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53[00:20:01] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I'm installing a new
Debian 9 machine and as usual, am having problems getting bonding
working. I don't understand the error it's giving me:
"bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has
slaves" Of course it has slaves! That's the point!
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57[00:21:08] <Pegasus_RPG> I tried commenting out the slaves
line but that doesn't help
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69[00:26:42] <teatime> Pegasus_RPG: Could you please upload
your /etc/network/interfaces (to something like paste.debian.net or
termbin.com)
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82[00:34:51] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime:
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83[00:35:12] <Pegasus_RPG> the "manual" business was
just to test
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86[00:37:43] <teatime> have you rebooted since adding the
configuration?
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87[00:38:08] <teatime> if you don't ifdown before editing
interfaces, ifupdown usually gets in a weird state
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90[00:40:46] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: yes, multiple times since
changing things
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91[00:41:34] <teatime> kk, just making sure we had clean
slate/state.
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92[00:41:36] <Pegasus_RPG> Another weird thing is that I had to
add bonding to /etc/modules
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93[00:41:55] <Pegasus_RPG> (It's not auto-loading)
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96[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> So i keep getting [ 293.878853]
bond0: option mode: unable to set because the bond device has slaves
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97[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> sh: echo: I/O error
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98[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
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99[00:43:04] <Pegasus_RPG> ifup: failed to bring up bond0
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101[00:45:21] <Pegasus_RPG> Web searches just turn up more
people with the same problem and no solutions
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103[00:46:04] <Pegasus_RPG> perhaps I need to do something like
auto enp66s0, iface manual, bond-master bond0 ?
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111[00:48:35] <teatime> you may try putting the enp66s0 and
ens1f1 config after the bond0 config, and temporarily commenting out
the inet6 line
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112[00:49:02] <teatime> although, looks like the former should
already be the case.
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117[00:51:09] <metastable> Pegasus_RPG: You're specifying
slaves incorrectly.
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118[00:52:11] <Pegasus_RPG> What is correct? (I have many other
boxes on Debian 8 configured this way, though they call their
interfaces ethX)
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121[00:52:22] <Pegasus_RPG> metastable: ^
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122[00:52:23] <metastable> Pegasus_RPG: You're using
ifenslave, yes?
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123[00:52:27] <Pegasus_RPG> metastable: yes
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126[00:52:56] <Pegasus_RPG> This is my first Debian 9 box
I'm trying to configure
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127[00:53:01] <metastable>
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128[00:53:25] <metastable> Pegasus_RPG: You no longer need the
'manual' iface stanzas for the bonded interfaces, and the
bond-* syntax was incorrect. That file should serve your needs.
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131[00:54:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Oh, so bond-slaves (and bond-
everything instead of bond_) ?
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132[00:54:46] <metastable> Pretty much.
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139[00:56:11] <Pegasus_RPG> still not working, same error
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140[00:56:14] <Pegasus_RPG> grrr
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141[00:56:29] <metastable> You might want to restart the system.
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142[00:56:38] <metastable> If the interfaces are already
controlled by a bond, things get wonky.
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144[00:57:22] <metastable> slaves vs bond-slaves means that the
enslaved interfaces aren't controlled by ifenslave, and
ifenslave will politely refuse to tamper with them.
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145[00:57:51] * Pegasus_RPG reboots again
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146[00:58:09] <annadane> reboot? what is this, windows?!?
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147[00:58:27] <elektron> must have updated the kernel?
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148[00:59:17] <RoyK> - your mouse moved. windows must be
restarted for the change to take effect
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150[00:59:51] <teatime> it's possible to avoid the reboot,
but then you have to question both your attempt to reset state and
your configuration as possible causes of <immediate failure>
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151[00:59:56] <teatime> if that makes sense.
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152[00:59:59] <metastable> bond slave interfaces get weird when
you try to change the bond configuration while the system's
running.
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154[01:00:15] <mutante> my guess is it's all about
customizing some boot flash screen and getting graphics effects
before a GUI is loaded or somthing like that
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155[01:00:22] <Pegasus_RPG> After reboot, still the same problem
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159[01:00:37] * Pegasus_RPG tries commenting out the option mode
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161[01:01:12] <Pegasus_RPG> Then I just get RTNETLINK answers:
File exists
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162[01:01:27] <Pegasus_RPG> Very helpful, that error message.
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163[01:01:38] * teatime points at #870633
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164[01:01:39] <annadane> i'm kidding, in case it
wasn't obvious
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166[01:01:40] <judd> Bug
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168[01:02:43] <metastable> Huh. How interesting. I use a
four-port LACP LAG on both of my in-home servers. I wonder what
I'm doing that's not triggering the bug.
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169[01:02:51] <teatime> the modprobe.conf workaround makes sense
to me, because it would seem to configure the bonding mode before
the interface has slaves
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170[01:02:56] <teatime> which is what ifenslave is failing at
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173[01:03:51] <metastable> My own configuration is identical to
what I gave Pegasus_RPG.
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174[01:04:06] <metastable> Device names and addresses aside.
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175[01:04:27] <Pegasus_RPG> just for giggles, I'll straight
copy-paste what metastable gave me
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177[01:05:10] <metastable> I can't imagine that having both
'auto bond0' and 'allow-hotplug bond0' would
cause issues.
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183[01:07:19] <teatime> (stupid question) you don't have
any other /etc/network/interfaces.d/* files, eh?
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184[01:08:01] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: no
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185[01:08:27] <Pegasus_RPG> Reloading the module puts this in
the syslog: Could not generate persistent MAC address for bond0: No
such file or directory
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186[01:09:44] <Pegasus_RPG> Interestingly, trying to bring up
bond0 right after reloading the modules does not give that slaves
error. Instead it just shows RTNETLINK answers: Network is down
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187[01:09:44] <Pegasus_RPG> ifup: failed to bring up bond0
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191[01:11:28] <Pegasus_RPG> Syslog looks good though, as the
links on the slaves come up
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192[01:11:30] <teatime> Pegasus_RPG: note that ifup has a -v
option
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193[01:11:40] <teatime> perhaps if you un-mark them as auto,
reboot, and then try ifup -v bond0
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194[01:11:45] <teatime> it will say something helpful
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195[01:12:52] * Pegasus_RPG tries that
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200[01:16:08] <Pegasus_RPG> I just lists what it's doing
with no errors except at the end with the RTNETLINK answers: Network
is down
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202[01:16:26] <teatime> does the configuration it's
claiming to be implementing match your config
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203[01:16:31] <teatime> specifically the bonding mode
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204[01:16:33] <wondiws> Pegasus_RPG, ip link set eth0 up?
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205[01:16:58] <teatime> oh, also, the examples seem to have
'auto eth0' / 'auto eth1'
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206[01:17:09] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: yes, it doesn't
complain about that the first time after module loading.
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207[01:17:13] <teatime> but that is kinda weird / seems like it
shouldn't be necessary
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211[01:17:52] <teatime> Pegasus_RPG: does
/proc/net/bonding/bond0 look correct?
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212[01:17:54] <Pegasus_RPG> Yes, apparently Ethernet interface
naming changed in Stretch. I have another box using bonding that I
upgraded from Wheezy and that has no problems.
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213[01:18:31] <teatime> well, I meant for you to sub in the
appropriate device names
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214[01:18:47] <Pegasus_RPG> wondiws: that brings up that
interface and bond0 shows that it's up but it's not
passing traffic
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215[01:19:24] <Pegasus_RPG> It's possible I've
thoroughly confused my switch though
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216[01:19:38] <wondiws> could anyone of you try the
"fritzing" package?
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217[01:19:47] <wondiws> I'm using sid, and I have poor
experience
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218[01:20:13] <metastable> If the switch stops receiving LACPDUs
from the LAG members, or if the link goes down, the port is treated
as nonjoined for LACP purposes.
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220[01:20:16] <Pegasus_RPG> teatime: ah gotcha
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221[01:20:58] <HotBeefDip> so...I know the very basics of
getting around in Linux and using the command line...looking where
to go next to build my skills...I'm using a fresh install of
the latest stable Debian...would the Debian reference guide's
section on package management be a good/logical next step?
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222[01:22:12] <Pegasus_RPG> HotBeefDip: I'd say so, as
you'll need to use it to install any useful software.
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229[01:24:46] <HotBeefDip> I was gonna try to get deep into
learning the bash shell and scripting, but I figured getting at
least a basic understanding of the distro I'm using would be
useful before I go to deep into CLI stuff...am I wrong?
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233[01:27:03] <teatime> HotBeefDip: I'd recommend about a
50/50 mix of quality debian documentation like the
administrator's handbook, debian reference, and release notes,
and then the other half basic-UNIX stuff, such as
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235[01:28:55] <teatime> HotBeefDip: systemd is probably worth a
deep-dive also.
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237[01:29:10] <HotBeefDip> awesome, thanks for the tips!
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256[01:49:29] <JohnA> what is the general feeling about
wireguard vs other VPMs openpn et al)?
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260[01:50:58] <metastable> Wireguard does say on their website
"WireGuard is not yet complete. You should not rely on this
code."
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311[02:23:05] <aokfire> Hi. Recently was coping some files from
one drive to another using rsync, and a set of errors occured:
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312[02:23:20] <aokfire> the files themselves seem fine. all data
copied, nothing partial. Should I be concerned?
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314[02:24:31] <aokfire> The drive has no reallo sectors, 2 UDMA
errors. EXT4, Debian 4.14.13-1~bpo9+1, rsync 3.1.2. thank you
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317[02:25:46] <JohnA> metastable, looks like openvpn then
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320[02:28:25] <metastable> JohnA: Consider ocserv.
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321[02:29:01] <metastable> OpenVPN is great, I'm not saying
otherwise. ocserv is also good.
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323[02:30:12] <JohnA> need yo run on a openwrt/lede device
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326[02:31:34] <metastable> Then why are you asking in #debian?
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327[02:31:46] <metastable> Also, ocserv is available on OpenWRT,
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328[02:32:18] <JohnA> because debian users have a better grasp
of current software
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329[02:32:39] <abrotman> there's a first for everything ...
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330[02:32:41] <aokfire> ...
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332[02:32:52] <metastable> JohnA: That sounded better in your
head, didn't it.
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333[02:33:04] <metastable> JohnA: Non-Debian questions are
offtopic in #debian. Have a nice day.
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334[02:33:39] <aokfire> should I move my question elsewhere?
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335[02:34:41] <teatime> aokfire: it's a fine question for
here, although perhaps no one online has a good answer for you.
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336[02:34:43] <metastable> aokfire: Yours looks like some kind
of drive controller failure.
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337[02:34:52] <metastable> aokfire: You're actually using
Debian.
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338[02:34:56] <aokfire> yes lol
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339[02:35:10] <aokfire> so it's on the drive itself, not
per the mobo controller nor SATA cable?
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340[02:35:15] <aokfire> just trying to rule things out
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342[02:35:21] <metastable> aokfire: Well, it could be any of
those.
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343[02:35:30] <aokfire> it's only happened once
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344[02:35:40] <aokfire> so far...
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345[02:35:41] <metastable> aokfire: I've seen static
discharge do that.
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347[02:35:52] <aokfire> the case is on carpet but I doubt
that's the cause
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348[02:35:53] <teatime> aokfire: until I resolved it, I would be
rather concerned personally. but it perhaps doesn't look
typical for a drive failure. Double-check the cables connecting it,
and that you're not overloading your PSU. And run the SMART
tests on the drive. back it up if it has valuable data. etc. etc.
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349[02:35:56] <aokfire> but good to know
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351[02:36:10] <teatime> it could also just be a drive firmware
bug, or linux bug
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352[02:36:17] <aokfire> am currently writting backup from backup
to this drive
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353[02:36:21] <aokfire> i think
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354[02:36:23] <aokfire> idk what drive it is
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355[02:36:26] <aokfire> I can't tell
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356[02:36:38] <metastable> aokfire: It could be anything between
the disk and the controller on the board.
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357[02:36:42] <aokfire> ata5.0 = sdd?
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386[03:18:39] <metalbat97> what a command to make xfce as
default environtment like in ubuntu dpkg-reconfigure ....?
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387[03:18:52] <metalbat97> i dont find any result on google
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388[03:19:44] <metalbat97> because my login default envi was
lxde and no option for choosing any environtment installed on my
debian
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389[03:20:43] <mutante> metalbat97: dpkg-reconfigure is
originally from debian, it exists the same as in Ubuntu
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390[03:21:40] <metalbat97> mutante: so the command is?
dpkg-reconfigure xfce?
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392[03:22:14] <mutante> i dont know, i am just responding to
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393[03:22:27] <mutante> assuming you know how it worked there
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395[03:22:44] <mutante> it should be the same
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396[03:22:57] <metalbat97> ok i try it
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397[03:23:44] <aindilis> anyone know the iptables command to
forward connections received on 443 from a specific IP to 8888 and
back, allowing traffic from other hosts through to 443?
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398[03:23:47] <aindilis> this doesn't seem to work:
/sbin/iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s 55.55.55.55/32 --dport
443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8888
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399[03:23:51] <aindilis> /sbin/iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p
tcp -s 192.168.1.100/32 --dport 8888 -j REDIRECT --to-port 443
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400[03:24:34] <mutante> seems mildly evil :)
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404[03:28:02] <abrotman> metalbat97: update-alternatives might
be what you're looking for
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420[03:52:19] <teatime> aokfire: that seems like it should
mostly work afaict; the /32 is redundant, it should be
"--to-ports", although perhaps it accepts --to-port also,
and I would think you only need the first rule, the second one is
unneccessary and pretty broken (if I understand your goal
correctly.)
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421[03:52:37] <teatime> bah; he left. dumb idea anyway, I'd
bet $20 it's an XY issue.
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422[03:52:47] <aokfire> oof
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423[03:52:51] <teatime> aokfire: sorry
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424[03:52:55] <aokfire> i am not the dude you're looking
for lol np
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445[04:07:57] <wr> best debian package as a GUI front end for
qemu?
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446[04:08:46] <annadane> er... i should know this
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447[04:08:57] <teatime> random guess: virt-manager
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449[04:09:05] <annadane> yeah probably
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450[04:09:36] <teatime> dunno if complicated to setup on debian
or not
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454[04:11:16] <annadane> from experience it's not
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456[04:11:18] <annadane> it's quite intuitive
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457[04:11:29] <annadane> and i guess RTFM :P
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574[05:19:50] <awal1> why with wicd I get wifi signal at 90% and
nm around 70% ?
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575[05:20:34] <teatime> probably just calculated/scaled
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576[05:21:05] <awal1> possibly
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579[05:22:45] <awal1> I guess nm is "better" since
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580[05:23:34] <teatime> you can try each, and look at some
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581[05:24:22] <awal1> i think connection is more
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582[05:24:29] <awal1> have to test more
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583[05:25:16] <awal1> I have to reboot modem :P
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681[07:11:16] <mcint> I'm trying to uninstall phpmyadmin,
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682[07:11:18] <mcint>
replaced-url
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683[07:12:59] <RoyK> dpkg --purge the package
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684[07:13:00] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers
down his throat and throws up the package all over royk and
rook2pawn...
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685[07:13:04] <RoyK> should help
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686[07:13:53] * RoyK hands dpkg a pint of sick
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688[07:15:52] <teatime> unless I'm mistaken
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689[07:15:58] <teatime> that won't actually help the
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ofending line or put exit 0 at the top. Note this means that the
script won't clean up its credentials and access to your
databases, and you may have to do that manually.
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764[08:16:28] <toolz> hi guys, what do you think about this
smartctl test, is this drive dying?
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777[08:22:49] <Rembo> hello, how can i update boost library from
1.55 to 1.56 on Debian 8 ?
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778[08:23:11] <RoyK> ,v boost
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779[08:23:12] <judd> No package named 'boost' was
found in amd64.
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780[08:23:26] <RoyK> ,v libboost
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781[08:23:27] <judd> No package named 'libboost' was
found in amd64.
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785[08:24:27] <RoyK> Rembo: usually there are no ways to upgrade
a package to a newer one on stable
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787[08:25:24] <Rembo> RoyK, what shall i do, i need this new
version of 1.56 for my code
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789[08:26:34] <ioc__> ,v libboost-graph1.62.0
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stretch: 1.62.0+dfsg-4; buster: 1.62.0+dfsg-5; sid: 1.62.0+dfsg-5
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801[08:32:34] <RoyK> Rembo: then use a vm for it
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803[08:32:50] <nix64bit> local package i would imagine
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debian distribution and then use on my production server?
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815[08:42:17] <yogg> Hi
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818[08:43:57] <yogg> I have a problem with dd and /dev/random. I
try to get 256 random bytes with "dd if=/dev/random bs=256
count=1", but if /dev/random block (because of entropy) I get
only 6 bytes back.
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820[08:44:54] <Niemi> hi to all. can someone guide me. how to
sumbit a bug for debian testing in varnish package?
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822[08:45:22] <yogg> Should I not always get 256 bytes? Only how
fast I get my data should change not the amount?
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826[08:46:33] <cory_> @yogg is this a part of some larger
program?
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827[08:47:04] <cory_> I mean, I just steer clear of /dev/random
for anything important by default
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831[08:49:27] <alkisg> yogg: why not use /dev/urandom instead
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832[08:49:35] <alkisg> yogg: or even bash'es $RANDOM
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835[08:51:46] <yogg> I found an explanation for the beahaviour.
I wan't some good random bytes so /dev/random would be the
better choice. But I think for my thest /dev/urandom is good enough
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841[08:53:43] <alkisg> random is not very appropriate for
programs, even for cryptography, unless it's about generating
new keys etc, where you can tell the user "ok now hit some keys
on your keyboard because I don't have enough entropy" :)
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849[08:59:26] <mz`> install haveged to produce entropy, yogg
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860[09:01:22] <yogg> I know about haveged, but my goal was to
understand why dd don't give me 256 bytes. A echo "$(head
-c 256 /dev/random | base64 -w 0)" does exactly what I need (it
only takes some time)
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869[09:05:14] <pingfloyd> /dev/random is blocking
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875[09:05:53] <pingfloyd> it may not have 256 bytes of
randomness available in the moment where dd is reading a 256 byte
block. The output probably gets truncated.
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884[09:10:54] <yogg> pingfloyd: I found the explanation on
stackexchange (the link I posted). I thought if /dev/random is
blocking then dd should also block, but it does not (it simply reads
what is there and then stops the read)
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885[09:11:09] <yogg> pingfloyd: so dd is simply the wrong tool
for this job
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899[09:18:55] <alkisg> yogg: man dd, it has a nonblock parameter
if you want it, but /dev/random is the wrong tool here, not dd
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905[09:23:11] <valdez> if dd reads 256 bytes and the entropy is
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906[09:23:17] <valdez> so nothing gets truncated or whatnot
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if=/dev/random bs=256 count=1 iflag=fullblock | base64" does
also what I need. So everything is ok
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966[09:54:07] <rauno> hi
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967[09:54:25] <bubba1> :-D
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968[09:54:32] <rauno> with debian 8.9 does the cloud-init work
with user meta-data volume ?=
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969[09:54:46] <rauno> or is there something specific compared to
9.1 ?
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977[10:01:19] <HotBeefDip> I wanted to get the new Firefox on
Stretch and found a guide online that walked me through editing
sources.list to include the following lines:
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978[10:01:20] <HotBeefDip> deb
replaced-url
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979[10:01:22] <HotBeefDip> deb-src
replaced-url
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980[10:02:05] <babilen> Yeah, you really don't want to do
that
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981[10:02:10] <HotBeefDip> I also had to do some apt
pinning...it worked and now I have the new Firefox installed...but
now I'm reading the guide on package management...does
including sid mean I am now running on an unstable release?
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982[10:02:18] <babilen>
replaced-url
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983[10:02:23] <HotBeefDip> well shit
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984[10:02:38] <toruvinn> HotBeefDip, if you apt-get upgraded or
installed packages from that, then yeah, you kinda are
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985[10:02:46] <babilen> It essentially means that you are
running some kind of weird FrankenDebian that's a mix of stable
and unstable
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987[10:02:57] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: just download the latest
tarball from mozilla and extract it under /opt/firefox
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988[10:02:57] <babilen> dpkg: list repo
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989[10:02:58] <dpkg> babilen: I wish you would RTFM.
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990[10:03:15] <babilen> dpkg: list repositories
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991[10:03:15] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have
come from, try
replaced-url
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992[10:03:21] <toruvinn> Don't suffer from Shiny New Stuff
Syndrome
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994[10:03:34] * toruvinn can't stop it
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995[10:03:37] <toruvinn> n... noooo.....
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996[10:03:39] <toruvinn> SHINY!
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997[10:04:03] <babilen> HotBeefDip: You could take a look at
what you pulled in with ^^ and *maybe* roll back, but you probably
have to either run unstable now (see
replaced-url
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999[10:04:13] <HotBeefDip> it's not so much about
new/shiny...I can deal with old/stable...it's just that the new
Firefox runs a shit ton faster than the ESR
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1000[10:04:21] <babilen> That's SNS
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1001[10:04:26] <babilen> judd: v firefox
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1002[10:04:27] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 58.0.1-1;
experimental: 59.0~b4-1
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1003[10:04:32] <pingfloyd> browser is a good candidate to run at
the latest version
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1004[10:04:37] <pingfloyd> but you're going about it all
wrong
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1005[10:05:12] <pingfloyd> apt-pinning and mixing with sid
isn't a good direction to go, especially to solve this easy
dilemma
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1006[10:05:16] <babilen> There might be backports from mdn
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1007[10:05:17] <HotBeefDip> I'll probably do a reinstall
sometime soon...so, the best advice is to just build the new Firefox
from the source?
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1008[10:05:39] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: just download the tarball
from mozilla and extract it to where you want to run it from
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1009[10:05:55] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: if you just want a single
to use to run it, extract somewhere under your $HOME
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1011[10:06:13] <pingfloyd> otherwise under /opt is an appropriate
place if you want to available system-wide
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1012[10:06:14] <bites> i think mdn stopped packaging firefox
release for stable.
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1013[10:06:25] <babilen> Yeah, just checked .. they no longer do
it
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1014[10:06:31] <HotBeefDip> I can do that...but that brings me to
another n00b question...where is the most appropriate place for
applications to live so they're available to all users of a
system? is it /usr/bin?
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1015[10:06:42] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: depends
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1016[10:07:17] <bites> HotBeefDip: /opt with a symlink from
/usr/local/bin/ for example
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1017[10:07:19] <babilen> /opt for third-party binaries,
/usr/local for locally installed (manage that with stow!), ...
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1018[10:07:30] <babilen> Read "man hier"
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1019[10:08:02] <pingfloyd> /opt is appropriate in the case of
firefox because it uses a self-contained hierarchy for all of its
associated files
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1020[10:08:43] <pingfloyd> otherwise, in the case of most
programs executables, libs, and misc files are split between
hierarchies
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1022[10:09:47] <HotBeefDip> ok, I'll do a reinstall soon and
manually install Firefox from source into /opt
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1023[10:09:57] <HotBeefDip> thanks to all of you for the helpful
advice
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1025[10:10:55] <HotBeefDip> babilen: I just read where you said
they stopped packaging firefox for stable...so there's no way
for me to install it manually from the mozilla site?
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1026[10:11:00] <babilen> Might want to play with unstable before
.. at least you get to experience that (after a full upgrade and
installing apt-listbugs)
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1027[10:11:10] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: there is still a good
reason to stick with ESR though
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1029[10:11:21] <HotBeefDip> pingfloyd: which is?
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1030[10:11:22] <babilen> HotBeefDip: No, Debian maintainers used
to backports release/aurora/beta versions to stable
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1031[10:11:35] <pingfloyd> HotBeefDip: Quantum requires a rewrite
in extensions and some of your favorite addons may not be compatible
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1032[10:11:55] <dokma> What could cause the `./miner 2>&1
| tee output.log` to produce no output when it produces lots of it
without tee ?
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1036[10:12:09] <pingfloyd> if that's not the case, I'd
go with the latest version like you want to do
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1037[10:12:21] <dokma> Could the miner be detecting that it is
being redirected and producing no output in response?
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1038[10:12:21] <babilen> HotBeefDip: But these can no longer be
provided as that would mean backporting the entire rust toolchain
also
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1039[10:12:33] <HotBeefDip> pingfloyd: I don't really need
any...only things I really use are https everywhere and
disconnect...but disconnect is baked into the browser now and https
everywhere is up to date
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1040[10:13:24] <pingfloyd> then I'd go with latest for all
of the hmtl5 improvements
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1046[10:14:46] <HotBeefDip> so, if I'm gonna run unstable
for a little while...would it be wise to avoid doing apt
updates/upgrades?
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1048[10:15:57] <pingfloyd> no
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1050[10:16:27] <pingfloyd> that's the only way sid gets any
kind of security updates
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1051[10:16:49] <HotBeefDip> pingfloyd: oh duh, security
updates...I forgot about those
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1052[10:17:06] <pingfloyd> of course there's much less
expectation for security in sid, but effort is still made.
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1053[10:17:26] <pingfloyd> effort such as maintainers updating
their packages to fix a security issue
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1054[10:17:27] <HotBeefDip> do Linux distros typically push out
security updates faster/more often than commercial OS's (OS X,
Windows)?
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1056[10:18:06] <pingfloyd> some distros are lousy with security
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1057[10:18:10] <pingfloyd> look at Mint
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1058[10:18:29] <HotBeefDip> I almost installed Mint when I got
ready to build a linux virtual machine
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1059[10:18:31] <Kelsar> still no new clamav?
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1060[10:18:34] <pingfloyd> it will hold back upstream (read
ubuntu) security updates if there are conflicts with their own
packages.
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1062[10:18:48] <pingfloyd> so they put higher priority on their
own packages over security updates.
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1064[10:19:19] <pingfloyd> security should always be a first
priority
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1065[10:19:35] <HotBeefDip> I narrowed my decision down to
Ubuntu, Debian, Mint and Elementary...chose Debian because it seemed
like one of the furthest upstream and has such a huge dev community
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1080[10:22:56] <choice> Good Morning
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1081[10:23:14] <choice> So yesterday you guys convinced me to
switch from apt-get to apt....
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1082[10:23:35] <choice> Today I got this: The following packages
were automatically installed and are no longer required: libpci3
libspeechd2'
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1083[10:23:42] <choice> "Use 'apt-get autoremove'
to remove them."
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1084[10:23:53] <choice> Should I use apt-get autoremove or apt
autoremove now?
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1085[10:24:06] <pingfloyd> choice: why did you switch to apt?
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1086[10:24:29] <bites> i don't think there is a practical
difference.
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1087[10:24:57] <choice> pingfloyd: People here said its better.
One example was that it will update the kernel while apt-get would
need options set to do so.
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1088[10:25:14] <pingfloyd> I don't see how it's better
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1091[10:25:20] <pingfloyd> it's a front-end
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1092[10:25:26] <msn> never asks me questions except if there is
config change
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1093[10:25:31] <msn> i always use apt-get
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1094[10:25:41] <msn> only benefit i see is that
"progress"
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1096[10:25:55] <pingfloyd> apt-get updates the kernel for me
without any problems
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1098[10:26:04] <choice> pingfloyd: As I said, one way it's
"better" is that "apt upgrade" upgrades the
kernel while "apt-get upgrade" just displays "the
following ... have been kept back: ..."
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1099[10:26:17] <msn> apt-get dist-upgrade
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1100[10:26:19] <msn> does that
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1101[10:26:19] <pingfloyd> use dist-upgrade when you have kept
back packages
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1102[10:26:32] <pingfloyd> dist-upgrade is there as a
"safety"
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1103[10:26:33] <msn> or use dist-upgrade if you want apt upgrade
feature
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1105[10:26:49] <choice> msn: True. But that was just one example.
Another one is that apt does not keep the downloaded packages on
disk by default.
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1106[10:27:00] <pingfloyd> dist-upgrade will allow apt to include
removal of obsolete packages in dependency resolution to install the
newer packags.
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1109[10:27:26] <msn> choice: you mean its absicaly QoL things
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1110[10:27:31] <pingfloyd> choosing between 'upgrade'
and 'dist-upgrade' is a feature
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1111[10:27:36] <msn> apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get clean
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1112[10:27:38] <choice> Hmm... there seems to be no 'apt
autoremove'.
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1114[10:28:00] <bites> on stretch there is.
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1116[10:28:04] <pingfloyd> just do an apt-get --purge autoremove
and be done with it
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1117[10:28:10] <choice> msn: Yes. Thats the whole point of apt.
It simplifies that.
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1118[10:28:25] <choice> bites: What is stretch? Debian 9?
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1119[10:28:30] <bites> yes
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1120[10:28:36] <choice> bites: I'm on 8.
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1122[10:29:00] <bites> then apt-get autoremove ^^
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1123[10:29:05] <choice> :)
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1124[10:29:29] <choice> I wonder why it doesn't
automatically remove unused packages.
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1126[10:29:30] <pingfloyd> why don't you want to stick to
using the apt suite directly?
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1127[10:29:40] <choice> When you install new ones that need them,
it will re-install them anyhow.
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1128[10:29:43] <pingfloyd> sounds like you're already used
to it
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1129[10:29:47] <pingfloyd> why add training wheels
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1130[10:30:12] <choice> pingfloyd: Why did Debian add apt if
it's not an improvement?
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1131[10:30:24] <pingfloyd> choice: why did they add aptitude?
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1133[10:30:34] <pingfloyd> why did someone make synaptic?
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1134[10:30:34] <choice> pingfloyd: I have no idea. I never looked
into it.
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1136[10:31:01] <bites> just use what you want to. it's not
that big of a deal.
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1138[10:31:35] <pingfloyd> anyway, looks like your version of apt
doesn't cover autoremove so you're back to using apt-get
for the autoremove feature.
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1139[10:31:35] <bites> and aptitude very much has its place too.
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1140[10:32:06] <choice> bites: What is it?
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1143[10:32:38] <pingfloyd> I can see the TUI of aptitude saving
you some time in certain scenarios
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1144[10:32:40] <bites> aptitude has a somewhat smarter dependency
resolve algo and a useful search syntax.
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1145[10:32:57] <pingfloyd> like when you've got a big
dependency snafu on your hands
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1147[10:33:19] <choice> I don't think I ever had such a
snafu.
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1148[10:33:23] <pingfloyd> and you're trying to figure out
which package is setting it all off
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1149[10:33:32] <bites> then don't worry about it.
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1150[10:33:33] <pingfloyd> choice: get used such snafus if you
use unstable
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1151[10:33:45] <choice> apt-get has been working fine for me for
18 years now.
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1152[10:33:58] <pingfloyd> you shouldn't run into them with
stable assuming no pebcak involved.
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1153[10:34:09] <pingfloyd> if you do, you can consider them bugs
that should be fixed.
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1159[10:37:36] <msn> i been using testing for about 10 yrs now
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1161[10:37:52] <msn> never ran into a dependancy snafu not
resolvable
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1162[10:38:25] <f31n> hi, i'm running into follwing issue
i'm to stupid to find in google ^^ - i use for multiple server
i'm connecting with an ssh cert, now that i just wanted to
change to lxde i figure that all the file browsers are ignoring my
ssh-add command and ask for passwords, and not taking the cert thats
already added... can you tell me how to resolve that issue?
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1171[10:45:50] <rant> f31n: your description is a bit vague and
ambiguous. ssh is a secure shell and typically has nothing to do
with file browsers, and there are dozens of file browsers. also ssh
deals with keys not certs.. so.. at best I can assume you're
using sshfs to access a remote filesystem and having some sort of
issue with a key.. and that may be entirely wrong
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1183[10:55:24] <Kelsar> rant: ssh can use certs too
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1188[10:56:01] <Kelsar> f31n: did you ssh-agent start before your
desktop started? otherwise they won't have the needed env
variables to use it
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1189[10:56:13] <SanchoPensa> hi
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1190[10:56:19] <SanchoPensa> hey, guys!
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1191[10:56:31] <SanchoPensa> so, another day, another üpro
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1192[10:56:37] <SanchoPensa> problem..
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1193[10:57:48] <SanchoPensa> since yesterday, i got the computer
back up and runnign, drives are mapped, as desired, and ther eis a
debian 9.3 version on the harddisk, id DOES actually boot, but to
what point, I can't exactly tell, as the screen goes black.
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1195[10:58:25] <SanchoPensa> quod erat expectandum... or in other
words, what I had already suspected yesterday, when the live DVD
wouldn't work.
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1196[10:58:37] <SanchoPensa> guys... how do I get my graphics
back, please?
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1197[10:59:10] <SanchoPensa> if i remember it correctly, it was a
fx460
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1200[11:01:06] <f31n> Kelsar: yes i added the ssh-agent to the
autostart of lxde if that is what you mean
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1201[11:01:35] <Kelsar> f31n: dunno if that is enough
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1202[11:01:53] <Kelsar> plasma has special startup file just for
those cases, dunno about lxde
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1204[11:02:24] <f31n> can you send me a link to that file?
i'll look into that
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1205[11:03:01] <Kelsar> /etc/plasma/ something, it is executed
before kwin and plasma itself start
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1206[11:03:09] <Kelsar> like xinitrc
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1207[11:03:17] <SanchoPensa> babilen: u there, bro?
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1208[11:03:28] <f31n> rant: what i try to do is sftp:// to a
server that has only a cert access and not an password one
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1209[11:03:39] <Kelsar> cert or key?
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1210[11:03:46] <Kelsar> those are different
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1211[11:04:22] <rant> with completely different set of problems
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1212[11:04:38] <Kelsar> and usually you use public key access,
certs are usually only used in bigger company structures
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1213[11:04:46] <rant> a cert can fail to work just because your
timezone/date/etc is wrong
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1215[11:05:11] <SanchoPensa> rant: yes, it can
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1217[11:05:32] <Kelsar> anyways gotta go
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1219[11:07:34] <f31n> sorry, its wrong in my vocabulary, ssh
key-based auth is what i'm using
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1220[11:08:45] <rant> f31n: and have you verified your key
manually on the commandline, ruling out something unrelated to the
filemanager or ssh-agent?
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1223[11:09:18] <f31n> so i'm used from gnome / mate that
wenn i do a ssh-add on the terminal, the file browser (doesn't
matter which) just loggs me into that server, but here it
doesn't
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1224[11:09:40] <f31n> yes i did, i used ssh to connect to the
server
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1225[11:09:51] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Just ask your question ...
I will answer if I'm there (let alone know it)
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1226[11:09:51] <f31n> the shell, is connecting as it should
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1227[11:10:03] <rant> and you checked to make sure that ssh-agent
is running?
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1228[11:10:14] <f31n> yes
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1229[11:10:46] <rant> because if the key works and ssh-agent is
running then it does seem like it matters which file browser because
for whatever reason whichever one isnt working isnt talking to
ssh-agent
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1230[11:11:03] <rant> how they do that or even if they do that,
depends on what filemanager it is
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1231[11:12:06] <rant> this is kinda a dumb questoin but are you
absolutely sure that the file browser and ssh-agent are all running
as the same user who owns the key?
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1232[11:12:09] <f31n> thats what i guessed so too, but neither
caja (which is working fine in mate), nor pcmanfm, nor files is
working and that looks like strange forme
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1234[11:14:04] <f31n> i just opened from a terminal where i
connected via ssh to a server (and it worked), caja, and caja has no
access to the key
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1246[11:21:13] <f31n> the most frustrating thing on that is, when
i relog to mate or gnome, its working as it should - but its not
working on lxde or xfce
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1247[11:21:47] <f31n> so i guess there is something missing on
the lightwight desktop manager
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1249[11:22:12] <rant> all you should need is a keyring manager,
the simplest form of which is ssh-agent
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1250[11:22:30] * rant tests this out
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1253[11:25:41] <rant> well I just logged out and logged in using
just sawfish and started caja and was able to sftp:// from caja to
this host
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1254[11:26:01] <rant> I'm using lightdm.. I didnt even make
any attempt to setup or start ssh-agent
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1255[11:26:39] * rant tries again without lightdm
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1259[11:29:56] <rant> odd.. I can't seem to start X without
lightdm :P
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1264[11:33:14] <rant> in any case I can't seem to reproduce
the issue.. for me caja fires up gnome-keyring and all those other
things like gvfsd
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1270[11:38:27] <rant> actually now that I've logged out,
slayed my user and logged back in I see its starting
gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login when I login via lightdm to
sawfish
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1272[11:38:46] <rant> so that may be the only difference between
our setups is that I'm running the keyring daemon
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1277[11:40:00] <rant> no, even when I kill gnome-keyring-daemon
it still works :P
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1283[11:41:11] <rant> and I didn't setup crap.. I just did
ssh-keygen, then copied my id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on
the server. I made no attempts to start ssh-agent, or use ssh-add
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1284[11:41:21] <rant> I'm TRYING to break this and unable to
do so :P
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1285[11:43:11] <rant> hell, even when I kill ssh-agent and start
caja it still works :P
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1292[11:45:36] <rant> yeah idk.. I can't make it not work
here.. I've closed mate, ssh-agent, gnome-keyring-daemon, my
ssh connection to this host, slayed my user, started X with only
sawfish and launched caja and it still works
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1296[11:46:31] <SanchoPensa> babilen: do you remember, when I
said yesterda, that I have the suspicion, that my graphics adapter
is too opld for debian 9? I am afraid, I was right.
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1297[11:46:31] <SanchoPensa> I get qa black screedn with a
"no signal" right after the boot sequence...
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1299[11:47:03] <babilen> That could have ten million reasons
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1300[11:47:17] <babilen> You might want to ensure that whatever
driver/module you use is properly installed and configured
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1301[11:47:38] <cheapie> FWIW, I have the same issue on all of
the computers here with the i810 chipset, but I haven't
bothered to try to fix those yet :P
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1302[11:47:55] <SanchoPensa> babilen: I reinstalled all of debian
during the night.
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1303[11:48:14] <cheapie> wheezy and older works fine on them,
jessie and up runs in text mode fine but X provides no video output.
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1304[11:48:26] <SanchoPensa> i changed the orde of the hard disks
physically, by pluging this hdd there, and so on.
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1305[11:48:41] <SanchoPensa> then i adapted the order int he bios
accordingly
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1306[11:48:57] <SanchoPensa> put my current os hdd as sda1
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1308[11:49:20] <SanchoPensa> reinstalled.
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1309[11:49:20] <SanchoPensa> and bamm.
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1310[11:49:20] <SanchoPensa> black screen.
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1311[11:49:26] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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1314[11:50:10] <tobiasBora> I would like to know what's the
current state of the meltdown & spectre vulnerabilities
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1315[11:50:17] <SanchoPensa> babilen: so, that driver module,
that i installed, is the one,t hat a fresh debian installation ships
with.
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1316[11:50:50] <babilen> I have no idea what you installed, what
your graphic card is or why it's not working right now
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1317[11:51:12] <tobiasBora> I just ran the test to see if my
computer is vulnerable, and it's not vulnerable to meltdown,
but he is vulnerable to both versions of spectre
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1319[11:51:43] <SanchoPensa> babilen: look, man, I do not mean to
privatize you, but since you successfully helped me yesterday, and
are familiar with my problem history..
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1321[11:52:27] <SanchoPensa> babilen: it is an nvidia fx460
adapter, if I recall that correctly, i would like to execute a lshw,
leider, you know...
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1322[11:52:46] <babilen> Well .. why don't you ask the
channel, provide some information (along the lines of "I have
this GPU ...", "I installed ...", "Output of
"lspci -nn|grep -i vga" is ...", ....)]#
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1325[11:54:16] <SanchoPensa> babilen: dude... how am i gonna
execute that, with a black monitor...?
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1326[11:54:16] <SanchoPensa> I'll be booting a rescue
conmsole, brb
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1327[11:54:21] <rant> tobiasBora:
replaced-url
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1331[11:55:32] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Did you install any nvidia
drivers?
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1332[11:56:38] <SanchoPensa> babilen: no
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1334[11:57:10] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i did a debian standard
installation from the version, that i downloaded form the debain
home pag yesterday
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1335[11:57:20] <babilen> Okay
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1337[11:57:47] <SanchoPensa> babilen: it wasnt wquit ethe
standard stasnd dard debian version, bus the firmware version
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1340[11:58:19] <SanchoPensa> i hoped to avoid exactly the
sitatuation that i am in by doing so.
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1341[11:58:29] <babilen> That's okay .. it only differs in
that it includes firmware (which is good in many cases)
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1343[11:58:59] <tobiasBora> rant: I'm not sure to understand
why there are linux AND nvidia driver. This vulnerability also
applies to nvidia cards? And also I don't see anything in
linux, does that mean that for now there is no solution for spectre
on Linux ?
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1345[11:59:22] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what i thouhgt...
unfortunately no happy end so far for me... :)
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1346[11:59:36] <babilen> tobiasBora: Intel is letting customers
run their tests .. See
replaced-url
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1348[11:59:59] <babilen> "We also continue to release beta
microcode updates so that customers and partners have the
opportunity to conduct extensive testing before we move them into
production."
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1350[12:00:07] <babilen> (cf.
replaced-url
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1354[12:00:27] <babilen> I'd have hoped that *they* run
tests, before *we* move it to production
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1355[12:00:45] <rant> tobiasBora: there is no solution for
spectre at all on anything..
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1358[12:02:04] <tobiasBora> babilen: ok thanks. But I heard that
Linux deployed an inneficient solution that basically consists in
loading/unloading all the kernel variables at each system
interruption (sorry I'm not using the good technical terms,
I'm not familiar at all with these notions), isn't it
still the case?
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1359[12:02:23] <babilen> There is that, yes
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1360[12:02:35] <babilen> It's still not finalised AFAIK
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1361[12:02:38] <Martin_vW> A few minutes ago, I ran
dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc on a server, and it asked my if I want to
overwrite my local changes to /etc/default/grub. I looked at the
diff but afterwards accidentally pressed return, and thereby I
answered "no, keep my local changes". Now dpkg-reconfigure
grub-pc will not ask this question again. How do I get it to ask the
question again?
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1362[12:02:41] <SanchoPensa> babilen: says nvidia gf104 [GeForce
GTX 460] [ 10de:0e22], vev1
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1363[12:02:52] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Cool, thanks
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1365[12:03:07] <tobiasBora> babilen: ok thanks. Do you know if
somehow the user can disable it if for example he fixed the
microcode?
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1366[12:03:12] <SanchoPensa> me too!
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1368[12:04:11] <babilen> SanchoPensa:
replaced-url
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1369[12:04:24] <babilen> SanchoPensa: We'd have to figure
out which driver version supports your card first though
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1371[12:04:43] <babilen> Is that a laptop or anything else that
might use Optimus?
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1373[12:05:17] <SanchoPensa> babilen: should I have somehow
"adressed" my graphics drive during installation
somewhere?
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1374[12:05:20] <babilen> judd: v nvidia-driver
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1375[12:05:21] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 --
wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free:
340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1;
stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free:
384.111-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.111-4; sid/non-free:
384.111-4; experimental/non-free: 390.25-1
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1376[12:05:22] <SanchoPensa> i mean, can i even?
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1377[12:05:33] <SanchoPensa> babilen: nope, it is a
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1378[12:05:38] <babilen>
replaced-url
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1379[12:05:57] <babilen> dpkg: nvidia dkms
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1380[12:05:57] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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1381[12:06:01] <SanchoPensa> n ordinary pc, it is only a laptop,
that i am currently writing fdrom, as my pc is obviously in limbo...
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1382[12:06:26] <babilen>
replaced-url
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1385[12:07:13] <SanchoPensa> hmmm... i will loook into this,
thank you so far!
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1388[12:08:13] <SanchoPensa> babilen: can i do all that in
chroot?
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1392[12:10:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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1398[12:14:18] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Should work, yeah
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1399[12:14:35] <babilen> dpkg: fixmbr
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1400[12:14:36] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1401[12:15:04] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Just make sure you chroot
completely ^^
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1403[12:16:03] <iateadonut> hi. i've got phpmyadmin
tunnelling through ssh to 127.0.0.1:port - can i put in my pword
even though i'm not using ssl since i'm tunneling?
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1406[12:18:57] <antoszka> iateadonut: yes
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1407[12:19:21] <antoszka> though I can't say phpmyadmin is
good practice anyway
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1411[12:21:55] <debuser> I installed i3 with media sound hotkey
configured like
replaced-url
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1412[12:22:13] <debuser> now how can i enable display of volume
sound icon when pressing hotkey?
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1413[12:22:49] <debuser> for instance pressing f2 lowering sound
volume, screen will display icon with sound volume
'decreasing'
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1415[12:23:48] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what the nheck do you mean
by "completely"?
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1417[12:24:05] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Mount proc/sysfs/...
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1418[12:24:39] <SanchoPensa> babilen: aparently debians rfescue
console does that automagically, cos last time i checked, they were
there!
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1419[12:24:47] <SanchoPensa> yay! :)
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1420[12:25:06] <SanchoPensa> but thanks for the hint anyways!
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1424[12:26:18] <iateadonut> antoszka, then i will rephrase:
"my dummy designer coworker refuses to learn the mysql command
line..."
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1425[12:26:44] <antoszka> iateadonut: heh, yeah, that's the
usual problem. you should be good with ssh tunneling end-to-end
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1431[12:31:54] <ArsenArsen> How do I find out what driver
packages I need?
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1435[12:34:43] <toruvinn> any idea how i can get execve() logging
like grsec used to do? with parent's pid and argv data?
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1441[12:37:49] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i am trying to do it, but
when i want to apt update, i get a bnunch of errors, that the links
in sources. löist cannot be resolved.
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1442[12:37:57] <SanchoPensa> i can ping my gateway though
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1443[12:38:12] <SanchoPensa> no name resolution in other words...
what do i do?
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1446[12:40:04] <bites> SanchoPensa: what's in your
/etc/resolv.conf ? check that there is a sensible nameserver like
your router or "nameserver 8.8.8.8" are you not using
dhcp? can you ping 8.8.8.8?
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1448[12:41:15] <antoszka> debuser: you'd need some daemon
like the one that's integrated in gnome (but not pulling in
most of gnome), TBH nothing comes to mind, though you might get some
dzen2 or other notifier integrations
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1450[12:41:25] <toruvinn> oh, jessie-backports has a grsec
kernel. let's see.
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1451[12:41:26] <antoszka> debuser: I'll be curious myself if
you find something
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1454[12:42:22] <babilen> judd: v linux-patch-grsecurity2
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1455[12:42:23] <judd> Package: linux-patch-grsecurity2 on amd64
-- wheezy: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; jessie:
3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; buster: 3.1+4.9.11-201702181444-1; sid:
3.1+4.9.11-201702181444-1
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1461[12:45:25] <SanchoPensa> babilen: yes i can ping 8.8.8.8, and
yes, i ckecked to use dhcp during the invocation of the rescue
console
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1462[12:46:11] <SanchoPensa> babilen: believe it or not, i do not
have an /etc/resolv.conf...
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1463[12:46:26] <babilen> Ah ha!
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1466[12:46:45] <SanchoPensa> could that be related to iproute2?
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1467[12:47:03] <SanchoPensa> :D
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1468[12:47:04] <babilen> You should have /etc/resolv.conf
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1470[12:47:23] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what does the fact, that i
dont have one tell us?
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1471[12:47:35] <babilen> That you should sort that out
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1472[12:48:07] <SanchoPensa> HAHAHA, i see!
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1473[12:48:29] <debuser> antoszka: thanks. i will check that and
reply back if i find any!
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1474[12:48:47] <antoszka> thx, too
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1475[12:49:35] <antoszka> debuser: I googled for a while, but
found nothing with visual feedback, you can easily plug the
media-keys to the 'pactl' program, but that won't
display anything.
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1476[12:50:27] <SanchoPensa> babilen: ok, i found the resolv.cnf,
and it pints to /var/run/Networkmanager/resolv.conf
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1487[12:54:37] <babilen> SanchoPensa: So, what's in there?
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1496[12:58:09] <SanchoPensa> babilen: nothing
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1497[12:58:14] <SanchoPensa> very spooky..
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1498[12:58:26] <SanchoPensa> when i try to open it, it says, it
doesnt exist
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1499[12:58:32] <SanchoPensa> but ls -l finds it
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1500[12:58:37] <SanchoPensa> very, very spooky
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1513[13:04:45] <babilen> I'd recommend configuring
/etc/resolv.conf
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1521[13:07:17] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help with this?
replaced-url
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1525[13:12:50] <fosstux> Hi! I'm having problems getting my
Samba access working. When I try to locally connect with the
following command: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER
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1527[13:13:10] <fosstux> all I get is session setup failed:
NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER
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1528[13:13:11] <Rembo> what is the latest gcc version for debian
8 ?
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1530[13:13:49] <fosstux> FYI: I've been using GADMIN-SAMBA
for setting up.
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1531[13:13:55] <fosstux> Please help!
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1533[13:14:10] <teatime> Rembo: you can find out at
packages.debian.org or (if you know how) one of these bots
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1535[13:14:25] <teatime> dpkg: tell hexhaxtron about ubuntu
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1536[13:15:06] <hexhaxtron> teatime: the Debian pastebin was
considering it spam...
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1541[13:16:27] <teatime> forgive me
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1542[13:16:48] <teatime> force of habit :)
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1546[13:20:24] <teatime> hexhaxtron: the code you're trying
to compile appears to need updating for compatibility with openssl
1.1.x
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1556[13:26:57] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i cannot open that file, as
it says, doesnt exist.
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1557[13:27:08] <SanchoPensa> i cannot create that file, as it
says, it doesnt exist
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1558[13:27:14] <SanchoPensa> but i can list that wfile
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1559[13:27:19] <SanchoPensa> with ls -l
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1560[13:27:25] <SanchoPensa> what the hell?!?
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1561[13:27:27] <bites> remove the symlink, create a new file.
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1563[13:28:17] <Oki_> WHO
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1564[13:28:35] <bites> wasn't me.
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1565[13:28:47] <SanchoPensa> eureka! thsanks bites!
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1580[13:40:44] <SanchoPensa> ok, babilen, my friend, we are two
steps further: install of the nvidia driver was finally successfull,
but i do get an all white screeen, sayin, oops, something went
wrong, please log out and try again. tty 2 works, though
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1581[13:41:14] <SanchoPensa> so, i am looking at the xorg logs
right now, i guess, i will need some sort of xorg conf, does that
still exist?
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1587[13:43:19] <g0zzy> Getting "mmc0: error -123 whilst
initialising SD card". Another machine reads it OK. Is it a
hardware error or an OS one do you think?
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1589[13:44:35] <SanchoPensa> babilen: whts module "nv"?
its missing..
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1590[13:45:50] <teatime> 2d-only open-source driver for nvidia
gpus
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1591[13:46:05] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: don't worry about nv,
nv is the old open nvidia driver that no one uses anymore. The two
main ones are nouveau as the open driver and nvidia as the closed
soucre driver.
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1593[13:46:30] <teatime> g0zzy: that error seems to be "No
medium found"... is sdcard seated all the way? in backwards?
etc.
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1594[13:46:51] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: thanks, there, nouveau is
installed and loaded
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1596[13:47:19] <SanchoPensa> other thatn that, i can see a
gazillion of ranges, like vsiincs and hsyncs, and what not
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1597[13:47:29] <SanchoPensa> but no error so far...
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1598[13:47:57] <g0zzy> teatime: Yes, i've chivvied it in
many different ways while tailing syslog. Nothing
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1599[13:48:00] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: You are trying to use the
nvidia closed source driver?
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1600[13:48:51] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i just folloewd this
procedure:
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1601[13:48:51] <SanchoPensa>
replaced-url
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1602[13:48:54] <g0zzy> I might try it under some live BSD.
I'm beginning to lose confidence in Debian
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1603[13:49:05] <teatime> heh.
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1604[13:49:17] <SanchoPensa> and it appears, that 1400x1020 is my
highest resulution currently...
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1606[13:50:36] <SanchoPensa> aha... failed to initialize GLX
extension, compatible NVIDIA X driver not found
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1607[13:50:39] <SanchoPensa> huh? :D
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1609[13:51:06] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: lsmod | grep nvidia (did the
nvidia modules load)? What nvidia card do you have?
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1611[13:52:02] <somiaj> g0zzy: could it be issues with the
cardreader's compadability with the linux kernel?
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1613[13:52:12] <onyx> hi ;) winter is coming ^^
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1614[13:52:13] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: it is a GTX460, pretty
ancient, i know...
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1617[13:52:40] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: that isn't too acient,
but older cards need older drivers sometimes. One second.
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1618[13:52:47] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: and the weird thing is, X
server's log just ends somewhere in the middle. just like that
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1619[13:53:12] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i know, bro, thanks, and
thats the reason, why i followed that procedure on that page.
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1620[13:53:16] <SanchoPensa> first of which
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1621[13:53:27] <onyx> how can load lvm2 and luks module in
initramfs for mykernel?
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1625[13:54:28] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: and nope, lsmod | grep
nvidia doe not return a result, ie. not loaded. strange.
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1628[13:55:02] <g0zzy> somiaj: I certainly hope not ;)
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1630[13:55:13] <onyx> hi
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1631[13:55:15] <teatime> onyx: they should get included
automatically during `sudo update-initramfs` whenever they're
needed
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1632[13:55:31] <onyx> helloteatime
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1634[13:56:08] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: the gtx 460 seems to be
supported by the driver. So you said you installed the linux-headers
and nvidia packages. Can you give the output of 'dpkg -l | grep
linux-headers' and 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' at
paste.debian.net
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1639[13:57:06] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: oh boy... yes, i will type
them into pastebin, ill report back, when i am done, just a few
moments, please...
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1640[13:57:37] <g0zzy> I mean this card read fine on this
Thinkpad until today
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1644[13:59:04] <somiaj> g0zzy: so it read fine in debian using
the same reader and it stopped working today? Have you tried it in
another machine since it stopped working?
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1646[13:59:25] <onyx> ok i ll try
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1647[13:59:30] <g0zzy> Yes. Another box (also Debian) reads it
fine
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1648[13:59:46] <g0zzy> (though it needed a dos fsck)
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1649[14:00:07] <somiaj> g0zzy: do you have another card you can
test in that reader, make sure the reader didn't go bad? Did
you update the kernel on that thinkpad since the last time it
worked?
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1650[14:00:34] <bitess> SanchoPensa: you can use pastebinit or
something like ls | nc termbin.com 9999 to pastebin something from
the command line.
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1651[14:00:38] <onyx> @teatime thanks may my kernel compilation
way need somme extra module :)
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1652[14:00:47] <g0zzy> Yes. I've got one in front of me with
RPi on it. I'll see what happens
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1653[14:01:44] <g0zzy> Not looking good: "mmcblk0: error -84
transferring data, sector 272, nr 128, cmd response 0x900, card
status 0xb00"
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1655[14:02:06] <somiaj> g0zzy: so in this case either the reader
is going bad or something changed with your kernel.
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1657[14:02:19] <somiaj> g0zzy: at least that is what the test
says to me.
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1659[14:02:55] <g0zzy> Well it does mount actually
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1662[14:04:14] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: here we go:
replaced-url
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1664[14:05:04] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: and the dpkg -l | grep
nvidia (what nvidia packages do you have installed). And uname -a,
double check you are running the 4.9.0-5-amd64 kernel.
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1666[14:05:09] <g0zzy> Well thanks guys. I'll keep an eye
and see if i can home in on whether the card reader's really
gone off
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1667[14:05:18] <somiaj> g0zzy: well bad hardware can cause buggy
results.
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1668[14:05:24] <teatime> g0zzy: what kernel version?
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1670[14:05:31] <teatime> oh, sorry, was scrolled up.
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1671[14:05:31] <debuser> antoszka: come across volnoti -
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1672[14:05:33] <somiaj> (or yea, it could be a kernel change)
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1673[14:05:34] <g0zzy> Linux t410 4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1675[14:05:56] <debuser> it basically works as expected.
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1677[14:06:00] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i have like 10.000 nvidia
tnings ionstalled...
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1678[14:06:32] <somiaj> g0zzy: hmm, that would be a weird
regression to have the newer kernel cause this, you may have the old
4.9.0-4 kernel still installed, you could boot into and see if this
is a regression issue.
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1679[14:06:38] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: version generally seems to
be 375.82-1~deb9u1
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1680[14:06:56] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: do you have one of the form
nvidia-kernel-dkms?
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1683[14:07:25] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: as described before, i have
all of it exclusivley through apt
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1684[14:07:27] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: and have your rebooted since
you installed these packages.
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1685[14:07:32] <SanchoPensa> yes
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1686[14:07:40] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: yea, I'm just double
checking things, to try to figure out what isn't working.
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1687[14:07:46] <SanchoPensa> as described, it rebootesd me into
this white screen
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1688[14:07:47] <g0zzy> Yes, i could look into that
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1689[14:07:47] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: lsmod | grep nouveau (is the
nouveau module loaded)?
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1692[14:08:02] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: yes, i am following, thsank
you m8!
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1694[14:08:28] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: nope, not either
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1696[14:08:51] <teatime> g0zzy: after you check into that,
remember backports kernel is an option for you to try, if suitable.
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1698[14:09:07] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: dmesg | grep -i nvidia (do
you see any errors regarging trying to load the nvidia module)?
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1699[14:09:10] <g0zzy> Though i've had a lot of weird
problems recently such as my scroll wheel not scrolling always.
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1703[14:09:19] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: gimme a sec
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1704[14:09:23] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: take your time
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1705[14:09:40] <SanchoPensa> , please, i was just audacious to
modprobe nouveau, and now i got black scfreen again... :D
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1706[14:10:06] <SanchoPensa> woha
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1708[14:10:23] <SanchoPensa> i crashed the whole os, i need to
reboot, sec, pls...
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1709[14:10:25] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: well I would have suggested
trying to modprobe nvidia to try to see if we can track down why the
module isn't loading.
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1711[14:10:28] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: take your time
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1712[14:10:33] <g0zzy> Backports, yes. Thanks
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1714[14:11:10] <teatime> dpkg: tell g0zzy about stretch-backports
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1716[14:11:23] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: nvidia isnt there, man...
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1717[14:11:41] <SanchoPensa> ok, im back
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1718[14:11:54] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: what do you mean? You mean
you get no output from 'dmesg | grep -i nvidia'? After the
machine boots, try to manually load the nvidia module,
'modprobe nvidia'
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1722[14:13:17] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i mean, whe i tried that
previously, it returned, no such module
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1724[14:13:40] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: okay, dpkg-reconfigure
nvidia-kernel-dkms (look for any errors in building of the module)
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1725[14:14:28] <SanchoPensa> now, dmesg | grep envidia retuns:
input HDA NVidia HDMI/DP, pcm=3 and that runs through 7, 8 and 9 too
as /devices/pci, and then comes a lot of binary
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1726[14:15:14] <pos> SanchoPensa, cervantes+expanse?
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1727[14:15:21] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: I htink I would have to see
the whole output to make sense of that. But if the module
wasn't found, we should see what happens when we try to build
it.
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1728[14:15:40] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: nono, different error this
time! :D
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1729[14:15:47] <SanchoPensa> looks like this, sec pls:
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1734[14:16:56] <SanchoPensa> modprobe: FATAL: Module
nvidia-current not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64
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1736[14:17:20] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: uname -a, what kernel are
you actually running?
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1738[14:17:28] <linurandy> hello to everyone, how do i push my
nvidia card as default and not my graphic intel?
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1739[14:17:42] <SanchoPensa> modprobe: ERROR:
..//libkmod-module.c_977 command_do() Error running install command
for nvidia
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1741[14:18:12] <SanchoPensa> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert
'nvidia': Operation not permitted
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1743[14:18:33] <BluesKaj> linurandy, is this a laptop with an
Otptimus hybrid gpu system ?
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1744[14:18:47] <BluesKaj> Optimus
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1745[14:18:48] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: it looks like we have found
the issue, seems you are still running the old 4.9.0-4-amd64 kernel.
And you need to upgrade to the newest kernel, 4.9.0-5-amd64. My
guess now is this, 'apt install linux-image-amd64' will
fix your problem.
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1746[14:18:55] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: uname -a retunrs
4.9.0-4-amd64
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1747[14:18:55] <pos> SanchoPensa, modprobe must be done as
su/sudo
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1748[14:19:10] <linurandy> yeap is a Asus VivoBook with Nvidia
GEFORGE MX150
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1749[14:19:15] <SanchoPensa> Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1
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1750[14:19:43] <SanchoPensa> pos: i am logged in as root, i am on
tty2
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1751[14:19:46] <linurandy> i had upgrade it to stretch-backports
for he drivers
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1752[14:19:49] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: yup, that is it, your kernel
is outdated, get the current kernel.
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1753[14:20:15] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: how the hjeck can it be
outdated, whe i downloaded that DVD set only yesterday? :D
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1754[14:20:15] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: in this case you missed an
important security update and odn't have the most current
kernel running.
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1755[14:20:25] <SanchoPensa> iseee...
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1756[14:20:27] <SanchoPensa> lulz
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1757[14:20:33] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: the security patch to fix
meltdown came out after the dvd's were made.
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1758[14:20:37] <SanchoPensa> one moment, pleasxe
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1759[14:20:46] <SanchoPensa> oh boy...
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1760[14:20:50] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: one should usually make sure
to upgrade all packages after download, but this should most likely
fix your problem, thanks for being paitent.
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1762[14:21:02] <linurandy> BluesKaj: yeap is a Asus VivoBook with
Nvidia GEFORGE MX150 i had upgrade it to stretch-backports for he
drivers
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1763[14:21:04] <SanchoPensa> was that the intel cpu backdoor?
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1765[14:21:31] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: i havent precisely had a
chance to do any updates yet... :D
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1767[14:21:48] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: correct.
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1768[14:21:50] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: and thanks for YOUR patience
and assistance too, bro, appretiate it!
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1769[14:22:04] <SanchoPensa> i see, thanks
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1770[14:23:23] <BluesKaj> linurandy, not sure, but you might have
a disable the tntel gpu option in your uefi/bios graphics settings
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1772[14:24:05] <linurandy> BluesKaj: let me see and i tell you
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1773[14:24:57] <BluesKaj> linurandy, I'm not really up to
speed on how debian handles the otptimus sytem
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1776[14:25:37] * BluesKaj curses his phat phingers
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1777[14:26:02] <somiaj> linurandy: BluesKaj: Debian uses
bumblbee, which I think doesn't allow you to just disable the
intel and make nvidia primary
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1778[14:26:13] <somiaj> !bumblebee
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1779[14:26:13] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide
support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux
systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are
Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep
'\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the
laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and
<wheezy-backports>.
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1780[14:27:03] <linurandy> dpkg: yeap just i wanna make my nvidia
primary
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1781[14:27:03] <dpkg> linurandy: I wish you would RTFM.
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1782[14:27:34] <BluesKaj> linurandy,
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1783[14:27:38] <somiaj> linurandy: dpkg is a bot, and I
don't know if that is possible with optimus. But as far as I
know bumblee is the way to get such hardware to work in debian.
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1784[14:27:39] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: babilen i say yeyeah!, ya
that's what i say, i say yeyeah! I has a desktop again! :D
thanks gentlemen!
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1787[14:28:57] <SanchoPensa> what the hell is a mate, though? :D
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1789[14:29:35] <cheapie> SanchoPensa: A desktop environment that
sucks but not as badly as the rest of them do :P
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1791[14:29:57] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: yea, you just had a version
conflict, the headers you installed form security didn't match
the kernel you were using. I thought I tried to check this, but
should have been more detailed, in general always update to security
updates after the install (:
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1793[14:30:27] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: a gnome 2 fork (For those
who don't like gnome3/gnome-shell but liked gnome2)
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1794[14:30:27] <linurandy> BluesKaj: I understand now. Thanks.
Now i ran sudo systemctl status bumblebeed.service and show me that
[ERROR][XORG] (EE) PreInit returned 2 for "<default
pointer>"
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1798[14:32:23] <BluesKaj> you have to install bumblebee,
linurandy
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1799[14:32:33] <linurandy> i had
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1800[14:32:40] <linurandy> BluesKaj: i had
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1801[14:33:29] <SanchoPensa> listen, somiaj: i inserted the usb
stick, that i had created a day before.
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1802[14:33:40] <SanchoPensa> that download was fdrehs, you know?
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1807[14:34:10] <SanchoPensa> alöl, i ever got to see after
that brand new debian install, was a black screen, and a monitor
saying "no signal"
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1808[14:34:28] <SanchoPensa> it is kind of hard, to update under
such circumstances, you know?
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1810[14:34:59] <SanchoPensa> so first i hat to chroot into that
installation through recovery console to download the graphics
driver
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1812[14:35:24] <SanchoPensa> then for the first, time i even got
a console.
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1813[14:35:31] <SanchoPensa> when was i to update?
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1816[14:36:27] <SanchoPensa> dont, get me wrong, i do really
appreciate your help, and all roads finally lead to tranquility
base, but the way there is sometiomes a rocky one, isn't it...?
:)
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1832[14:45:28] <SanchoPensa> omg... how do i switch desktops??
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1833[14:45:35] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Amazing .. happy that it
worked out. Well done!
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1834[14:46:04] <SanchoPensa> babilen: that definitely makes two
of us with the amazement... :D
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1835[14:46:11] <f31n> rant: sorry for my delay - you rock! thanks
for your help! - so there is actually no reason why this damn file
browser ask me for any password except for maybe a missconfiguration
in my system anywhere ... damn
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1837[14:46:38] <SanchoPensa> so, how am i getting xface back...?
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1840[14:47:47] <Lyberta> hi, I physically plugged in my laptop
into my router but can't access its web interface via
192.168.1.1, I can using different PC, help?
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1841[14:47:51] <rant> f31n: well mine asks me for a passworf..
but thats because my key has a password :P
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1850[14:50:24] <f31n> rant: my id_rsa has no password, but the
keys i add with ssh-add does and yes i'm used to punch in a
password in a xterm or something like that; but dah why is the
communication broken and why does noone else has that problem
according to my google research ^^ - i guess i'll need to setup
my system new -.-
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1852[14:50:25] <Fahrradkette> hi again, sorry my connection
dropped.
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1855[14:51:02] <Fahrradkette> is it advisable to do a
dist-upgrade from stretch to buster? or should I rather do a clean
install?
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1857[14:51:18] <babilen> dpkg: install xfce
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1858[14:51:18] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established
systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get
install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using
Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software
selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to
toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet
connection may be required to obtain these packages.
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1859[14:51:18] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: the answer is, before i
installed the driver, while i was chrooted, right...?
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1860[14:51:21] <babilen> SanchoPensa: ^
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1861[14:52:40] <SanchoPensa> babilen: thanks, biut the situation
is, that i checked all desktops, that were available during
installation. i havent seen another desktop in a loooong time, so i
thought, i'd browse.
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1862[14:52:48] <rant> f31n: idk I apparently know less about it
than I thought because it still worked even without gnome-keyring or
ssh-agent running for me *shurg*
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1863[14:52:57] <SanchoPensa> now, i suppose, will hav to switch
soomehow, rightß
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1867[14:54:21] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Well, log out, select other
desktop, profit
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1868[14:54:41] <SanchoPensa> on those videos on youtube gnome AND
kde look like graveyards, btw...
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1869[14:54:49] <f31n> if you eval ssh-agent you'll loose the
access
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1870[14:54:55] <SanchoPensa> babilen: yeah, what i thought, only,
how'd i do that?
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1872[14:55:05] <f31n> eval "$(ssh-agent -s)"
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1873[14:55:05] <SanchoPensa> nothing there to chose from
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1879[14:56:53] <babilen> SanchoPensa: Which login manager do you
use?
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1892[15:02:35] <SanchoPensa> babilen: i have been trying to find
out exactly that, can you gie me a hiunt, how to finmd out, please?
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1894[15:02:49] <SanchoPensa> desktop would be mate?
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1895[15:02:56] <SanchoPensa> hell. mate...
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1898[15:03:51] <SanchoPensa> sorry for the many typos, but laptop
keyboard...
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1906[15:08:16] <babilen> SanchoPensa: What does "aptitude
search '~i~Px-display-manager'" give you?
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1908[15:08:58] <xrfang> hi there I found a strange thing that a
program's output (stdout/stderr) I started from rc.local is
sent to daemons.log and syslog, which caused disk space problem. But
if it is run directly from command line the output will not be
logged. Where can I configure this behavior? running debian 8.
thanks!
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1910[15:09:36] <petn-randall> xrfang: What kind of daemon is
this?
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1911[15:09:41] <petn-randall> err, program
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1916[15:12:57] <xrfang> petn-randall: it is a command line
program
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1917[15:13:07] <SanchoPensa> babilen: says: gdm3, lightdm, sddm
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1918[15:13:13] <xrfang> written in golan
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1919[15:13:36] <babilen> SanchoPensa: So, run
"dpkg-reconfigure gdm3" and select gdm3 as login manager
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1921[15:13:40] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what freaking sort of
command is that?? :D
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1922[15:13:55] <SanchoPensa> babilen, ill, thanks!
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1923[15:14:33] <babilen> It reconfigures the gdm3 package which
should bring up a dialog that allows you to choose the currently
used display manager
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1924[15:14:47] <babilen> (should work with every installed
display manager)
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1925[15:15:04] <SanchoPensa> babilen: nana, not that one... the
aptitude one, one previous to the gdm one
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1927[15:15:34] <SanchoPensa> the
'~i~Px-display-manager' one
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1928[15:16:01] <bitess> that's aptitude's search
syntax.
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1929[15:16:16] <babilen> That search for ~i → installed
packages that ~P → provide the 'x-display-manager'
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1931[15:16:45] <babilen> Please refer to the documentation so
kindly provided by bitess for even more madness :)
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1932[15:16:54] <SanchoPensa> ouh! aptitude regexps, so to speak!
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1934[15:17:04] <SanchoPensa> yeah! :D
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1935[15:17:12] <SanchoPensa> without a doubt! :D
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1936[15:17:31] <SanchoPensa> ok, i sitll got that same dull login
screen...
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1938[15:17:54] <SanchoPensa> and mate...
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1942[15:19:17] <shaga> I'm using the theme Raleigh, but for
some reason dialogue boxes and sliders do not appear on gui
application windows
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1943[15:19:25] <shaga> On xfce
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1946[15:20:52] <babilen> SanchoPensa: So .. you can choose
different desktops by clicking on the cog wheel
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1947[15:21:07] <SanchoPensa> babilen: what??
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1948[15:21:14] <SanchoPensa> come again, please?
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1949[15:21:54] <SanchoPensa> babilen: would you care to join me
in offtopic for a minute please?
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1966[15:27:51] <Iridos> I installed debian on an external drive
and told the installer to put grub on that drive, too. When I boot
now on that disk, I only get a cursor. I booted from the rescue
function of the install image into the partition… but
everything in grub I find seems to be autodetection… where is
the file I need to edit?
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1968[15:28:26] <Iridos> /etc/default/grub has nothing regarding
the disk it installs on… and /etc/grub.d/ has scripts I
don't see I want to touch
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1977[15:31:13] <Iridos> the cursor seems to suggest it's not
finding the grub entry at all… I should have made a separate
/boot, but just followed the guided partitioning
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1979[15:31:55] <thunar11> when I open thunar via sudo thunar, I
get: Thunar: "Failed to initialize Xfconf: Did not receive a
reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send
a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the
reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Error
creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark,
18)"
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1982[15:32:28] <Iridos> mmh. it's a 1tb file… and
legacy booting because I wasn't sure how stuff would go down
with uefi
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1983[15:32:36] <Iridos> bit late to make a /boot partition, I
fear
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1988[15:34:10] <thunar11> I also get this error message:
(thunar:2084): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer
instance (thunar:2084): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **:
g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion 'G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE
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1989[15:34:29] <f31n> rant: i solved it; i checked my startup
options on lxde, i enabled everything that has gnome in the name
like gnome software etc, now its working as it shoud - maybe i
disabled it 'centuries' ago when i tried to get in touch
with lxde the first time. Thanks a lot for telling my that the issue
is MY computer not a broken piece of software ;)
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1990[15:34:40] <SanchoPensa> babilen: whats a cog wheel?
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1991[15:35:20] <SanchoPensa> oh, i see. i dont have it
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1993[15:35:29] <SanchoPensa> where is it supposed to be?
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1995[15:39:21] <Iridos> thunar11, can you open any X11 windows
with sudo?
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1996[15:39:35] <TC`> I downloaded oracle jdk1.8u162*tar.gz .
Installed it with >>> update-alternatives --install
/usr/bin/java java /opt/jdk/jdk1.8.0_162/bin/java 1 <<< And
elasticsearch still says it cannot find the bin of java. Even when I
set JAVA_HOME="/opt/jdk/jdk1.8.0_162" in /etc/environment
and /et/cprofile . Has someone more ideas? ordinary user can see
whereis java etc.
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1997[15:40:03] <Iridos> meh. I installed the bootloader again
from the rescue disk and it works… why didn't it work
the first time in the effin installer, then
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1999[15:40:40] <TC`> I have a very strict network, cannot use
repositories.
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2000[15:41:04] <metastable> Then how do you apply security
patches?
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2001[15:41:08] <thunar11> @iridos don't know what you mean
by x11 windows
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2004[15:44:01] <TC`> metastable: if it is jdk related question
then the ansqear is mannual.
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2005[15:44:04] <TC`> y
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2006[15:44:17] <metastable> TC`: No, how do you apply security
patches to the system?
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2007[15:44:37] <metastable> You do it manually, by copying the
entire patch set via removable media?
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2008[15:44:46] <TC`> there is a service to forward those packages
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2009[15:45:02] <TC`> but it cannot be changed at this momment to
add new repos.
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2025[15:47:04] <deicide-> i have a problem with my laptop turning
on suspend after an hour when i'm watching a stream on twitch
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2026[15:47:31] <deicide-> how do i disable that completely?
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2034[15:51:41] <linurandy> why when i ran a movie from the
command line with optirun totem movie.mkv stucked or ran slowly?
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2039[15:52:44] <onyx> somepeoplehaveswitchtowaylandyet?
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2042[15:53:20] <bitess> someone stole your spacebar?
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2043[15:53:26] <onyx> problem with myback space xD
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2044[15:53:41] <onyx> ... a litllebit
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2046[15:54:05] <onyx> :)
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2047[15:54:23] <bogus-> My desktop is fedora with wayland ;-)
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2048[15:54:29] <bogus-> so in that case: yea I switched
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2056[15:56:53] <daemon> hey all I have an old linux box I need to
boot up to get some files from
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2059[15:57:05] <onyx> i ll try wayland for I3 desktop env
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2062[15:57:38] <daemon> the issue is when I spin it up as a VM
the nic does not appear to show up; 82545EM is what I emulating;
lspci on it says: 00:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation
82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) but there is nothing in
'ifconfig'
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2063[15:57:47] <daemon> the version is 6.0.10 / Squeeze
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2064[15:57:47] <Iridos> thunar11, stuff that opens a window
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2066[15:58:10] <thunar11> yeah
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2067[15:58:22] <thunar11> iridos: when I run sudo thunar, thunar
still launcheds
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2068[15:58:24] <thunar11> launches
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2069[15:59:03] <bogus-> daemon: what does ifconfig -a say?
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2070[15:59:50] <daemon> bogus-, 'lo'
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2071[15:59:54] <daemon> and thats all
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2072[16:00:28] <bogus-> is it possible to emulate another nic?
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2073[16:00:37] <daemon> bogus-, I can emulate an e1000 or virtio
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2074[16:00:52] <daemon> but neither appear to show up
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2076[16:02:02] <linurandy> why when i ran a movie from the
command line with optirun totem movie.mkv stucked or ran slowly?
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2082[16:03:22] <bogus-> daemon, I don't think those network
cards are supported by squeeze
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2087[16:04:14] <daemon> bogus-, seriously freedos supports the
e1000 lol
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2088[16:04:35] <teatime> yeah, e1000 should be for sure
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2089[16:05:41] <jelly> bogus-: even etch supports those, what use
is making virtual hardware if it's going to be incompatible
with OSes
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2090[16:05:58] <teatime> daemon: you're using kvm?
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2092[16:06:08] <daemon> teatime, bhyve
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2093[16:06:30] <daemon> ah ha got it
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2094[16:06:32] <daemon> that was bizzare
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2096[16:06:38] <teatime> do tell
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2097[16:06:44] <bogus-> indeed
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2099[16:06:49] <jelly> daemon: iface will get renamed if MAC
changes
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2101[16:06:53] <daemon> I force changed the mac address of the
card in the hypervisor config
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2102[16:06:56] <daemon> rebooted the VM
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2103[16:06:58] <jelly> !70
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2104[16:06:58] <dpkg> This is outdated, for Stretch see
replaced-url
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2106[16:07:05] <daemon> and now I have a 'eth1' showing
up in ifconfig
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2107[16:07:27] <daemon> but before hand I did not have eth0 in
ifconfig so, who knows -_-
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2108[16:08:25] <daemon> hmmm I wonder ...
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2111[16:08:47] <daemon> I think the way it was setup it just
randomly generated the mac each time that system booted
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2120[16:09:46] <daemon> oh well all working now, so lets see if
we can extract these files
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2121[16:10:18] <daemon> oh thank you bogus- and teatime ofc :)
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2122[16:12:02] <Iridos> thunar11, so what is it that doesn't
work
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2123[16:12:19] <thunar11> nothing
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2124[16:12:34] <thunar11> @iridos just don't know what the
error message means
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2125[16:12:50] <Iridos> if you don't miss functionality why
do you care
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2127[16:14:37] <Iridos> some stuff is probably trying to interact
with your usersession or possibly roots usersession… and
can't in the first case because of the user mismatch in the
second because root has no session
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2128[16:14:58] <Iridos> but errors/warnings are only useful when
they help you to solve problems
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2142[16:21:20] <Iridos> dpkg, autologin
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2143[16:21:20] <dpkg> If you want an insecure box that boots into
a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm
can if you really want them to. (But do you?) The <nodm>
package is a good way of automating this.
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2144[16:21:36] <Iridos> is there more details on how to automate
that with nodm somewhere?
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2150[16:24:25] <Tobit> Hello, I wish to follow the discussion on
the development of the machiotobin in #debian-arm. Would someone
please authorize this one to join? Thank you.
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2152[16:26:02] <somiaj> Tobit: #debian-arm is on a different irc
network, irc.oftc.net
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2154[16:26:28] <babilen> aka irc.debian.org
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2155[16:26:51] <bitSt0rm> Problem configuring i8kmon to work
properly, using Dell Inspiron 7000 Gaming Laptop 15' screen. Is
enable, active and running. Screenshot:
replaced-url
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2156[16:26:55] <Tobit> somiaj: Thank you very much.
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2160[16:27:37] <bitSt0rm> Oh yeah, when it reaches 60degC is the
only point fans kick in :S
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2172[16:34:18] <Phil-Work`> will Debian 9 ever get kernel >=
4.11 or will that only be available in Debian 10 (notwithstanding
backports)?
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2175[16:34:40] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Debian 9 is stable (i.e.
"not changing") so no
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2176[16:34:48] <Phil-Work`> ok, thanks
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2178[16:34:58] <babilen> I mean that's the very definition
of "stable"
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2179[16:35:15] <teatime> Iridos: it's really easy
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2180[16:35:19] <Phil-Work`> that's going to be a bit of a
balls for anyone wanting to run it on new Dell hardware :(
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2182[16:35:46] <teatime> Iridos: if you apt install nodm, it
should ask you all the relevant questions via debconf. if not, you
can always do `dpkg-reconfigure nodm`
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2184[16:36:33] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Just install a newer kernel
then
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2185[16:37:04] <Phil-Work`> babilen, the problem is lack of RAID
controller drivers so the installer doesn't work unless you
compile and load in the driver
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2186[16:37:19] <Phil-Work`> once it's booted, you can indeed
install 4.14 from backports
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2189[16:37:37] <Phil-Work`> but by that time you've
installed the driver anyway, so there's little need
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2192[16:38:58] <bitSt0rm> Phil-Work` do you run debian on dell
laptop?
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2193[16:39:17] <Phil-Work`> bitSt0rm, no - these are Gen14
servers
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2194[16:39:22] <jelly> Phil-Work`: filing a bug report to add
missing drivers to 4.9 is an option
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2197[16:39:30] <bitSt0rm> Oh ok
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2198[16:39:36] <Phil-Work`> jelly, I'll give it a punt
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2199[16:39:45] <thunar11> @iridos trying to interpret the message
to determine if there is an underlying problem
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2201[16:39:49] <Phil-Work`> looks like Ubuntu did it into their
LTS
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2203[16:39:57] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Huh, let me check .. we are
running stretch on some R740xd
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2204[16:40:10] <jelly> yeah, and they have HWE packs when
it's too hard to backport drivers
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2209[16:40:51] <Phil-Work`> babilen, Perc H740P is the issue
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2210[16:41:04] <Phil-Work`> H730 works OK
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2211[16:41:07] <babilen> Has Dell shipped new Intel microcode or
are we still in "Customers are testing new microcode in
production, before Intel releases it" mode?
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2212[16:41:20] <jelly> babilen: HPE has shipped and revoked.
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2213[16:41:24] <babilen> Phil-Work`: Yeah, I understood that
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2214[16:42:04] <babilen> Oh, guess I should check Dell's
website again after Intel published their update yesterday
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2215[16:42:10] <babilen> And already revoked? That was fast!
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2216[16:42:15] <petn-randall> AFAIK it's now been
re-revoked, as the issues were not caused by the update.
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2218[16:42:24] <babilen> Or are you referring to the revoke on
the 22nd?
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2219[16:42:26] <petn-randall> That's like today's news.
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2220[16:42:32] <babilen> (i.e. no no bad 2.7.0 on R730)
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2222[16:43:42] <babilen> Ah ..
replaced-url
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2223[16:43:56] <babilen> Checked yesterday and there wasn't
anything
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2225[16:47:04] <bitSt0rm> Hi all. I have a problem setting up
i8kmon to work properly, using Dell Inspiron 7000 Gaming Laptop
(15inch). Is enabled and active (systemctl). Screenshot:
replaced-url
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2230[16:49:25] <BanHammor> hi, so general question: should i
count on having env in /bin/env or /usr/bin/env?
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2231[16:49:43] <jelly> the latter
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2234[16:50:36] <teatime> iirc it's not specified by e.g.
POSIX, but /usr/bin/env is at least a practical, de facto standard
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2235[16:51:12] <BanHammor> hm
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2237[16:51:22] <BanHammor> okay then
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2262[17:06:17] <bitSt0rm> If anyone uses or have ever used
i8kmon, please ping me (I will be in debt to you for eternity haha)
--afk
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2268[17:09:43] <annadane> bitSt0rm, sorry for the ping when i
don't use it but why don't you ask your question and
someone may be able to answer it
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2269[17:09:45] <annadane> !anyone
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2270[17:09:45] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2274[17:11:55] <onyx> @teatime with new "stable"
kernel.org version compiled with .config in the boot directories the
debian buster not boot
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2276[17:13:03] <onyx> i think i need more initramfs documentation
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2278[17:13:22] <teatime> onyx: are you following the debian
method for compiling a kernel package?
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2280[17:14:06] <teatime> (also, I will forego the obvious
question of "do you have any need/reason to compile a custom
kernel", and assume you do.)
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2287[17:16:50] <onyx> @teatime maybe not :$ , I discovered kernel
compilation the first time on gentoo, have you link or irc for do it
in debian way ?
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2294[17:19:32] <metastable> The Debian way is "don't,
unless you have a very compelling technical requirement."
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2295[17:19:56] <onyx> @teatime for (also, I will forego the
obvious question of "do you have any need/reason to compile a
custom kernel", and assume you do.)
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2296[17:20:01] <thms> onyx,
replaced-url
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2300[17:21:22] <onyx> i love the lego or mecano and patch some
kernel
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2303[17:22:39] <metastable> Also, this isn't Twitter, Slack,
Telegram, Chatter, or anything similar. Prepending someone's
name with @ breaks name highlighting and therefore does the opposite
of what you want.
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2310[17:25:40] <onyx> @teatime Ok , i agree ..
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2311[17:25:41] <metastable> onyx: It sounds like you have no need
to build a custom kernel, so stick with the kernel that ships. Also,
you're running testing, which isn't supported here, and is
expected to break at random by nature of what it is.
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2320[17:28:22] <onyx> @teatime today i m not good enough for
build my own kernel
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2322[17:28:45] <annadane> yeah if it's new features you want
testing will have newer kernels anyway
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2323[17:29:20] <onyx> oops
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2327[17:34:29] <DammitJim> how do I know where the packages I
have in my system came from?
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2328[17:34:46] <DammitJim> I suspect I changed my sources.list at
some point from debian to virtualbox
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2329[17:34:55] <DammitJim> and I have broken some stuff.. but not
sure
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2330[17:35:07] <thms> DammitJim, dpkg -l
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2331[17:35:20] <DammitJim> rc virtualbox-5.0
5.0.40-115130~Debian~jessie amd64 Oracle VM VirtualBox
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2332[17:35:20] <DammitJim> ii virtualbox-5.1
5.1.32-120294~Debian~jessie amd64 Oracle VM VirtualBox
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2333[17:35:22] <DammitJim> sorry
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2334[17:35:33] <DammitJim> where do I go next to find out the
source?
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2336[17:36:47] <jelly> those look like upstream packages yes
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2337[17:36:48] <onyx> initramfs take my bollocks in his hands ^^!
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2340[17:37:28] <jelly> DammitJim: "apt-cache policy
virtualbox-5.1" if the source is still configured
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2343[17:38:05] <DammitJim> interesting, jelly !
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2344[17:38:14] <DammitJim> 500
replaced-url
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2345[17:38:27] <DammitJim> does that mean that this URL
doesn't work anymore?
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2346[17:38:46] <jelly> it means about the opposite of that
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2347[17:38:58] <DammitJim> LOL
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2349[17:39:12] <DammitJim> ok, so that is the true source, nice
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2350[17:39:34] <jelly> assuming that's under Candidate:
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2352[17:39:41] <DammitJim> man, then I don't understand why
on this new server, I can't find virtualbox-guest-dkms
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2353[17:39:52] <DammitJim> but I can find it on the older server
*sigh*
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2361[17:44:05] <DammitJim> thanks for the hint jelly... apt-cache
policy ;)
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2367[17:48:09] <jelly> (yeah, there's a reason why bot asks
for that stuff in !basic apt troubleshooting)
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2368[17:48:19] <DammitJim> !basic apt
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2369[17:48:22] <jelly> !bat
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2370[17:48:22] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2371[17:48:51] <jelly> that thing which people REALLY don't
like to answer
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2372[17:49:14] <jelly> because OMG LOTS OF INFO JUST TELL ME HOW
TO FIX
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2373[17:49:29] <DammitJim> next time I'll ask apt
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2415[18:16:10] <BanHammor> hey...so i wanna set up
ActiveDir-based user auth and groups. The debian guide recommends I
set up like 5 different packages. Why do I need to set up Samba for
this?
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2421[18:17:21] <jelly> BanHammor: start with realmd, see if
that's good enough for your purposes
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2425[18:19:52] <jelly> BanHammor: and try sssd route first before
(samba's) winbind
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2432[18:22:23] <BanHammor> aight, thanks.
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2438[18:24:13] <guzzlefry> howdy
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2439[18:25:13] <treadhead> guzzlefry: hello
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2440[18:25:16] <ArsenArsen> I've seen some Gentoo security
mailing lists about clamav some time ago, but no mention of it in
Debian, was it not affected?
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2441[18:25:33] <guzzlefry> I've noticed that all executables
under /usr/bin have an ACL rule that removes rwx from the
replaced-url
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2442[18:25:41] <ArsenArsen> Late 2017 that is, it involved
arbitrary code execution etc
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2449[18:28:09] <guzzlefry> I'm trying to determine if
someone manually set those ACL rules.
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2457[18:31:04] <Rembo> i'm getting this: screen:
loadlocale.c:129: nl_intern_locale_data: Assertion `cnt < (sizeof
(nl_value_type_LC_TIME) / sizeof (_nl_value_type_LC_TIME[0]))'
failed.
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2460[18:32:20] <ioc__> Rembo, that is a bug, report with the
steps to reproduce
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2461[18:32:35] <ioc__> close/reopen screen
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2465[18:34:00] <Rembo> ioc__ i'm gettiing this after i try
to install gcc 7
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2466[18:34:17] <Rembo> ioc__ what shall i do to reinstall my old
version of gcc or to fix this issue?
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2474[18:35:27] <Rembo> ioc__ , i'm getting this on every
command i try
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2479[18:39:28] <BanHammor> how exactly did you go about
installing gcc7, Rembo>
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2482[18:40:29] <Rembo> BanHammor, via apt-get install gcc7
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2484[18:41:27] <Rembo> i'm getting this on everyone command
i try to run: loadlocale.c:129: _nl_intern_locale_data: Assertion
`cnt < (sizeof (_nl_value_type_LC_TIME) / sizeof
(_nl_value_type_LC_TIME[0]))' failed.
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2485[18:41:27] <Rembo> Aborted
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2487[18:42:19] <treadhead> if im running purely CLI how can i
find out what speed my CPU is running at?
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2491[18:43:54] <BanHammor> im guessing that something broke glibc
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2494[18:44:33] <snow__> hi
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2495[18:44:43] <treadhead> snow__: hello
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2496[18:45:42] <snow__> So long story short im new to linux and
just installed a new linux distro and i would like to know how i
mount my one of my partiotions
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2500[18:46:41] <treadhead> i answered my own question, its lscpu
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2501[18:46:45] <mhicklen> snow__, run ``sudo lsblk`` to list your
block devices and partitions
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2504[18:47:41] <snow__> ohh okay its sad5 i want to mount :)
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2505[18:47:47] <snow__> sda5*
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2511[18:49:26] <snow__> hmmm i somehow fixed it than you
treadhead :)
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2518[18:51:16] <ioc__> Rembo, BanHammor looks like
replaced-url
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2519[18:51:24] <jelly> Rembo: which debian release is this
supposed to be?
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2523[18:52:00] <jelly> Rembo: because it vaguely sounds like
you're mixing different releases, that can break things and is
a big no-no
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2525[18:53:14] <jelly> Rembo: did you save the output of that
gcc7 installation (attempt)?
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2527[18:54:26] <guzzlefry> So, can anyone with nginx installed
confirm that special ACL rules exist for the
replaced-url
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2529[18:54:46] <guzzlefry> nginx installed on 9.1 that is
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2531[18:55:26] <mhicklen> are you talking about php-fpm acls for
usernames nginx/apache/replaced-url
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2556[19:09:42] <guzzlefry> mhall119: Possibly. I'm just
wondering if that's a Debian thing or if the admin here set it.
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2559[19:11:23] <guzzlefry> whoops, wrong person
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2560[19:11:38] <guzzlefry> mhicklen: Possibly. I'm just
wondering if that's a Debian thing or if the admin here set it.
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2565[19:16:02] <mhicklen> hm?
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2566[19:16:04] <mhicklen> oh
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2568[19:16:20] <mhicklen> well php-fpm has this default acl in
its
replaced-url
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2579[19:19:03] <lizzzy> Can someone pastebin "ls -hal
/"?
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2580[19:19:16] <mhicklen> which version
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2582[19:19:35] <lizzzy> I'm on debian sid.
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2584[19:20:04] <mhicklen> here's 9:
replaced-url
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2591[19:22:13] <stripe> hi all, how large does the unencrypted
boot partition need to be for an encrypted install? cheers
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2593[19:22:28] <lizzzy> mhicklen: can you "ls -hal
/boot"?
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2594[19:22:44] <rudi_s> stripe: I'd use ~ 512 MiB or so.
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2595[19:22:51] <rudi_s> It must fit all kernels and their
initrds.
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2596[19:22:52] <sh0kx> stripe: just be sure that you will leave
enough space for kernel
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2598[19:22:55] <rudi_s> Which can get quite big.
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2601[19:23:57] <stripe> thanks guys, will try a test setup with
the 512MiB and see what thats like, cheers
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2605[19:25:38] <elnegro> hi everybody, question: i have debian
running xen (host) and when update-grub is executed (after apt-get
update for example) a lot of entries are made in the menu, one for
each lvm volume of my virtual machines..is there any way to skip
adding such partitions to the boot menu? thanx
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2607[19:30:07] <mhicklen> lizzzy: sorry
replaced-url
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2611[19:31:47] <lizzzy> mhicklen: Thanks you, that solved an
issue I created. :)
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2614[19:32:28] <dutchfish> elnegro, in /etc/default/grub set
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
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2616[19:32:48] <dutchfish> elnegro, then run update-grub again
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2619[19:33:27] <Rembo> jelly:
replaced-url
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2622[19:34:34] <jelly> Rembo: so you're mixing experimental
with Debian 8. That won't fly.
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2623[19:34:53] <Rembo> jelly: can i reverse the process ?
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2624[19:35:09] <jelly> Rembo: if you have backups, you can
restore the system to previous state
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2626[19:35:18] <elnegro> thanks, dutchfish
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2627[19:35:24] <dutchfish> elnegro, yw
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2628[19:35:38] <Rembo> jelly, i don't have backup :(
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2630[19:36:48] <jelly> Rembo: if you don't, and dpkg command
also fails in the same way, you'll have to boot from a debian
or debian-based live image, and replace the package versions of
glibc stuff from what was upgraded back to jessie
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2631[19:37:08] <jelly> Rembo: why do you not have backup? If this
system is not important, just reinstall
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2632[19:37:11] <rakor> Hey there what is the advantage of
kvm/qemu compared to VBox?
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2636[19:37:48] <rakor> Having tested both it seems to me as
kvm/qemu is much more fiddeling
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2640[19:38:12] <rakor> VBox just works, bringing guest-additions
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2642[19:38:18] <Rembo> jelly, it is a production server
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2643[19:38:27] <Rembo> it is very important
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2646[19:42:00] <mtn> Rembo: Not having backups means you
don't care about losing your personal files and settings.
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2648[19:42:13] <jelly> "production server" doesn't
sound "personal"
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2653[19:43:15] <jelly> Rembo: boot a live image and MAKE a
backup. Then carefully downgrade affected packages.
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2654[19:43:49] <jelly> Rembo: does dpkg command work? Do you
still have a root shell open?
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2657[19:45:11] <Agiofws> hello
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2658[19:46:50] <jelly> Rembo: is that all the output you have
saved or is there more?
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2659[19:46:58] <Agiofws> i'me getting a "start job is
not ready... on /dev/foo and it stalls for 90 secs" i suspect
that my swap partition is not mounted can you help me debug this?
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2661[19:47:32] <Agiofws> where should check in etc fstab ?
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2662[19:48:48] <Agiofws>
UUID=ec93442b-66eb-499b-a2de-15335a66638a none swap sw 0 0
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2663[19:49:05] <Agiofws> does that line issue that swap is not
getting mounted?
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2673[19:54:28] <mhicklen> does that uuid match your swap area
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2674[19:54:43] <mhicklen> what device and partition is your swap
area on Agiofws
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2675[19:54:51] <mhicklen> id like to see something like
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2676[19:54:56] <mhicklen> blkid -p /dev/sdb3
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2678[19:55:01] <mhicklen> where sdb = your swap parition
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2681[19:55:44] <mhicklen> you could also just not use swap,
it's 2018 :)
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2684[19:56:26] <Agiofws> mhicklen,
replaced-url
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2685[19:56:35] <mhicklen> ok sda5 is swap
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2686[19:56:39] <mhicklen> blkid -p /dev/sda5
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2688[19:56:45] <mhicklen> compare the UUID there to the fstab
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2689[19:56:51] <hypn0> is that new for 2018, no swap partition
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2690[19:57:01] <mhicklen> no swap was a thing back in 2009 for me
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2692[19:57:06] <Agiofws> mhicklen, this is my issue
replaced-url
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2693[19:57:32] <mhicklen> here at work we have debian 7 boxen in
colocation where we use swap, one swapped the other day and it took
forever to do anything with it. may well have just rebooted it. no
oom killer :(
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2695[19:57:54] <mhicklen> Agiofws: do you have systemd swap swt
up
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2696[19:57:56] <mhicklen> set*
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2697[19:58:07] <Agiofws> mhicklen,
replaced-url
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2699[19:58:18] <Agiofws> mhicklen, is that a service ?
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2700[19:58:22] <mhicklen> yes
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2701[19:58:27] <mhicklen> Agiofws:
UUID=ec93442b-66eb-499b-a2de-15335a66638a none swap sw 0 0
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2702[19:58:33] <mhicklen> vs d6a0b800-6b58-43a8-a3db-8b7a79bf4cbc
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2703[19:58:36] <mhicklen> does not match.
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2704[19:58:41] <mhicklen> edit fstab and change it to
UUID=d6a0b800-6b58-43a8-a3db-8b7a79bf4cbc
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2705[19:58:45] <mhicklen> (no quote marks)
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2706[19:58:58] <mhicklen>
UUID=d6a0b800-6b58-43a8-a3db-8b7a79bf4cbc none swap sw 0 0
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2707[19:59:01] <mhicklen> then boot it up.
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2708[19:59:20] <snow__> hi
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2709[20:00:34] <snow__> how do i know what debian version i have?
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2711[20:00:49] <mhicklen> lsb_release -a
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2715[20:01:22] <snow__> lsb_release -a
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2725[20:03:48] <jelly> !debian suite
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2726[20:03:49] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release
-sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the
distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab
almost all distributions.
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2733[20:05:18] <snow__> Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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2735[20:05:24] <snow__> thank you jelly :D
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2737[20:06:02] <jelly> Rembo: if that was the start of actually
installing stuff, you probably have libc6 from jessie but locales
from experimental. purging locales-all might be a good start, but
since you don't have a working dpkg, you absolutely need to
boot into a working system
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2744[20:07:24] <jelly> Rembo: feel free to /msg me if you want
paid help fixing this; however, given no backup and Friday night
I'm not going to be cheap
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2748[20:08:54] <brw> hrm. very important production server and no
backups...
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2749[20:09:09] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2756[20:10:50] <mcgreg> hi
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2764[20:12:25] <mcgreg> I am using debian/kde - and k3b tells me
my locale is my "System locale charset is ANSI_X3.4-1968"
while locale tells me it is "en_US.UTF-8" - anyone else
experienced such a problem? is this rather a bug from k3b or is my
configuration kind of broken?
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2780[20:19:39] <somiaj> mcgreg: might depend on the shell, when
you run locale, you run this in a terminal of some sorts right? Or
do you run it in a tty?
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2785[20:22:11] <mcgreg> somiaj: I ran locale as user and as root
from bash - both exactly same results.
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2788[20:23:00] <jelly> mcgreg: well system locale might really be
C and your user's en_US.UTF-8, what's the issue
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2789[20:23:19] <jelly> depending on how you opened that root
shell locale might be inherited
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2790[20:23:24] <mcgreg> somiaj: just checked something. when I
start k3b from the menu I get that "warning" that locale
is set to ANSI_X3.4-1968 - when I start k3b from bash I dont get
that error
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2793[20:24:16] <mcgreg> jelly: chaged to tty2 , logged in as root
and did the same, locale report the same
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2794[20:24:22] <jelly> mcgreg: you can start if from menu,
don't let it quit, find that process' pid, then look at
/proc/PID/environ
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2795[20:25:46] <jelly> mcgreg: that file has \0 delimited
entries, so use something like: cat /proc/$$/environ | tr
'\0' '\n'
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2800[20:26:52] <mcgreg> hmmm starnge -> LANGUAGE=en but later
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
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2803[20:27:04] <tw> Odd conflict.
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2806[20:27:25] <tw> mcgreg: For just the one user, you should be
able to set LANG=whatever in .xsessionrc if you're using
graphical login.
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2807[20:27:43] <tw> or .profile
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2809[20:28:29] <jelly> mcgreg: and none of those are
ANSI_X3.4-1968
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2810[20:28:52] <mcgreg> well, it tells me it is ANSI_X3.4-1968
because it probably isnt set
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2811[20:29:04] <descuidado> excuse me, how can i run a script
before login? aka when the os boots, its for my screen display, for
some reason debian doesnt recognize my monitor and i been using
xrandr on .profile, i've also tried using .bashrc, they both
jsut work after login...
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2813[20:29:43] <mcgreg> but - if LANGUAGE=en but later
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 it probably means somewhere
"LANG=de_DE.UTF-8" is set - and I have no idea where
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2816[20:31:07] <tw> descuidado: which login manager are you
using?
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2818[20:33:03] <descuidado> tw gdm3
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2820[20:33:20] <tw> descuidado: add to /etc/gdm3/Init/display
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2821[20:33:22] <tw>
replaced-url
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2823[20:33:49] <descuidado> tw, there's only 1 file named
Default there
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2824[20:33:59] <tw> descuidado: Okay, use that one.
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2826[20:34:28] <descuidado> tw, sorry for my lack of knowledge,
but do i just put the commands there?
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2827[20:34:33] <descuidado> at the last line?
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2829[20:35:16] <somiaj> mcgreg: it might be a different from a
login() shell and interactive shell, they parse differnt files. It
could also be a factor of the Xsession you are using, that alos
parses different files, so the locale may not be setup in the shell
that is running kde correctly
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2830[20:35:17] <tw> That should work, but I don't know for
sure.
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2835[20:36:07] <somiaj> mcgreg: but when you load an interactive
shell, the .bashrc (or whatever file) get parsed and sets the user
local.
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2839[20:39:43] <somiaj> mcgreg: the hammer approach, run
dpkg-reconfigure locales, and set the default locale -- though in
many cases it is suggested to set that to 'none' to let
different users set their own locale.
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2844[20:41:46] <erasmus> I just got this old terminal server and
I'd like to hook it up to a remote debian server I have but
it's on an old mac mini. Anyone know any guides for doing that?
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2849[20:43:36] <somiaj> ericnoan:what do you mean by 'hook
it up', I think ssh should still work, its been a standard
around for a long time now.
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2854[20:45:34] <erasmus> well I want to send the output from
serial
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2855[20:45:43] <erasmus> I have a usb to serial convertor
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2856[20:45:48] <erasmus> and that's how it hooks up
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2858[20:45:58] <erasmus> and then I can ssh into the little
terminal server.
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2859[20:46:09] <somiaj> I'm not that familar with serial
terminals, others maybe able to give better help.
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2870[20:52:41] <tw> Does the "old terminal server" have
a serial port?
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2873[20:54:20] <erasmus> yes
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2874[20:54:25] <erasmus> 4 of them
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2875[20:54:35] <erasmus> but it has a web interface and you can
also ssh to it
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2876[20:54:54] <erasmus> I'll figure it out.
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2877[20:54:56] <tw> Oh, it's already letting you log in on
the serial port?
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2878[20:55:14] <erasmus> nah it needs to be told
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2879[20:55:22] <erasmus> to output to it
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2882[20:56:50] <tw> If it's linux, you should be able to set
`console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8` as linux boot parameters.
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2883[20:57:11] <JackK> Can anyone recommend a debian-compatible
802.11ac wifi adapter?
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2884[20:57:32] <tw> I think if you set it as console, systemd
automatically starts a getty instance on it, but I could be
mistaken.
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2893[21:01:16] <no_gravity> What is the best way to install a
minimal Debian in VirtualBox? I only need a terminal.
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2894[21:01:22] <deicide-> how can i access shared drives from my
nas?
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2896[21:02:08] <BenNZ> no_gravity: use the netinstall media
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2897[21:02:17] <no_gravity> BenNZ: Whare is it?
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2900[21:02:46] <no_gravity> BenNZ: This?
replaced-url
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2901[21:02:47] <tw> no_gravity: any installer will do, just turn
off all of the package selection options when it asks.
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2904[21:03:12] <BenNZ> no_gravity: that should do
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2905[21:04:11] <no_gravity> BenNZ: But what do I click on?
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2906[21:04:58] <BenNZ> no_gravity: whichever suits your needs
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2908[21:05:26] <teatime> no_gravity: e.g., for amd64,
replaced-url
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2909[21:05:56] <mcgreg> I have found that other programs actually
also have LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 which means this is somewhere set - in
this case thunderbird . can you perhaps tell me where locales are
looked up?
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2910[21:06:04] <no_gravity> teatime: Ok, trying that one.
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2912[21:06:30] <teatime> no_gravity: will be just fine for VMs.
for physical hardware, though, especially newer stuff and
laptops/netbooks, you will probably want to use the
"unofficial" cd "with firmware" instead.
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2913[21:06:33] <mcgreg> jelly: btw, thx a lot for the trick
"/proc/PID/environ" :) that helped a lot
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2915[21:07:05] <somiaj> mcgreg: it totally dependson the shell,
and what files it parses when it is started.
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2917[21:07:17] <somiaj> mcgreg: or via dpkg-reconfigure locales
to set system defaults
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2919[21:08:02] <somiaj> mcgreg: as in there are lots of different
places a user could set the locale
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2922[21:09:08] <jhutchins> no_gravity: For a truely minimal
install debootstrap. Don't forget to add a kernel.
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2932[21:11:10] <tw> and probably a bootloader, I don't
recall that being default.
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2933[21:11:48] <jelly> it is default.
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2934[21:12:06] <jelly> um, with d-i, not with debootstrap
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2935[21:13:07] <jelly> no_gravity: but if you're building
for a vm guest, might also try vmdebootstrap or vmdb2 (I don't
know how well either work)
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2936[21:13:31] <jelly> ,v vmdb2
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2937[21:13:32] <judd> No package named 'vmdb2' was
found in amd64.
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2938[21:14:23] <mcgreg> where are "export" -variables
stored?
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2939[21:14:50] <mhicklen> in your environment
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2940[21:14:53] <mhicklen> run 'env'
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2941[21:14:54] <teatime> ah yeah, vmdb2, was looking at that
recently, seemed nice. not packaged yet, but it's in the works.
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2942[21:15:04] <mhicklen> also, /etc/profile usually
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2943[21:15:19] <mhicklen> export = a command to set a variable on
the current shell and all new shells opened underneath it
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2944[21:15:54] <teatime> mcgreg: in the environment of a specific
shell/process, and it propagates down to its children. they can be
configured quite a number of different places, w/ (sometimes subly)
varying effects & for different reasons.
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2946[21:16:06] <teatime> mcgreg: do you ask for a particular
reason?
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2948[21:17:26] <mcgreg> teatime: well, export tells me
LANG="de_DE.UTF-8" - while .bashrc is set LANG=en_US.UTF-8
- how ios that possible?
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2953[21:18:43] <teatime> mcgreg: if you want to set that in e.g.
.bashrc, you'd need the "export" keyword. Also, there
are several bash/shell startup files; your .bashrc may not be
sourced when you think it is, or may be getting overridden by
another.
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2954[21:19:00] <teatime> mcgreg: the `locale` command is handy
for seeing your language and locale -related settings at a glance.
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2958[21:20:39] <mcgreg> teatime:
replaced-url
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2962[21:21:47] <simbalion> Hi, could someone explain to me why
/var/replaced-url
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2963[21:21:58] <tw> mcgreg: did you try `dpkg-reconfigure
locales` as was suggested?
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2967[21:22:21] <jelly> simbalion: /var/replaced-url
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2969[21:22:49] <simbalion> jelly: Data rather than programs? what
does /var stand for, if anything?
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2970[21:23:08] <jelly> !fhs
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2971[21:23:09] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy
Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application.
This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a
read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See
replaced-url
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2972[21:23:12] <mcgreg> tw: I did that before I joined here
already - that was my first approach
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2973[21:23:45] <simbalion> jelly: Thanks! I am familiar with it
mostly but my knowledge is like 30 years old
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2977[21:24:48] <digdilem> tbf, it hasn't changed much in 30
years :)
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2978[21:24:55] <simbalion> Hrm, according to that wiki
/usr/local/ would be a suitable place to put html also,
"tertiary hierarchy for local data specific to this host"
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2979[21:25:03] <tw> mcgreg: at some point, I'd try grep -RF
'de_DE.UTF-8' /etc | grep 'LANG.*='
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2980[21:25:35] <simbalion> it says /var is intended for files
which are expected to change frequently but really, website files
usually aren't frequently changed, except during development
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2982[21:26:22] <mcgreg> tw
replaced-url
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2983[21:26:35] <jelly> simbalion: if you treat each website as a
separate service it might even make sense to have eg. /srv/replaced-url
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2984[21:27:05] <simbalion> so my confusion is the same as
before.. it seems to me that /var/replaced-url
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2986[21:27:28] <tw> mcgreg: same thing with your home directory
instead of /etc?
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2987[21:27:34] <simbalion> I know I can simply change it but I
try not to mess with the standard deployment much
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2988[21:27:43] <jelly> simbalion: /usr/local is for locally
managed apps. No need to put _more_ crap there
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2990[21:28:05] <jelly> and /var/replaced-url
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2992[21:28:53] <jelly> my personal preference is directories for
each VirtualHosts under /var/replaced-url
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2993[21:28:55] <simbalion> jelly: Well I'm thinking of this
from a hosting standpoint, and from that perspective placing a
customer's website data in the local dir makes some sense..
honestly it seems to me that local never gets used these days... I
use it on my personal workstations for apps that require manual
installations, but otherwise it seems under-utilized to me
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2994[21:29:06] <tw> simbalion: It's administrator
preference. For example, my /var is noexec,nosuid,nodev but that
would not work for /usr. I also have no files in /usr that are not
owned by root:root
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2997[21:30:03] <jelly> simbalion: if it's not used, it means
you didn't have to install crap locally and bypass the package
manager. This is usually good.
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3001[21:31:26] <simbalion> a fair point
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3003[21:31:40] <simbalion> that would suggest it's a
pristine sacred place that should usually remain untouched :)
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3004[21:32:25] <jelly> depends on how well your repos serve your
needs
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3005[21:32:31] <simbalion> but if I think of a comparison it
seems to me it would be like :/program\ files/ on a windows system,
where all non-default-system apps would go
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3006[21:33:08] <simbalion> but I guess /opt is used for that more
frequently
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3008[21:34:07] <simbalion> maybe the fhs needs modernizing, it
seems like there's more than one way to do some things but not
because that's necessary, which means there's room to
tighten up the standard
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3011[21:34:23] <teatime> the "best" place for that kind
of data, IMHO, is /srv ... wherever under /srv you like, because
/srv is reserved just for the local administrator and site data
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3012[21:34:34] <teatime> /var/replaced-url
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3013[21:34:52] <teatime> /usr/local is not a good place at all.
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3015[21:35:31] <teatime> simbalion: Just read the Linux FHS
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3018[21:36:38] <no_gravity> What are the 'standard system
utilities'? Should I install them?
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3019[21:37:19] <jelly> no_gravity: if you want a minimal system,
no
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3020[21:37:30] <no_gravity> jelly: ok
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3022[21:37:45] <no_gravity> jelly: But I will have apt-get so I
can install whatever I like, right?
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3023[21:37:48] <jelly> right
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3024[21:37:52] <no_gravity> Awesome.
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3025[21:37:57] <jelly> you'll basically only have apt :-)
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3027[21:38:17] <no_gravity> :)
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3028[21:38:46] <jelly> ,depends task-standard
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3029[21:38:47] <judd> No package named 'task-standard'
was found in stretch/amd64.
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3030[21:39:05] <no_gravity> I got a blue screen ...
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3031[21:39:28] <no_gravity> It continued :)
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3036[21:42:17] <simbalion> I have another question I'd like
to solicit opinions about.. Currently I configure servers like:
/var/replaced-url
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3037[21:42:19] <simbalion> files (requiring a lot more labor such
as reconfiguring the webserver)
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3041[21:43:14] <simbalion> My thought is that with the second
method I can run scripts that scan servers for /var/replaced-url
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3042[21:44:14] <mcgreg> teatime jelly somiaj found it ->
/home/mcgreg/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh was set wrong. thank
very much!
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3043[21:44:21] <no_gravity> Ok, I got Debian now. I cannot wget
stuff via https because it seems there are not CAs on the system?
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3044[21:44:58] <Wilawar> Hi. I have put a live image on a thumb
drive and it seemed to work reasonably well. (I got screen
flickering under some circumstances and so on, but I’ll tackle
that later. It’s a NV98 (G 105M) which was driven by Nouveau
here. No issues under Vista.)
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3048[21:46:52] <no_gravity> Ok, ca-certificates.
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3049[21:47:12] <no_gravity> I wonder why the text of the debian
terminal is grey on black.
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3050[21:47:18] <Wilawar> I’d like to turn the live system
into a permanent one now. I’ve already set up an ext4
partition from within the live system. (Which turned the FAT32
partition unreadable from Windows. :/) \
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3051[21:47:18] <no_gravity> How do I change it to white on black?
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3055[21:47:59] <Wilawar> \ I have read the German version of
replaced-url
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3067[21:56:49] <no_gravity> Hello! I installed a minimal debian
in VirtualBox. The terminal font is grey on black. How can I change
it to white?
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3076[22:07:46] <jelly> no_gravity: setterm --bold on --store
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3077[22:08:21] <jelly> (that grey _is_ called white :-)
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3078[22:08:37] <no_gravity> This magically changed to color to
green: printf '\e{38;5;10m'
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3079[22:08:39] <no_gravity> Green is ok :)
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3080[22:08:56] <Iridos> 50 shades of white?
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3083[22:09:19] <jelly> no_gravity: avoid using hardcoded escape
codes.
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3085[22:10:03] <jelly> you'll be on some other terminal type
some day and it will wreak havoc
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3090[22:12:04] <jelly> use tput
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3091[22:12:35] <tw> you can futz around with vt's defaults
with kernel params too, fyi.
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3093[22:14:38] <Wilawar> “Regardless of the type of Debian
Installer included, d-i can be launched from the Desktop by clicking
on an icon.” Ah, huh! Will try that, I guess.
replaced-url
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3094[22:14:41] <jelly> no_gravity: or install openssh-server and
log in via ssh like normal people, instead of using the horribly
slow fb console
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3096[22:16:18] <jelly> the console is there for emergencies,
it's not optimized for full time use at all
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3098[22:17:02] <jelly> even running a full screen xterm and
nothing else inside X is a LOT better
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3103[22:19:27] <no_gravity> jelly: 'fb console'?
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3104[22:19:55] <jelly> framebuffer console
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3105[22:20:08] <no_gravity> I see. SSHing into the VM is an idea.
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3107[22:20:47] <jelly> and then you can start it with
VBoxHeadless automatically as a service
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3110[22:20:58] <teatime> I need a simple tool to concat together
several PDFs into one
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3113[22:21:24] <no_gravity> jelly: I see. Well, I just wanted to
test a command line utility. Done already.
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3114[22:21:45] <tw> teatime: gs will do it, but I can't say
it's friendly to use.
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3115[22:21:57] <jelly> teatime: pdfunite, poppler-utils
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3116[22:22:07] <jelly> never tried it.
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3118[22:22:51] <towo`> pdftk should even do that
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3122[22:23:37] <tw> pdftk has the easiest syntax I've found,
but the results can be sketch =/
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3125[22:23:53] <tw> pdftk 1.pdf 2.pdf cat output out.pdf
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3127[22:24:04] <jelly> meow
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3133[22:26:41] <Iridos> teatime, ah, cool, I'll try
that… and I guess the account doesn't have to be
passwordless… that'd be as wished
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3135[22:27:19] <Iridos> I from the nodm factoid, I thought nodm
usually does some other stuff
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3137[22:28:29] <teatime> Iridos: you don't have to do any of
the stuff from the factoid (except set graphical as default target)
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3138[22:28:48] <teatime> Iridos: because when you
dpkg-reconfigure nodm it will select it as the active DM and disable
any others you may have installed.
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3147[22:32:59] <Iridos> yeah, just did that… booting to
see how it works
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3152[22:34:13] <Iridos> meh, only that shutdown and reboot are
also flakey on that laptop
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3158[22:36:05] <Iridos> teatime, urgh, but it logged me in as
root
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3159[22:36:10] <bgnr> Hi, can somebody point me to a latest
debian distro that has gcc in it, so i can build a wifi usb dongle
firmware to have net
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3161[22:36:35] <bgnr> I tried the latest firmware dvd iso and it
didnt had gcc, i was unable to buil the driver
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3162[22:36:45] <jhutchins> !gcc
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3163[22:36:45] <dpkg> The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) is a
compiler system supporting various programming languages. In order
to change which version it should use, "export
CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are
not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see
/usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>.
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3168[22:37:17] <bgnr> machine is isolated, only connectable
trough usb or wifi usb
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3170[22:37:33] <ni291187> hoje
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3171[22:37:43] <bgnr> hoje is today
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3173[22:37:50] <bgnr> in my home language :P
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3174[22:38:05] <ni291187> hoje
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3175[22:38:23] <jhutchins> bgnr: So what you're really
asking for is which disk has gcc and dependencies on it.
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3176[22:38:29] <bgnr> yep
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3177[22:38:31] <bgnr> :)
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3178[22:38:34] <ni291187> olá
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3179[22:38:37] <bgnr> olá :P
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3180[22:38:45] <ni291187> Pt?
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3181[22:38:59] <bgnr> So i can build that driver, and afterwards
get internet connection to the machine
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3182[22:39:04] <jhutchins> bgnr: What's on which disk is a
perpetually difficult question.
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3183[22:39:08] <jhutchins> !pt
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3184[22:39:08] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em
portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join
#debian-pt )
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3185[22:39:13] <bgnr> Olá, sim sou Português
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3186[22:39:50] <bgnr> jhutchins , do you have any idea of a
distro that has it
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3187[22:39:59] <bgnr> i mean a debian version
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3188[22:40:13] <ni291187> Boa estou á procura de kalilinux
Chanel. sabes qual é?
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3189[22:40:22] <bgnr> I really wanted to try debian, since i
recently moved to linux
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3191[22:40:35] <bgnr> Não sei
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3192[22:40:37] <bgnr> desculpa
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3193[22:41:06] <ni291187> não tem problema, ora essa
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3194[22:41:23] <jhutchins> bgnr: Maybe you could give us the
model & chipset of the adapter we could help track it down.
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3195[22:41:44] <ni291187> primeira vez por aqui ainda não
sei bem a linguagem bios
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3196[22:41:51] <metastable> ni291187: O canal Kali Linux pode ser
encontrado em #kalilinux.
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3197[22:41:52] <ni291187> do IRC
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3198[22:42:16] <bgnr> hi jhutchins, i have the driver source
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3199[22:42:45] <bgnr> its a dlink wireless n300 nano
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3200[22:42:47] <jhutchins> bgnr: Build it on a machine that has
internet/GCC?
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3201[22:42:55] <ni291187> por isso torna se confuso saltar para
outros chancela
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3202[22:43:02] <jhutchins> !dlink
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3203[22:43:02] <dpkg> D-Link is the worst wireless access point
manufacturer, buy one if you don't want to walk over 30 feet
away from the AP, or too special to bother to give their wireless
cards unique names. To determine the chipset within a D-Link
wireless LAN device, ask me about <what's my wireless>.
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3204[22:43:23] <bgnr> im real noob, so i dont know how to get
that installed version and port it
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3205[22:43:41] <bgnr> i know how to configure, make and make
install :P
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3206[22:43:54] <ni291187> channel
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3207[22:44:06] <jhutchins> bgnr: Are you running a different
linux that has the driver?
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3208[22:44:08] <Iridos> teatime, oh, it only asked me on the
dpkg-reconfigure… thanks… wouldn't have occured
to me … ever… that I have to reconfigure it because I
wasnt asked the first time
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3210[22:44:18] <bgnr> this laptop is windowze
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3211[22:44:22] <Iridos> even now this was by far not the first
thing I tried
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3212[22:44:29] <bgnr> recently i tried linux to play quakeworld,
yep im a player
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3213[22:44:33] <bgnr> and im loving it
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3214[22:44:37] <jhutchins> bgnr: Yeah, you can't use that.
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3215[22:44:48] <bgnr> some ppl recommended debian
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3216[22:44:54] <bgnr> i downloaded, dd the iso
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3217[22:44:57] <bgnr> and intalled etc
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3218[22:45:06] <bgnr> but then i was with a scenario with no
build tools
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3219[22:45:12] <bgnr> wich i finded very weird
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3220[22:45:20] <jhutchins> bgnr: /msg dpkg what's my
wireless, try to figure out the chipset, see if the driver is
available pre-built, and see if you need firmware.
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3221[22:45:22] <bgnr> even tough it was a firware dvd version
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3223[22:45:26] <bgnr> with loads of stff
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3224[22:45:42] <ni291187> good i think this
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3225[22:46:19] <bgnr> jhutchins, actualy debian, recognized , i
just didnt want to mentione it to dont increase further the
confusion
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3226[22:46:27] <bgnr> problem is with debian pre installed
drivers
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3227[22:46:31] <bgnr> connection never happened
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3229[22:46:40] <bgnr> it commnicated with that usb wifi dongle
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3230[22:46:50] <bgnr> detected wifi ap
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3232[22:46:58] <bgnr> but was unable to connect to my hotspot
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3233[22:47:05] <bgnr> i introduced pass
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3237[22:47:12] <jhutchins> bgnr: Possibly you need firmware,
which you don't need to compile. Check dmesg.
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3238[22:47:12] <bgnr> i tried diff settings on connection
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3239[22:47:18] <bgnr> but was unable to make it
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3243[22:48:13] <bgnr> jhutchins, Thank you for all your time
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3245[22:48:39] <bgnr> You were so good
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3246[22:48:52] <bgnr> atm i dont have acess to the debian
,machine
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3247[22:48:55] <bgnr> i will see it later
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3248[22:49:04] <bgnr> and i will try dmseg to see what im getting
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3249[22:49:04] <jhutchins> Good luck!
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3250[22:49:06] <bgnr> Thanks
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3252[22:49:08] <bgnr> :)
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3264[22:55:34] <Guest44216> hi. I've intalled an old version
of glibc on stretch, and now I'd get the next error when
i'd try to install / update / remove with apt-get : apt-get:
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.18' not found
(required by /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
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3265[22:55:42] <Guest44216> somone knows what to do?
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3266[22:55:52] <Guest44216> thanks =)
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3267[22:55:57] <metastable> Why would you do that?
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3268[22:56:04] <annadane> !frankendebian
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3269[22:56:04] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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3273[22:56:52] <Guest44216> yeah its stupid. some program
required the old version and my knowledge about glibc isnt that big
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3274[22:57:10] <metastable> You basically destroyed that system.
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3275[22:57:10] <Guest44216> kinda stupid
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3278[22:57:42] <Guest44216> so it cant be resolved
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3279[22:57:43] <Iridos> your knowledge maybe just grew for about
one "don't do that"
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3280[22:58:23] <Iridos> hard to say
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3281[22:59:12] <Guest44216> well i can reinstall the system...
but i first would like to know if I could do something
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3282[22:59:20] <Guest44216> otherwise there is no other option =)
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3290[23:03:18] <RayReddington> Hello? Is there anybody in there?
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3291[23:03:22] <RayReddington> Just nod if you can hear me
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3292[23:03:23] <abrotman> many people
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3293[23:03:26] <RayReddington> GOod thank god
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3295[23:03:34] <RayReddington> I need help installing linux mint
on an old ass mac mini 1.1
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3296[23:03:41] <RayReddington> none of the tutorials ive tried
work
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3297[23:03:46] <RayReddington> i always get an error in the
terminal commands
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3298[23:03:49] <RayReddington> can anyone help
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3299[23:03:53] <abrotman> RayReddington: What is the name of hte
channel?
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3300[23:03:59] <RayReddington> ok fine ill install debian
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3301[23:04:02] <RayReddington> i have the iso its big
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3302[23:04:09] <abrotman> try ##linux or ask the Mint people
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3303[23:04:12] <RayReddington> and its named
debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome-mac-mattgadient.com.iso
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3304[23:04:19] <abrotman> that is not a debian installer
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3305[23:04:23] <RayReddington> can i get a link
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3308[23:04:35] <abrotman> dpkg: mint
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3309[23:04:36] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not
supported in #debian. Please use their forums at
replaced-url
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3311[23:05:01] <RayReddington> ok fine ill use debian
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3312[23:05:04] <RayReddington> but i need a link to the installer
then
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3313[23:05:11] <abrotman> dpkg: tell RayReddington about firmware
images
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3314[23:05:17] <abrotman> dpkg: tell RayReddington about ig
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3316[23:05:50] <RayReddington> i dont think its working
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3317[23:05:52] <RayReddington> oh
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3320[23:07:29] <RayReddington> can someone walk me through it in
dms?
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3321[23:07:32] <RayReddington> this tutorial is huge
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3323[23:07:45] <no_gravity> So how do I ssh into a VM inside of
VirtualBox?
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3328[23:09:06] <metastable> RayReddington: Have you considered
reading through the documentation and trying it yourself, then
asking specific questions if/when you encounter issues?
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3330[23:10:10] <RayReddington> ok problem one
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3331[23:10:14] <RayReddington> where are the dl links for debian
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3332[23:10:28] <metastable> A very brief Google search would
yield that information.
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3333[23:10:44] <RayReddington> i dont even know what to download
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3335[23:10:46] <RayReddington> a debian iso?>
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3338[23:11:33] <RayReddington>
replaced-url
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3339[23:11:35] <RayReddington> how am i supposed to download
those
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3340[23:11:55] <brw> no_gravity: Does the VM have an SSH server
running?
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3341[23:12:37] <bitess> RayReddington: sure you want the one for
powerpc ? what kind of computer do you use?
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3342[23:12:44] <RayReddington> its a mac mini 1.1
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3343[23:12:51] <RayReddington> i cannot fuckin find the link for
mac mini intel
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3344[23:13:01] <metastable> Language.
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3345[23:13:03] <no_gravity> brw: The Linux inside the VM? Yes, I
installed it via 'apt-get install openssh-server'.
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3346[23:13:15] <RayReddington> mac osx 10.4 (sorry for language)
1.66 intel core duo
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3347[23:13:28] <RayReddington> can i get a link?
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3348[23:13:43] <brw> no_gravity: ok, do you know if it is
actually running?
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3349[23:13:52] <metastable> You may not need a mac-specific
version of the image.
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3350[23:14:10] <RayReddington> so which one do i choose and how
do i download whats literally just a bunch of hypertext links in a
browser
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3351[23:14:32] <brw> no_gravity: if you are on the box as root,
run: netstat -tupan
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3352[23:14:35] <no_gravity> brw: ps aux tells me sshd is running.
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3353[23:14:36] <brw> sorry
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3354[23:14:42] <brw> netstat -tupan | grep sshd
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3355[23:14:46] <brw> then see if you see it in that li9st
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3357[23:15:18] <brw> if you do, then check your IP address that
is assigned to the VM. If it is not on the same network as the
VIrtual Box itself, you may need to configure the host to join the
guest NIC to the main network as opposed to running some kind of NAT
between it and the host.
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3358[23:15:20] <metastable> Assuming that that Mac Mini supports
BIOS emulation (Boot Camp), the normal i386 installer will work. You
need to download an ISO and burn it to a CD/DVD, as I'm almost
totally certain that Mac Mini won't boot from USB.
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3360[23:15:51] <metastable> RayReddington: That said, we're
not here to serve as a substitute for your own research. We are a
support channel to help with specific issues that your research
alone cannot solve.
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3361[23:16:01] <no_gravity> brw: no netstat on that machine.
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3362[23:16:04] <RayReddington> I cant figure out any of the
tutorials thats my issue
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3364[23:16:30] <brw> no_gravity: its part of the net-tools
package
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3365[23:16:39] <n4dir> RayReddington: is it still a ppc
architecture ?
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3366[23:16:45] <metastable> n4dir: No.
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3367[23:16:47] <brw> no_gravity: It would be a useful package to
have. But check your network config
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3368[23:16:50] <n4dir> ah, good then.
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3369[23:16:53] <brw> no_gravity: ifconfig -a
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3370[23:16:54] <metastable> n4dir: He's on a Core Duo T2300.
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3373[23:17:23] <RayReddington> my mac mini just spit out a cd i
tried to put in
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3374[23:17:42] <no_gravity> brw: It has an IP but that seems to
be not reachable from the host.
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3376[23:17:55] <Iridos> Guest44216, from what you say pretty much
any command fails now… and it's not totally clear to me
how you even managed to do that… there should be dependencies
on a newer glibc
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3377[23:18:01] <no_gravity> brw: inside the vm, I can ssh into
it.
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3378[23:18:07] <RayReddington> are you sure i cant boot from usb
on mac mini?
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3379[23:18:26] <metastable> RayReddington: Knowing how many of
those tutorials are written, either you're not trying hard
enough, or you lack the foundational computing knowledge required to
understand the basics. I don't mean this as an insult. You
might be trying to run before you can walk.
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3380[23:18:54] <metastable> RayReddington: Without going into
technicals, there are a lot of constraints on what a Mac will and
will not boot from via USB, depending on system and age.
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3382[23:19:03] <RayReddington> ok if i wipe this disc of the
illusionist can i put debian on it
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3383[23:19:18] <brw> no_gravity: Are you on the same network as
the host?
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3384[23:19:23] <alkisg> no_gravity: what kind of VM, virtualbox,
kvm? Is the emulated NIC in bridged or in NAT mode? If in NAT, did
you enable port forwarding?
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3386[23:19:26] <brw> no_gravity: and is the guest IP on that same
network as well?
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3388[23:19:42] <metastable> RayReddington: Almost certainly not.
Movie DVDs are not writable.
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3389[23:20:00] <RayReddington> ok
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3390[23:20:02] <RayReddington> i have a blank dvdr
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3391[23:20:05] <RayReddington> will that work
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3392[23:20:10] <no_gravity> brw: I have no idea.
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3393[23:20:16] <no_gravity> alkisg: VirtualBox
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3394[23:20:26] <RayReddington> ok nope it just spits it out
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3397[23:20:35] <brw> no_gravity: when you do ifconfig -a on your
guest, grab that IP address
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3398[23:20:41] <brw> then look at the IP address of the virtual
box
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3399[23:20:45] <brw> are they on the same subnet?
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3400[23:20:56] <alkisg> no_gravity: the default virtualbox
options are "NAT mode", which then is not accessible by
the server. Put it in "bridged mode", and restart the VM.
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3402[23:21:07] <no_gravity> brw: What do you mean by 'IP
address of the virtual box'?
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3403[23:21:28] <RayReddington> metastable: what do i need to look
for for a cd
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3405[23:21:36] <RayReddington> metastable: the dvd r thats blank
just gets spit out
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3406[23:21:42] <no_gravity> alkisg: ok
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3407[23:21:45] <brw> no_gravity: your VirtualBox is on a network,
correctA?
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3408[23:21:53] <no_gravity> brw: Not sure what you mean.
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3409[23:22:35] <no_gravity> alkisg: That worked!
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3410[23:22:39] <no_gravity> alkisg: Thanks man!
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3411[23:22:41] <alkisg> np
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3412[23:22:45] <no_gravity> alkisg: Any security implications?
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3413[23:22:48] <brw> no_gravity: then I'm confused. If you
are trying to SSH to a VM that is on VirtualBox, you certainly
can't do that from outside the guest if nothing else is
connected to a network.
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3414[23:23:04] <metastable> RayReddington: Look... As I said
before, we're not here to walk you through every stop of this
because you don't know the basics. Macs are bizarre creatures
and are finicky about what they will and won't run.
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3415[23:23:16] <alkisg> no_gravity: now it's like a pc that
is connected to your switch. So it's accessible by all your
local pcs.
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3416[23:23:16] <RayReddington> alright fuck it
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3417[23:23:21] <RayReddington> ill just do a virtual machine
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3418[23:23:28] <no_gravity> alkisg: Thats ok
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3419[23:23:31] <metastable> Language. Don't make me say it
again.
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3420[23:23:39] <toli> hi, i have installed basic installation of
stretch and now i cannot use my touch panel to reduce brightness or
volume up and down on my thinkpad x1. before when i installed kde or
gnome, everything worked just fine. well now i dont have a decent
windows manager as i use i3 tile WM. do you know how i can fix the
touch panel bar?
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3422[23:24:19] <alkisg> no_gravity: the other method is to put
NAT again, and add "port forwarding" to vbox options for
port 22, so that only your host can then access it. Whatever you
prefer. It's documented in the chapter for vbox networking (in
the pdf manual)
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3433[23:29:31] <RayReddington> will unetbootin work if i format
the usb to msdos file system
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3435[23:30:20] <metastable> First, your Mac Mini will not boot
the Debian installer from USB. I said that already.
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3436[23:30:22] <metastable> Second...
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3437[23:30:24] <metastable> !unetbootin
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3438[23:30:25] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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3439[23:30:56] <RayReddington> well what do i need for a cd to
boot it off of
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3440[23:31:02] <RayReddington> the dvd r i have just gets spit
out when i put it in
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3446[23:32:37] <RayReddington> ok i have an evga driver software
disc
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3447[23:32:39] <RayReddington> will this work lol
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3448[23:32:45] <metastable> Then yours might be the old revision
that can't write DVDs.
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3449[23:32:55] <RayReddington> sooo im boned
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3450[23:32:58] <RayReddington> 'theres no way to install
linux
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3451[23:33:01] <RayReddington> what about a netinstaller
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3452[23:33:05] <annadane> slow. down. christ.
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3455[23:34:38] <RayReddington> well what other options do i have
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3456[23:34:50] <RayReddington> i dont even have sound on this mac
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3457[23:34:56] <RayReddington> i cant run any of the websites or
apps that i want to
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3458[23:35:15] <RayReddington> if someone could spare 30 minutes
to run me through this i would love it
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3461[23:36:04] <metastable> Because this is not a 30-minute
thing.
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3462[23:36:18] <metastable> You're actually asking for
someone to dedicate several hours to teaching you basic stuff and
troubleshooting ancient hardware that isn't theirs.
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3465[23:36:31] <RayReddington> id pay you in a few weeks
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3467[23:36:33] <RayReddington> 10 bucks on paypal
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3468[23:36:45] <brw> um
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3469[23:36:46] <RayReddington> next next thursday
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3470[23:36:56] <brw> I mean, this is entertaining and all....
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3471[23:37:15] <hypn0> you can get a newer system for that :-)
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3472[23:37:17] <metastable> Uh, yeah, my paid time is invoiced at
$210 per hour.
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3473[23:37:27] <RayReddington> a 10 dollar computer?
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3474[23:37:28] <RayReddington> realllllyyy?
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3475[23:37:36] <mhicklen> whoa whoa
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3476[23:37:40] <mhicklen> we just did this in ##linux