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• 1[00:00:27] <JustTheDoctor> ok, ps -aux | grep "pandacoin" gives me a reply root 1643 25.2 67.3 5026868 2701280 ? SLsl 20:41 19:57 /usr/local/bin pandacoind --daemon <-- so the script in essense would do nothing,
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• 8[00:01:58] <ratrace> pgrep "pandacoind" && echo "it's aliiiiveee!"
• 9[00:02:02] <JustTheDoctor> im new to sh and this is something i need fast so, how would i make a sh script that when ran would check if the process is running if it is ignore it and if not execute it? (its going to be placed in a cron job so the path to the executeable would be /usr/local/bin/pandacoind and i needs --daemon after it
• 10[00:02:07] <JustTheDoctor> ok
• 11[00:02:21] <ratrace> pgrep "pandacoind" || echo "it doesn't exist, do something now!"
• 12[00:02:32] <trek00> OS-73114: it depends by your desktop environment, but you can probably add something to your autostart directory ~/.config/autostart
• 13[00:02:46] <JustTheDoctor> trek00 this is a vps in shell only.
• 14[00:03:02] <JustTheDoctor> I've having a issue where pandacoind runs as a daemon but alot of the time randomly stops
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• 16[00:03:22] <JustTheDoctor> so i want ot make a .sh that i can cron to every 2 hrs, to check is it running? if not run it
• 17[00:03:41] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: why not.... write a proper systemd unit that will (re)start it when it fails....
• 18[00:03:58] <JustTheDoctor> because i know even less about that
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• 20[00:04:58] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: well.. since you installed it from source or unpacked a tarball from its upstream, check if it already comes witha systemd unit applicable
• 21[00:05:18] <JustTheDoctor> no, pandacoind is something i compiled manually
• 22[00:05:31] <ratrace> you wrote it, or there's an upstream?
• 23[00:06:06] <trek00> JustTheDoctor: if you use systemd, it should restart it automatically?
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• 29[00:07:09] <trek00> SPF: check your logs: tail -f /var/log/syslog
• 30[00:07:16] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: so anyway, if you wrote that, or the upstream doesn't have a ready service unit you might use, perhaps this might help, write your own service unit: replaced-url
• 31[00:07:27] <kouett> petn-randall: still there ? made some progress, successfully loaded target_core_mod on a test rpi2 running Debian
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• 39[00:12:31] <LameName123> Hello everybody! Does anybody of you know how to make apt ask you which dependency you want to pick when there are any "or-dependencies"? Like when a package needs an email client, that it doesn't just pick one at random but asks me which one I want to install instead?
• 40[00:13:16] <LameName123> Would be great if somebody of you could help me out with that. Manually checking for those dependencies would be pretty annoying..
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• 42[00:15:10] <JustTheDoctor> if i type pgrep and a process name that isnt running does sh consider it a null reply?
• 43[00:16:07] <dvs> LameName123, I'd imagine that if you specify the package name when you do an apt install would do the right thing.
• 44[00:16:07] <trek00> LameName123: aptitute can help a bit, but it's not what you asked
• 45[00:16:57] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: dunno what "null reply" is, but pgreg will return "false"-like value that you can use with || to execute something in such context
• 46[00:17:04] <ratrace> pgrep even
• 47[00:17:55] <JustTheDoctor> for example i type pgrep thisapp and thisapp isnt running so i got
• 48[00:18:06] <JustTheDoctor> root@localhost:~# pgrep thisapp
• 49[00:18:06] <JustTheDoctor> root@localhost:~#
• 50[00:18:25] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: I think you need a lesson in shell basics and this ain't the place for that
• 51[00:18:28] <trek00> JustTheDoctor: try pgrep thisapp; echo $?
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• 53[00:18:54] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: meanwhile you can use, like I told you, the || operator to execute something if pgrep fails to find what you were looking for
• 54[00:19:09] <JustTheDoctor> ok thank you trek00
• 55[00:19:20] <scoopgracie> would it be safe to uninstall apt to reinstall from a downloaded deb?
• 56[00:19:35] <JustTheDoctor> ratrace so if i do pgrep pandacoind || pandacoind --daemon if it doesnt find pandacoind it will run pandacoind --daemon ?
• 57[00:19:47] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: yes
• 58[00:19:49] <dvs> scoopgracie, just upgrade
• 59[00:19:51] <JustTheDoctor> hmm
• 60[00:20:01] <ratrace> but REALLY... learn how to and write a systemd service unit to run your daemon
• 61[00:20:22] <ratrace> becaues this is a stupid hack and you're just making yourself a disservice and setting yourself up for more grief
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• 63[00:20:57] <JustTheDoctor> and with a sh and cron id have to do pgrep pandacoind || /usr/local/bin/pandacoind --daemon ?
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• 65[00:21:32] <ratrace> JustTheDoctor: I suppose so, but running services like that from the cron context is a bad idea
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• 68[00:25:17] <LameName123> dvs, Well, yeah. That would work but I'd much prefer if apt would ask me which package I want to install, if I can choose between multiple packages instead of just picking one without even asking me.
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• 70[00:26:45] <LameName123> trek00, well, if apt can't do that on its own and aptitude can, I would be willing to use aptitude instead. I just don't know how I'd do that. I couldn't really find something helpful in the man page..
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• 74[00:28:45] <trek00> LameName123: with aptitude, you select a package to install, then press 'g' key and it will shows the list of packges that will be installed automatically to met dependencies, then you can inspect each of those packages to find those with alternatives
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• 77[00:29:16] <trek00> LameName123: it's not fast as having apt to ask you about, but it's better than nothing
• 78[00:33:17] <scoopgracie> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 79[00:33:25] <scoopgracie> what does that mean?
• 80[00:33:53] <trek00> scoopgracie: may be a temporary error? try again in some minutes
• 81[00:33:56] <scoopgracie> i'm using crostini aka linux (beta) on a chromebook, i accidentally interrupted an upgrade of linux, and now i get this
• 82[00:34:10] <scoopgracie> started a few days ago and hasn't worked since
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• 88[00:37:25] <somiaj> scoopgracie: this is #debian, we only support debian, not things based or debian or other linux, maybe try ##linux
• 89[00:37:41] <scoopgracie> this is debian
• 90[00:37:49] <scoopgracie> just happens to be on a chromebook
• 91[00:37:59] <trek00> which version of debina?
• 92[00:38:11] <scoopgracie> stretch
• 93[00:38:26] <scoopgracie> with a partial update to buster
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• 95[00:38:46] <scoopgracie> which i have manually rolled back everywhere i can find refs to buster
• 96[00:38:47] <somiaj> scoopgracie: based off stretch is not stretch
• 97[00:38:51] <somiaj> !crostini
• 98[00:38:55] <somiaj> !based on debian
• 99[00:38:56] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 100[00:38:56] <sney> !frankendebian
• 101[00:39:46] <scoopgracie> what is a blend?
• 102[00:39:59] <somiaj> !pureblend
• 103[00:40:18] <sney> it's debian with a specific set of packages, not a derivative
• 104[00:40:26] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 106[00:40:51] <scoopgracie> this is debian with a few packages added by google
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• 108[00:40:55] <sney> I *think* debian runs natively on some chromebooks. I've been thinking about getting one to figure out if that's true
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• 111[00:41:38] <sney> anyway, broadly, if you started upgrading to buster then it's too late and your only way forward is to finish that process
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• 113[00:41:51] <sney> trying to downgrade or mix releases will only break things more
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• 115[00:42:47] <scoopgracie> but why is a partial upgrade making apt think the http responses are bad?
• 116[00:42:56] <scoopgracie> seems like a weird thing for it to break
• 117[00:43:16] <trek00> scoopgracie: may be some (ssl) libraries are not upgraded right?
• 118[00:43:21] <scoopgracie> oh
• 119[00:43:50] <SPF> trek00: I already checked /var/log/syslog, it contains a time gap when the problem happened, without any information
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• 121[00:44:14] <scoopgracie> in that case, finishing the upgrade would give the same errors
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• 123[00:44:40] <trek00> SPF: if the load was low and there was no I/O, then it could be an hardware issue
• 124[00:44:44] <scoopgracie> curl and wget work
• 125[00:45:03] <sney> back up /home and reinstall is my advice
• 126[00:45:06] <somiaj> scoopgracie: few packages is vague, often they modify core stuff, and it is no longer debian.
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• 128[00:45:21] <SPF> trek00: could be, how can I figure it out what piece of hardware is faulty?
• 129[00:45:42] <LameName123> trek00, Well, that's better but still not exactly what I was looking for.. It would be nice if there was some way that the package manager told me about the alternatives that I can choose from. If possible recursively as well.. Checking out every dependency is a pain.
• 130[00:45:42] <scoopgracie> sney: that's part of my problem, reinstalling is impossible
• 131[00:46:00] <sney> that seems unlikely
• 132[00:46:30] <ratrace> SPF: use ssh from another machine and observe dmesg -w in real time
• 133[00:46:33] <sney> but I guess I don't know the full scope of what it takes to run something other than chromeos on your specific chromebook. there are probably other channels that do
• 134[00:47:20] <trek00> LameName123: yeah i would like it too
• 135[00:47:34] <trek00> SPF: usually thanks to the logs
• 136[00:48:41] <trek00> scoopgracie: you could manually download apt and its dependencies and install those packages with dpkg, then try again to upgrade, but it's a long process
• 137[00:49:59] <LameName123> trek00, is there an official name for these "or-dependencies" that I coud use to get more meaningful search results?
• 138[00:50:57] <trek00> LameName123: i don't know, probably alternative dependencies but it is confusing as there is also the update-alternatives mechanism
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• 141[00:53:03] <LameName123> trek00, thank you for your help. I hope I can find something that way. :)
• 142[00:53:30] <trek00> LameName123: if you find it, please to tell me! :)
• 143[00:54:22] <LameName123> trek00, sure!
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• 149[01:04:41] <karlpinc> scoopgracie: Did you follow the instructions in the release notes when upgrading? If not, you might want to take a look at the instructions. There's a separate section on what to do if things go wrong as well.
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• 157[01:08:26] <somiaj> karlpinc: considering they are running a derivative, there could be other issues behind the sceens as well.
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• 183[01:41:12] <scoopgracie> i just though, i could powerwash my chromebook
• 184[01:41:23] <scoopgracie> but i don't want to lose my other data
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• 191[01:51:00] <karlpinc> somiaj: When I installed debian on my chromebook, via the "chromebook way", it installed stock debian stretch. And I since upgraded to buster, IIRC.
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• 194[01:54:48] <lwp> maybe some flavor of debian live could boot on that chromebook, for the purpose of copying out whatever valuable data
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• 221[02:24:55] <zazagx> does anyone know how to install the displaylink driver on debian 10? i can't install it properly
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• 233[02:49:25] <zazagx> geez i am stuck
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• 237[02:50:06] <trek00> zazagx: it prints some error messages?
• 238[02:50:44] <zazagx> Verifying archive integrity... 100% All good.
• 239[02:50:44] <zazagx> Uncompressing DisplayLink Linux Driver 5.2.14 100%
• 240[02:50:44] <zazagx> DisplayLink Linux Software 5.2.14 install script called: install
• 241[02:50:44] <zazagx> Distribution discovered: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
• 242[02:50:44] <zazagx> Unsatisfied dependencies. Missing component: Linux headers for running kernel, 4.19.0-8-amd64.
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• 245[02:50:53] <zazagx> sorry
• 246[02:51:31] <trek00> zazagx: i guess you already installer linux kernel headers package?
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• 251[02:52:47] <zazagx> yes
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• 253[02:54:03] <gZen0n> Hi, I'm looking for installing a Nextcloud server in a LXC container on buster, and I would like to install ffmpeg in order to enable sound file previews. Is there a way to do it while avoiding to install x11 ?
• 254[02:54:13] <trek00> zazagx: may be this help? replaced-url
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• 257[02:55:03] <zazagx> yeah i was already there
• 258[02:55:08] <trek00> :-/
• 259[02:55:57] <sponix> gZen0n: not sure about LXC, but odds are there are pre-made Docker containers to do what you are looking for
• 260[02:56:42] <zazagx> when i git clone the file
• 261[02:56:48] <zazagx> cd displaylink-debian/ && sudo ./displaylink-debian.sh
• 262[02:57:11] <zazagx> it says 'Can't open display'
• 263[02:57:13] <gZen0n> I know, but I'm exploring LXC, and this is what I want to use. Fact is that there is no real differences between a normal system or LXC, for this issue especially
• 264[02:58:16] <gZen0n> well, if it requires x11-common, that means entire x11 will be installed or not ?
• 265[02:59:09] <gZen0n> I don't remember how to call the bot to have the dependance list
• 266[02:59:27] <karlpinc> gZen0n: I don't see x11-common in ffmpeg requirements.
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• 268[02:59:44] <trek00> gZen0n: it will install x11 librearies, but not the full xorg server
• 269[02:59:51] <trek00> karlpinc: it's on libavdevice
• 270[02:59:52] <karlpinc> gZen0n: x11-common is not all of x11.
• 271[02:59:52] <gZen0n> ok nice
• 272[03:00:03] <gZen0n> ThanKS
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• 274[03:01:44] <gZen0n> And do you know if there is a libreoffice version without x too ?
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• 276[03:01:47] <trek00> zazagx: try setting DISPLAY
• 277[03:02:06] <trek00> zazagx: it runs xrandr that needs to connect to an Xserver
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• 280[03:02:29] <trek00> gZen0n: i don't think but may be you can use uno for those tasks
• 281[03:03:08] <gZen0n> Nextcloud documentation says it needs libreoffice or openoffice only... (ofc it's optionnal)
• 282[03:04:00] <trek00> gZen0n: well you can try to apt-get -s libreoffice to see how much space it will take
• 283[03:04:10] <trek00> apt-get install -s libreoffice
• 284[03:04:16] <trek00> (simulate an install)
• 285[03:04:17] <zazagx> you mean the DISPLAY application preinstalled in Debian?
• 286[03:04:40] <trek00> zazagx: no, the DISPLAY environment variable
• 287[03:04:55] <trek00> zazagx: type as user: echo $DISPLAY
• 288[03:06:03] <zazagx> :0
• 289[03:06:11] <zazagx> thats what i got
• 290[03:06:13] <trek00> zazagx: or better, sudo sh -c "DISPLAY=$DISPLAY ./displaylink-debian.sh"
• 291[03:06:47] <gZen0n> well, it adds x11-utils, but no desktop environment apparently
• 292[03:07:11] <gZen0n> I didn't expect this
• 293[03:07:26] <trek00> gZen0n: it's good, right?
• 294[03:08:14] <gZen0n> Think so, there are many useless dependancies, but it seems reasonably fit...
• 295[03:09:06] <gZen0n> (btw, I'm discovering LXC, and it's really great to test things like it without completely pollute a server !)
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• 297[03:09:12] <trek00> gZen0n: libreoffice is big anyway
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• 300[03:09:41] <zazagx> i got the same error "Can't open display"
• 301[03:09:59] <gZen0n> yes 1GB
• 302[03:10:57] <gZen0n> java is the biggest part I think, and it's not needed there but aw
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• 304[03:11:07] <trek00> zazagx: well may be you need also to set XAUTORITY
• 305[03:12:09] <trek00> zazagx: sh -c "DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY ./displaylink-debian.sh"
• 306[03:12:30] <trek00> zazagx: are you running from X?
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• 308[03:12:47] <zazagx> KDE Wayland
• 309[03:13:19] <zazagx> oh maybe thats why
• 310[03:13:25] <trek00> zazagx: well, may be you need to open the X-to-wayland thing
• 311[03:13:33] <trek00> zazagx: i don't know wayland
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• 313[03:14:07] <trek00> Xwayland
• 314[03:14:30] <zazagx> isn't the default install if debian 10 the wayland instead of X11?
• 315[03:14:40] <trek00> then run a terminal inside Xwayland and try from it
• 316[03:14:53] <trek00> zazagx: yeah but i really don't know it, i don't use it
• 317[03:15:08] <trek00> i'm trying to gues
• 318[03:15:10] <zazagx> ah, i am not sure how to do that
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• 320[03:15:50] <trek00> zazagx: it seems this displaylink driver works with Xorg
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• 322[03:16:40] <zazagx> ohh
• 323[03:17:09] <zazagx> it says i already have xorg already installed in my software center
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• 325[03:18:28] <trek00> zazagx: it seems it will work with the next release of gnome, i don't know about kde replaced-url
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• 327[03:20:03] <trek00> gZen0n: well you can not install java, try with apt-get install --no-install-recommends -s libreoffice
• 328[03:20:18] <zazagx> ah crap
• 329[03:20:24] <lunaa> Hello debian folk. I'm running into a weird error I don't understand how to resolve... "Couldn't clean the currently selected dpkg states"
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• 331[03:21:45] <gZen0n> meh, i didn't see the little line about recommended in the middle of the full list
• 332[03:21:49] <gZen0n> thank you
• 333[03:21:53] <sney> lunaa: what's the context? can you pastebin apt/dpkg's full output?
• 334[03:21:57] <trek00> lunaa: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
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• 337[03:22:40] <trek00> zazagx: may be you need to run Xorg instead of Wayland
• 338[03:23:08] <trek00> gZen0n: :)
• 339[03:23:20] <zazagx> yeah i am trying to figure it out
• 340[03:24:04] <gZen0n> it's just 500MB now, my df -h thanks you
• 341[03:24:06] <zazagx> crap looks like i need to use gnome
• 342[03:24:21] <zazagx> lame
• 343[03:24:42] <trek00> zazagx: that version of gnome is not yet available on debian stable
• 344[03:24:50] <zazagx> oh
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• 348[03:25:05] <trek00> zazagx: may be on the login screen you get this config option? replaced-url
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• 350[03:25:36] <zazagx> hmmm
• 351[03:25:40] <zazagx> let me try
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• 354[03:29:13] <trek00> gZen0n: i always disable recommends, but be aware that something could not run properly
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• 356[03:29:44] <sney> !why recommends
• 357[03:29:44] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality.
• 358[03:30:06] <sney> ^ this is the official word on that, ofc if you're experienced you can do whatever
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• 361[03:31:08] <trek00> yeah, sometimes it's harder to debug and to find which package you need to install if disable recommends
• 362[03:31:22] <gZen0n> I will see, if I experienced issues while previewing files, I'll know where it comes from
• 363[03:31:30] <trek00> right
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• 365[03:31:59] <lunaa> trek00: Thank you that worked, it appears. What does command do?
• 366[03:32:12] <lunaa> Wait, I could read the man page...
• 367[03:32:39] <trek00> lunaa: probably some packages was not configured properly (a break during install?)
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• 597[08:38:21] <oxek> When I install a new package that contains a systemd service, the service immedially starts up after installation. How do I prevent this behavior?
• 598[08:38:33] <oxek> I'd like to be able to configure the service before it starts up for the first time.
• 599[08:39:11] <somiaj> There isn't an easy way, why can't you just stop it after the install, configure, then bring it back up
• 600[08:39:43] <oxek> somiaj: because the service starts making network connections that do not adhere to company policy :(
• 601[08:39:45] <somiaj> You could pre-mask the package, I think if you create a link in /etc/systemd/system/unitname.service -> /dev/null it will keep it from comming up
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• 603[08:40:12] <somiaj> oxek: a firewall could stop that, but I don't know of any policy.
• 604[08:40:39] <somiaj> Another option, manually download the .deb, unpack the .deb, go edit the install script in /var/lib/dpkg/info and comment out the line that starts the service, then configure the package.
• 605[08:40:48] <somiaj> (apt can --download-only the .deb for you)
• 606[08:41:17] <oxek> somiaj: I think any firewall on linux that is able to stop outgoing connections. The idea with masking the service sounds interesting, I'll check it out, but it seems to require knowing the service name beforehand.
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• 608[08:41:55] <somiaj> I've seen this question a few times, and outside of editing the package before install, I don't think debian has any nice way to achive this. Debian basically assumes if you install a service you want to run it.
• 609[08:42:17] <oxek> yes, I want to run the service, after configuring it not before :)
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• 612[08:42:45] <somiaj> There useto be a policy-rc.d, but I don't think this has been adapted for use with systemd (or if it has, I am not aware of it)
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• 614[08:43:31] <oxek> I'll go check the pre-masking, sounds like something that could be automated
• 615[08:43:35] <oxek> thanks!
• 616[08:44:35] <miskatonic> a very stupid assumption is that you want to run it at boot time
• 617[08:44:43] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 618[08:45:20] <oxek> somiaj: I found this replaced-url
• 619[08:45:47] <somiaj> miskatonic: It totally depends on the use case, and I think debian would have to deal with more issues if they didn't start/enable services at install, than let the admins have a way to override. policy-rc.d use to do this, but haven't found any decent way with systemd.
• 620[08:45:50] <oxek> would `echo "disable *" > /etc/systemd/system-preset/00-default.preset` do what I want?
• 621[08:46:17] <oxek> I can't see if it applies to all services, or only newly installed services
• 622[08:46:20] <somiaj> oxek: I personally haven't tried any of these, maybe use some test case with a service you know won't connect to the inetnert when you load it, such as ngnix or sshd.
• 623[08:46:53] <somiaj> oxek: but enabling/disabling won't affect running at install, this is something else
• 624[08:47:02] <somiaj> oxek: that will affect miskatonic point of running at boot
• 625[08:48:12] <somiaj> This question comes up time to time, and I have never seen a decent answer in my mind for all services, but premasking should work for specific services.
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• 627[08:50:13] <oxek> from the link you posted, it says "The deb-systemd-invoke script does check to see if the unit is disabled before taking action on it"
• 628[08:50:26] <oxek> doesn't that mean that if I have `echo "disable *" > /etc/systemd/system-preset/00-default.preset` then it would not start it?
• 629[08:50:50] <oxek> I am new and I am trying to learn, so please bear with me if I say something stupid
• 630[08:51:24] <somiaj> oxek: hmm, then maybe, do note that is ubuntu (which is probably similar), as I said I don't know forsure, but if the that works, I think that is the best solution I've seen so far.
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• 632[08:51:49] <oxek> I'll test it out in a vm
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• 634[08:53:57] <somiaj> and if that does work, I wonder if this is documented somewhere.
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• 636[08:54:33] <oxek> well it kind of is documented at the page I linked though it is not very clear replaced-url
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• 638[08:56:05] <somiaj> well I mean in debian and how debian install scripts start/stop (so including the statement that debin install scripts should not start services if the default is disabled)
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• 688[09:54:59] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
• 689[09:55:06] <rocketmagnet> i've a problem with blender 2.8
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• 691[09:55:50] <rocketmagnet> there is a short cut that have me press alt+leftmouse but it's not working, when i set the shortcut to another key it's working
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• 693[09:56:04] <rocketmagnet> i tried to disable most of the short cuts but it still doesn't work
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• 696[09:57:51] <daniel-s> Is there something like Synaptic, but based on ncurses that can be used from the shell?
• 697[09:58:09] <jmcnaught> aptitude
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• 708[10:08:16] <miskatonic> aptitude is cool. it does not require policykit, unlice synaptic
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• 710[10:09:16] <jmcnaught> aptitude search is great
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• 723[10:25:13] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
• 724[10:25:30] <rocketmagnet> i've troubles with blender 2.8 and loop select
• 725[10:25:51] <rocketmagnet> the alt key seems to be used by something else
• 726[10:26:03] <rocketmagnet> i'm using debian 10 with lightdm
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• 733[10:30:37] <miskatonic> which window manager does rockmagnet use?
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• 745[10:44:17] <rocketmagnet> lightdm
• 746[10:44:30] <rocketmagnet> miskatonic: ^
• 747[10:44:40] <rocketmagnet> i think i'm using mate
• 748[10:45:42] <miskatonic> i don;'t know how to change the defauilrt hotkeys of mate. Many other wms allow to use the windows key instead of alt
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• 751[10:46:14] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: lightdm is a display manager though, not a window manager. I think what miskatonic might be getting at, is that in quite a few window managers, alt is generally the global hotkey for holding while clicking anywhere on a window to move it
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• 753[10:46:48] <rocketmagnet> i tried to change all windows shortcuts but the problem still remains
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• 758[10:48:59] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: Silly question (I haven't used Blender in quite a while: to loop-select, do you hold alt and then right-click on an edge?
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• 760[10:49:13] <rocketmagnet> UrielCorinthian: yes
• 761[10:49:40] <rocketmagnet> the blender 2.8 version is awesome
• 762[10:50:03] <rocketmagnet> but i've this stupid problem
• 763[10:50:20] <UrielCorinthian> And does it simply not work, or does something else happen when you try to do that?
• 764[10:50:22] <brutser> i got a problem with acpi on an old laptop, first of all i had this problem as described here: replaced-url
• 765[10:50:40] <rocketmagnet> UrielCorinthian: it just don't work
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• 768[10:51:04] <rocketmagnet> when i change the short cut to shift it's working but that's messing up other shortcuts
• 769[10:51:21] <miskatonic> alt-tab for switching windows focus is another common operation in many window managers
• 770[10:51:38] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: If you hold down alt, right click and move the mouse in another window (not Blender) - does it resize your window?
• 771[10:52:04] <brutser> in general acpi is giving issues as I am running conky and it's not showing accurate results for different acpi readings
• 772[10:52:18] <brutser> anyone can help me?
• 773[10:52:41] <rocketmagnet> as soon as i move the mouse with alt clicked the blender window gets resized
• 774[10:52:52] <rocketmagnet> and i can move it
• 775[10:53:10] <rocketmagnet> can you help me with this issue ?
• 776[10:54:24] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: Ah, yeah so that's the standard behaviour of alt in a lot of window managers. I'm not familiar enough with Mate to know where to disable that though... Give me a minute
• 777[10:54:42] <rocketmagnet> thank you alot
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• 779[10:55:52] <rocketmagnet> you can also de-activate that shortcut altogether, i don't need that shortcut
• 780[10:56:39] <miskatonic> as mate is a derivative of old incarnations of gnome, i suppose that something like a control centre.
• 781[10:57:37] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: There seems to be a very simple roundabout: you haven't set the Super/Windows key to be a shortcut for anything, have you?
• 782[10:57:41] <rocketmagnet> i just found under settings a setting to set the keyboard shortcuts, but i deactivated them all and it's still working
• 783[10:57:57] <rocketmagnet> no
• 784[10:58:37] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: Just try this: leave all shortcut keys at default, then, when you need to alt-click/alt-right-click, just ALSO hold the Windows key/Super key in addition to alt-clicking and see if that works
• 785[10:59:49] <rocketmagnet> yes, but it also works without pressing the windows key
• 786[11:00:20] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: How now? What works without pressing the windows key?
• 787[11:00:41] <rocketmagnet> pressing alt and clicking the window and moving the mouse
• 788[11:01:07] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: Loop-select works now after you've deactivated keyboard shortcuts?
• 789[11:01:28] <rocketmagnet> no
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• 791[11:01:48] <miskatonic> uriel just wanted you to test whether the windows key is already bound to some action. This seems not to be the case.
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• 793[11:02:06] <UrielCorinthian> So using Windows+alt+right-click does not work, rocketmagnet?
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• 795[11:02:39] <rocketmagnet> yes it does
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• 798[11:02:56] <rocketmagnet> it dones't matter if i hit the windows key or not
• 799[11:03:23] <rocketmagnet> and in no one of the shortcuts i see a shortcut that involves the mouse
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• 801[11:03:45] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: When you say, "It works," I'm confused by what you mean. What works? Because you say you still can't loop-select...
• 802[11:04:14] <rocketmagnet> it works i mean the window movement works but the loop select doesn't
• 803[11:04:42] <rocketmagnet> and none of the shortcuts show me a shortcut that involves the mouse
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• 805[11:05:47] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: Okay, that's confusing :) The window movement is your problem, so don't say "It works" :)
• 806[11:06:02] <rocketmagnet> k
• 807[11:06:25] <rocketmagnet> sorry for that
• 808[11:06:30] <UrielCorinthian> So in summary - holding down Windows key, then pressing alt and clicking actually doesn't change anything to the behaviour? It does the same as before?
• 809[11:06:46] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: No worries. I was just getting very confused :)
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• 812[11:06:56] <rocketmagnet> UrielCorinthian: yes
• 813[11:07:36] <rocketmagnet> there must be another tool to setup the shortcuts than the default one that is installed with mate
• 814[11:08:41] <miskatonic> i've read about something called dconf editor change defaukts on marco
• 815[11:09:12] <UrielCorinthian> miskatonic: Yeah, was just about to ask rocketmagnet to check if that's available on Mate :)
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• 817[11:09:44] <UrielCorinthian> rocketmagnet: If you type dconf-editor in a terminal, does it run?
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• 819[11:11:32] <miskatonic> according to aptitue, it is a receommended extra to mate-deskto-environnment
• 820[11:12:02] <miskatonic> err mate-desktop-environment
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• 825[11:13:06] * UrielCorinthian has to run some errands for now
• 826[11:13:14] <UrielCorinthian> I'll be back in a bit :)
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• 835[11:20:09] <miskatonic> err mate-desktop-environment-extras . these exreas are not even suggested by mate-desktop-environment, for whatever reason, means they are not included in the standard install of mate desktop
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• 837[11:21:39] <rocketmagnet> i found mate-keyboard-properties and there is a setting where i can switch the windows and the alt key but it doesn't work
• 838[11:21:47] <rocketmagnet> UrielCorinthian: miskatonic ^
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• 844[11:27:01] <rocketmagnet> but alt-tab isn't working anymore
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• 846[11:27:17] <rocketmagnet> there must be a specific setting to turn this off
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• 849[11:32:37] <rocketmagnet> i try a reboot and brb
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• 852[11:34:04] <rocketmagnet> back
• 853[11:34:39] <miskatonic> ok, can you cyclew windows with the windows key + tab instead of alt + tab?
• 854[11:35:02] <rocketmagnet> but still not working, i can now use the windows key to move the window also with leftclick but i still can use alt+leftmouse to move a window *ARGH*
• 855[11:35:43] <miskatonic> seems you need to change the hotkeys one by one
• 856[11:38:07] <rocketmagnet> there is no hotkey setting for this
• 857[11:38:32] <rocketmagnet> there are settings like "Behaviour of the alt/windows key"
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• 859[11:40:13] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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• 889[12:20:07] <rocketmagnet> Manouchehri: do you found anything ?
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• 891[12:23:44] <_abc_> How does one upgrade libreoffice using aptitude in stretch?
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• 893[12:24:17] <_abc_> I see dozens of packages installed related to libreoffice, when I try to upgrade one of them manually, I get a lot of broken deps, and no solution seems to cover all of the needed upgrades.
• 894[12:24:30] <_abc_> What is the "head" or virtual top package called for libreoffice?
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• 896[12:25:36] <ratrace> !xy
• 897[12:25:36] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 898[12:25:52] <_abc_> what?!
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• 900[12:25:57] <_abc_> I want to upgrade libreoffice.
• 901[12:26:11] <_abc_> Upgrades are available and shown in each package's deails.
• 902[12:26:13] <_abc_> +t
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• 904[12:26:42] <ratrace> and running just `apt upgrade` is wrong because?
• 905[12:27:38] <ratrace> keep in mind that debian is not really designed for cherry picking upgrades. it's a whole, integrated experience, with upgrades to one package mindful of upgrades to dependencies and reverse dependencies
• 906[12:28:02] <_abc_> I have no intention to upgrade everything. I have the intention to upgrade exactly libreoffice.
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• 908[12:28:21] <_abc_> And I am using aptitude for this.
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• 916[12:34:19] <_abc_> I do not see libreoffice-style-galaxy 1.6.1.5-3 in the repo, this breaks upgrading libreoffice-common to 1.6.1.5-3
• 917[12:34:36] <_abc_> The latter is in the repo. Please can someone look if it is in the repo somewhere?
• 918[12:34:44] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
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• 920[12:34:58] <ratrace> _abc_: there's a "trick" with apt(-get): replaced-url
• 921[12:35:04] <rocketmagnet> i'm using debian 10 and blender 2.8 and i'm not able to loop-select
• 922[12:35:17] <ratrace> _abc_: and the virt package you were asking about is, I think, "libreoffice"
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• 924[12:35:19] <rocketmagnet> i'm using mate
• 925[12:35:41] <rocketmagnet> was anybody able to clear this issue ??
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• 931[12:39:42] <trek00> rocketmagnet: i think you could ask on some blender channel, if it don't print any error
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• 937[12:42:42] <_abc_> ratrace: "libreoffice" was the correct answer. Thanks.
• 938[12:42:58] <_abc_> Also why don't they tell you aptitude search window does some regexps?
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• 974[13:07:46] <_abc_> in the search window: word$ finds word with line ending at $
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• 979[13:09:23] <_abc_> right so libreoffice "gui" search has regexps, ^ $ .* etc work as expected, ARE constructs like {3,} do not work right
• 980[13:10:01] <_abc_> The words regular expression do not appear in man aptitude. Fail.
• 981[13:10:07] <_abc_> Thanks for the attention, moving on.
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• 1012[13:38:50] <marcov500> i have a i945 chipset, i am wondering if the following installed packages are relevant to me (stable) - 'i965-va-driver' and 'intel-media-va-driver'
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• 1017[13:40:23] <oxek> somiaj: unfortunately, the article I linked does not do what I want it to do. Premasking is the only way then.
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• 1020[13:40:47] <oxek> doesn't feel right
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• 1022[13:42:23] <UrielCorinthian> Hey rocketmagnet - I see you still haven't figured it out... Perhaps a dedicated Mate channel would be more capable of assisting? I definitely don't know enough about it
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• 1028[13:50:00] <marcov500> it looks like i dont need either package i mentioned, never mind then...one other thing, during install i noticed 'possible missing firmware' messages related to 'i915', i dont know if i 'need' to install non-free firmware
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• 1242[17:35:33] <brutser> how do i correctly install a .deb file?
• 1243[17:35:42] <brutser> for example the one from veracrypt
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• 1245[17:35:50] <brutser> they have a .deb file for deb 10
• 1246[17:36:05] <badsektor> brutser, i think it is dpkg -i file.deb
• 1247[17:36:17] <wwilliam> How do i install tor in debian10
• 1248[17:36:19] <wwilliam> !tor
• 1249[17:36:19] <dpkg> The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (replaced-url
• 1250[17:36:31] <brutser> dpkg -i file.deb does not really work, it is missing dependencies
• 1251[17:36:31] * dpkg installs file.deb does not really work, it is missing dependencies into brutser's head with a bone saw and a few screws
• 1252[17:36:49] <brutser> ouch
• 1253[17:36:56] <wwilliam> apt-get install -f
• 1254[17:36:59] <badsektor> brutser, try this: sudp apt --fix-broken install
• 1255[17:37:13] <badsektor> oh ya, his is better
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• 1258[17:37:45] <brutser> wwilliam: says: couldn't find package by glob 'veracrypt...
• 1259[17:38:04] <brutser> ok
• 1260[17:38:08] <brutser> need full path
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• 1264[17:45:20] <wsky> have anyone got a clue why dislocker segfaults while trying to open a bitlocker device?
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• 1267[17:47:37] <WoC> anyone have a working example using qemubuilder ?
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• 1269[17:48:32] <jrtc27> are you sure you want qemubuilder?
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• 1271[17:48:53] <jrtc27> and not a normal chroot with qemu-user
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• 1279[17:56:19] <LtL> brutser: apt install ./debfile will should dependencies , needs internet access however.
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• 1281[17:58:07] <LtL> s/should/solve
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• 1283[17:58:36] <nickgaw> Hi, Does anyone here know how to use simple-cdd or another tool to make a custom debian installation disc with the accessibility settings on the mate desktop as well as build-essential and debian development packages on the disc?
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• 1287[18:02:26] <diogenes_> nickgaw, i used to create custom Debian live ISOs by editing the existent ones with all the needed packages pre-installed if that's wvat you need?
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• 1289[18:03:03] <nickgaw> Could that live disc later be installed as a full system?
• 1290[18:03:19] <diogenes_> of course.
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• 1292[18:04:16] <nickgaw> Did you mainly mess with the live disc or just the install only one as I would think the live one would be more work?
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• 1295[18:06:27] <diogenes_> nickgaw, i like the live ones because you can boot directly into the live session with all the settings and applications already pre-installed and do all the things you need without installing the system but with the option to install too.
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• 1297[18:07:23] <nickgaw> Yes but customizing a live image is that more work then just an installation image?
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• 1301[18:08:22] <diogenes_> it's the same process with minor differences.
• 1302[18:09:09] <nickgaw> In order to install this live system do you have to reboot into the installer or can you install right from the live system?
• 1303[18:10:02] <diogenes_> there is the installer shortcut on the desktop.
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• 1305[18:10:17] <diogenes_> no need to reboot.
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• 1308[18:11:42] <nickgaw> I will have to take a look at it do you happen to know if the live discs have any screen readers in them as I am totally blind and also my network devices require firmware so do they make live discs with that included?
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• 1311[18:13:45] <diogenes_> not sure, mayne the gnome one has orca screen reader.
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• 1314[18:14:54] <nickgaw> ok that is good to know can you do things like go to a console and install software into the ram disc and does the disc need to be in the drive all of the time to use the live disc or once it is booted can it be removed?
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• 1318[18:16:46] <diogenes_> not sure about that one.
• 1319[18:17:29] <nickgaw> Do they make a live CD or just DVD?
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• 1324[18:20:09] <diogenes_> there are CDs too but i see only the xfce one.
• 1325[18:20:51] <nickgaw> What about bluerays any live ones?
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• 1328[18:22:50] <diogenes_> you can check all the available options here: replaced-url
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• 1338[18:31:41] <karlpinc> nickgaw: The thing about the live cds is that the work like regular debian installations -- you can install additional software. Whether it stays installed after reboot depends on how you set things up.
• 1339[18:32:38] <karlpinc> nickgaw: Unless you're offline there's usually no need to have large amounts of software on dvd and such. You download only what you need from the net.
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• 1341[18:35:22] <nickgaw> Is blueray the largest types of discs like how much they can hold?
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• 1343[18:36:58] <joepublic> The way I think about it is that they hold not as much as many usb sticks
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• 1345[18:37:12] <joepublic> I am thinking burnable blu rays are 25gb
• 1346[18:37:22] <nickgaw> yes they are
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• 1348[18:38:12] <joepublic> they also come in dual layer 50gb version
• 1349[18:38:21] <nickgaw> the DL hold 50 and the XL hold 120 GB but I can not find them why is this?
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• 1351[18:38:50] <joepublic> amazon.com has them.
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• 1353[18:39:07] <joepublic> you probably can't find them locally because no one uses them, refer to usb stick explanation above
• 1354[18:40:12] <nickgaw> That is what I meant locally so you are saying check Amazon for them I like media as I can hear what it is doing where as an USB drive you hear nothing.
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• 1356[18:40:46] <badsektor> debian 10 doesn't seem to have pinta, the simple paint program. so what is an alternative?
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• 1361[18:41:13] <badsektor> wha is wrong with pinta, why is it no more on debian?
• 1362[18:41:15] <ratrace> badsektor: gimp?
• 1363[18:41:24] <ratrace> Krita is available also, via snaps
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• 1365[18:41:55] <badsektor> let me try gimp, it is scary complicated though, i need something simple
• 1366[18:42:21] <ratrace> bug #877106
• 1367[18:42:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1368[18:42:31] <ratrace> that's why it was dropped
• 1369[18:42:43] <badsektor> oh i see, so its developers not fixing it
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• 1371[18:43:00] <badsektor> thanks ratrace
• 1372[18:43:38] <ratrace> gimp is not more complicated for the same function set you wanted from pinta. there's a toolbar on the lft and that's about it. no need to delve into complex filtres if you don't want them
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• 1376[18:47:14] <badsektor> ratrace, yeah it looks like i can use this, thanks a lot
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• 1379[18:50:14] <ratrace> nae bother
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• 1430[19:39:07] <jaami> where do i go to look for help about "One more step" authentication required. ?
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• 1433[19:42:02] <WoC> jaami, for nickserv ?
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• 1435[19:42:54] <jaami> WoC, how nickserv can help?
• 1436[19:43:11] <jaami> what do you mean
• 1437[19:43:25] <WoC> <jaami> where do i go to look for help about "One more step" authentication required. ?
• 1438[19:43:34] <annadane> jaami, be more detailed in your question
• 1439[19:43:37] <annadane> authentication for what?
• 1440[19:43:37] <WoC> Was trying to decode your question
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• 1442[19:44:23] <jaami> oh, ok. actually, i dont know where is the problem. OS, Browser or what?
• 1443[19:44:38] <annadane> what is your goal?
• 1444[19:45:00] <annadane> we're just not certain what you're asking about
• 1445[19:45:22] <jaami> any browser i use and visit any site i get the "One more step" page that ask me to complete google captcha
• 1446[19:45:38] <diogenes_> jaami, screenshot.
• 1447[19:45:40] <annadane> are you on tor?
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• 1449[19:45:48] <jaami> no i am not on tor
• 1450[19:45:58] <EdePopede> dialup or new ip?
• 1451[19:45:58] <annadane> listen to diogenes_
• 1452[19:46:03] <WoC> jaami, you may want to contact your isp
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• 1454[19:46:05] <jaami> i thought tor was the issue but i am using direct connection
• 1455[19:46:19] <jaami> oh, is that ISP the issue
• 1456[19:46:35] <jaami> please tell me what to ask him about?
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• 1458[19:46:40] <WoC> probably, or proxy if you have a proxy service
• 1459[19:46:53] <jaami> i use no proxy server.
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• 1462[19:47:25] <jaami> techinically what is the name of this problem?
• 1463[19:48:10] <WoC> Good question, call them, +92 321 2436141
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• 1466[19:50:52] <jaami> WoC, i saved the number. really, i think those guys are totally nuts. they took almost a week just to detect defective wire. and they are very much non technical ppl
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• 1468[19:51:49] <jaami> but i will call them in the morning
• 1469[19:52:45] <jaami> i use cable net.
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• 1482[20:00:16] <jaami> i tried 3 different imagebin sites and all of them asked me same "One more step"
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• 1484[20:00:42] <jaami> i am sorry i cannot upload screenshot
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• 1488[20:01:47] <rockcavera> I am trying to permanently change the mtu of my connection, but I am not succeeding. This command changes, but after it shuts down or restarts the computer it returns to normal: ip link set dev wlp3s0 mtu 1492
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• 1492[20:02:23] <rockcavera> i need the mtu in 1492 to work properly my ipv6
• 1493[20:02:33] <petn-randall> rockcavera: Set it in your network-manager.
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• 1496[20:03:05] <rockcavera> petn-randall i am using debian 10, gnome
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• 1498[20:04:15] <petn-randall> rockcavera: You can set the MTU in the network configuration.
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• 1501[20:04:52] <petn-randall> rockcavera: It's under "Identity" in the network settings.
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• 1503[20:06:20] <rockcavera> petn-randall this option is only available for wired network here. No wi-fi
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• 1506[20:08:46] <rockcavera> replaced-url
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• 1508[20:09:36] <petn-randall> rockcavera: It seems like this is a known bug. See replaced-url
• 1509[20:09:43] <petn-randall> There's also the solution for it.
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• 1531[20:26:40] <sillyslux_> i was suggested not to download stuff and unpack in /usr/local
• 1532[20:26:46] <sillyslux_> node.js in this case
• 1533[20:26:56] <sillyslux_> what were the reasons for not doing this?
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• 1542[20:30:53] <somiaj> sillyslux_: putting third party stuff in /usr/local is just fine, and node.js is one of the things that is often better to get from upstream due to its rappid development.
• 1543[20:31:27] <edman007> Hey, so I'm trying to get hardware ffmpeg decoding working on my new build, I'm running buster, and have an Athlon 3000G CPU which has the VEGA3 GPU? Anyways, when I boot I don't have KMS, I can't get X working, and /dev/dri does not exist
• 1544[20:31:28] <somiaj> sillyslux_: though depending on how node.js is setup (I don't use it so unsure), sometimes people like /opt for stuff that is self contained and doens't split up in the standard FHS
• 1545[20:31:41] <sillyslux_> that's what i though, but then somebody said i shouldn't be doing this :/
• 1546[20:31:54] <edman007> is my hardware too new or do I have to do something? the wiki says it just works in buster...which it doesn't
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• 1548[20:32:03] <somiaj> sillyslux_: unsure why, now if you also install node.js from debian, you will conflict.
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• 1550[20:32:25] <somiaj> edman007: dmesg | grep -i firmware, some amd gpu's take firmware to load. If it is too new you can try the firmware and kernel from backports
• 1551[20:32:26] <sillyslux_> yes
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• 1553[20:33:06] <sillyslux_> /opt and then link the binaries to /usr/local/bin?
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• 1555[20:33:29] <sillyslux_> ah well, unpack in /usr/local just works and i'm fine with that, ty
• 1556[20:33:33] <edman007> somiaj, nothing in there at all about my GPU, no errors, no success
• 1557[20:33:34] <somiaj> sillyslux_: at some level this is an admin decision.
• 1558[20:33:51] <sillyslux_> ok
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• 1560[20:34:17] <somiaj> edman007: I don't know the card you are using, but if you search google does it say what kernel support for that gpu is added?
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• 1563[20:36:21] <somiaj> edman007: not finding any exact version numbers, but see people having success with newer ubuntu, you might want to try to get the kernel and the firwamre-amd-graphics from buster-backports and see if that improves things
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• 1565[20:36:38] <edman007> alright, I'll try that
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• 1568[20:38:50] <Kobaz> soooooo i had really long delays getting 'su' to actuall start a shell, and really long delays when trying to ssh to this machine... i "fixed" it by removing 'systemd' from /etc/nssswitch... what could be the culprit here?
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• 1574[20:42:39] <generic> I'm having problems with the wifi-drivers for intel i'm running sid on a notebook that serves as a wifi ap. However i got some messages in the kernel log after some hours
• 1575[20:42:54] <generic> So I thought maybe a hardware issue
• 1576[20:43:07] <generic> & tried another notebook
• 1577[20:43:22] <somiaj> wifi often requires non-free firwamre, so for intel wifi, firmware-iwlwifi is the package name in non-free
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• 1579[20:43:31] <somiaj> also sid questions should be asked on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 1580[20:43:33] <generic> i have the firmware
• 1581[20:43:51] <generic> problem is that sometimes the whole kernel module crashes
• 1582[20:44:02] <generic> and the interface disappears completely
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• 1586[20:46:36] <generic> and the hardware isn't the issue because a second notebook did the same
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• 1591[20:49:29] <annadane> anyone know off hand what the mouse themes are from kde, the package name?
• 1592[20:50:03] <generic> somiaj: says microcode sw error detected
• 1593[20:51:53] <annadane> never mind, think i found it, it's oxygen-cursors
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• 1595[20:52:08] <annadane> oxygencursors*
• 1596[20:52:19] <abrotman> doxygencursors?
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• 1602[20:54:09] <annadane> though it says "originally created for kde 4"
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• 1604[20:54:16] <annadane> i wonder if there's a separate thing for kde 5
• 1605[20:55:40] <Kobaz> any takers on my weird systemd issue?
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• 1615[21:09:26] <jmcnaught> Kobaz: was there anything in the system journal when those delays happened?
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• 1679[22:10:17] <karlpinc> Kobaz: What is a "really long delay"? 3 hours? 3 months?
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• 1684[22:13:02] <m0rd3cai> Hopefully someone can shed some light for me. Im trying to block a domain using iptables but it seems to not work. I may have the command wrong.
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• 1686[22:13:24] <m0rd3cai> iptables -A OUTPUT -s domain.com -j logdrop
• 1687[22:13:59] <LtL> m0rd3cai: you need an IP
• 1688[22:14:02] <m0rd3cai> Which from my understanding should block outbound requests for domain.com but each time im still able to access and ping the domain
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• 1690[22:14:11] <m0rd3cai> Ltl so it doesnt like domain names?
• 1691[22:15:01] <LtL> m0rd3cai: no, try 'host domain.com' use that IP
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• 1694[22:16:13] <LtL> m0rd3cai: I'm not aware of logdrop, -j DROP will work
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• 1696[22:16:27] <m0rd3cai> oh ok that makes alot of sense. essentially this would be useless for say facebook.com which has god knows how many public ip's.
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• 1698[22:16:40] <LtL> m0rd3cai: indeed
• 1699[22:17:02] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: As long as your fussing, might want to use nftables instead of iptables.
• 1700[22:17:13] <m0rd3cai> LtL: yea i tried both out of desperation. cool well that does make alot more sense now.
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• 1702[22:17:27] <m0rd3cai> Never heard of nftables. ill have to look into that, thanks
• 1703[22:17:40] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: nftables is the replacement for iptables.
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• 1706[22:18:32] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: (nftables is _way_ easier to read/write than iptables, IMO.)
• 1707[22:18:38] <m0rd3cai> sounds like nftables can handle domain naes?
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• 1709[22:19:27] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: I don't know. Using names instead of ip numbers is really only good if the names are names you control. Otherwise the number can change out from under the name at any time.
• 1710[22:19:57] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: Any any packet filter is only going to look the names up once, at startup.
• 1711[22:20:59] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: Using names can be very handy, but extreme care is required.
• 1712[22:21:33] <m0rd3cai> ok.. I see where your going with that. yea your definitely right about that karlpinc
• 1713[22:22:13] <karlpinc> m0rd3cai: Care is required for other reasons, like dns may not be available when the packet filter comes up.
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• 1715[22:24:52] <trek00> m0rd3cai: if you want to block http access based on domain names, you should setup a proxy (with filtering)
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• 1717[22:25:48] <trek00> m0rd3cai: do you want to block just for convenience or you need this block can't be circumvented?
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• 1723[22:29:29] <m0rd3cai> trek00: my kids and their friends are coming over and using tik tok, they created a fake 18+ youtube account to watch what they want so Im trying to block some of these apps these little shits keep bringing over here. Ill blacklist their MAC if this keeps being a problem
• 1724[22:30:09] <m0rd3cai> hoping there was an easier/cheaper way to block than an expensive firewall
• 1725[22:30:59] <trek00> m0rd3cai: ok well, blocking youtube based on ip addresses is not simple
• 1726[22:31:26] <trek00> and if you block those addresses, there is the chance you block also replaced-url
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• 1729[22:32:31] <trek00> then you could install a proxy or a dns caching
• 1730[22:32:42] <trek00> and block here that domain
• 1731[22:32:49] <trek00> the simpler should be install dnsmasq
• 1732[22:33:10] <trek00> and block any connection to port 53 to outside (apart from dnsmasq itself)
• 1733[22:33:16] <trek00> see replaced-url
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• 1736[22:34:09] <trek00> but if they are smart enough they can still access to youtube (if they set the youtube address on their hosts file)
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• 1738[22:36:43] <trek00> the other way is to install an http proxy (squid) and block any access to port 80 and 443 to outside (apart from squid itself)
• 1739[22:37:38] <trek00> but it is more complicated because you need to "intercept" https calls
• 1740[22:38:16] <trek00> m0rd3cai: if they are using android probably the dnsmasq method will work fine
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• 1762[23:08:20] <Twemlow> s
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• 1764[23:09:36] <MarioMey> Hello, there. I need to do something with Pulseaudio, but that channel is not active. Somewhere here that knows about Pulseaudio, loading modules/sinks/sources and connect them each other?
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• 1766[23:10:04] <MarioMey> *Anyone
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• 1769[23:11:52] <joepublic> the pulseaudio channel is low traffic, but they give great help
• 1770[23:12:04] <joepublic> be encouraged
• 1771[23:14:57] <SPF> ratrace: dmesg -w didn't show anything in realtime nor after the event
• 1772[23:17:57] <trek00> SPF: to be sure it's not a configuration issue, you could try with a debian live image
• 1773[23:17:59] <ratrace> SPF: then you have some serious hardware issue that the kernel can't even complain about
• 1774[23:18:27] <ratrace> SPF: I'd say it's likely a bad memory chip. you can try installing memtest and give it a run overnight
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• 1779[23:22:23] <nlpqda> something happened so that my debian box no longer plays any audio! alsmixer F6 I can't find any playback devices
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• 1785[23:22:43] <nlpqda> how to check the driver with lsmod? what is the name of it?
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• 1787[23:23:00] <trek00> nlpqda: check with lspci -k
• 1788[23:23:13] <petn-randall> nlpqda: It strongly depends on your audio device.
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• 1790[23:24:39] <nlpqda> trek00: I can not find anything related to sound using lspci -k
• 1791[23:25:18] <trek00> nlpqda: check also: lspci | grep -i audio
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• 1793[23:25:43] <nlpqda> debian gui shows "dummy output" when I increase the sound up
• 1794[23:26:05] <trek00> nlpqda: if it shows nothing, may be you should search in your logs
• 1795[23:26:16] <nlpqda> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
• 1796[23:27:10] <trek00> nlpqda: well try again with: lspci -k -s 00:1b.0
• 1797[23:27:14] <LtL> !timidity pulseaudio
• 1798[23:27:14] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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• 1802[23:28:59] <nlpqda> trek00: notebaUnit timidity.service could not be found.
• 1803[23:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1357
• 1804[23:29:51] <nlpqda> Unit timidity.service could not be found.
• 1805[23:30:42] <trek00> nlpqda: check if a driver is loaded: lspci -k -s 00:1b.0
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• 1808[23:33:22] <nlpqda> trek00: perfect job ... the driver is snd_hda_intel
• 1809[23:33:40] <nlpqda> the sound came back as soon as I sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
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• 1811[23:33:53] <nlpqda> thank you
• 1812[23:34:07] <trek00> good! :)
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• 1814[23:34:50] <nlpqda> now alsamixer F6 shows 0 HDA Intel PCH
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• 1816[23:36:23] <valoga> does checkinstall reasonably work well for deb packages?
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• 1821[23:43:22] <trek00> valoga: what do you mean?
• 1822[23:44:01] <valoga> trek00: I have a fairly straight forward app to package and was considering checkinstall
• 1823[23:44:19] <valoga> however reading some more about it, it seems it may not have all the facilities dh-make has
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• 1826[23:45:15] <trek00> valoga: well debhelper has much more flexibility than an automatic packager like checkinstall
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• 1828[23:46:51] <trek00> valoga: sorry i meant dh-make
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• 1830[23:47:22] <trek00> valoga: but you should really try both and see the result if it fits your needs
• 1831[23:50:19] <valoga> trek00: I think I will, thank you
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• 1835[23:52:09] <trek00> :)
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