• 0[00:00:43] <preview> hallo, is anyone here familiar with setting up vnc on a local network? I've gotten ssh working, but vnc refuses connections any time I try to use it
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• 3[00:03:00] <th0r> preview, how are you starting vnc and how are you trying to access it?
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• 5[00:03:34] <preview> th0r: I'm usi9ng tigervnc server and client, and I made a systemd script to start the server on the host machine
• 6[00:03:46] <preview> so I use service scriptname start
• 7[00:05:24] <th0r> preview, have you checked to see if the server is actually running? (ps ax | grep vnc)
• 8[00:05:39] <preview> I just did that now, and it's not starting
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• 10[00:06:06] <th0r> preview, then the problem is probably in the script. Have you tried to start the vnc server from the command line to see if it runs and you can connect?
• 11[00:06:18] <preview> yes, I get this output: vncserver: Command 'ssh start tigervncserver '-geometry' '1900x1200' '-depth' '24' '-wmDecoration' '8x64'' failed: 65280
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• 14[00:07:02] <th0r> preview, what command line are you using?
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• 16[00:07:14] <preview> vncserver start
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• 18[00:07:31] <preview> tigervncserver asks for a password but doesn't seem to run?
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• 20[00:07:59] <th0r> preview, I don't use tightvncserver, but usually you start vnc with vncserver :0 (or vncserver :1)
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• 24[00:09:13] <th0r> preview, I run x11vnc on :0, which allows me to view it on the monitor while accessing it via vnc. But most people use :1, which starts vnc separate from what you see on the monitor connected to the computer
• 25[00:09:33] <preview> okay using tigervnc it starts, and tells me to connect using hostname:3, but when I try putting thta in vinagre it immediately tells me connection was closed
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• 27[00:10:01] <th0r> preview, try <ip address>:5903
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• 29[00:11:04] <preview> same error, immediately tells me connection was closed
• 30[00:11:26] <preview> I can access the other computer fine over ssh, maybe it's a port thing?
• 31[00:11:29] <th0r> preview, what did you use to start it? the error may be misleadding
• 32[00:11:39] <preview> uh connecting using vinagre
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• 34[00:11:51] <th0r> preview, no, what command did you use to start vncserver?
• 35[00:12:05] <preview> oh I jsut ran tigervncserver
• 36[00:12:10] <preview> *jsut
• 37[00:12:14] <preview> *just
• 38[00:12:15] <preview> haha
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• 40[00:12:57] <th0r> preview, did you try starting it with :1? And did you check the man page? It usually gives examples (I can't do that...I don't use tightvncserver)
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• 42[00:13:12] <preview> when I try and conneect via xtigervncviewer it tells me connection refused
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• 54[00:17:50] <preview> th0r: even when I start a connection using :1 iand connect via ipaddress:5901 it still tells me connection to host as closer.
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• 65[00:19:11] <preview> yeah connection refused from commandline as well (error 111)
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• 67[00:19:27] <th0r> preview, and again....try 'tigervncserver :1'. Then access it with vncviewer <ipaddress>:5901
• 68[00:19:27] <th0r> preview, the man page is pretty clear on it all
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• 71[00:19:29] <th0r> preview, once you can start it from the cli, you can start correcting the script
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• 75[00:19:50] <preview> th0r: I just did that, no luck : /
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• 85[00:22:32] <th0r> preview, according to this....replaced-url
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• 87[00:22:45] <th0r> preview, you need to use 6001 instead of 5901
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• 91[00:23:35] <preview> th0r: I checked using lsof and it _is_ using port 5901
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• 93[00:24:00] <th0r> preview, yup...that thread talks about tigervncserver using both 5901 and 6001. Like I said...I use x11vnc
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• 95[00:24:29] <preview> okay I'll try using that intead
• 96[00:24:40] <th0r> preview, you might want to check that thread...there is a bit of info in it.
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• 100[00:25:32] <GriffusSilver> Hello
• 101[00:25:47] <th0r> preview, the info on tigervnc also talks about creating a vnc user in a conf file, and defining a password
• 102[00:25:54] <GriffusSilver> Hello
• 103[00:26:15] <preview> th0r: x11vnc worked straight away
• 104[00:26:19] <preview> this is excellent, thanks!
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• 107[00:27:07] <GriffusSilver> Does anyone here know anything about driver creation?
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• 109[00:28:06] <GriffusSilver> I Guess Not
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• 114[00:33:40] <GriffusSilver> fuck
• 115[00:33:41] <GriffusSilver> fuck
• 116[00:33:44] <GriffusSilver> fuck
• 117[00:33:45] <GriffusSilver> fuck
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• 121[00:34:29] <GriffusSilver> metabot?
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• 125[00:35:32] <dmarr> i am using jessie, and installed gcc-5. what would i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to to have it pick up that compilers libstdc++?
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• 131[00:37:21] <ChmEarl> dmarr, what about g++-5?
• 132[00:38:08] <dmarr> ChmEarl: I think thats what I want
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• 136[00:38:58] <ChmEarl> dmarr, start a build, but abort it as configure ends with `set;exit 1`
• 137[00:39:16] <dmarr> ChmEarl: I used these steps to install gcc-5 replaced-url
• 138[00:39:30] <GriffusSilver> ..
• 139[00:39:33] <GriffusSilver> ...
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• 142[00:40:10] <dmarr> im trying to build with node-gyp and a little out of my territory
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• 146[00:40:34] <dmarr> i /think/ my build is failing because im using an older compiler
• 147[00:40:48] <jmcnaught> dmarr: installing packages from unstable on a jessie system was not a good idea. What else did it install as dependencies?
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• 151[00:41:39] <dmarr> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 157[00:42:51] <jmcnaught> dmarr: it upgraded your libc6… so you now have a frankendebian hybrid of oldstable and unstable.
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• 160[00:43:39] <dmarr> jmcnaught: ok, this is in a container - i can blow it away and maybe use a different approach
• 161[00:43:40] <jmcnaught> dmarr: you can *try* removing unstable from your sources.list, and manually reinstalling each of the packages listed in your gist to the jessie versions
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• 164[00:44:04] <jmcnaught> dmarr: can you use gcc 6? it's in stretch.
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• 168[00:45:14] <dmarr> jmcnaught: yes, if i can build a node image based off stretch successfully
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• 171[00:46:00] <jmcnaught> dmarr: you're going to be a lot more successful using Debian stable than you will be with an unsupported mix of oldstable and unstable. Debian is not designed to be able to mix releases like that
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• 173[00:46:38] <dmarr> jmcnaught: not sure if you are familiar with docker (i'm not very) but i am going to play with this Dockerfile and see if i can just s/jessie/stretch replaced-url
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• 177[00:50:35] <jmcnaught> dmarr: honestly i'm not a big fan of docker or node.js but since it seems to be building from source I don't see why you couldn't make it work with stretch
• 178[00:51:18] <dmarr> jmcnaught: that did get me past my compilation error!
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• 181[00:52:07] <jmcnaught> dmarr: have you tried building node.js from source in stretch that isn't a docker container?
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• 190[00:53:08] <jmcnaught> Debian doesn't actually have official Docker images as far as I know, so whatever 'Debian' image that is based on may actually be substantially different from Debian
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• 194[00:55:32] <zann3> Hey, anyone know does debian have cross compatible encryption tool that works with openbsd?
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• 196[00:56:11] <nkuttler> zann3: gpg?
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• 198[00:56:29] <zann3> oops mean container/full disk
• 199[00:56:36] <zann3> unless gpg can achieve that
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• 203[00:58:43] <dondelelcaro> zann3: not to my knowledge, though there was some noise about LUKS patches to *bsd
• 204[00:59:45] <dondelelcaro> zann3: replaced-url
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• 208[01:00:44] <dmarr> jmcnaught: i haven't.. i don't know how i would without procuring another machine
• 209[01:00:59] <dmarr> but thanks for the headsup
• 210[01:01:35] <dondelelcaro> zann3: but I'd be leery of any of the non-luks/non-softraid implementations
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• 213[01:02:31] <zann3> right thanks for info, I need to check that luks noise
• 214[01:03:09] <sandmaniandevil> hello
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• 218[01:04:11] <dmarr> jmcnaught: there is at least an official node:stretch image from the node people
• 219[01:04:11] <sandmaniandevil> I have never used IRC before
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• 223[01:04:44] <dmarr> i konw that doesn't mean much to you, but at least its less janky for me than maintaining a docker image
• 224[01:04:57] <sandmaniandevil> anyone there ?
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• 227[01:06:02] <sandmaniandevil> was wondering if anyone understands dirmngr
• 228[01:06:21] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: what in particular about it?
• 229[01:06:25] <sandmaniandevil> im used to using gnupg with gpg.conf as the default configuration file
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• 231[01:07:22] <dondelelcaro> please don't MSG me; keep it in the channel
• 232[01:07:38] <sandmaniandevil> sorry bout that
• 233[01:07:53] <sandmaniandevil> basically tho my issue is that I cant recieve remote keys
• 234[01:08:05] <sandmaniandevil> I keep getting error saying tor not running
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• 238[01:09:07] <sandmaniandevil> I ran "service tor restart" but I still get an error
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• 242[01:10:37] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: and you're using an onion keyserver or --use-tor?
• 243[01:11:45] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: again, please keep it in the channel
• 244[01:12:05] * dondelelcaro doesn't read MSGs
• 245[01:12:15] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: I have the cert and everything and my setup was fine using gnupg-curl and parcimonie and a solid configuration file with strong cyphers
• 246[01:12:34] <sandmaniandevil> sorry, new to IRC
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• 249[01:12:59] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: that's OK; the reason why you write everything here is so other people can follow in case I leave
• 250[01:13:11] <sandmaniandevil> understood
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• 256[01:14:38] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: Before recently, I know gpg defaulted to gpg.conf now my gpg.conf is obsolete and i cant --recv-keys
• 257[01:14:41] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: so you're using the sks keyserver with use-tor in your ~/.dirmngr or started with --use-tor?
• 258[01:14:49] <sandmaniandevil> correct
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• 260[01:15:10] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: right, gpg uses gpg.conf still but obtaining keys is done using dirmngr
• 261[01:15:53] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: okay does it spawn its own instance of tor ? because even manually starting it isnt working
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• 265[01:16:44] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: no, it requires that tor be running
• 266[01:17:16] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: okay, once its running I still recieve an error but not the "tor must be running error"
• 267[01:17:26] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: cool; what's the error?
• 268[01:17:37] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: now I get "no keyservers available"
• 269[01:18:52] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: cool; if you just run dirmngr --verbose; and something like KS_SEARCH don@debian.org; what gets returned?
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• 276[01:21:00] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: Hang on trying now
• 277[01:21:07] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: Thanks by the way
• 278[01:21:25] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: no problem
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• 280[01:22:10] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: it says "usage: dirmngr [options] --server"
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• 282[01:22:50] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: dirmngr --verbose; just exists?
• 283[01:22:54] <dondelelcaro> er, exits?
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• 285[01:23:27] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: which version of dirmngr is this?
• 286[01:23:28] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: my fault, ran that as a single line
• 287[01:23:31] <dondelelcaro> ah
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• 289[01:24:03] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: That seemed to work fine
• 290[01:24:07] <dondelelcaro> anyway, you should see it trying to connect to a keyserver and doing its thing
• 291[01:24:21] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: cool. and dirmngr --use-tor --verbose; works too now?
• 292[01:24:28] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: Returned information like fingerprint and whatnot
• 293[01:24:31] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: yep
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• 295[01:25:29] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: Its running but how do I know its using my CA ?
• 296[01:26:12] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: your CA?
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• 299[01:26:45] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: certificate of authority from sks-keyserver pool
• 300[01:27:38] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: it should be using that to verify the https certificate
• 301[01:28:22] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: So im used to using like "gpg --recv-key 0x(desiredkey)" Im assuming that from now on I need to run "dirmngr --use-tor -verbose" first everytime ?
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• 303[01:28:45] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: no; gpg will call dirmngr
• 304[01:29:14] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: and (in theory) dirmngr will keep running and will be used for subsequent gpg calls
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• 306[01:29:26] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: but it's easier to isolate dirmngr and figure out what is going on with it
• 307[01:29:54] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: you can specify a CA with --hkp-cacert, AFAIK
• 308[01:30:13] <dondelelcaro> sandmaniandevil: but I haven't tested whether that actually verifies it or just uses the system CAs
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• 310[01:30:33] <__[0_0]__> This might sound strange, but does anyone know how to force a logical volume into a "suspended" state? ;)
• 311[01:30:55] <sandmaniandevil> dondelelcaro: Excellent i really appreciate your help, Im gonna do some more research into dirmngr
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• 317[01:34:27] <GriffusSilver> helo
• 318[01:34:29] <GriffusSilver> hello
• 319[01:34:32] <GriffusSilver> hello
• 320[01:34:34] <GriffusSilver> hellop
• 321[01:34:37] <GriffusSilver> hello
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• 324[01:36:52] <aloo_shu> try ##chat
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• 328[01:39:42] <Learnerwind> Hi sdcard mounts find on android but fails to mount on debian.
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• 352[01:54:31] <aloo_shu> Learnerwind like sdcard in phone vs. sdcard in card reader slot or adapter on your computer?
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• 358[01:56:22] <Learnerwind> Yes
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• 362[01:56:51] <Learnerwind> aloo_shu: yes. The more I work with it me more complicated it gets
• 363[01:57:08] <Learnerwind> I am upgrading to see if it works
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• 367[01:58:39] <aloo_shu> Leranerwind you could always just plug the phone over USB and tell it to function as a mass storage device
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• 369[01:58:53] <aloo_shu> also sometimes manufacturesrs make that difficult
• 370[01:59:06] <aloo_shu> not a solution, but a workaraound..
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• 377[02:02:47] <Learnerwind> aloo_shu: But things here are gettin really messed up. When i do this i get a error in libmtp
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• 379[02:04:48] <HeXiLeD> logitech cam stopped working. It is plugged but replaced-url
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• 381[02:05:49] <Learnerwind> aloo_shu: But i am trying all workarounds i can think of and surely i Will fix it somehow. Thank you for the help anyway
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• 387[02:08:11] <Learnerwind> I found a computer which had the same issues, it was caused by a faulty usb port on the computer and it was confirmed to be the hardware since no matter what software was run on it it caused the same errors.
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• 389[02:08:17] <Learnerwind> Maybe thats the issue
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• 412[02:21:12] <simpledat> replaced-url
• 413[02:22:11] <aloo_shu> Learnerwind with mtp you're at the mercy of what the manufacturer wants to show. If you want to get nearer what is happening with the sdcard on the computer, use the lsusb command frequently while inserting the card adapter and card into the slot
• 414[02:23:03] <aloo_shu> it should recognise first the adapter, then the card itself
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• 419[02:25:44] <aloo_shu> Learnerwind and as workarounds are concerned, my favourite is putting ES explorer on the phone, using it's 'remote manager', actually a ftp server, and point my computer to that. phone and computer need to be on the same local network for that, i.e. same router or hotspot/ ad hoc
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• 422[02:26:22] <Masterphi> i have a screen session running a script, and I'd like to have it dump the output to a log file. Does anyone know how?
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• 427[02:29:11] <th0r> Masterphi, you might try piping the output....'scriptname > /location/of/logfile' (assuming you call it with a simple 'scriptname')
• 428[02:29:23] <aloo_shu> Learnerwind , the logs - type dmesg command , can also give you a clue on what happened if you use that after trying to have the computer recognize the sdcard. It also is what people more pro than me here will ask for.
• 429[02:29:32] <Masterphi> it's running already, i don't want to stop it th0r
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• 431[02:29:44] <Masterphi> I'm trying with Ctrl-a H
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• 433[02:29:55] <Masterphi> which tells screen to log it to a logfile
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• 435[02:30:29] <Masterphi> i think it's working :)
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• 484[02:59:09] <mod_> Hello
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• 486[02:59:16] <enthdegree> hello all
• 487[02:59:24] <enthdegree> are there any builtin tools to pastebin a file
• 488[02:59:36] <mod_> Are you going to dissapear like the rest of them>
• 489[02:59:44] <enthdegree> yes goodbye
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• 491[02:59:50] <mod_> XD
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• 503[03:05:03] <mod_> but damn
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• 505[03:07:12] <mandeep> on the gnome DE, when I hit super + L to lock the screen, it dims to black immediately. how do i stop this?
• 506[03:07:31] <PipeItToDevNull> mandeep, check the keyboard shortcuts for a lock
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• 508[03:07:58] <mandeep> PipeItToDevNull: huh?
• 509[03:08:13] <PipeItToDevNull> mandeep, check the keyboard shortcuts for a lock shortcut*
• 510[03:08:14] <mandeep> it goes to lockscreen but dims to black immediately afterwards. sorry if i wasnt clear
• 511[03:08:28] <PipeItToDevNull> Ah
• 512[03:08:31] <mandeep> super + L is the shortcut for lock screen
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• 515[03:10:06] <mandeep> hmm reading this replaced-url
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• 522[03:12:53] <mandeep> here's the issue replaced-url
• 523[03:13:42] <mod_> can anyone help me
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• 527[03:15:07] <wyoung> mod_: Perhaps a psychotherapist?
• 528[03:15:12] <nine_milli> is redhat faster than debian?
• 529[03:15:35] <wyoung> nine_milli: Is an orange faster than an apple?
• 530[03:15:39] <mod_> wyoung: haha no
• 531[03:16:00] <mod_> wyoung: i just need help with a unsupported wireless card on another computer
• 532[03:16:38] <nine_milli> everything i read states debian super slow compared to the latest redhat
• 533[03:16:48] <wyoung> mod_: ah, sorry man, if the manufactorers don't support linux and don't release what chipset they use then the best thing you can do is throw the wireless card in the bin and buy one that is supported.
• 534[03:16:48] <nine_milli> and up to 10 times slower than ubuntu
• 535[03:16:52] <tx> Provide some examples of "everything"
• 536[03:16:57] <bazhang> nine_milli, ask the ops here
• 537[03:17:05] <bazhang> nine_milli, or should I
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• 540[03:17:28] <mod_> wyoung: why not create a linux kernel driver?
• 541[03:17:38] <mod_> surely someone here knows how to do it
• 542[03:17:51] <wyoung> nine_milli: debian and redhat are linux distributions. They both contain software created by third parties that are bundled together. There is quite a big overlap on packages that are available in both.
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• 544[03:18:23] <nine_milli> i think debian should use rpm to get the same fast packages
• 545[03:18:54] <wyoung> mod_: If the manufactorer doesn't release the specs on their wireless card / chip then you can't really do that. Unless you want to reverse engineer it but it would be cheaper in time and my costs to do that for you if you just buy another wireless card. USB ones are like ~$40
• 546[03:19:05] <bazhang> nine_milli, please take the games elsewhere
• 547[03:19:26] <wyoung> nine_milli: how a package is packaged doesn't make it faster or slower. Although I think you know that are you are just trolling,
• 548[03:19:27] <mod_> $40!
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• 550[03:19:46] <mod_> wyoung: i could get 2 bananapi's with that
• 551[03:19:53] <bazhang> nine_milli, there are NO 'fast' packages
• 552[03:20:00] <wyoung> mod_: I will charge you $30,000 to reverse engineer and create a linux kernel module for you.
• 553[03:20:32] <nine_milli> i just saw a commercial that said it can significantly speed up your computer and i think it’s do to rpms
• 554[03:20:41] <wyoung> It probably won't have all features though, and may drop out or segfault several times.
• 555[03:20:52] <nine_milli> mycleanpc.com
• 556[03:20:54] <wyoung> nine_milli: I think you should leave now
• 557[03:21:12] <wyoung> Are the ops asleep or something?
• 558[03:21:34] <mod_> wyoung: lmao i could do it with $10,000 at least
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• 560[03:22:49] <mod_> wyoung:What if i have the datasheet for my wifi card?
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• 562[03:23:02] <mod_> could i make a driver then?
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• 568[03:27:05] <uniqdom> how does a disk/fs encryption works? Do I need to type a password to decrypt the disk/fs after every reboot?
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• 571[03:27:38] <ryouma> yes
• 572[03:27:44] <ryouma> typically
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• 575[03:28:07] <ryouma> but fs every mount or so perhaps
• 576[03:28:20] <uniqdom> what if I want to encrypt a headless machine?
• 577[03:28:31] <uniqdom> a Raspberry Pi.
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• 579[03:29:08] <uniqdom> after a reboot it will not work, right?
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• 592[03:36:28] <nine_milli> which distro is the official distro of the mlb?
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• 594[03:36:51] <bazhang> nine_milli, contact them and ask
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• 598[03:39:33] <mod_> *mlb = major league baseball
• 599[03:40:01] <bazhang> and offtopic by miles here
• 600[03:40:20] <IRCuser1> why would mlb have a distro?
• 601[03:40:33] <bazhang> IRCuser1, they wouldnt
• 602[03:40:44] <bazhang> nine_milli, just likes wasting time
• 603[03:40:45] <nine_milli> they could have endorsed one
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• 605[03:41:09] <IRCuser1> they use Debian BallsOut
• 606[03:41:40] <nine_milli> replaced-url
• 607[03:41:48] <nine_milli> real news fox
• 608[03:41:55] <IRCuser1> Ooo-bunt-ooo
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• 610[03:42:50] <mod_> hey bazhang home many channels are you on?
• 611[03:43:03] <nine_milli> he trolls 2/3 of them
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• 748[05:25:19] <sigmaorion> hi everybody! I'm trying to figure out where to configure persistent static routes. If I simply add them manually, the routes will be deleted when the system is restarted or even when the dhcp server changes the IP of my workstation.
• 749[05:26:07] <sigmaorion> I've tried by using post-up commands on /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesn't seem to work at all
• 750[05:26:31] <sigmaorion> any help is appreciated
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• 752[05:27:12] <tw> dhcp server can push additional routes besides the default. post-up will work for non-dynamic interfaces. dhclient and udhcpc can be configured to call a script when they recieve events and you could re-add the routes after recieving an event.
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• 755[05:28:24] <sigmaorion> hi tw, understood, very clear
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• 757[05:28:41] <sigmaorion> pushing the routes from the dhcp server is not an option as I have no control over it
• 758[05:28:59] <tw> I'd go with the dhclient script then.
• 759[05:29:02] <sigmaorion> so I should use the enter and exit hooks on dhcpc
• 760[05:29:10] <sigmaorion> sorry, dhclient I meant
• 761[05:29:17] <sigmaorion> correct?
• 762[05:29:49] <jelly> or use prepend/append on correct attributes in dhclient.conf
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• 764[05:29:56] <jelly> similar to
• 765[05:30:00] <jelly> !override dns
• 766[05:30:00] <dpkg> To have dhclient use a specific nameserver rather than one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf; man 5 dhclient.conf for more. You can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf. Beware crazy ideas like chattr +i. replaced-url
• 767[05:30:58] <sigmaorion> prepend/append, I haven't heard of those, I will google around then
• 768[05:31:17] <sigmaorion> so I can use those, not only to set DNS servers, but also to set routes?
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• 770[05:32:00] <tw> i've never heard of anyone adding routes with it, but it'll probably work.
• 771[05:32:10] <tw> option static-routes looks right.
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• 775[05:33:31] <jelly> or maybe not replaced-url
• 776[05:33:47] <sigmaorion> according to man dhcp-options, static-routes is not useful for classless routing
• 777[05:34:07] <sigmaorion> exactly! that's what I was referring to, thanks jelly
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• 779[05:34:45] <sigmaorion> so, only chances look like the hooks
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• 784[05:37:56] <jelly> /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/rfc3442-classless-routes is in place on debian 8 and 9
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• 787[05:39:38] <sigmaorion> well, actually I'm on a derivate of Debian... NEMS on Raspberry PI 3, and it's not there
• 788[05:39:56] <sigmaorion> so I will look at that file from a real good friend Debian :)
• 789[05:40:01] <jelly> do you have isc-dhcp-client installed at all
• 790[05:40:25] <sigmaorion> isc-dhcp-cliente... I don't think so, let me see
• 791[05:40:56] <sigmaorion> oh, yes, it is there!
• 792[05:40:58] <jelly> if your os uses a different dhcp client, you'll have to figure out that one
• 793[05:41:10] <sigmaorion> isc-dhcp-client 4.3.5-3
• 794[05:41:31] <sigmaorion> I didn't know the name of the package, sorry
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• 796[05:42:09] <Photon> Apt-get fails whenever I use install or upgrade. The terminal complately freezes. There become 2 apt processes- the command normally and the command as sudo. apt-get install -f didn't help. reinstalling apt didn't work. Using dpkg-reconfigure apt didn't work.
• 797[05:42:49] <Photon> Nothing in dmesg
• 798[05:43:03] <Photon> It was working a week ago as far as I know
• 799[05:43:26] <jelly> sigmaorion: no idea what NEMS is, but derivatives tend to change things which is one of the reasons they're not supported in this channel
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• 803[05:44:50] <sigmaorion> jelly, I totally understand and your help has already helped a lot! I really appreciate it!
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• 805[05:45:11] <jelly> sigmaorion: I'd ask in #raspberrypi perhaps, or ##linux, or install actual Debian and continue here :>
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• 809[05:46:43] <Photon> Anyone?
• 810[05:47:03] <sigmaorion> jelly, I'm using RPi for test purposes, when the real server comes I will use real Debian and come back :) thanks again!
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• 817[05:51:27] <cruncher> !bat
• 818[05:51:27] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 821[05:51:46] <Photon> K
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• 842[06:06:09] <jim> Photon. did you alter sources.list in the last week?
• 843[06:06:27] <Photon> replaced-url
• 844[06:06:28] <Photon> Nope
• 845[06:06:41] <Photon> It freezes after confirming
• 846[06:08:39] <jim> one thing I notice is it mentions that you have ubuntu sources and debian sources... so, what did you start with? debian or ubuntu?
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• 851[06:09:24] <Photon> I don't know, I haven't used the server for long (they just let me get onto it recently)
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• 853[06:09:30] <Photon> I'll ask
• 854[06:09:50] <Photon> Right now it's debian
• 855[06:09:55] <jim> it's good they're present
• 856[06:10:04] <jim> what was it when it was installed?
• 857[06:10:44] <Photon> Debian
• 858[06:11:43] <jim> ok, here are the choices I see,... you can backup what you can (and you should make sure to do this pretty much regardless, and then...
• 859[06:11:53] <jim> )
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• 861[06:12:40] <Photon> And then..?
• 862[06:13:01] <tesko> what is a good pop3 mail delivery program? i tried fetchmail and getmail, failed both attempts.. something was screwy with the code in each
• 863[06:13:16] <jim> you could dig really hard and find the problematic packages (likely they're ones that came from the ubuntu sources (there's a word for these kinds of combinations... franken-debian)
• 864[06:13:43] <jim> or you could (again -back up-!) reinstall
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• 866[06:14:04] <nkuttler> tesko: fetchmail
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• 868[06:14:49] <jim> the latter is -probably- your quickest way to get a machine that's working, and I'd recommend that you be -very- careful where your packages come from:
• 869[06:14:51] <tesko> tried it nkuttler, kept getting errors in code
• 870[06:15:11] <nkuttler> !tell tesko about errors
• 871[06:15:25] <jim> is this (probably not a) debian running now?
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• 873[06:15:45] <tesko> oh im sorry about that
• 874[06:16:49] <Photon> It's debian now?
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• 876[06:17:33] <Henry151> looking at replaced-url
• 877[06:17:39] <jim> well what might convert it, is if things like the kernel or libc are replaced with ubuntu versions
• 878[06:17:51] <jim> I don't know if this already happened
• 879[06:18:04] <Henry151> asking here because they're rendering fine on my android phone through chrome, but not on my debian machine with firefox
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• 881[06:19:00] <tesko> debian is a lot better since the time i had it installed years ago i actually prefer it now to FreeBSD, denouncing my religion
• 882[06:19:01] <Henry151> it's not the first time I've seen these little square symbols either, it seems like there are a number of symbols (unicode symbols I think?) that aren't rendering on this machine
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• 884[06:19:35] <Henry151> I have loved debian since way before I could ever get it to install correctly on anything :D
• 885[06:19:49] <tesko> lol Henry151
• 886[06:20:02] <Henry151> the manpages on the website that I spent hours reading for the installation that i never got to work, made me fall in love
• 887[06:20:16] <Henry151> this was like 10 years ago
• 888[06:20:31] <Henry151> fast-forward to now and I need some help with my unicode symbols that aren't rendering properly
• 889[06:20:34] <Henry151> :D
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• 891[06:20:46] <n4dir> i did it the chicken way: hitting the enter key a couple of times. seems to work too.
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• 893[06:21:23] <Henry151> n4dir: I always had trouble because I was on a laptop which needed proprietary wifi drivers and never had access to an ethernet cable with internet
• 894[06:21:38] <jim> Photon, you should ask them what they wanted from ubuntu, and, if they were to do a reinstall, whether they prefer ubuntu or debian... if they want to do ubuntu, it would be better if this conversation continued on #ubuntu, where you can figure out how to install, and also what to install
• 895[06:21:39] <n4dir> yeah, i thought so. guess i mainly had luck.
• 896[06:21:43] <tesko> i also like that debian has a handbook like freebsd
• 897[06:22:10] <Henry151> so I download the iso, burn it onto a usb thumbdrive, wipe out windows on my only internet-capable machine, and then can't connect to the internet because no wifi drivers and am stuck for two weeks until I buy an ethernet cable, go to the library, and talk them into letting me plug in
• 898[06:22:14] <jim> if on the other hand they say they prefer debian, we would continue here
• 899[06:22:24] <Photon> Yeah, probably debian
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• 902[06:23:34] <tesko> net install is the best imo
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• 904[06:24:26] <jim> Photon, find out for sure... (a) what their preference is, and (b) what they had installed from ubuntu
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• 906[06:25:35] <jim> also (c) whether they want to try to save the installation they have, or to reinstall
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• 908[06:26:24] <jim> if they want to save it, then we're back to that pastebin
• 909[06:26:36] <nine_milli> jim just never stops trollin
• 910[06:27:15] <jim> if reinstall, well there would no longer be an issue, but you need to back up first
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• 916[06:27:55] <Photon> I'm going to reinstall debian. Performing a backup now
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• 919[06:28:12] <aloo_shu> Henry151 'the iso', there are a few, take a live image, run it from your pendrive, and you'll know if your wifi works. Delete any photos, movies stuff that takes space from windows, defrag it under windows, resize to minimum + 500MB from live medium/gparted, install. you have a backup. delete and use the space when you're confident
• 920[06:28:17] <jim> ok good... what is the purpose of the machine?
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• 925[06:30:03] <Photon> Hosts a bunch of sub servers
• 926[06:30:24] <jim> like vm guests?
• 927[06:31:12] <jim> can you speak to the general purpose of the sub servers?
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• 930[06:31:24] <Photon> Sorry
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• 932[06:31:41] <Photon> I'll be honest.. it hosts a bunch of minecraft servers.
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• 934[06:32:53] <jim> ok, would you say the servers are running a particular state? are any of them serving games now?
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• 936[06:33:28] <Photon> I'll be stopping them all.
• 937[06:33:38] <jim> I dunno how a minecraft server works exactly, whether they keep a state or not
• 938[06:33:59] <Photon> Just the JVM
• 939[06:34:11] <jim> they're java?
• 940[06:34:18] <Photon> It's just a java program, yeah
• 941[06:35:02] <Photon> Running the backup
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• 943[06:35:19] <jim> it -seems- like it would be easy to start up again -if- you have the server code (not necessarily the source)
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• 946[06:35:52] <Photon> Not sure what you mean. Servers are very easy to start up.
• 947[06:36:51] <Photon> The only major flaw with our setup is that we're using screen to keep track of the consoles, and that's a pita. Also a permissions problem, because we have multiple users that can't be root, and we start the screen instances under root. So only sysadmins can access the consoles.
• 948[06:37:22] <rguz> Photon, try a wrapper for them?
• 949[06:37:32] <jim> ok, anyway you're backing the whole thing up, a good thing
• 950[06:37:38] <Photon> A wrapper for the servers? How would that work?
• 951[06:37:57] <rguz> and why start the instances as root? a seperate user is prefered
• 952[06:38:12] <Photon> And actually it's just a backup of the server files themselves =P Even if something goes terribly wrong I have a backup location that can host everything for a bit
• 953[06:38:17] <rguz> more of a web panel I mean... been out of running MC servers for a while
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• 955[06:38:33] <Photon> Well, we've moved away from panels.
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• 957[06:39:24] <Photon> Multicraft is the most popular, and has more than earned its nickname 'multicrap' and another really nice panel called pterodactyl was just a pain to maintain. It used a bunch of docker containers
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• 961[06:40:03] <rguz> I used to manage 50+ instances on 30+ physical machines... multi was kind of a savior so the lower level guys could maintain it
• 962[06:40:05] <Photon> Now we just want to use the cli; easy to maintain, and good experience for everyone else
• 963[06:40:19] <Photon> Wow
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• 965[06:41:03] <Photon> I've never personally set up a panel, but it was so bad that the guy that did just gave up
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• 968[06:41:24] <rguz> its not exactly hard, boot a lab vm and try it?
• 969[06:41:37] <Photon> Apparently pterodactyl had to go so far as to have a custom kernel (does that explain the ubuntu packages? O.o)
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• 971[06:42:22] <jim> Photon, what's your uname -r?
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• 973[06:42:55] <Photon> 3.16.0-4-amd64
• 974[06:43:13] <jim> that looks like jessie-1
• 975[06:43:17] <Photon> Yup
• 976[06:43:25] <Photon> A bit outdated anyway
• 977[06:43:56] <jim> so I don't think the kernel is ubuntu (and maybe not custom too)
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• 979[06:44:44] <Photon> To be honest I'm not exactly sure how that was supposed to work, I just know it set up a lot of docker instances
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• 981[06:45:33] <jim> so, maybe we would install docker once you're reinstalled
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• 983[06:46:26] <Photon> For pterodactyl or for use to use ourselves?
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• 985[06:46:28] <jim> just so you know, this is probably going to take a few days to get together... so if it's critical, you might want to start up your spare server
• 986[06:46:43] <Photon> Alright.
• 987[06:47:07] <rguz> why not backup and just reinstall?
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• 991[06:48:02] <Photon> Our current setup is a little messy anyways, I figure if we're going to reinstall the server, we might as well improve our situation while we're at it
• 992[06:48:43] <jim> that's what he's doing now, but from what he's said, there are some things that I don't personally know how to do (maybe he/they do, or maybe #debian folk do, depending on the task)
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• 994[06:48:54] <Photon> Isn't Docker just a container that has dependencies or whatever that a program needs to run inside it? I've never used docker, and have only looked it up a couple times
• 995[06:49:14] <rguz> Photon, are you planning on using a wrapper or do you want to stay away
• 996[06:49:19] <rguz> s/wrapper/panel
• 997[06:49:36] <Photon> I would rather not use a wrapper, but if I can find a really good one I might consider it.
• 998[06:49:40] <jim> Photon, I'm hoping it'd be an improvement if you installed, and maintained sources for, only one thing
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• 1002[06:50:36] <rguz> If youre not using one, specifically pterodactyl you shouldnt need docker.
• 1003[06:50:41] <Photon> So you're saying stick to a panel or..?
• 1004[06:50:49] <Photon> Alright
• 1005[06:51:03] <Photon> He mentioned docker, so I wasn't sure if it'd be useful for something else
• 1006[06:51:09] <jim> also, and this is likely very important: you will want to keep a (pencil/paper) notebook that details how to (1) install the underlying OS, (2) what software to install and (3) how to start up the servers
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• 1008[06:51:58] <Photon> Yup
• 1009[06:52:10] <Photon> Starting the servers is trivial
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• 1015[06:54:11] <jim> if you had just debian, and packages only from debian (and only from the version of debian you installed) and you documented everything like I outlined, you'd be able to cookie-cutter machines to run minecraft servers on
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• 1018[06:54:30] <rguz> Photon, talking to some people who still run mc servers, ill ping you when I have a better answer on how to manage these
• 1019[06:54:49] <Photon> I'll be going offline in 7 minutes unfortunately
• 1020[06:55:24] <Photon> Would you like to use another way to contact me or nah?
• 1021[06:55:41] <jim> why, what's going on?
• 1022[06:56:09] <Photon> The internet needs to go down (not my choice) -.-
• 1023[06:56:30] <Photon> And sleep probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
• 1024[06:56:35] <Photon> Sorry though
• 1025[06:56:47] <rguz> you can get me on here at pretty much any time
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• 1027[06:56:55] <Photon> Alright
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• 1029[06:57:07] <jim> ok, I would suggest that until it comes back, you do the backup/reinstall and then come back when the net does
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• 1031[06:57:29] <jim> and keep careful notes so you can duplicate this!
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• 1034[06:58:19] <Photon> I will
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• 1036[06:58:41] <jim> ok, so not much to do in the 1-2 mins we got left
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• 1038[06:58:52] <Photon> Yeah.
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• 1041[06:59:23] <Photon> I should be back online by ~1:00 EST tomorrow if all goes well, +- an hour
• 1042[06:59:26] <jim> but I think you'll have a much more stable result
• 1043[06:59:49] <Photon> Hope so
• 1044[06:59:55] <jim> meetoo
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• 1046[07:01:09] <jim> maybe see you then... there are much better people than I to help
• 1047[07:01:42] <Photon> Staying to talk to me after hearing the word Minecraft was amazing enough!
• 1048[07:02:05] <Photon> Most people assume I'm an idiot (maybe they're right) and I should be ignored or something.
• 1049[07:02:15] <Photon> So thank you for that- you too, rguz
• 1050[07:02:30] <jim> well it's about helping you learn to tend the server
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• 1052[07:03:03] <Photon> Yup. Doing this for experience
• 1053[07:03:04] <Photon> Running linux as my main os isn't enough
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• 1055[07:03:13] <Photon> (arch, sorry xD)
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• 1057[07:03:40] <rguz> i started mc servers years ago, has greatly helped me professinally
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• 1059[07:03:58] <Photon> Are you serious?
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• 1061[07:05:05] <rguz> Of course
• 1062[07:06:17] <jim> so -maybe- your best bet is to install stretch
• 1063[07:06:39] <Photon> I'm learning java, kotlin, mysql, postgres, debian, and arch as much as I can in an attempt to have a head start, not sure if it's enough
• 1064[07:06:50] <Photon> And go
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• 1066[07:07:10] <jim> what are you doing/reading to learn kotlin?
• 1067[07:07:19] <Photon> Stretch apparently hasn't yet been released?
• 1068[07:07:36] <jim> yes it has, about a month ago
• 1069[07:07:41] <Photon> Self taught in everything. Just experimenting, reading docs, etc
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• 1071[07:07:54] <Photon> Not hard to pick up after java
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• 1073[07:08:04] <jim> what docs do you have? I couldn't find anything
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• 1075[07:08:13] <Photon> Kotlin's docs are pretty good
• 1076[07:08:45] <Photon> How couldn't you find anything? What'd you search?
• 1077[07:08:53] <jim> do you run the kotlin programs on linux boxes? on your debian?
• 1078[07:09:07] <jim> I think I started looking for kotlin videos
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• 1081[07:09:56] <jim> couple weeks ago
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• 1083[07:10:27] <Photon> Kotlin runs on the jvm. It compiles to the same bytecode as java does, so they're nearly interchangeable. It doesn't matter, but I can run it wherever the jvm is allowed. Mostly my main computer, because it isn't popular yet, and we need our codebase to be sonsistent
• 1084[07:10:37] <Photon> Have you touched java?
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• 1086[07:10:44] <Photon> replaced-url
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• 1089[07:11:10] <jim> yeah, learned java years ago
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• 1091[07:11:24] <Photon> Good, should be able to dive right in
• 1092[07:11:36] <Photon> Syntax is a bit different, but just less verbose
• 1093[07:11:51] <Photon> Underlying concepts are obviously nearly the same
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• 1095[07:12:23] <jim> yeah, I realized it was a dropin for java classes
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• 1100[07:15:08] <jim> thanks for the link
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• 1102[07:15:36] <tesko> would you trust an airplane whos computer system is in java
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• 1104[07:15:57] <jim> hell no :)
• 1105[07:16:05] <tesko> hahaha\ :D
• 1106[07:16:45] <jim> would you trust a robot doctor programmed in java performing brain surgery on your son
• 1107[07:16:47] <LeelooMinai> Depends on who wrote it. Would take competent person + java vs incommpetent + c any time:)
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• 1113[07:17:49] <jim> well the incompetent in C would have to do pointers and dyn mem alloc
• 1114[07:18:24] <LeelooMinai> That is supposed to somehow be a plus? :)
• 1115[07:18:29] <Photon> How about rust? A safer alternative
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• 1117[07:18:51] <Photon> Or what I'm learning, Go
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• 1119[07:19:08] <Photon> C-like, with a garbage collector =D
• 1120[07:19:12] <LeelooMinai> Too immature imo - tried Rust actually.
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• 1123[07:19:24] <Photon> Rust is?
• 1124[07:19:35] <LeelooMinai> Photon: C + gc = D from what I know.
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• 1128[07:20:06] <rjsalts> Surely this is a conversation that belongs on #debian-offtopic
• 1129[07:20:07] <Photon> Lost me
• 1130[07:20:09] <LeelooMinai> That was my impression of Rust - I mean, no wonder, tooling is a bit limited.
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• 1132[07:20:29] <LeelooMinai> Wait, this is #debian...
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• 1138[07:21:17] <Photon> Wow ok
• 1139[07:21:19] <LeelooMinai> For my defence - it looked like conversation on other channels:)
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• 1142[07:21:43] <LeelooMinai> OR defense even
• 1143[07:21:58] <Photon> De fence was broken
• 1144[07:21:59] <rjsalts> I think this is generally supposed to be for support stuff, although sometimes that does get offtopic
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• 1147[07:22:19] <Photon> Every irc gets off topic at some point
• 1148[07:22:40] <Photon> Let it be washed away by the quit messages (if you have them enabled)
• 1149[07:22:45] <LeelooMinai> And every off-topic conversation ends with Hitler at some point.
• 1150[07:23:11] <Photon> s/Hitler/rjsalts
• 1151[07:23:18] <Photon> I tried
• 1152[07:23:34] <tesko> oh yeah irc is part of the dark web now
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• 1155[07:23:57] <Photon> wat lol
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• 1160[07:24:19] <tesko> lol
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• 1166[07:24:39] <LeelooMinai> To be more on topic: ,aybe someone knows how to list ports + processes listening on them, but in sorted by port way?
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• 1168[07:24:48] <Photon> I mean technically isn't the dark web just stuff unindexed by search engines
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• 1170[07:24:58] <LeelooMinai> Cannot find sort in netstat
• 1171[07:25:00] <rjsalts> LeelooMinai: ss -p
• 1172[07:25:01] <numbdewd> LeelooMinai: netstat -natp ?
• 1173[07:25:03] <Photon> Uh I use netstat -nlp
• 1174[07:25:14] <Photon> lol
• 1175[07:25:19] <tesko> yes, there is the reason
• 1176[07:25:36] <numbdewd> also, fuser -n tcp 22 would list stuff on tcp 22 along with pid(s)... then I'd do "ps aux|grep <pid>"
• 1177[07:25:41] <tesko> lol Photon
• 1178[07:25:49] <LeelooMinai> I wanted sorted by port
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• 1180[07:26:20] <Photon> Print that to a file, use vim to sort it
• 1181[07:26:26] * Photon runs
• 1182[07:26:31] <rjsalts> LeelooMinai: source port, or destination port?
• 1183[07:26:42] <LeelooMinai> The port the process listens to
• 1184[07:26:52] <Photon> Anyways, g'night all
• 1185[07:26:53] <rjsalts> LeelooMinai: so only listening sockets?
• 1186[07:27:05] <LeelooMinai> Photon: I know I can pipe it to sort, but I thought maybe in real time, like top
• 1187[07:27:14] <LeelooMinai> rjsalts: right
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• 1191[07:28:24] <tesko> hell what's the difference between the dark web and the deep web
• 1192[07:28:30] <LeelooMinai> I sometimes lol at manual pages for commands like netstat - it's like option overload
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• 1194[07:29:15] <LeelooMinai> I bet somewhere there's a top 10 list of commands with the highest number of switches.
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• 1196[07:29:51] <numbdewd> im greatful somsone put all that much effort in for at times seemingly small stuff.. knowing of it, some times may figure ways it can solve kewl things u wouldnt normally think of, or otherwise have much more hassle dealing with
• 1197[07:30:30] <numbdewd> =]
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• 1199[07:31:01] <rjsalts> LeelooMinai: you can put it all in watch "ss -lnp | tail -n +2 | sort -n -k 5"
• 1200[07:31:03] <LeelooMinai> Yes, instead of doing it yourself in 20 minutes, you do it in 19, from which 18 is reading the manual pages:)
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• 1204[07:32:05] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, there's an ss command? What do you have German distribution? :p
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• 1206[07:32:46] <Vizva> it would be nice here too not to talk too much offtopic
• 1207[07:32:58] <rjsalts> replaced-url
• 1208[07:33:07] <Vizva> and in time hitler there was no computer like today
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• 1210[07:33:16] <Vizva> today you must to go to usa for ss
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• 1212[07:33:53] <LeelooMinai> Vizva: Nice: first blame for off topic, and then go more off topic:p
• 1213[07:34:20] <Vizva> ok yes can we talk about debian?
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• 1216[07:34:52] <LeelooMinai> Sure: debian debians.
• 1217[07:35:16] <Vizva> we are human but to read all nonsense is not easy
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• 1219[07:35:50] <jim> not adding nonsense would help with that :)
• 1220[07:35:53] <numbdewd> the trick is to perceive it as something else than 'nonsense'.
• 1221[07:35:56] <darxmurf> morning all
• 1222[07:36:00] <numbdewd> Good morning
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• 1224[07:36:03] <jim> hi
• 1225[07:36:27] <LeelooMinai> Vizva: A lot of things make not sense until they do though - you never know:)
• 1226[07:36:36] <Vizva> to ask for topic related isnt so bad
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• 1228[07:38:21] <LeelooMinai> Imo better to say something on-topic instead.
• 1229[07:38:26] <jim> Vizva, all you have to do is be on topic :)
• 1230[07:39:07] <Vizva> i was in channel tor in oftc.net - if you talk the wrong thing ---- <pastly> Please make sure your questions are related to Tor.
• 1231[07:39:14] <Vizva> hehe
• 1232[07:39:17] <Vizva> i did like that
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• 1235[07:40:36] <jim> typical unfortunately
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• 1243[07:43:48] <tesko> im going to write a book called debionics and start a religion, thats for the idea LeelooMinai
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• 1247[07:44:32] <LeelooMinai> Start? Another one? :)
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• 1249[07:45:03] <tesko> "in the beginning... there was a mass of 0's and 1's
• 1250[07:45:18] <tesko> blah blah blah
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• 1252[07:46:03] <tesko> "and the programmer created debian, and he saw it to be good so he put a swirl on it"
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• 1260[07:48:49] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, too bad srot -t option does not take more than one separator: need space + :
• 1261[07:49:45] <tesko> " and the super user created sudo, and a list of the sudoers to keep them in check. only the mighty use su, sudo users were do be downcast as the lazy ;)"
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• 1265[07:51:00] <tesko> " the 1 commandment is not to try to "rm -rf /"
• 1266[07:51:23] <tesko> and im done
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• 1269[07:51:55] <tesko> i dont exactly think you can do that for real anyway even as root
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• 1271[07:52:13] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, let me see
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• 1278[07:53:30] <sandmaniandevil> anyone running kali? quick question
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• 1325[08:14:06] <Haohmaru> *crickets*
• 1326[08:14:28] <numbdewd> *tumbleweed*
• 1327[08:14:53] <eck> tru
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• 1334[08:18:42] <tesko> BOOM
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• 1336[08:19:45] <tesko> hi Haohmaru and numbdewd
• 1337[08:20:31] <numbdewd> aloha tesko
• 1338[08:20:46] <tesko> heya
• 1339[08:20:54] <Ormu> :O
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• 1343[08:21:57] <tesko> numbdewd, do you know how to get gzdoom running, doesnt work too well for me
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• 1345[08:22:29] <tesko> and the repository of drdteam has broken packages
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• 1347[08:23:03] <tesko> and weird dependancies
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• 1349[08:23:36] <numbdewd> hm, nope sorry afraid not..:/
• 1350[08:24:01] <tesko> just once id like to play brutal doom
• 1351[08:24:29] <numbdewd> guess no help/use for that/whatever u're upto, but here's some alternate ways to play some of them old games incase didn't know of this..seemingly dosbox ported to Javascript.. (theyve got loadsa games,among other things.. even Lemmings :o) ~> replaced-url
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• 1353[08:25:14] <tesko> myabandonware dot com
• 1354[08:25:16] <numbdewd> what does "doesnt work too well" mean.. error codes/info... any further details on that, may possibly aid others in assisting you and yield more results Id think likely.
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• 1357[08:25:43] <numbdewd> hm. kewl^^
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• 1360[08:27:15] <bub_> replaced-url
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• 1362[08:27:28] <bub_> and rare releases.. on PC
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• 1365[08:28:55] <numbdewd> :o =D thanks guys..interesting. noted down !
• 1366[08:29:17] <tesko> everyone loves some classic gmaes
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• 1368[08:31:35] <numbdewd> any1 played old Doom ages ago may njoy this remastering of some of the classic tunes in there~> replaced-url
• 1369[08:32:00] <tesko> they did that for brutal doom
• 1370[08:32:13] <tesko> metal tracks
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• 1372[08:32:31] <bub_> I like the fact that early brutal doom used real pictures of gore from accidents, in the game
• 1373[08:32:39] <bub_> he got rid of it after too many people complained about it
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• 1375[08:33:36] <numbdewd> lol =o hopefully complaints concerned bad rendering/artistic qualities, and not just giving in to whining..! :d imo neway!
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• 1377[08:34:03] <Ormu> photogrammetry at accident site, now that's a new way of gamedeving
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• 1443[09:14:15] <BerryJin> Hi, I come across this problem, "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 1444[09:14:15] <BerryJin> libc6-dbg:i386 : Depends: libc6:i386 (= 2.24-11+deb9u1) but it is not going to be installed", after tracking the dependence of the package, I found that libgcc1:i386 is not available on the Debian 9 amd64
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• 1446[09:15:43] <BerryJin> Someone has ideas to solve this problem?
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• 1448[09:16:29] <numbdewd> amd64.. the package name implies i386 rather.. may be not wrong it ain't available there? =S
• 1449[09:16:43] <numbdewd> (sry; might be im confused or otherwise too n00b to understand watcha meant..hmz.)
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• 1451[09:17:08] <Henry151> I'm having trouble getting some flash content to load in mozilla
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• 1453[09:17:51] <Henry151> specifically, the content on this page: replaced-url
• 1454[09:18:03] <numbdewd> oh it's just the browser-exploits doing their thing.. I don't think it's flash itself being at fault, besides the presumed numerous known and unknown bugs that is.
• 1455[09:18:16] <Henry151> now I've tried installing browser-plugin-gnash
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• 1457[09:18:26] <numbdewd> try the firefox extensions named along the lines of "no flash" or such maybe
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• 1459[09:18:36] <Henry151> and now it starts to load but then just spins in circles
• 1460[09:18:47] <Henry151> hm
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• 1463[09:19:26] <Henry151> in the past I've been able to get flash working on my kali machines by downloading an up-to-date npapi file and setting it up manually
• 1464[09:19:38] <Henry151> but I just thought there would be some nice Debianly way to do things
• 1465[09:19:42] <Henry151> so I came here to ask
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• 1467[09:20:14] <Henry151> also I was surprised to find no package called "flashplugin-nonfree"
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• 1469[09:20:59] <BerryJin> @numbdewd The OS is amd64 Debain9, and I'm trying to install a i386 package
• 1470[09:21:01] <Henry151> I have encountered flash problems enough times that my immediate reaction was "apt install flashplugin-nonfree" because that usually works on kali for 99% of the flash I encounter, and then when it doesn't work, I download the npapi file and go that route
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• 1473[09:21:27] <Henry151> but now I'm in debian and want to do everything correctly
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• 1475[09:21:44] <Henry151> including file my taxes
• 1476[09:21:46] <Henry151> woot woot
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• 1482[09:22:10] <Henry151> I guess I'll just have them mail me paper copies of the forms, or I'll print them out and fill them out and mail them in
• 1483[09:22:16] <Henry151> it's whatever
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• 1485[09:22:34] <Henry151> but I'm sad about it
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• 1493[09:25:28] <Henry151> ok I'm downloading the npapi tar.gz from adobe .... where do i put the file again?
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• 1496[09:26:08] <tesko> whats npapi?
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• 1498[09:26:36] <Henry151> lord if i know but they have ppapi and npapi versions and I remember npapi was the one I got working in kali
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• 1500[09:26:45] <Henry151> I just forget where I had to extract the archive
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• 1502[09:27:11] <Henry151> I'm really upset that it's not as simple as "apt install flashplugin-nonfree" like it ought to be
• 1503[09:27:13] <tesko> perhaps the folder for kali
• 1504[09:27:14] <Henry151> what is going on here
• 1505[09:27:25] <Henry151> XD kali is a different distribution
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• 1508[09:27:51] <Henry151> are you trolling me tesko
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• 1511[09:28:18] <tesko> no
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• 1514[09:28:45] <Henry151> well you all could've saved me loads of time by just linking me here: replaced-url
• 1515[09:28:56] <Henry151> next time people want flashplayer send them there it makes it all very clear
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• 1517[09:29:02] <Henry151> I just need to add contrib to my sources
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• 1519[09:29:57] <Henry151> aw darn i'm wrong
• 1520[09:30:00] <Henry151> phooey
• 1521[09:30:04] <Henry151> out-of-date docs
• 1522[09:30:11] <Henry151> why oh why
• 1523[09:30:12] <tesko> damn
• 1524[09:30:39] <tesko> i hate it when that happens... out of date docs
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• 1527[09:30:55] <Haohmaru> we could've saved you even more time if we did your job instead of you
• 1528[09:31:16] <Haohmaru> but we didn't, we're such a lazy bunch of people
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• 1530[09:31:32] <Henry151> lol
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• 1532[09:31:40] <Henry151> c'mon I love y'all
• 1533[09:31:46] <Henry151> debian is the best thing ever
• 1534[09:32:03] <tesko> same thing happened to me trying to install gzdoom from the drdteam repository
• 1535[09:32:15] <Henry151> can somebody advise me about this? somebody smarter than me and with more experience than me who can actually give me sound advice about how to do this?
• 1536[09:32:47] <Henry151> Haohmaru: you sound like you might be that sort of person, by your tone
• 1537[09:33:00] <Haohmaru> absolutely not
• 1538[09:33:05] <Henry151> lol
• 1539[09:33:19] <Haohmaru> i'm neither a h4x0r, nor like the flash plugin
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• 1541[09:33:48] <Henry151> well I give up for now I'm not going to take stabs at it without a good advisor; I am afraid of damaging my beautiful nice new system that so far has nothing installed that wasn't installed with apt
• 1542[09:34:08] <Henry151> and all the people that I would normally ask have gone to bed :/
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• 1544[09:34:20] <Henry151> I will follow their lead and sleep, it is 3:35AM here
• 1545[09:34:23] <tesko> i would but i know nothing about kali
• 1546[09:34:40] <Henry151> I'm on Debian. I was on kali. I still have flash working fine on my kali machine
• 1547[09:34:45] <Haohmaru> all i know is that kali is for the uber h4x0riz
• 1548[09:34:55] <Henry151> root@tb:~# uname -a
• 1549[09:34:55] <Henry151> Linux tb 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1550[09:35:35] <Henry151> all I know is I switched to debian because y'all wouldn't help me with kali and #kali-linux wouldn't help me either because kali "isn't a desktop OS"
• 1551[09:35:55] <Henry151> and now I'm sad cause I can't file my taxes
• 1552[09:36:03] <Henry151> :(
• 1553[09:36:16] <Haohmaru> why?
• 1554[09:36:19] <Henry151> frustrating part is this is one of those stupid problems that I've solved like ten times over and keep forgetting how to deal with
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• 1557[09:36:44] <Henry151> I fixed flash in SkoleLinux (a flavor of debian) just like a month ago
• 1558[09:36:54] <Henry151> and I've fixed it in kali ten times over
• 1559[09:37:07] <Henry151> and kali is just debian with crap all over it and stuffed into it
• 1560[09:37:31] <Henry151> and now I can't remember how and I just don't want to dirty this beautiful machine with any bad stabs at it
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• 1563[09:40:23] <Haohmaru> then don't
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• 1580[09:45:32] <Henry151> thanks dude
• 1581[09:45:34] <Henry151> or dudette
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• 1590[09:48:15] <Henry151> :argh: now I'm resisting the urge to go copying libflashplayer.so all over my system and instead i'm doing an apt update and an apt upgrade and going to try again to get flashplugin-nonfree installed
• 1591[09:48:31] <Henry151> I think #debian just doesn't like flash at all.
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• 1594[09:49:31] <numbdewd> death to flash
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• 1596[09:49:59] <fireba11> Henry151: flash is deprecated :-D
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• 1607[09:55:34] <darxmurf> since 2000 :D
• 1608[09:55:41] <Henry1511> but.... but...
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• 1610[09:55:48] <Henry1511> the IRS website uses it!
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• 1612[09:56:47] <loeken> die flash die
• 1613[09:56:48] <Henry1511> seriously somebody please please help me understand why the "flashplugin-nonfree" package is not available in debian 9 and advise any workaround to make flash work in debian 9
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• 1615[09:57:09] <loeken> dont use flash
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• 1617[09:57:57] <loeken> its quite simply you download flash from adobe`s website, unpack the tar.gz and move the libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
• 1618[09:58:03] <loeken> but in all honesty dont use flash
• 1619[09:58:10] <Henry1511> how am I supposed to get form 1023 filed before I go to sleep, if I can't use flash?
• 1620[09:58:18] <Henry1511> loeken: you are my savior
• 1621[09:58:27] <bolt> just put it in the TPS report
• 1622[09:58:40] <Henry1511> I will do this and simply perform the one single operation and then remove the .so file
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• 1624[09:58:56] <Henry1511> because i am serious about wanting to do everything the correct way
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• 1627[09:59:30] <loeken> if flashplugin-nonfree doesnt work you may have to add "contrib none-free" to your apt/sources.lkist
• 1628[10:00:14] <Henry1511> hmm I have contrib non-free in my sources.list
• 1629[10:00:27] <Henry1511> should i make a sources.lkist and add contrib none-free to it? XD
• 1630[10:00:41] <Haohmaru> lkist is probably a typo
• 1631[10:00:42] <giricz81> can anyone give me a hint how to easily update checksums in dsc file?
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• 1633[10:01:45] <Ormu> which is worse, Flash or *Silverlight*? :O
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• 1636[10:03:59] <Henry1511> great i went through all that just to find out that form 1023 interactive doesn't actually allow you to submit form 1023 online
• 1637[10:04:02] <Henry1511> woohoo
• 1638[10:04:04] <Henry1511> fml
• 1639[10:04:07] <Henry1511> goodnight
• 1640[10:04:16] <Henry1511> thnks loeken
• 1641[10:04:35] <Henry1511> i will remove libflashplayer.so immediately
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• 1644[10:05:10] <Haohmaru> and wash your hands!
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• 1646[10:05:33] <Haohmaru> and your sources.list
• 1647[10:05:53] <fireba11> :-D
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• 1659[10:12:13] <Haohmaru> moar bleach!
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• 1717[10:36:59] <jelly> BerryJin: which i386 package? Perhaps you just don't have i386 enabled.
• 1718[10:37:08] <jelly> dpkg, tell BerryJin about multiarch
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• 1730[10:47:31] <HeXiLeD> stretch repos for flashplugin-nonfree ?
• 1731[10:47:39] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: flashplugin-nonfree
• 1732[10:47:39] <dpkg> Adobe Flash Player is proprietary (non-free) software. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree package, ask me about <contrib>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on replaced-url
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• 1734[10:50:59] <darxmurf> when the hell will they definitely kill this crap :-x
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• 1748[10:56:57] <wjtaylor_> how do i get flash installed into firefox?
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• 1752[10:58:13] <wjtaylor_> How do I install flash for firefox?
• 1753[10:58:22] <wjtaylor_> test
• 1754[10:58:33] <HeXiLeD> same problem here wjtaylor_
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• 1756[10:58:53] <Ruebezahl> Why do you want "flash" on Firefox? Why not HTML5?
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• 1758[10:59:01] <HeXiLeD> this is not working for me replaced-url
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• 1760[10:59:17] <HeXiLeD> im my case i have a ups app that uses flash to access the ups
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• 1767[11:01:34] <wjtaylor_> Wow Deb 9 is painful... Everything seems to be working halfway...
• 1768[11:01:55] <petemc> nice opening gambit
• 1769[11:02:17] <HeXiLeD> wjtaylor_: i just saw that too
• 1770[11:02:44] <wjtaylor_> I'm glad someone did. I don't see what I type most of the time... :/
• 1771[11:03:50] <crazyb0y> wjtaylor_: it's not yet ready to be ok =)
• 1772[11:04:04] <wjtaylor_> :)
• 1773[11:05:09] <HeXiLeD> and they call it stable ...
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• 1777[11:07:23] <crazyb0y> it will be =)
• 1778[11:07:53] <wjtaylor_> I misssed 8. How was that?
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• 1784[11:09:17] <crazyb0y> wjtaylor_: great, really great
• 1785[11:10:21] <crazyb0y> wjtaylor_: i recommend using 8 instead of 9 for now
• 1786[11:10:25] <wjtaylor_> I thougth 6 was kick ass. 7 was good, but didn't really offer me much more than 6, personallly.
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• 1788[11:11:09] <wjtaylor_> I was think of using Ubuntu 16.4.. I know... I know...
• 1789[11:11:29] <nomad0> What wrong with 9?
• 1790[11:11:29] <wjtaylor_> But 8 is already old_stable, no?
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• 1792[11:11:53] <wjtaylor_> It's just acting odd, all over the place. It doesn't seem to be hardware related though.. e.g. mem
• 1793[11:12:24] <wjtaylor_> Like the IRC will just stop showing what I type to chat rooms.... it really sends the message, but I don't see it.
• 1794[11:12:30] <wjtaylor_> Happens randomly.
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• 1796[11:12:48] <nomad0> Hmmm other then trying to compile wine its been pretty headache free for me
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• 1798[11:12:50] <wjtaylor_> Doesn't appear to be network related.
• 1799[11:13:09] <wjtaylor_> wine was always a PITA
• 1800[11:13:31] <wjtaylor_> I'm not even sure if it's worth it. They will move to a *nix core too.
• 1801[11:13:44] <wjtaylor_> They're already porting parts of bash
• 1802[11:13:51] <wjtaylor_> outside of using cygwin
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• 1804[11:14:08] <Train_rk> hello
• 1805[11:14:12] <wjtaylor_> howdy
• 1806[11:14:54] <Train_rk> could I add not empty partition to an existing lvm setup without the losing any data?
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• 1808[11:14:58] <Train_rk> :d wjtaylor_
• 1809[11:15:00] <wjtaylor_> moving to a unix core was the best thing apple ever did.
• 1810[11:15:07] <Train_rk> :D wjtaylor_
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• 1812[11:16:08] <wjtaylor_> I'm not sure... I believe the partition itself have to be setup as an LVM partition.
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• 1814[11:16:09] <nomad0> Well the mouse was pretty cool, I'll give them that. Shame they never master the techknowledgy of the 2nd button on it.
• 1815[11:16:24] <wjtaylor_> Train_rk: see above
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• 1817[11:17:08] <wjtaylor_> nomad0: you have to look at their market... who bought them?... Those who couldn't handle PCs...
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• 1822[11:17:58] <wjtaylor_> I agree though; Windows is was a shitshow (can I say that?) at the time... I just wanted to use the thing now worry about viruses and such.
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• 1825[11:18:06] <wjtaylor_> That's when I moved to linux.
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• 1829[11:18:28] <wjtaylor_> And I refuse to pay for that crap OS.
• 1830[11:18:32] <jelly> !offtopic
• 1831[11:18:33] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1832[11:18:44] <crazyb0y> jelly: sorry
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• 1834[11:18:58] <wjtaylor_> +1 Jelly - True dat.
• 1835[11:19:00] <wjtaylor_> sorry
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• 1843[11:19:59] <wjtaylor_> Is there a notification bar in this new gnome thing?
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• 1849[11:20:47] <jelly> Train_rk: no, backup all the data, make the partition a PV (pvcreate), join it to an exsting VG (vgextend) or make a new VG (vgcreate), then create LVs and mkfs and mount and restore data
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• 1855[11:22:00] <nomad0> Ohh I see why you think debian 9 is broken now. You use gnome. XFCE has come a long way give it a shot
• 1856[11:22:36] <Train_rk> jelly: you mean I lose all data on that partition?
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• 1858[11:22:45] <Train_rk> or normally I should be ok?
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• 1860[11:23:11] <jelly> Train_rk: yes you overwrite the partition completely at the pvcreate step.
• 1861[11:23:25] <wjtaylor_> nomad0: Well, it seems to do odd things as well, but I'm updating to see if that cures my IRC and other oddness. But I will most likely try XFCE. I just don't get gnome 3
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• 1863[11:24:05] <wjtaylor_> I thought the point of Deb was that it was a whole OS, not just a linux core and an ad-hoc UI?
• 1864[11:24:43] <wjtaylor_> Does XFCE work as tight with deb as I would hope?
• 1865[11:24:49] <jelly> !tias
• 1866[11:24:49] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 1867[11:25:02] <wjtaylor_> :)
• 1868[11:25:32] <nomad0> !wwdmw
• 1869[11:25:39] <nomad0> no what would debian maintainers do?
• 1870[11:26:08] <crazyb0y> wjtaylor_: i'm using mate, and i love it, working better than all graphical interfaces: like the new gnome (looks like windows 10) and kde (looks like windows 8) =)
• 1871[11:26:29] <jelly> nomad0: that would be !wwdmd or better /msg dpkg wwdmd
• 1872[11:26:51] <nomad0> Yeah I tried all the gnome not-forks when 3 came out, mate's def best
• 1873[11:27:17] <wjtaylor_> I guess I should reframe my thinking (at least temporarily)... How do I see notifications after the bubble at the top has come and gone... e.g. I return to my PC and want to see if there are any software updates, email, etc.
• 1874[11:27:24] <nomad0> Ahh typos... so about that wine compile... replaced-url
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• 1885[11:35:42] <wyoung> .o/
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• 1897[11:41:42] <jelly> nomad0: if you're building 32bit wine, it's probably easier to do it in an i386 environment (chroot or whatnot); many -dev packages are still not multiarch friendly
• 1898[11:42:24] <nomad0> Yeah I sort of thought that was fixed? Certainly I was able to get past both ./configures.. but no eh?
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• 1945[12:13:54] <f-a> I want to know the time when I last closed the lid of my laptop, is there any way to get that information?
• 1946[12:14:33] <f-a> I got xscreensaver running, if that helps
• 1947[12:14:45] <BluesKaj> /var/g/syslog perhaps
• 1948[12:15:12] <BluesKaj> correction /var/log/syslog
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• 1952[12:16:39] <f-a> thanks BluesKaj
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• 1962[12:24:35] <nomad0> Well I guess I'm sol.. realy seems like it should work that way tho.. chroot in the morn then :) night folks o/
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• 2002[12:46:16] <slashdotcom> replaced-url
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• 2022[12:55:44] <BluesKaj> another happy debian customer
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• 2028[12:59:58] <BluesKaj> hi forcerecon, how goes it today?
• 2029[13:00:45] <babilen> → -offtopic
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• 2038[13:05:46] <wondiws> I´m having a lot of problems with dpkg. list files being corrupt, missing filenames, missing endlines :S
• 2039[13:05:48] <wondiws> what is this?
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• 2041[13:06:03] <BluesKaj> wow, that's ridiculous .really gonna help the spread of debian as an OS
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• 2045[13:07:17] <babilen> BluesKaj: What is? The fact that wondiws has problems?
• 2046[13:07:38] <babilen> wondiws: Could you provide additional/further information in a pastebin such as replaced-url
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• 2049[13:08:42] <BluesKaj> babilen, this silly rule aboutcalling a normal; converstaional greeting as offtopic
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• 2053[13:09:27] <babilen> It is and is has been mentioned to you multiple times. Please adhere to the channel conventions and keep private chatter in -offtopic
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• 2058[13:10:51] <wondiws> are those *.list files from dpkg ASCII or binary?
• 2059[13:10:55] <wondiws> most of them seem ASCII
• 2060[13:11:02] <babilen> yeah
• 2061[13:11:04] <wondiws> but a few of them are binary, and dpkg doesn´t like them
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• 2063[13:12:11] <babilen> That wouldn't be much of a surprise
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• 2066[13:14:54] <BluesKaj> babilen, this channels conventions are more restrictive than most and don't help the spread of debian as a viable OS
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• 2072[13:15:41] <Haohmaru> o_O
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• 2074[13:16:04] <babilen> BluesKaj: Feel free to message me if you want to discuss this, but I would kindly ask you to keep off-topic chatter in #debian-offtopic so that we can focus on support in here
• 2075[13:16:16] <Haohmaru> he left
• 2076[13:16:25] <babilen> I noticed
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• 2078[13:17:08] <babilen> wondiws: They should be normal text files, you might still like to share more detailed information about the issues you are facing and what you did that triggered it (if you know)
• 2079[13:17:36] <wondiws> babilen, I tried to upgrade from jessie to stretch on my raspberry pi
• 2080[13:17:43] <wondiws> but some files are now garbage
• 2081[13:17:54] <wondiws> like @#*&$(*#HJN*@#$
• 2082[13:18:03] <babilen> And you use Debian and not raspbian?
• 2083[13:18:37] <babilen> Does this affect any specific set of files and when did this happen?
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• 2085[13:20:04] <wondiws> babilen, raspbian uses dpkg
• 2086[13:20:16] <babilen> Sure, but there is a specific channel for raspbian
• 2087[13:20:19] <babilen> dpkg: raspbian
• 2088[13:20:20] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2089[13:20:34] <babilen> You'll find many regulars and people working on/with raspbian there
• 2090[13:21:02] <babilen> They will probably ask the same questions as I just did :)
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• 2092[13:21:20] <Haohmaru> will they say "hi" ;P~
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• 2097[13:23:05] <wondiws> babilen, my SD card is probably dying!
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• 2099[13:23:21] <amd_0x51> man, I have a real tough time getting old SD cards to work with debian
• 2100[13:23:22] <babilen> That would explain the data corruption, yes
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• 2102[13:23:37] <amd_0x51> doesn’t ever recognise it
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• 2104[13:23:45] <wondiws> babilen, it is data corruption yes, and my previous SD card died after a few days
• 2105[13:24:09] <wondiws> and I´ve had this with several others as well with different applications and os´es and hardware
• 2106[13:24:12] <wondiws> I hate SD!
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• 2108[13:24:38] <Haohmaru> get a hard disk
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• 2117[13:30:23] <wondiws> Haohmaru, a lot of devices use SD
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• 2122[13:33:28] <Haohmaru> tell that to NASA
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• 2124[13:34:29] <__[0_0]__> They already heard ;3
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• 2128[13:35:41] <wondiws> is NASA involved? :S
• 2129[13:35:59] <Haohmaru> yes, they corrupted your file on purpose
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• 2147[13:44:17] <darxmurf> I have my Asus tinkerboard running on a SD card without problem
• 2148[13:44:45] <darxmurf> they have their own debian install
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• 2164[13:54:35] <Agafnd> what's the difference between `lp` and `lpr`?
• 2165[13:54:51] <Agafnd> the man pages seem to differ in small ways but functionally they seem the same
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• 2168[13:55:40] <jelly> lpr is a command meant to be backwards compatible with old lpr and lprng printer services
• 2169[13:56:01] <jelly> lp is CUPS' own
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• 2172[13:56:53] <FinalX> darxmurf: never heard of the tinker boards, but looking at it, it seems very interesting, incl. gbit ethernet which is excellent for me since i have 500/800mbit at home
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• 2174[13:57:01] <FinalX> rpi only has 100mbit
• 2175[13:57:02] <Agafnd> so it's the backwards compatible thing and the slightly more modern thing okay
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• 2177[13:58:15] <jelly> Agafnd: /usr/bin/lpr comes in cups-bsd package; its Description says, [...] This package provides the BSD commands for interacting with CUPS. It is provided separately to allow CUPS to coexist with other printing systems (to a small degree).
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• 2211[14:12:26] <tess4> Hi, I'd like to know the probability of debian 8 being compatible with a shuttle nc03u. Here it states it'll work fine with a nc02u replaced-url
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• 2214[14:14:00] <tess4> specs for both: replaced-url
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• 2225[14:19:19] <towo^work> tess4, what's wrong with debian 9?
• 2226[14:19:29] <towo^work> jessie does not support that hardware ootb
• 2227[14:19:42] <tess4> that
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• 2229[14:20:09] <tess4> 's a good question, I simply have no idea whether 3cx will run on debian 9
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• 2233[14:23:02] <iveqy> so I've a wifi interface, named wlan2 that is visible with ifconfig, iwconfig and ip but not with iw. How can I add this interface to iw?
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• 2236[14:24:53] <JyZyXEL> i don't think i have a single motherboard that is fully supported by debian :P
• 2237[14:24:59] <JyZyXEL> they all have at least some ACPI warnings
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• 2239[14:25:23] <amd_0x51> ^
• 2240[14:26:10] <tess4> found some info, 3cx say it will install with some tweaks but it's not tested and shouldn't be used for production. I need it for production
• 2241[14:27:24] <tess4> and in the first link that it will run perfectly on the nc02u.
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• 2245[14:28:13] <tess4> so chances are, the nc03u will be a hassle if it works at all?
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• 2253[14:30:59] <wondiws> ¨no module named debpython¨, could somebody look up for what package I need to install? :)
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• 2255[14:31:07] <wondiws> I can´t find it
• 2256[14:32:07] <themill> wondiws: been using 'sudo pip' recently?
• 2257[14:32:19] <wondiws> no
• 2258[14:33:02] <wondiws> I don´t use python myself, but my system is full of python packages
• 2259[14:33:02] <themill> can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy python3-minimal python-minimal; type -a python"
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• 2266[14:36:27] <wondiws> themill, replaced-url
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• 2268[14:37:17] <themill> wondiws: looks like a question for #raspbian
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• 2270[14:37:32] <wondiws> themill, it has nothing to do with raspbian
• 2271[14:37:48] <babilen> wondiws: As explained earlier, it has everything to do with raspbian
• 2272[14:37:57] <themill> well if raspbian's packages are broken it has a lot to do with them
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• 2277[14:39:25] <themill> wondiws: you might like to ask them how to correctly upgrade to their current release
• 2278[14:39:56] <wondiws> themill, I´m not sure if this is the current release
• 2279[14:40:08] <themill> then that's another question for #raspbian
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• 2294[14:49:39] <Apteryx> Hello! Could I boot even I have one drive of my fstab disconnected? Systemd seems to be preventing me from doing so... It says 'Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-..., which is expected (backup drive I just disconnected), and then greets me with a 'You are in emergency mode ... Press Enter to continue'. Problem is, I press enter but it doesn't.
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• 2297[14:51:12] <Apteryx> So it seems that I have no other choice but to use a Live USB and comment out that drive from /etc/fstab... This is silly.
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• 2304[14:53:34] <Mined> have anyone of you encountered a monero-malware on a debian machine hosting websites?
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• 2306[14:54:11] <Mined> monero is a cryptocurrency, and the malware apparently mines that crypto for some idiot somewhere
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• 2309[14:55:13] <Haohmaru> Apteryx, can't you switch to another tty and login as root to fix the issue?
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• 2311[14:55:36] <wondiws> babilen, themill: hey guess what, debian and ubuntu also have debpython, and I find out now it´s in python-minimal. So it´s not confined to raspbian
• 2312[14:55:53] <Apteryx> Haohmaru: Out of wisdom I didn't enable the root account, so that's locked out as an option.
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• 2315[14:56:06] <babilen> wondiws: You are using raspbian though so #raspbian is the correct channel for your question
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• 2318[14:56:33] <Haohmaru> Apteryx, eh? how would you edit the fstab at all then?
• 2319[14:56:33] <wondiws> babilen, there are not as many users there ;)
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• 2321[14:56:58] <Apteryx> Haohmaru: 'sudo emacs -nw /etc/fstab'
• 2322[14:57:01] <babilen> dpkg: tell wondiws -about based on debian
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• 2324[14:57:20] <Haohmaru> Apteryx, well, then try that
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• 2326[14:57:58] <Apteryx> The emergency prompt says it can't give me a prompt because root account is locked. Ah! So I can't type zit from there.
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• 2328[14:58:24] <Apteryx> And the Enter to continue option seems equally borked (possibly for the same reason). I didn't know root account was actually useful for systemd. I'll know better next install.
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• 2330[14:59:30] <brontosaurusrex> Do I have to do anything special to get to be debian wiki contributor?
• 2331[14:59:57] <brontosaurusrex> It allowed me to do the new login, but I can't login and there were no mails send.
• 2332[15:00:26] <brontosaurusrex> and dpkg thinks i'am asking about wikipedia.
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• 2334[15:01:44] <jelly> brontosaurusrex: check your spam folder. If you manage to get that mail in the next 30 minutes I'll be interested in how you did it (which mail provider you used, if a free one)
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• 2336[15:02:45] <brontosaurusrex> gmail.com and nothing in spam.
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• 2344[15:06:06] <Apteryx> Haohmaru: I just enabled root account from live usb. As simple as 'sudo passwd root' (chrooted)
• 2345[15:06:20] <Apteryx> Well, sudo not even necessary as I was root at that time.
• 2346[15:06:32] <Haohmaru> u h4x0r
• 2347[15:07:20] <Apteryx> eh
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• 2349[15:07:44] <numbdewd> not even using any simple tools as are numerous througout Github,among other places,such as ... replaced-url
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• 2354[15:10:45] <numbdewd> maybe passive physical data-security measures should reasonably include subtle and minor yet possibly effective-at least likely annoying and hindrance to an adversary falling victim to it-- simply leaving a coulpe of "usb killer"-sorta devices casually laying around, maybe even apparently attempted secured and implied holding some value.. ( example see replaced-url
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• 2356[15:10:54] <numbdewd> ..hostile devices if nothing else
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• 2358[15:11:11] <babilen> numbdewd: You okay?
• 2359[15:11:18] <numbdewd> define okay
• 2360[15:11:52] <numbdewd> sorry; I's be an outlander and my english ain't all that good.. if thats what u referred to with that...
• 2361[15:12:03] <numbdewd> :]?
• 2362[15:12:10] <numbdewd> ..otherwise...... u ask too many questions!
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• 2364[15:12:27] <babilen> numbdewd: What you said doesn't really make sense and I'm not sure how it related to Debian
• 2365[15:12:36] <numbdewd> i am sorry.
• 2366[15:12:56] <soLucien> hello guys ! Is there such thing as system-wide proxy in Debian, or do I have to set it up for every single application ? seems like every application (apt, git) has an API for using a proxy server , but i'd like to know whether there's some OS-level proxy that all applications could respect
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• 2368[15:13:11] <numbdewd> unsure how related to something higher above in chat, but anyway idd nto directly ontopic for DebI guess
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• 2371[15:13:41] <babilen> numbdewd: Indeed, you might like ##chat
• 2372[15:14:21] <babilen> soLucien: You could configure squid and use that throughout
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• 2374[15:14:35] <tw> soLucien: have you tried export http_proxy=
• 2375[15:14:41] <jordanm> soLucien: many apps will respect the "http_proxy" env variable
• 2376[15:14:54] <tw> pretty much everything will honor that, even browsers.
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• 2379[15:15:32] <soLucien> tw i have not yet tried anything except application-level proxy configuration . And googling lead me to many ways . I'm looking for the most up-to-date/generic way
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• 2385[15:16:02] <babilen> Ah, you aren't sure how to set it, rather than a proxy that could be used for a variety of applications
• 2386[15:16:03] <numbdewd> soLucien: replaced-url
• 2387[15:16:05] <babilen> Sorry
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• 2391[15:18:43] <tw> http_proxy is possibly the only way short of transparently intercepting everything. curl/wget/python/etc don't respect dconf, but they all check http_proxy.
• 2392[15:19:43] <soLucien> found something nice replaced-url
• 2393[15:19:48] <soLucien> i'll use that script
• 2394[15:19:50] <soLucien> thanks a lot !
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• 2398[15:20:21] <numbdewd> did you check out redsocks or similar? 'transparent system-wide proxy (-> socks (-> whatever,or tcp whatever even as you'd need))
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• 2403[15:22:07] <Nello> Ciao a Tutto il Canale!!!
• 2404[15:22:10] <Nello> hi
• 2405[15:22:18] <Nello> italian ?
• 2406[15:22:29] <soLucien> numbewd i have not because i am not concerned with security at all
• 2407[15:22:42] <soLucien> i actually want all requests to go through http so that i can use wireshark
• 2408[15:22:47] <soLucien> to debug things
• 2409[15:22:48] <numbdewd> no italiano. Inglese
• 2410[15:22:57] <Nello> ok
• 2411[15:22:57] <numbdewd> soLucien: o..
• 2412[15:23:01] <tw> redsocks goes the route of transparently intercepting everything.
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• 2414[15:23:34] <soLucien> thing is i have a VM which only has connection to the guest OS. in order for it to have internet, i have set up a proxy on the guest OS
• 2415[15:24:13] <tw> The VM software you're using should have the option of enabling NAT.
• 2416[15:24:33] <tw> qemu, for example, has user-mode networking enabled by default unless you explicitly turn it off.
• 2417[15:24:35] <soLucien> no internet on the vm = "leaking" proxy
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• 2420[15:25:00] <soLucien> tw hyper-v has something called internal switch. It only allows communication between the VM and the host
• 2421[15:25:20] <soLucien> and i want to keep it this way , so it won't "leak" out anything
• 2422[15:26:23] <numbdewd> just need some trigger/feature to stop allowing its passing of traffic flow out freely, if not sent thru the proxy..or am i confused?=S
• 2423[15:26:57] <tw> Your call. It seems like it'd be easier to set up firewall rules than a proxy server, especially since you said you don't really care about security.
• 2424[15:27:15] <soLucien> no .. if traffic flows freely , it cannot connect to anything except the host . any outside ip will not be accessible
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• 2427[15:27:48] <soLucien> however, if proxy is set to host_ip:3142 , things start to work
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• 2432[15:28:46] <numbdewd> u need some fail-over thingy, one relay inaccessible then seemlessly change over to another (whichever/however-) that has access out, so the client making the request wouldn't notice the difference?
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• 2434[15:29:40] <soLucien> no , it's a dev machine which i use to deploy code on
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• 2436[15:30:03] <soLucien> and i just want to put code on it, access it , and it has to be able to get packages from apt when dependencies change
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• 2439[15:30:59] <tw> soLucien: I take that back, if your express purpose is wireshark, don't use the proxy method. Use the firewall method.
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• 2441[15:31:20] <tw> proxying will change the packets subtly.
• 2442[15:31:30] <tw> *can
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• 2449[15:34:40] <brontosaurusrex> So I guess no wiki for me!
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• 2451[15:37:22] <Haohmaru> you have to pass the secret ritual
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• 2459[15:43:25] <Antares> replaced-url
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• 2482[15:54:37] <__marco> Hello. I am configuring the network of a virtual machine for a client with our product. What I am doing now is: 1. install our service 2. configure the VM with the parameters of the client's network
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• 2485[15:55:56] <__marco> Every time I need to do an update I revert to a previous snapshot to restore our network configuration, update the service and configure the network again for the client
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• 2489[15:56:42] <nku> __marco: what's the question?
• 2490[15:56:45] <__marco> Our network configuration is really simple with dhcp, but the client uses fixed IP. How would you do that?
• 2491[15:56:49] <hexhaxtron-work> How should I run aptitude update; aptitude upgrade in a cronjob? Should I use &> /dev/null on both?
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• 2493[15:57:14] <nku> !tell hexhaxtron-work about cron-apt
• 2494[15:57:38] <hexhaxtron-work> nku: does cron-apt also install packages automatically?
• 2495[15:57:39] <nku> __marco: check man 5 interfaces? you can do static ip on dhcp
• 2496[15:57:59] <nku> hexhaxtron-work: not by default
• 2497[15:58:00] <forcerecon> Antares: thanks for posting that.. I forgot them..
• 2498[15:58:56] <__marco> nku: what is exactly static ip on dhcp?
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• 2502[16:00:38] <__marco> nku: do you mean to use a static address in our network?
• 2503[16:01:04] <jhutchins> __marco: You need to reserve the IP in the dhcp server; usually by MAC.
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• 2505[16:01:30] <jhutchins> __marco: It will then always use that IP for the client, or if the client doesn't request an IP it will just not give it to anyone else.
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• 2508[16:01:45] <Haohmaru> i have the feeling he doesn't mean that
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• 2512[16:01:59] <__marco> jhutchins: but the two networks use different subnets
• 2513[16:02:16] <nku> oh, there are different subnets.. but the ip is static?
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• 2520[16:04:37] <__marco> Sorry, maybe I didn't explain myself. When I configure the VM, I attach the machine to our subnet (dhcp), once the configuration is done, I physically go to the client and I deploy the VM in their infrastructure (static IP in a whole different subnet)
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• 2527[16:05:49] <__marco> It is really handy to have the VM in our subnet during the development: I can ssh into it instead using the virtual console, other co-workers can see the results, etc.
• 2528[16:06:07] <gabrielc> __marco: has the client a dhcp server running on the network where you put the vm?
• 2529[16:06:25] <__marco> gabrielc: No, he hasn't got it
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• 2539[16:07:51] <__marco> I don't know if I can configure two network interfaces, knowing that only once will work at time
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• 2542[16:08:55] <gabrielc> __marco: would have to find a way to configure the network so the vm use static ip when the dhcp server is not found
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• 2546[16:10:11] <__marco> gabrielc: where would you start? (pre-/post-)up hooks?
• 2547[16:10:27] <bolt> __marco: i haven't read all of this, but you can use aliases such as eth0:0 and eth0:1 and have one grab an ip from dhcp and the other static
• 2548[16:10:46] <__marco> bolt: interesting...
• 2549[16:11:06] <gabrielc> __marco: but it will fail if the client decides to start a dhcp server
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• 2552[16:13:00] <__marco> gabrielc: I would have two interfaces attached to the same network. Isn't it?
• 2553[16:13:02] <gabrielc> __marco: or automate the networking setup according if the vm runs in development or on the client
• 2554[16:13:22] <funabashi> Hi guys i have sent a test.csv file to my debian server. I connect to it and do cat test.csv and i dont see full lines , it makes new lines... how can i fix that ?
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• 2557[16:14:36] <__marco> gabrielc: but how would you do that? Automatically I mean. I could say that the VM is configured for the client and when I need it I log in the console and configure the network for our subnet
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• 2560[16:15:18] <tremolo> funabashi: How did you transfer it? Is the server copy different from the original?
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• 2562[16:15:29] <gabrielc> __marco: you can create a file on disk and if that file exists dhcp is configured, if that file does not exist ip configuration is static. you can control it by creating / deleting a file to disk.
• 2563[16:15:30] <__marco> But I have a 16-20 char password, I don't want to type it and I explicitly use a certificate to avoid it
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• 2565[16:16:29] <funabashi> tremolo: winscp
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• 2567[16:17:28] <gabrielc> __marco: or looking for a difference between the vms, one may have more ram than the other
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• 2569[16:18:32] <__marco> In dev I could give it a fixed amount of ram (1.001 GB ;-)
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• 2571[16:18:55] <funabashi> tremolo: at work on my big screen it was no new lines
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• 2578[16:21:37] <__marco> what about a second interface? I can put both in allow-hotplug and attach the second in dev and leave the first interface for the client
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• 2580[16:21:48] <tremolo> Is it wrapping at $COLUMNS? Is the server copy different from the original?
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• 2583[16:22:20] <__marco> I don't know how exactly the interfaces work in a VM
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• 2595[16:27:38] <gabrielc> __marco: maybe the mac addresses are different
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• 2597[16:28:11] <gabrielc> __marco: and static
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• 2602[16:29:27] <tesko> damn power outage
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• 2631[16:43:41] <hiya> I am using firefox with Debian 9 and KDE
• 2632[16:43:56] <hiya> it crashes a lot these days and I see a message in syslog
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• 2634[16:44:14] <hiya> kernel: [10653.286242] Chrome_ChildThr[2344]: segfault at 0 ip 000055624b153f41 sp 00007f02785fe320 error 6 in plugin-container[55624b14f000+1b000]
• 2635[16:44:47] <tesko> Chrome?
• 2636[16:44:52] <hiya> replaced-url
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• 2638[16:45:01] <hiya> A lot of what i say is all in here ^
• 2639[16:45:11] <tesko> doesnt do that to me
• 2640[16:45:18] <hiya> tesko, Yes I have chromium installed
• 2641[16:45:56] <tesko> and that is what?
• 2642[16:46:01] <abrotman> hiya: I'd probably disable Flash .. just a hunch
• 2643[16:46:05] <bolt> there's lots of stuff called chrome* in firefox
• 2644[16:46:17] <tesko> oh
• 2645[16:46:33] <hiya> tesko, Chromium is open-source version of Chrome
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• 2647[16:46:41] <tesko> what are you trying to do on firefox?
• 2648[16:46:43] <abrotman> hiya: about:plugins, which do you have, which can you live without?
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• 2651[16:46:51] <hiya> abrotman, I never used Flash in ever since I move to GNU+Linux
• 2652[16:46:54] <tesko> it happens randomly?
• 2653[16:47:01] <abrotman> hiya: okay, look at which plugins you have
• 2654[16:47:03] <bolt> hiya: he was simply reacting to your segfault location saying "Chrome_..."
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• 2656[16:47:36] <hiya> abrotman, same plugins I had when I was on Gnome like 20 days ago and it never crashed there
• 2657[16:47:46] <hiya> ublock/privacy badger/no script
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• 2717[17:13:40] <Almtesh> Hi.
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• 2719[17:14:40] <Almtesh> I'm using debian-installer to install a debian on a lot of computer.
• 2720[17:15:03] <Almtesh> I use a preseed, of course.
• 2721[17:15:46] <Almtesh> But, when I install with the preseed, some of them don't load the ahci kernel module during the installation, so I have a error on disk detection.
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• 2725[17:16:16] <Almtesh> I did not find any information on this on the web and nobody answers me on debian forum.
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• 2729[17:17:22] <jelly> only some? Is it recent hardware (2016, 2017 models)?
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• 2735[17:18:21] <Almtesh> Bought in 2016.
• 2736[17:18:23] <jelly> Almtesh: do you make sure the controllers are in AHCI (native) mode in BIOS, not Raid, not IDE compatibility?
• 2737[17:18:48] <Almtesh> jelly, yes, I checked that.
• 2738[17:19:06] <Almtesh> Oh, I forgot to say, when I don't use the preseed, the ahci module is loaded.
• 2739[17:19:24] <Almtesh> The problem seems to come from the preseed or the way I load it.
• 2740[17:19:25] <jelly> but without preseed, normal netinst works on same hardware?
• 2741[17:20:12] <boodie> Hi (Stretch): here is the output of "netstat -tap |grep LISTEN" ... replaced-url
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• 2743[17:21:19] <jelly> Almtesh: before you file a bug report, you might try to ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org), that's where d-i people do their stuff, make sure you have details ready (that is, exact image used, your preseed config)
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• 2745[17:23:02] <Almtesh> jelly, irc.debian.org is not this server, isn't it?
• 2746[17:23:17] <Almtesh> #debian-boot
• 2747[17:23:45] <Almtesh> No, it is not.
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• 2749[17:24:00] <jelly> it's not, that's why I named it
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• 2752[17:24:36] <jelly> make your case, provide info, and be patient, there
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• 2788[17:43:02] <alwyn> When putting packages in the blacklist of unattended-upgrades, how specific do I have to be? I see it supports regex, what kind of formatting is expected?
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• 2791[17:43:56] <alwyn> Do I have to put it between // or no?
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• 2804[17:48:51] <toruvinn> does anyone remember which mysql version shipped with sarge? or is there a way to check it somehwere?
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• 2806[17:49:37] <numbdewd> Chaos, havoc, death and destruction!
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• 2832[17:56:29] <Walakea> what is the the difference between installing firefox and thunderbird extensions via apt and via the program itself?
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• 2837[17:58:16] <jmcnaught> Walakea: one way gets updated by Debian package maintainers, and will be upgraded like other packages from release to release, and are installed for all users. The other is per-user, and not screened by Debian maintainers
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• 2882[18:21:10] <zinefer> how many fail2ban processes should i have?
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• 2885[18:21:40] <numbdewd> how many do you see a need for
• 2886[18:22:03] <zinefer> i mean, my server has 11 running
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• 2889[18:22:16] <zinefer> does it spawn one for each jail?
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• 2892[18:22:38] <numbdewd> if you try login and fail, maybe from sevreal remote hosts concurrently.. can u watch activity (read/write?) from them all and compare; seeing if any idle?
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• 2895[18:23:29] <numbdewd> sorry, I don't know that.. or even how - if at all likely - they could be spawned in excess amounts and possibly be more than needed, either, or potential other uses for the lot of em.. hmh. I would have guessed there'd be just one but..I dno ! hmmh
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• 2902[18:25:03] <zinefer> yeah, im thinking there should probably be one too ... i will try killing some and seeing what happens
• 2903[18:25:30] <numbdewd> mm, send em all into the abyss ! obliterate them
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• 2908[18:26:42] <g0zzy> I've just installed Stretch and had the embarassment of being watched typing the command 'ifconfig' and getting 'Command not found'. I mean, wtf?
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• 2910[18:27:06] <bilaska1> g0zzy: use the full path
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• 2912[18:27:16] <bilaska1> g0zzy: /sbin/ifconfig
• 2913[18:27:22] <n4dir> g0zzy: as user?
• 2914[18:27:45] <bilaska1> the /sbin/ has been removed from the $PATH for users
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• 2920[18:29:57] <zinefer> numbdewd: for the record, im an idiot
• 2921[18:29:58] <g0zzy> sudo ifconfig failed too
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• 2923[18:30:11] <zinefer> there's a single process - i was using htop and displaying kernel threads
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• 2926[18:30:37] <bilaska1> g0zzy: just try /sbin/ifconfig
• 2927[18:30:56] <n4dir> which ifconfig; too
• 2928[18:31:06] <n4dir> or whereis, i think
• 2929[18:31:35] <numbdewd> zinefer: hehe :P
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• 2931[18:32:13] <numbdewd> zinefer: why that number of "kernel threads" though.. is that a static,common, or depends on something in particular and howd u tell? hmh.. maybe too advanced ....
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• 2933[18:32:34] <numbdewd> one of them is probably a rootkit at works
• 2934[18:32:50] <g0zzy> OK. When i'm next on that box i will. /sbin is presumably in root's PATH so why that would fail, i don't know
• 2935[18:33:15] <g0zzy> 'that'==sudo ifconfig
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• 2945[18:37:40] <jhutchins> g0zzy: I believe that when you run with sudo you still have your user environment, so you have your path not root's.
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• 2954[18:39:51] <redrabbit> hi, atm jessie still is using openvpn 2.3.4, wondering if upgrading it to the 2.4 is gonna make a big mess with deps and everything
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• 2960[18:42:12] <Brigo> ,v openvpn
• 2961[18:42:13] <judd> Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie-security: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.4.0-6+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.4.3-4~bpo9+1; sid: 2.4.3-4; buster:
• 2962[18:42:14] <judd> 2.4.3-4
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• 2964[18:42:26] <Brigo> redrabbit, you can get it from backports
• 2965[18:42:46] <redrabbit> how should i proceed?
• 2966[18:42:51] <redrabbit> /apt/sources?
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• 2970[18:44:11] <redrabbit> like add backports to source list and use apt-get Brigo ?
• 2971[18:44:18] <g0zzy> jhutchins: Oh. I thought that was why the argument -E to sudo existed ...
• 2972[18:44:31] <Brigo> redrabbit, yes
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• 2974[18:44:59] <Brigo> redrabbit, check the backports page.
• 2975[18:45:10] <Brigo> replaced-url
• 2976[18:45:12] <redrabbit> doing a backup
• 2977[18:45:21] <redrabbit> just in case
• 2978[18:45:43] <redrabbit> i dont want to mess up my main production server
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• 2985[18:47:31] <rauno> hi all
• 2986[18:47:31] <redrabbit> merf, i already had jessie-backports in my source list
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• 2990[18:47:46] <redrabbit> so best you get for jessie with backports is 2.3.4
• 2991[18:47:52] <redrabbit> hi
• 2992[18:47:52] <rauno> anyone here a network config expert :) ?
• 2993[18:48:03] <redrabbit> ##networking
• 2994[18:48:22] <Brigo> jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1~bpo8+1;
• 2995[18:48:30] <redrabbit> strange
• 2996[18:48:47] <redrabbit> apt-get upgrade didnt upgraded it to 2.4.0
• 2997[18:48:50] <jmcnaught> rauno: the way of IRC is not to ask for experts but to ask your question, in one place at a time, and keep reading docs while you wait for some help
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• 2999[18:49:03] <Brigo> redrabbit, read the link i posted just for you.
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• 3002[18:49:09] <raktajino> It Is The Way Of Things
• 3003[18:49:31] <redrabbit> apt-get -t stretch-backports install "package"
• 3004[18:49:31] <rauno> jmcnaught: have read them whole day :)
• 3005[18:49:35] <redrabbit> ah !!
• 3006[18:49:37] <redrabbit> ok
• 3007[18:49:43] <Brigo> redrabbit, :)
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• 3009[18:49:45] <rauno> but yes, i understood your poiint
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• 3014[18:50:28] <redrabbit> apt-get -t jessie-backports install openvpn
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• 3016[18:50:33] <redrabbit> looks like its working
• 3017[18:50:34] <redrabbit> thanks
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• 3022[18:51:58] <redrabbit> neat, no service interruption
• 3023[18:52:13] <redrabbit> couldnt be better
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• 3027[18:53:19] <rauno> Anyways i'll ask my question, i have situation where i have a switch (not configured by myself) with a vlan tagging, now i'm wondering how i should set up kvm host and it's networking so guests would receive connection to the separate router
• 3028[18:53:29] <redrabbit> neat trick Brigo, im gonna put it to good use
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• 3050[19:00:15] <benlue> heyas i have some trouble with plasmashell like replaced-url
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• 3052[19:00:49] <gabrielc> rauno: check openvswitch
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• 3056[19:02:27] <swift110> anyone here use Bunsenlabs
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• 3058[19:02:51] <benlue> i get an high cpu load with /usr/bin/plasmashell --shut-up
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• 3064[19:04:06] <rauno> gabrielc: um okay
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• 3071[19:06:39] <rauno> gabrielc: but isn't it doable with regular configuration of vlans and bridges ?
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• 3073[19:08:52] <cgmcintyre> are there any debian derivatives that are similar to project atomic's use of ostree?
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• 3076[19:10:52] <g0zzy> Thanks folks. I'll check it again later
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• 3079[19:12:52] <gabrielc> rauno: replaced-url
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• 3086[19:14:53] <jmcnaught> cgmcintyre: you're probably better off asking in linux, derivatives are off-topic here. I did watch some of a presentation at debconf 17 about flatpak that mentioned a derivative though: ##replaced-url
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• 3112[19:27:49] <gabrielc> rauno: as an example replaced-url
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• 3118[19:31:43] <gabrielc> rauno: ignore last link, use this replaced-url
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• 3124[19:34:24] <g0zzy> Anyone got a recommendation of an alternative to Thunderbird? Seems now to be buggy as hell
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• 3126[19:34:33] <tesko> can i post a funny picture on here?
• 3127[19:34:45] <rauno> gabrielc: thx, checking it out
• 3128[19:34:46] <SuperTramp83> g0zzy, claws-mail
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• 3130[19:34:53] <jmcnaught> g0zzy: what problems are you having with Thunderbird? I also use Evolution
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• 3133[19:35:18] <n4dir> i use claws-mail g0zzy
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• 3136[19:35:51] <g0zzy> Ah good to see that twice.
• 3137[19:35:58] <g0zzy> Crashing frequently
• 3138[19:36:29] <g0zzy> Also cannot see a particular account at all, though it could be a mail server prob
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• 3142[19:38:09] <Walakea> i don't know how, but my bash prompt changed from ...@debian: to ...@debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian:
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• 3145[19:38:57] <Walakea> the PS1 variable probably still holds the same value
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• 3149[19:40:28] <g0zzy> Is claws-mail a windowed app?
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• 3159[19:43:26] <n4dir> windowed as in a graphical application? Yes, it is a graphical app
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• 3163[19:45:35] <numbdewd> hm..is terminal typically to be considered a "graphical app" ,really.. ? :o :s
• 3164[19:46:04] <g0zzy> Thanks
• 3165[19:46:14] <mr__tea> numbdewd: it can do ascii art
• 3166[19:46:16] <numbdewd> windowed if within desktop-environment at least, but... otherwise, whats requirements for commonly accepted phrase "graphical app" / gui ?
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• 3171[19:46:30] <numbdewd> mr__tea: i know right..
• 3172[19:46:36] <rauno> gabrielc: and for the manag vlan i can configure public ip also, right?
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• 3176[19:47:35] <mr__tea> numbdewd: :D
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• 3180[19:50:08] * g0zzy just hates it when Linux apps *seem* to be inferior to Windows ones
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• 3182[19:50:37] <n4dir> Well: i would say, yes, the terminal-emulator (duh) is a graphical app, but you can't do much with it without using command line ...
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• 3197[19:54:36] <n4dir> numbdewd: windowed would count for window-managers too, i guess? oh my ... terminology ...
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• 3199[19:55:28] <random_numbers> So I'm having issues with unpriviledged LXC containers. I'm getting the "unshare: Operation not permitted" problem on container creation and I seem not to have had an lxcuser defined on install.
• 3200[19:55:49] <numbdewd> replaced-url
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• 3202[19:56:41] <random_numbers> Does that page truly have the answer to my issue?
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• 3206[19:57:49] <numbdewd> sorry, dont know.
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• 3214[19:59:17] <numbdewd> "Try to set: 'sudo echo 1 > /sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset/cgroup.clone_children' & 'sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/unprivileged_userns_clone' before the "lxc-creat' call." ?
• 3215[19:59:41] <Photon> Trying to set up iptables, does this output look alright? It looks like the rules are too general. replaced-url
• 3216[19:59:42] <numbdewd> allow unprivileged users?
• 3217[19:59:42] <random_numbers> Before just running that can I know what magic it'll do?
• 3218[20:00:08] <Photon> is users misspelled?
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• 3224[20:01:27] <g0zzy> Grr. Very hard to insert exclamation marks into bash shell. e.g "echo !|". How to do it so those literal characters come out? Hex escapes or what?
• 3225[20:01:39] <Photon> \
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• 3227[20:02:14] <numbdewd> Photon: shouldnt u have a DROP for all other things than those you specifically allowed..?
• 3228[20:02:22] <Photon> echo "\"\\Something\\\""
• 3229[20:02:23] <numbdewd> or is it implied and as such already
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• 3231[20:02:41] <Photon> It should have a default drop policy for unput
• 3232[20:02:50] <Photon> input
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• 3236[20:03:51] <numbdewd> anything special u need it for, or why not use sme simple tool like "apf-firewall" to set it up..? it should block a bunch/most (all?)- except those you specify, with some simple alerts possible too for mailing ya incase stuff goes weird
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• 3239[20:04:29] <gabrielc> Photon: on iptables rules, it is always convenient to specify everything you can, interfaces names, ip addresses of the interfaces, ip address of source and destination and tcp/udp ports of source and destination
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• 3241[20:04:49] <g0zzy> echo "\!|" produces the backslash in the output. I don't want it
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• 3244[20:05:33] <Photon> And echo "!|" breaks?
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• 3249[20:06:14] <Photon> Alright
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• 3251[20:06:28] <Photon> I don't have specific IP addresses though.
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• 3253[20:07:35] <g0zzy> Photon: bash: !: event not found
• 3254[20:07:43] <Photon> Do I need to go so far as to specify the interface too?
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• 3256[20:08:04] <Soliton> echo '!|'
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• 3259[20:08:59] <Photon> Hey jim, rguz. Back online.
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• 3262[20:09:05] <gabrielc> Photon: you should, if you have more than one interface
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• 3264[20:09:31] <Photon> Just eth0 and loopback
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• 3269[20:10:21] <gabrielc> Photon: so you can set default drop to forward
• 3270[20:10:22] <random_numbers> Stateful drop-everything incoming is a standard kind of policy.
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• 3273[20:10:35] <Photon> So I need a good way to manage a lot of ssh users, and give each access to groups that can control their access to specific files and directories
• 3274[20:10:59] <Photon> Default drop to forward? Huh?
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• 3276[20:11:24] <random_numbers> Photon: @groupthing Sounds reasonable. Also you might want to look into ACL.
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• 3278[20:11:37] <gabrielc> Photon: Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
• 3279[20:11:37] <Photon> I tried acl, it seemed a little messy.
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• 3282[20:11:51] <Photon> Forward is accept already
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• 3284[20:12:06] <Photon> You want me to drop?
• 3285[20:12:27] <random_numbers> Forward allows you to act as a router.
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• 3290[20:12:46] <Photon> Yup. So shouldn't?
• 3291[20:13:05] <random_numbers> I have no particular opinion.
• 3292[20:13:05] <Photon> And is deny == drop or different?
• 3293[20:13:12] <Photon> K.
• 3294[20:13:13] <gabrielc> Photon: forward is to resend traffic between two interfaces
• 3295[20:13:19] <random_numbers> Yes. Deny responds. Drop silently ignore packets.
• 3296[20:13:36] <Photon> So I could deny icmp?
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• 3298[20:13:41] <random_numbers> Yes.
• 3299[20:13:51] <Photon> Alright
• 3300[20:14:02] <Photon> So forward bridges input and output?
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• 3307[20:18:10] <Photon> What kind of perms do I need to set on files with chmod if I use acl?
• 3308[20:18:20] <Photon> What gos through acl vs the system?
• 3309[20:18:28] <random_numbers> You can't with chmod.
• 3310[20:18:36] <Photon> I can't?
• 3311[20:18:45] <random_numbers> Nope, setfacl is the method.
• 3312[20:18:55] <Photon> It won't let me chmod anything?
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• 3314[20:19:13] <random_numbers> Oh sure, it's just that ACL is parallel at best to ownership.
• 3315[20:19:23] <random_numbers> You can allow a group access to files and with ACL deny specific members of that group.
• 3316[20:19:50] <random_numbers> This is documented in man 5 acl
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• 3318[20:20:23] <random_numbers> Or you could allow access to files which are not normally allowed to anyone but root (bad idea).
• 3319[20:21:09] <random_numbers> 'ACCESS CHECK ALGORITHM' is a part that might interest you.
• 3320[20:21:10] <Photon> hm
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• 3322[20:21:27] <Photon> I just tried it and it seemed messy
• 3323[20:21:33] <Photon> First time using it though
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• 3327[20:22:07] <Photon> So I want to deny everyone from being able to touch a file, but I want a program to access it.
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• 3331[20:22:22] <jim> Photon, hi
• 3332[20:22:23] <Photon> When I blocked write access people could still delete the file
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• 3334[20:22:26] <Photon> Hey
• 3335[20:22:41] <random_numbers> Large scale management would get troublesome. I unfortunately do not know of automated solutions.
• 3336[20:22:41] <random_numbers> I haven't really looked though.
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• 3339[20:23:20] <jim> because what they -do- have write access to, is the dir that -contained- the deleted file
• 3340[20:23:24] <Photon> But why could I still delete the file when it had no write access? The parent sir was 777, recursive
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• 3342[20:23:36] <Photon> dir*
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• 3344[20:23:49] <Photon> Why didn't the file perms override the folder's?
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• 3351[20:25:32] <random_numbers> I presume because directories contain references to files.
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• 3353[20:25:58] <Photon> So how do I make it override the more general rules?
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• 3356[20:26:32] <random_numbers> I would assume you'd make the directory right above read-only for the needed users.
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• 3358[20:26:49] <random_numbers> I'd test it before working with those assumptions though.
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• 3366[20:27:13] <Photon> So I have a folder that I want everyone to be able to add to, but there's a readme in there that I want to be permanent
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• 3369[20:28:09] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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• 3373[20:28:45] <Photon>
• 3374[20:28:45] <Photon> I add this note as I was unable to deduce it from the mentioned man page: chattr only works on ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystems.
• 3375[20:28:55] <random_numbers> Yeah.
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• 3377[20:29:05] <random_numbers> It uses extended file attributes.
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• 3380[20:29:23] <random_numbers> If ACL works then you can essentially say Extended File Attributes work.
• 3381[20:29:45] <Photon> Have never used them
• 3382[20:29:55] <random_numbers> If you used ACL, you used it.
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• 3385[20:30:46] <Photon> But not directly?
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• 3388[20:31:48] <random_numbers> With xattr (short name) you can create name spaces. Some are pre-defined in the Linux kernel, like the ACL ones.
• 3389[20:32:11] <random_numbers> s/name spaces/arbitrarily named properties/
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• 3394[20:32:50] <jelly> random_numbers: doesn't chattr uses filesystem structures that existed before, not xattr
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• 3396[20:32:58] <jelly> use*
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• 3398[20:33:03] <random_numbers> jelly: I conflated them. It seems to do. My bad.
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• 3400[20:33:22] <Photon> Lost
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• 3402[20:33:46] <Photon> I was born yesterday. Now what?
• 3403[20:33:47] <random_numbers> man getfattr | man setfattr
• 3404[20:34:23] <Photon> um
• 3405[20:34:31] <Photon> Is that a typo or joke or what xD
• 3406[20:34:38] <random_numbers> Typo?
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• 3409[20:34:54] <Photon> No man entry for getfattr
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• 3411[20:34:56] <random_numbers> getfattr -> get file attributes
• 3412[20:35:04] <jelly> judd: file bin/getfattr
• 3413[20:35:08] <random_numbers> replaced-url
• 3414[20:35:09] <judd> Search for bin/getfattr in stretch/amd64: attr: usr/bin/getfattr
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• 3416[20:35:26] <jelly> Photon: the package has to be installed
• 3417[20:35:32] <jelly> attr
• 3418[20:35:34] <Photon> Oh
• 3419[20:36:18] <random_numbers> So chattr flags may be implemented via xattr in some file systems, but that's left to their discretion. xattr != chattr flags.
• 3420[20:36:21] <Photon> So I have a symlink that I want to be undeletable except I want it to still update normally
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• 3423[20:36:59] <random_numbers> ACL is implemented via xattr though.
• 3424[20:37:18] <random_numbers> Dunno if that's part of the standard or also "left to the discretion of <whatever>"
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• 3441[20:44:19] <knstn> isn't getfacl and setfacl ??
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• 3443[20:44:51] <knstn> acl =/= attr
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• 3448[20:45:54] <Photon> =/= ?
• 3449[20:46:00] <knstn> different
• 3450[20:46:15] <Photon> != where I come from =P
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• 3452[20:47:01] <knstn> Is it true? You can use cloud services to get access to unlimited CPU power for hacking activities?
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• 3456[20:47:43] <Photon> So I feel like I already asked, how do I override permissions in acl?
• 3457[20:47:48] <numbdewd> knstn: daffynately.. only n00bs are lagging back in these areas still, huh
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• 3461[20:48:50] <rauno> gabrielc: but where should i configure the gateway ip for guests ?
• 3462[20:49:03] <numbdewd> here, for Debian; to turn some measly random VPS into a ParrotOS-host , as part of ur network of auto-pentest nodes.. ~> replaced-url
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• 3465[20:50:28] <numbdewd> i used that thing on my android even, on the .. whatever the name of the debian terminal thingy which doesn't require root..didnt play much with it so far at all to say if much works still,or anything unusual at that, but at least it changed the terminal and some basic interface apeparances..and seemed to work so far--but who knows, just a funny thing (to reiterate, installed on a phone, lulz)
• 3466[20:51:03] <Photon> I got kali on my tablet
• 3467[20:51:10] <Photon> Got bored
• 3468[20:51:21] <random_numbers> For the most part hacking is an exploit story, not a processing power one. A ZX Spectrum could be enough to run a zero day on the network.
• 3469[20:51:25] <gabrielc> rauno: i dont know anything about the environment you are working
• 3470[20:51:32] <random_numbers> Or cracking, if you want to be pedantic.
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• 3474[20:52:32] <random_numbers> In practice security policy in businesses is lackluster and zero days are probably overkill.
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• 3476[20:52:34] <rauno> i mean on which device ?
• 3477[20:52:40] <gabrielc> rauno: the gateway maybe a router outside your machine or maybe you need that the machine be the gateway of the vm
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• 3479[20:53:19] <tw> kind of off-topic in here...
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• 3481[20:53:35] <rauno> gabrielc: router is outside
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• 3483[20:53:47] <rauno> but how should i make it available for the vms ?
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• 3485[20:54:01] <rauno> at the moment i have this: replaced-url
• 3486[20:54:49] <random_numbers> Well, debian has CVEs too.
• 3487[20:54:55] <gabrielc> rauno: putting the vm on the same vlan (or lan) of router i think
• 3488[20:54:57] <rauno> this vnet5 is the vm's interface
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• 3490[20:55:02] <random_numbers> There's even a mailing list for it.
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• 3492[20:55:14] <rauno> it should happen throught the 1043 tag
• 3493[20:55:20] <rauno> at least the server admin said so
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• 3496[20:55:52] <rauno> at least i was told "you can user vlan tagging (tag:1043) over eno1"
• 3497[20:56:22] <rauno> vs0 => vs0 interface is at the moment configured for the host public ip
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• 3499[20:57:25] <gabrielc> rauno: the router uses dhcp server to assign ip? or are a dhcp server running on vlan 1043?
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• 3503[20:57:46] <rauno> dhcp server should be one of the vms on this host
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• 3505[20:57:55] <rauno> it should start giving out ip's to other vms
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• 3507[20:58:31] <rauno> and if the dhcp server can't access the router at the moment then other vms won't receive public ips from it neither
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• 3509[20:58:59] <tw> If you only want the VMs going out over that bridge, you should remove everything from the bridge except the tagged virtual interface and the vnets going to your VMs.
• 3510[20:59:15] <gabrielc> rauno: ok. have you access to a machine on vlan 1043? to use as a dhcp client to test your dhcp server
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• 3513[21:00:04] <rauno> tw: so i should remove the physical interfaces from it ?!
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• 3516[21:01:05] <rauno> well dhcp server (vm) doesn't have access to router at the moment cause of the host (kvm) config
• 3517[21:01:07] <tw> If you want to bridge traffic from it, it should stay. If you want to only bridge traffic from the tagged interface, it probably shouldn't be there.
• 3518[21:01:39] <rauno> tw: well the guy who had set it up said i can use vlan tagging over the main interface (eno1)
• 3519[21:02:02] <rauno> so i think it should stay or there won't be any connectivity to outter world of host
• 3520[21:02:06] <tw> and you created a tagged interface based on eno1 that has the 1043 tag? So you have a virtual interface that is tagged, right?
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• 3526[21:04:43] <rauno> um
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• 3528[21:05:10] <tw> something like ip link add link eno1 name eno1.1043 type vlan id 1043
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• 3532[21:05:32] <rauno> basically yes, the vlan1043
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• 3535[21:05:50] <rauno> it's with a dummy ip atm
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• 3539[21:06:46] <rauno> wierd that 'bridge vlan' doesnt dislay it
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• 3541[21:06:58] <tw> okay, that virtual interface should get bridged and that will provide tagged output on the eno1 interface. That is to say all packets bridged to it will get the 1043 vlan tag when they're put on the wire.
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• 3545[21:07:25] <`Kevin> ^
• 3546[21:07:37] <rauno> i used: ovs-vsctl add-port mybridge vlan1043 -- set interface vlan1043 type=internal
• 3547[21:07:39] <tw> and only tagged packets coming back will get bridged back.
• 3548[21:07:40] <rauno> ovs-vsctl set port vlan1043 tag=1043
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• 3551[21:08:30] <rauno> and then i should be able to ping/access the router from 1043 tag network ?
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• 3559[21:10:40] <gabrielc> rauno: i dont want to confuse, quite the contrary, the traffic of vlan 1043 can enter tagged or untagged to eno1, depends of the switch setup for the port where eno1 is connected. you can run tcpdump on the interfaces to try catch some traffic like arp messages. we are assuming that the traffic for vlan 1043 enters tagged to eno1
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• 3562[21:11:34] <gabrielc> rauno: when you have a interface for vlan1043 you need setup ip/mask/gateway before send pings to the router
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• 3567[21:12:52] <`Kevin> rauno: its as simple as tw posted, if you are using openvswitch which is more layers/complexity then it may not be the same
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• 3569[21:13:03] <gabrielc> rauno: when it works then remove ip/mask/gateway of the vlan1043 interface and setup the same but on the vm. i dont know if i explain myself
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• 3604[21:26:43] <rauno> okay gabrielc `Kevin
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• 3606[21:27:21] <rauno> gabrielc: isn't the gateway and router same ip ?
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• 3609[21:27:46] <rauno> `Kevin: maybe its more complex yes, but gabrielc suggested to use it :)
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• 3612[21:28:46] <tw> kvm host?
• 3613[21:28:55] <rauno> yes it's kvm
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• 3615[21:29:12] <rauno> and the current vm i'm testing with should be the future dhcpd server
• 3616[21:29:23] <rauno> which should provide public ips to other vms
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• 3618[21:29:54] <rauno> public ips, probably locals will be random
• 3619[21:30:02] <gabrielc> rauno: use what you consider appropriate
• 3620[21:30:23] <rauno> at the moment i'd use anything what i could get working as fast as possible
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• 3622[21:31:00] <rauno> then i can investigate more deeply and decide which solution would be best for future purpose
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• 3624[21:31:21] <tw> post your /etc/network/interfaces file to some paste thing.
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• 3626[21:32:00] <rauno> actually i ain't on debian, it's a bit more complex unix system but mostly i can port stuff from debian to it
• 3627[21:32:18] <rauno> just didn't get anyone from anywhere else to deal with me :)
• 3628[21:32:23] <rauno> it's actually a nixos system
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• 3630[21:32:54] <rauno> but mostly the networking is same on all systems just some little config differences
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• 3632[21:32:57] <Visitor> hey
• 3633[21:32:59] <rauno> logic should be same
• 3634[21:33:06] <Visitor> i have this fix broken crap
• 3635[21:33:17] <Visitor> how do i just delete it i dont want to proceed
• 3636[21:33:32] <Visitor> You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these.
• 3637[21:33:43] <Visitor> i dont want to, how to just remove it
• 3638[21:34:10] <Visitor> ok i did it
• 3639[21:34:11] <Visitor> lol
• 3640[21:34:21] <Visitor> apt-get remove package
• 3641[21:35:03] <gabrielc> rauno: there is no machines on vlan1043? dhcp server would be the first?
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• 3644[21:35:30] <rauno> dhcp server is already installed, jsut the networking is down
• 3645[21:36:00] <rauno> kvm host should theoretically also be able to access this vlan 1043
• 3646[21:36:25] <gabrielc> rauno: have you already assigned ip/mask/gw on the dhcp server?
• 3647[21:36:40] <rauno> yes
• 3648[21:36:44] <rauno> but it cant ping the gw
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• 3654[21:37:43] <gabrielc> rauno: is gw configured to respond pings?
• 3655[21:37:48] <tw> well, if you continue with openvswitch, note that vlan tagging for bridges is backward from the rest of linux bridges. ovz puts the tag id on the incoming side (incoming packets are tagged) whereas regular linux bridges are not tag-aware and bridge everything.
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• 3657[21:37:57] <tw> *ovs
• 3658[21:38:30] <tw> so all of your VM virtual interfaces need to be marked as tag=1043 in ovs, and eno1 should have no tag.
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• 3661[21:39:31] <rauno> and without ovs how should the setup look like ?
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• 3664[21:39:55] <rauno> eno1 > vlan1043 > virbr0 (for guest interfaces) ?
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• 3668[21:40:17] <tw> use the ip link command I gave you before. then brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eno1.1043; brctl addif br0 vnet5
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• 3672[21:40:43] <rauno> probably i need to discard all the ovs and other changes before that ?
• 3673[21:40:49] <tw> mostlikely.
• 3674[21:41:14] <rauno> but on which device i'll keep the public ip of host (to keep access of ssh)
• 3675[21:41:22] <rauno> probably it can't be on eno1
• 3676[21:41:46] <tw> you can assign an ip address to br0 at that point.
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• 3680[21:42:29] <rauno> this is separate from vm's router/ip setup right?
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• 3682[21:42:39] <rauno> i mean separate from tag 1043
• 3683[21:42:58] <rauno> as they have different gw
• 3684[21:43:12] <tw> No, that's the same gw. use your current setup/gateway.
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• 3686[21:43:46] <rauno> yes, but vm's should communicate to another gw
• 3687[21:43:58] <rauno> thought the 1043 taag
• 3688[21:44:00] <rauno> thought the 1043 tag
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• 3691[21:44:19] <boubou> hey guys
• 3692[21:44:25] <apb1963> I can ssh from the LAN, but not the WAN. Details... replaced-url
• 3693[21:44:26] <tw> Oh, if that's the case, you can just use a different gateway in your route command.
• 3694[21:44:30] <boubou> I mounted a nfs share in /glftpd/site
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• 3697[21:44:59] <tw> And use the br0 interface just the same as I've already explained how to set up.
• 3698[21:45:00] <boubou> When I am connected to ssh, I can write in the directory but in glftpd, I cannot
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• 3700[21:45:24] <rauno> tw: yep, host has one public ip from one gw to access it (ssh etc) and now vm's should connect to different network/gateway using the same physical interface using 1043 tag
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• 3702[21:45:50] <tw> rauno: your host is already online right?
• 3703[21:46:03] <apb1963> boubou, wild guess.. glftpd probably has it's own set of configurable permissions. google it.
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• 3707[21:46:52] <boubou> I searched and I cannot find
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• 3709[21:47:03] <boubou> how can I mount a nfs in rw ?
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• 3711[21:47:05] <rauno> tw: yes
• 3712[21:47:14] <rauno> just switching and reverting conf
• 3713[21:47:25] <boubou> by default, can you tell me if a nfs share is mount rw ?
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• 3719[21:49:03] <tw> rauno: if it's already network accessible, you don't need to configure a gateway on br0. Make sure the network ranges for eno1 and br0 do not overlap.
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• 3722[21:52:29] <rauno> i just did
• 3723[21:52:37] <rauno> now i can access it via ssh
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• 3726[21:53:59] <rauno> so now
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• 3728[21:54:45] <rauno> tw: should I create vlan for eno1 ?
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• 3732[21:56:05] <boubou> # chmod 777 AM/
• 3733[21:56:05] <boubou> chmod: changing permissions of 'AM/': Permission denied
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• 3735[21:56:17] <boubou> its why I ask here ;) apb1963
• 3736[21:57:00] <boubou> # touch test
• 3737[21:57:00] <boubou> root@cpuftp1:/glftpd/site/AM#
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• 3743[21:58:38] <rauno> boubou: maybe ownership wrong ?
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• 3749[22:00:31] <rauno> babs: maybe something similar: (rw,all_squash,anonuid=1001,anongid=1001) < with correct anon id's
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• 3751[22:01:16] <rauno> tw: what did you mean by the ranges overlaping ?
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• 3755[22:02:17] <boubou> thx guys
• 3756[22:02:19] <boubou> fixed
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• 3759[22:02:52] <rauno> np boubou
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• 3761[22:03:23] <boubou> I mounted it with file_mode 777 and dir_mode 777
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• 3763[22:03:28] <boubou> fixed my issue
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• 3765[22:03:49] <rauno> 777 is always a dirty fix :)
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• 3768[22:05:11] <MikeDebian> Hello all. I'll soon need to transform a running single drive debian 8 webserver into a 2 HD RAID 1 system. The current server will be running (and can't have any downtime) and I have another server which will be used to implement the RAID 1 in. Considering I can't have any downtime and considering I don't want to risk any problem/issue with the current server, I'll not transform the current system to a RAID from within. Instead, I'm thinking ab
• 3769[22:05:11] <MikeDebian> out installing a fresh debian 8 system on the new RAID 1 server (with linux raid software) and then copying all the current OS to the new server. In order for this to be successfull I know I'll have to preserve some files on the new system, specially those related to the disks (/etc/fstab for instance and also /boot) and I'm wondering which additional files must I preserve, for instance all the raid mdadm configuration and stuff? I've never used
• 3770[22:05:12] <MikeDebian> RAID 1 with mdadm before so any input will be useful. Can anyone come with a list with files that should I preserve?
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• 3776[22:09:29] <rauno> gabrielc: does it make sense to make it work without ovs if i setup it like this eno1 => br0 (configured for public ip for host) and eno1 => vlan1043 => br1 (for kvm guests) ?
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• 3781[22:09:56] <rauno> nto sure thou where to configure some routing or somthing (myabe it could be done in kvm network?!)
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• 3785[22:10:16] <rauno> just wondering if i even understand this thing correctly :)
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• 3787[22:13:39] <jmcnaught> MikeDebian: does this system use LVM?
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• 3790[22:15:11] <MikeDebian> jmcnaught, are you talking about the current running system?
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• 3794[22:16:08] <jmcnaught> yeah, if it is using LVM then there are a couple of ways you can transition to RAID 1 without requiring a reinstall
• 3795[22:16:40] <MikeDebian> the current system is not using LVM
• 3796[22:17:32] <`Kevin> rauno: name your bridges similar to the vlan
• 3797[22:17:50] <_rubik> jmcnaught: If you dont mind elaborating though. I have a system using an lvm that I may want to transfer from a single drive to 2 drives in raid 1
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• 3799[22:18:44] <jmcnaught> parallel to this, it would also be good for you to have an automated way to deploy your website and restore from backup. In general don't bother backing up files provided by packages. Backup your configuration files in /etc, any custom or local applications you have installed to /usr/local, /opt, /srv etc.
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• 3801[22:19:03] <`Kevin> rauno: so if you end up with 2 different vlans you have 2 different bridges connected to 2 different en0.$vlanid interfaces, as these bridges are not 802.1q/vlan aware
• 3802[22:19:26] <`Kevin> rauno: your choice but just a suggestion
• 3803[22:19:42] <jmcnaught> MikeDebian: if you have databases to back up, do not simply copy their files from /var, make a dump of the databases, using mysqldump for example for mariadb
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• 3809[22:20:58] <`Kevin> rauno: for example en0.123 -> br123 -> $(all kvm hosts connected to vlan 123)
• 3810[22:21:19] <rauno> yes, u have a point
• 3811[22:21:29] <jmcnaught> _rubik: one method is you make a raid 1 array with mdadm, use pvcreate to make the array a physical volume, add it to your volume group, and use pvmove to transfer everything to the raid 1 array
• 3812[22:21:29] <rauno> just the br0 thing probably doesnt have any special tagging
• 3813[22:21:46] <rauno> `Kevin: anyways about the tagging thing
• 3814[22:21:54] <`Kevin> rauno: regarding routing you shouldnt need a br0 for the main interface unless you want todo something fancy with the bridge itself
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• 3817[22:22:12] <rauno> i just need to keep public access to the host
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• 3819[22:22:20] <rauno> it has a static ip
• 3820[22:22:31] <MikeDebian> jmcnaught, yes I have db, using dump that's fine. was your previous comment applied to me?
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• 3822[22:22:45] <rauno> this part at the moment works, just thinking how i get this tagged vlan working
• 3823[22:23:28] <jmcnaught> _rubik: another method is you add new drive(s) as physical volume(s), and then convert your existing logical volumes from linear to one of the other LVM volume types like raid1 or mirror (note that grub might not boot an LVM raid1 volume)
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• 3826[22:24:37] <jmcnaught> MikeDebian: yes it was. the general idea is don't try to back up the operating system itself.
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• 3831[22:25:40] <jmcnaught> MikeDebian: it's better to have a list of packages to reinstall, some config files to restore to /etc, and a database that you restore, and have that process automated some how
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• 3833[22:28:43] <MikeDebian> jmcnaught, I've already mirrored/copied an entire OS with no problem, just preserved the necessary files so it shouldn't be that different provided I preserve all the necessary disks/mdadm files
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• 3844[22:32:45] <jmcnaught> MikeDebian: are you doing something like using rsync to copy over /usr and /var?
• 3845[22:33:04] <gabrielc> rauno: tell me what setup you have now. ie: replaced-url
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• 3847[22:34:03] <rauno> bottom
• 3848[22:34:16] <gabrielc> rauno: and works?
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• 3850[22:34:21] <rauno> and br0 has configured static ip for public
• 3851[22:34:39] <MikeDebian> jmcnaught, another alternative may be installing a fresh debian 8 on the new server with LVM on 1 hard drive only, copying the OS like I've already done before and then transform it into a RAID 1 from within already on the new server
• 3852[22:34:50] <gabrielc> rauno: bottom has no br0
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• 3856[22:35:23] <MikeDebian> jmcnaught, the current system is being backup up entirely to an external disk which is prepared to run at anytime should the main hard drive fail
• 3857[22:35:29] <rauno> sorry, i'll write my exact setup atm
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• 3861[22:36:14] <jmcnaught> MikeDebian: if 'copying the OS' means restoring an image of a block device, go for it. If it means doing a fresh install of Debian and then copying the filesystem from a previous install of Debian over top of it, then that is not a good idea
• 3862[22:36:19] <MikeDebian> jmcnaught and that backup is made with rsync
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• 3870[22:37:56] <jmcnaught> MikeDebian: the backup should exclude /bin, /sbin, /usr, /var. Restore those files by installing the packages that provide them
• 3871[22:38:18] <rauno> gabrielc: replaced-url
• 3872[22:38:22] <MikeDebian> jmcnaught, copying the OS in this case means copying the necessary files from 1 server to the new server. As mentioned, this worked before and works everyday actually
• 3873[22:38:49] <rauno> but im thinking this ip thing on virbr0 is the thing that breaks everything ?!
• 3874[22:38:59] <MikeDebian> the backup is excluding non necessary dirs, those are some of them
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• 3876[22:39:52] <rauno> just not sure how this router behind vlan should become accesible for vm at the moment..
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• 3883[22:41:38] <rauno> gabrielc: also i can see some hello-time messages with tcpdump -nnei eno1.1043 -vvv
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• 3885[22:42:32] <rauno> and on tcpdump on virbr0 show some "incorrect" message...
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• 3887[22:44:19] <gabrielc> rauno: first check that vlan1043 is working fine on host. then check that the vlan1043 works at vm. step by step.
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• 3889[22:45:00] <rauno> ok
• 3890[22:45:01] <gabrielc> rauno: can you setup ip/mask/gw on eno.1043?
• 3891[22:45:16] <rauno> i'll try it
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• 3902[22:48:40] <rauno> gabrielc: added ip but cant add route to gw
• 3903[22:48:45] <rauno> netowrk unreachabel
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• 3910[22:50:27] <rauno> any ideas ?=
• 3911[22:50:28] <rauno> any ideas ?
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• 3913[22:51:33] <`Kevin> rauno: you added an IP/netmask to the tagged interface which should give your host access to the gw/router IP on that vlan correct?
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• 3915[22:51:53] <rauno> yes
• 3916[22:51:59] <`Kevin> rauno: if so run a tcpdump on that interface, make sure you see ARP requests going out when pinging, do you see arp responses?
• 3917[22:52:38] <gabrielc> rauno: can you ping to another host on vlan1043? gateway is not used for destinations on the same subnet
• 3918[22:52:56] <`Kevin> ^
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• 3920[22:53:13] <rauno> hum, probably dont have any other at the moment :)
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• 3925[22:53:35] <rauno> and if i cant add the route then it probably doesn't work?
• 3926[22:53:45] <rauno> as it would use the default route or not ?
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• 3928[22:54:00] <`Kevin> rauno: the network engineer who setup the vlan on the router/switch didnt provide an IP on that vlan to reach the router/switch?
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• 3932[22:55:14] <rauno> yes i have the router ip
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• 3938[22:56:18] <`Kevin> ok if that router IP is on vlan1043, tcpdump on your tagged interface and ping it (when you add an ip for that interface on your host do not specify gw)
• 3939[22:56:44] <rauno> ok, can't even specify gw as it won't allow :)
• 3940[22:56:51] <`Kevin> host being the machine running kvm where this setup is being done (the host already has a gw)
• 3941[22:56:54] <`Kevin> yep
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• 3943[22:57:10] <gabrielc> rauno: you need to setup the ip/mask of eno.1043 on the same subnet of router. has to be a free ip of that network.
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• 3945[22:58:00] <rauno> `Kevin: yep
• 3946[22:58:15] <rauno> gabrielc: yes, i did added x.x.x.2 as ip and 255.255.255.0 as netmask
• 3947[22:58:21] <rauno> for eno1.1043
• 3948[22:58:40] <rauno> and now when observing eno1.1043 with tcpdump it's silence
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• 3951[22:59:08] <`Kevin> pastebin the output of ip -d link show eno1.1043
• 3952[22:59:12] <rauno> even when i ping eno1.1043 ip
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• 3954[22:59:57] <bytesquid> Hey! I'm running debian stretch, and I've inserted a USB drive, but nothing is printed in `dmesg`. `lsmod` says I have `usb_common`, `usbcore`, `usbhid` loaded. Must the drive be bad, or is there a software explanation?
• 3955[23:00:01] <rauno> `Kevin: replaced-url
• 3956[23:00:05] <gabrielc> rauno: now you must send pings using eno.1043 ip address as source and the router on the same subnet as destination
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• 3959[23:01:23] <bytesquid> Oh also `lsusb` shows nothing new
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• 3965[23:01:53] <rauno> gabrielc: using -I eno.1043 and pinging router now showed something in tcpdump
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• 3967[23:02:19] <rauno> ethertype ARP (0x0806), length 42
• 3968[23:02:27] <gabrielc> rauno: run arp -na and check if there is the router mac address
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• 3973[23:03:13] <rauno> gabrielc: nope
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• 3975[23:03:17] <rauno> <incomplete>
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• 3979[23:04:44] <gabrielc> rauno: as a test, you can setup router mac address as static on host and retry the ping
• 3980[23:05:06] <`Kevin> rauno: vlan part looks correct wrt ip command output
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• 3982[23:06:17] <rauno> gabrielc: it has to be correct mac ?
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• 3984[23:06:52] <`Kevin> you could just do an arping instead of that static mapping but if arp is already broken it shouldnt work regardless ^
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• 3986[23:07:08] <rauno> `Kevin: which ip command output ?
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• 3988[23:07:19] <`Kevin> rauno: the pastebin looked correct
• 3989[23:07:23] <gabrielc> rauno: arp -i eno1.1043 -s ipofrouter macofrouter
• 3990[23:07:23] <rauno> ah ok
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• 3992[23:08:03] <rauno> and just a random mac ?
• 3993[23:08:20] <rauno> as i dont know the mac of it
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• 3996[23:09:02] <rauno> god i hope this vlan was setup correctly or i will break someone :D atleast i'm learning quite much about networking
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• 3998[23:09:33] <`Kevin> rauno: given the pastebin showing a proper vlan tagging, can you verify `ip addr show eno1.1043` has the proper ip + subnet ? IP not of the router but for your machine
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• 4000[23:10:11] <`Kevin> rauno: if you have the proper IP+subnet I would ask your network engineer to verify the port has trunking enabled
• 4001[23:10:17] <rauno> 21: eno1.1043@eno1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
• 4002[23:10:20] <rauno> link/ether 90:1b:0e:62:e7:82 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
• 4003[23:10:23] <rauno> inet 94.177.25.2/32 scope global eno1.1043
• 4004[23:10:24] <rauno> fck
• 4005[23:10:26] <rauno> valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
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• 4007[23:10:38] <`Kevin> pastebin woes :(
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• 4009[23:10:49] <`Kevin> ^ yea that would do it
• 4010[23:10:50] <rauno> crap happens
• 4011[23:11:13] <rauno> that was about my paste ?
• 4012[23:11:15] <gabrielc> rauno: whereis the vlan id?
• 4013[23:11:24] <`Kevin> rauno: the /32
• 4014[23:11:40] <`Kevin> gabrielc: replaced-url
• 4015[23:11:43] <rauno> or i missed some sentences while i was kicked
• 4016[23:11:56] <`Kevin> rauno: fix the netmask ^
• 4017[23:11:59] <`Kevin> :)
• 4018[23:12:10] <`Kevin> [21:10] < rauno> inet 94.177.25.2/32 scope global eno1.1043
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• 4022[23:14:05] <`Kevin> ping then should automatically choose the proper interface based off of a link local route
• 4023[23:14:15] <gabrielc> rauno: -d of ip command show the vlan information. ie ip -d addr show
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• 4025[23:15:16] <`Kevin> gabrielc: yea thats what i had him pastebin earlier, should have just done it with addr show instead of 2 different commands :|
• 4026[23:15:42] <rauno> yep fixed it, now i was able to set the gw in route table also
• 4027[23:15:48] <rauno> but that didnt change anything
• 4028[23:15:52] <gabrielc> rauno: sorry. i saw it
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• 4030[23:16:01] <rauno> ok
• 4031[23:17:03] <`Kevin> rauno: is .1 pingable? does it show up on arp -m
• 4032[23:17:09] <`Kevin> er arp -n
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• 4034[23:17:26] <gabrielc> rauno: can you ask to the "vlan provider" that he send pings all the time to the ip of eno1.1043? only for test
• 4035[23:17:53] <rauno> now after adding it to route table it says route unreachable for .1 ping
• 4036[23:18:04] <rauno> `Kevin: and yes it shows in arp but with no mac
• 4037[23:18:19] <gabrielc> rauno: also check iptables rules
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• 4042[23:18:43] <rauno> uhuu, how i forgot that
• 4043[23:18:46] <rauno> i'll disable fw
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• 4048[23:20:10] <rauno> disabled, but seems like everything is still same
• 4049[23:20:12] <`Kevin> if there is no arp entry then i would go back to the network guy and verify trunking is enabled and vlan blah is allowed (firewall rules blocking arp I do not think are common but perhaps you have something who knows)
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• 4054[23:21:29] <rauno> lol, i basically had this setup today more than few times and thought that i'm just newbie in networking and now you guys tell me it might be switch setup issue :D
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• 4058[23:23:10] <`Kevin> L2 vlan etc looks correct (-d from ip command) and L3 (addr) is added so ideally thats all there should be to it
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• 4060[23:23:16] <gabrielc> rauno: search and read about classes routing. maybe is your stage.
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• 4064[23:24:30] <gabrielc> rauno:
• 4065[23:24:39] <gabrielc> rauno: based on the mask /32
• 4066[23:25:36] <gabrielc> rauno: are you sure that the network mask is /32?
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• 4071[23:27:26] <`Kevin> gabrielc: i think he changed it to a /24 (i hope he changed it)
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• 4073[23:28:29] <rauno> gabrielc: i already fixed it as `Kevin requested it
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• 4078[23:29:12] <rauno> wait guys
• 4079[23:29:25] <rauno> just tried with 1050 tag
• 4080[23:29:41] <rauno> i remembed that we once talked about it but it was not reported to be used
• 4081[23:29:56] <rauno> and now this eno1.1050 interface got broadcast addr
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• 4083[23:30:06] <gabrielc> rauno: the other vlans may be from other clients
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• 4086[23:30:31] <rauno> that won't be the problem i think
• 4087[23:30:43] <`Kevin> rauno: broadcast addr should automatically be populated by the chosen netmask/subnet
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• 4089[23:31:13] <rauno> um ok
• 4090[23:31:24] <rauno> wondering why it didnt appear for 1043
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• 4092[23:32:21] <`Kevin> might be in a weird state from the prior /32 configuration
• 4093[23:32:23] <gabrielc> rauno: with /24 as mask, x.x.x.255 the broadcast
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• 4095[23:32:56] <`Kevin> rauno: try reconfiguring 1043 (remove addrs, and add the /24 back) see if you get a .255 broadcast
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• 4097[23:35:17] <rauno> what's this in tcpcump router solicitation ?
• 4098[23:35:31] <`Kevin> ipv6 likely
• 4099[23:35:34] <rauno> some mac is associated with that message
• 4100[23:35:56] <rauno> ah yes, ipv6
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• 4102[23:36:29] <gabrielc> rauno: icmp maybe
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• 4104[23:37:00] <rauno> gabrielc: ye u right
• 4105[23:37:02] <`Kevin> ^ tis icmp regarding ipv6 discovery
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• 4107[23:38:19] <gabrielc> rauno: can you run tcpdump on parent interface (eno1) to see if are vlan1043 there?
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• 4109[23:39:02] <rauno> `Kevin: yep your right, readded the vlan1043 interface with /24 and it now got the broadcast addr also
• 4110[23:39:11] <`Kevin> use -e flag for tcpdump if you want vlan info
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• 4116[23:40:53] <rauno> tcpdump -nnei eno1 -vvv
• 4117[23:40:55] <rauno> ?
• 4118[23:41:09] <rauno> this gives too much data, can't even track anything :)
• 4119[23:41:25] <`Kevin> shouldnt need vvv
• 4120[23:41:27] <`Kevin> for this
• 4121[23:41:30] <rauno> ok
• 4122[23:41:40] <rauno> with that command got a spamm of (incorrect -> 0x51d8)
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• 4124[23:42:30] <`Kevin> cna ignore incorrect its likely nic hardware checksum offload related
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• 4126[23:42:39] <`Kevin> wrt tcp offload or similar
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• 4129[23:43:16] <rauno> ok
• 4130[23:43:21] <`Kevin> maybe grep for vlan and try to ping the router on 1043
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• 4133[23:44:24] <rauno> hum, same messages yep
• 4134[23:45:38] <rauno> if i ping the 1043 router then it shows wiht or withotu -I um in tcpdump of eno1
• 4135[23:46:31] <`Kevin> right i was saying grep for `vlan` during the tcpdump to skip those checksum errs
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• 4137[23:46:50] <`Kevin> or do you see them on lines related to vlan?
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• 4143[23:48:12] <gabrielc> rauno: remember, nobody is required to respond ping, but in a vlan or lan, the host that runs the ping has to know the mac address of the ping destination
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• 4145[23:48:29] <`Kevin> ^
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• 4150[23:49:09] <`Kevin> agreed thou you should at least get an arp response, but i could see some orgs perhaps even locking that down but its seems a bit crazy
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• 4156[23:51:23] <rauno> the guy told me that ping should work >.<
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• 4159[23:52:21] <`Kevin> <- going afk, but goodluck :) if you only see one way traffic in tcpdump (out from you trying to reach IP but no response then followup with network guy)
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• 4162[23:52:43] <contrapunctus> Debian Stretch. I set up Syncthing as a user service (systemd), but when I run journalctl --user-unit=syncthing.service, I get "No journal files were opened due to insufficient permissions." Shouldn't a user be able to access logs for their own services? I tried running it with --user (as suggested at replaced-url
• 4163[23:52:44] <contrapunctus> improvement.
• 4164[23:53:13] <rauno> yep going to sleep also thanks gabrielc `Kevin hopefully i'll get some extra info tomorrow
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• 4167[23:54:49] <rauno> a moment
• 4168[23:54:51] <rauno> gabrielc:
• 4169[23:55:03] <gabrielc> .
• 4170[23:55:05] <rauno> what mac should that ICMP message refer to?
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• 4172[23:55:20] <rauno> now if i added that mac to that router
• 4173[23:55:26] <rauno> i got some more tcpdump data
• 4174[23:55:32] <gabrielc> rauno: i dont understand
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• 4178[23:56:51] <rauno> if i pinged the router, it usually said ff:ff:.. for the mac but that ICMP message had some other mac
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• 4183[23:57:01] <rauno> now when i used arp to map that mac to router
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• 4185[23:57:20] <rauno> and now when pinging router there's some more tcp dump messages with vlan tags
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• 4187[23:58:39] <rauno> not sure who's mac it was
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• 4189[23:59:31] <gabrielc> rauno: did you fond a mac address and use it as if it were the router itself?
• 4190[23:59:42] <rauno> yes
• 4191[23:59:52] <rauno> but it was from icmp message
• 4192[23:59:57] <rauno> so not sure if the correct one
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