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47 [00:14:07] <GrizzlyAdams> so I've followed
replaced-url
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65 [00:21:00] <ksk> totally no idea of nvidia foo, but what does
it say? :)
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67 [00:21:18] <ksk> did you remote the "quiet"
parameter from bootloader to get an output?
68 [00:21:25] <ksk> s/remote/remove
69 [00:21:34] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah, there is zero output from the
kernel.
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73 [00:22:23] <GrizzlyAdams> i'm about to try loading the
installer kernel with the installed fs as a rescue
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75 [00:22:51] <ksk> !chroot if you need any help with that ;)
76 [00:22:56] <ksk> !chroot
77 [00:22:56] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to
your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console
(Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2
/dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable
with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t
proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You
can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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80 [00:23:26] <GrizzlyAdams> yeah, chroot is another option if
this fails.
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132 [00:45:41] <Vision> is there an ETA of 10 perhaps? best
guess?
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141 [00:48:02] <papiiii> what's the best way to upgrade
chromium to latest version
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143 [00:48:40] <papiiii> My chromium version is 70 but due to
recent security issues 72 should be mandatory
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147 [00:49:10] <papiiii> when running apt upgrade it says that
I'm at the newest version
148 [00:49:11] <papiiii> wut do
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151 [00:49:50] <dvs> ,v chromium
152 [00:49:51] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1;
jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; sid:
72.0.3626.53-1; buster: 72.0.3626.109-1; stretch-security:
72.0.3626.122-1~deb9u1
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159 [00:51:29] <papiiii> when can we expect 72 on stretch
160 [00:51:49] <papiiii> do you know how long does it take them
to push the update to stretch
161 [00:51:53] <dvs> !wwbr
162 [00:51:53] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" start the
<freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019.
replaced-url
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179 [00:55:54] <JordiGH> Uhhhh...
180 [00:56:01] <JordiGH> my /var/lib/dpkg/status file is missing.
181 [00:56:06] <JordiGH> Is that, like.... bad?
182 [00:56:14] <JordiGH> The one file that keeps track of all
installed packages?
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185 [00:57:43] <nkuttler> JordiGH: do you still have status-old?
186 [00:57:47] <JordiGH> nkuttler: Yeah.
187 [00:58:06] <nkuttler> JordiGH: how did the file go missing?
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189 [00:59:05] <nkuttler> status-old is a backup, but your
database will probably be inconsistent if you simple use it
190 [00:59:08] <JordiGH> Earlier today I made my system
unbootable.
191 [00:59:24] <JordiGH> After messing around with grub-efi and
stuff, I made it bootable again.
192 [00:59:41] <JordiGH> So I booted back in.
193 [00:59:46] <nkuttler> /var/lib/dpkg/status has nothing to do
with booting
194 [00:59:49] <JordiGH> something must have been off...
195 [01:00:10] <JordiGH> Because I booted into a hibernated
image.
196 [01:00:20] <JordiGH> Everything seemed fine, but suddenly the
filesystem was read-only.
197 [01:00:27] <JordiGH> Reboot again, did fsck...
198 [01:00:33] <JordiGH> And everything seemed fine until now.
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200 [01:00:45] <nkuttler> so, you don't know
201 [01:01:10] <JordiGH> /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 and
/var/lib/dpkg/status-old seem almost the same.
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203 [01:01:23] <JordiGH> The only difference is that status-old
has grub-efi
204 [01:01:28] <nkuttler> if system files randomly disappear... i
would consider getting new hardware tbh
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206 [01:02:28] <JordiGH> I'm pretty sure the hardware is
fine, I just did something bad by removing efivars and then trying
to reinstall them and booting into a hibernated image.
207 [01:02:33] <JordiGH> Something must have gone out of synch
somewhere.
208 [01:02:35] <nkuttler> and i'd start by reinstalling and
seeing if it happens again
209 [01:02:43] <JordiGH> Reinstalling what?
210 [01:02:47] <JordiGH> The whole OS?
211 [01:02:48] <nkuttler> the os
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213 [01:03:29] <JordiGH> Relax, my dude.
214 [01:03:42] <JordiGH> No need to be so hasty.
215 [01:04:00] <JordiGH> status-old seems fine.
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217 [01:04:08] <nkuttler> it's the most relaxed thing you
can do. everything is panicky trying to fix a broken system, which
takes far longer
218 [01:04:10] <JordiGH> I haven't run apt in a while.
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220 [01:04:30] <JordiGH> If I run into other trouble I'll
try something else.
221 [01:04:36] <nkuttler> well, if that's good enough for
you.. go ahead
222 [01:04:50] <JordiGH> Okay, maybe everything is not fine.
223 [01:04:52] <JordiGH> E: Unable to parse package file
/var/lib/apt/extended_states (1)
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267 [01:24:47] <JordiGH> I mounted the drive the hibernation
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269 [01:25:06] <JordiGH> And I modified it. I re-ran grub-install
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271 [01:25:26] <JordiGH> The hibernation image wakes up and
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272 [01:25:35] <JordiGH> Hey, the disk must be corrupt, concludes
Linux.
273 [01:25:48] <JordiGH> Hence, fsck it.
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it no problem.
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425 [02:28:12] <sharp15> what do i need know/do to install
hplip-3.18.9 or later on debian-9.8?
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447 [02:40:42] <themill> ,v hplip
448 [02:40:43] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u2; jessie:
3.14.6-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.16.11+repack0-1~bpo8+1;
stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; stretch-backports:
3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; sid:
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449 [02:40:58] <themill> patience is a virtue,
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460 [02:46:22] <dvs> "yeah, yeah, yeah, patience. How long
will that take?" ;-)
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501 [03:13:35] <whislock> It's in backports.
502 [03:13:48] <whislock> So... Not that hard.
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581 [05:01:42] <Gigglebyte> Does anyone see anything in the
following sources.list that would explain why I am no longer able to
use the apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade commands? Awhile back I
modified my sources.list file without keeping a copy of the old one
and feel a little stupid for doing this.
582 [05:01:53] <Gigglebyte> My sources.list file is located at
replaced-url
583 [05:03:07] <dvs> Gigglebyte, line 11 doesn't have
"deb" at the start of it
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592 [05:14:00] <Gigglebyte> dvs> I fixed the line 11 problem,
but now get a different error message
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594 [05:16:16] <dvs> Gigglebyte, try "deb.debian.org"
instead of "ftp.us.debian.org"
595 [05:17:03] <dvs> or
replaced-url
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600 [05:26:35] <Gigglebyte> dvs> ftp.us.debian.org is a good
url, but I will try your suggestion
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608 [05:35:45] <themill> !ftp.us.debian.org
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610 [05:35:45] <dpkg> Some mirrors like ftp.us.debian.org have
multiple machines serving them in a DNS round robin. This often
isn't a problem but if one machine hasn't updated properly
or is down, this can cause apt to complain (e.g. with hashsum
mismatch). Instead, use the mirror CDN <deb.debian.org> or
pick an individual mirror that is close to you (ask me about
<mirrors>).
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617 [05:45:47] <Gigglebyte> themill> I got it working and
don't even have any warning messages. Thanks for your help.
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824 [09:32:57] <V7> Hey all
825 [09:33:17] <V7> Is CD1 is enough if trying to install basic
debian without DE?
826 [09:33:36] <V7> s/CD1 is/CD1/
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828 [09:34:09] <V7> I mean, what's the difference between
netinstall and CD1?
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860 [10:00:26] <bolt> V7: that depends entirely on what you want.
this is what the package usage survey is for. netinstall contains
only what you need to boot the installer. cd1 contains the base
sytem and most used packages. dvd1 contains more. if you have some
uncommon preferences, those won't be there.
861 [10:01:06] <bolt> V7: if you have access to the internet and
aren't installing 20 machines over dialup, just use netinstall.
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864 [10:04:01] <V7> bolt: No internet access
865 [10:04:09] <V7> Btw, why CD1 doesn't have sudo?
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868 [10:04:23] <V7> This is nonsense, isn't it?
869 [10:04:29] <rant> all install media has sudo
870 [10:04:43] <V7> I've isntaleld and it shows" sudo -
no such command
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872 [10:05:01] <haaibo> haaaai
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874 [10:05:10] <haaibo> what is a good l2tp package which I can
use on debian
875 [10:05:13] <Devil> omg, im stuck.. should i download 600+mb
file or 4 gb + file for usb ?
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877 [10:05:31] <haaibo> i've been suggested to use
openswan/racoon but it doesn't look like it gets updated
regularly.
878 [10:05:42] <rant> V7: sudo is an optional package, its only
installed by default on systems where you do not set a root password
879 [10:06:00] <rant> for this reason it has to be on all instal
media
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882 [10:06:23] <V7> Oh, so when I've set password for root
sudo didn't install?
883 [10:06:25] <V7> Why?
884 [10:06:34] <rant> BECAUSE IT IS OPTIONAL
885 [10:06:37] <rant> ,i sudo
886 [10:06:39] <judd> Package sudo (admin, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Provide limited super user privileges to specific
users. Version: 1.8.19p1-2.1; Size: 1030.1k; Installed: 3035k;
Homepage:
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887 [10:06:42] <V7> THere were 3 options
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890 [10:06:51] <V7> DE, XFCE and System packages
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893 [10:06:59] <V7> I've checked only last one
894 [10:07:11] <rant> look, you can either apt install sudo or
you can keep harping on about it
895 [10:07:21] <rant> either way I'm not going to tell you
again
896 [10:07:24] <haaibo> LOL
897 [10:07:26] <V7> I don't have an internet connection on
this system
898 [10:07:31] <rant> its on the cd
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901 [10:07:50] <rant> you can still use the cd as an apt source,
it should be configured already
902 [10:08:00] <V7> Oh, thank you
903 [10:08:11] <V7> Btw, it's quite strange behaviour,
sorry.
904 [10:08:22] <V7> ^ about sudo package is chosen as an optional
905 [10:08:31] <rant> yes well to us, its strange behavior that
people consider it essential
906 [10:08:31] <V7> imho
907 [10:08:45] <rant> the only way it is essential is if you
don't set a password
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914 [10:14:23] <JustASlacker> time to install debian
915 [10:14:43] <rant> better late than never..
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917 [10:15:17] <rant> to me, time to install debian is the first
time every machine boots..
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920 [10:16:42] <JustASlacker> downloading netinstall iso right
now
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924 [10:18:29] <Haohmaru> <the_path_to_success.jpg>
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935 [10:20:52] <Devil> omg, im stuck.. should i download 600+mb
file or 4 gb + file for usb ?.... installing
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941 [10:21:43] <rant> installing what? on where?
942 [10:21:43] <Haohmaru> how would we know? should we toss a
coin for you?
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944 [10:22:40] <V7> Devil: Depends on what you want to install: a
basic Debian or Debian with all packages and Desktop Environment
945 [10:22:42] <Devil> installing debian
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947 [10:23:08] <JustASlacker> netinstall is good choice if the
systems has network access
948 [10:23:10] <V7> Also, with internet or without
949 [10:23:12] <rant> there are over 20 different installation
media for stable on x86 alone..
950 [10:23:27] <Devil> installing on desktop.. with basic
951 [10:23:43] <V7> Devil: Install CD1(600Mb)
952 [10:23:45] <rant> if you have an internet connection, we
always recommend the netinstall
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954 [10:24:12] <rant> if you will be using wifi to install we
recommend the firmware netinstaller
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965 [10:32:34] <Devil> i just want to try debian not to install
966 [10:32:40] <Devil> using usb
967 [10:32:50] <Devil> willl basic be fine?
968 [10:33:17] <Haohmaru> if ya wanna try, then there are these
Live images
969 [10:33:41] <Haohmaru> ..with different desktop environments
970 [10:33:46] <Haohmaru> but they're bigger
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972 [10:34:17] <Haohmaru> lxde and xfce ones would be the smaller
ones i think
973 [10:34:54] <Haohmaru> they fit on a 2GB flash stick
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980 [10:41:41] <rant> you'd be hardpressed to even find a
2GB flash drive these days
981 [10:42:13] * Haohmaru is burried in them
982 [10:42:20] <rant> smallest ones I have are 4GB
983 [10:42:59] <Devil> i got 8gb
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985 [10:43:48] <aexl> why not recommend the bittorrent-dvd?
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989 [10:47:17] <JustASlacker> alrite
990 [10:47:31] <JustASlacker> booting my system with debian iso
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992 [10:48:40] <rant> Devil:
replaced-url
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995 [10:49:02] <Devil> (rant): k thanks
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1008 [10:56:49] <JustASlacker> and it works
1009 [10:56:53] * JustASlacker cries
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1011 [10:57:35] <at0m> JustASlacker: why so emotional? =)
1012 [10:58:03] <Haohmaru> maybe he's been tortured by
commercial OSes till now, and now he feels free
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1015 [10:58:53] <at0m> maybe they dropped a CRT on their toes
1016 [10:59:13] <at0m> let's hope you're more on it =)
1017 [11:00:50] <JustASlacker> Because I spend 4 hours on this on
friday
1018 [11:00:54] <JustASlacker> just works now
1019 [11:01:00] <JustASlacker> think the iso was bad
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1023 [11:02:59] <Haohmaru> ah, check the sha sums!
1024 [11:03:21] <Haohmaru> i've wasted lots of hours fiddling
with a broken iso
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1028 [11:06:48] <JustASlacker> yeah
1029 [11:06:49] <JustASlacker> sucks
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1135 [12:44:52] <Laon> Is there a way to test a signing key
online? Trying from apt, but only receives "gpg: key server
receive failed: no name" PS.: the key; 913DFF12F86258E5
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1145 [12:53:20] <petn-randall> Laon: Checking signatures is
pointless if you don't verify it yourself.
1146 [12:53:47] <petn-randall> Laon: I'm an online entity,
and tell you the signature is valid. Would you trust me?
1147 [12:54:11] <Haohmaru> hint: he's a liar
1148 [12:54:17] <Laon> No, but I'd be more sure my system
does not work :P
1149 [12:54:18] <Haohmaru> like me
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1151 [12:54:39] <petn-randall> Laon: If you provide details what
you're doing (commands + output), we might suggest you ways to
use a different key server.
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1154 [12:54:50] <Laon> Got any hints on the "gpg: key server
receive failed: no name" ?
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1156 [12:55:20] <Laon> gpg --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net
--recv-keys 913DFF12F86258E5
1157 [12:55:21] <Laon> gpg: keyserver receive failed: No name
1158 [12:55:53] <mutante> well.. there is a way to
"test" the key.. that would be checking if it has been
signed by others, and who the others are and if you trust/know them
1159 [12:56:23] <mutante> --list-sigs ?
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1162 [12:59:06] <mutante> Laon: gpg --keyserver
keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key 913DFF12F86258E5
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1164 [13:01:45] <mutante> Laon: the fact that the key ID shows up
on official docs is probably the best test you have in this case.
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1165 [13:02:45] <Laon> Yes, thanks :)
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1172 [13:08:26] <furrymcgee> please can I have dpkg more quiet?
dpkg --install write many "Reading database ..."
1173 [13:08:36] <FarhaadN> hi , i am using debian netinstall 9.5.1
, i want install tshark with "apt install -y tshark"
command, during the installation , it will prompt me to confifure
dumpcap for non-superruser, i want to by pass this confirmation in
first command, can anyone help me?
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1181 [13:11:19] <areyouloco> if I want to install two distros on
one drive could I use one /boot right? and separate /root and
separate /home?
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1183 [13:13:10] <aexl> furrymcgee: dpkg --install
"your.deb" 1>/dev/null
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1185 [13:14:24] <FarhaadN> can anyone help me?
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1187 [13:14:46] <aexl> FarhaadN: apt-get has --force-yes option
1188 [13:15:17] <FarhaadN> aexl: not for install, during
installation
1189 [13:15:25] <FarhaadN>
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1190 [13:15:31] <FarhaadN> please check this picture
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1195 [13:17:36] <BCMM> aexl: isn't that for actual package
management questions, not for configuration?
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1198 [13:20:13] <BCMM> FarhaadN: try
DEBIAN_FRONTEND='noninteractive'. if i understand
correctly, you'll get default answers to all debconf questions
that way
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1218 [13:39:57] <FarhaadN> BCMM: one time i used this , but i dont
get result , i try it agein , i shoult export this, right?
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1229 [13:46:14] <FarhaadN> BCMM: not worked again
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1231 [13:50:17] <simpledat> Hi
1232 [13:50:49] <simpledat> How do I get Python version 3.6.1 or
higher on my debian?
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1235 [13:51:39] <Haohmaru> ,v python
1236 [13:51:40] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; buster:
2.7.15-4; sid: 2.7.15-4
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1239 [13:51:56] <Haohmaru> ,v python3
1240 [13:51:58] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.2-1; sid:
3.7.2-1
1241 [13:52:28] <Haohmaru> maybe 3.7.2-1 from backports
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1243 [13:52:48] <simpledat> Haohmaru: sid its not backports?
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1248 [13:53:03] <themill> simpledat: what are you wanting to
achieve?
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1252 [13:53:37] <simpledat> themill: Install electrum
1253 [13:53:44] <simpledat> Error: Electrum requires Python
version >= 3.6.1...
1254 [13:53:58] <themill> ,v electrum
1255 [13:53:59] <judd> Package: electrum on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 2.7.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 3.1.3-1~bpo9+1;
sid: 3.2.3-1
1256 [13:54:34] <simpledat> themill: The newest upgrade is 3.3.4
1257 [13:55:06] <themill> I know nothing about it other than to
avoid it. Newer might even mean better.
1258 [13:55:21] <themill> Either upgrade to buster or use a
virtualenv
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1261 [13:55:55] <simpledat> themill: Warning: Electrum versions
older than 3.3 can no longer connect to public servers, and must be
upgraded. This is in order to prevent user exposure to phishing
messages. Do not download Electrum from any another source than
electrum.org.
1262 [13:56:02] <simpledat> from
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1263 [13:56:15] <themill> so, best avoided completely
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1265 [13:56:57] <simpledat> themill: Why?
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1279 [14:04:38] <simpledat> How can I see what python3 version
backports can provide me?
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1281 [14:05:10] <themill> There isn't one.
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1285 [14:05:52] <simpledat> themill: How do you know?
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1287 [14:06:05] <simpledat> I mean, how can I check that?
1288 [14:06:14] <themill> what judd said
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1290 [14:06:26] <themill> (packages like python will never get
backported anyway)
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1295 [14:07:41] <simpledat> themill: So how then can I get newer
python3 version then I already have?
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1297 [14:08:03] <themill> [23:55] <themill> Either upgrade
to buster or use a virtualenv
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1300 [14:09:18] <outoftime> Where I can ask for help with building
libgmpxx? I have few errors I can not resolve by myself.
1301 [14:10:01] <simpledat> themill: buster= testing?
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1304 [14:10:24] <themill> yes
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1306 [14:10:46] <simpledat> themill: Is it safe?
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1320 [14:30:04] <simpledat> Can someone please help me how to
install python version 3.6.1 on my debian stretch distro?
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1323 [14:30:36] <greycat> Download the python 3.6.1 sources and
build them locally and install them locally.
1324 [14:30:58] <simpledat> greycat: Is there any guide how to do
it?
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1326 [14:31:42] <greycat> There is probably a README file or an
INSTALL file, or both, in the python sources. Or on the python web
site. Or in the FAQ which one would hope is in the /topic of the
#python channel.
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1335 [14:36:56] <simpledat> greycat: Can I make a package too?
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1340 [14:39:05] <simpledat> greycat: Someone told me to make a
package, what does he mean? and is it safe to do that?
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1344 [14:42:27] <storrgie> I'm trying to install steamcmd, it
appears to be i386, can I install a package that is i386 onto an
amd64 system?
1345 [14:43:44] <storrgie> ah, probably `dpkg --add-architecture
i386`
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1348 [14:45:35] <darxmurf> is there a way to mount bonding during
debian installation ?
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1355 [14:48:43] <greycat> simpledat: I would strongly advise NOT
making a python 3.6.1 package which would obliterate the standard
stable python 3.5 package and probably break stuff.
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1357 [14:49:02] <greycat> Installing in /usr/local allows BOTH to
coexist.
1358 [14:49:13] <simpledat> greycat: So what is your suggestion?
1359 [14:49:43] <greycat> 09:30 greycat> Download the python
3.6.1 sources and build them locally and
1360 [14:49:44] <greycat> install them locally.
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1379 [15:06:35] <AlexNagy> It's almost like deja vu.
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1384 [15:09:30] <themill> simpledat: did you look up how to make a
virtualenv?
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1386 [15:10:32] <themill> (and you definitely should not put tools
like python into /usr/local if you have /usr/local/bin in your PATH.
That *will* break things)
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1388 [15:11:19] <greycat> well, at least it's easy to
un-break those things by changing PATH
1389 [15:11:24] <greycat> but your point is valid
1390 [15:11:55] <beardy> virtualenv is the best thing since sliced
spam
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1392 [15:13:15] <simpledat> themill: Not yet
1393 [15:13:43] <simpledat> Do you know when debian stretch is
gonna upgrade python?
1394 [15:13:48] <simpledat> I mean in their packages
1395 [15:13:54] <themill> stretch is never going to have a newer
python
1396 [15:13:59] <beardy> Never.
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1399 [15:18:03] <simpledat> Why?
1400 [15:18:26] <karlpinc> simpledat: Wait for buster. When the
green line is close to 0 it buster will be released:
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1403 [15:18:53] <simpledat> I mean, people are asking me why Im
using a outdated distro. But I really like debian. But in same way I
need it to work with other softwares
1404 [15:18:57] <karlpinc> simpledat: Because of what debian
stable is.
1405 [15:19:00] <karlpinc> !stable
1406 [15:19:01] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release
when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will
only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed
in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is
Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are
fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me
about <security backports>).
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1408 [15:19:27] <simpledat> How long do you think we have to wait
for buster?
1409 [15:19:35] <simpledat> until is it stable?
1410 [15:19:47] <greycat> at LEAST three months, probably more
like 6 to 8
1411 [15:19:49] <karlpinc> Security is enhanced because no new
code is added unless it is specifically patched to fix a security
problem. (Or bug that simple destroys the package's
usefulness.)
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1413 [15:20:06] <simpledat> What python3 version will buster
provide?
1414 [15:20:12] <greycat> ,v python3
1415 [15:20:13] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.2-1; sid:
3.7.2-1
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1417 [15:20:43] <simpledat> Ok
1418 [15:20:46] <simpledat> Thanks
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1420 [15:21:19] <karlpinc> So, the point of debian stable is you
get something secure and reliable. It will have bugs, but you can
work-around them and things won't change out from under you.
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1424 [15:22:31] <karlpinc> simpledat: People do run testing, for
various reasons. And some are happy with testing. YMMV. (I like
stable and don't want to spend time fussing with my systems.)
1425 [15:22:56] <Johann> simpledat: also, you can try a tool like
"pyenv" to help you install newer version of python (or
older, if needed) and switch easily between them
1426 [15:23:07] <karlpinc> simpledat: (Be sure to upgrade by
following the instructions in the release notes. Then you won't
have to re-install, which is also a nice property of debian.)
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1428 [15:24:03] <karlpinc> simpledat: Yes, Johann is right. Python
has it's own packaging and debian stable can be used as a
platform to install whatever you want. You're just on your own
when it comes to keeping up with security/etc of whatever you layer
on top of debian.
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1459 [15:41:02] <karlpinc> What's a "good" toolset
to noodle around and graph some functions? Libreoffice might be
kludgy, given it's consumer roots. Or so I guess. I do have an
example I did in R years ago. What's out there? If I'm
going to have to learn something it may as well be useful and
powerful so I can use it to model whatever I want in the future.
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1461 [15:41:59] <jelly> gnuplot?
1462 [15:42:01] * jelly hides
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1465 [15:43:19] <colo-work> gnuplot!
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1469 [15:43:41] <Janni> Hello.
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1472 [15:44:48] <karlpinc> Is gnuplot a serious suggestion?
(There's those python "notebooks". And probably a
bunch of javascript stuff too. But as long as I'm learning
something I'd like a variety of output formats.)
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1474 [15:44:57] <karlpinc> !tell Janni about ask
1475 [15:44:58] <SwK> anyone have a good doc on getting Mellanox
ConnectX 40GE NICs working in stretch (9.8) ?
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1477 [15:45:16] <Janni> I have a little puzzle. I'd like to
display as much output of `ls` as fits on my screen without losing
columnation and colours. So far I've played around with the
`column` command but it neither seems to support colour codes, nor
does it columnate the same way as ls does. Does anybody know a
version of `column`?
1478 [15:45:22] <Janni> +better
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1480 [15:46:20] <EdePopede> Janni: pipe it to `ls -R` and use
color=always
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1482 [15:47:10] <Janni> EdePopede: Thanks!
1483 [15:47:13] <karlpinc> SwK: You might describe your problem.
1484 [15:47:18] <Janni> Works just fine.
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1486 [15:47:49] <SwK> karlpinc its totally a driver issue... card
shows fine in lspci, drivers arent being loaded, mellanox has
drives, but they wont clean install past 9.5
1487 [15:48:56] <karlpinc> SwK: Type "/msg judd pciid"
and follow the instructions to get the judd bot to help you find the
right driver.
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1491 [15:50:25] <karlpinc> SwK: I think you want "lspci
-nn" to get the pciid.
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1496 [15:52:29] <SwK> I know which driver it is, I'm looking
for some more docs on actually making them work lol
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1520 [16:04:42] <Tenkawa> SwK: what are you trying to do?
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1534 [16:14:45] <Johann> karlpinc: gnuplot is definetly a serious
suggestion. It has a difficult learning curve but it is powerful,
especially if you need to do things programatically
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1536 [16:15:16] <frzr> I'm having trouble understanding the
following error message: EXT4-fs error (device xvda3):
ext4_mb_generate_buddy:756: group 832, 27234 clusters in bitmap,
24544 in gd; block bitmap corrupt.
1537 [16:15:43] <frzr> If it's a kernel-related bug or if
there might be corruption in the filesystem, any filesystem wizards
around? :)
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1539 [16:16:05] <greycat> What it means to laypeople like me is
"hope your last backup was recent and intact"
1540 [16:16:27] <frzr> Yeah, the latest backup where i can verify
full integrity is from 8 days ago
1541 [16:16:29] <frzr> so not that recent
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1543 [16:17:04] <irrep> A colleage wants a C++17 compiler on his
Debian 9 workstation. Is there some safe way to install g++ 8
without destoying the default installation of g++ 6?
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1548 [16:23:33] <Johann> irrep: you should be able to simply
compile a local version of g++ without installing it globally. See
replaced-url
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1550 [16:24:01] <n4dir> another option would be in a chroot
(debootstrap). I guess.
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1554 [16:24:51] <greycat> chroot is probably overkill, when you
could just configure your compiler to install in /opt/g++17/ or
wherever makes sense to you
1555 [16:26:18] <colo-work> clearly, there's a need for
dockerized compilers!
1556 [16:26:46] <jelly> !dockerize colo-work
1557 [16:26:56] <colo-work> "nothing happens"
1558 [16:27:01] <colo-work> why isn't that a thing? :(
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1562 [16:29:43] <jelly> most obnoxious insults/actions have been
made in early 200x and some have been deleted in the meantime
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1564 [16:31:05] <jelly> apparently pummeling inhabitants of
#debian with Penices and leaving wet spots is too childish
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1566 [16:31:55] <colo-work> this world really is trapped in a
dystopic downward spiral
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1568 [16:33:33] <jelly> dpkg: listvals CMD:
1569 [16:33:34] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'CMD:' by value
(2): send #DEL# ;; awaysmack #DEL#.
1570 [16:33:52] <jelly> dpkg: listvals cmd:
1571 [16:33:54] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'cmd:' by value
(2): awaysmack #DEL# ;; send #DEL#.
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1574 [16:34:04] <jelly> :'(
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1579 [16:34:50] <greycat> dpkg literal cmd: -l (.*?)
1580 [16:34:50] <dpkg> "cmd: -l (.*?)" is "($1):
<reply> (ii $1
(1|2|3).(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)-(|1)(1|2|3|4|5)(|||.1|.2|.3)
($nick's private (porn|coin|warez|stamp) collection|ultra
s3kr1t #debian package)|No packages found matching $1)"
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1583 [16:36:45] <AlexNagy> lul
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1594 [16:43:31] <EdePopede> what usable gui browsers does debian
have on board? and i don't mean lynx and i don't mean
firefox either. one of them is text and no js, so useless on big
parts of the web. and the other one has degenerated to a bloated
unreliable virtual machine for js powered webapps.
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1599 [16:44:30] <greycat> If you don't mean firefox then I
don't understand your question. At all.
1600 [16:44:34] <EdePopede> preferably everything that isn't
needed for normal web usage should be implemented using a modular
system
1601 [16:44:57] <greycat> Let us know when you're done
writing the Next Great Linux Browser.
1602 [16:45:19] <EdePopede> as i said, firefox is bloated and
became unusable during the last years.
1603 [16:45:30] <EdePopede> *plonk*
1604 [16:45:35] <colo-work> well, that's, like, your opinion,
man
1605 [16:45:38] <EdePopede> someone with a *real* idea maybe?
1606 [16:45:52] <n4dir> you could search if midori or arora or
such is still in the repositories, but most are not developed
anymore (?), so it is either firefox or chromium, if you want js and
such
1607 [16:45:52] <colo-work> there are no "real" ideas
that satisfy your requirements
1608 [16:45:54] <colo-work> !next
1609 [16:45:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1610 [16:45:55] <EdePopede> oh yes, 80% ram just while switching
tabs is normal, right?
1611 [16:46:23] <EdePopede> or is the requirement for a browser
nowadays the same as for a highend ego shooterß
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1613 [16:46:45] <EdePopede> chromium. great. hail google.
1614 [16:47:00] <EdePopede> best run on chromeOS i suppose
1615 [16:47:04] <colo-work> choose your poison. I recommend
firefox.
1616 [16:47:14] <n4dir> good or bad, if you want something like a
"modern webbrowser" you don't have got other options.
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1618 [16:47:19] <EdePopede> unusable. in the basic meaning of the
word.
1619 [16:47:42] <EdePopede> i can't restart it every few
minutes and then wait for an hour.
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1621 [16:48:15] <EdePopede> n4dir: JS isn't that modern, it
was invented during the days of netscape. 20 years ago.
1622 [16:48:24] <EdePopede> and modules aren't either.
1623 [16:48:51] <EdePopede> what is the oldest version which would
run on stretch?
1624 [16:49:05] <n4dir> complain as much as you want, there simply
isn't a different solution.
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1627 [16:49:51] <EdePopede> so linux is a webfree environment
nowadays unless you play the windows game and buy a new modern
computer with every release
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1629 [16:50:31] * greycat returns the *plonk* since this is utterly
pointless
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1631 [16:51:19] <EdePopede> what about kde? how bloated is this? i
remember konqueror or what it was called
1632 [16:51:23] <milkt> just don't use browser
1633 [16:51:57] <EdePopede> milkt: you can't even download
stuff anymore without since ftp is more or less dead.
1634 [16:52:08] <Tenkawa> greycat: hey what was that channel where
they are discussing secureboot stuff in? was it just -next/
1635 [16:52:11] <Tenkawa> ?
1636 [16:52:13] <n4dir> i tried them all over the years. including
konqueror. I am serious. Either firefox/chromium or you will have to
live without certain features of the web it is these days. In that
case i'd go for netsurf.
1637 [16:52:15] <Tenkawa> er s///?
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1639 [16:52:21] <diogenes_> EdePopede, falkon try.
1640 [16:52:33] <greycat> Tenkawa: you might be thinking of
#debian-next on the OFTC network
1641 [16:52:41] <avu> I thank the FSM every day that FTP is more
or less dead
1642 [16:52:42] <Tenkawa> ahh ok thanks
1643 [16:53:11] <n4dir> EdePopede: ubuntuusers.de, go to the wiki,
go to software. It lists quite a few browsers (the german won't
bug you, as it is just a list)
1644 [16:53:12] <EdePopede> n4dir, diogenes_: thanks, i'll
look at them.
1645 [16:53:18] <Tenkawa> I've got a machine i want to setup
for it
1646 [16:53:44] <EdePopede> n4dir: surely the german won't
bug me ;)
1647 [16:53:48] <Tenkawa> not risking my primary
1648 [16:54:07] <n4dir> EdePopede: :-) got you, i think
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1650 [16:54:29] <EdePopede> i'm just wondering seing this in
#debian, since google always sends me there even if i explicitely
tell it to debianize its results *g*
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1768 [18:00:14] <ksk> ubuntuusers.de has quite a few pieces of
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1824 [18:36:07] <Krzysztof> hi All!
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1837 [18:40:52] <Greyztar> o/
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1950 [19:36:27] <jhutchins> ksk: Google translate.
1951 [19:37:12] <SpeedyG> jhutchins: not sure if gTranslate can
convert ubuntonian into something sensible ;)
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1959 [19:38:57] <jhutchins> The purpose of secure boot is to
prevent people from running linux. I can't believe the debian
team is wasting time and effort on it.
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1961 [19:39:30] <greycat> It's apparently something in demand
from the user base, who are stuck with PCs that have Secure Boot.
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1963 [19:41:28] <jhutchins> ... which can (and should) be turned
off.
1964 [19:42:06] <greycat> If it can be turned off, then how is it
"secure boot"?
1965 [19:42:22] <jhutchins> It's not. It isn't if
it's on.
1966 [19:42:44] <jhutchins> It's just to prevent people from
running non-MS OSs.
1967 [19:43:06] <jhutchins> Last I knew, the way around it was you
paid Intel a bribe and they gave you a key to sign your bootloader
or kernel or whatever.
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1972 [19:43:53] <jhutchins> Somebody explained to Intel that there
were entire datacenters running nothing but linux or some other
non-MS OS, and they compromised with MS and made it possible to
diable it.
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2002 [20:04:36] <Krzysztof> Luckily, Linux works not only on Intel
platform. #inteloutside :)
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2008 [20:05:32] <generic> can sb assist me with anbox ? trying to
get it to run but no idea how
2009 [20:06:00] <generic> got android-amd64.img now what ?
2010 [20:07:20] <AlexNagy> Read the tutorials/faqs/etc.?
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2012 [20:07:36] <generic> AlexNagy: everything I found
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2015 [20:07:55] <generic> AlexNagy: kernel modules loaded
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2017 [20:08:13] <generic> AlexNagy: but no idea how to start it
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2020 [20:08:38] <greycat> This seems like a highly specialized and
complicated thing. Perhaps you'd find better help in a more
specialized channel.
2021 [20:08:59] <AlexNagy> ^^^^
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2025 [20:09:48] <generic> greycat: tried #anbox before .. thought
it was worth a try to ask
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2028 [20:10:59] <generic> anbox-session-manager.service is a
systemd user service ... now systemctl start
2029 [20:11:01] <generic> ?
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2087 [20:37:56] <belka2615>
replaced-url
2088 [20:37:56] <belka2615> а...
2089 [20:38:15] <belka2615> спасибо
2090 [20:38:18] <greycat> !ru
2091 [20:38:18] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net)
(Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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2115 [20:51:08] <Echo6> Is there a command line browser like Lynx
that is able to output audio?
2116 [20:51:25] <Echo6> I'm trying to set up a small box to
work for music around the shop.
2117 [20:51:52] <CarlFK> Echo6: doesnt links shell out to
something? (which seems good enough for that)
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2121 [20:52:15] <greycat> it probably uses your MIME type settings
in some dot file or other
2122 [20:52:24] <Echo6> Not that I'm aware of, maybe my stuff
isn't configured right.
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2124 [20:52:40] <Echo6> I'll check that out and report back
this evening.
2125 [20:52:47] <Echo6> Thank you!
2126 [20:52:50] <CarlFK> I want to get throttle-1.2.tar.gz into
debian. (very hard to find) What metadata should I ask the author
for? name, email, url, license,
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2153 [21:08:27] <frzr> I'm having trouble understanding the
following error message: EXT4-fs error (device xvda3):
ext4_mb_generate_buddy:756: group 832, 27234 clusters in bitmap,
24544 in gd; block bitmap corrupt.
2154 [21:08:31] <frzr> If it's a kernel-related bug or if
there might be corruption in the filesystem, any filesystem wizards
around? :)
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2158 [21:10:50] <GNU\colossus> frzr, what does fsck say?
2159 [21:11:01] <GNU\colossus> (could be both)
2160 [21:11:18] <frzr> haven't run fsck yet
2161 [21:11:22] <GNU\colossus> can you reproduce the problem, and
if so, can you do so with another kernel release?
2162 [21:11:26] <frzr> have scheduled a production stop tonight,
going to run it then
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2164 [21:11:39] <greycat> It's been FIVE hours. And you
haven't fscked yet.
2165 [21:11:53] <frzr> nope, cant just kill the server like that,
critical mysql machine :(
2166 [21:12:04] <greycat> I see. Unfortunate.
2167 [21:12:10] <frzr> need to alert customers etc, and schedule
2168 [21:12:14] <frzr> fastest possible was tonight
2169 [21:12:29] <SerajewelKS> guessing if it's production
that you at least have backups
2170 [21:12:29] <frzr> What's the risks in delaying? more
loss of data ?
2171 [21:12:39] <frzr> Well i have slaves for the db
2172 [21:12:57] <SerajewelKS> no regular point-in-time backups?
2173 [21:13:00] <frzr> but i rather not populate from them since
they have diff on rows on certain tables that the sync operations
has not synced over to the master
2174 [21:13:07] <frzr> 8 days last one
2175 [21:13:07] <frzr> :)
2176 [21:13:11] <SerajewelKS> eeesh
2177 [21:13:14] <frzr> yes :(
2178 [21:13:19] <SerajewelKS> any corruption could possibly have
been synced
2179 [21:13:28] <frzr> fs corruption via mysql sync? no ?
2180 [21:13:33] <frzr> is that a possibliity ?
2181 [21:13:47] <SerajewelKS> if it's statement-level sync
probably not. WAL shipping... i dunno.
2182 [21:13:54] <frzr> My understanding was that stuff like that
would not be synced
2183 [21:13:57] <frzr> i might be wrong :/
2184 [21:14:19] <frzr> It's a row based sync
2185 [21:14:26] <GNU\colossus> both kinds of replication will use
the filesystem to commit their data, and not bypass the fs to write
to the raw blockdev underneath
2186 [21:14:48] <GNU\colossus> so that shouldn't really
matter
2187 [21:15:10] <SerajewelKS> true, either kind of sync is
vulnerable to the sync'd log files becoming corrupt
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2189 [21:16:11] <frzr> crap
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2191 [21:16:30] <SerajewelKS> frzr: i don't know how big your
data set is. what we have for our production DB servers, they all
run on LVM and we have 5-10% free space in the DB volume VG. every
night we create an LVM snapshot, mount that somewhere, set it up to
be a chroot, and run a secondary mysqld inside of the chroot, then
mysqldump from that.
2192 [21:16:31] <frzr> guess i just have to pray then that those
sectors are not affected
2193 [21:16:36] <SerajewelKS> then we can just toss the LVM
snapshot
2194 [21:16:50] <frzr> we had 9% space before the grow-resize
opreation
2195 [21:16:53] <frzr> operation*
2196 [21:16:55] <SerajewelKS> the only real concern with such a
setup is the write amplification of LVM snapshots
2197 [21:17:00] <frzr> now we have 60-70%
2198 [21:17:04] <SerajewelKS> VG free space is not the same as
filesystem free space
2199 [21:17:26] <SerajewelKS> if your DB volume isn't already
in an LVM LV then this approach requires migration
2200 [21:17:39] <frzr> Its not
2201 [21:17:47] <SerajewelKS> (side note, we can't just use
mysqldump --single-transaction, which would be preferred, because
most of our tables are MyISAM which does not support transactions)
2202 [21:18:23] <SerajewelKS> (which means a dump requires an
exclusive lock of the tables. the LVM snapshot approach enables us
to get a true point-in-time backup without locking the live tables.
it does require a second short-lived mysqld, but our environment is
able to handle that.)
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2207 [21:19:58] <frzr> We're using percona-server they have
tools to perform point in time incremental backups
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2209 [21:20:30] <frzr> but because of how the infrastructure is
set up i havent had the time to reconfigure which has resulted in
not optimal integrity tests
2210 [21:20:42] <frzr> just found out this week that the
master-slave replicas has diffs in their rows
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2212 [21:20:57] <frzr> 1 to around 70 in all the tables
2213 [21:21:41] <frzr> ugh, this shit is indeed stressful :)
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2218 [21:24:30] <frzr> Yeah and greycat the filesystem error
appeared on friday, just noticed it today
2219 [21:24:37] <frzr> so slightly more hours than 5
2220 [21:24:39] <frzr> just a bit
2221 [21:25:09] <GNU\colossus> that reads very much like mysql
replication still being utter shit :>
2222 [21:25:23] <frzr> haha
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2224 [21:25:42] <frzr> Well i don't know i inherited this
infrastructure, and im the only one in charge of this now
2225 [21:25:46] <frzr> happy happy life
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2227 [21:25:57] <GNU\colossus> I feel for you
2228 [21:26:00] <frzr> mysql replication is still kind of new to
me
2229 [21:26:09] <frzr> But if you think that lvm solution is a
better one
2230 [21:26:11] <frzr> i have to look into that
2231 [21:26:20] <FinalX> mysql replication is shit, though in
mysql 8.0 there's group replication that's more similar to
galera clustering
2232 [21:26:33] <GNU\colossus> if your application can do
(reliable) replication, _always_ prefer that over block-based
replication schemes
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2235 [21:27:57] <frzr> Dont you need to perform a lot of
filesystem operations to guarantee 100% integrity of the lvm
snapshots ?
2236 [21:28:02] <frzr> Like freezing the filesystem
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2238 [21:28:14] <frzr> so no changes are performed while you
create the snapshot
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2240 [21:29:16] <GNU\colossus> in my experience, it's best
not to care about that, and treat a freshly minted LVM snapshot like
the original filesystem right after a power outage (which you should
be able to withstand anyway)
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2244 [21:30:07] <frzr> So acceptable loss of data?
2245 [21:30:08] <frzr> :)
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2248 [21:30:32] <frzr> Well you cant take backups each second so i
guess that might be "ok"
2249 [21:30:37] <GNU\colossus> with an RDBMS that's been set
up correctly, that shouldn't happen
2250 [21:30:46] <GNU\colossus> (loss of data due to a power
outage, that is)
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2252 [21:30:56] <frzr> if you have to restore from it 1-60min +
10sec isnt a big deal
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2259 [21:32:40] <frzr> Yeah well, this environment needs alot of
love
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2261 [21:32:51] <frzr> and ive only been assigned 50% server work
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2263 [21:33:04] <frzr> most of our tables dont even have primary
keys
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2265 [21:34:00] <frzr> No need to worry, only 40gb database with
over 300 companies
2266 [21:34:08] <frzr> :'(
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2272 [21:38:48] <GNU\colossus> 40GB ought to be very manageable
2273 [21:39:18] <GNU\colossus> on our primary db server, one could
seqscan that whole db in a few seconds ;)
2274 [21:39:26] <frzr> Largeset ive worked with :)
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2276 [21:39:34] <frzr> well we aint working with that kind of
hardware :)
2277 [21:40:19] <frzr> We're planning on moving from our
hosting provider since theyre quite frankly garbage, their disks are
shit and theyve multiple times gone and debugged our machines and
randomly restarted them in the middle of the day
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2279 [21:40:41] <frzr> Scared to death now when i have to get help
from one of their indian "experts"
2280 [21:40:42] <frzr> :)
2281 [21:40:47] <GNU\colossus> sounds like a "get out
asap"-kind of provider
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2283 [21:41:17] <frzr> Yes, but things aint moving quickly in this
company, we're going to try to move late autumn
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2285 [21:41:44] <frzr> Moving over to google cloud probably
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2287 [21:43:15] <frzr> GNU\colossus: Do you know what risks there
could be by performing a full backup at this stage of the 40gb
instance of the 240gb disk thats most likely has corrupted sectors
2288 [21:43:50] <frzr> And then check it and hopefully repair
issues and get it back up and running again
2289 [21:44:01] <GNU\colossus> frzr, as long as you're not
_writing_ to that disk, you should be about as fine as you can be.
to salvage/migrate the data, you're going to have to read it at
least once :)
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2291 [21:44:25] <frzr> Yes, i'm going to perform a mysqldump
of the most important database, and then a full backup of the entire
instance
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2294 [21:44:44] <frzr> No writing on my part (more than the
application is currently doing.. )
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2301 [21:47:20] <frzr> Hopefully the dump of the important
database goes well, otherwise i have no other option then restoring
it from a slave and some rows will go missing
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2309 [21:50:28] <GNU\colossus> you'll be fine :)
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2312 [21:50:39] <GNU\colossus> partial data loss isn't the
end of the world
2313 [21:50:46] <GNU\colossus> if it even comes to that
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2316 [21:52:14] <karlpinc> frzr: I've not been following
along but: The recommended approach is is to use dd (or ddrescue
even better) to copy the physical partition, then perform recovery
from there. The more you touch a drive that is physically going bad
the more will likely be lost. First get the data sectors, then
recover the filesystem/etc.
2317 [21:52:31] <karlpinc> Recover from a working disk.
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2333 [22:00:39] <mebus> hi! how can I get a valid gpg key for
squeeze, see:
replaced-url
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2336 [22:02:06] <greycat> I would imagine you do it by installing
squeeze, though why you would want to install a completely
unsupported, obsolete version of Debian is beyond me.
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2339 [22:02:23] <greycat> !archive
2340 [22:02:23] <dpkg> rumour has it, archive is a collection of
files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all
archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a
separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
releases, see
replaced-url
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2348 [22:04:48] <mebus> I'm using vyos and I need git :-P
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dont want to be that guy but i doubt the competence
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2522 [23:42:55] <qazwsxedcrfvtgby> Fuchs is a child molester
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2524 [23:43:18] <rustbuckett> does any know off hand how well the
wacom intuos ctl-4100 is supported in Debian Stretch?
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RussiaGate Coverage - ##replaced-url
2529 [23:44:21] <rustbuckett> I just got it, but it's not
Just Working. I haven't tried much beyond just plugging it in,
but it's not moving the pointer
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2533 [23:46:00] <zleap> rustbuckett: is this a usb device ?
2534 [23:46:26] <gislaved> hi guys do I need to d-i
partman-auto/choose_recipe select recipe-name upfront or after the
recipe ?
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