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56 [01:05:04] <tabb> how can set my tower pc to turn off monitor
when idle with debian 10.6 gnome 3.30, the only option seems to be
for laptop and currently it goes only black, not turned off
57 [01:06:16] <sney> putting the monitor on powersave is
standard for all systems, do you have the firmware installed for
your gpu? it may be missing a powersave feature if not
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70 [01:13:55] <Brigo> tabb, check /etc/systemd/logind.conf
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77 [01:17:49] <tabb> Brigo, but that is for the pc itself, not
just the monitor right
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90 [01:26:51] <jmcnaught> tabb: using Debian 10.6 with GNOME
here and if I set "Blank screen" to 1 minute (under
Settings, Power) then it fades to black and turns off the monitor,
and locks the screen.
91 [01:27:11] <jmcnaught> tabb: does the monitor turn off if you
lock the screen with Super+L ?
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99 [01:38:47] <tabb> Llyes jmcnaught super+l lock the screen
100 [01:40:02] <jmcnaught> Does the monitor turn off when the
screen is locked?
101 [01:40:26] <tabb> with super+l yes
102 [01:40:33] <tabb> but not if i only idle
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104 [01:43:18] <jmcnaught> Normally I have "Blank
screen" set to "Never", but I tested it on my desktop
and laptop set to "1 minute". Both systems turned the
display off a few seconds after fading to black.
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107 [01:44:31] <tabb> strange..
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112 [01:47:36] <tabb> and where can i turn off the activites
button?
113 [01:48:55] <jmcnaught> With an extension. "apt search
gnome-shell-extension" or
replaced-url
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115 [01:50:07] <jmcnaught> Configure extentions in the
"Tweaks" program.
116 [01:50:13] <tabb> thanks
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202 [03:17:23] <euzao> hey
203 [03:17:28] <euzao> <euzao> I am having a problem using
MATE on Debian Stable. I am getting this error while using
mate-power-statistics
204 [03:17:35] <euzao>
GDbus.error:org.freedesktop.Upower.GeneralError:cannot enable
timerstats
205 [03:17:49] <euzao> I am running latest Debian Stable with
Linux 5.8 from backports
206 [03:19:08] <alex11> does it cause any problems to happen or
is it just a generic warning?
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208 [03:19:20] <euzao> just a generic warning, nothing happens.
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212 [03:19:49] <alex11> by nothing happens do you mean
mate-power-statistics doesn't launch? or just that the message
doesn't seem to affect anything?
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214 [03:20:51] <euzao> it does launch, but it shows that error.
Take a look:
replaced-url
215 [03:21:25] <euzao> Is that how it goes?
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228 [03:28:19] <alex11> normally i wouldn't worry too much
about a random message but there don't appear to be any entries
in power statistics
229 [03:28:31] <alex11> so that's probably a problem
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260 [03:58:18] <monoxane> hey all, one of my servers has been
dropping a *LOT* of packets recently, monitoring is showing over
10%, im currently observing it with dropwatch and most of them are
related to neigh_invalidate, which i think is related to ARP. the
server has a native VLAN and 1 tagged VLAN over an active LACP bond,
ive tried removing the tagged vlan and reducing
261 [03:58:18] <monoxane> it to a single unbound connection but
that didnt make a functional different to the droprate. any ideas?
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311 [04:38:39] <kingsley> My artistic interpretation of
Debian's cool swirl logo is at
312 [04:38:48] <kingsley>
replaced-url
313 [04:39:13] <alex11> that's cool
314 [04:39:41] <ltl2> I like it
315 [04:41:13] <kingsley> alex11: Thanks. If it would be
comfortable, convenient, and all those good things, feel free to
critique its individual artistic aspects. You know: color,
composition, depth, etc...
316 [04:41:30] <kingsley> ltl2: You too.
317 [04:41:35] <weaselhtml> well, I've poisoned this bouncer
318 [04:41:36] <alex11> the bright green text is maybe a bit too
prominent
319 [04:41:39] <weaselhtml> time to IP hop to bypass bans :D
320 [04:41:45] <sponix> kingsley: there is some sort of logo
contest going on right now for the Debian 11 logo (see phoronix for
a link). They already have like 12 to choose from on this one, but
you might try to get in on the next one
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322 [04:42:35] <kingsley> sponix: Thanks. That all makes sense.
Yes, the current contest inspired mine.
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325 [04:56:04] <kingsley> alex11: I read your very nice comment
and spent a few minutes experimenting with ways to make the bright
green text in my swirl logo less prominent. I tried different color,
and various color gradients. I found some that were less prominent,
but IMHO, seemed less legible. Feel free to suggest a specific
improvement, or better yet, edit my draft!
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331 [05:09:57] <weaselhtml> GIVE ME A K-LINE
332 [05:09:57] <weaselhtml> GIVE ME A K-LINE
333 [05:09:58] <weaselhtml> GIVE ME A K-LINE
334 [05:09:58] <weaselhtml> GIVE ME A K-LINE
335 [05:09:59] <weaselhtml> GIVE ME A K-LINE
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388 [06:48:05] <alex11> how are dependencies actually determined
in debian?
389 [06:48:15] <alex11> i assume the maintainer doesn't just
guess
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392 [06:51:55] <well_laid_lawn> generally the people who wrote
the program list the dependencies
393 [06:52:43] <well_laid_lawn> building the program will have
the compiler producing errors if dependencies aren't met
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405 [07:13:25] <n4dir> alex11: probably out of date, i don't
know, but that is the general idea, as far i can tell:
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406 [07:14:28] <n4dir> else something like an INSTALL or README
in the source code often contains such info, of course
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455 [08:27:10] <iamjfk11> -.-
456 [08:28:41] <alex11> -_-
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482 [08:56:35] <danuan> trying to figure out if there is a way of
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549 [09:56:15] <tlatelolco> Hello! I ha
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561 [10:05:29] <ratrace> you wha
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563 [10:06:10] <jelly> danuan: even if you start it, it
won't work without portmap / rpcbind
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565 [10:07:43] <danuan> works fine if i start nfs-kernel-server
while portmap is running ,, and then kill portmap and all rpc stuff
, nfs-kernel-server keeps on running just fine till next reboot with
any problems on clients
566 [10:08:03] <danuan> and all documentation online says portmap
is not needed for nfsv4
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569 [10:09:14] <ratrace> danuan: is there a systemd service unit
for it?
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571 [10:10:16] <danuan> sorry nonsystemd, devuan but figured you
guys might know
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573 [10:11:14] <jelly> danuan: I bet no new clients can connect
if portmap does not advertise where nfs server is.
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575 [10:11:23] <jelly> !devuan
576 [10:11:24] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
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578 [10:12:13] <jelly> danuan: we try to avoid answering
questions about derivative distros because we don't know what
was changed
579 [10:12:51] <jelly> (also, don't want to be overwhelmed
by ubuntu users)
580 [10:15:12] <ratrace> I don't try, I actively avoid and
shame. :)
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582 [10:15:21] <ratrace> I don't *just try ...
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624 [11:35:58] <gvth> Hi; I have a pdf-document with four pages
and I need this document as a one-pager where all of the pages are
catenated horizontally. Is there a simple command line for this or
isn't this so trivial?
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626 [11:36:41] <themill> pdfnup should be able to do that
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628 [11:38:29] <themill> it's in texlive-extra-utils;
"pdfnup --nup 4x1" would be the starting point; you might
want other options about sizes, offsets, margins, frames, headers,
footers.
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631 [11:40:43] <gvth> uh, installing texlive-extra-utils with its
dependancies takes almost one GiB of disk space...
632 [11:41:56] <jelly> if it were postscript, psutils:
/usr/bin/psnup
633 [11:42:10] * jelly did not know about its sibling
634 [11:42:13] <gvth> I installed it --without-recommends
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641 [11:50:17] <themill> yeah, lots of texlive turns into lots :(
I've generally already got it all installed so pdfnup is my
go-to tool
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645 [11:55:24] <gvth> interestingly I catenated two sites
side-by-side but pdfjam included a white area above and below...
646 [11:56:35] <gvth> How do I tell pdfnup to just catenate two
pages (and four pages later on) without adding anything else?
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648 [11:57:15] <gvth> I just issued 'pdfnup --nup 2x1
source.pdf'
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653 [12:03:07] <na> I'm having trouble installing nvidia
drivers (nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver and friends) on my optimus
laptop running on testing with kernel 5.9.0-1-amd64. apt is
reporting errors with the -kernel-dkms and -driver packages
specifically. Looking through the logs it looks like the kernel
module is failing to build, and that the nvidia-persistenced daemon
isn't running because libnvidia-cfg.so.1 is
654 [12:03:09] <na> missing. Googling brought up bugs #969894 and
#969889 which seem to be marked as fixed :/ Is this a known-ish
problem with a known-ish workaround, or have I stepped on a new and
exiting graphics landmine?
655 [12:03:10] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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666 [12:17:10] <slimep> hrm, is there something specific I need
to do otehr than setting "dns=default \n
rc-manager=symlink" in NetworkManager's config to have a
resolvconf in `/run/NetworkManager/` that I can symlink to
/etc/resolv.conf ? Just checking the logs, it does seem that
NetworkManager is reading the config correctly, but /etc/resolv.conf
seems to still be a plain file that isn't managed by
NetworkManager
667 [12:17:20] <slimep> this is on Debian 10
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673 [12:22:01] <ratrace> slimep: maybe you have to delete
resolv.conf first so NM can create a symlink? I don't think NM
will delete existing file
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675 [12:23:00] <slimep> I did delete /etc/resolv.conf and
restarted, but nothing changed :/
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677 [12:23:25] <lupulo> slimep, it is not necessary reboot
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680 [12:26:53] <lupulo> slimep, default is a single file (not
symlink) /etc/resolv.conf
681 [12:26:53] <lupulo> slimep, you could write again like
682 [12:26:53] <lupulo> echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 >
/etc/resolv.conf
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684 [12:26:53] <lupulo> after you try ping
replaced-url
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690 [12:27:13] <lupulo> slimep, perhaps do you ask about
systemd-resolved
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693 [12:27:47] <slimep> no, if I set `rc-manager` to `symlink`,
it should be a symlink to /run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf, as per
the manpage for NetworkManager.conf
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695 [12:27:51] <ratrace> lupulo: stop with the bad advice pls. NM
does create symlinks if so instructed
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699 [12:28:23] <lupulo> ratrace, default no
700 [12:28:30] <lupulo> he means that
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703 [12:29:21] <slimep> lupulo: I suggest you read the manpage
for the config of NetworkManager :)
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706 [12:30:06] <ratrace> slimep: are you trying to use resolved
or dnsmasq?
707 [12:30:18] <ratrace> do you perhaps have resolvconf package
that might mess up with resolv.conf ?
708 [12:31:22] <genr8_> my /etc/resolv.conf just has a line in it
that says: # Generated by NetworkManager (no symlink)
709 [12:32:15] <ratrace> which is another point, symlinks
aren't required without systemd-resolved iirc
710 [12:32:33] <genr8_> yea im not using that.
711 [12:32:38] <slimep> ratrace: I'm not using
systemd-resolved or dnsmasq, I'm trying to convince my program
that DNS is indeed managed by NetworkManager
712 [12:32:44] <ratrace> so if you want dnsmasq for example, then
resolv.conf is static file. or one could use dns=none and manage
resolv.conf manually
713 [12:33:06] <ratrace> slimep: NM doesn't itself do that,
it uses either resolved, dnsmasq, unbound, or none, iirc.
714 [12:33:33] <slimep> NM itself does manage /etc/resolv.conf
when configured to do that, but it seems that in my case it's
not doing that.
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716 [12:34:02] <genr8_> i didnt have to do anything for that to
work
717 [12:34:02] <slimep> I know that it can be made to do that,
because I've seen problem reports for an application I'm
developing that's having issues with that specific config on
debian 10
718 [12:34:10] <slimep> and now I can't reproduce it :D
719 [12:34:23] <ratrace> slimep: does manage etc/resolv.conf !=
"DNS managed by NetworkManager" ... or perhaps I
misunderstood what you meant, a lot of people throw around
"DNS" to mean multiple different things :)
720 [12:34:36] <ratrace> in what I meant was NM is not a resolver
721 [12:34:51] <slimep> Oh, yes, NM is not a resolver.
722 [12:34:54] <ratrace> resolv.conf is either static (manual) or
eg defined by dhcp
723 [12:34:58] <genr8_> judging by the timestamps,
/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf is created, then copied over .001
seconds later to /etc/resolv.conf
724 [12:35:16] <slimep> I have no resolv.conf in
/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf
725 [12:35:40] <genr8_> well undo everything you did manually and
go back to stock :P
726 [12:35:41] <ratrace> the question here is whether it's a
(forced) symlink or a regular file under /etc/
727 [12:35:44] <slimep> the application will see if there exists
a file in /var/NetworkManager/resolv.conf and compare it to
/etc/resolv.conf, which seems to work across a lot of distros and
versions of NM
728 [12:36:03] <slimep> and there is no "#Generated by
NetworkManager" in my /etc/resolv.conf
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730 [12:36:34] <genr8_> i did nothing with this, it just did it
all itself.
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732 [12:37:03] <genr8_> have you tried rebooting ?
733 [12:37:28] <slimep> I did reboot, yes.
734 [12:38:09] <slimep> That did not help with the issue.
735 [12:38:40] <ratrace> slimep: did you try with rc-manager=file
? any particular reason you want a symlink?
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738 [12:40:51] <slimep> ratrace, I'll try with that. The
reason I want the symlink because that seems to be the way most
other distros use NM by default (unless they use systemd-resolved),
which is what our daemon checks for. But I should probably change it
to also read the config over dbus to know what it should be checking
for.
739 [12:42:09] <ratrace> slimep: why change at all and not leave
the debian default?
740 [12:43:15] <genr8_> I have this line in my journactl -u
NetworkManager:
741 [12:43:18] <genr8_> NetworkManager[1131]: <info>
[1603779871.6566] dns-mgr[0x5c304354e900]: init: dns=default,
rc-manager=resolvconf
742 [12:44:01] <slimep> because I've received reports of
bugs with that configuration in Debian 10.
743 [12:44:21] <slimep> And I have a Oct 28 11:14:08 deb10
NetworkManager[425]: <info> [1603883648.6560]
dns-mgr[0x55edaa267910]: init: dns=default, rc-manager=symlink
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745 [12:44:59] <ratrace> slimep: what bugs? debian10
wouldn't be released with gnome as default DE if it wasn't
working, especially if NM wasn't
746 [12:45:01] <genr8_> perhaps the bug is not what you think
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749 [12:46:13] <slimep> ratrace: the bug is in code I'm
responsible for, in an application I'm developing, I'm
just trying to reproduce it :)
750 [12:46:27] <slimep> that's the reason why I'm
trying to get NM to behave in a particular way
751 [12:46:35] <slimep> I do apologize for not making it clear.
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754 [12:50:51] <lupulo> slimep, you could try to compile the
source and debug it, and send a bug if you want.
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755 [12:52:05] <lupulo> the license permits that of course.
756 [12:52:16] <ratrace> srsly.... what.
757 [12:53:26] <slimep> ratrace: I'm working on a vpn
client, (replaced-url
758 [12:53:37] <slimep> so I was trying to reproduce that, but it
seems like I can't.
759 [12:53:48] <genr8_> first of all, im using that client, and
its fine :)
760 [12:54:18] <genr8_> in fact what i referred to was
specifically while being managed under it
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762 [12:54:29] <genr8_> the user's config is bugged, so fix
them.
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764 [12:54:40] <ratrace> well there we go :)
765 [12:54:58] <ratrace> meanwhile, I'm sure there's a
better way to detect NM than checking for symlink
766 [12:55:12] <slimep> That's good to hear :) But I mostly
hear from users when stuff isn't working. And when it comes to
linux, the difference between the user configuring something wrongly
and there being a bug is rarely clear :/
767 [12:55:47] <slimep> ratrace: well, NM could be running, but
if it's running with rc-manager=symlink and the user got tired
of their changes not _sticking_ when they've edited
/etc/resolv.conf, that's the only sane thing to do.
768 [12:55:53] <genr8_> Theres questions of "Are they using
NetworkManager to manage their interfaces? with
ifupdown=managed" and then "are they using systemd-resolve
or not?"
769 [12:57:17] <genr8_> and in the past I've purposefully
tried to mess up my /etc/resolv.conf and NM always brings it back to
sanity whenever it does its thing
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771 [12:57:52] <slimep> I am really greatful for NM and
systemd-resolved attempting to have a nice interface to manage DNS
configs on machines in a somewhat standardized way, but a lot of
users don't share my feelings and try and hack their system to
work they want it to, and working on a solution that works for most
distributions for most users often means doing things which would be
highly discouraged by
772 [12:57:55] <slimep> NM/systemd/distro maintainers
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774 [12:58:15] <slimep> genr8_: you can lock the file so that NM
can't do anything about it.
775 [12:58:28] <genr8_> what do you mean by lock
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777 [12:59:38] <slimep> chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf or whichever
flag one might need to prevent anything from changing
/etc/resolv.conf
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779 [12:59:55] <genr8_> hmm. thats news to me, thanks
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784 [13:01:50] <genr8_> i think you're in a lose lose
situation of finding bugs for users who broke their system into an
unsupported configuration and you're trying to support
something without being able to reproduce it
785 [13:02:28] <slimep> There is no spec for what's a
supported configuration, only specific amounts of support emails
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787 [13:04:24] <slimep> At least it's not manjaro, which
seemingly by default doesn't load nftables, or Ubuntu 14.04,
where nftables is loaded, rules can be loaded via netlink
superficially, but no rules get applied.
788 [13:04:44] <genr8_> you have to think like a broken person.
what do people do that are stuck in the past ? set up their
interfaces manually through /e/n/i but then still use network
manager
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792 [13:06:14] <slimep> Pretty much. Anyway, I feel like this is
a bit too off-topic
793 [13:06:37] <genr8_> im out of ideas too
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795 [13:07:47] <lupulo> that is a bit like the capture the
resolv.conf
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797 [13:08:15] <genr8_> very contrived :)
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824 [13:22:56] <genr8_> This is an open bug, possibly related
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825 [13:24:41] <genr8_> Also
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827 [13:25:15] <slimep> I believe that bug to be mostly related
to the fact that NetworkManager starts soon after mullvad-daemon,
and NM tries to do it's network connectivity check whilst
mullvad is trying to connect to a tunnel.
828 [13:25:27] <slimep> But this is a discussion that's best
reserved for #mullvad
829 [13:25:39] <genr8_> I either found the supposed bug thread
you're working on or another very similar one
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830 [13:26:22] <genr8_> that could be the crucial piece to the
puzzle. Buster != Testing
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848 [13:49:09] <taman> Is there a guide or example of how to do
this <replaced-url
849 [13:49:50] <taman> Specifically, with /etc/network/interfaces
?
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867 [14:02:58] <genr8_> the commands listed have to go in a
script .sh file, with a hook, likely /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
868 [14:03:00] <zedboy> Hate to sound old but it's a shame
IRC disappeared
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870 [14:03:43] <genr8_> only a young person would actually say
that
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872 [14:04:46] <zedboy> genr8_ 20 years ago there was tons of
activity in #debian, you could get any question answered in seconds.
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874 [14:05:21] <ratrace> you just got a question asnwered in <
60 seconds
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880 [14:07:20] <zedboy> but I can see no one else is asking or
answering. Can't be because there's less people using
today....
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882 [14:07:36] <ksk> Github CEO did even join IRC the other day,
so it must still be good for something :P
883 [14:07:37] <ratrace> probably
884 [14:07:41] <genr8_> it isnt. there 1172 people in here
885 [14:07:59] <ratrace> zedboy: it also depends on the question
"demands". if it's some obscure knowledge it may tke
a while until someone with it comes along
886 [14:08:23] <genr8_> the internet also grew by 1000 orders of
magnitude, like the expansion of the universe, theres more things to
do, whereas IRC was one of the main things 20 years ago
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888 [14:08:30] <ratrace> there's 1172 people but 1159 are
bots :)
889 [14:08:47] <H4ndy> it's also mid day in Europe and early
morning in NAM, most people are either working or not awake yet
890 [14:09:43] <zedboy> ratrace it's just so bloody quiet,
except for us discussing how quiet it is.
891 [14:10:13] <genr8_> thats good. it means people learned how
to use google instead
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893 [14:10:27] <zedboy> (I actually just resurrected my nick for
old time's sake, I wanted the Apache SOLR channel but
that's dead and the last annoucement is circa 2018)
894 [14:10:38] <zedboy> genr8_ for sure to a certain degree
895 [14:11:34] <H4ndy> I solve 98% of my linux problems with the
Ubuntu wiki these days 🤷
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897 [14:11:35] <genr8_> other distros also took over
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899 [14:12:08] <zedboy> genr8_ great so now you're
justifying the heresy :-)
900 [14:13:07] <zedboy> H4ndy there used to be some excellent
regular contributors based in Europe. But again I'm really old.
901 [14:13:13] <genr8_> Linux Marketshare is still like the same
2% it always was, split between 50 distros
902 [14:14:02] <zedboy> genr8_ not in the server space. And the
number of installed systems is way way up. The poor kids have just
never heard of IRC.
903 [14:14:36] <ksk> You might also have heard about that
"Android" thingy ;)
904 [14:14:43] <jmcnaught> There are busier channels, but #debian
also has a #debian-offtopic channel and tries to keep the
discussions that are not technical support to a minimum.
905 [14:14:47] <genr8_> blame the normies who took over with
their phones and "Apps"
906 [14:15:01] <genr8_> or whoever failed to invent an IRC client
that could compete with Discord
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911 [14:15:52] <taman> genr8_, if you've done it yourself,
could you paste your config?
912 [14:16:01] <H4ndy> both have their space. IRC is not really
multi-device friendly without the right client, I don't blame
people to prefer Discord, Slack, etc. over IRC
913 [14:16:19] <H4ndy> I am just here because I am here since 20
years or so
914 [14:16:49] <genr8_> taman, i have not done it. i also looked
for a general example for about a minute for you and didnt find one
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916 [14:17:13] <taman> genr8_, thanks. Nor did I, that's why
I asked :)
917 [14:17:52] <ratrace> H4ndy: how does one one-finger
type/swipe on a cellphone...... irc is a ten finger endeavor
918 [14:18:18] <genr8_> its gonna have to be synthesized using
your brain. search for "ifupdown /etc/network/interfaces
if-pre-up.d scripts"
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921 [14:19:26] <H4ndy> ratrace: I am currently using it just fine
on my phone
922 [14:19:55] <H4ndy> for causal chatting it's fine, I
would not provide elaborate problem solutions on my phone of course
923 [14:20:02] <ratrace> you're also not providing hours
long support with thousands of charactres typed, in #debian :)
924 [14:20:39] <ratrace> and irc is more or less used for that
these days, plus occasional banter in an -offtopic or -chat
side-channel
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926 [14:21:33] <genr8_> i tried to lead a #back2IRC movement with
people I know and failed.
927 [14:21:55] <ratrace> is that a twatter hashtag or an irc
chan? :)
928 [14:22:16] <slimep> a slack channel!
929 [14:22:18] <genr8_> hashtag to indicate a call to action
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932 [14:24:22] <zedboy> I am ecstatic to see someone is home over
here. But IRC usership is way down. Wiki cites a 30-fold drop from
the peak in 2003.
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934 [14:26:10] <ratrace> Well... I just have it set up the way I
want, okay?
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935 [14:27:23] <zedboy> ratrace yah.
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942 [14:33:13] <genr8_> it would be interesting to invent a
Reddit+IRC hybrid
943 [14:34:02] <H4ndy> no thank you, Reddit is already...
unsuitable for discussion
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946 [14:35:11] <genr8_> its the closest concept to being
salvageable and once people realize they need to get off centralized
platforms, we need to have alternatives ready
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949 [14:38:07] <H4ndy> I heard 2021 will be the year of Matrix
950 [14:38:39] <H4ndy> right after the Linux Desktop becomes
mainstream ;-)
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952 [14:43:24] <zedboy> H4ndy you are a few months off. Nov 5
will probably cover it. Just gotta figure out who registered sky.net
953 [14:44:03] <H4ndy> Time to buy Cyberdyne Systems stocks
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970 [14:58:57] <tramplefoot> is there a package i need
specifically to set-up hotspots with networkmanager?
971 [14:59:23] <tramplefoot> im trying to connect my phone to my
hotspot but it keeps saying dhcp lookup failed
972 [14:59:26] <tramplefoot> i installed dnsmasq
973 [14:59:29] <tramplefoot> and openresolv
974 [14:59:34] <tramplefoot> but no quarter
975 [15:00:40] <zedboy> tramplefoot: you want your phone to get
network from your debian machine? or your debian machine from your
phone?
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977 [15:00:57] <tramplefoot> hotspot on my debian machine
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980 [15:01:14] <tramplefoot> im trying to connect it to my phone
981 [15:01:25] <tramplefoot> i mean im trying to connect my phone
to it
982 [15:02:02] <tramplefoot> i just disabled ipv6 on the hotspot
but it still does not work
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985 [15:04:11] <zedboy> tramplefoot: hostapd?
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991 [15:10:46] <nobyk> You guys on Matrix? :D
992 [15:10:49] <nobyk> how is it
993 [15:10:57] <nobyk> "Just works" ?
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996 [15:11:45] <Enissay> I am using this to search for a given
text in files: `grep -rnw '/my/search/folder/' -e
'12564D'` ==> However that directory is so hug and is
taking very long for simple search text. Is there a way to search
only files modified since last week for instance or starting from a
given date ?
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1007 [15:15:05] <clarkk> how can I delete this UFW rule
programmatically, without using the rule number? ufw deny out to
192.168.1.254/32 port 53
1008 [15:15:52] <genr8_> both of you: learn scripting
1009 [15:16:19] <clarkk> genr8_, ??
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1016 [15:18:41] <genr8_> To delete a rule, simply prefix the
original rule with delete
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1022 [15:24:03] <jhutchins> nobyk: What's "Matrix"?
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1026 [15:24:49] <genr8_>
replaced-url
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1029 [15:27:08] <genr8_> Enissay, something like "find
/my/search/folder/ -mtime 7 -exec grep -rnwe '12564D' {}
+"
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1034 [15:30:08] <clarkk> genr8_, thank you
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1060 [15:45:54] <neilthereildeil> hey guys. is it a bad idea to
add a SWAP partition on a RAID5 volume? Can any of the code/data in
the RAID5 driver or storage stack be paged out? If it can, i will
end up with a page fault that will generate page faults.
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1067 [15:48:29] <na> Is there a best practices/common gotchas
guide for apt pinning?
1068 [15:48:29] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: no, the kernel
won't page itself out. the only question of "bad
idea" here is of performance
1069 [15:48:49] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: swap is typically
transient so do you need raid5 for it? or can you designate 2 drives
and mirror it?
1070 [15:49:02] <ratrace> na: yes: "don't"
1071 [15:49:45] <neilthereildeil> well, my RAID5 volume contains
my root partition and my bootloader etc
1072 [15:50:06] <neilthereildeil> i dont care much about backing
up the RAID partition, but RAID5 is all i have
1073 [15:50:09] <neilthereildeil> will it work?
1074 [15:50:38] <neilthereildeil> and also, how big should my SWAP
partition be?
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1078 [15:51:57] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: it should work, yes.
how big? depends on your use case. typically a few MB just to help
page out unused stuff, not to relieve of large memory pressure. if
you wanna hybernate, then you'll need RAM size in swap
1079 [15:52:09] <ratrace> eh... few GB lol
1080 [15:52:24] <neilthereildeil> this is a server with 480GB RAM
and will never hibernate
1081 [15:52:29] <ratrace> like, 5GB or maybe 10GB if you know
you'll be paging out lotsa stuff
1082 [15:52:44] <mtlsw> ratrace, its' called
"hibernate" :P
1083 [15:52:46] <neilthereildeil> theres one application that
keeps running out of memory and keeps getting killed because theres
no SWAP
1084 [15:53:00] <ratrace> mtlsw: y dnot caer ;:)
1085 [15:53:15] <mtlsw> neilthereildeil, 480GB of ram, that's
insane
1086 [15:53:20] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: at 480GB what on earth
is that?
1087 [15:53:20] <neilthereildeil> yea LOL
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1089 [15:53:30] <neilthereildeil> its awesome
1090 [15:53:40] <ratrace> I mean what is the app that's
OOM'ing
1091 [15:53:41] <mtlsw> neilthereildeil, you have a picture you
can post on imgur?
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1093 [15:53:51] <mtlsw> neilthereildeil, on the motherboard+ram on
that thing? lol
1094 [15:53:57] * ratrace looks at its 1TB RAM servers and yawns
1095 [15:54:02] <mtlsw> neilthereildeil, otherwise i'm
calling bs XD lol
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1097 [15:54:31] <neilthereildeil> the app thats OOMing is a python
app that tries to take like 12GB RAM
1098 [15:54:47] <neilthereildeil> its not unreasonable to try to
take 12GB RAM for a busy process
1099 [15:54:54] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: and how much is
"available" under `free -m` ?
1100 [15:55:02] <mtlsw> ok kidd -- then you're not want of
those data-center admins who do actually have petabytes of ram
storage then -- just another punk on the internet. :))
1101 [15:55:13] <neilthereildeil> ive only allocated 12GB RAM for
Linux
1102 [15:55:21] <ratrace> mtlsw: do you have a support question?
or are you here only to shit on random posters?
1103 [15:55:41] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: well then that's
your problem and swap won't help you there
1104 [15:55:47] <mtlsw> ratrace, my new debian-promotional video
replaced-url
1105 [15:55:52] <mtlsw> ratrace, I don't shit. I paint.
1106 [15:55:57] <neilthereildeil> ratrace: no, i think it is SWAP
1107 [15:55:58] <ratrace> dc;wc
1108 [15:56:17] <neilthereildeil> if an app needs > 12GB of
RAM< its killed
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1110 [15:56:23] <neilthereildeil> thats the issue
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1112 [15:56:37] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: you just said you only
allocated 12GB for linux?
1113 [15:56:41] <na> ratrace: I'm running testing. If I want
working 3D graphics, my current options are "pull down a
package from unstable that unbreaks the driver package",
"downgrade my kernel", or "wait a week for the
package to move into testing". Do you have any *useful*
suggestions? Or was that just how you say "no, I don't
have anything useful to say here"?
1114 [15:56:41] <neilthereildeil> yea
1115 [15:56:50] <ratrace> so you have 12GB "for linux"
(I'm assuming a VM?), and a python app wants 12GB of it
1116 [15:56:50] <neilthereildeil> lemme try something else...
1117 [15:57:06] <neilthereildeil> for the host running Linux and
python, yes
1118 [15:57:08] <ratrace> yeah no, you need 12GB available, and
NOT rely on swapping out in such extremely tight memory environment
1119 [15:57:30] <mtlsw> na: unstable is actually more dangerous
than testing, so that's why someone told you to pull a package
from it than adding an unstable repo..
1120 [15:57:38] <neilthereildeil> ratrace: maybe you're
right...
1121 [15:57:58] <ratrace> !tell na about ssb
1122 [15:58:06] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: pretty sure i'm
right
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1124 [15:58:45] <mtlsw> na: i wouldn't take ratrace's
advice seriously. You are using packages beyond backports when you
say you are using testing.
1125 [15:58:55] <ratrace> you _could_ in theory use swap assuming
that python app would actually need less than 12GB of active pages
but that's totally artificial and needlessly constrained
environment
1126 [15:58:56] <mtlsw> tsk.
1127 [15:59:23] <ratrace> testing or not, !ssb applies
1128 [15:59:36] <na> mtlsw: This is self motivated :P I
encountered the breakage today, and discovered the fix had *also*
been uploaded today
1129 [15:59:44] <na> It's definitely not in backports in any
case
1130 [15:59:51] <bloony> I'm running a debian image in docker
and want to install python3-pip, but it cannot find that package..
tried with python-pip also.. do I need to add some repo? I have done
apt-get update
1131 [15:59:52] <neilthereildeil> ratrace: since im clearly going
for performance, i think i should allocate more RAM to linux host
than 12GB
1132 [15:59:59] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: definitely
1133 [16:00:00] <neilthereildeil> so everything is resident rather
than swapped out
1134 [16:00:17] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: active pagest at least.
some inactive ones are good to be paged out
1135 [16:00:45] <mtlsw> neilthereildeil, btw, when you are using
virtual machines, they're called "guests", not
"host", -- the "host" is only one being the
hypervisor, unless you want to talk with other contexts.
1136 [16:01:15] <neilthereildeil> nah, im talking about the host
here. im running python on it and have allocated 12GB RAM for it
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1138 [16:01:27] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: just ignore the troll
:)
1139 [16:01:43] <mtlsw> ratrace, hybernator.
1140 [16:01:55] <mtlsw> neilthereildeil, at least when speaking
with matured adults.
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1142 [16:02:12] <mtlsw> (which ratrace obviously isn't. He
can't a single word correctly.)
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1147 [16:08:22] <mtlsw> bloony, apt-file update, apt-file search
python-pip or python3-pip
1148 [16:08:50] <mtlsw> bloony, checked here -- it is available in
buster.
1149 [16:08:51] <mtlsw> .
1150 [16:09:02] <mtlsw> bloony, you probably dont have your repos
set correctly.
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1153 [16:10:16] <mtlsw> na, curious just how well does it install
testing? it won't be available yet as release-announce
freeze-candidacy at least for another couple of months..
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1178 [16:31:29] <jlevon> hi, how do I edit debconf for grub
package?
1179 [16:31:47] <jlevon> interactively
1180 [16:32:22] <genr8_> dpkg-reconfigure ?
1181 [16:32:45] <mtlsw> jlevon, you mean /etc/default/grub ?
1182 [16:32:49] <jlevon> mtlsw: no
1183 [16:33:04] <jlevon> genr8_: dpkg-reconfigure grub-common just
returns, doing nothing
1184 [16:33:58] <genr8_> im unsure of the goal
1185 [16:34:10] <jlevon> oh, you have to use grub-efi-amd64
1186 [16:34:29] <mtlsw> jlevon, that's if you use gpt/efi
systems
1187 [16:34:41] <jlevon> genr8_: trying to work around this bug
replaced-url
1188 [16:34:55] <jlevon> though it didn't actually ask me
about the bogus values
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1202 [16:41:23] <ratrace> jlevon: does that bug exist in debian?
1203 [16:41:25] <genr8_> debian doesnt work on that
1204 [16:41:43] <genr8_> with*/from*
1205 [16:42:06] <jlevon> this is ubuntu specific stuff? sorry for
the noise then.,
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1207 [16:42:41] <genr8_> yep, just checked as best i could. theres
no "install_devices" on debian
1208 [16:43:03] <jlevon> ok thanks.
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1213 [16:45:33] <genr8_> we have no
/usr/lib/grub/grub-multi-install either.
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1223 [16:53:15] <genr8_> theres only 1 true grub, and thats
/etc/default/grub :)
1224 [16:53:31] <jelly> ,file grub-multi-install --release sid
1225 [16:53:36] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with
that file.
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1232 [16:56:01] <genr8_> I sorta wonder if theres a related script
in the installer though, because our /etc/fstab is populated with a
/boot UUID with a comment # /boot was on /dev/nvme0n1p1 during
installation
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1236 [16:57:13] <genr8_> so it seems to detect the grub partition
only once on install, and then hardcode it until we muck with it
ourself. no debconf.
1237 [16:57:53] <unperson> is there a way that i can reliably
change my hostname without rebooting?
1238 [16:58:07] <jelly> unperson: short answer no
1239 [16:58:15] <jelly> !hostname
1240 [16:58:15] <dpkg> Use «hostname foo» to set the
hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create
/etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up
local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname',
or ask me about <mailname>.
replaced-url
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1242 [16:58:38] <unperson> kk
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1244 [16:58:40] <unperson> thx
1245 [16:59:03] <jelly> some processes read it once when they
start and don't look to see if it changed later
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1247 [16:59:16] <unperson> ok
1248 [16:59:16] <genr8_> yea, starting with systemd
1249 [16:59:52] <jelly> systemd is _probably_ a rare one which
might or might not listen to changes done via hostnamectl
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1251 [17:00:11] <genr8_> true
1252 [17:00:24] <genr8_> that might be enough ?
1253 [17:00:28] <unperson> im working on a script that uses
hostnamectl but also manually edits /etc/hosts and creates a new
xauth token
1254 [17:00:31] <jelly> but most services, even shells need
restarting
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1258 [17:00:47] <jelly> oh right, and even X server
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1260 [17:01:06] <genr8_> probably DBus.
1261 [17:01:13] <jelly> my prompt in zsh does not change until I
exec it anew
1262 [17:01:17] <unperson> i've had some trouble running root
apps/even logging back into that user account after logging out
though
1263 [17:01:44] <jelly> yeah, just avoid it if possible
1264 [17:01:44] <unperson> i actually had to set the hostname back
to the default one from root account
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1266 [17:02:10] <unperson> well i want to set a new hostname/mac
at the touch of a button
1267 [17:02:21] <jelly> that is a bit weird. I'd expect sudo
to be affected, but not logging in
1268 [17:02:31] <unperson> disable networking, assign new values,
then enable networking
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1270 [17:03:00] <jelly> you'll have to figure out which
services need restarting, and it might be "most"
1271 [17:03:11] <genr8_> i mean you could like shut down an entire
tree of processes but at that point thats a lot of stuff.
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1273 [17:03:41] <unperson> i feel like maybe i should just run
this script on shutdown instead
1274 [17:03:49] <genr8_> yep
1275 [17:04:03] <genr8_> i made one to change my Machine-ID on
shutdown, similar concept
1276 [17:04:04] <unperson> so that each new boot gives a new lan
identity instead of being able to do this on the fly
1277 [17:04:11] <unperson> kk
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1279 [17:04:40] <unperson> well thanks for the help :)
1280 [17:04:41] <r0b0> hello, I am trying to set up a site-to-site
tunnel using strongswan, everything looks connected but when I ping
the other side, I get Destination Host Unreachable from my own
tunnel IP address
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1285 [17:07:32] <genr8_> unperson, this was my systemd script
replaced-url
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1288 [17:10:27] <genr8_> r0b0, ICMP ping can be blocked at a
firewall
1289 [17:13:13] <r0b0> genr8_, yes, but why would that Destination
Host Unreachable be generated from my own IP addres? if it was a
firewall, I would usualy just get no reply
1290 [17:14:04] <r0b0> I got the instructions from the provider,
the only thing I changed is leftsubnet & rightsubnet - the
provider said to use 0.0.0.0/0 in both
1291 [17:14:31] <r0b0> I narrowed it down - I don't want to
tunnel all traffic
1292 [17:14:40] <imMute> r0b0: you get a Destination Host
Unreachable from yourself when your routing table doesn't cover
the destination address
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1294 [17:14:49] <genr8_> you've mucked up your split tunnel
routes then
1295 [17:15:07] <r0b0> but maybe I misunderstand what
left|rightsubnet means in ipsec.conf
1296 [17:15:43] <r0b0> ip route get 172.31.42.73 =>
172.31.42.73 dev AWS_Tunnel1 src 169.254.156.190
1297 [17:16:07] <r0b0> 172 is the address on the other side of the
tunnel, 169.254.156.190 is my tunnel IP address
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1301 [17:20:16] <genr8_> i could be wrong but I dont think that
logic holds
1302 [17:20:46] <genr8_> paste the results of "ip route"
to
replaced-url
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1304 [17:21:41] <r0b0>
replaced-url
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1306 [17:22:09] <r0b0> the 10.* routes can be ignored
1307 [17:22:21] <r0b0> that's a different vpn
1308 [17:23:10] <r0b0> maybe I need src 169.254.156.190 in that
route to 172.31.0.0/16 ?
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1310 [17:24:05] <genr8_> im thinking something along those lines
too
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1317 [17:26:12] <r0b0> nope, didn't help
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1320 [17:27:25] <genr8_> well I still think thats more correct
than before. it could be something on the other end like rp_filter=0
or forwarding=0 or iptables or whatnot
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1322 [17:29:18] <genr8_> try using the OTHER end of the tunnel
instead of .190 (.189)
1323 [17:29:36] <genr8_> our brain could just be backwards
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1330 [17:32:42] <r0b0> this is ip addr
replaced-url
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1339 [17:36:36] <genr8_> well I honestly don't get why theres
a 195.168 and a 169.254 at the same time. Ive never used strongswan
1340 [17:36:55] <genr8_> you might just wanna use 0.0.0.0/0 real
quick and look at the routes and see what it wants to do normally
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1342 [17:37:21] <r0b0> I can't affort to muck up the default
route on this box, sorry :)
1343 [17:37:41] <r0b0> not now
1344 [17:37:44] <r0b0> not from home
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1347 [17:39:27] <r0b0> but I guess that's the logical thing
to do - when amazon says it should be 0.0.0.0/0 then I guess
they're right.. I'll do it when I'm at the console
someday
1348 [17:39:33] <genr8_> also, i've used openVPN before to
route two different networks together, and pushing foreign routes
wasnt enough, i had to use IPTables on the server that had access to
both networks to route packets
1349 [17:39:36] <r0b0> thanks anyway
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1351 [17:41:00] <genr8_> it might be tcpdump time.
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1357 [17:44:57] <genr8_> also as i said before, the values of
"sysctl -ar rp_filter" and "sysctl -ar
forwarding" seem relevant, but exact logic of it all is beyond
me at this point
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1400 [18:18:39] <NetTerminalGene> is DoH mature enough to enable
on firefox 78 ESR?
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1402 [18:19:14] <ksk> NetTerminalGene: since your question implies
its not enabled by default: No? :P
1403 [18:19:48] <NetTerminalGene> yes. they say it is enabled for
US users
1404 [18:20:07] <immychan> Hi, I'm having an issue with
Debian, I keep getting this audio stuttering whereby it'll cut
out for a second and then play the bit that cut out over the top of
what's supposed to be playing, any idea on what might be
happening?
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1406 [18:21:08] <ksk> immychan: Not too much into desktops, but
maybe
replaced-url
1407 [18:21:18] <immychan> thanks ^ ^
1408 [18:21:39] <NetTerminalGene> immychan: is your disk do job
when stuttering?
1409 [18:22:17] <immychan> Wdym?
1410 [18:23:15] <NetTerminalGene> my ssd is nearly dead. when it
does something in background it interrupt audio
1411 [18:23:36] <immychan> ah, nah my SSD is fine
1412 [18:23:51] <immychan> I'm gonna try the stuff on the
Pulseaudio page, thanks ^ ^
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1414 [18:24:23] <n4dir> i guess you already excluded that it is
related to one specific application
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1416 [18:24:51] <NetTerminalGene> n4dir: talking to me?
1417 [18:25:15] <n4dir> immychan, which seems to have logged out
already. Or i am too confused.
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1424 [18:27:17] <n4dir> but speaking of stuttering audio: if i do
too much synthesizer/DAW stuff at once, i get it. I will get me a
better PC soon. Anyone has an idea what specs would suffice for such
needs (audio creation, but nothing professional)
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1426 [18:28:00] <n4dir> different: is it rather RAM or rather CPU,
or the mixture of both? (probably that ...)
1427 [18:28:13] <greycat> I think it's usually the I/O bus.
1428 [18:28:40] <n4dir> greycat: thanks. The brutal truth is i got
no real idea what that is, but a searchterm. Again: thanks
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1444 [18:43:34] <Deyaa> Hello 💖💖
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1446 [18:44:27] <Deyaa> I'm trying to use tor with mitmproxy
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1473 [19:11:50] <zedboy> greycat: holy guacamole you are still
here?!
1474 [19:12:04] <greycat> Nope. You're hallucinating.
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1476 [19:13:11] <zedboy> greycat: slovenia still?
1477 [19:13:13] <jelly> avocado must have gone bad
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1483 [19:16:43] <zedboy> jelly: well, either it's bad now or
was bad the past couple times I've been on (less than 1x/yr
since end of 2001)
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1550 [20:05:34] <c-nister> hi in here, anyone some sparse time
left for a sudden problem since latest update/upgrade ?
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1552 [20:06:30] <nkuttler> !ask
1553 [20:06:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on
replaced-url
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1560 [20:11:34] <greycat> They're waiting for a victim to
pounce on.
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1562 [20:11:50] <c-nister> nkuttler, I have a thumbdrive with
debian on it. It hast sdx1 as boot, sdx2 as esp, sdx3 as LUKS with
LVM inside
1563 [20:12:28] <c-nister> nkuttler, since latest upgrade i cannot
boot it without advanced work in initramfs shell...
1564 [20:13:49] <c-nister> dpkg, just the same as previous
1565 [20:13:49] <dpkg> c-nister: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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1568 [20:14:28] <c-nister> dpgk, it drops me into initramfs shell,
saying, volume group cannot be found
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1570 [20:15:16] <c-nister> this is strange, i thought, that luks
is processed prior to my lvm, because it worked before the latest
upgrade, IIRC
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1588 [20:34:01] <c-nister> dpkg, any help left ?
1589 [20:34:02] <dpkg> c-nister: I wish you would RTFM.
1590 [20:34:12] <c-nister> dpkg, i did.
1591 [20:34:12] <dpkg> c-nister: I wish you would RTFM.
1592 [20:34:36] <c-nister> dpkg, it worked all before latest
upgrade
1593 [20:34:36] <dpkg> c-nister: wish i knew
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1595 [20:34:56] <alex11> c-nister, you're speaking to a bot
1596 [20:34:58] <sney> c-nister: dpkg is a bot, try describing
your issue with more than "it worked before"
1597 [20:35:13] <c-nister> AI bot ?
1598 [20:35:16] <alex11> yes
1599 [20:35:19] <greycat> and you're talking to someone named
"sinister"
1600 [20:35:24] <c-nister> interesting
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1602 [20:35:30] <sney> no AI, just call and response.
1603 [20:35:52] <c-nister> it's all about the C bout the C
...
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1605 [20:37:01] <c-nister> i have a problem, because since the
latest upgrade my encrypted lvm does not boot anymore, i always need
to pass the luks passphrase in initramfs shell. BETTER?
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1609 [20:39:39] <greycat> It's a start. Sadly I do not know a
single damned thing about LUKS. Are you on stable? You never said
which version of Debian. What package(s) were upgraded? Did you try
reverting the ones that might affect LUKS?
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1611 [20:40:27] <sney> or selecting the previous kernel in grub?
1612 [20:40:36] <c-nister> greycat, You mean me ?
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1614 [20:41:45] <sney> I don't see anyone else
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1618 [20:43:07] <c-nister> ok, guys, we wanna work together to
make this run ?
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1620 [20:43:52] <c-nister> i upgraded ALL, and even issued
update-initram
1621 [20:44:35] <greycat> all what?
1622 [20:44:38] <greycat> are you on stable?
1623 [20:44:51] <sney> c-nister: updates in debian are
asynchronous, so without you telling us, we don't know what
"all" is. check in /var/log/apt/history.log if you
don't remember what packages were upgraded. and answer
greycat's questions about debian version, please.
1624 [20:45:01] <c-nister> all is up to date, as it seems, but
when initramfs kicks in, it cannot boot and proceed to luks
decryption point, saying "volume group XYZ not found"
1625 [20:45:22] <greycat> I'm about to /ignore him because
he's obviously not running Debian at all.
1626 [20:46:08] <c-nister> i am on kernel 5.7.0. But i thing this
not debian related, it is just all over linux
1627 [20:46:16] <greycat> Yup. *plonk*
1628 [20:46:19] <ratrace> lol
1629 [20:47:15] <c-nister> greycat, this is what help needs to
look like, wow, never worked with that kind of pros before
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1653 [21:05:15] <jhutchins> ,kernels
1654 [21:05:16] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.9.0-rc8-686-pae (5.9~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-1-686
(5.9.1-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); buster-backports:
5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.8.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-12-686-pae
(4.19.152-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae
(4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686
(4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
1655 [21:05:17] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686
(4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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1658 [21:06:01] <jhutchins> Yup, not a current Debian kernel.
1659 [21:06:30] <jhutchins> Since Ubuntu just released, probably
not that either.
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1664 [21:07:52] <sney> there was a 5.7 in buster-backports for a
little while, I think. but still most likely some derivative.
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1666 [21:08:23] <sney> maybe pabs's -derivatives project will
make it easier to identify this stuff
1667 [21:08:26] <greycat> The fact that people are still
speculating about it should be enough evidence that this person
isn't running Debian.
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1677 [21:10:45] <jhutchins> I'm baffled by why people want to
encrypt the OS portion of their system. Data, sure, I can see that,
but separate it.
1678 [21:10:49] <dotcom> nothing wrong with a little mental
masturbation
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1680 [21:11:39] <alex11> *bandaid slap meme*
1681 [21:13:30] <sney> "encrypt everything, to be sure"
is not a bad place to start, which is probably why d-i does it that
way if you select encryption at that stage. you could have
credentials or private keys in /etc somewhere, personal info in
databases in /var, who knows
1682 [21:14:00] <sney> of course everyone should figure out their
threat model and harden against specific things, rather than being
general and hoping it works. but most won't, so a little
overkill is fine
1683 [21:14:12] <jhutchins> sney: It's always possible to
redirect data you want to protect.
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1687 [21:14:53] <jhutchins> sney: Yeah, until it doesn't boot
because the OS partition is encrypted.
1688 [21:15:04] <jhutchins> Then you've secured the system
from yourself.
1689 [21:15:36] <sney> the debian lvm+luks setup is very
recoverable as long as you still have the passphrase.
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1691 [21:16:37] <jhutchins> Which speaks to how often it fails.
1692 [21:17:07] <sney> this is a support channel, we get to see
the failures. people don't join #debian to tell us how
perfectly everything is working.
1693 [21:17:10] <NetTerminalGene> no fail on lvm luks for years
here
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1695 [21:17:17] <jayjo_> Is there a way to package a python
program that is using pyproject.toml (PEP 517, poetry) without a
setup.py?
1696 [21:17:48] <sney> jayjo_: for packaging questions, ask in
#packaging or #debian-mentors on OFTC (note, right now you are on
freenode) they will be able to give you more specific answers
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1699 [21:18:27] <jayjo_> sney: ok, thanks for your help
1700 [21:18:31] <sney> np
1701 [21:18:36] <jhutchins> sney: Well, occasionally we do see a
"Everything is great!" post, but you're right,
selection bias.
1702 [21:18:59] <jhutchins> sney: What I'm saying is that you
don't develop a suite of tools that make it easy to fix a
problem that never happens.
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1707 [21:21:47] <sney> jhutchins: I for one am thankful to
developers who include troubleshooting and recovery in their
designs.
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1770 [22:10:32] <jhutchins> Oh, yeah, it's great to have.
It's good that there are tools. It's just that they
don't exist without a need.
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1772 [22:12:19] <hmuller> truer words ...
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1774 [22:13:33] <jhutchins> Also: "I've never had any
trouble with it." Just means you have no idea how to fix it.
(Old rule from FidoNET days.)
1775 [22:15:20] <velix> apt install kebap
1776 [22:15:31] <jhutchins> sney: No disrespect intended.
1777 [22:15:49] <sney> none taken.
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1890 [23:18:07] <dob1> was bitchx in debian in older releases ?
1891 [23:18:22] <sney> once upon a time, I think
1892 [23:18:52] <dob1> I remember this too
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1894 [23:19:20] <dob1> I would like to know why it was removed
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1896 [23:19:37] <sney> according to snapshot, the last time it was
in debian was 1.1-5 in 2007
1897 [23:20:07] <dob1> so many years passed
1898 [23:20:30] <sney> ,bug rm ircii-pana
1899 [23:20:33] <judd> Bug
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1901 [23:21:18] <dob1> it was called in this way?
1902 [23:21:38] <sney> ircii-pana was the source package that
produced the bitchx binary package, apparently.
1903 [23:21:42] <dob1> ircii is another thing
1904 [23:22:27] <dob1> ah ok it's bitchx I read the second
message
1905 [23:22:29] <sney> see this link, under the heading
"binary packages"
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1906 [23:25:07] <dob1> sney, thanks for the infos, I remember this
client I used time ago and
1907 [23:25:15] <dob1> I was curious to know why it was removed
1908 [23:25:31] <sney> np
1909 [23:26:39] <jhutchins> I think irssi is a fork/redev of ircii
intended to address some issues.
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1911 [23:27:57] <sney> the ui/ux is basically the same. according
to wikipedia, bitchx (which started being maintained again a few
years after being removed from major distros) still doesn't
support unicode
1912 [23:28:01] <dob1> irssi was (is) different from bitchx , way
more user friendly
1913 [23:28:19] <sney> most people who want to use bitchx are
reading ancient docs, or experiencing nostalgia, imo
1914 [23:29:16] <jhutchins> I must say there's very little I
can complain about in irssi.
1915 [23:29:27] <dob1> I check their github repositories and they
are updated at most at 2013, so I think it's gone.. but in
debian it was removed time ago before 2013
1916 [23:29:53] <sney> development stopped in 2006-2007, then a
few years after someone started developing it again, then stopped
again
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1919 [23:32:21] <sney> there's the source for 1.2.1, released
in 2014. it's probably usable, if you don't need unicode.
but why bother when irssi exists
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