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1[00:00:30] <agio> zerocool: so you need to ensure your sublocations match + override you / auth location block
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15[00:05:48] <agio> I wanted to list the problematic python packages, but now there are other unrelated packages listed as "upgradeable"
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30[00:11:10] <jelly> altendky, it's not different if you do it that way, but if you connect both disks at the same time you can pvmove all the LVs online without downtime.
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33[00:11:55] <jelly> altendky, and then only /boot (and /boot/efi if you do UEFI boot) and boot loader setup remain
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40[00:14:52] <altendky> jelly: does that get the mbr? Or have to grub after that?
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42[00:16:26] <jelly> altendky, pvmove only deals with LVM
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44[00:17:58] <jelly> on a single disk installation you'll typically have a boot loader, two or three partitions, one for /boot, one for /boot/efi on an UEFI system, one as a PV for LVM and evetything else (/, swap, ...) inside
45[00:18:36] <jelly> adding a second PV to the LVM VG and using pvmove deals with migration of "everything else"
46[00:19:37] <jelly> /boot and grub has to be dealt with separately on a BIOS booting disk.
47[00:19:43] <SerajewelKS> making /boot and the LVM PV each single-disk raid1s isn't a bad idea either since you can then put them on every physical disk later, if you decide to go for a redundant setup
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49[00:20:08] <SerajewelKS> with a raid1 /boot and / you can boot from either disk
50[00:20:28] <jelly> I don't know what "single-disk raid1" can possibly mean
51[00:20:48] <altendky> jelly: I'll probably just be lazy and dd. It's my laptop and being away from it a bit could be good. Simplest is best here I think.
52[00:20:51] <SerajewelKS> an mdadm raid1 with a single active disk (degraded)
53[00:21:23] <jelly> ah, an additional layer
54[00:21:36] <SerajewelKS> it makes it easy to add redundancy later. as well as move your /boot around.
55[00:21:48] <SerajewelKS> (LVM raid1 is still too iffy for me)
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57[00:23:00] <SerajewelKS> my standard setup for new boxes now is: /boot in raid1, and / in LVM in LUKS in raid1
58[00:23:22] <jelly> altendky, with PV on a partition, you need to first extend the partition, then do a pvresize, then will have extra space in the VG visible
59[00:23:24] <SerajewelKS> even if the luks keyfile is on /boot. if i want encryption later i just migrate to a passphrase. also if i want to wipe the disk for RMA i just shred the keyfile.
60[00:23:53] <altendky> jelly: right, thanks
61[00:24:37] <SerajewelKS> the overhead of each layer is negligible these days and it beats trying to e.g. add LUKS later, which you can't do online
62[00:24:52] <jelly> well TECHNICALLY
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64[00:25:33] <jelly> nothing stops you from making a md raid1 with one member cleartext and one member luks
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67[00:26:08] <SerajewelKS> except that raid1-in-luks has pitfalls compared to luks-in-raid1
68[00:26:17] <SerajewelKS> and then the second disk has to be slightly bigger to accomodate luks metadata
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70[00:26:31] <jelly> or the first disk slightly smaller.
71[00:26:38] <SerajewelKS> same thing :)
72[00:26:54] <jelly> it's not hard to shrink ext4 just a tiny bit
73[00:27:08] <SerajewelKS> correct. but it's nice to be able to do things online.
74[00:28:12] <jelly> your way is cleaner than any technically doable hack
75[00:28:50] <jelly> so I'll refrain from mentioning other hacky options
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94[00:35:15] <altendky> SerajewelKS: maybe twenty years ago... Now I just need a simple swap every few years where simple is defined by learning less. Sorry :|
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104[00:45:57] <SerajewelKS> altendky: no it's fine, it's your system and not mine. i just like to give options.
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106[00:47:00] <SerajewelKS> i don't care what you decide, i just want the decision to be informed
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108[00:47:43] <altendky> SerajewelKS: I appreciate it. I put my 'learning' time into python right now. If I did it more often I'd care more. And I might do the lvm stuff on my data drive when it gets upgraded at some point
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153[01:23:27] <Nuri> W: replaced-url
154[01:23:28] <Nuri> W: replaced-url
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157[01:24:53] <themill> Nuri: are you a synaptic user by any chance?
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166[01:27:32] <Nuri> I get this error every time I log into the repository
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175[01:31:06] <agio> jelly: you mentioned earlier about extending a partition to accomodate a PV resize. how would you extend the partitionn? you would need to alter the MBR right?
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181[01:32:53] <agio> does the the phyisical partition resizing need to be performed in conjunction with the resize of the PV LVM inside it?
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192[01:35:35] <scatterbrainz> anyone around that can help with a partitioning / space / install questions?
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195[01:36:04] <agio> just ask - you'll find out
196[01:36:45] <scatterbrainz> i'm doing a debian 9.5 install, and I'm trying to figure out , what to put where, I have 120GB SSD, (2) x 500GB SSD's, and 4th 240GB SSD that could go in the box, but isn't currently.
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199[01:38:06] <agio> do you want to encrypt your / ?
200[01:38:26] <agio> + /swap + $HOME + everything else?
201[01:38:38] <scatterbrainz> do I need to?
202[01:39:01] <scatterbrainz> consider: this is going to be a web server with outside remote access.
203[01:39:06] <scatterbrainz> also a development JS server
204[01:39:07] <scatterbrainz> so
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206[01:39:19] <scatterbrainz> as well sql db testing server
207[01:39:19] <scatterbrainz> so
208[01:39:24] <scatterbrainz> how much space does all that take?
209[01:39:25] <scatterbrainz> idk
210[01:39:29] <scatterbrainz> i was gonna do
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214[01:40:05] <agio> whoa, did you paste a bunch of stuff?
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216[01:40:14] <dvs> too
217[01:40:15] <dvs> many
218[01:40:17] <dvs> line in
219[01:40:19] <dvs> a
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223[01:40:38] <scatterbrainz> oops ... I was going to do 2GB for /boot, 32GB /swap = 32GB RAM installed, and 70GB for /root, then I was gonna put 2 x 500SSD's in raid, for /home / usr / svr ...
224[01:40:59] <scatterbrainz> i type tooo fast too mahy line entries in a time, and it kicks you for flooding you can come right back in tho
225[01:41:38] <agio> 2G for /boot?
226[01:41:41] <agio> !?
227[01:41:47] <scatterbrainz> yeah
228[01:41:59] <agio> theat only takes about 250M
229[01:42:18] <agio> only needs 250M for kernel and initramfs
230[01:42:44] <scatterbrainz> i was told old kernals can build up
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233[01:43:05] <dvs> scatterbrainz, not 2GB build up
234[01:43:16] <dvs> 500MB absolute max
235[01:43:27] <dvs> even that is a bit much
236[01:44:15] <themill> at 200 MB per kernel, ...
237[01:44:21] <dvs> scatterbrainz, I have three kernels and it's taking up 122MB in boot
238[01:45:09] <agio> my /boot currently occupies 63MB -
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240[01:46:06] <agio> does a phyisical partition resizing need to be performed in conjunction with the resize of the PV LVM inside it?
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242[01:46:49] <agio> or can you extend partition with a non-LVM program (e.g. cfdisk)
243[01:47:00] <agio> then do LVM operations later
244[01:47:11] <agio> ?
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248[01:47:58] <scatterbrainz> how big is /root
249[01:48:00] <scatterbrainz> or /
250[01:48:03] <scatterbrainz> same thingee to me
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253[01:49:26] <agio> !test
254[01:49:26] <dpkg> Test failed.
255[01:49:33] <agio> /root is the $HOME dir for root user, / is the top of the OS file tree
256[01:49:47] <dvs> scatterbrainz, 20GB would be fine if /var is a separate partition
257[01:49:59] <scatterbrainz> ok, what do I put on the raid
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259[01:51:03] <scatterbrainz> how big should /var be
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263[01:53:05] <dvs> scatterbrainz, I'd put /home on the raid because you can't replace those files (easily)
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265[01:53:48] <joepublic> well, /home is not necessary for boot nor maintenance
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268[01:54:40] <scatterbrainz> ok....so here's the thingee : on the stand-alone 120GB drive i'm putting which partitions and size and on the 500's which will go to raid i'm putting what and /partition size?
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276[01:58:28] <joepublic> I have about 20GB on my / (not counting /home and /var), about 40GB on /var, and entirely too much under /home which is on a separate volume
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278[01:58:54] <joepublic> for this particular machine, which has been accumulating experimental junk for years without benefit of a reinstall.
279[01:59:02] <scatterbrainz> but I would want to put all of that on the raid correct?
280[01:59:30] <m_g_lewis> How do I find out if my wifi driver is installed correctly?
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282[02:00:40] <joepublic> scatterbrainz, are you talking about 70GB for / (not on raid) and larger than that for /home and /var on raid? do I understand it correctly?
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284[02:01:09] <scatterbrainz> hey Joe: it doesn't matter to me,
285[02:01:17] <scatterbrainz> I just want to get it up and running
286[02:01:22] <dvs> scatterbrainz, iwlist scanning
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288[02:01:33] <dvs> oops
289[02:01:42] <dvs> m_g_lewis, , iwlist scanning
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291[02:01:46] <agio> you meant m_g_lewis
292[02:01:50] <agio> dvs
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294[02:02:02] <scatterbrainz> sooo 3 ssd's 120/500/500 so..../boot goes on the 120 with 500mb or 1gb shoudl be more than enough, then everything else partitioned in raid?
295[02:02:19] <joepublic> if it was me, I would put the 120 as / , then put /home and a swap partition on the raid I think.
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298[02:02:56] <scatterbrainz> that's so far what's current Joe....but i have 2GB -> /boot and 118//root
299[02:03:09] <joepublic> scatterbrainz, sounds perfect to me. and /home on the big raid.
300[02:03:27] <scatterbrainz> now the question is, I have to make the partitions BEFORE i make the raid? correct?
301[02:03:46] <scatterbrainz> or make raid then partition?
302[02:04:09] <joepublic> I want to say that you can make them right in debian-installer, but I would not rely on that and it would not be a bad idea to build the raid before installing.
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304[02:04:39] <joepublic> the raid should show up as /md0 and you can format and mount that as /home
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306[02:04:56] <joepublic> make that /dev/md0
307[02:05:33] <scatterbrainz> lets hope debian over-write the fedora LVM
308[02:05:47] <scatterbrainz> it was hanging at 60% last time i tried
309[02:06:10] <joepublic> I would think you could boot to live media and use gparted to write new partition tables to any drives you want "erased"
310[02:06:27] <scatterbrainz> i dunno i'm at 3%
311[02:06:30] <scatterbrainz> so we'll see
312[02:06:33] <scatterbrainz> i'm erasing the data
313[02:06:35] <joepublic> your point is well taken.
314[02:07:15] <scatterbrainz> how big should /home / var / svr / usr be respectively?
315[02:07:20] <scatterbrainz> their all different partitions right/
316[02:07:27] <scatterbrainz> ?
317[02:07:53] <joepublic> well, everything will go along under / unless you tell debian-installer to mount something somewhere.
318[02:08:04] <scatterbrainz> exactly
319[02:08:08] <joepublic> so, prepare the 118GB and tell debian-installer to use it as /
320[02:08:17] <joepublic> the prepare the raid and tell debian-installer to use it as /home
321[02:08:18] <scatterbrainz> i already did
322[02:08:29] <scatterbrainz> but how much space?
323[02:08:38] <scatterbrainz> or will it auto allocate the disk space for /home
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326[02:09:25] <joepublic> presumably you had the conversation about partitions already? if you told it to mount a partition as /home, then that is how big /home will be. other directories will be part of the 118GB /
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328[02:09:43] <scatterbrainz> no
329[02:09:49] <scatterbrainz> no said nothing about that
330[02:10:01] <scatterbrainz> i'm planning on putting / and /home on different physical volumes
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333[02:10:25] <joepublic> yes. so the partition you mount as /home will be wherever it is.
334[02:10:45] <scatterbrainz> but when I partition it, it will ask me how much space of the drives to give it
335[02:10:52] <scatterbrainz> 15%
336[02:10:54] <scatterbrainz> :(
337[02:10:57] <scatterbrainz> its sooooooo slow
338[02:10:58] <scatterbrainz> OMG
339[02:11:21] <joepublic> I would recommend allocating 32GB on the raid for swap and "the rest" for /home
340[02:11:38] <scatterbrainz> what about /svr and /usr and /var ?
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342[02:11:48] <scatterbrainz> are those all included IN /home?
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345[02:11:57] <joepublic> no, they are under / and would be on the 118GB
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347[02:12:07] <joepublic> except there is no such directory /svr by default
348[02:12:25] <scatterbrainz> then shouldnt / be on the raid?
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350[02:12:52] <m_g_lewis> dvs: iwlist scanning shows me the interface that is up...I have two wifi cards and the second one is not working...I need to know if the driver is loaded...
351[02:13:00] <joepublic> scatterbrainz, that is kind of a philosophical question. If everything is on the raid, what is the 120GB device for?
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353[02:13:05] <dvs> scatterbrainz, you don't need so many different partitions. That's a newbie mistake: to make all those different partition so later on, one partition gets full and they have to do some fancy footwork to get some room back.
354[02:13:11] <scatterbrainz> dvs: /boot
355[02:13:15] <scatterbrainz> it can NOT go on raid
356[02:13:30] <scatterbrainz> and I couldn't get anything smaller
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358[02:14:01] <scatterbrainz> besides it was only $40
359[02:14:02] <scatterbrainz> LOL
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361[02:14:17] <joepublic> yeah 120GB is pretty small. I guess I would say that if you ever have raid problems, if / is on raid you can't boot but if it's not, you can.
362[02:14:18] <scatterbrainz> actually I piad $40 for a kingston 240GB SSD
363[02:14:45] <scatterbrainz> so i put it in an external drive case as secondary storage for my macbook
364[02:14:45] <joepublic> I have several of those 120GB SSDs lying around, so I kind of know what you mean
365[02:14:51] <scatterbrainz> and took the 120 out of there to use as boot
366[02:15:01] <scatterbrainz> 28%
367[02:16:49] <scatterbrainz> after i get it installed and up and running i gotta program, wanna get my assingment done tonight for Sunday...so I can take week-end off
368[02:16:50] <scatterbrainz> ugh
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370[02:24:10] <scatterbrainz> 54%
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372[02:26:39] <scatterbrainz> oooh 61%
373[02:26:45] <scatterbrainz> never got this far before
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379[02:30:25] <scatterbrainz> oooh 72%
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451[03:25:24] <rant> I have some issues with lightdm and fprintd, sometimes it doesnt show the "swipe finger" message, yet the scanner lights up and takes the print but says invalid password when I click login and doesnt take the password box away like it normally does when it matches a print. I'm not sure if this is some kinda config issue where its suppose to not allow fingerprint auth after a certain period of time or what.
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456[03:26:22] <rant> seems to always work on a fresh start of lightdm, its after its been idle for awhile like when the session is locked, that it acts up
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606[05:55:37] <volga629> Hello Everyone, trying build custom deb package how I can include service file ?
607[05:55:58] <volga629> install -Dm 644 myservice.service "$pkgdir"/usr/lib/systemd/system/myservice.service
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736[07:51:18] <rekishi> stupid question but I'm having the weirdest issue with ethtool
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738[07:51:43] <rekishi> router, server, and cable all support gigabit but ethtool says the link partner can only support 100
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867[09:26:15] <at0m> hi, how do i set laptop's screen brightness from a terminal?
868[09:27:03] <SpeedyG> there's various ways, arch has a nice write-up on it: replaced-url
869[09:28:04] <at0m> SpeedyG: thanks!
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934[10:14:28] <dcpc007> is it really complicated to create a preseed script with fixed IP and LVM paritionning ?
935[10:15:27] <SpeedyG> not really I guess
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939[10:15:40] <SpeedyG> although I stayed away from it since I didnt need it ;)
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967[10:35:16] <darxmurf> I don't understand something with LVM snapshots. Why to give a snapshot size ? If I have a 1Tb volume with 100Gb of files in there. Then I create a snapshot of that, it will "take" 100Gb of space isn't it ?
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969[10:36:04] <darxmurf> then I add 100Gb of files on my main volume. My snapshot LV will keep the same size as before, no ?
970[10:36:21] <darxmurf> and if I mount it, I will find the same state as before to add those 100Gb of files
971[10:36:45] <darxmurf> then what's the purpose to extend the size of the snapshot LV ?
972[10:36:57] <jelly> darxmurf: you can tell LVM to reserve less space than the total size, hoping there won't be as many block changes (writes)
973[10:38:00] <jelly> so tell it to use just 10GB, then the snapshot will be usable as long as there is less then 10GB of differences between the original volume and the snapshot
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976[10:39:16] <jelly> blocks that are unchanged will be read from the original place
977[10:39:42] <darxmurf> so this snapshot is taking "virtually" the same size as the original partition
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981[10:41:09] <SchneeSchwarz> darxmurf: technically the snapshot is simply a buffer space where blocks from the origin are saved before they are written to in the origin.
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983[10:42:14] <SchneeSchwarz> So if you mount the snapshot somewhere and access a block that hasn't changed in the origin since the snapshot was created, this block will actually be read from the origin.#
984[10:42:33] <darxmurf> so, you potentially need twice the size of you storage
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987[10:43:39] <darxmurf> I'm trying to understand how it works before to implement that with shadow copy on samba
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989[10:44:52] <darxmurf> So, the best option would be a "small" snapshot per day you rotate on 7 days, then keep 4 larger for the past 4 weeks and eventually 6 larger for the last 6 months
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991[10:46:11] <SchneeSchwarz> No. As I said: before changing a block in the origin, it will be saved in the snapshot. Obviously you need at most [size of origin] space to (potentially) save all blocks of the origin.
992[10:46:30] <SchneeSchwarz> IOW: a snapshot size bigger than the origin is nonsense.
993[10:46:32] <darxmurf> or only one backup per day without shadow copy and train users to not make dumb things
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998[10:48:43] <darxmurf> SchneeSchwarz: but for instance: now I create my snap, I only have 5 text files on my storage, and the size of the LV for the snapshot is 10Mb
999[10:48:54] <darxmurf> then one guy add a 100MB file
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1001[10:49:27] <darxmurf> and delete the 5 text files
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1004[10:49:43] <darxmurf> if I mount the snapshot LV, I will be able to find back the 5 text files isn't it ?
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1007[10:50:13] <SchneeSchwarz> If there are more blocks changed in the origin than the snapshot's capacaty, the snapshot becomes invlaid (useless).
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1011[10:51:34] <SchneeSchwarz> *invalid
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1013[10:51:59] <darxmurf> hmm okay
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1015[10:53:17] <darxmurf> thanks
1016[10:54:11] <darxmurf> and as I have to stop smb before to xfs_freeze and snapshot, I'm wondering if this solution is the best one :D
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1029[11:02:41] <aaii> when i boot i faced this error : ata1 srst failed (errno=-16)
1030[11:03:24] <aaii> How i can solve it? (this error make my boot time so long)
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1046[11:12:14] <aaii> when i boot i faced this error : ata1 srst failed (errno=-16)
1047[11:12:28] <aaii> How i can solve it? (this error make my boot time so long
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1060[11:22:55] <Fox> aaii: what king of hard drive do you have ? sata/pata/ssd ?
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1062[11:23:26] <aaii> Fox, I have 2 drives sata and ssd
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1065[11:24:08] <aaii> But now for my Debian GNU/Linux i use sata
1066[11:24:10] <Fox> strange, only saw this message with PATA drives
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1068[11:24:29] <Fox> do you have any jumper on your sata drive ?
1069[11:24:43] <aaii> Fox, idk :(
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1071[11:24:51] <RoyK> Fox: hopefully not :)
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1074[11:25:13] <Fox> RoyK: some do :)
1075[11:25:24] <RoyK> I don't think I've ever seen a sata drive with jumpers
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1078[11:25:42] <Fox> I did, but quite some time ago (15 years maybe...)
1079[11:26:20] <aaii> Fox, Do you know how i can solve it?
1080[11:26:27] <RoyK> well, if you have a 15yo sata drive, it can probably be replaced by a micro sd card these days :)
1081[11:26:33] <Fox> aaii: if you have no jumper, no :/
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1083[11:26:50] <Fox> RoyK: been a long time since I trashed it ;)
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1085[11:27:32] <aaii> Fox, So i think i dont have jumper
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1087[11:27:55] <RoyK> aaii: how old is this disk?
1088[11:28:18] <jelly> back around sata1 -> sata2 switchover some enterprise oriented models would have jumpers to force sata1 speed
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1090[11:28:38] <RoyK> aaii: and is it the only one in the system? and what does BIOS say about it? Is BIOS in IDE/emulation mode or SATA?
1091[11:28:43] <aaii> RoyK, maybe 3 or 4 years
1092[11:28:55] <RoyK> shouldn't need any jumpers then
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1095[11:29:49] <RoyK> seems the error message is related to ata compatibility with master/slave/cs stuff - not in use anymore (thank gods)
1096[11:29:50] <aaii> RoyK, idk about bios say about it
1097[11:30:06] <RoyK> enter bios and look around, then
1098[11:30:21] <aaii> ok i will come back
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1112[11:39:53] <tedarek> does someone here use a nice network simulator program?
1113[11:40:15] <SpeedyG> GNS?
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1116[11:41:20] <aaii> RoyK, i saw bios
1117[11:41:34] <tedarek> SpeedyG, it's open source, right?
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1121[11:45:15] <RoyK> aaii: what did you see? anything like what I mentioned above?
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1125[11:46:37] <aaii> RoyK, no i didnt see
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1129[11:50:02] <RoyK> aaii: you may want to "reset to default" or "reset to failsafe" in bios first
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1142[12:01:01] <aaii> RoyK, I did it on failsafe
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1152[12:08:08] <RoyK> aaii: do you mean it now works?
1153[12:08:41] <aaii> RoyK, No i did it but still i have that error
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1171[12:21:16] <__m4ch1n3__> would the idle recompiling of debian kernel source with "/boot/config-$(uname -r)" config give me any advantages like better otimization or something?
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1174[12:21:31] <__m4ch1n3__> *optimization
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1194[12:39:18] <Dyl0n> ++
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1196[12:40:28] <__m4ch1n3__> ??
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1204[12:44:45] <jim> hi, tmux is saying it needs a utf-8 locale but I have ANSI_X3.4-1968. how can I install a utf-8 locale that's compatible?
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1219[12:51:21] <__m4ch1n3__> not sure if it will work but you could try run tmux with enviroment variable like 'LANG="en_US.UTF-8" tmux'
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1245[13:10:36] <__m4ch1n3__> kernel build runs a hour now ...
1246[13:10:50] <__m4ch1n3__> reminds me of installing a package on gentoo
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1269[13:21:32] <Devastator> does the openvpn server.conf should be in /etc/openvpn/server.conf or /etc/openvpn/server/server.conf?
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1273[13:24:47] <vlt> Devastator: I use the former.
1274[13:25:29] <Devastator> vlt well, then what is the point of server folder?
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1276[13:27:32] <vlt> Devastator: I don't know. Where did that come from?
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1278[13:28:56] <Devastator> vlt the folder? came with installation
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1292[13:35:37] <scatterbrainz> morning linuxers :)
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1298[13:39:04] <__m4ch1n3__> morning brainz
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1306[13:42:22] <scatterbrainz> ugh...i got a bootloader problem
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1332[14:00:15] <mspe> grub?
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1337[14:06:23] <Devastator> so.. when installing openvpn it creates client folder and server folder in /etc/openvpn, what is the use of those?
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1343[14:08:27] <inch> server is for server configs and client for client configs. Then you can start/stop/enable/disable them with systemctl ... openvpn-client@foo.service and openvpn-server@bar.service
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1348[14:11:11] <Devastator> inch well, I put server.conf in /etc/openvpn/server/ but openvpn doesn't start. I've also created a folder logs as per replaced-url
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1357[14:12:47] <inch> try systemctl status openvpn-server@server.service and journalctl -u openvpn-server@server.service
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1371[14:14:59] <Devastator> inch first one said Active: active (exited), second one said no entries
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1382[14:17:51] <inch> You can try the older way that was in jessie already: Move server.conf go /etc/openvpn and try starting openvpn@server.service
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1400[14:25:27] <Devastator> inch yeah, but that doesn't look right
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1494[15:18:25] <annadane> hi, how can i diagnose the following: when i'm playing audio, and open pavucontrol, if my headphones are plugged in i get a buzz and then a really high pitched squealing? sometimes it doesn't even go away until i unplug the headphones - even switching the sound source to the headphones will do this; if i unplug them and plug back in, then the sound plays in them fine
1495[15:20:18] <pistache> annadane: on a laptop or desktop ? (also, thats not very debian-specific)
1496[15:20:28] <annadane> pistache, desktop
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1517[15:35:47] <pistache> annadane: your power supply could be a good suspect
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1519[15:38:18] <annadane> for the headphones? maybe. i guess i could just get a new pair
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1521[15:38:45] <annadane> unless you mean the computer power supply; this didn't happen with my old ones
1522[15:38:56] <pistache> I meant the computer PS
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1526[15:39:47] <joepublic> The computer power supply makes pavucontrol generate a buzzing sound?
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1529[15:40:20] <pistache> ah, you only get the buzz when you open pavucontrol ?
1530[15:40:26] <pistache> I had misunderstood, sorry
1531[15:40:43] <pistache> that is pretty weird
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1533[15:41:19] <pistache> be sure to check your mic settings
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1537[15:42:17] <pistache> also if you're on Intel you can try loading snd_hda_intel with power_save=0
1538[15:42:47] <annadane> intel processor, yes
1539[15:43:00] <annadane> how do i do that?
1540[15:44:06] <joepublic> general text on boot parameters: replaced-url
1541[15:45:20] <joepublic> you stick the parameters at the end of the kernel boot line in grub; to make them permanent, edit the change into /etc/default/grub and then sudo update-grub
1542[15:45:22] <pistache> annadane: see 5.3.4. in joepublic's link
1543[15:45:35] <pistache> "snd_hda_intel" is a "kernel module"
1544[15:45:40] <pistache> and you want to pass an option to it
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1563[15:55:50] <aaii> RoyK, My problem in ssd hardware
1564[15:55:52] <aaii> How i can fix it
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1571[15:57:52] <RoyK> no idea - chess now ;)
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1573[15:58:11] <joepublic> the answer probably does not involve fire in any significant way.
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1575[15:59:53] <aaii> RoyK, ok
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1593[16:06:55] <RoyK> aaii: Fabio Caruana vs Magnus Carlsen - world championship - must-see :D
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1597[16:08:01] <aaii> RoyK, Maybe harder than chess to solve this problem
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1599[16:09:44] <RoyK> perhaps I can help out later - a bit busy now ;)
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1601[16:10:15] <Fox> only thing harder than chess is go (or maybe "understanding women" can't be harder too :))
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1604[16:10:52] <aaii> RoyK, ok no problem :)
1605[16:11:10] <aaii> Fox, i dont think so ,chess is easy ! :D
1606[16:11:36] <f0x> Fox: shogi is also a bit more complicated
1607[16:12:42] <Fox> f0x: never played shogi, i'll have to trust you on that :)
1608[16:13:36] <RoyK> aaii: computer stuff is more easy ;)
1609[16:14:18] <aaii> Comment is easy :D but doing right is not easy :D
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1611[16:14:39] <aaii> *commenting
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1763[17:44:17] <annadane> oh, btw. i think i asked this before and didn't get an answer. for virt-manager, what are standard groups to add your user to, just libvirt and kvm?
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1841[18:28:36] <dorian__> Hey.
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1844[18:28:57] * annadane wave
1845[18:29:15] <dorian__> I can't find the gcc man pages on buster. I added main and contrib to my /etc/apt/sources.list and ran an apt update but still I can't find it.
1846[18:29:26] <joepublic> sometimes you're a particle, sometimes you're....
1847[18:29:42] <joepublic> you didn't have main in your sources.list before now??
1848[18:29:43] <dorian__> Do you know where I can get the man pageS?
1849[18:30:05] <dorian__> joepublic, yes I had main before, I meant I added contrib and non-free
1850[18:30:12] <annadane> manpages.debian.org but check if they even exist in the first place with autocompletion
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1853[18:30:32] <dorian__> welp gcc-doc doesn't autocomplete
1854[18:30:36] <greycat> GCC's documentation is non-free.
1855[18:30:42] <greycat> ,info gcc-doc
1856[18:30:43] <judd> Package gcc-doc (contrib/doc, optional) in stretch/amd64: documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++). Version: 5:6.1.0-1; Size: 5.4k; Installed: 28k; Homepage: replaced-url
1857[18:30:43] <annadane> ...really
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1859[18:30:48] <annadane> o...k.
1860[18:30:52] <annadane> well there you go
1861[18:30:54] <joepublic> gcc --help|less might help you.
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1863[18:31:17] <greycat> ,depends gcc-doc
1864[18:31:18] <judd> Package gcc-doc in stretch/amd64 -- depends: gcc-6-doc (>= 6.1.0-1~).
1865[18:31:22] <greycat> ,info gcc-6-doc
1866[18:31:23] <judd> Package gcc-6-doc (non-free/doc, optional) in stretch/amd64: documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++). Version: 6.3.0-1; Size: 8336.0k; Installed: 15809k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1870[18:32:43] <dorian__> As I said, I added non-free and contrib to my sources.list, run "apt update" and still so luck
1871[18:33:01] <dorian__> am I missing some step here ? The repo comes from the netinst repo list
1872[18:33:19] <greycat> !debian-next
1873[18:33:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1874[18:33:33] <annadane> oh, right, buster.
1875[18:33:54] <annadane> but anyway, again, even then, check if it exists in the first place with tab autocompletion, it may be under a different name
1876[18:33:56] <jelly> ,depends gcc-doc --release buster
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1878[18:33:58] <judd> No package named 'gcc-doc' was found in buster/amd64.
1879[18:34:04] <jelly> ,depends gcc-doc --release sid
1880[18:34:05] <judd> Package gcc-doc in sid/amd64 -- depends: gcc-7-doc (>= 7.2.0-1~).
1881[18:34:14] <annadane> yeah, ok
1882[18:34:24] <jelly> dpkg, tell dorian__ about why is gcc-doc not in testing
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1884[18:36:14] <Devastator> sorry if I sound repetitive, but is this wiki still valid? replaced-url
1885[18:37:35] <joepublic> It seems to have been last modified about 11 days ago, if that information is helpful.
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1888[18:39:53] <dorian__> welp; that was disapointing. Ima look the man pagse online ... what a shame :/
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1892[18:40:52] <joepublic> You might drop rms a note and lecture him about the DFSG.
1893[18:41:01] <joepublic> couldn't hurt.
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1902[18:45:23] <Devastator> joepublic it might
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1905[18:46:20] <Devastator> my question is rather why installing openvpn creates 2 folders, /etc/openvpn/client/ and /etc/openvpn/server/, and I've put server.conf on that folder, but then it didn't work
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1917[18:49:58] <inch> diff -u '/lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service' '/lib/systemd/system/openvpn-server@.service'
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1922[18:52:04] <pzn> In a Debian 3.16 kernel, if I call a sendto() an UDP packet to localhost or localnet, I can see the package in "wireshark". If I sendto() to Internet, I can't see it in wireshark. Gateway is ok, I can ping the internet. iptables is policy ACCEPT with no rules. Too weird... What should I start to analyse?
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1924[18:53:50] <Devastator> inch can I paste this to you?
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1926[18:53:51] <__m4ch1n3__> Devastator, maybe to configure own vpn server? it would be confusing if the pkg were named openvpn-client
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1928[18:54:48] <inch> Devastator: That was just to point out that openvpn server and client need different capabilities.
1929[18:54:51] <joepublic> Just in general, the answer to "can I paste this to you" is more or less a fixed "no, use pastebin" regardless of who or why, I would think.
1930[18:55:07] <inch> Sot they made two differnt systemd files to handle that.
1931[18:55:19] <Devastator> joepublic I would paste in a pastebin anyway, my point was if he wanted to see the output]
1932[18:55:33] <joepublic> Just clarifying for the logs :)
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1934[18:56:13] <inch> Devastator: Does the openvpn server work if you run it with "openvpn server.conf" ?
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1936[18:56:15] <SerajewelKS> side note: if you are setting up a new VPN from scratch, consider using tinc instead of openvpn
1937[18:56:35] <Devastator> inch let me check
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1943[18:58:42] <inch> I've been running openvpn in proxmox unprivileged containers (debian inside and outside) and that needs some changes to both container config and openvpn-server@.service.
1944[18:59:17] <Devastator> inch it would be nice if we could standarize this package and paths :(
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1949[19:00:11] <Devastator> but.. changing the file to /etc/openvpn/ didn't change the behavior
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1958[19:04:54] <Devastator> to make it more interesting, I see nothing in the logs
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1969[19:12:17] <pzn> if I ping some internet host, I get a "From MY_IP icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable". Shouldn't I get this from gateway_addr instead of my own addr? what could be wrong?
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1975[19:18:21] <__m4ch1n3__> pzn without detailed network configuration details only one with second sight could answer that
1976[19:18:38] <__m4ch1n3__> -detailed
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1979[19:20:50] <pzn> ok. I already checked "ip route", "route -n", "ifconfig" and all values are ok. what else could affect the ability of packages going out from my system to internet (via the default gateway)? I do not see packages on wireshark, and I get "host unreachable" messages from my own IP. Any hints?
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1982[19:21:44] <__m4ch1n3__> static ip config?
1983[19:22:03] <__m4ch1n3__> can you "getent hosts google.com" e.g?
1984[19:23:55] <pzn> __m4ch1n3__, it answers an ipv6 address 2607:f8...
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1986[19:24:53] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm seems you can resolve dns, you could have icmp echo blocked, duno
1987[19:24:54] <pzn> __m4ch1n3__, static ip. two network cards, one as default gateway.
1988[19:25:12] <__m4ch1n3__> and ipv6 is not staic or?
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1990[19:25:30] <__m4ch1n3__> if so then your static config is malformed
1991[19:25:54] <pzn> not using IPv6... just trying ping to ipv4. already checked ipv4 config. I can pastebin it
1992[19:26:35] <greycat> I have no usable IPv6 on this workstation, but I also get the IPv6 response from "getent hosts google.com". That seems to be irrelevant.
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1994[19:27:08] <__m4ch1n3__> oh sorry
1995[19:27:34] <greycat> "host google.com" gives me both IPv4 and IPv6 answers, and "ping google.com" uses the IPv4
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1997[19:28:20] <__m4ch1n3__> ping sends ICMP echo packets which can be blocked/filtered from your system,router,network....
1998[19:28:50] <pzn> Just using ipv4 here, just ping to IP, (no need of DNS). What is messing my brain is that I am receiving a "host unreachable" message comming from my own address instead of the gateway address. And wireshark does not capture the package going out... that means the package is being "blocked" inside my own machine. Wireshard at gateway gets no package from my machine
1999[19:29:19] <__m4ch1n3__> can you "ping 8.8.8.8"
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2001[19:31:03] <pzn> __m4ch1n3__, yes! I know 8.8.8.8 is allowed for all on the gateway
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2003[19:31:57] <greycat> What do you mean by "allowed" or "allowed for all"? Are you filtering ICMP in a firewall on your router?
2004[19:32:06] <__m4ch1n3__> but can you capture the packets if you ping 8.8.8.8
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2007[19:34:09] <pzn> I mean the firewall filters some destinations. and 8.8.8.8 is allowed for all. the question is: if I ping the internet address that I need to ping, the package does not leave my own machine (I see no package in wireshark). it also tries to solve the arp address (I can see the 'incomplete' in 'arp -n' command). why? the machine is outside the ip/netmask, why it is trying to solve arp?
2008[19:34:54] <greycat> sounds like you need to talk to #netfilter or ##networking
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2018[19:40:30] <__m4ch1n3__> pzn are you sure the addres you ping replies to ICMP echo?
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2021[19:42:05] <Devastator> perhaps ip forward is disabled?
2022[19:42:16] <Devastator> on the gateway..
2023[19:42:20] <__m4ch1n3__> pzn try a ping webservice for that host
2024[19:42:36] <Devastator> I fail to understand his topology though
2025[19:42:57] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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2029[19:43:46] <__m4ch1n3__> if the webservice is not able to ping the host then the host simply doesnt reply to ICMP echo
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2031[19:44:26] <Itaipu> I'm have an lxc (unprivileged) container in my debian box, and trying to mount a fuse fs in order to get my google drive mounted on this container. I can't mount it, checked here (replaced-url
2032[19:44:38] <Itaipu> s/'m//g
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2034[19:45:13] <nemo> Does anyone have a suggestion for a well-maintained attractive debian-packaged sans-serif font with good emoji support?
2035[19:45:36] <nemo> Looking to update the font packaged in Hedgewars (currently an old-ish DejaVu) and the Debian maintainer had asked that it be a "debian" font if possible
2036[19:45:44] <nemo> since he strips those to use debian packages instead
2037[19:46:23] <__m4ch1n3__> ttf-mscorefonts-installer ?
2038[19:46:24] <petn-randall> nemo: I remember you asking the other day. It might be worth a shot asking on one of the Debian mailing list.
2039[19:46:27] <petn-randall> *lists
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2041[19:47:00] <__m4ch1n3__> oh a "debian" font
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2043[19:47:34] <__m4ch1n3__> you might take a look at ubuntu-studio, it has tons of fonts preinstalled and a gui to browse fonts
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2047[19:50:00] <rant> why is it that you seem to be recommending other distros in here on a daily basis?
2048[19:51:48] <__m4ch1n3__> me?
2049[19:51:56] <__m4ch1n3__> its the first time lol
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2052[19:52:23] <rant> if I had logs going back days I could easily find you recommending non-debian solutions quite regularly
2053[19:53:05] <__m4ch1n3__> pls do it
2054[19:53:12] <rant> its fine to not have an answer, whats not fine however is recommending things we don't, can't, and won't support here
2055[19:53:27] <__m4ch1n3__> thought it would be less mess to launch ubuntu-studio in a vm find the right font and then install it in debian then manual install every font
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2059[19:55:00] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: I just wanted a suggestion from a ... debianite? on one that is maybe standard in desktop images or whatever
2060[19:55:19] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: dejavu hasn't had a release in 2 years which makes me think it probably is missing emoji and maybe on a slow release cycle
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2063[19:55:43] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: I'm not actually looking to install a different distro
2064[19:55:54] <nemo> it's just we were going to do a release shortly and I thought slapping in a new font might be a good idea
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2069[19:56:33] <pzn> __m4ch1n3__, greycat: all OK now. I had to "ip route flush cache" because when gateway was misconfigured, it sent ICMP redirect packages that my server cached and was trying to reach the network wrongly... weird thing!
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2081[20:08:27] <petn-randall> nemo: emojis don't get added that fast, so I'd check dejavu. The Unicode standard only gets updates every few years. If you want to know if it support a specific emoji, check which unicode standard added it, and then check if the font supports it.
2082[20:09:53] <Thedarkb-T60> Hey, my DVD burner isn't showing up
2083[20:10:04] <Thedarkb-T60> Well, it's showing up as a CD-ROM drive, but that's a bit different.
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2085[20:10:49] <petn-randall> Thedarkb-T60: And is that a problem?
2086[20:11:01] <Thedarkb-T60> I need to burn DVDs
2087[20:11:30] <nemo> petn-randall: it's not that big a deal, it's just that the unicode dudes added a ton of new ones since 2016, and, well, you know, gamers
2088[20:12:12] <nemo> replaced-url
2089[20:12:23] <nemo> also replaced-url
2090[20:12:34] <__m4ch1n3__> lol i see only empty squares
2091[20:12:51] <greycat> e... moji... pedia
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2094[20:12:58] <greycat> This world. I don't even.
2095[20:13:00] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: that is not an uncommon font issue, esp in the more eclectic foss world ☺
2096[20:13:10] <annadane> still probably better than wikihow
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2098[20:13:22] <nemo> greycat: hehe. look, I'm not expecting this as a *standard* thing, it's just, you know. game...
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2100[20:13:44] <nemo> for example. a super important emoji for Hedgewars replaced-url
2101[20:13:48] <greycat> I wasn't criticizing you.
2102[20:13:50] <nemo> released in 2017
2103[20:14:22] <nemo> it'd be nice if there was some font in a debian package that looked nice, wasn't emoji-specific, and had a hedgehog in it 😉
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2107[20:15:22] <petn-randall> greycat: You'll be surprised to find out they made a movie about emojis ... :)
2108[20:15:33] <greycat> I saw the commercials for that one.
2109[20:15:43] <nemo> EmojiOne for example - even has that colour svg format firefox came out with. Looks AWFUL in any non-colour format
2110[20:15:48] <__m4ch1n3__> you could edit a font and add a vector graphic for a glyph
2111[20:15:51] <nemo> can barely make 'em out on a terminal - so would render horribly in-game
2112[20:15:52] <__m4ch1n3__> fontforge
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2114[20:16:06] <annadane> "unfortunately, the film biography about the life of Prince proved difficult to market..."
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2116[20:16:39] <__m4ch1n3__> its a font editor and its on debian repository
2117[20:17:11] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: hm? I'm familiar w/ fontforge... I've made custom fonts before, like lightweight ones for custom website glyphs or a Tengwar experiment
2118[20:17:24] <nemo> buut, not really looking to maintain our own font - for one thing that would break current debian packaging
2119[20:17:24] <__m4ch1n3__> oh wow
2120[20:18:06] <petn-randall> 🦔
2121[20:18:10] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: it's not that complicated. you just pull the SVGs into inkscape, make 'em pretty, export as SVG font, convert in fontforge to woff or whatever
2122[20:18:19] <nemo> __m4ch1n3__: adding tengwar to correct codepoints is just copy/paste
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2124[20:18:49] <nemo> petn-randall: he shows up a lot in #hedgewars - alfadur is a fan ☺
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2126[20:19:18] <petn-randall> My font doesn't show it :(
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2128[20:19:26] <glaucom> hello
2129[20:19:40] <petn-randall> hi glaucom
2130[20:19:48] <nemo> petn-randall: yeah, emojione would show it but - soooo ugly in irssi
2131[20:20:02] <glaucom> lol, i copy and modify theme for gtk and gnome-shell , and now i confused.
2132[20:20:13] <nemo> they really need some alternate renderings for black and white and small resolutions
2133[20:20:39] <petn-randall> glaucom: That happens, Linux won't stand in the way if you want to shoot yourself in the foot.
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2135[20:21:14] <glaucom> see this
2136[20:21:15] <glaucom> replaced-url
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2139[20:21:36] <nemo> glaucom: doesn't look that bad?
2140[20:21:47] <glaucom> where is gtk-contained-dark.css
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2142[20:21:49] <glaucom> @@
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2145[20:22:52] <nemo> glaucom: replaced-url
2146[20:23:04] <nemo> resource bundle url
2147[20:23:52] <glaucom> where url nemo ?
2148[20:23:58] <petn-randall> glaucom: How should we know?
2149[20:25:01] <nemo> "All the secret sauce is wrapped up in a resource bundle in the same directory."
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2151[20:25:11] <glaucom> he's doing a css import from somewhere online is it?
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2154[20:25:34] <nemo> glaucom: replaced-url
2155[20:25:39] <nemo> glaucom: it's all detailed there
2156[20:25:46] <nemo> online? no... resource:// is obv not online
2157[20:26:14] <nemo> no diff than, oh, physfs://
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2160[20:26:36] <glaucom> replaced-url
2161[20:26:50] <glaucom> .css is this file resources ?
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2164[20:27:26] <nemo> it's a resource in the bundle
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2166[20:27:38] <nemo> glaucom: replaced-url
2167[20:27:54] <nemo> it's just a virtual filesystem - in both cases in a zip
2168[20:28:41] <glaucom> I need only edit css
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2170[20:28:56] <glaucom> this theme i copy from another linux distro.
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2172[20:29:31] <nemo> glaucom: so... read the second link then
2173[20:29:35] <nemo> maybe in combination w/ first
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2178[20:32:37] <glaucom> honestly I did not understand anything lol
2179[20:32:58] <glaucom> other themes I have edited this file. this can not be found inside the folder.
2180[20:32:58] <nemo> maybe should not be editing the theme then ☺
2181[20:33:34] <glaucom> I deleted all the themes from my home / .themes.
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2183[20:33:57] <glaucom> and copy the folder Adapta-Nokto-Eta-Maia
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2186[20:34:57] <glaucom> see replaced-url
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2190[20:36:42] <nemo> $ gresource list /usr/share/themes/Greybird/gtk-3.0/gtk.gresource | grep css
2191[20:36:42] <nemo> /org/shimmerproject/greybird/gtk-3.0/gtk-contained-dark.css
2192[20:37:20] <nemo> exactly following what the askubuntu thing I sent you said to do
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2194[20:37:46] <gunchyo> Hi, where can I find the .mount files systemd uses to mount devices?
2195[20:37:53] <glaucom> root@desktop-bb0q7t0:/usr/share/themes# ls
2196[20:37:53] <glaucom> Adwaita Adwaita-dark Default Emacs HighContrast Raleigh
2197[20:38:12] <glaucom> I use Debian 9 strech.
2198[20:41:22] <nemo> it's a bundle. those links told you where to find them and how to extract them - I'm not sure what more you need here
2199[20:41:31] <nemo> I even gave you an example
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2201[20:42:37] <mbnt> Hey, is there a way to get catalyst onto Debian, it is deprecated but heard there was a patch to get it working with newer kernels.
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2204[20:43:52] <glaucom> k. its a bundle.
2205[20:44:19] <glaucom> so the css is not on the local machine?
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2223[20:58:18] <mbnt> There is a dad link here: Installing_ATI_fglrx_legacy_with_latest_kernel
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2238[21:08:48] <mbnt> Ugh, I meant dead link. To install catalyst on Debian.
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2241[21:09:24] <greycat> that by itself should tell you the state of support for such things
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2243[21:09:56] <mbnt> greycat, sometimes Debian magic happens.
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2245[21:10:17] <nemo> wow. that glaucom dude. after all that.. "so the css is not on the local machine?" clearly I' not cut out for chat channels
2246[21:10:38] <nemo> s/chat channels/support channels/
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2287[21:35:50] <jhutchins> nemo: You have to be very careful about what assumptions you make.
2288[21:37:34] <nemo> I just thought fact it was local was clear from demo :/
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2293[21:40:34] <jhutchins> ,v hedgewars
2294[21:40:35] <judd> Package: hedgewars on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.17-1; jessie: 0.9.20.5-12; jessie-backports: 0.9.22-dfsg-11~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.9.22-dfsg-11+b1; stretch-backports: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b3; sid: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b3
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2309[21:47:13] <tmroland> .v kernel
2310[21:47:16] <tmroland> ,v kernel
2311[21:47:17] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
2312[21:47:30] <greycat> ,kernels
2313[21:47:31] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.19.0-rc7-686-pae (4.19~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); buster: 4.18.0-2-686-pae (4.18.10-2+b1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u6); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae
2314[21:47:32] <judd> (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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2324[21:54:05] <oupala> hi, I'm trying to use the reportbug to send a bug to debian, but I can't see the bug into debian
2325[21:54:09] <oupala> is there a delay ?
2326[21:54:13] <greycat> yes
2327[21:54:53] <__m4ch1n3__> how often did you send the bug? :3
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2329[21:55:08] <oupala> ouch, I might have sent the bug 3 or 4 times... :-(
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2331[21:55:42] <__m4ch1n3__> guess they filter identic reports or?
2332[21:55:49] <oupala> I tought it was in real time... It'll need the intervention of someone to set the bugs as duplicates... :-(
2333[21:56:06] <oupala> yes, except the version on the first report
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2339[22:01:40] <oupala> I set version to "2.2.1.0-2 :all
2340[22:01:51] <oupala> and how often is the website refreshed ?
2341[22:01:56] <oupala> each day/night ?
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2344[22:02:33] <greycat> You should receive an email response once your bug has been processed and assigned a number.
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2348[22:03:09] <greycat> Formerly this could take up to an hour or so, but more recently someone reported receiving their response within a couple minutes. I don't know what the expected time is these days.
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2356[22:05:34] <glaucom> i need info.
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2358[22:06:14] <joepublic> !ask
2359[22:06:15] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2360[22:06:23] <glaucom> does each program use a GTK version?
2361[22:06:57] <greycat> Not all programs use libgtk.
2362[22:06:58] <glaucom> example, use gnome, I have a theme. Within the theme, I have graze gtk XX version.
2363[22:07:28] <greycat> If you restrict the question to only GNOME programs, then I think almost(?) all of them use libgtk, but I don't know GNOME very well.
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2365[22:08:10] <glaucom> i can or no delete other versions folder gtk ?
2366[22:08:11] <glaucom> replaced-url
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2375[22:14:15] <__m4ch1n3__> stuff in your home directory should be no problem to del. ~/.config configurations are genereted usually if they dont exsit on programm start
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2377[22:14:59] <__m4ch1n3__> if its in /etc/ or /usr/share i would not del. it
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2386[22:19:01] <glaucom> lol, i understand now
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2388[22:19:13] <glaucom> gtk.gresource <-- contains png. and css
2389[22:19:18] <glaucom> compacted bundle
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2395[22:20:46] <glaucom> replaced-url
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2436[22:46:21] <TTT> hi, stupid question. I have a router that has 1 NIC. It needs to do PPPoE over that NIC, and it needs to NAT and share network with other computers over same NIC. I know I can make virtual eth devices like eth1:1, eth1:2, but can I run PPPoE or DHCP on an eth alias?
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2439[22:47:24] <TTT> when I'm making virtual eth devices, how does that work really? Same physical device gets assigned multiple IPs, that's it? what about protocols that are lower level than an IP, like PPPoE?
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2455[22:59:17] <jhutchins_wk> TTT: I think the only answer we can give you here is "try it and see".
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2457[23:00:14] <TTT> ok will do
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2462[23:03:42] <tradar> TTT: pppd will create a new ppp0 interface
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2465[23:04:36] <TTT> yes, but pppd will need to use an eth device to talk to PPPoE bridge
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2468[23:06:17] <tradar> TTT: you decive which eth device from pppd ... "pppd plugin rp-pppoe.so eth0 ..."
2469[23:06:26] <tradar> decide*
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2472[23:07:19] <aloo_shu> in an ideal world, you could just brew a gallon of coffee, start out with man ip , take it from there and have a unambiguous answer w/o ever consulting web resources
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2475[23:07:54] <greycat> the ip(8) and related man pages are just atrociously badly written
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2477[23:08:16] <TTT> aloo_shu, I'd die of old age by the time I set it up that way. I used to do things like that when I was a young hotshot, but now life is too precious for that
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2479[23:08:33] <aloo_shu> I think I had tought of ip(1) here, but still, yes
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2483[23:10:23] <aloo_shu> I'm sometimes musing how the world would be looking if pkgs w/o complete documentation simply weren't eligible for the repo
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2486[23:11:23] <aloo_shu> and debian at least are making an effort
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2493[23:12:11] <greycat> iproute2 is just such a horribly designed interface, and the documentation matches that.
2494[23:12:32] <greycat> Such a marvelous opportunity to redesign everything cleanly from the ground up... squandered. :(
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2499[23:14:24] <arCABAL> I tried upgrading my stretch install to buster which went terribly wrong and now i can't seem to fix it. I get errors when I try to apt upgrade or apt full-upgrade
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2501[23:15:04] <arCABAL> i've set my sources list to a default barebones buster sources list from a debian sources list generator
2502[23:15:27] <greycat> ... a what
2503[23:15:50] <greycat> !debian-next
2504[23:15:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2505[23:16:10] <arCABAL> I used this: replaced-url
2506[23:16:27] <arCABAL> dpkg: too many errors, stopping
2507[23:16:27] <dpkg> arCABAL: I don't know, could you explain it?
2508[23:16:29] <arCABAL> Errors were encountered while processing:
2509[23:16:31] <arCABAL> fontconfig-config
2510[23:16:33] <arCABAL> fontconfig
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2512[23:17:47] <arCABAL> the first error that shows up is related to the fontconfig-config. I've tried a lot of apt commands already but can't seem to get out of this broken packages state
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2517[23:20:54] <arCABAL> here are the errors and my sources.list
2518[23:20:56] <arCABAL> replaced-url
2519[23:25:47] <aloo_shu> dpkg , isn't he a darling?
2520[23:25:49] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, aloo_shu
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2522[23:26:02] <aloo_shu> autism
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2531[23:30:02] <jhutchins_wk> arCABAL: Did you do a full system update before you tried to upgrade?
2532[23:30:16] <arCABAL> aww yeah i fixed it already
2533[23:30:26] <jhutchins_wk> arCABAL: What was it?
2534[23:30:30] <arCABAL> yeah i did btw
2535[23:30:50] <arCABAL> I had to remove some file to be able to reconfigure fontconfig-config
2536[23:31:04] <arCABAL> Setting up fontconfig-config (2.13.1-1) ...
2537[23:31:05] <arCABAL> ln: failed to create symbolic link '/etc/fonts/conf.d/10-hinting-slight.conf': File exists
2538[23:31:17] <jhutchins_wk> Strongly recommend that you replace "testing" with "buster" in the sources.list
2539[23:31:21] <arCABAL> After I removed this file i was able to update everything and reboot into my desktoip.
2540[23:31:27] <arCABAL> why?
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2542[23:32:01] <jhutchins_wk> It's more stable that way. If you weren't paying attention when it relesed you would suddenly have sid.
2543[23:32:38] <arCABAL> alright
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2545[23:34:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1382
2546[23:34:13] <n4dir> to release the next debian stable tesing will be "frozen", no new packages. After the freeze it can get a bit "wild", cause many packages enter the now new testing. You will not get sid, of course.
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2548[23:35:05] <n4dir> in general you will want to pay more close attention than usual after the new stable is released (if you are on either testing or sid).
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2551[23:36:09] <n4dir> so if you have buster instead of testing, you may switch over to the new testing when you got the time (assuming you want that, or course).
2552[23:36:35] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: I believe the first step is to promote sid to testing, so you essentially get a snapshot of sid.
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2556[23:37:08] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: Then sid starts getting lots of updates, which start getting promoted as well.
2557[23:37:28] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: k, k. As far it's me a minor difference in what we said, we sure agree in the approach.
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2559[23:37:50] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, I should have said it more clearly before.
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2564[23:38:38] <jhutchins_wk> The other thing about using the distro names is that five years and three admins from now you're going to want to know what release THIS came from.
2565[23:39:30] <jhutchins_wk> I inherited a server that had packages from four different releases on it (the sources.list was a bit of a mess).
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2568[23:40:17] <jhutchins_wk> Surprizingly, it worked pretty well.
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2575[23:42:14] <arCABAL> I have a small thing that could be improved but I'm not sure if it's worth a bug report. With the game sauerbraten, when you run the program, it has no icon but this can be fixed by adding a line to the .desktop file
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2577[23:42:56] <arCABAL> I'm not familiar with debian bug reporting. maybe i should send an email to a maintainer or something. maybe this is not considered a good fix? I'm not sure.
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2580[23:44:04] <tradar> there is a speak2text program for debian?
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2584[23:44:48] <tradar> (debian or any other distro, just for gnu linux)
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