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• 2[00:01:06] <awal1> how to clear/reset terminal after executing a command whithout closing it?
• 3[00:01:31] <dvs> how to reset a terminal? Hmmmm....
• 4[00:01:53] <awal1> command & exit does the job for run the command the colse terminal
• 5[00:02:11] <awal1> command & reset/clear won't
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• 12[00:03:53] <awal1> in fact I just want stop the output stuff of the command (Ctrl+c) without closing the terminal/exiting shell login
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• 17[00:04:45] <dvs> like "> /dev/null" ?
• 18[00:04:46] <stoned> replaced-url
• 19[00:04:52] <stoned> it won't stop doing this.
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• 21[00:04:57] <vectr0n> start it w/ a tool like screen/tmux? theres lots of options tho
• 22[00:05:01] <stoned> Anyone encountered this in debian?
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• 25[00:05:25] <stoned> Qt: 4.8.6
• 26[00:05:26] <stoned> KDE Development Platform: 4.14.2
• 27[00:05:33] <stoned> whatever is in 8.6 debian
• 28[00:05:42] <stoned> It won't stop making zombies.
• 29[00:05:44] <awal1> dvs: no :P
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• 31[00:06:54] <awal1> dvs: command + "something doing the job/executing ^C (ctrl+c)"
• 32[00:07:34] <awal1> bcuz > /dev/null just doesn't hides the output
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• 34[00:07:47] <awal1> bcuz > /dev/null just hides the output ^
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• 37[00:08:28] <dvs> awal1, so "> /dev/null &" ?
• 38[00:08:31] <themill> Can you try to describe what you're trying to actually achieve (and not what you think the solution might be)
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• 45[00:09:58] <awal1> dvs: command > /dev/null & does the job partially, thanks
• 46[00:10:14] <dvs> no prob.
• 47[00:10:26] <dvs> what doesn't it do?
• 48[00:10:35] <awal1> themill: command > /dev/null & plus something for clear the terminal or reset it
• 49[00:10:37] <awal1> :P
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• 51[00:11:03] <vectr0n> add "; clear" at the end?
• 52[00:11:06] <vectr0n> lol
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• 54[00:11:12] <dvs> or the beginning?
• 55[00:11:19] <vectr0n> that to
• 56[00:11:27] <themill> What's the purpose of '&' there? What do you want to do with clear or reset?
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• 58[00:12:36] <awal1> vectr0n: syntax error with ;
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• 60[00:12:49] <awal1> & for daemonize/run in background
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• 62[00:12:50] <vectr0n> if you put it on the front it would be "clear ;"
• 63[00:12:56] <vectr0n> on the end will be "; clear"
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• 65[00:14:23] <themill> awal1: please tell us what you actually want... the answers you're getting match what people think you want. You need to use different words to ask a clearer question.
• 66[00:14:39] <vectr0n> ^
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• 69[00:15:27] <awal1> themill: bad english here sorry. but ok I solved it: "command ; reset" or "command ; clear" does what I want
• 70[00:16:34] <awal1> sorry, I mean "command & clear" or "command & reset"
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• 73[00:17:28] <themill> running those two commands at the same time makes little sense to me, but if you're happy
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• 75[00:18:25] <awal1> it's just launch and background x app but I don't waht to see the output of what the app is doing, just background that program and clear/reset the terminal for clear the window so
• 76[00:18:29] <themill> (and the starting point 15 min ago was that "command & clear" didn't do what you want)
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• 82[00:19:41] <awal1> no body told me command & clear/reset :P
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• 89[00:21:38] <jasabella> if foo > /dev/null doesn't do it, the program is probably outputting to stderr instead stdout, try foo 2>&1 > /dev/null
• 90[00:21:56] <jasabella> that way both stdout and stderr streams are being sent to /dev/null
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• 94[00:22:19] <awal1> themill: oh, sorry yeah I told that before; I dont know why it files for someapps (tint2, specifically), that was what I tried when i told that
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• 97[00:22:36] <awal1> it fails ^
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• 101[00:23:38] <awal1> jasabella: what does 2>&1 ?
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• 103[00:23:58] <jasabella> redirects fd 2 (stderr) to fd 1 (stdout)
• 104[00:24:11] <jasabella> it's a shell feature
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• 106[00:24:17] <jasabella> man bash
• 107[00:24:18] <awal1> ok, ok; thanks
• 108[00:24:21] <jasabella> (assuming you're using bash)
• 109[00:24:24] <dvs> awal1, it still sounds like "clear && <command> > /dev/null &" to me
• 110[00:24:34] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 112[00:25:09] <jasabella> sounds like you need to read up on how your shell tokenises commands
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• 115[00:25:28] <jasabella> && and ; have special uses
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• 130[00:30:50] <awal1> tint2 2>&1 > /dev/null and clear && tint2 > /dev/null & doesn't work. tint2 still displaying it's outputs :D
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• 134[00:31:53] <awal1> but it's okay guys. sorry for the noise. as themill said, it's shorter running two commands (command 1, command 2) :)
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• 141[00:35:54] <awal1> jasabella: what you mean by shell tokenises commands ?
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• 145[00:37:19] <somiaj> awal1:
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• 147[00:37:38] <somiaj> awal1: > only redirects stdout, there is also stderr, so 2>&1 >/dev/null
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• 153[00:39:53] <awal1> somiaj: ok, I got it, thanks
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• 155[00:40:41] <alercah> Hey all
• 156[00:40:51] <alercah> wicd has become more and more unusable lately
• 157[00:40:55] <alercah> what are the alternatives?
• 158[00:41:06] <alercah> in particular I can no longer get it to do WPA enterprise auth
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• 160[00:41:26] <awal1> network-manager / connman
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• 162[00:41:33] <somiaj> alercah: or just use wpasupplicant
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• 165[00:41:50] <somiaj> in roam moad, there is wpa_cli and wpa_gui to control it
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• 167[00:41:51] <awal1> ,v wpa-gui
• 168[00:41:52] <judd> No package named 'wpa-gui' was found in amd64.
• 169[00:42:31] <awal1> ,v wpa_gui
• 170[00:42:32] <judd> No package named 'wpa_gui' was found in amd64.
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• 172[00:44:04] <awal1> ,v wpagui
• 173[00:44:07] <judd> Package: wpagui on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.0-3+deb7u4; jessie-security: 2.3-1+deb8u3; jessie: 2.3-1+deb8u4; stretch: 2.5-2+v2.4-3+b1; sid: 2.6-2
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• 183[00:52:00] <jasabella> awal1... as in how the shell splits up what you type into individual commands
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• 185[00:53:00] <jasabella> foo && bar is different from foo ; bar
• 186[00:54:20] <jasabella> and foo && bar > /dev/null might not do what you expect
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• 197[00:57:36] <awal1> jasabella: ok got you. tried all that but tint2 panel still anoying with it's output, so I have to use ^C then clear/reset. but it's ok; not an issue :) I guess I have to change something in tint 2 conffile. thanks for your time
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• 226[01:08:18] <machinehum> Is it possible to make a script that launches a cli process then feeds a few lines into that process
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• 229[01:10:15] <teraflops> use a fifo i think, but your question was not clear to me
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• 233[01:12:04] <machinehum> So lets say my "Script" looks like this 1: process 2: cmd
• 234[01:12:35] <bazhang> what exactly does the script do, please be clear
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• 236[01:13:18] <machinehum> It opens a GDB debugger, then enters some commants regarding the target
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• 238[01:13:51] <machinehum> #!/bin/bash
• 239[01:13:53] <machinehum> arm-none-eabi-gdb main.elf
• 240[01:13:55] <machinehum> target remote localhost:3000
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• 326[02:08:38] <Resilience> hello to everyone, my vlc is hanging when playing videos, it does play sound but the video is freezed, what can I see to know what's happening?
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• 330[02:10:27] <jeffer> do a top with and without vlc running?
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• 332[02:10:34] <jeffer> try playing the video from a difference source
• 333[02:10:49] <jeffer> could be the hard drive or whatever its playing from has a problem
• 334[02:10:57] <Resilience> jeffer, I have tried it with mplayer, gnome.mplayer and videos and they all freeze the same :/
• 335[02:11:05] <jeffer> if its super high def and your computer sucks then maybe it just cant handle it
• 336[02:11:10] <Resilience> and it is for all videos in my hd
• 337[02:11:21] <jeffer> how long has it been happening
• 338[02:11:28] <jeffer> hard drive might have issues if its all videos
• 339[02:11:40] <jeffer> have you played similar videos from the same hdd in the past?
• 340[02:11:41] <Resilience> I have been playing videos for years, it is freezing with old videos that did not freeze it yet
• 341[02:11:49] <Resilience> yes
• 342[02:11:52] <Resilience> I did
• 343[02:11:58] <jeffer> and just recently they have all started freezing?
• 344[02:12:06] <Resilience> yes
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• 346[02:12:20] <jeffer> transfer one of the videos that is freezing to a different medium and play it from there
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• 348[02:12:34] <jeffer> another way you can test it is by doing...i think its hdparm?
• 349[02:12:41] <jeffer> idk google how to test HDD read speed
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• 351[02:12:42] <Resilience> they freeze from two hd's
• 352[02:12:50] <jeffer> how big are they
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• 354[02:13:08] <Resilience> videoas? movies, GBs, disks? about 350 GB
• 355[02:13:30] <jeffer> the movies themselves, i.e. what quality? 1080/720 etc
• 356[02:13:37] <Resilience> it seems like a kernel problem maybe? or some common library for video playing? or maybe X?
• 357[02:13:41] <jeffer> avg size, 5gb/10gb
• 358[02:13:54] <jeffer> how long ago did it start happening
• 359[02:13:58] <Resilience> 720 and 1080, different encodings, different containers
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• 362[02:14:15] <Resilience> how long? we can say a few days (I am not too much into movies)
• 363[02:14:33] <jeffer> and do you remember any changes you made around that time that might be associated with this problem?
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• 366[02:15:34] <Resilience> yes. update/dist-upgrade, but cannot remember what was upgraded (I think X and kernel, and a lot more things)
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• 368[02:16:51] <alercah> judd: somiaj thank you
• 369[02:17:19] <jeffer> is that a direct correlation or just the only change you remember making?
• 370[02:17:46] <jeffer> i would open up top get a rough baseline and then try playing a video while keeping an eye on top
• 371[02:18:03] <jeffer> if shit is getting maxed out or what
• 372[02:18:03] <Resilience> what's a rough baseline?
• 373[02:18:06] <jeffer> mem/cpu etc
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• 375[02:18:13] <jeffer> whatever it is without the video playing
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• 377[02:18:34] <jeffer> you dont feel that your computer is slow/laggy/freezy doing anything else except for when you watch movies?
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• 379[02:18:51] <Resilience> I have tried to search in dmesg output, but it said nothing, maybe starting vlc from cli to see the term output?
• 380[02:19:12] <jeffer> yeah good idea if its throwing errors
• 381[02:19:15] <Resilience> no, I don'0t anything about that, it is just that the video hang, the video, not the playing
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• 385[02:20:13] <jeffer> so to be clear, you play the video, audio plays fine, vlc window is just black instead of showing the picture, and the computer itself still runs fine?
• 386[02:20:47] <Resilience> yes, that's right, bur nor always black, soemtimes a freeze picture, the video stops
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• 388[02:21:27] <jeffer> okay
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• 391[02:22:15] <jeffer> thats a weird one, lemme know if you get anything running it from cli
• 392[02:22:22] <somiaj> check to see the correct video drivers were loaded with the newer kernel/xorg
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• 394[02:22:54] <Resilience> jeffer, -> vdpau_avcodec generic error: decoder profile not supported: 12 AND Stream with high frequencies VQ coding
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• 400[02:26:18] <jeffer> i think somiaj has the right idea
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• 402[02:26:26] <jeffer> google that error and start fucking around with that shit
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• 404[02:27:29] <Resilience> ir seems lie a problem with the vpdau
• 405[02:27:39] <Resilience> somiaj, erh... how can I test that about the drivers?
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• 407[02:28:02] <somiaj> read your xorg log and dmesg
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• 419[02:33:39] <phenotis> So how come the browser doesn't work?
• 420[02:34:07] <dvs> ???
• 421[02:34:32] <phenotis> I was so excited but the only proggy there didn't work
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• 423[02:34:53] <phenotis> For noroot android
• 424[02:35:02] <dvs> What doesn't the browser do?
• 425[02:35:08] <dvs> oh, nvm
• 426[02:35:12] <phenotis> I'm on Android
• 427[02:35:17] <phenotis> Doesn't work
• 428[02:35:27] <phenotis> U really would have thought
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• 430[02:35:56] <phenotis> U been here awhile
• 431[02:36:31] <phenotis> I mean maybe it works on other phones but I doubt it
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• 435[02:38:08] <phenotis> DVs been chilling here since like the last five or ten years
• 436[02:38:17] <missmbob> !ot
• 437[02:38:17] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 439[02:39:07] <phenotis> Yeah, dpkg
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• 444[02:41:07] <phenotis> Help
• 445[02:41:53] <phenotis> Sorry
• 446[02:41:54] <phenotis> Slash missing
• 447[02:41:55] <abrotman> phenotis: this channel isn't for Android help
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• 492[03:08:08] <zhemor> hey guys, I have a problem reading the containets of my sd-card, it says: "DCIM NIKON001.DSC PRIVATE" anyone any thoughts?
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• 501[03:11:01] <aging> can you delete that nikon001.dsc file?
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• 505[03:11:36] <DarinMiller> ram1kram
• 506[03:11:53] <zhemor> will it delete the files on the sd-card?
• 507[03:11:59] <aging> no
• 508[03:12:25] <aging> theyre in DCIM folder
• 509[03:12:29] <zhemor> so... delete: "NIKON001.DSC
• 510[03:12:32] <aging> ya
• 511[03:12:56] <aging> file is probably corrupt
• 512[03:13:14] <zhemor> can't remove it, no such diractory
• 513[03:13:39] <aging> ls -l show it's a directory?
• 514[03:14:03] <zhemor> ls -l does not list my sd-card
• 515[03:14:22] <zhemor> its in /dev/mmcblk0p1
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• 518[03:14:27] <aging> oh you cant even get to the "drive"?
• 519[03:14:37] <aging> ls -l that drive?
• 520[03:15:18] <zhemor> what..?
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• 522[03:15:41] <aging> ls -l /dev/mmcblk0pl
• 523[03:16:12] <zhemor> brw-rw-r-- 1 zhemor disk 179, 1 Jan 3 02:44 /dev/mmcblk0p1
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• 527[03:16:34] <abrotman> zhemor: the other files work? you can browse them on the camera?
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• 529[03:16:41] <zhemor> yes
• 530[03:16:46] <aging> i jujst googled this: replaced-url
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• 533[03:17:01] <newcoder> Can debian jessie be used as servers?
• 534[03:17:10] <aging> ya servers
• 535[03:17:12] <dvs> of course!
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• 538[03:19:13] <aging> can u delete *.dsc while using camera?
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• 540[03:19:26] <zhemor> not sure, gimme a sec i'll try
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• 544[03:21:13] <zhemor> camcorders have the worst GUI ever... no I can not remove it from the camcorder
• 545[03:21:36] <aging> or rm /dev/mmcblk0pl/*.dsc
• 546[03:21:51] <aging> or whatever the filename is
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• 548[03:22:11] <aging> *.DSC srry
• 549[03:22:30] <aging> caps sensitive
• 550[03:22:31] <zhemor> Not a directory
• 551[03:22:40] <newcoder> devtea: aging Are you sure?
• 552[03:23:03] <aging> why's it say directory? weird
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• 554[03:23:05] <aging> wierd
• 555[03:23:16] <aging> rm deletes files
• 556[03:23:25] <zhemor> I know right..
• 557[03:23:29] <newcoder> devtea: aging Are you sure that debian can be used as server?
• 558[03:23:37] <zhemor> yes
• 559[03:23:50] <aging> what kind of server?
• 560[03:24:06] <aging> nethack server? mail server? ftp server? drink server?
• 561[03:24:11] <newcoder> Apache,mysql,php,
• 562[03:24:18] <aging> sure cam
• 563[03:24:20] <aging> *can
• 564[03:24:36] <aging> i dunno what else to do zhemor, im new to debian
• 565[03:24:43] <aging> pop it in a windows machine =)
• 566[03:24:52] <aging> =o
• 567[03:24:59] <zhemor> hehe
• 568[03:25:04] <zhemor> dont have one of them
• 569[03:25:08] <zhemor> -.-'
• 570[03:25:11] <abrotman> !enter
• 571[03:25:11] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
• 572[03:25:13] <aging> have you tried a file manager?
• 573[03:25:14] <watersj> could be a kvm host for winder servers
• 574[03:25:34] <zhemor> i could get a virtual machine
• 575[03:25:39] <zhemor> that should do the trick
• 576[03:25:39] <aging> u putting the card in your computer or connnecting camera w/a cord?
• 577[03:25:56] <zhemor> yea or that, but it should just work
• 578[03:26:37] <aging> sry i cant help
• 579[03:26:49] <zhemor> im putting the sd-card in directly, sorry read it work
• 580[03:26:59] <zhemor> wrong*
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• 588[03:31:07] <mrproper> Not sure what the right channel is. But I’m on MacOS with VMware Fusion hosting a Debian guest and trying to do shared directories. The directory shows up in Debian but shows no permissions. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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• 591[03:32:05] <abrotman> There is a #vmware, not sure how much help that would be
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• 593[03:32:44] <mrproper> Yeah, unfortunately it falls between a couple channels.
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• 595[03:33:33] <abrotman> But that'd be a good place to start to ensure you've got all the correct software installed on all sides
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• 598[03:35:09] <suboptimal90> You might need VMWare Tools for Linux Guests installed
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• 600[03:35:40] <mrproper> It is installed.
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• 607[03:39:19] <jeffer> mrproper, is shared directories a specific term or do you mean like nfs or something
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• 609[03:39:32] <mrproper> jeffer: Specific term to VMware and other VM setup
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• 614[03:40:30] <jeffer> yeah, doesnt hurt to ask here but sounds like a question geared towards them. as far as troubleshooting, maybe try (or have you already?) a new vm with different gues like centos or something
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• 623[03:46:23] <alercah> a
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• 634[03:54:46] <rocketmagnet> hi all
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• 637[03:55:35] <rocketmagnet> i've a strange problem, i've turned on "intel virtualisation" in my bios and since then i only get a blank screen instead of my login.... i also installed the kvm packages
• 638[03:56:03] <rocketmagnet> i can switch to X with alt+F7 but only get a black screen
• 639[03:56:16] <rocketmagnet> i mean strg+alt+f7
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• 642[03:57:15] <rocketmagnet> strange... now its working ... hmmm
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• 656[04:06:17] <likcoras_> Hi, is there a way I can use the remaining space on my usb after putting a debian live usb image on it?
• 657[04:06:43] <missmbob> likcoras_: no
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• 659[04:08:02] <k-t> it depends on how you put it in your usb
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• 662[04:08:40] <likcoras_> I mean, I was able to do it with an arch installer image, if I remember correctly.
• 663[04:08:58] <likcoras_> But wasn't sure how much of those instructions applied to debian as well.
• 664[04:09:09] <abrotman> likcoras_: depends how you set it up, but typically, no
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• 669[04:09:49] <likcoras_> Huh, I see... How can I set it up so it is possible? Something like this? replaced-url
• 670[04:09:58] <likcoras_> Instead of just dding, I guess?
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• 675[04:11:37] <likcoras_> I've tried trying to partition a usb I had already dded to, but it failed with something along the lines of 'too many primary parititions'.
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• 681[04:15:07] <k-t> likcoras_: keyword would be persistence
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• 683[04:17:07] <likcoras_> Persistence would be being able to retain configuration changes or something, no?
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• 685[04:19:26] <likcoras_> I guess that works too. What I want is just being able to use the ~30G of space left on the usb so I can store other files in it, in case I need to transfer files between computers.
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• 687[04:21:02] <genoobie> stoned, you here?
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• 689[04:21:23] <genoobie> or jim or doublehp
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• 691[04:21:32] <genoobie> anyone record midi?
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• 694[04:22:23] <abrotman> genoobie: just ask your real question
• 695[04:23:16] <abrotman> if you don't get a decent answer, try again tomorrow
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• 820[04:45:31] <echosystm> hi guys i set up a debian box as a router
• 821[04:45:41] <echosystm> wlan0 -> eth0 -> ppp0 -> internet
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• 823[04:45:58] <echosystm> everything is mostly working, but a handful of websites never load
• 824[04:46:10] <echosystm> i can ping them and even send curl requests
• 825[04:46:23] <echosystm> however, as soon as i hit the vhost, i get timeouts
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• 827[04:46:37] <echosystm> speedtest.net and quora are two examples
• 828[04:46:59] <echosystm> so taking speedtest for example
• 829[04:47:11] <echosystm> curl 151.101.192.230 gives me a response
• 830[04:47:32] <echosystm> curl 151.101.192.230 -H 'Host: replaced-url
• 831[04:47:37] <echosystm> any ideas?
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• 833[04:48:25] <echosystm> this happens both from my laptop and my phone on wlan0
• 834[04:48:33] <echosystm> if i enable my vpn on either, everything works
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• 837[04:50:41] <r3> I would think maybe the difference between replaced-url
• 838[04:51:08] <r3> so maybe port 80 is working and 443 isn;t
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• 841[04:51:24] <echosystm> ssl/tls to other websites works fine
• 842[04:51:50] <echosystm> also replaced-url
• 843[04:51:55] <echosystm> just plain http
• 844[04:52:08] <r3> that was only my first guess :)
• 845[04:52:40] <mophed> where is the /dev/inittab file for debian?
• 846[04:52:45] <r3> define "never load" ... maybe a dns issue?
• 847[04:53:00] <echosystm> can't be a DNS issue or i wouldnt be able to ping
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• 849[04:53:04] <mophed> i would like my system to boot into command line and not start right in to X
• 850[04:53:15] <echosystm> i used ping to get the IP address above
• 851[04:53:38] <echosystm> it's so weird
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• 853[04:54:54] <r3> I've also seen it with a mis-matched MTU
• 854[04:55:09] <echosystm> hmmm
• 855[04:55:15] <echosystm> that could be it
• 856[04:55:18] <r3> actually, I've had that same issue (with some sites not loading, just spinning) until I got an MTU right
• 857[04:55:46] <echosystm> yeah that's probably what it is
• 858[04:55:48] <echosystm> good thinking
• 859[04:55:49] <echosystm> thanks
• 860[04:55:52] <r3> I try
• 861[04:56:06] <echosystm> i just left that all as default
• 862[04:56:14] <echosystm> any suggestions on what i might change?
• 863[04:56:33] <r3> (took me a minute, as it's late here and I couldn't think of the name of it for a while... MTU. Yeah, that's it.)
• 864[04:57:14] <r3> well, no. Um, it really sort of depends
• 865[04:57:20] * r3 thinks
• 866[04:57:55] <mophed> im sorry that was /etc/inittab and i dont see it on my system
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• 868[04:58:48] <r3> if you can find what it is coming into the LAN (meaning, variously, cable 'modem', DSL 'router', what have you) be sure that the debian router has a matching (or smaller?) number, somewhere like 1482? sounds right
• 869[04:59:10] <echosystm> mophed: there is no inittab afaik, because we don't use initv anymore, we use systemd
• 870[04:59:22] <echosystm> sysv i mean, not initv lol
• 871[05:00:06] <mophed> im sorry i have never used debian before. so i am like 1 hour new to this
• 872[05:00:16] <r3> check /etc/network/interfaces (IIRC) you might add a 'mtu 1482' line in there
• 873[05:00:23] <echosystm> ok cool
• 874[05:00:29] <echosystm> i'll give it a try when i get home
• 875[05:00:30] <echosystm> thanks
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• 877[05:00:41] <echosystm> is 1482 a pretty safe value?
• 878[05:00:56] <r3> sorta depends upon your network topology
• 879[05:01:08] <echosystm> well
• 880[05:01:11] <echosystm> i have fiber
• 881[05:01:35] <echosystm> this debian box IS the "modem"
• 882[05:01:48] <echosystm> my house has a little ethernet -> fiber box, but i don't know what it does
• 883[05:01:49] <r3> Ethernet is 1500, and well if you are using DSL from a provider it is less as there is routing in there, so 1492 takes a byte out of that, and smaller values leave more wiggle room
• 884[05:02:14] <r3> if it's FDDI the number is much larger, I don't remember what, but like 4000 something
• 885[05:02:31] <echosystm> fddi still exists?
• 886[05:02:43] <r3> well, that's what I used to work with
• 887[05:02:46] <echosystm> i didn't know token rings were still used
• 888[05:03:20] <r3> FDDI != token ring necessarily
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• 890[05:03:48] <r3> so check your provider's support, maybe, see what their setting is and try it, or their value minus a byte or two
• 891[05:03:53] <echosystm> ok will do
• 892[05:03:55] <echosystm> thanks for your help
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• 894[05:04:21] <r3> sure thing, hope it helps - you could check to see what it is now, and then reduce it by a byte
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• 898[05:05:28] <r3> there's a few articles, I am sure, on stackexchange about MTU values and how to determine yours/an optimal one
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• 901[05:06:46] <r3> I think the default is 1500, so maybe try 'mtu 1492' and see if that fixes one of the hanging websites
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• 904[05:07:56] <likcoras_> !nodm
• 905[05:07:57] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 906[05:08:03] <r3> and that should be on the interface just before the internet, I think
• 907[05:08:06] <likcoras_> mophed: ^ ?
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• 909[05:08:22] <mophed> i am here
• 910[05:08:30] <r3> echosystm: meaning, don't change the value for your LAN, that's not what we're after
• 911[05:08:37] <likcoras_> mophed: I mean the message from the bot
• 912[05:09:24] <jeffer> out of curiosity why are you running debian w/out a dm?
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• 915[05:09:43] <mophed> i am running gnome
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• 917[05:09:53] <mophed> i just dont want the sytem to boot into it
• 918[05:10:08] <jeffer> why not? im just curious
• 919[05:10:19] <mophed> id like to keep it command line until i startx
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• 921[05:10:30] <r3> echosystm: your LAN, I am meaning your home network, right? See what I mean? The MTU on the interface that is going out of your house. Like firewall interface, or 'modem' interface. Changing in on the LAN side isn't going to do any good and should probably stay 1500
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• 926[05:11:19] <mophed> mostly because i dont like the login screen. and most of the things i use this computer for can be done from CLI
• 927[05:11:36] <jeffer> oh
• 928[05:12:09] <jeffer> i was gonna say if you wanted it cli only you should use centos, if nothing else for the experience on an enterprise version
• 929[05:12:27] <jeffer> anything that isnt my desktop i use centos for
• 930[05:12:34] <awal1> mophed: disable or mask gdm3 (systemctl disable gdm3) then use xinitrc + startx when you want to log in X (gnome-session)
• 931[05:12:38] <jeffer> just my two cents though
• 932[05:12:47] <r3> funny, jeffer, anything that isn't my desktop I use debian for
• 933[05:13:32] * r3 hops echosystm got the last note as he needs to head out
• 934[05:13:47] <jeffer> what do you use on your desktop then?
• 935[05:13:49] <jeffer> :)
• 936[05:13:57] <r3> I take the fifth there ;)
• 937[05:14:02] <jeffer> windows rip
• 938[05:14:13] <jeffer> :P
• 939[05:14:44] <r3> but VMs of debian on desktop, too, so *shrug* :P
• 940[05:14:53] <awal1> mophed: ctrl+alt+f1, log in , nano ~/.xinitrc and insert exec gnome-session . save the file and run startx when you want to log in X
• 941[05:15:13] <mophed> awal1: thank you !!!! :)
• 942[05:15:54] <mophed> i have centos on a vm
• 943[05:16:06] <mophed> my main box runs osx
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• 945[05:16:24] <awal1> But gdm3 may be started anyway even if disabled/masked unless you remove it (if you can) or install an other DM then you'll be able to disable them both
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• 949[05:17:36] <awal1> something in debian, some configuration somewhere, force the load of the DM, if only one is installed, even if disabled/masked
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• 952[05:18:45] <awal1> mophed: I'm curious about if gdm3 does not load after running systemctl disable gdm3
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• 954[05:20:36] <mophed> insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `gdm3' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
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• 956[05:23:15] <mophed> xinitrc does not exist so that exec gnome will be the only line
• 957[05:24:38] <r3> echosystm: hope you got that last bit, hope it works out, I'm out cheers :)
• 958[05:28:00] <awal1> mophed: create it as hidden file in your home dir (.xinitrc)
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• 961[05:29:41] <awal1> you only need that line (exec gnome-session) yeah; for start your gnome session via xinit+startx
• 962[05:31:06] <echosystm> thanks r3
• 963[05:31:10] <echosystm> sorry i was afk
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• 992[05:49:43] <mophed> ima restart and see it it works
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• 997[05:53:58] <mophed> no dice :(
• 998[05:54:16] <mophed> i guess ill just stick witht he GUI
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• 1005[05:57:18] <likcoras_> mophed: try uninstalling gdm
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• 1014[06:04:42] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 1017[06:05:27] <awal1> mophed: have you disabled gdm3?
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• 1026[06:10:02] <mophed> i did that systemctl command to disable it, yes
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• 1030[06:10:58] <awal1> you may not be able to disable it as it's a dep for gnome and systemd likes it, and as I said "something" will force it load, being the only DM. stop it from tty every time you login or install another lightweight DM (slim/wdm) then you'll be able to disable them both
• 1031[06:11:19] <awal1> you may not be able to remove it ^
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• 1033[06:12:25] <jeffer> you should be able to
• 1034[06:12:38] <jeffer> but there are a few different components
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• 1036[06:13:14] <mophed> i also did an apt-get update && upgrade and some services were restarted during the process. making my screen really crispy but when i just restarted the login screen is all blurry again. do you happen to know what could have been restarted?
• 1037[06:13:32] <jeffer> its pretty easy to install a cli only distro and add the de after. then it defaults to cli and you can startx when you want
• 1038[06:14:05] <jeffer> how blurry are we talking
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• 1042[06:16:03] <mophed> like i cant see any of the text. i can see everything just fine once i log in. except the "applications" in the top left corner. or the whole top bar for that matter
• 1043[06:16:33] <mophed> but it fixed itself during the update
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• 1046[06:17:06] <mophed> lspci | grep VGA shows a AMD/ATI compatible controller
• 1047[06:18:47] <awal1> mophed: do you like gnome?
• 1048[06:19:46] <mophed> not really. it looks like a rip off of OSX or the other way around. i really dont like the hot corners
• 1049[06:20:17] <mophed> but it came preinstalled and has all the applications all ready to go and organized though
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• 1051[06:20:54] <awal1> preinstalled?
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• 1053[06:21:38] <mophed> yeah. with kali
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• 1055[06:21:56] <mophed> which uses debian.
• 1056[06:22:25] <awal1> hmm, you are with kali...
• 1057[06:23:16] <mophed> but its just debian no?
• 1058[06:23:31] <awal1> that's why you said "applications" in the top left corner
• 1059[06:23:34] <missmbob> !kali
• 1060[06:23:34] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1063[06:24:36] <awal1> because gnome-shell jessie version doesn't have that "applications" in left corner, unless you use an extra extension
• 1064[06:24:53] <mophed> i thought it was just debian with all their extra crap in it
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• 1071[06:27:55] <awal1> mophed: almst all kali programs are from debian. just install debian and install the "hacking" stuff you want
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• 1073[06:28:29] <mophed> i have done that on another computer with arch. and blackarch
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• 1075[06:29:17] <mophed> i guess i could just do that on here with deb as well
• 1076[06:29:21] <mophed> replaced-url
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• 1086[06:33:00] <awal1> mophed: check replaced-url
• 1087[06:34:06] <mophed> if i could only show you all my books ;)
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• 1092[06:35:37] <habs> Does Debian distribute initrd.gz files that include all the base packages? I'm specifically looking for a generic armhf one, but I can only find netinstall initrd.gz's on this page? replaced-url
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• 1094[06:38:11] <mophed> awal1: check out replaced-url
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• 1111[06:48:17] <jeffer> what is that channel limit shiz
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• 1125[06:59:08] <slicktux> Does debian use binary packages by default or is it source? if the latter can does debian offer bianry packages?
• 1126[06:59:44] <habs> slicktux: Debian uses binary packages by default, see packages.debian.org
• 1127[07:00:03] <slicktux> habs: thank you; what is the default init?
• 1128[07:00:32] <habs> slicktux: systemd at the moment
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• 1207[08:03:59] <kajika> Hello : I'm trying to get a user to be able to 'reboot' but I get 'Failed to execute operation: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files'. I read about polkit but I don't understand why I have this message...
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• 1209[08:05:21] <somiaj> kajika: You may have to look up on how to configure policykit to allow users to run things like reboot, you could also set up sudo to do this with NOPASS for a certain user/group.
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• 1211[08:06:21] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 1212[08:06:50] <somiaj> seems in jessie you can just use systemctl to do this, unsure if the user needs to be in any group for this from that page.
• 1213[08:07:19] <kajika> I don't understand how 'debian' is able to output such a message if polkit isn't installed (I'm not sure of its installation)
• 1214[08:07:36] <kajika> systemctl doesn't do any good with me
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• 1219[08:08:19] <somiaj> well as per that page you need systemd and policykit-1 installed to use systemctl
• 1220[08:08:32] <somiaj> and that error is comming from dbus it seems.
• 1221[08:08:47] <somiaj> or just comming from systemd.
• 1222[08:08:57] <kajika> I tried using /etc/sudoers but it didn't work either
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• 1226[08:09:58] <kajika> I'm having some hard time figuring why those permissions seem to need packages, debian as an OS probably already have a system for that
• 1227[08:10:15] <kajika> guess I need to learn more about dbus
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• 1231[08:11:58] <somiaj> kajika: well there are lots of ways to give a normal user root permisions in certain cases. policykit is just one of them and needs to be installed/configured.
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• 1234[08:12:41] <somiaj> If you installed a DE this would be default.
• 1235[08:13:41] <kajika> DE?
• 1236[08:13:45] <somiaj> desktop enviorment.
• 1237[08:14:13] <kajika> well it's a server and I was aiming at minimal installation
• 1238[08:14:31] <kajika> need to learn
• 1239[08:14:36] <somiaj> correct, and so a lot of these extra stuff may not be installed unless you want it.
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• 1243[08:16:38] <kajika> finally I managed it
• 1244[08:16:43] <kajika> using sudoers
• 1245[08:16:55] <kajika> so I can type 'sudo reboot' without password
• 1246[08:17:06] <somiaj> nice, yea that is one way, the other way would be install policykit-1 package.
• 1247[08:17:10] <kajika> will do the trick and is probably simplier/cleaner
• 1248[08:17:22] <kajika> thank you
• 1249[08:17:31] <somiaj> not really a trick, it is a design choice and what sort of tools you have insatlled on your system.
• 1250[08:18:49] <kajika> no I will be able to fiddle with my iptables and reboot remotely if I loose my ssh (trying to get the port knocking working...)
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• 1252[08:18:55] <kajika> now*
• 1253[08:19:11] <somiaj> yea the policykit according to teh wiki would have only worked for locally logged in users anyways without adjustment.
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• 1262[08:24:11] <thadtheman> When getting a source package via apt-get source, I get a gpgv missing public key error. Is the key supposed to go into the users keyring or some system keyring?
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• 1264[08:25:04] <somiaj> thadtheman: is this from some third party source (not debian?) I'm not quite positive o how keys work, but I think you'll need the key for the repo accesable by apt, so to me that sounds like system.
• 1265[08:25:14] <themill> Source packages are signed but you may or may not have the key to check that signature prior to unpacking; apt will have already checked the signature
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• 1277[08:31:51] <bill_> have just upgraded jessie to 4.8 kernel. Stops at loading ram disk (in recovery as well). Platform is Microsoft Surface 3 (no-pro)
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• 1284[08:38:01] <somiaj> bill_: what kernel were you using before? Where did you get the 4.8 kernel?
• 1285[08:38:35] <bill_> using 4,2 upgraded via synaptic
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• 1288[08:39:17] <somiaj> bill_: can you be more clear on location? YOu have jessie-backports enabled? 4.2 is an old kernel so do you not upgrade regurally?
• 1289[08:39:53] <bill_> 4.2 kernel was patched one got from linux mint
• 1290[08:40:19] <somiaj> so you are installing linux mint kernels in debian? We don't support mixing distributions here.
• 1291[08:40:54] <linuxcrazy> hello, linux newbie here. installed Debian stable today.
• 1292[08:40:58] <aging> yahoo!
• 1293[08:41:05] <bill_> that's why i am trying to get debian kernel working
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• 1295[08:41:29] <somiaj> bill_: have you mixed any other packages from unoffical sources?
• 1296[08:42:02] <aging> how do you like it linuxcrazy?
• 1297[08:42:16] <somiaj> bill_: and can you be more clear as stops loading ram disk? What are you using a ram disk?
• 1298[08:42:24] <bill_> only sid and testing
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• 1300[08:42:43] <linuxcrazy> yesterday, tried with Linux Mint Mate on my old laptop. Today it became quite sluggish and didn't respond well. Just removed it and installed Debian stable.
• 1301[08:42:44] <somiaj> bill_: so you have mixed linux mint, jessie, sid and testing. Yea your system is not going to be supported here.
• 1302[08:42:47] <somiaj> !frankendebian
• 1303[08:42:47] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 1304[08:43:09] <aging> hah!
• 1305[08:43:24] <aging> #frankendebian?
• 1306[08:43:28] <linuxcrazy> I have installed Debian stable with lxde. So far, working well.
• 1307[08:43:33] <linuxcrazy> quite snappy.
• 1308[08:43:39] <aging> yes! i have lxde too
• 1309[08:43:45] <aging> so fast
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• 1311[08:43:49] <bill_> i used mint kernel because at time (year ago) was only one for surface
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• 1314[08:44:37] <linuxcrazy> But, need to install so many other packages now.
• 1315[08:45:05] <somiaj> bill_: anyways, debian is not designed to be mixing things (due to shared libaries). You won't get support for mixing, because the bug could be from mixing things not designed to work together.
• 1316[08:45:16] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: well it is easy to isntall packages in debian, any paticular software you need?
• 1317[08:45:26] <bill_> ta bye
• 1318[08:45:32] <aging> i found a lot already installed. i did install conky and hexchat and some wireless utility stuff
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• 1320[08:45:40] <linuxcrazy> guys, would it not be better for a beginner to go for a debian based distros which comes with some most frequently used packages?
• 1321[08:45:41] <aging> and ruby
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• 1323[08:45:53] <linuxcrazy> I can install them myself, though.
• 1324[08:46:02] <aging> better to get debian and install what you want
• 1325[08:46:11] <aging> rather than some bloated debian based distro
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• 1327[08:46:52] <aging> i've had debian maybe 2 wks and i want to remove win10 from my other computer already
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• 1329[08:46:59] <linuxcrazy> there is a Lubuntu based distro called LXLE. It comes pre-installed with most of the packages that a user needs generally.
• 1330[08:47:12] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: personal choice there, may here would suggest stick with debian, it is worth learning a bit more about a distro before moving on.
• 1331[08:47:31] <linuxcrazy> where can I install the packages from?
• 1332[08:47:36] <aging> what's missing from debian?
• 1333[08:47:44] <aging> apt-get or synaptic pkg manager
• 1334[08:47:47] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: that is hard to quanityf, the lxde task will come with most packages that the lxde team thinks a user of lxde would want.
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• 1336[08:48:07] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: debian offers 20,000+ packages, just use apt-get install and install them. Just make sure you have your internet sources set up correctly.
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• 1339[08:48:55] <linuxcrazy> ok. Is there any software centre, gui based that a beginner like me can use?
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• 1341[08:49:07] <aging> synaptic package manager
• 1342[08:49:16] <aging> off preferences menu
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• 1348[08:49:28] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: I think it is worth learning apt or apt-get.
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• 1350[08:49:35] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: but there is synamptic if needed.
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• 1352[08:49:53] <aging> apt-get is quicker =) and eventually easier
• 1353[08:49:54] <linuxcrazy> ok. But I am a beginner switching from windows.
• 1354[08:50:04] <linuxcrazy> I'll try to learn it, though.
• 1355[08:50:07] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: sure, but it is still worth learning.
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• 1360[08:50:23] <aging> use the terminal as much as you can
• 1361[08:50:34] <hexadecimal> hey guys
• 1362[08:50:42] <linuxcrazy> but, how can I know which package is available and for what purpose?
• 1363[08:50:50] <aging> debian is so much nicer than windows because you can learn what all the files on your computer are for
• 1364[08:50:57] <aging> google what you might want
• 1365[08:51:04] <aging> pkg manager shows descriptions
• 1366[08:51:30] <aging> google "image viewer for debian", but debian does come w/image viewer i.e.
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• 1368[08:51:43] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: apt-cache search can search packages, debian provides various choices. If unsure ask here.
• 1369[08:51:59] <aging> somiaj so helpful!
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• 1372[08:52:33] <aging> i pretend to help because it helps me learn =p
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• 1375[08:53:10] <aging> i suggest 'grep' as a command to learn
• 1376[08:53:29] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1377[08:53:39] <aging> i use it w/everything
• 1378[08:53:45] <aging> makes life easy
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• 1380[08:53:48] <somiaj> not really need for basic system management though, I would learn things as you need them. So what sort of software is missing that you want to install?
• 1381[08:53:59] <linuxcrazy> is there any comprehensive document available for debian, preferably in pdf.
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• 1383[08:54:01] <linuxcrazy> ?
• 1384[08:54:05] <aging> yes linuxcrazy
• 1385[08:54:08] <aging> hold on...
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• 1387[08:54:23] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: replaced-url
• 1388[08:54:29] <aging> ^ ya that
• 1389[08:54:54] <linuxcrazy> thanks a lot somiaj, for that link.
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• 1391[08:55:03] <aging> check out linux bible or hacking linux exposed from you library
• 1392[08:55:09] <aging> *your
• 1393[08:55:37] <linuxcrazy> I am just an end user, though. Needed a Linux OS for home and office use.
• 1394[08:55:47] <aging> me2
• 1395[08:55:55] <aging> i just put it on my laptop for fun
• 1396[08:55:57] <somiaj> no need to go so deep, just learn things as you need them, so any paticular software you need help with?
• 1397[08:56:01] <linuxcrazy> But, still that would be quite helpful.
• 1398[08:56:11] <aging> ya tell us software u want
• 1399[08:56:22] <linuxcrazy> ok
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• 1401[08:56:39] <linuxcrazy> I need a pdf viewer and editor.
• 1402[08:56:47] <aging> leafpad comes w/debian
• 1403[08:56:59] <aging> and .pdf viewer
• 1404[08:57:12] <aging> just double click .PDF in PCmanFM (file manager)
• 1405[08:57:16] <linuxcrazy> yes. It is there.
• 1406[08:57:43] <linuxcrazy> wine?
• 1407[08:57:43] <aging> dont run leafpad as root tho =)
• 1408[08:57:52] <linuxcrazy> aging, why?
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• 1410[08:58:08] <aging> i editted some config files in my home dir and it made them owned by root
• 1411[08:58:14] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: pdf editors are not the best in linux, why do you need to edit pdfs (as opposed to generate them), as for viewers there are lots of them.
• 1412[08:58:14] <aging> use sudo
• 1413[08:58:22] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: evince is a nice one people like.
• 1414[08:58:34] <bolt> using sudo and running it as root does pretty much the same thing
• 1415[08:58:45] <bolt> if leafpad wasn't trustworthy, it'd end up with root access either way
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• 1417[08:58:58] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1418[08:59:05] <aging> hmm, ive had better luck w/sudo, but im a newb
• 1419[08:59:26] <linuxcrazy> I have some pdf files that keep asking for password in Linux. But, not in Windows and on my tablet.
• 1420[08:59:27] <aging> now teach me how to make a red text line directed at someone on irc
• 1421[08:59:38] <aging> what DIR are the files in?
• 1422[08:59:44] <bolt> colors are not enabled in this channel, i believe
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• 1424[08:59:51] <linuxcrazy> normal.
• 1425[08:59:55] <somiaj> aging: say the name of the person you are talking to. Most irc clients will highlight that.
• 1426[09:00:03] <aging> somiaj ...
• 1427[09:00:05] <linuxcrazy> but, other pdfs, I'm able to open them/
• 1428[09:00:14] <aging> normal?
• 1429[09:00:21] <aging> aging ...
• 1430[09:00:23] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: could be your windows machine has the password in memory.
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• 1432[09:00:47] <linuxcrazy> no. I'm not using Windows on this machine.
• 1433[09:00:49] <bolt> people advice you to use sudo because it prevents you from accidentally doing something disasterous you didn't intend. it's generally a good idea. but when sudo is used to launch a program as root, the program runs as root just as if you ran it when logged in as root.
• 1434[09:01:01] <aging> ^ thanks
• 1435[09:01:10] <aging> is it asking root pw linuxcrazy?
• 1436[09:01:11] <linuxcrazy> I can open those pdfs on my android tablet.
• 1437[09:01:24] <aging> they in download dir??
• 1438[09:01:28] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: and you never entered a password for them on your other machines?
• 1439[09:01:29] <linuxcrazy> aging, no.they are not asking for root password.
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• 1441[09:01:37] <aging> beyond me
• 1442[09:01:38] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: how are you opening these pdfs?
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• 1445[09:01:57] <aging> i have yet to put linux on a tablet
• 1446[09:02:02] <linuxcrazy> aging, whichever dir I move them, they still ask for password.
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• 1449[09:02:20] <linuxcrazy> somiaj, by just clicking.
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• 1451[09:02:25] <aging> somiaj's question seems valid
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• 1453[09:02:37] <linuxcrazy> I used Sparky linus live usb. I could open those files.
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• 1455[09:02:48] <linuxcrazy> Sparky is a Debian testing based distro.
• 1456[09:03:14] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: do you know where one of these pdf files on your system is located? could you do ls -l /path/to/one/of/those/files.pdf
• 1457[09:03:29] <linuxcrazy> But, I could not open it in Debian, Ubuntu, Mint or some other distros.
• 1458[09:04:03] <linuxcrazy> somiaj, what is that? above?
• 1459[09:04:38] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: a command to list the file and give me its permissions.
• 1460[09:05:20] <Iota> Good morning, world!
• 1461[09:05:30] <aging> good morning
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• 1463[09:05:43] <aging> 2am here tho, almost time for 404am error
• 1464[09:06:15] <aging> gl linuxcrazy, bbl
• 1465[09:06:29] <linuxcrazy> aging, what?
• 1466[09:06:50] <linuxcrazy> let me provide the link to the files.
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• 1468[09:09:13] <linuxcrazy> replaced-url
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• 1470[09:09:32] <linuxcrazy> replaced-url
• 1471[09:09:48] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: I don't want the pdf, I want the output of the command I pasted to you.
• 1472[09:10:01] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: but those pdfs open just fine in my browser here
• 1473[09:10:26] <linuxcrazy> strangely, I could open those file on Sparky Linux without any password.
• 1474[09:10:49] <linuxcrazy> I think, I moved those files to an external hard drive.
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• 1477[09:11:07] <somiaj> you should give the output asked for, it helps get better support.
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• 1480[09:11:41] <linuxcrazy> I had to delete the partition for installing Debian today morning.
• 1481[09:12:22] <linuxcrazy> Tried with Mint yesterday. It asked for password there too.
• 1482[09:12:42] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: you are now repeating yourself. Why not give the output I asked for?
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• 1484[09:12:47] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: ls -l /path/to/file.pdf
• 1485[09:12:48] <linuxcrazy> Just download those files from that link onto your hdd. And try to open that.
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• 1487[09:13:05] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: they open just fine here, why not give the output I asked for 20 mins ago?
• 1488[09:13:28] <linuxcrazy> I am not carrying that HDD now.
• 1489[09:13:37] <linuxcrazy> can I come back later?
• 1490[09:14:00] <linuxcrazy> I partitioned the hdd on my laptop today.
• 1491[09:14:18] <somiaj> of course, but if you have a problem you want help with, please be in a position to actually work with those giving help. Otherwise people will be less likely to want to help you, since the last 20 mins have gotten us nowhere
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• 1495[09:14:41] <linuxcrazy> ok.
• 1496[09:15:01] <linuxcrazy> I don't have access to those files now.
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• 1498[09:15:45] <linuxcrazy> can you just open those file save offline and try to open from a pdf reader?
• 1499[09:16:04] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: that is not the problem. The problem sounds like it is a permssion issue, but yet you cannot check it.
• 1500[09:16:22] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: download that file onto your drive? Does it open? Does it open from the link you pasted in the browser?
• 1501[09:16:28] <linuxcrazy> what is that permission issue?
• 1502[09:16:59] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: well since you can't give me the output I asked for it is pointless. Anyways I'm very clsoe to done tring to help since you don't seem to want to actually do anything to debug the issue.
• 1503[09:17:23] <somiaj> anyways, download one of those pdf files, then try to open it. What happens?
• 1504[09:17:30] <linuxcrazy> ok. I found a workaround. I'll just print them in pdf and I can open them now.
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• 1507[09:17:49] <linuxcrazy> anyway, thanks a lot.
• 1508[09:17:54] <bardkorren> A quick gparted question: I'm about to shrink and move an ext4 partition using gparted. I have never had any problems with that before, but I wanted to check if anyone here in the channel had bad luck with those operations in gparted?
• 1509[09:18:44] <somiaj> bardkorren: the partition wasn't mounted during this was it?
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• 1512[09:19:46] <linuxcrazy> do we have a Software Centre for Debian like Ubuntu or Mint have?
• 1513[09:19:50] <somiaj> bardkorren: anyways, the operations work in many situations, but the standard advise is backup your data.
• 1514[09:19:50] <bardkorren> somiaj: No, not mounted
• 1515[09:19:53] <linuxcrazy> that is GUI based/
• 1516[09:19:59] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: that question was already answered a while ago.
• 1517[09:20:19] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: we told you about synamptic, but suggested it is worth learning how to use apt/aptitude instead.
• 1518[09:20:21] <bardkorren> somiaj: Yeah, I know. And I would if I had easy access to another disk that I could do the backup on. Which I don't... :-/
• 1519[09:20:41] <linuxcrazy> and if there is an upgrade or update available, is there anything that promot
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• 1521[09:20:49] <linuxcrazy> prompts the user?
• 1522[09:20:59] <linuxcrazy> or we have to do it manually?
• 1523[09:21:05] <bardkorren> linuxcrazy: update-notifier?
• 1524[09:21:10] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: not in lxde, but in gnome there is. There is also unattended-upgrades
• 1525[09:21:12] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1526[09:21:16] <somiaj> bardkorren: I think it has been renamed in jessie.
• 1527[09:21:42] <linuxcrazy> any package that I can install for unattended upgrades?
• 1528[09:21:43] <bardkorren> somiaj: Yeah, it's a transitional package now also. Points to Gnome Package-kit, or something like that.
• 1529[09:21:53] <linuxcrazy> I like the stability of debian a lot.
• 1530[09:21:54] <somiaj> bardkorren: I haven't used it much, and many people seem to be sucessful, but that doesn't guarntee that you will be. Are you prepared if it breaks?
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• 1533[09:22:19] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: maybe install the package I told you to. apt-get install unattended-upgrades
• 1534[09:22:33] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1535[09:22:34] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: or install the notifier package if you want a notifier in your systray
• 1536[09:22:50] <somiaj> you may have to configure it, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades afterwards
• 1537[09:22:54] <bardkorren> somiaj: Well, sort of. Mostly no. But if it breaks I suppose I'll go out and by an enclosure and pop the disk into and start salvaging files using another computer.
• 1538[09:22:55] <linuxcrazy> what is that notifier package?
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• 1540[09:23:18] <linuxcrazy> its name?
• 1541[09:23:28] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: "update-notifier" will work as bardkorren already told you.
• 1542[09:24:04] <somiaj> bardkorren: well it most likely will work in many situations, but I don't know what the risk is, and it may depend on your setup and data.
• 1543[09:24:18] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1544[09:24:26] <somiaj> bardkorren: replaced-url
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• 1546[09:24:52] <linuxcrazy> I just want to set up my system once and get on with my work.
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• 1548[09:25:04] <somiaj> bardkorren: but it can break, so you have to decide what risk or what to do if it does break. backups are the easiest.
• 1549[09:25:04] <bardkorren> somiaj: Well, I'll give it a shot then. I was mostly wondering if there was some general "don't trust gparted" thing that I was unaware of. Seems not. :)
• 1550[09:25:06] <linuxcrazy> Don't want to tinker with it frequently.
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• 1552[09:25:48] <linuxcrazy> Neither I expect any breakages of such inconveniences. That's why I chose Debian stable.
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• 1554[09:26:17] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: yea once you get it setup, since debian is a frozen system you won't have to change much. But be willing to try to learn, it goes a long ways when getting support.
• 1555[09:26:21] <bardkorren> somiaj: Thanks for the link, I hadn
• 1556[09:26:33] <bardkorren> 't found that page. Seems promising. Thanks again.
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• 1558[09:26:57] <somiaj> bardkorren: again always be ready if it breaks and you value your data. Without backups you are living on the edge.
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• 1560[09:27:10] <linuxcrazy> yes. I'm interested in learning Debian. More than that I have to get the work done using Debian.
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• 1563[09:27:43] <linuxcrazy> As I said earlier, I needed an OS for home and office use.
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• 1565[09:28:24] <bardkorren> somiaj: Yeah, I know. But how do people do their backups? It's a mystery to me. I know I should, but life always interferes. I suppose I should go for some cloud solution, like Amazon Glacier or something like that so it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. What's your solution?
• 1566[09:28:45] <somiaj> bardkorren: I use rsync, have backups on my home machine, my office machine and external usb drives.
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• 1568[09:28:57] <somiaj> at least of any data I value, I dont' backup my os, i just reinstall sicne debian is availble online
• 1569[09:29:10] <linuxcrazy> can I do updates/upgrades through Synaptic?
• 1570[09:29:21] <linuxcrazy> Synaptic Package Manager.
• 1571[09:29:23] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: sure, but I do 'apt update' then 'apt upgrade'
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• 1573[09:29:30] <bardkorren> linuxcrazy: Debian Stable is great. Until it goes completely unstable and things really start going weird on you, as it did for me. After longer than I'd admit I figured out it was a failed disk. No OS can be stable in that situation. :)
• 1574[09:29:33] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: but yes, you can configure things though synaptic.
• 1575[09:29:33] <linuxcrazy> ok.
• 1576[09:30:05] <somiaj> bardkorren: debian stable doens't change, so if things start happening randomly, usually hardware.
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• 1578[09:30:21] <bardkorren> somiaj: So you basically just rsync your stuff around between your different computers?
• 1579[09:30:35] <linuxcrazy> It's not just I who will be using the computer. Others also will be using.
• 1580[09:30:47] <somiaj> bardkorren: yup, it is nice because it only coppies the files that have changed and I use the -backup option just in case
• 1581[09:30:49] <linuxcrazy> They are not so familiary with Linux.
• 1582[09:31:05] <somiaj> bardkorren: I rsync before I head to the office and once I get home to keep my home and office computers synced.
• 1583[09:31:14] <somiaj> bardkorren: personal data that I don't want at the office I just use external drives for.
• 1584[09:31:18] <linuxcrazy> That's why I need as many GUI based applications as possible.
• 1585[09:31:29] <bardkorren> somiaj: Yeah, but I kind of suspected a bad update. Or worst-case: malware. To make things worse, two binaries that stopped working: sudo and dhclient. Good times.
• 1586[09:31:43] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: if you are going to be the system admin, your other users dont' really need to install/remove software.
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• 1588[09:32:01] <linuxcrazy> ok.
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• 1594[09:33:03] <bardkorren> somiaj: Understood. Well, whatever the solution it's important for me that it's automatic otherwise it won't happen. I know myself well enough. :-) Have you considered pushing your backups to the cloud?
• 1595[09:33:54] <somiaj> I use scripts, I just don't run them in cron
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• 1598[09:34:20] <somiaj> anyways, I don't really need my data in the cloud, so I'm not intersted in such a backup means.
• 1599[09:34:21] <bardkorren> somiaj: So you manually start your scripts?
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• 1602[09:34:32] <somiaj> bardkorren: yea, because I sync my mcahines when I awnt to do work.
• 1603[09:34:39] <bardkorren> Understood.
• 1604[09:34:52] <bardkorren> somiaj: So you haven't tried replaced-url
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• 1606[09:37:10] <linuxcrazy> why don't people at Debian create a GUI base software centre. Could be useful for beginners.
• 1607[09:38:20] <bardkorren> linuxcrazy: Perhaps you'd prefer Ubuntu?
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• 1610[09:38:26] <pogs> maybe they dont want this type of beginner
• 1611[09:38:27] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: synamptic isn't good enough for you. It is a gui program for isntalling/removing softwaer.
• 1612[09:38:52] <bardkorren> Ubuntu was my starting point with Linux. Can't stand it now, though.
• 1613[09:38:53] <somiaj> but apt/aptitude are actually quite nice and you should learn to use them.
• 1614[09:39:37] <linuxcrazy> I don't like Unity.
• 1615[09:40:08] <pogs> look at lubuntu
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• 1619[09:40:30] <linuxcrazy> ok. Will try to get familiar with Synaptic.
• 1620[09:40:59] <pogs> if you stay with debian have a look at packagesearch
• 1621[09:41:22] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1622[09:41:28] <pogs> its "related" search is very nice
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• 1625[09:42:32] <linuxcrazy> If I upgrade the packages, are they going to be upgraded to the latest versions?
• 1626[09:42:54] <pogs> would it make sense to upgrade to an older version?
• 1627[09:42:55] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: no, debian doesn't work that way. Debian is a frozen system. upgrades are only security fixes (and some grave bug fixes)
• 1628[09:43:05] <somiaj> so you won't have the latest version.
• 1629[09:43:17] <Aldaron> Aaaaaargh sorry, I've got to complain somewhere. Why is Debian utterly incapable of simultaneously believing I want to install in English, AND set up the machine for a finnish keyboard and locale settings?
• 1630[09:43:19] <bardkorren> I remember when I started using Synaptic. Like a kid in a candy store, with everything free. It was a truly amazing experience! :)
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• 1632[09:43:34] <linuxcrazy> ok. updates of the packages like Libre Office.
• 1633[09:43:45] <Aldaron> Also the translation to finnish is also, of course, both incomplete and bad
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• 1636[09:44:36] <pogs> Aldaron: join the translators team
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• 1638[09:46:08] <somiaj> Aldaron: why not just change the locales after the install. It sounds like you are wanting a feature in the installer that most wouldn't use.
• 1639[09:46:17] <bardkorren> somiaj: I suspect this link is of no use to you, but as it relates to what we discussed: replaced-url
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• 1646[09:47:56] <Aldaron> pogs: that won't solve my problem of being force-fed a language I do not want to use
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• 1648[09:48:06] <Aldaron> somiaj: yeah I will, after I suffer through the installation
• 1649[09:48:10] <linuxcrazy> guys, how much of Ubuntu is Debian?
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• 1652[09:48:45] <bardkorren> Aldaron: I wish I had your problem instead.
• 1653[09:48:52] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: ubuntu core is very different from debian (along with policy). But then ubuntu has a univerise which is mostly just debian packages with a little work to make them work in ubuntu.
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• 1655[09:50:07] <linuxcrazy> I saw today morning a youtube video on Debian. It was called something like - why the hell should we care about debian?
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• 1657[09:50:10] <Aldaron> somiaj: actually I think many people in Finland prefer their operating systems and programs in english. Everyone under 50 knows english, computers were english-only for a long time after their introduction, and translations are still often bad even for commercial software. And everyone knows all the jargon in english, and most terms become weird to people in translation
• 1658[09:50:11] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: so they share software, but the core/policy is very different.
• 1659[09:50:20] <Aldaron> bardkorren: heh :)
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• 1661[09:50:40] <linuxcrazy> there, he said about 74 percent of Ubuntu packages are from Debian.
• 1662[09:50:56] <somiaj> Aldaron: yea, translations just take time espically with the amount of software, and part of that time is someone willing and wanting to do them.
• 1663[09:51:03] <Aldaron> So I guess one solution would be to just allow english-preferring people to use the finnish locale
• 1664[09:51:14] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: sure, but it is the core that matters more than the packages when it comes to what the os is.
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• 1667[09:51:50] <linuxcrazy> somiaj, what do you mean by "Core"?
• 1668[09:52:04] <Aldaron> somiaj: yeah - and not only does translating take time, it's also the maintenance of translations and translating new software. I have the feeling that the status of translation is not improving in the last 5 - 10 years, probably because old translations are deprecated as fast as new ones are made
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• 1672[09:52:52] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: the base packages/software for the os.
• 1673[09:53:11] <linuxcrazy> ok.
• 1674[09:53:47] <somiaj> ubuntu's core is drastically different from debian, and so is its policy. But sure they have the same webrowser, same file managers, same email readers, (but this isn't core)
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• 1676[09:55:11] <linuxcrazy> which is better? Debian's or Ubuntu's?
• 1677[09:55:24] <jelly> better for what?
• 1678[09:55:27] <linuxcrazy> from security perspective?
• 1679[09:55:42] <jelly> they're comparable
• 1680[09:55:46] <Aldaron> From general usability and stability perspective, I prefer Debian
• 1681[09:56:00] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1682[09:56:04] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: there is a lot of personal choice in which is 'better'.
• 1683[09:56:11] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1684[09:56:21] <Aldaron> I still haven't had a Ubuntu system that would not have become massively painful in the first few days. You could say that's because I want to install lots of weird stuff.
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• 1686[09:57:05] <Aldaron> But Debian's a lot more robust in the package management I find
• 1687[09:57:12] <Aldaron> (But I'm still pining for Slackware..)
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• 1690[09:58:30] <linuxcrazy> If I chose update, will the Libre office be updated to the latest available version?
• 1691[09:59:40] <bardkorren> linuxcrazy: Assuming you have it installed - yes.
• 1692[09:59:41] <linuxcrazy> It might look funny to you guys. But, I'm totally new to Linux.
• 1693[09:59:47] <linuxcrazy> ok.
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• 1695[09:59:59] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: As I said previouslly, debian stable is a frozen system (this is part of what makes it so stable) so no, debian stable doesn't provide 'latest version' of any software.
• 1696[10:00:40] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: if you use jessie-backports you can get a newer version of libreoffice, unsure if it is 'latest', but this does get updated from tiem to time. Note jessie-backport packages are not nearly as tested as debian stable packages (and they don't have security supporT).
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• 1698[10:00:52] <bardkorren> linuxcrazy: It does look funny. But don't let that stop you, we might be smiling, but mostly because we remember how it was when we first started on the Linux path. :)
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• 1700[10:01:25] <somiaj> also note only some software is provided with newer versions in jessie-backports.
• 1701[10:01:40] <linuxcrazy> ok. What about Ubuntu? Does it make available the latest packages?
• 1702[10:01:49] <bardkorren> somiaj: Well, she will get the latest version of Libre Office - that is on the repo. (Which is what I answered, should have clarified that.)
• 1703[10:02:09] <Aldaron> If you really want to be running the latest version of LibreOffice (or any other program), on all distributions you're better off just downloading the program yourself from the maker's site. LibreOffice provides .deb packages.
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• 1705[10:02:27] <linuxcrazy> ok
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• 1707[10:03:08] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: ask #ubuntu about what they do. Ubuntu updates more often than debian so usually newer software is avilable there, but in some cases debian will have newer software (Depends on the software).
• 1708[10:03:13] <bardkorren> linuxcrazy: In many cases you're a lot better off just using what's in your repo, though. Even if you will be using software that's a bit older. You know, stability, etc
• 1709[10:03:46] <Aldaron> yea - generally I'd expect Ubuntu to have newer versions of stuff. But then installing a .deb yourself is more fun with Debian
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• 1711[10:04:22] <somiaj> be careful with .debs you download, many are not made for debian stable. Using software from debian is the best way to keep your system stable.
• 1712[10:04:38] <linuxcrazy> on another channel I was advised against installing any packages other than from the Software Centres
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• 1714[10:05:04] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: just have to make sure the .deb was built for the os you are using. just being a .deb isn't enough.
• 1715[10:05:21] <bardkorren> Aldaron: I really dislike installing debs. I am truly, deeply in love with the ability to just use apt-get update && apt-det upgrade. (But I still do install debs from time to time, when there's no repo available. Annoying.)
• 1716[10:05:22] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1717[10:05:23] <somiaj> some third party do make .debs that work in debian jessie.
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• 1724[10:07:07] <Aldaron> bardkorren: generally agreed - apt-get is nice for most stuff. But for the occasional program that isn't in the repo, I just prefer to install a .deb, instead of Ubuntu-style modifications to your server lists and certificates and then watching everything implode when you run apt-get
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• 1726[10:08:09] <bardkorren> Aldaron: apt-get GOOD, implode BAD
• 1727[10:08:18] <bardkorren> Just a summary.
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• 1729[10:08:38] <Aldaron> bardkorren: apt-get *results in* implode, far too often, at least on Ubuntu.
• 1730[10:08:55] <Aldaron> I haven't had that happen on Debian
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• 1732[10:10:04] <bardkorren> Aldaron: Yes, yes, some minor nuances were lost in the summary. :-)
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• 1734[10:10:58] <Aldaron> bardkorren: okay :)
• 1735[10:11:08] <Aldaron> then I can agree
• 1736[10:11:58] <bardkorren> A Swede and a Fin in agreement? This will be a good year.
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• 1738[10:12:40] <Aldaron> ^_^! Let's hope so
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• 1762[10:20:25] <Iridos> linuxcrazy, not installing any .deb but the ones that come from the repo is still a good suggestion… there's a difference between making a .deb-package out of a software and one that doesn't cause problems
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• 1765[10:21:20] <linuxcrazy> ok. I can install any package available on Synaptic Package Manage. Can I?
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• 1767[10:21:49] <tdn> I am pretty sure that the recent security update to python-crypto broke either duplicity or python-paramiko. Should I report this as a bug? Or should I write on the mailing lists about this or something else?
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• 1770[10:22:13] <somiaj> tdn: yes, report regression bugs.
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• 1773[10:22:21] <somiaj> tdn: make sure one hasn't been reported already.
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• 1777[10:23:50] <tdn> somiaj, how/where do I check?
• 1778[10:24:00] <somiaj> !bts
• 1779[10:24:00] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 1780[10:24:20] <linuxcrazy> can somebody suggest a few more frequently used packages for a linux beginner?
• 1781[10:24:59] <linuxcrazy> that are useful for home and office use.
• 1782[10:25:20] <babilen> linuxcrazy: Some conflict with each other, but it's safe to install those packages, yes
• 1783[10:25:39] <tdn> somiaj, so how do I report this as a regression bug? Shoud the bug be reported to python-crypto or python-paramiko package?
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• 1785[10:26:17] <babilen> linuxcrazy: You might want to read replaced-url
• 1786[10:26:18] <somiaj> tdn: unsure which package is best to report it against.
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• 1788[10:28:15] <linuxcrazy> I'll be using Synaptic entirely for package installation and updating/upgrading?
• 1789[10:28:23] <linuxcrazy> Is that safe?
• 1790[10:28:37] <somiaj> the packge woudlnt' be provided by debian if it wasn't.
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• 1795[10:31:04] <tdn> somiaj, python-crypto has the following maintainer: Maintainer: Sebastian Ramacher <sramacher@debian.org>
• 1796[10:31:19] <tdn> somiaj, so should I report the bug to: sramacher@bugs.debian.org ?
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• 1799[10:31:57] <somiaj> !reportbug
• 1800[10:31:58] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
• 1801[10:32:04] <somiaj> tdn: read the info at bugs.debian.org
• 1802[10:32:12] <somiaj> you report to the bts, you don't repor tthem to matainers
• 1803[10:32:20] <somiaj> (matainers get told about the bug report)
• 1804[10:32:51] <linuxcrazy> how to enable firewall?
• 1805[10:33:01] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: you shouldn't need one.
• 1806[10:33:13] <linuxcrazy> why?
• 1807[10:33:21] <somiaj> linuxcrazy: by default debian won't be running services on outside ports unless you install them, and if you install a service it is assumed you want to run it.
• 1808[10:34:08] <linuxcrazy> but, in Ubuntu and Mint there is an option to enable or disable firewall.
• 1809[10:34:12] <tdn> linuxcrazy, you can read about how to set up a firewall here: replaced-url
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• 1811[10:34:35] <tdn> linuxcrazy, also, I agre that it can be a good idea to configure a firewall, even after you have minimized the number of services running.
• 1812[10:34:53] <linuxcrazy> ok
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• 1819[10:40:18] <bardkorren> linuxcrazy: Don't worry about the firewall. I haven't run one on my linux systems for ten years or so, never had a problem. (Yeah, that's a huge difference from Windows, for instance.)
• 1820[10:40:45] <linuxcrazy> ok
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• 1848[10:52:19] <spaceman> hey folks. my friend says debian is hard to configure. i recently started using debian and so far i don't find it very hard at all. anyone know what he might have been talking about?
• 1849[10:53:14] <Iridos> dpkg, gnumeric
• 1850[10:53:14] <dpkg> Gnumeric is a spreadsheet application, part of the <GNOME> project. It has support for many file formats, including Microsoft Excel (.xls, .xlsx), OpenOffice.org XML and StarOffice (.ods, .sdx). User FAQ: replaced-url
• 1851[10:53:34] <Iridos> meh. :(
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• 1853[10:53:59] <spaceman> debian is sweet and stable. i likes it.
• 1854[10:54:06] <spaceman> good ol apt
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• 1856[10:54:11] <Iridos> spaceman, ask him, not us???
• 1857[10:54:37] <spaceman> yea no doubt.
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• 1859[10:55:00] <spaceman> Iridos, what DE do u use?
• 1860[10:55:13] <linuxcrazy> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade does this work in debian also? is it same in debian also?
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• 1862[10:55:35] <somiaj> spaceman: debian due to its long history has some outdated info.
• 1863[10:55:37] <Iridos> xfce… or often no DE at all
• 1864[10:56:06] <spaceman> that's cool. im using i3 and mate.
• 1865[10:56:06] <Iridos> linuxcrazy, if you have installed and configured sudo, then yes
• 1866[10:56:26] <linuxcrazy> ok. What exactly is sudo?
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• 1868[10:56:49] <Iridos> dpkg, sudo
• 1869[10:56:50] <dpkg> [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. replaced-url
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• 1871[10:56:57] <aging> superuser do
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• 1875[10:57:47] <linuxcrazy> ok. will go through those links.
• 1876[10:58:08] <aging> or man sudo =)
• 1877[10:58:25] <spaceman> i've never used visudo, always done it manually.
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• 1880[10:58:44] <aging> nvr even knew about visudo
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• 1886[11:02:55] <spaceman> dpkg, dpkg-reconfigure
• 1887[11:02:55] <dpkg> i guess dpkg-reconfigure is a tool used to reconfigure packages
• 1888[11:03:27] <linuxcrazy> I just installed Wine. Not able to find it in Menu.
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• 1890[11:03:45] <linuxcrazy> I typed Wine in Synaptic and installed that.
• 1891[11:04:10] <aging> try wine in terminal, i dunno if everything gets added to menu
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• 1894[11:04:39] <spaceman> Alt + F
• 1895[11:04:39] <aging> also look through *every* menu, debian, system tools, etc.
• 1896[11:04:41] <spaceman> Alt + F2
• 1897[11:04:54] <spaceman> and then type wine
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• 1901[11:07:27] <linuxcrazy> ok
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• 1910[11:11:21] <aging> is 'xrandr' necessary for dual monitors with LXDE?
• 1911[11:11:56] <aging> or 'arandr'
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• 1915[11:13:55] <Iridos> xrandr is the command-line tool… it's usually easier to use one of the graphical ones … and they somehow save stuff
• 1916[11:14:29] <somiaj> aging: RandR is the modern multi monintor configuration in xorg. So you will need soemthing that configures it, unless you want ot use the depricated xinemera
• 1917[11:14:56] <linuxcrazy> guys, what's your opinion about debian based distros like Sparky linux, MX Linux and Antix?
• 1918[11:15:01] <spaceman> dpkg, xrandr
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• 1920[11:15:01] <dpkg> xrandr is, like, a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. replaced-url
• 1921[11:15:19] <spaceman> dpkg, randr
• 1922[11:15:19] <dpkg> The X Resize, Rotate and Reflect Extension (RandR) allows the server to inform clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. replaced-url
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• 1928[11:17:56] <Iridos> aging, you may have to create an xorg.conf file, because you need a virtual desktop that is big enough to have both screens placed on them
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• 1931[11:18:28] <aging> linuxcrazy why use debian based when u can use debian?
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• 1933[11:19:10] * rdococ uses debian yay
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• 1936[11:19:39] <linuxcrazy> that's true.
• 1937[11:19:51] <Iridos> I shouldn't call them screens, as xrandr uses that term for the virtual screen
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• 1939[11:20:11] <Iridos> aging, xrandr e.g. tells me: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3840 x 1200, maximum 8192 x 8192
• 1940[11:20:34] <Iridos> (so you're probably good… that is, if your monitors aren't in sum broader than 8192 pixel)
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• 1942[11:20:56] <linuxcrazy> what is the most lightweight and most secure web browser available?
• 1943[11:21:01] <aging> 2nd screen is clone right now
• 1944[11:21:31] <linuxcrazy> I feel, web browser consumes a lot of processing capacity.
• 1945[11:22:10] <aging> linuxcrazy w3m
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• 1948[11:22:48] <linuxcrazy> ok
• 1949[11:22:55] <aging> that was kind of a joke
• 1950[11:23:05] <linuxcrazy> what?
• 1951[11:23:16] <aging> it's a text based browser u use in the terminal
• 1952[11:23:38] * rdococ is thinking about trying out elinks
• 1953[11:23:45] <aging> heh
• 1954[11:23:47] <spaceman> same as elinks?
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• 1956[11:23:54] <rdococ> ehe
• 1957[11:23:55] <aging> i use firefox, it's really up to you linuxcrazy
• 1958[11:24:02] <aging> google some comparisons
• 1959[11:24:23] <rdococ> chrome consumes too much RAM, internet explorer shouldn't even be considered, firefox it is
• 1960[11:24:41] <linuxcrazy> opera browser?
• 1961[11:24:46] * spaceman enjoys killing ram
• 1962[11:24:51] <spaceman> opera is nice ya
• 1963[11:24:54] <rdococ> I have little to no experience with opera.
• 1964[11:25:15] * ransur0t w3m usage tip: reading ebooks in terminal :)
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• 1966[11:25:30] <linuxcrazy> lol.
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• 1968[11:26:30] <linuxcrazy> chromium?
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• 2061[12:13:03] <helga_> hello! how can i enable the boot log? i have installed it (bootlogd) and put BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=YES in /etc/default/bootlogd, i am new!
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• 2067[12:15:49] <n4dir> does bootlogd still work with systemd? Aren't there other means to access such info?
• 2068[12:15:53] <skell> Hello I have a small server online (atom 2800) I want to setup a video streaming server on it, do you know any light video streamer server?
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• 2073[12:16:43] <helga_> i dont know!! ive installed debian since yesterday and got a large blackscreen while booting,... so i would know whats the problem do you have any other suggestions?
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• 2076[12:17:50] <petn-randall> helga_: Can you switch to a virtual terminal by pressing ctrl + alt + F2?
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• 2078[12:18:02] <n4dir> you got a black screen during boot, but the boot finishes until you get a login screen? Or does it fail to boot at all?
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• 2080[12:18:54] <helga_> i see initalize ramdisk somithing like that then i got a blinking underscore for 30 seconds! then i see Loading ... and somthing other stuff
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• 2082[12:20:13] <helga_> petn-randall, yes that works!
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• 2085[12:21:18] <petn-randall> helga_: Ah, then it's a problem with the X11 server. What kind of hardware is this? You might need updated kernel + X11 video drivers.
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• 2093[12:23:28] <helga_> i dont know what x11 server is .. my hardware is a old laptop from lenovo i dont know which hardware .. sorry!!!
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• 2096[12:23:59] <petn-randall> helga_: Do you know which model it is?
• 2097[12:24:30] <helga_> oh yes! lenovo b50-80 is here
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• 2103[12:27:06] <bardkorren> Installing Jessie, last step (or so): "Is the system clock set to UTC?" -- How should I know the answer to that question?
• 2104[12:28:13] <missmbob> generally hit yes. not a big deal
• 2105[12:28:18] <linuxuser> not able to run sudo apt-get update
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• 2107[12:29:14] <bardkorren> missmbob: Yeah, my thinking also. And if the clock ISN'T set to UTC, can it be changed afterwards? I mean, in BIOS or something like that?
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• 2109[12:29:27] <missmbob> bardkorren: yes
• 2110[12:29:31] <vergg> a
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• 2112[12:29:57] <bardkorren> missmbob: Thanks
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• 2122[12:33:08] <helga_> petn-randall?
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• 2124[12:33:53] <erst> when debian 9 will be ready?
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• 2127[12:34:59] <n4dir> when it is ready. Which should be 6 months + -
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• 2133[12:36:39] <helga_> there is no way to see whats the problem why i get this long timeout?
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• 2136[12:39:04] <spaceman> how do u change i3status to different things?
• 2137[12:39:24] <spaceman> google is not my friend. we have beef
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• 2151[12:45:54] <petn-randall> !wwsr
• 2152[12:45:54] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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• 2154[12:46:07] <petn-randall> gah, they left. :/
• 2155[12:46:30] <petn-randall> helga_: That should work fine then.
• 2156[12:47:39] <helga_> petn-randall, the computer starts fine and i am here with xchat but this long blackscreen is really stupid
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• 2160[12:50:04] <n4dir> helga_: the debian wiki points to a different site when it comes to troubleshooting boot problems with systemd, look if it helps: replaced-url
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• 2163[12:50:48] <n4dir> the few times i used systemd i recall it "hang" during boot under certain conditions, but i can't say anything detailed.
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• 2165[12:51:36] <linuxuser> is Debian stable with lxde faster than Lubuntu?
• 2166[12:51:58] <helga_> okay!
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• 2168[12:52:13] <n4dir> good luck, helga_ ! :-)
• 2169[12:52:40] <n4dir> if in doubt ask again later. someone should know what exactly to do.
• 2170[12:52:58] <helga_> yes i have linux since yesterday!
• 2171[12:54:26] <n4dir> :-)
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• 2174[12:55:39] <helga_> kernel .. command line... yes we can!......
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• 2176[12:56:29] * iflema ouh ouh i fink so...
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• 2178[12:58:02] <jelly> linuxuser: try both, and see
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• 2181[12:59:12] <linuxuser> I just installed a couple of applications on wine. Not able to find then in the menu.
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• 2183[13:01:04] <spaceman> wine is a pain as i recall but i did get EveOnline to work
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• 2185[13:02:16] <linuxuser> it got installed. But, why I am not able to locate in the menu?
• 2186[13:02:29] <n4dir> (01:01:32 PM) dpkg: I wish you would RTFM., n4dir ; lol
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• 2188[13:03:23] <hybridark> hi guys
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• 2190[13:03:33] <hybridark> I'm trying to create a local debian repository
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• 2194[13:03:38] <hybridark> to be accessed via ssh
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• 2199[13:04:06] <hybridark> is it possible to use a port different from 22 on sources.lst?
• 2200[13:04:13] <hybridark> for example deb ssh://apt@172.20.0.88:2222/data/debian jessie main
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• 2204[13:05:16] <n4dir> hybridark: to set a non-default port for ssh you might want to make use of a ~/.ssh/config file. If that works with local debian repositories i wouldn't know
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• 2207[13:05:42] <n4dir> ah, damnit, i misunderstood your question. i sources.list. duh. sorry for the noise
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• 2209[13:06:21] <hybridark> n4dir: I'm using Docker on the server and binding the reprepro port 22 to 2222 on the host, so I can still access the server via ssh and am not taken directly to the docker container
• 2210[13:06:41] <hybridark> so on the client I put the repository address using the 2222 port
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• 2212[13:07:02] <hybridark> this works: ssh apt@172.20.0.88 -p 2222
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• 2216[13:07:27] <hybridark> but when I add the repository url to sources.lst and apt-get update, it keeps trying to connect
• 2217[13:07:38] <hybridark> I'm guessing it doesn't recognize the 2222 port after the address
• 2218[13:07:46] <hybridark> and keeps trying to connect to 22
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• 2224[13:09:21] <hybridark> I'm using public key authentication and already added the client's public key to the server (so the ssh command works)
• 2225[13:09:58] <FinalX> hybridark: you could configure the port in your user's ssh config file
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• 2234[13:14:19] <hybridark> FinalX: Seems to work. Thanks!
• 2235[13:14:47] <FinalX> np :)
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• 2394[13:52:00] <lostintty> hello, recently I started using Debian in text mode, is there a way to display different ttys at the top of my screen? sort of like tabs in a browser?
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• 2399[13:53:34] <petn-randall> lostintty: You can use a multiplexer like GNU screen or tmux.
• 2400[13:53:42] <petn-randall> lostintty: Or byobu
• 2401[13:54:08] <cybrNaut> indeed.. gnu screen is a godsend. You should get familiar w/it even if you use a gui
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• 2417[14:03:08] <deandzines> Anyone out there know about lightdm ?
• 2418[14:03:16] <deandzines> Im getting startup error
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• 2423[14:04:51] <mo1991reg> whats the error?
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• 2427[14:06:04] <deandzines> Result: start-limit-hit
• 2428[14:06:16] <deandzines> Failed to start Light Display Manager
• 2429[14:06:29] <deandzines> lightdm.service
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• 2434[14:07:46] <deandzines> I just finished installing a custom device tree overlay with LCD. It could have something to do with $DISPLAY
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• 2443[14:09:25] <deandzines> I am able to start it after login by typing 'lightdm' into terminal. It only fails during boot...
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• 2451[14:10:32] <deandzines> I am running Debian Jessie on beaglebone with LXQt
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• 2463[14:17:11] <deandzines> Im wondering what start-limit-hit means...
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• 2705[15:20:57] <jolt> poi_: watcha wanna do?
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• 2728[15:34:26] <poi_> jolt: im trying to connect to a tor based irc channel
• 2729[15:35:04] <poi_> jolt: Hi im trying to connect to a tor based IRC channel with socat. the command im using is socat TCP4-LISTEN:4242,fork SOCKS4A:localhost:deepirc23ukiben3.onion:6667,socksport=9050
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• 2732[15:36:39] <jolt> poi_: First I would recommend torsocks to make stuff simpler for you with other apps, but that linme looks ok to me
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• 2751[15:42:05] <poi_> jolt: im trying to connect through a raspberrpy pi
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• 2758[15:43:08] <poi_> jolt: the error im getting for reference is socat[18833] E socks: connect request rejected or failed
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• 2760[15:43:25] <poi_> jolt: I've checked the tor is running on port 9050 aswell
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• 2763[15:43:42] <jolt> poi_: Really hard for me to help here since I don't have a tor connection. Can you connect via the rp itself?
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• 2767[15:44:23] <poi_> jolt: rp?
• 2768[15:44:31] <jolt> poi_: raspberry pi
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• 2770[15:44:47] <jolt> just via localhost 4242, so that stuff works?
• 2771[15:44:52] <HaMsTeRs> Not sure why my hexchat client unable to set opacity
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• 2773[15:44:57] <HaMsTeRs> any idea?
• 2774[15:44:57] <HaMsTeRs> thanks
• 2775[15:45:03] <jolt> does netstat -anp 4242 says that socat is listening?
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• 2777[15:45:39] <poi_> jolt:The rp doesnt allow you to connect with the tor bundle for example so you cant access via the browser - much to my annoyance
• 2778[15:45:42] <jolt> poi_: and do you know that the irc server is up and running on 6667?
• 2779[15:45:50] <jelly> HaMsTeRs: you need to have a compositing window manager in place, possibly
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• 2781[15:46:10] <HaMsTeRs> what's that? I"m sorry, I'm quite new to this
• 2782[15:46:12] <jolt> poi_: sorry, to much stuff I don't know about in that setup. The socat line is correct though.
• 2783[15:46:18] <poi_> jolt: i don't no for sure, but i've tried 3 or four that did work last week
• 2784[15:46:21] <HaMsTeRs> i'm running debian with lxde windows manager
• 2785[15:46:47] <jelly> HaMsTeRs: try installing and starting "compton", see if there's a change
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• 2792[15:49:32] <HaMsTeRs> Thanks jelly
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• 2796[15:51:04] <poi_> jolt: thanks
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• 2800[15:52:13] <thadtheman> I'm getting this error with apt-source: gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found
• 2801[15:52:13] <thadtheman> dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on package.dsc
• 2802[15:52:21] <thadtheman> How can I fix this?
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• 2805[15:53:21] <petn-randall> thadtheman: Did you add any 3rd party repos?
• 2806[15:53:46] <thadtheman> petn-randall: I think some.
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• 2808[15:54:52] <petn-randall> thadtheman: You'll have to follow the instructions on how to retrieve and add the key, which the 3rd party repo has to provide.
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• 2810[15:55:29] <thadtheman> petn-randall: Even when the package is not from a third party repo?
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• 2814[15:56:19] <petn-randall> thadtheman: Which package?
• 2815[15:56:57] <thadtheman> petn-randall: attica automoc awutomake
• 2816[15:57:24] <thadtheman> banshee brassero
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• 2819[15:58:20] <thadtheman> aptitude audacity
• 2820[15:58:27] <thadtheman> Should I continue?
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• 2822[15:58:40] <petn-randall> thadtheman: Can you provide the complete command you're using, and the complete output please? → replaced-url
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• 2829[16:00:21] <thadtheman> petn-randall: No. Those 7 are just the first few. Each command is the the same apt-get source package. There are hundreds. It would be dumb even to try.
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• 2831[16:01:27] <thadtheman> And there isn't a package that I've tried that I haven't gotten the error on.
• 2832[16:01:34] <petn-randall> thadtheman: You're running apt-source with something, right?
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• 2834[16:01:58] <petn-randall> thadtheman: Then provide one example, I don't need an exhaustive list.
• 2835[16:02:02] <elysium> Hey guys, i could need some special help. I am looking for a "very default desktop"-Screenshot for the following very old Distributions: MEPIS, Sabayon, Mandriva, Gentoo, Damn Small Linux. Best would be in high resolution *help* :- ))
• 2836[16:02:27] <petn-randall> elysium: You could probably install all of them in a VM and screenshot that.
• 2837[16:03:09] <dStruct> hey all, I'm getting an error message on boot.. "Warning:Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning." followed by a few associated messages afterwards, from what I've googled someone suggested I should disable lvmetad with use_lvmetad = 0, what does lvmetad do and does that sound like the best course of action or what?
• 2838[16:03:14] <elysium> petn-randall: yes at the end i have to do so, though there is a easier way :')
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• 2845[16:04:30] <petn-randall> dStruct: That message is purely informational. If you have hundreds of devices all managed by LVM, you can speed up many administrative tasks by running lvmetad, which caches that information.
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• 2848[16:04:51] <dStruct> petn-randall: gotcha, so I should probably just disable it then, no harm really?
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• 2853[16:05:22] <dStruct> petn-randall: this is on an encrypted volume so the first thing I see aside from asking for my password for the volume is all that lvmetad non sense
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• 2856[16:06:06] <petn-randall> dStruct: You can disable it in the config, or just ignore the message.
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• 2911[16:25:34] <pogs> when i am playing music videos in chromium on youtube or in vlc it sometimes happens that the volume is very low even tho the sound settings are high
• 2912[16:25:44] <pogs> what could be the problem?
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• 2929[16:29:21] <awal1> pogs: same problem here. sound volume is very low playing ytube videos.
• 2930[16:29:33] <HaMsTeRs> Thanks jelly. After installed compton package, it works
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• 2932[16:29:46] <linuxuser> hello, I have Debian stable lxde installed on my laptop. Can I safely install Xfce DE on it?
• 2933[16:29:50] <HaMsTeRs> but, how do I auto start compton service in background when windows start?
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• 2935[16:30:11] <jelly> linuxuser: yes, it shouldn't make a difference
• 2936[16:30:13] <linuxuser> is it going to create any problems or inconsistencies?
• 2937[16:30:13] <awal1> pogs: but all normal playing local audio/video files, right?
• 2938[16:30:21] <linuxuser> I am a linux beginner.
• 2939[16:30:32] <pogs> awal1: no, with local files aswell
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• 2942[16:30:36] <jelly> linuxuser: it might, but probably won't
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• 2946[16:30:57] <linuxuser> jelly, why "it might"?
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• 2949[16:31:09] <jelly> linuxuser: there are always bugs
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• 2951[16:31:32] <linuxuser> don't want to render the existing installation unusable.
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• 2953[16:31:42] <linuxuser> is it risky?
• 2954[16:31:54] <awal1> pogs: I use 'pasystray' for put the volume above 100, sometimes at 200 for be able to hear :P
• 2955[16:32:00] <linuxuser> if can safely do so, how can I do that?
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• 2958[16:32:43] <linuxuser> I am using Debian stable, btw. I feel it shouldn't create such problems. I may be wrong, though.
• 2959[16:33:18] <pogs> awal1: it makes it hard to listen to entire groups of files
• 2960[16:33:25] <linuxuser> I always liked Xfce DE.
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• 2968[16:34:56] <linuxuser> ok. I'll come back later.
• 2969[16:35:16] <jelly> !install xfce
• 2970[16:35:17] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
• 2971[16:36:04] <linuxuser> how can I do that using Synaptic Package manager?
• 2972[16:36:04] <jelly> linuxuser: you don't need the <install x> bit, just the apt-get command part.
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• 2976[16:36:26] <jelly> Presumably you can also install those two packages from Synaptic.
• 2977[16:36:34] <awal1> linuxuser: for a good experience with xfce install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies
• 2978[16:36:45] <linuxuser> ok.
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• 2980[16:37:00] <linuxuser> only those two?
• 2981[16:37:06] <jelly> that's what it says
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• 2984[16:37:20] <linuxuser> ok.
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• 2986[16:37:26] <linuxuser> will try that.
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• 2990[16:37:50] <awal1> you can install all desktop environments available in debian; they will coexist just fine, since all dependencies are satisfied in stable
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• 2993[16:38:36] <linuxuser> ok. I'll do that by using Synaptic.
• 2994[16:39:27] <linuxuser> xfce 4 and xfce goodies.
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• 3002[16:40:24] <linuxuser> thanks a lot, guys.
• 3003[16:40:32] <awal1> linuxuser: faster usning terminal: login as roo and run apt-get update && apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
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• 3006[16:40:58] <linuxuser> ok
• 3007[16:41:04] <jelly> faster?
• 3008[16:41:12] <awal1> battery plugin for brightness and pulse one for manage sound via pulseaudio server if you use it
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• 3010[16:41:46] <jelly> ,v xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
• 3011[16:41:47] <judd> Package: xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin on amd64 -- sid: 0.2.4-1; stretch: 0.2.4-1
• 3012[16:41:56] <jelly> awal1: they are on jessie.
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• 3016[16:42:47] <awal1> jelly: excuses, pulse plugin not in jessie, right
• 3017[16:42:56] <awal1> ,v xfce4-battery-plugin
• 3018[16:42:57] <judd> Package: xfce4-battery-plugin on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.5-1+b1; jessie: 1.0.5-4; stretch: 1.1.0-1; sid: 1.1.0-1
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• 3022[16:43:39] <awal1> linuxuser: forget pulse plugin
• 3023[16:43:47] <linuxuser> ok
• 3024[16:44:14] <linuxuser> thanks guys.
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• 3031[16:46:18] <jelly> he'll be back
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• 3036[16:48:34] <awal1> pogs: I think it's youtube related, not html5 or browsers, because, for me, volume is only low in youtube.
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• 3039[16:49:39] <pogs> awal1: i need to check my files that i made from cds
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• 3052[16:54:54] <awal1> pogs: actually I have a few youtube videos downloaded via youtube-dl. playing them locally (in my machine) all fine, volume as expected; but playing them in youtube, with firefox or chromium, volume is so low.
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• 3056[16:56:03] <pogs> awal1: its definetly not browser dependant
• 3057[16:56:18] <bobbbb> is my r9 m275x card supports after i installed fglry-driver?
• 3058[16:56:22] <bobbbb> !dpkg fglrx-driver
• 3059[16:56:22] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
• 3060[16:56:25] <HaMsTeRs> hey, is service --status-all command gone?
• 3061[16:56:31] <HaMsTeRs> services command gone?
• 3062[16:56:40] <awal1> pogs: yeah. also playing html5 videos in other websites, all fine
• 3063[16:56:56] <awal1> just youtube affected; so I guess it's youtube issue
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• 3065[16:57:23] <pogs> i dont think so. because i remember very well how i downloaded them. and to that time the sound was fine
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• 3074[16:58:59] <awal1> pogs: this issue with low volume started just since a few weeks, less then one month for me; I'm sure
• 3075[16:59:08] <teraflop> awal1: about the low volume in ff or chromium, it might be related to corruted cookies or cache, so clearing the cache might help, I also recall disabling hw accel helped some people
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• 3078[16:59:17] <pogs> awal1: yes, about that time
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• 3081[17:00:20] <teraflop> but imo using a web browser for youtube these days sounds like a bad idea
• 3082[17:00:38] <pogs> teraflop: can you elaborate?
• 3083[17:00:48] <teraflop> pogs: about the latter?
• 3084[17:00:59] <pogs> teraflop: about why its a bad idea
• 3085[17:01:00] <awal1> teraflops: I have seen that suggestion in mozilla forum yeah, it doesn't help and not applicable for me, since I have a custom ff config, clearing all history after exiting firefox
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• 3090[17:01:52] <teraflop> awal1: then check output volumes while playing yt videos in the browser, use pavucontrol e.g
• 3091[17:01:59] <awal1> pogs: try smtube, works fine for me
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• 3095[17:03:18] <awal1> teraflops: already tried all that, not helping. my solution: when playing youtube videos I use pasystray or pactl for increase the volume above 100%
• 3096[17:03:22] <pogs> smtube seems to be using the data of youtube
• 3097[17:03:22] <teraflop> pogs: the comments are just awful 99% of the time, it's a waste of resources and battery if youre on a laptop/tablet/whatever, hw accel in browsers fails a lot…
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• 3100[17:03:56] <teraflop> smtube, youtube-dl or whatever sounds better to me
• 3101[17:04:34] <jelly> hw accel fails in debian even with a decent video player
• 3102[17:04:38] <pogs> i am not sure that i understand you properly. with smtub and youtube-dl you have the same "problems"
• 3103[17:05:02] <jelly> mpv requires an explicit --hwdec=vaapi on intel gpu
• 3104[17:05:14] <teraflop> awal1: not the general volume, I meant the ff/chromium output one, pulseaudio might remember it for the next time
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• 3107[17:05:59] <teraflop> jelly: well at least it works, I bet vdpau works too (talking of mpv)
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• 3109[17:06:22] <jelly> vdpau works by default if you have all the bits installed
• 3110[17:06:50] <teraflop> jelly: in debian it fails if you have hwdec=auto? (vaapi)
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• 3112[17:06:54] <jelly> (that is, non-free firmware + nouveau, or non-free blob driver)
• 3113[17:07:21] <jelly> teraflop: it doesn't try hwdec at all
• 3114[17:07:26] <teraflop> ugh
• 3115[17:07:26] <iwkse> hi, how to show changes with apt-listchanges? aptitude changelog <package> works for me but the similar command doesn't with apt-listchanges
• 3116[17:07:28] <awal1> pogs: right, volume still low, but not sure entirely since smtube offers several options for play youtube videos and I haven't tried them all. . my smtube suggestion right now isn't for solve volume issue but as alternative for playing youtube stuff via a web browser
• 3117[17:07:30] <jelly> and --hwdec=auto isn't default
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• 3119[17:07:50] <jelly> works on ubuntu 16.04 tho
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• 3121[17:07:56] <GPenguin> awal1: the cd plays fine tho
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• 3126[17:09:21] <GPenguin> i wont mind if my resources are taken from the browser or from another application
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• 3132[17:10:34] <schnabeltasse> hiho
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• 3134[17:11:47] <schnabeltasse> hello vfw
• 3135[17:11:57] <awal1> GPenguin: I just tried to play a youtube video using mpv (terminal: mpv youtube-url) and volume is fine, not low
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• 3137[17:12:17] <awal1> playing same video in ff/chromium= volume low
• 3138[17:12:19] <GPenguin> haha, we soon walk in a circle
• 3139[17:12:27] <awal1> :D
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• 3141[17:12:48] <schnabeltasse> better than walking the line
• 3142[17:12:55] <GPenguin> yup
• 3143[17:13:18] <awal1> well, try if mpv + url effectively works fine
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• 3145[17:13:31] <schnabeltasse> o block youtube, it belongs to the empire of evil
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• 3147[17:13:44] <schnabeltasse> i
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• 3150[17:14:37] <awal1> that will confirm that the problem is youtube, not ff, html5 or debian system
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• 3152[17:15:22] <GPenguin> but how was the same data stored on my hdd able to play fine in vlc and then since 3-4 weeks have a low volume?
• 3153[17:15:23] <teraflop> awal1: hmm i dont think so
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• 3155[17:16:25] <GPenguin> that would mean something in vlc changed which is a problem?
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• 3157[17:17:02] <schnabeltasse> i have inconsistencies in volume management, there are so many layers of volume manipulation, pulse, alsa, vlc, etc., etc., etc, etc....
• 3158[17:17:09] <teraflop> i'd check with pavucntrol the playback tab
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• 3161[17:17:39] <teraflop> also vlc has built-in volume levels too
• 3162[17:17:43] <GPenguin> too bad i threw the packages from before away
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• 3164[17:18:02] <awal1> teraflop: well, I don't really know. but i know that (repeating what i already said): video X played within youtube website via firefox/chromium/smtube= low volume, downloading the same video and playing it locally or using mpv= volume fine
• 3165[17:18:02] <schnabeltasse> hardware knobs...
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• 3169[17:18:40] <teraflop> awal1: but what about the playback tab in pavucontrol, are levels the same for the different outputs?
• 3170[17:19:19] <teraflop> awal1: also, youtube has many versions of same video most of the time, different codecs and containers
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• 3173[17:19:33] <GPenguin> no, no
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• 3176[17:19:37] <GPenguin> thats sidetracking us now
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• 3178[17:19:55] <awal1> teraflop: I haven't checked that; I'll look at it later
• 3179[17:20:09] <unborn> ,v mynotex
• 3180[17:20:10] <judd> No package named 'mynotex' was found in amd64.
• 3181[17:20:36] <teraflop> awal1: not saying that's related but who knows
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• 3183[17:22:40] <unborn> guys is there any way to pm to that b0t which takes part in ,v command? So I dont spam this channel
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• 3185[17:22:59] <unborn> its very useful to checkout packages
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• 3188[17:23:23] <awal1> teraflop: right, nice tip. system volume is at 50% but in pavu I see CubeBUtils for firefox audio stream and volume level is at 21%, increasing it solves the problem
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• 3192[17:23:44] <awal1> so what's the real explanation here?
• 3193[17:24:08] <teraflop> awal1: pulseadio
• 3194[17:24:22] <awal1> teraflop: pulse issue?
• 3195[17:24:39] <jelly> it remembers the volume you set the app last time it ran
• 3196[17:24:56] <jelly> same app gets same volume again
• 3197[17:24:59] <teraflop> awal1: nope, idk of debian does flat-volumes by default
• 3198[17:25:06] <teraflop> if*
• 3199[17:25:07] <schnabeltasse> The worst thing was, when the alarm clock in my smartphone wouldn't wake me up, because it's dedicated hidden volume was set to zero. all other volumes were functional. that was most irritating for several days, but also got me into trouble.
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• 3203[17:25:43] <awal1> ok, teraflop, jelly, I understand.
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• 3205[17:25:54] <awal1> problem solved so; thanks guys
• 3206[17:26:00] <teraflop> np
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• 3208[17:26:06] <awal1> GPenguin: so you know what to do
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• 3210[17:27:23] <awal1> just use pavucontrol while playing a video in ff+youtube and increase volume in pavucontrol playback tab
• 3211[17:27:23] <GPenguin> :D
• 3212[17:28:14] <awal1> also, you can install pasystray and manage that with right clic in pasystray system tray icon
• 3213[17:28:16] <teraflop> GPenguin: for the desired output, not the global volume
• 3214[17:29:17] <GPenguin> i am still like "thats odd". needs a while to settle
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• 3216[17:30:04] <awal1> rightclic in pasystray icon displays a list of the output, sinks and more stuff.
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• 3226[17:35:09] <GPenguin> but how does that influence a group of files where some are too low volume?
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• 3234[17:40:00] <teraflop> GPenguin: that's fine, not that you have a normalize thingy for all your audio/video files
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• 3240[17:42:11] <GPenguin> i dont. that pasystray does nothing. when started from the commandline it only outputs numbers for the current volume
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• 3249[17:46:22] <awal1> GPenguin: you don't get a icon in system tray area for pasystray?
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• 3251[17:46:38] <GPenguin> gnome3 has no systray
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• 3259[17:48:30] <awal1> pasystray frontend client is an icon in system tray, not a common app with a window and so. middle mouse scrolling for inc/dec volume and right clic for manage cards, sinks, outputs and so
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• 3261[17:48:53] <GPenguin> no ircon, nothing to click
• 3262[17:49:12] <awal1> gnome related. not pasystray
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• 3266[17:49:44] <awal1> I dont use gnome, but i dont believe it doesn't provide a tray area
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• 3271[17:50:40] <GPenguin> it has a top bar with icons. its not a systray
• 3272[17:50:46] <awal1> anyway, you dont really need pasystray, with pavucontrol you have access to same features as using paystray
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• 3278[17:53:21] <groghi> sera
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• 3290[17:57:34] <awal1> GPenguin: when I use a window manager with no systray support, I use stalonetray or wmsystemtray
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• 3294[17:58:18] <GPenguin> i like gnome3 the way it is
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• 3301[18:00:58] <n4dir> i too like it the way it is. that is: not installed here :-)
• 3302[18:02:36] <teclo-> Excellent :)
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• 3315[18:07:39] <teraflop> xD
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• 3323[18:12:13] <thadtheman> I'm getting this error with apt-source:gpgv: Signature made Fri 22 Aug 2014 01:18:59 PM CDT using RSA key ID XXXXX
• 3324[18:12:14] <thadtheman> gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found
• 3325[18:12:14] <thadtheman> dpkg-source: warning: failed to verify signature on package.dsc
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• 3328[18:13:57] <thadtheman> XXXXX is sometimes the same but nostly different. This happens on most if not all packages. From research, the problem is these are the public keys of each package maintainer, rather then a debian key. So where do I get the mainters keys?
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• 3332[18:16:13] <jelly> thadtheman: debian-keyring package.
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• 3334[18:16:46] <thadtheman> jelly: That is already installed.
• 3335[18:17:05] <jelly> then point your gnupg to the keying therein
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• 3337[18:17:15] <jelly> I bet the package has a README somewhere
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• 3339[18:17:24] <jelly> keyring*
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• 3342[18:18:02] <thadtheman> jelly: packages not package, that's the problem.
• 3343[18:18:14] <teraflop> thadtheman: tried adding: keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-maintainers.gpg to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf ?
• 3344[18:18:15] <jelly> thadtheman: zless /usr/share/doc/debian-keyring/README.gz
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• 3349[18:19:44] <teraflop> thadtheman: or the /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg one
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• 3405[18:46:31] <mingdao> Does anyone know if this app replaced-url
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• 3415[18:49:35] <GPenguin> the problem with the low volume persists
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• 3418[18:49:52] <bolt> mingdao: don't add random repositories and apt keys to your machine just because someone happened to have a compiled version available of an app you like
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• 3423[18:50:17] <bolt> mingdao: if it's not a well known company you really, really trust, don't add their repos
• 3424[18:50:33] <bolt> mingdao: compile it yourself, rather. and look into checkinstall and similar tools
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• 3426[18:51:04] <n4dir> if at all i would check the Mepis community repos. Doing it yourself is probably still the better option, like stated by bolt
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• 3428[18:51:22] <mingdao> bolt: ok, there is a guide somewhere about making debs iirc, I'll look it up and see if it's worth the effort
• 3429[18:51:46] <n4dir> btw: i sure can't find that package there, so you can avoid looking for yourself (or perhaps you are bored ... )
• 3430[18:51:48] <bolt> mingdao: checkinstall does that for you. and there are probably quite a few tools that do the same
• 3431[18:52:08] <teraflops> GPenguin: if you are talking about 2 different files from different sources have different volume levels that's totally expected
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• 3433[18:52:39] <mingdao> little background...I ran Slackware from 2003-2011 and am used to building from source, making SlackBuild scripts, and using checkinstall
• 3434[18:52:39] <teraflops> GPenguin: unless you normalize all the audio files you have…
• 3435[18:52:42] <GPenguin> no, i test local files that used to play just fine until 3-4 weeks ago
• 3436[18:52:47] <bolt> mingdao: when you add random people's repositories, you often have no guarantee other than the written word of some nickname on the internet that the files you download are nothing more or less than a compiled and packaged version of the source you're looking at
• 3437[18:52:55] <teraflops> GPenguin: then no idea
• 3438[18:52:58] <mingdao> the last 5 years I've been using Gentoo/Funtoo...so I'll want to learn to make debs
• 3439[18:53:28] <mingdao> bolt: understood; I wasn't looking for a random person's repo, but more like the el or whatever or CentOS
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• 3444[18:54:06] <alecov> Hello. Is it possible to install i386 development libs on an amd64 system? I've done "dpkg --add-architecture i386" as per replaced-url
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• 3447[18:54:40] <bolt> alecov: probably. but a chroot might be cleaner
• 3448[18:55:27] <alecov> In particular qt5-default and qt5-default:i386 conflict with each other. A number of others libs also.
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• 3450[18:55:35] <alecov> bolt: So it's a per package issue?
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• 3454[18:57:11] <n4dir> mingdao: replaced-url
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• 3457[18:57:21] <bolt> alecov: as far as i know
• 3458[18:57:24] <leachim6> greetings folks
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• 3462[18:58:42] <mingdao> n4dir: thanks, I've been reading replaced-url
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• 3464[18:59:04] <mingdao> but really no time today, but thanks for the pointers
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• 3466[18:59:34] <n4dir> i think the one you read is a rather in-deep-one. Anyway: good luck.
• 3467[18:59:45] <zuiss1> i really like the idea of KDE Neon.. but wish it was debian and not ubuntu
• 3468[18:59:50] <alecov> bolt: Thanks.
• 3469[18:59:52] <zuiss1> tempted to try it out
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• 3471[18:59:57] <leachim6> You can't get it in debian?
• 3472[19:00:10] <zuiss1> it's a distro..
• 3473[19:00:20] <zuiss1> made by the KDE project
• 3474[19:00:28] <leachim6> oh, I thought it was just their new DE
• 3475[19:00:55] <zuiss1> it's not exactly a distro but rolling release of the DE on top of a stable distro base
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• 3477[19:01:19] <r3> echosystm: how's it going? Just checking back in with you to see if my idea worked on your problem?
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• 3512[19:12:57] <awal1> GPenguin: problem solved for me. just check closely settings in pavucontrol (playback tab and firefox's audio stream: adjust your volume/increase/decrease)
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• 3515[19:13:49] <awal1> while playing a youtube video ^
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• 3563[19:34:49] <awal1> What is the difference between -vc null and -vo null for mplayer (-novideo)?
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• 3566[19:37:23] <inch> Video is not decoded with -vc null
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• 3574[19:42:01] <awal1> inch: I know. what I don't know is what means vc and vo
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• 3576[19:42:21] <inch> video codec, video output
• 3577[19:42:42] <awal1> oh, ok. thats what I tought. thanks
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• 3579[19:43:08] <teraflops> ao
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• 3582[19:44:06] <todd_dsm> anyone know the status of Stretch? looks like it should be in "general freeze". Anyone here using it?
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• 3586[19:45:08] <leachim6> I was under the impression that stretch never went into freeze and it was actually sid that froze
• 3587[19:45:09] <leachim6> am I wrong?
• 3588[19:45:20] <leachim6> I may have that backwards....
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• 3592[19:46:42] <somiaj> leachim6: sid is unstable and never changes. The current testing release (Stretch) is what is stablized and turns into the next stable.
• 3593[19:46:47] <teraflops> leachim6: sid is always sid, never freezes
• 3594[19:46:49] <somiaj> leachim6: once stretch stablizes a new testing will be made.
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• 3596[19:47:02] <leachim6> yeah I realized I had it backwards, my bad.
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• 3601[19:49:06] <todd_dsm> jrtc27: that's what I was looking for, thanks
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• 3631[20:04:17] <teraflops> awal1: mind if I pm you?
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• 3633[20:04:34] <awal1> teraflops: np
• 3634[20:04:39] <teraflops> k
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• 3639[20:05:53] <GPenguin> awal1: i select "all streams" but nothing with chromium shows uü
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• 3641[20:07:15] <GPenguin> i see on a low volume track that plays that the volume is low. i can rise it. okay, but thats not a solution to the actual problem
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• 3690[20:31:08] <GPenguin> i give up for now. thanks for everything so far, awal1 and teraflops :)
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• 3697[20:34:53] <awal1> GPenguin: try with firefox
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• 4142[21:38:25] <John[Lisbeth]> Any officially supported versions of debian available as android apps?
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• 4145[21:39:42] <twobitsprite> John[Lisbeth]: can you hum a few bars?
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• 4147[21:40:07] * John[Lisbeth] do ray me fa so lah tee do
• 4148[21:40:18] <John[Lisbeth]> I only want the debian temrinal I do not really need x
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• 4150[21:40:28] <John[Lisbeth]> something like a debootstrap would do well
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• 4154[21:41:09] <twobitsprite> And you want it to run as an app within android?
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• 4156[21:41:43] <SpeccyMan> clearly he can't as he don't even know his do re mi :P
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• 4159[21:42:10] <Ooze> Hello. I have two bind entries in my /etc/fstab, and only one of them is mounting upon boot
• 4160[21:42:18] <leptone> John[Lisbeth], a terminal emulator won't acccomplish what you are looking for?
• 4161[21:42:22] <Ooze> Is this the correct way to go about this? I have the feeling one is overriding the other
• 4162[21:42:30] <Ooze> I can do a sudo mount -a and they both work, though
• 4163[21:42:36] <John[Lisbeth]> well I want to have a debian filesystem not an android filesystem
• 4164[21:42:43] <twobitsprite> Ooze: what are the entries?
• 4165[21:43:17] <leptone> John[Lisbeth], wouldn't you have to install debian on your phone in place of android then?
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• 4167[21:44:04] <Ooze> twobitsprite: /media/drive1/directory1/directory2/[Current] /media/drive2/whatever1/whatever2/u none defaults,bind 0 0
• 4168[21:44:12] <John[Lisbeth]> something like a chroot would be fine but the only chroots I can find use fake versions of debian on top of busybox using proot
• 4169[21:44:14] <Ooze> Two of those, all the same but one dir
• 4170[21:44:23] <leptone> John[Lisbeth], check this out replaced-url
• 4171[21:44:31] <Ooze> I'm trying to map [Current] to two different locations
• 4172[21:45:04] <n4dir> John[Lisbeth]: replaced-url
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• 4175[21:45:23] <twobitsprite> Ooze: can you pastebin your *actual* fstab entries instead of me trying to untangle what you're abreviating?
• 4176[21:45:30] <Ooze> :)
• 4177[21:45:31] <Ooze> Sure
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• 4181[21:47:39] <twobitsprite> or just quit, that works too....
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• 4194[21:53:27] <n4dir> The original how-to was removed, the sven_ola one, i aussume that is the actual version replaced-url
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• 4196[21:53:42] <pingouin> hello #debian
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• 4199[21:54:03] <harley_> Hello hello I'm back
• 4200[21:54:09] <harley_> whoops
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• 4206[21:55:29] <Ooze> Whoever was asking for my fstab: replaced-url
• 4207[21:55:31] <Ooze> :)
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• 4209[21:56:12] <pingouin> why on earth i would not have an /proc/asound after booting ? I got the sound [i can play anything from mplayer or online video like youtube] running Debian 8.6 with alsa + jack with a custom kernel. Do you have any idea wich option(s) in kernel give this /proc/asound ?
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• 4238[22:06:46] <twobitsprite> Ooze: and you say when you boot up, only one of them gets mounts?
• 4239[22:06:50] <twobitsprite> mounted*
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• 4241[22:07:49] <GPenguin> pingouin: you could compare your kernel config with the maintainer version
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• 4250[22:11:09] <hardyfresh> I'm a little confused about a preseed/late_command that I'm using.
• 4251[22:11:34] <hardyfresh> I'm trying to partition a 2nd disk and my understanding is that without LVM, partman does not allow this
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• 4253[22:12:13] <hardyfresh> and that the current workable solution is to use a preseed/late_command to create the 2nd disk partition(s) via fdisk
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• 4255[22:12:46] <hardyfresh> My issue is that the disk partitions do not appear to be present after everything is done
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• 4258[22:13:11] <hardyfresh> However, the directory that I create in my late_command does exist
• 4259[22:13:17] <hardyfresh> what could I be missing here?
• 4260[22:13:24] <hardyfresh> Here's the late_comamnd that I'm using:
• 4261[22:13:33] <hardyfresh> d-i preseed/late_command string \
• 4262[22:13:33] <hardyfresh> in-target mkdir -p /srv/volumes/var ; \
• 4263[22:13:33] <hardyfresh> in-target echo -e "o\nn\np\n1\n\n\nw" | fdisk /dev/sdb ; \
• 4264[22:13:35] <hardyfresh> in-target mkfs.btrfs /dev/sdb1 ; \
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• 4268[22:14:09] <hardyfresh> sorry, here's the late_command that I'm using: replaced-url
• 4269[22:14:20] <jeffer> hey dudes for some reason my audio stopped working today, just installed debian yesterday and it was working fine. cant seem to find much on google. shouhld i be looking at alsa or pulseaudio, or both? so output devices show up under sound in control panel and this is what i get when doing what worked in the past:
• 4270[22:14:20] <jeffer> replaced-url
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• 4272[22:14:43] <jeffer> no output devices show up in sound**
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• 4280[22:17:14] <jeffer> when i go to alsamixer it lists my headset as a playback device so the computer detects it
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• 4292[22:22:20] <Ooze> twobitsprite: Correct
• 4293[22:22:26] <Ooze> twobitsprite: The second entry
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• 4295[22:22:59] <Ooze> I have to 'sudo mount -a' to get the other one to mount also
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• 4307[22:27:49] <pingouin> GPenguin: nice ! good idea. thanks
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• 4309[22:28:02] <GPenguin> :)
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• 4336[22:45:23] <Ooze> Any ideas?
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• 4402[23:25:47] <somiaj> So I have a service which under a certain cirucumstance bombs my logs filling up /var/log. Any suggestion on a tool that could monintor this and shutdown the service when this happens, so it doens't fill the logs?
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• 4417[23:32:11] <bolt> somiaj: i'd suggest either fixing the service or configuring your rsyslog setup so it logs to its own file, or filter out the spam if you really don't care about it
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• 4420[23:33:05] <somiaj> well I'm looking for easiest action. Yes fixing the service would be best, but the service is not vital, so just shutting it down when this happens would be nice.
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• 4424[23:34:37] <bolt> configure rsyslog, then
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• 4427[23:37:31] <mingdao> I have noticed this message a few times, but none of my internet searches have led to a fix: replaced-url
• 4428[23:37:54] <mingdao> Curious who is this user '_apt' ?
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• 4430[23:38:20] <mingdao> Only hits I did see have user root in similar issue, and no fix other than some guy reinstalling his system a few times.
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