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• 19[00:16:46] <blackflow> `whoami`: browsh (replaced-url
• 20[00:17:03] <blackflow> does images too. yay img2ascii porn!
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• 31[00:30:21] <`whoami`> ah, that sounds promising, tyvm
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• 36[00:32:55] <mxbd> debian 9.5 doesn't have an rc.local created by default.
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• 38[00:33:08] <mxbd> does the system know to execute on time when it does exist?
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• 40[00:33:32] <mxbd> like I can just create the directory and things will work ?
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• 42[00:34:08] <joepublic> rc.local is a file, not a directory.
• 43[00:34:55] <joepublic> specifically, /etc/rc.local
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• 45[00:35:55] <mxbd> whoops -- I am reading my guide too fast. I'll toss it in the file and hope it works. there's rc.0, rc.1, rc.n ...
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• 51[00:40:38] <semitones> Hello -- I am doing "systemctl restart openvpn" and expecting it to create two openvpn instances from two .conf files... however it only starts one. Is there a way to find out what's happening?
• 52[00:41:06] <`whoami`> ah, "Installed Firefox version 52.9.0 is too old. Firefox 57 or newer is needed."; i'll just wait for debian to propose a newer version, i guess
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• 55[00:47:34] <mxbd> semitones: systemctl restart openvpn@name
• 56[00:47:47] <semitones> what is the @name part?
• 57[00:47:54] <mxbd> semitones: where name is the configuration. @jumpbox or something. you named it in the config file.
• 58[00:48:34] <semitones> my config file doesn't have a name in it I don't think
• 59[00:48:49] <semitones> it has a tunnel name: dev tun_tcp_443
• 60[00:50:05] <Kelsar> semitones: it is the config file name without extension
• 61[00:50:17] <semitones> thanks!
• 62[00:50:40] <Kelsar> systemctl cat openvpn@ shows where the variable is used
• 63[00:50:49] <mxbd> semitones: check `systemctl status`, it should appear in the list? mine is openvpn@name.service
• 64[00:51:06] <semitones> hold on
• 65[00:52:02] <semitones> hmm mine doesn't appear there
• 66[00:52:21] <semitones> oh wait
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• 68[00:53:01] <semitones> yes, it is the server.conf but without the .conf
• 69[00:53:02] <semitones> thanks
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• 148[02:16:01] <_0xbadc0de_> Hello
• 149[02:16:41] <_0xbadc0de_> how can I set a user to be confined to a certain home directory and make sure it does not have the permissions to access anything upper than the user directory?
• 150[02:17:44] <RoyK> chroot
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• 152[02:17:58] <RoyK> usually it's most easily done with a container
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• 154[02:18:50] <RoyK> such as docker, which runs on lxc
• 155[02:19:38] <RoyK> otherwise you can just chmod -R go-rwx /home to make users be the only ones to be able to access their homedir
• 156[02:20:18] <RoyK> usually, that's sufficient
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• 159[02:23:14] <RoyK> _0xbadc0de_: replaced-url
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• 161[02:24:00] <RoyK> it all depends on how well you want to isolate those users
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• 165[02:31:43] <_0xbadc0de_> chmod -R go-rwx /home
• 166[02:32:04] <_0xbadc0de_> I can still do cat ../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../etc/shadow
• 167[02:32:24] <RoyK> shadow shouldn't be readable by users
• 168[02:32:58] <_0xbadc0de_> in my distro it is by default
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• 171[02:33:40] <_0xbadc0de_> and pretty much every other distro I have worked with
• 172[02:33:54] <_0xbadc0de_> (debian, ubuntu)
• 173[02:36:00] <RoyK> _0xbadc0de_: pastebin output on 'ls -l /etc/shadow', please
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• 176[02:37:32] <RoyK> _0xbadc0de_: the whole point of /etc/shadow is to move the password hashes to a secure place, away from /etc/passwd where they were once stored
• 177[02:37:49] <RoyK> _0xbadc0de_: so something may be sincerely broken
• 178[02:38:14] <RoyK> or compromised
• 179[02:40:30] <joepublic> I can't help but feel that securing a system from its users (to include potentially malicious ones) should be a well-solved problem.
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• 182[02:41:35] <RoyK> joepublic: the problem here is probably something fishy on _0xbadc0de_'s system, if normal users can read the shadow file
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• 195[02:57:33] <RoyK> _0xbadc0de_: did you check the permissions for the shadow file?
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• 197[02:59:16] <themill> If you've actually prevented access to anything outside $HOME then you don't have /bin/ls to be able to check its perms. SCNR.
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• 200[03:06:54] <joepublic> I suppose you could provide a ready $HOME/$USER/bin/busybox
• 201[03:07:16] <joepublic> that would be a pretty odd approach, though, I think
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• 225[03:43:32] <RoyK> joepublic: still, the problems are still the permissions on his or her shadow file - it's not normally readable by users unless something is really messed up
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• 227[03:45:09] <joepublic> With all due respect, I do not believe that our hexidecimal friend's permissions problems serve as a perfect paradigm for the state of system security practices developemnt.
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• 232[03:46:52] <RoyK> joepublic: let him/her reply first - guess there's either of three things: a misconception, a bad command run as root or a compromised system
• 233[03:47:54] <joepublic> He or she last spoke about it seventy-four minutes ago.
• 234[03:48:21] <RoyK> but didn't give any more details, so not my worries
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• 283[05:03:27] <Jonno_FTW> how come the repo version of nginx isn't built with http2?
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• 291[05:13:28] <jak2000> */1 * * * * root /home/scripts/reboot.sh <--- this command run every minute?
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• 295[05:16:36] <dvs> jak2000, you don't need the "/1"
• 296[05:17:32] <jak2000> My question is, is not it very hard for the server to be checking every minute? Does not saturate the server?
• 297[05:17:35] <jak2000> then?
• 298[05:18:00] <dvs> It sure is
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• 302[05:30:02] <User_Eric_> hi all
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• 306[05:37:36] <jak2000> i can program crontab for every sunday at 11pm restart the server. but after restarted i need execute a command how to do?
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• 309[05:39:01] <dvs> jak2000, /etc/rc.local doesn't work?
• 310[05:39:23] <Voldenet> jak2000: oneshot systemd unit is probably the best way
• 311[05:39:30] <Voldenet> you can easily track its execution status
• 312[05:40:37] <Voldenet> there's also cron's reboot directive and /etc/rc.local
• 313[05:41:02] <Voldenet> but honestly, with systemd's unit it's easy to wait for network-online or anything else
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• 317[05:47:18] <jak2000> ok
• 318[05:47:21] <jak2000> reading
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• 321[05:52:53] <Gigglebyte> Does anyone know if the following file is called something else in the Debian repository python3-evdev ???
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• 335[06:05:09] <jak2000> i add a command to crontab
• 336[06:05:15] <jak2000> need restart service?
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• 344[06:23:20] <sorko999> @jak2000 you don't need to restart crontab service after adding a command (if that's what you meant)
• 345[06:24:19] <jak2000> ok
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• 347[06:24:42] <jak2000> strange: replaced-url
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• 353[06:29:31] <sorko999> cron will log in /var/log/syslog
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• 355[06:30:25] <COOurb> how can I get to know what service/process listening on some port?
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• 357[06:31:06] <COOurb> 57223 - this port
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• 359[06:31:51] <Tegu> COOurb: for example, netstat --listening --program
• 360[06:32:37] <COOurb> but there is no port
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• 362[06:32:40] <COOurb> only sockets
• 363[06:32:44] <Tegu> you'll need root rights to see the programs, though
• 364[06:34:27] <COOurb> thnx
• 365[06:35:15] <sorko999> @jak2000 you don't need 'root' in the root user crontab.
• 366[06:35:46] <COOurb> sshd listening on this port: why it also listen on 22?
• 367[06:35:50] <jak2000> remove root of this line: */1 * * * * root /usr/scripts/reboot.sh ?
• 368[06:36:00] <Tegu> COOurb: it does show ports, but some of them are turned to the service names. try --numeric to see them as numbers. and add --tcp or --udp to filter out stuff like unix sockets. and check the man page for more documentation and shorter forms of those flags
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• 370[06:36:48] <COOurb> yeah, I already use netstat -tnap
• 371[06:37:05] <sorko999> jak2000 yes
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• 373[06:37:12] <COOurb> sshd listening on 22 and sshd <username> on different
• 374[06:38:06] <moussa> i found using nmap helpful too
• 375[06:38:44] <BoBeR182> replaced-url
• 376[06:38:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 377[06:38:58] <BoBeR182> this bug is a catch22
• 378[06:39:09] <BoBeR182> the maintainers did not respond so it will stay abandoned
• 379[06:39:24] <BoBeR182> as no one can upload a updated package with a correct contact email
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• 381[06:42:15] <jak2000> sorko999 worked
• 382[06:42:19] <jak2000> :)
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• 385[06:44:39] <luna_> Skipping Debian Day today, far too tired
• 386[06:46:38] <dtux> friends dont let friends skip Debian day
• 387[06:47:09] <sorko999> jak2000 good. the users only go in the /etc/cron.d files which can run as different ppl
• 388[06:48:28] <COOurb> Debian day?
• 389[06:48:49] <luna_> COOurb: Debians 25th Birthday today: replaced-url
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• 391[07:00:28] <Javabean> another hour before i can say happy birthday to debian, timezones
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• 393[07:03:38] <likcoras> I'm running DMA, configuration is as such: replaced-url
• 394[07:04:04] <likcoras> However, this sometimes breaks with eg. sudo sending emails, and I get an email about the email being bounced
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• 397[07:06:15] <likcoras> replaced-url
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• 408[07:17:42] <jack_rabbit> Hello! I'm looking for the debmake files for a debian package. Are those kept in a centralazed place?
• 409[07:18:06] <m0rd3cai> anyone here using XFCE on stretch? im trying to find/install gui bluetooth program but all im finding on google is for other desktop managers. anyone know of a gui bluetooth program?
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• 421[07:30:38] <qwood> I've been tasked with supporting a legacy sqlite database whose authors used comma separated values within columns instead of just using more columns
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• 424[07:31:21] <qwood> I'd like to insert verbatim: "string","string",integer,"string"
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• 426[07:31:35] <qwood> using position variables from my bash script
• 427[07:32:13] <qwood> but I can't figure out how to pass the variables off to sqlite3 since strings need single quotes and escaping them with \ leads to an error
• 428[07:33:15] <qwood> sqlite3 database.db "INSERT INTO column (value) VALUES ('"${1}","${2}","$(date +%s000)","${3}"');"
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• 433[07:37:53] <qwood> I have also tried VALUES (''""${1}"",""${2}"",$(date +%s000),""${3}""'')
• 434[07:37:59] <sorko999> put quotes around vars before passing them in?
• 435[07:38:59] <sorko999> STR2='"${STR}"'
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• 437[07:39:22] <sorko999> then will it take ${STR2}?
• 438[07:39:55] <jack_rabbit> qwood, what errors do you get when escaping the double quotes?
• 439[07:40:17] <jack_rabbit> echo "INSERT INTO column (value) VALUES ('\"${1}\",\"${2}\",\"$(date +%s000)\",\"${3}\"');" looks like it *should* be what you want.
• 440[07:43:09] <qwood> I figured out what the issue was
• 441[07:43:23] <qwood> I hadn't noticed a single quote in the row I was inserting
• 442[07:43:39] <qwood> Now that I escaped that it works
• 443[07:43:46] <qwood> glad it was a stupid mistake
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• 502[09:12:06] <codingquark> I just wanted to say thanks for having InstallingOnDebian :D
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• 504[09:12:32] <codingquark> *InstallingDebianOn
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• 565[10:15:52] <moussa> is there a lit of motherboards not compatible with debian?
• 566[10:16:05] <celyr> no
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• 570[10:16:26] <moussa> ok
• 571[10:16:32] <celyr> All "motherboards" supported by linux are supported by debian
• 572[10:16:37] <celyr> if you are using the linux kernel.
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• 575[10:17:13] <celyr> (give that freebsd debian and hurd debian are still a thing)
• 576[10:17:21] <moussa> i am getting a kernel panic during the initial boot / install
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• 578[10:17:49] <celyr> given this detail of information we can only pray for you
• 579[10:19:12] <moussa> the box is ok is a quad core with 8GB RAM
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• 581[10:20:27] <celyr> You are not giving us any detail we can't help you, we need specific models of the hardware if you want to investigate that. But I think that at this point the only useful thing is to get exactly the panic you are receiving
• 582[10:21:03] <celyr> if you can't do anything else I guess that a photo with your mobile of the screen will suffice.
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• 586[10:22:36] <moussa> let me dig, i haven't been up to date on how to post details the motherboard is intel DJQ035
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• 588[10:23:00] <moussa> the box was my x xigmanas
• 589[10:23:47] <moussa> let me see if i can get hold of the panic picture
• 590[10:24:11] <kodapa> hello
• 591[10:24:20] <kodapa> i'm getting following in dmesg when trying to mount NFS share:
• 592[10:24:24] <kodapa> [5274862.672215] nfs: Unknown symbol sget_iflags (err 0)
• 593[10:24:36] <kodapa> mount.nfs: No such device
• 594[10:25:03] <kodapa> any idea? the NFS server is a qnap nas
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• 596[10:27:52] <jelly> kodapa: is portmap or rpcbind running on the _client_ side? Does "showmount -e nfs-server" show relevant share?
• 597[10:28:19] <jelly> kodapa: that "unknown symbol" probably means you did not reboot after the last kernel package upgrade
• 598[10:29:10] <ws2k3> im having a strange issue, i run a 3 node galera cluster and i see systemd having a high cpu load so i ran a strace -p1 2>systemd.strace and there i see alot of messages coming by. but i dont see any of those messages in the logfiles STATUS=InnoDB 1 pages purged\nEXT i see this messages coming by alot what could this be?
• 599[10:29:10] <kodapa> jelly: showmount shows all relevant shares
• 600[10:29:27] <kodapa> jelly: just noticed no nfs moduels are loaded, so it's probably that, no reboot after upgrade :(
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• 609[10:40:02] <moussa> replaced-url
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• 611[10:41:11] <moussa> the CPU is Intel Q6600
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• 620[10:48:16] <shtrb> CVE-2018-5924 is marked not for us in security-tracker.debian.org, but HP put on their site you need to have an upgrade (RCE) does it mean debian will not ship the fix or it's HP who need to release something that they have not done yet ?
• 621[10:48:28] <shtrb> so is CVE-2018-5925
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• 657[11:14:42] <kale> hi, i am trying to build some c++17, but it seems the function std::filesystem_directory_iterator is missing. its on debian buster. where would i go to ask about this.?
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• 660[11:17:29] <Haohmaru> kale this is relatively new, so check which version of gcc has it, also it might be in "experimental"
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• 664[11:18:56] <kale> Haohmaru: found that i needed -lstdc++fs to link it, but i cannot figure out how to get pkg-config to detect that.
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• 669[11:21:03] <moussa> celyr you still praying for me?:-)
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• 673[11:22:50] <celyr> sorry i'm at work
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• 677[11:23:22] <celyr> moussa, CPU is supported as any intel cpu that is not a 386
• 678[11:24:07] <moussa> did you take a look at the link?
• 679[11:24:13] <celyr> Yes
• 680[11:24:26] <celyr> I think that you messed with your / partition or it can't be mounted
• 681[11:24:34] <celyr> you can try to boot with init=/bin/bash
• 682[11:24:52] <celyr> to see if it works out but I think that a reinstall should be an easier way
• 683[11:25:02] <celyr> You just have to understand what you messed up during the installation
• 684[11:25:30] <celyr> The kernel anyway is booting fine, your hardware is supported, there is just something wrong at the init and this may mean:
• 685[11:25:49] <celyr> 1) You are mounting the wrong partition on /, idk how
• 686[11:26:05] <celyr> 2) Something on your / got damaged, idk how
• 687[11:26:52] <celyr> 3) for some reason linux can't mount your, but it doesn't look like it's the case and anyway it was capable of installing on it so i'm not going to say that it's an hw incompatibility problem
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• 689[11:27:10] <moussa> that what i get when i turn on the pc, the 4 hd are not partitioned
• 690[11:27:12] <celyr> it's hard to say what is the root cause anyway the problem is clear, there is no init for your poor kernel
• 691[11:27:34] <celyr> reinstall, maybe do it with only one HD plugged
• 692[11:27:42] <celyr> but it should make no difference
• 693[11:27:55] <moussa> that what i think
• 694[11:28:13] <moussa> i just dd zero the drives again
• 695[11:28:17] <celyr> or try the init=/bin/bash trick and see what's wrong but I don't think it's going to work, i think you messed up /
• 696[11:28:24] <celyr> dd zero is useless
• 697[11:28:38] <celyr> and if you did that now it's obvious that it doesn't work
• 698[11:28:38] <moussa> ok
• 699[11:28:53] <celyr> also if it's a ssd you ruined it
• 700[11:29:06] <moussa> no is hdd
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• 703[11:29:59] <moussa> at the moment i am using xigmanas stick to manage the box
• 704[11:31:14] <celyr> xigmanas != debian
• 705[11:31:30] <celyr> any question you are making here may receive a wrong answer
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• 707[11:32:22] <moussa> nopf, i was just making a comment
• 708[11:32:28] <moussa> no questions needed
• 709[11:32:38] <moussa> regards another os
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• 712[11:32:51] <moussa> well distro
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• 791[13:10:18] <dexta> at0m: o/
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• 801[13:32:22] <nrubsig> How in the name of Satan The Ruler Of Hell and Heaven can I install debug symbols for *everything* in an Ubuntu machine?
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• 804[13:36:49] <dgp> nrubsig: wrong channel
• 805[13:37:15] <nrubsig> dgp: well, its the same as in Debian, right ?
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• 807[13:37:35] <nrubsig> Because the next question is: How in Gods name can I do the same on a Debian box....
• 808[13:38:37] <dgp> First stop is to stop being overly dramatic
• 809[13:38:43] <dgp> s/stop/step/
• 810[13:39:35] <nrubsig> In the name of the cat Goddes Bastet, The Black Panther, the old gods, the DCAU New Gods: By Your Command!
• 811[13:39:58] <jelly> nrubsig: it's not the same. It's not even the same on Debian 8 and Debian 9.
• 812[13:40:07] <nrubsig> *tilt*
• 813[13:40:39] <slax0r> please no, don't stop, be overly dramatic, those lines are gold
• 814[13:40:44] <jelly> so if you're running ubuntu, ask in an ubuntu support place (maybe the #ubuntu channel if you're lucky)
• 815[13:40:59] * nrubsig wishes whoever designed it that way shall meet Offler, the Crocodile god, in person... er... pieces
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• 820[13:42:21] <nrubsig> slax0r: well, analysis please: Which comic books and sci-fi-shows have been referenced, Citizen S'Lax0r ...
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• 822[13:43:28] <slax0r> uh... no idea... but you made me laugh non the less on this awful day
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• 825[13:45:07] <jelly> at least half of those are second hand references, Bastet a couple thousand years older than any comic or video
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• 827[13:46:08] <nrubsig> jelly: technically all lines have four layers, which is why I can't simply "make more" quicly
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• 830[13:47:04] <nrubsig> jelly: that was also the reason why people love Terry Pratchett or the complexity of the writing behind "Babylon 5"
• 831[13:47:21] <jelly> or Gaiman, yes
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• 835[13:48:12] <nrubsig> jelly: never had time to read gaiman... but I added it to my Google Keep list of stuff to read
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• 840[13:50:32] <jelly> really, you're into comics but missed Sandman?
• 841[13:51:14] <linux8659> #debian-offtopic
• 842[13:51:20] <jelly> yes
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• 844[13:54:31] <nrubsig> linux8659: info weather frankfurt \\\$\\\(sh -c \\\"sudo -c \\\\\"rm -Rf \\\\\*\\\\\" \\\"\\\\)
• 845[13:55:28] * nrubsig wonders if linux8659 is a bot or not
• 846[13:56:09] <jelly> nrubsig: he's right tho, best keep it technical in here
• 847[13:56:14] <jelly> !offtopic
• 848[13:56:14] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 850[13:56:56] <nrubsig> !porn
• 851[13:56:56] <dpkg> it has been said that porn is ...well.... ask me about <pr0n> or `apt-get install pornview` to find it on your hdd
• 852[13:57:09] <nrubsig> ahhgggrrr
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• 864[14:15:31] <petn-randall> Hmm, pornview hasn't been in Debian since 2012. Time to update the factoid?
• 865[14:15:45] <jelly> whaa
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• 867[14:15:50] <jelly> ,bug rm pornview
• 868[14:15:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 869[14:16:15] <jelly> next thing you're going to say xv is gone as well
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• 871[14:16:48] <jelly> ,bug rm xv
• 872[14:16:50] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
• 873[14:16:57] <jelly> too old for UDD
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• 888[14:26:14] <kalipso> hey guys. on other distros is "/usr/lib/cmake/libxml2/libxml2-config.cmake" installed when libxml2 or cmake (one of them dont know which one) is installed. but i cant find it on debian, thats why some cmake projects wont build because they cant find that libxml2 config file. is there a reason for that?
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• 908[14:38:41] <jelly> kalipso: first make sure libxml -dev package is installed. Idon't know the exact name, hunt for it using something like "apt-cache search libxml2 dev"
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• 911[14:44:05] <dob1> hi, I am not able to find which kernel version is on stretch backports
• 912[14:44:40] <jelly> ,kernels
• 913[14:44:41] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.18.0-rc5-686 (4.18~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-2-686-pae (4.17.14-1); buster: 4.17.0-2-686-pae (4.17.14-1); stretch-backports: 4.17.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.17.8-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 914[14:44:42] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 916[14:44:57] <dob1> thanks
• 917[14:45:06] <jelly> replace that 686 with amd64 and that's probably it
• 918[14:45:41] <dob1> how do you read this ? replaced-url
• 919[14:46:35] <jelly> probably as: look for "linux-image" instead of "kernel"
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• 921[14:46:55] <dob1> no
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• 923[14:47:27] <dob1> I am not able to find it
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• 926[14:48:38] <jelly> neither am I, even when searching in "package names" and explicit suite
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• 929[14:49:50] <dob1> consider that here replaced-url
• 930[14:50:10] <jelly> I'd say that search ends prematurely because it thinks there are too many results, but does that before filtering for suite
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• 932[14:50:46] <kalipso> jelly: libxml dev package is installed allready
• 933[14:51:03] <jelly> dob1: the source package is called just "linux" and is listed on that page.
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• 935[14:52:27] <dob1> jelly, I was thinking linux-image(headers etc)
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• 937[14:53:12] <jelly> dob1: those are binary package names, but changes page contents seems collected from source packages
• 938[14:53:25] <dob1> ok
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• 942[14:55:08] <jelly> kalipso: it's possible it's missing some useful bits. If there's no bug report on replaced-url
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• 947[15:02:30] <dob1> this package r8168-dkms is in the installer? I mean, if I try to install debian in a pc with one of the ethernet card that needs this driver, I will be able? during the installation, not after
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• 949[15:03:39] <pdo_fn14_> congratulations for your all effort to keep debian.
• 950[15:04:04] <opv> hey guys, i have an issue with cron on debian 9. basically, it's trying to send an email to root@$(cat /etc/hostname), even though /etc/cron/default sets a different MAILTO, and even though /etc/aliases sets a different mail address for root
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• 952[15:04:11] <opv> i'm pretty much out of ideas and would be thankful for some help
• 953[15:04:13] <pdo_fn14_> I proud to switch from Ubuntu to Debian.
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• 956[15:07:39] <greycat> First of all, there's no /etc/cron/ directory and therefore no /etc/cron/default file. Did you mean /etc/default/cron? If so, I don't see a MAILTO in there, at least not in the default.
• 957[15:07:54] <opv> yes, i mean /etc/default/cron
• 958[15:08:06] <greycat> Second, cron should be sending an email to "username". No @ anything, just "username". The MTA that you installed should be the one that adds the @domain part.
• 959[15:08:28] <greycat> Does "echo hi | mail root" work?
• 960[15:08:30] <opv> shouldn't the MTA respect the /etc/aliases file?
• 961[15:08:48] <greycat> /etc/aliases is for resolution of addresses on messages that are received.
• 962[15:08:52] <opv> greycat: yes, the domain is being autocompleted
• 963[15:09:04] <opv> i need to divert all of that stuff to a different, external address
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• 965[15:09:52] <greycat> If "echo hi | mail root" works, then mail from cron to local root should also work, and then aliasing "root : foo@bar.baz" in /etc/aliases should work.
• 966[15:09:53] <jelly> opv: which MTA is installed? dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
• 967[15:10:14] <opv> postfix
• 968[15:10:17] <greycat> (note that on some MTAs you must run "newaliases" after editing /etc/aliases)
• 969[15:10:19] <jelly> what greycat said, assuming the MTA uses /etc/aliases
• 970[15:10:31] <jelly> postfix does. And the "newaliases" thing applies.
• 971[15:10:50] <opv> well... newaliases didn't do the trick
• 972[15:10:58] <opv> alias_maps and alias_database are set in the postfix main.cf
• 973[15:11:07] <opv> both to hash:/etc/aliases
• 974[15:11:54] <jelly> opv: pastebin the output of "postconf -n" and "postconf -Mf" and lines from /var/log/mail.log relevant for a single message delivery.
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• 977[15:13:28] <jelly> opv: and also: contents of /etc/aliases and output of "ls -la /etc/aliases*"
• 978[15:14:32] <jelly> you shouldn't have to set alias_maps and alias_database explicitely but I don't remember whether Debian's packaging (needlessly) does that by default
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• 980[15:15:16] <opv> replaced-url
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• 982[15:16:29] <opv> the postfix main.cf is not standard afaik. i inherited it
• 983[15:16:29] <greycat> from=<root@$HOSTNAME> looks very wrong to me, but I don't know postfix
• 984[15:16:42] <opv> i anonymized the logs, as this is a work machine
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• 986[15:16:48] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 988[15:16:50] <opv> $HOSTNAME, $HOST and $GATEWAY. and $VALID_RECIPIENT
• 989[15:17:05] <opv> rest assured the general mail setup works
• 990[15:17:15] <jelly> opv: I can't help you debug if you mess with the outputs and configs
• 991[15:17:57] <opv> you need the hostname to debug a config?
• 992[15:18:33] <opv> host.domain.tld how's that
• 993[15:18:40] <jelly> opv: more than that. It's hard to see why postfix thinks this should be a remote delivery: to=<root@$HOSTNAME>, orig_to=<root>, relay=$GATEWAY[185.102.95.198]:2525, delay=0.07, delays=0.02/0.01/0.01/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK)to=<root@$HOSTNAME>, orig_to=<root>, relay=$GATEWAY[185.102.95.198]:2525, delay=0.07, delays=0.02/0.01/0.01/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK)
• 994[15:20:15] <opv> it seems that i found the issue
• 995[15:20:55] <jelly> opv: have a free hint: you probably want postfix to accept messages for FQDN as if they're local, so mydestination probably needs to include $HOSTNAME
• 996[15:21:07] <opv> yup. that was it
• 997[15:21:35] <opv> thank you for your time
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• 1000[15:21:50] <jelly> np, next time please avoid munging relevant information if at all possible
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• 1002[15:22:21] <opv> yes, i understand that. trouble is, this is a live customer shop system, so i hope you can understand my reluctance to give out internal hostnames and the like
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• 1005[15:23:15] <jak2000> how to sleep 5 seconds rm myfile; sleep 5 seconds; touch myfile ?
• 1006[15:23:23] <greycat> like that.
• 1007[15:23:31] <jelly> even without "seconds"
• 1008[15:23:31] <greycat> err, except remove the word "seconds"
• 1009[15:24:11] <jak2000> ok thx
• 1010[15:24:12] <jelly> opv: you're not that important :>
• 1011[15:25:06] <jelly> I mean your systems aren't. You're a valuable member of society!
• 1012[15:25:40] <jak2000> and in a file c.sh
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• 1014[15:26:09] <jak2000> line1: rm myfile line2: sleep line 3: touch myfile i am right?
• 1015[15:26:11] <greycat> If you are writing a shell script, make sure the script begins with the correct shebang (#!/bin/whatever) header, and has +x and +r permissions.
• 1016[15:26:22] <greycat> sleep requires a numeric argument
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• 1018[15:27:24] <jak2000> ok then
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• 1021[15:27:54] <jak2000> line0: #!/bin/sh line1: rm myfile line2: sleep 5 line 3: touch myfile i am right?
• 1022[15:28:12] <greycat> yes, that is a valid /bin/sh script
• 1023[15:29:45] <jak2000> ok
• 1024[15:29:48] <jak2000> thx
• 1025[15:30:15] <opv> jelly: you know what they say... better to have too much paranoia than not enough
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• 1033[15:39:54] <kalipso> jelly: allright, someone will fill a bugreport i guess.
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• 1045[15:53:50] <Janni> Hello.
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• 1048[15:55:50] <Janni> There was a change in a certain functionality of Thunderbird a few months ago that drives me nuts. It's the file browser for adding attachments, which as it seems allows me only to search my entire file system when typing a file/directory name instead of selecting the appropriate directory in the current CWD.
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• 1051[15:56:20] <Janni> I suspect that it is not a Thunderbird-specific functionality but something that Thunderbird shares with other applications that rely on the same framework...
• 1052[15:56:37] <Janni> Does anybody know which framework that is and how to change that behaviour?
• 1053[15:58:23] <Brigo> Janni, it could be graphical environment related, so gnome, kde, etc.
• 1054[15:58:50] <greycat> my first guess would be gtk, but I really know nothing about Thunderbird
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• 1071[16:11:13] <Epakai> Janni: you can try these settings replaced-url
• 1072[16:11:49] <greycat> I'd be careful with any URL that says gtk2, because it's probably using gtk3 now.
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• 1076[16:13:18] <Epakai> yeah, unfortunately the gtk3 page doesn't have that section, but that first link shows how to use gsettings to set options for gtk3
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• 1078[16:14:04] <Epakai> and they changed the naming scheme, dash separation instead of camel case. good luck
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• 1081[16:16:20] <themill> istr the cwd being in "recently used"
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• 1105[16:42:07] <fred1807> impossible to disable Geary "conversation/thread" grouping of my emails?
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• 1127[16:53:57] <no_gravity> Would you guys install composer from the debian repos or from getcomposer.org?
• 1128[16:58:16] <Brigo> no_gravity, from debian, why not?
• 1129[16:59:08] <FinalX> you'll have to evaluate the pros and cons for yourself.. there's an unending discussion at work here about php from external repos or not as well
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• 1132[16:59:47] <no_gravity> Brigo: How do I check since which debian version it is available?
• 1133[16:59:58] <greycat> ,v composer
• 1134[16:59:59] <judd> Package: composer on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.2-1; buster: 1.7.1-1; sid: 1.7.1-1
• 1135[17:00:22] <no_gravity> greycat: What does that tell me?
• 1136[17:00:29] <FinalX> but there's the same story as always with that: using debian default, you don't have to continously update your code and you get security updates for years without having to worry much. you can also go bleeding-edge from external repos, but then you'll have to make sure you get continuous security updates, as well as have a constant need to update your code (which you should anyway).
• 1137[17:00:40] <FinalX> no_gravity: it tells you the version of the package per debian release
• 1138[17:00:43] <Brigo> no_gravity, the verion of the package in each branch.
• 1139[17:00:57] <no_gravity> FinalX: How do I read it? Which version is in Debian 8?
• 1140[17:01:01] <FinalX> none
• 1141[17:01:02] <greycat> !stretch
• 1142[17:01:02] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
• 1143[17:01:12] <greycat> !jessie
• 1144[17:01:12] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
• 1145[17:01:14] <no_gravity> greycat: So it was introduced in Debian 9?
• 1146[17:01:43] <greycat> I know nothing more than what the bot said about it.
• 1147[17:01:51] <Brigo> no_gravity, it looks like it.
• 1148[17:02:08] <no_gravity> Brigo: Thanks
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• 1153[17:07:35] <Hercules> I was just wondering if its possible to extract debian iso image, and update the stuff the to the latest (like the packages, kernel, etc..) and back then make iso of it?
• 1154[17:08:10] <greycat> I'm sure it's possible, but you might need to ask the debian-installer or debian-cd people how to do it.
• 1155[17:08:25] <Hercules> ah okay
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• 1157[17:08:33] <greycat> !d-i
• 1158[17:08:33] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch is now the "stable" Debian release. See replaced-url
• 1159[17:08:52] <Hercules> nah I was just wondering.
• 1160[17:08:59] <Hercules> I have no plans on doing such.
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• 1171[17:17:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
• 1172[17:18:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> what version of FF should i be running stable? i got backports installed and I got the latest version from there installed for stretch backports and FF is still complaing it not the latest version? is there some reason i shoul dnot upgrade to FF 6161?
• 1173[17:18:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> 61
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• 1176[17:21:46] <MohamedWasAFraud> Hello
• 1177[17:22:14] <jelly> hey there GeekNerd, what's up
• 1178[17:22:42] <MohamedWasAFraud> Today I am going to tell you a story about how our visions of world peace ended up in the crapper.
• 1179[17:22:46] <MohamedWasAFraud> Once upon a time, there was a savage, violent man. His IQ was about 43, and he loved sex with lots of women. His name was Mohamed...
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• 1182[17:23:05] <MohamedWasAFraud> wtf greycat
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• 1187[17:23:57] <dvs> !next
• 1188[17:23:57] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1190[17:24:52] <jelly> greycat: that one is so persistent there's a banlistshared among several channels just for him :-|
• 1191[17:25:08] <greycat> Sadly. I believe you.
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• 1196[17:36:00] <diogenes_> Hey, Happy Birthday Debian! 25th anniversary!
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• 1199[17:39:23] <dvs> ???/
• 1200[17:40:00] <diogenes_> replaced-url
• 1201[17:40:06] <greycat> wooledg:/$ echo ???/
• 1202[17:40:07] <greycat> bin/ dev/ etc/ lib/ mnt/ opt/ run/ srv/ sys/ tmp/ usr/ var/
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• 1204[17:40:29] <petn-randall> :)
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• 1206[17:43:48] <annadane> happy 25th, friends
• 1207[17:43:51] <annadane> here's to many more
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• 1219[17:55:58] <r3> YES! I have to say that debian has revolutionized the way I work and think about OSes. The test lab here is all 100% debian, and super awesome. I've got it on both my desktops, and a laptop. I LOVE DEBIAN! Happy happy anniversary!!
• 1220[17:56:52] <LostSoul> Hi
• 1221[17:57:18] <LostSoul> I was wondering, has anyone here tried to connect PAM with AWS IAM module? So that user that is in group X is allowed to SSH to machine?
• 1222[17:58:36] <greycat> I'm ... wondering what you mean by the word "group", here.
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• 1224[17:59:03] <greycat> If you just mean ordinary unix groups, ssh already has that.
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• 1229[18:00:48] <LostSoul> Nah
• 1230[18:00:50] <LostSoul> AWS groups
• 1231[18:01:03] <greycat> sounds horrifying.
• 1232[18:01:19] <jelly> if there's a NSS module for those, then you don't need PAM
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• 1235[18:01:40] <LostSoul> jelly: NSS you say? I will check that :)
• 1236[18:01:44] <queip> in sudo, how to allow /bin/foo -X v where v can be any user supplied argument?
• 1237[18:01:58] <LostSoul> I mean when user is in AWS group XYZ then once he is trying to SSH to machine XYZ then he is allowed to login
• 1238[18:02:02] <queip> so allow user to call /bin/foo only with argument -X AND with one more arbitrary argument
• 1239[18:02:05] <greycat> why do people feel the need to obfuscate EVERYTHING
• 1240[18:02:10] <LostSoul> As machine has access to IAM and is able to get user public key
• 1241[18:02:30] <LostSoul> I don't find this bad in any way greycat
• 1242[18:02:43] <greycat> queip: an easier way would be to write a wrapper that calls /bin/foo -X "$1" and give them sudo access to that wrapper only
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• 1244[18:03:02] <LostSoul> As it's easier to manage, you add new user to group X and he has access to server X, Y, Z , A ,B in just one click
• 1245[18:03:02] <queip> greycat: mhm, thanks
• 1246[18:03:04] <jelly> second result: replaced-url
• 1247[18:03:27] <LostSoul> Nice jelly, sorry, if it comes to NSS/PAM (you name it) - it's not my strong part
• 1248[18:03:49] <jelly> (from replaced-url
• 1249[18:03:56] <LostSoul> Thanks once again, I will check it - I've focused on PAM and haven't found results that would help me to solve my case and I've heard people were able to achive this
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• 1252[18:04:50] <jelly> LostSoul: nss is a part of the OS (glibc, technically) that maps symbolic names of users, groups and hostnames[1] to numeric uids, gids and adresses
• 1253[18:05:37] <jelly> it's by way of libnss that my linux system knows user "jelly" exists and has an uid of 1000
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• 1255[18:06:06] <LostSoul> I guess it's time for me to increase knowledge in this area
• 1256[18:06:12] <LostSoul> Shame on me, thank you jelly :)
• 1257[18:06:17] <jelly> there are various modules for nss, enabled in /etc/nsswitch.conf
• 1258[18:06:45] <jelly> the default ones read from files like /etc/passwd and /etc/group
• 1259[18:07:36] <jelly> but user and group info and membership can be stored elsewhere, and that requires additional or different modules to be enabled
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• 1262[18:09:38] <jelly> so if you manage to somehow add iam module for group: line in nsswitch.conf, and configure it right, then your system might magically know which iam groups exists and which of your named users belong to a group
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• 1264[18:10:13] <jelly> and use that group in, say, a couple config lines for /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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• 1270[18:16:11] <LostSoul> Ok I will try this
• 1271[18:16:58] <jelly> (see if there are other results that look better maintained)
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• 1287[18:27:32] <mandeep> are there still problems with installing different desktop environments in one install? for instance im on gnome but want to move to mate. previously there would be problems installing mate so i would just clean install with mate
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• 1296[18:38:12] <petn-randall> mandeep: It has always been possible, if you have any issues you can discuss them here in the channel.
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• 1299[18:42:24] <annadane> mandeep, installing shouldn't be an issue in stable, you shouldn't get conflicts or anything like that
• 1300[18:42:46] <annadane> if you do you can paste your issues to paste.debian.net and we can look at them
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• 1307[18:50:07] <annadane> just out of random curiosity, why isn't my dmesg | grep firmware listing the firmware i need for wifi?
• 1308[18:50:18] <annadane> formerly it was firmware-realtek and firmware-atheros
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• 1311[18:52:26] <dutchfish> annadane, i know its added on iniramfs on install, i dont know if that is reported by the kernel on boot, it should be in the preboot
• 1312[18:52:35] <dutchfish> initramfs*
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• 1314[18:54:04] <dutchfish> annadane, maybe give `systemd-analyze plot` a go
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• 1316[18:55:26] <greycat> I always do "grep -i firmware" because someone might spell it Firmware in their code
• 1317[18:55:39] <annadane> yeah even -i returns nothing
• 1318[18:55:46] <annadane> oh well
• 1319[18:56:00] <annadane> not like i really use wifi for anything
• 1320[18:56:05] <petn-randall> or fiRMwaRE
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• 1323[18:58:06] <mandeep> petn-randall: typically when i install a different desktop environment i get weird side effects. like menus turning black when clicked
• 1324[18:58:15] <mandeep> maybe theyve been ironed out
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• 1327[18:58:33] <mandeep> im going to give it a shot, brb
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• 1331[18:59:44] <annadane> side effects is different from "problems installing:
• 1332[18:59:45] <annadane> "
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• 1339[19:03:24] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: quick answer is it isn't looking for or loading any firmware. Not everything does.
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• 1429[20:13:35] <armando> I'm trying to find some information on debian kernel patches for the l1tf security vulnerability replaced-url
• 1430[20:14:08] <greycat> If it has a CVE number, that's easier to find
• 1431[20:14:46] <greycat> I see three CVEs on that page. Pick one?
• 1432[20:15:11] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1433[20:15:24] <greycat> (not patched in Debian yet)
• 1434[20:15:43] <greycat> well, intel-microcode. not really patchable.
• 1435[20:16:27] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1437[20:18:44] <simbalion> Can anyone recommend a gallery of debian and linux art suitable for wallpapers? (1080p or larger)
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• 1444[20:29:42] <armando> I see that helps
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• 1459[20:36:39] <skapata> [Debian Buster] Everytime an application emits sound, the sound has an annoying fade in effect. This is specially annoying when I am studying on Duolingo. I tried to disable PulseAudio to solve it. But it didn't solve it, and worse, the audio works no more only in duolingo.com.
• 1460[20:36:59] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1461[20:36:59] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1467[20:45:05] <unmy> skapata, blind shot but maybe it have something common with "Auto-Mute Mode" in alsamixer OR powersave mode of your sound card?
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• 1483[21:00:56] <akasasori> hi
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• 1492[21:05:58] <meinheld> hi akasasori
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• 1504[21:15:11] <ssarah> hei guys
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• 1506[21:15:42] <ssarah> i cant find a place to download Debian 8
• 1507[21:15:45] <ssarah> can you help?
• 1508[21:15:52] <greycat> !archive
• 1509[21:15:52] <dpkg> methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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• 1515[21:18:58] <ssarah> greycat, yeh but i don't see jessie there replaced-url
• 1516[21:19:19] <greycat> "Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at ..."
• 1517[21:19:22] <ssarah> oh nevermind, it's in your nick
• 1518[21:19:27] <ssarah> *link
• 1519[21:19:28] <ssarah> ty!
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• 1524[21:24:16] <ries> congrats guys! up to a other 25 years
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• 1526[21:25:36] <Tarrasquero> happy day #Debian25years
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• 1557[21:59:42] <TTT> hi, I have a VPN (OpenVPN), and I also want to run I2P in such a way to bypass VPN (Because I2P has privacy enough built-in already). Is it possible to do so, and how?
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• 1559[21:59:57] <TTT> Flag packets coming from some specific process and route differently?
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• 1563[22:04:51] <fuzzbox> Hi. Sorry for the noise but I couldn't help : Happy birthday Debian and thank you ! Cheers !
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• 1565[22:05:57] <TTT> fuzzbox, happy birthday indeed. Channel seems quiet at the moment- I guess everyone is out celebrating :)
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• 1587[22:28:54] <boot1> i installed replaced-url
• 1588[22:29:29] <boot1> so im running 9.5 stretch and i can't find docker-ce
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• 1590[22:29:49] <boot1> the docker guys say it should be there but I only see docker 1.5
• 1591[22:30:09] <greycat> ,info docker
• 1592[22:30:10] <judd> Package docker (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications. Version: 1.5-1+b1; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 41k
• 1593[22:30:13] <bites> boot1: docker-ce is not part of the debian repositories. you will have to add the upstream docker repository.
• 1594[22:30:26] <greycat> The docker pacakage in Debian is NOT the container virtualizing thingy.
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• 1597[22:31:13] <bites> boot1: docker has installation instructions for debian. please refer to those.
• 1598[22:31:55] <greycat> ,info docker.io --release sid
• 1599[22:31:56] <judd> Package docker.io (admin, optional) in sid/amd64: Linux container runtime. Version: 18.03.1+dfsg1-6; Size: 35159.0k; Installed: 154025k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1604[22:34:42] <boot1> greycat, 'docker' in debian repo is NOT docker container manager?
• 1605[22:34:44] <boot1> what is it?
• 1606[22:35:13] <greycat> read what judd said, both times
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• 1608[22:35:16] <boot1> bites, im following the instructions and troubleshooting on #docker but its not matching up
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• 1610[22:35:33] <boot1> docker instructions say docker-ce should be in the repo
• 1611[22:35:39] <greycat> ,info docker-ce
• 1612[22:35:40] <judd> No package named 'docker-ce' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 1613[22:35:45] <bites> boot1: no they don't
• 1614[22:35:46] <greycat> ,v docker-ce
• 1615[22:35:47] <judd> No package named 'docker-ce' was found in amd64.
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• 1617[22:36:05] <bites> boot1: replaced-url
• 1618[22:36:20] <bites> boot1: they tell you to add a third party repository.
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• 1620[22:37:01] <boot1> got it
• 1621[22:37:06] <bites> boot1: which step are you at?
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• 1623[22:38:01] <bites> boot1: did you add the repository and ran apt-get update afterwards?
• 1624[22:38:50] <boot1> removing docker-engine and docker.io
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• 1626[22:39:50] <bites> great. i'm sure you will manage to follow the rest of the instructions as well.
• 1627[22:40:27] <phinxy> I'm looking for the us-altgr-intl keyboard keymap. It is not in the console-data .deb.
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• 1635[22:47:06] <kale> which group would i want to be in if my user should be able to stop start kvm guests?
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• 1638[22:51:01] <boot1> bites, yep, read the manual, got the package, thank you
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• 1648[22:59:16] <bites> no problem ^^
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• 1650[23:00:55] <borsin> Happy Birthday, Debian!
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• 1667[23:14:11] <empty_string> kale: if you're using libvirt, the "libvirt" group
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• 1672[23:18:20] <kale> empty_string: thanks
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• 1702[23:39:23] <boot1> i have the man page for arp but not the application
• 1703[23:39:30] <boot1> and i cant see it in the package manager
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• 1706[23:41:59] <boot1> i found arptables and arp-scan
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• 1719[23:57:31] *** PuppyKun1 is now known as PuppyKun2
• 1720[23:57:49] *** PuppyKun2 is now known as paladox
• 1721[23:58:08] <RoyK> boot1: ip neigh list
• 1722[23:58:12] <RoyK> works as well
• 1723[23:58:31] *** Joins: soul-d (~nonme@replaced-ip)
• 1724[23:58:36] <RoyK> the ip command replaces a lot of the old iptables/route/arp/whatnot commands
• 1725[23:59:13] <RoyK> or just "ip n l"
• 1726[23:59:39] *** Quits: graphene (~graphene@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
• 1727[23:59:51] <RoyK> in ipv6, there's no arp, just neighbor discovery, so the ip command uses that syntax instead, also for ipv4
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