• 0[00:00:01] <freem> but sometimes I wonder if it's frozen or not, since I >/dev/null debootstrap
• 1[00:00:12] <freem> and I >/dev/null it because otherwise it just spams
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• 3[00:00:21] <ratrace> freem: do it the microsoft way :) count steps, not bytes lol. nice progress to 98% within first few minutes, then 3 hours for those last 2%
• 4[00:00:27] <freem> and the other day, someone here spoke about pv... so...
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• 6[00:01:12] <freem> with debootstrap, even showing steps would not be easy :)
• 7[00:01:19] <ratrace> I like the way how freebsd can be installed by unpacking two tarballs. and stage3 on gentoo.
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• 10[00:03:42] <freem> hum... looks like by using the tarball builder, I can avoid downloading 3 times /var/lib/apt/lists's content
• 11[00:03:43] <mrkramps> freem, from the first look, the deb list seems to be saved in a variable
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• 13[00:05:28] <freem> I find it preferable to avoid patching such a beast
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• 17[00:06:13] <freem> using official stuff as long as I have the choice seems a lot preferable to me
• 18[00:06:42] * f8e4 feels empowered with aa under the chest
• 19[00:07:43] <freem> hum... I tricked download step with a sed expression, but the install them will be require multiplying the number of packages... damn
• 20[00:08:03] * freem never remembers how to do math in shell
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• 24[00:10:08] <f8e4> freem python -c '1+1'
• 25[00:10:12] <freem> lol
• 26[00:10:21] <freem> man shell
• 27[00:10:44] <freem> man dash
• 28[00:10:47] <freem> actually
• 29[00:11:01] <f8e4> oh shell, not 'a shell
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• 31[00:11:30] <freem> also, I find $((1+1)) faster to write
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• 42[00:23:38] <deicide-> whats the website to post code?
• 43[00:23:44] <mrkramps> !paste
• 44[00:23:45] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 46[00:24:07] <deicide-> ty
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• 52[00:38:36] <gnat_x> I'm using a 3rd party repo for one package. i have been for years, and the upstream maintainer has been pretty good about stuff. anyway, upgraded to bullseye, and now getting "Depends: python3 (< 3.9) but 3.9.0-4 is to be installed" is that a packaging error, or possibly some risidual config issue from buster on my end?
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• 54[00:39:48] <freem> maybe python >= 3.9 broke something in the program, and thus the program in the package needs fixing?
• 55[00:40:31] <mrkramps> nope, package is for python < 3.9 and bullseye ships with 3.9
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• 57[00:41:59] <mrkramps> probably will not work then
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• 61[00:43:20] <freem> < 3.9 means 3.9 and above broke something
• 62[00:44:08] <mrkramps> maybe code was just not tested for 3.9 yet
• 63[00:44:10] <freem> if the devs and packager did their job, at least
• 64[00:44:15] <freem> that, too
• 65[00:44:42] <gnat_x> yeah, i'll check with the maintainer.
• 66[00:45:03] <gnat_x> looks like that might be the case, if i'm reading apt depends right.
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• 70[00:48:17] <H-var> guys what is the name of that next graphical engine for linux that is supposed to take place of x11?
• 71[00:48:44] <mrkramps> wayland
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• 74[00:49:23] <H-var> is this like serious? It's gonna happen eventually on all desktop interfaces?
• 75[00:49:31] <H-var> is it gonna come to xfce?
• 76[00:49:49] <H-var> what are the most important challenges of wayland right now?
• 77[00:49:56] <mrkramps> this is serious
• 78[00:50:27] <mrkramps> some distributions have it already anabled by default
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• 82[00:51:25] <mrkramps> if i believe wikipedia, it's also default for gnome in debian buster already
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• 84[00:52:21] <H-var> but people say that there like some problems running apps in it
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• 86[00:52:44] <H-var> I was wondering if like it's apps that have to adapt and change, or it's wayland that has to be better?
• 87[00:52:58] <freem> wayland is not an engine, it's a protocol, which already have a lot of server implementations
• 88[00:53:15] <mrkramps> apps need to support this protocol
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• 90[00:53:35] <mrkramps> those build on gtk3 and qt5 for example already do this
• 91[00:53:40] <freem> apps usually depends on gtk or qt, which is where the porting work is done, usually
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• 93[00:54:00] <freem> all applications directly relying on X11 won't be ported, though.
• 94[00:54:14] <freem> or will require a lot of work (unlikely to be done)
• 95[00:54:30] <mrkramps> for xfce i'd guess xfwm4 is the issue
• 96[00:54:43] <mrkramps> or at least the biggest issue
• 97[00:54:56] <freem> ah, yes, window managers also requires rewriting
• 98[00:55:11] <gnat_x> my understanding is that xfce 4.16 will not support wayland, but it is on the roadmap for the following release.
• 99[00:55:13] <freem> compositors, too
• 100[00:56:01] <mrkramps> gnat_x, xfce 4.16 should be mostly ported to gtk3, but the window manager is not wayland compatible yet
• 101[00:56:32] <gnat_x> yes. that's basically what i understand to be the situation.
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• 103[00:57:01] <gnat_x> and that the call was made to not hold up 4.16 to wait for all the wayland bits to be hammered down.
• 104[00:57:13] <freem> because window managers will become graphic servers in wayland
• 105[00:57:31] <mrkramps> probably xfwm4 will not be ported and be replaced by something like xfway
• 106[00:57:55] <freem> I'd it's not wise to use freshly ported ^W rewriten WM promoted to graphical servers
• 107[00:58:42] <H-var> how can I make debian update to xfce 4.14?
• 108[00:58:51] <H-var> or 4.16pre2?
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• 110[00:59:23] <mrkramps> H-var, building it yourself
• 111[00:59:55] <mrkramps> although for the time being 4.14 is in testing
• 112[01:00:14] <gnat_x> but gnome3 in sid uses wayland works fine, if you like gnome3's whole deal. i tried it on a sid machine a couple months ago. switched because the ui was bad for the TV remote thing i use for that machine,
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• 115[01:00:47] <mrkramps> gnat_x, gnome3 pretty much targets wayland primarily
• 116[01:00:59] <gnat_x> *nod*
• 117[01:01:17] <freem> I don't think people using xfce wants to play with gnome 3 :)
• 118[01:01:26] <gnat_x> i think someone was asking if wayland works, and it does for stuff that supports it.
• 119[01:01:37] <gnat_x> freem: i certainly don't :)
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• 121[01:02:02] <freem> for a start, people would require computer with more ram, disk storage, and processing power
• 122[01:02:11] <freem> and then, there's the taste
• 123[01:02:31] <mrkramps> freem, this is a gnome issue and luckily not related to wayland
• 124[01:02:42] <freem> I mean, gnome's icon is a.... foot... smells bad already
• 125[01:03:06] * freem ->[]
• 126[01:03:49] <gnat_x> hence my "if you like gnome3's whole deal." it is certainly not for everyone. including me. the reason i stopped using it was gnome, not wayland.
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• 129[01:05:00] <freem> ok... looks like debootstrap --print-debs --include just don't returns the true list of yet to be installed packages
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• 135[01:12:50] <freem> I think this might be an actual debootstrap bug, will dig in that later... the result is just that the downloadin goes to 160% and the install to 143% after all
• 136[01:13:02] <mrkramps> oO
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• 139[01:14:06] <freem> well... I rely on --print-deb saying the truth, but I use --include=... which are not counted by it
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• 142[01:14:35] <freem> debootstrap --print-debs --keep-debootstrap-dir --variant=minbase "--include=$PKG_LIST" $(cat $SOURCE/distname) "$cp_target" "$MIRROR"
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• 144[01:15:01] <freem> in that line, it looks like --print-debs just ignore what's in the --include list
• 145[01:15:25] <mrkramps> run include before print-debs?
• 146[01:15:34] <freem> I tried, no change
• 147[01:15:35] <mrkramps> it's a bash function after all
• 148[01:15:40] <mrkramps> hmkay, just a guess
• 149[01:15:45] <freem> I had the same :)
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• 151[01:16:10] <freem> at least I gave my installer script a nice progress bar today, I'm happy
• 152[01:17:04] <freem> when it will be good enough, I'll probably share the link, but I still have some work to do there
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• 155[01:18:16] <freem> gn folks
• 156[01:18:21] <mrkramps> gn
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• 161[01:25:07] <jaami> hi, what other debian based distro is as good as windows in terms of drivers?
• 162[01:25:20] <mrkramps> none
• 163[01:25:28] <jaami> oh
• 164[01:26:17] <jaami> i need help to setup tp-link wifi usb dongle
• 165[01:26:20] <sig_9> jaami: you mean out of the box distro
• 166[01:26:44] <jaami> yes, out of the box distro
• 167[01:26:51] <sig_9> any of the *buntus
• 168[01:27:03] <sig_9> most detect non-free hardware and install drivers
• 169[01:27:15] <mrkramps> jaami, what's the exact model of the wifi dongle?
• 170[01:27:27] <jaami> ah ok, i was thinking about *bunto but was not sure
• 171[01:27:39] <jaami> just a second , let me recheck
• 172[01:27:42] <sig_9> what wifi card isn't working in debian
• 173[01:28:00] <mrkramps> sig_9, everything realtek
• 174[01:28:09] <sig_9> that's not an issue
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• 176[01:29:03] <sig_9> thernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 07) <== had to get a github driver for this rtl8821ce
• 177[01:29:19] <mrkramps> sig_9, that's your ethernet card
• 178[01:29:46] <sig_9> pasted the wrong line
• 179[01:29:50] <mrkramps> ;)
• 180[01:29:52] <sig_9> rtl8821ce
• 181[01:30:05] <jaami> TL-WN727N_V5.20_190514_Linux
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• 184[01:30:30] <H-var> ah
• 185[01:30:51] <mrkramps> ok, that's realtek rtl8188
• 186[01:30:52] <H-var> the famous rtl8101 rtl8821ce driver
• 187[01:30:58] <sig_9> yup
• 188[01:31:34] <mrkramps> wait .. is it!?
• 189[01:32:36] <mrkramps> jaami, you need to install package firmware-realtek
• 190[01:32:41] <jaami> yes, you are right 8188eu.ko
• 191[01:32:51] <jaami> oh great
• 192[01:33:08] <jaami> plz let me install the package
• 193[01:34:37] <mrkramps> jaami, you know how to install a package?
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• 195[01:36:42] <jaami> yes, i know apt install firmware-realtek
• 196[01:36:50] <mrkramps> exactly
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• 199[01:37:00] <jaami> do i need to restart?
• 200[01:37:22] <mrkramps> jaami, actually it should work directly
• 201[01:37:31] <mrkramps> maybe replug the dongle once
• 202[01:37:33] <sig_9> you can modprobe it or restart yes
• 203[01:38:23] <jaami> yes, unpluged and plugged in but i think modeprobe is needed
• 204[01:38:53] <mrkramps> probably just restart then
• 205[01:39:07] <sig_9> what card is it?
• 206[01:39:28] <mrkramps> realtek rtl8108eu
• 207[01:39:37] <mrkramps> realtek rtl8188eu, sry
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• 209[01:41:07] <sig_9> sudo modprobe 8188eu
• 210[01:41:28] <mirrorbird> hi
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• 212[01:41:59] <mrkramps> module should be rtl8188eu
• 213[01:42:18] <sney> all of this annoyance with realtek, there should be a downloadable utility that identifies which of 500 different models you have, and what you need to do to make it work
• 214[01:42:30] <sig_9> mrkramps: what?
• 215[01:42:31] <sig_9> dude
• 216[01:43:10] <mrkramps> all realtek modules start with rtl
• 217[01:43:16] <sig_9> stop
• 218[01:43:33] <sig_9> modprobe 8188eu
• 219[01:43:40] <sney> mrkramps: nope, some of them start with r and some are just the number. to keep things simple, of course :P
• 220[01:43:54] <jaami> once again i see the same error but wifi is now visible and scanning is working. The error: modprobe: FATAL: Module 8188e not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-13-amd64
• 221[01:44:43] <jaami> sig_9, yes it worked without error
• 222[01:45:00] <sig_9> ok
• 223[01:45:03] <sig_9> wifi working?
• 224[01:45:10] <mrkramps> hmkay, but then module name is r8188eu
• 225[01:45:25] <jaami> yes , working
• 226[01:45:36] <sig_9> mrkramps: for instance my card is rtl8821ce
• 227[01:45:41] <jaami> :)
• 228[01:45:41] <sig_9> you modprobe 8821ce
• 229[01:45:49] <jaami> yes i did
• 230[01:45:54] <mrkramps> sig_9, sorry for the irritation i checked on module rtl8188ee
• 231[01:45:55] <sig_9> mrkramps: or you can look through all the modules
• 232[01:46:00] <jaami> oh
• 233[01:46:14] <jaami> np, ty
• 234[01:46:20] <sig_9> no irritations
• 235[01:46:23] <mrkramps> my fault
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• 239[01:48:25] <mrkramps> hmkay, and i also apologize for the confusion for unsing the term "irritation" which means something completely different than i meant
• 240[01:48:26] <mrkramps> oO
• 241[01:48:44] <sig_9> heh
• 242[01:49:03] <mrkramps> i was actually meaning "confusion"
• 243[01:50:23] <sig_9> confusion is dealing with ipp ipps socket printing crap etc.. command line
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• 265[02:06:30] <mirrorbird> any hot chicks?
• 266[02:06:54] <sney> if there are, it's offtopic
• 267[02:06:58] <sney> !offtopic
• 268[02:06:59] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 269[02:07:26] <mirrorbird> i am a debian users and i want support in finding hot chicks who like debian
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• 271[02:08:18] <sney> I'm a debian user who likes craft beer, and if I wanted to talk to other debian users about drinking, it'd still be offtopic. you can play nice, or someone will be along eventually to ban you. your call.
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• 273[02:08:50] <mirrorbird> he has no power so he threatens with the teacher
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• 275[02:09:02] <jaami> can somehow a wifi usb router work as wifi card for scanning and connecting to wifi network?
• 276[02:09:09] <mirrorbird> we'll get you after school
• 277[02:10:17] <PamiWulf> my Debian stable 10 "buster" has smartd running, and it is reporting 9 pending unreadable sectors. is it a software bug?
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• 281[02:11:05] <sney> jaami: sometimes, it depends on the device. but it's not a trivial thing in any case
• 282[02:11:21] <mrkramps> PamiWulf, no your hard drive is failing
• 283[02:11:41] <PamiWulf> "Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 9 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors"
• 284[02:12:09] <jaami> sney, ok
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• 286[02:13:31] <sney> PamiWulf: look in dmesg, there are probably a lot more i/o errors listed. SMART is pretty conservative about reporting errors, if it's notifying you about unreadable sectors that means there is a real problem
• 287[02:14:25] <sney> see if there's a firmware update for your disk. buggy controllers can sometimes create false positives. otherwise, time to go shopping
• 288[02:14:46] <PamiWulf> mrkramps: ok, thanks. my father bought me a new one, but it is still in the package and I have not seen the new hard drive yet. I think I will install the new hard drive my father bought me either when this one completely stops working, or when I get an inspiration to do it. I have become lazier. How do I preserve or transfer the current Debian stable system graphical user interface settings (Cinnamon)
• 289[02:14:53] <PamiWulf> to the new Debian stable system?
• 290[02:15:30] <mrkramps> PamiWulf, just backup your whole /home/user directory
• 291[02:15:57] <mirrorbird> PamiWulf, are you a hot chick
• 292[02:16:01] <H-var> when does new version of debian usually come out?
• 293[02:16:11] <mirrorbird> H-var, for christmas, to boost sales
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• 295[02:16:15] <H-var> :D
• 296[02:16:40] <mirrorbird> PamiWulf, because if so, remember to backup your nudes folder
• 297[02:16:42] <mrkramps> PamiWulf, and probably do it now before an unexpected hdd fail make you lose all data
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• 299[02:16:48] <mirrorbird> PamiWulf, i have a service you can use for that
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• 301[02:20:11] <H-var> if I have buster, I should add "bullseye-backports" or buster-backports" if I wish to have backports enabled?
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• 306[02:22:18] <jmcnaught> H-var: buster-backports
• 307[02:22:40] <H-var> is this the correct guide for updating to debian 11 testing? replaced-url
• 308[02:22:58] <H-var> thank you jmcnaught
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• 317[02:34:02] <zykotick9> H-var: i didn't check that link's contents, but installing testing "might" not be in your best interests? or maybe it is?
• 318[02:35:31] <H-var> how about this one? replaced-url
• 319[02:35:32] <sney> H-var: that site spends a lot of time on installing buster, but the instructions aren't really wrong or anything
• 320[02:35:41] <sney> H-var: here's the short version
• 321[02:35:45] <H-var> this one seems much easire
• 322[02:35:47] <sney> dpkg: buster->bullseye
• 323[02:35:48] <dpkg> In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. Note that testing is a <moving target> and may be buggy, and read the sid FAQ: replaced-url
• 324[02:36:04] <mirrorbird> any marachoods here?
• 325[02:36:13] <H-var> yeah, sney, that's the one thanks
• 326[02:36:27] <H-var> "1810 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them."
• 327[02:36:31] <H-var> lol :D
• 328[02:37:13] <H-var> if I run apt list --upgradable I worry my terminal might crash, or it might look like a matrix screensaver for some while :D
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• 330[02:37:52] <sney> H-var: since you're intentionally upgrading releases, you don't really need to check that list unless you want to
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• 335[02:39:40] <H-var> I know even the testing channel will work great - debian community has the most wonderful minds in the world
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• 339[02:42:03] <H-var> I have one issue "libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-8-dev (< 8.4.0-2~) but 8.3.0-6 is to be installed" should I just uninstall that package, and run apt full-upgrade?
• 340[02:42:21] <sney> H-var: run 'apt full-upgrade libgcc1-' to get around that.
• 341[02:42:35] <H-var> and it's gonna be ok?
• 342[02:42:41] <sney> yep, known issue
• 343[02:42:45] <H-var> :D
• 344[02:43:14] <zykotick9> heh, "welcome to testing" ;)
• 345[02:43:16] <H-var> thank you, sney
• 346[02:43:23] <sney> np
• 347[02:47:53] <H-var> unable to locate libgccl
• 348[02:47:58] <H-var> libgcc- ?
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• 352[02:48:14] <sney> H-var: 1 as in the number
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• 354[02:49:02] <H-var> lol 2GB upgrade, and all of that to see the new amazing graphics of xfce 4.14 :D
• 355[02:49:12] <H-var> those godrays and ray tracing
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• 359[02:58:20] <H-var> I was using DeJavuSans. Switching to Carlito helped to see the difference between l and 1. In DeJavu Sans they look almost identical
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• 362[03:00:35] <_0xbadc0de_> hello
• 363[03:00:50] <sney> hi
• 364[03:02:11] <_0xbadc0de_> I have an nvme ssd and a sata ssd, on the sata ssd - On the sata ssd I am able to install ubuntu and grub and be able to detect the nvme drive with debian installed. the issue is that when I reboot
• 365[03:02:22] <_0xbadc0de_> grub shows the entry but says the drive cant be found
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• 367[03:02:35] <_0xbadc0de_> but if I install ubuntu on the nvme drive it works perfectly
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• 369[03:03:45] <disillusion> I'm trying to run a WireGuard server with VLAN in which the clients can access each others services (ports). But the clients can only ping each other, not access each other's ports. The ufw.log file on the server shows that it's blocking traffic from one client to another. How do I fix this on Debian 10
• 370[03:03:47] <disillusion> ?
• 371[03:04:05] <disillusion> for the firewall, all I do is install ufw and set a few simple rules
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• 374[03:05:17] <disillusion> the kind of thing I see on the WireGuard server, which uses the WireGuard address of 10.100.0.1, in the ufw log is: "UFW BLOCK SRC=10.100.0.2 DST=10.100.0.3 DPT=443"
• 375[03:05:35] <disillusion> on the server, allowing 443 on 10.100.0.0/24 doesn't fix it
• 376[03:05:51] <disillusion> (and I don't want to have to do that anyway)
• 377[03:06:52] <disillusion> so what's going on under the hood on Debian that causes this problem in which the server prevents clients from accessing each others' ports on a WireGuard network?
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• 379[03:08:45] <disillusion> the ports access between the server and all clients work just fine, which is one way I know the firewall rules in ufw are ok
• 380[03:09:12] <disillusion> it's only client-to-client that shows "BLOCK" message in ufw log
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• 386[03:15:22] <f8e4> is this correct sudo?: echo -n 150 | sudo tee /sys/devices/foofile
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• 390[03:19:07] <stompykins> f8e4: looks right
• 391[03:19:16] <stompykins> you can pipe echo against sudo and it works fine
• 392[03:19:25] <stompykins> if youre truly worried you could always su to root :)
• 393[03:19:44] <f8e4> sudo sh -c '...' too yes mmh
• 394[03:20:01] <stompykins> my personal laptop i set up wheel NOPASSWD:all
• 395[03:20:09] <stompykins> i hate having to retype my password over and over
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• 397[03:20:56] <f8e4> or: echo 'level 3' > sudo tee /proc/acpi/fan
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• 399[03:22:46] <f8e4> former yes; ty
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• 402[03:25:59] <oops_> my os is debian buster 32 bit , after installing xfce4 the gui desktop blink between black screen with message " no vGA input" and debian background without icons alternatives
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• 405[03:27:21] <mrkramps> oops_, graphics card?
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• 407[03:28:26] <oops_> mrkramps: i don't know how to view graphics card
• 408[03:28:27] <stompykins> it blinks oops_?
• 409[03:28:33] <stompykins> check your cable for bent pins dude
• 410[03:28:36] <stompykins> sounds like a hardware issue
• 411[03:28:46] <stompykins> your card could be loose as well
• 412[03:29:57] <oops_> yes , i guess the cable no problem because the other ubuntun on the same pc work well
• 413[03:30:56] <mrkramps> oops_, you get graphics card information with: lspci | grep VGA
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• 415[03:32:31] <oops_> there have another phenomena is when i click then a snapshot continually take photo ,
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• 417[03:32:56] <oops_> the vga is intel mobile 945GM/GMS ,
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• 422[03:35:58] <mrkramps> oops_, might already help to just install firmware-linux-nonfree
• 423[03:36:24] <oops_> in addition, my screen are external , the inbuilt screen with notebook has dismantled
• 424[03:37:34] <f8e4> is this safe:
• 425[03:37:49] <f8e4> * replaced-url
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• 431[03:43:39] <f8e4> similar: replaced-url
• 432[03:43:49] <oops_> mrkramps: i reboot my pc , the login interface appear ,after i type my user name and passwd enter in , the blink phenomena recur
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• 434[03:44:27] <f8e4> oops_ maybe try another DEnv
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• 439[03:49:37] <oops_> the most weird things is the "cacha" snapshot utter continually automatically even if i don't touch anywhere
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• 455[04:09:39] <Kilgarah_Hunith> fresh debian10.7 install and did an update/upgrade and nothing needed updating, normally distros need an update after install so why not debian (buster)
• 456[04:10:20] <dvs> Because Debian 10.7 is a week old?
• 457[04:10:48] <Kilgarah_Hunith> you could be right! forgive my noobness
• 458[04:11:03] <dvs> Kilgarah_Hunith: What did you use to install (the EXACT iso name)
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• 460[04:13:29] <Kilgarah1Hunith> internet fell, i got my iso from replaced-url
• 461[04:13:37] <dvs> sigh
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• 471[04:25:50] <KNERD> A week old and no updates! Slackers! ;-)
• 472[04:27:00] <dvs> KNERD: I'm guessing there are security updates but since they couldn't tell me the name of the ISO they used, I couldn't tell if their sources needed to be updated.
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• 475[04:28:57] <KNERD> Yeah that happens
• 476[04:29:08] <KNERD> and left already
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• 504[05:03:39] <oops> after installing "mate-desktop-environment" , the mate gui interface doesn't appear after rebooting , my os had installed xfce4 ,
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• 506[05:04:59] <sney> oops: installing mate didn't remove xfce4. if you want to use mate, you need to select it at login. the menu is either in the corner or next to the login button
• 507[05:06:31] <oops> after rebooting , the interface enter the console mode directly
• 508[05:09:29] <sney> you probably disabled lightdm somehow
• 509[05:10:24] <oops> how to enable lightdm
• 510[05:10:37] <sney> systemctl enable lightdm, as root
• 511[05:11:07] <sney> when you installed mate, did you get a menu asking if you wanted to keep using lightdm or use a different display manager? what did you select if so?
• 512[05:11:56] <oops> no, no any prompt during the process of installing
• 513[05:12:39] <oops> my pc is completely console mode now
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• 521[05:28:36] <oops> can the debian official repository be added to sources.list by manually only?
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• 523[05:30:15] <sig_9> oops: replaced-url
• 524[05:30:20] <sig_9> this gives many examples
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• 559[06:26:19] <A|an> replaced-url
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• 568[06:39:16] * trui sets a timer.
• 569[06:39:39] <trui> go, sid, go! haha. maybe.
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• 571[06:44:52] <trui> (i'm on stable and the stable kernel, but i find it still fun to follow this stuff)
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• 579[07:01:05] <oops> i have installed "mate-desktop-environment" , i had enabled "lightdm" and set "graphical.target " as default, when i reboot the os , it directly enter console mode and no mate gui appear
• 580[07:04:13] <xikuuky> oops: is it possible you have more than one dm enabled?
• 581[07:06:19] <oops> xikuuky: how to list all display manager and kill unnecessary dm
• 582[07:08:03] <oops> xikuuky: you are right , gdm3 are working
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• 595[07:19:55] <oops> i had walk through all 6 display manager , and now only lightdm are active , but the mate desktop still not appear ,
• 596[07:20:17] <xikuuky> oops: did you check for it's .desktop file in the XDG folder?
• 597[07:22:17] <oops> what file name do i need to check? when system start it directly enter the console,
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• 599[07:24:13] <oops> there are lots of file with suffix ".desktop"
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• 601[07:27:16] <oops> some are under "/etc/xdg/autostart/"
• 602[07:28:57] <xikuuky> let me find the exact system path for you
• 603[07:29:54] <xikuuky> what files exist at /usr/share/xsessions ?
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• 605[07:31:29] <oops> those files are " gnome-classic.desktop , gnome.desktop , gnome-xorg.desktop and mate.desktop
• 606[07:31:53] <xikuuky> oops: hmmm mate should show up then
• 607[07:32:17] <oops> mate are the end in list ,
• 608[07:32:17] <xikuuky> oops: can you run "cat /usr/share/xsessions/mate.desktop" and send me a pastebin link?
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• 610[07:33:17] <oops> let me try , it's too hard to do it , i talk with you on another pc
• 611[07:33:36] <xikuuky> oops: i understand
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• 613[07:39:01] <oops> msg xikuuky
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• 2819[10:01:21] <ychaouche> hello debianeers
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• 2821[10:01:49] <ychaouche> how do I skip every part of the output of apt-cache show <packagename> and only get the description part ?
• 2822[10:02:11] <ychaouche> I had to resort to sed for that, but I want to make sure there isn't an easier option
• 2823[10:02:42] <ychaouche> oh by the way it doesn't *have to be* apt-cache show package, any command that would give me the description *only*
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• 2826[10:03:18] <ychaouche> does this has to do anything with it ? APT::Cache::ShowFull
• 2827[10:03:48] <ychaouche> (I don't know how to change that value on the command line, I tried with -o APT::Cache::ShowFull=dzaoiduazoiudz and it seems to have erred silently)
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• 2836[10:10:52] <jelly> ychaouche: short or long description or both?
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• 2855[10:50:57] <ychaouche> jelly, long
• 2856[10:51:15] <jelly> mmm, I don't know of a better way for that
• 2857[10:51:52] <ychaouche> Something that would have a similar output as this : replaced-url
• 2858[10:52:53] <jelly> ychaouche: careful, apt-cache show can provide more than one result
• 2859[10:53:24] <ychaouche> good catch
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• 2880[11:14:57] <ychaouche> apt -o is very permissive
• 2881[11:15:16] <jelly> ychaouche: if you have dctrl-tools, you can do eg: apt-cache show debhelper | grep-dctrl -s Description-en -
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• 2883[11:18:00] <themill> Bonus points for doing it all with python-apt
• 2884[11:18:33] <ychaouche> jelly, that's one useful usage of grep-dctrl !
• 2885[11:18:55] <ychaouche> I am not even being cynic :) (however that's spelled)
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• 2887[11:20:32] <ratrace> (like that)
• 2888[11:20:34] <jelly> I suspect it usually gets reimplemented, badly, because not installed by default
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• 2891[11:23:06] <ychaouche> jelly, what gets reimplemented ?
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• 2921[11:43:30] <Franciman> Hi, what does the i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin firmware do?
• 2922[11:43:33] <Franciman> is it necessary?
• 2923[11:43:40] <Franciman> I installed it because I saw the error
• 2924[11:44:00] <Franciman> but I've been using debian previously without it, on the same pc, with no visible problem
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• 2926[11:45:22] <shtrb> It's just a firmware for a set of devices supported by this device (intel )
• 2927[11:45:45] <Franciman> yes I have an intel cpu
• 2928[11:45:52] <Franciman> using the integrated GPU
• 2929[11:46:02] <Haohmaru> my condolesence
• 2930[11:46:05] <Franciman> lol
• 2931[11:46:10] <Franciman> I was wondering what it does
• 2932[11:46:19] <shtrb> lol Haohmaru
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• 2934[11:48:25] <Franciman> do you know a cpu which is more transparent?
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• 2936[11:49:07] <jelly> Franciman: some bits of firmware are for 3D support, other bits help with accelerated encoding/decoding of video streams I think
• 2937[11:49:17] <Franciman> ok thanks
• 2938[11:49:34] <shtrb> Franciman, don't worry after yesterday Intel hack we may see the source code and plans :P
• 2939[11:49:44] <Franciman> love!
• 2940[11:49:47] <Franciman> I didn't know :P
• 2941[11:50:03] <Haohmaru> wut?
• 2942[11:50:05] <Franciman> btw I think I found a workaround for my wifi issues
• 2943[11:50:08] * Haohmaru deploys an ear
• 2944[11:50:10] <shtrb> I don't know if the data would be leaked, I just wish to have my intel cpu working saner
• 2945[11:50:33] <Franciman> I used the firmware-4.bin instead of the firmware-6.bin
• 2946[11:50:39] <Franciman> and now it seems to not be disconnecting
• 2947[11:50:58] <Haohmaru> the next time i buy a comput0r, i want a ryz0n in it
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• 2949[11:51:01] <shtrb> Haohmaru, some intel department had been hacked yesterday , no one knows for sure what happened except they had been hacked
• 2950[11:51:26] <jelly> right now all the modern x86 GPUs need some firmware
• 2951[11:51:30] <Franciman> Haohmaru, I think it's better to find a free alternative
• 2952[11:51:36] <Haohmaru> free?
• 2953[11:51:40] <shtrb> ARM ?
• 2954[11:51:42] <Franciman> with no closed firmware
• 2955[11:51:57] <shtrb> FPGA ?
• 2956[11:52:00] <Haohmaru> don't some of these ARMs have blobs too?
• 2957[11:52:07] <Franciman> we are doomed
• 2958[11:52:07] <Franciman> lol
• 2959[11:52:13] <Haohmaru> the thicc ARMs i mean.. with GPUs and stuff
• 2960[11:52:23] <shtrb> Haohmaru, well , if you have some nice FPGA you wouldn't need it :)
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• 2962[11:52:40] <Haohmaru> i don't speek ef-pea-gee-ay-ish
• 2963[11:53:08] <jelly> Franciman: you can probably get an 8-10 year old amd discrete card, that will require less work than building your own from a FPGA
• 2964[11:53:10] <Haohmaru> afaik from those who do, they hate the FPGA tools
• 2965[11:53:35] <Franciman> probably yeah
• 2966[11:53:41] <Franciman> makes sense
• 2967[11:56:09] <shtrb> but it would be open source :)
• 2968[11:57:17] <jelly> shtrb: just like the r600 driver which already exists
• 2969[11:57:55] <shtrb> jelly, isn't the R600 still uses blobs ?
• 2970[12:01:37] <Haohmaru> <blobs____blobs_everywhere.jpg>
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• 2976[12:07:19] <jelly> shtrb: honestly I don't remember, if it needs fw to even bring up the framebuffer and set mode, then they can pick an even older card
• 2977[12:07:56] <st4rry> Hi, all.
• 2978[12:09:10] <st4rry> I'm having some trouble with my dual Graphic cards on debian 10 , could someone help me please? I noticed it's kind of some common problem. But I still couldn't make it clear with the solution found online
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• 2982[12:10:16] <st4rry> I've a HP Laptop and when I installed Nvidia driver and I don't have my Desktop environment run anymore.
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• 2984[12:11:50] <st4rry> I installed bumblebee-nvidia and managed to run glxinfo with optirun and it shows my GPU but still it has some nvidia persistent error when boot and also hashcat doesn't recognize both my GPUs
• 2985[12:12:22] <st4rry> I'd like to ask some help here , please.
• 2986[12:13:39] <jelly> st4rry: which desktop environment session type is selected? Does the initial graphical login screen appear at all?
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• 2988[12:14:13] <st4rry> my desktop environment is Mate
• 2989[12:14:30] <st4rry> it's working until I install nvidia
• 2990[12:14:32] <st4rry> driver
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• 2992[12:14:59] <st4rry> so I had to remove all nvidia-drivers and restart the lightdm and the GUI runs again
• 2993[12:15:09] <shtrb> Speaking of blobs , "elan_i2c 0-0015: unexpected iap version 0x00 (ic type: 0x28)" buster with backports (kernel 5.9.0) anyone have an idea on what firmware it could be ?
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• 2996[12:16:55] <jelly> shtrb: that line does not look like a firmware-requesting line
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• 2998[12:18:13] <shtrb> lol never mind , I missread the line ends with ", firmware update will **not** work"
• 2999[12:19:02] <shtrb> back to 5.8 I guess :)
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• 3010[12:31:02] <st4rry> jelly: my desktop environment is Mate, it's working until I install nvidia drivers. so I had to remove all nvidia-drivers and restart the lightdm and the GUI runs again.
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• 3015[12:35:59] <dermoth> Hey there.. so I launched apt upgrade, and caught a changelog entry which basically tells me I have to keep back one package for a little while (waiting for required dependency update). What is the most correct way to cancel at this point? I can of course kill the process... Although I was wondering if there is a more correct way?
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• 3018[12:37:18] <dermoth> if I hold the package from another shell, will it prevent the upgrade?
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• 3020[12:38:27] <dermoth> well cnasewer myself on this one since I was going to hold it nayway... backend is locked
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• 3023[12:40:01] <dermoth> killed it... though it would be nice to have a 2nd chance to gracefully skip a package after seeing the changelog
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• 3026[12:41:05] <Bushmaster> Hi, in my Debian stretch, my root is totally full, 0 space and I cant install software, is there a way to get rid of unenecessary files from root to clear up spaces
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• 3028[12:42:21] <ratrace> Bushmaster: if you're using apt-get (instead of, say, apt) you can use `apt-get clean` to clean out the package cache in /var/cache/apt/
• 3029[12:42:42] <ratrace> Bushmaster: then look into /var/log and see if there's any log files growing uncontrolled
• 3030[12:42:42] <Bushmaster> ratrace, thanks, let me see
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• 3032[12:43:16] <ratrace> ultimately you probably need to rearchitect your disk layout.
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• 3034[12:44:27] <Bushmaster> ratrace, no space has cleaned here is the output replaced-url
• 3035[12:45:00] <ratrace> Bushmaster: so you're using ubuntu.... :)
• 3036[12:45:09] <Bushmaster> No
• 3037[12:45:12] <ratrace> go ask in #ubuntu what to do and how to get rid of the garbage accrued by it
• 3038[12:45:13] <Bushmaster> Debian Stretch
• 3039[12:45:20] <ratrace> Bushmaster: yes. you have gnome snap. that's ubuntu installation
• 3040[12:45:40] <ratrace> anyhoo... snaps keep around multiple versions, see how to get rid of those
• 3041[12:45:45] <Bushmaster> that is something came out in my Debian when somebody help me to install a windows software
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• 3044[12:45:59] <ratrace> no. debian doesn't install snaps by default, definitely does not install gnome snap. that's ubuntu
• 3045[12:46:00] <Bushmaster> I am using Debnian
• 3046[12:46:17] <ratrace> but anyway, clean out the snap garbage
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• 3048[12:46:48] <Bushmaster> ratrace, here replaced-url
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• 3051[12:47:36] <ratrace> DE cinnamon and oyu have the gnome snap ..... clear out unneded snaps, and unneded snap versions
• 3052[12:47:42] <ratrace> *unneeded
• 3053[12:48:02] <Bushmaster> how I do that ? ratrace
• 3054[12:49:01] <shtrb> Bushmaster, why did you install snapcrap?
• 3055[12:49:03] <Bushmaster> ratrace, I remember, it was a software called Photoscape
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• 3057[12:49:13] <ratrace> ask in #ubuntu how to remove old snaps, it's their software even if you're not using ubuntu (which I seriously doubt)
• 3058[12:49:30] <Bushmaster> shtrb, I rememebr, I needed a software called Photoscape and one of the friends enable me to isntall it in my Debian
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• 3060[12:50:05] <ratrace> Bushmaster: so how did you end up with Ubuntu 18.04's gnome snap?
• 3061[12:50:06] <Bushmaster> is there a way to remove Photoscape
• 3062[12:50:11] <ratrace> it didn't install itself automagically.
• 3063[12:50:21] <Bushmaster> ratrace, I do not know, but I am in Debian
• 3064[12:50:26] <ratrace> Bushmaster: `man snap` for commands. probably `snap remove <snap name>`
• 3065[12:50:29] <shtrb> Bushmaster, snap remove $packagename
• 3066[12:50:48] <shtrb> you may wish to select specific revisions or the entire crap
• 3067[12:50:49] <ratrace> you also have two gnome snaps, that 400MB right there if you're not using gnome, but cinnamon
• 3068[12:51:18] <shtrb> Why would wine be as a snap ?
• 3069[12:51:28] <ratrace> Bushmaster: does dpkg -l | grep netpl show netplan.io?
• 3070[12:51:35] <shtrb> Bushmaster, can you list your /etc/apt/sources.list please ?
• 3071[12:51:37] <Bushmaster> shtrb, and ratrace so best would be to remove the entire crap, but not sure how to do it
• 3072[12:51:53] <Bushmaster> yes okay hold on please
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• 3074[12:52:30] <shtrb> you can iterate over "snap list --all" and run snap remove for each line
• 3075[12:53:45] <shtrb> You can also then do sudo apt-get remove --purge snapd
• 3076[12:54:01] <ratrace> well...... if that really is ubuntu, doing that would nuke the system
• 3077[12:54:08] <Bushmaster> ratrace, and shtrb here replaced-url
• 3078[12:54:09] <shtrb> he said he's on debian
• 3079[12:54:31] <ratrace> I just don't believe it :) so careful, if that really is ubuntu, don't purge snapd.
• 3080[12:54:41] <Bushmaster> shtrb, let me executue the first command
• 3081[12:54:45] <Ede|Popede> wouldn't unake -k and /etc/os-release bring some light into that question?
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• 3084[12:55:10] <shtrb> Ede|Popede, neofetch said it was debian
• 3085[12:55:16] <ratrace> can be faked like everything else :) wouldn't be the first time somoene went out of their way to get support from much more knowledgeable #debian, about their 'buntu.
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• 3087[12:55:34] <shtrb> You are joking right?
• 3088[12:55:34] <Ede|Popede> 22GB is really ambitioned for / btw. but i'm not surprised, can't see any info on snapcraft.io about the size of the photoscape snap.
• 3089[12:56:00] <ratrace> ~20MB unpacked and mounted, according to the initial paste
• 3090[12:56:13] <ratrace> so a bit more or less than that for the related squashfs on disk
• 3091[12:56:30] <Bushmaster> shtrb, or Ede|Popede can any of you can help me to get some space in my debian root, i would appreciate
• 3092[12:57:01] <ratrace> you're getting hepl right now. get rid of unwanted snaps, and old versions of wanted snaps
• 3093[12:57:05] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, just remove something from root, or move it to another partition
• 3094[12:57:34] <shtrb> Bushmaster, you are getting help , uninstalling snaps , and then snapd would be a start , so does apt-get clean and as you had been told before
• 3095[12:57:40] <Ede|Popede> du -x could be a start
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• 3097[12:57:42] <Bushmaster> shtrb, and Ede|Popede this is what I get replaced-url
• 3098[12:57:52] <ratrace> with ~/ on separate partition, I really DO wonder what took those 22GB out.
• 3099[12:58:04] <ratrace> when you clean out some space, install ncdu and investigate where the bulk of disk space has gone
• 3100[12:58:13] <Bushmaster> shtrb, I have done apt-get clean and it did nothing to clean
• 3101[12:58:15] <shtrb> how the hell did you manage to get wine under snap ? it should be via apt
• 3102[12:58:26] <ratrace> shtrb: newer versions
• 3103[12:58:31] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, the only thing i know about snap is that i don't use it, neither feel like doing so.
• 3104[12:58:46] <ratrace> shtrb: and winehq's deb repo aren't always easy to work with
• 3105[12:58:58] <Bushmaster> so shtrb can you give me the command to get rid of these snap and I think that will create space
• 3106[12:58:59] <shtrb> ratrace, who ever use snap to get "newer" version shouldn't be surrpesied stuff no longer works later
• 3107[12:59:20] <shtrb> Bushmaster, snap remove core snap remove core18 ... (and continue )
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• 3109[12:59:26] <ratrace> shtrb: but they're isolated so they (the snaps) can only break themselves
• 3110[12:59:41] <shtrb> ratrace, who said it was installed in classical mode ?
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• 3112[12:59:56] <ratrace> shtrb: what do you mean?
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• 3114[13:00:11] <ratrace> classical mode only means no security confines. the snap is still isolated from the rest of the system
• 3115[13:00:26] <shtrb> ratrace, snap can be installed in several forms , classical mean it can write to root
• 3116[13:00:32] <ratrace> doesn't files anywhere. it's a squashfs loopmounted, and run in a namespace
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• 3118[13:00:48] <ratrace> shtrb: nnnnnnnnnghh.... I'm not sure, maybe it can
• 3119[13:00:52] <Bushmaster> shtrb, from that list, you want me to manuually type snap remove one after another, there is no easy way to delete all of them in one go>?
• 3120[13:01:17] <ratrace> maybe with xargs if you can list the names only line by line
• 3121[13:01:31] <shtrb> Bushmaster, you can use awk/xargs and iterate but manually running 16 command would be faster if you are asking this
• 3122[13:01:54] <Bushmaster> shtrb, okay, let me try one at a time
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• 3124[13:02:07] <Ede|Popede> what happened to goold old /opt? is it too old fashioned for all these new kinky software infrastructures to use?
• 3125[13:02:29] <ratrace> Ede|Popede: confined/containerized app installation has its benefits. installing under /opt is still polluting the system
• 3126[13:02:39] <shtrb> Ede|Popede, yes
• 3127[13:02:40] <ratrace> and I'm not sold on --classical being able to willy nilly write anywhere.
• 3128[13:02:41] <Bushmaster> shtrb, I get this replaced-url
• 3129[13:02:49] <Ede|Popede> ratrace: at least it would keep / clean
• 3130[13:03:12] <shtrb> Bushmaster, skip and continue
• 3131[13:03:30] <shtrb> ratrace, that is ubuntu and snap
• 3132[13:03:47] <shtrb> ratrace, everything is possible (I might be wrong )
• 3133[13:04:10] <ratrace> it's a mess one way or another
• 3134[13:04:46] <ratrace> snap list | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -n1 snap remove
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• 3136[13:05:12] <Bushmaster> hold on ratrace
• 3137[13:05:17] <ratrace> but please do understand what each of these is doing before you blindly copypasta and blame me for nuking your 'buntu :)
• 3138[13:05:21] <shtrb> ratrace, some will fail , he need to have that one by one
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• 3140[13:05:37] <ratrace> shtrb: this will do one by one, ther's no && depending on previous exit code
• 3141[13:05:39] <Ede|Popede> multiple runs should work
• 3142[13:05:39] <shtrb> Bushmaster, you are going to loose Wine and all your stuff
• 3143[13:05:51] <Bushmaster> shtrb, that is fine
• 3144[13:05:58] <ratrace> programs. sane snaps data will remain in users ~/
• 3145[13:06:00] <Bushmaster> I am prepare to loose those shtrb
• 3146[13:06:07] <Bushmaster> please try to make some space in my root
• 3147[13:06:23] * Ede|Popede steps out of Bushmaster's root
• 3148[13:06:33] <ratrace> Bushmaster: first thing after you free some space is to install `ncdu` and investigate where the bulk of 22G has gone, since your /home/ is on a separate drive
• 3149[13:06:37] <shtrb> After you had purged snap , you would need to erase snap data from home dirs
• 3150[13:07:04] <Bushmaster> so what command to start removeing this one snap list | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -n1 snap remove?
• 3151[13:07:16] <Bushmaster> ratrace, I have ncdu alreadt
• 3152[13:07:22] <Ede|Popede> personally i prefer the cushion sheet model for du with GUI.
• 3153[13:07:28] <ratrace> well then run it and find where the bulk of disk space is
• 3154[13:07:45] <ratrace> Bushmaster: your /home/ is separate drive so ignore that, check other system locations, where did 22G go
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• 3156[13:08:08] <Bushmaster> well, i cant i do not know where to locate the unnecessary files ratrace
• 3157[13:08:18] <ratrace> that's a huge lot of space gone to system. even full blown DE installation with a handful of common programs like firefox, libreoffice, ... will all fit under 10G
• 3158[13:08:29] <Bushmaster> shtrb, shall I utilize this command then snap list | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -n1 snap remove
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• 3160[13:08:31] <ratrace> Bushmaster: so oyu run ncdu and it shows you where
• 3161[13:08:46] <shtrb> Bushmaster, listen to ratrace he is good and safe
• 3162[13:09:05] <shtrb> I prefer one by one , ratrace prefered the more nuclear way
• 3163[13:09:31] <Bushmaster> ncdu is running ratrace shtrb but I do not have much time
• 3164[13:09:40] <shtrb> why ?
• 3165[13:09:56] <shtrb> did you uninstall some at least ?
• 3166[13:09:59] <Bushmaster> the sooner I can make some space in root the better, cos I am in the middle of installing Android Studio for Java and space ran out
• 3167[13:10:13] * shtrb facepalm
• 3168[13:10:17] <Bushmaster> shtrb, well uninstall how? shtrb
• 3169[13:10:24] <ratrace> Bushmaster: run ncdu while you're on system root / so it can enumerate the top level disk hogs
• 3170[13:10:24] <shtrb> snap remove ...
• 3171[13:10:58] <shtrb> or ratrace's command
• 3172[13:10:58] <Bushmaster> shtrb, well it has gnome and all that, not sure you want me to remove all that, but now NCDU is running
• 3173[13:11:19] <Ede|Popede> not even gnome and all that should be so greedy
• 3174[13:11:19] <ratrace> Bushmaster: you're not even using gnome. do you need it?
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• 3176[13:11:45] <shtrb> time to purge some gnomes
• 3177[13:12:22] <Bushmaster> ratrace, shtrb here is the NCDU output replaced-url
• 3178[13:12:32] <Bushmaster> no I do not need it ratrace
• 3179[13:12:53] <ratrace> Bushmaster: then remove it. what's in /ACADEMIC
• 3180[13:12:53] <Bushmaster> i just need some space in my root okay, can anyhone help please, as you realize I am not the brightest
• 3181[13:13:06] <ratrace> Bushmaster: I don't see that among your mountpoints, and it hogs 19 gees
• 3182[13:13:08] <shtrb> ratrace, he run it from his homedir
• 3183[13:13:29] <Bushmaster> ratrace, its all home what NCDU showing
• 3184[13:13:30] <shtrb> Bushmaster, you should have run ncdu from /
• 3185[13:13:31] <ratrace> oh right right
• 3186[13:13:43] <jelly> (and as root user)
• 3187[13:14:01] <ratrace> yeah. as root, run `ncdu` while you've cd'd into / (top level root dir)
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• 3189[13:14:16] <Bushmaster> running again
• 3190[13:14:26] <Bushmaster> can anyone help me to remove them snap in one go
• 3191[13:14:35] <ratrace> Bushmaster: the command I gave you will do it
• 3192[13:14:38] <shtrb> Bushmaster, ratrace gave you the command already
• 3193[13:14:49] <ratrace> but please do understand what each of these is doing before you blindly copypasta and blame me for nuking your 'buntu :)
• 3194[13:15:01] * jelly likes to du -x / > du-x-root.$(date -I).txt; sort -n du-x-root.$(date -I).txt | tail -n30
• 3195[13:15:03] <Bushmaster> ratrace, which one ? This one snap list | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -n1 snap remove
• 3196[13:15:11] <ratrace> Bushmaster: yes
• 3197[13:15:22] <ratrace> but please do understand what each of these is doing before you blindly copypasta and blame me for nuking your system
• 3198[13:15:34] <Bushmaster> ratrace, will it break my Debian?
• 3199[13:15:40] <ratrace> should not
• 3200[13:15:46] <shtrb> Bushmaster, and for your future sanity don't listen to friends who suggest to use snaps, meth or mixing debian versions
• 3201[13:15:55] <Bushmaster> they were not there, they only came when somebody help me to install photoscape
• 3202[13:16:00] <ratrace> Bushmaster: if you're actively using that gnome snap........ it WILL break your UI
• 3203[13:16:15] <Bushmaster> I do not even know until today shtrb and ratrace
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• 3205[13:16:40] <Bushmaster> ratrace, am I using gnome or cinnamon, ? I think I am using cinnam on
• 3206[13:16:51] <shtrb> #%@#%@#
• 3207[13:17:01] <ratrace> I don't know. you could have both installed, and who knows what you selected on login
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• 3209[13:17:14] <ratrace> then again .... just installing gnome snap on debian ... does that even work. that's ubuntu's thing.
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• 3211[13:17:36] <shtrb> he also have .kde which mean that at one point he used plasma/kde
• 3212[13:17:39] <Bushmaster> ratrace, replaced-url
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• 3214[13:18:19] <Bushmaster> now I am gonna utilize that ratrace command
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• 3216[13:18:28] <ratrace> Bushmaster: okay your /usr is a bit bloated, see if you can apt remove programs you don't use. snaps took 6 gees, so that's gonna free a lot of space. and WTH is 5G in /root/ ??
• 3217[13:18:53] <shtrb> Bushmaster, don't forget to purge snap after you you ratrace's command
• 3218[13:19:07] <ratrace> _and_ there's stuff in /opt holy hell, that's one effed up carnival ride! :))
• 3219[13:19:11] <Bushmaster> i do not know how to do purge let me do the first command
• 3220[13:19:24] <shtrb> Bushmaster, sudo apt-get remove --purge snapd
• 3221[13:19:28] <ratrace> apt p.... yes that
• 3222[13:19:56] <Ede|Popede> /usr may hold tons of docs
• 3223[13:20:02] <shtrb> ratrace, having /opt is better than having /snap :P
• 3224[13:20:15] <ratrace> I kno, I have PyCharm there. not using the pycharm snap
• 3225[13:20:34] <ratrace> I used to use pycharm snap because <convenience> . it breaks EVERY TIME it auto-updates. yeah, no, baii.
• 3226[13:20:37] <shtrb> flatpak should get more love than snap
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• 3229[13:21:40] <Bushmaster> ratrace, shtrb now its stuck after this replaced-url
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• 3231[13:22:13] <shtrb> that is why I suggested to do it one by one
• 3232[13:22:24] <Bushmaster> ratrace, shtrb oh yes it has removed it something I think here replaced-url
• 3233[13:22:52] <ratrace> shtrb: it would have the same effect, running xargs -n1 does one by one independently
• 3234[13:22:59] <Bushmaster> now this one right shtrb and ratrace apt-get remove --purge snapd
• 3235[13:23:03] <shtrb> yes
• 3236[13:23:06] <Bushmaster> hold on
• 3237[13:23:18] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: given these dependencies maybe it would be easier to remove snaps using wine and then wine. just to free up sth for the beginning.
• 3238[13:23:23] <shtrb> ratrace, but when a person runs the command he understand what he does (and has it in front of his eyes)
• 3239[13:23:28] <ratrace> "snaps using wine"?
• 3240[13:23:54] <shtrb> Ede|Popede, it's wine over snap not the other way around ,because of he has snap for windows under wine it would be hilarious
• 3241[13:24:02] <ratrace> careful with phrasing instructions to a novice :) or someone might try to install snapd under WSL under wine :)))
• 3242[13:24:10] <Ede|Popede> *shrug* no idea what they're putting into snaps, i'm just prepared for everything
• 3243[13:24:15] <Bushmaster> shtrb, ratrace Ede|Popede no idea, so what i need to do next, am not sure space has been made
• 3244[13:24:26] <shtrb> did you purge ?
• 3245[13:24:32] <shtrb> what was the result of the purge ?
• 3246[13:24:37] <ratrace> shtrb: yes and I think I stated four times that they should understand my command before blindly copypasta :)
• 3247[13:24:49] <Ede|Popede> df -h /
• 3248[13:25:07] <Bushmaster> i get this shtrb ratrace and Ede|Popede
• 3249[13:25:09] <Bushmaster> replaced-url
• 3250[13:25:10] <Ede|Popede> if the Used column ends with a G it would a e good sign
• 3251[13:25:25] <Bushmaster> hold on Ede|Popede
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• 3253[13:26:11] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, ratrace shtrb here replaced-url
• 3254[13:26:17] <ratrace> I _believe_ (so I'm not 100% sure) you can `rm -r /snap`
• 3255[13:26:19] <ratrace> (note, no -f)
• 3256[13:26:24] <Bushmaster> i think not much space is cleared, roughly 1 GiB right?
• 3257[13:26:51] <Bushmaster> shall I do rm -r/snap
• 3258[13:26:57] <ratrace> Bushmaster: it's quite possible, snaps are stored as squashfs
• 3259[13:27:01] <ratrace> Bushmaster: I would.
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• 3261[13:27:13] <ratrace> careful with spacing!
• 3262[13:27:21] <ratrace> though -r / wouldn't do a thing.
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• 3264[13:27:38] <Bushmaster> hold on ratrace
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• 3266[13:28:00] <shtrb> Bushmaster, "sudo rm -r /snap" beware of the space !
• 3267[13:28:32] <ratrace> tahnkfully rm -r / wouldn't do anything
• 3268[13:28:33] <Bushmaster> shtrb, ratrace replaced-url
• 3269[13:28:46] <ratrace> BUT YES ... always be mindful of what you type with rm before you hit the final <enter>
• 3270[13:29:00] <ratrace> Bushmaster: I TOLD YOU.... WE TOLD YOU TWICE TO MIND THE SPACES !!!!!!
• 3271[13:29:07] * ratrace flips table and screams
• 3272[13:29:11] <shtrb> Obligatory replaced-url
• 3273[13:29:41] <ratrace> shtrb: and Microsoft's R package that rm'd /bin/bash
• 3274[13:29:44] <nkuttler> rm -rf root is a good teacher
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• 3276[13:29:55] <ratrace> nkuttler: --no-preserve-root
• 3277[13:29:56] <shtrb> nkuttler, not even funny
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• 3279[13:30:07] <shtrb> someone would now nuke root's home dir because of you
• 3280[13:30:08] <ratrace> without it, rm-rf/ wouldn't do a thing :)
• 3281[13:30:09] <Bushmaster> okay I have done that again and this time I got prompt back ratrace shtrb
• 3282[13:30:11] <nkuttler> shtrb: it wasn't meant as a joke
• 3283[13:30:22] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: spaces, quoting, escapes. the holy trinity of shell commands.
• 3284[13:30:45] <nkuttler> shtrb: that would have been a good learning experience, better than / for sure
• 3285[13:30:46] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, no idea, so what is next? do i have some space
• 3286[13:30:58] <shtrb> Bushmaster, df -h
• 3287[13:31:05] <Ede|Popede> used to be 1.6G last time i've seen it, it's a good start
• 3288[13:31:16] <ratrace> Bushmaster: ALSO ... what do you have in /root/ that takes 5G
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• 3290[13:32:00] <shtrb> someone should be with Bushmaster and tell him about using lsof to find hogged data that is no longer have a filename
• 3291[13:32:03] <Bushmaster> ratrace, shtrb replaced-url
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• 3293[13:32:44] <Bushmaster> ratrace, shtrb I do not know, in file manager it shows 4.1 GiB space left and df- h shows 1.6 GiB
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• 3295[13:33:41] <ratrace> one step at a time. Apparently snaps only took 1.6G on disk. good.... next..... why is /root/ having 5G?
• 3296[13:33:45] <Bushmaster> is there any way to get rid of some other software like I have Texmaker
• 3297[13:33:55] <Bushmaster> ratrace, I do not know
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• 3299[13:34:15] <ratrace> WELL LOOK INSIDE IT .
• 3300[13:34:19] <Ede|Popede> same game, next round
• 3301[13:34:19] <Bushmaster> I have apache server running but I need that ratrace
• 3302[13:34:27] <ratrace> where, in /root/ ???
• 3303[13:34:46] <Bushmaster> well apache is running yes, i think it is in root
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• 3305[13:34:48] <shtrb> Bushmaster, you can use dpigs to find big packages
• 3306[13:35:00] <shtrb> Bushmaster, that does not work like that
• 3307[13:35:06] <ratrace> Bushmaster: what do you mean ........... apache is in root . Please clarify.
• 3308[13:35:26] <Bushmaster> ratrace, I do not know, all I know apache runs my file server
• 3309[13:35:39] <Bushmaster> shtrb, that command does not worek
• 3310[13:35:41] <ratrace> so the LOOK INTO /root/ and ls what's there. pastebin if needed
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• 3312[13:35:47] <Bushmaster> can we clear some more space
• 3313[13:35:57] <ratrace> yes, look into /root/
• 3314[13:36:03] <shtrb> Bushmaster, dpigs does not work or is not installed ?
• 3315[13:36:08] <Bushmaster> look how? NCDU?
• 3316[13:36:10] <Ede|Popede> then it runs with root privileges, but not in root's HOME (or it should not at least)
• 3317[13:36:12] <ratrace> ...............
• 3318[13:36:23] <Ede|Popede> <Ede|Popede> same game, next round <-- Bushmaster
• 3319[13:36:29] <ratrace> Bushmaster: what do you think? how do you look into a directory on linux.
• 3320[13:36:30] <Ede|Popede> just like you did before in /
• 3321[13:37:10] <Ede|Popede> find your preferred poison, du, ncdu, gdmap, and use it
• 3322[13:37:15] <shtrb> Bushmaster, dpigs is provided by debian-goodies
• 3323[13:37:32] <shtrb> but check what the hell ate your root
• 3324[13:37:39] <ratrace> I refuse to believe somoene is using all this software and apache even, and has to ask how to look into a directory....
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• 3327[13:37:48] <shtrb> what ate your /root
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• 3329[13:38:08] <shtrb> ratrace, I'm dealing with many ex-ubuntu and some kali users , it's normal
• 3330[13:38:34] <ratrace> good grief.
• 3331[13:38:39] <Bushmaster> i am running out time here ratrace shtrb hence I will need to do it some other timer
• 3332[13:38:52] <Ede|Popede> ratrace, that's what systems like snap come with. single click install, shiny interfaces, no need to understand anything from the beginning.
• 3333[13:38:53] <shtrb> Bushmaster, cd /root , du -h
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• 3336[13:39:09] <Bushmaster> thanks a lot for helping me to install Android Studio by creating space, it has been installed but no icon is created
• 3337[13:39:43] <shtrb> One problem at a time
• 3338[13:40:00] <ratrace> looks like one problem just replaced another, so you still have N problems :)
• 3339[13:40:31] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, you also may want to think about some kind of notepad solution, may it be simple text files or a wiki or whatever.
• 3340[13:40:32] <shtrb> Bushmaster, can you please paste the output of sudo du -h --max-depth=1 /root ? (make sure there is nothing that private when you paste)
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• 3342[13:41:01] <Bushmaster> shtrb, hold on
• 3343[13:41:26] <Bushmaster> that question mark is also in the command?
• 3344[13:41:38] <Ede|Popede> no
• 3345[13:41:44] <shtrb> and also "sudo ls -lsa /root
• 3346[13:41:44] <Ede|Popede> thus the spaces
• 3347[13:41:44] <shtrb> "
• 3348[13:42:22] <Bushmaster> i get this with question mark in it replaced-url
• 3349[13:42:37] <ratrace> ...........
• 3350[13:43:05] <ratrace> ohgawd.... /root/Desktop oh. my. gawd. oh lord. oh penguins!
• 3351[13:43:14] <Bushmaster> without question mark I get this shtrb replaced-url
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• 3353[13:44:04] <Ede|Popede> /root/Android ?
• 3354[13:44:05] <shtrb> Bushmaster, why do you have an Android folder for root ? why did you log in as root with a DE ? did you use Kali in the past ?
• 3355[13:44:05] <Bushmaster> shtrb, ratrace replaced-url
• 3356[13:44:21] <ratrace> Bushmaster: right, so first thing... stop logging into your desktop as root. NEVER do that. ever.
• 3357[13:44:22] <Bushmaster> shtrb, I just installed Adroid Studio yes
• 3358[13:44:51] <Bushmaster> i thought you wanted to see the out put of these commands hence the root ratrace shtrb
• 3359[13:44:53] <Ede|Popede> are you planning to run is with your root account?
• 3360[13:45:03] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, no
• 3361[13:45:09] <Ede|Popede> so why in /root then?
• 3362[13:45:14] <Bushmaster> how do I run that Adroid Studio anyway
• 3363[13:45:17] <ratrace> Bushmaster: yes and now we're helping you fix a HUGE problem yo've created: running desktop as root.
• 3364[13:45:27] <shtrb> Bushmaster, you should move all that stuff to /home for some user , and use THAT user
• 3365[13:45:41] <Bushmaster> what stuffs?
• 3366[13:45:47] <ratrace> everything in /root/
• 3367[13:45:54] <Ede|Popede> !root
• 3368[13:45:55] <dpkg> It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX replaced-url
• 3369[13:46:02] <ratrace> almost everything. all the user files
• 3370[13:46:16] <Ede|Popede> "administrative account" <-- you don't do daily user tasks with it.
• 3371[13:46:30] <Ede|Popede> you use it to keep your system working
• 3372[13:46:59] <ratrace> rarely, mindfully, slowly typing things out and thinking twice, thrice, before you hit enter.
• 3373[13:47:03] <shtrb> That is not the first time you log in to your DE by root either
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• 3375[13:47:36] <Bushmaster> well i do not know all that and how to do such massive operation
• 3376[13:47:38] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: in your graphical login screen, do you have the root account listed?
• 3377[13:47:42] <Bushmaster> and now I do not even have the time
• 3378[13:47:47] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: that's 101.
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• 3380[13:48:21] <shtrb> please tell you didn't let someone access your ssh account as root for help
• 3381[13:48:33] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, i do not think so, but not sure, machine runs 24 hours, cos its a Apache server, hence never really log back on
• 3382[13:48:52] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: you don't have to LOG IN to run apache
• 3383[13:48:58] <shtrb> someone had been using it for more than a webserver
• 3384[13:48:59] <Bushmaster> well what people can get from me anywayh
• 3385[13:49:05] <ratrace> Bushmaster: it's an apache server on public internet?
• 3386[13:49:08] <Ede|Popede> your computer?
• 3387[13:49:11] <Ede|Popede> running a bot?
• 3388[13:49:13] <Bushmaster> yes its public
• 3389[13:49:22] <Ede|Popede> making your PC part of criminal activities?
• 3390[13:49:24] <ratrace> you should shut it down immediately
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• 3392[13:49:41] <shtrb> Bushmaster, 99% you had been hacked
• 3393[13:49:43] <ratrace> turn it off, unplug the network cable, and never turn it on again until you've learned how to responsibly run public infrastructure
• 3394[13:50:06] <ratrace> I will stop helping you until you've cut the network cable.
• 3395[13:50:29] <shtrb> Bushmaster, unplug it , disconnect from any network access , asusme there is maleware on it. no usb flash that had entered it should be assume maleware free
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• 3398[13:51:47] <shtrb> Bushmaster, Assume this machine have airborne rabies and airborne syphilis
• 3399[13:52:07] <Bushmaster> how do I run that Android Studio I just installed
• 3400[13:52:11] <Bushmaster> no icon is created
• 3401[13:52:12] <ratrace> on
• 3402[13:52:19] <ratrace> *no. you stop using that machine.
• 3403[13:52:25] <shtrb> Bushmaster, that machine is gone , disconnect it
• 3404[13:52:33] <ratrace> disconnect the network cable first, then we can talk.
• 3405[13:52:45] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster >>>>> For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
• 3406[13:53:02] <Ede|Popede> which doesn't mean IGNORE EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID TO YOU
• 3407[13:53:20] <Ede|Popede> ask, get an answer, do what's necessary
• 3408[13:54:18] <Bushmaster> not sure why this Android Studio is not in list icon
• 3409[13:54:29] <Bushmaster> may be I need to reboot the machine to bring it back
• 3410[13:54:38] <Ede|Popede> ignore what you're told to do, it's up to you.
• 3411[13:54:40] <ratrace> you need to cut the network cable
• 3412[13:54:47] <Ede|Popede> but then expect to be ignored in return.
• 3413[13:55:05] <dermoth> Hello.. runnbing raspbian but since it's debian-bases... anyone ever encounteres an issue like this? Static ip configured by dhcpcd - when link flaps dhcpcd removed the static ip and never puts it bask.
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• 3415[13:55:16] <Ede|Popede> !debian based
• 3416[13:55:16] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 3417[13:55:20] <dermoth> I tried the nolink option but it still removes it
• 3418[13:55:24] <ratrace> dermoth: "Static ip configured by dhcpcd" ... its not static then
• 3419[13:55:48] <dermoth> yeah it it, dhcpcd allow configuring static ip's
• 3420[13:56:09] <dermoth> it's runing as a daemin and configuring interfaces - some may be using dhcp other statically configured
• 3421[13:56:18] <ratrace> dermoth: so then how do you call when you type up the ip manually in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 3422[13:56:18] <dermoth> as a daemon
• 3423[13:56:53] <ratrace> if it's defined by dhcp, it's not static network configuration, for all intents and purposes of the term "static network configuration" that has been used forever
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• 3425[13:57:24] <dermoth> /etc/network/interfaces is empty - well I think I might just disable dhcpcd and configure everything statically in there... I'm not sure why it's set up like this, my latest raspian uses static config in there instaed
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• 3427[13:58:11] <ratrace> dermoth: we are not sure eithre, we have no clue here in #debian. see the factoid above.
• 3428[13:58:33] <ratrace> under debian, dhcp configuration means having an entry in /etc/network/interfaces by default.
• 3429[13:58:35] <dermoth> ok... thanks anyway
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• 3431[13:59:11] <ratrace> and it's using dhclient, not dhcpcd ... so you see THAT is why the factoid is there.
• 3432[13:59:36] <shtrb> What would be a config to setup system default dialer (url hadnler to make calls) ?
• 3433[13:59:44] <dermoth> yep... well by default, but you can install dhcpcd in debian :)
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• 3436[14:02:47] <dermoth> it's actually the dhcpcd5 package (but still called dhcpcd...)
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• 3438[14:05:46] <ov3rmind> i need congratulate firejail devels, someone tryed to delete some data of my accounts and i recover using firejail, very thanks cool friends
• 3439[14:06:16] <ratrace> tryina picture here how does one recover data using firejail.
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• 3441[14:06:56] <shtrb> ov3rmind, that does not make any sense
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• 3446[14:11:19] <ratrace> so it seems..... dhcpcd can actually, litreally, be uset to set up non-dhcp "static" network config. how 'bout that.
• 3447[14:11:33] <ratrace> sans all the not-had-coffee-yet typos
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• 3449[14:12:30] <ratrace> now I have to figure out why would someone replace defaults with dhcpcd to set up static (non-dhcp) IPs .
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• 3508[15:25:24] <wsky> suspends 10 seconds after closing thel id?
• 3509[15:25:29] <wsky> oops
• 3510[15:25:39] <wsky> is there a reason why my comnputer suspends 10 seconds after closing thel id?
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• 3512[15:28:39] <LtL> wsky: it does so to prevent over-heating, is my best guess.
• 3513[15:28:53] <wsky> well, that's not what i meant
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• 3515[15:28:59] <wsky> i want it to suspend instantly
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• 3517[15:29:02] <LtL> mine does the same thing
• 3518[15:29:36] <mspe> why are testing and unstable Contents-all 404?
• 3519[15:30:07] <ratrace> mspe: ENOCONTEXT, also:
• 3520[15:30:09] <ratrace> !debian-next
• 3521[15:30:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 3535[15:43:17] <Kilgarah_Hunith> atleast debian 10 buster got me to stop ditro hopping :)
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• 3561[16:05:03] <mspe> I did debian-hopping
• 3562[16:05:29] <mspe> stable, unstable, stable+backports+pinning, and currently testing
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• 3578[16:24:26] <Zathras> How can I 'broadcast' cname/aliases of a hostname through avahi? It can be manually done by script, but isn't there any proper daemonized way?
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• 3580[16:24:44] <Brigo> mspe, i didn't know debian-hopping was a thing :)=
• 3581[16:25:14] <Zathras> a bit like: replaced-url
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• 3585[16:26:34] <Zathras> I noticed a patch for the server-daemon in 2012 or so, but avahi-alias is not part of buster
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• 3587[16:27:06] <quadrathoch2> ,v avahi-alias
• 3588[16:27:08] <judd> No package named 'avahi-alias' was found in amd64.
• 3589[16:28:06] <Zathras> if it would be a part, it would likely be part of a package, not a full package, but I fear it does just plain does not exist
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• 3605[16:43:54] <edernucci> 37.425713 -122.1703694 1608058800
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• 3615[16:53:50] <otisolsen70> Is there any way to get "age" (replaced-url
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• 3617[16:54:54] <pasiz> Zathras: avahi-aliases package is for python. there is also mdns-publisher (also via pip)
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• 3619[16:55:55] <pasiz> so pip install avahi-aliases should get you that package (depends on python3-avahi)
• 3620[16:58:01] <ksk> ,v golang
• 3621[16:58:02] <judd> Package: golang on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-security: 2:1.3.3-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2:1.7~5; stretch-backports: 2:1.11~1~bpo9+1; buster: 2:1.11~1; buster-backports: 2:1.14~1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2:1.15~1; sid: 2:1.15~1
• 3622[16:58:19] <ksk> !tell otisolsen70 about backports
• 3623[16:59:00] <ksk> otisolsen70: buster-backports has 1.14 - that should work according to your description.
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• 3625[16:59:34] <dob1> considering that I am not used to graphics programs, I have a screenshot I have to obfuscate some parts of it (some text), what program can I use that makes this simple?
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• 3627[17:00:20] <LtL> dob1: gimp
• 3628[17:00:21] <dob1> I would like the blur effect
• 3629[17:00:29] <dob1> gimp is difficult
• 3630[17:00:48] <LtL> dob1: for what you need, no it's not.
• 3631[17:01:22] <dob1> LtL, I found a tutorial for this, I try
• 3632[17:01:25] <ksk> You can also easily google "debian linux paint replacement" and get many blogs giving you a wide field to choose from..
• 3633[17:01:35] <avu> blur can be dangerous for this, it might be reversable at least to a certain degree, I'd prefer just straight black or something like that
• 3634[17:02:21] <ksk> dob1: for example, "pinta"
• 3635[17:02:35] <dob1> avu, like a black line on it ? it's better?
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• 3637[17:02:47] <dob1> I give a try
• 3638[17:03:04] <avu> dob1: yes, just cover the sensitive parts up with a opaque color
• 3639[17:03:14] <dob1> ok thanks
• 3640[17:03:16] <Haohmaru> yes, blur could be reversed to some degree.. beware
• 3641[17:03:18] <avu> which should be trival even in gimp :)
• 3642[17:04:09] <Haohmaru> for stuff like this, i use MSPaint (or KolourPaint when i'm on debian) and use a thicc brush
• 3643[17:04:20] <Haohmaru> or filled rectangle
• 3644[17:04:44] <otisolsen70> ksk, ok
• 3645[17:04:48] <otisolsen70> ksk, thanks
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• 3660[17:16:25] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 3661[17:16:26] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-rc6-686-pae (5.10~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-4-686-pae (5.9.11-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-4-686-pae (5.9.11-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-
• 3662[17:16:27] <judd> backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 3667[17:19:53] <jhutchins> Strange, my system is stuck at 4.9.0 on stretch.
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• 3670[17:26:07] <pasiz> jhutchins: stretch kernel should be 4.9 according to: replaced-url
• 3671[17:26:53] <pasiz> also: replaced-url
• 3672[17:27:21] <jhutchins> pasiz: Yeah, somehow the bpo version "leaked" in judd.
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• 3679[17:33:22] <Zathras> pasiz, thank you. I already got it working using a python script, but I would like to have a daemonized solution
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• 3708[17:53:46] <freem> dpkg: !help
• 3709[17:53:47] <dpkg> freem: I don't know, could you explain it?
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• 3717[17:58:23] <freem> anyone knows if this link: replaced-url
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• 3720[18:00:56] <last1> I am trying to mount a remote nfs v3 share but I keep getting this error: RPC: server 192.168.1.21 requires stronger authentication
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• 3724[18:01:27] <freem> also, I'm thinking of using (home-made) packages to automatically patch a system's configuration, after an initial install and also when it receives updates. Planning to do so with both PreDepends relation and triggers. Would it be doable/desirable?
• 3725[18:02:15] <freem> last1: is not NFS3 outdated?
• 3726[18:02:37] <last1> it may be...so I can't mount it anymore ?
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• 3730[18:03:47] <freem> you can probably still mount it, but why would you? Do you must use NFS3 instead of NFS4? Are you certain you are actually trying to access an NFS3 mount? How are you trying to access it?
• 3731[18:04:30] <last1> yes, this is a local repository that relies on IP based authentication
• 3732[18:05:10] <last1> the thing is, I checked with tcpdump on the nfs server, the debian client doesn't even send the mount request
• 3733[18:05:20] <last1> something local on debian throws that error before even trying to mount
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• 3736[18:06:47] <last1> no, I take that back, I wasn't running tcpdump properly
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• 3774[18:39:53] <TomyWork> "The repository 'file:...' does not have a Release file." - I'm trying to figure out why this is a security issue. Is it because .deb packages cannot be individually signed and thus require signing via the repo key to be considered authentic?
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• 3776[18:40:51] <greycat> Packages are not signed; package *lists* are signed.
• 3777[18:41:12] <freem> .deb packages can be individually signed: replaced-url
• 3778[18:41:20] <TomyWork> i have a Packages.gz that I know isn't signed
• 3779[18:41:39] <freem> "Some packages are signed by a GPG key." but this does not mean it's the norm.
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• 3781[18:41:45] <TomyWork> freem, that sounds like source packages
• 3782[18:41:53] <freem> ah, true
• 3783[18:41:54] <TomyWork> not entirely sure though
• 3784[18:42:15] <freem> finding doc about what can go in binary packages is not really easy
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• 3786[18:43:00] <TomyWork> afaik it's just some version number, control and data
• 3787[18:43:01] <freem> I remember having found something months ago, but lost the bookmark
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• 3789[18:43:14] <TomyWork> and control afaik doesn't contain any signatures
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• 3792[18:43:43] <TomyWork> neither does data, since that's just the plain tree
• 3793[18:43:44] <freem> not only. There are triggers, post/pre rm/inst scripts, conffiles, file hashes, etc in the same tarball as control
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• 3795[18:44:10] <TomyWork> yes these are in control. they're not signatures. so nothing i said was wrong :)
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• 3797[18:44:41] <freem> oh, you meant control.tar.gz? sorry, I thought you meant DEBIAN/control :)
• 3798[18:44:46] <TomyWork> yes
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• 3810[18:52:36] <freem> looks like I can be forgiven for that confusion: "There is unfortunately a collision of terminology here between control information files and files in the Debian control file format." :)
• 3811[18:52:39] <freem> replaced-url
• 3812[18:52:43] <freem> finally found that doc anew
• 3813[18:54:06] <freem> and indeed, I can't find anything to sign a binary package.
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• 3816[18:55:37] <sney> you use debsign to sign the .dsc and .changes files, and that gpg signature applies to the package built by them.
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• 3824[18:56:45] <freem> but can't be found inside built package, thus signs must be in a keyring?
• 3825[18:57:58] <sney> that sounds right. it's been a few years since I've done this so my memory is a little fuzzy, though. #debian-mentors on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) would be able to tell you 100%
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• 3838[19:07:05] <powerjungle_> is there a way to use backports only for a single package or will it upgrade all of them?
• 3839[19:07:28] <sney> backports is designed to be used with single packages only
• 3840[19:07:54] <powerjungle_> oh okay
• 3841[19:07:58] <sney> or single packages and their immediate dependencies, anyway. if you enable backports you will only get what you explicitly ask for
• 3842[19:08:10] <powerjungle_> that's nice
• 3843[19:09:55] <powerjungle_> sney, thanks for the info
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• 3846[19:10:33] <sney> np
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• 3859[19:17:09] <freem> but one could favor backported packages, using preferences. That would probably not be such a good idea though. Not sure about the idea's quality.
• 3860[19:17:40] <freem> s!preferences!/etc/apt/preferences.d/!
• 3861[19:17:44] <sney> the bpo instructions say not to do that. bpo packages have been tested in combination with stable, but usually not with each other.
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• 3863[19:18:22] <freem> I would not really even try to do that, but I just wanted to mention taht there is techinically a way
• 3864[19:19:01] <freem> admins should know what they are going to do before installing a backported package anyway
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• 3866[19:20:16] <powerjungle_> well only thing I'll be upgrading from the backports is znc
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• 3878[19:31:49] <f8e4> assume 1gb blob byte file; how to chunk 1mb off at the end?
• 3879[19:32:25] <greycat> man 1 truncate
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• 3881[19:34:24] <f8e4> greycat ty
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• 3885[19:43:29] <_0xbadc0de> greycat: you chillin brah
• 3886[19:43:33] <_0xbadc0de> you chillin?
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• 3902[20:01:52] <edernucci> 37.425713 -122.1703694 1608058800
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• 3907[20:03:03] <tomreyn> thanks for the birthday party invitation
• 3908[20:03:31] <greycat> latitude, longitude, and time in epoch format?
• 3909[20:03:42] <tomreyn> looks like it
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• 3913[20:05:27] <freem> it's in the past.
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• 3923[20:15:43] <_0xbadc0de> I have bullseye how do I install virtualbox?
• 3924[20:15:50] <_0xbadc0de> the one from debian 10 should work?
• 3925[20:16:24] <nkuttler> ,v virtualbox
• 3926[20:16:25] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.1.16-dfsg-6
• 3927[20:16:38] <nkuttler> !debian-next
• 3928[20:16:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 3929[20:16:38] <greycat> as you can see there *isn't* one in Debian 10
• 3930[20:16:50] <greycat> also ask the bot about virtualbox
• 3931[20:16:56] <_0xbadc0de> fuck you there is one in the virtualbox website
• 3932[20:17:07] <greycat> _0xbadc0de: /msg dpkg virtualbox
• 3933[20:18:11] <freem> how polite.
• 3934[20:18:35] <edernucci> 37.425713 -122.1703694 1608058800
• 3935[20:19:01] <greycat> There may be one *for* Debian 10 on the third party web site. You can try that if you feel you trust them. There is not one *from* Debian 10, because Debian dropped support for virtualbox.
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• 3941[20:21:28] <_0xbadc0de> yeah but my question is will it work on debian 11
• 3942[20:21:47] <greycat> We don't know. The #debian-next people might.
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• 3945[20:22:15] <greycat> According to judd there's a version in sid, which may or may not be compatible with the current in-flux version of Debian testing. The #debian-next people might know.
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• 3951[20:31:33] <pasiz> _0xbadc0de: in my testing systems it doesn't work, but are free to try it yourself...
• 3952[20:32:07] <towo`> _0xbadc0de, and why you ask in 2 channels the same question at the same time
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• 3973[20:51:50] <neilthereildeil> how isi it possible to have multiple python processes listening on the same port? python 1237 neil 20u IPv4 2199706 0t0 TCP *:2042 (LISTEN)
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• 3976[20:53:19] <wr> on my Debian XFCE, my sound gets up/down mute/ON most times, seen, uninstalled, reloads, bars, icons, packages, configs, can't figure out what the hell is doing this, seems sometimes with everything closed icon flashes, i am suspicious of a bug in vlc when open....
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• 3978[20:53:26] <mutante> neilthereildeil: that is just one process though?
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• 3980[20:53:50] <Ede|Popede> neilthereildeil: python or not, you don't.
• 3981[20:53:53] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: where do you see multiple?
• 3982[20:54:08] <neilthereildeil> heres another line from the same lsof -i output: python 1279 neil 20u IPv4 2199706 0t0 TCP *:2042 (LISTEN)
• 3983[20:54:16] <ratrace> you can have one process run accept() and dispatch to multiple worker threads/procs
• 3984[20:54:26] <neilthereildeil> and another: python 1282 neil 20u IPv4 2199706 0t0 TCP *:2042 (LISTEN)
• 3985[20:54:38] <neilthereildeil> but they all have different PIDs
• 3986[20:55:32] <Ede|Popede> neilthereildeil: do you use ps's f switch?
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• 3988[20:55:57] <ratrace> hrm... SO_REUSEPORT probably
• 3989[20:56:18] <Ede|Popede> i don't think lsof can to anything related, but it's also what i use, since i just can't remember that other command xD
• 3990[20:56:45] <ratrace> replaced-url
• 3991[20:56:55] <neilthereildeil> no, i did not run ps
• 3992[20:57:06] <neilthereildeil> i only ran "lsof -i"
• 3993[20:57:15] <neilthereildeil> and thats some of the output that i shared
• 3994[20:57:56] <ratrace> neilthereildeil: read the link above, they're probably using SO_REUSEPORT socket option and are all accept()'ing
• 3995[21:01:19] <neilthereildeil> hmmm i dont see SO_REUSEPORT, but i do see sock.setsockopt(_socket.SOL_SOCKET, _socket.SO_REUSEADDR, reuse_addr)
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• 4028[21:08:02] <DDDD> Hi, i'm currently running Manjaro with full disk encryption but i'm an old debian user. Today i discovered that luks full disk encryption seems to store keyfiles which can be used to decrypt the drives in /. Does debian work the same way? Otherwise a switch back to debian is in order.
• 4029[21:08:38] <DDDD> Storing keyfiles for encryption in plaintext on the hdd seems very odd to me, but maybe this is how all luks setups work?
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• 4032[21:09:36] <fourstepper> Hi, do I understand correctly that between zfs and btrfs on Debian, btrfs is the one supported, right?
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• 4034[21:10:03] <sney> fourstepper: both are supported, but zfs is out-of-tree so there are extra steps to use it.
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• 4037[21:10:55] <fourstepper> sney does out of tree mean having to go and mess with the kernel for the support of zfs to work?
• 4038[21:11:18] <sney> DDDD: every luks setup I've seen requires a passphrase, without which the keyfiles are useless. I'm not sure of the exact layout but the bootloader does need to be able to unlock the disk, so *some* luks component needs to reside on an unencrypted partition
• 4039[21:11:58] <sney> fourstepper: on modern debian, it's just a question of installing the zfs-dkms packages from contrib and letting your system build the drivers. it's pretty automatic. I've been using it for years.
• 4040[21:12:16] <fourstepper> I see - that's pretty eas
• 4041[21:12:18] <fourstepper> easy*
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• 4044[21:12:56] <DDDD> Sney on manjaro i input my decryption key which is 25+ characters long at boot. Shouldnt this be enough? Why is there a need for a keyfile that can be used to decrypt the drives in / ? Yes i know / is in the ram and not the disk per say. But anyone with root access can just cat /key
• 4045[21:13:00] <fourstepper> thank you for the answer :) I suspect running zfs on debian sid for a storage disks raid array would not be a good idea? (in the bounds of sid itself)
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• 4047[21:13:43] <sney> fourstepper: sid isn't recommended for a system that you need to be reliable, like a fileserver.
• 4048[21:13:54] <aminvakil> DDDD: where has your keyfiles been stored?
• 4049[21:14:07] <sney> which is not to say it would automatically break, sid just needs more attention than stable.
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• 4051[21:14:31] <DDDD> aminvakil: in /root/. Again this is no on debian but Manjaro. Reason i'm asking here is to make sure this is not the way it works in debian too before i switch.
• 4052[21:14:53] <DDDD> not /root/ but in /
• 4053[21:14:58] <mrkramps> afaik this is how luks handles key files in general
• 4054[21:15:01] <DDDD> sorry for the mistype
• 4055[21:15:16] <aminvakil> mrkramps: i don't think so
• 4056[21:15:41] <DDDD> That would be very odd and a major security flaw imo.
• 4057[21:15:51] <aminvakil> after typing password or providing the key with usb key or whatever other solution, the key resides in memory
• 4058[21:15:52] <DDDD> Anyone with a rootkit could then just access your disk encryption keys
• 4059[21:16:13] <fourstepper> i am mostly looking at sid from the desktop perspective, where I am fine with fixing things from time to time, as long as the RAID isn't brought down including data loss when upgrading to a newer version ofs id
• 4060[21:16:28] <aminvakil> DDDD: exactly, i use arch btw
• 4061[21:16:30] <aminvakil> :)
• 4062[21:16:37] <sney> fourstepper: tbh that sounds like you should use testing
• 4063[21:16:59] <aminvakil> and i can't find a key in my /root or /
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• 4065[21:17:11] <DDDD> Sure / resides in memory too, but being able to sniff network stack buffers to get the password is one thing, having the knowlage to do cat is another :P
• 4066[21:17:26] <aminvakil> ?
• 4067[21:17:55] <aminvakil> DDDD: / resides in memory?
• 4068[21:18:10] <fourstepper> I am generally pretty comfortable running Arch, Alpine or Fedora as my "production" workstations, and do the upgrades on the weekend - I hate to ask this for sure overasked question, but does Sid have a bigger breakeage potential than, let's say, Arch?
• 4069[21:18:34] <freem> DDDD: I have a server on which I encrypted the disk, / included. There are 2 keys, there, one in my mind which is used to uncrypt /, and a second one to uncrypt the mountpoints, which is stored for convenience in /etc/crypttab
• 4070[21:18:47] <DDDD> was supposed to be "it" :P
• 4071[21:19:08] <aminvakil> DDDD: aha :)
• 4072[21:19:59] <sney> fourstepper: it depends. sid isn't designed as a rolling distro. it's where packages are first uploaded by debian developers, the only assurance you have is that they compiled on the dev's computer. but the ultimate aim is stability and the packages are supposed to be high quality. so it really varies based on what debian is working on at the time
• 4073[21:20:01] <mrkramps> fourstepper, one question, ten user, probably eleven different answers
• 4074[21:20:06] <aminvakil> freem: i had a machine which i had the key of another luks partition on /etc/luks-keys and i've point to it by /etc/crypttab, but this is different
• 4075[21:20:44] <DDDD> I think the reason manjaro/luks is storing the keys in / is because boot is encrypted. The password typed in at boot is used to decrypt /boot and then the keyfile is used to decrypt the rest of the disks, so you don't have to type the password several times.
• 4076[21:20:54] <sney> fourstepper: right now, bullseye is <1 month away from the freeze, which puts sid in a state we call "slushy" - it'll be pretty usable for an experienced linux user.
• 4077[21:20:58] <DDDD> But i'd rather have /boot/ unencrypted then this solution :P
• 4078[21:21:26] <sney> !slushy
• 4079[21:21:26] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
• 4080[21:21:40] <aminvakil> DDDD: then the key should be in /boot, not /
• 4081[21:21:42] <fourstepper> thanks sney mrkramps - thanks for the explanation. I will probably go and test this on my own on a second disk for some time to see how (un)stable the unstable really is. I do consider myself as an experienced linux user
• 4082[21:21:53] <freem> how can /boot be encrypted, anyway?
• 4083[21:22:07] <mrkramps> fourstepper, that's actually the best answer :D
• 4084[21:22:08] <freem> decrypted by UEFI?
• 4085[21:22:36] <aminvakil> freem: replaced-url
• 4086[21:22:40] <freem> because I doubt MSDOS's MBR is big enough for that kind of jokes, and I'd be surprised if GPT does it
• 4087[21:22:54] <sney> fourstepper: np, and make sure to read the sid faq. replaced-url
• 4088[21:23:04] <freem> ohhh.... ok, grub, say no more. Do they encrypt the /grub partition too? XD
• 4089[21:23:36] <ratrace> sney: luks keyfiles are not like SSH, with passphrases, they ARE the passphrases
• 4090[21:23:37] <fourstepper> sney thanks - wasn't aware that debian resides also elsewhere other than freenode - will go see what other communication channels exist
• 4091[21:23:44] <fourstepper> have a good day
• 4092[21:24:06] <sney> ratrace: ah, thanks for clarification'
• 4093[21:24:11] <ratrace> DDDD: so whta's wrong with storing the keyfile on the _encrypted_ drive?
• 4094[21:24:28] <aminvakil> ratrace: what's the necessity of doing so?
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• 4096[21:24:33] <DDDD> Either way imo its very weird to store luks files in /. But i'm no way a pro so maybe i'm just stupid :P
• 4097[21:24:36] <ratrace> sney: it's literally possible to echo -e "your password" > somefile and then use --key-file somefile
• 4098[21:24:49] <freem> I think the problem for DDDD is that one can steal the secret if can get access to disk
• 4099[21:24:53] <ratrace> aminvakil: mutliple drives unlocking
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• 4101[21:25:03] <trui> the oftc ones are technically the official channels, fourstepper
• 4102[21:25:18] <fourstepper> thanks :)
• 4103[21:25:25] <ratrace> surely to unlock / you don't store keys on / that's pointless. but if you have additional mountpoints, then you can store their keys in encrypted /etc/
• 4104[21:25:41] <aminvakil> yes, i have said that multiple lines before, i have done it too, but having the private key of the same partition on partition does not help
• 4105[21:25:43] <trui> i need a new username since someone is using this one there, apparently.
• 4106[21:25:51] <trui> alas
• 4107[21:26:15] <trui> unless it's me and i forgot
• 4108[21:26:19] <ratrace> aminvakil: it doesn't, is that the case with manjaro? or is it keeping / keys on (encrypted) /boot/ so you unlock once?
• 4109[21:26:33] <ratrace> becuse with grub, if you use encrypted /boot/ you can't reuse the passphrase for / . you HAVE to type it twices
• 4110[21:26:47] <DDDD> The key to my main drive where /root and /home resides is for some reason in /
• 4111[21:26:51] <ratrace> *twice . So a common method is to encrypt / with a keyfile stored on encrypted /boot/ that you unlock with your typed password
• 4112[21:26:57] <DDDD> Now if this was the key to a secondary drive i could live with that
• 4113[21:27:26] <ratrace> DDDD: well then ask manjaro why they do that. there's nothing in luks per se that woul do or mandate this
• 4114[21:27:29] <aminvakil> ratrace: yes, it seems that manjaro does this, DDDD was making sure this does not happen in debian
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• 4116[21:28:05] <ratrace> I can't say for certain becuse I manually debootstrap encrypted debian installations, but I doubt the installer is that dumb
• 4117[21:28:30] <ratrace> unless ..... it for some reason generates the passphrase randomly then stores on / for the uesr to make copy (and remove)
• 4118[21:29:12] <mrkramps> hm, manybe "somebody" could just test it in a VM?
• 4119[21:29:21] <DDDD> ratrace: Yeah i know i'm in the wrong channel mate and sorry to be bother you guys. But i didnt wanna reinstall to debian just to find out it works the exact same way.
• 4120[21:29:30] <DDDD> I'll just install it in vm and try
• 4121[21:29:35] <DDDD> yes exactly mrkramps :)
• 4122[21:29:35] <sney> my laptop downstairs has luks as configured by the debian installer, I could go check
• 4123[21:29:38] <mrkramps> :)
• 4124[21:29:41] <ratrace> yeah I can't say for sure, I don't use the installer
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• 4126[21:29:54] <ratrace> but it'd be dumb if it did _unless_ it generates a random passphrase
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• 4128[21:30:11] <mrkramps> DDDD, and let us know
• 4129[21:30:19] <freem> are there people usingthe installer around?
• 4130[21:30:35] <DDDD> :P
• 4131[21:30:38] <DDDD> i'm sadly one of them
• 4132[21:31:00] <mrkramps> seriously, there's an installer to be ... used by someone
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• 4134[21:31:14] <ratrace> DDDD: btw, where in / does it store it?
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• 4137[21:32:42] <ratrace> I'm thinking another option. Basically everything in /boot/ is programmatically put there by grub, initramfs-update and the kernel package. a keyfile for / would NOT. so maybe thats'a master copy in /etc/ from which initramfs-tools scripts copy into /boot/ on each update.
• 4138[21:32:43] <DDDD> in /
• 4139[21:33:08] <DDDD> ./crypto_keyfile.bin
• 4140[21:33:47] <ratrace> DDDD: is that file named somewhere in kernel command line?
• 4141[21:33:56] <sney> nothing like that on this bullseye laptop. I also grepped for my passphrase in /etc and nothing there either
• 4142[21:33:57] <TundraBear> Hello super users! How to recognize external audio card connected via firewire-thunderbolt adapter?
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• 4144[21:34:10] <trui> i used the debian installer to install stable, but the plan was to only use it once :P
• 4145[21:34:19] <freem> haha
• 4146[21:34:19] <ratrace> sney: but do you have encrypted /boot/ ?
• 4147[21:34:34] <ratrace> DDDD: and to confirm you have encrypted /boot/ ?
• 4148[21:34:37] <DDDD> from the crypttab file luks-adac181b-c561-415d-8c23-569c5d791580 UUID=UUID /crypto_keyfile.bin luks
• 4149[21:34:52] <trui> it's one of the attractions of debian vs ubuntu lts
• 4150[21:35:10] <sney> ratrace: no, this is luks as configured by the debian installer, which uses a regular ext2 partition for /boot
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• 4152[21:35:26] <ratrace> DDDD: I'm really thinking now that's the master copy used by scripts to inject into /boot/ and/or initramfs to unlock / from encrypted /boot/ that you unlock with your primary password
• 4153[21:35:57] <ratrace> becuse, again /boot/ can be programmatically recreated at any moment. having a master in / to copy from, makes sense.
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• 4155[21:36:04] <mrkramps> Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!
• 4156[21:36:07] <mrkramps> i hate my pc
• 4157[21:36:08] <sney> TundraBear: install alsa-utils, run 'aplay -l', if it shows in that list then pulse and any other audio applications should be able to use it out of the box. if not, you will need to figure out driver support.
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• 4159[21:36:17] <ratrace> now the location is maybe dumb, I'd put it in /etc/somwhere, but hey...
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• 4161[21:36:31] <sney> TundraBear: usb audio devices are *usually* plug and play, though. my focusrite solo needed 0 extra work
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• 4164[21:37:02] <freem> recreating /boot at any moment seems quite ugly to me
• 4165[21:37:13] <ratrace> quite the contrary
• 4166[21:37:44] <DDDD> ratrace: check pm
• 4167[21:37:46] <ratrace> the kernel is from a package, initramfs is autogenerated by triggers, grub config is autogenerated. there's nothing in /boot/ for uesr to fiddle with manually
• 4168[21:37:59] <ratrace> DDDD: what's in it?
• 4169[21:38:11] <ratrace> for *user to fiddle with
• 4170[21:38:24] <freem> I disagree. Also, more than 1 distro/OS can use the boot partition, especially in UEFI's case
• 4171[21:38:32] <DDDD> screenshot of the main drive.
• 4172[21:38:34] <ratrace> that's not /boot/ partition but ESP
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• 4174[21:38:47] <TundraBear> sney, thank you. Must i install some packages fro thunderbolt port?? My scheme is: audiocard->1394->thunderbolt->computer
• 4175[21:38:48] <freem> true. But then, why have a /boot partition at all?
• 4176[21:38:57] <ratrace> because grub
• 4177[21:39:05] <ratrace> and in this case because FDE
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• 4181[21:39:30] <freem> I don't see the point here? grub uses an own parition, yes, but of specific type because they always relied on an ugly hack of dos part system
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• 4183[21:39:42] <ratrace> freem: the context here is FDE with encrypted /boot/
• 4184[21:39:59] <ratrace> not every installation is ESP/EFI, and grub + /boot/ predates it. so, autogenerating it makes seense
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• 4186[21:40:25] <sney> TundraBear: to my knowledge, thunderbolt is basically external pci express. it shouldn't need extra drivers. maybe a new kernel if you have new hardware. but running peripherals through multiple adapters can have unpredictable results, also
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• 4188[21:40:58] <freem> why not, I guess. I don't know what's fde anyway
• 4189[21:41:08] <TundraBear> <sney> thank you MAN
• 4190[21:41:09] <quadrathoch2> freem only like 2 months ago grub got luks2 encryption support. till then you can't encrypt /boot (with luks2)
• 4191[21:41:18] <quadrathoch2> fde= full disk encryption
• 4192[21:41:24] <freem> oh.
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• 4194[21:42:00] <freem> I need to read more about it, from here it sounds like bad advertisement
• 4195[21:42:18] <ratrace> because you're confusing /boot/ with ESP
• 4196[21:42:26] <quadrathoch2> freem so sadly for debian, it's probably debian 12 (bookworm) where we finally get support for a fde (incl /boot)
• 4197[21:42:29] <ratrace> there's nothing in /boot/ for user to fiddle with. ESP is different
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• 4200[21:43:40] <freem> ratrace: not only. the simple idea of _full_ disk encrypted still being able to load grub does it
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• 4206[21:46:38] <ratrace> freem: yes and the context here, into which you interjected, was that the keyfile is probably stored on / as a master to be copied into /boot/ since everything else in /boot/ can be regenerated programmatically.
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• 4208[21:47:00] <ratrace> that's the only use case that would make sense to me, for /'s key to be stored on / itself (too).
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• 4231[22:15:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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• 4233[22:16:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> what process do i cat to get batt power left?
• 4234[22:16:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> /proc/ something?
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• 4236[22:17:36] <mrkramps> Eryn_1983_FL, /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/something
• 4237[22:17:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
• 4238[22:17:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> ty
• 4239[22:18:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> nothing but button and wakeup
• 4240[22:19:15] <mason> Eryn_1983_FL: install/run 'acpi' ? It's what I do
• 4241[22:19:25] <ratrace> replaced-url
• 4242[22:19:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok acpi
• 4243[22:19:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> that worked
• 4244[22:19:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> ty ty
• 4245[22:19:39] <_0xbadc0de> is there a big differnce between debian 10 wine and debian 11 wine
• 4246[22:19:47] <_0xbadc0de> coz I rememebr I was able to run this app befpre
• 4247[22:20:34] <ratrace> ,v wine
• 4248[22:20:35] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4
• 4249[22:20:57] <ratrace> you can look up changelogs and release notes between 4.x and 5.x, on winehq.org
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• 4251[22:21:08] <mrkramps> _0xbadc0de, version 5 to 4 was quite a jump in development
• 4252[22:21:12] <ratrace> meanwhile, you can always install latest from winehq's debian repos.
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• 4254[22:22:28] <mason> ratrace: How long has winehq been shipping a Debian repo? I don't remember that. Neat.
• 4255[22:23:06] <mason> Oh, never mind. I am remembering this now.
• 4256[22:23:30] <mason> the libfaudio0 note reminded me
• 4257[22:24:16] <mrkramps> winhq repo goes back to wheezy
• 4258[22:24:49] <mason> This same quality lets me reread books and enjoy them again and again, too.
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• 4261[22:29:29] <DDDD> Confirmed no crappy plaintext file on debian. Thanks for all the help, i'll start reinstalling and changing to debian.
• 4262[22:29:37] <trui> well, that's fun. i might have messed up an rsync, oops.
• 4263[22:29:53] <trui> i should have made it a script already
• 4264[22:30:10] <DDDD> Thank you ratrace aminvakil mrkramps for your assistance earlier.
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• 4268[22:32:26] <trui> ah, we good. i accidentally copied it to a seperate folder inside my regular backup folder.
• 4269[22:32:59] <trui> is it safe to interrupt rsync with ctrl+c or should i resign myself to a pointless full backup?
• 4270[22:33:48] <n4dir> just mv /regular_folder/wrong_dir/* /regular_folder after it finished?
• 4271[22:34:24] <n4dir> else i for one would ctrl+c . i guess.
• 4272[22:34:25] <trui> yeah, that'd work. i might as well keep it as a seperate backup though.
• 4273[22:34:34] <trui> i've got the space
• 4274[22:34:54] <n4dir> just so you are not sad: I fubar rsync commands all the time. Ain't that hard. :-)
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• 4276[22:35:20] <trui> yeah, lol. the difference between / and no / is important. ;)
• 4277[22:35:36] <n4dir> exactly that. :-) And i doubt we both are the only ones.
• 4278[22:35:49] <trui> i'm definitely making it a script though, since i think the mount name is always the same
• 4279[22:36:41] <n4dir> adding a safety net if it isn't isn't probably that hard. as in "will mount x to y, does that sound corect. y or no"
• 4280[22:37:00] <trui> true
• 4281[22:37:05] <n4dir> so i would prefer to keep it simple. I guess.
• 4282[22:37:21] <ratrace> mason: hah! I can re-watch movies like that. don't remember whta happend in most of them. only most impressive ones get remembered
• 4283[22:37:33] <n4dir> damnit. i make so many typos. so is though. I will go back to silence. good luck
• 4284[22:37:46] <trui> on the plus side, it's running less hot than it usually does during such a long backup. thanks to switching to openbox.
• 4285[22:37:49] <trui> thanks
• 4286[22:38:07] <bitsdude> exit
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• 4289[22:40:20] <trui> i'm in that greyzone between being an inexperienced user and really knowing what i'm doing, which is why debian works well for me.
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• 4291[22:41:02] <mrkramps> trui, this is the greyzone most of us live in
• 4292[22:41:51] <trui> true, but i'm on the more inexperienced end. i'm not scared by a terminal, but i like that i don't have to touch stuff for years if i don't want to.
• 4293[22:42:43] <trui> every time i help a family member with windows, i'm glad i'm on debian. ;) it'd be too much work to get what they use working on debian, so i wouldn't recommend them to switch, but i'm glad it works for me.
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• 4295[22:44:46] <trui> i tried fedora once, though now i'm regretting having to delete the lvm partition from debian. not sure how to do that safely. :P gparted recommends that i use lvm's tools.
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• 4299[22:49:27] <mason> trui: Help family members with Debian and you'll feel better still.
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• 4303[22:51:17] <trui> it's a bit selfish, mason, but with windows, i can blame any problems on windows 10. with debian, any problems would be blamed on me.
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• 4305[22:51:38] <n4dir> lol.
• 4306[22:51:53] <mason> heh
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• 4308[22:52:21] <sney> family tech support is best kept to a minimum, for the sake of everyone's sanity
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• 4310[22:52:27] <trui> and i'm really not looking forward to trying to get their essential programs working on wine.
• 4311[22:52:32] <CommunistWolf> s/tech support//
• 4312[22:52:53] <CommunistWolf> mrs CommunistWolf runs debian on her laptop, it's been fine
• 4313[22:53:08] <n4dir> i also stopped helping others with Windows. If they think it is such a comfortable OS, they can do it themselves.
• 4314[22:53:42] <trui> my mother uses a specific version of WordPerfect, a tax program, and a few other essential programs.
• 4315[22:54:12] <trui> so it's essential that those work for her business.
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• 4317[22:55:02] <trui> it might not be impossible, but remote tech support is easier when she's on windows.
• 4318[22:56:17] <trui> 'reinstall/update this driver' or 'update windows' are usually the solutions. or sometimes, 'go back to an earlier version of windows'
• 4319[22:57:06] <trui> if none of those work: 'it's windows 10.'
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• 4322[22:57:45] <trui> or reload said drivers/whatnot
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• 4324[22:58:22] <freem> ^happened regurlarly to me last time I had to handle windows, for network ones
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• 4327[23:00:05] <trui> i mean, debian wouldn't be too bad. even when i've moved to europe, I could use when I visit her to do the big every two year update.
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• 4331[23:04:52] <mutante> WordPerfect.. blast from the past. That was before "Word" was a thing :P
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• 4333[23:05:44] <mutante> trui: solve it by doing actual remote support as in you take over her desktop
• 4334[23:05:48] <mutante> from remote
• 4335[23:06:06] <mutante> not "tell her on the phone what to try to click"
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• 4337[23:08:38] <trui> skype works too, and eh, i guess. 'okay, so whitelist my ip and open this port--' eep
• 4338[23:09:22] <trui> and yeah. the current version of wordperfect is too expensive, so she hasn't updated.
• 4339[23:09:33] <trui> i think it's gone to a subscription model perhaps
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• 4341[23:10:22] <trui> but this is getting into #debian-offtopic territory now
• 4342[23:11:11] <trui> is it safe to just delete an unmounted lvm partition? despite what gparted says?
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• 4344[23:11:34] <greycat> does it contain a file system? if so, mount it and see what's in it.
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• 4346[23:12:02] <trui> i've got a parition which uses lvm which currently has fedora on it.
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• 4348[23:12:09] <trui> since i tried it out once
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• 4350[23:12:23] <trui> now i'm on my main debian partition and i'm considering deleting fedora.
• 4351[23:12:25] <greycat> if you're never going to use it, then sure, you can delete it
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• 4354[23:13:33] <trui> i guess the warning is that you can't delete one lvm subpartition (or whatever you call it) without affecting the entire lvm partition?
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• 4356[23:14:07] <trui> which isn't an issue in my case, i don't think, since i want to delete/free the entire partition
• 4357[23:14:16] <greycat> ... you're omitting too much information here.
• 4358[23:14:25] <greycat> If the lvm partition *in use*?
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• 4360[23:15:07] <trui> i'm not sure how to find that out. i don't think so
• 4361[23:15:51] <greycat> but there's a "warning"?
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• 4363[23:17:45] <trui> it says 'you are deleting non-empty lvm2 physical volume'. Deleting or overwriting the physical volume is irrecoverable and will destroy or damage the volume group'. which, i think is fine, because my debian install doesn't use lvm and it's on a seperate partition anyways.
• 4364[23:18:23] <trui> and i want to delete the fedora lvm partitions.
• 4365[23:18:42] <trui> i've just never done stuff with lvm before
• 4366[23:19:28] <mutante> trui: If $have_backup then echo "yolo, only one way to find out" else "create backup"
• 4367[23:19:42] <sney> trui: look at this diagram to understand which part of LVM you are looking at. replaced-url
• 4368[23:19:46] <trui> true, and i do have backup.
• 4369[23:20:20] <sney> typically when reusing parts of a disk handled by LVM, you only want to change logical volumes, not any of the higher level stuff.
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• 4373[23:21:30] <jhutchins> trui: You can kill an rsync, and it will resume without repeating files.
• 4374[23:22:10] <trui> hmm, even when i want to free the physical volume to later format as a non-lvm partition? sney
• 4375[23:22:37] <trui> debian is on sda1, fedora lvm is on another physical volume
• 4376[23:22:47] <trui> and good to know, jhutchins
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• 4378[23:24:11] <trui> the plan is to delete it, then either use the free drive space to make a partition to try out sid, or just leave it there.
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• 4383[23:27:22] <mason> Hrm, interesting. Just upgraded a Stretch box to Buster, and it panics on boot with only 128M of RAM.
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• 4385[23:27:47] <trui> why are my paritions so messy? haha. there's also this 1 gb partition which i have no idea what it's being used for. not lvm.
• 4386[23:28:54] <mason> 256M seems to work
• 4387[23:29:10] <mutante> yea, i think that matches official minimum hardware requirements afair
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• 4389[23:29:46] <mutante> yea, 256 if "with desktop"
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• 4391[23:30:53] <mason> hrm - this is a text-only box. And the panic is before the kernel passes off to userland from what I can see, but checking that.
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• 4393[23:31:48] <mutante> hmm. to be fair it also says "It is practically impossible to give general memory or disk space requirements for server installations as those very much depend on what the server is to be used for" on that page
• 4394[23:31:52] <mason> Yeah, it's on loading the initramfs.
• 4395[23:32:30] <mutante> interesting. well, something just crossed the threshold it seems
• 4396[23:32:36] <mason> yep
• 4397[23:33:01] <mason> It's not a show-stopper, just surprising. I was always happy I could squeeze down single-purpose server VMs that small.
• 4398[23:33:19] <mason> But frankly, 256M is still small enough.
• 4399[23:33:49] <mutante> mason: maybe there is no need to actually go 128->256 and we are just so used to it.. if a VM.. why not try 160 :)
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• 4401[23:33:58] <mason> Hm, and sure enough, the old initrd was 18M, new is 25M.
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• 4403[23:34:29] <mason> mutante: I'm too contained by my box to have thought of that. Giving it a try. :)
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• 4405[23:35:26] <mason> Indeed, the extra 32M was enough.
• 4406[23:35:58] <mrkramps> mason, already plan adding a little extra for bullseye
• 4407[23:36:06] <mason> Hm, maybe I'll go to 192. 160 gets me five megs free, and the box will likely accumulate a bit as it goes.
• 4408[23:36:14] <mutante> go crazy and give it an odd number, 171MB
• 4409[23:36:18] <mason> haha
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• 4416[23:39:09] <mason> I'll let you guys bleed on Bullseye for a while before I start thinking about it.
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