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1[00:00:12] <nkuttler> kreyren: no. please use paste.debian.net
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3[00:01:01] <kreyren> nkuttler, do you mind ix.io? - replaced-url
4[00:01:26] <nkuttler> kreyren: please read EXAMPLE, FILE FORMAT and INTERFACE SELECTION
5[00:01:59] <kreyren> nkuttler, mension was already there for enp4s0 i changed it on enp7s0 which is expected adapter, reading though
6[00:02:50] <nkuttler> kreyren: what's actually not working?
7[00:03:02] <kreyren> nkuttler, network after boot
8[00:03:10] <nkuttler> what does that mean?
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11[00:03:23] <nkuttler> is the interface not up? does it not make dhcp requests? is your dhcpd down?
12[00:03:29] <kreyren> ping 1.1.1.1 doesn't work unless `dhclient enp7s0` is invoked
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14[00:03:58] <kreyren> from what i understand the interface is down and using `dhclient enp7s0` takes it up and assigns IP to it
15[00:04:09] * kreyren sucks at networking and he sees it as black magic
16[00:04:29] <nkuttler> kreyren: what happens if you run ifup enp7s0 instead of dhclient?
17[00:05:09] <kreyren> nkuttler, can i kill dhclient somehow so that i woudn't have to reboot?
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20[00:05:57] <kreyren> i reboot then
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28[00:09:17] <kreyren[m]> ifup: interface enp7s0 already configured
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39[00:13:50] <kreyren[m]> nwm it works now after the changes in etc network interface
40[00:13:52] <kreyren[m]> thanks for help
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43[00:14:32] <dvs> what changes
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99[00:54:55] <f8e3> how would y scramble the bitmap of a 'file, 7z it on high compression?
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102[00:55:36] <Bushmaster> Hello, I am seeking solicitation. I cant get into network via ssh
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109[01:00:59] <f8e3> jhutchins_wk nice
110[01:02:12] <Bushmaster> Hello, I am seeking solicitation. I cant get into network via ssh
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112[01:04:37] <somiaj> I don't understand that question and what it has to do with debian Bushmaster
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114[01:05:21] <Bushmaster> somiaj, you must be goddamn thick : from Debian I type ssh ashra@192.168.1.18 to connect to windows, and it goes no where
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117[01:07:10] <somiaj> Or maybe ask your actual question so we can help, this is the first time you have said what you are wanting to do and what fails.
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119[01:07:24] <somiaj> I guess here there is two things, 1) ping 192.168.1.18 -- can you ping the machine so you know you are on the same network.
120[01:08:04] <somiaj> If so the second is 2) what port is windows running the ssh server on, (windows usually doesn't use ssh but remote desktop, but windows support is in ##windows)
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153[01:44:45] <InSearchofFreedo> How do I connect monitors with different resolutions to an Optimus laptop, and automatically scale programs going from 4k to 1080p screen and back with switchable graphics? I'm on Debian testing.
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156[01:47:26] <InSearchofFreedo> Bumbleebee works but it's way too slow
157[01:47:39] <InSearchofFreedo> I've tried nvidia-xrun with the official guide but nothing there worked either
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171[01:58:14] <Bushmaster> f i have 5 computers and i want to share files via network, do I need modem?
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180[02:06:02] <somiaj> To share the files in your own network, you just need to have all machines on the same network and a modem isn't needed
181[02:06:27] <somiaj> the modem is only needed if you want to share files / info outside of your home network on another network or the internet.
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186[02:08:35] <Alessandro_> CIAONE
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272[03:25:09] <lavaflow> how can I disable mac address randomization in debian? I'm using wicd, not networkmanager.
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275[03:26:32] <dvs> lavaflow, specify it in the /etc/network/interfaces?
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277[03:27:15] <nullroutedtospac> I love deb multimedia. I got the VLC 3.0.8 update.
278[03:27:53] <nullroutedtospac> !debmultimedia
279[03:27:56] <nullroutedtospac> !dpkg
280[03:27:56] <dpkg> somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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282[03:28:09] <nullroutedtospac> !dpkg supertux2
283[03:28:12] <nullroutedtospac> !dpkg supertux
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286[03:28:52] <lavaflow> dvs: I don't see anything enabling randomization in there. I guess I could have it set the mac address there, but I'd rather it just not randomize it in the first place
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293[03:35:59] <annadane> !deb-multimedia
294[03:35:59] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
295[03:36:04] <annadane> nullroutedtospac, ^
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297[03:36:19] <nullroutedtospac> I love buggy packages.
298[03:36:26] <annadane> okay. *shrug*
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307[03:42:58] <lavaflow> is there something wrong with the 3.0.8 from debmultimedia? that looks to be the most recent version to me.
308[03:43:09] <annadane> ,v vlc
309[03:43:10] <judd> Package: vlc on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.8-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.8-0+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.8-0+deb10u1; buster-security: 3.0.8-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 3.0.8-3+b4; sid: 3.0.8-3+b4; stretch-multimedia: 1:3.0.7-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.8-dmo0+deb10u3; bullseye-multimedia: 1:3.0.8-dmo12; sid-multimedia: 1:3.0.8-dmo12
310[03:43:15] <lavaflow> personally I just build mpv from source and don't mess around with vlc or debmultimedia
311[03:43:26] <annadane> yeah, i don't mess with vlc since finding mpv
312[03:43:29] <annadane> mpv's much faster
313[03:43:43] <annadane> try seeking forward in vlc... slooooooooooow
314[03:44:09] <lavaflow> mpv is very customizable too. it's like the emacs of multimedia
315[03:44:32] <nullroutedtospac> MPV bad
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317[03:45:29] <CHedges> nullroutedtospac: ?
318[03:45:54] <nullroutedtospac> Okay, backing up VPS for ban evasion.
319[03:46:11] <lavaflow> mpv is the real mvp
320[03:46:40] <nullroutedtospac> MPV is for idiots.
321[03:47:18] <lavaflow> real smooth-brained take tbh
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331[03:53:38] <Bushmaster> f i have 5 computers and i want to share files via network, do I need modem?
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333[03:55:05] <lavaflow> a switch would certainly help
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352[04:05:57] <derpadmin> Bushmaster : all the 5 computers have internet?
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354[04:06:04] <derpadmin> in the same house?
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374[04:19:36] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> In order to avoid doing so, is there any info on how one would provide WPS-enabled wifi on a Debian host with a wireless NIC?
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378[04:20:44] <nvz> Aurora_iz_kosmos: you want to share the internet of a debian box over wifi?
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380[04:20:54] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Yes.
381[04:21:15] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> It'd be cheaper than buying a separate AP just for that.
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383[04:21:59] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I know Network Manager easily can be used to setup a hotspot. But I'm not so sure how to check if it indeed has WPS disabled, or if that's enabled by default.
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385[04:22:11] <nvz> the WPS I dont know about, thats just stupid in my opinion.. but the connection sharing is a breeze with network-manager
386[04:22:53] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Yeah.
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388[04:23:13] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I just want to make sure the connection isn't vulnerable to cracking a 8-digit key.
389[04:23:44] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Which is essentially what WPS allows
390[04:23:56] <nvz> dpkg, wps?
391[04:23:56] <dpkg> methinks wps is windows printing system
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393[04:24:04] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Wifi Protected Setup
394[04:24:12] <nvz> dpkg wps is also wifi protected setup
395[04:24:13] <dpkg> okay, nvz
396[04:25:18] <nvz> never heard of windows printing system
397[04:25:23] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Me neither.
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400[04:29:53] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Seeing suggestions that hostapd is the only implementation of it.
401[04:30:14] <nvz> yeah idk.. wps is a very dumb idea for very dumb people.. I know little about it
402[04:30:24] <BazookaTooth> do they even make nics with wps? some usb wifi dongles have it of course but not aware of any nics using it
403[04:30:29] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I mostly want to ensure Network Manager can't use it.
404[04:30:34] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Either as a hotspot or as a client
405[04:30:43] <nvz> I don't think it can use it
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408[04:31:11] <nvz> dpkg, network-manager
409[04:31:11] <dpkg> NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm unmanaged>. replaced-url
410[04:31:12] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Even just a bug tracker issue that goes "want to use wps (status: wontfix)"
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415[04:32:18] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> It occured to me I should check if it was disabled by default because some usb NICs have it.
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423[04:39:38] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Hmm... wpa_supplicant "can" be configured for AP. That's not good.
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432[04:46:58] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Hm. I guess I could just buy a NIC that specifically doesn't support it.
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469[05:18:22] <Strogg> so.. I've got this box which was a bit old and I did a big dist-upgrade on.. it was painful, but I finally got all the packages up to current and the box reboots and boots up successfully. but I'm trying to run some python stuff and I keep getting errors about libraries not being found, even though I've got the package installed, it's the right arch, and the file it's looking for is there. any idea what I
470[05:18:24] <Strogg> should be looking for to figure out what's wrong here?
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472[05:18:49] <Strogg> I'm running testing, btw. the error looks like "ImportError: cannot import name 'QtWidgets' from 'PyQt5.QtWidgets' (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyQt5/QtWidgets.cpython-37m-x86_64-linux-gnu.so)"
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475[05:19:44] <Strogg> I've removed and reinstalled that library.. ldd shows all the dependencies are there.. I'm not sure what else to check
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498[05:52:48] <Strogg> bah.. nevermind. figured out my own problem
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505[06:03:37] <ealfonso> "apt list --upgradable" shows as empty, but apt-get intsalled chromium browser is telling me it is out of date?
506[06:04:21] <nvz> what is telling you its out of date?
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508[06:04:34] <ealfonso> chromium browser
509[06:04:59] <nvz> I've been using chromium browser a very long time and it has never told me it was out of date
510[06:05:07] <nvz> websites however have
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513[06:06:12] <nvz> what version shows when you run dpkg -l chromium-browser
514[06:06:12] <ealfonso> apparently, I just had to relaunch chrome
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516[06:08:19] <ealfonso> 78.0.3904.108-1~deb10u1. I had seen a prompt recently where chrome was claiming it couldn't auto-install an update, so I thought this was related. I just had to relaunch. Thanks.
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533[06:29:16] <demonsarecool> Dwarf is a Rizon admin who loves watching CP.
534[06:29:18] <demonsarecool> Dwarf is a Rizon admin who loves watching CP.
535[06:29:20] <demonsarecool> Dwarf is a Rizon admin who loves watching CP.
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550[06:43:01] <z8z> Hello, is it possible to resize an encrypted filesystem?
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557[06:46:13] <annadane> i wouldn't *think* so, intuitively...
558[06:46:23] <annadane> hmm, not sure
559[06:46:35] <annadane> (i know they left, but it's an interesting question anyway)
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577[07:03:00] <annadane> i kind of randomly found replaced-url
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584[07:12:23] <fuxxy> I have a linux service that relies on a Windows filesystem share. Would a passwordless ssh command be the recommended way to make sure that the linux service is shut down if Windows spontaneously restarts?
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595[07:26:10] <nyov> leading question, much? lol. I think the recommended way would be to have a linux service which gracefully fails on ressource exhaustion/unavailability
596[07:28:42] <nyov> which doesn't mean an ssh command, passwordless or otherwise, wouldn't work just fine for you
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647[08:28:31] <tsarompy> can anyone tell me why NOPASSWD in my sudoers file isnt working?
648[08:28:38] <tsarompy> im in the group and everything. the syntax is fine
649[08:28:48] <tsarompy> it just still asks me for a password everytime
650[08:28:54] <tsarompy> ive rebooted multiple times since then so its not that either
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698[09:21:01] <Dolphinsarecool> Going to use Nextcloud over SSHFS with SSH proxying to a VPS in the cloud.
699[09:21:27] <Dolphinsarecool> The NAS (SSHFS remote) has an Athlon 64 X2 with SATA 1.
700[09:21:34] <Dolphinsarecool> *SATA 1 controller
701[09:21:47] <Dolphinsarecool> Planning on running 60 users on a 1MB/s upload link.
702[09:22:22] <Dolphinsarecool> I wonder if it'll crash.
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724[09:45:11] <Antoine> Hello I am having trouble understanding when my cron @weekly jobs will be run. Could anyone let me know?
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731[09:47:25] <Ede|Popede> Antoine: `man 5 crontab` has the definition and also some examples to the date and time column
732[09:47:32] <ratrace> Antoine: /etc/crontab has the times
733[09:49:08] <Antoine> Thanks, so weekly is 47 6 * * 7 :)
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735[09:49:56] <Antoine> So at 6:47am every Sunday. Is that correct?
736[09:50:05] <ratrace> Antoine: uhm, wait, I may've misunderstood your question... not sure if "@weekly" is the same as putting scripts into /etc/cron.weekly/
737[09:50:46] <Antoine> Oh
738[09:50:49] <ratrace> indeed, Ede|Popede is right, look at the crontab(5) manpage, seems they're not the same thing.
739[09:51:00] <Antoine> man 5 crontab says " @weekly Run once a week, "0 0 * * 0"."
740[09:51:22] <Antoine> So it is at midnight every sunday. Correct? :)
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742[09:52:01] <Ede|Popede> yep. but at the one *starting* the sunday
743[09:53:03] <Ede|Popede> i'd really prefer the page to use the upper limit to make it clearer, like this it's mostly 0's and 1's. having 12 and 31 and 23 would make it easier to understand.
744[09:53:55] <Antoine> Yep, I understood starting sunday morning very early at 00:00
745[09:54:01] <Antoine> hope that's correct
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748[09:55:13] <ratrace> you'll find out in ~ 14 hours :)
749[09:55:50] <Ede|Popede> hm, "BSD and AT&T seem to disagree about" some things. is this still Vixie Cron, only stripped down? or is Vixie the usual Linux Cron?
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758[10:03:03] <ratrace> yes that's vixie cron afaik. not to be confused with the fork, cronie.
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804[10:33:33] <z8z> debian 10 doesnt have anymore resize2fs command?
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807[10:34:48] <Scribus> e2fsprogs: /sbin/resize2fs
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812[10:37:35] <z8z> sbin folder is not on the path when i open the root terminal then
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814[10:38:03] <Scribus> i posted the location and the package name. so its only there when you install the package, right?
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816[10:38:17] <z8z> it's there i checked
817[10:38:28] <rudi_s> z8z: If you inherit the environment then sbin might not be in PATH.
818[10:38:58] <z8z> i use gksu to open terminator
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827[10:41:59] <at0m> z8z: if that gksu-fu doesn't work, open terminal as user, then "su -" from there
828[10:42:38] <at0m> plain su doesn't do root $PATH but inherits from user running the su
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830[10:43:52] <z8z> I see -_-
831[10:44:17] <z8z> well solved
832[10:44:18] <z8z> thanks
833[10:44:56] <at0m> z8z: that solved it? or how?
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838[10:45:14] <z8z> ye that solved
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843[10:47:04] <at0m> z8z: as my general rule, root has no business on desktop. so i'm not using kdesu/gksu/.. since that adds complications and layers that make stuff harder.
844[10:47:49] <z8z> at0m: Ye i will figure out some method
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848[10:49:52] <z8z> I have an encrypted partition and i can see the internal mapped partitions from the list
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850[10:50:05] <mq> My machine has usb ports powered on when shut down. I didn't find any BIOS-Settings and i believe that it has been scince after an update a few month ago. Does anybody know if this can be configured in debian 10?
851[10:50:16] <z8z> But how to see the actual structure inside an encrypted volume?
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855[10:53:51] <ratrace> isn't gksu deprecated long time ago?
856[10:54:18] <ratrace> z8z: when you unlock it, udev will autodetect stuffs inside; so you can check with something like blkid
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861[10:58:59] <z8z> I mean... i need to resize the root partition in the encrypted volume but resize2fs says i cant. I believe because swap is right after the root
862[10:59:26] <z8z> Any chance i can fix this without using a live?
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868[11:03:30] <rudi_s> z8z: Pastebin the output of lsblk to see how the encryption is set up.
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871[11:04:28] <z8z> ye
872[11:04:33] <z8z> swap is after root :|
873[11:04:34] <z8z> GG
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876[11:05:31] <z8z> Any way i can remove the swap, resize the root and put that in the free space i will leave for it?
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879[11:06:25] <rudi_s> z8z: Yes, you can. And if you show us your setup we can tell you how.
880[11:06:35] <z8z> lol ok
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883[11:07:46] <z8z> replaced-url
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888[11:09:43] <z8z> rudi_s: thanks for your help anyway
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890[11:10:18] <rudi_s> z8z: So, you're using LVM. That makes it easy. Disable swap (swapoff -a, edit /etc/fstab), remove the swap "partition" (lvremove /dev/vlap/swap_1), resize the root partition with lvresize --size +10G (or what you like) then resize the root partition with resise2fs.
891[11:10:45] <rudi_s> *lvresize --size +10G /dev/vlap/root
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893[11:11:52] <z8z> rudi_s: (swapoff -a, edit /etc/fstab) swapoff -a disable the swap live?
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896[11:12:09] <z8z> rudi_s: Do i need to reboot after editing the fstab?
897[11:12:28] <rudi_s> z8z: Yes, it might take a long to load the swap from disk to ram but it works online.
898[11:12:42] <rudi_s> No, updating /etc/fstab is just necessary to prevent issues on the next boot.
899[11:13:07] <rudi_s> All the commands work without a reboot, assuming your file system for / supports on-line resizing (most do).
900[11:13:16] <z8z> rudi_s: ok, after finished everything i need to rebook and recreate the swap? I need to leave some space for the swap right?
901[11:13:31] <rudi_s> z8z: Do you need swap?
902[11:13:32] <z8z> I use ext4
903[11:13:39] <rudi_s> z8z: ext4 works fine
904[11:13:58] <rudi_s> Depending on your available RAM swap is not really necessary in many cases.
905[11:14:09] <z8z> rudi_s: Honestly i don't need the swap but isn't it recommended to have one?
906[11:14:10] <rudi_s> If you want to keep the swap you can also just shrink the swap partition.
907[11:14:33] <rudi_s> z8z: Depends. I don't use swap on most of my systems. Only on some which have not enough RAM I do use swap.
908[11:14:46] <z8z> rudi_s: I got 64gb of ram. So except for the case of RAM excess is not really needed to have a swap?
909[11:15:02] <rudi_s> z8z: Then you don't need swap
910[11:15:09] <at0m> just keep an eye on RAM usage
911[11:15:16] <at0m> and dont run out =)
912[11:15:44] <z8z> at0m: Ok then i will never need swap anymore. I don't think i can possibly run out of memory xD
913[11:16:00] <rudi_s> Well, often it's better to run out of memory and get the process killed than to use swap and bring the machine to a halt because swapping takes so long.
914[11:16:13] <z8z> at0m: I asked that because that weird Windows thing really requires it
915[11:16:16] <at0m> 640K is all one will ever need
916[11:16:40] <z8z> xD
917[11:17:19] <at0m> rudi_s: thing is, "the process" would be some random process. could be critical..
918[11:17:20] <z8z> It's funny because i started windows on a 512gb ram machine and it uses 15gb after the clean installation
919[11:17:26] <z8z> And it's not cache
920[11:17:51] <rudi_s> at0m: The OOM is not perfect, true. But most of the time it's smart enough to kill the right process.
921[11:18:01] <at0m> ok
922[11:18:20] <at0m> i got max 4GB on machines here, often without swap, too
923[11:18:24] <z8z> rudi_s: Ok so i try that now
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926[11:20:07] <spacebug^> I find the defaults for swap in debian installer fine, but it would be nice to be asked for swap during install
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928[11:21:03] <z8z> rudi_s: Any difference between /dev/vlap/swap_1 and /dev/mapper/vlap-swap_1 ?
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930[11:21:47] <rudi_s> z8z: No
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932[11:22:13] <z8z> rudi_s: Oh i checked... all symlinks
933[11:23:09] <z8z> rudi_s: any way to tell lvresize to fill until the end?
934[11:23:47] <at0m> man lvresize ?
935[11:25:08] <rudi_s> z8z: +100%FREE works I think
936[11:25:08] <z8z> at0m: Ye well i meant to say: "do you know the option without me checking?" xD
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938[11:25:51] <at0m> z8z: give us root ssh and we'll fix it for you :p
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940[11:26:29] <z8z> at0m: I can xD
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946[11:29:16] <z8z> rudi_s: lmao, it extended up to the size of the swap removed
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948[11:29:30] <z8z> rudi_s: ignoring the extra 1tb available
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950[11:31:02] <rudi_s> z8z: Hm, 1tb available? What does vgs say?
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953[11:31:59] <z8z> rudi_s: replaced-url
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956[11:32:36] <z8z> rudi_s: Weird :|
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959[11:35:31] <rudi_s> z8z: You might have to run pvresize on /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt
960[11:35:38] <rudi_s> Then use vgs to check the new sizes
961[11:35:43] <z8z> D:
962[11:37:51] <z8z> rudi_s: OMg
963[11:37:54] <z8z> i made it
964[11:37:54] <z8z> OP
965[11:38:17] <z8z> rudi_s: Dinner paid in Tokyo
966[11:38:27] <rudi_s> ;-)
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968[11:39:51] <z8z> rudi_s: Thank you very much man. I gtg but drop me a message if you happen to land in Japanese island
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973[11:42:16] <rudi_s> You're welcome
974[11:42:45] <z8z> See ya
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980[11:43:55] <spacebug^> is there a way in wayland to test if the scroll lock led is working? The key itself works according to xev but since xset does nothign in wayland I have not yet found a way to test it. (pressing the key does not turn on the led)
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1006[12:08:47] <rom16384> Hi. Cron jobs that ran fine now fail because they don't have a tty. Cron shell is /bin/sh, Debian Buster 10.2 with auto upgrades. Any update that changed ttys and cron?
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1016[12:13:52] <ratrace> see that's why auto upgrades suck.
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1019[12:14:25] <rom16384> ratrace: I know, but it's important to get automatic security upgrades
1020[12:14:55] <ratrace> it's even more important do it consciously after you've reviewed what's being updated, and optionally run some tests in critical parts.
1021[12:15:48] <nyov> was that change mentioned in the logs?
1022[12:15:51] <ratrace> rest assured that by the time you get the security update, it's been days, weeks, sometimes months since the vuln is known to public, so you gain nothing by an automated process that would do it few minutes or hours before you would manually.
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1024[12:16:04] <rom16384> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
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1026[12:16:30] <ratrace> what do the cron jobs do, open ssh connections elsewhere?
1027[12:16:32] <rom16384> I could fix sudo with the Requiretty option, but I have other failures
1028[12:16:39] <rom16384> no, all local
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1033[12:17:22] <ratrace> there was a vuln in sudo recently patched iirc
1034[12:17:28] <nyov> why sudo in a cronjob? why not use /etc/cron.*?
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1036[12:17:45] <rom16384> nyov: Is there a difference?
1037[12:18:08] <rom16384> I'm used to create entries in crontab
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1039[12:18:19] <ratrace> sudo is meant for people, not scripts... run the scripts as the (root) user you wanna sudo to
1040[12:18:20] <at0m> sudo crontab -e then
1041[12:18:26] <nyov> sure, system cron jobs are run as root
1042[12:18:44] <rom16384> In this case I need sudo to reload nginx at the end of the script cron runs
1043[12:18:48] <nyov> or what at0m said. use root cronjob :p
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1045[12:19:07] <rom16384> The crons must run as the user
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1048[12:19:30] <abrotman> a user runs your nginx?
1049[12:19:46] <rom16384> The reload nginx command is defined in sudoers with NOPASSWD. It used to work fine
1050[12:19:59] <ratrace> in cases like that I use privsep, running script as root primarily, for the administrative functions, then drop priv in a subshell for non-administrative actions
1051[12:20:12] <rom16384> It still works fine if the script is ran from the command line, but doesn't work from cron
1052[12:21:27] <abrotman> path problem?
1053[12:21:56] <rom16384> I don't think so, but I don't know. I think an automatic upgrade broke something
1054[12:22:25] <nyov> what's the error message then?
1055[12:22:52] <abrotman> or the message sent to the user's mail from the cron output
1056[12:23:04] <rom16384> I'll go check the local email
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1061[12:25:20] <rom16384> Local mail doesn't work (must have not been configured). I have a MAILTO in the cron but didn't receive emails about that
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1064[12:26:25] <abrotman> or you're redirecting output somewhere
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1066[12:27:20] <rom16384> yes, both stdout and stderr
1067[12:27:38] <rom16384> And the errors go to that log
1068[12:28:20] <ratrace> so there's no output for cron to consider mailing
1069[12:28:54] <abrotman> has anyone seen the script yet?
1070[12:29:05] <rom16384> ratrace: Yes. I'll try removing the redirects and see if cron sends me more info
1071[12:29:42] <ratrace> rom16384: it won't. cron will only mail if there's anything in stdout/stderr, which would be the same as in teh file you redirect those two into
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1073[12:30:20] <ratrace> and indeed, please pastebin the crontab entry you're using or the script (parts) where you invoke sudo
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1075[12:31:06] <rom16384> syslog now shows crontab[6018]: (username) BEGIN EDIT (username) and other line with END EDIT. It didn't use to do that
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1077[12:31:50] <rom16384> forget it,, that must have been me editing the crontab
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1083[12:34:15] <dob1> I am using | sed '/^<head>/a <meta charset="UTF-8">' to insert data after <head> and it works but I don't understand how sed know that it has to insert newlines, in practices it is inserting new line - my data - new line
1084[12:34:17] <nyov> Wow. I hate that rsyslog STILL wants to re-enable traditional timestamps in rsyslog.conf on upgrade. what a mess
1085[12:34:46] <hugo_> Hello everyone, i am looking for a way to get the date of the first monday of a week with date command. Example, from today 01/02/2020 i want to get --> 27/01/2020. Could you help me please
1086[12:36:37] <nyov> 27/01/2020? invalid :p also, date formats dates. it doesn't find them
1087[12:37:34] <ratrace> see that's why we have journald :)
1088[12:38:28] <ratrace> but those folks insisting that indexed, binary database sucks compared to pure text files that depend on whimsical date formats, locale, language, etc etc etc, know better :)
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1090[12:39:44] <nyov> i like indexed over "plaintext". but is there a journald without systemd? :p
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1093[12:40:17] <ratrace> is there a text file without a program to display it?
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1096[12:41:02] <nyov> that makes no sense. no text file comes with the program to display it
1097[12:41:07] <ratrace> personally, I do use forwarding to syslog. I use syslog for remote forwarding and long term storage.
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1100[12:41:16] <ratrace> but my primary interaction with the logs is journalctl
1101[12:42:05] <nyov> text files have a common encoding set. wish "binary" syslog files had the same
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1105[12:43:37] <ratrace> the beauty of binaries is that they don't have to consider encoding, which is in function of data presentation, not storage
1106[12:43:54] <ratrace> text files are coalescing both storage and presentation in the same functional layer, so they're sensitive to encoding
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1108[12:44:33] <ratrace> neway, for dates and syslog... I'd use the ISO format.
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1114[12:49:44] <nyov> ratrace: ? of course do binaries consider encoding. that's called a format. think BMP, PNG, WAV, MP3...
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1118[12:50:08] <nyov> without any, there would be no compatibility whatsoever
1119[12:50:19] <ratrace> nyov: nope. encoding equivalent in binary is endianess
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1121[12:51:39] <ratrace> BMP, PNG and other binary files and their formats: formats here are only recipes that state what individual (blocks of) bytes mean. same as in syslog you have the timestamp block, severity block, message itself.
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1123[12:52:10] <ratrace> but the message could be encoded UTf-8, UTF-16... same string if bits will show differently in the presentation layer.
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1168[13:29:27] <hmuller> did ssh change? In the past I was able to open multiple ssh sessions on one server. Now the second session mirrors the first.
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1183[13:37:16] <GNU\colossus> hmuller, what? no.
1184[13:39:57] <hmuller> GNU\colossus, huh. then I guess I should look into why the behavior has changed on my local host.
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1186[13:40:40] <GNU\colossus> can you describe what you are doing, and what is happening as a result? and what you would expect to have happened?
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1190[13:42:07] <hmuller> sure. currently, if I ssh into one of my servers, then open a separate terminal and ssh into it again, the second session mirrors the first session
1191[13:42:31] <hmuller> whatever I type in the second session, gets typed into the first session
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1193[13:43:29] <hmuller> in the past, the two sessions were separate from each other. which was desirable especially when configuring ssh in the first session.
1194[13:43:47] <GNU\colossus> how exactly does your invocation of `ssh` on the client-side look like? what's your login shell on the remote side? what does `echo $$` in those ssh sessions print?
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1196[13:44:24] <hmuller> client invocation is ssh user@server.ip
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1199[13:46:43] <hmuller> echo $$ returns a number, presumably the process number of the bash shell
1200[13:48:05] <GNU\colossus> yeah, is it the same in both sessions?
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1203[13:51:34] <hmuller> yes. when opening the second session, the terminal mirrors the first. typing the command in the second session produces the same results.
1204[13:52:50] <GNU\colossus> getent passwd $LOGNAME | cut -d: -f7
1205[13:52:53] <GNU\colossus> yields what?
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1207[13:53:17] <hmuller> running the command on the terminals of the local host after closing ssh produces two separate results as expected
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1212[13:55:28] <hmuller> getent returns /bin/bash
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1215[13:57:01] <hugo_> hello, is there a way to pass a specific format in the example --> date '+%d/%m/%Y' -d "${weekdate}+7 days" where weekdate should be %d%m%Y format ?
1216[13:57:02] <nyov> do you have some special remote shell? maybe an attacker wants to read what you type as well? :p
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1218[13:57:11] <hugo_> Thanks a lot
1219[13:58:10] <GNU\colossus> hmuller, does ssh user@server.ip 'echo $$' (the single quotes are important!) yield that same process id/number?
1220[13:58:39] <GNU\colossus> and what does echo $TERM yield at the remote side?
1221[13:58:45] <hmuller> nyov, nope standard install on the local desktop and servers. desktop using urxvt for terminals
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1223[14:00:59] <ntz> hello
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1227[14:01:44] <ntz> I have meta-q: does somebody have some experience with deb (testing/unstable) on mac mini hardware ... we have mac mini as home multimedia box and osx just sucks
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1229[14:02:02] <ntz> I'd expect that mac mini hardware will (by general) work under linux with no issues
1230[14:02:26] <ntz> we have 2015 model
1231[14:02:30] <hmuller> GNU\colossus, odd. running 'echo $$' on ssh'd server terminal is a different number than running it than ssh user@server.ip 'echo $$'
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1233[14:03:52] <hmuller> GNU\colossus, $TERM remote side is screen-256color, local is rxvt-unicode-256color
1234[14:04:02] <nyov> ah screen. see
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1237[14:04:35] <nyov> you just connected twice to the same screen session I'd say
1238[14:04:41] <hmuller> ah, byobu configuration
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1240[14:05:09] <nyov> I would call screen a special remote shell :)
1241[14:05:19] <at0m> ntz: one quick way (though not optimized!) would be to get a debian live iso and boot the mac mini from that. not optimized, since it wwon't have pommed and other max specific thingies
1242[14:05:34] <hmuller> GNU\colossus, thx for the troubleshooting tips. I should be able to figure this out now.
1243[14:05:37] <at0m> !live
1244[14:05:38] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
1245[14:06:20] <ntz> at0m: thanks, indeed, good idea
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1247[14:06:31] <ntz> I can/should of course test some live isos
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1249[14:06:44] <hmuller> nyov, yes. you provided a valuable pointer, GNU\colossus was spot on.
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1251[14:07:09] <nyov> no I didn't. but thanks ;)
1252[14:07:34] <at0m> ntz: a real install would be somewhat better: you could get better video drivers, network firmware, .. from non-free if these solve some issues
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1254[14:07:50] <at0m> still, will give you a good idea
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1257[14:08:33] <at0m> ntz: also, since it's a common machine, maybe the debian wiki has more info on that. i found that was the case when i installed debian on a macbook pro
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1266[14:12:49] <hmuller> lol, in the past I was clearly NOT using byobu with multiple ssh sessions.
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1268[14:14:15] <nyov> or maybe the screen process attaching changed
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1271[14:17:05] <hmuller> That could be. One internet article describes a byobu multiple session prompt which I am not getting. looking at the configuration now.
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1274[14:17:44] <nyov> spacebug^: I don't have a scroll lock LED, but maybe this works? replaced-url
1275[14:18:21] <nyov> oh, actually I do have one. and the code works for me
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1317[15:00:52] <spacebug^> nyov: thanks I will take a look
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1322[15:05:02] <Kalirog> Hi ! I'm trying to install vsftpd and want to use TLS 1.2, but it seems to not work. when i'm using tlsv1_2 i cannot start the service anymore and got a "invalid argument" error (which is the line tlsv1_2) Is there any workaround?
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1324[15:05:51] <ksk> Kalirog: Hi. Why are you using FTP? have you looked at sftp via ssh?
1325[15:05:55] <ksk> !ftpmustdie
1326[15:05:55] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
1327[15:06:01] <ksk> !tell Kalirog about sftp
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1329[15:06:40] <ksk> winscp is a neat windows-client, which can hook into putty ssh-agent if you want that.
1330[15:07:05] <nyov> maybe debian should just cease to offer ftp programs as well, now that would be something :]
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1332[15:07:34] <Kalirog> is it possible to use filezilla from the client side to do that? i was thinking it would be faster and more secure with vsftpd + ssl but it's looks like i'm wrong
1333[15:07:58] <nyov> filezilla should work ok
1334[15:08:09] <nyov> for scp/sftp and ftps
1335[15:08:10] <Kalirog> is vsftpd considered insecure?
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1337[15:08:28] <ksk> ftp is really old, its not a nice protocol.
1338[15:08:52] <ksk> read what dpkg wroute about it - and the attached links should you want to know more
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1340[15:09:26] <Kalirog> i will take a look, thanks, just a last question, it's not possible to run sftp with vsftpd?
1341[15:09:47] <ksk> it might, but its much easier doing that with just openssh server.
1342[15:10:00] <Kalirog> Oh okay i see
1343[15:10:07] <ksk> and you are not running a vsftp you dont need/want.
1344[15:10:38] <Kalirog> We learn that it was a popular solution for entreprises but it's may be overkill for personnal use
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1346[15:10:45] <Kalirog> or at least it is used in different case
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1348[15:11:17] <Kalirog> Thanks for yours inputs, i'll make an SFTP with ssh server then :)
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1353[15:13:09] <abrotman> dpkg: sftp
1354[15:13:09] <dpkg> sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel and is usually what you should be using instead of ftp://ftp. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, gftp and many file managers like dolphin, konqueror and nautilus. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>.
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1356[15:14:58] <spacebug^> nyov: sadly those commands did not work. But I found help on another site. 'echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/input4\:\:scrolllock/brightness' will light up the led. Now I know the led is working and that was really all I wanted to know :)
1357[15:15:18] <nyov> interesting. thanks
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1362[15:16:10] <nyov> 'xset led named "Scroll Lock"' worked for me
1363[15:16:30] <spacebug^> are you running wayland though?
1364[15:16:51] <nyov> no
1365[15:17:09] <spacebug^> then thats it. Wayland handles input in its own way
1366[15:17:20] <nyov> ah okay!
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1369[15:18:51] <smg55> hi
1370[15:19:52] <vlt> Hello. On Debian 10 as Xen dom0 I want to pass a USB device to an HVM domU. Following the wiki replaced-url
1371[15:20:05] <vlt> Did anyone had such a problem and solved it?
1372[15:20:13] <vlt> Any idea qhat to check next?
1373[15:20:26] <smg55> im trying to make a bootleflash drive in persistent mode on a 64gb usb drive, but i cant get the partition bigger than 4 gigs. im doing this from windows by the way, what do i do?
1374[15:20:39] <smg55> bootable flash drive*
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1376[15:21:43] <hmuller> aha, byobu tmux backend is broken. using screen backend results in different appearance (caption line + status line) but gives me a new session when using different terminal on local host to ssh in to server
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1378[15:22:10] <hmuller> I was clearly doing this in the past without byobu
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1395[15:33:59] <GNU\colossus> ,v acmetool
1396[15:34:00] <judd> Package: acmetool on amd64 -- stretch: 0.0.58-5+b1; stretch-backports: 0.0.62-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 0.0.62-3+b11; buster: 0.0.62-3+b11; sid: 0.0.62-3+b11
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1523[16:52:24] <Freekid> Hi guys how are you all :)
1524[16:52:48] <Freekid> <3 <3 🧡💚💘
1525[16:53:33] <Freekid> cron is really helpful
1526[16:53:56] <wMw> yeap
1527[16:54:25] <Freekid> @reboot command
1528[16:54:34] <Freekid> 💖
1529[16:55:00] <Freekid> Am I on the official debian irc?
1530[16:55:51] <annadane> oftc is "official" but this is basically official too
1531[16:55:56] <annadane> (and freenode's has more people)
1532[16:56:08] <Freekid> yap right
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1576[17:18:00] <dem12olish> hello
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1578[17:18:06] <dem12olish> i have question
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1580[17:18:33] <katsklaw> so aks it
1581[17:18:46] <dem12olish> what configuration should i make to grub to choose my init system?
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1585[17:20:57] <dem12olish> i want to have the option on grub to choose between systemd and sysv
1586[17:21:04] <katsklaw> IIRC you can only have 1 init system installed at a time.
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1588[17:21:40] <katsklaw> if one can heve multiples, then I wouldn't know the answer to your question, sorry. I'm sure others would though.
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1591[17:25:45] <katsklaw> I do know that Linux OSs boot from an initramfs, so if you can have multiple init systems installed, you'd need a ram image for each.
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1594[17:26:59] <S95cv7> Hi, recently i begin to have some problem regarding the battery of my laptop. The status disapear sometimes and only reappear after a reboot ... I don't know if this is a bug of the OS, a problem with my battery or something i did ... Any idea ?
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1597[17:31:03] <S95cv7> The command upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0 seem to though. So it might be a problem with my desktop environnement (KDE). Will try to ask them
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1622[17:43:18] <dem12olish> thanks for the insight katsklaw, it turned out that the kernel parameter init= does not help. so if i was to create an initramfs targetting sysvinit what exactly should i do?
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1624[17:45:04] <dem12olish> thanks for the insight, it indeed turned out that the kernel parameter init= does not help. so if i was to create an initramfs targetting sysvinit what exactly should i do?
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1626[17:46:21] <katsklaw> initramfs's are updated with update-initramfs but builds a ramfs based on the currently running init system
1627[17:47:41] <dem12olish> hmm.. so i should first have a system booted with sysv, a vm would do right?
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1630[17:49:27] <dem12olish> actually is there some way to do it without using some vm? im kind of lazy
1631[17:50:06] <katsklaw> you cannot build a ramfs file for sysv on a systemd image
1632[17:50:52] <dem12olish> k got that, thanks for your help
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1686[18:30:53] <Bushmaster> Hi, I am trying to send a file from my Debian machine to Mint Machine via scp (network) and I get this replaced-url
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1695[18:35:05] <ratrace> Bushmaster: I think that message is pretty clear: No such file or directory
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1697[18:35:23] <Bushmaster> ratrace, here replaced-url
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1701[18:36:46] <ratrace> Bushmaster: is that really on the remote (192.168.1.14) computer? that's also hostname'd "bushcat"?
1702[18:37:06] <ratrace> looks like you're cd'ing and ls'ing on the computer you were trying to copy TO
1703[18:38:14] <Bushmaster> ratrace, give me a minute, somebody pointed some advice let me follow that first
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1705[18:38:48] <ratrace> I bet that's not even debian is it
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1708[18:39:54] <OS-67748> #offsec
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1713[18:41:27] <LtL> Bushmaster: scp 16335.jpg bushcat@192.168.1.14:/home/bushcat/test/ /* if that jpg is in your current dir and the target exists */
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1716[18:42:43] <vlt> Hello. On Debian 10 as Xen dom0 I want to pass a USB device to an HVM domU. Following the wiki replaced-url
1717[18:42:59] <vlt> Did anyone have such a problem and solve it?
1718[18:43:04] <vlt> Any idea what to check next?
1719[18:43:33] <Bushmaster> ratrace, and LtL thanks, somebody else resolved it
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1723[18:44:40] <Kalirog> if u used host:abcd:1234 yeah it won't work. I think that is an example.
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1727[18:46:48] <ratrace> good think they didn't
1728[18:46:51] <ratrace> *thing
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1730[18:47:22] <ratrace> I'd bet they confused source and destination, tried it the other way around.
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1732[18:48:34] <Kalirog> yes that was it
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1773[19:16:05] <Copenhagen_Bram> How do I get flatpak applications to show up in the start menu in LXDE?
1774[19:16:19] <Copenhagen_Bram> I get the following message whenever I run flatpak applications:
1775[19:16:24] <Copenhagen_Bram> "Note that the directories '/var/lib/flatpak/export/share' '~/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share' are not in the search path set by XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable, so applications installed by Flatpak may not appear on your desktop until the session is restarted."
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1797[19:28:17] <jbauer> Copenhagen_Bram: I haven't done any work with flatpaks but I think you could just log out and log back in and the entries should appear in the start menu. If not, you can add those two directories that it mentions in the message to the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable by adding export XDG_DATA_DIRS="$XDG_DATA_DIRS":[those directories separated by a :] to your ~/.profile
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1835[19:50:56] <Copenhagen_Bram> How do I configure lightdm to use /etc/XSession.d?
1836[19:51:04] <b1ack0p> sup
1837[19:51:15] <deego> Hm, using script to record an apt session creates giant files because of the progress bar. What do people do instead?
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1839[19:51:29] <mllie> Hi guys
1840[19:52:16] <mllie> I'm running a machine as a vm on vmware esxi. I have set 10 GB hdd size for the vm, but inside linux it says it's full after just 5 gb. Any ideas?
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1849[19:56:51] <spacebug^> mllie: what does 'df -h' say? (use paste.debian.net and paaste link here)
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1851[19:59:27] <jbauer> deego: the `apt` command is more for human readable output, if you want something that will play more nicely in scripts, `apt-get` would work better
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1853[20:01:49] <deego> jbauer: that's what i though.t I tried apt-get as well, same result. tons of "]^MScanning processes... [=========================================="
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1861[20:08:19] <jbauer> deego: interesting... which function of apt are you using? I don't see the output "Scanning processes..." for apt-get update or upgrade
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1867[20:09:54] <deego> jbauer: apt install (from debian 9)
1868[20:10:10] <deego> otoh, phogg suggested that i use apt-get with -q. will go try
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1893[20:24:42] <xok> hello all...
1894[20:25:00] <xok> I've got a vali preseed.cfg file...
1895[20:25:30] <xok> I am now trying fetch script and execute it...
1896[20:26:01] <xok> I tried calling it like this: sh /the/script.sh - bash /the/script.sh /target/bin/bash /the/script.sh but none worked...
1897[20:26:42] <xok> I am using this: d-i preseed/late_command string
1898[20:27:10] <xok> can anyone help me understand how to execute script files during the automatic installation?..
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1921[20:39:02] <InSearchofFreedo> Hey
1922[20:39:43] <InSearchofFreedo> When I install .deb firmware packages is all of the firmware contained within the packages loaded into the kernel or is it just the ones I need?
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1944[20:56:28] <ratrace> InSearchofFreedo: just the ones you need
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1946[20:57:40] <kyrio> anyone have some tips on a situation where a kvm vm has been created successfully on an ovh(soyoustart) dedi and by 20 different guides and posts everything has been configured correctly yet the VM still has no external network
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1979[21:24:19] <openface> Command 'pwsh' is available in '/snap/bin/pwsh'
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1998[21:36:56] <sarthe> so... on boot i get a flash (only because my eyes are fast) of some error message that goes something like: fsck failed, upgrade your version
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2000[21:37:17] <kreyren> What is the debian way to flash VBIOS?
2001[21:37:19] <sarthe> this is not in ANY logs i can find when i can actually log in.
2002[21:38:05] <abrotman> kreyren: does your vendor provide a linux way, or a boot CD?
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2005[21:38:37] <kreyren> abrotman, none that i am aware of excluding atiflash that doesn't seem to work
2006[21:39:24] <sarthe> does this thing actually work?
2007[21:39:52] <kreyren> sarthe, check `dmesg` if it's present after bootloader it will be there
2008[21:40:04] <sarthe> its not.
2009[21:40:04] <kreyren> i.e `sudo dmesg -H`
2010[21:40:22] <sarthe> ive less'd dmesg... nothing.
2011[21:40:32] <kreyren> sarthe, that shoudn't be possible maybe it's the message defined in grub?
2012[21:40:41] <kreyren> since grub outputs Loading linux.. initram..
2013[21:40:48] <sarthe> its probably some crap in initrd maybe?
2014[21:41:10] <sarthe> or that. but how to find exactly what it said, and fix it???
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2016[21:42:19] <sarthe> its becoming perhaps a bit of a problem, because im finding some files getting corrupted lately.
2017[21:43:11] <kreyren> sarthe, afaik initrd would be in dmesg as well
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2019[21:43:47] <kreyren> but if you there are corrupted files then i would check health of the harddive
2020[21:43:51] <kreyren> *harddrive
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2022[21:44:31] <sarthe> the disk seems fine, but ive had a few power failures... it probably just needs a good massage
2023[21:44:51] <sarthe> ...and proper fs check :)
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2025[21:45:26] <sarthe> hmm. actually its xfs... which ive never been able to force a check, so... ideas?
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2027[21:46:19] <sarthe> i still dont like that error that pops up before i can read it properly, but maybe that will fix it temporarily
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2037[21:52:56] <sarthe> last time i try xfs anyway... it was supposed to be better than ext4, and *is* on sgi irix, but the linux implementation needs work
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2092[22:27:14] <ksk> sarthe: do you have a xfs error pasted somewhere?
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2095[22:28:25] <ksk> normally, when linux cannot boot because of filesystemfoo, you would get thrown in a busybox, no?
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2103[22:34:07] <davorin> evening (o;
2104[22:34:27] <davorin> hmm...after running now for few days..my debian 10.2 server crashed suddenly again...
2105[22:34:54] <davorin> and on screen there isn't much i can identify what caused it: replaced-url
2106[22:35:38] <HaMsTeRs> that's gay
2107[22:35:45] <davorin> hmm?
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2109[22:36:46] <HaMsTeRs> those looks like memory dump
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2115[22:39:00] <oft_gegong> thanks to the devs for making this Linux experience awesome
2116[22:39:30] <davorin> and nothing on syslog before reboot
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2118[22:40:09] <jhutchins> davorin: General protection fault. Has this happened more than once.
2119[22:40:14] <davorin> yes
2120[22:40:34] <davorin> that's the third or fourth time now....though this time it took some days more...
2121[22:40:38] <jhutchins> davorin: Unless you're running something unusual on the box, it's most likely hardware related.
2122[22:41:13] <davorin> unusual like ivideo surveillance monitoring software?
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2124[22:41:20] <davorin> or unifi controller in java?
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2126[22:41:41] <davorin> hmm..i can stop those for a while to see....never liked java anyway (o;
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2128[22:42:16] <jhutchins> THings to check: dmesg and syslog for hardware errors. Make sure smartmontools is installed and runing, watch for bad block messages. You could do a memtest - requires booting from a live memtest image.
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2130[22:42:32] <jhutchins> Is this a laptop, desktop, or what?
2131[22:42:36] <sarthe> ksk, it boots fine, its just my fast eye spotting a warning flashing by on boot.
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2135[22:43:18] <sarthe> i do not like warnings, errors or anything on my systems
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2138[22:43:50] <jhutchins> sarthe: I see the occasional error message out of systemd, but it seems to loop back and correct it, everything ends up running fine.
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2142[22:44:33] <jhutchins> sarthe: The only one I've caught so far was that the vbox guest tools didn't load, but they ended up loaded. I think it's just timing.
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2144[22:45:53] <jhutchins> davorin: Server suggsts user-accessible components, in which case a) clean thoroughly with compressed air, b) Un-plug each component and plug it back in, even the CPU if you can. Same for all cables.
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2146[22:46:33] <sarthe> jhutchins, please redirect further comments to davorin, not me :)
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2148[22:47:56] <sarthe> i have a not logged boot message, im slighly worried about, not some video problem
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2153[22:50:05] <sarthe> ...or whatever the hells going on there, i didnt read the pastebin
2154[22:50:18] <davorin> hmm...well temperature is not of a problem....
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2156[22:50:34] <davorin> cpu cores are always around 34 degreed celsius
2157[22:50:45] <davorin> but can check other components...
2158[22:50:51] <davorin> so no software problem causing this?
2159[22:51:14] <davorin> or some misformed packets crashing iptables?
2160[22:51:23] <sarthe> ...as usual its javacrap denied anyway
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2163[22:52:06] * davorin wonders how long it takes until oracle charges for every java app (o;
2164[22:52:22] <sarthe> they dont even know how to make them
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2166[22:53:30] * sarthe wonders how long until somebody sues microsnot for using *your* computer for serving web pages
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2168[22:54:22] <sarthe> oh wait.. that already happened
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2170[22:55:08] <WoC> any suggestions on how i can change my system configuration to only do upgrades through the source package and never install any binary packages ?
2171[22:55:32] <davorin> freebsd? (o;
2172[22:55:35] <sarthe> apt pinning, maybe?, WoC?
2173[22:56:17] <WoC> Reason being, some packages are not compatible with the mainline architecure
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2176[22:56:44] <sarthe> i am doing something similar myself at the moment for an old thinkpad t42p that debian and ATI just.. forgot... how to make various drivers for
2177[22:57:19] <WoC> Linux ZEUS 5.5.1 #1 SMP Sat Feb 1 09:02:39 CST 2020 ppc64 GNU/Linux
2178[22:57:37] <sarthe> heh. mines 2.6.26
2179[22:57:42] <sarthe> and not even SMP
2180[22:57:44] <WoC> some packages contain power7+ code
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2182[22:58:20] <sarthe> but, meh. ok
2183[22:58:22] <WoC> so far, this runs rock steady :)
2184[22:58:37] <sarthe> in one ear, out the other.
2185[22:58:42] * davorin started with 2.0.38 on 8mb ram and 2mb flash (o;
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2187[22:59:09] * WoC started before 1.0.0 was out
2188[22:59:17] <sarthe> davorin, i started with minix, mate. this isnt a cock measuring contest!
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2191[22:59:31] <davorin> used sunos before...
2192[22:59:36] <davorin> anyway...(o;
2193[22:59:38] <sarthe> so did i
2194[22:59:39] <WoC> heh :)
2195[22:59:43] * WoC 3
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2197[22:59:56] <davorin> btw: is there a simple way to tell xfce to rotate the screen?
2198[23:00:05] <WoC> SonOS, HP-UX, AIX, F-BSD etc
2199[23:00:14] <WoC> even OS400
2200[23:00:23] <davorin> have a kivy touchscreen app with a portrait monitor..
2201[23:00:27] <WoC> xrandr ?
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2203[23:00:37] <davorin> z80 (o;
2204[23:00:37] <WoC> davorin:
2205[23:00:43] * sarthe ahh. irix was the best though
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2207[23:00:53] <WoC> OSF ;)
2208[23:01:15] <WoC> BeOS ;)
2209[23:01:16] <sarthe> hp-ux and aix sucked arse
2210[23:01:31] <WoC> actually rocked as file servers ;)
2211[23:01:41] <WoC> loved how you could boot the tape ;)
2212[23:01:58] <at0m> WoC: re: "never install binary packages" - #comment out the binary repo's, and leave just the source repo's?
2213[23:02:07] <sarthe> no, it sucked arse. the fs system was garbage
2214[23:02:08] <WoC> I had a HP9000/E45 at home, with 3 raid systems, all raid5
2215[23:02:26] <WoC> never had any issues with the fs
2216[23:02:29] <sarthe> anything at that time could boot from tape
2217[23:02:37] <at0m> sarthe: as a reminder, please keep this network family-friendly
2218[23:02:46] <sarthe> hell, decs from a decade before could
2219[23:03:02] <WoC> i also had a vax ;)
2220[23:03:15] <sarthe> here we go... some fuckwit with op. piss off
2221[23:03:17] <at0m> !chat
2222[23:03:17] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
2223[23:03:19] <WoC> super weird tapes on that one
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2225[23:03:23] <davorin> and i thought i was the oldest here (o;
2226[23:03:31] * WoC sorry
2227[23:03:41] <WoC> 51 today
2228[23:03:51] <davorin> reminds me to spend more time on my vacuum tube projects...
2229[23:03:56] <davorin> 53 soon (o;
2230[23:04:13] <davorin> well..was firstly in electronics for some ten years...later on compuserve...
2231[23:04:19] <WoC> dang, tubes for grub ?
2232[23:04:47] * WoC ok i stop, Debian support it is...
2233[23:05:03] <davorin> right (o;
2234[23:05:18] <davorin> what is the smalles hardware debian could run?
2235[23:05:29] <davorin> is there already risc-v support?
2236[23:06:09] <davorin> most small hardware are wlan routers leftovers running openwrt on mips hardware...
2237[23:06:33] <davorin> and openwrt from a developers point is a night,are (o;
2238[23:07:33] <bzed> davorin: raspberry pi, tinkerboard and friends are a good option
2239[23:07:45] <bzed> davorin: risc-v is in debian ports, not yet fully supported
2240[23:08:00] <davorin> have loads of rpis here....
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2243[23:08:44] <Guest69> is there an easy way to set up a bridge between wifi and lan adapter? would like to route from lan to wifi (using nftables, but never used it)
2244[23:08:44] <davorin> hmm..interesting....wonder how many more are jumping onto the risc-v train to save money spent to advanced risc machines
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2246[23:09:26] <davorin> Guest69: i've seen a project the other way around....using raspberry as wlan client and bridging ethernet behind...
2247[23:09:28] <Guest69> davorin probably alot, as there are already huge companies behind it, for example western digital
2248[23:09:53] <davorin> so i could hook up my old payphone via ata adapter over wifi
2249[23:09:55] <at0m> Guest69: for one, apt install bridge-utils
2250[23:10:00] <Guest69> davorin would like to connect a pc to wifi, and as I already have a device with wifi using
2251[23:10:26] <at0m> the bridge works as virtual network interface, br0
2252[23:10:35] <Guest69> at0m don't you need to have rules in nftables for that?
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2254[23:10:45] <davorin> replaced-url
2255[23:10:53] <at0m> Guest69: not sure, it's been a while
2256[23:10:59] <at0m> voila^^
2257[23:11:05] <davorin> for me only dhcp passing didn't work..so had to use static ip
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2259[23:11:15] <Guest69> davorin thanks, that's the same direction I also want to go :)
2260[23:11:18] <bzed> Guest69: just bridge them, should work
2261[23:11:21] <davorin> ah right...
2262[23:11:24] <Guest69> great :)
2263[23:11:43] <bzed> Guest69: although I've heard about weird issues, depending on the hardware
2264[23:12:02] <davorin> guess speed won't be brilliant though...
2265[23:12:07] <Guest69> bzed let's find out :)
2266[23:14:18] <davorin> anyone using amd cpu?
2267[23:14:35] <davorin> and knows what the two temp reading are with sensors?
2268[23:15:04] <davorin> Tdie and Tctl iirc
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2272[23:16:24] <davorin> well..as most calculations are done on gpus no big deal so far....most stable system i had so far :-)
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2283[23:24:20] <velix> Sorry for asking. Does this mine, my local package is too old and backports has a new one, which has some trouble? " libfuse3-dev : Depends: libfuse3-3 (= 3.4.1-1) but 3.7.0-1 is to be installed
2284[23:24:20] <velix> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." ?
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2293[23:27:04] <at0m> velix: 'held' packages are set to not upgrade. i'm sure there's an apt way to go about that, but i'm not that fluent in apt. check in aptitude's nc interface, and check for held packages there upon upgrade.
2294[23:27:15] <velix> okay.
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2296[23:27:21] <velix> at0m: you're not into IT? Pah :)
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2298[23:27:30] <at0m> ;p
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2300[23:30:33] <davorin> bugger..those trx40 boards are expensive...
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2317[23:45:13] <sponix2ipfw> davorin: the chips aren't cheap either
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2320[23:45:30] <Bushmaster> yes
2321[23:45:44] <FightingFalcon> Anyone familiar with English literature (particulary Shakespeare)?
2322[23:45:52] <sponix2ipfw> davorin: well... Price to performance they do well... But
2323[23:46:19] <sponix2ipfw> FightingFalcon: not doing your homework, sorry
2324[23:46:29] <FightingFalcon> Just a very basic question
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2328[23:47:19] <sponix2ipfw> FightingFalcon: Google should have the answer then
2329[23:47:26] <FightingFalcon> "The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!" >>> here what does "out, out, brief candle" mean?
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2332[23:49:04] <at0m> FightingFalcon: #debian-offtopic
2333[23:49:17] <jsync2> Debian doesn't include "wish" in the repository?
2334[23:49:19] <FightingFalcon> thanks
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2337[23:50:54] <jsync2> I see that Debian has Tcl & Tk packages, including Tclsh, though not wish, not actually. That seems weird.
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2346[23:56:13] <at0m> jsync2: aptitude tells me wish is a "Virtual package provided by: tk"
2347[23:57:09] <at0m> jsync2: apt show tk > "Provides: wish"
2348[23:58:55] <jsync2> I did a search. I noticed that wish was included in Debian Sid & Jessie, & those were the only citations.
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2350[23:59:46] <at0m> this search i did was on buster
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