• 0[00:00:21] <n11cky> didn't know about quilt, i'll look into it.
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• 2[00:01:05] <somiaj> n11cky: do you want to apply the patch to your own backport or try to get it into the debian backport. Debian backports don't have security support, but you can use the BTS and report a bug with the patch attached and see if the matainer will apply the patch and upload a new package.
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• 6[00:02:42] <n11cky> somiaj: ideally I'll rebuild the package with my patch and make sure it applies cleanly and fixes the bug, then report. I just want to make sure that I'm submitting things in the way that is most useful for the maintainer.
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• 9[00:03:07] <n11cky> and I wasn't sure if that was a whole debian/ tar, or if that meant just the patch, or whatever.
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• 12[00:03:55] <somiaj> n11cky: backports are created from the source in stretch. The debian/ will contain the patches and quilt is the common tool used to create/manage the debian patches.
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• 15[00:05:19] <teraflops> n11cky: what somiaj says is the way to go, that said apt-source + quilt then building the package is not that hard
• 16[00:05:35] <teraflops> quilt is amazing
• 17[00:05:47] <somiaj> yea and I think there is a nice guide to it on the wiki
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• 19[00:05:56] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 20[00:05:59] <teraflops> yep
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• 22[00:07:04] <n11cky> somiaj: okay, so is it wrong that I just checkout the upstream QEMU git, ran `git format-patch -1 <commit>`, and want to stick that in my debian/patches/ folder? Would it be better to do `apt-get -t stretch source qemu`, generate a patch on that, then email maintainer?
• 23[00:07:20] <teraflops> I build my own openssh debian package with hpn patches that way
• 24[00:07:41] <somiaj> n11cky: the upstream may be newer than what is in stretch. So you'll have to fix any issues of applying the patch to stretch and following the instructions on that wiki page will help.
• 25[00:07:54] <n11cky> to be clear, stretch is on qemu 1.6.x, jessie and j-bpo is on 1.5.x,
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• 27[00:08:10] <n11cky> somiaj: thanks for the link, I'll look into it.
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• 29[00:08:23] <somiaj> n11cky: if a new backport is made it will most likely be made from the currvent version in stretch and not the version that the current backport is.
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• 33[00:08:46] <somiaj> n11cky: but backports are up to the matainer. #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net may have much better knowledge of this process.
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• 35[00:09:35] <ghormoon> hm, we tried VGA=normal and nomodeset (even combined) and it still looks the same
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• 37[00:09:38] <n11cky> somiaj: i'll move this over to there, thanks agian.
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• 41[00:11:54] <ghormoon> looks like this, in graphical mode, it uses the same area, twice like this too replaced-url
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• 48[00:15:34] <teraflops> ghormoon: grab an external monitor
• 49[00:16:34] <missmbob> wait a second
• 50[00:16:44] <missmbob> what's the screen even saying? how did you burn the image?
• 51[00:16:59] <missmbob> what i'm seeing is no language i know
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• 53[00:18:06] <pugfantus> you can read that? haha
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• 55[00:19:07] <pugfantus> enhancing... enhancing... enhancing... fascinating
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• 93[00:37:40] <WangDang> What determines when unattended-upgrades are run? I can't find anything in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades, or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades, or in /etc/cron.*
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• 96[00:39:17] <ghormoon> missmbob: it's in zcech, dunno why my rommate picks that :)
• 97[00:39:33] <ghormoon> but it doesn't matter, it is like that before selecting language
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• 99[00:39:50] <ghormoon> were now trying to somehow install it from what I vaguely remember which setting might o :)
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• 102[00:42:24] <missmbob> ghormoon: how did you copy the image though?
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• 104[00:42:56] <WangDang> man unattended-upgrade says that it should be run from /etc/cron.daily/apt, but I don't have that file in cron.daily
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• 106[00:43:16] <ghormoon> missmbob: just dd to usb stick. works for me usually
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• 116[00:46:10] <ghormoon> lol, ended on black screen :))
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• 120[00:48:02] <ghormoon> and for external monitor, that hnig has only hdmi and I have only ovga one, so no way :)
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• 123[00:48:33] <missmbob> ghormoon: you did the usual md5sum or sha1sum checks? after dd did you sync?
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• 133[00:57:19] <teraflops> ghormoon: missmbob had a point, tried making the bootable usb again?
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• 135[00:57:43] <AvatarA> WangDang, that file should be there as it belongs to the apt package
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• 139[01:00:09] <WangDang> AvatarA: Hm, I wonder what happened to it. Do you know if apt-get install --reinstall apt will put it back in place?
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• 141[01:01:55] <missmbob> that's a strange one. apt-file search says it's in apt. dpkg -L apt disagrees
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• 143[01:04:54] <WangDang> AvatarA: if I search for /etc/cron.daily/apt at debian.org/distrib/packages it doesn't appear to belong to any package. How do you know it belongs to apt?
• 144[01:05:57] <AvatarA> dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/apt says so
• 145[01:05:57] <dpkg> Dingos ate my /etc/cron.daily/apt says so!
• 146[01:06:24] <AvatarA> --reinstall by itself will probably not work since it's a conffile
• 147[01:06:41] <missmbob> !confmiss
• 148[01:06:48] <AvatarA> there's a command line switch though to reinstall/recreate conffiles
• 149[01:06:52] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 151[01:07:01] <missmbob> but like i said it's a weird one
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• 155[01:10:17] <WangDang> if I run dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/apt on my system, I get "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/cron.daily/apt"
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• 157[01:11:23] <AvatarA> of course, because it isn't there in your case
• 158[01:11:36] <WangDang> Ah
• 159[01:11:42] <AvatarA> anyway, what set you on this path? unattented-upgrades not working?
• 160[01:11:47] <missmbob> i have apt installed and i dont have it. i didnt remove it
• 161[01:11:52] <WangDang> exactly
• 162[01:11:59] <AvatarA> try dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
• 163[01:12:10] <WangDang> already have
• 164[01:12:30] <AvatarA> and a dialog appeared and you have selected to enable it?
• 165[01:12:43] <WangDang> yup
• 166[01:12:46] <missmbob> yes. still no /etc/cron.daily/apt
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• 168[01:13:49] <WangDang> missmbob, according to the unattended-upgrade man page, that's the file that runs the upgrades
• 169[01:14:18] <missmbob> WangDang: i'm not disagreeing with you. it's why i said it was weird in the first place. i dont know what's going on
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• 171[01:14:27] <missmbob> never used it myself
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• 176[01:16:17] <AvatarA> have no idea how it's missing for you guys, just downloaded the deb package and it's there in cron.daily
• 177[01:18:55] <WangDang> AvatarA: that made things just get weirder
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• 181[01:20:07] <WangDang> AvatarA, which deb package did you just download, apt, apt-get, apt-cron?
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• 191[01:24:23] <AvatarA> replaced-url
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• 194[01:26:17] <missmbob> ar vx foo.deb does show it's there. replaced-url
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• 198[01:27:42] <AvatarA> anyway, reinstall apt, force reinstalation of apt conf files, and unattended should work
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• 207[01:33:34] <missmbob> oh that's cute
• 208[01:33:55] <missmbob> WangDang: dpkg -l apt is 1.3, right?
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• 213[01:35:25] <WangDang> yes
• 214[01:35:39] <missmbob> WangDang: that version doesnt have the file.
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• 217[01:36:24] <WangDang> any idea what that means in terms of getting unattended upgrades to work?
• 218[01:36:50] <missmbob> WangDang: i think it means you dont unless you copy the file i pasted. like i said, never used it
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• 221[01:37:50] <WangDang> missmbob, AvatarA, thanks for your help!
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• 233[01:46:27] <missmbob> dpkg etcher is initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. replaced-url
• 234[01:46:28] <dpkg> missmbob: okay
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• 240[01:49:01] <ghormoon> well, we managed to install it at last, the flash was ok
• 241[01:49:14] <ghormoon> just the driver detects it somehow bad
• 242[01:49:42] <ghormoon> now during early boot, it flashes that strange screen setup and fixes it second or two later
• 243[01:49:56] <ghormoon> so it is really some broken vga mode
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• 247[01:51:24] <ghormoon> rommate alreeady left to sleep, I'll ask him tomorow to dump me lspci and dmesg
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• 250[01:51:43] <missmbob> ghormoon: also consider using 4.7 kernel from jessie-backports
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• 253[01:53:21] <ghormoon> yeah, that reminds me that I should try new kernel on my laptop if touchpad already works :)
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• 255[01:53:47] <ghormoon> it segfaults xorg if I turn it on :)
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• 257[01:55:57] <missmbob> ghormoon: some other things depending on the hardware. also insteall firmware-linux-nonfree and xserver-xorg-video-intel (also from backports)
• 258[01:56:37] <ghormoon> nonfree firmware is there (I had to switch to netinstall with firmware integrated, because he has only wifi that doesn't work without it)
• 259[01:56:58] <ghormoon> but original netinstall looked the same
• 260[01:57:13] <ghormoon> so unofficial iso was not the reason
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• 273[02:04:39] <Ooze> What do you guys keep in your home directories?
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• 275[02:05:52] <AvatarA> whatever needs to be kept even if I change distro/update/reinstall
• 276[02:06:26] <acsid> a text file with the letter d in it
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• 278[02:07:00] <robertm___> why the d?
• 279[02:07:14] <acsid> it takes less space then a y
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• 281[02:07:41] <acsid> because y you need to explain something
• 282[02:07:58] <robertm___> ?
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• 285[02:09:42] <robertm___> How do I contribute to debian development?
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• 290[02:16:39] <missmbob> robertm___: replaced-url
• 291[02:17:30] <teraflops> Ooze: dotfiles
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• 293[02:18:01] <missmbob> that's basically all i have, too. everything else is online or external in some way.
• 294[02:19:22] <robertm___> I looked at this briefly before. I am a computer science student looking for experience programming
• 295[02:19:54] <missmbob> robertm___: so join a small open source project, like deluge (yeah, i'm biased, but still)
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• 298[02:20:59] <robertm___> Ok thanks
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• 303[02:23:04] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I need a mono compiler that supports c#6. The mcs man page shows it supports up to version 4. There doesn't seem to be a newer version in the jessie backports
• 304[02:23:11] <monoxane> wat
• 305[02:23:12] <monoxane> oh
• 306[02:23:15] <monoxane> >mono
• 307[02:23:30] * monoxane goes away again
• 308[02:23:38] <foul_owl> However, the mono website says versions including 6 are supported
• 309[02:24:44] <foul_owl> What's the "correct" way to proceed? Follow these instructions? replaced-url
• 310[02:24:46] <foul_owl> Thanks!
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• 329[02:32:14] <olivier> Hello, I would like to know how can I install a appimage
• 330[02:33:02] <missmbob> olivier: you dont
• 331[02:33:21] <missmbob> olivier: you simply chmod +x to make it executable and then run it. ./foo.appimage
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• 333[02:34:05] <missmbob> olivier: it's what windows folk call a "portable application"
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• 336[02:36:11] <missmbob> olivier: out of curiousity what app are you looking at?
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• 338[02:36:51] <olivier> missmbob : oh, this is a french app. His name is molotov. It's for watching and recording tv
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• 340[02:38:16] <olivier> missmbob : When I enter the command, the app don't want to open
• 341[02:38:37] <missmbob> olivier: pastebin what happens when you do chmod +x foo.appimage and then try to run it
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• 343[02:39:39] <olivier> foo = the name of the app ?
• 344[02:39:51] <missmbob> yes
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• 346[02:40:08] <olivier> okay
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• 348[02:40:46] <olivier> I have this : root@debian:/home/olivier/Téléchargements# chmod +x Molotov-0.9.5.AppImage
• 349[02:40:47] <olivier> root@debian:/home/olivier/Téléchargements#
• 350[02:40:58] <missmbob> you've already messed up
• 351[02:41:03] <missmbob> no reason to do this as root
• 352[02:41:06] <missmbob> do it as olivier
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• 354[02:41:35] <olivier> Sorry but the terminal was in root before
• 355[02:41:49] <missmbob> probably why it didnt work. $DISPLAY needed to be set if root
• 356[02:41:58] <missmbob> so start a fresh terminal
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• 358[02:42:30] <olivier> yes
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• 360[02:43:05] <olivier> I started a fresh terminal
• 361[02:43:48] <olivier> missmbob : okay and after ?
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• 365[02:44:18] <missmbob> ./foo.appimage and pastebin command with results
• 366[02:44:30] <missmbob> actually pastebin it. not in here
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• 368[02:44:49] <olivier> okay and I set the terminal with cd/name of the folder/folder/folder ?
• 369[02:45:01] <missmbob> sure
• 370[02:45:07] <olivier> okay !
• 371[02:45:40] <missmbob> phone call. bbiaf (but others will probably step in)
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• 373[02:47:29] <olivier> okay
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• 375[02:48:37] <olivier> missmbob : I have a problem
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• 406[03:00:30] <KB3VGW-> well my script is fixed and working
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• 408[03:00:43] <KB3VGW-> so we are up and going better
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• 452[03:14:35] <fguide> is there any best practice I could follow to stop having my ram cached so much? or perhaps some scheduled thing I might create to have it free'd hourly?
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• 460[03:16:19] <at0m> fguide: linuxatemyram.com
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• 464[03:16:42] <fguide> at0m: will have a look, thank you
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• 474[03:19:06] <Mead> Trying to do an internet install, and to get my wifi adapter to work, the install programs says I'm missing a firmware file, rt2870.bin. Can anyone help me find it?
• 475[03:19:12] <grantwu> How advisable is it to have /home on NTFS?
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• 477[03:19:35] <grantwu> For easy access from Windows
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• 482[03:20:57] <awal1> Mead, probably you need "firmware-ralink"
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• 484[03:22:18] <awal1> probably not, but sure ^
• 485[03:22:18] <Mead> I found that file, I put it on a usb stick and plugged it into a usb port on the system I am installing debian on, it doesn't find it
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• 488[03:23:47] <awal1> Mead, easiest way is: use netinstal cd image, the one that includes non-free stuff
• 489[03:24:15] <missmbob> !firmware iso
• 490[03:24:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 491[03:24:18] <missmbob> use that
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• 493[03:24:31] <awal1> netinst ^:P
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• 496[03:24:41] <missmbob> that is netinst :P just with firmware
• 497[03:27:03] <Mead> ok I'll try that
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• 509[03:34:59] <Elronnd> I am freaking out right now
• 510[03:35:06] <Elronnd> I had debian and windows installed as dualboots
• 511[03:35:21] <Elronnd> debian froze up, so I hard restarted
• 512[03:35:26] <Elronnd> now I can only boot windows
• 513[03:35:27] * Hello71 yawns
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• 517[03:36:00] <Elronnd> is there anything I can do?
• 518[03:36:00] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: what happens when you try to boot debian? any error messages or does it just go to Windows?
• 519[03:36:02] <Hello71> one, there are punctuation marks other than the enter key on the keyboard.
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• 521[03:36:12] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: no I literally can't boot it
• 522[03:36:18] <Elronnd> like it doesn't show up in the BIOS boot menu
• 523[03:36:22] <Hello71> two, now that you have all that vertical space, maybe provide some useful details
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• 525[03:36:39] <Hello71> for example, how did you install "dualboots" (whatever that means)
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• 527[03:36:46] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: you should try live booting into a linux distro and checking the partations
• 528[03:37:09] <Hello71> furthermore, DON'T SAY BIOS WHEN YOU MEAN UEFI
• 529[03:37:09] <Elronnd> Hello71: I installed windows, donwsized the main partition, and installed li nux to that partition
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• 532[03:37:24] <Hello71> THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
• 533[03:37:33] <Elronnd> I could then select the windows boot part from grub, or from the bios
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• 535[03:38:04] <Hello71> stop saying bios if you aren't using bios
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• 537[03:38:08] <Hello71> bios does not mean boot firmware
• 538[03:38:36] <Hello71> it is a specific implementation of boot firmware, now generalized to mean other API-compatible implementations
• 539[03:39:19] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: you can only select the boot order of disks from bios, thats not the same as grub
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• 541[03:39:39] * Elronnd sighs
• 542[03:39:43] <Elronnd> forget I said anything about grub
• 543[03:40:13] <Elronnd> from the boot firmware, or bios, or whatever it's called, I can select windows' boot partition, but now debian's
• 544[03:40:27] <Elronnd> *not
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• 546[03:41:59] <fguide> Elronnd: boot with a live cd and repair grub
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• 548[03:42:11] <fguide> that might solve it all
• 549[03:42:13] <Elronnd> fguide: how do I repair grub?
• 550[03:42:21] <missmbob> !fixmbr
• 551[03:42:21] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 552[03:42:38] <missmbob> but honestly i wasnt paying attention
• 553[03:43:13] <Elronnd> alright
• 554[03:43:19] <Elronnd> be back in maybe 20 minutes
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• 557[03:43:29] <fguide> good luck
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• 559[03:43:59] <Elronnd> thanks
• 560[03:44:02] <Elronnd> I'll need it
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• 572[03:49:32] <iamawesome> Hi is wxwidget.deb available on debian?
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• 581[03:54:30] <Elronnd> hey, it's me with the boot issues
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• 585[03:55:37] <Elronnd> I tried the grub reinstall thing suggested by the bot, but I couldn't mount the partition
• 586[03:55:41] <Elronnd> it failed with "no such device"
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• 590[03:56:54] <at0m> ,v wx-common
• 591[03:56:55] <judd> Package: wx-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.12.1-12; jessie: 3.0.2-1+b1; sid: 3.0.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 3.0.2+dfsg-2
• 592[03:57:02] <at0m> iamawesome: ^
• 593[03:57:05] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: so fdisk showed nothing?
• 594[03:57:38] <DopeMeston> no sure how an os can just disappear like that
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• 600[04:00:19] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: what's fdisk do?
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• 603[04:01:04] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: it shows you your disk partition table. i thought you where trying to mount the partition on which debian is on
• 604[04:01:10] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: I know, it's weird. Maybe I somehow got hit with a virus?
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• 606[04:01:23] <Elronnd> alright, I'll see what that says
• 607[04:01:47] <DopeMeston> malware is unlikely, how could someone profit from deleting everything
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• 617[04:05:59] <Elronnd> apparently fdisk isn't present
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• 619[04:06:19] <DopeMeston> what distro did you live boot into?
• 620[04:06:25] <Elronnd> (btw I'm connecting from my phone so I can try things in realtime)
• 621[04:06:49] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: debian
• 622[04:07:03] <fguide> Elronnd: tried sudo fdisk ?
• 623[04:07:08] <DopeMeston> fdisk should be there, maybe you do not have the privs
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• 626[04:08:01] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: if Debian is installed using UEFI, then to restore grub you must use a Debian installer image (or something else that boots UEFI). Debian Live images do not support UEFI booting, and therefore cannot repair grub-efi
• 627[04:08:17] <Elronnd> sudo: not found
• 628[04:08:17] <Elronnd> :P
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• 633[04:09:08] <Elronnd> you sure?
• 634[04:09:08] <Elronnd> because I'm pretty sure I just booted using uefi
• 635[04:09:22] <Elronnd> oh, I am using an installer image
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• 637[04:10:52] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: installer images have a rescue mode boot option. rescue mode has a menu driven repair grub feature that you could try first
• 638[04:11:06] <tx> You know what's sucky?
• 639[04:11:20] <tx> Bay Trail chipsets. They are 64-bit (64-bit Atom CPUS)
• 640[04:11:23] <tx> but have 32-bit UEFI!
• 641[04:12:22] <Elronnd> jmcnaught: good idea. trying that
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• 644[04:14:55] <Elronnd> ermmm
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• 647[04:15:32] <Elronnd> I forget which partition I set to boot
• 648[04:16:07] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: how many partitions are there? Can you work it out by size?
• 649[04:16:41] <Elronnd> the rescue thing isn't showing me the sizes
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• 652[04:16:58] <tx> fdisk -l
• 653[04:17:02] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: you can access another tty with alt+f2
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• 655[04:17:11] <Elronnd> there are 6, so I imagine the first few are for Windows.
• 656[04:17:28] <jmcnaught> best not to guess
• 657[04:17:33] <Elronnd> and the next one for booting debian
• 658[04:18:01] <tx> if this is an EFI system there will be a single EFI boot partition
• 659[04:18:16] <tx> I don't recall if the rescue image comes with fdisk
• 660[04:18:20] <Elronnd> yeah I'm pretty sure it's no 2
• 661[04:18:24] <tx> but you can find the partition type / format with it
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• 663[04:18:34] <Elronnd> it says "EFI system"
• 664[04:18:38] <tx> ah :)
• 665[04:18:40] <tx> yeah that'l be it
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• 667[04:18:46] <Elronnd> tx: fdisk is here here
• 668[04:19:01] <tx> Are you booted in UEFI/EFI mode?
• 669[04:19:08] <tx> You can't reinstall the boot loader without being in it.
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• 672[04:19:52] <Elronnd> I selected (what I think is) the boot partition
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• 675[04:20:23] <Elronnd> but none of the "rescue operations" are "install grub"
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• 681[04:22:32] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: is one of the menu options to run a shell?
• 682[04:22:42] <Elronnd> yes
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• 684[04:22:59] <Elronnd> so I have to perform the rescue manually?
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• 687[04:24:26] <jmcnaught> !fixboot
• 688[04:24:27] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 699[04:27:37] <Elronnd> so do I have to create dev, proc, etc. in /target?
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• 705[04:28:42] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: the mount points (which are just empty directories) should already exist. You need to bind mount the installer's /dev to the target's /dev
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• 709[04:30:37] <Elronnd> / /target doesn't contain those though
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• 713[04:31:06] <Elronnd> it only contains EFI and System Volume Information
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• 716[04:31:43] <jmcnaught> then you have mounted your ESP partition, not your root partition
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• 720[04:32:33] <Elronnd> ESP partition?
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• 724[04:33:03] <remanos> the partition you use to read minds
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• 728[04:33:31] <jmcnaught> the EFI System Partition.
• 729[04:33:34] <Elronnd> ...
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• 731[04:34:06] <Elronnd> ah
• 732[04:34:13] <Elronnd> what do I mount then?
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• 734[04:35:20] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: you need to mount your root file system (probably the largest partition with a linux filesystem on it). You'll be mounting that to /target. Then you mount your boot partition (small, linux fs) at /target/boot. Then you bind mount /dev, /proc, /sys. Then you use the chroot command. Then you mount /boot/efi inside the chroot.
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• 738[04:37:11] <Elronnd> here we go
• 739[04:37:26] <Elronnd> I selected my root partition, and there's an option to reinstall grub
• 740[04:38:52] <Elronnd> ...which didn't work
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• 758[04:50:25] <Elronnd> I'm getting an error with grub-install, it tells me "Could not prepare Boot variable: no such file or directory."
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• 761[04:53:48] <Elronnd> any help?
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• 766[04:57:41] <maybefbi> do i need to republish my public key after i create a subkey underneath it
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• 905[06:35:57] <cast> maybefbi: yeah, if you want other people to be able to use the new subkey you do
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• 908[06:37:33] <allan_wind> Anyone know if it's possible to boot a Lenovo P50 with netinst? I am having little luck
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• 910[06:37:58] <Xing> ThinkPad?
• 911[06:38:05] <allan_wind> yeah
• 912[06:38:37] <Xing> I used netinst on a T440P
• 913[06:38:41] <allan_wind> uefi although no luck with legacy mode either
• 914[06:38:53] <allan_wind> yeah, I have a W520 that worked too
• 915[06:39:03] <Elronnd> I ended up having to reinstall my OS, but I used a live cd to back a couple of files to a usb stick
• 916[06:39:08] <Elronnd> now I can't mount the usb stick
• 917[06:39:18] <Elronnd> and fsck says nothing
• 918[06:39:22] <Xing> They must changed something
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• 920[06:39:52] <allan_wind> I tried both stable and testing, anything more bleeding edge I should try? I am not sure how to navigate the unstable dir tree
• 921[06:40:25] <Xing> What does the bios say?
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• 923[06:40:51] <Xing> Is there an legacy option?
• 924[06:40:52] <allan_wind> find both my disk and usb drive, just won't boot from it, disabled secure boot
• 925[06:41:02] <allan_wind> tried legacy, no dice
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• 927[06:41:16] <allan_wind> are there usb sticks that won't boot?
• 928[06:41:43] <Xing> Try another port?
• 929[06:41:45] <Elronnd> allan_wind: have you tried another usb port on your computer?
• 930[06:41:50] <allan_wind> yeah
• 931[06:42:05] <Elronnd> what software did you use to write the iso?
• 932[06:42:08] <Xing> sometimes the use3.0 ports cannot boot
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• 934[06:42:10] <allan_wind> cp and dd
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• 936[06:42:17] <Elronnd> allan_wind: what
• 937[06:42:25] <Elronnd> how does cp let you write something to a disc?
• 938[06:42:34] <allan_wind> cp *.so /dev/sdb
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• 940[06:42:39] <Xing> dd is ok
• 941[06:42:40] <allan_wind> per install instructions
• 942[06:42:41] <Elronnd> yeah...
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• 944[06:42:44] <Elronnd> that doesn't work, ime
• 945[06:42:49] <Elronnd> dd should work fine though
• 946[06:42:56] <Elronnd> *have* you tried another usb disc?
• 947[06:43:02] <allan_wind> let me try all the usb ports
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• 949[06:43:31] <allan_wind> I have tried two diff usb thumbdrives, will try sata to usb
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• 952[06:44:29] <Xing> have you tried to make a new bootable usb?
• 953[06:44:38] <Xing> disk?
• 954[06:44:41] <maybefbi> cast, ok
• 955[06:45:13] <allan_wind> tried stable and testing, downloading ubuntu but prefer sticking with the original :-)
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• 959[06:47:51] <Xing> I mean whether you use write iso to usd stick agian?
• 960[06:48:10] <Xing> Or find a windows machine and use rufus?
• 961[06:48:15] <allan_wind> yeah, 3 diff isos now
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• 964[06:48:27] <allan_wind> two diff devices
• 965[06:48:27] <Elronnd> allan_wind: so your command line looked like dd if=somedebianfile.iso of=/dev/sdb
• 966[06:48:31] <Elronnd> right?
• 967[06:48:34] <allan_wind> yep
• 968[06:48:48] <Elronnd> sounds like a problem with your system
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• 970[06:48:55] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: cp *.so /dev/sdb doesn't sound right
• 971[06:49:04] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: the source arg should be the iso
• 972[06:49:06] <allan_wind> that is what in the install doc
• 973[06:49:14] <Elronnd> can you try a wipefs -af of the usb stick (make sure you don't do it to your regular hard disc!)
• 974[06:49:16] <pingfloyd> the iso image itself
• 975[06:49:17] <allan_wind> oh... typo then, it was *.iso
• 976[06:49:44] <Xing> what
• 977[06:49:48] <pingfloyd> you sure it only tried to copy one iso file (you use a glob there).
• 978[06:49:53] <pingfloyd> *used
• 979[06:49:55] <allan_wind> yeah
• 980[06:50:04] <allan_wind> too lazy to type the full filename
• 981[06:50:20] <jelly> Elronnd: that shouldn't matter if the image overwrites the beginning of the whole device
• 982[06:50:41] <Elronnd> jelly: sure, but it might be a good idea to do that just to make sure
• 983[06:50:41] <allan_wind> Good point though
• 984[06:51:01] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: have you used the target usb stick for bootable live images in the past?
• 985[06:51:21] <Elronnd> pingfloyd: would it be possible for you to use another computer to test?
• 986[06:51:35] <Elronnd> e.g. write the image with the other computer, but boot on this one, or vice versa
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• 988[06:51:46] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: not sure
• 989[06:51:50] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: sometimes you need to remove all the filesystems, partitions, and partition table on them, then create a new partitions table and a single partition spanning the entire device to get them back to a sane state.
• 990[06:52:07] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: dd should do that, no?
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• 992[06:52:13] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: in theory, but it doesn't
• 993[06:52:17] <Elronnd> it should
• 994[06:52:32] <Elronnd> but one time I ended up with a usb disc that was in a really weird state
• 995[06:52:37] <Elronnd> after I burned a weird iso to it
• 996[06:52:40] <Elronnd> wipefs fixed it
• 997[06:52:47] <Elronnd> dd with a new iso didn't
• 998[06:53:01] <allan_wind> hmm... booted my ubuntu iso
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• 1000[06:54:10] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: try what linux hippie details here replaced-url
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• 1002[06:55:01] <pingfloyd> it doesn't make any sense, but it has worked for plenty of usb sticks that I've reused for live usbs
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• 1004[06:55:19] <pingfloyd> even overwriting with zero through dd wouldn't do the trick
• 1005[06:56:15] <jelly> Elronnd: I guess some of the partition table formats have metadata at the end of the device, not just the beginning
• 1006[06:56:32] <jelly> (gpt?)
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• 1008[06:56:50] <pingfloyd> yeah, it might be when it had a gpt partition table on it
• 1009[06:56:59] <allan_wind> I dd'ed the ubuntu iso and it booted, wipefs my other stick and trying the stable iso again. So... what's the latest debian installer?
• 1010[06:57:23] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: whether you use dd or cp to get the image to the usb stick doesn't matter
• 1011[06:57:43] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: you could even cat image.iso > /dev/sdX and it would be the same
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• 1013[06:58:15] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: yeah, must be hardware support in the iso. There is zero debug info when trying to boot off my debian iso unfortunately
• 1014[06:58:40] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: also always be sure to check the integrity of the image you downloaded first
• 1015[06:59:40] <allan_wind> just tried again with the debian iso, and doesn't boot
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• 1017[06:59:51] <allan_wind> so.. thinking I should try unstable, no?
• 1018[06:59:56] <pingfloyd> no
• 1019[07:00:10] <pingfloyd> you should always use the stable installer with debian regardless of which branch you're going to run
• 1020[07:00:29] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: doesn't work though
• 1021[07:00:37] <pingfloyd> if you were say wanting to run testing, you'd still use the stable installer
• 1022[07:01:16] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: I run stable on the machine I upgrade from with a few backport items, and of course security updates
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• 1028[07:03:39] <allan_wind> so anyone have any ideas on how I get a later debian installer than stable and testing?
• 1029[07:04:09] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: replaced-url
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• 1032[07:05:46] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: ugh, no unstable
• 1033[07:06:41] <maybefbi> cast, i imported my secret-subkey into an empty gpg, and it still lists all the other subkeys and the primary keys
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• 1035[07:08:11] <allan_wind> is the hd-media ( boot-amd64-0315.img.gz) an installer?
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• 1041[07:12:29] <cast> maybefbi: consider the possibilities, you either imported all the other subkeys and primary keys, or you're not listing the now not so 'empty gpg' keyring you thought you were
• 1042[07:14:03] <maybefbi> cast, both gpg --list-keys adn gpg --list-secret-keys was empty
• 1043[07:14:29] <maybefbi> i had gpg --delete-secret-and-public-keys email@emai.com
• 1044[07:14:51] <maybefbi> and then i gpg --import private-subkey.key
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• 1046[07:15:28] <maybefbi> and then when --list-secret-keys again,
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• 1048[07:15:49] <maybefbi> it shows all key IDs. not just the subkey ID
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• 1050[07:16:31] <maybefbi> i generated private-subkey.key using gpg --export-secret-subkeys --armor edwinhere@gmail.com > private-subkey.key
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• 1054[07:18:39] <cast> question: is the primary key actually usable?
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• 1056[07:19:08] <maybefbi> yeah the primary key is usable after creation of the subkeys
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• 1058[07:19:38] <maybefbi> subkeys are usable too
• 1059[07:19:54] <cast> i was more refering to the comment in the manpage for --exoirt-secret-subkeys
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• 1061[07:20:20] <maybefbi> what does it say?
• 1062[07:20:31] <maybefbi> they export all secret keys?
• 1063[07:20:35] <maybefbi> including primary
• 1064[07:20:46] <maybefbi> ?
• 1065[07:21:32] <cast> i'm going to go to work now, as to what the man page for gpg says, i believe you can answer that yourself :). while we're on the topic, there is a gnupg channel on freenode too
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• 1069[07:24:07] <allan_wind> k, got something interesting... ubuntu iso has an apple and efi partition, while the debian installer is a single fat16 fs
• 1070[07:24:12] <f-a> I am configuring to toggle layouts. This works: setxkbmap -layout "us,ru" -variant "alt-intl," -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
• 1071[07:24:34] <f-a> but setxkbmap -layout "us,ru" -variant "alt-intl," -option "grp:ctrls_toggle" does not (i.e. ctrls instread of alt_shift)
• 1072[07:24:41] <allan_wind> isn't the installer uefi compatible
• 1073[07:24:43] <allan_wind> ?
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• 1075[07:24:48] <f-a> it's not mission critical, but how can I diagnose why it does not work?
• 1076[07:25:45] <allan_wind> f-a: you can use xmodmap to remap keys. There is a readme, if you haven't seen it in /usr/share/X11/xkb or something like that that with the valid options
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• 1078[07:28:12] <f-a> allan_wind: thanks. also replaced-url
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• 1080[07:30:07] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: Debian installer images support UEFI. what is the filename of the image you're using?
• 1081[07:30:41] <allan_wind> debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso debian-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso
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• 1084[07:31:21] <allan_wind> the iso, however, is not uefi which I think is what this box needs to boot
• 1085[07:32:11] <jmcnaught> those ISO images both support UEFI. You're not getting any error message at all?
• 1086[07:32:40] <allan_wind> no, it just fails to boot, and goes back to bios select device to boot
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• 1090[07:33:37] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: does it work on different computer?
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• 1093[07:34:03] <allan_wind> ah... ha
• 1094[07:34:19] <allan_wind> I grabbed the debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and that boots
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• 1096[07:34:48] <allan_wind> oh... never mind, still the ubuntu iso
• 1097[07:34:56] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: do you happen to know if this computer uses NVMe?
• 1098[07:35:15] <allan_wind> it has but using plain old usb stick and a sata ssd
• 1099[07:35:31] <allan_wind> has support for it, none installed
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• 1101[07:36:40] <jmcnaught> okay because from what i understand jessie requires additional steps during th installer to add a kernel from backports on some nvme systems
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• 1103[07:37:38] <allan_wind> have a ptr to those steps by any chance?
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• 1110[07:40:24] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: did you disable secure boot?
• 1111[07:40:45] <allan_wind> yeah, 100 times or so, it seems to reset to last known config when it fails to boot
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• 1116[07:41:58] <Elronnd> I'm trying to install virtualbox, but it fails to handle the kernel module correctly
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• 1118[07:42:02] <Elronnd> replaced-url
• 1119[07:42:20] <Elronnd> I *Do* have linux-headers-amd64 installed
• 1120[07:42:36] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: if ubuntu boots but debian doesn't, i suspect secure boot. why is it reverting to secure boot being enabled?
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• 1122[07:43:00] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: bios trying to helpful, I think
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• 1124[07:44:17] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: i've only seen people get guided through the process here on IRC, but it's not very difficult. There's a blog entry about it: replaced-url
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• 1127[07:44:59] <allan_wind> cool thx
• 1128[07:45:09] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: once you get Debian installed you should consider making a page for your model on replaced-url
• 1129[07:46:15] <allan_wind> yeah
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• 1133[07:47:05] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: come versions of these to packages with the command "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64"
• 1134[07:47:10] <allan_wind> hmm... ok, something weird, I have this 32gb usb stick, and after I dd'ed the debian iso to it, I don't seem to be able to overwrite it again
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• 1136[07:47:53] <allan_wind> dd fails with insufficient diskspace; wipefs -af /dev/sdb seems to clear the partition alright but dd still fails
• 1137[07:47:58] <Elronnd> jmcnaught: what are the implications on that for me, as a user?
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• 1139[07:48:01] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: what is the disk label type?
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• 1141[07:48:17] <Elronnd> s/on/of/g
• 1142[07:48:29] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: run it as a regular user, it's a query info command that doesn't make changes
• 1143[07:48:35] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: "man apt-cache"
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• 1145[07:49:46] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: after wipfefs none
• 1146[07:49:58] <allan_wind> says Disk /dev/sdb: 10.5MB
• 1147[07:50:02] <allan_wind> (parted)
• 1148[07:50:08] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: sorry i meant to say compare not come. If the versions don't match, your virtualbox-dkms package makes a module for the wrong kernel
• 1149[07:50:40] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: i don't know what wipfefs is
• 1150[07:50:52] <Elronnd> jmcnaught: oh, I see
• 1151[07:51:02] <allan_wind> [13754.649755] sd 21:0:0:0: [sdb] 62562239 512-byte logical blocks: (32.0 GB/29.8 GiB)
• 1152[07:51:06] <Elronnd> yeah, the installed and candidate version for linux-image-amd64 didn't match
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• 1154[07:51:17] <Elronnd> so I'm doing a dist-upgrade now
• 1155[07:51:19] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: someone suggested I use that, I guess, to wipe the partition table
• 1156[07:51:26] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: no, compare the installed versions of the two packages
• 1157[07:52:02] <Elronnd> yeah, the headers were 4.7
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• 1161[07:52:35] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: and the image?
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• 1163[07:52:47] <Elronnd> the image was installed 4.6, candidate 4.7
• 1164[07:52:53] <Elronnd> idate 4.7
• 1165[07:53:01] <Elronnd> as I said I'm running a dist-upgrade
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• 1170[07:54:33] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: on stable most of the time you just do upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
• 1171[07:54:54] <Elronnd> I'm on stretch
• 1172[07:55:12] <jmcnaught> oh
• 1173[07:55:29] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Elronnd about debian-next
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• 1176[07:55:54] <Elronnd> !debian-next
• 1177[07:55:54] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1178[07:55:59] <Elronnd> ^^^
• 1179[07:56:09] <Elronnd> oh, it sends a pm
• 1180[07:56:19] <jmcnaught> yeah
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• 1191[08:02:25] <doublehp> after exim restart, how much time before all process use the new config ? seems like when restart command returns, there are still process running using the old conf.
• 1192[08:03:27] <jmcnaught> doublehp: how are you restarting exim?
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• 1194[08:04:03] <doublehp> jmcnaught: /etc/init.d/exim4 restart
• 1195[08:04:44] <jmcnaught> doublehp: you should be using systemctl or service instead of calling the init script directly
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• 1197[08:05:08] <doublehp> jmcnaught: let's try it
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• 1199[08:05:44] <jmcnaught> at least on systemd, where it might be using units instead of the initscript, and where systemd will make sure processes belonging to that service are restarted
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• 1204[08:07:26] <SwedeMike> jmcnaught: last I did one of those restarts using the old init scripts, they had been migrated to use systemctl so it ended up being the same thing.
• 1205[08:07:31] <doublehp> jmcnaught: systemd was unable to stop old process, maybe because they belong to an old cession; rebooting.
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• 1208[08:09:09] <jmcnaught> SwedeMike: on jessie service calls systemctl, but i would be surprised to see a script in /etc/init.d calling systemctl
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• 1212[08:11:02] <Exileur> Hi guys
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• 1214[08:11:32] <doublehp> what is the debian way to set <<hosts_require_tls = * >> ? <<REMOTE_SMTP_SMARTHOST_HOSTS_REQUIRE_TLS='*'>> does not do it.
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• 1217[08:14:00] <jmcnaught> doublehp: I use Postfix, but the Debian way of configuring exim4 is covered in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz
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• 1220[08:15:15] <SwedeMike> jmcnaught: # /etc/init.d/ntp restart "Restarting ntp (via systemctl): ntp.service."
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• 1222[08:15:32] <doublehp> jmcnaught: that file does not contain the word hosts_require_tls (tried mins and caps).
• 1223[08:15:52] <SwedeMike> jmcnaught: so the init files have been migrated on jessie to use systemd
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• 1231[08:18:50] <jmcnaught> SwedeMike: cool. i wonder how that works
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• 1237[08:22:13] <jmcnaught> SwedeMike: it's /lib/lsb/init-functions.d/40-systemd that gets included into init scripts, the scripts themselves don't mention systemctl
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• 1253[08:37:36] * jelly wonders if greycat would enjoy the case $(readlink -f "$0") stuff in that script
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• 1256[08:38:31] <Logg> Anyone have a preferred audio editing software recommendation?
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• 1258[08:38:41] <Logg> better than audacity?
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• 1262[08:40:20] <allan_wind> Logg: have you tried ardour?
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• 1278[08:47:13] <shortCircuit__> hi
• 1279[08:47:42] <Logg> allan_wind: I'll try it thanks.
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• 1281[08:49:48] <shortCircuit__> I have a question .. I had an user .. so inside /home/user1 there was something like 1 user1 users 1218 Aug 15 23:48 .vimrc then there were user1 user1.. I mean two groups users and user1 .. now I make a new user with adduser .. and then I added the user2 to groups users and user1 .. so now from inside the home directory to /user2 if I do cat /home/user1/.vimrc . it shows permission denied
• 1282[08:49:49] <shortCircuit__> why
• 1283[08:50:22] <Choups> if i add "127.0.0.1 google.com" to the /etc/hosts, basicly i'm blacklisting google, right?
• 1284[08:51:00] <shortCircuit__> o.O u are phirming
• 1285[08:51:13] <shortCircuit__> but yeah restricting access
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• 1287[08:51:25] <Choups> ok cool
• 1288[08:51:34] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: uncomprehensible. Pastebin your /etc/groups file, and "ls -l" for files that behave badly
• 1289[08:51:44] <shortCircuit__> ok
• 1290[08:52:05] <doublehp> Choups: yes, it could fix a lot of issues
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• 1292[08:53:07] <Choups> can a ubuntu 16.04 vps server use tor?
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• 1294[08:53:53] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: did user2 logout and login after being added to the group? Is the parent directory (~user1) accessible to user2?
• 1295[08:54:01] <jmcnaught> Choups: please ask in #ubuntu
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• 1297[08:54:37] <doublehp> Choups: but if you have a local web server, you may better use an other invalid address; one not used by any service
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• 1299[08:55:23] <jelly> shortCircuit__: it depends. The other user needs to have effective execute (x) permissions on all directories in the path so /, /home, /home/user1, and then they also need effective read permissions on the file.
• 1300[08:55:51] <doublehp> Choups: otherwise your local server may produce a lot of 404 in logs. But, the address should be reachable ; otherwise, your google requests may take 5mn to expire; 127.0.0.1 is a good practice because the IP is valid, but port 80 closed for 98% workstations.
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• 1302[08:56:39] <shortCircuit__> jmncaught ... ow no didn't do that
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• 1304[08:57:20] <jelly> Choups: also try #ubuntu-server if their main channel is not useful
• 1305[08:57:30] <shortCircuit__> I will relogin and come back
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• 1312[09:01:54] <Choups> doublehp, so imagine i want to block my machine from connecting to google.com
• 1313[09:02:07] <Choups> how do you sugest me to do it?
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• 1319[09:04:17] <shortCircuit__> I restarted the whole system .. still same .. I think .rc file doesn't have group read access ? replaced-url
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• 1327[09:08:13] <allan_wind> I tried everything I can think of and I cannot get netinst running on this p50. If I boot up via the ubuntu iso is there a way to kick off the installer that way?
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• 1336[09:10:25] <doublehp> Choups: your method will work; but if you run a local web server, you will have side effects
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• 1338[09:11:27] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: as said by someone else, ag-gojek needs execution access to all parent folders up to the file; details depend
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• 1341[09:12:21] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: if it's owner of folders, owner x; if it's in the same group, group execution; otherwise, you need world execution (not good, but should still be safe)
• 1342[09:12:40] <shortCircuit__> so I should set the x bit on files and folder that I only need manually
• 1343[09:12:41] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: so, paste us this: ls -la /home
• 1344[09:12:44] <shortCircuit__> ok
• 1345[09:12:59] <doublehp> will give us at the same time a verification on your home (. line) and crotona
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• 1349[09:13:47] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: read directory is for listing content; execution, to enter it; write to create file (not modify existing ones; only create or delete files)
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• 1352[09:14:11] <shortCircuit__> :P I get that
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• 1358[09:15:01] <shortCircuit__> replaced-url
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• 1360[09:15:29] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: read file is for openning content; write, to alter content; execution to run it as a program; in many case, if you have read access, but not X, you can copy the file, and run it as your own user; in some case, this is not good; there are special permissions where you can run a file, YOURSELF, and the process will be owned by owner of file; this is the case for su/sudo apps ... to give root rights to normal users.
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• 1368[09:16:48] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: as expected, crotnota lacks X; now ... you want it for ag-gojek ... who does not belong to group ownling the folder (crotona), so ...
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• 1371[09:17:46] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: either add ag-gojek to group crotona and add X to group access, or, change the group owning crotona folder (better solution) and also set X for group, or, add X for world (unsually unsafe)
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• 1373[09:18:07] <shortCircuit__> I want only to read the .zshrc file .. with cat .. so I thought that if both the users were having same groups then I can read the file .. but I am wrong I guess
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• 1376[09:18:53] <shortCircuit__> I did add ag-gojek to crotona .. like this sudo usermod -aG sudo,crotona,users,ag-gojek ag-gojek
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• 1378[09:19:01] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: Linux is problematic and unsecure because only one user, and one group can own a file/folder; Windows NT and Gnu/Hurd can set several owners for each file; this allows finer security management (one of the rare point where Windows is much more flexible than Linux)
• 1379[09:19:34] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: most of my issues with linux are related to how files are stored on disk.
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• 1382[09:20:29] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: after adding user to group, user needs to relogin
• 1383[09:20:37] <shortCircuit__> I did restart the system
• 1384[09:20:44] <doublehp> (run a sub bash is usually enough, without even logging out)
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• 1387[09:21:04] <shortCircuit__> what is a sub bash
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• 1391[09:21:18] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: re run /bin/bash (or just "bash")
• 1392[09:21:27] <shortCircuit__> oh
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• 1394[09:21:51] <doublehp> it may avoid to have to logout and retype password (saving seconds). Check it with "id"
• 1395[09:22:04] <shortCircuit__> :( same permission denied
• 1396[09:22:19] <doublehp> so, if user is in cronota group, you need to add X to group perms
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• 1398[09:22:28] <shortCircuit__> owk
• 1399[09:22:33] <doublehp> run "id" as ag-gojekag-gojek
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• 1403[09:23:11] <doublehp> and in ls -l /home , you need an X in 7th position on cronota line
• 1404[09:23:57] <shortCircuit__> ok u mean why chmod ing ?
• 1405[09:24:30] <doublehp> chmod g+x /home/cronota
• 1406[09:24:47] <doublehp> or whatever
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• 1409[09:25:31] <shortCircuit__> ok
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• 1413[09:26:24] <doublehp> using sudo to gain crotona rights from ag-gojek to read the file could work; but much more complex, and overkill for this purpose. And depending on what you want to do with the file, it may be very complicated
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• 1415[09:26:45] <shortCircuit__> jus wanna read :P
• 1416[09:26:52] <doublehp> if the file has the proper permissions, you can simply source it, and immediately use the variables. simple, fast, efficient.
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• 1418[09:27:09] <shortCircuit__> hm ok
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• 1420[09:27:22] <doublehp> but, yes, sudo cat could work ...
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• 1422[09:27:35] <shortCircuit__> yep that works .. thanks man
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• 1424[09:28:02] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: but, considering your level, it was better appropriate to explain you details of user management in UNIX
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• 1426[09:28:29] <doublehp> and the limits of Linux
• 1427[09:29:30] <shortCircuit__> yep .. that was useful .. I have a question like if I did chmod g+r /home/cronota it would still have worked only for reading! and how is this one different from chgrp
• 1428[09:29:56] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: all Windows Pro versions using NTFS (familly and home versions use a light version of NTFS without that feature) will allow to have several owners per file; this is very powerfull (but you still need execution right on parent folder)
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• 1430[09:30:40] <shortCircuit__> oh ok
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• 1432[09:31:02] <doublehp> there is a way to avoid giving x on parent folder: make a hardlink for the file. The same content can be shared by two file names, in two different folders. But, this has other issues.
• 1433[09:31:46] <doublehp> once ag-gojek is owning a hardlink of the file, he may be able to alter content; crotona may not trus aggojek enough for this
• 1434[09:31:55] <shortCircuit__> yeah
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• 1437[09:32:11] <shortCircuit__> that is what I had in mind .. not modifying the file ..
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• 1440[09:32:52] <doublehp> but if the trust each other, they can share files this way. Then, they both own a file in their respective home folders, without access to folder of the other one, and can both alter the same content. This has many other issues
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• 1442[09:33:27] <doublehp> (if both change content at the same time, older change is lost, and overwritten by new one, without notice; it's very complex to prevent this collision)
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• 1444[09:33:54] <shortCircuit__> yeah then there has to something like a mutex to prevent that
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• 1446[09:34:05] <doublehp> and I could provide a few other mid-way cases :)
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• 1451[09:34:58] <doublehp> a hardlink of the file could be put in home folder for aggojek, but, still owned by crotona; then, crotona can allow aggojek to read it, staying owner, without X access for it's home
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• 1453[09:35:47] <shortCircuit__> I will be a little dumb .. why did the execution right make the difference ? I mean executing is like source some_file or like running a program .. so when I did the cat .. cat was executing cat on the .zshrc file and that is why th eexecution right was required ?
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• 1456[09:36:11] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: you missed a line from me 20mn ago
• 1457[09:36:39] <shortCircuit__> the chmod g+x thing ?
• 1458[09:36:40] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: x for a dir, allows to enter it; R to list files; W to create new (empty) files, and remove files
• 1459[09:36:46] <shortCircuit__> oh I see
• 1460[09:36:50] <shortCircuit__> :)
• 1461[09:36:56] <shortCircuit__> now it makes sense
• 1462[09:37:06] <shortCircuit__> ok brb lunch
• 1463[09:37:10] <doublehp> bye
• 1464[09:37:34] <doublehp> cat is not executing .zshrc
• 1465[09:37:37] <doublehp> it's reading it
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• 1519[10:12:24] <shortCircuit__> can I ssh from my android mobile into my debian and watch a movie I downloaded with vlc on android .. I have downloaded an app called termux on phoen
• 1520[10:12:26] <shortCircuit__> :P
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• 1522[10:13:01] <ranix> the short answer is no and the long answer is yes
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• 1530[10:17:14] <wnk> hi, anyone here could tell me if i did smth wrong with these tc commands?
• 1531[10:17:17] <wnk> tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1:0 htb
• 1532[10:17:17] <wnk> tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:0 classid 1:1 htb rate 1mbit
• 1533[10:17:17] <wnk> tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:0 classid 1:2 htb rate 1mbit
• 1534[10:17:17] <wnk> tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 match ip dst 192.168.1.14 flowid 1:1
• 1535[10:17:17] <wnk> tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 match ip src 192.168.1.14 flowid 1:2
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• 1541[10:19:13] <KellyCramer> Hellstorm - Exposing The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full) "Germany's most unforgivable crime before the Second World War, was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system (ie: World-Bankers), and to create her own exchange mechanism (ie: "Honest", non-interest bearing money) which would deny "world finance" of its opportunity to profit".!!
• 1542[10:19:19] <wnk> sorry kicked cos of pasting too many lines, going to repeat my question with a pastebin
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• 1545[10:19:41] <wnk> anyone here could tell me if i did smth wrong with these tc commands?
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• 1547[10:19:51] <wnk> replaced-url
• 1548[10:20:37] <shortCircuit__> ranix .. ok what is the long answer
• 1549[10:20:47] <ranix> yes
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• 1551[10:20:58] <shortCircuit__> :D I mean how
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• 1553[10:21:26] <ranix> you want to scp the file on your phone to your linux computer?
• 1554[10:21:38] <shortCircuit__> opposite
• 1555[10:21:48] <ranix> there's plenty of ways to do that then
• 1556[10:21:56] <ranix> you can put it somewhere on the internet and download it on the phone
• 1557[10:21:58] <ranix> or serve it locally
• 1558[10:22:03] <ranix> or upload it to the phone with adb
• 1559[10:22:10] <ranix> over a usb cable
• 1560[10:22:15] <shortCircuit__> yeah .. I can run a python server
• 1561[10:22:20] <shortCircuit__> in the folder
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• 1563[10:22:27] <ranix> you could even download an ftp server for your phone
• 1564[10:22:29] <ranix> I've done that before
• 1565[10:22:31] <shortCircuit__> yep
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• 1567[10:22:37] <wnk> u dont need weird things
• 1568[10:22:46] <wnk> i do transfers between pc and android
• 1569[10:22:50] <wnk> using airdroid
• 1570[10:22:55] <wnk> via wifi
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• 1572[10:23:16] <wnk> download that app from market
• 1573[10:23:19] <fingus> i am using jessie, and trying to restart mysql which works fine, but the log has a Access denied for user root@localhost using password no. is that some maintenance job trying to run?
• 1574[10:23:20] <shortCircuit__> yeah .. I can do those . I just want to avoid two copies of the file
• 1575[10:23:35] <ranix> that's a little more involved then
• 1576[10:23:47] <ranix> you could stream it from a service to the phone
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• 1578[10:24:13] <shortCircuit__> hm, that sounds nice .. looking into that
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• 1581[10:26:45] <wnk> anyone here applied traffic limit rules?
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• 1583[10:26:56] <doublehp> wnk: y
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• 1585[10:27:32] <wnk> could u check 5 lines im trying to apply on a virtual machine? ive prepared a pastebin
• 1586[10:27:35] <wnk> replaced-url
• 1587[10:27:58] <doublehp> no :) I am not good in that :) I have 3 lines that work for me, that's all
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• 1590[10:28:08] <wnk> could u share them?
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• 1592[10:28:09] <wnk> xd
• 1593[10:28:40] <wnk> i have a root qdisc
• 1594[10:28:45] <wnk> 2 classes
• 1595[10:28:53] <wnk> 1 for download speed
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• 1597[10:28:56] <wnk> 1 for upload
• 1598[10:29:00] <wnk> and 2 filters
• 1599[10:29:05] <wnk> applying those rules
• 1600[10:29:09] <wnk> to the same ip
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• 1602[10:29:29] <wnk> but it doesnt limit the download, idk what im doing wrong
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• 1607[10:30:01] <doublehp> wnk: replaced-url
• 1608[10:30:47] <doublehp> wnk: I wanted to limite download and/or (i forgot) upload for eth1 (machine is a bridge between two subnets)
• 1609[10:31:16] <wnk> thanks going to study that script :p
• 1610[10:31:21] <wnk> yes i want to do smth similar
• 1611[10:31:26] <wnk> on a dedicated server
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• 1614[10:31:46] <wnk> apply some bandwidth for each vm
• 1615[10:32:02] <girlinvogue> Fucking terrifying. Have you seen that? replaced-url
• 1616[10:32:08] <doublehp> i have 750kB xDSL; wanted to have a full access lan, and a limited access lan; people behing this bidge are limited to 500k
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• 1622[10:33:47] <wnk> ah u used it for home?.. in that case u could use also a router with a custom firmware
• 1623[10:34:14] <wnk> i had a linksys wrt54gl with a firmware based on tomato called "tomato raf"
• 1624[10:34:32] <wnk> it has a section where u just have to inseert numbers
• 1625[10:34:32] <wnk> xd
• 1626[10:34:38] <wnk> but it uses tc behind
• 1627[10:34:45] <sevenstorey> OMG we are taught such lies in schools in UK and USA
• 1628[10:35:11] <doublehp> wnk: I will buy a pro level switch on ebay, soon, that can handle this at low level ...
• 1629[10:35:40] <doublehp> sevenstorey: yes ...
• 1630[10:35:46] <wnk> :p
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• 1633[10:36:19] <sevenstorey> doublehp, if you think of it what's sicker than lying to children who don't know any better and who have to regurgitate what you tell them just to pass their classes?
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• 1635[10:37:24] <doublehp> sevenstorey: knowing that the teacher teaching a lie, himself, is not aware he is teaching a lie, because he learnt that from the government, and was never curious enough to proof check it.
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• 1640[10:38:49] <doublehp> learnt in class i could not take the square root of -1; took my HP48GX, "-1" , "sqrt" ... got a result that was not an error. "Sir, my calculator says you are wrong" ...
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• 1642[10:38:54] <cast> this isn't the place for such conversations, girlinvogue was a spammer.
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• 1703[11:12:14] <Mead> alright I am stumped on this, going through an install got to the "install the base system" and I have two options linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 or linux-image-amd64. What is the difference between the two?
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• 1710[11:15:38] <conformist> linux-image-amd64 is a link to default kernel 3.16.0-4
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• 1712[11:16:22] <Mead> so it doesn't matter which one I choose?
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• 1715[11:18:02] <conformist> yes
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• 1717[11:18:32] <babilen> Mead: It matters when you upgrade to the next release. If you have linux-image-amd64 your kernel will be upgraded automatically, while it won't if you pick linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 1718[11:19:11] <Mead> dang it, I just picked the one with the kernal number in it
• 1719[11:19:22] <ranix> it's like a clever trap, set by a crafty and cunning villain
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• 1721[11:19:56] <ranix> the daemons probably did it when you weren't looking
• 1722[11:20:48] <Mead> no I did it, I didn't think about how it could effect upgrading
• 1723[11:21:59] <Mead> oh well, I'll burn that bridge when i get to it
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• 1739[11:28:35] <babilen> Mead: You can just "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" after the initial install
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• 1749[11:36:20] <huwjr> hia can someone please help me with some basic raiding help? i’m being utterly thick so please excuse my utter ignorance.
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• 1760[11:39:17] <keenor> hello dear friends. what would be the most effective way of backing up my servers /home/* and /etc/ directorys to my local machine. would it best be with scp and do I have to gz the folders first
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• 1763[11:39:54] <Mead> huwjr, there are probably thousands of websites with the basic info about raid listed on them
• 1764[11:39:55] <huwjr> scp is dreadful use rsync
• 1765[11:40:15] <keenor> ok i shall man that
• 1766[11:40:17] <huwjr> yeah, i’ve read through a few, tried out configs, i jsut don’t understand “why” i’m doing certain thinks
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• 1770[11:40:42] <huwjr> things*
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• 1774[11:41:28] <huwjr> for example; almost every guide setting up a simple RAID1 will create a small partition less thna a gb… but they don’t explain why they’re doing that, or what it’s used for.
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• 1778[11:43:32] <Mead> it is probably just house keeping info for the drive that can be read if the raid isn't working
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• 1780[11:44:02] <huwjr> so they’re just reserving some space as best practice?
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• 1782[11:44:23] <epsilon> size has nothing to do you raid
• 1783[11:44:46] <huwjr> what’s to stop me not creating that additional MD but leaving a some spare disk space for use later if required? anything?
• 1784[11:44:51] <Mead> they are reserving it to keep data relating to the raid that can be read prior to the raid being initialized
• 1785[11:44:57] <epsilon> you partition one disc as you need, and 2nd/3rd in same way, then RAID1 them partiton by partition
• 1786[11:45:12] <huwjr> i understand that :)
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• 1788[11:46:00] <huwjr> cheers Mead - where is that setup? is it strictly necessary?
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• 1790[11:46:27] <huwjr> i’ve read a bunch of cook books, and they all create them, but they don’t use them!
• 1791[11:46:45] <huwjr> they end up having multiple MDs for the sake of one.. seems crazy
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• 1795[11:47:24] <Mead> you don't use them, the system uses them.
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• 1814[11:58:39] <huwjr> yeah but i assume there is some setup necessary?
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• 1877[12:41:06] <boxrick1> Is anyone familiar with setting up LVM Raid ( Raid 1 ) in pre-seed?
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• 1902[12:54:22] <CHCl3> hi!!!
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• 1905[12:55:48] <CHCl3> I'm trying to install a wireless network it is a texas acx 111, when I go to replaced-url
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• 1907[12:56:05] <CHCl3> there are 3 choices c16, c17 and c19
• 1908[12:56:23] <CHCl3> I can't find wich of the 3 is the mine one
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• 1910[12:57:27] <Mead> aw my internet connection failed while doing a internet install...
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• 1913[12:58:33] <CHCl3> Mead do you work by ethernet or wireless
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• 1916[12:59:09] <Mead> wireless, but it wouldn't matter. Failure from the ISP resetting the DSL connection
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• 1920[13:00:37] <Mead> it reconnected, or I wouldn't be talking to you right now
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• 1923[13:02:11] <Mead> When I lost my IRC connection on this system, the machine I"m installing debian onto lost it's connection too.
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• 1925[13:03:24] <Mead> yup, gotta start over, "select and install software" step keeps failing everytime I rerun it.
• 1926[13:03:36] <CHCl3> right, but if the failure is recursive you should try to restart or reset, if it doesn't works go to the router so see the connection parameters
• 1927[13:04:06] <Mead> This happens constantly,
• 1928[13:04:39] <Mead> like once or twice a day, doesn't matter how often I reset or reboot my router
• 1929[13:04:58] <Mead> half the time when it happens I get a new dynamic IP address
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• 1932[13:06:11] <Mead> At&t really wants to get me to upgrade to uverse so they can retire the DSL service
• 1933[13:07:07] <CHCl3> Did you checked the phisical installation of the router?
• 1934[13:07:18] <Mead> yes, many times in the past
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• 1936[13:07:46] <CHCl3> so the next step is call your isp tech service
• 1937[13:07:54] <Mead> and I've done that too
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• 1939[13:08:14] <Mead> they run a line check and say the problem isn't theirs
• 1940[13:08:16] <CHCl3> so the next step is changin your ISP
• 1941[13:08:19] <CHCl3> jajajjaja
• 1942[13:09:22] <Mead> they are rolling out gigabit service in my area, I am holding out till that is available to change my service
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• 1944[13:10:07] <CHCl3> good luck man
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• 1946[13:10:40] <Mead> it's coming, they rolled out a load of fiber already
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• 1949[13:11:20] <Mead> I just hope that they don't do what verizon did and stop rolling out service completely before my neighborhood gets it rolled out
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• 1952[13:13:04] <Mead> in the neibhorhood across the major road, they started rolling out fiber and found out the gas, water, and electric lines aren't mapped very well when they keep hitting them.
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• 1965[13:19:46] <Mead> this "overwriting with random data" step took forver the first time
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• 1983[13:31:12] <random_dude> yesterday i had everything fine on my Debian testing amd64 MATE everything default system, until... "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"" happens when i try to launch Caja file manager
• 1984[13:32:19] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1985[13:32:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1986[13:32:22] <petn-randall> random_dude: ^^^
• 1987[13:32:59] <random_dude> not working /join #debian-next
• 1988[13:33:29] <random_dude> why its not on freenode -_-
• 1989[13:33:41] <themill> because most debian channels are not
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• 1992[13:35:00] <random_dude> i think Caja cant find library. "ldd /usr/bin/caja" didnt return anything usefull. how to check what path Caja looking for?
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• 1999[13:37:05] <random_dude> "ldd /usr/bin/caja | grep canberra" return nothing. weird
• 2000[13:37:18] <conformist> random_dude: libcanberra-gtk3-module
• 2001[13:37:30] <xyassin> strace caja 2&>1 | grep can
• 2002[13:37:31] <Mead> hold on, thereis a another irc network with more debian channels?
• 2003[13:37:54] <missmbob> !oftc move
• 2004[13:37:55] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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• 2006[13:38:32] <petn-randall> random_dude: It does help reading the full message.
• 2007[13:38:45] <Mead> that was like 10 years ago, haha
• 2008[13:39:01] <missmbob> Mead: yes. and a lot of things only exist there. such as #debian-next
• 2009[13:39:28] <Mead> I didn't even know there was a debian irc server...
• 2010[13:39:41] <missmbob> it's a cname pointing to oftc is all
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• 2013[13:41:05] <Mead> I must explore this network while this install is running
• 2014[13:41:40] <random_dude> xyassin: sorry, but "strace caja 2&>1 | grep can" and Caja trying to open file "2". adding "strace caja -- 2&>1 | grep can" wont help much
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• 2018[13:43:22] <Mead> hum, what was the drama that had OFTC startup? The MOTD makes it sound just like freenode
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• 2021[13:44:59] <babilen> dpkg: oftc move
• 2022[13:44:59] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
• 2023[13:45:02] <babilen> Mead: ^
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• 2027[13:45:48] <Manis> Hi. I'm trying to configure the default for the Gnome desktop. All guides I find modify /etc/dbus/..., but this is not present in Debian. How can I get it?
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• 2029[13:46:57] <Mead> babilen: someone else had set off that trigger already, thanks though.
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• 2031[13:48:04] <babilen> Mead: I realised shortly thereafter :)
• 2032[13:48:07] <random_dude> who knows bash, how do i end "strace" args?
• 2033[13:48:17] <babilen> random_dude: The #bash channel comes to mind
• 2034[13:48:38] <Mead> what does "SPI" stand for?
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• 2036[13:49:27] <random_dude> babilen: do bash talks count as offtopic here?
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• 2039[13:50:22] <babilen> random_dude: It really depends, but generally speaking I'd argue that you find a high number of people "who know[s] bash" in #bash
• 2040[13:50:25] <TomTomTo1> Mead: it's an interface used by microchips to communicate or something else depending on the context.
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• 2044[13:51:11] <random_dude> arguing became kinda minstream today. dont know what did i just say
• 2045[13:51:12] <Mead> after I asked the question I found this via google replaced-url
• 2046[13:51:20] <xyassin> random_dude: sorry 2>&1 it's just stderr to stdout.
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• 2048[13:52:33] <random_dude> xyassin: thanks
• 2049[13:52:36] <Mead> learn new stuff every day, replaced-url
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• 2051[13:53:34] <babilen> random_dude: Just wanted to answer the first of your two questions (i.e. "who knows bash"). I didn't mean to imply that your topic is off-topic here, but that #bash would be better suited for a long discussion about redirection in bash
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• 2054[13:53:54] <random_dude> first line makes situation "access("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)"
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• 2057[13:54:52] <random_dude> babilen: thanks, i know bash, but sometimes hole appears in my head and i need someone to point at my mistake
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• 2060[13:56:10] <random_dude> i feel like gtk3 maintainers moved libraries, thats testing
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• 2076[14:01:56] <Emil> Okay
• 2077[14:01:58] <Emil> How the fuck do I unfuck dpkg?
• 2078[14:02:27] <Emil> gitlab-ce install fucked up, dpkg reports that it is in a very bad shape and I should install the package before attempting removal (which again, does not work)
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• 2081[14:03:12] <random_dude> Emily is away
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• 2085[14:04:03] <babilen> Emil: I couldn't find that package in Debian. Are you using their horrible "omnibus" package?
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• 2104[14:06:19] <Emil> babilen: yeah, but apparently it is fucked up...
• 2105[14:06:30] <Emil> So anything else will do
• 2106[14:06:34] <Emil> How do I remove this shit?
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• 2108[14:06:57] <babilen> Emil: Could you paste your commands and their output to replaced-url
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• 2111[14:07:28] <Emil> babilen: yeah, but it is the god damn gitlab
• 2112[14:07:33] <Emil> why must they fuck up
• 2113[14:07:43] <Emil> babilen: managed to unfuck dpkg and apt-get
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• 2115[14:07:50] <Emil> but that package is just not working
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• 2117[14:08:31] <babilen> Okay .. so everything is good now apart from the fact that you don't have gitlab installed?
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• 2121[14:09:50] <Emil> babilen: yeah
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• 2123[14:10:02] <babilen> I'd say that's an improvement
• 2124[14:10:15] <Emil> babilen: what other solution would you suggest?
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• 2126[14:11:11] <babilen> Emil: I backported the package from sid
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• 2128[14:11:28] <babilen> dpkg: ssb
• 2129[14:11:29] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2130[14:11:36] <babilen> Not sure if that works ^^^
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• 2132[14:12:30] <babilen> Could also check if a different distribution ships gitlab already and deploy on that platform. Xenial apparently ships 8.5.8
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• 2136[14:14:00] <Emil> babilen: It is backported already
• 2137[14:14:14] <babilen> It is?
• 2138[14:14:16] <themill> "it" being what?
• 2139[14:14:19] <babilen> gitlab
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• 2141[14:14:37] <themill> (I was hoping Emil would be precise)
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• 2143[14:15:02] <babilen> Ah :)
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• 2153[14:20:48] <banquise> svvvvvvvvvvvvggggggggggggg
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• 2167[14:27:13] <Emil> replaced-url
• 2168[14:27:24] <Emil> If you are interested in a gitlab dpkg strace
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• 2171[14:28:25] <McAndrew_> hi - im using debian9-testing - as guest under virtualbox5.1.6 - my audio-device is not running. anyone have an idea how to find mor informations and fix this problem?
• 2172[14:28:50] <McAndrew_> i compiled and installed guest-drivers already
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• 2174[14:30:08] <McAndrew_> im using plasma-5.7.4 - alsamixer is showing audiodevice
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• 2186[14:32:51] <srandon1242> hello guys i did a dist-upgrade and gnome has sticky icons on the desktop now... i have all the icons doubled on the desktop... why ?
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• 2196[14:35:08] <marijnfs> frick, mate's file browser, caja, is not working on either my pc or laptop
• 2197[14:35:25] <marijnfs> both have debian stretch
• 2198[14:35:38] <marijnfs> freaking thing happened already before, why is it so instable?
• 2199[14:35:40] <missmbob> !tell marijnfs about debian-next
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• 2201[14:36:04] <marijnfs> missmbob: ah, ill try there
• 2202[14:36:06] <missmbob> marijnfs: you're asking why stretch, which is "testing", is unstable? really?
• 2203[14:36:12] <random_dude> i gonna end in conclusion that better use anything that works for desktop purposes. i am using nautilus now as file manager.
• 2204[14:37:07] <marijnfs> yeah that seems to work, what are you running?
• 2205[14:37:39] <marijnfs> missmbob: I would also guess testing gets fixed quicker, this problem has been combing back since half a year
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• 2207[14:39:02] <CHCl3> hi!!! I'm trying to install a wireless network texas acx111c16, after following all the steps given here: replaced-url
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• 2229[14:47:30] <babilen> CHCl3: Why do you think that it fails to load the firmware?
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• 2233[14:48:03] <babilen> Could you paste the output of "dmesg|grep -C5 tiacx111c16" to replaced-url
• 2234[14:48:07] <jelly> CHCl3: can you pastebin the actual, complete and unchanged line from dmesg
• 2235[14:48:17] <jelly> or a screenshot thereof
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• 2237[14:49:55] <CHCl3> ok just one sec
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• 2247[14:52:21] <CHCl3> here it is pastebin.com/8WkWu6BL
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• 2253[14:54:07] <CHCl3> babilen I don't know why doesn't loads the driver, I've tried all the version aviable at acx100.erley.org, but the generic tiacx111 that was requested before was accepted by the system and no longer requested
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• 2257[14:56:07] <btcNeverSleeps> hey all I've got a noobish question regarding this: replaced-url
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• 2261[14:57:03] <btcNeverSleeps> I'm running Debian Stretch and did "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" and yet I'm still on kernel 4.5.3-2, not 4.7.5-1. How do I upgrade to 4.7.5-1 ?
• 2262[14:57:29] <missmbob> !tell btcNeverSleeps about debian-next
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• 2264[14:57:45] <btcNeverSleeps> missmbob: oh gotcha, tyvm, hoping there!
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• 2361[15:49:20] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 2362[15:49:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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• 2369[15:54:58] <user323> hi, I have installed ufw on debian jessie with "default deny" and "allow 22/tcp"
• 2370[15:55:23] <user323> but iptables -L does not show the 22/tcp rule. See: replaced-url
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• 2372[15:56:01] <user323> KDE tries to connect to port 111 and fails if ufw is enabled -> KDE start needs 5 minutes
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• 2379[15:59:46] <jhutchins> user323: Perhaps it would be better to write your own rules.
• 2380[16:00:27] <jhutchins> It seems silly to firewall localhost from itself.
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• 2382[16:02:38] <paul_grozav> hello, I have a ftp server behind NAT and uses public IP as pasv_address. But i can't connect from the LAN to the server, using pasv address, because the gw/firewall does not forward the traffic from interior to FTP passive port. Any idea what to do in this case?
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• 2399[16:12:42] <ksk> !tell paul_grozav about fpt must die
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• 2401[16:12:48] <ksk> if you are able use alternative protocols
• 2402[16:12:50] <missmbob> so close
• 2403[16:12:56] <ksk> aww
• 2404[16:13:06] <ksk> !tell paul_grozav about ftp must die
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• 2406[16:15:01] <Mead> my network install failed twice after downloading the install files
• 2407[16:15:15] <missmbob> Mead: which iso?
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• 2409[16:15:59] <jelly> paul_grozav: why would it forward anything if it's on the same LAN?
• 2410[16:16:16] <Mead> firmware-8.6.0-amd-netinst
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• 2412[16:16:36] <missmbob> Mead: how did you copy iso to the media?
• 2413[16:17:06] <Mead> win32 disk imager
• 2414[16:17:17] <missmbob> what do you mean by failed?
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• 2416[16:18:07] <Mead> when it came time to download components from a mirror, they downloaded and I get a "installation setp failed message" afterwards
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• 2418[16:18:33] <missmbob> Mead: you did md5sum or sha1sum check?
• 2419[16:18:43] <Mead> of the ISO?
• 2420[16:18:46] <missmbob> yes
• 2421[16:19:11] <Mead> I had the installer check it in the graphical expert install, said it was fine
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• 2425[16:19:38] <user323> jhutchins: is there a known bug in ufw?
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• 2430[16:22:18] <Mead> "check the cd-rom(s) integrity" ends with a message "The CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD_ROM is valid.", although I'm installing from a flash drive...
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• 2435[16:24:31] <Mead> Isn't that some form of Hash check built into the installer?
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• 2445[16:29:43] <professor101> hello
• 2446[16:30:02] <Mead> hello
• 2447[16:30:17] <professor101> I like the debian people
• 2448[16:30:21] <professor101> they are very technical
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• 2755[16:44:25] <boxrick1> My apt-get seems to be looking for a version which doesn't exist, is there any real reason for that, where is this decided from?
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• 2758[16:44:51] <greycat> It's decided from the lists that you downloaded the last time you did apt-get update.
• 2759[16:44:53] <kidney_thief_> hi, got a strange issue with hibernation - when restoring from hibernation with full ram the system reboots, even though my swap is 2x larger than ram. this started to occur recently, but the problem persist on both 4.6 and 4.7 kernels (debian unstable)
• 2760[16:45:02] <ksk> boxrick1: details? nopaste a "apt-cache policy $package"
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• 2762[16:45:13] <WangDang> boxrick1: did you run apt-get update before trying to install?
• 2763[16:45:13] <kidney_thief_> when enabling various debug kernel options I can see that image is successfully written and read from swap
• 2764[16:45:26] <kidney_thief_> the crash occurs after reading image from swap
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• 2767[16:45:43] <kidney_thief_> logs don't show any errors from drivers etc
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• 2777[16:46:24] <missmbob> !tell kidney_thief_ about debian-next
• 2778[16:46:32] <somiaj> kidney_thief_: don't know enough about hibernation to be of much help, but #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the prefered place for testing/unstable support
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• 2781[16:46:48] <kidney_thief_> thanks!
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• 2792[16:49:57] <boxrick1> oo_O
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• 2868[17:22:09] <allan_wind> Hi, just wanted to see if anyone have had success in installation debian on a Lenovo P50 or P70 (skylake). The stable or testing isos don't boot. Latest ubuntu does boot.
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• 2876[17:25:20] <missmbob> allan_wind: the installer wont boot? or after installation it doesn't boot?
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• 2884[17:28:18] <allan_wind> missmbob: with secureboot disable the netinst iso just doesn't boot with uefi (or legacy). bios just lands me boot device selection
• 2885[17:28:35] <missmbob> allan_wind: how did you copy debian's iso to media?
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• 2891[17:29:16] <allan_wind> missmbob: cp or dd just like the ubuntu iso that does boot
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• 2902[17:31:52] <jhutchins> !uefi
• 2903[17:31:52] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
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• 2905[17:32:17] <jhutchins> That's less than helpful.
• 2906[17:32:22] <missmbob> allan_wind: which iso? live iso doesnt support uefi and generally just sucks, fyi
• 2907[17:32:58] <allan_wind> missmbob: netinst and I tried both stable and testing, also tried the live image and no good either. I am speculating that maybe it's a skylake thing
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• 2911[17:34:39] <jhutchins> allan_wind: Yet the ubuntu image boots, so we can probably eliminate problems with the devices...
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• 2919[17:36:16] <allan_wind> jhutchins: yeah, is there a way to modify a netinst to use a newer kernel?
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• 2921[17:36:44] <greycat> That would be a question for debian-boot on the OFTC network, most likely.
• 2922[17:37:16] <allan_wind> greycat: not familar with oftc, diff irc server?
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• 2924[17:37:31] <jhutchins> allan_wind: There shouldn't be that much difference between stable ubuntu and stable debian kernels.
• 2925[17:37:39] <greycat> !oftc
• 2926[17:37:39] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
• 2927[17:38:09] <greycat> jhutchins: oh? which kernel does the stable ubuntu release currently use?
• 2928[17:38:24] <allan_wind> jhutchins: I think ubuntu is 3.2 while stable is 3.16
• 2929[17:38:31] <greycat> I'm not even sure what stable *means* to ubuntu, since they appear to have a "release" every 6 months.
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• 2931[17:38:45] <allan_wind> hmm... that sounded dumb, let me check again
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• 2936[17:39:06] <teraflops> also what does stable means?
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• 2941[17:40:09] <allan_wind> teraflops: stable is jessie, no?
• 2942[17:40:10] <teraflops> stable kernel is 4.7.6 according kernel.org
• 2943[17:40:16] <teraflops> allan_wind: ah k
• 2944[17:40:39] <greycat> teraflops: we're talking about stable operating system releases, not Linux kernels.
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• 2946[17:40:46] <teraflops> yeah sorry
• 2947[17:40:56] <allan_wind> teraflops: the manifest for 16.04 says linux 4.4.0 but I don't know if that is what the installer runs
• 2948[17:41:20] <teraflops> allan_wind: I guess ubuntu has LTS releases too
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• 2953[17:43:20] <jhutchins> teraflops: Whatever would be on the installer image.
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• 2956[17:44:01] <jhutchins> allan_wind: iirc the installer actually runs isolinux rather than the debian kernel.
• 2957[17:44:11] <jhutchins> allan_wind: How far do you get in the boot process?
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• 2962[17:48:08] <allan_wind> jhutchins: bios tries to boot the iso, presumably fails, and gives me other devices to attempt to boot from. There is a zero debug output as far as I can tell
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• 2983[17:56:49] <bezaban> 16.04 went with a non lts kernel iirc
• 2984[17:56:56] <bezaban> or was that 14?
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• 2986[17:57:23] <bezaban> so canoical is supposed to backport their own kernel patches
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• 2989[17:57:40] <bezaban> canonical
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• 2992[17:58:06] <allan_wind> bezaban: debian-boot suggested I try a daily netinst, so giving that a whirl now
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• 2997[17:59:05] <ScottE> bezaban: they do backport a lot of things - and then squash the commit history. You don't actually know what kernel you are running with Ubuntu even if you checkout the git, at least not easily.
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• 3003[18:00:07] <allan_wind> ScottE: is there a way to to a term with ubuntu during install? alt f? doens't seem to work
• 3004[18:00:29] <socomm> to to a term?
• 3005[18:00:43] <socomm> my inglish isn't so good, can you rephrase the question?
• 3006[18:00:54] <bezaban> ScottE: good to know, I just remember this now applies to the kernel too. I only have ubuntu on some legacy systems and I prefer not to think about them..
• 3007[18:01:00] <ScottE> Canonical will do some other interesting things in an LTS kernel patch too, such as enabling transparent huge pages which they did in some trusty patch level.
• 3008[18:01:04] <allan_wind> socomm: yeah, console, so I see the kernel version just like the debian installer allows you (at least last time I tried it did)
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• 3010[18:01:39] <bezaban> well. applies to 'regular kernel patches' too
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• 3017[18:02:59] <ScottE> That's true, it can happen anywhere; though I've noticed debian sticks much more closely to upstream kernel which is nice (traceable and less likely to break things)
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• 3023[18:04:37] <bezaban> allan_wind: I am on a lenovo x260 with a skylake
• 3024[18:05:14] <allan_wind> 16.04 runs linux 4.4.0-38 when you boot into the install
• 3025[18:05:22] <bezaban> allan_wind: while I am drifting OT, ubuntu 16.04 worked, but I landed on fedora. Everything works except the 4g, which is a known issue.
• 3026[18:05:26] <allan_wind> into the os after the install
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• 3030[18:05:55] <bezaban> Linux sinope 4.7.3-200.fc24.x86_64
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• 3032[18:06:32] <bezaban> sinope is my hostname (moons of jupiter theme)
• 3033[18:06:41] <allan_wind> bezaban: thx for the info. I did slackware to debian and it latter has been my distro for a long, long time
• 3034[18:07:18] <bezaban> allan_wind: could never get jessie to work on skylake. sadly.
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• 3036[18:07:57] <allan_wind> bezaban: I will just pretend I didn't hear that ;-)
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• 3038[18:08:08] <bezaban> there is always arch, but meh.
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• 3040[18:08:16] <bezaban> allan_wind: I did not try too hard :)
• 3041[18:08:55] <allan_wind> yeah!!!
• 3042[18:08:59] <allan_wind> daily worked!!!
• 3043[18:09:00] <bezaban> there is a good thread.
• 3044[18:09:02] <bezaban> oooo
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• 3054[18:11:02] <allan_wind> Not sure if there are logs, but for the record to get a P50 booting I had to disable secure boot then grab a daily netinst from here replaced-url
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• 3056[18:12:22] <bezaban> stretch?
• 3057[18:13:07] <allan_wind> It's daily build of stretch, I think
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• 3063[18:16:29] <HaMsTeRs> hey guys
• 3064[18:16:30] <somiaj> allan_wind: does the stable installer not support that hardware (usually better to use that than the testing installer)
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• 3066[18:16:47] <bezaban> allan_wind: the p50 is mean! You will not get the qualcomm EM7455 to work if that is in your configuration. Drivers are close, but a missing init command stops it
• 3067[18:16:57] <HaMsTeRs> i'm having issue with my debian
• 3068[18:17:06] <somiaj> HaMsTeRs: just ask your question/explain your problem.
• 3069[18:17:17] <HaMsTeRs> I'm not sure why it doesnt recognized my keyboard when I enabled XRDP
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• 3072[18:18:14] <bezaban> allan_wind: that is the wireless modem chipset
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• 3078[18:20:22] <bezaban> apparently there is a fix otw upstream
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• 3083[18:22:50] <allan_wind> somiaj: it does not appear so
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• 3089[18:25:22] <allan_wind> bezaban: wireless as in wlan and not wifi, right?
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• 3092[18:26:08] <esaym153> so the "Transition freeze" is next month, but what is "Transition freeze"?
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• 3094[18:26:25] <esaym153> trying to figure out if I should update my stable install to testing yet... not sure what the weather is like yet..
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• 3097[18:27:20] <HaMsTeRs> also the Florence on screen keyboard works like crap
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• 3100[18:28:11] <allan_wind> esaym153: I used to run unstable, then testing, and now happy with stable plus selected few packages from backport. It just works. Why do you want to run testing?
• 3101[18:29:48] <esaym153> allan_wind: I used to always run testing, bu then I got lazy. I finally migrated to using pulseaudio, but stable only have version 7 inh backport. I'm wanting the shinny new version 9 in testing...
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• 3105[18:30:10] <esaym153> looks like it might be too hard to backport to stable, so thought I'd just upgrade to testing...
• 3106[18:30:43] <missmbob> esaym153: of pulseaudio? jessie-backports has 7.1
• 3107[18:30:55] <allan_wind> esaym153: other than shiny, any reason for pa 9?
• 3108[18:30:55] <esaym153> which might be safer in january or february, since that is a full freeze. But trying to figure out what the freeze in Nov means
• 3109[18:31:01] <missmbob> esaym153: so pretty silly to upgrade to testing for it. replaced-url
• 3110[18:31:07] <esaym153> allan_wind: just shinny I guess :/
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• 3113[18:32:11] <esaym153> The only think I'm really worried about, is KDE, since I'm a kde user, looks like a lot of changed in there, going to version 5 apparently
• 3114[18:32:58] * esaym153 is still wondering what "Transition freeze" means...
• 3115[18:33:21] <missmbob> jessie has kde 5...
• 3116[18:33:25] <missmbob> you're not making sense
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• 3118[18:33:37] <allan_wind> The installer fails after I partition the file system trying to mount partition 1 as /boot/efi. Any ideas?
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• 3123[18:34:51] <teraflops> allan_wind: nope since you're using an automated daily build of the installer ^
• 3124[18:34:56] <esaym153> missmbob: eh? kde 5? In backports?
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• 3128[18:35:40] <allan_wind> teraflops: compelled to by hardware
• 3129[18:35:50] <teraflops> yeah but
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• 3132[18:36:38] <petn-randall> esaym153: It means that all library transitions have to be done by that date.
• 3133[18:36:52] <teraflops> allan_wind: what I mean is I've seen the testing installer failing so many times so idk
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• 3137[18:38:48] <HaMsTeRs> could any one help? thx
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• 3191[19:00:18] <jhutchins> HaMsTeRs: What are you trying to use xrdp for? Do you mean the keyboard isn't recognized on the system running xrdp, or a remote system conneting to it?
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• 3221[19:11:11] <bigterd> any reason why HPS+ complains of bad superblock when trying to mount an offset from an image? the hdd partition mounts ok, and no copy errors when cloning...
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• 3224[19:11:41] <bigterd> it's 512byte, so sector*512 = offset, fails everytime :/ tried direct with mount and losetup
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• 3236[19:12:41] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys what is the best guide for setting up mail so that i can send mail to my email for example overtime someone connects to the server via SSH
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• 3242[19:13:36] <cast> Psil0Cybin: google, tbh. it's pretty simple to setup exim in debian, pretty much just a dpkg reconfigure
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• 3252[19:15:29] <dogui> Hi, has anyone managed to install cuda 8 on debian?
• 3253[19:15:39] <Psil0Cybin> ah exam i was just confused because of mail vs exam
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• 3255[19:16:30] <cast> fwiw i'd just go with replaced-url
• 3256[19:16:37] <Psil0Cybin> so mail is just local correct?
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• 3258[19:16:45] <Psil0Cybin> stored on the machine it self, as like messages or logs?
• 3259[19:16:46] <cast> what does 'local' mean?
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• 3262[19:17:03] <Psil0Cybin> well i mean is mail kinda like /var/log, what is it used for if it is not sending out mail to an external address
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• 3264[19:17:11] <Psil0Cybin> i want to learn
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• 3267[19:18:23] <cast> commonly it's used to just send mail to users on the same machine [root gets a lot of mail]
• 3268[19:18:29] <teraflops> Psil0Cybin: you want mail delivery only for the local machine?
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• 3270[19:20:41] <Psil0Cybin> teraflops i want it to send to an external email address, like log files of everyday or perhaps overtime someone connects via ssh
• 3271[19:21:54] <cast> the good ol log aggregation and monitoring over smpto solution (:
• 3272[19:22:02] <cast> s/smpto/smtp/
• 3273[19:22:34] <Psil0Cybin> i see so mail is only used for the machine and won't actually send out mail
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• 3275[19:22:43] <Psil0Cybin> i need to actually install exim like you suggested
• 3276[19:22:44] <Psil0Cybin> correct?
• 3277[19:22:51] <Psil0Cybin> sorry just a little confused at the documentation
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• 3283[19:25:32] <`Kevin> >> for setting up mail so that i can send mail to my email
• 3284[19:25:45] <`Kevin> ah he timedout
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• 3286[19:26:06] <teraflops> Psil0Cybin: as in your own@domain? or using an existing one i.e existing gmail account?
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• 3293[19:28:42] <teraflops> it's me or freenode is having one of these days?
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• 3295[19:29:02] <greycat> There was a split a few hours ago, but nothing currently that I can see.
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• 3297[19:29:07] <teraflops> hmm
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• 3299[19:29:23] <Colloguy> is there a gui program for resizing/moving luks-encrypted partitions available in debian?
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• 3302[19:30:43] <missmbob> Colloguy: it's a real bitch. replaced-url
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• 3304[19:31:31] <Colloguy> was hoping to not have to go through that :(
• 3305[19:31:35] <teraflops> Colloguy: in debian? you know of any at all?
• 3306[19:31:58] <Colloguy> teraflops: none packaged for debian
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• 3308[19:32:44] <Colloguy> I guess everyone just uses lvm on luks...
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• 3313[19:33:53] <teraflops> lolno
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• 3321[19:36:41] <`Kevin> Colloguy: lvm just makes the resize easier but also just helps in general with layout woes regarding resizing, technically you should be able to just re-create a partition using same start sector and a larger end sector
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• 3323[19:37:10] <`Kevin> that isnt always feasible using a physical disk and multiple partitions
• 3324[19:37:15] <`Kevin> thus lvm is easier
• 3325[19:37:28] <`Kevin> or zfs.. etc
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• 3329[19:38:19] <Colloguy> the issue I had with lvm on luks is: distro installers don't seem to have out-of-box support for installing into an *existing* lvm
• 3330[19:38:19] <allan_wind> lvm adds complexity, though, and if you don't need the flexibility I think it's easier to leave it out
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• 3332[19:38:31] <Psil0Cybin> does anyone know what else i would install with exim4 in order to send logs to external email
• 3333[19:38:35] <Psil0Cybin> or for example when anyone connects via ssh
• 3334[19:38:38] <Psil0Cybin> to send me an email
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• 3337[19:38:54] <`Kevin> allan_wind: agreed
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• 3339[19:39:24] <Colloguy> and since I would like some partitions to not be unlocked along with the root partition, and some partitions to be unencrypted for debugging, I end up with a setup involving regular partitions and lvm parttions
• 3340[19:39:48] <teraflops> Colloguy: that's why deboostrap is better! (imo)
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• 3348[19:43:23] <farakat> how's debian compared to other distros that are stable, etc
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• 3350[19:43:38] <Colloguy> when trying a new distro, I just don't want to have to fuss with the installation process to get it to install into an existing lvm, basically
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• 3358[19:45:32] <dontknow> farakat, it is stable
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• 3361[19:46:37] <farakat> oh no I meant like debian compared to other distros like Opensuse Leap etc
• 3362[19:46:49] <farakat> like other distros that are also stable
• 3363[19:46:56] <Psil0Cybin> i like debian
• 3364[19:46:57] <dontknow> farakat, ubuntu only support their main repo and not universe repo. universe repo hasthe most of the software. on the other hand, debian supports all packages
• 3365[19:47:01] <greycat> Your question is too open-ended for anyone to know how to answer you.
• 3366[19:47:06] <Psil0Cybin> lol
• 3367[19:47:07] <farakat> ah
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• 3369[19:47:52] <farakat> that's pretty cool. so Debian can support more software that ubuntu repos don't
• 3370[19:48:00] <dontknow> yes
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• 3375[19:49:20] <dontknow> for example, on ubuntu transmission doesn't get updates. on debian it gets
• 3376[19:49:28] <farakat> wow that's crazy
• 3377[19:49:29] <dontknow> security updates
• 3378[19:49:42] <farakat> I use transmission as well for torrents
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• 3380[19:49:58] <dontknow> yes me too
• 3381[19:50:02] <farakat> I might as well stay on debian
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• 3383[19:51:21] <Drzacek> Hi. Anyone knows where the address book from kaddressbook is saved?
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• 3386[19:52:17] <dontknow> have you chacked .config folder?
• 3387[19:52:42] <dontknow> sorry not config
• 3388[19:53:17] <dontknow> press ctrl+h on home folder and look at if there is a kaddressbook relatet folder
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• 3390[19:54:52] <somiaj> maybe the man page gives the location of the data files
• 3391[19:55:07] <Drzacek> thanks
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• 3399[19:57:12] <jhutchins> Drzacek: It was obfuscated in 3.5 and I'm sure it's worse now, it was buried in .kde?
• 3400[19:57:26] <jhutchins> Drzacek: Kind of have to dig through and examine all files.
• 3401[19:57:27] <Drzacek> still looking
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• 3403[19:57:36] <rattking> could it be in the akonadi database?
• 3404[19:57:55] <jhutchins> Drzacek: Since it's assumed you wont't touch the actual file it's not documented in the user docs.
• 3405[19:58:20] <jhutchins> Drzacek: grep -r might be useful.
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• 3408[19:58:43] <Drzacek> jhutchins, yeah, I could search for some of my entries
• 3409[19:58:48] <jhutchins> rattking: In 4 there were at least 3 databases involved in the addressbook.
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• 3411[19:59:01] <rattking> heh fun fun
• 3412[19:59:15] <jhutchins> (This is the primary reason I no longer run KDE.)
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• 3417[20:00:31] <Tommeh> zobel here lurking anywhere? :)
• 3418[20:00:38] * Tommeh thought IRC might be a bit quicker than eamil
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• 3428[20:03:42] <Akuli> currently there is a zobel on freenode
• 3429[20:03:45] <Akuli> /whois zobel
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• 3432[20:05:15] <Tommeh> Akuli: good thinking :>
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• 3450[20:12:41] <converge> how to avoid sudo ask for password every sudo command ?
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• 3454[20:13:29] <`Kevin> converge: sudo into root when needed otherwise use NOPASSWD in sudoers file
• 3455[20:13:52] <`Kevin> id suggest the former but your choice obviously
• 3456[20:13:52] <greycat> <greybot> To use sudo commands in a script (without prompting for a password), put something like this into the this into the
• 3457[20:14:00] <greycat> fargle bargle margle
• 3458[20:14:08] <greycat> <greybot> To use sudo commands in a script (without prompting for a password), put something like this into the this into the sudoers(5) file: username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program
• 3459[20:14:37] <jelly> pastefail.com
• 3460[20:14:40] <missmbob> that really should be clarified to be after %sudo :P
• 3461[20:15:11] <greycat> You mean "use %sudo instead of username"?
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• 3463[20:15:32] <missmbob> no. i mean if you put username before %sudo nopasswd wont work
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• 3465[20:15:41] <greycat> Uh. What.
• 3466[20:15:50] <jelly> missmbob: there is no %sudo in that paste
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• 3468[20:16:15] <missmbob> okay, i'm clarify: what i meant was for the nopasswd line to work it needs to be after the %sudo line.
• 3469[20:16:24] <jelly> usernames can be used in the exact same places as %groups
• 3470[20:16:26] <jhutchins> missmbob: You may be thinking of the group symbol in sudoers.
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• 3473[20:18:43] <`Kevin> missmbob: latter lines take precedence is what you are referring to? :)
• 3474[20:18:45] <jelly> converge: sudo only asks for a repeat of the password if more than 15 minutes (or a different "timeout" value) pass
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• 3477[20:19:01] <jelly> since the previous usage of sudo
• 3478[20:19:03] <missmbob> `Kevin: i just suck at speaking. yes
• 3479[20:19:13] <greycat> within the same tty
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• 3481[20:19:28] <greycat> Maybe converge's real issue is that he keeps opening new ttys?
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• 3483[20:20:08] <jelly> converge: which debian release are you using? Do you keep using sudo in the same terminal/shell?
• 3484[20:20:43] <converge> greycat, jelly, im using the same terminal
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• 3487[20:20:51] <converge> jessie version
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• 3490[20:21:48] <converge> always get this message after using sudo, "We trust you have received..."
• 3491[20:22:06] <greycat> That big-ass one should only appear once per reboot.
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• 3493[20:24:23] <jelly> converge: that usually means your admin has intentionally configured sudo that way
• 3494[20:24:28] <greycat> Is there something about your system that would prevent sudo from storing your credentials? E.g. your file systems are all mounted read-only?
• 3495[20:24:42] <greycat> (Or a non-standard sudoers file, as jelly says...)
• 3496[20:24:59] <converge> jelly: im the admin, it's a default debian installation
• 3497[20:25:05] <converge> apache/mysql, nothing special
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• 3499[20:25:25] <greycat> or... reads man page... for some reason you are running "sudo -K"?
• 3500[20:25:37] <converge> no..
• 3501[20:25:39] <jelly> converge: hmm, did you install it from debian-installer iso or was jessie preinstalled?
• 3502[20:26:10] <converge> installed from isso
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• 3504[20:26:27] <converge> I added this line to sudo config, Defaults env_reset,timestamp_timeout=0
• 3505[20:26:32] <converge> but wont work
• 3506[20:26:43] <jelly> converge: pastebin the output of: grep -vE '^#|^$' /etc/sudoers
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• 3510[20:27:42] <converge> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3512[20:27:53] <jhutchins> I don't use sudo on any Debian systems, but on RH/CentOS it only does that sudo banner once per user.
• 3513[20:28:19] <greycat> Should be once per user per reboot, I think. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 3514[20:28:39] <jhutchins> greycat: Could be.
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• 3517[20:28:56] <jhutchins> Let me fire up a VM.
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• 3524[20:30:33] <jhutchins> First try I get the banner (I'm also not in sudoers).
• 3525[20:30:37] <jhutchins> Second try I don't.
• 3526[20:30:48] <greycat> Looks like the once-per-reboot big-ass-banner is controlled by the absence of /var/lib/sudo/lectured/username
• 3527[20:31:01] <somiaj> by default you get a wanring from sudo the first time it is used, I haven't seen one since then.
• 3528[20:31:03] <r0ck_> guys, shoudl I get raspbian or debian armel for my raspbery pi3?
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• 3531[20:31:39] <greycat> And the cached credentials *might* be in /var/lib/sudo/ts/username but it's a binary file so it's not quite clear. And OF COURSE the man page doesn't document this.
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• 3533[20:32:02] <greycat> So, is there something that would prevent sudo from writing to /var/lib/sudo/ts/converge on your system?
• 3534[20:32:03] <jelly> r0ck_: debian armhf ought to work on an r.pi 3
• 3535[20:32:03] <somiaj> r0ck_: we probably prefer debian here. Though raspbian more likely has an image already made and not require you to make your own bootable intsall at the start.
• 3536[20:32:12] <greycat> Full /var file system?
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• 3538[20:32:24] <somiaj> jelly: are there premade images, or do you still have to work with getting the install setup and bootable?
• 3539[20:32:31] <jelly> FIIK
• 3540[20:32:31] <maxcell_> Where is the Wiki where explain how to mix anothers repos in Debian stable?
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• 3542[20:32:36] <missmbob> i thought raspberry pi 3 was only supported by the kernel with 4.8?
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• 3544[20:32:49] <greycat> maxcell_: Don't.
• 3545[20:32:51] <jhutchins> After reboot I still don't get the banner.
• 3546[20:32:55] <maxcell_> greycat, i will
• 3547[20:33:04] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 3548[20:33:10] <somiaj> maxcell_: mixing repos can be dangerous and is not suggested or supported here.
• 3549[20:33:12] <maxcell_> where is the wiki that explain? i can't find
• 3550[20:33:16] <greycat> maxcell_: This wiki page: replaced-url
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• 3554[20:33:47] <maxcell_> no man i just want to install nvidia 370 and put this experimental repo without priority
• 3555[20:34:01] <jelly> r0ck_: I'd ask in #debian-arm (different irc server, irc.oftc.net) about the possible gory details for actually installing said debian armhf
• 3556[20:34:01] <missmbob> you want stable with experimental? really?
• 3557[20:34:07] <maxcell_> i need the wiki to do that, i cant find it
• 3558[20:34:09] <greycat> maxcell_: replaced-url
• 3559[20:34:27] <somiaj> there are instructions on how to build a package for stable from the svn sources, but you don't want to add the experimental repo.
• 3560[20:34:33] <maxcell_> greycat, i cant find 370 in this link
• 3561[20:34:49] <jhutchins> maxcell_: There isn't one, because it's a one liner: Don't do it.
• 3562[20:34:55] <jhutchins> !frankendebian
• 3563[20:34:56] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 3564[20:35:06] <greycat> maxcell_: WHAT VIDEO CARD is it? Use lspci -nn and show us the whole line including the PCI ID.
• 3565[20:35:11] <somiaj> maxcell_: replaced-url
• 3566[20:35:25] <somiaj> maxcell_: but better to see if you can just use the version already in jessie-backports for your card.
• 3567[20:35:28] <greycat> somiaj: I am not yet convinced that he actually needs "nvidia version 370"
• 3568[20:35:44] <somiaj> greycat: I agree.
• 3569[20:35:56] <jelly> maxcell_: repos are added by editing /etc/apt/sources.list, but if you mix different distros you end up with a system that noone will want to help with
• 3570[20:36:11] <jhutchins> !nvidia
• 3571[20:36:11] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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• 3573[20:36:18] <greycat> It's possible, I guess, but then again most people who run bleeding edge video gamer cards that require liquid nitrogen cooling don't tend to be Debian stable users.
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• 3575[20:36:23] <maxcell_> somiaj, greycat i have some problems with Drag windows in Linux with nvidia proprietary drivers enabled, its laggy
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• 3577[20:36:39] <jelly> maxcell_: which GPU do you have? Can you show the "lspci -nn" line matching your card?
• 3578[20:36:44] <somiaj> maxcell_: well lets figure out what card you actually have, maybe the issue is not the drivers.
• 3579[20:36:46] <maxcell_> somiaj, greycat but i discovered soon that the 370 driver is a better than the others and a have less laggy
• 3580[20:36:59] <maxcell_> 970
• 3581[20:37:02] <maxcell_> gtx 970
• 3582[20:37:09] <greycat> How did you "discover" that a driver that you CANNOT INSTALL is better?
• 3583[20:37:24] <maxcell_> greycat, i tested it on several distros
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• 3585[20:37:29] <greycat> Bah, fuck it. He's clearly NOT going to provide information.
• 3586[20:37:31] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3587[20:37:32] <missmbob> you'll never get my lspci -nn ...hahaha
• 3588[20:37:45] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3592[20:37:59] <jelly> let's see that lspci -nn line please, at least that way I can run nvidia-detect
• 3593[20:38:00] <somiaj> I have seen others say the newer nvidia drivers do help for that card.
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• 3597[20:38:10] <maxcell_> greycat, you ask for my videocard ,,, i said 970
• 3598[20:38:19] <greycat> jelly: It would violate his contract with God to give you that information.
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• 3600[20:38:23] <greycat> He would literally go to Hell.
• 3601[20:38:39] <greycat> That's the only explanation I can come up with for these people.
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• 3603[20:38:43] <jelly> that sometimes happens
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• 3605[20:38:53] <missmbob> i need that t-shirt
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• 3607[20:39:14] <maxcell_> replaced-url
• 3608[20:39:28] <jhutchins> !info amdgpu
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• 3611[20:39:52] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 3612[20:39:53] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-10~bpo8+2; sid/non-free: 367.44-2; stretch/non-free: 367.44-2
• 3613[20:40:12] <maxcell_> ?
• 3614[20:40:13] <jelly> don't see any 370.x there yet
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• 3616[20:40:23] <maxcell_> exactly
• 3617[20:40:29] <maxcell_> me either
• 3618[20:40:37] <Psil0Cybin> hey everyone
• 3619[20:40:38] <somiaj> maxcell_: those instructions for compling from svn are the suggested way to get newer nvidia drivers in jessie. Other methods aren't supported and may cause other issues with yoru system.
• 3620[20:40:40] <jhutchins> ,pciid 10de:13c2
• 3621[20:40:41] <judd> [10de:13c2] is 'GM204 [GeForce GTX 970]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 3623[20:41:10] <jelly> maxcell_: I'd wait until it's packaged, then use the packaged version.
• 3624[20:41:49] <jelly> maxcell_: until that time, use a different desktop environment that isn't horribly slow, maybe xfce or lxde
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• 3626[20:42:01] <maxcell_> somiaj, so i'm going to try this svn thing... last time i try it doesn't work but i will try again
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• 3628[20:42:37] <maxcell_> jelly, yeah thats the way out right now but, svn is not dangerous like experimental repos right?
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• 3630[20:42:48] <somiaj> maxcell_: the instructions have some things you hvae to do to get the compile to work in jessie.
• 3631[20:42:50] <maxcell_> jelly, if its not i prefer try
• 3632[20:43:05] <jelly> maxcell_: I've never tried those so I can't comment on that
• 3633[20:43:33] <maxcell_> somiaj, you mean the things he says in the bottom of the page?
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• 3635[20:44:09] <jelly> debian's experimental repo won't help in this case since there's no 370.x in there at this time
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• 3637[20:44:22] <somiaj> maxcell_: the NOTE: to use get-orig-source you'll need tar version 1.29 or higher, if that is not an option (e.g. in jessie) you can modify the debian/rules file by deleting the new tar arguments that doesn't exist in older tar versions
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• 3639[20:45:22] <jelly> however. maintainers of debian's packaging for nvidia non-free drivers do try to make even the crap they put in experimental usable on stable
• 3640[20:45:23] <somiaj> maxcell_: I haven't tried this, but the svn repo seems to be that of the debian matainers who create the packages.
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• 3642[20:45:49] <jelly> (it's a very specific thing they do, mentioned somewhere in their docs)
• 3643[20:46:37] <somiaj> jelly: so no need to backport the experimental package for the nvidia drivers then? I will have to keep that in mind.
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• 3645[20:47:27] <maxcell_> :=)
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• 3647[20:47:32] <jelly> so IF there were something in experimental, it would maybe be usable with jessie. But there's nothing there right now.
• 3648[20:47:56] <maxcell_> ok
• 3649[20:48:09] <somiaj> maxcell_: so if you wait, you may not have to build the packages yourself.
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• 3652[20:49:06] <jelly> somiaj: probably true for the dkms part, not sure about other bits. I haven't actually tried nvidia non-free this year to see if it's still true
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• 3654[20:50:14] <jelly> I decided messing with 'GL window managers and compositors wasn't worth it, went back to xfce and nouveau.
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• 3658[20:51:11] <jhutchins> There is xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu but I can't find a list of chipsets it supports.
• 3659[20:51:18] <maxcell_> jelly, do you think this problems will go away with wayland?
• 3660[20:51:23] <jelly> worse, that same 'GL crap works with an amd card on the desktop at work without issues, more stable than intel gpus ever were
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• 3663[20:51:39] <jelly> jhutchins: how is that relevant
• 3664[20:52:31] <jelly> as much as my commentary I guess... not at all
• 3665[20:52:40] <jelly> maxcell_: no
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• 3667[20:53:05] <jhutchins> D'Oh! That's the OTHER brand, isn't it.
• 3668[20:53:35] <jhutchins> I get ATI and AMD mixed up.
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• 3670[20:53:47] <somiaj> jhutchins: ati/amd are basically the same. But we were talkign about nvidia
• 3671[20:53:49] <jelly> maxcell_: honestly, problems like these will persist as long as you're using an obscure OS that vendor doesn't really care about
• 3672[20:53:57] <jelly> (that is, Linux)
• 3673[20:54:19] <jelly> learn to live with them and have stuff break every now and then.
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• 3677[20:55:24] <maxcell_> yeah
• 3678[20:55:26] <jhutchins> somiaj: I get high-end video cards I can't afford mixed up.
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• 3680[20:55:53] <Psil0Cybin> lolll
• 3681[20:55:55] <somiaj> jhutchins: I just happen to have always used nvidia, so I'm use to it. I don't keep up with the ati/amd stuff though.
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• 3690[20:58:49] <maxcell_> jelly, do you think that if linux were the most used desktop SO you would use windows instead?
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• 3695[21:00:39] <maxcell_> hey somiaj look at this line As the nvidia driver is not autodetected by Xorg, a configuration file is required to be supplied. However, the configuration described below should not be applied to Nvidia Optimus systems; on such systems, the primary X display is driven by your Intel GPU, which is autodetected by X. See Bumblebee for more details on how to configure an Optimus system.
• 3696[21:01:15] <jelly> maxcell_: I'd still use the tool that works best for the purpose
• 3697[21:01:55] <maxcell_> jelly, hmm
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• 3699[21:02:23] <maxcell_> cool jelly
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• 3701[21:03:08] <maxcell_> somiaj, it means that in the notebook we have X (kde, gnome) rendering with Intel and games and opengl stuffs rendering with Nvidia?
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• 3703[21:04:11] <somiaj> maxcell_: I don't know much about the optimus hardware, I have staying away from it. But in debian you may have to look into bumblebee
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• 3710[21:05:39] <maxcell_> somiaj, i was just thinking that the devs mayb could make the problems with nvidia in KDE and stuff go away if somehow they make xorg uses the intel graphics in the CPU works in the KDE render isntead of nvidia :)
• 3711[21:05:42] <jelly> also if you have a discrete GTX970 you don't have to worry about optimus
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• 3737[21:12:49] <maxcell_> sorry the ask, we need to add "contrib non-free" to secutiry repos aswell?
• 3738[21:13:13] <jelly> yeah
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• 3740[21:13:24] <maxcell_> ok
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• 3749[21:19:34] <jhutchins> maxcell_: Does lspci list more thanone vga interface?
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• 3753[21:20:12] <maxcell_> ?
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• 3755[21:20:48] <maxcell_> jhutchins, why you ask
• 3756[21:21:21] <maxcell_> whats the difference between bpo kernel and grsec?
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• 3762[21:23:14] <TomTomTosch> one of them includes grsecurity patches.
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• 3764[21:23:27] <jhutchins> maxcell_: Because I've closed your pastebin and I'm lazy. If it only lists one you don't have to worry about bumblebee.
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• 3767[21:24:04] <`Kevin> maxcell_: ignore grsec if you are asking about video card drivers(non-free, etc)
• 3768[21:24:07] <maxcell_> jhutchins, yeah sure
• 3769[21:24:16] <`Kevin> replaced-url
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• 3771[21:24:27] <BeautifulBash> For some reason cmake is complaining about not being able to find libGL.so even though its there...
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• 3773[21:24:36] <BeautifulBash> Any ideas? Im compiling a QT5 application
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• 3775[21:24:42] <maxcell_> ok `Kevin
• 3776[21:24:53] <BeautifulBash> Ive tried making symlinks to it and Ive also got all the needed packages installed for it to work
• 3777[21:24:59] <BeautifulBash> So in theory, it should just work.
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• 3780[21:25:58] <adc> 1
• 3781[21:26:04] <adc> sorry
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• 3788[21:26:35] <greycat> judd file libGL.so
• 3789[21:26:39] <judd> Search for libGL.so in jessie/amd64: libgl1-mesa-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so; libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so
• 3790[21:26:56] * Hello71 uses psychic debugging
• 3791[21:27:05] <Hello71> you are compiling a 32-bit application
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• 3797[21:27:25] <Hello71> since you didn't bother to provide the actual error message, or what you're compiling
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• 3802[21:28:08] <greycat> My psychic debugging module says he wants to install libgl1-mesa-dev
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• 3804[21:28:19] <teraflops> hehe
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• 3810[21:29:02] <docmur> How do I solve an apt problem where it always want me to do apt-get -f install BUT always fails to run it? replaced-url
• 3811[21:29:29] <BeautifulBash> CMake Error at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/Qt5Gui/Qt5GuiConfig.cmake:27 (message):
• 3812[21:29:29] <BeautifulBash> The imported target "Qt5::Gui" references the file
• 3813[21:29:30] <BeautifulBash> "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so"
• 3814[21:29:36] <BeautifulBash> oh jeez, id have pastebinned that
• 3815[21:29:54] <BeautifulBash> But thats my error. Afaik, its 64bit. Im trying to compile OBS
• 3816[21:30:10] <BenNZ> docmur: it looks like you have dependency hell , usually caused by third party repos
• 3817[21:30:20] <BeautifulBash> Sorry for being so vague Hello71 :p
• 3818[21:30:40] <docmur> Can I get apt to "reset" and not care? I don't need zfs-fuse
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• 3820[21:31:15] <BenNZ> docmur: whats in your sources.list
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• 3823[21:32:14] <docmur> replaced-url
• 3824[21:32:16] <docmur> bread and butter
• 3825[21:32:26] <greycat> BeautifulBash: what are you actually trying to do? Compile QT?
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• 3828[21:33:09] <BenNZ> docmur: ok , run apt-get update then try installing/upgrading what you were before
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• 3830[21:33:19] <maxcell_> debian has i686 arch/packages or just i386?
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• 3833[21:33:47] <docmur> Already did that, and now I'm stuck with it complaining about zfs-fuse, but I don't care about that package, so can I do anything so apt doesn't try install it?
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• 3836[21:34:44] <BenNZ> docmur: whats the output of apt-cache policy clamav-freshclam
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• 3838[21:35:03] <MickyW> Could somebody explain my in short, what the very basic sense of the message "insecure source" of aptitude is, please? I would be thankfull for an appropriate link as well.
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• 3842[21:35:50] <_0bitcount> Is the shadow-utils a debian project?
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• 3850[21:36:37] <Hello71> BeautifulBash: what about the rest of it?
• 3851[21:36:45] <Hello71> or the files that it tells you to read?
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• 3860[21:37:48] <BeautifulBash> Hello71, replaced-url
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• 3862[21:38:20] <BeautifulBash> tryiong to compile a qt5 application called Open Broadcasting Software
• 3863[21:38:22] <`Kevin> docmur: it is libguestfs0
• 3864[21:38:49] <docmur> replaced-url
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• 3866[21:38:58] <docmur> Until I get past this, I can't install anything else
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• 3868[21:39:16] <`Kevin> docmur: can you remove libguestfs0 ?
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• 3871[21:40:11] <maxcell_> Debian has i686 arch or just i386?
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• 3873[21:40:23] <maxcell_> for 32bits compatibility
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• 3875[21:41:02] <docmur> No, it complains about libguestfs-perl and libguestfs-tools
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• 3881[21:42:23] <ni291187> hello
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• 3883[21:42:32] <docmur> If I try to remove either of those, it complains about guestfs0
• 3884[21:42:36] <docmur> it's a circular issue
• 3885[21:42:58] <ni291187> just a test by mobile .
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• 3887[21:43:30] <maxcell_> What kernel should i install "DBGSYM or UNSIGNED"?
• 3888[21:43:31] <gvvg> Hi - due to a server crash I am moving my debian server that has 2 md raided mirrors from one system to another system. Is there any importance to the sata connectors that I reconnect the 4 drives to? in other words do I need to connect sata1 sata2 sata3 sata4 to the same sata1 sata2 sata3 sata4 connectors or can I connect them to any connectors and the
• 3889[21:43:31] <gvvg> mirrors will still work? I hope my question makes sense :)
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• 3894[21:44:22] <hamsheet> can i compile and use 4x kernels with wheezy? I have 3.16 on it atm
• 3895[21:44:43] <greycat> 3.16 isn't even a wheezy kernel... it's a jessie kernel
• 3896[21:44:51] <hamsheet> custom kernel sorry
• 3897[21:44:54] <greycat> Why would you want a post-jessie kernel on wheezy?
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• 3899[21:45:11] <hamsheet> to get the latest btrfs stuff
• 3900[21:45:19] <greycat> ... on oldstable. Wheezy.
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• 3904[21:46:17] <greycat> I do not understand the apparently contradictory goals of "new shiny unstable file system" and "oldstable userspace".
• 3905[21:46:49] <`Kevin> docmur: what version is libguestfs0 ? apt-cache policy libguestfs0
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• 3910[21:49:30] <maxcell_> when i install new kernels the intel-microcode goes with it or is needed to reinstall?
• 3911[21:50:08] <docmur> did a dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq <packagename>
• 3912[21:50:14] <docmur> and that seems to have worked
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• 3915[21:52:10] <maxcell_> I install jessie-backports kernel and it gives me those errors: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168h-1.fw
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• 3917[21:52:39] <babilen> maxcell_: You want firmware (and most likely microcode) from backports too
• 3918[21:53:01] <maxcell_> babilen, how can i install this rtl firmware from backports?
• 3919[21:53:18] <babilen> maxcell_: But the realtec modules complain about missing firmware rather frequently. It might not be needed by your card.
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• 3921[21:53:27] <babilen> judd: v firmware-iwlwifi
• 3922[21:53:27] <`Kevin> docmur: you should be ok with that, there are various bug reports regarding libguestfs's dependencies on zfs-fuse
• 3923[21:53:28] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160824-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160824-1; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1
• 3924[21:53:34] <babilen> judd: v firmware-broadcom
• 3925[21:53:35] <judd> No package named 'firmware-broadcom' was found in amd64.
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• 3930[21:54:13] <babilen> judd: v firmware-realtec
• 3931[21:54:14] <judd> No package named 'firmware-realtec' was found in amd64.
• 3932[21:54:19] <hamsheet> greycat: except that btrfs was not as stable back then
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• 3934[21:54:23] <babilen> judd: v firmware-realtek
• 3935[21:54:24] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160824-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160824-1; stretch/non-free: 20160824-1
• 3936[21:54:27] <babilen> *sigh*
• 3937[21:54:34] <maxcell_> babilen, i install the non-free-firmware version of Debian, how can i install those firmewares in the new backports kernel?
• 3938[21:54:39] <hamsheet> so to get stable btrfs i have to move to unstable, contradiction
• 3939[21:54:44] <babilen> hamsheet: Might make sense to upgrade to newer userspace also
• 3940[21:55:01] <babilen> maxcell_: Do you have backports enabled already?
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• 3943[21:55:27] <maxcell_> babilen, yes, i install the firmware using jessie-backports, the errors went away
• 3944[21:55:37] <babilen> Good :)
• 3945[21:55:41] <maxcell_> babilen, awesome
• 3946[21:55:56] <maxcell_> babilen, now i just have nouveau errors, firmware missing tooW: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/gr/sw_method_init.bin for module nouveau
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• 3948[21:56:15] <babilen> maxcell_: I'd recommend to install amd64-microcode or intel-microcode also (for AMD and Intel CPUs respectively)
• 3949[21:56:25] <maxcell_> babilen, but i want to install the nvidia prop. driver so, i just reboot and install ?
• 3950[21:56:33] <maxcell_> babilen, it says intel-microcode is already installed
• 3951[21:56:42] <babilen> Good
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• 3954[21:56:56] <maxcell_> babilen, i dont understand because im using 3.16 and just installed the new kernel
• 3955[21:57:01] <lethu> Hello, is it normal that have kernel 3.16 with debian jessie?
• 3956[21:57:05] <babilen> maxcell_: Yeah, you can just install the nvidia driver. Note that it is available in backports also.
• 3957[21:57:09] <lethu> that I*
• 3958[21:57:16] <greycat> lethu: yes
• 3959[21:57:20] <maxcell_> babilen, yeah, ok going to reboot
• 3960[21:57:26] <lethu> thanks greycat
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• 3963[21:57:55] <emax> anyone in here good with ntp? I have never had an issue with it. Now I can't get it to work
• 3964[21:58:36] <greycat> emax: any firewall that would prevent you from freely communicating with your NTP servers?
• 3965[21:58:39] <cybiko123> emax: What are you trying to do?
• 3966[21:58:50] <greycat> emax: also, what "doesn't work" exactly?
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• 3968[21:59:28] <emax> greycat. when I run ntpq -r, it is giving me a "connection refused" error
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• 3971[22:00:00] <babilen> emax: That sounds like a firewall issue
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• 3973[22:00:10] <`Kevin> -r?
• 3974[22:00:14] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ ntpq -r
• 3975[22:00:15] <greycat> /usr/bin/ntpq: illegal option -- r
• 3976[22:00:15] <babilen> (or the service you are contacting isn't running)
• 3977[22:00:25] <cybiko123> Did you mean -p?
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• 3979[22:00:52] <cybiko123> You'll get a connection refused error if your NTP server isn't running
• 3980[22:01:28] <cybiko123> Having a connectivity issue with a given peer would look different
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• 3982[22:01:47] <emax> it says that it's running. i get his from syslog "restrict: error in address '::' on li.."
• 3983[22:01:49] <greycat> At this point I don't even know *which NTP software* he is trying to use.
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• 3985[22:02:10] <cybiko123> Does it show up in ps?
• 3986[22:02:11] <emax> and "restrict: error in address '::1' on line 76. Ignoring"
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• 3988[22:02:18] <cybiko123> Or top?
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• 3992[22:02:37] <emax> it shows up in ps
• 3993[22:02:37] <greycat> Sounds like you have a standard ntp.conf file but the wrong ntpd reading it.
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• 3995[22:02:55] <greycat> Or you've compiled IPv6 out of everything or... god knows what.
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• 3998[22:03:08] <greycat> (Would turning off IPv6 with some crazy sysctl command do this?)
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• 4000[22:03:23] <emax> let me adjust the IPv6
• 4001[22:03:32] <greycat> What does "adjust the IPv6" mean?
• 4002[22:03:58] <r3> or there is an error in your ntp.conf file regarding the "restrict ... " lines
• 4003[22:04:26] <greycat> Possibly but unlikely.
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• 4005[22:04:33] <emax> greycat. I tried only using v4
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• 4009[22:04:52] <greycat> emax: Meaning "I used a sysctl command to disable IPv6 at the kernel level"? Or what?
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• 4011[22:05:05] <r3> I've seen folks get the mask wrong, etc...
• 4012[22:05:08] <emax> no, through /etc/default/ntp
• 4013[22:05:19] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ cat /etc/default/ntp
• 4014[22:05:19] <greycat> NTPD_OPTS='-g'
• 4015[22:05:22] <greycat> What did you PUT IN THE FILE?
• 4016[22:05:43] <emax> NTPD_OPTS='-4 -g'
• 4017[22:05:50] <greycat> If you found some crazy ntpd option to disable IPv6 support but you left "restrict ::1" in the ntp.conf file, well....
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• 4019[22:06:11] <r3> aye, greycat, that's sort of what I was thinking?
• 4020[22:06:21] <emax> well....
• 4021[22:06:25] <emax> you both were right
• 4022[22:06:29] <emax> so there
• 4023[22:06:30] <greycat> Try not putting IPv6 addresses in the ntp.conf file if you disabled IPv6 with the -4 option.
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• 4026[22:06:58] <Dagger> also, try not disabling v6 with the -4 option
• 4027[22:07:04] <greycat> *nod*
• 4028[22:07:17] <emax> yep. you guys are right... as usual
• 4029[22:07:36] <emax> fixed it
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• 4040[22:11:36] <dhalgren> hi! so I'm looking for materials on reasonably managing keys, making good passphrases and the like. not so much about individual tools but how it comes together rationally.
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• 4044[22:12:47] <MickyW> Hope Im allowed to repeat: Could somebody explain my in short, what the very basic sense of the message "insecure source" of aptitude is, please? I would be thankfull for an appropriate link as well.
• 4045[22:14:18] <dhalgren> for example, some usb with some keyvault with a long passphrase ala xkcd advice holding all the keys to everything, or perhaps generating various separate passphrases for separate crucial uses, like your computer's root, your main identity , and using the keyvault only for some of the stuff (online passwords maybe?) . such ideas. Could anyone recommend some reading about managing one's key
• 4046[22:14:24] <dhalgren> "infrastructure" of this kind? or even personal examples/advice?
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• 4050[22:16:40] <`Kevin> MickyW: sudo apt-key list
• 4051[22:16:46] <`Kevin> im assuming you are referring to this
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• 4059[22:18:04] <`Kevin> MickyW: if so you can read this replaced-url
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• 4069[22:21:35] <MickyW> `Kevin: Thank you. Will read.
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• 4074[22:23:17] <emax> one last question for the day. Does it log when a remote system queries the time server? I can see where the NTP server queries, but not clients
• 4075[22:23:18] <r3> dhalgren: I know that I have implemented TrueCrypt on a dedicated USB flash drive. In order to access the volume, a passphrase must be entered, then I have files containing credentials
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• 4078[22:25:46] <r3> emax: You can log the requests with iptables: '/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 123 -j LOG'
• 4079[22:26:08] <emax> that's brilliant, thanks
• 4080[22:26:11] <r3> so, no, as far as I know, the ntpd will not log client requests
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• 4084[22:26:37] <r3> (as there can be tens of thousands)
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• 4091[22:28:25] <dhalgren> r3: thx! and does this usb contain all your keys? or maybe is there some separate keys that aren't there? say the roots of your machines or maybe some non-spambox mail identity you use -- or is all that just needless complication with no actual security gain? I'm just thinking, I'm capable of remembering a few passphrases, so maybe some important stuff needn't be in an automated vault...
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• 4094[22:28:51] <dhalgren> r3: oh and do you have some separate (paper?) revocations?
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• 4097[22:30:20] <r3> all my passwords are stored in there. No paper. There is enough room on even a 515KB USB drive to store thousands of text files in this manor. Now I know that there are password managers, etc, for use out there that automate a lot
• 4098[22:30:27] <TTT> um, where has the fglrx-driver gone from SID? It's no longer available?
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• 4101[22:31:05] <greycat> !tell ttt about debian-next
• 4102[22:31:12] <MickyW> `Kevin: apt-key list said nothing particular. All keys are valid to a date in the future. - I assume I have at least two problems, which I shall state in short, I think.
• 4103[22:31:26] <TTT> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
• 4104[22:31:37] <missmbob> TTT: please read it again
• 4105[22:31:37] <TTT> ah sorry
• 4106[22:31:39] <greycat> Reading comphrehension.
• 4107[22:31:46] <greycat> Almost as hard as typing.
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• 4109[22:32:42] <dhalgren> r3: thx, that pretty much covers it. and do you have a few of those usbs for redundancy, or is it replicated in the cloud in some safe manner?
• 4110[22:33:05] <MickyW> `Kevin: First is, that aptitude says it cannot download from cdrom. It also notes that apt-get update could not be used to add cdroms. But I didn't do that. Once added them by apt-cdrom.
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• 4113[22:34:59] <r3> dhalgren: I swap out hardware yearly
• 4114[22:35:08] <r3> and I've a backup in a fire safe
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• 4118[22:35:40] <MickyW> `Kevin: Second is, that the system-tool "software-update" (may be thats not the correct name, as I use a German language scheme) sometime, changed behaviour by not issuing a message, that updates are available until I first use aptitude with command u (update).
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• 4120[22:36:00] <dhalgren> r3: thank you very much!
• 4121[22:36:02] <r3> fyi: it also is a large enough drive so that I have scanned in vital documents and those are also saved on there
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• 4125[22:36:33] <MickyW> `Kevin: Yesterday it occured that the software-update tool wanted to install something, requesting root password, but also mentioning that the source may not be trusted.
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• 4127[22:36:58] <MickyW> `Kevin: Shall also add the info, that I am using Wheezy.
• 4128[22:37:07] <r3> I know that truecrypt has been now downsupported - or what the word it - so that it is not updated any more or suggested - I thought that it also has an "under duress" passphase that destroys the volume
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• 4131[22:37:57] <r3> I'm sure that there exists more high-tech and more integrated solutions, but this has worked for myself and a small staff for several years
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• 4144[22:39:54] <dhalgren> r3: that's a neat feature! y, its unsupported now, but I gather there's a couple of forks of it that are supported. anyhow, there's options for disk encryption, that shouldn't be too hard to replace.
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• 4146[22:40:14] <MickyW> `Kevin: Maybe that two issues are not strongly related. But dont know.
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• 4154[22:42:43] <dhalgren> r3: oh, and how do you generate the passwords? just some autogeneration, or you have some system?
• 4155[22:43:11] <domovoy> hi, i have troubles with libvirt+kvm+qemu+9p. Seems i can't get passthrough mode to work, except for root. What i tried, and the results: replaced-url
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• 4165[22:45:01] <MickyW> `Kevin: So as I think, my problem is, that I don't know how and why the keys became insecure.
• 4166[22:46:09] <r3> dhalgren: I use a proprietary method of making passphrases - use whatever works for you and your organization
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• 4170[22:47:59] <dhalgren> sure!
• 4171[22:48:37] <olivier> Hello ! I would like to know if a appimage is a non free or a contrib app. I would like to make my debian totally free of non free and contrib
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• 4176[22:49:42] <olivier> Thank you in advance for your answer !
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• 4185[22:51:59] <dhalgren> olivier: afaik AppImage itself is MIT licensed, so perfectly kosher. But of course it depends what's in the particular image.
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• 4188[22:53:19] <olivier> dhalgren : So, if I understand, a appimage is not a non free or a contrib ?
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• 4190[22:53:34] <MickyW> /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list and contains entries for 3 cdroms.
• 4191[22:53:45] <MickyW> /var/lib/apt/cdroms.list exists and contains entries for 3 cdroms.
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• 4194[22:54:28] <augustomorais> Hi. My accents is not working on qt applications. Some clue to fix it ?
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• 4197[22:55:15] <dhalgren> olivier: the program for making the apimages isn't. I'm sure someone could (prob someone does) packs nonfree things into appimages. Which particular appimage do you want to install?
• 4198[22:56:41] <dhalgren> we're talking about the program for making portable linux packages of applications, right?
• 4199[22:56:58] <olivier> dhalgren : yes
• 4200[22:57:01] <olivier> Molotov-0.9.5.AppImage
• 4201[22:57:07] <olivier> that is the name of the file
• 4202[22:57:19] <missmbob> which we already talked about yesterday
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• 4209[22:58:04] <olivier> missmbob : I install it but I have a question about appimage
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• 4211[22:58:28] <olivier> missmbob : I would like to make my debian totally free of non free and contrib
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• 4216[22:59:44] <olivier> and for the appimage, I'm not sure
• 4217[22:59:55] <missmbob> olivier: MIT license is DFSG compatible. so you're good
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• 4220[23:00:53] <olivier> missmbob : Okay thank you ! But what is DFSG ? can you explain to me please ?
• 4221[23:01:00] <missmbob> !dfsg
• 4222[23:01:00] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
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• 4224[23:01:29] <olivier> okay and all the appimages is DFSG ?
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• 4226[23:01:42] <missmbob> no
• 4227[23:02:15] <missmbob> the container that makes the magic happen is.
• 4228[23:02:21] <olivier> okay and how can I know if my appimage is DFSG ?
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• 4230[23:02:23] <missmbob> what people put in it...that's a different story
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• 4233[23:03:15] <olivier> okay, so for my appimage, It'S better to ask my question to the developer ?
• 4234[23:03:26] <missmbob> olivier: exactly
• 4235[23:03:57] <olivier> okay thank you for your help !
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• 4239[23:04:54] <MickyW> Maybe I'm just posing the wrong question. But I dont know where to start.
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• 4242[23:05:26] <MickyW> Why may aptitude stop to know the cdroms?
• 4243[23:05:35] <MickyW> How may that diagnosed?
• 4244[23:05:39] <greycat> because you forgot to remove the cdrom lines from sources.list?
• 4245[23:05:52] <missmbob> !de
• 4246[23:05:52] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
• 4247[23:05:56] <missmbob> that might help.
• 4248[23:05:57] <ranix> open up /etc/apt/sources.list and grok it MickyW
• 4249[23:06:07] <MickyW> greycat: As far as I know, they have to be therein.
• 4250[23:06:20] <ranix> they don't have to be, they may be
• 4251[23:06:20] <greycat> Why? Do you actually use them?
• 4252[23:06:21] <MickyW> Why should I remove them?
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• 4256[23:06:45] <missmbob> to prevent this problem of needing them for one
• 4257[23:07:13] <greycat> I can't speak for you, but *I* personally do not like it when I try to apt-get install something and the computer tells me to insert a CD-ROM. Especially when I am not in the same building as the computer, and don't have that CD-ROM any more.
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• 4261[23:07:39] <greycat> So removing the CD-ROM lines from sources.list is one of the very first things I want to do.
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• 4263[23:07:46] <MickyW> missmbob: Hm. But shouldnt that work either. For me its a benefit to be able to install from cdroms.
• 4264[23:08:02] <ranix> what we need is a remotely operated CD rom storage system / robot that can put it in the drive for you
• 4265[23:08:09] <ranix> does your system still have a cd rom drive
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• 4267[23:08:32] <greycat> Yes. Mine does.
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• 4270[23:08:40] <ranix> ok, this solution is feasible
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• 4273[23:10:18] <ranix> MickyW: you can always comment a line out of sources.list and apt-get update, then later if you want to use a cd uncomment the line and do it again
• 4274[23:10:35] <ranix> MickyW: you will find Debian moves quickly and has security updates that make installing things from CDs less than desirable
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• 4277[23:10:47] <ranix> unless your machine is not connected to the internet
• 4278[23:11:01] <greycat> Also, with smaller packages and a sufficiently advanced Internet connection, installing from the Internet is *faster* than CD-ROM.
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• 4281[23:11:42] <ranix> s/apt-get/aptitude/ or whatever package management utility you prefer
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• 4284[23:12:31] <MickyW> If I start apt-get update on the command line it says: "Ign cdrom ... wheezy Release.gpg", There are some more messages, some for the same cdrom, some for the others.
• 4285[23:12:33] <dhalgren> olivier: I was just looking into it; can't really find license info on molotov; arch puts "license unknown", and not knowing french, can't really navigate their website much, even if the license is mentioned somewhere. You'll have to ask them. Gotta say I'm skeptical; a for-pay cloudservice with a basic free service level, no clear mention of the licensing etc. But who knows
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• 4287[23:13:09] <greycat> MickyW: are you still running wheezy? Haven't upgraded to jessie yet?
• 4288[23:13:15] <MickyW> But why does it cease to function?
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• 4290[23:13:34] <MickyW> greycat: Yes. Still using wheezy.
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• 4292[23:14:47] <th0r> MickyW, reference to the cdrom suggests you still have the original install cd listed as a repo. You can check in synaptic and if it is there just uncheck it
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• 4294[23:15:04] <greycat> Well, it's ignoring the wheezy Release.gpg file because it already had a copy. So that's fine.
• 4295[23:15:08] <th0r> MickyW, either that, or put the cd back in the drive :)
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• 4297[23:15:27] <MickyW> Why?
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• 4299[23:15:28] <greycat> th0r: he seems to WANT to keep the CD-ROM and actually install from it. We don't know why.
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• 4303[23:15:49] <ranix> it's a secret to everybody
• 4304[23:16:00] <MickyW> greycat: My primary is to be able to start update in aptitude without any error messages.
• 4305[23:16:03] <greycat> Dial-up maybe.
• 4306[23:16:21] <ranix> MickyW: your cds are probably hopelessly out of date
• 4307[23:16:25] <ranix> when did you burn them
• 4308[23:16:37] <ranix> do you actually have any CDs
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• 4310[23:16:51] <greycat> There's probably half a dozen wheezy packages on it that never got any updates because they didn't need 'em.
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• 4312[23:17:24] <greycat> Everything else, you'll be pulling from the Internet anyway.
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• 4320[23:19:27] <MickyW> Hm. I first would like know, why? It functions for about two years. Could start aptitude update, without any problems. It never said something like that. - Its not a matter of installing something from cdrom. The message comes right after pressing 'u' in aptitude.
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• 4338[23:21:48] <MickyW> Even in case the packages are old, on the cdrom: There are two possibilities then. I installed one from the cd and later got updates from internet. I installed one from internet and got updates from internet. I think both should not cause such an error. Or if, why?
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• 4356[23:28:28] <dhalgren> MickyW: no, you shouldn't be having errors, whether your system is upgraded or not. and wheezy is supported till 2018 now with debian LTS. though I do expect you'd want to pull security updates and the like from the net if your internet connection can take it.
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• 4359[23:29:57] <MickyW> dhalgren: I hope you understand me: I did updates - even security updates all the time for about two years.
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• 4364[23:32:49] <MickyW> dhalgren: But about half a year ago it began to "degrade" somehow. Didnt updates anymore by that "demon" which pulls updates by cron. It did only when I previously did "update" in aptitude without installing them. Then there was something with key updates.
• 4365[23:32:51] <somiaj> MickyW: could your cd just be going bad? Maybe remove the cdrom sources and only use internet sources? (also realize wheezy-lts only really supports server side software, desktop software (like browsers) are not supported.
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• 4368[23:33:52] <MickyW> The cdrom is not inserted then. Did that never before. Only if I actually wanted to install something. And never had problems until some certain point.
• 4369[23:34:51] <MickyW> I would say that it is not a problem with the cdrom. To me it seems like a problem with aptitutde (apt, dpkg aso.) Something get weird.
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• 4371[23:35:09] <dhalgren> i think there's some miscommunication here. did I get this right, MickyW : you don't see why now after all this time of it working w/o problems, you'd suddenly need to disable the option of installing from the cdrom just so apt updates w/o problems? you don't mind it actually updating from wherever in the net it had done so anyhow, but it can't be right that suddenly, you need to disable the cdrom
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• 4373[23:35:15] <dhalgren> option, even if it doesn't do much usefull anymore.
• 4374[23:35:18] <somiaj> MickyW: been a while since I have used cdrom sources. It doesn't require you to rescan the cdroms each time your run aptitude update? Anyways, maybe the info in /var/ got corrupted over time.
• 4375[23:36:03] <dhalgren> anyhow, just disabling it is the pragmatic "fix", and will serve you well MickyW, but I agree its strange its suddenly required, if it didn't bother you w it before
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• 4377[23:39:03] <MickyW> dhalgren: I think you got it somehow. - From my point of view I may have done something which seems to be in order, but wasn't. Or I ignored some misbehaviour in the meantime, which was of more importance than I realized then.
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• 4379[23:39:32] <MickyW> So, may I "reset" the update system including apt, dpgk aso. without loosing currently installed packages and their update state?
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• 4384[23:40:41] <MickyW> somiaj: I think you got it as well, somehow.
• 4385[23:41:12] <MickyW> It's like I had done something weird, which bothered the update system somehow.
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• 4390[23:43:36] <MickyW> I know remember that some time, it was said that there have to be installed new keys (could try to find the exact package name if necessary). That was another step in the down-spiral. If I remember right, the system then began to maon about wrong key, insecure sources or likewise.
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• 4398[23:46:30] <dhalgren> MickyW: I'd suggest someone other than me answer; I don't know much. That said, I'd just do an apt-get clean, and check if the stuff under /etc/apt/sources and /etc/apt/preferences (and related directories) looks sane
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• 4400[23:47:11] <MickyW> OK. Trying apt-get clean.
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• 4402[23:48:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1613
• 4403[23:48:09] <MickyW> The same. - Removing entries from sources.list.
• 4404[23:48:43] <themill> It'd be good to see real commands and real output in this. (And please never use the word "something" again when asking for help ;)
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• 4408[23:52:16] <MickyW> Could see output of "apt-get update" at replaced-url
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• 4415[23:54:48] <MickyW> No error, having cdrom entries removed from sources.list
• 4416[23:54:59] <MickyW> Adding cdroms again with apt-cdrom add
• 4417[23:56:42] <dhalgren> eh, you prob should give up on the cd's. as ppl have said; they're pretty useless if you do have net, and so its not worth the time discovering why there's a problem w them
• 4418[23:57:21] <somiaj> MickyW: there are also other ways to get a local cache of packages on your network than cdroms that will update with the internet sources.
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• 4422[23:58:29] <MickyW> Problem returned again, after having used apt-cdrom add.
• 4423[23:59:14] <somiaj> sonds like something is wrong with the cdrom/images
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