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2 [00:01:33] <rgwu> Why would you want a gui vim?
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10 [00:09:12] <BuzzardBuzz> That is what many want a GUI for
anything rgwu
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12 [00:09:55] <BuzzardBuzz> But we dont need it
13 [00:10:21] <BuzzardBuzz> that is just a desire
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16 [00:12:36] <rgwu> The gui is xterm. What in vim needs a gui?
That's literally defeating the point of vim.
17 [00:14:07] <avu> not if the point of vim is just "be a
good editor", then using it rendered in a terminal emulator or
with gtk is just personal preference
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19 [00:15:19] <mason> Oh, hrm, I thought vim (the bare package)
did X. Go figure. Sorry for the misinformation.
20 [00:15:32] <mason> (I always install -nox.)
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24 [00:19:56] <annadane> vim has gvim which is a vim GUI
25 [00:20:00] <annadane> but it seems kind of silly
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29 [00:21:50] <rgwu> avu: I disagree. The point of vim is home
row. A mouse defeats that.
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31 [00:23:14] <avu> rgwu: that has nothing to do with terminal
vs gtk though, the mouse works just fine in non-gtk vim, it's
even enabled by default on Debian
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35 [00:26:45] <lenswipe> hey folks
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37 [00:26:50] <lenswipe> got something really odd going on
38 [00:26:58] <lenswipe> i have a 100GB /home partition
39 [00:27:05] <lenswipe> I'm trying to copy around 50 gigs
of files on to it
40 [00:27:17] <lenswipe> it gets toward the end and then stops
because the partition is apparently full
41 [00:27:23] <lenswipe> the last time i checked 50 is less than
100
42 [00:27:29] <lenswipe> anyone know what's going on?
43 [00:27:37] <sney> inodes?
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45 [00:28:05] <sney> check with df -i
46 [00:28:37] <avu> also check normal df -h, just because the
partition has 100GB doesn't mean that 50GB are actually free ;p
47 [00:28:55] <sney> indeed
48 [00:29:13] <lenswipe> sney, sorry, not really following
49 [00:29:20] <lenswipe> where should i run df -i ?
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52 [00:29:25] <lenswipe> and where should i run df -h?
53 [00:29:34] <avu> the CWD is not important
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55 [00:29:38] <sney> df just shows how much space is free on
your mounted filesystems
56 [00:29:41] <lenswipe> ok
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58 [00:30:09] <sney> every file on a linux filesystem uses an
inode, and if you run out of inodes it will say the device is full
even if there are still blocks available
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60 [00:30:45] <sney> it's not super common but it can
happen if you have a lot of really small files.
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64 [00:32:18] <lenswipe> sney,
replaced-url
65 [00:32:48] <avu> lenswipe: well, 48G are less than 50G
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67 [00:33:04] <lenswipe> avu, yeah, sorry i had some node.js
stuff in there from the last copy
68 [00:33:07] <lenswipe> lemme clear that out and show you
69 [00:33:17] <avu> lenswipe: then there's still df -i to
look at
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71 [00:33:32] <lenswipe> one sec
72 [00:34:09] <lenswipe> oh ffs. im an idiot
73 [00:34:12] <lenswipe> i just realized
74 [00:34:26] <lenswipe> /facepalm
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76 [00:34:42] <lenswipe> i copied a copy of the backup to /home
earlier
77 [00:35:26] <lenswipe> avu,
replaced-url
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81 [00:35:54] <avu> lenswipe: yes, that looks more like a
partition ready to receive your 50G :)
82 [00:35:58] <lenswipe> :)
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84 [00:36:15] <lenswipe> ive been pulling my hair out trying to
figure out why the hell 50 was suddenly more than 100
85 [00:36:46] <lenswipe> technically, 54 according to df but
yeah
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111 [00:59:32] <hussar> why the hell do ppl still use bitmap
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172 [02:08:20] <dD__> GNU\colossus: sorry, message didn't
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245 [04:04:46] <kreyren> Err:5 tor+replaced-url
246 [04:04:46] <kreyren> Timed out while waiting to read
'first part of response' from proxy
socks5h://127.0.0.1:9050 [IP: 127.0.0.1 9050]
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248 [04:04:52] <kreyren> whats wrong with onion mirror?
249 [04:06:26] <quadrathoch2> as this is a stable support channel
you would need #debian-next on oftc kreyren
250 [04:06:55] <kreyren> quadrathoch2, probably irelevant since
it's mirror issue
251 [04:07:01] <kreyren> -> Sane to ask here?
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285 [05:01:28] <deego> Does chromium keep crashing for others
too, after today's security fix?
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290 [05:06:36] <annadane> have you tried strace?
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303 [05:29:11] <lenswipe> hey folks
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305 [05:29:39] <lenswipe> I restore a backup of my homedir and
all the permissions are 777. Is there a way to set everything back
to the default home dir permissions?
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311 [05:35:44] <ectospasm> lenswipe: look up umask
312 [05:36:01] <ectospasm> The umask your program uses to restore
is probably set to 000
313 [05:36:34] <ectospasm> Which may or may not use your
user's umask
314 [05:36:42] <lenswipe> i mean i literally just cp'd
everything from the drive to my home
315 [05:36:43] <lenswipe> so...
316 [05:36:58] <ectospasm> lenswipe: again, check umask
317 [05:37:09] <ectospasm> lenswipe: also, what filesystem is on
the backup drive?
318 [05:37:38] <lenswipe> uh, NTFS I think
319 [05:38:01] <lenswipe> i was trying to hurriedly copy stuff
off a failing disk before it bit the dust, so i wasn't too
concerned about filesystem magic
320 [05:39:50] <ectospasm> lenswipe: NTFS doesn't know about
UNIX/Linux permissions usually, so that's probably where your
777 permissions are coming from.
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322 [05:40:07] <lenswipe> almost certainly
323 [05:40:34] <lenswipe> so is there a way to set all my files
and folders to the correct value?
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325 [05:40:46] <ectospasm> lenswipe: Define "correct
value"
326 [05:40:47] <lenswipe> I'm aware of what umask is in
theory and how it works, but I'm less sure of how to actually
use it
327 [05:41:09] <ectospasm> You want different permissins for u,
g, and o
328 [05:41:10] <lenswipe> So, i think it's reasonable to say
that 777 is the "incorrect" value for a home dir, yes?
329 [05:41:13] <lenswipe> right
330 [05:41:26] <ectospasm> And you want different permissions for
directories and executable files.
331 [05:42:01] <ectospasm> You can set permissions on a directory
with: chmod -R <perms> <dir>
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333 [05:42:25] <ectospasm> And that will recursively (-R) change
all the files to be those permissions.
334 [05:42:38] <ectospasm> Remember that directories have to be
readable and executable.
335 [05:43:19] <lenswipe> right, and that's the rub
336 [05:43:28] <lenswipe> i can easily do chmod -R 644 $(pwd)
337 [05:43:37] <lenswipe> but, i need different perms on files
and directories
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339 [05:44:16] <ectospasm> You could do: find /home/<user>
-type d -exec chmod u=rwx,go+rx {} \;
340 [05:44:41] <ectospasm> Or remove the 'o' if you
don't what it readable by anybody.
341 [05:45:01] <lenswipe> hmm
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347 [05:50:22] <lenswipe> ectospasm, will that fix everything? or
do i have to also fix the files too?
348 [05:50:52] <ectospasm> lenswipe: That will fix the
directories. You can change -type d to -type f for regular files.
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350 [05:51:30] <ectospasm> Hopefully your executables are easy to
find (e.g. ~/bin`)
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352 [05:51:39] <ectospasm> Then you can chmod +x them.
353 [05:52:09] <ectospasm> Also, change the permissions to 644
(u+rw,go+r)
354 [05:52:27] <ectospasm> Or if you want to ensure exact
permissions: u=rw,go=r
355 [05:52:40] <ectospasm> Or the older method (0644)
356 [05:53:36] <lenswipe> i dont reall have any executables in my
home dir that i know of
357 [05:53:46] <lenswipe> ....actually
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359 [05:53:55] <lenswipe> fack. i do have nvm, node, zsh etc.
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362 [05:54:49] <ectospasm> lenswipe: aren't those in /bin,
/usr/bin, or /usr/local/bin?
363 [05:55:17] <ectospasm> Or maybe /opt
364 [05:55:19] <lenswipe> nvm isnt afai
365 [05:55:25] <lenswipe> afaik*
366 [05:55:28] <lenswipe> it's in ~/.nvm
367 [05:55:38] <lenswipe> and then node/npm etc. go inside
~/.nvm/
368 [05:55:45] <ectospasm> Sounds like a handful of executables
in there
369 [05:55:50] <lenswipe> probably
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371 [05:56:01] <lenswipe> hi-ho hi-ho, it's breaking shit i
go
372 [05:56:22] <ectospasm> You could run `file
.nvm/<filename>` to make sure it's an executable before
you set the permissions.
373 [05:57:32] <lenswipe> i could
374 [05:57:40] <lenswipe> or i could just re-install nvm and the
relevant node versions tbh
375 [05:57:46] <lenswipe> it's not _too_ terribly difficult
376 [05:57:55] <ectospasm> that would work, too
377 [05:58:04] <lenswipe> meanwhile, im having an issue with a
gnome extension
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379 [05:58:20] <ectospasm> I can't help you there, I
don't use Gnome
380 [05:58:23] <lenswipe> ah ok
381 [05:58:29] <ectospasm> Or at least, no Gnome programs in
Debian
382 [05:58:38] <ectospasm> I usually use Debian for servers.
383 [05:58:39] <lenswipe> im used to having the dock at the
bottom and i used dash to dock before
384 [05:58:54] <lenswipe> it worked before and now its not doing
and the muscle memory of not having it there is slowly chipping at
my sanity
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394 [06:08:59] <lenswipe> ectospasm, just to clarify...
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396 [06:09:07] <lenswipe> if i don't want my stuff readable
by anyone other than me, I'd do this:
397 [06:09:08] <lenswipe> find /home/<user> -type d -exec
chmod u=rwx,g+rx {} \;
398 [06:09:09] <lenswipe> ?
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401 [06:12:51] <ectospasm> No
402 [06:13:10] <lenswipe> ?
403 [06:13:34] <lenswipe> well, readable to anyone else in my
group
404 [06:13:37] <lenswipe> but, the point is..
405 [06:13:43] <ectospasm> You could do: find ~ -type d -exec
chmod -R u=rwx,go= {} \;
406 [06:13:56] <ectospasm> Or just do 0700
407 [06:14:01] <ectospasm> Or 700, whichever
408 [06:14:26] <ectospasm> Oh, then that would be u=rwx,g=rx,o=
409 [06:14:36] <ectospasm> 0750
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414 [06:18:36] <lenswipe> u=rwx,g=rx,o= means i have read, write
and execute, group has read and execute and others have nothing?
415 [06:18:51] <ectospasm> lenswipe: yes
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417 [06:19:05] <lenswipe> i see
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419 [06:19:18] <lenswipe> and files and folders should have
different permissions, right?
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421 [06:21:42] <ectospasm> if you use -type d only directories
will be affected.
422 [06:21:53] <ectospasm> So, drop the 'x' for regular
files (-type f)
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424 [06:22:07] <ectospasm> i.e.: u=rw,g=r,o=
425 [06:22:19] <ectospasm> That's equivalent to 644
426 [06:22:27] <ectospasm> or 640
427 [06:23:24] <lenswipe> right.
428 [06:23:33] <lenswipe> i guess we don't want _EVERY_ file
to be executable
429 [06:24:03] <ectospasm> lenswipe: it won't hurt much
430 [06:24:27] <ectospasm> If you try to run it and it isn't
really an executable you'll get bad interpreter, or possibly
some other error.
431 [06:24:52] <lenswipe> meh
432 [06:24:54] <ectospasm> Or you could get unlucky and have it
do something undesirable.
433 [06:25:03] <lenswipe> yeah, thats what im worried about
434 [06:25:14] <ectospasm> But that's only if you run it.
435 [06:26:04] <ectospasm> If you don't have that many
executables it's safe to just mark everything rw-r-----
436 [06:26:26] <ectospasm> Then do chmod +x on any executables
you do find.
437 [06:26:33] <ectospasm> the file command can help with that.
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454 [06:57:24] <andi_> hello, can i use an ubuntu mirror for my
apt sources.list?
455 [06:58:31] <Unit193> Ubuntu mirrors aren't likely to
have Debian sources, sooo...Nope.
456 [06:58:43] <Unit193> What are you trying to do, andi_?
457 [06:59:58] <andi_> Unit193: i have several servers offline,
one of it was installed with debian, the rest is ubuntu so
there's an offline ubuntu mirror
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459 [07:00:30] <andi_> i'd like to use the ubuntu mirror to
update/install the debian host
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461 [07:01:07] <Unit193> Ah, I only use apt-cacher-ng for my
mirroring needs, since I don't need everything.
462 [07:01:29] <andi_> that's the offline mirror base
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463 [07:02:10] <andi_> the packages in the pool should be fine, i
just didn't know if it's possible to use a debian stretch
to use it
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467 [07:12:59] <padhu> Chromium browser gives Google meet error
message 'your browser can't share your screen'. I
installed chromium i80.
468 [07:12:59] <padhu> 0.3987.162-1~deb10u1
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470 [07:17:22] <padhu> In Chromium browser, while try to present
in Google meet get error message 'your browser can't share
your screen'. I installed chromium 80.
471 [07:17:22] <padhu> 0.3987.162-1~deb10u1
472 [07:18:38] <diogenes_> padhu, what about Firefox?
473 [07:20:23] <padhu> diogenes: I am not tried?
474 [07:20:48] <diogenes_> so try.
475 [07:21:16] <padhu> Because it came out frequently.
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480 [07:28:54] <padhu> diogenes_: any bug in chromium?
481 [07:31:26] <diogenes_> padhu, i don't know, i don't
use neither google meet nor Chromium but if you try Firefox and it
works then yes a bug.
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494 [07:49:24] <andi_> if i do a service apache2 stop,
shouldn't the apache2 service be stopped?
495 [07:49:33] <andi_> why do i still see the apache2 debian
default page?
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500 [07:55:48] <brachamh_> andi_, I just got here so i don't
know if you gave more details earlier, but i assume you're
running debian...what version?
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503 [07:56:18] <andi_> bachler: stretch
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506 [07:57:02] <andi_> Debian 4.9.144-3 a pgrep and a ps aux did
not catch anything for apache 2 yet i still see the apache2 page
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509 [08:00:07] <brachamh_> andi_, a quick google search showed me
that for the more recent versions of debian/ubuntu the command is:
systemctl stop apache2.service
510 [08:00:35] <brachamh_> seems to me that with ubuntu i've
used: systemctl stop apache2
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513 [08:04:00] <SpeedyG> could also be that the default page is
still in your browser cache
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515 [08:04:56] <brachamh_> that's true. seems to me that i
ran into the same "problem" once and it was simply that i
was using the old command
516 [08:05:21] <brachamh_> again, that was with ubuntu...i'm
working on switching over to debian
517 [08:05:21] <andi_> lets check :)
518 [08:05:22] <SpeedyG> but yeah, as of the transition to
systemd, systemctl is the command to be used...
519 [08:05:35] <andi_> and yeah i used systemctl too
520 [08:05:44] <andi_> and systemctl status is also good so far
521 [08:05:51] <andi_> so it seems like apache2 is offline
522 [08:05:55] <andi_> yet i still see the apache page
523 [08:06:16] <SpeedyG> try to get it with curl or similar
524 [08:06:22] <SpeedyG> isntead of the browser
525 [08:06:35] <SpeedyG> and check with ss -plunt if port 80 is
still running a listening service
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527 [08:07:21] <brachamh_> most browsers also have a "hard
refresh" option
528 [08:07:40] <brachamh_> to pull a fresh page from the server
instead of from cache
529 [08:08:52] <andi_> alright cache was the problem
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532 [08:09:07] <andi_> grrr... that's not the first time
cache was the fault :/
533 [08:09:10] <brachamh_> which browser do you use?
534 [08:09:15] <andi_> firefox
535 [08:09:31] <SpeedyG> ctrl-f5 might help too iirc
536 [08:10:53] <brachamh_> ah ok. i tried FF years ago and
haven't been back. now i'm working my way away from
anything Google so I'm somewhat tempted to try FF again. Trying
Brave for now
537 [08:11:41] <autumncc> Icecat and Qutebrowser are some options
538 [08:11:49] <padhu> diogenes_: In Firefox, working fine. Thank
you. But in chromium still problem, even after reinstalled chromium
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541 [08:12:43] <brachamh_> autumncc, are they full featured?
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544 [08:13:32] <autumncc> for the most part but i dotn think they
have everything that FF/chrome has
545 [08:14:12] <diogenes_> padhu, Chromium has alwaysbeen buggy
at least for me.
546 [08:14:46] <brachamh_> so FF is probably the best browser
currently?
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548 [08:16:05] <padhu> Idiogenes_ : I always use firefox.
Chromium only for meeting
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551 [08:17:06] <brachamh_> i tried chromium once a few months ago
and found that it didn't work for everything i needed, so i
quit it.
552 [08:17:23] <padhu> diogenes_: google search gives no result
for this.
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558 [08:28:52] <brachamh_> one main thing i need in a browser is
multiple device coordination, which chrome does do amazingly. i
couldn't find that option tonight in brave (it has been a long
day), so i'm looking through FF now
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562 [08:32:04] <diogenes_> brave is compromised as i've
heard.
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569 [08:34:28] <brachamh_> brave is compromised? do you have any
details offhand? i'll search that
570 [08:35:06] <SpeedyG> I guess you're refering to this
replaced-url
571 [08:35:52] <diogenes_> yes ^^^^
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573 [08:36:33] <brachamh_> oh wow
574 [08:36:44] <brachamh_> transparency is a big deal
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576 [08:37:42] <brachamh_> "Finally, Eich argued that none
of this was hidden from users and has been viewable in the
browser’s source code for months.
577 [08:37:42] <brachamh_> Read more at MobileSyrup.com: Brave
browser apologizes for automatically redirecting users through
affiliate links"
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579 [08:38:20] <brachamh_> seriously? in the browser's
source code? because everyone's a programmer!
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581 [08:39:03] <SpeedyG> brachamh_: thats the whole idea of
'open source' right ... so that everyone can check if its
doing what its supposed to do ? :P
582 [08:39:18] <SpeedyG> because everyone is a programmer/dev or
knows how to read and audit code
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584 [08:40:58] <rudi_s> And has the time (and will) to read
million lines of code ..
585 [08:41:00] <brachamh_> haha! that's the thing with open
source...you shouldn't try to hide stuff, as someone will call
you out
586 [08:41:03] <absinthe> tbh that affiliated thing is no big
deal
587 [08:41:08] <absinthe> (hello)
588 [08:41:27] <SpeedyG> mornin absinthe :) and agree with you
there... people should know what they sign up for ;)
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590 [08:41:37] <absinthe> brave is not misdirecting the user, nor
selling their data
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592 [08:42:14] <brachamh_> i somewhat agree that it isn't a
big deal, but it's just the fact that it's a privacy
browser and it wasn't being transparent. i dunno.
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594 [08:43:05] <brachamh_> i'm tired so my thinking may be
off a bit, but that does hit me as a bit wrong
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596 [08:45:36] <diogenes_> maybe the thing with affiliated links
is onlty the tip of the iceberg, if a company can do one dirty trick
then it can do others more hidden ones too.
597 [08:45:57] <brachamh_> exactly
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599 [08:47:39] <absinthe> it's somewhat the "less shady
thing" a browser would do. compare it with DDG browser on
mobile that phoned back home to tell the servers *every* *domain*
you visit (took 1+ year for DDG to fix this issue)
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601 [08:49:02] <absinthe> well, anyway.. ;)
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607 [08:53:34] <skyliner_369> does anyone know of a PPA with
blender 2.83 or should I uninstall blender and use snap for blender?
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626 [09:32:11] <towo^work> skyliner_369, debian does not have any
ppa
627 [09:32:16] <towo^work> ppa are for ubuntu
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630 [09:35:13] <skyliner_369> right.
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638 [09:43:49] <alexrelis> Is it possible to run Second Life on
Debian? My sister has the urge to play.
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641 [09:46:45] <oiaohm> alexrelis: you can be in for a bit of a
setup issue as the Second life offical viewer for Linux is still 32
bit only.
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645 [09:51:17] <oiaohm> alexrelis:
replaced-url
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650 [09:56:01] <alexrelis> Are there any viewers that are in the
official Debian repositories?
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653 [09:59:01] <oiaohm> alexrelis: the answer is unfortantly no.
And there is not an flatpak from firestorm or second life either.
654 [09:59:46] <oiaohm> firestorm viewer is in fact LGPL open
source but its not packaged for debian.
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656 [09:59:53] <oiaohm> Or any other distribution.
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731 [11:39:56] <NetTerminalGene> ,v gnome-shell
732 [11:39:57] <judd> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- jessie:
3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.22.3-3; buster: 3.30.2-11~deb10u1;
bullseye: 3.36.3-1; sid: 3.36.3-1
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746 [11:58:14] <ruffni> i seem to have locked myself out of my
debian installation; i think it has something to do with
hibernation. so: how do i prevent my machine to try to recover from
hibernate (and just boot up normally)?
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760 [12:12:36] <avalenn> Hello, I have errors about The
repository 'replaced-url
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762 [12:12:55] <rander2> hello
763 [12:13:03] <avalenn> any idea why ?
764 [12:13:29] <rander2> how may I start deb10 in rext mode ?
765 [12:14:13] <rander2> without X I mean,boot with bash
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771 [12:17:10] <rander2> I have a laptop with blinking screen,
and it's impossible switch to text with alt+F1...
772 [12:18:04] <avalenn> rander2 ctrl+alt+F1 ?
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774 [12:18:50] <rander2> avalenn, don't go,text appair for a
moment and quickly disappare
775 [12:18:59] <rander2> so I must boot in text
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778 [12:21:55] <avalenn> recovery mode on boot prompt ?
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781 [12:23:37] <rander2> avalenn, recovery mode go in text mode,
but graph after dont start
782 [12:23:50] <rander2> all begun when I installed zram
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788 [12:27:36] <rander2> recovery mode dont show errors with
dmesg
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791 [12:29:16] <rander2> su user dont go
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794 [12:29:57] <rander2> how may I remove zram from the services
?
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796 [12:31:09] <rander2> I removed zram with remmod zram , and
xfce4 start correctly , but I am root. How may I remove zram module
from boot ?
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823 [13:03:33] <rander2> zram
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834 [13:07:25] <rander2> hello
835 [13:07:57] <rander2> how avoid to insert a module in the
kernel at boot ?
836 [13:08:42] <nkuttler> rander2: blacklist it in
/etc/modprobe.d/
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838 [13:10:49] <rander2> how?
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840 [13:12:04] <rander2> nkuttler, how blacklist?
841 [13:12:06] <netvixtra> first hit on google
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843 [13:13:57] <ruffni> when i try to boot my machine it
successfully decrypts my drive and starts the boot process, but
crashes shortly after "PM: Image loading process X%"... i
tried commenting out the swap partition (with the intention of
stopping the system to try recovering from a hibernate state) but no
luck. same red-screen-of-death. do i really need to set up the
844 [13:13:58] <ruffni> machine again?
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859 [13:25:41] <rander2> cp full copy hiddend and all _
860 [13:25:44] <rander2> ?
861 [13:26:31] <rander2> cp -R ...?
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864 [13:28:11] <ratrace> what!
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868 [13:30:53] <rander2> ss -d
869 [13:31:25] <rander2> ss -t
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873 [13:34:26] <rander2> I-m going to reinstall debian thx
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878 [13:42:19] <schangg> Hello
879 [13:42:52] <schangg> I just installed debian:latest in a
docker
880 [13:42:54] <schangg> when I run systemd-resolve --status
881 [13:43:08] <schangg> I then get sd_bus_open_system: No such
file or directory
882 [13:43:47] <schangg> I've found some references to this
on the web and some people fixed the problem by creating some
symbolic links
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884 [13:44:10] <schangg> but as this was reported a while ago I
would assume that if this was a bug then it should have been fixed
by now
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886 [13:46:02] <ayekat> schangg: what command are you passing to
the container?
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888 [13:46:16] <schangg> I am inside the container executing a
shell
889 [13:46:27] <schangg> so doing that from that shell
890 [13:46:27] <ayekat> I wouldn't be surprised if this is
simply a case of not running any init system or services, so half
the OS inside isn't working as expected
891 [13:46:50] <schangg> ayekat quite probable
892 [13:47:01] <schangg> ayekat but dns resolution works just
fine
893 [13:48:32] <ayekat> schangg: I'm not familiar enough
with containers to really help here - but I guess DNS resolution
works fine because the (host) OS exposes the necessary things to the
container to allow glibc inside to resolve hostnames
894 [13:49:49] <schangg> the host is providing network config
with DHCP
895 [13:50:03] <schangg> the dns info provided by DHCP point to
an address of the host
896 [13:50:17] <schangg> which I assume will then forward that to
the dns set in the host
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898 [13:50:29] <schangg> so I am not sure why this would be a
problem for systemd
899 [13:51:35] <ayekat> AFAICT, containers are really just
namespaces with some bells and whistles - unfortunately I'm not
familiar enough with namespaces to really help here, either ^^'
900 [13:52:00] <schangg> how would I evidence that what you
believe to be missing is actually missing ?
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904 [13:54:13] <raidghost> Just got fiber internet and iptv from
the same provider. Is there much difference from ubuntu/debian when
it comes to supporting multicast (and to get igmpproxy to work
smooth) ?
905 [13:54:47] <schangg> ayekat systemctl start systemd
906 [13:54:47] <schangg> System has not been booted with systemd
as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
907 [13:55:01] <schangg> so you are certainly right
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910 [13:56:05] <enoq> hi, I was wondering where debian and
debianslim docker images were built from
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914 [13:58:23] <nevivurn> enoq:
replaced-url
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921 [14:01:27] <ruffni> my laptop ran out of battery while
hibernating. now it won't boot (altough it starts and even lets
me decrypt my drive). it states "loading image" then
crashes. i tried deactivating the swap (to hinder recovering some
broken hibernation image) but no luck. any suggestions? can i
disable the hibernation feature when only mounting the drive? would
a
922 [14:01:27] <ruffni> rescue disk be of any help?
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924 [14:05:59] <ruffni> is it of any use (in my case) to mount
the drive and reinstall initramfs-tools (as the manual page
"Hibernation" suggests)?
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931 [14:12:44] <enoq> looks like the docker image just builds off
of the root fs
replaced-url
932 [14:12:54] <enoq> does a normal debian version ship without
ps?
933 [14:14:04] <enoq> procps package that is
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946 [14:22:10] <archaeopter98> Hello! I know it isnt quite a
debian question, but how would i go about sshing into dietpi, a
minimal debian for my newly ordered pi zero?
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957 [14:27:04] <mra90> anybody familiar with chromeOS kernel and
knows how to update it froma USB stick instead of officialy
documented script which requires network access?
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986 [15:02:43] <ayekat> schangg: `systemctl start systemd`
doesn't really make any sense - systemd isn't a service,
and more generally, starting a service requires systemd to be
running in the first place :-)
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1026 [16:06:58] <jaggz> . ~/.bashrc says: /home/jaggz/.bashrc:
restricted
1027 [16:07:06] <jaggz> what in the world is that?
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1031 [16:09:54] <mezzo> ls -l .bashrc ?
1032 [16:10:05] <jaggz> weird. It's doing it only in that
shell. exited and used another and it works fine. Also, I had to
exit that shell twice, so I must have been in a subshell somehow
that was, I guess "restricted".
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1088 [16:58:05] <jmd> Does anyone have a recommendation for an
offline HTML validator?
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1093 [17:05:29] <nkuttler> jmd: i think the w3 validator can be
downloaded as a jar
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1095 [17:06:10] <jmd> Yeah but its huge and its java
1096 [17:06:14] <nkuttler> jmd: sorry, this
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1180 [18:16:12] <cek> I need to download old package for debian
10. Where do I look?
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1182 [18:16:31] <cek> Do I get it right it went from 80 directly
to 83? -
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1183 [18:16:46] <cek> what is ver 81 for?
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1195 [18:29:09] <raidghost> How can i set a network interface to
be blank but active ?
1196 [18:30:27] <dfacto> blank as in no address?
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1204 [18:35:41] <raidghost> yes
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1212 [18:39:01] <Psil0Cybin> hey i got a question i installed an
icon theme for xfce4, everything is working perfect but hwen i open
thunar my home directory
1213 [18:39:10] <Psil0Cybin> all folders are changed except
pictures, i cleaned the cache
1214 [18:39:23] <Psil0Cybin> and nothing it shows all new icons
but Pictures shows the gnome folder icon how can i fix this because
im OCD
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1220 [18:43:25] <Psil0Cybin> no idea what to do except delete
Pictures rename it to Pics
1221 [18:43:27] <Psil0Cybin> and call it a day
1222 [18:43:33] <Psil0Cybin> why on earth is it doing this?
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1232 [18:52:22] <Ashleee> m
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1234 [18:54:24] <BCMM> Psil0Cybin: is there a .directory file in
your pictures? does it set a custom icon?
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1241 [19:04:07] <b1ack0p> hi
1242 [19:04:20] <b1ack0p> is there create NTFS partition option in
debian installation?
1243 [19:06:12] <towo`> why would anyone do that at installations
time?
1244 [19:07:16] <cpach> b1ack0p: maybe just leave some room for
that and create it later?
1245 [19:07:47] <b1ack0p> i will dual boot with winxp
1246 [19:07:53] <b1ack0p> i delete entire hdd with debian disk
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1248 [19:08:03] <b1ack0p> i was planning to partition with xp cd
1249 [19:08:08] <b1ack0p> but xp installation cannot find hdd
1250 [19:08:12] <b1ack0p> so it doesnt install
1251 [19:08:21] <nevivurn> XP...?
1252 [19:08:27] <b1ack0p> yes
1253 [19:08:27] <b1ack0p> old laptop
1254 [19:08:29] <BCMM> b1ack0p: pretty sure XP didn't have a
SATA driver
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1256 [19:08:53] <BCMM> if it's a SATA machine, you'll
need a driver floppy or a custom ISO to install
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1258 [19:09:20] <b1ack0p> well previously it was installed
1259 [19:09:29] <b1ack0p> i just wanted to give larger space to
debian
1260 [19:09:40] <BCMM> yeah, if it was an OEM install it would
have had a SATA driver added by the OEM
1261 [19:09:41] <b1ack0p> so i deleted entire disk with debian
installation
1262 [19:09:54] <b1ack0p> and i wanted to create partition with xp
first
1263 [19:09:59] <BCMM> i *think* a "driver floppy" can
be a USB stick for XP
1264 [19:10:19] <BCMM> it's not the lack of an NTFS partition
that's stopping the XP installer from seeing the disk
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1268 [19:11:54] <b1ack0p> grrr
1269 [19:11:58] <b1ack0p> i dont know what to do now
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1271 [19:12:55] <BCMM> b1ack0p: well, is it a SATA hdd?
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1273 [19:13:43] <b1ack0p> BCMM: yes it is
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1279 [19:17:12] <emper0r> hi to everyone.. exist a command to show
like a gant graphic... when start a command all process until
finish.. to know in what process will be more slow !?
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1286 [19:21:37] <towo`> b1ack0p, don't tell nonsense, xp
would even see a blank disk, if it has a driver
1287 [19:22:12] <towo`> b1ack0p, but as sayed before, xp has no
sata driver, so it can't see the entire disc, so a ntfs
partition would not help
1288 [19:22:38] <b1ack0p> towo`: :S,
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1290 [19:23:09] <towo`> and no one would install xp nowdays,
it's dead since years
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1296 [19:29:13] <b1ack0p> towo`: fixed :p
1297 [19:29:19] <b1ack0p> i had to change sata mode in bios
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1299 [19:30:16] <towo`> yes, now you have activated the brake for
the hd drive
1300 [19:31:08] <b1ack0p> yes
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1302 [19:33:52] <oerheks> LVM is awesome.
1303 [19:34:13] <flayer> you are awesome
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1388 [20:56:59] <LCRERGO> does anyone know if I should set
something for the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS variable be set?
1389 [20:57:19] <LCRERGO> I'm not used to using dbus
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1392 [21:00:30] <||JD||> I'm getting "the exchange of
keys and association with the access point failed" when the
installer tries to setup the network, I'm using a 802.11 USB
dongle and the AP is on WPA2-PSK
1393 [21:00:55] <||JD||> I'm never offered to pick the SSID
even when it's being streamed, I need to enter it manually
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1395 [21:01:05] <||JD||> Any ideas?
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1397 [21:02:19] <b1ack0p> hi again
1398 [21:02:28] <b1ack0p> i have now 100gb free space
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1400 [21:02:47] <b1ack0p> how can i encyript it and create
partition with swap?
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1402 [21:03:02] <miskatonic> cool, so use them wisely by not
installing gnome3
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1404 [21:03:28] <b1ack0p> lol yea i will install xfce for sure
1405 [21:03:39] <b1ack0p> but how will i configure?
1406 [21:03:47] <b1ack0p> Configure encyrpted volumes?
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1408 [21:04:40] <miskatonic> i never encrypted anything on debian,
and never used lvm, either; so I don't know
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1410 [21:06:09] <b1ack0p> then who knows=
1411 [21:06:10] <b1ack0p> ?
1412 [21:07:00] <greycat> You. You choose. You do what you think
is correct.
1413 [21:07:57] <b1ack0p> i dont know how to make it
1414 [21:08:11] <b1ack0p> click on configure encyrpted volumes
without partitioning?
1415 [21:08:21] <b1ack0p> or just do guided install entire free
space?
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1418 [21:11:07] <b1ack0p> should i encyrpt swap area also?
1419 [21:11:12] <b1ack0p> or just ext4 partition?
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1421 [21:16:05] <EdePopede> miskatonic: +1 to the gnome comment
1422 [21:17:05] <EdePopede> b1ack0p: is this a partition or a
whole disc?
1423 [21:17:16] <b1ack0p> EdePopede: just partition
1424 [21:17:25] <b1ack0p> dual booting with windos
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1427 [21:21:03] <EdePopede> if you're unsure and you
don't depend on that partition, take your time, play with it.
just take care not to let anything spill over.
1428 [21:21:42] <EdePopede> you may try different options, just to
see how they work out for you. who knows, may answer a future
question before it even arises.
1429 [21:22:08] <b1ack0p> i think i did something bad..
1430 [21:22:34] <b1ack0p> erasing data on SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition
#5 (sda)
1431 [21:22:34] <EdePopede> you installed kali on it?
1432 [21:22:44] <b1ack0p> does it mean erasing entire disk?
1433 [21:22:54] <EdePopede> you know you can ls things in the grub
prompt?
1434 [21:23:08] <EdePopede> and even access files by path
1435 [21:23:08] <b1ack0p> i am on debian installation menu..
1436 [21:23:23] <b1ack0p> what s that SCSI1 sda ?
1437 [21:23:26] <b1ack0p> entire disk?
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1439 [21:23:38] <EdePopede> part 5 sounds like a partition (maybe
on sda)
1440 [21:23:50] <b1ack0p> not entire disk?
1441 [21:23:53] <b1ack0p> hope so
1442 [21:23:54] <EdePopede> go to another terminal and check
what's available
1443 [21:24:03] <b1ack0p> because i have choosen encyript
freespace
1444 [21:24:20] <b1ack0p> can i open command line even on
installation menu?
1445 [21:24:32] <b1ack0p> it is still erasing SCSI1 now
1446 [21:24:36] <EdePopede> iirc the usual way (alt-f2) should
work
1447 [21:24:40] <b1ack0p> 11% finished
1448 [21:24:42] <greycat> tty2 is a terminal during the installer
1449 [21:25:06] <b1ack0p> ~ #
1450 [21:25:10] <b1ack0p> is this tty =
1451 [21:25:11] <b1ack0p> ?
1452 [21:25:13] <EdePopede> yep
1453 [21:25:18] <EdePopede> yer friendly prompt
1454 [21:25:20] <b1ack0p> what s the command to check partitions?
1455 [21:25:25] <b1ack0p> :p
1456 [21:25:31] <b1ack0p> lsblk didnt work
1457 [21:25:33] <b1ack0p> not found
1458 [21:25:40] <miskatonic> the shell on the install procedure is
probably dash, isn't it?
1459 [21:25:42] <EdePopede> i'd do the usual fdisk/gdisk
first
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1461 [21:26:01] <greycat> doesn't really matter what the
shell is... what matter is what *tools* are available, and
pathetically few of them are
1462 [21:26:01] <b1ack0p> fdisk not found
1463 [21:26:12] <EdePopede> not sure if file is available for a
`file -s` on the device files
1464 [21:26:17] <b1ack0p> gdisk not found
1465 [21:26:29] <b1ack0p> file not found
1466 [21:26:34] <b1ack0p> it is free space
1467 [21:26:43] <b1ack0p> i mean it doesnt find anythng
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1469 [21:26:53] <EdePopede> tab, see what you have
1470 [21:27:07] <dob1> how can I check default grub entry?
1471 [21:27:32] <b1ack0p> fsck
1472 [21:27:36] <greycat> read /boot/grub/grub.cfg
1473 [21:27:37] <b1ack0p> a lot things
1474 [21:27:48] <b1ack0p> how can i scroll up=
1475 [21:27:48] <dob1> greycat, I tried but it's the first
one?
1476 [21:27:49] <b1ack0p> ?
1477 [21:28:20] <greycat> yes, it's the first menuentry
unless you override that by setting some variable
1478 [21:28:29] <b1ack0p> ok good #5 is partition
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1480 [21:28:39] <b1ack0p> not entire disk
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1482 [21:28:49] <greycat> fancy, that, "partition #5" is
a partition. whodaguessed.
1483 [21:28:57] <b1ack0p> :p
1484 [21:29:19] <b1ack0p> lets wait that erases
1485 [21:29:25] <b1ack0p> it may take long time
1486 [21:29:44] <b1ack0p> i need to reboot btw
1487 [21:29:46] <b1ack0p> see ya in a bit
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1489 [21:30:00] <EdePopede> the '(sda)' is indeed
confusing
1490 [21:30:42] <sney> one of those situations where it helps to
read the whole message
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1496 [21:35:41] <berlise1> hello all. I'm having trouble
downloading apps from github any help would be appreciated. tried
search google and tried a a lot of different things that came up
with still no joy
1497 [21:36:24] <berlise1> oh I'm using kali
1498 [21:36:28] <sney> !kali
1499 [21:36:28] <dpkg> Kali Linux
replaced-url
1500 [21:37:20] <berlise1> ok thxs I'll take it else where
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1507 [21:43:42] <BCMM> When i upgraded to python 3.8.4~rc1-1,
beets stopped working. Should I file a bug for python or for beets?
1508 [21:44:04] <jmd> yes.
1509 [21:44:33] <greycat> ,v python3
1510 [21:44:34] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie:
3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; bullseye: 3.8.2-3; sid:
3.8.2-3
1511 [21:44:40] <greycat> What OS are you even using?
1512 [21:44:44] <BCMM> sid
1513 [21:44:48] <binaryhermit> Maybe someone with more knowledge
than me can inform me better, but I'd file it against beets
1514 [21:45:19] <binaryhermit> also, #debian-next on OFTC
1515 [21:45:21] <greycat>
replaced-url
1516 [21:45:39] <BCMM> ,v python3.8
1517 [21:45:40] <judd> Package: python3.8 on amd64 -- bullseye:
3.8.3-1; sid: 3.8.4~rc1-1
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1519 [21:45:56] <greycat> Hilarious.
1520 [21:46:04] <greycat> !pal sid users
1521 [21:46:05] * dpkg points at sid users and laughs uproariously
1522 [21:46:13] <binaryhermit> Offtopic-ish for here, but I assume
bullseye/sid removed python2
1523 [21:46:19] <BCMM> greycat: (check the deps of the python3
package; it's basically a metapackage)
1524 [21:46:44] <annadane> typically bug reports filed erroneously
under one thing get assigned but i'd probably file the bug
against beets itself
1525 [21:46:54] <annadane> s/assigned/reassigned
1526 [21:46:57] <sney> I wouldn't count on a "rc1"
python build to not have some random regression in it, so maybe wait
for the next one to roll in before worrying about bug reports for an
ephemeral package
1527 [21:47:08] <annadane> yeah that too
1528 [21:47:29] <BCMM> sney: i mean, presumably the whole point of
a release candidate is that people report the problems before it
gets made in to the final release, right?
1529 [21:47:48] <binaryhermit> that said, RC builds are thought to
maybe be release quality, I believe
1530 [21:47:49] <BCMM> annadane: yeah, i was thinking that
whatever i do it's gonna somehow end up assigned to the other
one, so i should just pick one
1531 [21:47:55] <greycat> !debian-next
1532 [21:47:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
replaced-url
1533 [21:48:08] <binaryhermit> obviously, emphasis on maybe in
"maybe be release quality"
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1535 [21:48:40] <binaryhermit> IIRC there was a ubuntu like almost
15 years ago that had horrible kernel breakage in the RC
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1537 [21:48:49] <binaryhermit> so that's not always true
1538 [21:48:53] <BCMM> greycat: yeah, i know about debian-next,
but i've had no reply in three hours. i'm not asking for a
fix, though - i'm asking for more general advice about how to
file Debian bugs.
1539 [21:48:57] <binaryhermit> feisty I think?
1540 [21:49:08] <sney> TBH it may be best to ask in #python with a
pastebin of the error and see if they have any feedback about whose
problem it is
1541 [21:49:20] <BCMM> oh, that might be a point
1542 [21:50:58] <BCMM> i'll try #python, thanks
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1546 [21:53:53] <BCMM> actually, pretty sure it's technically
a beets bug. i mean, "makes the package in question
unusable" is a Serious reason, and there isn't really one
for making dependant packages unusable
1547 [21:54:03] <dob1> I have this source.list for debian stretch
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1548 [21:54:25] <sney> dob1: and disable backports/3rd party
repos, yes
1549 [21:54:35] <sney> dpkg: stretch->buster
1550 [21:54:35] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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1551 [21:54:38] <dob1> sney, why disable backports?
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1553 [21:55:00] <dob1> I would change it to stretch-backports
1554 [21:55:07] <dob1> *buster-backports
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1556 [21:55:23] <sney> you can re-enable them after the upgrade is
finishes, but having anything other than the main mirrors enabled
during an upgrade can cause weird dependency issues.
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1559 [21:55:42] <dob1> ok, so virtualbox too
1560 [21:55:44] <dob1> thanks
1561 [21:55:48] <sney> np
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1568 [22:02:19] <dob1> ah but I don't have to use
dist-upgrade anymore? I have to use upgrade and then full-upgrade?
1569 [22:02:47] <greycat> it's "apt full-upgrade"
or "apt-get dist-upgrade", but I think they also share
each other's arguments for compatibility
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1571 [22:03:24] <dob1> and apt-get upgrade?
1572 [22:03:42] <greycat> dpkg apt vs. apt-get
1573 [22:03:42] <dpkg> apt is promoted over apt-get for
interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format
differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an
install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades.
apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for
scripting.
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1577 [22:04:19] <dob1> so I will go for the fancy colors :)
1578 [22:04:35] <greycat> hope your terminals use a dark
background
1579 [22:04:54] <dob1> I am doing it via putty
1580 [22:04:56] <miskatonic> I use white background
1581 [22:05:20] <greycat> my terminals have a white background
too, which is one of the primary reasons I don't use apt
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1584 [22:09:58] <miskatonic> blackop done with installing debian?
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1596 [22:16:59] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i know this is not a debian
issue per say, but i am trying to install pfsesne on a minipc
burning the iso file with dd, but it doesnt boot while Debian iso
does boot
1597 [22:17:08] <Psil0Cybin> what am i doing wrong? how can i
check if an iso file is corrupted?
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1599 [22:17:13] <Psil0Cybin> as it wont boot on my mini pc or my
laptop.
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1603 [22:18:38] <sney> you would need to make sure the pfsense iso
is a hybrid image, as not all of them are. they may have a different
file for usb. also run 'sync' before removing the usb
stick.
1604 [22:19:16] <sney> any further questions should go to #pfsense
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1617 [22:35:52] <zv> I've got 3 dozen Windows exes I'm
running under WINE, each of which performs expensive work at startup
before reading a filename (from argv) and exiting. I'd like to
start a pool of them as workers who read a "psuedofile"
that blocks until I write bytes to that psuedofile, thus completing
a new request without the length startup time.
1618 [22:35:53] <zv> I've tried using FIFOs but every one of
them doesn't treat it as a file and therefore can't read
from it. Is there anything I can do to create a "real"
file that will block it's readers, which I can write to from
another process that is *not* a FIFO?
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1620 [22:38:29] <greycat> Just out of curiosity, what happens when
this windows program opens the FIFO? How does it fail?
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1623 [22:40:38] <zv> It depends, some have a general complaint
they can't find the file, some can't open it, some
segfault, some complain "NtReadFile cannot complete"
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1625 [22:42:32] <zv> others still will "work", but
it's clear they've just read 0 bytes.
1626 [22:43:28] <greycat> Well, you already know the correct
answer, I assume. (Replace the Windows programs with native Linux
programs.)
1627 [22:44:13] <zv> unfortunately the vendors want cash just to
recompile the applications to read files from stdin or a socket
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1631 [22:45:02] <Delf> My chromium has become extremely slow since
last update. Clues?
1632 [22:45:04] <zv> i'm trying to give the public a fair
comparison in how they work and they're acting like i'm
the butt
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1636 [22:48:44] <zv> I was thinking someone would know some magic
with mknod, FUSE or even WINE itself that could do this
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1640 [22:50:27] <zv> Delf: take a look at perf, e.g `perf record
-g -- google-chrome`, play around with it for awhile and then do
`perf report`
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1642 [22:52:29] <zv> that will give you an idea at the low level.
It could also be an issue with an extension, which you can check out
within the 'chrome://extensions/' tab, inspecting each one
1643 [22:53:23] <zv> "inspecting" meaning, looking at
the "background page" link which will pop open the
"Inspector" / Devtools
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1650 [22:59:43] <otyugh> from bash, is there a way to script
"detect if my debian version is obsolete" ?
1651 [23:00:08] <EdePopede> "obsolete"?
1652 [23:00:23] <EdePopede> if there's a new stable?
1653 [23:01:01] <sney> parse /etc/debian_version and compare it to
the value of 'stable' on a mirror?
1654 [23:01:05] <otyugh> you now - sid, testing, stable,
oldstable, oldoldstable, and the obsoletes non-maintened stuff
1655 [23:01:06] <EdePopede> out of the blue, you could compare the
repo links to your release to the stable ones
1656 [23:01:13] <Delf> zv: Thank you but this pref tool is way too
advance for me. I don't understand what I'm looking at.
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1658 [23:01:26] <otyugh> *know
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1660 [23:02:34] <sney> Delf: try with a new profile or in safe
mode, I don't remember the command line argument offhand but it
should be easy to find online
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1664 [23:04:48] <zv> Delf: sney has a good point, you could try
`google-chrome --user-data-dir=/tmp/chrome-test` and see if
it's any better
1665 [23:06:01] <sney> chromium, not google-chrome, but same
otherwise
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1668 [23:09:32] <Delf> It's still extremely slow, no
difference
1669 [23:10:00] <Delf> Friend of mine also experiencing the same
after they updated
1670 [23:10:06] <greycat> otyugh: no, we don't
"know" (or "now"). You'd need to maintain a
central web-based or other resource that the script can read to find
out what the "current version" is. Then just compare that
to the contents of /etc/debian_version.
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1672 [23:10:51] <greycat> Right now, that file should say
"10.4". If it says anything else, you can just write an
error message.
1673 [23:10:59] <otyugh> greycat: yup, won't be too hard to
do a hack.
1674 [23:11:14] <sney> this smells like a nagios check
1675 [23:11:18] <otyugh> just wanted to make sure there
wasn't already a solution
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1677 [23:11:53] <greycat> a "solution" to a problem that
only exists in your mind
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1679 [23:12:29] <sney> Delf: could be a bug, check the BTS. also
check the changelog for "feature" updates that might be
conflicting with something on your system, e.g. hardware
acceleration behavior or whatever
1680 [23:12:30] <greycat> If the *actual* goal is "I want all
my machines to stay up to date", install unattended-upgrades,
and follow the DSA mailing list so you know when you reboot 'em
all.
1681 [23:12:34] <otyugh> (it's to automatically prompt user
that don't know anything about versions "your computer
need an upgrade, go to an install party")
1682 [23:12:46] <greycat> *sigh*
1683 [23:12:51] <greycat> What are you, their mommy?
1684 [23:13:14] <otyugh> Did you ever met beginners ? ^^'
1685 [23:13:20] <otyugh> like really.
1686 [23:13:55] <otyugh> There is a bunch of >60 years old that
can't even drag a mouse yet
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1691 [23:15:47] <sney> otyugh: don't mind greycat, he's
professionally grumpy. you may want to check nagios exchange,
someone else may have already invented this wheel, and nagios checks
are just shell scripts that you could repurpose for what you're
doing pretty easily
1692 [23:16:34] <otyugh> sney: well one line of curl + check
/etc/debian_release do the trick.
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1695 [23:18:32] <sney> until you run into some edge case that your
script doesn't know how to handle, anyway. but I guess
that's half the fun.
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1697 [23:23:30] <EdePopede> otyugh: they really should have played
the games that came with windows, their only purpose was teaching
users new things ;)
1698 [23:25:18] <sney> eh, I've supported senior citizen
users before and the best option often *is* to make the computer
hold their hand
1699 [23:25:20] <EdePopede> btw i had a oneliner doing the same
job for youtube-dl, they have a static "latest" link with
a redirect to the actual url with the version in the link.
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1707 [23:38:14] <Delf> sney: BTS?
1708 [23:38:21] <sney> !bts
1709 [23:38:21] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
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1717 [23:41:39] <Delf> Ahh! Changelog, you mean this one?
replaced-url
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1719 [23:42:37] <sney> yes, as well as anything from google in
case the debian changelog just says "new upstream release"
1720 [23:42:52] <Delf> I cannot access the debians changelog for
chromium
1721 [23:43:15] <sney> you can 'apt changelog chromium'
from your system
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1723 [23:46:43] <Delf> I can see the changelog now, it seems to be
mostly security related stuff which I understand nothing of
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1727 [23:54:01] <Delf> Thank you sney
1728 [23:54:09] <sney> np
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