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• 165[00:58:33] <polwol> hi
• 166[00:58:42] <polwol> i have ufw installed on debian 9
• 167[00:58:51] <polwol> but it doesnt autostart when i enable it
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• 169[00:59:04] <polwol> does anyone know how to fix this?
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• 171[00:59:26] <rpifan> enable
• 172[00:59:47] <icarious> polwol: ufw enable && systemctl enable ufw ?
• 173[00:59:55] <polwol> thats what i did
• 174[00:59:55] <icarious> polwol: run both
• 175[00:59:59] <polwol> both
• 176[01:00:08] <icarious> polwol: what does ufw status say?
• 177[01:00:08] <polwol> but it starts and then exits
• 178[01:00:11] <polwol> replaced-url
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• 180[01:00:38] <polwol> icarious: that its disasbled
• 181[01:00:51] <icarious> polwol: ufw reload && ufw enable
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• 184[01:02:10] <polwol> it doesnt work, icarious
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• 187[01:02:43] <icarious> no idea. I am not on Debian. I use ufw in Gentoo
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• 191[01:03:15] <cef> polwol: that systemctl output is correct. it's not a resident daemon, so it runs and exits.
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• 193[01:03:52] <polwol> cef: but when i do ufw status it sais that its disabled
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• 197[01:04:33] <cef> polwol: you posted `systemctl status ufw`. what's the output from `ufw status` : disabled? you've run `ufw enable` ?
• 198[01:04:44] <polwol> yes i did
• 199[01:05:02] <cef> and it came back with "Firewall is active and enabled on system startup" ?
• 200[01:05:09] <polwol> yes
• 201[01:05:13] <polwol> i also disabled it
• 202[01:05:19] <polwol> and reenabled it
• 203[01:05:33] <polwol> and i tried systemctl enable ufw
• 204[01:06:22] <cef> polwol: which kernel are you using? `uname -a`
• 205[01:06:40] <polwol> Linux f194.k.time4vps.cloud 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 211[01:08:40] <cef> polwol: `lsmod |grep ip_tables`
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• 213[01:09:54] <polwol> cef: replaced-url
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• 217[01:11:02] <cef> polwol: seems right. does `iptables -n -L` give any output at all?
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• 219[01:11:33] <polwol> replaced-url
• 220[01:11:34] <cef> polwol: don't pastebin it
• 221[01:11:38] <cef> oh well
• 222[01:11:50] <polwol> where should i paste it?
• 223[01:12:03] <cef> hrmm.. ok.. it's there but no ufw rules at all..
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• 226[01:13:21] <polwol> cef: replaced-url
• 227[01:13:29] <polwol> it was disabled
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• 230[01:17:00] <polwol> hmm it seems like my dns is also acting up
• 231[01:17:46] <cef> polwol: well that iptables output means ufw is working.
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• 234[01:18:40] <polwol> yes i enabled it manual
• 235[01:18:48] <polwol> but when i reboot its disabled
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• 240[01:21:59] <cef> polwol: ok that's weird.. sounds like systemd isn't starting the service at boot
• 241[01:22:40] <cef> I have to go soon (work calls).
• 242[01:22:58] <polwol> ah oke
• 243[01:23:07] <polwol> thanks for the help anyway
• 244[01:23:24] <cef> welcome. sorry I couldn't get to the bottom of it.
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• 248[01:27:32] <foul_owl_> Getting this error: replaced-url
• 249[01:27:53] <foul_owl_> How do I fix this crap and just tell it to install whatever damn packages it needs?
• 250[01:28:21] <foul_owl_> I don't want to resolve deps manually :(
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• 253[01:30:49] <foul_owl_> I see both versions available with apt-cache policy
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• 255[01:31:23] <foul_owl_> For some reason the backport is preferred, but I would assume there is some way to tell debian "hey, backports are preferred but if there is no way to make this work with the newer package, install the old one please"
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• 261[01:34:38] <foul_owl_> Ok nm for some reason it was preferring the backports for the deps, but not for the original package
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• 335[02:26:14] <Ooze> Hello. I'm installing some pre-reqs for an application I'd like to install, and I'm receiving some apt-get errors which weren't occuring until recently. I may recall having this issue before, and I had to do something about the repos
• 336[02:26:17] <Ooze> replaced-url
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• 355[02:39:50] <tudeums> hi
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• 359[02:42:04] <tudeums> is there a way i can make a raid 0 array on debian and boot from it? preferably with the installer
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• 361[02:43:54] <tudeums> if not would someone point me out to a distro that does allow me to set up raid 0 from the installer?
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• 364[02:44:00] <tudeums> preferable not with zfs as the only option
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• 370[02:47:21] <kot> Ooze, are you perchance an op on spotchat?
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• 372[02:47:44] <Ooze> I am not
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• 375[02:48:09] <kot> ok, sorry. wrong Ooze.
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• 394[02:59:28] <cybiko123> tudeums: You mean soft RAID?
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• 409[03:08:12] <mittttens> having some really bizarre visual rendering issues/artifacts replaced-url
• 410[03:08:17] <mittttens> anyone have any ideas?
• 411[03:08:47] <mittttens> on firefox it only happens in the menu dropdown
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• 413[03:09:03] <mittttens> rest of the browser renders normally
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• 416[03:09:38] <mittttens> other applications like polybar have similar visual issues
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• 451[03:26:17] <r00tobo> Hi. I just checked the GNOME 3.28.2 release and it came with the fix for that famous memory leak
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• 453[03:27:29] <r00tobo> is it going to be backported and patched for the debian stable in GNOME 3.22 ?
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• 464[03:36:03] <tw> Considering the size, scope, and dependencies, I doubt it.
• 465[03:36:08] <tw> but who knows, maybe.
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• 585[05:30:21] <tripkin> All of a sudden while in Gnome Terminal, when I use <shift> right arrow to select text, I get a C instead. The other three directions produce A B and D. It was working and I must have pressed some kind of key combination to flip the swith from select to keyboard code. Anyone have any ideas?
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• 591[05:33:49] <rant> tripkin: nope.. selecting text isnt suppose to work like that on a terminal, the letters is normal behavior
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• 593[05:35:52] <rant> use screen or tmux if you want to be able to select text with the keyboard
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• 598[05:40:23] <tripkin> rant, thanks. I was doing it in the same terminal session not too long ago, and have been doing it for years in the terminal. It does the same thing in a screen session as well.
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• 600[05:41:18] <tripkin> I am doing a bunch of changes, and want to be able to use the same command line and only change portions of it instead of retyping it every time.
• 601[05:41:39] <rant> just press up to scroll through commands you already typed
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• 603[05:41:51] <tripkin> that works fine.
• 604[05:42:02] <rant> then use the arrows to go to the part you want to edit
• 605[05:42:46] <tripkin> But if I want to change a directory or file name in a long command, I would reload the command, then move to the portion I wanted to change, <shift> arrow key over the section to highlight the whole thing, make the change, and go.
• 606[05:43:22] <rant> or do something like alias m="mplayer -vo fbdev -zoom -fs -xy 1280 -aspect 16:9" then just use the alias i.e. "m file1.avi" or "m file2.avi"
• 607[05:43:45] <rant> terminals dont work like that and arent suppose to
• 608[05:43:45] <tripkin> I can always backspace, but I was curious as to why the shift arrow suddenly change to printing out the modified keyboard code instead of selecting.
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• 610[05:44:11] <rant> I'm more curious why it was selecting in the first place terminals dont have selections..
• 611[05:44:25] <tripkin> What I am doing is searching subfolders of different directories and pulling the found files out and moving them to another folder.
• 612[05:44:38] <rant> selections are handled by something else like screen, tmux, gpm, xorg..etc
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• 615[05:44:59] <tripkin> LOL I don't have an answer for that, rant, It has always worked and still works fine on all my other linux boxes and virtual machines.
• 616[05:45:01] <rant> sounds to me like you're doing it wrong
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• 619[05:45:25] <rant> becauese gnu find can probably do all this in one command
• 620[05:45:33] <rant> or you should be scripting something
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• 622[05:45:57] <rant> terminals cannot select
• 623[05:46:17] <tripkin> I am using find, works great, but I am doing this on different folder structures with the contents moving to a different related folder.
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• 628[05:47:58] <rant> there are lots of apps out there for such things.. several even for sorting downloaded movie/tv files and fixing the retarded file names
• 629[05:48:20] <rant> batch renamers and such that can also create/modify directory structures
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• 633[05:49:54] <rant> but regardless the short version is, terminals arent suppose to be able to select text, and you should be finding another way of doing it.. using vars or aliases for commonly reused text or selecting with something that IS meant to select text
• 634[05:50:08] <tripkin> I am aware of these other tools, like mc, etc. What I am doing is finding and moving all text files from mark1, mark2, mark3, etc and moving them to Mark, but I am doing this with about 150 different names with similar setups.
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• 637[05:51:17] <rant> yeah well I do dumb stuff on my terminals too.. so I know where you're coming from :P
• 638[05:51:34] <tripkin> Maybe I just think I was doing it. I just tried it on another server and it did the same thing. Must be losing my mind. LOL Thanks for the help. You are apparently right. Maybe I need sleep....
• 639[05:51:47] <tripkin> Thanks again.
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• 642[05:52:52] <rant> idk I felt that way about several things recently.. like dmesg command not working as normal user, scroll bars seeking to clicked position instead of paging up/dn..etc..
• 643[05:53:04] <rant> but those things are all crap that DID change in the most recent debian release
• 644[05:53:14] <rant> terminals have never selected text :P
• 645[05:54:04] <rant> term emulators that do, do so using X and only with the keyboar if they have some special "select" mode
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• 647[05:56:52] <rant> which is how gnu screen does it by switching the term to a select mode waiting for keystrokes to mark the points
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• 764[08:04:43] <spock> hello why linux mint has no minimal version? i want minimum installed linux with wifi connected by default
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• 767[08:06:31] <Voldenet> spock: you do know that this is not a mint channel, right?
• 768[08:06:47] <spock> i think mint is debian?
• 769[08:06:50] <somiaj> !mint
• 770[08:06:50] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 771[08:07:10] <spock> !mint
• 772[08:07:10] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 773[08:07:15] <somiaj> spock: based on doesn't mean it is the same, they change things. Debian provides a minimial install, so if mint (based on debian) doesn't it is something they changed.
• 774[08:07:20] <somiaj> no need to have the bot repeat the factoid
• 775[08:07:28] <spock> okay
• 776[08:07:39] <spock> why mint has no minimal install version
• 777[08:07:44] <somiaj> go ask them
• 778[08:08:02] <spock> ohoh
• 779[08:08:04] <spock> my sorry
• 780[08:08:06] <spock> i confused
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• 794[08:17:17] <pingfloyd> because mint is garbage?
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• 808[08:29:06] <michael2> when is it what when I run `fc-match -s Awesome' or `fc-match -s mono' or fc-match -s whatever it always returns "DejaVu"?
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• 810[08:29:35] <michael2> what is fontconfig matching? its obviously not the name of the font? is it the font family or something?
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• 812[08:30:06] <michael2> oh man I messed that up - I meant this:
• 813[08:30:41] <michael2> when I run `fc-match -s Awesome' or `fc-match -s mono' or fc-match -s whatever it always returns "DejaVu"? why is that?
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• 815[08:32:19] <somiaj> well the mono seemed to make sense to me since it matched DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book", not sure about the Awesome
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• 819[08:33:13] <somiaj> fc-match -s Courier here didn't return DejaVu fonts first. It might be that some fonts are fallback if there is no other matches.
• 820[08:33:26] <somiaj> in that one DejaVu does appear shortly after all the courier matches
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• 823[08:34:54] <michael2> how do you know "mono" matches "DejaVu Sans" ?
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• 825[08:36:21] <somiaj> The match seemed reasonable to me, the first match was: DejaVuSansMono.ttf: "DejaVu Sans Mono" "Book" (looks like I pasted the wrong thing)
• 826[08:36:32] <somiaj> it is a mono font, so seems reasonable
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• 828[08:38:06] <michael2> im used to things like grep, where if I grep for "candle" in the sentence "my candle burns at both ends". 'candle' is a match
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• 832[08:39:32] <michael2> if I search "mono" and "DejaVuSansMono.ttf" matches - that makes sense
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• 834[08:40:46] <somiaj> I think font matching has some sort of fall back if nothing mathces.
• 835[08:40:53] <somiaj> i.e. this ensures everything has a match.
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• 837[08:41:45] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 838[08:42:48] <michael2> you dont need a link its /usr/share/doc/font-config/font-config-user.html or something
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• 840[08:43:25] <somiaj> anyways, font matching I think should always return at least one font, and it tries to find the 'best' match.
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• 843[08:44:16] <michael2> yeah like update-alternatives
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• 854[08:52:40] <briner_> Does someone knows why firefox on testing is at version 57 instead of 60 ?
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• 858[08:54:01] <somiaj> briner_: check the tracker, most likely bugs
• 859[08:54:16] <briner_> somiàz
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• 861[08:54:32] <somiaj> briner_: and #debian-next in irc.oftc.net is a good place to to ask testing questions.
• 862[08:54:33] <briner_> somiaj: sorry for the spelling... ok I'll get a look
• 863[08:54:49] <briner_> somiaj: good to know ?
• 864[08:54:51] <somiaj> briner_: replaced-url
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• 867[08:56:59] <briner_> somiaj: not really sure on how to read/interpret the tracker :/
• 868[08:57:13] <briner_> seems like a difficult/complex task.
• 869[08:57:45] <somiaj> it varries, firefox is a complex package, so there are complex issues that could hold it back.
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• 871[08:58:11] <briner_> yeah... that seems the case.
• 872[08:58:32] <somiaj> part of testing is some of these complex packages are slow, I've seen the browsers in testing have security holes for month+ before the transition actually happens.
• 873[08:58:53] <somiaj> some mix testing/unstable to get newer stuff, but you have to be careful there. Though this is all part of the joy of running #debian-next.
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• 895[09:14:14] <recku> hello
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• 900[09:19:54] <michael2> how is it that firefox has bugs at all? does that mean mozilla released a version that had bugs? or are the bugs debian specific?
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• 905[09:20:37] <somiaj> some bugs are debian specfic, some are due to firefox, most software is not bug free, though sometimes the bugs are edge cases, or running on different arches like arm.
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• 908[09:21:12] <somiaj> though in the migration case, it is a lot to do with dependencies, and being able to statsify them in testing.
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• 912[09:22:17] <michael2> If I were to download and install fireofx (as a self-contained directory) would I exerience these bugs too (I assume I wouldn't experience the packaging ones)
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• 916[09:24:12] <somiaj> most likely not, if you are running standard x86_64 hardware, downloading the static binary from mozilla and running in $HOME should work just fine.
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• 927[09:27:36] <michael2> somiaj: If I were to take the package from testing - would that be a more secure practice than downloading binary and running out of $HOME?
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• 931[09:28:28] <somiaj> michael2: testing has bas secuirty. If your version in $HOME is fully updated to the most recent avaiable from mozilla, it is most likely more secure.
• 932[09:28:43] <somiaj> if you care about security and things being integrated, running stable is the suggested route.
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• 934[09:29:17] <michael2> you mean testing has _bad_ security?
• 935[09:29:23] <somiaj> tea
• 936[09:29:34] <somiaj> yea...its getting late and I'm about to pass out, my typing gets worse and worse..(:
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• 946[09:35:50] <michael2> somiaj: I wouldn't recommend operating heavy machinery or re-partitioning your main hard disk in your current state then.
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• 959[09:47:05] <Satou> Hey guys, there's something wrong when I try playing mkv videos I'm on 9.4. A couple of days ago I modified my xorg.conf so that xbacklight would detect my display, could that be it?
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• 962[09:48:31] <Satou> It's better when I play them with mpv, but vlc just freezes the video to a frame and the audio keeps playing
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• 970[09:55:42] <Satou> Does anyone have an ideea why this xorg.conf could make my video playback bad? replaced-url
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• 977[09:59:54] <BCMM> Satou: do you mean that video playback is acceptable without that section?
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• 983[10:01:15] <BCMM> Satou: on recent-ish intel hardware, one is generally advised to use the "modesetting" driver, not the "intel" driver
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• 997[10:07:10] <jelly> Satou: how bad is it, and which video player are you using?
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• 1001[10:09:26] <Satou> jelly, in vlc it's a no-go it just stuck on one image while audio is playing, on mpv it's better, but the frames sometimes lag
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• 1005[10:09:53] <BCMM> Satou: might be interesting to try different -vo plugins in mpv. see what is and isn't working
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• 1007[10:10:09] <Satou> BCMM, yes, video playback is acceptable without the xorg.conf. should i edit it and set the "modesetting" driver instead of the intel one?
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• 1011[10:10:45] <BCMM> Satou: worth a try, at least
• 1012[10:10:56] <BCMM> Satou: i don't know if that backlight option is driver-specific or what, though
• 1013[10:11:33] <Satou> BCMM, replaced-url
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• 1017[10:12:05] <BCMM> Satou: oh, looks like it should be fine, actually! arch wiki suggests that that's literally just telling xrandr which sysfs directory to look in, independently of the graphics driver in use
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• 1021[10:12:48] <BCMM> Satou: if it was working fine with no xorg.conf, sounds like you've always go the option of just rm'ing the file from the VT, if you get locked out of your graphical desktop!
• 1022[10:12:53] <BCMM> ^got the option
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• 1024[10:13:46] <Satou> alrighty, thanks BCMM will reboot and try lol
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• 1033[10:20:17] <Satou> well BCMM changing intel to modesetting does indeed make my mkv video playback work in VLC, but xbacklight says "No outputs have backlight property"
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• 1037[10:22:13] <Satou> it's really weird that it's just mkv files. Altough VLC performs really bad with them, mpv does better, but still lags some frames
• 1038[10:23:15] <BCMM> Satou: could be an issue with specific codecs and hardware decoding
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• 1040[10:24:13] <BCMM> Satou: what do you get for ls /sys/class/backlight/?
• 1041[10:24:15] <Satou> BCMM, that what I'm guessing too, might even ditch VLC. That leaves me with one thing tho, modesetting vs intel, because only the intel driver will make xbacklight work
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• 1043[10:24:30] <Satou> it's intel_backlight BCMM
• 1044[10:24:50] <BCMM> Satou: and that exists currently, right?
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• 1046[10:25:13] <Satou> yes, there's intel_backlight in /sys/class/backlight/
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• 1048[10:26:09] <BCMM> Satou: looks like it's not just you - replaced-url
• 1049[10:27:34] <Satou> oh boy, this isn't good
• 1050[10:28:05] <BCMM> well, how do you want to adjust backlight?
• 1051[10:28:28] <BCMM> it looks like you can still directly manipulate sysfs, and it's just xbacklight that won't work
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• 1053[10:28:47] <BCMM> might need a udev rule for /sys/class/backlight/ permissions or something
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• 1057[10:30:07] <Satou> I remember I tried creating a link to /sys/class/bbacklight
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• 1061[10:32:08] <Satou> Altough ln: failed to create symbolic link '/sys/class/backlight/brightness': Operation not permitted
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• 1063[10:33:02] <Satou> oh, it was just /sys/class/backlight, but it says it exists
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• 1092[10:53:38] <Satou> I've found replaced-url
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• 1104[11:03:09] <JyZyXEL> after upgrading from jessie-stretch i get this email every day: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: Ignoring apache2 because of bad file mode - must be 0644 or 0444.
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• 1115[11:12:40] <at0m> JyZyXEL: i'd check the file permissions of /var/log/apache*, then how they get that way in /etc/apache*
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• 1117[11:14:12] <JyZyXEL> at0m: didn't help, i already did that yesterday
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• 1119[11:14:39] <at0m> JyZyXEL: and the log file permission was 0644 ?
• 1120[11:14:53] <JyZyXEL> at0m: it is now
• 1121[11:15:53] <JyZyXEL> chmod -R 644'd the thing yesterday
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• 1123[11:16:29] <JyZyXEL> now i chmodded /etc/cron.daily/apache2 which was 0755
• 1124[11:16:31] <at0m> why -R? that's recursive, meant for directories
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• 1128[11:17:30] <JyZyXEL> everything under /etc/cron.daily/ is 0755, should they be 0644?
• 1129[11:18:02] <at0m> no, 755 is good
• 1130[11:18:18] <at0m> they're scripts that are run daily
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• 1132[11:19:03] <JyZyXEL> im purging logrotate tomorrow if i still wake up to the email ffs
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• 1136[11:20:38] <at0m> why not just fix logfile creation permissions in apache configuration
• 1137[11:21:15] <JyZyXEL> because it has nothing like that
• 1138[11:21:16] <at0m> that's where i suspect the discrepancy lies
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• 1142[11:21:32] <JyZyXEL> it has LogFormat definitions and thats it
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• 1150[11:30:22] <JyZyXEL> ok from another stretch machine i determined apache2/ should have 0755 and files inside it should have 0640 so i did that
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• 1260[12:58:10] <wdfvd> just installed debian with mac theme it is sexy as hell!!
• 1261[12:58:56] <Haohmaru> now install mac with a debian theme
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• 1317[13:37:29] <Guest68678> Hi everyone 0/
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• 1320[13:38:22] <Guest68678> Does anyone knows a good manual for packaging noobs?
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• 1326[13:39:13] <BanHammor> Guest68678, #packaging and #debian-mentors on OFTC would be the place to ask
• 1327[13:39:23] <BanHammor> also, replaced-url
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• 1329[13:41:24] <Guest68678> Thanks, have a good day ! :)
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• 1335[13:45:10] <rek> which rdo server is available for stretch?
• 1336[13:45:13] <rek> rdp*
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• 1341[13:47:09] <BanHammor> rek, xrdp is the main one
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• 1344[13:47:42] <BanHammor> (there is also x11vnc or vncserver if RDP-specific functionality isn't needed)
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• 1348[13:49:14] <rek> cool... with vnc4server i wasn't able to see the same desktop
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• 1355[13:51:15] <rek> BanHammor, you meabt vnc4server?
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• 1357[13:51:30] <BanHammor> x11vnc allows you to use the same desktop
• 1358[13:51:42] <ThUnD3rGr33n> [xmpp] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Hello all
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• 1365[13:54:37] <BanHammor> see also: x0tigervncserver, which should allow you to do the same, i think
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• 1367[13:54:52] <kita_no_kumamon> guys, how do I disable a screen of a laptop __without__ x server installed?
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• 1384[14:03:56] <inthl> I would like to compile a kernel from the kernel.org sources to have a .deb file to install. however, make-kpkg is not available any more in stretch. how would one do that now?
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• 1389[14:05:29] <BanHammor> inthl, you can create debs from the kernel.org sources via its own make scripts, see its 'make help'
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• 1392[14:07:40] <inthl> BanHammor, ah, I did not know about these scripts
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• 1489[15:04:09] <jcordell> I have installed iptables on 9.4 and it comes with no init.d/iptables scripts, why is this?
• 1490[15:06:44] <apollo13> why would it?
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• 1492[15:07:02] <colo-work> ,v iptables-persistent
• 1493[15:07:03] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; buster: 1.0.4+nmu2; sid: 1.0.4+nmu2; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2
• 1494[15:07:10] <colo-work> enjoy!
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• 1523[15:27:27] <coffforcake> hi ,does someone know if debian 9 supports macspoof by know.because it didnt in the beginning.
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• 1526[15:29:08] <coffforcake> i wonder for which reason has that feature been not considered anymore in debian9?simnce its affecting tails os also.
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• 1542[15:33:06] <tw> you can't change your mac address using iproute2?
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• 1544[15:33:39] <greycat> ip link set ...?
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• 1547[15:34:15] <tw> coffforcake: some NICs don't support it, but debian doesn't do anything special to enable/disable changing macs.
• 1548[15:35:12] <coffforcake> its a bit ago since i tried debian9 ,but ifconfig didnt work anymore so i couldnt use macchanger package anymore
• 1549[15:35:42] <coffforcake> debian 8 works for macchanging with macchanger
• 1550[15:35:42] <greycat> man ip-link
• 1551[15:35:59] <greycat> or you can install net-tools to get a version of the ifconfig program, but it has changed
• 1552[15:36:07] <greycat> scripts that used to use ifconfig may not work any more
• 1553[15:36:09] <coffforcake> i will try it with ip-link command
• 1554[15:36:26] <tw> A lot of that is also in busybox's ifconfig.
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• 1556[15:36:43] <tw> (which I use pretty much exclusively for work)
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• 1569[15:42:24] <coffforcake> hi ,my pc has crashed.last thing i know about debian 9 and macspoofing is thet also the ip-link command didnt work
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• 1586[15:47:47] <RoyK> coffforcake: why do you want to change the mac address?
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• 1589[15:48:27] <m0rd3cai> so im running Stretch on a laptop, an elitebook. Ive disabled suspend when i close the lid, yet everytime I close the lid or the screen goes black, I have to ctrl+alt+f1 and relogin to bring my screen back. I have no idea where to even start looking into this
• 1590[15:48:31] <m0rd3cai> any ideas?
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• 1594[15:48:41] <dak> wait
• 1595[15:48:45] <dak> you want that to happen
• 1596[15:48:53] <pingfloyd> coffforcake: did you try: ip link
• 1597[15:49:00] <dak> wait you are asying it disapeaers ? m0rd3cai
• 1598[15:49:12] <dak> when you open the laptop backup you are in console and not xwin?
• 1599[15:49:27] <RoyK> coffforcake: iirc you can't change the MAC address when the link status is UP
• 1600[15:49:35] <RoyK> coffforcake: so down the nic first
• 1601[15:49:41] <jelly> coffforcake: if you really want ifconfig, you can still install net-tools package
• 1602[15:49:50] <coffforcake> its good when travelling when you depend on public wifi.on such hotspots wifi time is usually limited and when you can spoof mac you can login again for more wifi time
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• 1604[15:50:16] <RoyK> ifconfig bedamned ;)
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• 1606[15:50:39] <RoyK> coffforcake: I see
• 1607[15:50:59] <coffforcake> does taht mean if i have net-tools i can do the macspoof with the macchnager package?
• 1608[15:51:13] <greycat> !tias
• 1609[15:51:13] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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• 1611[15:51:38] <greycat> if this "macchanger package" is an actual package, wouldn't it *depend* on net-tools if it uses the ifconfig command?
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• 1613[15:51:44] <greycat> ,v macchanger
• 1614[15:51:45] <judd> Package: macchanger on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.0-9; jessie: 1.7.0-5.3; buster: 1.7.0-5.3+b1; sid: 1.7.0-5.3+b1; stretch: 1.7.0-5.3+b1
• 1615[15:51:47] <coffforcake> i will
• 1616[15:51:50] <greycat> ,depends macchanger
• 1617[15:51:51] <judd> Package macchanger in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, dpkg (>= 1.15.4) | install-info.
• 1618[15:51:56] <greycat> huh
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• 1620[15:52:38] <RoyK> coffforcake: ip link set wlan0 down - then ip link set wlan0 address x:x:x:x:x:x - then ip link set wlan0 up
• 1621[15:52:41] <RoyK> iirc
• 1622[15:53:57] <coffforcake> royk,do these commands actually work?i tried them already,but quite some time ago
• 1623[15:54:06] <greycat> Try them NOW and SEE if they work.
• 1624[15:54:14] <RoyK> greycat++
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• 1626[15:54:39] <coffforcake> i am on debian 8 right now but i will install debian 9 soon and check it
• 1627[15:55:01] <RoyK> should work on jessie too
• 1628[15:55:09] <m0rd3cai> macchanger works for me
• 1629[15:55:13] <greycat> The ip command has been in Debian for many versions (since at least squeeze).
• 1630[15:55:24] <RoyK> m0rd3cai: point is you don't need it
• 1631[15:55:30] <coffforcake> on jessie anyway and eversince i use it.thtas why i sticked to debian 8
• 1632[15:55:40] <m0rd3cai> ah touche
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• 1634[15:55:50] <DebIanSam> changing your IP address will not get around a MAC blocker
• 1635[15:55:57] <m0rd3cai> nerp
• 1636[15:56:31] <coffforcake> DebianSam ,what do you mean?
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• 1638[15:56:51] <RoyK> perhaps a rpi acting as a wee router with constantly changing mac address would be neat :D
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• 1640[15:57:30] <pingfloyd> DebIanSam: that's why he's trying to change the mac address
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• 1642[15:58:06] <DebIanSam> I just wanted to point that out...
• 1643[15:58:11] <pingfloyd> oh
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• 1646[15:58:40] <coffforcake> its also a good tool against social cyber control
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• 1652[16:01:01] <coffforcake> makes also a good reason to root your mobile because with busy box and terminal emulator you can spoof the mac for mobiles as well
• 1653[16:01:16] <DebIanSam> I like the idea... I'll have to see if MacChanger actually works.
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• 1657[16:03:01] <coffforcake> it kind of made my day quite some times (without wanting to sound like being a frequent traveller ,which i am not)
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• 1659[16:03:52] <m0rd3cai> dak: when i lock the screen and close the lid, then i open the lid the screen is black. touching keys on the keyboard gets no response. no response from the mouse. the ONLY thing that will bring the screen back (the login screen) is ctrl+alt+f1.
• 1660[16:04:17] <DebIanSam> sounds like it would be handy for the Youtube crowd, who upload videos at McDonalds
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• 1663[16:04:52] <coffforcake> what would be the reason for a debian developer to exclude the macspoof feature(if its still not possible assuming)?
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• 1667[16:05:22] <coffforcake> DebainSam,exactky that(one of the cases)
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• 1670[16:06:05] <greycat> phrases like "theft of service" come to mind
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• 1674[16:07:12] <jhutchins_wk> coffforcake: Be aware that not all net hardware supports mac spoofing. It has been considered very "black hat" by some.
• 1675[16:07:26] <jhutchins_wk> m0rd3cai: What about the power button?
• 1676[16:07:49] <jhutchins_wk> m0rd3cai: On some systems that's how you recover from "sleep".
• 1677[16:08:26] <coffforcake> thats true ,but it doesnt work on the hardware where it does work on debian 8
• 1678[16:08:32] <m0rd3cai> i dont ever put into sleep or hibernate. i just lock the screen. the power button doesnt do anything. i believe i turned that off in power settings
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• 1680[16:09:18] <DebIanSam> m0rd3cai: the issue is that you're locking the screen
• 1681[16:09:39] <m0rd3cai> correct. thats when i hate to ctrl alt f1
• 1682[16:09:44] <m0rd3cai> have to*
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• 1688[16:12:53] <DebIanSam> m0rd3cai: use a different screen-lock program
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• 1715[16:23:38] <jhutchins_wk> m0rd3cai: Closing the lid on most laptops does trigger a sleep mode. What happens if you just lock it and don't close the lid?
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• 1803[17:03:18] <jcordell> I have installed iptables on 9.4 and it comes with no init.d/iptables scripts, why is this?
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• 1805[17:03:52] <greycat> Debian doesn't do any kind of firewalling or packet filtering by default. You get to do it however you like.
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• 1811[17:06:22] <date_night> How about if im using gufw, if I just set status to "On" and change nothing else, is the firewall protecting my laptop?
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• 1815[17:07:02] <date_night> Currently the incoming is "Deny" and outgoing is "Allow"
• 1816[17:07:35] <date_night> But the rules tab is empty, so am I protected?
• 1817[17:07:54] <pingfloyd> no
• 1818[17:08:01] <greycat> What does "protected" mean to you?
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• 1820[17:08:55] <jcordell> greycat: installed iptables-presistant and before it use to provide /etc/init.d/iptables now its gone? are you sure
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• 1822[17:09:21] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1823[17:09:23] <date_night> Like protected from someone trying to hack me or virus or other network security
• 1824[17:09:30] <greycat> date_night: *sigh*
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• 1828[17:09:51] <pingfloyd> date_night: replaced-url
• 1829[17:10:12] <greycat> date_night: You are protected from Windows viruses by not running Windows. You are protected from people using your Foobar service by not running the Foobar service. A firewall does nothing for you.
• 1830[17:10:50] <greycat> A firewall is for people using their computer to protect OTHER COMPUTERS that must run the Foobar service because it's used internally, or must run Windows because ... well, there's no excuse, but they do it.
• 1831[17:11:47] <date_night> So if i only connect to home and my school's wifi network, is firewall not necessary for linux in this case?
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• 1833[17:12:16] <greycat> To secure a single Linux computer, you turn off unnecessary services, disable password-based ssh logins (or require strong passwords), etc.
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• 1835[17:12:44] <greycat> And keep up to date on security patches.
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• 1837[17:12:52] <date_night> Yea Im the only user for this computer,
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• 1840[17:13:07] <date_night> im on Unstable
• 1841[17:13:46] <petn-randall> date_night: Debian unstable or something like sidux?
• 1842[17:13:51] <petn-randall> *siduction
• 1843[17:13:57] <date_night> Debian Unstable
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• 1852[17:18:10] <jcordell> greycat: thanks. It seems I have to copy the script over these days. i guess this is something to do with systemd etc.
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• 1857[17:19:38] <greycat> The following additional packages will be installed:
• 1858[17:19:38] <greycat> netfilter-persistent
• 1859[17:20:53] <greycat> Looks like the script you want is named /etc/init.d/netfilter-persistent if I'm understanding this package correctly.
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• 1863[17:22:19] <petn-randall> date_night: Are you sure you should be running sid if you're struggling with Linux basics?
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• 1871[17:24:50] <date_night> petn-randall: I want to learn how to use a linux distro that has continuous updates
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• 1873[17:25:12] <date_night> And well, I dont really want to use the esr version of firefox
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• 1876[17:26:11] <date_night> Reinstalled quite a few times already, switching between stable and unstable
• 1877[17:26:38] <greycat> Debian does not have continuous updates. Debian is not what you are looking for.
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• 1880[17:27:33] <date_night> greycat: Unstable has many updates though
• 1881[17:28:16] <petn-randall> date_night: sid is not a rolling release.
• 1882[17:28:19] <petn-randall> !sid
• 1883[17:28:20] <dpkg> it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 1884[17:28:45] <greycat> dpkg, rolling =~ s/stretch/buster/
• 1885[17:28:45] <dpkg> greycat: OK
• 1886[17:28:49] <greycat> !rolling
• 1887[17:28:50] <dpkg> Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <buster>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>.
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• 1889[17:29:14] <petn-randall> date_night: sid is the staging area for packages that got updated by Debian Developers, that comes with next to no QA.
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• 1896[17:30:38] <date_night> I've been using this install for like 2 or 3 months now, no problems so far
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• 1898[17:31:16] <date_night> And I think I might want to learn how to contribute to Debian in the future
• 1899[17:31:52] <greycat> In that case, running unstable or testing and filing bug reports when you find problems is a great start.
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• 1948[17:51:14] <elm> hi; I have a problem with the backlight
• 1949[17:51:38] <elm> if I leave my computer unused the xfce power daemon will switch my display off after a while
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• 1951[17:51:48] <Pr0metheus> anyone can suggest a remote desktop server that runs the same way as windows rdp? like connecting to an existing session for a logged in user (without first disconnecting the local user) or do a new session if the user is not logged in...
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• 1953[17:52:03] <elm> however it is not possible to recover from this; i.e. the screen will stay dark and I will have to reboot
• 1954[17:53:03] <elm> Pr0metheus: most simply you could use export DISPLAY=machine:0 to send the screen output to another computer
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• 1958[17:53:42] <elm> Pr0metheus: xhost +serverip will be necessary on the client machine; i.e. the other computer
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• 1960[17:54:42] <Pr0metheus> elm I remember I had the same problem but the cause was the screen saver
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• 1962[17:55:05] <Pr0metheus> elm I don't understand how this could work as a remote desktop
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• 1964[17:55:34] <alkisg> Pr0metheus: afaik you want 2 programs, e.g. epoptes and x2go
• 1965[17:55:42] <alkisg> epoptes for the current session, x2go for a new one
• 1966[17:56:21] <alkisg> Maybe x2go also has a trick for sharing the current session, I don't remember well, I think it was tricky...
• 1967[17:56:24] <elm> Pr0metheus: combine with ssh (see ssh --help)
• 1968[17:56:55] <Pr0metheus> elm would this work from a mobile phone too?
• 1969[17:57:29] <elm> Pr0metheus: I don`t know; are you running Ubuntu on the mobile phone or Android?
• 1970[17:57:44] <Pr0metheus> elm I don't think it looks very convinient, I guess you have to first login to the machine forward to another machine and then do the ssh
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• 1974[17:57:54] <Pr0metheus> elm android
• 1975[17:57:57] <NeilHanlon> I removed my swap partition but my boot takes a long time because it appears to be looking for the swap still in partition scanning.. I _think_ it's because of `/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume`.
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• 1977[17:58:17] <NeilHanlon> replaced-url
• 1978[17:58:19] <alkisg> If you don't have xorg running on the client, your options are limited to vnc / xrdp / teamviewer :)
• 1979[17:58:21] <Pr0metheus> alkisg do they work concurrently, epoptes and x2go?
• 1980[17:58:22] <NeilHanlon> Is it safe to comment this out?
• 1981[17:58:36] <alkisg> Pr0metheus: neither of them has android support, I thought you were talking about debian
• 1982[17:58:48] <jelly> NeilHanlon: no, if you want to disable it put in RESUME=none (if I remember correctly), and then rebuild your initramfs
• 1983[17:58:50] <alkisg> They do work concurrently though
• 1984[17:59:01] <Pr0metheus> alkisg, well if you can setup a remote desktop server this should work with any client
• 1985[17:59:16] <alkisg> Pr0metheus: that's completely wrong. Xorg isn't available for "any client"
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• 1988[17:59:46] <NeilHanlon> jelly: I'll dig around in initramfs to double check the none... then just `update-initramfs -u -k all` and `update-grub`?
• 1989[18:00:04] <alkisg> Pr0metheus: for android, your options are limited to vnc / xrdp / teamviewer. No xorg.
• 1990[18:00:05] <jelly> NeilHanlon: the first one yes, no need to do anything with grub
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• 1995[18:00:27] <jelly> NeilHanlon: script code in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/resume seems to match my memory
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• 1997[18:00:49] <jelly> if [ "$RESUME" = none ]; then
• 1998[18:00:49] <jelly> exit 0
• 1999[18:00:49] <jelly> fi
• 2000[18:00:55] <NeilHanlon> decent. thanks!
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• 2002[18:01:36] <Pr0metheus> alkisg I want to avoid teamviewer, xrdp can't connect if the user is already logged in
• 2003[18:02:00] <alkisg> Pr0metheus: right, so you'll need both xrdp and vnc for the current seesion
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• 2008[18:02:49] <alkisg> Pr0metheus: it's also possible to setup vnc to create new sessions, but it'd be quite hard to configure that for android...
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• 2054[18:24:46] <a0z> Pr0metheus: try x11vnc?
• 2055[18:25:17] <Pr0metheus> a0z haven't tried it
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• 2067[18:30:10] <Pr0metheus> a0z you have to first login through terminal, run x11vnc and then start a vnc server and then I guess log back in and redirect monitor to localhost (?)....lots of trouble for something simple
• 2068[18:31:25] <somiaj> Pr0metheus: what is the reson you want the same session? Would something like tmux or screen suite your needs too?
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• 2071[18:32:45] <scwizard> trying to build replaced-url
• 2072[18:33:05] * scwizard crosses finers
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• 2075[18:33:34] <scwizard> Error launching VM: Qemu failed to start. Please run with logs to get more info. nooooooo
• 2076[18:33:36] <scwizard> :(
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• 2081[18:34:35] <Pr0metheus> somiaj my scenario is like this. My computer a work has lots of RAM and processing power so when I leave the office I need to be able to use it from anywhere else but 1 session per user. I also need to run a program 2-3 days so I need to login to the existing session. If no session is active I need to be able to create a new one.
• 2082[18:34:54] <scwizard> oh i need to use sudo lol
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• 2084[18:35:37] <somiaj> Pr0metheus: I do the same thing, but I just use ssh + tmux (or screen), but my programs I do this with aren't graphical.
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• 2086[18:36:01] <Pr0metheus> somiaj my problem is that I have software that use a graphical interface
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• 2089[18:36:46] <somiaj> I think what you want isn't as simple as you make it out to be, but I don't know the solution. I was just double checking there might not be an alternative.
• 2090[18:36:54] <scwizard> Pr0metheus: there's a bunch of competing remote session software
• 2091[18:37:05] <scwizard> like VNC, teamviewer, and so on
• 2092[18:37:09] <jhutchins_wk> Pr0metheus: You can set up VNC that will allow you to connect to an existing session. Performance is never going to be very good, but at least you have access.
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• 2094[18:37:27] <Pr0metheus> jhutchins_wk which VNC out of all?
• 2095[18:37:37] <scwizard> also logmein or something
• 2096[18:38:08] <scwizard> Pr0metheus: replaced-url
• 2097[18:38:30] <jhutchins_wk> Pr0metheus: Couldn't say. I think xvnc might do it. It really depends on the release and who packaged it, I've seen the same program locked to existing-session-only and locked to new-session-only, but some of them are configurable either way.
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• 2101[18:41:30] <stevendale> Hi
• 2102[18:41:34] <scwizard> so yeah you need to pick a software, and then work on configuring it, both are which are outside the scope of this channel. Although I will say the one debian supports mainly is tiger VNC which is GPL
• 2103[18:41:36] <scwizard> replaced-url
• 2104[18:41:37] <stevendale> Is Debian unstable actually 'unstable'?
• 2105[18:41:44] <scwizard> replaced-url
• 2106[18:41:48] <scwizard> stevendale: yes
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• 2111[18:42:19] <scwizard> stevendale: imo if you need up to date desktop software you should use snapcraft
• 2112[18:42:24] <stevendale> scwizard Will it run faster on older 32-bit Intel processors?
• 2113[18:43:02] <scwizard> stevendale: there's not a difference between stable and unstable that i know of on old 32 bit processors
• 2114[18:43:30] <stevendale> So there'd be no benefit with the updated Mesa?
• 2115[18:43:47] <Pr0metheus> scwizard ok will loook into tigervnc
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• 2118[18:44:25] <annadane> stevendale, unstable is meant as in "frequent changes", not "likely to crash"
• 2119[18:44:37] <spongie> hi. i'm looking for the postgresql client libs, but all I can find is server-dev. What package would I need to build other things with pgsql support?
• 2120[18:44:43] <scwizard> annadane: imo one implies the other, but crashes on desktop are nbd so
• 2121[18:45:03] <annadane> in my experience if you're careful (keep backups, maybe keep a debian live image around, don't blindly run apt commands without checking the output) it's not that unstable
• 2122[18:45:38] <annadane> it probably will not run faster than stable, though, no
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• 2124[18:45:49] <scwizard> well mesa seems to be the thingy
• 2125[18:45:57] <annadane> have you checked backports?
• 2126[18:46:00] <annadane> !backports
• 2127[18:46:00] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 2128[18:46:12] <annadane> not sure whether mesa was backported
• 2129[18:46:32] <annadane> ,v mesa-utils
• 2130[18:46:33] <judd> Package: mesa-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.1-2+b3; jessie: 8.2.0-1; stretch: 8.3.0-3; buster: 8.4.0-1; sid: 8.4.0-1
• 2131[18:46:41] <annadane> nope
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• 2133[18:46:52] <stevendale> That's not the mesa version
• 2134[18:46:59] <stevendale> Mesa consists of multiple packages
• 2135[18:47:18] <stevendale> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
• 2136[18:47:19] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 17.3.9-1~bpo9+1; buster: 17.3.9-1; sid: 18.0.3-1
• 2137[18:47:35] <annadane> fair enough; anyway, i run sid on my desktop fairly comfortably, just don't run it on mission critical things and keep backups, that said, people have run the same sid installation for years
• 2138[18:47:40] <scwizard> maybe there's some special mesa change for their exact 32 bit processor
• 2139[18:47:50] <scwizard> but honestly trying to make a 32 processor fast is just pissing away time
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• 2143[18:48:07] <spongie> Right found it. libpq-dev. Unfortunately both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of this can't be installed at the same time, what gives?
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• 2145[18:48:15] <simbalion> I switched from xfce4 to openbox and there's some kind of default screen-blanking thing after like 5 or 10 minutes, how do I change that configuration?
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• 2150[18:48:42] <scwizard> spongie: are you running on a 32 bit computer?
• 2151[18:48:44] <rek> why if i add another command in rc.local it's not executed?
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• 2153[18:49:24] <rek> it's a program that needs root privileges to run without errors...
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• 2156[18:49:50] <rek> i don't have -e at the beginning of rc.local this should be right
• 2157[18:49:53] <scwizard> rc.local is really depreciated
• 2158[18:50:25] <scwizard> you need to give it execution bits for it to work
• 2159[18:50:33] <rek> i run only cd to/my/dir and ./command and i'm ok then if i add other commands no way?
• 2160[18:50:33] <somiaj> rek: it could also be the enviroment the command is run in, it could be running, but missing something needed in the enviorment. check 'systemctl status rc.local'
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• 2163[18:50:48] <scwizard> honestly if you want to run something at boot
• 2164[18:50:52] <scwizard> you should really make a systemd thingy for it
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• 2166[18:51:30] <rek> thingy for it?
• 2167[18:51:32] <spongie> scwizard: no.
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• 2169[18:51:48] <somiaj> rc.local is fine, it is still supported, though in most cases a full systemd unit is prefered. But a lot depends on what it is you are running.
• 2170[18:51:51] <scwizard> spongie: no what? could you be more clear
• 2171[18:51:54] <spongie> scwizard: i did this setup yesterday on a Fedora box, i need to build a thing that requires 32-bit postgresql libs
• 2172[18:52:03] <spongie> scwizard: no, I'm not on a 32-bit machine?
• 2173[18:52:06] <scwizard> i see
• 2174[18:52:15] <somiaj> spongie: have you enabled multiarch and installed the 32bit libs?
• 2175[18:52:19] <spongie> yeah
• 2176[18:52:30] <scwizard> spongie: you probably want to compile them yourself then
• 2177[18:52:39] <spongie> scwizard: no.
• 2178[18:52:43] <scwizard> why not?
• 2179[18:52:47] <spongie> to be more clear: that's why im not using gentoo
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• 2181[18:53:02] <spongie> or slackware these days
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• 2183[18:53:07] <scwizard> spongie: well to build exotic thinsg that require 32 bit postgresql libs you sometimes need to compile things yourself
• 2184[18:53:17] <rek> mag 11 18:47:53 l2 systemd[1]: rc-local.service: Control process exited, code=exited status=143
• 2185[18:53:18] <rek> mag 11 18:47:53 l2 systemd[1]: Failed to start /etc/rc.local Compatibility.
• 2186[18:53:18] <rek> mag 11 18:47:53 l2 systemd[1]: rc-local.service: Unit entered failed state.
• 2187[18:53:18] <rek> mag 11 18:47:53 l2 systemd[1]: rc-local.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
• 2188[18:53:26] <spongie> scwizard: its not exotic, it works out of the box on both fedora and archlinux
• 2189[18:53:27] <scwizard> you can't expect the supported debian packages to support compiling arbitrary code
• 2190[18:53:40] <spongie> it's not arbitrary code. its the 32-bit version of postgresql
• 2191[18:53:42] <scwizard> spongie: ok so if it's not some private code for your company, then tell me what it is
• 2192[18:53:52] <scwizard> i see
• 2193[18:54:02] <spongie> replaced-url
• 2194[18:54:06] <spongie> scwizard: although that matters not
• 2195[18:54:07] <somiaj> spongie: in a multiarch enviorment you have to choose to have either the 64bit version or the 32bit version of a binary. Only libs can have both installed at the same time.
• 2196[18:54:14] <spongie> scwizard: what I'm trying to build works fine
• 2197[18:54:18] <rek> compatibility?
• 2198[18:54:25] <somiaj> spongie: But if all you need is a 32bit libary, y ou can install those using multiarch.
• 2199[18:54:32] <scwizard> sounds like a bug in the pqsql lib package
• 2200[18:54:33] <spongie> somiaj: I always go for 64-bit since I haven't used a 32-bit cpu in 2 decades aside from phones
• 2201[18:54:37] <scwizard> that it doesn't support update alternatives or whatever
• 2202[18:54:59] <somiaj> spongie: same thing with build libs (-dev), you have to either have a 32bit enviorment or a 64bit enviorment, not both. Chroots are sometimes nice to build 32bit software on 64bit systems.
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• 2209[18:55:37] <somiaj> simbalion: xset can control that, xset s off, and xset -dpms will disable the default xorg blanking.
• 2210[18:55:42] <scwizard> somiaj: shouldn't having both work via update alternatives?
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• 2212[18:56:22] <somiaj> scwizard: not for the build enviroment, you need to either have a 32bit build enviorment or a 64bit. There are some ways to do this with cross complining that I'm not aware of. I just build chroots to build 32bit software. It is quick and efficient in my view.
• 2213[18:56:43] <simbalion> somiaj: does that go in ~/.xinitrc then? Much appreciated.
• 2214[18:56:49] <scwizard> somiaj: well apparently fedora switches seamlessly between 32 bit and 64 build environments so
• 2215[18:57:00] <somiaj> simbalion: I would suggest using .xsession instead, but yes.
• 2216[18:57:11] <spongie> scwizard: fedora and arch handles automagically for all libs yes
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• 2218[18:57:38] <spongie> somiaj: it's only efficient to do it in a worse way if the best way doesn't work
• 2219[18:57:42] <stevendale> Look at my lovely powerful CPU: replaced-url
• 2220[18:57:51] <somiaj> scwizard: that I'm unsure of, or how it is done, but in debian multiarch is only for binary libaries. Everything else ahs to be either 32bit or 64bit (you can't have both at the same time)
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• 2222[18:57:53] <simbalion> somiaj: thanks!
• 2223[18:57:53] <scwizard> somiaj: like it's not impossible in theory to support a 32 bit and 64 build env simultaneously but
• 2224[18:57:58] <scwizard> i can understand debian not supportin it
• 2225[18:58:19] <rek> replaced-url
• 2226[18:58:19] <spongie> scwizard: afaik its the way new systems do it
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• 2228[18:58:26] <spongie> scwizard: i havent used debian in like 10 years
• 2229[18:58:32] <scwizard> i mean
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• 2231[18:58:36] <scwizard> debian is a new system :|
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• 2234[18:58:49] <scwizard> sayin "fedora is more modern than debian" is kinda idk
• 2235[18:59:01] <scwizard> they're both maintained ya know
• 2236[18:59:06] <wolfmoon> when i installed vlc from snap in debian stretch x64, it added duplicate of directory's in /user/home but the created duplicate is all empty. are they safe to remove?
• 2237[18:59:09] <simbalion> whats 'new' mean in this context
• 2238[18:59:30] <spongie> scwizard: new is has gotten with the times since 2001
• 2239[18:59:31] <rek> hei
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• 2241[18:59:52] <simbalion> ah, I would use 'modern'. Thanks for clearing that up :)
• 2242[18:59:55] <scwizard> spongie: i mean coming into #debian and flaming the distro as not with the time
• 2243[19:00:08] <scwizard> that's kinda rude and ppl aren't gonna want to help you
• 2244[19:00:21] <simbalion> Debian won best distro in Linux Journal by a huge margin. Like 25%
• 2245[19:00:35] <simbalion> so.... whatever.
• 2246[19:00:54] <mutante> "hasnt used it in 10 years" "knows it's not modern" .. it makes sense
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• 2248[19:01:24] <spongie> im commenting on your comments "it's not impossible but hard" etc. no it's not. its done in lots of distros.
• 2249[19:01:25] <simbalion> ubuntu kids are always complaining about Debian's "slow" package upgrades. They don't understand stability as a priority.
• 2250[19:01:37] <somiaj> spongie: anyways I would use debootstrap, create a 32bit chroot, build the software there.
• 2251[19:02:01] <mutante> simbalion: yea, the request isn't much, it's just "bleeding edge" and "rock solid"
• 2252[19:02:01] <scwizard> spongie: well i was about to ask you the build process for fedora and try and out then try and see if i could get similar working in debian but
• 2253[19:02:08] <scwizard> idk don't really feel like it anymore
• 2254[19:02:23] <rek> scwizard,
• 2255[19:02:40] <wolfmoon> we all use debian because we like it, if the user does not like debian the user has the freedom to take another one to use
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• 2257[19:02:55] <simbalion> wolfmoon: and if the user is only here to cause problems for the rest of us?
• 2258[19:03:00] <scwizard> rek: sry i'll chill
• 2259[19:03:16] <simbalion> scwizard: fwiw I think you're right.
• 2260[19:03:30] <scwizard> anyways i almost have this thingy built
• 2261[19:03:47] <scwizard> altho i wish replaced-url
• 2262[19:03:57] <spongie> I think the problem is not that the 386 library is missing.
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• 2267[19:04:48] <scwizard> stretch.vmdk wow it actaully worked
• 2268[19:05:16] <somiaj> spongie: and the issue is not that you can't build 32bit software on a 64bit install, it is that debian multiarch doesn't support the 32bit -dev and 64bit -dev package isntalled at the same time. Install all the 32bit -deb packages and build your software.
• 2269[19:05:55] <scwizard> somiaj: well why doesn't debian multiarch support 32bit -dev and 64bit -dev package installed at the same time? fedora does
• 2270[19:06:32] <somiaj> My best guess is manpower and desire to make it do so.
• 2271[19:06:41] <spongie> somiaj: the 32 bits is installed
• 2272[19:06:45] <spongie> I think its located in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpq.so.5.9
• 2273[19:06:51] <somiaj> debootstrap is very nice, and you can have a 32bit build enviroment on your system fairly quickly and build there.
• 2274[19:06:56] <spongie> which of course the cmake scripts isnt looking in
• 2275[19:07:05] <somiaj> spongie: that is a libary, not a header file.
• 2276[19:07:24] <jhutchins_wk> I'm not sure that the debian -dev and Fedora -dev packaes are the same thing. Maybe they are.
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• 2278[19:07:35] <spongie> somiaj: yeah i know
• 2279[19:07:47] <spongie> somiaj: i need both header and library to build
• 2280[19:08:00] <somiaj> spongie: so use debootstrap, built a 32bit build enviorment and build the software.
• 2281[19:08:15] <spongie> somiaj: no i added the path in the cmake
• 2282[19:08:26] <spongie> normally the 32 bit libs go into /usr/lib32
• 2283[19:08:29] <somiaj> or just install the 32bit -dev packages and remove the 64bit ones.
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• 2285[19:08:35] <spongie> somiaj: already done
• 2286[19:08:37] <somiaj> spongie: this is not libs, these are header files, they are different.
• 2287[19:08:46] <spongie> somiaj: dude. ive been coding for 35 years now :)
• 2288[19:08:52] <spongie> thanks for the heads up
• 2289[19:09:00] <spongie> i added the path to the cmake and i think that will do it
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• 2300[19:15:32] <wolfmoon> simbalion ? you ask me that?
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• 2304[19:17:52] <wolfmoon> simbalion im sure this channel has rules for that kind of things.
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• 2325[19:22:51] <somiaj> scwizard: actually looks like my info is outdated, seems debian can support this. Now updating all libs to allow this maybe another story. Though I can't seem to find any clear documentation on this.
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• 2332[19:24:08] <rek> hi guys it's like i can't put something normally would remain open in a terminal working and pushing an output in rc.local only comands that gives you a free terminal after you run them are ok... am i right?
• 2333[19:24:26] <greycat> rc.local runs before there is a terminal
• 2334[19:24:41] <greycat> What are you actually trying to do?
• 2335[19:24:59] <petn-randall> rek: I fail to parse your line. That were several sentences, right?
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• 2337[19:25:29] <rek> hi greycat how are you? i eant to run a script
• 2338[19:26:01] <greycat> What does the script do? How long does it take? What inputs does it need? What outputs does it produce, and where do you want them to go?
• 2339[19:26:02] <rek> if i run it now... it gives me an endless output to the screen like fan speed and stuff...
• 2340[19:26:12] <greycat> It's a monitoring program?
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• 2342[19:26:22] <rek> petn-randall, sorry i'm in a hurry
• 2343[19:26:47] <rek> greycat, i tried to link the gpu temp to the pwm fan of the chassis
• 2344[19:27:03] <greycat> I don't know what "link" means here.
• 2345[19:27:04] <wolfmoon|2> now back to my question, why does snap (installed vlc via snap) add duplicate of directory in /user/home? i have 2 music directory 2 document directory while 1 of them is empty? are the empty one safe to remove?
• 2346[19:27:17] <rek> i have two programs like this so basically only one can run
• 2347[19:27:56] <rek> doesn't matter...it requires root privileges to run and...well the higher the temp is the higher the pwm value
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• 2349[19:28:41] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: unsure, most just use the software provided in the debian repos. Any reason the vlc version from stretch doesn't suit your needs?
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• 2351[19:28:52] <petn-randall> rek: There are already tools that just do that. No need to run a script in rc.local.
• 2352[19:29:24] <petn-randall> rek: look at the package fancontrol, IIRC it also comes with a daemon.
• 2353[19:29:25] <rek> never seen any
• 2354[19:29:42] <rek> fancontrol get info from sensors...
• 2355[19:29:52] <rek> my script get info from nvidia-smi
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• 2360[19:30:37] <rek> only nvidia-smi gives me the temp of one gpu i need to tell to my script
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• 2362[19:31:00] <rek> why if i run 2 things in rc.local only one can work?
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• 2364[19:31:05] <greycat> OK, stop.
• 2365[19:31:17] <greycat> Just... stop. You are confused and you are asking too many things at once.
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• 2367[19:31:50] <greycat> rc.local is a shell script (typically). It runs things in sequential order just like any other script. If you want two or more things to run simultaneously, run them IN THE BACKGROUND with the & operator.
• 2368[19:32:18] <greycat> If you want a long-running daemonk run it IN THE BACKGROUND with the & operator, even if there's nothing else for rc.local to do. Just common courtesy.
• 2369[19:32:27] <rek> ahhhh that's like in the startup of gnome or fluxbox then but i put it in rc.local ?
• 2370[19:32:42] <greycat> It sounds like your monitoring script is supposed to run forever, which qualifies it as a long-running daemon, so run it in the background.
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• 2372[19:33:04] <rek> i also enabled rc.local to be used with systemd
• 2373[19:33:11] <greycat> It's enabled by default.
• 2374[19:33:22] <wolfmoon|2> somiaj ok, well it has never happen before with a software install, i was thinking if snap-vlc version is dependency of the directorys that snap has seem to have created
• 2375[19:33:25] <rek> it failed....
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• 2377[19:33:54] <greycat> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service; static; vendor preset: enabled)
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• 2379[19:34:22] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: This might not be the best place to find people who support snap packages. In general we support the packages in debian. Note these snap packages are not created by debian.
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• 2383[19:35:51] <rek> ystemctl enable rc-local gave me he unit files have no [Install] section so i created a file
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• 2385[19:36:29] <greycat> It is enabled by default. The output of systemctl status rc.local told me so.
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• 2387[19:37:01] <greycat> But, fine, you did something and now it's still working, so yay.
• 2388[19:37:06] <petn-randall> rek: Maybe you're misunderstanding how rc.local is supposed to work. It's not a daemon.
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• 2390[19:37:25] <wolfmoon|2> somiaj: yeah i know, they if i remember it right first came from/to Ubuntu but they work to install in debian. i think Fedora has them also but how it is with support also in Fedora i dont know
• 2391[19:37:39] <rek> sudo nano /etc/systemd/system/rc-local.service
• 2392[19:38:07] <ratdeptrai_m> Can't figure out what package to install on buster to get the emacs-lisp manual.
• 2393[19:38:12] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: It is an attempt to make more distro independent packages, but there is a costs (usually static linked). And if there is bugs in the packages, you have to report the bug to snap (not debian).
• 2394[19:38:43] <rek> replaced-url
• 2395[19:38:53] <somiaj> ratdeptrai_m: do you have non-free in your sources, many of the gnu docs/manuals are in non-free due to invariant sections.
• 2396[19:39:07] <greycat> rek, debian *comes with* a working, enabled rc.local.service service. You literally only need to create an /etc/rc.local file and chmod +x it.
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• 2399[19:39:25] <greycat> And before stretch, you even got the /etc/rc.local file already, so all you had to do was edit it.
• 2400[19:39:35] <rek> true but what was failed to start compatibility and stuff? i fixed that
• 2401[19:39:42] <ratdeptrai_m> somiaj: ah ok, that's probably it, thabks.
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• 2403[19:39:43] <somiaj> rek: why are you trying to make a custom service override the default one provided by debian in /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service. The issue could be with your custom unit file, I would remove it.
• 2404[19:39:59] <rek> yeah in stretch i didn't find it some month ago so i created it
• 2405[19:40:15] <greycat> Stretch comes with the rc.local service, just not the FILE.
• 2406[19:40:26] <greycat> All you have to do is create and chmod +x the /etc/rc.local file.
• 2407[19:40:50] <rek> somiaj, i really don't know it.. i tried to fix the failed to start compatibility mode...
• 2408[19:41:02] <wolfmoon|2> somiaj: ok i'll see if i can report it to the snap-people. and a few other distros also has snap-install support i should add.
• 2409[19:41:02] <rek> that's what i did
• 2410[19:41:10] <RoyK> greycat: isn't very hard to write a systemd script, though
• 2411[19:41:40] <greycat> You mean *instead of* using rc.local. True-ish.
• 2412[19:41:52] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: correct, the idea is to be able to provide packages for multiple distros. Though many debian users prefer the stability and relabiltiy of using only packages in the debian repos, so you have a much smaller of people in debian using such packages.
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• 2414[19:42:12] <rek> somiaj, in stretch rc.local is linked to /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service ?
• 2415[19:42:21] <rek> i didn't know
• 2416[19:42:41] <somiaj> You seem to use the word 'linked' incorrectly to me.
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• 2418[19:43:01] <rek> sorry
• 2419[19:43:03] <somiaj> debian provides a lot of default systemd unit files, all located in /lib/systemd/, one of them is the rc-local.service file. This isn't a link, it is a unit file provided by the package.
• 2420[19:43:04] <greycat> He also used "linked" to mean something to do with temperatures and scripts and god knows what, so it seems to be a recurring theme.
• 2421[19:43:55] <wolfmoon|2> but i think its better to keep the system packages that the distros use, the 2 most in use i would think are .deb for debian and debian based distros and .rpm for Fedora, OpenSUSE and distros based on them.
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• 2423[19:44:26] <rek> hauhauha thank you guys for being kind enough
• 2424[19:44:41] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: that is still to gneral, .deb files are not all made for debian. It is best in debian to stick to the packages provided by debian. One needs to be careful when installing stuff not provided by debian.
• 2425[19:44:59] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: though snap and appimage are some nice attempts at this, but static linked files are just bigger, and you don't get debian support for them.
• 2426[19:45:04] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 2427[19:45:04] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 2428[19:45:31] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: ^^ that wiki article nicely explains things about installing thrid party software. And of the methods out there, snap is actually a decent one to use.
• 2429[19:45:41] <annadane> to expand on that many websites will just provide a .deb when you try to install their software; should be avoided, use a tar archive or something
• 2430[19:46:18] <annadane> DontBreakDebian has a section on "how to install software not available in debian stable"
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• 2432[19:46:26] <annadane> (which also applies to testing and sid)
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• 2438[19:48:54] <wolfmoon|2> somiaj: arch has pacman they di never install packages that is built to another distro it could be alot of dependency issue when do that. one dependency that is in for example in Ubuntu might not be in Debian and so on
• 2439[19:50:08] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: correct, you don't want to mix ubuntu .debs, with debian .debs. Further you don't want to mix stretch .debs with buster .debs or sid .debs. Dynapmically linked packages are nice, but you really need to stick to only using ones that are built for the system you are running.
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• 2445[19:52:11] <TacoGS> is there a way to force apt to ignore broken dependencies so it doesn't bitch about them like it lost its dog?
• 2446[19:52:38] <somiaj> TacoGS: if you find yoruself wanting to do that, you have most likely done something wrong.
• 2447[19:52:46] <greycat> TacoGS: install equivs, read its documentation, use it
• 2448[19:52:52] <Tenkawa> TacoGS: you do "not" want to do that
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• 2450[19:52:58] <TacoGS> I DO want to do that
• 2451[19:52:59] <wolfmoon|2> i also never mix repos in /etc/apt/sources.list that could endup in dependency nightmare, some dependency are newer and some are older and they might crash: new dependency > old dependency
• 2452[19:53:00] <Tenkawa> !bad idea
• 2453[19:53:13] <greycat> TacoGS: then use equivs to build local pkgs that provide the missing things
• 2454[19:53:19] <TacoGS> the package was dpkg installed by myself
• 2455[19:53:28] <Tenkawa> well darn.. we need an entry for that
• 2456[19:53:33] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: yup, that is why things like snap and appimage have emerged, to try to provide a way to nicely provide software that you don't have to build for each and every distro.
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• 2458[19:53:44] <greycat> !any ideas
• 2459[19:53:44] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and 42 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!
• 2460[19:53:53] <TacoGS> and it doesn't require it to run, but now apt is depressed about it and constantly wants me to --fix-broken the package
• 2461[19:53:59] <annadane> the only thing i don't like about flatpak is that one needs to add repositories as root
• 2462[19:54:06] <TacoGS> thanks greycat
• 2463[19:54:32] <Tenkawa> greycat: well thats different
• 2464[19:54:38] <Tenkawa> heheheh
• 2465[19:54:58] <wolfmoon|2> somiaj: one safe thing to do is to check in backport repo, and if its not in backport repo i build a backport myself instead
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• 2468[19:56:07] <wolfmoon|2> so that the sources.list doesnt get mixed with serval debian versions or repos
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• 2473[19:58:56] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: Don't you need to add repositories to apt as root?
• 2474[19:59:58] <wolfmoon|2> or i build direct from source, its fun to see the source code fly away in bash :)
• 2475[20:00:17] <greycat> (in a terminal)
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• 2481[20:01:00] <annadane> yeah, but... i don't know, i've just felt in flatpak everything should be done unprivileged
• 2482[20:01:05] <annadane> it's probably excessive paranoia
• 2483[20:01:21] <greycat> that sounds like just the right amount of paranoia
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• 2485[20:01:35] <wolfmoon|2> just ./configure then make and make install and see the magic in bash
• 2486[20:01:42] <greycat> in terminal
• 2487[20:01:52] <greycat> bash is not involved anywhere in that chain of commands once you hit Enter
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• 2494[20:05:25] <wolfmoon|2> i dont know why i say bash... i know so well its in the terminal, work in the terminal. commands always works better than gui when do something by the way
• 2495[20:05:38] <annadane> the problem with linux is that people focus on the technical capabilities and not so much on the security or freedom aspect and it leads to advice like using sudo to install things from github or adding random external repositories, and this culture/advice is everywhere
• 2496[20:06:14] <greycat> That's not specific to linux.
• 2497[20:06:51] <simbalion> is that the problem with linux? Huh.
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• 2499[20:07:11] <simbalion> I didn't even know there was a problem with Linux
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• 2502[20:07:30] <simbalion> the whole internet runs on linux I thought it must be doing everything right, or at least more right than the alternatives.
• 2503[20:07:44] <annadane> there are "ways of getting the software i want" which i specifically don't use for reasons of paranoia
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• 2505[20:08:10] <wolfmoon|2> and the classic myth: Linux is only for servers or database.
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• 2507[20:08:31] <greycat> The biggest use of Linux in the world AFAIK is Android on cell phones.
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• 2510[20:08:56] <wolfmoon|2> not for desktop use, i think this is also why people does not try it.
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• 2513[20:09:15] <simbalion> I think it's still a fraction of the desktop market? I haven't looked at numbers tho
• 2514[20:09:25] <simbalion> greycat: probably IoT devices too
• 2515[20:09:34] <greycat> yeah, probably
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• 2517[20:09:41] <simbalion> pretty much everything really. Except desktops.
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• 2519[20:09:59] <greycat> Google says "Google today announced that there are now more than two billion monthly active Android devices in use around the world. "
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• 2521[20:10:15] <greycat> and that's a year old
• 2522[20:10:24] <simbalion> must be doing something right
• 2523[20:10:56] <wolfmoon|2> i mean i use debian for everything, play music, play games, browse the web, build software from source, work with gimp can make Linux the system i want it to be
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• 2525[20:11:14] <simbalion> booting into any version of windows in 2018 is such a nightmare, I'd probably never do it if it weren't for EA, Bethesda and Ubisoft. Grrr.
• 2526[20:11:45] <simbalion> even then I can go weeks before the craving for Far Cry forces me to reboot
• 2527[20:12:13] <simbalion> windows just.... sucks... so badly.
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• 2529[20:13:27] <stevendale> Hey :)
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• 2531[20:14:37] <wolfmoon|2> i let Wine + PlayOnLinux take care of the Windows games
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• 2533[20:15:18] <wolfmoon|2> at times it even runs better in Wine than in Windows itself
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• 2537[20:16:15] <somiaj> Although it is nice to see such support for debian, we should try to stick to support topics
• 2538[20:17:07] <simbalion> wolfmoon|2: You should check out Lutris it's so much better than PoL
• 2539[20:17:24] <wolfmoon|2> Lutris whats that?
• 2540[20:17:31] <simbalion> the same thing but better
• 2541[20:18:46] <wolfmoon|2> im on their web page know looks good
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• 2547[20:21:21] <wolfmoon|2> i maybe try Lutris, can i see what games it supports like in PoL or do i just have to try?
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• 2549[20:22:00] <simbalion> yeah click the games link on their site
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• 2552[20:22:48] <simbalion> they're both just GUIs for wine so they work the same way but Lutris is just a _better_ GUI. It responds faster, it's lesss buggy, the controls are more intuitive, etc
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• 2557[20:23:41] <simbalion> I love the PoL guys for their contribution but it's been kind of a pile of turds for years
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• 2560[20:26:16] <wolfmoon|2> i can agree i have used PoL for years and it has been my number 1 for windows games in Linux
• 2561[20:27:44] <simbalion> wolfmoon|2: also the name sounds furry which may or may not appeal to you, judging by your nick
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• 2563[20:28:35] <wolfmoon|2> my nick? whats rong with my nick?
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• 2568[20:30:01] <Whiskey`> Hi. im trying to update one of my usb sticks and am getting release is valid yet (invalid for another 4h 8min 14s)
• 2569[20:30:07] <Whiskey`> any idea what that is aobut ?
• 2570[20:30:24] <Whiskey`> typo, is not* valid
• 2571[20:30:42] <wolfmoon|2> i dont care about my nick or how it sounds the only thing i care about is that i like it.
• 2572[20:30:43] <somiaj> Whiskey`: give more details, what is on the usb stick? What release are you using? How are you updating it?
• 2573[20:31:08] <somiaj> simbalion: and comments like that should really be adressed in an offtopic channel, or just not at all.
• 2574[20:31:09] <Whiskey`> its gparted live usb. updating via apt-get update
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• 2578[20:31:49] <somiaj> Whiskey`: gparted live usb? This doens't sound like debian (but maybe a derivative?) Debian live usbs usually aren't upgradble.
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• 2581[20:32:13] <Whiskey`> its just a stripped debian
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• 2583[20:32:34] <greycat> !based on debian
• 2584[20:32:34] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 2585[20:32:58] <somiaj> still sounds like a derivative, I would go ask for support from the gparted liveusb creaters. That error sounds like it is something to do with thier 'releases'
• 2586[20:33:05] <wolfmoon|2> Whiskey`: its not an official debian you mean?
• 2587[20:33:10] <greycat> In particular, Debian never has anything that could be described as "invalid for another x hours".
• 2588[20:33:15] <scwizard> it really isn't
• 2589[20:33:16] <Whiskey`> ill go find out
• 2590[20:34:38] <wolfmoon|2> Whiskey`: how the uprgade works with un-official debian or debian based releases i dont know. if it is so you can ask that community
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• 2593[20:36:11] <simbalion> wolfmoon|2: nothings wrong with it, it was meant in a friendly way. somiaj: sorry! Will stop chatting off-topic
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• 2595[20:36:54] <wolfmoon|2> "sripped debian" what is that? i have never heard of it
• 2596[20:37:43] <somiaj> wolfmoon|2: just another way to say 'based off debian', someone took debian, and striped it down and made a custom liveusb from it.
• 2597[20:38:04] <wolfmoon|2> somiaj: ok
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• 2600[20:40:48] <wolfmoon|2> by the way i took a look into the snap thing... on Ubuntu irc channel list they have a channel called #snappy is that the place where i can report snap issues?
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• 2602[20:42:24] <somiaj> you could try, I'm unsure the best place. Maybe they can at least help. Also note if the issue is with the package it is outside of debian, if it is a bug with snapd (the actual tool), that could be reported to the debian BTS. I checked and didn't see anything releated to your issue though.
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• 2605[20:43:40] <wolfmoon|2> yeah i know its strange... did happen in Ubuntu also when i ran it.
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• 2662[21:11:07] <ZitZ> i'm trying to recompile an existing debian package, where in the source file are the dependencies stored?
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• 2664[21:11:20] <greycat> ZitZ: apt-get build-dep packagename
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• 2672[21:13:47] <ZitZ> greycat: one of the dependencies cannot be found. i want to change it, is that possible?
• 2673[21:14:19] <ZitZ> it's pointing to an old version of g++
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• 2675[21:14:39] <greycat> so, "recompile an existing debian package" doesn't seem like an accurate description here...
• 2676[21:14:53] <ZitZ> no it is, it's openjdk7
• 2677[21:15:01] <greycat> ,v openjdk7
• 2678[21:15:03] <judd> No package named 'openjdk7' was found in amd64.
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• 2680[21:15:23] <ZitZ> it doesn't exist in stretch, so i'm trying to "foward" port rather than backport
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• 2682[21:15:47] <greycat> judd goes back to wheezy
• 2683[21:16:53] <ZitZ> but it's available in jessie, but they skipped stretch for some reason
• 2684[21:17:07] <ZitZ> but i can't just use jessie because of other dependencies
• 2685[21:17:07] <greycat> Anyway, the makefile is debian/rules, and the explicitly *runtime* (binary) dependencies are listed in debian/control, but that won't have anything to do with building.
• 2686[21:17:26] <ZitZ> greycat: yeah, i know about the binary dependencies
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• 2688[21:17:28] <hypn0> isn't 8 in stretch?
• 2689[21:17:33] <greycat> oh wait, there's Build-Depends in there also, but again, that's mostly irrelevant for you
• 2690[21:17:50] <greycat> the actual *steps* are in the makefile which is named debian/rules
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• 2692[21:18:27] <greycat> hypn0: I gave up. He won't tell us.
• 2693[21:18:39] <ZitZ> hypn0: can't use 8 unless i upgrade the project i'm working on
• 2694[21:18:43] <ZitZ> it depends on7
• 2695[21:18:47] <greycat> it's all a fucking secret and if you care about helping him you will just end up broken and crying
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• 2697[21:18:48] <ZitZ> sorry didn't see your question
• 2698[21:19:44] <hypn0> but why not update you're project, I have to with new gambas versions :-)
• 2699[21:20:21] <ZitZ> hypno: it's work, it's out of my control. And my fear is, if i get a prod issue that I can't replicate, i won't be comparing apples to apples.
• 2700[21:20:33] <hypn0> I want bugfixes, not a buggy application
• 2701[21:20:35] <ZitZ> but you're right, it's probably worth doing
• 2702[21:21:02] <ZitZ> there may be other dependencies in the project that just don't work with 8, but i'll give it a try, that might be easier too.
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• 2704[21:21:35] <ZitZ> jboss might not like it
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• 2706[21:21:48] <ZitZ> i have to upgrade to wildfly
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• 2708[21:22:21] <stevendale> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Debian buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 476.9 MiB Total (374.9 MiB Free) Swap: 490.2 MiB Total (490.2 MiB Free) • Storage: 5.4 GB / 57.8 GB (52.3 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML Express Processor to DRAM Controller • Uptime
• 2709[21:22:21] <stevendale> : 1h 57m 14s
• 2710[21:22:28] <stevendale> I have to upgrade computers ZitZ
• 2711[21:23:09] <ZitZ> as a dev, i want to mirror production as closely as possible
• 2712[21:23:26] <epergny> who beats me with the most insecure Debian server: here's my uptime: 20:21:45 up 1842 days, 5:16, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.05, 0.06
• 2713[21:23:32] <epergny> at least its stable for sure ; )
• 2714[21:24:04] <greycat> epergny: what version of Debian?
• 2715[21:24:12] <epergny> greycat: don't remember, let me check
• 2716[21:24:36] <epergny> greycat: hmmm, custom OVH (hosting company where the dedicated server is) kernel. Wait...
• 2717[21:24:49] <greycat> cat /etc/debian_version
• 2718[21:24:57] <stevendale> or /etc/issue
• 2719[21:25:00] <epergny> greycat: lol, I know ; )
• 2720[21:25:17] <epergny> 7.11
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• 2723[21:25:27] <greycat> Pssht, you're not even in the race.
• 2724[21:25:31] <greycat> svr1a:~# cat /etc/debian_version ; uptime
• 2725[21:25:31] <greycat> 5.0.10
• 2726[21:25:31] <greycat> 15:24:36 up 638 days, 4:28, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.02
• 2727[21:25:51] <epergny> greycat: nice! but 1842 days of uptime though : )
• 2728[21:26:00] <greycat> Yeah, that's an impressive uptime.
• 2729[21:26:11] <greycat> But you're still getting LTS patches to all the userspace programs.
• 2730[21:26:28] <epergny> yup
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• 2732[21:27:03] <bites> for another three weeks :D
• 2733[21:27:08] <epergny> and there aren't that many ports open... It's not a very important box.
• 2734[21:27:10] <epergny> lol
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• 2772[21:50:19] <jhutchins_wk> WHy would systemd endlessly try to restart mysqld? Shouldn't it time out, or reach a retry count or something?
• 2773[21:51:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1556
• 2774[21:51:05] <greycat> you could slow it down with a RestartSec= option, if that's the issue
• 2775[21:51:24] <greycat> The real question is, why isn't it starting?
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• 2790[21:56:36] <jhutchins_wk> epergny: Five years isn't all that rare, we had one a little while ago that was 7+
• 2791[21:58:17] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Trying to import a pre-4.1 database with issues.
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• 2794[22:00:01] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: It's not an issue of speed, it's a problem in the data that it hits while it's tryng to boot, possibly because it ran out of disk at one point, possibly during an import and is missing something in the data.
• 2795[22:01:11] <jhutchins_wk> DBA keeps telling me he got it up and replicating, I keep logging in and finding it in a boot loop.
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• 2803[22:03:23] <greycat> Default RestartSec= is 100 milliseconds, it says. If you can't live with that, we can help you change it.
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• 2805[22:03:58] <Tech_8> hi
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• 2820[22:12:52] <karmavil> Hi people. Where should I mail if I need to contact with debsso group?
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• 2829[22:17:07] <epergny> jhutchins: 7 years, impressive!
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• 2835[22:19:17] <hypn0> or lazy :-)
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• 2837[22:20:33] <epergny> hypn0: oh yup in my case the 5+ years are kinda due to lazyness.
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• 2852[22:27:12] <jhutchins_wk> karmavil: I'm not sure many people here know what debsso is.
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• 2854[22:27:26] <jhutchins_wk> karmavil: What do you actually want to accomplish?
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• 2859[22:31:29] <meltingwax> where can i find the list of installed packages from a backup of a file system?
• 2860[22:31:43] <meltingwax> i want to install the previously installed packages on a new system
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• 2862[22:32:06] <karmavil> jhutchins_wk: thanks. I'm experiencing a 500 internal error with the server in every attempt to log in with Alioth in replaced-url
• 2863[22:32:15] <greycat> /var/lib/dpkg/status
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• 2865[22:32:52] <karmavil> I sent an email to the admin and he said me 'contact with +debsso gropu...'
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• 2867[22:33:48] <karmavil> This is the answer "+debsso group members who maintain the service."
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• 2878[22:42:08] <jhutchins_wk> karmavil: I would ask the admin how to contact them (surely he knows).
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• 2886[22:45:21] <Kevlar_Noir> hello
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• 2888[22:45:58] <karmavil> I bet he knows.. but after his poor answer I choosen try my lucky here. Thank you
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• 2890[22:46:36] <Kevlar_Noir> I have issues with fontconig-config
• 2891[22:46:55] <jhutchins_wk> karmavil: He may not have understood that you were having trouble with the debian sso service, not with the debian sso software.
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• 2893[22:47:10] <Kevlar_Noir> even with a reistallation the files in /etc/fonts/
• 2894[22:47:16] <Kevlar_Noir> are not created
• 2895[22:47:27] <jhutchins_wk> karmavil: You might get more help in one of the developer channels on oftc.net
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• 2899[22:48:28] <karmavil> Wonderful. Thank you jhutchins_wk
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• 2903[22:49:36] <Kevlar_Noir> I had this output Fontconfig error: failed reading config fileé
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• 2906[22:50:44] <Kevlar_Noir> I followed this resolution : replaced-url
• 2907[22:50:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2908[22:50:51] <Kevlar_Noir> but It didn't help
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• 2910[22:51:36] <Kevlar_Noir> I though that reinstalling "fontconfig-config" would write the missing files
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• 2913[22:51:53] <Kevlar_Noir> ah but. Do I need to run again fontconfig ?
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• 2915[22:52:40] <greycat> ,v munin
• 2916[22:52:41] <judd> Package: munin on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.6-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.0.6-4+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2.0.25-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.25-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.0.25-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 2.0.33-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0.33-1; stretch-backports: 2.0.37-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.0.37-1; sid: 2.0.37-1; experimental: 2.999.7-1
• 2917[22:52:55] <greycat> So ... this is a testing/unstable thing.
• 2918[22:53:12] <jhutchins_wk> !confmiss
• 2919[22:53:13] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 2921[22:55:37] <Kevlar_Noir> thank you
• 2922[22:56:41] <Kevlar_Noir> I was using synaptic
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• 2926[22:59:57] <natatrix> Hey there, I've set up a bouncer and I'm trying to know if it's working or not... How can I check that? Regards
• 2927[23:00:12] <Kevlar_Noir> that didn't work but I will do som searchs
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• 2930[23:01:14] <annadane> natatrix, er... bouncer for IRC? you're currently connected to #debian on freenode
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• 2933[23:01:35] <annadane> i probably misunderstood the question
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• 2935[23:02:05] <natatrix> rigth, so i'm wasted :D
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• 2939[23:03:23] <jelly> "bouncer" is irc slang for "proxy", but that answered their question anyway
• 2940[23:03:56] <jelly> usually application aware/application specific one
• 2941[23:04:00] <Kevlar_Noir> omg !! op_O
• 2942[23:04:08] <Kevlar_Noir> I was on the manjaro partition
• 2943[23:04:09] <jelly> ,i znc
• 2944[23:04:10] <judd> Package znc (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: advanced modular IRC bouncer. Version: 1.6.5-1; Size: 1416.3k; Installed: 5231k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2945[23:04:16] <Kevlar_Noir> lolll
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• 2948[23:04:54] <Kevlar_Noir> jhutchins_wk , dpkg , thank you the fix worked
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• 2957[23:11:34] <michael2> hi all. does anyone know how to show the filename for a font in 'font-manager'?
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• 2960[23:13:02] <SlidingHorn> michael2: I don't know how to show the exact filename, but if it's an installed font, you can usually find the file in /usr/share/fonts/
• 2961[23:14:13] <michael2> SlidingHorn: so basically you need to look for files that have a similar-ish name to what font manager is showing
• 2962[23:14:15] <michael2> ?
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• 2965[23:14:56] <SlidingHorn> michael2: typically it'll be almost exactly as shown in the font manager
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• 2971[23:16:47] <michael2> yeah, the file names to seem to be similar to what font-manager is showing
• 2972[23:16:58] <michael2> s/to/do
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• 2992[23:24:32] <meltingwax> greycat: thank you
• 2993[23:24:47] <meltingwax> not the perfect format but nothing grep and sed can't handle
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• 3015[23:34:19] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 3018[23:34:46] <Azrael_-> i just install postgresql. how can i access it? are there standard credentials set up?
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• 3031[23:42:32] <scwizard> oh man LOL
• 3032[23:42:41] <scwizard> that's a brutal way of putting things
• 3033[23:42:42] <scwizard> replaced-url
• 3034[23:42:53] <scwizard> "Alioth is broken, and there is nobody around to fix it. Don't ask the remaining people who give it life support to implement fixes and changes. It is being replaced by a cocktail of ?GitLab (see Salsa), read-only repos and keep-alive mechanisms. See below for more information."
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• 3038[23:44:08] <scwizard> salsa tho lets go
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• 3040[23:45:11] <scwizard> who would I talk to in order to volunteer as a maintainer for replaced-url
• 3041[23:45:19] <scwizard> it overlaps a lot with what I'm doing at work
• 3042[23:45:32] <scwizard> i wanna get CI working with it
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• 3044[23:46:14] <mutante> scwizard: replaced-url
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• 3046[23:47:37] <scwizard> wait hmm
• 3047[23:47:51] <scwizard> so debian has its own bug tracker
• 3048[23:48:00] <scwizard> but a lot of the cloud stuff doesn
• 3049[23:48:07] <scwizard> 't have a coresponding debian package
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• 3051[23:48:19] <jelly> scwizard: debian has a separate irc network, irc.debian.org (same as irc.oftc.net), maybe ask in #alioth over there
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• 3053[23:48:59] <scwizard> it's just it feels wrong to get continuous deployment set up for my fork of that
• 3054[23:49:03] <scwizard> but not share it back
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• 3056[23:50:27] <scwizard> i'll check on the debian irc next week
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• 3059[23:50:47] <scwizard> to figure out how to share my work on debian CD of vagrant boxes
• 3060[23:51:35] <scwizard> i don't have much of a history of open source contributions since i'm not much of a dev i'm a sysadmin/devops but this is exactly the sort of place i can help
• 3061[23:51:43] <shingouz> nodm
• 3062[23:51:45] <scwizard> especially since i've been using gitlab a lot for work recently
• 3063[23:51:55] <shingouz> oops, sorry
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• 3065[23:52:21] <mutante> thanks for doing that scwizard
• 3066[23:52:28] <scwizard> i haven't done it yet >_>
• 3067[23:52:30] <scwizard> but it's the plan
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• 3069[23:52:50] <scwizard> wish me luck lol
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