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• 7[00:13:46] <ectospasm> jolt: I had the same problem with screen on servers, about the memory leaks in GNU screen.
• 8[00:14:07] <ectospasm> My tmux sessions can last for years without issue.
• 9[00:14:26] <ectospasm> I typically have a session per topic, with their own histories and such.
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• 12[00:15:45] <rgwu> ectospasm: I'm with the shared session history, short lived terminal school of thinking. But if screen wants to leak 100x the 3.1 mb it's currently using, I won't care and likely won't notice.
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• 15[00:17:00] <ectospasm> I tend to grep through my history file a LOT to remember how I do certain tasks. I even wrote a script to save all those histories if I ever have to reboot the machine I have my tmux server on.
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• 18[00:17:13] <ectospasm> I can't fathom how I'd save all those histories with screen.
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• 20[00:18:09] <ectospasm> Like, I don't know how to send commands to screen's session, window, or pane. But in tmux it's easy.
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• 22[00:18:53] <ectospasm> We use fabric at work for orchestration, so I can save all of the histories and collect them all in one place.
• 23[00:19:10] <rgwu> I use an fzf bind on ctrl-r in bash. Takes all the pain out of searching my history.
• 24[00:19:58] <ectospasm> rgwu: I find that method doesn't alow for stuff like !N:gs/pattern/replacement/ when I can't remember which N I want.
• 25[00:20:21] <ectospasm> history | grep pattern always gives me the N, so that's what I use.
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• 40[00:36:07] <rgwu> ectospasm: With the fzf bind, you would just hit ctrl-r and then start typing the pattern.
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• 42[00:37:14] <ectospasm> rgwu: right, I never got into using the Ctrl-r for search, I never tried to use it really.
• 43[00:37:23] <ectospasm> whether it's fzf or what
• 44[00:37:57] <ectospasm> I'm happy with `history | grep`, since I use !N a lot. IIRC Ctrl-r searching doesn't usually give you this command number
• 45[00:38:57] <ectospasm> It's just a different paradigm for the same result. Not saying it's better or worse, I just don't use Ctrl-r
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• 51[00:41:30] <phogg> ectospasm: C-r is for "reverse search", in contrast with C-s for "Search." When you look at it like that it makes sense.
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• 76[01:04:10] <HelloShitty> Hello again. I need some help
• 77[01:04:30] <HelloShitty> I think I have a problem with one of my network interface
• 78[01:04:36] <dvs> Where's the $$$? lol
• 79[01:05:05] <HelloShitty> The other day I rebooted my laptop and I could see a message about not being able to bring the network interface up
• 80[01:05:11] <HelloShitty> but this was uring boot
• 81[01:05:18] <HelloShitty> s/uring/during
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• 83[01:05:35] <HelloShitty> Where can I check that message? I mean, in which logs can I find it?
• 84[01:06:26] <HelloShitty> I'm trying to setup a TPLink reapeater but seems that it can't obtain an IP address and now I tried to connect it to my laptop via rj45 cable but I can't even see my eth0 device
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• 86[01:07:49] <ectospasm> HelloShitty: you can check dmesg after boot, or /var/log/messages (or maybe /var/log/syslog). Or systemd/journalctl for your network service.
• 87[01:07:58] <HelloShitty> I can see this TPLink repeater next to my wireless connections. And it even show's like _0D5387 and _0D5387_1
• 88[01:08:10] <HelloShitty> but it can't connect to it
• 89[01:08:22] <HelloShitty> ok, let me check those ectospasm
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• 91[01:10:06] <HelloShitty> ectospasm: I find this:
• 92[01:10:08] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
• 93[01:10:26] <ectospasm> Don't use pastebin.com
• 94[01:10:32] <ectospasm> paste.debian.net is better.
• 95[01:11:14] <HelloShitty> sometimes debian paste says "do not spam" and just doesn't let me paste anything
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• 97[01:12:31] <ectospasm> You can also try ix.io
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• 99[01:13:49] <tinga> How can I get the list of transitive dependencies (i.e. all direct and indirect dependencies) of a package?
• 100[01:14:05] <tinga> (Without writing the recursion myself, I mean.)
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• 102[01:14:44] <HelloShitty> ectospasm: but did you see the pastebin ?
• 103[01:14:49] <HelloShitty> Can you help me with it?
• 104[01:14:54] <ectospasm> HelloShitty: pastebin is riddled with malware, so no
• 105[01:15:05] <ectospasm> and adware
• 106[01:15:16] <ectospasm> !paste
• 107[01:15:16] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 109[01:15:37] <ectospasm> You can also use gist.github.com, if that's your thing
• 110[01:15:55] <ectospasm> I'm sure GitLab has something similar.
• 111[01:16:11] <ectospasm> I have my own git repository for pastes.
• 112[01:16:19] <ectospasm> which I rarely use
• 113[01:16:58] <HelloShitty> I'll try ix.io
• 114[01:17:37] <milkt> tinga: $ apt-cache depends --recurse --no-recommends --no-suggests --no-conflicts --no-breaks --no-replaces --no-enhances --no-pre-depends <package> | grep "^\w"
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• 116[01:19:06] <tinga> milkt, thanks! (Why does the man page not mention under "depends" that there's the --recurse option... sure the man page mentions it elsewhere. Shrug.)
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• 120[01:25:56] <HelloShitty> ectospasm: replaced-url
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• 123[01:27:40] <ectospasm> HelloShitty: so what are you trying to do, again? Connect to a TPLink repeater?
• 124[01:28:29] <HelloShitty> I was trying to connect this TPLink repeater
• 125[01:28:40] <HelloShitty> but it just oesn't connect via wireless
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• 127[01:28:48] <HelloShitty> so I tried to connect it via cable
• 128[01:29:00] <HelloShitty> but then I remembered that I ha that network problem uring boot
• 129[01:29:24] <HelloShitty> so I was trying to find that network error in the files you mentioned and I found that
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• 131[01:30:10] <ectospasm> Those messages are NetworkManager unable to bring up your "Wired connection 1"
• 132[01:30:27] <ectospasm> HelloShitty: drop to a terminal, do `ip link` does your Ethernet device show there?
• 133[01:30:35] <HelloShitty> sorry, but 'd' key is almost dead and if I don't press it hard, it just fails
• 134[01:30:46] <HelloShitty> let me try that
• 135[01:31:04] <HelloShitty> nope
• 136[01:31:13] <sussudio> so clean underneath the key
• 137[01:31:26] <HelloShitty> That's what I was saying when I came here
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• 140[01:31:39] <HelloShitty> sussudio: that's what got my key almost dead
• 141[01:31:54] <HelloShitty> this keyboard is hard to take keys out
• 142[01:32:07] <sussudio> get a keypuller
• 143[01:32:12] <HelloShitty> but I want to try to fix this problem with wired connection first
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• 145[01:33:09] <HelloShitty> I just get this: 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP>, 2: enp3s0f2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> and 3: wlp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
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• 148[01:35:17] <sussudio> "eth0 is too easy, let's call it enp3s0f2 instead." reminds me of that IT crowd commcerial for emergency services.
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• 150[01:36:05] <HelloShitty> So enp3s0f2 is my network device formerly known as eth0?
• 151[01:36:17] <sussudio> i'm guessing yes
• 152[01:36:33] <sussudio> either that, or an incantation of some sort.
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• 156[01:40:30] <velix> Is syslog on Debian a real file?
• 157[01:42:14] <HelloShitty> I think I need to reboot my latop because I can't find the message about network failing to bring the device up
• 158[01:42:19] <HelloShitty> brb
• 159[01:43:22] <sussudio> dmesg?
• 160[01:43:41] <HelloShitty> I guess it's not ling enough
• 161[01:43:48] <HelloShitty> I don't reboot my laptop everyday
• 162[01:44:04] <HelloShitty> I think this laptop stays up for weeks sometimes
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• 171[01:51:10] <bleb> question about debian's package policy
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• 173[01:51:50] <bleb> is there any policy against unmaintained code?
• 174[01:52:03] <HelloShitty> ectospasm: I found that networking.service fails to start
• 175[01:52:34] <HelloShitty> during boot I see [FAILED] Failed to start Raise network inteerfaces
• 176[01:53:08] <HelloShitty> then I ran `systemctl status networking.service` and I get: Process: 896 ExecStart=/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
• 177[01:53:50] <bleb> afaik berkeley db 5.3 is an old version, kept around for licensing reasons
• 178[01:53:55] <bleb> replaced-url
• 179[01:54:10] <HelloShitty> If I run `ifup -a` I get: Cannot find device "eth0"
• 180[01:54:11] <bleb> i guess the debian maintainers have decided to take on the maintenance burden, an apply patches?
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• 183[01:54:31] <HelloShitty> Failed to get interface index: No such device
• 184[01:54:42] <HelloShitty> ifup: failed to bring up eth0
• 185[01:54:49] <HelloShitty> What can I do about this?
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• 190[01:59:35] <mentor> HelloShitty: Edit /etc/network/interfaces?
• 191[02:00:21] <HelloShitty> mentor: to replace eth0 by the other name?
• 192[02:00:44] <mentor> HelloShitty: Yes?
• 193[02:01:04] <HelloShitty> I tried `ifup enp3s0f2`and it says it can't fin that device
• 194[02:01:25] <sussudio> is the driver loaded
• 195[02:01:41] <mentor> HelloShitty: What network interfaces do you have?
• 196[02:02:29] <HelloShitty> As far as I know is only this ethernet and an wireless card on my laptop
• 197[02:02:53] <mentor> HelloShitty: I meant more from the kernel's current point of view
• 198[02:03:01] <HelloShitty> but in /etc/network/interfaces, it's eth0 that I see there...
• 199[02:03:15] <HelloShitty> How can I see that?
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• 202[02:03:24] <sussudio> ifconfig
• 203[02:03:40] <mentor> HelloShitty: ifconfig -a is traditional
• 204[02:03:45] <HelloShitty> ah ok
• 205[02:04:12] <HelloShitty> I have the 3 I mentioned before
• 206[02:04:12] <mentor> HelloShitty: You could probably also look in /sys, or call nmcli
• 207[02:04:43] <mentor> HelloShitty: So, you need to use those
• 208[02:04:57] <HelloShitty> Let me paste here again: enp3s0f2: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>, lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING> and wlp4s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>
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• 211[02:06:09] <mentor> HelloShitty: You said ifup enp3s0f2 didn't work; is ifup configured for enp3s0f2?
• 212[02:06:50] <HelloShitty> nmcli says: enp3s0f2: connecting (getting IP configuration) to Wired connection 1
• 213[02:07:03] <HelloShitty> "Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411"
• 214[02:07:13] <HelloShitty> ethernet (r8169), 00:90:F5:D2:7D:56, hw, mtu 1500
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• 216[02:07:40] <mentor> What're you plugged into?
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• 218[02:08:10] <HelloShitty> In this enp3s0f2 device?
• 219[02:08:16] <HelloShitty> It's the TPLink repeater
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• 221[02:08:44] <HelloShitty> but at boot time I get that error that says it can't start network service up
• 222[02:09:00] <sussudio> wait, is that a wired or wireless repeater
• 223[02:09:00] <HelloShitty> So, I think there is something wrong prior to configuring the device, no?
• 224[02:09:22] <HelloShitty> sussudio: it is wireless but it has an rj45 plug too
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• 226[02:09:48] <sussudio> HelloShitty: i'm pretty sure it should be plugged into your router...
• 227[02:09:57] <mentor> I think the network device is not fully configured yet?
• 228[02:10:09] <HelloShitty> mentor: I think that is the case
• 229[02:10:21] <HelloShitty> but I don't know why it got unconfigured in the first place
• 230[02:10:46] <HelloShitty> I installed my debian a few months ago and I never messed with network configs since then
• 231[02:10:52] <mentor> HelloShitty: It gets IP configuration via DHCP every time it is plugged in
• 232[02:11:00] <mentor> That's what it means
• 233[02:11:29] <HelloShitty> yes, but at boot time I get the [FAILED] error.
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• 235[02:11:38] <HelloShitty> So, something is wrong since there, I guess
• 236[02:12:46] <HelloShitty> Might it be missing any firmware from Realtek?
• 237[02:12:46] <sussudio> you're saying this setup with the repeater worked before?
• 238[02:13:04] <HelloShitty> no, I tried it in the past but never got it working
• 239[02:13:28] <HelloShitty> it's a bit old repeater TPLink tl-wa850re
• 240[02:13:30] <sussudio> like i said, i'm sure the rj45 should plug into your router.
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• 242[02:14:02] <mentor> It might be a wireless repeater with a local thernet port
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• 244[02:14:06] <HelloShitty> yes, I understand, but it should be able to connect via wireless and I can't get that working either
• 245[02:14:18] <sussudio> maybe read the manual to be sure.
• 246[02:14:20] <HelloShitty> that's why I tried the rj45 cable
• 247[02:14:37] <mentor> I suspect if the repeater isn't set up prperly, it won't be providing iP configuration
• 248[02:14:42] <HelloShitty> The wireless connection should work as is
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• 251[02:15:15] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
• 252[02:15:29] <HelloShitty> they say here to connect the repeater to the PC
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• 254[02:15:52] <sussudio> for configuration?
• 255[02:16:07] <HelloShitty> to be able to access it via web interface
• 256[02:16:24] <HelloShitty> but since my ethernet card seems not to be working properly
• 257[02:16:35] <HelloShitty> then, I can't access it via web interface
• 258[02:17:31] <sussudio> you should just connect the laptop to the router directly to see if that works.
• 259[02:17:48] <HelloShitty> that works
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• 261[02:17:59] <HelloShitty> or at least, it worked in the past
• 262[02:18:17] <sussudio> an update could have messed with your networking
• 263[02:18:56] <HelloShitty> I'm trying
• 264[02:18:57] <HelloShitty> and yes
• 265[02:19:00] <HelloShitty> it works
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• 267[02:19:06] <sussudio> i saw something scroll by last week when i updated about changed interface names
• 268[02:19:23] <HelloShitty> At least I just got a notification on my laptop saying "You are connected to blabla"
• 269[02:19:32] <sussudio> and how the default was to use classic names like eth0
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• 272[02:21:05] <HelloShitty> well, it's working
• 273[02:21:06] <HelloShitty> enp3s0f2: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.114
• 274[02:21:16] <HelloShitty> This is from `ifconfig`
• 275[02:21:28] <sussudio> can you access the internet now
• 276[02:21:34] <HelloShitty> so, it got an IP after I connect the RJ45 cable from the latop to the router
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• 278[02:22:01] <HelloShitty> I have both Wired an wireless connections active, I guess
• 279[02:22:21] <HelloShitty> and if you can see my messages here, then I think internet is working
• 280[02:22:33] <HelloShitty> but I can try to disconnect from wireless connection
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• 282[02:22:39] <HelloShitty> and try to open some site
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• 288[02:30:54] <HelloShitty> Did I went down?
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• 290[02:31:22] <dvs> yup
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• 295[02:35:07] <dannylee> DEbian is 3x better than fedora...with deian machine i do all my update for 2 weeks...then when my machine is working i disable new up dates...then i know that my machine is perfect...i switch too debian because fedora doent like hackers...it just IBM that get in the way of fedora..debian is much better than i though...emacs terminal is great...
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• 297[02:35:54] <n4dir> disable new updates?
• 298[02:36:52] <dannylee> ok i cant spell..it my new keyboard
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• 301[02:38:02] <HelloShitty> Again?
• 302[02:38:19] <dvs> yup
• 303[02:38:25] <HelloShitty> Is this me? OR is the IRC network itself?
• 304[02:38:37] <HelloShitty> ok
• 305[02:38:47] <dvs> ping timeout
• 306[02:38:55] <HelloShitty> I need to fix this problem of networking.service failing to start
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• 309[02:42:49] <HelloShitty> It's not recognizing eth0 neither enp3s0f2
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• 349[03:23:46] <Devastator> can I go from wheezy straight to buster?
• 350[03:23:55] <dvs> no
• 351[03:25:25] <Devastator> wheezy to ... to buster?
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• 353[03:26:56] <dvs> wheezy->jessie->buster. YOu can't skip major versions
• 354[03:27:22] <Devastator> ok, will do
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• 358[03:30:49] <adapt> what desktop environment do you prefer/recommend for a home user/primary every day driver?
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• 360[03:31:06] <dvs> !start a dm war
• 361[03:31:06] <dpkg> startx is the one true way!
• 362[03:31:12] <dvs> pfft!
• 363[03:32:10] <n4dir> a dm not really being a DE though ...
• 364[03:32:34] <n4dir> isn't there an according other war going on?
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• 366[03:33:48] <n4dir> adapt: that really depends a lot on what you expect from a DE or WM
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• 370[03:36:58] <Devastator> dvs thank you, I've dust off an old laptop with wheezy, upgrading to jessie will take a while, hopefully it goes smooth, it is rather old..
• 371[03:39:37] <sussudio> put a ssd in there if it has sata
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• 373[03:40:22] <dvs> Devastator: oh, I forgot about stretch. It might be easier to reinstall buster from stretch
• 374[03:41:05] <Devastator> so wheezy->stretch->jessie->buster?
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• 376[03:41:23] <dvs> wheezy->jessie->stretch->buster
• 377[03:41:44] <Devastator> ok
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• 448[06:07:54] <sklav> Hi guys just an FYI but it seems the ssl certificate on replaced-url
• 449[06:08:43] <sklav> might scare people away when they see a warning page about the certificate.
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• 454[06:14:54] <themill> sklav: oops. Have passed that one on. Thanks.
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• 456[06:15:22] <sklav> np
• 457[06:16:02] <themill> I imagine there are two problems here... why did the automation fail, and why did the monitoring not scream.
• 458[06:18:19] <Devastator> letsencrypt?
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• 460[06:19:49] <themill> yes
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• 489[07:18:28] <petrj> `docker run -it i386/debian uname -m` gives `x86_64` and a warning. is it expected or do we need to enable something else to make it return i386/i686 etc.?
• 490[07:18:49] <petrj> `WARNING: The requested image's platform (linux/386) does not match the detected host platform (linux/amd64) and no specific platform was requested`
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• 505[07:44:13] <aminvakil> petrj: your host returns x86_64
• 506[07:44:32] <aminvakil> well, they have left...
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• 527[08:30:16] <strk> any idea how to find out what's using the network ?
• 528[08:30:33] <strk> the "resources monitor" shows activity, but how to tell who's responsible for that activity ?
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• 536[08:34:37] <korbinian> could the package maintainers stop spreading out updats across all of the days at the rate of 1, 2 reboot-inducing packages per day
• 537[08:34:47] <korbinian> doing nothing else for a week now almost
• 538[08:35:21] <korbinian> and i'm fucking tired of it by now
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• 540[08:37:07] <aminvakil> korbinian: what are you suggesting here?
• 541[08:37:41] <aminvakil> prevent including updates for kernel and stuff just because you can't have a plan for rebooting your server?
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• 544[08:39:50] <korbinian> aminvakil: delaying 10.8 for 5 days to have that all in that would've been an option
• 545[08:40:00] <korbinian> it has become a complete chore
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• 547[08:40:34] <aminvakil> update your system 5 days after a major release
• 548[08:40:42] <korbinian> oh god
• 549[08:40:46] <korbinian> go where you came from
• 550[08:40:51] <korbinian> and dont speak to me
• 551[08:42:58] <milkt> so what is your problem
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• 557[08:50:36] <strk> korbinian: disable automatic upgrades
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• 574[09:19:16] <dokma> My mouse scroll wheel just stopped working. xev generates scroll events normally. How do I figure out what xorg does with the scroll events?
• 575[09:19:41] <dokma> I'm using dwm but have changed nothing since yesterday when the power went out.
• 576[09:20:56] <dokma> I do have Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
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• 578[09:21:49] <dokma> I've also done cat /dev/input/event3 to check that event3 really is the mouse device and it is which is also, I think, verified by all the clicks and pointer working.
• 579[09:22:00] <dokma> Only the scroll wheel stopped working.
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• 585[09:30:28] <dokma> Hmmm... under st (simple terminall from suckless) when I scroll up I get previous commands. So scroll partially works. But can't scroll in qutebrowser at all or any other X app.
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• 621[10:18:11] <aminvakil> i wanted to disable installing recommended and suggested packages in debian buster by default, so i created a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d called 99recommend with these lines:
• 622[10:18:12] <aminvakil> APT::Get::Install-Recommends "false";
• 623[10:18:12] <aminvakil> APT::Get::Install-Suggests "false";
• 624[10:18:18] <aminvakil> is this fine?
• 625[10:18:47] <aminvakil> i also want to purge by default, but i'm not sure how can i achieve this?
• 626[10:20:29] <rudi_s> aminvakil: I think it's just Apt::Install-Recommends "false";
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• 628[10:20:39] <aminvakil> i was wrong, i should have changed it to APT::Install-Recommends "false";
• 629[10:20:40] <rudi_s> Suggests is already the default. No idea how to purge per default.
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• 634[10:22:11] <aminvakil> yes, but i would set it to false anyway
• 635[10:23:04] <aminvakil> i can't anything regarding purge in apt-config dump output too
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• 643[10:33:10] <ectospasm> aminvakil: what do you want to automatically purge? I don't understand the use case.
• 644[10:33:54] <aminvakil> i don't want the configuration files to remain if i want a package
• 645[10:34:18] <n4dir> i think you really just use purge, as in apt-get purge or apt purge
• 646[10:34:22] <aminvakil> s/if i want a package/if i wanted to remoev package
• 647[10:34:46] <aminvakil> so you're suggesting not to make it default? just use purge whenever i want to purge?
• 648[10:35:02] <n4dir> if you want it default, then just use it all the time.
• 649[10:35:08] <ectospasm> what do you mean "make it default"? purge != remove
• 650[10:35:14] <n4dir> i am not sure, i think thats how it is
• 651[10:35:26] <n4dir> i mean use the word purge instead of the word remove
• 652[10:35:39] <n4dir> apt-get remove ding versus apt-get purge ding
• 653[10:35:46] <ectospasm> They're two distinct actions.
• 654[10:35:54] <n4dir> and you want the latter, no?
• 655[10:35:59] <ectospasm> If you always want to purge, then `apt purge`
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• 657[10:36:17] <ectospasm> And be satisfied when the configuration files you say you no longer want disappear.
• 658[10:36:37] <aminvakil> fine, thanks! ectospasm n4dir
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• 660[10:37:56] <n4dir> fun fact: ding indeed is an installable software. :-)
• 661[10:38:38] <n4dir> easy to be found with apt, but lots of fun hunting for it with a searchengine
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• 756[13:45:05] <metbsd> Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused
• 757[13:45:09] <metbsd> everytime apt update
• 758[13:46:06] <metbsd> is it about dbus?
• 759[13:46:10] <metbsd> but it's already started
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• 765[13:52:02] <abrotman> metbsd: perhaps use a pastebin to show us the command you're using and the full output
• 766[13:52:58] <metbsd> replaced-url
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• 771[13:54:07] <abrotman> metbsd: try commenting out the unofficial sources
• 772[13:54:45] <metbsd> tried that
• 773[13:54:47] <metbsd> same
• 774[13:54:57] <metbsd> unofficla , you mean plex and docker?
• 775[13:55:15] <metbsd> they are actually official
• 776[13:55:18] <metbsd> but if you say so
• 777[13:55:53] <abrotman> They are not Debian repos ..
• 778[13:56:25] <metbsd> ok
• 779[13:57:11] <metbsd> same error
• 780[13:57:31] <metbsd> it's not that
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• 783[13:59:27] <abrotman> metbsd: pastebin your sources.list and your sources.list.d
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• 785[13:59:41] <metbsd> no
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• 787[14:00:30] <abrotman> okay
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• 790[14:02:41] <metbsd> replaced-url
• 791[14:03:27] <metbsd> it just doesn't say what it's trying to connecting
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• 793[14:04:48] <abrotman> metbsd: you could try strace or ltrace to get some further informatoin
• 794[14:05:04] <metbsd> how do i do that please
• 795[14:05:21] <abrotman> install them, read the docs. They're not complicated
• 796[14:06:35] <abrotman> Though, you may not be able to install them?
• 797[14:06:53] <metbsd> right
• 798[14:07:12] <abrotman> and you still won't paste your sources?
• 799[14:07:51] <metbsd> you see the apt update poste?
• 800[14:07:56] <metbsd> those are sources
• 801[14:08:20] <metbsd> you mean apt will update unshown hiddent source?
• 802[14:08:28] <metbsd> secretly?
• 803[14:09:10] <oxek> metbsd: are you using docker?
• 804[14:09:24] <oxek> I have the issue that internet connectivity is sporadic in a docker container
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• 806[14:09:34] <metbsd> yes i disalbed it just now
• 807[14:09:36] <oxek> just run `apt update` 5 times and it will evenutally work
• 808[14:09:49] <metbsd> i ran like 20 times now
• 809[14:10:48] <oxek> are you running `apt update` inside the container or outside?
• 810[14:11:23] <metbsd> out
• 811[14:11:26] <metbsd> host
• 812[14:11:34] <metbsd> _ docker.service - Docker Application Container Engine
• 813[14:11:35] <metbsd> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/docker.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
• 814[14:11:52] <metbsd> alreit's inactive
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• 816[14:12:05] <oxek> oh then I don't know. I have issues inside container.
• 817[14:12:20] <metbsd> what issue you have
• 818[14:12:48] <oxek> that internet only works one out of five times, so I have to run every apt/curl/... multiple times
• 819[14:13:08] <metbsd> what network mode
• 820[14:13:21] <oxek> bridge
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• 822[14:13:54] <oxek> I could probably fix it by using official docker instead of the version in debian
• 823[14:13:57] <metbsd> "that internet" you mean inside container ?
• 824[14:14:03] <oxek> yes, inside
• 825[14:14:15] <metbsd> what you tyring to do actually with that container
• 826[14:14:27] <oxek> things that docker was not designed for
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• 828[14:14:41] <oxek> but does what I want it to do
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• 830[14:15:21] <oxek> Docker is all about Dockerfiles, layers, one service per container, mounting volumes, ephemeral, ... but I do other things with it
• 831[14:15:21] <metbsd> that's default, it connects to your docker0
• 832[14:15:45] <metbsd> like what
• 833[14:15:48] <metbsd> i'm curious
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• 835[14:16:42] <metbsd> i'm actually learning docker too
• 836[14:17:02] <metbsd> just for learning
• 837[14:17:14] <oxek> anyway, the last time I got 'connection refused' in apt was when I was behind a captive portal, and when I wasn't using https repositories and my ISP was a pain
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• 839[14:18:20] <metbsd> i'm now on wsl2 debian, apt gets no error
• 840[14:18:28] <metbsd> i think it has something to do with dbus
• 841[14:18:35] <oxek> oh I use docker to have multiple distros, and multiple versions of distros to do things. But I start with just downloading the image, and then I never `docker pull`, and I keep using the same container for a long time. Hence completely unsupported by docker.
• 842[14:19:02] <metbsd> but you can't run a container without image
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• 844[14:19:10] <metbsd> so you MUST have pulled
• 845[14:19:22] <oxek> I mean i don't use pull to update the image ever
• 846[14:19:41] <oxek> My containers are far larger than the images they were based on initially
• 847[14:19:49] <metbsd> ohh you mean you pull an old distro and keep updating it
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• 849[14:20:01] <metbsd> but why
• 850[14:20:01] <oxek> yes, something like that
• 851[14:20:23] <metbsd> you use it like a vm
• 852[14:20:31] <oxek> yeah, I use it like a VM
• 853[14:20:35] <metbsd> it's really not though
• 854[14:20:46] <oxek> I should probably be using LXC for this, but already have docker working
• 855[14:20:49] <metbsd> i'd rather use vm
• 856[14:20:54] <metbsd> if i wanna use docker like that
• 857[14:21:18] <metbsd> you know all those images, are not completed
• 858[14:21:34] <metbsd> they are just for running apps only
• 859[14:21:40] <metbsd> not a full os
• 860[14:21:41] <oxek> I fully know I'm using docker wrong. But it works.
• 861[14:22:02] <metbsd> i did those things in the beginning too
• 862[14:22:08] <metbsd> and i gave up
• 863[14:22:15] <metbsd> need to set too much environment
• 864[14:22:20] <metbsd> pointless
• 865[14:22:34] <metbsd> some of them needs modules
• 866[14:22:51] <metbsd> just not worth it
• 867[14:23:31] <metbsd> and sysctl, cap, etc
• 868[14:23:39] <metbsd> you need to do them all to make it a full os
• 869[14:24:27] <metbsd> to me best part of docker is their python scripts docker-compose
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• 875[14:32:34] <ychaouche> yo #debian
• 876[14:33:16] <ychaouche> I just noticed that geoip-database is installed on a new install. I didn't install geoiplookup. I was wondering what other package of this new system was using geoip-database ?
• 877[14:33:19] <ychaouche> just curious
• 878[14:35:05] <koollman> ychaouche: apt rdepends geoip-database
• 879[14:36:01] <koollman> this will list packages that recommends or depends on geoip-database. If one of them is installed, you'll know why geoip is there
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• 882[14:37:55] <ychaouche> are circular dependencies common ?
• 883[14:38:17] <ychaouche> I get geoip-database rdepends libgeoip and vice-versa
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• 885[14:39:34] <ychaouche> I think it could be bind9-host that installed it
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• 887[14:42:30] <taman> ychaouche, they're mutual 'recommends' though, not 'depends', I don't think that counts as a circularity.
• 888[14:42:47] <taman> Arguably 'rdepends' is overstating things.
• 889[14:43:38] <ychaouche> oh yes, forgot about recommendations already ^^'
• 890[14:43:46] <ychaouche> very short attention span
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• 893[14:48:47] <ychaouche> hum... can't find rdepends in the man page of apt
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• 896[14:50:20] <tomreyn> ychaouche: apt-cache(8)
• 897[14:50:31] <ychaouche> oh, ok
• 898[14:54:32] <oxek> isn't geoip-database dead?
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• 902[15:00:35] <tomreyn> their v1 api is, v2 isnt
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• 911[15:03:23] <tomreyn> s/api/sdk, db format, update mechanism/
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• 918[15:10:27] <oxek> but you need a (paid?) account now in order to get the db, and can't redistribute it can you?
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• 927[15:16:44] <donavan01> what is a good PDF editor or at least a program that will let me mark up PDFs
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• 932[15:18:56] <ychaouche> what is PDF markup ?
• 933[15:19:17] <ychaouche> is it like changing some metadata ?
• 934[15:21:06] <ychaouche> or is it like adding highlighting, circle things and other graphic markups
• 935[15:23:28] <ychaouche> if graphic elements then I like okular
• 936[15:23:49] <donavan01> thanks
• 937[15:24:13] <donavan01> markup ... marking on the PDFs hightlights adding words etc
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• 939[15:25:29] <ychaouche> what's your desktop environement ?
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• 964[15:58:32] <hendursaga> why not wget2? :P
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• 1041[17:39:10] <menace> is there any cicd solution (jenkins isn't) packaged for debian stable?
• 1042[17:39:25] <menace> and in debian main / contrib / non-free?
• 1043[17:42:55] <azeem> gitlab is in buster-backports, but that's probably also too heavyweight to count as a cicd solution
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• 1048[17:47:24] <azeem> eh, it's in stretch-backports, so scratch that
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• 1051[17:50:29] <azeem> menace: also, why is jenkins not a cicd solution?
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• 1065[18:01:59] <menace> fu, i always forget to look into backports. and jenkins is a cicd solution, but not packaged for stable main/contrib/non-free as far as i see
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• 1071[18:06:30] <azeem> all those packages are confusing
• 1072[18:07:10] <azeem> but yeah, looks liek
• 1073[18:07:13] <azeem> like*
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• 1081[18:19:26] <azeem> btw, due to the above I learnt about replaced-url
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• 1089[18:29:48] <Devastator> I'm trying to make an old VIA VN896 work, I've searched and I have to disable other framebuffer drivers, but /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf is missing, isn't it generated somewhere?
• 1090[18:29:49] <velix> Will the next Debian still use rsyslog or switch to journald?
• 1091[18:32:14] <petn-randall> velix: So far it's using rsyslog by default, but you can configure persistent journald easily and remove rsylog if you want.
• 1092[18:32:46] <velix> petn-randall: Okay, just was curious because #rsyslog is damn low traffic here (and elsewere). it's often a sign of a dying project.
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• 1094[18:33:42] <petn-randall> velix: Sometimes things just work really well, and thus don't get a lot of support questions.
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• 1096[18:34:02] <velix> petn-randall: True.
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• 1098[18:34:24] <velix> Thanks for the information.
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• 1129[19:11:09] <TRS-80> Good day, fellow wizards!
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• 1132[19:13:14] <TRS-80> I am re-vamping my personal dotfile install script. Previously I would check if a package was installed, before installing it. But apt-get install is already idempotent. I am struggling to come up with a situation where the (much simpler) apt-get install might be a problem?
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• 1135[19:14:20] <TRS-80> replaced-url
• 1136[19:14:28] <TRS-80> for example
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• 1139[19:20:21] <Mister00X> TRS-80: even though apt is not reccomended in scripts maybe you want something like apt list --installed <package>
• 1140[19:20:31] <maxrazer> Does ayone know how to play a DVD-Audio disc on Debian?
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• 1146[19:22:58] <TRS-80> Mister00X: Well there are many ways to check (and I used to check) but I am thinking now that checking is not necessary at all. My question was more like "what's wrong with not checking?" as apt-get install can be run over and over (idempotent).
• 1147[19:23:11] <TRS-80> maxrazer: It should "just work"
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• 1149[19:23:31] <TRS-80> maxrazer: Or were you looking for some software recommendation?
• 1150[19:23:40] <Devastator> I have an old laptop with Core2Duo T5300 and 1GB of RAM, it had Debian Wheezy on it but wireless wasn't connecting to any network, so I've decided to upgrade and now it can't start X properly, should I try a clean install of Buster or don't even try it?
• 1151[19:23:41] <maxrazer> I tried VLC. The menu works, but I can't get the content to play beyond that. It is a DVD-Audio disc, not a CD-Audio or DVD-Video disc.
• 1152[19:23:51] <Mister00X> TRS-80: Every package that is allready installed will in my opinion be marked as manually installed
• 1153[19:24:15] <maxrazer> I need to know what software works if any.
• 1154[19:24:35] <TRS-80> Mister00X: Right. But if these are packages which I am explicitly telling to install, I don't see any problem with that.
• 1155[19:24:56] <TRS-80> maxrazer: OK, so maybe try some others then. mpv maybe?
• 1156[19:25:12] <maxrazer> I tried SMPlayer with MPV as the engine.
• 1157[19:25:26] <TRS-80> Why not just plain mpv?
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• 1159[19:25:42] <TRS-80> at least for troubleshooting, anyway
• 1160[19:25:50] <maxrazer> I don't know how to open a disc with MPV, just a file. SMPlayer has an open disc feature and other features.
• 1161[19:25:50] <Mister00X> TRS-80: well I'm clearly no expert on that special case but I don't think it will do anything unexpected that way
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• 1163[19:26:42] <TRS-80> Mister00X: Well that's sort of what I was thinking, I figure I will do it, unless I get lucky and someone warns me otherwise of some obscure scenario here in the next fee minutes. lol
• 1164[19:27:29] <TRS-80> maxrazer: Yeah, good point. I dunno man. I would just keep trying different software. Or search Internet for "DVD-Audio Debian" or even "DVD-Audio Linux"
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• 1169[19:29:09] <TRS-80> Devastator: You could try a Live CD (or USB stick) if you maybe want to do a less invasive test?
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• 1173[19:29:38] <TRS-80> Devastator: Although I would not expect Wi-Fi to work there (many Wi-Fi drivers are non-free).
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• 1176[19:30:17] <TRS-80> Devastator: What model laptop? I have a number of old ThinkPads, but those have always been well supported in GNU/Linux.
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• 1178[19:30:34] <Devastator> it is a Clevo M540/M550
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• 1180[19:31:06] <Mister00X> Devastator: If you want to try it whit an live image you could use one of the unofficial images which contain the non-free firmware
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• 1182[19:31:15] <TRS-80> ^ or that
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• 1184[19:31:38] * TRS-80 just uses an Ethernet cable instead ;)
• 1185[19:31:59] <Mister00X> Well USB-Thetering is also an option
• 1186[19:32:19] <Mister00X> provided one has an android phone
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• 1193[19:43:07] <Devastator> Mister00X which WM would you try in my case? cinnamon? lxde? lxqt? xfce? mate?
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• 1195[19:44:21] <Mister00X> Devastator: Well Im an KDE guy but I really dont know how old this laptop is, if it's old I would go wit lxqt or xfce
• 1196[19:44:34] <Devastator> it is oooold
• 1197[19:44:41] <Devastator> xfce it is..
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• 1209[19:56:49] <urk> What the exact channel name for Debian social?
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• 1211[19:59:06] <ilmostro> I'm trying to create a custom, internal package that populates "/root/.ssh/authorized_keys2" and provides a cron job to query for updates. The resulting file resets permissions to default 644. The documentation seems to suggest that users' dot files should be placed in "/etc/skel/" first. Alternatively, it seems that I may be able to use dpkg-statoverride to force file permissions, but I don't
• 1212[19:59:08] <ilmostro> see how to make use of that within a debian build process.
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• 1214[19:59:54] <ilmostro> any thoughts, hints, links to references would be appreciated. Thank you
• 1215[20:01:02] <Devastator> urk iirc ##debian-offtopic
• 1216[20:02:55] <oxek> ilmostro: dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 0755 /path/to/file
• 1217[20:02:59] <oxek> modify as needed
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• 1219[20:03:42] <oxek> it might be possible to have it a part of post-inst in the package, but usually I'd just run that on the machine first before installing anything (maybe as part of the installation script)
• 1220[20:04:08] <urk> Devastator> thanks
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• 1223[20:04:18] <oxek> list the overrides with `dpkg-statoverride --list`
• 1224[20:05:11] <ilmostro> oxek: hmm, ok. Thank you very much. I wasn't sure if I should use something like "debina/packagname.statoverride", but that doesn't seem to have the intended effect
• 1225[20:05:22] <ilmostro> s/debina/debian/
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• 1230[20:10:57] <oxek> ilmostro: I'm not an expert at this, just passing on my experience of successfully using dpkg-statoverride command to do something similar to what you're trying to do
• 1231[20:11:26] <oxek> the great thing about this channel is that if you wait long enough, someone will eventually come along and tell you you're wrong and show you the right way of doing it :D
• 1232[20:11:54] <oxek> wasn't it some "internet rule" that the best way to get info is to say something wrong and wait for someone to correct you?
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• 1234[20:14:04] <ilmostro> haha, well, I've always appreciated any constructive criticism. :D Even if/when it may sound harsh at times
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• 1237[20:15:23] <oxek> in that case, maybe one more "criticism": it's usually not a good idea to create packages that modify files in /home or /root
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• 1239[20:15:38] <oxek> as part of the package installation
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• 1249[20:21:05] <ilmostro> yeah, I see that mentioned in the documents. I assume that would be for publicly availabel packages. This is an internal package intended for new system setups
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• 1252[20:21:47] <ilmostro> as an optional way to add the authorized_keys2 file
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• 1254[20:22:25] <ilmostro> I may be missing some other reasons as to why that's discouraged, though
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• 1264[20:32:49] <sney> ilmostro: if your cron script can update the authorized_keys file, can it also create it in the first place? if so, your package could just install a service, and then when the service runs it creates/updates the file, instead of trying to make dpkg muck about in /root
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• 1267[20:33:46] <sney> I would even take it one step further and put the service's handled file in /usr/lib/packagename and symlink it
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• 1274[20:35:35] <HelloShitty> Hello. Is ifconfig being replaced by another set of tools?
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• 1276[20:36:57] <CommunistWolf> ip, yes
• 1277[20:36:57] <aminvakil> i guess it's more than 10 years since ifconfig has been deprecated
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• 1279[20:37:56] <jhutchins> HelloShitty: Yes, mostly ip and ifupdown, but not so much replaced as paralleled. Nothing new being done with it, but still available.
• 1280[20:38:46] <HelloShitty> ouch... 10 years
• 1281[20:38:50] <HelloShitty> ok
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• 1283[20:39:16] <HelloShitty> ok, so newer tools are ip and ifupdown, right?
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• 1285[20:39:47] <aminvakil> yes, ip
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• 1288[20:40:01] <HelloShitty> ifupdown do't?
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• 1290[20:40:11] <HelloShitty> s/do't/don't
• 1291[20:40:18] <ilmostro> sney: thank you very much. I'm gonna check to see if that makes sense for the infra setup. Although, when you say "service", that could be a systemd timer then 🤔
• 1292[20:40:20] <another> iproute2
• 1293[20:41:16] <aminvakil> i'm not sure ifconfig does the job of ifupdown or not
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• 1295[20:41:37] <cyveris> It doesn't. ifupdown is what brings interfaces up and down from /etc/network/interfaces.
• 1296[20:41:38] <aminvakil> but for viewing ip address, ip route, ip link you can use ip address, ip route, ip link
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• 1298[20:41:40] <cyveris> iproute2 is separate.
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• 1300[20:42:08] <aminvakil> cyveris: thanks, i wasn't sure, so yes, ip from iproute2 package is the replacement for ifconfig
• 1301[20:42:37] <another> also netstat -> ss, ...
• 1302[20:42:49] <another> there's a page somewhere
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• 1304[20:43:37] <cyveris> replaced-url
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• 1313[20:54:27] <jhutchins> !atheros
• 1314[20:54:27] <dpkg> Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath9k>, <ath5k>. For USB wireless LAN device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1c>, <alx>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. replaced-url
• 1315[20:54:56] <sney> ilmostro: right, there are a few options
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• 1317[20:56:05] <jhutchins> THat URL isn't valid.
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• 1319[20:56:58] <sney> seems to have changed to replaced-url
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• 1326[21:00:34] <HelloShitty> I have a question that is probably stupid, but as my networking knowledge is 0, I just don't know the answer. Actually, 2 different questions. 1 - When we set a gateway to some ethernet device, the IP of that gateway is the internal IP of our home router, right?
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• 1328[21:01:28] <HelloShitty> if I use 192.168.1.254 to access the configuration web page of my router, then, that is the IP I need to give to my laptop ethernet device as a gateway. Am I correct?
• 1329[21:01:31] <another> usually, yes
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• 1331[21:02:32] <HelloShitty> Another question I have is if I set a DNS in my laptop /etc/resolv.conf, then only my laptop will use that DNS or how it works? What if I set a different DNS in my router 'resolv.conf' file?
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• 1335[21:03:34] <another> yes, only your laptop will use that DNS server
• 1336[21:03:59] <ilmostro> that all depends on the router configuration; it may try to force using the dns resolvers that it provides only
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• 1338[21:04:53] <HelloShitty> for instance, at the moment, my laptop DNS is my router internal IP
• 1339[21:04:55] <ilmostro> the IP address for the web page may not necessarily be the same as the gateway, if the router reserves that IP for that purpose only
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• 1341[21:05:38] <ilmostro> although, if you can get to the web page with the configs, then you can find out what the IP of the router is as well
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• 1343[21:05:44] <HelloShitty> So this means that my router OS will take care of resolving address names?
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• 1345[21:06:26] <HelloShitty> yes, I understand that it doesn't have to be the same, but in mu case, they are
• 1346[21:06:28] <ilmostro> what do you mean your "laptop dns is your router internal IP"? which one
• 1347[21:06:53] <HelloShitty> let's say my router internal IP is 192.168.1.254
• 1348[21:06:55] <jochum> HelloShitty: do you want your Laptop as DNS Server for your Home?
• 1349[21:07:03] <ilmostro> do you have dns server running on your laptop or are you referring to the IP of the router?
• 1350[21:07:04] <HelloShitty> My latop DNS is 192.168.1.254
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• 1353[21:07:37] <jochum> HelloShitty: please tell us your goal in this
• 1354[21:07:39] <ilmostro> so, the router's (gateway) IP then
• 1355[21:07:57] <HelloShitty> What I'm saying is that the content of my /etc/resolv.conf file is the ip of my router
• 1356[21:08:23] <jochum> HelloShitty: thats the one you got by DHCP (Dynamic IP and other stuff) from the router, i believe
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• 1358[21:08:42] <HelloShitty> ok, so that means what?
• 1359[21:08:52] <HelloShitty> Who will be dealing with resolving name addresses?
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• 1362[21:09:04] <jochum> HelloShitty: then one you configured on the router
• 1363[21:09:14] <jochum> HelloShitty: normaly the ones from your provider
• 1364[21:09:21] <HelloShitty> ok
• 1365[21:09:34] <jochum> So it goes like that Laptop -> Router -> Provider DNS
• 1366[21:09:46] <HelloShitty> That way, all devices at my home connected to my router will use whatever I set in my router
• 1367[21:09:54] <jochum> True
• 1368[21:09:59] <HelloShitty> ok
• 1369[21:10:14] <HelloShitty> I have been having issues with my laptop ethernet device
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• 1371[21:10:23] <jochum> You can also set another one for everyone (not the router but lets say 8.8.8.8)
• 1372[21:10:30] <HelloShitty> I can't make it to get an IP to a TPLink receiver I connect to it
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• 1374[21:11:03] <HelloShitty> and I noticed that uring boot, there was a problem with networking.service raising up the interfaces
• 1375[21:11:05] <jochum> You get one by WLAN from the same device?
• 1376[21:11:37] <HelloShitty> but as my knowledge about networking is very weak, I'm struggling to put this to work
• 1377[21:11:44] <jochum> Hmm looks like there's a problem in /etc/network/interfaces
• 1378[21:11:50] <HelloShitty> No, I can't also connect to it via wireless
• 1379[21:12:08] <HelloShitty> yes, that's why I'm trying to reconfigure it using the command line and etc
• 1380[21:12:09] <jochum> Hmm how are you connected now, Phone?
• 1381[21:12:26] <HelloShitty> My Wireless connection from my laptop to my router is fine
• 1382[21:12:32] <jochum> ahh ok
• 1383[21:12:34] <jochum> just cable
• 1384[21:12:37] <blackop> HelloShitty: lol nice nick
• 1385[21:12:38] <HelloShitty> the ethernet one to my TPLink repeater is not
• 1386[21:12:50] <HelloShitty> blackop: :p
• 1387[21:12:55] <blackop> :p
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• 1389[21:13:06] <jochum> HelloKitty that is :)
• 1390[21:13:17] <HelloShitty> Anyways, situation is that I was having this problem during boot
• 1391[21:13:40] <HelloShitty> and when I got to my terminal I ran systemctl networking.service and it was in failure state
• 1392[21:13:41] <jochum> HelloShitty: paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces AND "ip addr" somewhere
• 1393[21:13:43] <ov3rmind> nice UGT cool friends, i an working in free software collaboration and put one work in salsa, but i have some doubts abou sinc salsa and github, pipy code of project, some tip about?
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• 1395[21:14:09] <HelloShitty> and my ethernet device name is not eth0. It's already using the newer convention for naming devices
• 1396[21:14:16] <HelloShitty> ok, jochum
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• 1398[21:15:09] <HelloShitty> at this point I'm not getting any error during boot because I changed the content of a file I had in /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup. I made the name match what ip addr showed
• 1399[21:15:37] <HelloShitty> but now, I have removed that setup file from there and was trying to use ip/ifconfig/whatever to try to set it up
• 1400[21:15:48] <HelloShitty> but I'll paste what you requested somewhere
• 1401[21:15:59] <jochum> HelloShitty: best is to remove all lines except the loopback interface
• 1402[21:16:07] <jochum> HelloShitty: and do the rest over NetworkManager
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• 1404[21:16:56] <jochum> And if you don't want fiddle around after reboot
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• 1408[21:18:36] * jochum loves coffee with lots of milk and cacao :)
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• 1410[21:19:21] <HelloShitty> jochum: replaced-url
• 1411[21:19:48] <jochum> HelloShitty: remove the added line
• 1412[21:20:10] <jochum> The problem with /e/n/interfaces is that it want's it always connected
• 1413[21:20:15] <sney> ov3rmind: #debian-mentors or #salsa on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) would be a better place for those questions
• 1414[21:20:31] <jochum> And laptops don't have it connected always on boto
• 1415[21:20:54] <jhutchins> jochum: You can use hotplug for stuff that's not always there.
• 1416[21:21:07] <jochum> jhutchins: true
• 1417[21:21:30] <jochum> jhutchins: personaly i prefer nm-applet with NetworkManager
• 1418[21:21:40] <HelloShitty> jochum: line removed
• 1419[21:21:56] <jochum> HelloShitty: do you connect over gui to WLAN ?
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• 1421[21:22:17] <HelloShitty> It's automatic when my desktop starts
• 1422[21:22:27] <HelloShitty> so yes, I guess I do it with gui
• 1423[21:22:32] <jochum> HelloShitty: can you select the WLAN in GUI?
• 1424[21:22:35] <jochum> kk
• 1425[21:22:57] <HelloShitty> yes, I can select and view other networks in the neighboor
• 1426[21:22:59] <jochum> HelloShitty: do "sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager"
• 1427[21:23:29] <jochum> or was it network-manager not sure
• 1428[21:23:38] <jochum> Not it wasnt
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• 1431[21:24:13] <HelloShitty> ok, I guess it's running
• 1432[21:24:25] <jochum> Ok, now you should be able to add another connection
• 1433[21:24:30] <jochum> In the Gui
• 1434[21:24:40] <jochum> Ethernet one
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• 1436[21:25:15] <HelloShitty> if I connect the rj45 cable of this TPLink repeater, it shows up there a WireConnection1
• 1437[21:25:24] <jochum> ok
• 1438[21:25:38] <jochum> ip addr gives an ip?
• 1439[21:25:48] <jhutchins> jochum: Yeah, NM is the actual solution for network portability. I still use interfaces for static connections though.
• 1440[21:25:58] <jochum> jhutchins: doing the same, yes
• 1441[21:26:00] <HelloShitty> but I can also see another thing above that saying "Ethernet NetWork - disconnected"
• 1442[21:26:15] <jochum> jhutchins: do you know netplan from Ubuntu ?
• 1443[21:26:19] <jochum> jhutchins: i hate it
• 1444[21:26:33] <jochum> HelloShitty: you have to add/edit that connection
• 1445[21:26:40] <jochum> HelloShitty: to DHCP
• 1446[21:26:45] <jochum> or Automatic
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• 1448[21:27:40] <jhutchins> jochum: Nope. Haven't used Ubuntu in years.
• 1449[21:28:06] <jhutchins> It's been solid Debian and various flavors of RedHat.
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• 1451[21:28:46] <HelloShitty> jochum: this is how it is: replaced-url
• 1452[21:28:56] <HelloShitty> But I cna't get an IP on it
• 1453[21:29:01] <jochum> jhutchins: i TRY to stay with Debian only, sometimes have to use Ubuntu and CentOS :/
• 1454[21:29:06] <HelloShitty> ip addr still shows no IPv4
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• 1457[21:31:00] <jochum> HelloShitty: use/install ethtool "sudo ethtool enp..." example -> replaced-url
• 1458[21:31:21] <jochum> HelloShitty: wanna know if layer0 works :)
• 1459[21:32:38] <HelloShitty> ok
• 1460[21:33:26] <HelloShitty> jochum: replaced-url
• 1461[21:34:52] <jochum> HelloShitty: that TP-Link is 100Mbit?
• 1462[21:35:03] <jochum> or your Laptop ?
• 1463[21:35:15] <jochum> no the laptop not
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• 1465[21:35:30] <jochum> I think you have to change cable
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• 1467[21:35:40] <jochum> +the
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• 1469[21:36:14] <jochum> HelloShitty: you have another even if you have to go nearby to test?
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• 1471[21:37:06] <HelloShitty> this is the device: TP-LINK TL-WA850RE
• 1472[21:37:10] <HelloShitty> I think it's 300Mbit
• 1473[21:37:37] <HelloShitty> another cable?
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• 1475[21:38:53] <jochum> No need to change cable
• 1476[21:39:03] <jochum> That Repeater does 100mbit max on Cable
• 1477[21:39:37] <HelloShitty> Are you asking or saying?
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• 1479[21:39:49] <jochum> saying
• 1480[21:40:21] <ov3rmind> sney, very thanks i made it
• 1481[21:40:23] <HelloShitty> ok, so I even changed the cable. I can still change again for a cable I know it works
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• 1485[21:41:23] <jochum> HelloShitty: do you have another device to plugin into that repeater?
• 1486[21:41:38] <jochum> Sony Playstation, TV or something?
• 1487[21:41:47] <jochum> Just to test
• 1488[21:42:32] <HelloShitty> I don't
• 1489[21:42:58] <HelloShitty> But just to mention
• 1490[21:43:33] <HelloShitty> If I connect my laptop to my router via rj45, it works. I get a notification saying "Connected to WiredConenction1"
• 1491[21:43:55] <jochum> Yeah
• 1492[21:43:57] <HelloShitty> but with this repeater, the icon stays thinking and thinking for ever
• 1493[21:43:58] <jochum> Good to k now
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• 1496[21:44:17] <jochum> I believe the repeater is configured as Access Point
• 1497[21:44:26] <jochum> Not as WLAN -> LAN Bridge
• 1498[21:44:42] <jochum> Not sure howto fix that as i don't know this thing
• 1499[21:44:46] <HelloShitty> but I don't get an IPv4 to my ethernet device even after conencting to the router
• 1500[21:44:58] <HelloShitty> ok, thanks
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• 1502[21:45:03] <jochum> Wait
• 1503[21:45:04] <HelloShitty> I gotto go have dinner
• 1504[21:45:12] <jochum> You don't get IP on Router?
• 1505[21:45:14] <HelloShitty> yes, tell me
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• 1507[21:45:33] <HelloShitty> no, I don't get an IP on my laptop ethernet
• 1508[21:45:47] <HelloShitty> if I run ip addr on my laptop, I can't see an IPv4
• 1509[21:45:48] <jochum> If you connect directly to the main router @home ?
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• 1511[21:46:01] <HelloShitty> wait
• 1512[21:46:04] <HelloShitty> let me check
• 1513[21:46:34] <jochum> Have a good meal, I'm here for about 2 hours from now.
• 1514[21:47:04] <HelloShitty> yeah forget it, I get an IP
• 1515[21:47:06] <HelloShitty> ok, brb
• 1516[21:47:09] <HelloShitty> thank you
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• 1567[22:22:25] <HelloShitty> ok, I'm back jochum
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• 1570[22:25:23] <HelloShitty> What else can we do ?
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• 1585[22:52:40] <jochum> wb
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• 1593[22:59:05] <jochum> Just watched another Episode of the "The Good Doctor", love that series :)
• 1594[22:59:42] <jochum> HelloShitty: so back to "work", can you find a manual for that repeater somewhere?
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• 1605[23:08:42] <HelloShitty> I can try
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• 1607[23:09:06] <HelloShitty> I was here performing an upgrade to my OpenWRT OS
• 1608[23:09:14] <HelloShitty> but I'll make a quick search for the manual
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• 1610[23:10:48] <HelloShitty> jochum: I found this: replaced-url
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• 1612[23:12:46] <jochum> HelloShitty: you need to follow point 4.2 on that pdf
• 1613[23:13:02] <jochum> HelloShitty: you can find it's IP on your OpenWRT DHCP
• 1614[23:14:14] <HelloShitty> I don't have a wired network
• 1615[23:14:44] <HelloShitty> I wanted this TPLink to try to extend the wireless signal to the rest of the house
• 1616[23:15:23] <HelloShitty> In some points of my house, signal strength is weak, so I want to use this to be able to get better signal strength in the rest of the house
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• 1618[23:16:21] <jochum> HelloShitty: :) You want to use that Repeater as "Kable over WLAN", right?
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• 1620[23:16:52] <HelloShitty> yeah, something to extend the wireless signal of the router
• 1621[23:17:00] <HelloShitty> I think this is one of it's purposes
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• 1623[23:17:24] <HelloShitty> but this doesn't even start good because I can't connect to it either via wireless nor via ethernet cable
• 1624[23:17:30] <jochum> HelloShitty: if you want to do it proper, you gonna buy some Ethernet over Power adapters
• 1625[23:17:34] <jhutchins> HelloShitty: Did you check to see if dhcp is running?
• 1626[23:17:58] <jochum> "If they work"
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• 1628[23:18:19] <jochum> Been using 2 Devolo's for a while, where i needed them
• 1629[23:18:48] <mentor> I would not recommend ethernet over power
• 1630[23:19:18] <jochum> mentor: why not? Because they don't always work?
• 1631[23:19:33] <jhutchins> jochum: Worse, they usually work badly.
• 1632[23:19:58] <mentor> They work badly, and due to circumstances outside of your control, stop working
• 1633[23:20:16] <jochum> mine worked, but i realy needed them
• 1634[23:20:19] <Azrael_-> hi
• 1635[23:20:20] <mentor> I recommend ethernet over ethernet cable.
• 1636[23:20:34] <jhutchins> Or get a better AP.
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• 1638[23:20:37] <jochum> no chance to build up wlan over 3 floors or WLAN
• 1639[23:20:44] <jochum> or RJ45
• 1640[23:21:12] <jochum> Yes, ethernet over CAT5+ works best
• 1641[23:21:18] <Azrael_-> i try to redirect the output of a new service (which i created) into a new logging file: replaced-url
• 1642[23:22:24] <mentor> Azrael_-: Does the service actually use that label to log to syslog?
• 1643[23:23:07] <jhutchins> jochum: If you get dedicated repeaters that might work. I have ethernet between the APs on 4 floors, works pretty well.
• 1644[23:23:26] <Azrael_-> in the pastebin i have given one example log line. the service itself is unaware of the logging or being a service at all. i don't know how a lable is defined. i just thought: if the log line starts with "nominatim", then the label is for sure "nominatim"...
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• 1647[23:24:30] <jochum> It looks like your trying to to redirect based on prozess name
• 1648[23:24:54] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: As you'd know if you read the documentaion, you direct the output to the syslog service, then tell syslog what to do with it.
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• 1650[23:25:28] <HelloShitty> Sorry guys, I got distracted
• 1651[23:25:58] <HelloShitty> Why do I need ethernet over power adapters? This one connects itself to mains
• 1652[23:26:41] <HelloShitty> jhutchins: How do I check if hcp is running?
• 1653[23:26:49] <HelloShitty> s/hcp/dhcp
• 1654[23:26:58] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: There is a program called logger that can be used to write arbitrary entries to the logs.
• 1655[23:27:00] <jochum> HelloShitty: forget it :) It will work (EoP or however its named)
• 1656[23:27:16] <HelloShitty> ok, forgotten...
• 1657[23:27:19] <HelloShitty> :)
• 1658[23:27:23] <jhutchins> HelloShitty: How do you usually determine if a program is running?
• 1659[23:27:38] <HelloShitty> depends
• 1660[23:27:54] <HelloShitty> if it's a service/deamon I can check it with systemctl status
• 1661[23:27:59] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: it didn't read the documentation in detail. so it isn't that easy to redirect the standard output of a console program which was set up as a service to a specific file just by adding a rule to rsyslog.conf? mind providing me some hints where i should continue reading?
• 1662[23:28:04] <jochum> HelloShitty: just configure that TP-Link to make itself a WLAN->LAN Bridge and you'r fine
• 1663[23:28:09] <HelloShitty> but maybe with ps aux | grep dhcp
• 1664[23:28:49] <jochum> jhutchins: the original problem of HelloShitty no Link/DHCP on LAN of that Repeater
• 1665[23:29:07] <jochum> jhutchins: my conclusio, it makes a WLAN of that LAN AND/OR Repeats another wlan
• 1666[23:29:27] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: Actually, communication with syslog needs to be built in to the program, which is why I suggested logger.
• 1667[23:29:45] <HelloShitty> jochum: replaced-url
• 1668[23:29:55] <HelloShitty> I meant jhutchins
• 1669[23:30:12] <HelloShitty> that paste is output for `ps aux | grep dhcp`
• 1670[23:30:14] <jochum> HelloShitty jhutchins we know DHCP works as the laptop works on the router
• 1671[23:30:22] <HelloShitty> yep
• 1672[23:30:29] <HelloShitty> brb, 10 mins
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• 1675[23:32:36] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: ok, currently the program just sends its output to STDOUT. no support for file-logging or other fancy stuff. logger seems to provide functionality to send data to syslog, don't see how i could use it here. as the program is sending the logging to stdout it ends up in /var/log/syslog. how can i redirect it to a different file?
• 1676[23:34:12] <mentor> Azrael_-: Is it systemd that's redirecting the output to syslog for you?
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• 1679[23:35:31] <Azrael_-> menace: i've created a service file in /etc/systemd/system and started the "service" using "systemctl start nominatimupdate". if a completely different mechanism sends the data there, then please give me a hint what i missed
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• 1681[23:35:43] <Azrael_-> *mechanism that sends
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• 1683[23:36:01] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: bash redirect
• 1684[23:36:15] <mentor> Azrael_-: I genuinely don't know; I'm just telling you where I'd look
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• 1686[23:37:00] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: then (i am sure) it wouldn't end in /var/log/syslog as the program doesn't know anything about it. the logging entries only appeared there since i added and ran it as a systemd service
• 1687[23:37:04] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: I realized that this seemed to be your own creation, and so probably have an option for syslog.
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• 1689[23:38:24] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: Right. If you specifically want it in syslog you'll need logger, or find docs on including syslog capacity in your code.
• 1690[23:38:59] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: It would be easier to redirect it to a specific log file or email or something.
• 1691[23:40:00] <Azrael_-> ok, just to reiterate: here is my service definition replaced-url
• 1692[23:40:33] <Azrael_-> and i'd love to redirect it to a specific log file, i just don't know HOW
• 1693[23:41:54] <Azrael_-> still too strange?
• 1694[23:41:59] <jhutchins> I would imagine that the syslog identifier is a hint that the syslog output is built in.
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• 1696[23:43:07] <jhutchins> You could probably redirect stdout to another file, and tell syslog not to write to syslog. You can use syslog to write to other files as well, both those options are in the syslog configuration.
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• 1700[23:47:29] <Azrael_-> ok, then i should see the logs still in syslog if i ran the program manually, right? but if i run it manually, no log files are created and no log entries appear in syslog. thus my assumption is that rsyslog catches the stdout and sends it with data to /var/log/syslog. yet there seems to be either a problem with my configuration of rsyslog or the label which is being used for logging.
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• 1708[23:51:41] <HelloShitty> jochum: I'm back
• 1709[23:54:23] <mentor> Azrael_-: I think the issue is that syslog facilities are not syslog identifiers
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• 1711[23:54:58] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: This is getting to the internals of the program and how it's meant to be run. Often there are start up variables that are not read if you run a service manually. Sometimes you can pass some of this information, or the location of the config file, on the command line. Sometimes you can't.
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• 1713[23:55:24] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: it is a php-script, nothing fancy
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• 1719[23:56:31] <jhutchins> Azrael_-: I think you need to learn more about the program, how it's manet to be run and configured..
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• 1723[23:57:14] <Azrael_-> jhutchins: ok, thanks
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• 1725[23:57:41] <mentor> Azrael_-: "nominatum" isn't a syslog facility
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• 1727[23:59:37] <jhutchins> It sounds like a program that may not have gone through Debian QA.
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