53[00:40:59] <cws> unixbsd: Your original claim is that cat is
better. So, show me in the source code why that's the case.
54[00:41:27] <cws> The official documentation refers to cp. One
advantage is that it doesn't require shell redirection. cp is
THE utility that exists for this function.
55[00:41:51] <cws> Use the right tool for the job and stop
acting superior.
56[00:42:27] <cws> If you want to use cat, use cat. cat ALSO
works. But cp is better. </discussion>
57[00:42:56] <unixbsd> sorry but you can do cat in about 15
lines of C code to put the image on the dev
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59[00:43:55] <unixbsd> fd open and it is done. cp is intended
way more for files
60[00:44:11] <fling> busybox cp is superior to util-linux one
on gentoo
219[03:42:29] <maroloccio> hi. i am on a deb server using ssh.
need to search for packages to install based on description. which
CLI | TUI tool is best? (I can install a tool if not installed
already)
222[03:43:56] <Unit193> maroloccio: Are you looking for, eg
`apt-cache search streaming server`, then `apt-cache show $pkgname`?
223[03:44:06] <abstractednoah> or maybe apt-file?
224[03:44:11] <abrotman> dpkg: search
225[03:44:11] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just
asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with
<aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that
own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S
/bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and
«/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for
factoids. See
replaced-url
226[03:44:27] <sney> apt search is pretty capable, but aptitude
is more powerful and may give you better results depending on your
search terms.
227[03:44:45] <sney> aptitude can also search tags:
228[03:44:46] <sney> !debtags
229[03:44:46] <dpkg> well, debtags is a way of categorising
packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used,
what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds
another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package,
then search either using "debtags" or
"aptitude". For a GUI install packagesearch. Search (or
add new tags) at
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230[03:45:26] <maroloccio> Unit193: those 2 commands seem like
the do the job but let me review the other answers too.. (thanks)
240[03:52:33] <maroloccio> the GUI version of aptitude TUI is..
synaptic? or something else?
241[03:52:45] <Urk> I'm wondering if it is ok to install
grub2 if I have already formated the partition as a linux partition?
I'm at step 4.3.3.1 in the following URL instruction, and not
sure what to do next
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242[03:53:19] <sney> maroloccio: aptitude has a gtk frontend
itself. synaptic and discover and gnome-software are separate
243[03:53:25] <Urk> I can't install syslinux /dev/sdc
because I am not running FAT 16
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246[03:54:16] <maroloccio> sney: what is "discover"?
267[04:08:26] <sney> Urk: as the error says, you would have to
use a different filesystem. and nothing here is similar to the
instructions in step 4.3.3.1. in fact, in the following step, it
tells you to copy files from inside the installer iso, rather than
writing the iso directly to the partition.
268[04:08:39] <sney> Urk: for best results, read the words on
the page, and don't substitute from your imagination.
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271[04:11:12] <Urk> sney: What i want to know is what can be
used in place of syslinux since I am inside a Linux partition, and
syslinux is only written for FAT16
276[04:12:14] <sney> and it's probably not going to work
anyway. have you tried following the real instructions? or was the
link to the install guide just a fakeout?
277[04:12:30] <Urk> oxek: I'm just following instructions
found at 4.3.3.1 on
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279[04:12:54] <Urk> oxek: I used cfdisk to create my partitions
so I don't have the option of installing FAT16
286[04:14:42] <oxek> unfortunately it appears that /dev/sdc is
not partitioned at all, it instead directly contains a filesystem
287[04:14:44] <Urk> I would think there wouldn't be a
problem with GRUB2, but received a different error when trying to
install grub
288[04:14:56] <oxek> hence you can't install grub or
anything else on it
289[04:15:08] <jmcnaught> Urk: you only need to do the steps in
4.3.1. Did you not see the big *Important* notice about the below
options are for specialised needs?
290[04:15:49] <oxek> what's the end goal here anyway? And
why wouldn't debootstick work?
292[04:16:09] <Urk> oxek: Its possible, but I did select the
"new" option in cfdisk, and the "write" option
so I assume new partitions were created. They look like they were
created when running lsblk
294[04:17:24] <Urk> jmcnaught: I will take your advice and use
the whole disk for I can revisit the issue later. Howeve, it would
be handy to store missing drivers on a separate partition on the
same USB device.
295[04:17:54] <jmcnaught> Urk: if you read 4.3.1 in its entirety
it tells you that you can make an extra partition after copying the
ISO
304[04:23:45] <dvs> Urk: At the start of section 4.3.3, it
clearly says: If you like more flexibility or just want to know
what's going on, you should use the following method to put the
files on your stick.
305[04:24:14] <Urk> oxek: I tried both grub2, and syslinux; both
had errors.
306[04:24:38] <Urk> dvs: I do want more flexibility, but
don't have to have it tonight.
307[04:26:11] <jmcnaught> The instructions in 4.3.3 will only be
able to do BIOS/legacy booting, so it will not install with UEFI
support
312[04:31:36] <Urk> oxek: I was hoping to create a separate
partition for drivers not included with the 10.9 Debian iso
313[04:31:53] <oxek> Urk: that's exactly what 4.3.1 lets
you do
314[04:32:33] <jmcnaught> "The hybrid image on the stick
does not occupy all the storage space, so it may be worth
considering using the free space to hold firmware files or packages
or any other files of your choice. This could be useful if you have
only one stick or just want to keep everything you need on one
device. " -- 4.3.1
324[04:47:06] <Urk> jcmcnaught: Not sure zxvf
/path/to/firmware.tar.gz The firmware is already bundled in the iso
so this line appears to be unnecessary. Should I skip it for now?
325[04:47:32] <Urk> jmcnaught: Not sure zxvf
/path/to/firmware.tar.gz The firmware is already bundled in the iso
so this line appears to be unnecessary. Should I skip it for now?
326[04:48:29] <jmcnaught> Urk: that line is from an example,
it's not necessary. The point is that after you "cp
debian.iso /dev/sdX" you can create a new partition on
/dev/sdX's unused space and put whatever you want there. After
copying the ISO.
344[04:59:02] <Urk> oxek: It is a goal to get a hard wire
connection going, and order Dell's tool for doing this. There
is no jack for an RJ47 on this laptop.
345[04:59:15] <somiaj> Urk: do you have the non-free firmware
installed?
346[04:59:21] <Urk> I would have been done by now if I had a
hard wire connection.
347[04:59:42] <somiaj> Urk: for iwlwifi, firmware-iwlwifi is the
package name from non-free
348[04:59:45] <oxek> Urk: we literally found someone the other
day, who has the exact same laptop as you, who installed debian
using the iso containing non-free firmware just fine
349[04:59:49] <Urk> somiaj: Supposedly the url to 10.9 provided
earlier has firmware on it.
350[05:00:31] <Urk> oxek: I had no problems with 10.4 and
earlier, nor on systems older than the one that I have now.
367[05:07:06] <somiaj> Unsure what you mean by that, the driver
is part of the kernel. You can check if you are missing firmware
with 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
385[05:22:03] <Urk> oxek: I'm booted up, but noticed that
the kernel is only 4.19 or something like that, and I recall that I
need 5.10 in order to get the wifi drivers to work
397[05:47:08] <Urk> does the add-cdrom tool also cover usb? I
need to update my kernel to 5.10 so cdrom add --cdrom /dev/sda1 so
that I can install my wifi driver, but received the following error
"No CD-ROM could be auto-detected or found using the default
mount point".
398[05:47:56] <Urk> The command that i typed was apt-cdrom add
--cdrom /dev/sda1 Did I do this right?
399[05:55:42] <somiaj> Urk: The way forward if you really need a
newer kernel but want to install buster, is to do a base install
(the netinstall can do this without the internet), then copy over
the kernel and firmware from buster-backports, install those and
reboot, then get your network up, afterwards you can finish
installing the software you need
400[05:56:05] <somiaj> alternativally you could just install
bullseye, which is going to be released soon (maybe a couple of
months)
401[05:56:42] <somiaj> You aren't just going to be able to
copy a newer kernel onto the install media and have it work though
403[06:03:18] <Urk> somiaj: I have already installed the base
install, and was trying to install kernel 5.10 from a memory stick.
Its quite recent, and was used for the previous isntallation. The
wifi driver will not work unless the kernels is updated.
Unfortunately that wasn't fixed with 10.9
404[06:03:42] <Urk> somiaj: Does the tool apt-cdrom with with
usb memory devices?
405[06:03:52] <somiaj> Debian does not upgrade kernels in point
releases.
406[06:04:06] <somiaj> I would just download and install the
.deb (and its depends) from buster-backports
407[06:04:43] <somiaj> well doesn't upgrade the version, it
will include minor updates to the long term stable kernel it uses,
mostly security/bug fixes, sometimes new network hardware gets
added.
408[06:04:50] <Urk> somiaj: I have already done that and have it
on disk.
409[06:05:03] <Urk> or USB. I'm just trying to get it
detected so it installs.
410[06:05:11] <sney> Urk: this is why you're reinstalling
again? because you thought 10.9 meant a new kernel for your
hardware?
451[06:40:55] <Urk> My command is "dpkg -i
/media/pdq/4430-BE54/Linux-image-5.10.0.0.bpo.3-amd64_5.10.13-1-bpo10+1_amd64
452[06:41:37] <Urk> I get an error indicating that 2 expected
programs not found in path or not executable. This suggest another
package is missing that must be installed before the 5.10 kernel is
installed.
453[06:42:49] <Urk> also dpkg says that the path should usually
contain /usr/local/sbin, usr/sbin and /sbin
454[06:43:13] <klys> urk, set | grep PATH; should show you if it
is
455[06:43:14] <Urk> I just tried installing firmware required
for the previous installation, and received the same error.
459[06:44:22] <Urk> klys: It does show that as the path, but I
am at a loss as to what I should be using for a command.
460[06:44:46] <Urk> I am trying to follow instructions on stack
exchange, and it just says sudo apt install
/path/to/package/name.deb
461[06:45:08] <klys> urk, apt-cache show prog1 prog2 | grep pool
| while read x y; do wget
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462[06:45:32] <klys> where prog1 and prog2 are your missing
binaries
463[06:46:17] <klys> that isn't as cut-and-dried as I say
it, though you can find the package of any binary at
packages.debian.org
464[06:46:23] <jmcnaught> !buster su
465[06:46:23] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). See
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466[06:46:40] <jmcnaught> Urk: you need to use "su -l"
not "su" alone
467[06:48:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1015
468[06:48:50] <Urk> klys: error now says no packages found, but
I don't think I can run wget until the wifi driver is
installed, and the wifi driver can't be installed until kernel
5.10 is installed. Whether or not there is enough firmware with 10.9
is unknown. There wasn't enough firmware with 10.8, and at
least three different packages had to be installed with dpkg in an
exact sequence in order to get the wifi working.
469[06:49:33] <klys> urk, what are the missing binaries it
lists? or consult packages.debian.org and put them in the lower form
470[06:49:56] <somiaj> Urk: you should provide better info on
the errors you are getting, the first error you shared had nothing
to do with the path, hence why I was thinking some other issues.
473[06:51:57] <Urk> Doesn't list any missing binaries after
running the last command you suggested. However, the needed packages
are on a usb stick that is inserted in my laptop. 10.9 could be
improved in the sense that it should be able to look for the
packages and drivers once the pointer is sent to the memory deivce.
Unfortunately it doesn't do this, and there is a lot of work
involved to get it working on this laptop. I really need a hardwire
474[06:51:58] <Urk> connection, and I am ordering Dells
proprietary device in the morning. This laptop doesn't use an
RJ47, but something similar that is very rapid, but sold as a
separate accessory.
475[06:52:04] <somiaj> Urk: though you might beninifit from just
installing bullseye on that laptop, as opposed to messing with
buster.
476[06:52:35] <Urk> somiaj: I installed 10.9 which was
recommended this morning, and it has a lot of missing packages just
like 10.8
477[06:53:11] <klys> urk, mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt; ls /mnt; for
example to mount the second detected disk, first partition thereof,
and list the files on it.
479[06:53:24] <Urk> My media device where the firmware and wifi
drive resides is /media/pdq/4430-BE54
480[06:53:41] <klys> urk, then forget the mount command I just
said
481[06:53:43] <somiaj> What do you mean by missing packages?
Buster is a fully functional release with 50,000+ packages. If you
need a newer kernel or want newer versions of software, installing
bullseye might benifit you (it isn't quite released, but it is
frozen, and will be released in the next couple months from what I
hear)
482[06:54:03] <somiaj> Buster doesn't have missing
packages, it may not have the software you want, but that is
different.
483[06:54:22] <Urk> somiaj: Is that consider a stable release? I
thought I already installed Buster?
484[06:54:45] <klys> urk, what prevents you from telling us
about the missing programs (binaries)?
486[06:54:54] <somiaj> Bullseye is going to be the next stable,
it isn't released yet, but it is frozen and mostly in its final
state, and if you just do reguraly updates you'll get all the
fixes/changes by release time.
488[06:57:14] <Urk> somiaj: Do you have a link you recommend for
this? Its getting late so I may have to continue this in the
morning, but would benefit by having a link.
489[06:58:27] <klys> urk please don't ignore my question
again. what programs did it say it was missing?
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492[07:00:46] <somiaj> Though it would be nice to know, what
packages were missing in 10.8/9? Was it actualy software, or just
you need a newer kernel, etc
493[07:01:41] <Urk> klys: dpkg didn't indicate programs
were missing, but instead indicated that the root's PATH should
usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
495[07:02:24] <Urk> I know from the past that there were at
least three packages that had to be manually installed to get it to
work, and that kernel 5.10 or greater had to be installed or the
wifi wouldn't work.
496[07:02:36] <klys> urk, and you mentioned that your PATH was
correct. this is from dpkg -i ...deb; on your kernel deb?
497[07:02:37] <Urk> I have all three of those packages on memory
stick.
498[07:03:13] <Urk> klys: Yes, this is from dpkg -i ...deb
running kernel 4.19
499[07:03:30] <klys> urk, it should be as simple as dpkg -i
/media/pdq/4430-BE54/*.deb
501[07:04:59] <Urk> klys: Thats what I thought. However, I
recall from the help that jcmnaught offered that suggest there was a
specific order for the installation of the missing packages, and I
am a bit foggy on. The only thing I recall was that kernel 5.10 had
to be installed before trying to install the wifi driver.
503[07:05:40] <klys> dpkg should install them in the correct
order automatically, or else you can specify dpkg --auto-deconfigure
504[07:05:40] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, klys
505[07:06:15] <Urk> klys: what does the --auto-deconfigure
parameter do?
506[07:06:41] <Urk> dpkg ignore order
507[07:06:41] * dpkg sticks his fingers in his ears. "La, la, la!
I can't hear you, order"
508[07:07:34] <klys> urk, for example if you have a package that
depends on another package you're installing at the same time
that conflicts with something that is installed but will be upgraded
509[07:07:53] <Urk> klys: OK, I just learned something.
510[07:08:01] <Urk> I am going to take this up tomorrow. Its
getting really late.
511[07:09:12] <Urk> Has anyone tried Bullseye with the Dell XPS
7590?
699[11:29:54] <EdePopede> i never had to reboot unless there
were kernel updates. so flatpak is a kernel extension it seems
700[11:30:08] <TheBigK02> dob1: every tool has its pros and
cons. u should read some stuff about it and decide urself on the
information u gained
701[11:31:04] <TheBigK02> EdePopede: i doubt flatpack updates
the kernel. but may be it does provide a module? which i doubt as
well... even then u could probably get away with just manually
loading it
702[11:31:23] <EdePopede> there's modprobe for modules, no
reboot needed
703[11:31:27] <EdePopede> yeha
704[11:31:34] <dob1> TheBigK02, from my point of view I am going
for ansible because all the review seems it is simple (and better to
start with something simpler) and it use ssh, not agents
705[11:32:05] <oxek> EdePopede: doesn't need reboot
706[11:32:08] <TheBigK02> dob1: if u made ur mind already why
asking :D
707[11:32:13] <EdePopede> unfortunately i don't see a tag
entry for the package though i doubt there's something like
needs-task::reboot
708[11:32:41] <dob1> TheBigK02, because I noted that these
things change very fast, so I don't know what I read in a
review from a year ago is still there :)
709[11:32:46] <oxek> they provide those instructions for
newbies, because it makes it easier to understand than "Logout
and login, so that icons can be set up in your launcher"
710[11:32:57] <EdePopede> oxek: thanks. good to hear. what about
suid root and ressource usage? all i potentially may need it for
(not even sure) would be a matrix client.
711[11:32:58] <oxek> but nothing inherently requires a reboot in
flatpak
712[11:33:24] <oxek> EdePopede: you can remove the suid root if
you upgrade to kernel from backports, or manually enable user
namespaces
713[11:33:47] <EdePopede> web is no-go because ressources (i
want IMs&co to be able to run constantly), electron the same
plus suid root for chrome-sandbox
715[11:34:12] <oxek> resource usage: Doesn't inherently
consume more than a native app, with the exception that newer
apps/libraries take up more space and are usually slower.
717[11:34:25] <EdePopede> ugh. never did such a thing. and
i'm not sure if i want to try it before this system is going to
be nuked anyway for its successor.
718[11:34:32] <oxek> obviusly it does take some storage space,
because it duplicates a lot of system provided stuff
725[11:35:46] <oxek> CPU is identical as native app, with the
exception that newer apps are slower than older apps. The same will
happen with newer versions in debian, so can't be avoided.
726[11:35:52] <oxek> RAM is the same problem
727[11:36:05] <EdePopede> jelly: even one is bad enough. tested
Franz! (or was it Fritz!) some years ago. was like firefox in the
beginning and then +15% RAM for each service i activated. ouch.
728[11:36:29] <oxek> flatpak apps can't share
debian-provided libraries in RAM, so they will have to load their
own
729[11:36:48] <oxek> but overall flatpak is a good thing
730[11:37:00] <oxek> lots of software is not in debian repos,
but are in flatpak
732[11:38:02] <EdePopede> the situation here usually is firefox
needing most of the physical RAM, sometimes the bar is nearly maxed
out, which means lot of swapping to an old HDD. slowing...
things.... down....... endlessly. sometimes (oh, you REALLY need JS?
i'll grant you a private window w/o NoScript) it just goes wild
on the CPU also. and then videos mpv. but that's fine, i
don't use it as a telly 24/7.
734[11:39:35] <EdePopede> the one i already installed (well, i
threw the binary into $PATH) was goluks. i think i'd be fine
with it, but it didn't let me create an account, now that i
have one it presents me with an empty window without even a Quit
option. matrix seem to be the Wild Wild West for now.
735[11:40:03] <EdePopede> not that i wouldn't play with it,
i just like to have things running first :D
736[11:40:28] <oxek> matrix clients are a mess
737[11:40:30] <EdePopede> and maybe i'd even look at some
flatpak stuff when i first have that one installed. ok, i'll be
brave.
738[11:41:21] <jelly> oxek, I don't "libraries sharing
RAM" was true in decades on linux
741[11:41:53] <EdePopede> debian.map.fastlydns.net <-- lol i
was reading nap. while apt looked like waiting for the server to
react.
742[11:42:08] <oxek> jelly: how many times do I have libc loaded
then?
743[11:42:14] <jelly> oxek, so many.
744[11:42:25] <oxek> well that's annoying
745[11:42:31] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
746[11:42:46] <oxek> no wonder linux ate my ram :)
747[11:42:51] <EdePopede> seems i really have routing problems
to that server... but ping worked, hm
748[11:42:52] <jelly> each with a slightly different address
space, too
749[11:43:27] <EdePopede> is it possible to find out if a server
is available, not just sitting there and reacting on pings? i mean
the service being reachable
750[11:43:38] <oxek> I think I confused it with flatpak having
to store its own version of libraries on disk, and not being able to
use debian provided ones
772[12:06:13] <ratrace> yeah that's definitely the case.
you can check /proc/PID/smaps and see how much of code is
Shared_Clean. that's physically shared memory, in
virtually-remapped, randomized layout, PIC process space
799[12:33:11] <EdePopede> trying to install Fractal (some matrix
client which at least looked useable and fulfills some of my
prerequisites), that's why flatpak. and now while running the
command they have on their website (something i'd compare to
apt install) it comes up with this
800[12:34:00] <ratrace> EdePopede: you can get it from snaps too
802[12:34:24] <EdePopede> ofc they don't mention it on
their hp. matrix eould send you to the client room (which is out of
reach obviously until there is a working client available) and the
client folks just don't mention all the nasty bits in advance.
804[12:34:38] <EdePopede> ratrace, i don't even have
non-free on this system ;)
805[12:34:58] <ratrace> snapd is in main
806[12:35:12] <EdePopede> and isn't snap an ubuntu thing
after all? and what i've seen here flatpak seem to be embraced
more by debian than snap
807[12:35:14] <ratrace> the the snap is gpl3-0
808[12:35:41] <ratrace> ubuntu is upstream for snap, but
it's intended to be distro agnostic. basically same as flatpak,
the two are competing technologies.
809[12:35:52] <EdePopede> i wouldn't even have considered
flatpak with a usable native matrix client available.
810[12:35:59] <ratrace> but their impementation is different.
flatpak requires shared runtimes, snap handles that automagically
813[12:37:00] <EdePopede> the only non-distro thing i needed so
far was static builds of opera mayne years ago. firefox not really
being a thing yet, Qt coming with a bad license.
814[12:37:43] <EdePopede> and i wouldn't even consider
matrix if mozilla wouldn't have decided to run away from their
users into a beta stage environment
815[12:39:20] <EdePopede> and as i don't like the idea to
keep half a dozen matrix clients available because each of them is
missing out something relevant i also don't like to have flat
and snap and what not installed on top of debian, especially with
each of them only needed by a single "app".
816[12:39:28] <ratrace> maybe you can install Element on a local
LNPP stack:
replaced-url
823[12:40:45] <oxek> even despite running that command wrong
824[12:40:57] <oxek> since it prompted me whether I meant to
install it from flathub
825[12:41:15] <oxek> the right way would be `flatpak install
flathub org.gnome.Fractal`
826[12:41:20] <EdePopede> oxek: it asked me during Fractal
install. only i like to get the info beforehand, not while i'm
on the boat already. and the url presented (
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827[12:41:33] <EdePopede> so i have no chance to even find out
wth this installer is trying to do
839[12:43:47] <EdePopede> > The following NEW packages will
be installed: bubblewrap flatpak libgpgme11 libostree-1-1
xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
840[12:43:53] <EdePopede> that's how it should look like
841[12:44:02] <oxek> there's #flatpak on freenode, and they
are very helpful in there if you need any help
866[12:48:03] <EdePopede> btw, afaik the romans really did it.
the girls got names, the boys only numbers. chances were not small
after all they'd die before they would need it in one of their
wars.
874[12:52:28] <ratrace> so the Rösch company should TM the
name in category "Software" and Worldwide. probably 7 or 8
figured sum in euros. they ain't selling that much detergent
lol
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876[12:53:34] <EdePopede> seems intel won
replaced-url
877[12:54:05] <ratrace> (obviously, sine we're (and Intel
is) still calling them Pentiums and not Specexechole-iums)
895[13:10:47] <EdePopede> ratrace, oxek, just to finalize it
(finally remembered the name): shop owners were sued for advertizing
intel's Triton chipset in their windows. there was a dutch
company owning Tricon™ - DM1300 for each case. since you now
may know *where* it happened you also could imagine *who* the
responsible lawyer was - a certain Günter Freiherr von
Gravenreuth. if you feel like it, give google translate a try
924[13:33:42] *** StathisA_ is now known as StathisA
925[13:34:09] <cosimone> hello, this may be a stupid question,
but is there anyone here using qemu for virtual machines? how do i
get the guest to automatically resize its resolution when resizing
the window? it worked with the exact same image (with spice guest
tools installed of course) on a newer version on other
distributions, but it doesn't seem to work on the current
version in debian stable (3.1.0 if i'm not mistaken)
926[13:34:30] <cosimone> am i missing some package on the host?
it could be a spice related thing, but i'm not quite sure where
to look at
953[13:54:35] <hid3> Hello everyone. I have specified
SystemMaxUse=10G entry in /etc/systemd/journald.conf file. However,
' journalctl --disk-usage' still returns size much over
that. How do I invoke the "housekeeping" mechanism to get
rid of the overhead data?
1100[16:11:23] <EdePopede> NetTerminalGene: none. because nothing
works as expected.
1101[16:11:50] <EdePopede> trying since last night to get matrix
onto this box but there's not a single client available i could
use
1102[16:12:02] <oxek> EdePopede: nothing works as expected?
Explain.
1103[16:13:14] <EdePopede> oxek: the only thing i managed is an
account using the website of Element. dis was it.
1104[16:14:43] <oxek> I tried it a couple hours ago, using
flatpak, and had a working nheko, fractal, spectral, quaternion and
element.
1105[16:14:49] <EdePopede> tried gomuks first or what it's
called, terminal client, looked ok. can't do anything it seems.
then that Fractal or what its name is, which means Flatpak. started,
but didn't let me into my account. no idea what it didn't
like.
1106[16:15:10] <ratrace> linux gud for servahs. dextop linux
sucks.
1107[16:15:32] <oxek> all matrix clients suck right now
1108[16:15:35] <ratrace> install windows in vm, enjoy matrix.
windows-sound-ta-daaaa.jpg
1109[16:16:40] <EdePopede> you're right. lienucks is for
developers only after all
1123[16:24:22] <chocolate> Is there a package like ircd-hybrid to
install in the server, but for making video calls when the
connection is cone locally in the server?
1134[16:27:55] <EdePopede> i installed a debian on a former XP
computer some years ago and waited for the problems. there was only
one, a firefox bookmark disappeared. dragged away, so you can
imagine his competence. used the system for a few years without even
noticing a difference.
1137[16:29:18] <EdePopede> there were 2 initial reasons: first he
couldn't listen and HAD TO click "register your
windows", and then it was not localized for him. turned out
this all wasn't an issue anymore with squeeze or what it was.
1140[16:35:14] <EdePopede> the xdg-portal things are still
running as children of user systemd, so does flatpak-session-helper
- though they are all deleted ofc because purge. what's going
on?
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1158[16:56:23] <urk> EdePopede: not sure. I got as far as set
root=(hd0, msdos1), but not sure as to what ti do with rhe linux
command line after that.
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1160[16:58:06] <EdePopede> urk: i had this during my freezing
era. fsck happened during boot, but i also had to do it manually on
the shell a few times
1215[17:13:08] <drzacek> if the module is missing then it's
bonkers, can't help with that. you'll need live system on
pendrive, get some light live debian iso and boot from there, then
fix grub from there
1246[17:43:40] <ZeroBeholder> I am trying to play with LDAP and
kerberos (no need to tie into AD or Windows anything). It seems like
LDAP will do centralized authentication by itself, but using
kerberos with it is icing on the cake and incrementally more secure.
Would you all recommend trying to both all at once or figure out
LDAP then add kerberos functionality second? If you had to relearn
the same stuff today, where would you start?
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1248[17:48:02] <trysten> usermod -aG <group> <user>
is a simple pattern but I cannot remember it!
1255[17:51:01] <phogg> ZeroBeholder: I would suggest ldap first,
mix in kerberos after. Or, freeIPA from the start
1256[17:51:32] <ZeroBeholder> Yeah, I hear you. As I get older, I
look at commands that I should mostly know because I do use them
regularly-- like usermod or mount (CD/DVD, VM disks, USB flash
drives...). When I have choices of commands, I try to stick to the
ones that work on more distros.
1257[17:51:40] <urk> Got bumped, but back. Cell ph disconnects
channel if screen is minimized for too long
1258[17:52:03] <ZeroBeholder> phogg: Thanks, it seemed like that
might be a strategy to minimize initial complexity.
1259[17:53:47] <ZeroBeholder> trysten: how could I forget
systemctl and is it --list-units don't know. Use it all the
time. Know that system --status-all is the parallel command I want
systemctl to give me information for.
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1265[17:55:52] <urk> I am still trying to fix grub2, but stuck at
the line for setting the kernel. I enter "linux
/boot/vmlinux-4.4.9.210-generic and receive error unknown command
linux
1267[17:56:35] <ZeroBeholder> phogg: I really like FreeIPA when I
can give it its own Public IP address-- setting up FreeIPA with DNS
behind NAT has been less fun. Also, I wanted to learn some of the
behind the scenes magic FreeIPA was doing for me.
1268[17:57:16] <urk> Can someone again send me the link to the
page on fixing grub? Page got closed accidentally on my cell phone.
1269[17:57:38] <phogg> ZeroBeholder: I mentioned it in case you
were more interested in turn-key results than learning the bits and
pieces. For learning it's less useful.
1271[17:59:48] <urk> I found the page in my cell phone browser
history so ignore my last request.
1272[17:59:58] <ZeroBeholder> phogg: Agreed. I wanted to use what
I implemented at work at home-- FreeIPA is such a nice tool for
managing your own low level centralized authentication,
authorization, DNS, and certificates for machine to machine data
communication security. Turns out it isn't great for the home
gamer, so I thought it was time to grow a little.
1287[18:14:03] <urk> And get: error symbol
"grub_calloc" not found. Dicymentation I found onli e
indicates to reinstall grub, but not sure how to do that.
1300[18:21:04] <ZeroBeholder> urk: worse, maybe do a hardware
checkup to make sure your RAM is good and your disk are in okay
shape. Bad bits are equally great at causing similar problems to
human error.
1301[18:21:18] <urk> Somiaj: Need to first fix the stsyem that I
was planning on downloading bullseye to. Its an ancient 32-bit
system that periodically locks up.
1306[18:23:42] <urk> ZeroBeholder: System was not properly shut
down which likely caused the problem. First need to figure out how
to reinstall grub when in grub rescue>
1317[18:27:50] <urk> ZeroBeholder: I have been runnng the same
32-bit OS for awhile so not sure how relevant it would be to run a
checksum of the install media.
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1393[19:49:17] <foormea> hi. i have an issue with ipv6 and
systemd-networkd. i want my http services and my ssh service to run
on separate, static ipv6 addresses. i've added 2
"Address=<a:b:c:d:e:f:0:1>" in my
/etc/systemd/network/<interface>.conf. addresses are created
on boot. but... it seems like the system stops using ipv6 if i do
that. if i don't add those 2 "Address=" lines and if
i manually add those 2 ipv6 addresses with "ip addr add ... dev
...",
1426[20:04:43] <cws> In the future, if you're going to
redact IPv6 addresses, only redact the third and fourth segments
(out of 8 total).
1427[20:05:07] <foormea> now, silly question. i'm a total
ipv6 noob. how do i find my router/box's ipv6 address? i have
its link-local address, do i just replace the first 4 fields with my
public ipv6 prefix, and keep the last 4 fields?
1428[20:05:32] <cws> foormea: Actually, you can use its
link-scope address as the gateway.
1438[20:09:56] <m4lvin> How/where should I report about
upgrade-bugs from buster to bullseye? I updated three machines and
each time KDE was unusable afterwards. I do have a workaround now
but do not understand what happens.
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1448[20:11:52] <foormea> cws: so it seems to work better now,
i'll still need to run some tests. although sshd doesn't
work until i manually reload the config (it's already
configured to listen to its specific ipv6 address)
1453[20:13:22] <sney> m4lvin: there is a known upgrade issue that
gets stuck due to the gcc10 transition, and results in a system that
is half upgraded with multiple things broken. did you see a message
like "libc6-dev: Breaks: libgcc-8-dev" during your
upgrade?
1454[20:14:06] <foormea> cws: :D my home NAS has some http
services running, it has sshd (which i want to be able to access
from the outside), and possibly more to come. i understand it's
good practice to use a temporary ipv6 address for outbound
connections? so if i make my http/ssh services listen on that
temporary address, every once in a while the connection will drop, +
i need to update dns at every change
1455[20:14:31] <cws> foormea: temp addresses aren't any
particular best practice, no.
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1457[20:15:44] <foormea> cws: okay. isn't it a good idea
though to make ssh run on a separate address, to avoid risk of
scanning once someone already has my http address? (well i use
cloudflare's proxying but i'm not sure how exposed my real
ip is)
1458[20:15:50] <m4lvin> sney: thanks, I will look at that
metapackage. I did not have that message in my transcript and
besides KDE plasma everything else seems fine.
1459[20:16:02] <m4lvin> sney: I do have "libgcc-8-dev:amd64:
dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested" in
the log, but that looks normal.
1460[20:16:58] <sney> m4lvin: ok, good to hear. must be a new
issue. you may want to skim the plasma source package changelogs for
clues as well.
1461[20:17:14] <mutante> foormea: scanning happens all the time,
it's like natural background noise, it shouldn't be very
concerning if you avoid using passwords in favor of keys
1463[20:18:01] <foormea> cws: also, if i don't use the temp
address, i'm not sure how to make networkd NOT expose my MAC
address. this is my sysctl file:
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1465[20:18:31] <foormea> the `scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr
noprefixroute` address always ends up with my MAC in it
1466[20:18:34] <mutante> foormea: your MAC address is only there
until the next hop to a router
1467[20:18:34] <cws> Why would you care about your mac address?
1468[20:18:53] <cws> mutante: Not entirely true, its used to
construct an EUI64-format address.
1469[20:19:05] <cws> So someone remotely could reverse your ipv6
address to get your mac address, and... who cares?
1470[20:19:28] <foormea> cws: well, in a way i don't, but i
don't understand how NetworkManager can completely hide it, but
i can't manage to achieve the same via networkd
1471[20:19:34] <mutante> ok, you can also set the MAC to
something random
1472[20:19:37] <cws> foormea: Why do you *care*?
1473[20:20:51] <mutante> security-wise it's more concerning
what sshd and version that NAS is running
1474[20:20:52] <foormea> cws: i'd like to understand how to
make networkd use a random address or an address of my choice :)
i'd like to better understand networkd. i understand the
"fear" of exposing a MAC address is largely unfounded
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1477[20:21:30] <cws> foormea: its not largely unfounded, its
completely unfounded. So again, why do you care? This is not
something you NEED to mess with.
1480[20:22:14] <foormea> cws: let's say, i'll need to
change the network card and would like to retain some sort of
stability in my setup, i wouldn't like to edit my DNS entries
when i do
1481[20:22:39] <mutante> foormea: I wonder if you can change the
configuration of the sshd on the NAS, you can do thing like disable
the banner entirely, disallow insecure ciphers, disable password
auth, maybe change port...
1494[20:28:39] <foormea> what gets me confused (and i realise
that hiding a MAC is not useful), is how to set the "main"
global address to something else than MAC-based via
systemd-networkd.
1495[20:29:17] <mutante> edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart
networking?
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1534[21:03:47] *** akp55_ is now known as akp55
1535[21:04:37] <m4lvin> sney: okay, I tried to report it.
Hopefully I did it correctly, this was my first time ;-) reportbug
did not manage to reach my smtp, so I copied the reuslt to my normal
mail client...
1536[21:06:13] <sney> m4lvin: you'll get an email with a
link to the bug within the next hour if it worked, which it probably
did.
1601[22:03:47] *** Lord_of_Life_ is now known as Lord_of_Life
1602[22:04:04] <XLS202> Hey, I have a problem that my network
slows way done and gets unstable as soon as start a few applications
(minecraft server) on my server. The load is in the most times below
3 and I have a lot of memory free. If I have nothing running, I get
a speed of around 950mbit/s, but if the applications are running it
drops to 150 to 500mbit/s. Could
1614[22:07:41] <XLS202> sney: no it is not a VM. But there are
running VMs on the server, but they dont make problems. And I only
find tools to troubleshoot HDD bottlenecks
1615[22:09:47] <karlpinc> XLS202: vmstat, iostat (in the systat
package) for cpu and IO, respectively. netstat is the classic for
network throughput.
1616[22:11:06] <karlpinc> XLS202: Never hurts to look in the
syslog and dmesg output.
1617[22:13:26] <Stx> Start applications one by one and run your
diagnostics; you will see which one causes problems. Looking at the
overall data/output from diagnostic tools when everything is already
running is not gonna give you any valuable information. Use the
exclusion method.
1618[22:14:18] <sney> rule out java first, there's a good
chance it's the culprit somehow
1620[22:16:57] <XLS202> Also i just used vmstat while doing a
test with iperf. Maybe you see my problem.
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1621[22:19:00] <XLS202> Stx and sney the problem starts with the
first application. But its sadly not possible to not use Java, I
rent out the servers.
1623[22:20:21] <karlpinc> XLS202: Is that a lot of interrupts?
Maybe something is hitting the nic?
1624[22:25:42] <XLS202> karlpinc I dont know how much a lot is. I
am new to troubleshooting such deep problems. But I recorded them
with dstat, after the line "327680-edge xhci_hcd 157" i
startet iperf.
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1649[22:57:19] <karlpinc> I'm wondering if
"segs_out" and "segs_in" of `ss -i` is a packet
count (and if there's any way to get this per-second with ss).
1664[23:09:15] <th0r> karlpinc, like I said, it has been years
(like, maybe 20) since I was collecting detailed performance on
networks. But at that time snmp was the only way to go for detailed
data.
1665[23:09:33] <XLS202> karlpinc: On my server is telegraf
collecting the data. I had it already setup, I only forgot it..
1666[23:10:16] <Stx> XLS202: Are you certain its not a hardware
bottleneck? server/switches/router issues?
1667[23:11:59] <XLS202> Stx: I am 99% certain it has something
todo with the server or the software running on it. Because if I
stop every application the network runs fine.
1668[23:14:29] <XLS202> Stx: I just tested it again to be sure.
It has something todo with the java applications that they are
creating somewhere a bottleneck
1678[23:27:24] <XLS202> Stx: I hate networking! Now I am
completly confuesd. Also the speed to another node in the network
(via the same Switch) is at maximum speed. But the confusing thing
is that from that node the speed to the Server is also way better.
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1682[23:31:13] <Stx> XLS202: Hah. Alright, aslong as you´re
certain that the /network/ isnt affected - then you´ve done
another exclusion, and it seems you might be right - its a server
issue. I just wanted to confirm its not a network issue.
1685[23:31:48] <Stx> XLS202: Did you optimize the network card
settings in the server for RX/TX? What kind of server is it?
1686[23:36:06] <XLS202> I didnt optimize anything. And it has a
Supermicro X11SPi-TF mainboard, Xeon Silver 4210 CPU, 96GB RAM and I
use the build in X722 NIC at gigabit speed.
1687[23:36:45] <XLS202> I also updated the driver today to
version 2.15.9
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1695[23:42:16] <karlpinc> XLS202: That's a clue. Does the
problem go away if you "un-update the driver"?
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1697[23:43:12] <XLS202> karlpinc: No, I updated it as I attempt.
I am struggling since months with this problem.
1698[23:43:36] <XLS202> *as a attempt to fix it
1699[23:45:00] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, I fetched the source for
ffmpeg because I want to build enabling opencl use to get some
opencl filter(s). Since this is for internal use I don't really
need to do this, but just in case, does anybody know what the right
build dep package for opencl library is to add it to build deps? I
know I can compile opencl stuff so I have the right packages, but
not sure, I have nvidia-opencl-dev
1700[23:45:01] <SpeakerToMeat> which is nvidia specific, but I
don't see any "provides" with a generic name, it
depends on ocl-icd-opencl-dev but not sure that's the right one
either.... there's opencl-headers but that sounds too specific
to be a generic "dev" (meta)package
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1703[23:45:57] <SpeakerToMeat> ... nevermind, the control package
already has the right one built in, only commented out... duh
1704[23:46:04] <Stx> XLS202: if you do watch -n2 ifconfig
<optional interface> - do you see any dropped packets? If so -
you could always try to raise the RX/TX buffer using ethtool -G
$iface rx/rx 1024/2048/4096 ...(ethtool -g $iface will give you the
current settings). Doing this might be good, or bad, you should do
your own reading and decide upon it.
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1711[23:50:18] <XLS202> Stx: the number of dropped packets does
not increase. And a information i forgot: I use a bridge on the
interface, could this cause this problem?