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0[00:00:21] <n11cky> didn't know about quilt, i'll
look into it.
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2[00:01:05] <somiaj> n11cky: do you want to apply the patch to
your own backport or try to get it into the debian backport. Debian
backports don't have security support, but you can use the BTS
and report a bug with the patch attached and see if the matainer
will apply the patch and upload a new package.
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6[00:02:42] <n11cky> somiaj: ideally I'll rebuild the
package with my patch and make sure it applies cleanly and fixes the
bug, then report. I just want to make sure that I'm submitting
things in the way that is most useful for the maintainer.
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9[00:03:07] <n11cky> and I wasn't sure if that was a
whole debian/ tar, or if that meant just the patch, or whatever.
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12[00:03:55] <somiaj> n11cky: backports are created from the
source in stretch. The debian/ will contain the patches and quilt is
the common tool used to create/manage the debian patches.
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15[00:05:19] <teraflops> n11cky: what somiaj says is the way to
go, that said apt-source + quilt then building the package is not
that hard
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16[00:05:35] <teraflops> quilt is amazing
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17[00:05:47] <somiaj> yea and I think there is a nice guide to
it on the wiki
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19[00:05:56] <somiaj>
replaced-url
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20[00:05:59] <teraflops> yep
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22[00:07:04] <n11cky> somiaj: okay, so is it wrong that I just
checkout the upstream QEMU git, ran `git format-patch -1
<commit>`, and want to stick that in my debian/patches/
folder? Would it be better to do `apt-get -t stretch source qemu`,
generate a patch on that, then email maintainer?
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23[00:07:20] <teraflops> I build my own openssh debian package
with hpn patches that way
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24[00:07:41] <somiaj> n11cky: the upstream may be newer than
what is in stretch. So you'll have to fix any issues of
applying the patch to stretch and following the instructions on that
wiki page will help.
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25[00:07:54] <n11cky> to be clear, stretch is on qemu 1.6.x,
jessie and j-bpo is on 1.5.x,
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27[00:08:10] <n11cky> somiaj: thanks for the link, I'll
look into it.
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29[00:08:23] <somiaj> n11cky: if a new backport is made it will
most likely be made from the currvent version in stretch and not the
version that the current backport is.
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33[00:08:46] <somiaj> n11cky: but backports are up to the
matainer. #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net may have much better
knowledge of this process.
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35[00:09:35] <ghormoon> hm, we tried VGA=normal and nomodeset
(even combined) and it still looks the same
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37[00:09:38] <n11cky> somiaj: i'll move this over to
there, thanks agian.
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41[00:11:54] <ghormoon> looks like this, in graphical mode, it
uses the same area, twice like this too
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48[00:15:34] <teraflops> ghormoon: grab an external monitor
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49[00:16:34] <missmbob> wait a second
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50[00:16:44] <missmbob> what's the screen even saying? how
did you burn the image?
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51[00:16:59] <missmbob> what i'm seeing is no language i
know
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53[00:18:06] <pugfantus> you can read that? haha
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54[00:18:23] <teraflops> holy cow I want your eyes
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55[00:19:07] <pugfantus> enhancing... enhancing... enhancing...
fascinating
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93[00:37:40] <WangDang> What determines when
unattended-upgrades are run? I can't find anything in
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades, or
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades, or in /etc/cron.*
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96[00:39:17] <ghormoon> missmbob: it's in zcech, dunno why
my rommate picks that :)
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97[00:39:33] <ghormoon> but it doesn't matter, it is like
that before selecting language
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99[00:39:50] <ghormoon> were now trying to somehow install it
from what I vaguely remember which setting might o :)
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102[00:42:24] <missmbob> ghormoon: how did you copy the image
though?
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104[00:42:56] <WangDang> man unattended-upgrade says that it
should be run from /etc/cron.daily/apt, but I don't have that
file in cron.daily
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106[00:43:16] <ghormoon> missmbob: just dd to usb stick. works
for me usually
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116[00:46:10] <ghormoon> lol, ended on black screen :))
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120[00:48:02] <ghormoon> and for external monitor, that hnig has
only hdmi and I have only ovga one, so no way :)
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123[00:48:33] <missmbob> ghormoon: you did the usual md5sum or
sha1sum checks? after dd did you sync?
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133[00:57:19] <teraflops> ghormoon: missmbob had a point, tried
making the bootable usb again?
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135[00:57:43] <AvatarA> WangDang, that file should be there as
it belongs to the apt package
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139[01:00:09] <WangDang> AvatarA: Hm, I wonder what happened to
it. Do you know if apt-get install --reinstall apt will put it back
in place?
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141[01:01:55] <missmbob> that's a strange one. apt-file
search says it's in apt. dpkg -L apt disagrees
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143[01:04:54] <WangDang> AvatarA: if I search for
/etc/cron.daily/apt at debian.org/distrib/packages it doesn't
appear to belong to any package. How do you know it belongs to apt?
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144[01:05:57] <AvatarA> dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/apt says so
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145[01:05:57] <dpkg> Dingos ate my /etc/cron.daily/apt says so!
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146[01:06:24] <AvatarA> --reinstall by itself will probably not
work since it's a conffile
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147[01:06:41] <missmbob> !confmiss
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148[01:06:48] <AvatarA> there's a command line switch
though to reinstall/recreate conffiles
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149[01:06:52] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging
system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is
assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall
$packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the
package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about
<ucf confmiss>.
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151[01:07:01] <missmbob> but like i said it's a weird one
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155[01:10:17] <WangDang> if I run dpkg -S /etc/cron.daily/apt on
my system, I get "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern
/etc/cron.daily/apt"
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157[01:11:23] <AvatarA> of course, because it isn't there
in your case
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158[01:11:36] <WangDang> Ah
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159[01:11:42] <AvatarA> anyway, what set you on this path?
unattented-upgrades not working?
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160[01:11:47] <missmbob> i have apt installed and i dont have
it. i didnt remove it
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161[01:11:52] <WangDang> exactly
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162[01:11:59] <AvatarA> try dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
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163[01:12:10] <WangDang> already have
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164[01:12:30] <AvatarA> and a dialog appeared and you have
selected to enable it?
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165[01:12:43] <WangDang> yup
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166[01:12:46] <missmbob> yes. still no /etc/cron.daily/apt
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168[01:13:49] <WangDang> missmbob, according to the
unattended-upgrade man page, that's the file that runs the
upgrades
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169[01:14:18] <missmbob> WangDang: i'm not disagreeing with
you. it's why i said it was weird in the first place. i dont
know what's going on
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171[01:14:27] <missmbob> never used it myself
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176[01:16:17] <AvatarA> have no idea how it's missing for
you guys, just downloaded the deb package and it's there in
cron.daily
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177[01:18:55] <WangDang> AvatarA: that made things just get
weirder
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181[01:20:07] <WangDang> AvatarA, which deb package did you just
download, apt, apt-get, apt-cron?
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191[01:24:23] <AvatarA>
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194[01:26:17] <missmbob> ar vx foo.deb does show it's
there.
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198[01:27:42] <AvatarA> anyway, reinstall apt, force
reinstalation of apt conf files, and unattended should work
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207[01:33:34] <missmbob> oh that's cute
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208[01:33:55] <missmbob> WangDang: dpkg -l apt is 1.3, right?
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213[01:35:25] <WangDang> yes
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214[01:35:39] <missmbob> WangDang: that version doesnt have the
file.
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217[01:36:24] <WangDang> any idea what that means in terms of
getting unattended upgrades to work?
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218[01:36:50] <missmbob> WangDang: i think it means you dont
unless you copy the file i pasted. like i said, never used it
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221[01:37:50] <WangDang> missmbob, AvatarA, thanks for your
help!
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233[01:46:27] <missmbob> dpkg etcher is initial testing shows
etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation.
instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows.
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234[01:46:28] <dpkg> missmbob: okay
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240[01:49:01] <ghormoon> well, we managed to install it at last,
the flash was ok
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241[01:49:14] <ghormoon> just the driver detects it somehow bad
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242[01:49:42] <ghormoon> now during early boot, it flashes that
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243[01:49:56] <ghormoon> so it is really some broken vga mode
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I'll ask him tomorow to dump me lspci and dmesg
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250[01:51:43] <missmbob> ghormoon: also consider using 4.7
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253[01:53:21] <ghormoon> yeah, that reminds me that I should try
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255[01:53:47] <ghormoon> it segfaults xorg if I turn it on :)
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257[01:55:57] <missmbob> ghormoon: some other things depending
on the hardware. also insteall firmware-linux-nonfree and
xserver-xorg-video-intel (also from backports)
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258[01:56:37] <ghormoon> nonfree firmware is there (I had to
switch to netinstall with firmware integrated, because he has only
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259[01:56:58] <ghormoon> but original netinstall looked the same
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260[01:57:13] <ghormoon> so unofficial iso was not the reason
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273[02:04:39] <Ooze> What do you guys keep in your home
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275[02:05:52] <AvatarA> whatever needs to be kept even if I
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276[02:06:26] <acsid> a text file with the letter d in it
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278[02:07:00] <robertm___> why the d?
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279[02:07:14] <acsid> it takes less space then a y
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281[02:07:41] <acsid> because y you need to explain something
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282[02:07:58] <robertm___> ?
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285[02:09:42] <robertm___> How do I contribute to debian
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290[02:16:39] <missmbob> robertm___:
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291[02:17:30] <teraflops> Ooze: dotfiles
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293[02:18:01] <missmbob> that's basically all i have, too.
everything else is online or external in some way.
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294[02:19:22] <robertm___> I looked at this briefly before. I am
a computer science student looking for experience programming
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295[02:19:54] <missmbob> robertm___: so join a small open source
project, like deluge (yeah, i'm biased, but still)
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298[02:20:59] <robertm___> Ok thanks
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303[02:23:04] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I need a mono compiler that
supports c#6. The mcs man page shows it supports up to version 4.
There doesn't seem to be a newer version in the jessie
backports
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304[02:23:11] <monoxane> wat
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305[02:23:12] <monoxane> oh
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306[02:23:15] <monoxane> >mono
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307[02:23:30] * monoxane goes away again
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308[02:23:38] <foul_owl> However, the mono website says versions
including 6 are supported
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309[02:24:44] <foul_owl> What's the "correct" way
to proceed? Follow these instructions?
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310[02:24:46] <foul_owl> Thanks!
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329[02:32:14] <olivier> Hello, I would like to know how can I
install a appimage
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330[02:33:02] <missmbob> olivier: you dont
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331[02:33:21] <missmbob> olivier: you simply chmod +x to make it
executable and then run it. ./foo.appimage
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333[02:34:05] <missmbob> olivier: it's what windows folk
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336[02:36:11] <missmbob> olivier: out of curiousity what app are
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338[02:36:51] <olivier> missmbob : oh, this is a french app. His
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340[02:38:16] <olivier> missmbob : When I enter the command, the
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341[02:38:37] <missmbob> olivier: pastebin what happens when you
do chmod +x foo.appimage and then try to run it
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343[02:39:39] <olivier> foo = the name of the app ?
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344[02:39:51] <missmbob> yes
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348[02:40:46] <olivier> I have this :
root@debian:/home/olivier/Téléchargements# chmod +x
Molotov-0.9.5.AppImage
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349[02:40:47] <olivier>
root@debian:/home/olivier/Téléchargements#
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350[02:40:58] <missmbob> you've already messed up
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351[02:41:03] <missmbob> no reason to do this as root
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352[02:41:06] <missmbob> do it as olivier
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354[02:41:35] <olivier> Sorry but the terminal was in root
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355[02:41:49] <missmbob> probably why it didnt work. $DISPLAY
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356[02:41:58] <missmbob> so start a fresh terminal
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360[02:43:05] <olivier> I started a fresh terminal
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361[02:43:48] <olivier> missmbob : okay and after ?
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365[02:44:18] <missmbob> ./foo.appimage and pastebin command
with results
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366[02:44:30] <missmbob> actually pastebin it. not in here
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368[02:44:49] <olivier> okay and I set the terminal with cd/name
of the folder/folder/folder ?
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369[02:45:01] <missmbob> sure
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370[02:45:07] <olivier> okay !
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371[02:45:40] <missmbob> phone call. bbiaf (but others will
probably step in)
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375[02:48:37] <olivier> missmbob : I have a problem
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452[03:14:35] <fguide> is there any best practice I could follow
to stop having my ram cached so much? or perhaps some scheduled
thing I might create to have it free'd hourly?
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460[03:16:19] <at0m> fguide: linuxatemyram.com
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474[03:19:06] <Mead> Trying to do an internet install, and to
get my wifi adapter to work, the install programs says I'm
missing a firmware file, rt2870.bin. Can anyone help me find it?
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475[03:19:12] <grantwu> How advisable is it to have /home on
NTFS?
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477[03:19:35] <grantwu> For easy access from Windows
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482[03:20:57] <awal1> Mead, probably you need
"firmware-ralink"
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484[03:22:18] <awal1> probably not, but sure ^
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485[03:22:18] <Mead> I found that file, I put it on a usb stick
and plugged it into a usb port on the system I am installing debian
on, it doesn't find it
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488[03:23:47] <awal1> Mead, easiest way is: use netinstal cd
image, the one that includes non-free stuff
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489[03:24:15] <missmbob> !firmware iso
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490[03:24:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
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491[03:24:18] <missmbob> use that
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493[03:24:31] <awal1> netinst ^:P
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496[03:24:41] <missmbob> that is netinst :P just with firmware
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497[03:27:03] <Mead> ok I'll try that
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509[03:34:59] <Elronnd> I am freaking out right now
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510[03:35:06] <Elronnd> I had debian and windows installed as
dualboots
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511[03:35:21] <Elronnd> debian froze up, so I hard restarted
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512[03:35:26] <Elronnd> now I can only boot windows
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513[03:35:27] * Hello71 yawns
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517[03:36:00] <Elronnd> is there anything I can do?
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518[03:36:00] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: what happens when you try to
boot debian? any error messages or does it just go to Windows?
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519[03:36:02] <Hello71> one, there are punctuation marks other
than the enter key on the keyboard.
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521[03:36:12] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: no I literally can't
boot it
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522[03:36:18] <Elronnd> like it doesn't show up in the BIOS
boot menu
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523[03:36:22] <Hello71> two, now that you have all that vertical
space, maybe provide some useful details
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525[03:36:39] <Hello71> for example, how did you install
"dualboots" (whatever that means)
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527[03:36:46] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: you should try live booting
into a linux distro and checking the partations
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528[03:37:09] <Hello71> furthermore, DON'T SAY BIOS WHEN
YOU MEAN UEFI
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529[03:37:09] <Elronnd> Hello71: I installed windows, donwsized
the main partition, and installed li nux to that partition
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532[03:37:24] <Hello71> THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
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533[03:37:33] <Elronnd> I could then select the windows boot
part from grub, or from the bios
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535[03:38:04] <Hello71> stop saying bios if you aren't
using bios
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537[03:38:08] <Hello71> bios does not mean boot firmware
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538[03:38:36] <Hello71> it is a specific implementation of boot
firmware, now generalized to mean other API-compatible
implementations
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539[03:39:19] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: you can only select the boot
order of disks from bios, thats not the same as grub
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541[03:39:39] * Elronnd sighs
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542[03:39:43] <Elronnd> forget I said anything about grub
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543[03:40:13] <Elronnd> from the boot firmware, or bios, or
whatever it's called, I can select windows' boot
partition, but now debian's
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544[03:40:27] <Elronnd> *not
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546[03:41:59] <fguide> Elronnd: boot with a live cd and repair
grub
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548[03:42:11] <fguide> that might solve it all
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549[03:42:13] <Elronnd> fguide: how do I repair grub?
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550[03:42:21] <missmbob> !fixmbr
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551[03:42:21] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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552[03:42:38] <missmbob> but honestly i wasnt paying attention
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553[03:43:13] <Elronnd> alright
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554[03:43:19] <Elronnd> be back in maybe 20 minutes
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557[03:43:29] <fguide> good luck
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559[03:43:59] <Elronnd> thanks
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560[03:44:02] <Elronnd> I'll need it
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572[03:49:32] <iamawesome> Hi is wxwidget.deb available on
debian?
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581[03:54:30] <Elronnd> hey, it's me with the boot issues
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585[03:55:37] <Elronnd> I tried the grub reinstall thing
suggested by the bot, but I couldn't mount the partition
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586[03:55:41] <Elronnd> it failed with "no such
device"
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590[03:56:54] <at0m> ,v wx-common
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591[03:56:55] <judd> Package: wx-common on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.8.12.1-12; jessie: 3.0.2-1+b1; sid: 3.0.2+dfsg-2; stretch:
3.0.2+dfsg-2
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592[03:57:02] <at0m> iamawesome: ^
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593[03:57:05] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: so fdisk showed nothing?
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594[03:57:38] <DopeMeston> no sure how an os can just disappear
like that
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600[04:00:19] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: what's fdisk do?
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603[04:01:04] <DopeMeston> Elronnd: it shows you your disk
partition table. i thought you where trying to mount the partition
on which debian is on
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604[04:01:10] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: I know, it's weird.
Maybe I somehow got hit with a virus?
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606[04:01:23] <Elronnd> alright, I'll see what that says
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607[04:01:47] <DopeMeston> malware is unlikely, how could
someone profit from deleting everything
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617[04:05:59] <Elronnd> apparently fdisk isn't present
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619[04:06:19] <DopeMeston> what distro did you live boot into?
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620[04:06:25] <Elronnd> (btw I'm connecting from my phone
so I can try things in realtime)
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621[04:06:49] <Elronnd> DopeMeston: debian
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622[04:07:03] <fguide> Elronnd: tried sudo fdisk ?
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623[04:07:08] <DopeMeston> fdisk should be there, maybe you do
not have the privs
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626[04:08:01] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: if Debian is installed using
UEFI, then to restore grub you must use a Debian installer image (or
something else that boots UEFI). Debian Live images do not support
UEFI booting, and therefore cannot repair grub-efi
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627[04:08:17] <Elronnd> sudo: not found
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628[04:08:17] <Elronnd> :P
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633[04:09:08] <Elronnd> you sure?
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634[04:09:08] <Elronnd> because I'm pretty sure I just
booted using uefi
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635[04:09:22] <Elronnd> oh, I am using an installer image
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637[04:10:52] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: installer images have a
rescue mode boot option. rescue mode has a menu driven repair grub
feature that you could try first
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638[04:11:06] <tx> You know what's sucky?
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639[04:11:20] <tx> Bay Trail chipsets. They are 64-bit (64-bit
Atom CPUS)
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640[04:11:23] <tx> but have 32-bit UEFI!
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641[04:12:22] <Elronnd> jmcnaught: good idea. trying that
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644[04:14:55] <Elronnd> ermmm
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647[04:15:32] <Elronnd> I forget which partition I set to boot
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648[04:16:07] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: how many partitions are
there? Can you work it out by size?
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649[04:16:41] <Elronnd> the rescue thing isn't showing me
the sizes
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652[04:16:58] <tx> fdisk -l
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653[04:17:02] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: you can access another tty
with alt+f2
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655[04:17:11] <Elronnd> there are 6, so I imagine the first few
are for Windows.
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656[04:17:28] <jmcnaught> best not to guess
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657[04:17:33] <Elronnd> and the next one for booting debian
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658[04:18:01] <tx> if this is an EFI system there will be a
single EFI boot partition
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659[04:18:16] <tx> I don't recall if the rescue image comes
with fdisk
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660[04:18:20] <Elronnd> yeah I'm pretty sure it's no 2
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661[04:18:24] <tx> but you can find the partition type / format
with it
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663[04:18:34] <Elronnd> it says "EFI system"
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664[04:18:38] <tx> ah :)
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665[04:18:40] <tx> yeah that'l be it
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667[04:18:46] <Elronnd> tx: fdisk is here here
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668[04:19:01] <tx> Are you booted in UEFI/EFI mode?
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669[04:19:08] <tx> You can't reinstall the boot loader
without being in it.
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672[04:19:52] <Elronnd> I selected (what I think is) the boot
partition
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675[04:20:23] <Elronnd> but none of the "rescue
operations" are "install grub"
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681[04:22:32] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: is one of the menu options to
run a shell?
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682[04:22:42] <Elronnd> yes
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684[04:22:59] <Elronnd> so I have to perform the rescue
manually?
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687[04:24:26] <jmcnaught> !fixboot
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688[04:24:27] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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699[04:27:37] <Elronnd> so do I have to create dev, proc, etc.
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705[04:28:42] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: the mount points (which are
just empty directories) should already exist. You need to bind mount
the installer's /dev to the target's /dev
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709[04:30:37] <Elronnd> / /target doesn't contain those
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713[04:31:06] <Elronnd> it only contains EFI and System Volume
Information
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716[04:31:43] <jmcnaught> then you have mounted your ESP
partition, not your root partition
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720[04:32:33] <Elronnd> ESP partition?
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724[04:33:03] <remanos> the partition you use to read minds
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728[04:33:31] <jmcnaught> the EFI System Partition.
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729[04:33:34] <Elronnd> ...
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731[04:34:06] <Elronnd> ah
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732[04:34:13] <Elronnd> what do I mount then?
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734[04:35:20] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: you need to mount your root
file system (probably the largest partition with a linux filesystem
on it). You'll be mounting that to /target. Then you mount your
boot partition (small, linux fs) at /target/boot. Then you bind
mount /dev, /proc, /sys. Then you use the chroot command. Then you
mount /boot/efi inside the chroot.
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738[04:37:11] <Elronnd> here we go
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739[04:37:26] <Elronnd> I selected my root partition, and
there's an option to reinstall grub
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740[04:38:52] <Elronnd> ...which didn't work
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758[04:50:25] <Elronnd> I'm getting an error with
grub-install, it tells me "Could not prepare Boot variable: no
such file or directory."
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761[04:53:48] <Elronnd> any help?
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766[04:57:41] <maybefbi> do i need to republish my public key
after i create a subkey underneath it
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905[06:35:57] <cast> maybefbi: yeah, if you want other people to
be able to use the new subkey you do
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908[06:37:33] <allan_wind> Anyone know if it's possible to
boot a Lenovo P50 with netinst? I am having little luck
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910[06:37:58] <Xing> ThinkPad?
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911[06:38:05] <allan_wind> yeah
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912[06:38:37] <Xing> I used netinst on a T440P
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913[06:38:41] <allan_wind> uefi although no luck with legacy
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914[06:38:53] <allan_wind> yeah, I have a W520 that worked too
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915[06:39:03] <Elronnd> I ended up having to reinstall my OS,
but I used a live cd to back a couple of files to a usb stick
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916[06:39:08] <Elronnd> now I can't mount the usb stick
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917[06:39:18] <Elronnd> and fsck says nothing
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918[06:39:22] <Xing> They must changed something
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920[06:39:52] <allan_wind> I tried both stable and testing,
anything more bleeding edge I should try? I am not sure how to
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921[06:40:25] <Xing> What does the bios say?
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923[06:40:51] <Xing> Is there an legacy option?
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924[06:40:52] <allan_wind> find both my disk and usb drive, just
won't boot from it, disabled secure boot
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925[06:41:02] <allan_wind> tried legacy, no dice
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927[06:41:16] <allan_wind> are there usb sticks that won't
boot?
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928[06:41:43] <Xing> Try another port?
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929[06:41:45] <Elronnd> allan_wind: have you tried another usb
port on your computer?
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930[06:41:50] <allan_wind> yeah
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931[06:42:05] <Elronnd> what software did you use to write the
iso?
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932[06:42:08] <Xing> sometimes the use3.0 ports cannot boot
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934[06:42:10] <allan_wind> cp and dd
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936[06:42:17] <Elronnd> allan_wind: what
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937[06:42:25] <Elronnd> how does cp let you write something to a
disc?
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938[06:42:34] <allan_wind> cp *.so /dev/sdb
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940[06:42:39] <Xing> dd is ok
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941[06:42:40] <allan_wind> per install instructions
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942[06:42:41] <Elronnd> yeah...
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944[06:42:44] <Elronnd> that doesn't work, ime
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945[06:42:49] <Elronnd> dd should work fine though
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946[06:42:56] <Elronnd> *have* you tried another usb disc?
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947[06:43:02] <allan_wind> let me try all the usb ports
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949[06:43:31] <allan_wind> I have tried two diff usb
thumbdrives, will try sata to usb
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952[06:44:29] <Xing> have you tried to make a new bootable usb?
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953[06:44:38] <Xing> disk?
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954[06:44:41] <maybefbi> cast, ok
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955[06:45:13] <allan_wind> tried stable and testing, downloading
ubuntu but prefer sticking with the original :-)
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959[06:47:51] <Xing> I mean whether you use write iso to usd
stick agian?
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960[06:48:10] <Xing> Or find a windows machine and use rufus?
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961[06:48:15] <allan_wind> yeah, 3 diff isos now
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964[06:48:27] <allan_wind> two diff devices
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965[06:48:27] <Elronnd> allan_wind: so your command line looked
like dd if=somedebianfile.iso of=/dev/sdb
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966[06:48:31] <Elronnd> right?
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967[06:48:34] <allan_wind> yep
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968[06:48:48] <Elronnd> sounds like a problem with your system
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970[06:48:55] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: cp *.so /dev/sdb
doesn't sound right
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971[06:49:04] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: the source arg should be
the iso
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972[06:49:06] <allan_wind> that is what in the install doc
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973[06:49:14] <Elronnd> can you try a wipefs -af of the usb
stick (make sure you don't do it to your regular hard disc!)
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974[06:49:16] <pingfloyd> the iso image itself
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975[06:49:17] <allan_wind> oh... typo then, it was *.iso
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976[06:49:44] <Xing> what
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977[06:49:48] <pingfloyd> you sure it only tried to copy one iso
file (you use a glob there).
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978[06:49:53] <pingfloyd> *used
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979[06:49:55] <allan_wind> yeah
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980[06:50:04] <allan_wind> too lazy to type the full filename
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981[06:50:20] <jelly> Elronnd: that shouldn't matter if the
image overwrites the beginning of the whole device
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982[06:50:41] <Elronnd> jelly: sure, but it might be a good idea
to do that just to make sure
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983[06:50:41] <allan_wind> Good point though
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984[06:51:01] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: have you used the target
usb stick for bootable live images in the past?
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985[06:51:21] <Elronnd> pingfloyd: would it be possible for you
to use another computer to test?
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986[06:51:35] <Elronnd> e.g. write the image with the other
computer, but boot on this one, or vice versa
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988[06:51:46] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: not sure
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989[06:51:50] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: sometimes you need to
remove all the filesystems, partitions, and partition table on them,
then create a new partitions table and a single partition spanning
the entire device to get them back to a sane state.
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990[06:52:07] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: dd should do that, no?
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992[06:52:13] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: in theory, but it
doesn't
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993[06:52:17] <Elronnd> it should
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994[06:52:32] <Elronnd> but one time I ended up with a usb disc
that was in a really weird state
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995[06:52:37] <Elronnd> after I burned a weird iso to it
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996[06:52:40] <Elronnd> wipefs fixed it
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997[06:52:47] <Elronnd> dd with a new iso didn't
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998[06:53:01] <allan_wind> hmm... booted my ubuntu iso
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1000[06:54:10] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: try what linux hippie
details here
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1002[06:55:01] <pingfloyd> it doesn't make any sense, but it
has worked for plenty of usb sticks that I've reused for live
usbs
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1004[06:55:19] <pingfloyd> even overwriting with zero through dd
wouldn't do the trick
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1005[06:56:15] <jelly> Elronnd: I guess some of the partition
table formats have metadata at the end of the device, not just the
beginning
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1006[06:56:32] <jelly> (gpt?)
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1008[06:56:50] <pingfloyd> yeah, it might be when it had a gpt
partition table on it
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1009[06:56:59] <allan_wind> I dd'ed the ubuntu iso and it
booted, wipefs my other stick and trying the stable iso again. So...
what's the latest debian installer?
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1010[06:57:23] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: whether you use dd or cp
to get the image to the usb stick doesn't matter
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1011[06:57:43] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: you could even cat
image.iso > /dev/sdX and it would be the same
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1013[06:58:15] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: yeah, must be hardware
support in the iso. There is zero debug info when trying to boot off
my debian iso unfortunately
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1014[06:58:40] <pingfloyd> allan_wind: also always be sure to
check the integrity of the image you downloaded first
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1015[06:59:40] <allan_wind> just tried again with the debian iso,
and doesn't boot
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1017[06:59:51] <allan_wind> so.. thinking I should try unstable,
no?
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1018[06:59:56] <pingfloyd> no
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1019[07:00:10] <pingfloyd> you should always use the stable
installer with debian regardless of which branch you're going
to run
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1020[07:00:29] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: doesn't work though
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1021[07:00:37] <pingfloyd> if you were say wanting to run
testing, you'd still use the stable installer
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1022[07:01:16] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: I run stable on the
machine I upgrade from with a few backport items, and of course
security updates
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1028[07:03:39] <allan_wind> so anyone have any ideas on how I get
a later debian installer than stable and testing?
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1029[07:04:09] <pingfloyd> allan_wind:
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1032[07:05:46] <allan_wind> pingfloyd: ugh, no unstable
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1033[07:06:41] <maybefbi> cast, i imported my secret-subkey into
an empty gpg, and it still lists all the other subkeys and the
primary keys
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1035[07:08:11] <allan_wind> is the hd-media (
boot-amd64-0315.img.gz) an installer?
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1041[07:12:29] <cast> maybefbi: consider the possibilities, you
either imported all the other subkeys and primary keys, or
you're not listing the now not so 'empty gpg' keyring
you thought you were
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1042[07:14:03] <maybefbi> cast, both gpg --list-keys adn gpg
--list-secret-keys was empty
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1043[07:14:29] <maybefbi> i had gpg
--delete-secret-and-public-keys email@emai.com
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1044[07:14:51] <maybefbi> and then i gpg --import
private-subkey.key
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1046[07:15:28] <maybefbi> and then when --list-secret-keys again,
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1048[07:15:49] <maybefbi> it shows all key IDs. not just the
subkey ID
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1050[07:16:31] <maybefbi> i generated private-subkey.key using
gpg --export-secret-subkeys --armor edwinhere@gmail.com >
private-subkey.key
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1054[07:18:39] <cast> question: is the primary key actually
usable?
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1056[07:19:08] <maybefbi> yeah the primary key is usable after
creation of the subkeys
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1058[07:19:38] <maybefbi> subkeys are usable too
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1059[07:19:54] <cast> i was more refering to the comment in the
manpage for --exoirt-secret-subkeys
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1061[07:20:20] <maybefbi> what does it say?
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1062[07:20:31] <maybefbi> they export all secret keys?
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1063[07:20:35] <maybefbi> including primary
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1064[07:20:46] <maybefbi> ?
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1065[07:21:32] <cast> i'm going to go to work now, as to
what the man page for gpg says, i believe you can answer that
yourself :). while we're on the topic, there is a gnupg channel
on freenode too
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1069[07:24:07] <allan_wind> k, got something interesting...
ubuntu iso has an apple and efi partition, while the debian
installer is a single fat16 fs
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1070[07:24:12] <f-a> I am configuring to toggle layouts. This
works: setxkbmap -layout "us,ru" -variant
"alt-intl," -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
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1071[07:24:34] <f-a> but setxkbmap -layout "us,ru"
-variant "alt-intl," -option "grp:ctrls_toggle"
does not (i.e. ctrls instread of alt_shift)
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1072[07:24:41] <allan_wind> isn't the installer uefi
compatible
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1073[07:24:43] <allan_wind> ?
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1075[07:24:48] <f-a> it's not mission critical, but how can
I diagnose why it does not work?
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1076[07:25:45] <allan_wind> f-a: you can use xmodmap to remap
keys. There is a readme, if you haven't seen it in
/usr/share/X11/xkb or something like that that with the valid
options
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1078[07:28:12] <f-a> allan_wind: thanks. also
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1080[07:30:07] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: Debian installer images
support UEFI. what is the filename of the image you're using?
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1081[07:30:41] <allan_wind> debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
debian-stretch-DI-alpha7-amd64-netinst.iso
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1084[07:31:21] <allan_wind> the iso, however, is not uefi which I
think is what this box needs to boot
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1085[07:32:11] <jmcnaught> those ISO images both support UEFI.
You're not getting any error message at all?
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1086[07:32:40] <allan_wind> no, it just fails to boot, and goes
back to bios select device to boot
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1090[07:33:37] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: does it work on different
computer?
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1093[07:34:03] <allan_wind> ah... ha
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1094[07:34:19] <allan_wind> I grabbed the
debian-8.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and that boots
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1096[07:34:48] <allan_wind> oh... never mind, still the ubuntu
iso
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1097[07:34:56] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: do you happen to know if
this computer uses NVMe?
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1098[07:35:15] <allan_wind> it has but using plain old usb stick
and a sata ssd
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1099[07:35:31] <allan_wind> has support for it, none installed
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1101[07:36:40] <jmcnaught> okay because from what i understand
jessie requires additional steps during th installer to add a kernel
from backports on some nvme systems
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1103[07:37:38] <allan_wind> have a ptr to those steps by any
chance?
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1110[07:40:24] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: did you disable secure
boot?
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1111[07:40:45] <allan_wind> yeah, 100 times or so, it seems to
reset to last known config when it fails to boot
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1116[07:41:58] <Elronnd> I'm trying to install virtualbox,
but it fails to handle the kernel module correctly
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1118[07:42:02] <Elronnd>
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1119[07:42:20] <Elronnd> I *Do* have linux-headers-amd64
installed
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1120[07:42:36] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: if ubuntu boots but debian
doesn't, i suspect secure boot. why is it reverting to secure
boot being enabled?
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1122[07:43:00] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: bios trying to helpful, I
think
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1124[07:44:17] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: i've only seen people
get guided through the process here on IRC, but it's not very
difficult. There's a blog entry about it:
replaced-url
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1127[07:44:59] <allan_wind> cool thx
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1128[07:45:09] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: once you get Debian
installed you should consider making a page for your model on
replaced-url
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1129[07:46:15] <allan_wind> yeah
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1133[07:47:05] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: come versions of these to
packages with the command "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
linux-headers-amd64"
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1134[07:47:10] <allan_wind> hmm... ok, something weird, I have
this 32gb usb stick, and after I dd'ed the debian iso to it, I
don't seem to be able to overwrite it again
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1136[07:47:53] <allan_wind> dd fails with insufficient diskspace;
wipefs -af /dev/sdb seems to clear the partition alright but dd
still fails
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1137[07:47:58] <Elronnd> jmcnaught: what are the implications on
that for me, as a user?
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1139[07:48:01] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: what is the disk label
type?
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1141[07:48:17] <Elronnd> s/on/of/g
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1142[07:48:29] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: run it as a regular user,
it's a query info command that doesn't make changes
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1143[07:48:35] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: "man apt-cache"
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1145[07:49:46] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: after wipfefs none
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1146[07:49:58] <allan_wind> says Disk /dev/sdb: 10.5MB
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1147[07:50:02] <allan_wind> (parted)
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1148[07:50:08] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: sorry i meant to say compare
not come. If the versions don't match, your virtualbox-dkms
package makes a module for the wrong kernel
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1149[07:50:40] <jmcnaught> allan_wind: i don't know what
wipfefs is
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1150[07:50:52] <Elronnd> jmcnaught: oh, I see
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1151[07:51:02] <allan_wind> [13754.649755] sd 21:0:0:0: [sdb]
62562239 512-byte logical blocks: (32.0 GB/29.8 GiB)
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1152[07:51:06] <Elronnd> yeah, the installed and candidate
version for linux-image-amd64 didn't match
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1154[07:51:17] <Elronnd> so I'm doing a dist-upgrade now
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1155[07:51:19] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: someone suggested I use
that, I guess, to wipe the partition table
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1156[07:51:26] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: no, compare the installed
versions of the two packages
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1157[07:52:02] <Elronnd> yeah, the headers were 4.7
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1161[07:52:35] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: and the image?
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1163[07:52:47] <Elronnd> the image was installed 4.6, candidate
4.7
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1164[07:52:53] <Elronnd> idate 4.7
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1165[07:53:01] <Elronnd> as I said I'm running a
dist-upgrade
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1170[07:54:33] <jmcnaught> Elronnd: on stable most of the time
you just do upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
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1171[07:54:54] <Elronnd> I'm on stretch
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1172[07:55:12] <jmcnaught> oh
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1173[07:55:29] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Elronnd about debian-next
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1176[07:55:54] <Elronnd> !debian-next
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1177[07:55:54] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1178[07:55:59] <Elronnd> ^^^
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1179[07:56:09] <Elronnd> oh, it sends a pm
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1180[07:56:19] <jmcnaught> yeah
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1191[08:02:25] <doublehp> after exim restart, how much time
before all process use the new config ? seems like when restart
command returns, there are still process running using the old conf.
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1192[08:03:27] <jmcnaught> doublehp: how are you restarting exim?
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1194[08:04:03] <doublehp> jmcnaught: /etc/init.d/exim4 restart
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1195[08:04:44] <jmcnaught> doublehp: you should be using
systemctl or service instead of calling the init script directly
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1197[08:05:08] <doublehp> jmcnaught: let's try it
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1199[08:05:44] <jmcnaught> at least on systemd, where it might be
using units instead of the initscript, and where systemd will make
sure processes belonging to that service are restarted
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1204[08:07:26] <SwedeMike> jmcnaught: last I did one of those
restarts using the old init scripts, they had been migrated to use
systemctl so it ended up being the same thing.
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1205[08:07:31] <doublehp> jmcnaught: systemd was unable to stop
old process, maybe because they belong to an old cession; rebooting.
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1208[08:09:09] <jmcnaught> SwedeMike: on jessie service calls
systemctl, but i would be surprised to see a script in /etc/init.d
calling systemctl
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1212[08:11:02] <Exileur> Hi guys
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1214[08:11:32] <doublehp> what is the debian way to set
<<hosts_require_tls = * >> ?
<<REMOTE_SMTP_SMARTHOST_HOSTS_REQUIRE_TLS='*'>>
does not do it.
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1217[08:14:00] <jmcnaught> doublehp: I use Postfix, but the
Debian way of configuring exim4 is covered in
/usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz
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1220[08:15:15] <SwedeMike> jmcnaught: # /etc/init.d/ntp restart
"Restarting ntp (via systemctl): ntp.service."
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1222[08:15:32] <doublehp> jmcnaught: that file does not contain
the word hosts_require_tls (tried mins and caps).
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1223[08:15:52] <SwedeMike> jmcnaught: so the init files have been
migrated on jessie to use systemd
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1231[08:18:50] <jmcnaught> SwedeMike: cool. i wonder how that
works
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1237[08:22:13] <jmcnaught> SwedeMike: it's
/lib/lsb/init-functions.d/40-systemd that gets included into init
scripts, the scripts themselves don't mention systemctl
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$(readlink -f "$0") stuff in that script
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1256[08:38:31] <Logg> Anyone have a preferred audio editing
software recommendation?
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1258[08:38:41] <Logg> better than audacity?
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1278[08:47:13] <shortCircuit__> hi
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1279[08:47:42] <Logg> allan_wind: I'll try it thanks.
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1281[08:49:48] <shortCircuit__> I have a question .. I had an
user .. so inside /home/user1 there was something like 1 user1 users
1218 Aug 15 23:48 .vimrc then there were user1 user1.. I mean two
groups users and user1 .. now I make a new user with adduser .. and
then I added the user2 to groups users and user1 .. so now from
inside the home directory to /user2 if I do cat /home/user1/.vimrc .
it shows permission denied
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1282[08:49:49] <shortCircuit__> why
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1283[08:50:22] <Choups> if i add "127.0.0.1 google.com"
to the /etc/hosts, basicly i'm blacklisting google, right?
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1284[08:51:00] <shortCircuit__> o.O u are phirming
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1285[08:51:13] <shortCircuit__> but yeah restricting access
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1287[08:51:25] <Choups> ok cool
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1288[08:51:34] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: uncomprehensible.
Pastebin your /etc/groups file, and "ls -l" for files that
behave badly
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1289[08:51:44] <shortCircuit__> ok
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1290[08:52:05] <doublehp> Choups: yes, it could fix a lot of
issues
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1292[08:53:07] <Choups> can a ubuntu 16.04 vps server use tor?
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1294[08:53:53] <jmcnaught> shortCircuit__: did user2 logout and
login after being added to the group? Is the parent directory
(~user1) accessible to user2?
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1295[08:54:01] <jmcnaught> Choups: please ask in #ubuntu
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1297[08:54:37] <doublehp> Choups: but if you have a local web
server, you may better use an other invalid address; one not used by
any service
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1299[08:55:23] <jelly> shortCircuit__: it depends. The other user
needs to have effective execute (x) permissions on all directories
in the path so /, /home, /home/user1, and then they also need
effective read permissions on the file.
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1300[08:55:51] <doublehp> Choups: otherwise your local server may
produce a lot of 404 in logs. But, the address should be reachable ;
otherwise, your google requests may take 5mn to expire; 127.0.0.1 is
a good practice because the IP is valid, but port 80 closed for 98%
workstations.
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1302[08:56:39] <shortCircuit__> jmncaught ... ow no didn't
do that
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1304[08:57:20] <jelly> Choups: also try #ubuntu-server if their
main channel is not useful
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1305[08:57:30] <shortCircuit__> I will relogin and come back
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1312[09:01:54] <Choups> doublehp, so imagine i want to block my
machine from connecting to google.com
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1313[09:02:07] <Choups> how do you sugest me to do it?
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1319[09:04:17] <shortCircuit__> I restarted the whole system ..
still same .. I think .rc file doesn't have group read access ?
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1327[09:08:13] <allan_wind> I tried everything I can think of and
I cannot get netinst running on this p50. If I boot up via the
ubuntu iso is there a way to kick off the installer that way?
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1336[09:10:25] <doublehp> Choups: your method will work; but if
you run a local web server, you will have side effects
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1338[09:11:27] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: as said by someone
else, ag-gojek needs execution access to all parent folders up to
the file; details depend
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1341[09:12:21] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: if it's owner of
folders, owner x; if it's in the same group, group execution;
otherwise, you need world execution (not good, but should still be
safe)
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1342[09:12:40] <shortCircuit__> so I should set the x bit on
files and folder that I only need manually
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1343[09:12:41] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: so, paste us this: ls
-la /home
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1344[09:12:44] <shortCircuit__> ok
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1345[09:12:59] <doublehp> will give us at the same time a
verification on your home (. line) and crotona
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1349[09:13:47] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: read directory is for
listing content; execution, to enter it; write to create file (not
modify existing ones; only create or delete files)
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1352[09:14:11] <shortCircuit__> :P I get that
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1358[09:15:01] <shortCircuit__>
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1360[09:15:29] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: read file is for
openning content; write, to alter content; execution to run it as a
program; in many case, if you have read access, but not X, you can
copy the file, and run it as your own user; in some case, this is
not good; there are special permissions where you can run a file,
YOURSELF, and the process will be owned by owner of file; this is
the case for su/sudo apps ... to give root rights to normal users.
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1368[09:16:48] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: as expected, crotnota
lacks X; now ... you want it for ag-gojek ... who does not belong to
group ownling the folder (crotona), so ...
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1371[09:17:46] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: either add ag-gojek to
group crotona and add X to group access, or, change the group owning
crotona folder (better solution) and also set X for group, or, add X
for world (unsually unsafe)
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1373[09:18:07] <shortCircuit__> I want only to read the .zshrc
file .. with cat .. so I thought that if both the users were having
same groups then I can read the file .. but I am wrong I guess
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1376[09:18:53] <shortCircuit__> I did add ag-gojek to crotona ..
like this sudo usermod -aG sudo,crotona,users,ag-gojek ag-gojek
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1378[09:19:01] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: Linux is problematic
and unsecure because only one user, and one group can own a
file/folder; Windows NT and Gnu/Hurd can set several owners for each
file; this allows finer security management (one of the rare point
where Windows is much more flexible than Linux)
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1379[09:19:34] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: most of my issues with
linux are related to how files are stored on disk.
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1382[09:20:29] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: after adding user to
group, user needs to relogin
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1383[09:20:37] <shortCircuit__> I did restart the system
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1384[09:20:44] <doublehp> (run a sub bash is usually enough,
without even logging out)
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1387[09:21:04] <shortCircuit__> what is a sub bash
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1391[09:21:18] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: re run /bin/bash (or
just "bash")
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1392[09:21:27] <shortCircuit__> oh
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1394[09:21:51] <doublehp> it may avoid to have to logout and
retype password (saving seconds). Check it with "id"
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1395[09:22:04] <shortCircuit__> :( same permission denied
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1396[09:22:19] <doublehp> so, if user is in cronota group, you
need to add X to group perms
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1398[09:22:28] <shortCircuit__> owk
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1399[09:22:33] <doublehp> run "id" as ag-gojekag-gojek
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1403[09:23:11] <doublehp> and in ls -l /home , you need an X in
7th position on cronota line
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1404[09:23:57] <shortCircuit__> ok u mean why chmod ing ?
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1405[09:24:30] <doublehp> chmod g+x /home/cronota
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1406[09:24:47] <doublehp> or whatever
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1409[09:25:31] <shortCircuit__> ok
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1413[09:26:24] <doublehp> using sudo to gain crotona rights from
ag-gojek to read the file could work; but much more complex, and
overkill for this purpose. And depending on what you want to do with
the file, it may be very complicated
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1415[09:26:45] <shortCircuit__> jus wanna read :P
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1416[09:26:52] <doublehp> if the file has the proper permissions,
you can simply source it, and immediately use the variables. simple,
fast, efficient.
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1418[09:27:09] <shortCircuit__> hm ok
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1420[09:27:22] <doublehp> but, yes, sudo cat could work ...
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1422[09:27:35] <shortCircuit__> yep that works .. thanks man
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1424[09:28:02] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: but, considering your
level, it was better appropriate to explain you details of user
management in UNIX
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1426[09:28:29] <doublehp> and the limits of Linux
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1427[09:29:30] <shortCircuit__> yep .. that was useful .. I have
a question like if I did chmod g+r /home/cronota it would still have
worked only for reading! and how is this one different from chgrp
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1428[09:29:56] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: all Windows Pro
versions using NTFS (familly and home versions use a light version
of NTFS without that feature) will allow to have several owners per
file; this is very powerfull (but you still need execution right on
parent folder)
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1430[09:30:40] <shortCircuit__> oh ok
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1432[09:31:02] <doublehp> there is a way to avoid giving x on
parent folder: make a hardlink for the file. The same content can be
shared by two file names, in two different folders. But, this has
other issues.
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1433[09:31:46] <doublehp> once ag-gojek is owning a hardlink of
the file, he may be able to alter content; crotona may not trus
aggojek enough for this
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1434[09:31:55] <shortCircuit__> yeah
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1437[09:32:11] <shortCircuit__> that is what I had in mind .. not
modifying the file ..
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1440[09:32:52] <doublehp> but if the trust each other, they can
share files this way. Then, they both own a file in their respective
home folders, without access to folder of the other one, and can
both alter the same content. This has many other issues
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1442[09:33:27] <doublehp> (if both change content at the same
time, older change is lost, and overwritten by new one, without
notice; it's very complex to prevent this collision)
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1444[09:33:54] <shortCircuit__> yeah then there has to something
like a mutex to prevent that
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1446[09:34:05] <doublehp> and I could provide a few other mid-way
cases :)
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1451[09:34:58] <doublehp> a hardlink of the file could be put in
home folder for aggojek, but, still owned by crotona; then, crotona
can allow aggojek to read it, staying owner, without X access for
it's home
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1453[09:35:47] <shortCircuit__> I will be a little dumb .. why
did the execution right make the difference ? I mean executing is
like source some_file or like running a program .. so when I did the
cat .. cat was executing cat on the .zshrc file and that is why th
eexecution right was required ?
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1456[09:36:11] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: you missed a line from
me 20mn ago
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1457[09:36:39] <shortCircuit__> the chmod g+x thing ?
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1458[09:36:40] <doublehp> shortCircuit__: x for a dir, allows to
enter it; R to list files; W to create new (empty) files, and remove
files
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1459[09:36:46] <shortCircuit__> oh I see
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1460[09:36:50] <shortCircuit__> :)
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1461[09:36:56] <shortCircuit__> now it makes sense
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1462[09:37:06] <shortCircuit__> ok brb lunch
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1463[09:37:10] <doublehp> bye
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1464[09:37:34] <doublehp> cat is not executing .zshrc
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1465[09:37:37] <doublehp> it's reading it
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1519[10:12:24] <shortCircuit__> can I ssh from my android mobile
into my debian and watch a movie I downloaded with vlc on android ..
I have downloaded an app called termux on phoen
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1520[10:12:26] <shortCircuit__> :P
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1522[10:13:01] <ranix> the short answer is no and the long answer
is yes
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1530[10:17:14] <wnk> hi, anyone here could tell me if i did smth
wrong with these tc commands?
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1531[10:17:17] <wnk> tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1:0 htb
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1532[10:17:17] <wnk> tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:0 classid 1:1
htb rate 1mbit
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1533[10:17:17] <wnk> tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:0 classid 1:2
htb rate 1mbit
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1534[10:17:17] <wnk> tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent
1:0 prio 1 u32 match ip dst 192.168.1.14 flowid 1:1
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1535[10:17:17] <wnk> tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent
1:0 prio 1 u32 match ip src 192.168.1.14 flowid 1:2
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1541[10:19:13] <KellyCramer> Hellstorm - Exposing The Real
Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full) "Germany's most
unforgivable crime before the Second World War, was her attempt to
extricate her economic power from the world's trading system
(ie: World-Bankers), and to create her own exchange mechanism (ie:
"Honest", non-interest bearing money) which would deny
"world finance" of its opportunity to profit".!!
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1542[10:19:19] <wnk> sorry kicked cos of pasting too many lines,
going to repeat my question with a pastebin
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1545[10:19:41] <wnk> anyone here could tell me if i did smth
wrong with these tc commands?
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1547[10:19:51] <wnk>
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1548[10:20:37] <shortCircuit__> ranix .. ok what is the long
answer
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1549[10:20:47] <ranix> yes
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1551[10:20:58] <shortCircuit__> :D I mean how
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1553[10:21:26] <ranix> you want to scp the file on your phone to
your linux computer?
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1554[10:21:38] <shortCircuit__> opposite
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1555[10:21:48] <ranix> there's plenty of ways to do that
then
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1556[10:21:56] <ranix> you can put it somewhere on the internet
and download it on the phone
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1557[10:21:58] <ranix> or serve it locally
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1558[10:22:03] <ranix> or upload it to the phone with adb
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1559[10:22:10] <ranix> over a usb cable
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1560[10:22:15] <shortCircuit__> yeah .. I can run a python server
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1561[10:22:20] <shortCircuit__> in the folder
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1563[10:22:27] <ranix> you could even download an ftp server for
your phone
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1564[10:22:29] <ranix> I've done that before
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1565[10:22:31] <shortCircuit__> yep
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1567[10:22:37] <wnk> u dont need weird things
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1568[10:22:46] <wnk> i do transfers between pc and android
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1569[10:22:50] <wnk> using airdroid
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1570[10:22:55] <wnk> via wifi
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1572[10:23:16] <wnk> download that app from market
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1573[10:23:19] <fingus> i am using jessie, and trying to restart
mysql which works fine, but the log has a Access denied for user
root@localhost using password no. is that some maintenance job
trying to run?
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1574[10:23:20] <shortCircuit__> yeah .. I can do those . I just
want to avoid two copies of the file
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1575[10:23:35] <ranix> that's a little more involved then
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1576[10:23:47] <ranix> you could stream it from a service to the
phone
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1578[10:24:13] <shortCircuit__> hm, that sounds nice .. looking
into that
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1581[10:26:45] <wnk> anyone here applied traffic limit rules?
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1583[10:26:56] <doublehp> wnk: y
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1585[10:27:32] <wnk> could u check 5 lines im trying to apply on
a virtual machine? ive prepared a pastebin
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1586[10:27:35] <wnk>
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1587[10:27:58] <doublehp> no :) I am not good in that :) I have 3
lines that work for me, that's all
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1590[10:28:08] <wnk> could u share them?
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1592[10:28:09] <wnk> xd
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1593[10:28:40] <wnk> i have a root qdisc
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1594[10:28:45] <wnk> 2 classes
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1595[10:28:53] <wnk> 1 for download speed
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1597[10:28:56] <wnk> 1 for upload
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1598[10:29:00] <wnk> and 2 filters
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1599[10:29:05] <wnk> applying those rules
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1600[10:29:09] <wnk> to the same ip
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1602[10:29:29] <wnk> but it doesnt limit the download, idk what
im doing wrong
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1607[10:30:01] <doublehp> wnk:
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1608[10:30:47] <doublehp> wnk: I wanted to limite download and/or
(i forgot) upload for eth1 (machine is a bridge between two subnets)
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1609[10:31:16] <wnk> thanks going to study that script :p
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1610[10:31:21] <wnk> yes i want to do smth similar
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1611[10:31:26] <wnk> on a dedicated server
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1614[10:31:46] <wnk> apply some bandwidth for each vm
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1615[10:32:02] <girlinvogue> Fucking terrifying. Have you seen
that?
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1616[10:32:08] <doublehp> i have 750kB xDSL; wanted to have a
full access lan, and a limited access lan; people behing this bidge
are limited to 500k
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1622[10:33:47] <wnk> ah u used it for home?.. in that case u
could use also a router with a custom firmware
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1623[10:34:14] <wnk> i had a linksys wrt54gl with a firmware
based on tomato called "tomato raf"
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1624[10:34:32] <wnk> it has a section where u just have to
inseert numbers
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1625[10:34:32] <wnk> xd
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1626[10:34:38] <wnk> but it uses tc behind
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1627[10:34:45] <sevenstorey> OMG we are taught such lies in
schools in UK and USA
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1628[10:35:11] <doublehp> wnk: I will buy a pro level switch on
ebay, soon, that can handle this at low level ...
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1629[10:35:40] <doublehp> sevenstorey: yes ...
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1630[10:35:46] <wnk> :p
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1633[10:36:19] <sevenstorey> doublehp, if you think of it
what's sicker than lying to children who don't know any
better and who have to regurgitate what you tell them just to pass
their classes?
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1635[10:37:24] <doublehp> sevenstorey: knowing that the teacher
teaching a lie, himself, is not aware he is teaching a lie, because
he learnt that from the government, and was never curious enough to
proof check it.
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1640[10:38:49] <doublehp> learnt in class i could not take the
square root of -1; took my HP48GX, "-1" , "sqrt"
... got a result that was not an error. "Sir, my calculator
says you are wrong" ...
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1703[11:12:14] <Mead> alright I am stumped on this, going through
an install got to the "install the base system" and I have
two options linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 or linux-image-amd64. What is
the difference between the two?
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1710[11:15:38] <conformist> linux-image-amd64 is a link to
default kernel 3.16.0-4
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1712[11:16:22] <Mead> so it doesn't matter which one I
choose?
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1715[11:18:02] <conformist> yes
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1717[11:18:32] <babilen> Mead: It matters when you upgrade to the
next release. If you have linux-image-amd64 your kernel will be
upgraded automatically, while it won't if you pick
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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1718[11:19:11] <Mead> dang it, I just picked the one with the
kernal number in it
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1719[11:19:22] <ranix> it's like a clever trap, set by a
crafty and cunning villain
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1721[11:19:56] <ranix> the daemons probably did it when you
weren't looking
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1722[11:20:48] <Mead> no I did it, I didn't think about how
it could effect upgrading
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1723[11:21:59] <Mead> oh well, I'll burn that bridge when i
get to it
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1739[11:28:35] <babilen> Mead: You can just "apt-get install
linux-image-amd64" after the initial install
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1749[11:36:20] <huwjr> hia can someone please help me with some
basic raiding help? i’m being utterly thick so please excuse
my utter ignorance.
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1760[11:39:17] <keenor> hello dear friends. what would be the
most effective way of backing up my servers /home/* and /etc/
directorys to my local machine. would it best be with scp and do I
have to gz the folders first
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1763[11:39:54] <Mead> huwjr, there are probably thousands of
websites with the basic info about raid listed on them
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1764[11:39:55] <huwjr> scp is dreadful use rsync
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1765[11:40:15] <keenor> ok i shall man that
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1766[11:40:17] <huwjr> yeah, i’ve read through a few, tried
out configs, i jsut don’t understand “why”
i’m doing certain thinks
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1770[11:40:42] <huwjr> things*
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1774[11:41:28] <huwjr> for example; almost every guide setting up
a simple RAID1 will create a small partition less thna a gb…
but they don’t explain why they’re doing that, or what
it’s used for.
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1778[11:43:32] <Mead> it is probably just house keeping info for
the drive that can be read if the raid isn't working
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1780[11:44:02] <huwjr> so they’re just reserving some space
as best practice?
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1782[11:44:23] <epsilon> size has nothing to do you raid
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1783[11:44:46] <huwjr> what’s to stop me not creating that
additional MD but leaving a some spare disk space for use later if
required? anything?
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1784[11:44:51] <Mead> they are reserving it to keep data relating
to the raid that can be read prior to the raid being initialized
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1785[11:44:57] <epsilon> you partition one disc as you need, and
2nd/3rd in same way, then RAID1 them partiton by partition
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1786[11:45:12] <huwjr> i understand that :)
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1788[11:46:00] <huwjr> cheers Mead - where is that setup? is it
strictly necessary?
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1790[11:46:27] <huwjr> i’ve read a bunch of cook books, and
they all create them, but they don’t use them!
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1791[11:46:45] <huwjr> they end up having multiple MDs for the
sake of one.. seems crazy
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1795[11:47:24] <Mead> you don't use them, the system uses
them.
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1814[11:58:39] <huwjr> yeah but i assume there is some setup
necessary?
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1820[12:02:10] <logithack1337> i'd like to play minecraft on
debian. i can start the game using "java -jar
Minecraft.jar". i can log in, choose the version desired etc.
then i hit "Play" and it starts the game. when i'm
in-game, however, and when i click any of the in-game buttons like
"Multiplayer" or "Options", nothing happens.
i've tried Oracle Java 1.8.101 and OpenJDK with java version
1.7.0_111 and IcedTea 2.6.7. any ideas?
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gnome's online-accounts. works great in nautilus/thunar. i
tried to access it via terminal but /run/user/1000/gvfs is empty.
isn't that where it should be? i'm confused
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1905[12:55:48] <CHCl3> I'm trying to install a wireless
network it is a texas acx 111, when I go to
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1907[12:56:05] <CHCl3> there are 3 choices c16, c17 and c19
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1908[12:56:23] <CHCl3> I can't find wich of the 3 is the
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1910[12:57:27] <Mead> aw my internet connection failed while
doing a internet install...
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1913[12:58:33] <CHCl3> Mead do you work by ethernet or wireless
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1916[12:59:09] <Mead> wireless, but it wouldn't matter.
Failure from the ISP resetting the DSL connection
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1920[13:00:37] <Mead> it reconnected, or I wouldn't be
talking to you right now
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1923[13:02:11] <Mead> When I lost my IRC connection on this
system, the machine I"m installing debian onto lost it's
connection too.
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1925[13:03:24] <Mead> yup, gotta start over, "select and
install software" step keeps failing everytime I rerun it.
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1926[13:03:36] <CHCl3> right, but if the failure is recursive you
should try to restart or reset, if it doesn't works go to the
router so see the connection parameters
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1927[13:04:06] <Mead> This happens constantly,
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1928[13:04:39] <Mead> like once or twice a day, doesn't
matter how often I reset or reboot my router
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1929[13:04:58] <Mead> half the time when it happens I get a new
dynamic IP address
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1932[13:06:11] <Mead> At&t really wants to get me to upgrade
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1933[13:07:07] <CHCl3> Did you checked the phisical installation
of the router?
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1934[13:07:18] <Mead> yes, many times in the past
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1936[13:07:46] <CHCl3> so the next step is call your isp tech
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1937[13:07:54] <Mead> and I've done that too
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1939[13:08:14] <Mead> they run a line check and say the problem
isn't theirs
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1940[13:08:16] <CHCl3> so the next step is changin your ISP
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1941[13:08:19] <CHCl3> jajajjaja
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1942[13:09:22] <Mead> they are rolling out gigabit service in my
area, I am holding out till that is available to change my service
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1946[13:10:40] <Mead> it's coming, they rolled out a load of
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1949[13:11:20] <Mead> I just hope that they don't do what
verizon did and stop rolling out service completely before my
neighborhood gets it rolled out
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1952[13:13:04] <Mead> in the neibhorhood across the major road,
they started rolling out fiber and found out the gas, water, and
electric lines aren't mapped very well when they keep hitting
them.
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1965[13:19:46] <Mead> this "overwriting with random
data" step took forver the first time
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1983[13:31:12] <random_dude> yesterday i had everything fine on
my Debian testing amd64 MATE everything default system, until...
"Gtk-Message: Failed to load module
"canberra-gtk-module"" happens when i try to launch
Caja file manager
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1984[13:32:19] <petn-randall> !debian-next
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1985[13:32:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1986[13:32:22] <petn-randall> random_dude: ^^^
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1987[13:32:59] <random_dude> not working /join #debian-next
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1988[13:33:29] <random_dude> why its not on freenode -_-
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1989[13:33:41] <themill> because most debian channels are not
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1992[13:35:00] <random_dude> i think Caja cant find library.
"ldd /usr/bin/caja" didnt return anything usefull. how to
check what path Caja looking for?
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1999[13:37:05] <random_dude> "ldd /usr/bin/caja | grep
canberra" return nothing. weird
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2000[13:37:18] <conformist> random_dude: libcanberra-gtk3-module
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2001[13:37:30] <xyassin> strace caja 2&>1 | grep can
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2002[13:37:31] <Mead> hold on, thereis a another irc network with
more debian channels?
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2003[13:37:54] <missmbob> !oftc move
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2004[13:37:55] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th
2006, see
replaced-url
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2006[13:38:32] <petn-randall> random_dude: It does help reading
the full message.
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2007[13:38:45] <Mead> that was like 10 years ago, haha
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2008[13:39:01] <missmbob> Mead: yes. and a lot of things only
exist there. such as #debian-next
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2009[13:39:28] <Mead> I didn't even know there was a debian
irc server...
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2010[13:39:41] <missmbob> it's a cname pointing to oftc is
all
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2013[13:41:05] <Mead> I must explore this network while this
install is running
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2014[13:41:40] <random_dude> xyassin: sorry, but "strace
caja 2&>1 | grep can" and Caja trying to open file
"2". adding "strace caja -- 2&>1 | grep
can" wont help much
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2018[13:43:22] <Mead> hum, what was the drama that had OFTC
startup? The MOTD makes it sound just like freenode
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2021[13:44:59] <babilen> dpkg: oftc move
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2022[13:44:59] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th
2006, see
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2023[13:45:02] <babilen> Mead: ^
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2027[13:45:48] <Manis> Hi. I'm trying to configure the
default for the Gnome desktop. All guides I find modify
/etc/dbus/..., but this is not present in Debian. How can I get it?
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2029[13:46:57] <Mead> babilen: someone else had set off that
trigger already, thanks though.
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2031[13:48:04] <babilen> Mead: I realised shortly thereafter :)
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2032[13:48:07] <random_dude> who knows bash, how do i end
"strace" args?
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2033[13:48:17] <babilen> random_dude: The #bash channel comes to
mind
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2034[13:48:38] <Mead> what does "SPI" stand for?
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2036[13:49:27] <random_dude> babilen: do bash talks count as
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2039[13:50:22] <babilen> random_dude: It really depends, but
generally speaking I'd argue that you find a high number of
people "who know[s] bash" in #bash
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2040[13:50:25] <TomTomTo1> Mead: it's an interface used by
microchips to communicate or something else depending on the
context.
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2044[13:51:11] <random_dude> arguing became kinda minstream
today. dont know what did i just say
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2045[13:51:12] <Mead> after I asked the question I found this via
google
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2046[13:51:20] <xyassin> random_dude: sorry 2>&1 it's
just stderr to stdout.
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2048[13:52:33] <random_dude> xyassin: thanks
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2049[13:52:36] <Mead> learn new stuff every day,
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2051[13:53:34] <babilen> random_dude: Just wanted to answer the
first of your two questions (i.e. "who knows bash"). I
didn't mean to imply that your topic is off-topic here, but
that #bash would be better suited for a long discussion about
redirection in bash
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2054[13:53:54] <random_dude> first line makes situation
"access("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so",
F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)"
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2057[13:54:52] <random_dude> babilen: thanks, i know bash, but
sometimes hole appears in my head and i need someone to point at my
mistake
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2060[13:56:10] <random_dude> i feel like gtk3 maintainers moved
libraries, thats testing
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2076[14:01:56] <Emil> Okay
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2077[14:01:58] <Emil> How the fuck do I unfuck dpkg?
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2078[14:02:27] <Emil> gitlab-ce install fucked up, dpkg reports
that it is in a very bad shape and I should install the package
before attempting removal (which again, does not work)
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2085[14:04:03] <babilen> Emil: I couldn't find that package
in Debian. Are you using their horrible "omnibus" package?
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2104[14:06:19] <Emil> babilen: yeah, but apparently it is fucked
up...
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2105[14:06:30] <Emil> So anything else will do
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2106[14:06:34] <Emil> How do I remove this shit?
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2108[14:06:57] <babilen> Emil: Could you paste your commands and
their output to
replaced-url
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2111[14:07:28] <Emil> babilen: yeah, but it is the god damn
gitlab
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2112[14:07:33] <Emil> why must they fuck up
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2113[14:07:43] <Emil> babilen: managed to unfuck dpkg and apt-get
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2115[14:07:50] <Emil> but that package is just not working
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2117[14:08:31] <babilen> Okay .. so everything is good now apart
from the fact that you don't have gitlab installed?
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2121[14:09:50] <Emil> babilen: yeah
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2123[14:10:02] <babilen> I'd say that's an improvement
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2124[14:10:15] <Emil> babilen: what other solution would you
suggest?
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2126[14:11:11] <babilen> Emil: I backported the package from sid
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2128[14:11:28] <babilen> dpkg: ssb
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2129[14:11:29] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2130[14:11:36] <babilen> Not sure if that works ^^^
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2132[14:12:30] <babilen> Could also check if a different
distribution ships gitlab already and deploy on that platform.
Xenial apparently ships 8.5.8
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2136[14:14:00] <Emil> babilen: It is backported already
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2137[14:14:14] <babilen> It is?
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2138[14:14:16] <themill> "it" being what?
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2139[14:14:19] <babilen> gitlab
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2141[14:14:37] <themill> (I was hoping Emil would be precise)
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2143[14:15:02] <babilen> Ah :)
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2153[14:20:48] <banquise> svvvvvvvvvvvvggggggggggggg
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2167[14:27:13] <Emil>
replaced-url
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2168[14:27:24] <Emil> If you are interested in a gitlab dpkg
strace
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2171[14:28:25] <McAndrew_> hi - im using debian9-testing - as
guest under virtualbox5.1.6 - my audio-device is not running. anyone
have an idea how to find mor informations and fix this problem?
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2172[14:28:50] <McAndrew_> i compiled and installed guest-drivers
already
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2174[14:30:08] <McAndrew_> im using plasma-5.7.4 - alsamixer is
showing audiodevice
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2186[14:32:51] <srandon1242> hello guys i did a dist-upgrade and
gnome has sticky icons on the desktop now... i have all the icons
doubled on the desktop... why ?
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2196[14:35:08] <marijnfs> frick, mate's file browser, caja,
is not working on either my pc or laptop
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2197[14:35:25] <marijnfs> both have debian stretch
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2198[14:35:38] <marijnfs> freaking thing happened already before,
why is it so instable?
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2199[14:35:40] <missmbob> !tell marijnfs about debian-next
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2201[14:36:04] <marijnfs> missmbob: ah, ill try there
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2202[14:36:06] <missmbob> marijnfs: you're asking why
stretch, which is "testing", is unstable? really?
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2203[14:36:12] <random_dude> i gonna end in conclusion that
better use anything that works for desktop purposes. i am using
nautilus now as file manager.
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2204[14:37:07] <marijnfs> yeah that seems to work, what are you
running?
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2205[14:37:39] <marijnfs> missmbob: I would also guess testing
gets fixed quicker, this problem has been combing back since half a
year
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2207[14:39:02] <CHCl3> hi!!! I'm trying to install a
wireless network texas acx111c16, after following all the steps
given here:
replaced-url
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2229[14:47:30] <babilen> CHCl3: Why do you think that it fails to
load the firmware?
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2233[14:48:03] <babilen> Could you paste the output of
"dmesg|grep -C5 tiacx111c16" to
replaced-url
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2234[14:48:07] <jelly> CHCl3: can you pastebin the actual,
complete and unchanged line from dmesg
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2235[14:48:17] <jelly> or a screenshot thereof
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2237[14:49:55] <CHCl3> ok just one sec
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2247[14:52:21] <CHCl3> here it is pastebin.com/8WkWu6BL
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2253[14:54:07] <CHCl3> babilen I don't know why doesn't
loads the driver, I've tried all the version aviable at
acx100.erley.org, but the generic tiacx111 that was requested before
was accepted by the system and no longer requested
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2257[14:56:07] <btcNeverSleeps> hey all I've got a noobish
question regarding this:
replaced-url
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2261[14:57:03] <btcNeverSleeps> I'm running Debian Stretch
and did "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" and
yet I'm still on kernel 4.5.3-2, not 4.7.5-1. How do I upgrade
to 4.7.5-1 ?
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2262[14:57:29] <missmbob> !tell btcNeverSleeps about debian-next
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2264[14:57:45] <btcNeverSleeps> missmbob: oh gotcha, tyvm, hoping
there!
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2361[15:49:20] <jhutchins> ,kernels
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2362[15:49:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686
(4.7.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.5-1); jessie-backports:
4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
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2369[15:54:58] <user323> hi, I have installed ufw on debian
jessie with "default deny" and "allow 22/tcp"
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2370[15:55:23] <user323> but iptables -L does not show the 22/tcp
rule. See:
replaced-url
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2372[15:56:01] <user323> KDE tries to connect to port 111 and
fails if ufw is enabled -> KDE start needs 5 minutes
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2379[15:59:46] <jhutchins> user323: Perhaps it would be better to
write your own rules.
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2380[16:00:27] <jhutchins> It seems silly to firewall localhost
from itself.
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2382[16:02:38] <paul_grozav> hello, I have a ftp server behind
NAT and uses public IP as pasv_address. But i can't connect
from the LAN to the server, using pasv address, because the
gw/firewall does not forward the traffic from interior to FTP
passive port. Any idea what to do in this case?
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2401[16:12:48] <ksk> if you are able use alternative protocols
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2402[16:12:50] <missmbob> so close
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2403[16:12:56] <ksk> aww
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2404[16:13:06] <ksk> !tell paul_grozav about ftp must die
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2406[16:15:01] <Mead> my network install failed twice after
downloading the install files
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2407[16:15:15] <missmbob> Mead: which iso?
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2409[16:15:59] <jelly> paul_grozav: why would it forward anything
if it's on the same LAN?
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2410[16:16:16] <Mead> firmware-8.6.0-amd-netinst
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2412[16:16:36] <missmbob> Mead: how did you copy iso to the
media?
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2413[16:17:06] <Mead> win32 disk imager
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2414[16:17:17] <missmbob> what do you mean by failed?
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2416[16:18:07] <Mead> when it came time to download components
from a mirror, they downloaded and I get a "installation setp
failed message" afterwards
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2418[16:18:33] <missmbob> Mead: you did md5sum or sha1sum check?
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2419[16:18:43] <Mead> of the ISO?
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2420[16:18:46] <missmbob> yes
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2421[16:19:11] <Mead> I had the installer check it in the
graphical expert install, said it was fine
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2425[16:19:38] <user323> jhutchins: is there a known bug in ufw?
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2430[16:22:18] <Mead> "check the cd-rom(s) integrity"
ends with a message "The CD-ROM integrity test was successful.
The CD_ROM is valid.", although I'm installing from a
flash drive...
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2435[16:24:31] <Mead> Isn't that some form of Hash check
built into the installer?
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2445[16:29:43] <professor101> hello
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2446[16:30:02] <Mead> hello
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2447[16:30:17] <professor101> I like the debian people
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2448[16:30:21] <professor101> they are very technical
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2689[16:39:40] <[-ShaD-]> now you understand the power of the IRC
troll lamer
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distinguish between if you put the image on a cdrom or a flash
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2755[16:44:25] <boxrick1> My apt-get seems to be looking for a
version which doesn't exist, is there any real reason for that,
where is this decided from?
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2758[16:44:51] <greycat> It's decided from the lists that
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2759[16:44:53] <kidney_thief_> hi, got a strange issue with
hibernation - when restoring from hibernation with full ram the
system reboots, even though my swap is 2x larger than ram. this
started to occur recently, but the problem persist on both 4.6 and
4.7 kernels (debian unstable)
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2760[16:45:02] <ksk> boxrick1: details? nopaste a "apt-cache
policy $package"
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2762[16:45:13] <WangDang> boxrick1: did you run apt-get update
before trying to install?
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2763[16:45:13] <kidney_thief_> when enabling various debug kernel
options I can see that image is successfully written and read from
swap
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2764[16:45:26] <kidney_thief_> the crash occurs after reading
image from swap
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2767[16:45:43] <kidney_thief_> logs don't show any errors
from drivers etc
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2777[16:46:24] <missmbob> !tell kidney_thief_ about debian-next
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2778[16:46:32] <somiaj> kidney_thief_: don't know enough
about hibernation to be of much help, but #debian-next on
irc.oftc.net is the prefered place for testing/unstable support
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2868[17:22:09] <allan_wind> Hi, just wanted to see if anyone have
had success in installation debian on a Lenovo P50 or P70 (skylake).
The stable or testing isos don't boot. Latest ubuntu does boot.
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2876[17:25:20] <missmbob> allan_wind: the installer wont boot? or
after installation it doesn't boot?
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2884[17:28:18] <allan_wind> missmbob: with secureboot disable the
netinst iso just doesn't boot with uefi (or legacy). bios just
lands me boot device selection
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2885[17:28:35] <missmbob> allan_wind: how did you copy
debian's iso to media?
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2891[17:29:16] <allan_wind> missmbob: cp or dd just like the
ubuntu iso that does boot
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2902[17:31:52] <jhutchins> !uefi
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2903[17:31:52] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface
(UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace
the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and
later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC
systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported.
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2905[17:32:17] <jhutchins> That's less than helpful.
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2906[17:32:22] <missmbob> allan_wind: which iso? live iso doesnt
support uefi and generally just sucks, fyi
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2907[17:32:58] <allan_wind> missmbob: netinst and I tried both
stable and testing, also tried the live image and no good either. I
am speculating that maybe it's a skylake thing
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2911[17:34:39] <jhutchins> allan_wind: Yet the ubuntu image
boots, so we can probably eliminate problems with the devices...
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2919[17:36:16] <allan_wind> jhutchins: yeah, is there a way to
modify a netinst to use a newer kernel?
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2921[17:36:44] <greycat> That would be a question for debian-boot
on the OFTC network, most likely.
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2922[17:37:16] <allan_wind> greycat: not familar with oftc, diff
irc server?
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2924[17:37:31] <jhutchins> allan_wind: There shouldn't be
that much difference between stable ubuntu and stable debian
kernels.
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2925[17:37:39] <greycat> !oftc
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2926[17:37:39] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network.
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2927[17:38:09] <greycat> jhutchins: oh? which kernel does the
stable ubuntu release currently use?
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2928[17:38:24] <allan_wind> jhutchins: I think ubuntu is 3.2
while stable is 3.16
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2929[17:38:31] <greycat> I'm not even sure what stable
*means* to ubuntu, since they appear to have a "release"
every 6 months.
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2931[17:38:45] <allan_wind> hmm... that sounded dumb, let me
check again
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2936[17:39:06] <teraflops> also what does stable means?
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2941[17:40:09] <allan_wind> teraflops: stable is jessie, no?
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2942[17:40:10] <teraflops> stable kernel is 4.7.6 according
kernel.org
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2943[17:40:16] <teraflops> allan_wind: ah k
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2944[17:40:39] <greycat> teraflops: we're talking about
stable operating system releases, not Linux kernels.
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2946[17:40:46] <teraflops> yeah sorry
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2947[17:40:56] <allan_wind> teraflops: the manifest for 16.04
says linux 4.4.0 but I don't know if that is what the installer
runs
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2948[17:41:20] <teraflops> allan_wind: I guess ubuntu has LTS
releases too
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2953[17:43:20] <jhutchins> teraflops: Whatever would be on the
installer image.
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2956[17:44:01] <jhutchins> allan_wind: iirc the installer
actually runs isolinux rather than the debian kernel.
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2957[17:44:11] <jhutchins> allan_wind: How far do you get in the
boot process?
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2962[17:48:08] <allan_wind> jhutchins: bios tries to boot the
iso, presumably fails, and gives me other devices to attempt to boot
from. There is a zero debug output as far as I can tell
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2983[17:56:49] <bezaban> 16.04 went with a non lts kernel iirc
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2984[17:56:56] <bezaban> or was that 14?
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2986[17:57:23] <bezaban> so canoical is supposed to backport
their own kernel patches
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2992[17:58:06] <allan_wind> bezaban: debian-boot suggested I try
a daily netinst, so giving that a whirl now
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2997[17:59:05] <ScottE> bezaban: they do backport a lot of things
- and then squash the commit history. You don't actually know
what kernel you are running with Ubuntu even if you checkout the
git, at least not easily.
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3003[18:00:07] <allan_wind> ScottE: is there a way to to a term
with ubuntu during install? alt f? doens't seem to work
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3004[18:00:29] <socomm> to to a term?
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3005[18:00:43] <socomm> my inglish isn't so good, can you
rephrase the question?
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3006[18:00:54] <bezaban> ScottE: good to know, I just remember
this now applies to the kernel too. I only have ubuntu on some
legacy systems and I prefer not to think about them..
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3007[18:01:00] <ScottE> Canonical will do some other interesting
things in an LTS kernel patch too, such as enabling transparent huge
pages which they did in some trusty patch level.
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3008[18:01:04] <allan_wind> socomm: yeah, console, so I see the
kernel version just like the debian installer allows you (at least
last time I tried it did)
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3010[18:01:39] <bezaban> well. applies to 'regular kernel
patches' too
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3017[18:02:59] <ScottE> That's true, it can happen anywhere;
though I've noticed debian sticks much more closely to upstream
kernel which is nice (traceable and less likely to break things)
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3023[18:04:37] <bezaban> allan_wind: I am on a lenovo x260 with a
skylake
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3024[18:05:14] <allan_wind> 16.04 runs linux 4.4.0-38 when you
boot into the install
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3025[18:05:22] <bezaban> allan_wind: while I am drifting OT,
ubuntu 16.04 worked, but I landed on fedora. Everything works except
the 4g, which is a known issue.
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3026[18:05:26] <allan_wind> into the os after the install
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3030[18:05:55] <bezaban> Linux sinope 4.7.3-200.fc24.x86_64
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3032[18:06:32] <bezaban> sinope is my hostname (moons of jupiter
theme)
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3033[18:06:41] <allan_wind> bezaban: thx for the info. I did
slackware to debian and it latter has been my distro for a long,
long time
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3034[18:07:18] <bezaban> allan_wind: could never get jessie to
work on skylake. sadly.
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3036[18:07:57] <allan_wind> bezaban: I will just pretend I
didn't hear that ;-)
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3038[18:08:08] <bezaban> there is always arch, but meh.
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3040[18:08:16] <bezaban> allan_wind: I did not try too hard :)
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3041[18:08:55] <allan_wind> yeah!!!
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3042[18:08:59] <allan_wind> daily worked!!!
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3043[18:09:00] <bezaban> there is a good thread.
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3044[18:09:02] <bezaban> oooo
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3054[18:11:02] <allan_wind> Not sure if there are logs, but for
the record to get a P50 booting I had to disable secure boot then
grab a daily netinst from here
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3056[18:12:22] <bezaban> stretch?
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3057[18:13:07] <allan_wind> It's daily build of stretch, I
think
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3063[18:16:29] <HaMsTeRs> hey guys
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3064[18:16:30] <somiaj> allan_wind: does the stable installer not
support that hardware (usually better to use that than the testing
installer)
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3066[18:16:47] <bezaban> allan_wind: the p50 is mean! You will
not get the qualcomm EM7455 to work if that is in your
configuration. Drivers are close, but a missing init command stops
it
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3067[18:16:57] <HaMsTeRs> i'm having issue with my debian
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3068[18:17:06] <somiaj> HaMsTeRs: just ask your question/explain
your problem.
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3069[18:17:17] <HaMsTeRs> I'm not sure why it doesnt
recognized my keyboard when I enabled XRDP
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3072[18:18:14] <bezaban> allan_wind: that is the wireless modem
chipset
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3078[18:20:22] <bezaban> apparently there is a fix otw upstream
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3083[18:22:50] <allan_wind> somiaj: it does not appear so
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3089[18:25:22] <allan_wind> bezaban: wireless as in wlan and not
wifi, right?
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3092[18:26:08] <esaym153> so the "Transition freeze" is
next month, but what is "Transition freeze"?
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3094[18:26:25] <esaym153> trying to figure out if I should update
my stable install to testing yet... not sure what the weather is
like yet..
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3097[18:27:20] <HaMsTeRs> also the Florence on screen keyboard
works like crap
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3100[18:28:11] <allan_wind> esaym153: I used to run unstable,
then testing, and now happy with stable plus selected few packages
from backport. It just works. Why do you want to run testing?
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3101[18:29:48] <esaym153> allan_wind: I used to always run
testing, bu then I got lazy. I finally migrated to using pulseaudio,
but stable only have version 7 inh backport. I'm wanting the
shinny new version 9 in testing...
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3105[18:30:10] <esaym153> looks like it might be too hard to
backport to stable, so thought I'd just upgrade to testing...
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3106[18:30:43] <missmbob> esaym153: of pulseaudio?
jessie-backports has 7.1
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3107[18:30:55] <allan_wind> esaym153: other than shiny, any
reason for pa 9?
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3108[18:30:55] <esaym153> which might be safer in january or
february, since that is a full freeze. But trying to figure out what
the freeze in Nov means
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3109[18:31:01] <missmbob> esaym153: so pretty silly to upgrade to
testing for it.
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3110[18:31:07] <esaym153> allan_wind: just shinny I guess :/
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3113[18:32:11] <esaym153> The only think I'm really worried
about, is KDE, since I'm a kde user, looks like a lot of
changed in there, going to version 5 apparently
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3114[18:32:58] * esaym153 is still wondering what "Transition
freeze" means...
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3115[18:33:21] <missmbob> jessie has kde 5...
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3116[18:33:25] <missmbob> you're not making sense
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3118[18:33:37] <allan_wind> The installer fails after I partition
the file system trying to mount partition 1 as /boot/efi. Any ideas?
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3123[18:34:51] <teraflops> allan_wind: nope since you're
using an automated daily build of the installer ^
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3124[18:34:56] <esaym153> missmbob: eh? kde 5? In backports?
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3128[18:35:40] <allan_wind> teraflops: compelled to by hardware
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3129[18:35:50] <teraflops> yeah but
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3132[18:36:38] <petn-randall> esaym153: It means that all library
transitions have to be done by that date.
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3133[18:36:52] <teraflops> allan_wind: what I mean is I've
seen the testing installer failing so many times so idk
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3191[19:00:18] <jhutchins> HaMsTeRs: What are you trying to use
xrdp for? Do you mean the keyboard isn't recognized on the
system running xrdp, or a remote system conneting to it?
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3221[19:11:11] <bigterd> any reason why HPS+ complains of bad
superblock when trying to mount an offset from an image? the hdd
partition mounts ok, and no copy errors when cloning...
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3224[19:11:41] <bigterd> it's 512byte, so sector*512 =
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3227[19:12:21] <HaMsTeRs> [ 8.829809] input: AT Translated Set 2
keyboard as
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3228[19:12:21] <HaMsTeRs> [ 8.872826] intel_rapl: no valid rapl
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3236[19:12:41] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys what is the best guide for
setting up mail so that i can send mail to my email for example
overtime someone connects to the server via SSH
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3242[19:13:36] <cast> Psil0Cybin: google, tbh. it's pretty
simple to setup exim in debian, pretty much just a dpkg reconfigure
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3252[19:15:29] <dogui> Hi, has anyone managed to install cuda 8
on debian?
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3253[19:15:39] <Psil0Cybin> ah exam i was just confused because
of mail vs exam
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3255[19:16:30] <cast> fwiw i'd just go with
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3256[19:16:37] <Psil0Cybin> so mail is just local correct?
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3258[19:16:45] <Psil0Cybin> stored on the machine it self, as
like messages or logs?
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3259[19:16:46] <cast> what does 'local' mean?
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3262[19:17:03] <Psil0Cybin> well i mean is mail kinda like
/var/log, what is it used for if it is not sending out mail to an
external address
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3264[19:17:11] <Psil0Cybin> i want to learn
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3267[19:18:23] <cast> commonly it's used to just send mail
to users on the same machine [root gets a lot of mail]
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3268[19:18:29] <teraflops> Psil0Cybin: you want mail delivery
only for the local machine?
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3270[19:20:41] <Psil0Cybin> teraflops i want it to send to an
external email address, like log files of everyday or perhaps
overtime someone connects via ssh
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3271[19:21:54] <cast> the good ol log aggregation and monitoring
over smpto solution (:
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3272[19:22:02] <cast> s/smpto/smtp/
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3273[19:22:34] <Psil0Cybin> i see so mail is only used for the
machine and won't actually send out mail
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3275[19:22:43] <Psil0Cybin> i need to actually install exim like
you suggested
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3276[19:22:44] <Psil0Cybin> correct?
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3277[19:22:51] <Psil0Cybin> sorry just a little confused at the
documentation
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3283[19:25:32] <`Kevin> >> for setting up mail so that i
can send mail to my email
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3284[19:25:45] <`Kevin> ah he timedout
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3286[19:26:06] <teraflops> Psil0Cybin: as in your own@domain? or
using an existing one i.e existing gmail account?
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3293[19:28:42] <teraflops> it's me or freenode is having one
of these days?
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3295[19:29:02] <greycat> There was a split a few hours ago, but
nothing currently that I can see.
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3297[19:29:07] <teraflops> hmm
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3299[19:29:23] <Colloguy> is there a gui program for
resizing/moving luks-encrypted partitions available in debian?
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3302[19:30:43] <missmbob> Colloguy: it's a real bitch.
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3304[19:31:31] <Colloguy> was hoping to not have to go through
that :(
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3305[19:31:35] <teraflops> Colloguy: in debian? you know of any
at all?
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3306[19:31:58] <Colloguy> teraflops: none packaged for debian
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3308[19:32:44] <Colloguy> I guess everyone just uses lvm on
luks...
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3313[19:33:53] <teraflops> lolno
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3321[19:36:41] <`Kevin> Colloguy: lvm just makes the resize
easier but also just helps in general with layout woes regarding
resizing, technically you should be able to just re-create a
partition using same start sector and a larger end sector
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3323[19:37:10] <`Kevin> that isnt always feasible using a
physical disk and multiple partitions
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3324[19:37:15] <`Kevin> thus lvm is easier
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3325[19:37:28] <`Kevin> or zfs.. etc
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3329[19:38:19] <Colloguy> the issue I had with lvm on luks is:
distro installers don't seem to have out-of-box support for
installing into an *existing* lvm
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3330[19:38:19] <allan_wind> lvm adds complexity, though, and if
you don't need the flexibility I think it's easier to
leave it out
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3332[19:38:31] <Psil0Cybin> does anyone know what else i would
install with exim4 in order to send logs to external email
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3333[19:38:35] <Psil0Cybin> or for example when anyone connects
via ssh
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3334[19:38:38] <Psil0Cybin> to send me an email
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3337[19:38:54] <`Kevin> allan_wind: agreed
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3339[19:39:24] <Colloguy> and since I would like some partitions
to not be unlocked along with the root partition, and some
partitions to be unencrypted for debugging, I end up with a setup
involving regular partitions and lvm parttions
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3340[19:39:48] <teraflops> Colloguy: that's why deboostrap
is better! (imo)
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3348[19:43:23] <farakat> how's debian compared to other
distros that are stable, etc
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3350[19:43:38] <Colloguy> when trying a new distro, I just
don't want to have to fuss with the installation process to get
it to install into an existing lvm, basically
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3358[19:45:32] <dontknow> farakat, it is stable
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3361[19:46:37] <farakat> oh no I meant like debian compared to
other distros like Opensuse Leap etc
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3362[19:46:49] <farakat> like other distros that are also stable
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3363[19:46:56] <Psil0Cybin> i like debian
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3364[19:46:57] <dontknow> farakat, ubuntu only support their main
repo and not universe repo. universe repo hasthe most of the
software. on the other hand, debian supports all packages
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3365[19:47:01] <greycat> Your question is too open-ended for
anyone to know how to answer you.
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3366[19:47:06] <Psil0Cybin> lol
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3367[19:47:07] <farakat> ah
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3369[19:47:52] <farakat> that's pretty cool. so Debian can
support more software that ubuntu repos don't
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3370[19:48:00] <dontknow> yes
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3375[19:49:20] <dontknow> for example, on ubuntu transmission
doesn't get updates. on debian it gets
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3376[19:49:28] <farakat> wow that's crazy
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3377[19:49:29] <dontknow> security updates
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3378[19:49:42] <farakat> I use transmission as well for torrents
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3380[19:49:58] <dontknow> yes me too
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3381[19:50:02] <farakat> I might as well stay on debian
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3383[19:51:21] <Drzacek> Hi. Anyone knows where the address book
from kaddressbook is saved?
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3386[19:52:17] <dontknow> have you chacked .config folder?
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3387[19:52:42] <dontknow> sorry not config
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3388[19:53:17] <dontknow> press ctrl+h on home folder and look at
if there is a kaddressbook relatet folder
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3390[19:54:52] <somiaj> maybe the man page gives the location of
the data files
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3391[19:55:07] <Drzacek> thanks
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3399[19:57:12] <jhutchins> Drzacek: It was obfuscated in 3.5 and
I'm sure it's worse now, it was buried in .kde?
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3400[19:57:26] <jhutchins> Drzacek: Kind of have to dig through
and examine all files.
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3401[19:57:27] <Drzacek> still looking
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3403[19:57:36] <rattking> could it be in the akonadi database?
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3404[19:57:55] <jhutchins> Drzacek: Since it's assumed you
wont't touch the actual file it's not documented in the
user docs.
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