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5 [00:02:50] <esaym153> how do I use irc.debian.org? I've
identified and registered (a couple of years ago) but for the last
few months all I get is "#debian Cannot join channel (Need to
be identified and verified to join this channel, msg NickServ to
learn how to register and verify"
6 [00:03:00] <esaym153> so "identified and verified"?
How do I verify?
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10 [00:04:56] <jelly> esaym153: just identify for a start, and
see if NickServ sees your connection as id'd
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12 [00:05:01] <RoyK> esaym153: register your nick in nickserv
and identify with it
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14 [00:05:15] <esaym153> jelly: I've done that, years ago.
I identify fine
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16 [00:05:29] <RoyK> esaym153: this wasn't required
earlier, but freenode had a rather bad spam attack, so most channels
require it now
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18 [00:05:38] <jelly> esaym153: it has to be done on each
connection
19 [00:06:02] <RoyK> you just register your nick once and then
just "identify" with nickserv later
20 [00:06:13] <RoyK> most irc clients have this built in
21 [00:06:14] <jelly> and the esaym153 on oftc right now is NOT
identified with OFTC NickServ
22 [00:06:15] <esaym153> jelly: connection? I'm not talking
about freenode
23 [00:06:21] <jelly> me neither
24 [00:06:27] <esaym153> hm
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26 [00:07:26] <RoyK> esaym153:
replaced-url
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28 [00:07:29] <jelly> er, not, you seem online now
29 [00:07:37] <jelly> RoyK: they're asking about OFTC, not
freenode
30 [00:07:57] <jelly> they're id'd on freenode else
would not be able to ask in here
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35 [00:09:08] <esaym153> jelly: I see, doing 'nickserv
info' shows verified: no. But yet when I identify, the server
spits back: NickServ(services@replaced-ip )- You are successfully identified as esaym153
36 [00:09:19] <RoyK> jelly: the difference between OFTC and
Freenode is barely noticable
37 [00:09:45] <jelly> RoyK: well, OFTC is all caps acronym and
freenode is all lowercase
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39 [00:10:06] * RoyK looks at jelly
40 [00:10:36] <jelly> esaym153: I have no clue how one verifies.
There's a "/msg NickServ checkverify" command there
fwiw
41 [00:10:46] <jelly> esaym153: ask in #oftc I guess
42 [00:11:14] <jelly> RoyK: also, OFTC has a #debian with no
active jelly
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44 [00:11:34] <jelly> if a jelly is talkative it's probably
not OFTC
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47 [00:13:44] <jelly> esaym153: "/msg NickServ help
register" has clues: -NickServ- To complete the registration,
the nickname must be VERIFIED. To verify your nick, go to
replaced-url
48 [00:14:43] <esaym153> jelly: ah, brilliant
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51 [00:15:07] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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53 [00:16:40] <esaym153> jelly: it worked, sweet lol
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55 [00:17:02] <jelly> !win esaym153
56 [00:17:02] <dpkg> Congratulations, esaym153! You have won a
lifetime supply of spam!
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65 [00:22:13] <sadsagfjg> if i command apt-get install xchat in
root (su) i face this error :
replaced-url
66 [00:22:41] <jelly> sadsagfjg: yeah, use hexchat
67 [00:22:49] <jelly> ,v xchat
68 [00:23:04] <sadsagfjg> why? I cant download?
69 [00:23:27] <sadsagfjg> xchat
70 [00:23:34] <jelly> it's not in Debian 9
71 [00:23:44] <sadsagfjg> :(
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73 [00:23:55] <jelly> hexchat fork is better maintained anyway
74 [00:23:57] <RoyK> ,v irssi
75 [00:24:18] <sadsagfjg> ok, now i download hexchat
76 [00:24:19] <RoyK> I prefer irssi - some like weechat
77 [00:24:37] <jelly> however you can't just copy the
config from xchat as-is if you already have xchat configured to your
liking
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79 [00:24:54] <RoyK> both run in a terminal, which is nice if
you hve screen or tmux session running - just connect when you want
to chat
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81 [00:25:44] <jelly> phew
82 [00:25:53] <jelly> ,v xchat
83 [00:25:54] <judd> Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.8.8-7.1; wheezy-security: 2.8.8-7.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3;
stretch-backports: 2.8.8-15~bpo9+1; buster: 2.8.8-15; sid: 2.8.8-15
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85 [00:25:57] <sadsagfjg> ok, I didnt config my xchat
86 [00:26:21] <jelly> you're better off with hexchat then,
many things were fixed (and some new bugs added)
87 [00:26:45] <sadsagfjg> jelly: ok, Thanks
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91 [00:28:47] <Brigo> sadsagfjg, yes i am using hexchat just now
and still alive :)
92 [00:30:12] <sadsagfjg> Brigo: Nice :)
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94 [00:32:06] <sadsagfjg> How i can choose my real name in irc?
because when a person click in my whois can see my ip :|
95 [00:32:30] <jelly> chainging the "real name"
won't affect visibility of IP addreess
96 [00:33:43] <sadsagfjg> So How i can unvisible this item?
jelly
97 [00:34:05] <jelly> you can ask network staff in #freenode for
an unaffiliated cloak, this puts a symbolic name over your IP
address but any OPs in the channel you're present in can still
figure out the IP if they really want to
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99 [00:34:57] <jelly> #freenode staff can at their own
discretion delay issuing a cloak to really new accounts (like,
created 15 minutes ago)
100 [00:35:36] <jelly> on OFTC (irc.debian.org), you can get a
cloak automatically from the NickServ bot I think
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102 [00:36:53] <jelly> but in general you should not rely on that
for security purposes. If you want to hide your source IP address,
use Tor and connect to freenode's tor hidden service
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111 [00:52:43] <g0zzy> Can grub-install (and os-prober) cope with
probing OSs on both installed hard drives?
112 [00:53:34] <jelly> os-prober is relevant, and yes, as long as
all the drives have correct entries in /boot/grub/device.map
113 [00:54:03] <g0zzy> I'll look thanks
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118 [00:59:55] <g0zzy> Hmm. I hope i haven't done anything
rash. I have a second drive (usually not) at the mo and what
i'd like to do is boot either hard drive from a boot menu in a
permanently inserted nano usb stick
119 [01:00:48] <g0zzy> I've just tried grub-install to that
usb stick with both hard drives in
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170 [02:01:17] <cnnx> I'm having a hard time enabling a
local user access on ftp
171 [02:01:20] <cnnx> using xinetd
172 [02:01:24] <cnnx> is there an easy way?
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174 [02:02:58] <gunni> switch to sftp?
175 [02:03:16] <cnnx> thats the default isnt it
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178 [02:03:21] <cnnx> or is there another sftp package
179 [02:03:26] <cnnx> sftp-server?
180 [02:03:33] <gunni> it just works, it's built into the
ssh daemon
181 [02:03:40] <gunni> as far as i know
182 [02:03:45] <cnnx> yeah but i messed with the ftp xinetd file
183 [02:03:52] <cnnx> whats the default ftp file
184 [02:03:57] <gunni> shouldn't have any effect on sftp
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186 [02:04:13] <cnnx> right now it refuses all connections
187 [02:04:16] <cnnx> sftp domain.tld
188 [02:04:21] <cnnx> i mean ftp
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190 [02:05:11] <gunni> i'm sorry, i know nothing about ftp,
since sftp has completely replaced it for everything i used ftp for
191 [02:05:48] <cnnx> the only reason is cause i'm trying to
publish an app i wrote in visual studio 2017
192 [02:05:51] <cnnx> to my deibna server
193 [02:06:00] <cnnx> and it wont publish it and i suspect its
trying to use anonymous ftp
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196 [02:10:03] <abrotman> cnnx: it's clear text .. you could
run nc -l on port 21 and see what it's trying to do
197 [02:10:12] <abrotman> or look at your logs
198 [02:10:32] <abrotman> what's the "ftp" string
you put into your VS ?
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304 [04:25:15] <rue_bed> on one machine I see netexpect, but its
not there on another machine, is netexpect a current package or did
it get rolled into something else?
305 [04:25:29] <rue_bed> apt search netexpect
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307 [04:25:42] <rue_bed> apt, search netexpect
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309 [04:25:54] <rue_bed> debhelper, search netexpect
310 [04:26:02] <rue_bed> bot help
311 [04:26:14] <rue_bed> abracadabra
312 [04:26:16] <rue_bed> hmm
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427 [05:09:33] <netcrash> jelly, I need samba for the AD part and
connection the windows boxes? I'm failling to find docs on this
that give a full picture
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430 [05:11:42] <netcrash> jelly, I'm talking about sssd , I
would like the database for the auth to be in Ldap
431 [05:12:08] <netcrash> or a more open access storage database
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447 [05:33:48] <Renari> Hm this looks fishy,
replaced-url
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449 [05:33:57] <Renari> The kernel is no longer required?
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464 [06:06:33] <roger21> "PermitRootLogin yes"
465 [06:06:38] <roger21> wut?
466 [06:07:20] <roger21> whasn't that the big thing about
security not to allow root pasword on ssh???
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478 [06:25:09] <grobbulus> Hi guys I have a question. During the
installation when GRUB is being installed theres a message saying
that 'it seems my computer is configured to boot from EFI'
and it asked me if i wanted to install grub in a fallback sector
yadda yadda. I installed fine, but I'm curious to know if I did
something for that to appear, as I had always used MBR, or if that
depends on my hardware (for example I installed with a GPT table
before)
479 [06:26:23] <grobbulus> Also I had not seen that in previous
Debian installs, but it was the first time I used the expert mode
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499 [06:50:42] <grobbulus> I guess my question is: why is my BIOS
configured to boot as EFI? did I do that somehow??
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514 [07:04:08] <diogenes_> grobbulus, bcoz gpt
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525 [07:20:07] <grobbulus> diogenes_ can i fix it ?
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528 [07:22:43] <diogenes_> grobbulus, to re-install and create
mbr partition setup
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532 [07:29:28] <Li> I've a question on how to find which
commands available within an installed package?
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535 [07:39:07] <diogenes_> Li, <package name> --help
536 [07:39:16] <diogenes_> ot man
537 [07:40:31] <Li> thanks diogenes_ but both are not working
e.g. with package name gridsite-clients
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539 [07:40:59] <Li> an gridsite-clients
540 [07:41:00] <Li> No manual entry for gridsite-clients
541 [07:41:11] <Li> gridsite-clients --help
542 [07:41:12] <Li> bash: gridsite-clients: command not found
543 [07:41:38] <diogenes_> then google
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545 [07:43:08] <Li> this is sound like designing and builing a
helicopter without a user manual
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547 [07:43:46] <Li> all effort to code linux and packages yet not
a simple way to figure what inside those package without internet
connection .. awsome
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552 [07:50:19] <trewas> Li: dpkg -L packagename <-- that tells
which files are inside the package, binaries which can be run are
usually in /usr/bin
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554 [07:53:39] <darxmurf> damn, I did not know that
555 [07:53:41] <darxmurf> thanks :-)
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560 [07:59:48] <AciD`> what's with kodi not being in buster?
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571 [08:09:46] <Li> thanks trewas .. that works
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608 [08:44:02] <wrksx_> mornin
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650 [09:28:10] <jelly> dpkg, tell AciD` about why kodi is not in
testing
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653 [09:29:15] <jelly> hm
654 [09:29:30] <jelly> AciD`: that ought to point to
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655 [09:29:54] <AciD`> jelly ⟹ I just used deb-multimedia
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661 [09:34:50] <crackpotmark> !why not dmm
662 [09:34:50] <dpkg> The deb-multimedia.org repository was once
the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of
Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for
Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries
from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from
Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in
Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning>
and <dmm remove>.
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667 [09:38:48] <jelly> AciD`: it you're using testing,
it's probably a more sane idea to do
668 [09:38:50] <jelly> !tum
669 [09:38:50] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
670 [09:39:21] <themill> assuming kodi is working at all
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672 [09:42:02] <jelly> that too
673 [09:43:00] <AciD`> well, it cannot connect to my other
servers via ssh, so, that's that.
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685 [09:53:14] <rdz> how can i find out what has changed in most
recent kernel?
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688 [09:53:37] <rdz> why is releasing a new kernel in such a
short time? is there some security issue?
689 [09:54:03] <babilen> There have been security issues, yes
690 [09:54:20] <babilen>
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694 [09:54:57] <crackpotmark> That's reminds me, is there a
way to have apt-get automatically show me changelogs for the updates
packages during an upgrade?
695 [09:55:15] <crackpotmark> I seem to remember kali doing that
696 [09:55:29] <rdz> babilen
697 [09:55:35] <rdz> thanks
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699 [09:57:01] <jelly> crackpotmark: install apt-listchanges
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701 [09:57:54] <crackpotmark> Thanks
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708 [10:05:32] <themill> and configure it to show changelogs not
just NEWS items
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788 [11:10:15] <dn> Are there any general logical reason to only
allow loopback traffic to/from TCP and not UDP? I have a box that
was configured by someone who's no longer around and I
can't figure out why he only allowed TCP.
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906 [12:52:59] <Kelsar> usually you allow evertyhing on lo
907 [12:53:17] <Kelsar> on the other side, i guess udp is not
often used on lo anyways
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933 [13:14:09] <bellbreaker> I'm trying to install debian
using software RAID 1 and the installer fails when trying to run
grub-install with the message "grub-install dummy failed".
I partioned my 2 drives to both have a 1 MB empty section at the
start and used the rest of the drives for a raid 1 device which I
further partioned using the guided partioning from partman. This
creates a boot partition, / partition and swap. If I
934 [13:14:15] <bellbreaker> enter the shell from the installer
and chroot into /target, grub-install complains that it cannot find
drives md0,1
935 [13:14:29] <bellbreaker> The installation manual indicates
that installing on software raid 1 should be automatically possible
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937 [13:15:30] <bellbreaker> Does anyone know how I can do this
properly?
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942 [13:20:08] <jelly> bellbreaker: the conservative approach is:
partition the drives identically; make a separate md raid1 device
for each partition; put each filesystem and swap space onto each
separate md device
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944 [13:21:05] <jelly> and if you use md metadata format 0.9 for
array that /boot will be present on, you will have a better choice
of boot loader (if thesystem uses BIOS booting, you can even use
lilo)
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947 [13:23:35] <bellbreaker> Thank you I will try that
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961 [13:34:16] <bellbreaker> jelly: I configured both drives to
have an EFI system partition, root partition and swap space, created
raid devices for each of those partitions and attempted to install
again. No dice, same error message
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965 [13:34:50] <bellbreaker> I will try to create a separate
/boot partition now
966 [13:34:52] <jelly> I have no idea what the best way to do
things is if you're booting UEFI and have GPT
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979 [13:43:20] <eschmidbauer> hi
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981 [13:43:47] <eschmidbauer> so htop is showing 1.37G of ram
being used, but i have a mem tool that shows processes are only
using a total of 622M
982 [13:43:56] <eschmidbauer> how the freak is that possible?
983 [13:44:15] <eschmidbauer> using ps_mem (pip install ps-mem)
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986 [13:44:41] <eschmidbauer> it's almost as if some mem
leak inside debian??
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989 [13:47:45] <ksk> eschmidbauer: ram is not just
"used", there are different stages so to say.
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991 [13:48:17] <ksk> if you want a look at "how is my
ram" so to say Id recommend the 'free -m' command
992 [13:48:27] <ksk> !tell eschmidbauer about linux ate my ram
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994 [13:48:33] <ksk> also take a look at what the bot wrote you
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996 [13:49:02] <eschmidbauer> i didn't get anything from the
bot
997 [13:49:26] <ksk> !tell eschmidbauer about free ram
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999 [13:49:55] <eschmidbauer> but that is what is confusing me...
if linux is caching stuff i have no idea what
1000 [13:50:19] <eschmidbauer> and that' seems like a huge
about of cache
1001 [13:50:55] <darxmurf>
replaced-url
1002 [13:50:56] <darxmurf> :D
1003 [13:51:04] <ksk> yeah, that one! read it please :)
1004 [13:51:41] <ksk> linux does cache everything it reads from
disk to start with - and will only drop these caches if any program
actually needs the ram (simplified)
1005 [13:51:54] <eschmidbauer> alrighty...i'll just go with
that... although, we've got 7 other nodes almost identical to
this system and they aren't using that much ram
1006 [13:52:03] <eschmidbauer> got it
1007 [13:52:14] <eschmidbauer> i'll keep an eye on only the
process ram then
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1010 [13:52:50] <eschmidbauer> is there anyway to see how much ram
is being used by linux for caching?
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1012 [13:53:29] <ksk> the cache line of 'free' output.
1013 [13:54:51] <eschmidbauer> total used free shared buff/cache
available
1014 [13:54:51] <eschmidbauer> Mem: 7986 1443 4940 267 1602 5989
1015 [13:55:02] <ksk> just because a system is using ram there is
nothing wrong with it. in fact it is doing well. Maybe this node was
the only one actually serving any load and thus read something from
disk?
1016 [13:55:05] <eschmidbauer> so the cache is using 1.6 G ??
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1019 [13:55:22] <ksk> if thats a "free -m" output, then
yes.
1020 [13:55:27] <eschmidbauer> it is
1021 [13:55:33] <eschmidbauer> the only thing diff about this node
is, we recently restarted a process
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1023 [13:56:11] <ksk> there is nothing wrong with it. Im gonna
stop repeating myself now.
1024 [13:56:21] <eschmidbauer> this node has far less volume than
others ... and ok, i understand.
1025 [13:56:29] <eschmidbauer> thanks for the info
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1028 [13:57:36] <eschmidbauer> it's making our metric chart
look like something is wrong :)
1029 [13:57:52] <eschmidbauer> but maybe it's the only one
actually working the way it should
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1038 [14:08:22] <anoob> I have a JBL Xtreme Bluetooth speaker and
it's not working with my Debian Testing installation. I
can't find it when I do the pairing. It does works with Windows
10 (same laptop) and my Android phone: pqn.pw/360
1039 [14:08:42] <anoob>
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1040 [14:09:28] <bgardner> Hey all, I have a simple router running
Debian 9.5 that started getting bloated logs. I investigated and
I'm seeing a repeating block of messages in kern.log that look
to me like the root USB hub being disconnected/reconnected every 5
minutes or so.
1041 [14:09:32] <bgardner>
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1042 [14:10:26] <bgardner> This is literally a router only. Any
thoughts?
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1046 [14:11:21] <jelly> bgardner: get rid of that usb hub?
1047 [14:11:50] <bgardner> jelly: There isn't one - it seems
to be referring to the onboard USB hardware.
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1049 [14:14:49] <bgardner> To be clear: this is a headless router
and has nothing at all plugged into it but power and networking
cords.
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1051 [14:16:30] <ksk> bgardner: is there a remote managment card
present? they do things
1052 [14:16:50] <ksk> like, registering a keyboard and sometimes
storage devices for your mounted via browser iso
1053 [14:17:12] <ksk> if its like flooding the logs something
might be broken.
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1055 [14:17:23] <ksk> did you look up vendor ID and that driver
already?
1056 [14:18:59] <bgardner> ksk: No remote management card,
it's role is router but it's an off-the-shelf consumer
grade PC. No enterprise stuff in it. Here's 'lsusb'
output:
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1060 [14:20:56] <jelly> bgardner: if it's a PC, ypou can
disable USB in BIOS
1061 [14:21:34] <bgardner> And I'm a liar, sorry - there is
one USB device plugged into it; it has a GPS module for providing
stratum 1 time to NTP.
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1064 [14:22:41] <bgardner> jelly: Hmm. Not sure how I would do
that. Since it only has USB, I'd need to connect up a USB
keyboard and then wouldn't I be "locking the key in the
safe"?
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1067 [14:22:54] <bgardner> No PS2 or other keyboard options.
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1069 [14:23:42] <bgardner> Let me go unplug that GPS just to rule
it out, back in a minute.
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1071 [14:25:47] <bgardner> That's done, let me monitor for a
few minutes and I'll report back.
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1087 [14:48:01] <petn-randall> Hi, for some reason thunderbird is
not showing any replied mails as "replied" (if I open the
mail status), and also the column is missing that should show the
replied/forwarded status. Does anyone know how to get that back?
1088 [14:49:00] <petn-randall> I noticed that k9mail from Android
still correctly marks the mail as "replied". It's
just Thunderbird from stable that doesn't.
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1090 [14:50:29] <jelly> pop3 or imap?
1091 [14:51:07] <petn-randall> IMAP.
1092 [14:52:14] <petn-randall> I know see it's not a separate
column, it's just always shown left of the subject line. So at
least I don't have to look for a missing column. But the
problem that thunderbird does not flag the mail as replied still
persists.
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1094 [14:52:49] <petn-randall> jelly: Are you using TB? Maybe you
can check if you also have the issue.
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1096 [14:54:14] <jelly> I don't use it, just have it
installed
1097 [14:54:39] <petn-randall> Any other Thunderbird users around
by chance?
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1102 [15:00:39] <colo-work> petn-randall, works for me, across
User Agents
1103 [15:00:46] <colo-work> (roundcube, thunderbird)
1104 [15:00:51] <colo-work> (dovecot is the imapd)
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1106 [15:01:45] <petn-randall> colo-work: Same here: dovecot +
thunderbird from stable.
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1109 [15:02:50] <colo-work> petn-randall, dovecot is from
oldstable here though
1110 [15:03:00] <petn-randall> It might be something broken on my
side
1111 [15:03:12] <petn-randall> also oldstable dovecot here ;)
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1118 [15:08:33] <phizzy_> Why is GNOME being as slow as a snail, I
have a 8thread i7 for this stuff. I am using an using latest version
in Gentoo and have SMP and PREEMPT 1000HZ enabled! :P
1119 [15:08:42] <greycat> graphics drivers/firmware?
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1122 [15:10:52] <colo-work> maybe you forgot -fomg-optimize in
make.conf/CFLAGS?
1123 [15:11:00] <colo-work> (this is the Debian channel, btw)
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1127 [15:14:28] <Mr-Potter> Hello do you have your own ric
servers?
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1130 [15:15:44] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: There's not much
benefit from running your own IRC server.
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1132 [15:15:59] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: You always need to
administer stuff like that, which is a PITA if done right.
1133 [15:16:04] <Mr-Potter> true
1134 [15:16:17] <Mr-Potter> petn-randall: I mean do debian have
their own irc servers?
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1137 [15:16:27] <greycat> No. They use OFTC and Freenode.
1138 [15:16:34] <petn-randall> Mr-Potter: No, irc.debian.org just
forwards to OFTC.
1139 [15:16:40] <bgardner> Hey all; follow-up on my bus
resetting/log file bloat thing from earlier - removing the GPS
module seems to have fixed it, thanks for the help
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1141 [15:16:54] <Mr-Potter> what is oftc?
1142 [15:17:06] <greycat> !oftc
1143 [15:17:07] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network.
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1145 [15:17:22] <greycat> All of the Debian channels except this
one and #debian-offtopic are on the OFTC network.
1146 [15:17:35] <greycat> (and maybe some non-English general
ones)
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1166 [15:31:22] <tw> is there an option for ss that does something
like netstat -g?
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1171 [15:32:26] <tw> (which shows multicast group memberships)
1172 [15:32:30] <colo-work> tw, "Replacement for netstat -g
is ip maddr."
1173 [15:32:43] <tw> perfect, thanks
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1217 [16:12:22] <memo1> hi friends, the best way to share files
with other machines (linux or windows) is nfs or samba?
1218 [16:12:59] <greycat> If there are windows clients,
*definitely* samba. If there are linux clients, then you can also
use NFS.
1219 [16:13:10] <FinalX> windows also supports nfs btw
1220 [16:13:13] <greycat> They are not mutually exclusive. Use
both.
1221 [16:13:20] <greycat> FinalX: *hahaha*
1222 [16:13:24] <greycat> On paper, maybe.
1223 [16:13:36] <FinalX> not saying it works properly, just saying
that officially they support it :)
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1228 [16:16:08] <ardualabs> Yeah, it's probably easier to get
Linux doing Samba than windows doing NFS.
1229 [16:16:38] <ardualabs> Or, sftp if you're feeling up to
it and it's a one shot deal.
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1232 [16:16:54] <ardualabs> (windows as client, in that case)
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1234 [16:18:47] <mvaenskae> if you don't need
'special' features of nfs (e.g. network booting) then
samba should allow for more possible clients i would think and also
be more performant (that is what my research showed around a year
ago)
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1239 [16:19:44] <jhutchins_wk> mvaenskae: All of the large scale
*nix environments I know of use NFS rather than samba. I think your
research may be off by a few decimal places.
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1241 [16:20:26] <ardualabs> In a purely *nix environment, sure.
1242 [16:21:08] <greycat> Yes, you definitely use NFS to share
with other linux/unix clients, but Samba for windows clients.
1243 [16:21:13] <mvaenskae> jhutchins_wk: in terms of performance
it still did miles better than what nfs offered for throughput
1244 [16:21:57] <ardualabs> I'm guessing this all isn't
really Debian specific tho.
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1252 [16:25:02] <jhutchins_wk> ardualabs: Certainly in a mixed
environment we'd run samba where required. I don't know of
anybody using NFS on Windows, samba's just too easy.
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1255 [16:26:04] <jhutchins_wk> mvaenskae: I'm going to
venture that you may have had configuration issues with your NFS
then.
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1257 [16:26:21] <FinalX> one does not exclude the other, either
1258 [16:26:22] <jhutchins_wk> Then again, I've worked in
environments where the overhead from LVM was enough to take down a
system.
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1272 [16:33:30] <memo1> ardualabs: jhutchins_wk thank you.
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1275 [16:36:55] <greenit> hi, i have an optimus-setup and
installed/configured bumblebee. I track unstable, so not sure if
that's the right channel here. I've updated my system
yesterday after about 6 months and now bumblebee isn't working
correctly. for example if i run "optirun glxgears -info"
it opens the window, but there's only a black screen until i
resize it. with every fullscreen-application it stays black but i
see the cursor... do you have any tips where I
1276 [16:36:55] <greenit> should start looking for the problem?
1277 [16:37:15] <greycat> !debian-next
1278 [16:37:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1280 [16:37:26] <greenit> oh... i've overread the debian-next
in the channel-info, sorry :S
1281 [16:37:29] <takitez> hi, just a question about debian stable.
stable means usually there will be no (major) version-updates of a
package in the stable-tree of the repo. but if theres upstream a
security patch which cannot be applied to an older version, will
there be an exception and a package in a newer version will be
released (if it won't break any dependencies)?
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1283 [16:38:05] <greycat> Depends on the package. Sometimes, yes,
a stable security update gets a version bump and breaks old configs.
Samba *cough*.
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1285 [16:38:17] <greycat> *cough* bind9
1286 [16:38:48] <greycat> They do try to keep that to an absolute
minimum, though.
1287 [16:39:00] <takitez> greycat: do you have by chance any
example of those package-versions for me, when that happened?
1288 [16:39:03] <ychaouche> hello #debian. Is apache2 a
requirement to install php7.0 even if I intend to use it with nginx
?
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1289 [16:39:31] <greycat> !jessie samba
1290 [16:39:31] <dpkg> A security update in jessie upgrades Samba
to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
1291 [16:39:32] <FinalX> it's not, but you should be
installing php7.0-fpm instead of just php7.0
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1293 [16:39:50] <takitez> greycat: thank you sir
1294 [16:39:57] <FinalX> ychaouche: ^
1295 [16:40:08] <greycat> Agreed, for nginx you use php-fpm.
1296 [16:40:12] <ychaouche> FinalX, thanks for the tip
1297 [16:40:17] <ychaouche> appreciated.
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1381 [17:35:30] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
1382 [17:35:31] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch:
52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-3
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1436 [18:12:20] <Scriptonaut> anyone know how I can list my
private ssh key from the command line? I'm working on a server,
and I forwarded my ssh keys using ssh-agent and ssh-add. I can list
my public key with: ssh-add -L. However I am writing some code that
needs the private key as well to make the keypair. Anyone know of a
command that will print/show/echo my id_rsa file?
1437 [18:13:52] <jelly> Scriptonaut: you can't see private
keys from the remote forwarded agent.
1438 [18:14:00] <jelly> that would defeat the purpose
1439 [18:14:23] <jelly> you can use them, not see the actual key
1440 [18:14:58] <jelly> at least that's my understanding
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1452 [18:20:29] <Janni> Hi there. I want to write a little script
execute some command with some environment variables supplied to it.
I'm trying things like: exec env MYVAR=x $@.
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1454 [18:20:55] <Janni> I then want to call for instance: ./myenv
'echo $MYVAR'
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1458 [18:21:03] <Janni> That should print x.
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1463 [18:22:36] <Janni> Changed my mind. I'm fine with: env
MYVAR=x bash
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1465 [18:22:51] <Janni> Then I can enter my commands in the
subshell.
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1468 [18:23:50] <jelly> Janni: if you have a script why use a
subshell at all. Just export MYVAR=x and continue in the same shell
1469 [18:24:06] <Shadow_7> Hmmm... #debian-next is invite now?
1470 [18:24:13] <jelly> !debian-next
1471 [18:24:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1474 [18:24:24] <jelly> different network, Shadow_7
1475 [18:25:30] <Shadow_7> arg... just trying to figure out the
h.264 stuff for firefox. I did a fresh install and now it
doesn't work. Changing the use.black-decoder to true makes it
fake work. About the only thing that seems to make a dent.
1476 [18:26:31] <Shadow_7> It works fine on the OLD install, same
debian testing.
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1478 [18:27:12] <Shadow_7> stupid amdgpu drivers make stable
unusable for me (and still be able to game)
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1481 [18:28:15] <Shadow_7> oddly it'll play the toystory
h.264 video, just not register for other sites or show up on
youtube.com/html5
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1487 [18:29:44] <Scriptonaut> jelly: ah ok
1488 [18:30:11] <Scriptonaut> darn, I'm not sure how to
programmatically verify my key without the actual private key
1489 [18:31:26] <arka500> how do you set a local domain to your
computer?
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1492 [18:31:46] <Scriptonaut> arka500: /etc/hosts
1493 [18:32:02] <arka500> yep but what do one have to add there?
1494 [18:32:25] <Scriptonaut> ip_address domain_name
1495 [18:32:41] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: That's not how
you set the domain.
1496 [18:32:43] <Scriptonaut> I mean that'll only be on taht
compuater though
1497 [18:32:59] <Scriptonaut> petn-randall: what exactly is he
wanting to do?
1498 [18:33:05] <petn-randall> arka500: 'man
resolv.conf'
1499 [18:33:10] <arka500> I mean in local network
1500 [18:33:20] <Scriptonaut> ah, ya you'll need to make a
change in your local dns
1501 [18:33:24] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: To set the domain for
the local system.
1502 [18:33:27] <arka500>
replaced-url
1503 [18:33:36] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: Stop giving advice if
you don't understand the issue.
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1505 [18:33:47] <Scriptonaut> petn-randall: I do understand
1506 [18:33:57] <Scriptonaut> at first I thought he was just
talking about hostnames
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1508 [18:35:12] <petn-randall> arka500: Maybe one step back. What
do you want to do then?
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1511 [18:35:53] <arka500> basically I have a web server running in
a computer
1512 [18:36:06] <arka500> and I would like to access it with a
domain name
1513 [18:36:37] <arka500> also maybe I should also set up a static
ip as it keeps changing
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1515 [18:36:59] <arka500> all of this is a local network
1516 [18:37:10] <petn-randall> arka500: In that case Scriptonaut
was correct with setting it in /etc/hosts. You can map arbitrary
domain names to IP addresses there.
1517 [18:37:41] <petn-randall> arka500: That domain will only work
on that machine, though. Is that what you want?
1518 [18:37:52] <arka500> petn-randall no
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1520 [18:38:04] <arka500> I mean in local network, from other
devices as well
1521 [18:38:37] <arka500> its a server, I would like to connect to
it via an easier domain name instead of its local ip every time
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1525 [18:39:34] <petn-randall> arka500: That's something you
configure on your DNS.
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1527 [18:39:47] <arka500> currently I am connecting to it via
192.168* IPs
1528 [18:40:27] <arka500> so do I have to set a static IP first
then?
1529 [18:40:37] <arka500> as it keeps changing
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1533 [18:44:23] <petn-randall> arka500: That first, yes. Then you
set a DNS entry.
1534 [18:44:53] <arka500> petn-randall do I have to set that in my
router?
1535 [18:45:30] <greycat> if your router is also your DHCP server,
yes
1536 [18:45:40] <arka500> sorry, I am new :(
1537 [18:46:57] <arka500> how to set a static local IP then?
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1539 [18:47:22] <petn-randall> arka500: That won't get you
far. You need to set it in your router.
1540 [18:48:11] <greycat> If your home network is all configured
from one router, with no separate servers, then the router is very
likely also your DHCP server. So that's where you would do
everything.
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1544 [18:51:23] <arka500> so it is not possible to set a
system's local ip to lets say 192.168.1.150 or something from
itself?
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1548 [18:51:55] <greycat> Yes, you can do that. But if the router
is ALSO configured to assign addresses in that range, then you could
end up with two systems both having that IP, which would make them
not work.
1549 [18:52:06] <petn-randall> arka500: Sure. But then your
network would stop working if you connect it to another network.
1550 [18:52:20] <petn-randall> *the networking on your computer
1551 [18:52:26] <arka500> greycat the router is not really using
that IP
1552 [18:52:30] <greycat> So, either you have to restrict the
range of addresses that the router/DHCP server is giving out, and
then manually assign addresses outside of its range; or configure
the DHCP server to hand out this address to this MAC.
1553 [18:52:41] <arka500> and I doubt it will ever have enough
users to actually use that one
1554 [18:52:52] <petn-randall> arka500: What is stopping you from
configuring it on your router? We already gave you good reasons to
do it that way.
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1556 [18:53:35] <arka500> basically so that the computer can be
portable and I can bring it in any network and it will have the same
static IP
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1558 [18:54:00] <greycat> Then it will fail on all the other
networks that don't use your same network addressing.
1559 [18:54:05] <petn-randall> this ^
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1561 [18:54:19] <arka500> hmm ok
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1564 [18:54:44] <petn-randall> And it would also not work on other
networks because it will be a different DNS server.
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1567 [18:56:24] <arka500> Thanks, I will try to do it from the
router.
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1601 [19:17:37] <Shadow_7> turns out I just needed libavcodec57
installed (libavcodec58 is current)
1602 [19:17:49] <greycat> ,v libavcodec57
1603 [19:17:50] <judd> Package: libavcodec57 on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch:
7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; buster:
7:3.4.3-1; sid: 7:3.4.3-1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.7-dmo1+deb9u1
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1613 [19:29:15] <BoBeR182> .v mlmmj
1614 [19:29:19] <BoBeR182> .bugs mlmmj
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1617 [19:29:37] <annadane> it's ,v first of all, second, you
should /msg judd so as not to spam the channel
1618 [19:29:38] <greycat> judd's key character is comma, not
period
1619 [19:29:48] <annadane> also for bugs, there's nothing for
that, you need to check the BTS
1620 [19:29:51] <BoBeR182> oh my bad
1621 [19:30:00] <BoBeR182> ,v mlmmj
1622 [19:30:01] <judd> Package: mlmmj on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.18.0-2; jessie: 1.2.18.1-1+b1; stretch: 1.2.19.0-1; sid: 1.3.0-2
1623 [19:30:10] <BoBeR182> I knew it wasn't in buster
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1625 [19:30:19] <greycat> !why isn't mlmmj in testing
1626 [19:30:19] <dpkg> mlmmj is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
replaced-url
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1633 [19:32:37] <BoBeR182> wow that's a good bot
1634 [19:33:04] <greycat> !literal cmd: why isn't (.*?) in
testing
1635 [19:33:04] <dpkg> "cmd: why isn't (.*?) in
testing" is "($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
replaced-url
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1637 [19:33:19] <BoBeR182>
replaced-url
1638 [19:33:20] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1639 [19:33:26] <BoBeR182> seems their is no maintainer email
1640 [19:33:31] <BoBeR182> but no one responded to the warning
1641 [19:33:43] <BoBeR182> so I don't even know how to fix
this bug if I wanted to
1642 [19:33:48] <BoBeR182> how does one become a maintainer
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1644 [19:33:52] <greycat> makes you wonder whether it's being
maintained at all
1645 [19:33:59] <BoBeR182> or atleast update the maintainer email
to the new mailing list
1646 [19:34:10] <BoBeR182> theirs a new release in sid
1647 [19:34:39] <greycat> Well, if it has a maintainer, surely a
"severity: serious" bug should be on their radar.
1648 [19:34:58] <annadane> that's kinda another reason to use
stable, you know the packages there should all be maintained and
ditched if they're not
1649 [19:35:05] <annadane> testing/sid, anyone can just upload
stuff
1650 [19:35:19] <annadane> well "anyone"
1651 [19:35:21] <greycat> Not... exactly.
1652 [19:35:29] <BoBeR182> the catch is that the bug is there is
no maintainer email
1653 [19:35:34] <BoBeR182> since the mailing list went down
1654 [19:35:36] <greycat> Sid, any debian developer can upload
stuff, but testing has a bot curator.
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1657 [19:35:45] <annadane> right, sorry
1658 [19:35:59] <BoBeR182> Could someone like me update the
maintainer email to the new mailing list
1659 [19:36:05] <BoBeR182> and then package the new release
1660 [19:36:05] <greycat> *sigh*
1661 [19:36:08] <BoBeR182> to get it into buster?
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1663 [19:36:20] <greycat> Why do you believe that there *IS* one?
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1665 [19:37:13] <greycat> If there is a new mailing list for this
project, what you can do as a user is to respond to the existing bug
report with the information about the new mailing list.
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1667 [19:37:26] <greycat> Politeness is advised.
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1669 [19:37:31] <BoBeR182> ah okay
1670 [19:37:33] <annadane> also disingenuous to imply things can
be uploaded to testing
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1673 [19:37:59] <BoBeR182>
replaced-url
1674 [19:38:18] <greycat> A *debian* mailing list, since it's
the *debian* maintainer (list) that has vanished.
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1676 [19:38:31] <BoBeR182> oh
1677 [19:38:37] <BoBeR182> there is no new one
1678 [19:38:46] <BoBeR182> wait
1679 [19:38:56] <BoBeR182> we can have lists as a debian
maintainer
1680 [19:39:08] <greycat> Most of the large packages are done that
way.
1681 [19:39:18] <BoBeR182> doesn't that create this silly
catch22 of no one taking ownership
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1683 [19:39:39] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -s xserver-xorg | grep
Maint
1684 [19:39:39] <greycat> Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force
<debian-x@lists.debian.org>
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1689 [19:40:27] <greycat> Almost all of the day-to-day business of
Debian is built on mailing lists.
1690 [19:40:30] <jelly> BoBeR182: honestly, try asking in
#debian-bugs or #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net
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1692 [19:40:36] <jelly> alioth is dead
1693 [19:40:46] <jelly> even I know that much
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1695 [19:40:56] <BoBeR182> ah, thank you
1696 [19:41:01] <BoBeR182> I'll join OFTC
1697 [19:41:08] <BoBeR182> they still support tor connection
correct?
1698 [19:41:29] <jelly> yeah, but many channels block those
connections, hope you have a nickserv user
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1723 [19:50:56] <jelly> BoBeR182: [...] <wRAR> "Note,
as mails to the maintainer address will not get through, this
bugreport is Cc'ed (X-Debbugs-CC:) to all uploaders of the
package."
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1790 [20:51:11] <ksk> can I utilize this package bot for my
personal use? whats its name again?
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1792 [20:51:22] <greycat> !udd
1793 [20:51:22] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an
effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a
variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL
database.
replaced-url
1794 [20:51:27] <ksk> ,version screen
1795 [20:51:28] <judd> Package: screen on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security:
4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7+deb7u1; jessie: 4.2.1-3+deb8u1;
jessie-security: 4.2.1-3+deb8u1; stretch: 4.5.0-6; buster: 4.6.2-3;
sid: 4.6.2-3
1796 [20:51:39] <greycat> judd is one of the interfaces to the UDD
1797 [20:51:55] <ksk> I can query judd, thanks.
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1799 [20:52:21] <ksk> and lol, udd sounds interesting.
1800 [20:52:45] <ksk> does it have the manpages of every package
in it?
1801 [20:53:12] <greycat> there's
replaced-url
1802 [20:53:20] <jelly> it has no manpages at all
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1804 [20:53:51] <ksk> thanks again, did not know that service
either.
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1810 [20:59:58] <jhutchins_wk> You can find manpages on the web
pretty easily, the problem is syncing the version of the manpage
with the version of the package on your system.
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1813 [21:00:26] <greycat> you can type "man"
1814 [21:01:01] <ksk> only if you installed the corresponding
package, but I found on manpages.debian.org:
1815 [21:01:10] <ksk> "In the debian-goodies package, since
version 0.70 (buster and later), there is a dman command which
fetches pages from this site dynamically"
1816 [21:01:31] <ksk> I will check that one out.
1817 [21:01:41] <greycat> ... so you actually meant "the
version of the package that is NOT on your system"?
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1821 [21:02:20] <jelly> that dman command looks like a typo
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1823 [21:04:57] <jelly> ovaj OCSP je vise stete nego koristi
1824 [21:04:58] <ksk> I did not really state anything, it was more
like an evolution. Id prefer reading manpages on the commandline,
instead of having to google.
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1826 [21:05:04] <jelly> whoops, ECHAN
1827 [21:05:32] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Actually, I was thinking
about systems where the manpages don't get installed. I've
worked on servers where that was the policy.
1828 [21:05:43] <greycat> well, you talked about reading the man
page for "the version of the package on your system", and
you can use man for that.
1829 [21:05:54] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: fix them. Jesus.
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1831 [21:06:01] <greycat> what kind of an idiot did that
1832 [21:06:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Somebody who believes in
security through obscurity, and is cheap about disk space.
1833 [21:06:24] <jelly> a politician
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1835 [21:06:57] <greycat> By the time they get to the shell, the
lack of a man page is not going to slow them down.
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1837 [21:07:21] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, I didn't mean to imply
that it it was a reasonable situation, but it happens.
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1842 [21:09:52] <Nokaji> security through obscurantism is one of
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1859 [21:23:14] <JordiGH> How do I unstick it?
1860 [21:24:11] <greycat> if you just mean the appearance, try
moving it into a different window, or out of a window to the empty
root window
1861 [21:24:33] <JordiGH> It looks like this in all windows.
1862 [21:24:50] <JordiGH> I'm not sure I can get to the root
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