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24[00:15:08] <jhutchins> lucas-arg: Do you have EFI?
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26[00:15:30] <jhutchins> !live
27[00:15:30] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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30[00:16:12] <lucas-arg> i do
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32[00:16:33] <lucas-arg> i downloaded the non-free iso and installed ok but without live session
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49[00:22:31] <donofrio> my video looks like replaced-url
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60[00:28:53] <donofrio> looks like this from my windows 10 desktop replaced-url
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64[00:31:18] <donofrio> so yah debian 9 is what I'm running replaced-url
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66[00:32:20] <mtn> donofrio: which video card/chip? and which driver are you using?
67[00:32:52] <pacha> hi, I mounted an sd card with an ext4 partition on /media, and I when I want to copy a big file (~1.5gb), I do the usual `cp ~/archive.tar /media/ttt/some_dir' but cp finishes quickly and I have to do sync for the actual copying. the same goes with rsync
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69[00:33:06] <pacha> is it possible to do a cp/rsync without caching?
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72[00:33:34] <pacha> or whatever is done that needs sync to actually copy the files to my drive
73[00:33:40] <donofrio> mtn, what would I type (did you see my inxi output)
74[00:33:56] <mtn> donofrio: I didn't. run: inxi -Gx
75[00:34:11] <petn-randall> pacha: If you unmount the filesystem, the 'umount' command should block until it's finished writing.
76[00:34:48] <petn-randall> pacha: You can of course prevent that by mounting it in the first place with the option 'sync', but that will hurt performance greatly.
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80[00:35:28] <pacha> petn-randall: should I pass some flags to mount? I dont care about performance
81[00:35:45] <donofrio> mtn, replaced-url
82[00:35:48] <petn-randall> pacha: Yes, the one I said.
83[00:36:16] <pacha> sudo mount -o sync /dev/sdf2 /media/ttt, this should work right?
84[00:36:36] <petn-randall> !tias
85[00:36:36] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
86[00:36:42] <mtn> donofrio: you need to look at the debian wiki on ati video. not sure how it is being handled these days. ati support is not very good lately
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88[00:37:23] <pacha> petn-randall: I know but I have to copy around ~20gb and I am in a tight schedule
89[00:37:33] <pacha> I will try it, hope I this works
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91[00:37:44] <pacha> s/I/it
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97[00:40:53] <donofrio> mtn, was hoping for load this firmware or something....
98[00:41:24] <petn-randall> pacha: I don't think 'tight on schedule' and the 'sync' mount option go hand in hand well.
99[00:41:35] * petn-randall shrugs.
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108[00:49:39] <donofrio> mtn, anyone have any good ati 3d enabled usage with Debian 9?
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111[00:51:02] <nobody> donofrio: he logged off
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113[00:52:28] <donofrio> nobody, that is why I asked "anyone" :)
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145[01:02:38] <jhutchins> donofrio: Your video issue sounds more like a bad cable/connection than a driver issue.
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148[01:03:18] <jhutchins> !nvidia
149[01:03:18] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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151[01:04:17] <jhutchins> donofrio: You haven't said what model/chipset is is (lspci -nn)
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198[01:29:43] <baraba> Anyone know when 5.11 plasma is to hit testing or unstable?
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200[01:31:42] <donofrio> jhutchins, replaced-url
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202[01:32:25] <annadane> baraba, you might try asking the maintainers
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204[01:32:44] <donofrio> jhutchins, and in ubuntu 16.04 powerpc it was not flickering and sound worked, remmina was too old and I coudn't connect to work windows 10 desktop, I'm able to now but the rdp stream is blue?
205[01:32:55] <annadane> debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org
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212[01:37:29] <baraba> thx, annadane I might try official IRC
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249[02:04:18] <donofrio> here is a few video's of the flickering (close onedrive login if prompted) replaced-url
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276[02:19:00] <ahmadadnan> I would like to migrate all VM in one node before the server is shutdown by using apccontrol. but I don't know how.
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289[02:30:52] <a|i167> ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ replaced-url
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292[02:31:30] <cheers> ok
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319[02:49:29] <donofrio> here is a few video's of the flickering (close onedrive login if prompted) replaced-url
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351[03:16:43] <Rusty1_> er qmmp
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369[03:30:23] <donofrio> anyone use ati's here?
370[03:30:32] <somiaj> just ask your actual question
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374[03:30:55] <donofrio> getting video weirdness here is a few video's of the flickering (close onedrive login if prompted) replaced-url
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382[03:35:40] <Rusty1_> donofrio: run it by #xorg as well
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389[03:40:32] <somiaj> have you installed the non-free frimware and are you using the radeon driver? Or is this a newer card with the amdgpu driver?
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393[03:42:30] <donofrio> somiaj, stock setup so far of "Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 "Sid" - Unofficial powerpc NETINST 20171203-23:46"
394[03:42:44] <donofrio> on my g5 tower
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399[03:44:07] <donofrio> works much better for work now (I can at least get connected using remmina 1.2.0) but video not working and no sound at all...
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401[03:44:47] <donofrio> open to suggestions (would like something from this year, seems like to many howto's are old 2014 or later)
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409[03:53:25] <mnuhmnuh> donofrio: sid is #debian-next on oftc.
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440[04:14:26] <donofrio> mnuhmnuh, that is an 'invite only' channel freenode says?
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444[04:15:34] <qman> donofrio: on OFTC, it's a different network
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456[04:22:31] <Arahael> I tried to run Debian in VirtualBox on a mac os host. However, I quickly got a black screen, particularly after installing the guest additions. Is this a known issue and how can I avoid it?
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475[04:34:43] <jehorn> Evening all
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486[04:37:04] <azzz> hi guys ... fresh stretch install. apt install wine/wine32/winetricks .. yet cant run any exe's with wine? cant even right click and open with Wine like in Jessie? if i terminal "wine /location/of/exe" it launches the exe, without sound ... ... any pointers? been googling all day
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488[04:38:02] <azzz> i did try scrapping wine/wine32/winetricks and installing PlayOnLinux instead ... letting it install wine and all other associated bits it wants ... but absoltuely no different.
489[04:38:14] <azzz> if i do any o fhtese steps in jessie, i can simply double click .exe's and run them.
490[04:38:23] <azzz> and they certainly have sound
491[04:38:34] <azzz> never needed to involve the cli before
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497[04:40:20] <jehorn> So are you saying wine works in Jessie but not Stretch? or? Ive never had a problem. But the last time I used wine was in Jessie.
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499[04:40:38] <azzz> Been on Wheezy / Jessie for years now ... never had an issue doing this
500[04:41:01] <azzz> wine doesn't even seem to get a menu launcher in stretch
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503[04:41:16] <azzz> never mind be an application you can open files with
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505[04:42:10] <azzz> i cant find any way to point nautilus to wine for exe's either ... completely foriegn to jessie.
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507[04:43:02] <azzz> just about ready to format for a fourth time ... and this time NOT install wine/wine32/winetricks and just let playonlinux do it from the word go. but this is my last desperate idea ...
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510[04:44:01] <jehorn> Thats weird, I might have to check this out and see if it works for me.
511[04:44:15] <azzz> not complainging - just pulling my hair out desperate for ideas
512[04:44:19] <azzz> complaining*
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516[04:45:20] <jehorn> I cant imagine that it would be totally broken and no one knew
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518[04:45:40] <azzz> well if i open play on linux i can create ... containers in there etc..
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520[04:46:04] <azzz> but the whole functionallity of just being able to have a windows folder sitting in your linux home folder .. and running the exe from nautilus ... seems to have been outlawed ?
521[04:46:13] <azzz> for what reason i can NOT imagine ?
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523[04:46:50] <azzz> seems to be a rather large functional change to wine to me ? but i'm clueless.. its always just worked.
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525[04:47:07] <jehorn> Im just assuming reasonable testing was done lol
526[04:47:47] <azzz> ((mutters about 3 days of stretch and cant work out how this is a stable release)) :P
527[04:48:31] <azzz> anyway - happy with keywords to help me google the issue better if anyone has any suggestions.
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532[04:49:45] <azzz> ((is there a problem staying in jessie for another 4 years btw?? ))
533[04:49:58] <azzz> ((i'm not really going to miss out on much, right?))
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585[05:46:42] <jerware> hi
586[05:46:51] <jerware> does the current version of Debian support UEFI boot?
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588[05:48:04] <somiaj> sorta, debian has supported efi boot for a few releases now. secure boot is not supported though.
589[05:48:39] <Arahael> I think secure boot is possible, but difficult.
590[05:48:50] <rpifan> i use efistub
591[05:48:54] <rpifan> no bootloader at all
592[05:49:16] <RoyK> !efistub
593[05:49:33] <Arahael> rpifan: What does that buy you?
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595[05:50:09] <somiaj> secure boot might be poosible by taking some stuff from ubuntu, but you still won't have a secure key on systems by defaults, in general best to just say it is not possible.
596[05:50:57] <Arahael> somiaj: Ah, good point.
597[05:50:59] <somiaj> Arahael: uefi is basically a boot loader, so very little reason to use one, such as grub, so it mainly just setups the efi info to boot, and then lets the efi firmware be the bootloader to choose what efi to boot.
598[05:51:27] <rpifan> lets time
599[05:51:31] <Arahael> Cool.
600[05:52:16] <Arahael> somiaj: The debian page has a fairly substantial con - doesn't work nicely with multiple kernels.
601[05:52:20] <Arahael> replaced-url
602[05:52:54] * Arahael heads out.
603[05:54:01] <somiaj> Arahael: it might, but one would have to setup a .efi file for each kernel which maynot be possible by default
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605[05:54:14] <somiaj> not that debian stable provides multile kernels by default though
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608[05:56:34] <Arahael> doesnt i keep the old one around?
609[05:56:42] <Arahael> * it
610[05:56:52] <somiaj> no, the kernel packages are all the same name, so it replaces it
611[05:57:06] <Arahael> ah, interesting
612[05:57:08] <somiaj> (there are some cases where the kernel package name changes, but that doesn't always happen)
613[05:57:29] <somiaj> it did happen in stretch with 9.2 though, so there maybe a pre 9.2 kernel and a post 9.2 kernel on the system
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618[05:58:07] <Arahael> cool - well i am heading home now so chat another time :)
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694[06:51:09] <awal1> Anyone uses 'sic'?
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710[07:05:54] <somiaj> awal1: you should know to ask better questions than that by now.
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712[07:07:05] <awal1> somiaj, well, you may be right but i wanted to try sic ( sucklesstools irc client) and it simply doesn't connect . no help googling :P
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731[07:20:38] <Arahael> awal1: I thought you meant in their *vocabularly*.
732[07:21:02] <Arahael> awal1: From the latin, "so thus"
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734[07:21:15] <Arahael> awal1: From the latin, "so, thus"
735[07:21:24] * Arahael thought the comma is important.
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737[07:22:05] <awal1> hm
738[07:22:55] <somiaj> unsure on that, what errors do you get when you try to connect
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742[07:25:15] <awal1> error: cannot connect to host 'irc.oftc.net'
743[07:25:21] <awal1> nothing in logs
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746[07:28:48] <somiaj> either sic doesn't support the irc protcol needed for oftc, or you need to specify the correct port
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750[07:30:34] <awal1> i already tried for ssl port sic -h ircs://irc.oftc.net -p 6697 but still same error
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753[07:31:25] <awal1> or -p 6667 and alternative non-ssl but no luck
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758[07:34:11] <xormor> try irssi.
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764[07:37:26] <awal1> yes. I wanted to try all cli irc clients and chose one
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769[07:39:45] <somiaj> awal1: sic -h irc.oftc.net work just fine for me here
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773[07:41:09] <awal1> somiaj, I am trying 'sic' in a debian vm (sid) , not in my host (sid)
774[07:41:17] <awal1> you in host?
775[07:41:26] <somiaj> maybe your vm doesn't correctly have internet access to reach irc.oftc.net
776[07:41:40] <somiaj> whcih the error clearly said something like that could be a problem
777[07:41:47] <awal1> hexchat connects
778[07:42:35] <awal1> 'ii' also won't :P
779[07:42:46] <awal1> well, later I try them in host
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787[07:46:07] <awal1> according to their manuals they should "just work" executin 'sic' or 'ii' . for ii I get "ii: cannot connect to host: Connection refused" no matters which port, nickname, host ...
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790[07:47:48] <somiaj> either you have done something to trigger the firewall or irc.oftc.net preventing you from connecting or your network is not setup correctly
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792[07:48:21] <somiaj> you may want to ask on #oftc on irc.oftc.net, but I don't think it has much to do with debian or the software. Something with the network and/or how irc.oftc.net is accepting you.
793[07:48:40] <awal1> probably firewall or some security apps I run, such as tigger, tripewire...
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800[07:52:26] <kirk781> irssi is the only cli client I no
801[07:52:50] <awal1> weechat
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805[07:55:58] <u0_a147> morn all
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827[08:08:03] <darxmurf> morning
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841[08:16:31] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Xfce on Debian Stretch. I hear a weird beep on certain events (like at the end of file list in thunar and you are try to scroll with 'down array' key). So I set `xset b off` as an autostart program and it solved that issue. But xset gets executed when xfce session starts. This doesn't solve the "beep" problem for the lightdm i.e. at the time of login.
842[08:16:50] <rootkea> *'down arrow'
843[08:17:29] <rootkea> Where do I put xset command to execute it before lightdm starts?
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847[08:21:11] <somiaj> rootkea: sounds like your system speaker, you could jsut remove the modular that controls it
848[08:21:45] <somiaj> the module is just called pcspkr and you can blacklist it
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850[08:22:39] <awal1> somiaj, effectively, something is wrong in vbox net configuration. In my sid host sic works just fine
851[08:23:18] <rootkea> somiaj: I don't want to remove the kernel module as I think it's there to report an error condition when kernel hasn't loaded yet. (Is that right?!)
852[08:23:47] <rootkea> So it would be great if I could execute xset once X has started
853[08:23:54] <awal1> well, maybe not vbox but securty tools blocking ports
854[08:23:59] <somiaj> rootkea: I don't think the kernel really uses the system speaker. your bios may if you have hardware issues, but removing it from the kernel won't affect that.
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856[08:25:38] <rootkea> somiaj: Thanks for the info! So there is no loss if I blacklist the module? Now I wonder why is it there in the first place? why not blacklisted?
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859[08:26:30] <somiaj> rootkea: I have 'set bell-style none' in my ~/.inputrc, which disables bells in my shell, but I don't use a display mananger. You might beable to set that setting in an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nobell.conf config file, but I woudln't know the option.
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862[08:27:06] <somiaj> rootkea: I don't think there will be any noticalbe loss for removing the module. All the pre kernel stuff will be just fine, and once the kernel is loaded, if it has problems, it will produce output
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869[08:29:43] <rootkea> somiaj: Okay. But if I still insist on turning off the beep using xset could you please direct me towards the right direction about which file to edit? I have been reading about .xsession, .profile, .xinitrc etc. but couldn't really figure it out :(
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871[08:30:22] <somiaj> I told you how to disable it in the shell, and if you want it turned off, there maybe an xorg.conf configuration you can make a config snippet for
872[08:30:51] <somiaj> pcspkr is mostly legacy and not really used by anything, unless you like the old system where errors cause your computer to beep, you can just blacklist the module
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876[08:33:12] <rootkea> somiaj, on the top of my head there is one kernel module (a hack) which plays the music! Guess I can't listen to it if I blacklist the speaker module!
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878[08:33:27] <rootkea> Yes! Here it is replaced-url
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880[08:34:22] <AndreasLutro> rootkea: I don't think xsession/xinitrc are invoked if you use lightdm, might want to look into configuring lightdm to run the xset command when it starts or something
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884[08:35:18] <rootkea> AndreasLutro: Yes, exactly! That's what I'm looking for
885[08:35:23] <somiaj> Sure, you can use the pcspkr and there are apps that use it, but it is legacy, almost everyone uses a sound card. In order for xset to be run, it has to be run after xorg has started, but your display manager will run before any of the user xsession stuff is processed.
886[08:35:54] <somiaj> so you can either configure lightdm or xorg.conf (this maybe possible, but not finding any details) to disable the speaker at that time.
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888[08:36:12] <somiaj> but in most cases people aren't using the pcspkr for anything, so just disabling the module works too
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890[08:36:37] <somiaj> hmm, did find someone who doesn't think there is a config option in xorg.conf, so maybe there isn't
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893[08:38:29] <rootkea> somiaj: Thanks for the help! But as a last resort I am searching a little bit on how or who starts DM (I have a feeling lightdm or any DM will start only after X server is started) and whether xset can be put just before lightdm gets executed
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905[08:41:54] <rootkea> /etc/X11/Xsession looks promising!
906[08:41:54] <rootkea> Comment says global Xsession file -- used by display managers and xinit (startx)
907[08:42:40] <somiaj> I don't think that is read until after you login
908[08:43:08] <somiaj> a display manager is used to choose a session, but I think the session stuff is parsed after the login, not before. (though I could be mistaken)
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915[08:44:47] <Rico> hello
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917[08:45:11] <Rico> I'm trying to change atop accounting file location in latest debian 8, without success
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919[08:46:12] <Rico> found bug reports about that
920[08:46:16] <Rico> but none of them helped me
921[08:46:57] <rootkea> Rico > latest Debisn 8
922[08:46:57] <rootkea> You mean 9, right?
923[08:47:03] <rootkea> *Debian
924[08:47:11] <Rico> nope, latest version of debian 8 (debian 8.10)
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1007[09:34:00] <rootkea> somiaj: Hello! I solved "executing `xset b off` before login" by editing lightdm.conf as suggested by another user (sorry, forgot their name!) using answer given here replaced-url
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1011[09:34:25] <rootkea> It was greeter-setup-script=xset b off :)
1012[09:34:42] <rootkea> Thanks for the help folks!
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1055[09:55:49] <DerLG> ufw is enabled but exited...
1056[09:56:03] <DerLG> not sure what it means
1057[09:56:13] <somiaj> more context?
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1059[09:56:48] <DerLG> "systemctl status ufw" bring "Active: active (exited) since ....."
1060[09:57:22] <somiaj> well a firewall is mostly a set of iptables/netfilter configuration, so to 'run' a file wall, you need mearly run a script that sets the settings, then exit
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1063[09:57:57] <somiaj> so that means the script that uses the configuration you setup runs, set's up the netfilter rules, then exits nicely once it is done.
1064[09:58:08] <somiaj> and the firewall is now int he memeory of the kernel
1065[09:58:32] <babilen> Run "iptables-save" to take a look at the rules
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1074[10:03:07] <DerLG> nothing happend babilen
1075[10:03:31] <jhatoms> hello there, I have some issues with the retrieval of a debian-8.8 with jigdo, the soft crash with 8 files that it cannot retrieve (I tried giving him others ftp mirror after the error : fr, us, de, uk).
1076[10:03:31] <DerLG> orignally i just wanted to put "ufw status" in my conky widget
1077[10:03:37] <DerLG> but i need sudo for that
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1079[10:03:54] <DerLG> so thats why i went with systemctl
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1082[10:06:17] <babilen> DerLG: Mind pasting your command and the entirety (or lack thereof) of its output to replaced-url
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1092[10:12:59] <DerLG> babilen: replaced-url
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1096[10:17:20] <babilen> DerLG: That's not what I asked for .. Please paste the output of "apt-cache policy ufw" and "iptables-save"
1097[10:17:37] <DerLGm> Oh
1098[10:17:49] <somiaj> DerLGm: have you even configured a firewall with ufw, or just installed it?
1099[10:18:32] <babilen> It might come with some default rules, but lets see ... the commands above should provide enough data to go on
1100[10:18:33] <DerLGm> somiaj: both ufw and iptables should be condigured
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1109[10:23:51] <freiform__> HI, I recently stumbled over a blueman related Bluetooth problem and wanted to know if I am under any misconception how accessing a serial device over BT should work: replaced-url
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1146[10:39:17] <dx486> Hi! My internal NTFS hard drive is automatically mounted read-only on my debian 9 stable system. I have tried many things in fstab but could not solve this issue. ntfs-3g is installed. I used ntfs-config but it did not help either. Could you please tell me exactly what should I write to its fstab line?
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1149[10:40:15] <klys> dx486, do you have external usb storage? you would normally need to instruct windows to reboot.
1150[10:40:40] <dx486> klys, yes, I have several external usb storages.
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1153[10:41:01] <klys> dx486, well can you reboot from windows?
1154[10:41:07] <dx486> klys, so should I boot onto Windows and reboot it?
1155[10:41:13] <klys> I think so.
1156[10:41:30] <dx486> ok I will try. thank you.
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1169[10:45:03] <FarhaadN> hi every one , i have a log file in debian 8 from hylafax
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1172[10:45:47] <FarhaadN> ﺪﺳﺎﻤﺑﺭ 18 09:52:09.85: [ 1654]: S
1173[10:45:54] <FarhaadN> somting like that
1174[10:45:59] <FarhaadN> why is right to left?
1175[10:46:03] <FarhaadN> and how change it left to right?
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1183[10:47:15] <FarhaadN> can anyone help me?
1184[10:47:28] <KG7QEO> hi
1185[10:47:49] <KG7QEO> i am trying to install a ham radio program but it was a old version of readline
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1187[10:47:53] <KG7QEO> what can i do?
1188[10:48:11] <KG7QEO> will installing the old version break things?
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1192[10:50:28] <dx486> klys, Your advice solved my problem. Thanks a lot! It took a lot of time for me searching on the web & in manuals about this but never read that anywhere. I was frustrated.
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1197[10:57:26] <fiet> FarhaadN: I'm not entirely sure, but isn't that part of a locale setting?
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1226[11:12:30] <FarhaadN> fiet: how can i check?
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1232[11:15:12] <Tarrasquero> FarhaadN: echo $LANG?
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1234[11:16:12] <jelly> FarhaadN: how does hexdump -C show the contents?
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1361[12:31:58] <rootkea> [X-Post] Hello! I am using LUKS on LVM on Debian Stretch. I have encrypted /home and swap partition. When initram gets loaded it asks for password to decrypt swap partition. That passowrd doesn't get printed to screen. No stars. Nothing.
1362[12:32:09] <rootkea> But After which Kernel gets loaded (I think) and it asks password for /home which gets printed as stars. I'm really worried about this. Here is a screenshot replaced-url
1363[12:32:24] <rootkea> How do I prevent those stars from getting printed on the screen?
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1389[12:50:48] <darxmurf> why do you want to hide them ?
1390[12:50:58] <darxmurf> I mean... it's stars...
1391[12:51:10] <darxmurf> except if your password is made of stars ^^
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1396[12:51:51] <rootkea> darxmurf, You clearly don't know about UNIX traditionally hiding passwords and the reason behind it.
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1399[12:52:04] <rootkea> To begin with, it reveals the lenght
1400[12:52:09] <rootkea> *length
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1402[12:52:35] <rootkea> Printing nothing provides an additional security, if you will.
1403[12:52:40] <darxmurf> rootkea: you clearly don't know about me ^^
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1408[12:52:51] <darxmurf> but I understand your fear
1409[12:52:59] <rootkea> darxmurf, Thanks
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1487[13:21:45] <leachim6> is there a way to upgrade debian stable to debian testing? or would that fall under #DontBreakdebian
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1491[13:23:59] <LioneLL> in /etc/apt/sources.list
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1496[13:24:48] <babilen> leachim6: You might want to read replaced-url
1497[13:24:52] <babilen> dpkg: tum
1498[13:24:52] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
1499[13:25:03] <babilen> leachim6: ^ -- also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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1512[13:28:53] <gpunk> I run a sid just fine
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1515[13:29:04] <gpunk> on my main laptop
1516[13:29:11] <gpunk> zero issues
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1532[13:38:11] <NetTerminalGene> is debian gnome stable on stretch?
1533[13:38:18] <NetTerminalGene> how do you find it?
1534[13:38:27] <babilen> "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing"
1535[13:38:40] <NetTerminalGene> i found some bugs in kde
1536[13:39:10] <NetTerminalGene> babilen, yeah i know. i was asking if gnome is trouble
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1538[13:40:12] <rootkea> NetTerminalGene, I personally find GNOME to be little heavy and thus slow while KDE being fancy and buggy.
1539[13:40:19] <rootkea> Try XFCE instead
1540[13:40:34] <NetTerminalGene> i ditched xfce for kde :D
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1544[13:41:34] <babilen> NetTerminalGene: "Gnome" comprises way too much software .. there'll be bugs every now and then
1545[13:41:38] <gpunk> i use gnome, i just love it ... for me: fast and eyecandy
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1547[13:42:19] <mrig> NetTerminalGene, I am really enjoying gnome; My system can handle it well.
1548[13:43:01] <gpunk> ans i got a coreduo 1.6Ghz
1549[13:43:05] <gpunk> and*
1550[13:43:14] <mrig> the keyboard shortcuts are great once you get the hang of them and configure just a little.
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1555[13:44:52] <gpunk> perso. I had to activate a couple of extensions
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1557[13:45:00] <gpunk> i dont like unity-style
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1560[13:45:57] <mrig> gpunk: the workspaces?
1561[13:46:25] <gpunk> yes, i activated apps menu
1562[13:46:35] <gpunk> got rid of dock
1563[13:47:23] <gpunk> activated windows list (in the bottom)
1564[13:47:36] <gpunk> kinda look like old gnome .... lol
1565[13:48:03] <gpunk> i like the inegration on some of the applications
1566[13:48:15] <gpunk> like polari and empathy
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1569[13:49:17] <juangh> hi there friends, i hope you have a great time. i'm looking for a Debian Base OS with suport just for a browser...It is for a old pc, and i just need a browser and of course network suport. Any idea about OS like this? Debian base please
1570[13:49:51] <NetTerminalGene> juangh, why not debian itself?
1571[13:49:56] <gpunk> yes
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1574[13:50:19] <mrig> I never touch the mouse, well as little as possible, as such the unity style is nice.
1575[13:50:23] <juangh> I think something preconfigured...
1576[13:50:28] <NetTerminalGene> you can install minimal xfce
1577[13:50:43] <juangh> could be a options
1578[13:50:44] <_NiC> Is there any archive somewhere where I can download the netboot.tar.gz for 8.9?
1579[13:50:56] <gpunk> mrig: i am a mouse person :)
1580[13:50:58] <juangh> but i habe just 1 GB of space to use it
1581[13:51:04] <juangh> i have
1582[13:51:05] <juangh> sorry
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1584[13:51:14] <juangh> it is for a PoS
1585[13:51:26] <mrig> juangh, you might be able to just install a simple server and then add and the bare minimum such as xorg for your browser.
1586[13:51:51] <juangh> I will give it a try
1587[13:52:17] <juangh> Donwloading Debian 8 iso...let's try
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1589[13:52:34] <mrig> juangh this looks interesting :~ replaced-url
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1591[13:52:40] <juangh> I try it with debian 9 and return a error
1592[13:52:45] <juangh> accessing mrig
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1596[13:54:10] <juangh> the conditions are very difficult, it is a old pc, for a PoS, with a Compact Flash with 1 Gb of space as HDD
1597[13:54:53] <juangh> I should install it in a Virtual Machine and then insert it to the "pc", preinstalled
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1599[13:55:02] <juangh> let's try as you say
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1605[13:56:24] <mrig> ah yes you could run a VM copy of the machine and compile specifically for it, in an ideal world :)
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1612[13:59:45] <juangh> I install Knoppix 7 using that way but no take the network card
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1614[14:00:04] <juangh> it is perfect but, without network
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1619[14:02:37] <juangh> i just need a base system (just with the console), that let me install what i need, just with network support...let see what can i do
1620[14:02:42] <juangh> thanks!...
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1629[14:08:00] <rootkea> juangh, Does Raspbian happen to support PoS you're working/toying with?
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1631[14:09:31] <juangh> rootkea, I dev one with python and django...I have it working well...but i need a browser in the client
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1637[14:10:56] <jelly> mrig: if articles references etch, it's a good hint it's seriously out of date (that's a decade old debian 4 release)
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1639[14:11:08] <jelly> !release history
1640[14:11:08] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. replaced-url
1641[14:11:16] <juangh> Netinstall with Deb 9 say that 1 GB is to small
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1643[14:11:21] <juangh> is too small
1644[14:11:45] <juangh> I need just a base operative system and then i install every thing else
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1647[14:12:19] <gpunk> you'd have to try older releases ...
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1650[14:12:35] <juangh> I will try gpunk
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1653[14:12:48] <gpunk> but you may have an outdated non working browser ...
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1656[14:13:12] <juangh> but i'm thinking to compile one OS and share it just with base, xfce minimal, and a browser
1657[14:13:33] <juangh> max 300 Mb
1658[14:13:50] <juangh> I will try it later, now, let's download other release
1659[14:14:30] <juangh> mmm raspbian don't help
1660[14:14:35] <juangh> it is 386 arch
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1662[14:14:57] <rootkea> If a self-compiled OS is good for you then what about DSL - Damn Small Linux?
1663[14:15:06] <rootkea> It's just 50MB
1664[14:16:17] <rootkea> Even Puppy Linux can fit the bill! 210 MB
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1666[14:16:40] <juangh> I try DSL but i can't update the browser
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1668[14:16:54] <juangh> I need support to CSS and JS
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1670[14:17:56] <juangh> Puppy can be, but...idem. I can not update the browser...With puppy i don't use a lot of time, because i want a debian base OS.
1671[14:18:02] <mrig> jelly, yes the guy is just telling his story, gives the right idea even if out of date.
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1673[14:18:22] <iflema> ssl tls after that stuff you could shove in some more
1674[14:18:31] <iflema> why no use some that already is
1675[14:19:05] <iflema> slackware
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1682[14:23:32] <talin> hello. i installed dosfstools but i can't find mkfs..
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1685[14:24:32] <talin> are there any other packages i should know about?
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1688[14:26:27] <xand> talin: which mkfs do you want?
1689[14:26:38] <gpunk> mkfs.vfat ?
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1691[14:26:50] <talin> fat32 would be nice
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1693[14:27:10] <xand> what gpunk said
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1695[14:27:38] <gpunk> mkfs -t vfat ...
1696[14:27:46] <talin> mkfs<tab> shows nothing
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1698[14:28:31] <talin> dpkg -s dosfstools lists a bunch of /usr/share/doc stuff only
1699[14:28:32] <dpkg> Package: dosfstools lists a bunch of /usr/share/doc stuff only: Status: install ok installed
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1702[14:29:37] <gpunk> mkfs -t vfat /dev/toto doesnt work ?
1703[14:29:53] <xand> that package should create /sbin/mkfs.vfat among other things
1704[14:30:26] <talin> there is no mkfs command
1705[14:30:28] <xand> you want "dpkg -L dosfstools" to list all the files
1706[14:30:34] <gpunk> are you root ?
1707[14:30:35] <xand> mkfs does not come from that package btw
1708[14:30:38] <tsukuyomi> hi, I'm getting the following error when I start up: replaced-url
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1710[14:31:01] <gpunk> you have to be root
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1712[14:31:28] <talin> argh, that's the problem i htink
1713[14:31:36] <juangh> Debian 9 and 8...without success...Debian 7, working by now
1714[14:31:43] <juangh> :)
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1717[14:31:59] <talin> "which mkfs" only shows things in my own path?
1718[14:32:10] <xand> correct
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1720[14:32:20] <talin> alright. thanks a lot for the help guys
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1729[14:34:46] <tsukuyomi> it seems to be a graphic driver failure.. is there something I can do?
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1731[14:35:31] <gpunk> you just need the firmware
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1733[14:36:17] <gpunk> is this installed ? firmware-amd-graphics
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1736[14:36:39] <tsukuyomi> no gpunk
1737[14:36:49] <tsukuyomi> doesn't seem to be installed
1738[14:36:52] <gpunk> installe it and reboot :)
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1740[14:37:09] <tsukuyomi> ok thank you :D
1741[14:37:17] <gpunk> you'r welcome
1742[14:37:23] <tsukuyomi> done rebooting now
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1752[14:39:24] <tsukuyomi> gpunk, may I ask you one more thing? I'm also getting this error: replaced-url
1753[14:39:31] <_NiC> I can boot a server from the 8.9 netinst ISO and use a preseed file, and the installer runs fine. I boot from PXE, the 8.9 netboot, with the same preseed file, and the installer fails at mounting my root partition. Any ideas what might cause this?
1754[14:39:36] <gpunk> ok let me see
1755[14:39:57] <tsukuyomi> however the firmware does seem to be installed
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1757[14:40:22] <gpunk> install this firmware-iwlwifi
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1759[14:41:00] <tsukuyomi> that one it's installed
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1765[14:43:32] <tsukuyomi> brb I'll reboot
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1771[14:47:46] <gpunk> good news ?
1772[14:48:25] <tsukuyomi> hmm I'm getting a i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin failed to load error
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1774[14:48:39] <tsukuyomi> but the other amdgpu error seems is gone gpunk
1775[14:49:04] <gpunk> hmm do you have a hybrid videocard?
1776[14:49:21] <tsukuyomi> yes
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1778[14:49:58] <gpunk> install this plz firmware-misc-nonfree
1779[14:50:20] <tsukuyomi> alrighty
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1782[14:51:42] <tsukuyomi> done, I'll reboot
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1798[14:58:06] <tsukuyomi> perfect gpunk!
1799[14:58:10] <tsukuyomi> it's totally gone now
1800[14:58:13] <NetTerminalGene> i915/skl_dmc_ver1_26.bin firmware causes freezing randomly in my system. so, i removed it. it is optional and you will be fine without it.
1801[14:58:25] <gpunk> :)
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1803[14:58:44] <tsukuyomi> I hope that doesn't happen to me too NetTerminalGene lol
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1805[14:58:50] <tsukuyomi> if so I'll just remove it
1806[14:58:54] <NetTerminalGene> keep that in your mind
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1810[14:59:30] <tsukuyomi> assume that happens, I can just uninstall firmware-misc-nonfree and it will be removed?
1811[14:59:39] <NetTerminalGene> yes
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1814[15:00:18] <tsukuyomi> ok great :D
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1833[15:09:37] <juangh> debian 7 without success...can you share with me any guide to build or modificate a debian operative system?
1834[15:10:26] <juangh> i just need a URL where to read
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1845[15:13:14] <juangh> i'm trying some of this distro
1846[15:13:15] <juangh> replaced-url
1847[15:13:34] <juangh> good place where to download the iso
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1854[15:18:27] <juangh> the main problem with any debian that i try now is that it use more space than i have. 1GB as i say before. I need to configurate it...
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1859[15:19:57] <juangh> i check the space while it was in the install process and it is bigger than the avaible space
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1861[15:20:35] <ulopuzit> hi. in debian jessie, debian does not seem to store gpg secret keys in gnupg-agent or anywhere else yet. how can I save them so that I don't need to reenter the passphrase for every encrypted mail/stuff?
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1876[15:28:05] <lelo> guys, to block portmap and dns connections to my server, is it better to use hosts.allow/hosts.deny or iptables?
1877[15:28:09] <juangh> i give a try to porteus, but, without network too
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1881[15:28:39] <jelly> lelo: iptables.
1882[15:28:47] <gpunk> iptables
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1885[15:29:30] <jelly> you might also configure your dns server to only listen on relevant interfaces and not all. Sadly you can't really configure portmap that way in general case.
1886[15:30:01] <gpunk> well, what is your usage of the DNS server ?
1887[15:30:06] <gpunk> local caching ?
1888[15:30:17] <gpunk> disable recusivity already
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1895[15:34:11] <petan> most fragmented 1gb file I have ever seen lol... just rm took 20 hours
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1897[15:34:28] <OS-24519> hi
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1899[15:34:38] <gpunk> mfm harddrive ? lol
1900[15:34:55] <petan> nah that raid1 is doing just fine, I benchmarked it
1901[15:35:02] <gpunk> hi OS-24519
1902[15:35:08] <petan> but this file was 1gb of 1kb fragments all over 2tb drives
1903[15:35:35] <gpunk> wow
1904[15:35:43] <gpunk> still, sounds too much
1905[15:35:53] <petan> sqlite with 1kb pagesize ;)
1906[15:36:08] <gpunk> pfiu :)
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1908[15:36:59] <lelo> jelly, gpunk thanks
1909[15:37:08] <lelo> gpunk: it's mostly dnsmasq
1910[15:37:11] <lelo> for proxmox
1911[15:37:23] <gpunk> wlc :)
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1915[15:38:07] <lelo> gpunk: wlc?
1916[15:38:15] <gpunk> "you are welcome"
1917[15:38:34] <gpunk> we say that after a thank you ...
1918[15:38:54] <lelo> gpunk: so not YAW? :D
1919[15:38:55] <lelo> hehe
1920[15:38:57] <petan> wlc is definitely not a shortcut for "you are welcome", that would be "yaw"
1921[15:39:34] <gpunk> it s " 'welcome" short for welcome , short for you are welcome ...
1922[15:39:38] <lelo> probably just "welcome" without vowels and the m hehe
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1924[15:39:45] <gpunk> voila
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1946[15:47:01] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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1955[15:49:49] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to use systemd-nspawn to get a working test system. I installed a stable debian without any trouble, but I can't find how to forward the (host) port 23 to the (nspawn) port 22. If I just use "-b", internet works but I don't have any redirection (of course), but if I use "-b -n -p 23:22", then I don't even have internet (I think that -n creates a local network, but disabled it from the host
1956[15:49:51] <tobiasBora> machine). What is the best way to forward ports to a nspawn machine?
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2006[16:07:51] <mihi> Is there a documentation for all the debian-installer preseed/boot options available? In particular, I'm searching for the "shared" options mentioned in replaced-url
2007[16:07:52] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2105[16:43:53] <Noldorin> What's the best way to get Python 3.6 on stretch?
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2107[16:44:43] <gpunk> maybe on backport
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2110[16:46:06] <RoyK> doesn't look like 3.6 is in backports - so perhaps third party like this replaced-url
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2112[16:46:56] <ulopuzit> Noldorin: a few days ago I was faced with the same problem, but with python 3.5 on jessie. the solution proposed in the following thread helped me, and I imagine it might help in your case as well as long as you adapt the link from python3.5 for python3.6 :
2113[16:47:07] <ulopuzit> replaced-url
2114[16:47:10] <babilen> Noldorin: replaced-url
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2116[16:47:20] <ulopuzit> or what babilen said (probably better)
2117[16:47:57] <Noldorin> I'm building a Docker image, so ideally not venv...
2118[16:48:06] <babilen> replaced-url
2119[16:48:18] <Noldorin> babilen, I think that's considered deprecated anyway, and the built-in venv with recent Python versions is preferred. :-)
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2121[16:48:40] <babilen> Sure, you can do that too .. brings you back to getting Python though
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2123[16:49:00] <babilen> And what eactly is deprecated?
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2125[16:49:35] <Noldorin> babilen, the pyvenv package.
2126[16:49:43] <babilen> Who mentioned pyvenv?
2127[16:49:50] <Noldorin> babilen, you did xD
2128[16:49:54] <babilen> I did not
2129[16:49:57] <Noldorin> oh wait, pyenv
2130[16:49:59] <Noldorin> different
2131[16:50:08] <Noldorin> my bad, I misread!
2132[16:50:29] <Noldorin> RoyK, good call. might go with that, ta
2133[16:50:56] <babilen> replaced-url
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2135[16:51:36] <babilen> I really wouldn't install a different System Python, just compile it and make the environment easily accessible (e.g. with pyenv)
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2137[16:51:46] <RoyK> Noldorin: just curious, but why do you need 3.6?
2138[16:52:15] <Noldorin> RoyK, using a package that is py3.6 only
2139[16:52:56] <babilen> Or just start with a suitable Docker container
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2143[16:54:00] <babilen> replaced-url
2144[16:54:07] <babilen> Anyway, good luck
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2146[16:54:14] <Noldorin> need to use a custom Docker container
2147[16:54:15] <Noldorin> but thanks
2148[16:54:26] <RoyK> separating bleeding edge stuff with virtualisation such as docker is a good idea
2149[16:54:44] <RoyK> Noldorin: just use a debian-testing docker image - should do
2150[16:55:07] <Noldorin> RoyK, oh, what's that?
2151[16:55:14] <babilen> Noldorin: Whatever you do, don't just install random packages that'll tinker with the system's Python. There are tools and ways to keep them separate (as mentioned)
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2153[16:55:41] <babilen> Noldorin: It's a Docker image build from Debian testing
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2155[16:55:52] <Noldorin> I don't even know what "Debian testing" is...
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2158[16:56:07] <babilen> It's the testing area for the next Debian release
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2160[16:56:17] <babilen> I wouldn't necessarily run production on it
2161[16:56:47] <babilen> And seriously, if you just want to ship a Docker Container with Python 3.6 there are better candidates
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2164[16:57:19] <Noldorin> babilen, like debian-buster?
2165[16:57:25] <RoyK> !testing
2166[16:57:26] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
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2169[16:58:48] <tobiasBora> fs
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2171[16:59:33] <babilen> Noldorin: Did you read replaced-url
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2175[16:59:53] <Noldorin> babilen, that links to the Docker hub homepage for me
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2178[17:00:53] <babilen> Might be cookie settings, either way .. Look at the official Python Docker containers
2179[17:01:07] <eTarap> good day
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2182[17:01:25] <Noldorin> babilen, yeah... I can't base mine off those. I need Debian containers anyway. (I presume they aren't)
2183[17:01:35] <babilen> Why do you presume that?
2184[17:01:43] <babilen> Please, take a look at those images
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2189[17:02:41] <babilen> But I don't have much to add .. read up on the official Docker Containers as a starting point and pyenv
2190[17:03:19] <Noldorin> babilen, regardless, I can't base mine off those
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2192[17:03:43] <babilen> BUT YOU CAN STILL TAKE A LOOK AT THEM
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2195[17:04:10] <Noldorin> babilen, and I have! thank you
2196[17:04:23] <Noldorin> and yes, they are Debian based. :)
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2199[17:05:51] <babilen> So, follow those instructions and/or look into pyenv or figure something out yourself
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2214[17:09:06] <Noldorin> babilen, Will do. Ta
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2227[17:14:27] <eTarap> just for talking... I read the licence of the bottle&spiral logo...
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2229[17:15:59] <eTarap> as a user since before 2000... that makes me eager to have one :] bur I do not find shops which have some;;;
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2232[17:16:47] <eTarap> ... (sorry I have strange bindings on this laptop)
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2234[17:17:12] <d9867eb> hi
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2237[17:18:51] <eTarap> I think I will make one myself... I see that if I was a Debian developer that would be legal :)
2238[17:20:08] <d9867eb> I asked this here earlier but my internet connection died and i couldnt see if someone replied
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2240[17:21:16] <d9867eb> I want a tool for monitoring my internet and what machine connects to. what should i go with?
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2242[17:22:46] <petn-randall> d9867eb: It really depends on how detailled you want that report to be, and how you want it to be summarized.
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2244[17:23:38] <babilen> Also depends on what "my internet" refers to :)
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2249[17:26:05] <d9867eb> petn-randall: I want it to be command-line, no web-interface should be required.
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2252[17:27:23] <iodev> replaced-url
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2258[17:29:16] <d9867eb> babilen: One thing I had like is to see all the IP addresses I am sending data to currently.
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2284[17:39:17] <tsukuyomi> after running $ --replace compiz, how can I get back back to my usual window manager?
2285[17:39:30] <tsukuyomi> (I'm using gnome)
2286[17:39:57] <jelly> log off and back on?
2287[17:40:10] <jelly> was it compiz --replace, perhaps?
2288[17:41:03] <tsukuyomi> yeah my bad
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2291[17:41:29] <tsukuyomi> jelly, logging off and back on doesn't seem to work
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2295[17:44:36] <monkeyhors> I Broke Debian, by installing libdvdcss (from videolan)
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2298[17:45:09] <petn-randall> monkeyhors: How did your system break?
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2300[17:45:22] <monkeyhors> after i had ripped the dvd and watched that stuff
2301[17:45:29] <monkeyhors> my browsers doesn't start
2302[17:45:32] <monkeyhors> unless i use
2303[17:45:38] <monkeyhors> chromium --disable-gpu
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2308[17:47:00] <monkeyhors> replaced-url
2309[17:47:06] <monkeyhors> normal start
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2312[17:47:56] <monkeyhors> i uninstalled libdvdcss :[
2313[17:48:02] <petn-randall> Unless you installed a bunch of other things, too, I can't really imagine how libdvdcss breaks other GUI applications.
2314[17:48:09] <d9867eb> petn-randall: what network monitor should I use?
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2317[17:48:51] <jelly> d9867eb: which works best for you
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2319[17:49:06] <jelly> whichever*
2320[17:49:13] <petn-randall> d9867eb: You can use 'ss' or 'netstat' to see which current connections are open. Or use iptables' log function to log any outgoing connections, for example.
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2328[17:52:07] <d9867eb> petn-randall: can i get contious connections withs ss?
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2330[17:54:02] <Fuego> Hiya, does anyone remember the default max tcp buffer size on debian?
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2342[18:02:44] <punctuatin> is there a way to find out like a cmd to get the info? some1 might do it 4 u
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2348[18:03:19] <r3> Fuego: if I do 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem' I get 4096 87380 6291456
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2350[18:04:01] <r3> where the three values are minimum window, default window and maximum window respectively
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2352[18:04:54] <hk238> hm I was thinking about installing debian, but the computer I'm installing it to has a Wireless internet connection and there's a bug with the Asus USB N10 Nano adapter such that the connection keeps dropping
2353[18:05:11] <hk238> which then causes install to fail as the connection drops, is there any fix to that? :o
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2355[18:06:26] <CrtxReavr> I have a debian host with an incorrect default router set in /etc/network/interfaces. I've corrected it, but what's the best way to make it take effect without a reboot?
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2357[18:07:19] <colo-work> CrtxReavr, I don't know if it's the "best" way, but the following should work in a screen session: ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface>
2358[18:07:19] <mr__tea> services networking reload ?
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2360[18:07:31] <Fuego> r3: thanks a bunch - mine are tweaked and now i'm writing up I couldnt remember the base line.
2361[18:07:36] <mtn> hk238: in that situation I use a supported usb wifi dongle
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2363[18:08:05] <Fuego> hk238: You can always do what I did and cable the whole place.
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2365[18:08:34] <hk238> 'cable the whole place' what does that mean exactly?
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2367[18:08:45] <r3> Fuego: I'm not sure that it is a 'fixed' value as the OS may alter it depending upon the characteristics of the connection, but they may be 'sane' values if you've got some different ones in there...
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2370[18:09:27] <Fuego> r3: I just need some default ones - I showed how to get a 9x perf improvement in git by tweaking a bunch of parameters
2371[18:09:46] <Fuego> Even if it auto adjusts (which it does - it still has default max values)
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2374[18:11:07] <r3> Fuego: MTU might make more of a difference, depending on how you're connecting - I've never tweaked those values, so I cannot comment. I do know that having the correct MTU makes a world of difference
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2377[18:11:29] <Fuego> r3: I got git from taking ~1800 sec to do a commit down to ~180 sec
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2379[18:12:11] <Fuego> Using LFS, window sizing, tcp buffer sizing, tcp window tweaks and some other secret sauce
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2391[18:17:32] <r3> there have been too many years between now and when I was involved with networking on this level, some of which never left the CCIE / CCNP course labs. An interesting finding, Fuego, but I wonder what the tradeoffs are to other applications ;)
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2395[18:18:17] <r3> what is said about not using it, thus losing it are very true :\
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2398[18:20:01] <jelly> Fuego: if you see large latencies between client and server, and the protocol is chatty, such gains are not impossible. I've seen cifs/samba have horrible performance by default as well. What's LFS?
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2401[18:20:19] <Fuego> r3: well for most of us our source control server only have one thing running on it - so if it affects other applications it doesnt really matter. One of the problems we had was the way we were able to literally kill git because of the amount of large binaries and files we commit - In a 3day gamejam we made almost 1000 commits totally 210GB.
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2406[18:21:35] <d9867eb> q
2407[18:21:58] <d9867eb> oops i intended to do /quit
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2409[18:22:10] <Fuego> jelly: LFS = large file system - its an extension of git
2410[18:22:46] <Fuego> One of the reasons itis still so far behind is up till very recently it had to open/destroy a socket per file
2411[18:23:12] <Fuego> One of the tweaks some friends set pull req for is a way to use filestream io to massively improve speed.
2412[18:23:16] <Fuego> But its a very hard problem
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2424[18:28:34] <r3> yeah I need to look into tweaking CIFS as there is a noticable performace hit on the connecting systems. The NAS that the CIFS is talking to is not the bottleneck as it has multiple NICs in a LAG on the switch, so it must be the client performance. jelly, is there a source for some simple CIFS tweaks that comes to your mind?
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2431[18:30:45] <r3> ...and I seem to recall installing multiple NICs in a source control server as well, that certainly helped - but it has been many years, as I said
2432[18:30:59] <Fuego> I can give you a better trick for CIFS
2433[18:31:00] <Fuego> dont use it
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2437[18:33:21] <Fuego> Or do you mean SMB2?
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2442[18:34:57] <r3> SMB2 IIRC, and I've been meaning to configure NFS on it, that would help I think
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2444[18:35:43] <r3> SMB3 now that I've looked
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2456[18:40:11] <jelly> r3: multiple NICs don't matter if each tcp flow can only use one
2457[18:40:11] <jhutchin1_wk> r3: I seem to recall that logging has a heavy load on Samba.
2458[18:41:08] <jelly> MS has done some multi-flow things in their recent releases, I have no idea if samba supports that stuff yet
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2469[18:45:38] <r3> jelly: that's true, and IIRC it helped the server handle the bottleneck of too many clients, thus many different tcp connections from different sources. It was better than a 3x return so multiple NICs became the standard for servers in the NOCs from that point forward... management... even if - like you said - it wouldn't help in certain situations - it was viewed as a 'cure all'
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2471[18:46:36] <Fuego> jelly: tbh I just use a dual 10GbE on my main server, configured as bonded with ability to drop to a single to a second single 10GbE nic in the case of a failure
2472[18:46:47] <Fuego> as 10GbE is frankly fast enough
2473[18:47:22] <Fuego> If you have good quality 10GbE NICs, switches and cables you can achieve 7GB/sec of network bandwidth easily
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2477[18:47:55] <Fuego> and unless you have NVME SSD raid disk performance is much more likely to be a bottleneck than 2* 7GB/sec bandwidth
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2483[18:50:49] <jelly> Fuego: 7GB/s = 56Gbps or just a typo?
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2492[18:55:05] <tsukinome> will compiz run fine on debian 9?
2493[18:55:10] <tsukinome> with gnome 3?
2494[18:55:19] <Fuego> jelly: typo 7Gbps
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2497[18:55:37] <Fuego> Ive been doing 100GBit SAN stuff all day
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2499[18:55:41] <Fuego> bit brain frazzled
2500[18:56:07] <Fuego> never got why for networking we use Gbps and for everyone else we use MiBs or MB/sec
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2572[19:20:15] <password4> why in debian dose my middle mouse do nothing?
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2582[19:24:06] <NetTerminalGene> password4, your mouse must be not supported well
2583[19:24:27] <NetTerminalGene> my middle mouse works well
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2592[19:27:51] <password4> its a standard mouse
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2600[19:30:43] <password4> where is the efault locationof org.onf?
2601[19:30:49] <password4> xorg.conf?
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2610[19:37:50] <Tarrasquero> password4: /etc/X11
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2614[19:40:22] <password4> hmm , there is that nothing
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2619[19:41:08] <Tarrasquero> crealo
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2621[19:41:10] <password4> such grammer
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2651[19:52:03] <frazr> Anyone know of a cheap data recovery/forensics software ? sort of ease-of-use like EaseUS or Recuva ?
2652[19:52:10] <frazr> or photorec
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2657[19:53:04] <Mathisen> testdisk / ddrescue
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2659[19:53:20] <frazr> testdisk is photorec ?
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2661[19:54:25] <frazr> haven't tried ddrescue though
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2663[19:54:59] <Voldenet> frazr: what are you trying to do?
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2665[19:55:18] <frazr> Recover files lost from ages ago, checking if there's still some traces of them on the drives
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2671[19:56:36] <frazr> disk has been mostly idle and not used, perhaps a few formats has occured since
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2673[19:56:53] <frazr> but should be able to dig up some files if im lucky
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2677[19:59:04] <RoyK> frazr: start with ddrescue, then, when you have an image, either mount that if that's possible or run photorec
2678[19:59:37] <frazr> the disks are fine
2679[19:59:44] <frazr> just want to recover old deletes material
2680[19:59:47] <RoyK> frazr: in my experience, if you can read from the drive, even very slowly, a week or three with ddrescue should be able to produce a good result without the need for photorec
2681[20:00:04] <frazr> oh
2682[20:00:08] <RoyK> you need photorec to recover deleted files, though
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2686[20:00:23] <frazr> yeah thats what i though
2687[20:00:25] <frazr> thought*
2688[20:00:27] <RoyK> anyway - starting with a ddrescue generally won't hurt
2689[20:01:50] <frazr> i'll do that thanks for the info RoyK
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2701[20:05:56] <RoyK> frazr: the main reason for an initial ddrescue is to make sure you don't write to the disk at all before starting recovery - preferably place it on redundant storage (like everyhing else)
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2718[20:12:10] <lowin> Hello. Is it possible to use a dvd iso image file as a mirror input for debootstrap?
2719[20:12:49] <lowin> I kind of want to avoid redownloading what I already have
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2724[20:15:17] <lowin> ah, giving it the root directory of the mounted image worked. sorry for asking
2725[20:16:11] <Monstrous_Idiot> I just put Deb 9.3 on my Dell Latitude E6430 laptop. When I come back from suspend or lid shutting, or from screensaver / idle blanking, the screen stays backlit but blank. I successfully turned off all idle blanking with xset / mate-screensaver-command, but I still can't return from suspends. What should I do? Am I missing drivers or something?
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2736[20:23:51] <simpledat> host -t soa local. <- What is this command doing?
2737[20:24:52] <preaction> looking up the SOA record for the TLD "local"
2738[20:25:03] <preaction> Start of Authority is "who controls this name?"
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2740[20:25:19] <preaction> the #dns channel might know more about the DNS aspects of this
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2743[20:27:19] <simpledat> preaction: What does it mean for me? I saw the command run as root. But I have not run any command
2744[20:27:34] <preaction> saw the command how?
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2766[20:40:36] <simpledat> preaction: ps x
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2772[20:43:11] <a228> i've already asked you this but i crashed and didn't read the anserw
2773[20:43:36] <a228> there' a strange black square showing up in the picture when i take screenshot
2774[20:44:10] <a228> this started when i installed another monitor
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2811[21:00:00] <a228> anyone?
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2822[21:04:44] <tofaaa> Hey guys :)
2823[21:04:51] <tofaaa> I got a debian pc where i struggle a bit
2824[21:05:03] <tofaaa> under ifup enp30s0 i get ip 10.0.0.10 (confirmed in router)
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2826[21:05:10] <tofaaa> i can ping 8.8.8.8 but i cant ping the router
2827[21:05:20] <tofaaa> the router cant ping back to 10.0.0.10
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2829[21:06:10] <tofaaa> Anyone have a tip on how to solve this? Where to start? :)
2830[21:06:49] <Voldenet> uh, maybe check the firewall (iptables -nL)
2831[21:07:25] <tofaaa> all 3 is "accept"
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2834[21:07:37] <tofaaa> input, output and fprward
2835[21:07:40] <tofaaa> forward*
2836[21:07:51] <tofaaa> its worth mention that this is a VM server, the VM's works prefectly
2837[21:07:58] <tofaaa> ip 10.0.0.11 is working, i can ping the local VM also
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2840[21:08:35] <tofaaa> on "ip A" i get lots of "macvtap@enp30s0" wich all got working ip's which i can ping from an remote pc
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2842[21:09:19] <tofaaa> Also worth mention: this happend after i changed from "dynamic" on my router to "static"
2843[21:09:34] <tofaaa> the previous ip was 10.0.0.152 now it changed to 10 in the router and it .. was unreachable
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2846[21:10:50] <Voldenet> hm, the layout of your network isn't entirely clear from your description
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2848[21:11:23] <greenbagels> Hm
2849[21:11:28] <tofaaa> No sorry i am not a perfect network man. Trying my best :P hehe. But dhcpclient -v -r enp30s0
2850[21:11:38] <tofaaa> gives a release and renew which gets ip 10.0.0.10
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2853[21:11:52] <greenbagels> This is interesting, ever since I put in a different GPU in my pc, Debian has been wonky af
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2856[21:12:40] <Voldenet> tofaaa: which of them networks is WAN and which is LAN, is your router also your dhcp server in your lan?
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2859[21:13:26] <tofaaa> Voldenet: Yes, my router is a EdgeRouter which delivers ip from 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.120
2860[21:13:46] <tofaaa> My Debian is connected with enp30s0 (not eth0 somehow..wierd naming)
2861[21:13:54] <tofaaa> Debian got ip 10.0.0.10 from router
2862[21:14:03] <tofaaa> Debian can ping 8.8.8.8
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2865[21:14:11] <tofaaa> Debian cant ping 10.0.0.1 (router).
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2867[21:14:22] <tofaaa> And router (ssh'd) cant ping 10.0.0.10. :P
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2871[21:15:43] <eatme> whois
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2873[21:16:35] <tofaaa> Debian can also ping domains
2874[21:16:37] <tofaaa> tested now
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2876[21:17:22] <eatme> can any1 confirm my usermode works ? try whois eatme
2877[21:17:25] <eatme> pppppplease
2878[21:17:42] <eatme> and just yes or no is my ip masked ?
2879[21:17:51] <tofaaa> ip is masked with alltele.net
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2882[21:18:15] <tofaaa> but .. still possible to backtrack since its a customer domain for alltele
2883[21:18:23] <eatme> ok shit doesnt work... some say i can mask my ip so it wont be visible to other users just me and OPs
2884[21:18:31] <eatme> any1 knows how?
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2887[21:19:17] <tofaaa> eatme: The easiest way to hide your IP from other Freenode users is to use a cloak. To get one, register with NickServ and ask for one in the #freenode channel, as described in the FAQ.
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2889[21:20:00] <eatme> ok but some1 says usermode +x will hide mask it with hex chars
2890[21:20:10] <tofaaa> Maybe on other network, not on freenode
2891[21:20:37] <eatme> k sucks cus i found a a way to script it in mircs script editor
2892[21:20:43] <eatme> but then i need to register
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2894[21:20:57] <eatme> so thats not what i want. wanna be hidden from beginning
2895[21:21:06] <eatme> exept for OPs
2896[21:21:07] <tofaaa> Why?
2897[21:21:14] <tofaaa> Nobody cares bout your ip :)=
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2899[21:21:25] <eatme> just so noone will ping/scan me on other networks
2900[21:21:32] <tofaaa> they wont care
2901[21:21:33] <eatme> got a virus problem, sort of
2902[21:21:39] <tofaaa> install antivirus
2903[21:21:47] <tofaaa> if you have an firewall on your router, no problem
2904[21:21:51] <tofaaa> nobody cares :P
2905[21:21:52] <eatme> haha thanks but it seems to be more sofisticated
2906[21:22:04] <eatme> yeah but my router is old but working great
2907[21:22:09] <tofaaa> Think you are talking about paranoia ;)
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2909[21:22:23] <tofaaa> not a virus, just an state of mind
2910[21:22:31] <eatme> and some networks there are guys that thinks stuff like this is funny
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2912[21:22:56] <tofaaa> You must be asking them to somehow
2913[21:22:57] <eatme> ok but scans to i dont like
2914[21:23:04] <Voldenet> tofaaa: hm, can you access the ssh of your router with your debian?\
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2917[21:23:15] <tofaaa> If you got a firewall on your router they wont find shit ;)
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2919[21:23:22] <tofaaa> Voldenet: Nope, its like its not even there
2920[21:23:37] <eatme> no i got a fiber "modem" with no access to it just a dumb hub
2921[21:23:47] <eatme> i guess or if im lucky a switch
2922[21:23:47] <Voldenet> tofaaa: check the arp -a and ip route show to match 10.0.0.1
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2924[21:23:57] <tofaaa> Enable firewall on your computer then eatme :)
2925[21:23:59] <Voldenet> to see if it even thinks if they're the same network
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2928[21:24:27] <eatme> have it done but the other devices then? tv, stereo/av, phone,
2929[21:24:30] <eatme> ?? :)
2930[21:24:36] <tofaaa> Voldenet: Get ? (10.0.0.1) at (incomplete) on macvtap4
2931[21:24:44] <tofaaa> Voldenet: Get ? (10.0.0.10) at (incomplete) on macvtap4
2932[21:24:48] <tofaaa> why is it on amcvtap..
2933[21:24:53] <tofaaa> should be on enp30s0
2934[21:25:31] <eatme> ok but it wont get through the router behind it, even if its old and a crappy ids/firewall
2935[21:25:39] <eatme> so it can be good to mask it
2936[21:26:09] <eatme> any other ideas to hide it? exept cloak with reg
2937[21:26:12] <tofaaa> vpn
2938[21:26:15] <tofaaa> tor browser
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2940[21:26:53] <tofaaa> Voldenet: I get that message on all ip (1,10,230,43) then i get ?(10.0.0.230) at <mac address> [ether] on enp30s0 and on 10.0.0.1
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2943[21:27:17] <eatme> yeah vpn sounds great
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2946[21:28:10] <halt> Hi folks , I just tried to find out the status of the kernel live patching in debian, but I barely found anything about it which tells me that it's not just not available but not even planed, just wondering what I'm missing ..
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2951[21:31:27] <Voldenet> tofaaa: I'm not sure what macvtap4 does, but maybe see `ip route list` command
2952[21:32:11] <tofaaa> Voldenet: i have a lot of virtual machinens (KVM) so macvtap is taps for network
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2954[21:32:34] <tofaaa> that command gave a lot of data plus 10.0.0.0/24 dev enp0s0 proto kernel scope lin src 10.0.0.10
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2959[21:36:09] <Voldenet> hm, `ip route show to match 10.0.0.1` maybe, but you might want to consult an actual networking expert :D
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2967[21:40:56] <greenbagels> ok this is weird
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2969[21:41:15] <greenbagels> using a different gpu than before, i startx, which execs i3
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2971[21:41:27] <greenbagels> i3 starts, shows my wallpaper, but my status bar and any windows don't pop up
2972[21:41:38] <greenbagels> but my cursor actually changes if i ghost in the keys for opening a terminal or web browser
2973[21:41:46] <greenbagels> and htop says that they actually do launch
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2976[21:42:02] <greenbagels> and if i press the hotkey to open up the exit i3 prompt, and click where i think the exit button is
2977[21:42:05] <greenbagels> it actually quits
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2980[21:43:01] <greenbagels> fixed it; was my compositor
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2989[21:50:28] <mnuhmnuh> .champaign greenbagels
2990[21:50:43] <mnuhmnuh> .champagn greenbagels
2991[21:50:51] * mnuhmnuh meh.
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2995[21:52:10] <greenbagels> .champagne mnuhmnuh
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2997[21:52:40] <somiaj> judd doesn't do stuff like that, dpkg might have a few factoids to that affect, but ono need to add the noise. (:
2998[21:52:49] <somiaj> oh wait, I guess judd is a , character, not a .
2999[21:52:52] <somiaj> anyways
3000[21:52:53] <somiaj> !next
3001[21:52:53] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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3022[22:03:00] <Guest10614> Hi! Latest kernel is causing problems. I can select older kernel in GRUB menu. How can I make this change permanent?
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3025[22:03:42] <somiaj> Guest10614: what version of debian are you running?
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3027[22:04:02] <Guest10614> somiaj, debian 9 with latest updates
3028[22:04:04] <somiaj> the older kernel you ahve in grub is probably quite old, you may want to get the more recent previous version that worked from snapshot.debian.org
3029[22:04:05] <n4dir> Guest10614: /etc/default/grub ; then update-grub
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3031[22:04:21] <somiaj> you may also have the older kernel in /var/cache/apt/archives
3032[22:04:38] <somiaj> then you should look for a regression bug on the BTS (or I think some have been filed) and follow the bug, debian will try to fix this regression
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3037[22:06:43] <Guest10614> somiaj, older kernels version is 4.0.9.3, and latest version is 4.0.9.4
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3039[22:07:34] <Guest10614> just checked /var/cache/apt/archives to be sure
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3041[22:07:48] <Guest10614> yes there is already a bug report for my problems
3042[22:08:09] <Guest10614> I want to use the older one until it is fixed
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3046[22:08:33] <somiaj> Guest10614: there are kernels between 4.0.9-3 and 4.0.9-4, you can find a more recent kernel on snapshot.debian.org
3047[22:08:59] <somiaj> the -3 to -4 was a abi change, rarely does this happen, within the 4.9.0-4 kernels, there ahve been 3-4 revesions
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3049[22:09:25] <n4dir> Guest10614: like already said, you will have to edit /etc/default/grub
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3055[22:11:44] <Guest10614> n4dir, thanks. first I must figure out what change I should make there.
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3059[22:12:44] <n4dir> this might help, assuming i recall correct: replaced-url
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3062[22:13:28] <SuperTramp83> Guest10614: the first one is 0, the second one is 1 and so on..
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3064[22:13:54] <jhutchin1_wk> !pinning
3065[22:13:54] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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3068[22:14:15] <Guest10614> thanks SuperTramp83 , n4dir
3069[22:14:45] <n4dir> SuperTramp83: older kernels being in the submenu might make it different. Once somone asked here, the link was given, i for one never had to deal with it.
3070[22:15:20] <SuperTramp83> I see. Good to know.
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3073[22:15:43] <n4dir> yeah, i was pretty astonished when i ran into it. Probably that's why i remember it at all :-)
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3078[22:18:40] <Guest10614> it seems I should use 2>0 for the submenu entry. I will try and let you know shortly
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3085[22:20:15] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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3087[22:20:49] <Tarrasquero> o/
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3091[22:21:55] <tobiasBora> I don't know why, but using something like "sudo systemd-nspawn -b -D debian_master -n -p 23:22" I finally managed to get a working internet on my container. I can also ssh it when I specify the good ip address from the host, however when I do "ssh root@localhost -p 23", it fails... Do you know why the "-p 22:23" param is not taken into account?
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3103[22:27:39] <Guest82392> n4dir, SuperTramp83 : relevant GRUB entry should be GRUB_DEFAULT="1>2" in my configuration. thanks again.
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3105[22:29:01] <somiaj> Guest82392: again I would use a mroe recent kernel, just so you don't have as many security vulns.
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3107[22:29:12] <SuperTramp83> Guest82392: anytime. Good it worked.
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3117[22:33:45] <Guest82392> somiaj, I checked snapshots.debian.org but it seems it is unavailable at the moment. thanks for the advice. I will look at it again to get a more recent one. security is important.
3118[22:33:51] <n4dir> cool, cool.
3119[22:34:17] <somiaj> also folow the regression bug issue, or add to it, they usually fix them some what quickly (regression bugs) if they can identify what caused it
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3127[22:36:33] <ppsxs> can anyone tell me did unity in debian progresively eats ram?
3128[22:36:33] <Guest82392> it is marked as "critical" so I hope they will fix it soon
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3130[22:36:55] <somiaj> ppsxs: unity in debian? I didn't think debian had unity.
3131[22:37:04] <ppsxs> oh my bad
3132[22:37:32] <somiaj> if your desktop is eating ram, the major culprit is usually the webgrowesr
3133[22:37:45] <JohnA> can I update/upgrade from stretch to buster by moding my apt repositories, doing an apt update and upgrade?
3134[22:38:20] <somiaj> JohnA: yes, but you also get all the bugs that come with buster. Usually suggested you don't run testing unless you really know what you are doing.
3135[22:38:32] <somiaj> and upgade won't work, you'll need a full dist-upgrade
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3140[22:40:12] <tofaaa> uhm anyone know how to fix this error on boot? cant get into debian: replaced-url
3141[22:40:13] <tofaaa> :/
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3144[22:42:34] <somiaj> tofaaa: so follow the instructions to figure out what went wrong and is causing systemd to enter emergency mode
3145[22:42:48] <somiaj> it tells you exactly what to do, login as root, then run 'journalctl -xb'
3146[22:43:19] <somiaj> most likely you have a drive in /etc/fstab that cannot be mounted, and systemd doesn't continue booting if this is the case
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3161[22:54:17] <nikitasius> hi folks. Have a question: 1st server have 2 external IP. And 2 internal IP. 2nd server have only 1 external 1 and 2 internal IP (they are in same local network). How to setup on servers only (debian 8 or i can install 9) when 2nd server send something via his intermal IP it goes via external IPs from 1st server?
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3178[23:00:38] <JohnA> somiaj, thanks. I tried to upgrade, but I it screwed up. what missed is the distinction between upgrade and dist-upgrade.
3179[23:02:42] <JohnA> somiaj, apart from the I like running on the bleeding edge, you get the good stuff early, at the price of some bug reporting.
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3238[23:35:50] <pirving> does buster have watchdog firewall enable by default? If so, how to temp disable it for lan gaming
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3240[23:36:22] <petn-randall> pirving: by default there is no firewall at all.
3241[23:36:44] <pirving> ok cool, I saw a shutdown message that said it was closing.
3242[23:36:49] <pirving> thanks
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3245[23:37:41] <folorn> can anyone help with a rtsdl problem im having
3246[23:38:03] <folorn> ive tried in my home channel but everyone more or less never talks or helps imagine that but i really could use it
3247[23:38:13] <folorn> and its a semi debian issue of sorts
3248[23:38:20] <folorn> here's the vpaste of part of it
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3250[23:39:43] <folorn> replaced-url
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3253[23:40:20] <donofrio-g5> this install slowed way down when I added 'non-free' the did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y the I apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics - now glxgears is good and kodi run's but god is the video slow to render, even just hexchat is slow....how do I fix this slowness?
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3256[23:42:02] <folorn> replaced-url
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3259[23:42:32] <folorn> if anyone of you folks could help ive been stumped on this problem now 5 days and dont have enough knowledge to figure out what im doing wrong.
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3261[23:43:29] <mtn> folorn: what does rtsdl mean?
3262[23:43:51] <folorn> software defined radio
3263[23:43:57] <folorn> is what i mean't to say hehe.
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3265[23:44:01] <mtn> folorn: what distro are you running?
3266[23:44:10] <folorn> kali :(
3267[23:44:20] <mtn> !kali
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3269[23:44:21] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3270[23:44:21] <petn-randall> !kali
3271[23:44:28] <folorn> ive spent 6 hours trying to ask in that channel yesterday and like usual i get nobody who can help muchless ever wants to
3272[23:44:46] <mtn> won't find any help here, since it is not debian
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3274[23:44:57] <folorn> its based and ran off debian ?
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3276[23:45:13] <folorn> apparently you dont know much about it i take it ?
3277[23:45:15] <petn-randall> !based on
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3279[23:45:15] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
3280[23:45:58] <petn-randall> folorn: Not much we can do about it. Best carry on asking in their or picking a distro that has an existing support community.
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3282[23:46:12] <folorn> fuck it
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3284[23:46:22] <mnuhmnuh> folorn: buddy, replaced-url
3285[23:46:24] <mtn> folorn, indeed
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3289[23:47:27] <petn-randall> s/their/there/
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