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14[00:03:46] <npo> i just moved 3 of the .ttf files for a font I like in to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/envy-mode-r, and after doing fc-cache -f -v, gnome-terminal still doesn't recognize them
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17[00:04:00] <npo> is there something else i should be doing to get my system to recognize the fonts?
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19[00:04:24] <npo> envy-code *
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24[00:05:51] <somiaj> npo: you usually shoudln't put files in places like that (leave it for dpkg) man fc-cache or fontconfig, you should have a place in $HOME you can put them like .fonts or .local/fonts or something liek that
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26[00:06:11] <npo> somiaj: alright
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29[00:06:26] <karlpinc> npo: And what fonts are these? (Maybe they are in debian?)
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31[00:07:52] <somiaj> I can't seem to find the local location of fonts that eaisly, so unforutnally no documentation to point you to
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33[00:08:59] <npo> karlpinc: Envy Code R replaced-url
34[00:09:04] <npo> karlpinc: i couldn't find them in debian
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36[00:09:25] <npo> I have the local location of the fonts -- ~/.fonts, and fc-list shows that they are found and recognized after fc-cache -fv
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39[00:09:36] <npo> but the problem is that gnome-terminal isn't recognizing it
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42[00:10:15] <markybob> npo: you might have to log out. not sure how gnome-terminal handles it. don't use gnome.
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44[00:10:30] <npo> im using openbox
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46[00:10:36] <npo> but i happen to like gnome-terminal as a terminal emulator
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57[00:12:45] <npo> got it to work
58[00:13:00] <npo> had to close every instance of gnome-terminal for any gnome-terminal to register the font as valid
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107[00:36:00] <Tex59dk> /msg dpkg guidelines
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175[01:10:49] <Akuw> hi, i have a problem with my mail account, everytime i use it i get hundred of spam mails from my own email address
176[01:11:03] <Akuw> so i have to remove from my server
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190[01:17:24] <hermande> Does anybody know the difference for a remote and satellite on icinga?
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202[01:20:21] <holms> not a related question to debian.. more to ansible but still.. maybe it's because /bin/sh is used.. "ps aux" doesn't work replaced-url
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211[01:25:30] <Brigo> holms, try /bin/ps aux
212[01:25:39] <hermande> holms, You should use the shell module in ansible.
213[01:26:15] <hermande> holms, -m shell
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246[01:44:45] <jadew> look what I found: replaced-url
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266[01:54:31] <miesco> How would one disable mpd on startup (in /etc/initd)?
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279[01:59:38] <teraflops> miesco: update-rc.d
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282[01:59:58] <miesco> teraflops: I tried `update-rc.d mpd disable` but it said it was deprecated.
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284[03:00:44] <teraflops> miesco: I do a custom systemd-service for mpd but if i remember well it uses a sysvinit script by default
285[03:01:40] <teraflops> miesco: then tried `sudo systemctl-disable mpd` ?
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287[03:02:14] <teraflops> I guess it has to work
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289[03:02:51] <miesco> teraflops: I think it will work, but I am wondering what the new and improved way is. Is it `systemctl-disable mpd`?
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291[03:04:02] <teraflops> it woks even for the stuff that is in /etc/init.d and has no systemd unit file, so I guess it's ok
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397[03:53:03] <LinuxGuy2020> Can installing things from debian backports repository introduce instability? I reinstalled without deb-multimedia cause I was sure some of the gnome 3 bugs I see came from there cause I know how stable the base system is.But Im still seeing the same few bugs but I have backports in my sources and if they are not considered as stable as the official repos then I will reinstall without those as well.
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400[03:54:38] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: reinstalling probably isn't necessary. backports aren't as tested as stuff in the main repos, and are not covered by the security team. it's recommended to only take what you need from backports, not to use everything in it
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402[03:56:01] <LinuxGuy2020> ok thank you
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410[03:59:11] <Igel> hello, when i do a simulated dist-upgrade with apt-get.. it gives me: 80 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 259 to remove and 9 not upgraded.
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413[04:00:12] <jmcnaught> !bat
414[04:00:12] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
415[04:00:24] <jmcnaught> Igel: can you do the above please?
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418[04:01:00] <Igel> thanks ok
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435[04:07:36] <hermande> anybody up on icinga?
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443[04:08:48] <Micky> Hey I'm trying to build a kernel with grsecurity. When I run "patch -p1 < ../grsecurity-3.1-4.4.6-201603221748.patch" is an output like this normal? replaced-url
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447[04:10:03] <miesco> Something weird is happening. When I enter a new tmux window, $? is not 0. When I type enter, $? is still not 0. If I type a command, it is 0, then after that, just enter has $? set to 0 after...
448[04:10:23] <miesco> I didn't even change anything in my .bashrc that would effect this...
449[04:12:00] <Igel> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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451[04:12:27] <Igel> i was over the limit with individiual policy pkg1, and pkg2, and the commands used.. and etc.. i think may be this would help?
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453[04:12:59] <jmcnaught> Igel: maybe not crucial, but the command you're using and the output always helps
454[04:13:06] <markybob> Igel: oh so you have a frankendebian. that makes sense
455[04:13:17] <Igel> i know i did 1 thing...
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458[04:13:23] <jmcnaught> Igel: it looks like you've got a mix of jessie and stretch though, so that's bound ot cause problems
459[04:13:25] <Igel> or two or three..
460[04:13:37] <Igel> i thought i weighted it
461[04:13:37] <markybob> !tell igel about frankendebian
462[04:13:53] <jmcnaught> Igel: the way apt works it doesn't know that you only want one or two things from the stretch/testing repos. the two are not meant to be mixed
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464[04:14:12] <Igel> and i have to specifically choose a different version for my video driver, i get sid for intel-xorg
465[04:14:34] <jmcnaught> Igel: if you want newer versions of some packages on a stable system, the correct place to get them is replaced-url
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467[04:15:01] <Igel> i followed this: replaced-url
468[04:15:06] <Igel> (i even bookmarked it)...
469[04:15:10] <markybob> Igel: you've broken it beyond support, to be honest.
470[04:15:27] <Igel> im not sure thats the case.. debian is quite resilient..
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472[04:15:41] <jmcnaught> Igel: apt will always try to use the newest version of a package. if you have jessie, stretch, unstable all listed, it will pick the version from unstable. pinning is something people try to use to work around this, but that's not really recommended either
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474[04:15:46] <Igel> ive already done at least a dozen dist-upgrades since doing this, something occured upstream
475[04:15:57] <somiaj> there are backports for the intel drivers for jessie, I think the backports can support skylake
476[04:16:07] <miesco> How could I debug this $? being non-zero when I hit enter?
477[04:16:20] <Igel> how is that true, the website says it will ignore all of them unless expressly told otherwise
478[04:16:34] <jmcnaught> Igel: your paste of "apt-cache policy" doesn't show any pinned packages, and anyways that blog/how-to is just plain bad advice
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480[04:17:09] <jmcnaught> Igel: if you've done a bunch of dist-upgrades then you are using unstable, which breaks sometimes
481[04:17:11] <somiaj> espically since the version being talked about is in backports
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483[04:18:25] <Igel> dist-upgrade just goes to the latest every time?
484[04:18:33] <Igel> i dont know why pinning is missing either..
485[04:18:39] <Igel> but the files and everything is there
486[04:19:00] <Igel> and the xorg support of opengl has been great..
487[04:19:06] <Igel> *sigh*
488[04:19:09] <jmcnaught> Igel: pinning isn't a very good idea with stable anyways. the best way to do it is to use stable + backports (only a few, not all backports)
489[04:19:19] <Igel> i believe you...
490[04:20:08] <jmcnaught> unfortunately there's a lot of crappy advice out there on blogs and forums, instructions from people who don't know what they're talking about, or only manage to get it to work at first but don't consider consequences down the line
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492[04:20:19] <Igel> i hate blogs/forums, yes..
493[04:20:47] <Igel> somiaj: aah ok
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495[04:21:23] <Igel> so i should remove the testing repo..
496[04:21:34] <Igel> and add backports,
497[04:21:54] <Igel> hmm, i knew the risks..
498[04:22:05] <jmcnaught> Igel: it's too late for that. you're on a stretch system now. if you want to use stable/jessie you need to reinstall
499[04:22:17] <Igel> the tearing of the screen was not acceptible.. the 3d cube in KDE is acceptible heh..
500[04:22:26] <Igel> yeahp..
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503[04:22:57] <Igel> so ok
504[04:23:10] <Igel> no worries, debian is the most stable OS i've ever run
505[04:23:23] <Igel> last question before i run off
506[04:23:37] <Igel> aah.. oh and thanks for the help
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509[04:23:55] <acidchild> ?
510[04:24:15] <Igel> oh
511[04:24:18] <Igel> yes
512[04:24:26] <Igel> why would dist-uprade want to -remove- all those packages?
513[04:24:38] <Igel> while just a apt-get upgrade, will upgrade them..
514[04:25:24] <jmcnaught> Igel: check the man page for apt-get. "upgrade" will upgrade packages that don't require other packages to be installed or removed. "dist-upgrade" handles upgrades for packages with changed dependencies that need to install/remove other packages
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516[04:25:59] <Igel> so Ok
517[04:26:07] <Igel> may be libc changed?
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520[04:26:50] <jmcnaught> Igel: maybe? i didn't see the output of your dist-upgrade command, and i don't stay current with stretch... i just tinker with an unstable VM every once in a whlie
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522[04:27:31] <Igel> aye
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528[04:29:08] <Igel> i think thats it
529[04:29:09] <Igel> Inst libc6-i386 [2.19-18+deb8u3] (2.22-3 httpredir.debian.org [amd64])
530[04:29:12] <somiaj> Igel: yes, libc6 in testing/unstable had a major transition shortly after the release of jessie. Lots of ABIs changed
531[04:29:16] <Igel> yep
532[04:29:30] <somiaj> It was part of the gcc-5 transition
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535[04:29:56] <Igel> well, hey
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538[04:30:27] <Igel> again, debian 8 on x1 carbon .. best laptop / workhorse i've ever had
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541[04:31:15] <Igel> i highly recomend getting one, it supports 2k screen, and i guess the opengl support is now in backports ..
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546[04:32:28] <Igel> thanks for your time #debian
547[04:32:38] * Igel wanders off looking for double size ssd for a reinstall + upgrade
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575[04:42:06] <markybob> Igel: +upgrade? so you're not going to use stable?
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647[05:08:49] <semitones> Hello, I'm trying to install pulseaudio so I can stream all sounds to my rpi. However, when I install pulseaudio, I don't see /etc/default/pulseaudio which has the setting to start it on boot. Is there a reason it's not getting that config file?
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649[05:09:34] <AlexPortable> I editted the iso file, but now debian installed can't find /install.amd/vmlinuz
650[05:09:34] <somiaj> systemd doesn't really use those files, maybe it is no longer used in jessie
651[05:09:40] <AlexPortable> did I do something wrong?
652[05:10:11] <somiaj> AlexPortable: you need to be careful, debian .iso files contain a lot of additional info like boot info, editing the iso can easily destory the ability for the iso to boot
653[05:10:17] <somiaj> AlexPortable: what are you trying to achive?
654[05:10:23] <AlexPortable> adding preseed to it
655[05:10:42] <somiaj> is this on a usb drive?
656[05:10:50] <AlexPortable> its on iso
657[05:11:09] <somiaj> I mean do you put the iso on a usbdrive to install from or doing a netboot?
658[05:11:17] <AlexPortable> i load the iso in virtualbox
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660[05:11:34] <somiaj> I am unsure the proper way to make a preseed available, but I don't think you do it by editing the iso. One second
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669[05:14:55] <somiaj> AlexPortable: replaced-url
670[05:14:59] <somiaj> AlexPortable: did you follow that info?
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672[05:15:04] <AlexPortable> nope im on windows
673[05:15:06] <AlexPortable> can't put those commands
674[05:15:35] <markybob> AlexPortable: you said you were using virtualbox. make a linux virtualbox then do them
675[05:15:49] <AlexPortable> you mean in virtualbox mount the image
676[05:16:04] <somiaj> AlexPortable: you may have to do a manual install to get to a place you have the tools to properly put the preseed in the iso
677[05:16:17] <somiaj> AlexPortable: or you will have to make the preseed available as a file on anohter vitual disk
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681[05:17:12] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
682[05:17:14] <AlexPortable> I tried this now
683[05:17:17] <AlexPortable> but to no avail
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689[05:18:47] <markybob> !win32diskimager
690[05:18:47] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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694[05:19:36] <somiaj> that probably wont' help this case, but debian iso's are very complciated (they support usb and cd boot, along with both efi and legacy boot). Standard methods for making an iso bootable don't work with debian isos
695[05:19:49] <somiaj> hence create a linux vm and follow the offical documentation for putting the preseed int he iso
696[05:19:50] <AlexPortable> oh
697[05:19:57] <AlexPortable> so no easy way to merge the preseed.cfg file into it?
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699[05:20:19] <AlexPortable> but well
700[05:20:22] <AlexPortable> it boots, but only cant find vmlinuz
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708[05:23:10] <somiaj> AlexPortable: since vmlinuz is the kernel, it really isn't booting. (:
709[05:23:16] <AlexPortable> oh
710[05:23:21] <AlexPortable> any way I can diagnose why it cant find it?
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712[05:24:17] <somiaj> You could look into how debian isos are made and why they are differnt than normal bootable isos, but I think just using a non modified iso, installing and building your new iso with proper tools will be the safest and fastest method
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716[05:26:02] <AlexPortable> oh it works now
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720[05:27:33] <AlexPortable> append auto file=/pre.seed
721[05:27:35] <AlexPortable> is this correct?
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724[05:29:33] <AlexPortable> preconfiguration could not be retrieved from file:///preseed/preseed.cfg
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741[05:43:51] <AlexPortable> /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 auto url=replaced-url
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743[05:43:56] <AlexPortable> Why does this generates kernel panic?
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750[05:48:16] <semitones> General question -- is daemontools still a supported way to do things?
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752[05:48:44] <semitones> I basically just want to run pulseaudio as a user service, that's always running in the background
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754[05:49:07] <somiaj> semitones: systemd can do most of that directly, so you don't need daemontools
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756[05:49:47] <somiaj> semitones: you could create a systemd unit file that will run pulseaudio as the desired user and even monintor it and keep it running
757[05:49:56] <somiaj> the unit file will probably be a few lines long
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761[05:51:36] <semitones> somiaj, so systemd doesn't automatically use system-wide mode?
762[05:51:41] <semitones> it can use user mode?
763[05:51:49] <semitones> also, how does localrc fit into the mix?
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770[05:53:52] <somiaj> semitones: what do you mean by that?
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772[05:54:14] <somiaj> semitones: systemd is set up to run /etc/rc.local as the last script during boot
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775[05:55:04] <somiaj> semitones: systemd can be configured to run services as any user (even has user configured services). As for what the defaults with pulseaudio are, I dont' know, maybe it is only run on user login. I don't use pulse
776[05:55:11] <AlexPortable> append auto=true url=replaced-url
777[05:55:14] <AlexPortable> Why does this gives me kernel panic?
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780[05:55:34] <semitones> thanks! so if I put "pulseaudio -D" in rc.local, then it will run it as a service, and keep it running? I've heard that pulseaudio likes to run after user login better
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782[05:55:43] <AlexPortable> not syncing VFS: unable to mount roof fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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784[05:56:09] <semitones> somiaj, I'm a little confused though -- if I run my raspberry pi as a headless server, is it even logged into an users when it starts up?
785[05:56:14] <somiaj> semitones: then most likely that is why debian dose this. Problem is that will run as root
786[05:56:29] <somiaj> semitones: might be best to write a service file to have it run as your user and not as root
787[05:56:39] <semitones> that sounds doable
788[05:56:53] <somiaj> just look up systemd unit files, you should be able to piece together an example easily enough
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790[05:57:00] <somiaj> then put it in /etc/systemd/system/
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800[05:59:48] <AlexPortable> What's the difference between selecting an entry on the boot screen vs pressing esc?
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803[06:00:31] <somiaj> AlexPortable: preseed just automates the whole install. Any reason you don't want to just do a manual install?
804[06:00:43] <AlexPortable> i want to do preseed
805[06:00:50] <AlexPortable> automate it tall
806[06:00:54] <somiaj> AlexPortable: then once you have a linux vm up, you can correctly put the preseed in the inird file and then make aonther install
807[06:01:19] <AlexPortable> yes but the problem is i have it there
808[06:01:29] <AlexPortable> but when I press tab to edit boot option it will just ignore me what i put in
809[06:01:41] <AlexPortable> Press ENTER to boot or TAB to edit a menu entry
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811[06:01:53] <AlexPortable> I press tab and write preseed/url=replaced-url
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815[06:03:02] <Rusty1_> try using the ip addy instead of the hostname?
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817[06:03:12] <AlexPortable> im using ip addressd
818[06:03:21] <AlexPortable> but when i press esc I get a black interface with 'boot:'
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820[06:03:25] <AlexPortable> and if i type the ip there it works fine
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831[06:10:06] <semitones> somiaj, I got most of the way there, except I don't see a spot in the unit file to tell systemd what user to run the service as?
832[06:10:23] <semitones> replaced-url
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835[06:11:16] <AlexPortable> can someone help me out here?
836[06:11:23] <somiaj> semitones: User=username
837[06:11:37] <AlexPortable> whats the difference between the boot menu (press tab to edit a menu entry) and when i press esc and type my command there
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840[06:11:52] <somiaj> semitones: oh systemd user, you probabaly can't specificy username that way, it will default as your user
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847[06:14:31] <semitones> somiaj, should I create the service in /etc/systemd/$username ?
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849[06:15:46] <somiaj> semitones: unsure the details. You could create a system service in /etc/systemd/system/mypulse.service
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851[06:16:12] <jmcnaught> semitones: a user's systemd units can go in ~/.config/systemd/user (look at systemd.unit(5) for locations)
852[06:16:13] <somiaj> semitones: and just have it run as your nomal user.
853[06:16:42] <semitones> thanks. i've heard that pulseaudio wants to be run as a user service - I'm just unsure how to do this from a headless server.
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856[06:17:08] <semitones> if I put it in ~/.config, will it get run at bootup, before a user logs in?
857[06:17:08] <somiaj> multiple ways.
858[06:17:21] <somiaj> unsure, I'm not familar with systemd --user
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861[06:18:05] <jmcnaught> semitones: oh.. a user's systemd units are used in a user session (when they're logged in at least once)
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863[06:19:15] <jmcnaught> semitones: if you want a service unit to start at boot it belongs in /etc/systemd/system, and you would use the User= directive to set the user it should run as (see systemd.exec(5))
864[06:20:01] <semitones> jmcnaught, there's also something on the wiki that says you can start a user service without any users logging in -- I think the thing that was confusing me is that "systemd" is the user
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866[06:20:24] <semitones> replaced-url
867[06:20:50] <semitones> but if that's the case, I don't know what to put for "username"
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869[06:21:17] <somiaj> put in your users username
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871[06:21:21] <somiaj> the user you want to run the process as
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874[06:22:34] <semitones> Ok, done. So does that mean that systemd --user will run all the services in /etc/systemd/user/ as my username (patrick)
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876[06:24:09] <jmcnaught> semitones: the difference (AFAIK) with using the loginctl enable-linger is that it's going to start a separate instance of systemd running as that user at boot (just like the systemd user instance launched by logind when you login). If you just want the system to start a service running as a specific user (eg a daemon running as a system user) then putting the service unit in /etc/systemd/system and usin
877[06:24:15] <jmcnaught> g the User= directive in the unit file ...
878[06:24:17] <jmcnaught> ... is probably a better way
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880[06:24:26] <jmcnaught> hmmm... gee thanks splitlong.pl :/
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882[06:25:57] <han-solo> Anybody know how to convert a .dvr format file to avi/mkv?
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885[06:27:11] <semitones> Oh I see what you mean. Yes, that sounds like it would work. So I would get a pulseaudio daemon running as my user, without that user getting logged in. THat makse sense! Thanks!
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891[06:30:35] <semitones> jmcnaught, I'm looking, but I don't see a user= directive. I see SocketUser= is that what I want?
892[06:31:11] <jmcnaught> semitones: where are you looking? in "man systemd.exec" ?
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894[06:32:04] <semitones> I looked it up here: replaced-url
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896[06:32:53] <semitones> i do see it in man systemd.exec
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901[06:34:44] <jmcnaught> semitones: there's also systemd.service for more general directives that can be used in service units, and systemd.unit for directives available to all unit types
902[06:35:15] <AlexPortable> boot: /install.amd/vmlinuz failed: No such file or directory
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905[06:36:44] <semitones> jmcnaught, i'm a little confused about whether I can use the user= directive, and if so, do I put it under [Unit], [Service], or [Install]?
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910[06:38:29] <semitones> looks like it goes under [Service] according to google :)
911[06:38:46] <AlexPortable> anyone?
912[06:38:56] <jmcnaught> semitones: yes. also according to the top of that man page :)
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914[06:39:29] <semitones> i must have read the top of the man page 3 times and not understood that :p
915[06:39:49] <AlexPortable> i give up..
916[06:39:55] <jmcnaught> semitones: most of the time google's going to have correct info, but systemd has been evolving pretty quickly so you want to make sure what you read is relevant to the version used by Jessie. The locally installed man pages will always be correct.
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921[06:41:03] <jmcnaught> semitones: and i know what you mean, reading man pages is a skill that gets better with practice. some man pages are better than others, the systemd ones are somewhat terse but you'll get used to them :)
922[06:41:36] <semitones> thanks - i'll check the man pages :) I think the trick is to read each sentence, every word. You never know where the information will be!
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928[06:44:03] <bluesixr> Is it normal for there to be some white noise when I plug in my headphones?
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930[06:44:43] <somiaj> it isn't uncommon, audio wiring isn't always the best
931[06:44:48] <swift110-phone> Hmm that's annoying
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935[06:45:23] <somiaj> bluesixr: once you them pluged in it stops?
936[06:46:02] <bluesixr> No.
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938[06:46:14] <somiaj> bluesixr: are you sure you aren't plugging it into a mic port?
939[06:46:21] <bluesixr> There's a subtle white noise when my output volume isn't muted.
940[06:46:31] <bluesixr> Yes. There's only one port on my mini PC.
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942[06:46:42] <bluesixr> It's directly into the audio component of the board.
943[06:46:48] <r6ku> bluesixr: is it the same on other devices or just your pc?
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945[06:47:29] <bluesixr> On my Microsoft Surface it's silent.
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950[06:49:06] <semitones> bluesixr, do you have a usb sound device you could test it on?
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952[06:49:29] <bluesixr> What's a USB sound device?
953[06:49:58] <bluesixr> replaced-url
954[06:50:00] <bluesixr> Ah, like this?
955[06:50:05] <bluesixr> Are USB sound cards good?
956[06:50:31] <semitones> alright, this is how my brand new service looks now. I think I understand everything in it - it's connecting to a dbus name, and waiting until another service starts up. I'm not sure why, but copying from other people anyway :)
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961[06:51:10] <semitones> bluesixr, they can be better than the audio jack things come with. The raspberry pi for instance has a notorious crackle in the built in jack. The usb card is a little better
962[06:51:20] <bluesixr> "The static has been reduced by 80-90% compared to on-board audio"
963[06:51:24] <bluesixr> replaced-url
964[06:51:28] <bluesixr> Think this is a good one?
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966[06:51:55] <semitones> bluesixr, it looks better than mine!
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968[06:52:12] <bluesixr> OK, I'll give it a try.
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1019[07:36:05] <bluesixr> What do I do to get my audio to output through the USB connection?
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1023[07:36:46] <somiaj> bluesixr: once you plug in the usb audio device, it may just detect it. In thtat case you can configure alsa or pulse to use the new audo device just like any other
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1033[07:48:11] <han-solo> do i have to do ./configure for every extracted tar ball?
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1035[07:48:47] <somiaj> han-solo: depends on the tar you get, but that is the common way to deal with lots of source tars.
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1037[07:50:10] <han-solo> i extracted a tar ball and it only have setup.py
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1039[07:50:21] <han-solo> what should i do to install/
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1041[07:50:34] <somiaj> probabaly get support from the place that made the tar for you
1042[07:50:54] <han-solo> okay
1043[07:51:03] <somiaj> but python code doesn't need to be compiled, you just need the correct version of python installed. Unsure how to best deal with python setup.py files, if you need to run it through pip or what not
1044[07:52:10] <somiaj> my guess is you can just run it with python setup.py, but you may want to make sure it dosen't need flags to install it nicely
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1123[09:01:37] <hanshenrik> tftpd-hpa refuse connections from remote ips. 127.0.0.1 works fine, i've got no idea why, the ip is directly reachable, there's no firewall of any kind,
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1125[09:01:54] <hanshenrik> any suggestions?
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1127[09:02:23] <hanshenrik> its possible that it'd accept connections from the same LAN, but i dont got any other ips on that lan, and it'd be expensive to aquire any
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1129[09:03:16] <hanshenrik> every other server running on it (nginx http, ssh, transmission torrent) works just fine
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1131[09:04:48] <hanshenrik> /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /srv/tftp
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1134[09:05:28] <meseira> hello
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1136[09:05:50] <hanshenrik> (secure is _SUPPOSED_ to merely be a chroot jail-like thing, forcing /srv/tftp to be root, according to the docs)
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1139[09:06:29] <meseira> since yesterday, I try to get my printer Brother DCP-7040 working with Debian Jessie
1140[09:07:18] <meseira> I did a lot of things to try in Debian Jessie, Debian Stretch andd Ubuntu 16.04 beta2
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1142[09:08:50] <meseira> Nothing has worked for me in Debian Jessie/Stretch when the stuff is so ease in Ubuntu, it suffices to add i386 architecture and install libc6:i386 for being able to install Brother's drivers through multiarch
1143[09:10:02] <meseira> unfortunately, the same procedure doesn't work with Debian, I can install the drivers (no bug or error reported) and the printer claim every time that everything is good but it doesn't print anything :-/
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1145[09:11:02] <meseira> I don't think that my problem is limited to my printer but it should be quite general with i386 packages like the Brother's driver.
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1148[09:11:49] <meseira> thus, full of hope, I ask again here is someone success to install a Brother DCP printer in Jessie?
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1160[09:18:40] <jmcnaught> meseira: there's a printer-driver-brlaser package that lists a model close to yours in its description available in Debian, worth a try maybe?
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1165[09:22:20] <jmcnaught> meseira: i installed brother printer/scanner drivers for my father's computer on Wheezy at one point. I don't remember having to do much more than enable multi-arch support and install the .debs from the brother site. If the debs you installed didn't give you any errors, maybe check the cups logs for clues. It seems I don't even have cups installed on this computer.
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1171[09:23:56] <meseira> jmcnaught: a priori, the models of printer-driver-brlaser are not the same than mine but I can give a try
1172[09:24:53] <meseira> jmcnaught: for your father's computer, it was more straightforward in wheezy because there was the package ia32-libs
1173[09:25:43] <meseira> jmcnaught: but this package is now obsolete and have been put out from Jessie repos... thus, no other option than using multiarch
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1178[09:27:11] <jmcnaught> meseira: i'm pretty sure multi-arch existed in wheezy and ia32-libs was just a transition dummy package
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1180[09:28:04] <meseira> jmcnaught: cups logs are not usefull in my case... they always congrat me for successfull printing but no page go out from the printer :-/
1181[09:28:44] <jmcnaught> meseira: replaced-url
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1183[09:30:49] <jmcnaught> meseira: it doesn't help for your current problem, but make sure the next printer you buy supports some standard printing language like postscript or PCL
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1185[09:31:27] <meseira> jmcnaught: yes, Wheezy had multiarch but I don't know why, intalling the Brother's drivers was staightforward with ia32-libs (just like it is with multiarch in Ubuntu 16.04)
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1188[09:32:58] <meseira> jmcnaught: yeap, I know that I have to take care of that... I did not buy this DCP-7040, someone gives me and it works like a charm (when it works)
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1193[09:46:50] <jmcnaught> meseira: i looked at the LPR driver and cupswrapper packages from the brother website, and i'm hardly an expert on CUPS, but it seems to me like the two packages provide a wrapper for CUPS that lets it use the older style LPR driver
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1195[09:47:50] <jmcnaught> meseira: also part of that wrapper seems to be a script that includes lines to delete .PPD files from elsewhere on the system, so you might not be able to have both the printer-driver-brlaser and brother packages installed at the same time
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1197[09:48:23] <jmcnaught> meseira: did that printer-driver-brlaser package work at all? the readme seemed to suggest that it might work with other printers
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1202[09:50:19] <meseira> jmcnaught: I was carefully reading the verbose cups logs for now... I stop and try the package printer-driver-brlaser right now to see if it works for DCP-7040
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1204[09:51:50] <jmcnaught> meseira: heh i read that cups wrapper script more closely and the stuff its deleting is part of its own uninstall script (not the package's postrm script), kinda weird, but probably won't delete files from that printer-driver-brlaser package
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1210[09:56:05] <meseira> jmcnaught: these packages are written in old and poor style
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1212[09:56:37] <jmcnaught> meseira: agreed, and seem to package what was at one point a script that can add or remove stuff
1213[09:57:13] <meseira> jmcnaught: don't give too much attention to what they do... there exists a Debian project to handle them in a better way
1214[09:57:26] <jmcnaught> meseira: i wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is that this wrapper script is failing silently because of a file that is missing or something
1215[09:57:52] <lubarch> anybody running debian on macbook air mid 2013?
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1217[09:58:28] <jmcnaught> lubarch: probably. are you trying to see if it will work, or are you having a problem?
1218[09:58:43] <lubarch> I am about to install
1219[09:58:58] <lubarch> don't know if it will work
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1221[09:59:48] <meseira> jmcnaught: damn it, the package printer-driver-brlaser provides a driver for DCP-7030 that seems to work for DCP-7040!
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1224[10:00:43] <meseira> jmcnaught: thx for this package, I had missed it during one whole day ;-)
1225[10:01:09] <jmcnaught> lubarch: the debian wiki has several "installing on" pages for different computers, that would be a good place to start looking, and then after that google. it probably works though
1226[10:01:19] <meseira> jmcnaught: I will do more tries to confirm that but it could be great if a package from stable main repo make this printer work!
1227[10:01:31] <jmcnaught> meseira: nice!
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1230[10:02:44] <jmcnaught> meseira: i bet the upstream auther would appreciate knowing it works for your model too: replaced-url
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1233[10:03:26] <lubarch> jmcnaught: that is okay
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1242[10:10:31] <fearnothing> question about rsyslog: if I want to send my bind logs to a remote syslog server, where do I configure that?
1243[10:10:54] <fearnothing> I tried adding items to my rsyslog.conf but either I did it wrong, or it's not possible to do there
1244[10:11:14] <fearnothing> and I can't see anything in the bind9 documentation that tells me how
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1248[10:14:05] <meseira> jmcnaught: yeap, if all is good, I will send a huge thank to the author ;-)
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1250[10:14:25] <jmcnaught> fearnothing: i haven't done it before, but it would be in rsyslog that you configure this, not bind9
1251[10:14:48] <jmd> systemd is using 30% of my CPU. How can I find out what it is doing and tell it to behave?
1252[10:14:49] <jmcnaught> meseira: hopefully you never have to deal with those awful .debs from the brother site again :)
1253[10:15:50] <jmcnaught> jmd: any clues in the journal?
1254[10:16:16] <jmd> Which one?
1255[10:16:42] <jmcnaught> jmd: run "journalctl" as a member of the adm group or as root
1256[10:16:59] <jmd> syslogd says "systemd[1]: Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little."
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1258[10:19:41] <meseira> jmcnaught: yes, it would wonderful to finally be able to forget these old, closed source and painful Brother's packages ;-)
1259[10:19:51] <jmcnaught> jmd: maybe it's this? replaced-url
1260[10:19:52] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1261[10:21:56] <jmd> It seems similar.
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1263[10:22:15] <jmd> Unfortunately that bug doesn't seem to have a resolution.
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1266[10:24:06] <jmcnaught> jmd: i only skimmed it, but it seemed like they had a potential fix backported and the maintainer was waiting for some feedback, hoping to include it in a point release
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1268[10:24:21] <jmcnaught> jmd: are you swapping a lot before this happens like the others in the bug?
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1270[10:24:47] <jmd> Not so far as I'm aware.
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1278[10:26:43] <jmd> The only other thing that journalctl shows is a continued attempt from a Chinese IP to ssh as root.
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1282[10:28:18] <jiggawattz> lol
1283[10:28:19] <jiggawattz> chinese
1284[10:28:24] <jiggawattz> luv them commie hackers
1285[10:28:33] <jmd> jmcnaught: Actually, now that you mention it, perhaps there was a lot of swapping about 15 mins ago.
1286[10:28:46] <jmd> But it that process is stopped now.
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1288[10:29:03] <jmcnaught> jmd: that could be what triggered it, any message about OOM killer?
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1290[10:29:38] <jmd> No.
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1321[10:54:39] <jolt> Interesting, I have been thinking about pam_geoip, so maybe I should get that going just to limit some attempts to access my system from countries I'm definitely not going to go to
1322[10:54:49] <jmd> Well it looks like I have to reboot.
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1326[10:55:12] <jolt> iptables -m geoip might be the answer
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1328[10:56:45] <jmd> Oh wonderful shutdown doesn't work anymore.
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1330[10:58:29] <jolt> jmd: There is a proc-thingie to reboot, maybe try that?
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1332[10:58:54] <jolt> replaced-url
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1341[11:06:03] <hanshenrik> replaced-url
1342[11:06:15] <hanshenrik> er
1343[11:06:15] <hanshenrik> replaced-url
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1348[11:06:39] <hanshenrik> this is a PXE network boot, there is no cd on the computer,
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1351[11:07:08] <hanshenrik> ... and i got the wrong vmlinuz
1352[11:07:12] <hanshenrik> nvm
1353[11:07:16] <jolt> hanshenrik: :D
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1356[11:09:58] <cluelessperson> What is this "systemctl" or "systemd" bs?
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1358[11:10:20] <cluelessperson> it seems that almost every service I try to run now is plagued by systemctl's ugly mouth telling me it failed
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1362[11:11:33] <cluelessperson> so frustrating
1363[11:11:43] <CyberpunkZ> hey man im using debian 8.3 and running gnome3 on it .. on my laptop the touchpad stop working doesn't move the mouse cursor i have install a later version of linux using jessie-backports
1364[11:11:55] <cluelessperson> also. "service something start" goes to "systemctl something.service start" ? wtf
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1366[11:12:08] <CyberpunkZ> if i plug in a mouse it works, just not the touchpad on the laptop itself
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1370[11:12:53] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: it's just the new init system used by default in jessie. if you have services failing to start, you can make pastebins of errors or logs to get some help
1371[11:13:19] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, That's the thing. I
1372[11:13:26] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, so far, I don't get any errors at all.
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1374[11:13:49] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I'm asking why a new init system that is difficult to use is being introduced.
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1376[11:13:58] <cluelessperson> This kind of thing increases the learning curve
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1379[11:14:32] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: i don't find it difficult, and in a lot of ways it's easier than the old stuff. there's also plenty of documentation around for it
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1382[11:15:22] <jmcnaught> CyberpunkZ: do you mean you're using a newer linux kernel from jessie-backports? does your laptop have a shortcut key to disable trackpad?
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1389[11:17:24] <jmcnaught> CyberpunkZ: if it's one of those synaptics touchpads you may need to read replaced-url
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1396[11:18:38] <kmq> on a fresh jessie install in /etc/network/interfaces.d/static I add the 'dns-nameservers' line, but after booting they are missing in /etc/resolv.conf
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1398[11:19:15] <kmq> I found them in "cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original"
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1400[11:19:33] <kmq> with a note saying "# Generated by udhcpc for eth0"
1401[11:20:22] <kmq> I'm a little bit confused, doesn't resolvconf parse the dns-nameservers line ?
1402[11:20:57] <kmq> am I understanding NetworkConfiguration on the debian wiki incorrectly ?
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1404[11:21:32] <kmq> udhcpc isn't even installed in the first place
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1412[11:23:57] <jmcnaught> kmq: is the dns-nameservers line part of an iface stanza, or just a single line in the file you made?
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1414[11:25:03] <kmq> it's part of the stanza
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1416[11:25:49] <kmq> I even double checked that there aren't any hidden tabs or anything
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1419[11:26:31] <kmq> If that is relevant, it's an encrypted system that's unlocked remotely via ssh
1420[11:26:40] <kmq> so it has network connectivity in the initrd
1421[11:26:58] <kmq> but the initrd shouldn't share network configuration with the main system, right ?
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1425[11:28:06] <CyberpunkZ> dude touchpad just stop working on debian 8 inside gnome
1426[11:28:19] <CyberpunkZ> is there something missing or is this a bug ?
1427[11:28:44] <CyberpunkZ> it was working until a reboot and now it just doesn't want to work anymore
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1432[11:31:08] <floatd> I can't ping lan address
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1434[11:31:19] <Guest24521> replaced-url
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1436[11:32:00] <floatd> I get 100% package loss
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1439[11:33:35] <kmq> floatd: you need to describe your problem better, for all I know you're just pinging the wrong address
1440[11:33:52] <floatd> I know my lan address is 192.168.1.1
1441[11:34:02] <floatd> when I ping it I get 100% package loss
1442[11:34:10] <floatd> I have internet though
1443[11:34:21] <kmq> there is no such thing as a "lan address"
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1445[11:35:48] <floatd> IPv4: LAN IP Address 192.168.1.1
1446[11:36:26] <rozie> floatd: show output of ip a (on pastebin)
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1448[11:36:45] <Guest24521> replaced-url
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1450[11:37:18] <floatd> replaced-url
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1452[11:38:00] <rozie> as we can see there, you don't have LAN address and your IP is 94.22.84.9
1453[11:38:12] <floatd> When I look in Device info -- DHCP Leases
1454[11:38:19] <floatd> I don't seem my own computer
1455[11:38:28] <kmq> when you look where ?
1456[11:38:35] <floatd> How do I get a LAN Address?
1457[11:38:50] <floatd> My routers homepage is tplinkmodem.net it's local
1458[11:39:21] <floatd> I can look in Device Info > DHCP there I can see Hostnames, MAC address and more
1459[11:39:36] <rozie> how do you connect to router?
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1462[11:41:01] <rozie> 1. get IP from DHCP
1463[11:41:17] <rozie> 2. IIRC tplinklogin.net works only if you are connected via router
1464[11:41:20] <floatd> How do I get IP from DHCP?
1465[11:41:40] <floatd> It's a Modem/Router
1466[11:41:47] <rozie> 3. default IP of tplink routers is 192.168.0.1 AFAIK
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1468[11:42:03] <Guest24521> replaced-url
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1471[11:42:43] <floatd> This goes over my head
1472[11:42:53] <rozie> last but not least - describe full network topology and answer questions you are asked
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1474[11:42:58] <rozie> bbl
1475[11:42:58] <floatd> so I'm connceted to the modem?
1476[11:43:19] <floatd> Did you go away?
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1491[11:57:34] <CyberpunkZ> hmm
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1543[12:27:27] <hanshenrik> I know the C language - but this still doesn't make sense to me: replaced-url
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1546[12:27:55] <ksk> hanshenrik: Id guess its asking about which "locale" to use.
1547[12:28:02] <GNU\colossus> hanshenrik, that refers to the "C" locale that's going to be used.
1548[12:28:05] <ksk> where did you see that?
1549[12:28:22] <GNU\colossus> it just means to not perform any kind of country-specific localization
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1555[12:29:04] <hanshenrik> ksk, PXE booting replaced-url
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1558[12:29:09] <hanshenrik> first thing it asked me.
1559[12:30:15] <ksk> hanshenrik: "ratma.net" does not sound officially to me ;)
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1561[12:30:30] <hanshenrik> ksk, its replaced-url
1562[12:30:32] <hanshenrik> extracted
1563[12:30:54] <hanshenrik> untouched
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1565[12:31:25] <hanshenrik> from a couple of minutes ago
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1569[12:36:41] <hanshenrik> should the SWAP area be on the beginning of a rotating disk?
1570[12:36:46] <hanshenrik> or the end?
1571[12:37:01] <hanshenrik> for best swap performance
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1575[12:39:32] <SirPufonel> hanshenrik, personally i place it after i create /boot , and then /
1576[12:39:57] <SirPufonel> so for me the order is this /boot, swap and / (root +home are together )
1577[12:40:31] <hanshenrik> some bioses don't like having the boot partition longer out than the 4 first GB i guess? :p
1578[12:40:40] <hanshenrik> or
1579[12:40:43] <hanshenrik> MBR limitation?
1580[12:40:49] <hanshenrik> meh, not important
1581[12:40:52] <hanshenrik> that makes sense anyhow
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1586[12:43:12] <cluelessperson> Can someone help me understand what's happening here with systemctl ? replaced-url
1587[12:43:37] <cluelessperson> when I run bitcoind outside of systemd it works perfectly fine.
1588[12:43:40] <SirPufonel> hanshenrik, i have an old computer with BIOS and MBR :)
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1590[12:44:03] <SirPufonel> if you have UEFI it might be a good idea to check
1591[12:44:34] <ksk> cluelessperson: It says something about "Permission Denied"?
1592[12:45:58] <cluelessperson> ksk, drw-r--r-- 3 bitcoin bitcoin 4.0K Mar 27 05:32 bitcoin-node
1593[12:46:13] <SirPufonel> hanshenrik, i create the boot partition of 1Gb , no more :)
1594[12:46:31] <SirPufonel> if you play with kernels alot then maybe it should be bigger
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1596[12:46:53] <hanshenrik> well shit
1597[12:47:00] <hanshenrik> my boot partition is 200 MB
1598[12:47:14] <markybob> cluelessperson: says it's already running. thus no lock
1599[12:47:24] <cluelessperson> markybob, it's not running
1600[12:47:25] <hanshenrik> dont think it'll ever store more than 2 kernels tho - the current and the 1 for a reboot update
1601[12:47:45] <hanshenrik> we
1602[12:48:02] <hanshenrik> does debian support in-memory kernel updates?
1603[12:48:04] <hanshenrik> without reboot?
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1605[12:48:21] <hanshenrik> i heard that was 1 of the major things with kernel 4.0
1606[12:48:32] <hanshenrik> but debian 8 is still on 3.x
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1609[12:49:44] <cluelessperson> hanshenrik, yes
1610[12:49:51] <cluelessperson> hanshenrik, but it won't actually use it until it reboots.
1611[12:50:11] * cluelessperson recently had to work out upgrading board firmware from a running system.
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1614[12:55:20] <SirPufonel> hanshenrik, well at this moment /boot uses only 34 mb of 1024 Mb allocated... so i may be little wrong. but better to be safe than sorry :)
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1616[12:55:36] <hanshenrik> SirPufonel, indeed
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1618[12:56:47] <cluelessperson> So yeah
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1620[12:56:57] <cluelessperson> I have a command that works fine outside of systemd
1621[12:57:04] <cluelessperson> but in the systemd init, it errors
1622[12:57:11] <cluelessperson> supposed "permission denied" my ass
1623[12:57:18] <Gurka47> hi, I'm having something "odd" going on, hostname and hostname -f outputs the full FQDN, /etc/hosts look allright to me, what may be going on?
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1629[12:59:03] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: DHCP assigned the FQDN?
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1634[13:01:33] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: good question, i have a mix of virtual machines (not really too savvy), this one shouldn't be
1635[13:02:05] <Ouroboros> shouldnt be what
1636[13:03:03] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: assigned by dhcp (FQDN), manually entered in /etc/hosts
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1639[13:03:36] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: replaced-url
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1645[13:06:03] <Ouroboros> and what is in /etc/hostname
1646[13:06:59] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: replaced-url
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1648[13:07:48] <Ouroboros> so?
1649[13:08:00] <Ouroboros> is that what hostname outputs?
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1651[13:08:30] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: yes, but only on this server, i have quite a lot, named us01, us02, us03, etc. only us02 has the fqdn in /etc/hostname and differs for some odd reason
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1653[13:09:12] <Ouroboros> so you didnt put that there?
1654[13:09:22] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: so on this server showing this behaviour, hostname and hostname -f shows the same output, on all the others, eg us01, hostname outputs us01, hostname -f outputs us01.xx.xx
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1657[13:09:42] <Ouroboros> i am still thinking it has to do with dhcp
1658[13:09:42] <cluelessperson> Error: Cannot obtain a lock on data directory /storage/bitcoin-node
1659[13:09:54] <Ouroboros> i could be totally wrong though
1660[13:10:17] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
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1662[13:10:46] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: any steps to figure that out? dmesg shows no output of dhcp
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1664[13:11:30] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: i dont have a test system here, but is there something in /var/log or /var/db?
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1666[13:11:50] <Ouroboros> dhclient.lease or something like that
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1672[13:12:46] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: var/log/syslog checked, no trace of DHCP.. will check a couple of more logs
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1674[13:13:09] <Gamenoob> Hello, Ihave problem with mirrors. When I try to update it says failed to fetch mirror and Could not resolve 'mirror'. I've seen that some people had that problem so I tried to fix it but nothing works for me
1675[13:13:09] <Gamenoob> So if anybody has any idea please
1676[13:13:10] <Gamenoob> Im desperate
1677[13:13:10] <Gamenoob> I know that hardware is not the problem and sources.list also
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1680[13:13:22] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: there should be a file, i think its in /var/db
1681[13:13:29] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: i might be thinking of another os though
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1683[13:14:06] <Ouroboros> or maybe thats for dhcp server, heh
1684[13:14:25] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: found /var/lib/dhcp, 2 old files, dhclient.eth0.leases and dhclient.leases, from 2014...
1685[13:14:44] <Ouroboros> are you actually using dhcp?
1686[13:14:57] <Ouroboros> and is it dhclient or dhcpcd
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1693[13:16:47] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: i think you're 100% correct, the contents of dhclient.eth0.leases look really weird, there are two leases for eth0 in the same file, one that already expired, one that isnt expiring at all, with option domain-name setting, guess i have some reading to do because i have no clue how to sort that out. :)
1694[13:17:46] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: replaced-url
1695[13:17:53] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: not sure tho how this can happen as i am quite certain i chose static ip, and no DHCPDISCOVER or the usual things found in any log i can think of
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1699[13:18:14] <Ouroboros> well, what does /etc/network/interfaces say
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1701[13:18:40] <Ouroboros> i am assume you are using that and not NetworkManager or something
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1703[13:18:56] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: replaced-url
1704[13:19:44] <cluelessperson> Can someone please help me understand wtf systemd is doing here?
1705[13:19:46] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
1706[13:20:30] <cluelessperson> bitcoind works fine if I start it manually, but seems to be sent thread interupts (I suspect by systemd itself)
1707[13:20:53] <cluelessperson> oh yeah, dur: bitcoind.service start operation timed out. Terminating.
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1709[13:21:54] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: is that FQDN in that lease file?
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1711[13:22:35] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: yes, it is mentioned, i pastebinned it here: replaced-url
1712[13:22:38] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: i mean, first thing to try is move those lease files out of the way, change hostname in /etc/hostname [replaced-url
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1720[13:23:44] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: as for how those leases happened before, i have no idea
1721[13:23:54] <Ouroboros> maybe the config wasnt always like this
1722[13:24:10] <Ouroboros> or someone ran dhclient manually e.g.
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1724[13:24:43] <cluelessperson> Figured it out
1725[13:24:47] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: first install may have been dhcp, it's 2 years ago :) i have documentation of the install, but not detailed enough for first install whether or not it talked to a dhcp server, or didnt. but most likely as it was done with netinstall
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1727[13:25:35] <Ouroboros> dunno where that lease expiration came from, lol
1728[13:25:47] <Ouroboros> anyway, just doing what i suggested should fix it
1729[13:25:55] <Ouroboros> if not, you can investigate further
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1733[13:27:07] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: many thanks so far :) rebooting now, moved those files to another place, first sign should probably be if they magically respawn :)
1734[13:27:14] <Ouroboros> yeah
1735[13:27:20] <Ouroboros> dont think they will though
1736[13:27:42] <Ouroboros> most likely it is just because of that non-expiring lease
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1738[13:27:56] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: no respawn, but "hostname" still outputs the full FQDN
1739[13:28:07] <Ouroboros> did you change /etc/hostname?
1740[13:28:33] <cluelessperson> no actually I haven't
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1743[13:30:22] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: ah sorry, no, i did not, i was under the belief it was autogenerated on boot
1744[13:30:47] <Ouroboros> no, it wont be generated without dhcp
1745[13:30:58] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: well, now it works, many thanks!!
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1747[13:31:07] <pho}e{nix> hello everyone
1748[13:31:08] <pho}e{nix> :)
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1750[13:31:32] <Gurka47> wish i could donate beer over irc :D
1751[13:31:47] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: /etc/hostname is where *the* hostname comes from, /etc/hosts is just the name->ip mappings
1752[13:32:13] <Ouroboros> (as i understand it, its been awhile)
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1754[13:32:53] <hanshenrik> brand new system set up with debian installer, not expert mode, nothing special really (except that it was a PXE boot installation), just finished, restartong normally, booting, "Loading Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 ..." "Loading initial ramdisk ..." then a newline, then freeze, nothing happening
1755[13:33:17] <hanshenrik> frozen
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1757[13:35:59] <CyberpunkZ> hey i need some help with setting up debian 8 on my laptop.. the problem i'm having with it is the touchpad and atheros wireless that are not working due probably missing firmware in linux. the wireless modem is a Atheros 9377 qualcomm it uses the firmware of ath10k
1758[13:36:36] <CyberpunkZ> touchpad is not working so therefor now mouse, it works with a regular mouse but i need it for my desktop
1759[13:37:09] <Gurka47> Cyberpunkz: make and model of laptop is probably helpful
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1761[13:37:26] <CyberpunkZ> its a Acer Aspire E5-573-54BN
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1765[13:39:29] <CyberpunkZ> i have added jessie-backports and install linux-4.3
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1768[13:39:55] <CyberpunkZ> thought it would correct the firmware stuff but it doesn't either way its not work with the default kernel either
1769[13:40:06] <Ouroboros> hanshenrik: it can be various things replaced-url
1770[13:40:29] <teraflops> hanshenrik: no errors at all, just frozen? Are you sure is frozen? I mean maybe you have nl videi bat the system is still running. Or just your session manager (if any) does blank screen but you still are able to e.g switch tty with alt + f*
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1772[13:40:53] <teraflops> I mean No video sorry.
1773[13:40:59] <Ouroboros> its not frozen
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1776[13:41:10] <Ouroboros> it just couldnt load something
1777[13:41:12] <CyberpunkZ> i'm guessing the touchpad is just a synaptics one
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1780[13:41:32] <CyberpunkZ> i dont see why it wouldn't work it could be dude to systemd daemons
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1782[13:41:49] <CyberpunkZ> not loading up stuff.. it could be to do with hal
1783[13:41:55] <CyberpunkZ> not sure if systemd uses hal
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1785[13:42:08] <CyberpunkZ> i remember debian use to use sysvinit
1786[13:42:12] <CyberpunkZ> what happen to that ?
1787[13:42:18] <Gurka47> Cyberpunkz: Googling some, there seem to be issues with BIOS prior to 1.35, have you checked your BIOS?
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1798[13:44:07] <CyberpunkZ> v1.07 march 17 2015
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1800[13:44:12] <CyberpunkZ> my bios version
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1802[13:44:35] <CyberpunkZ> its a new laptop i just got a few days ago
1803[13:44:36] <CyberpunkZ> :)
1804[13:45:40] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: i guess the fqdn might be read from /etc/hosts and/or other places
1805[13:45:56] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: i mean, for the output of 'hostname -f'
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1807[13:46:25] <fearnothing> please could someone help me configure rsyslog to send /var/log/bind/bind.log entries to a remote receiver? I thought I had figured out how, but I was wrong
1808[13:46:29] <fearnothing> and now I don't know what to try next
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1810[13:46:41] <Gurka47> Cyberpunkz: try upgrading the BIOS to the latest. Other workarounds (for same model series) is to enter BIOS and chose basic mode for the touchpad, if that doesnt work, no clue
1811[13:46:54] <CyberpunkZ> the touchpad did work before but now it just stop working since i done a update
1812[13:47:02] <CyberpunkZ> and it doesn't work even after a frew install
1813[13:47:05] <CyberpunkZ> fresh*
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1815[13:47:34] <CyberpunkZ> really its due to the bios
1816[13:47:36] <CyberpunkZ> ?
1817[13:47:39] <CyberpunkZ> it works with ubuntu
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1819[13:47:57] <CyberpunkZ> i dont see how its to do with the bios as the touchpad work before
1820[13:48:11] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: probably true, but now it's atleast fixed and working as intended :D
1821[13:48:15] <CyberpunkZ> and how do u go on by updating the bios
1822[13:48:24] <Gurka47> Cyberpunkz: well if it worked and now does not, then i'm not sure.
1823[13:49:07] <CyberpunkZ> i know some acer computer u need windows to update the bios as i took out windows and replace it with debian 8
1824[13:49:47] <Ouroboros> Gurka47: yeah, just pointing out it can get confusing on real network-connected systems :) when you have dns and god forbid nis etc
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1827[13:50:45] <Gurka47> Cyberpunkz: usually by following the acer specifications, normal procedures involve 1 usb stick and an upgrade either from within os (windows) or from inside bios (read usb stick), not sure about how acer does it. and if it worked before i'm not sure.
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1830[13:51:14] <AlexPortable> How can I add entry to debian iso boot file?
1831[13:51:19] <Gurka47> Cyberpunkz: replaced-url
1832[13:51:26] <AlexPortable> I tried editting the iso but then it can't find install.amd/vmlinuz
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1835[13:53:21] <Gurka47> Ouroboros: indeed it can, glad it got sorted out
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1849[14:01:14] <fearnothing> please could someone help me configure rsyslog to send /var/log/bind/bind.log entries to a remote receiver? I thought I had figured out how, but I was wrong
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1871[14:15:19] <AlexPortable> replaced-url
1872[14:15:21] <AlexPortable> Is this still up to date?
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1877[14:17:44] <lubarch> how to instal bcm4360 in macbook air
1878[14:17:55] <lubarch> offline
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1901[14:31:55] <AlexPortable> genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory '/var/tmp/linux/isolinux'!
1902[14:32:03] <AlexPortable> how can i tell it to look better?
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1905[14:32:29] <heap_> hi is there any working iscsi target?
1906[14:32:53] <heap_> can iscsi target that points to the "image" file... got corrupted?
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1918[14:36:58] <r6ku> lubarch: you need this package replaced-url
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1939[14:44:16] <r6ku> lubarch: there's also an install image with firmware on it for wifi replaced-url
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1944[14:46:08] <Walakea> debian installer requested wifi firmware rtl_nic .... 8168-3
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1946[14:46:23] <Walakea> i think this is part of firmware realtek
1947[14:46:29] <dvs> !firmware iso
1948[14:46:30] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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1950[14:46:38] <Walakea> is it enough if i simply install th package?
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1953[14:47:19] <r6ku> Walakea: it should be
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1955[14:48:35] <Scuttle> anyone know how I can get the debian installer to ask for a hostname during preseeding? Right now it pulls host name from dhcp-server
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1975[14:57:13] <Walakea> it wasnt enough
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1977[14:57:54] <Walakea> i got my wifi to work earlier thanks to something i found on internet
1978[14:58:11] <dvs> !tell Walakea about firmware iso
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1980[14:58:53] <Walakea> i wont be reinstalling my system again
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2011[15:08:43] <heap_> any idea what is a working and stable iscsi target?
2012[15:08:55] <heap_> that crap targetctl doesnt work anymore..
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2028[15:16:10] <awal1> I think, and it should be, if someone asks about something and people here can't/aren't able to help, it could be nice if the solution found is shared; it may be interesting and people may learn... Walakea, you dont think so?
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2030[15:16:59] <awal1> I think tha's the debian community philosophy here :)
2031[15:17:15] <awal1> oh, he left :D
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2034[15:18:22] <awal1> for room thats egoist asking and not sharing solutions...
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2039[15:21:19] <e4rthling> ayone here using a freenas? ive got a freenas from a friend here, for some reason i can only write at 35~ MiB/s is that because theres some stupid zfs runni
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2048[15:26:09] <Posterdati> jo
2049[15:26:12] <Posterdati> hi
2050[15:26:23] <e4rthling> hi
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2053[15:27:07] <heap_> hi what is a good and stable software for the iscsi target? i want to run on debian
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2055[15:27:10] <Posterdati> I've got a problem with jessie on amd64 + systemd: A start job is running for Enable support for additional exe...
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2058[15:28:09] <Posterdati> I've got a problem with jessie on amd64 + systemd: A start job is running for Enable support for additional exe... I experienced freezing with debian latest stable kernel and kernel 4.5.0
2059[15:28:12] <e4rthling> heap_:di you try open-iscsi?
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2061[15:29:36] <e4rthling> heap_: did you try open-iscsi?
2062[15:29:49] <Posterdati> :(
2063[15:29:49] <heap_> no
2064[15:30:09] <e4rthling> give it a try its super easy to use and gets the joib done
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2066[15:30:12] <heap_> do you mean replaced-url
2067[15:30:36] <e4rthling> apt-get install open-iscsi
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2069[15:31:21] <e4rthling> for the target you just go iscsiadm -m discovery -t sendtargets -p IP_Adresse:3260
2070[15:31:28] <heap_> ok let me try
2071[15:31:39] <heap_> i need to run it in target mode
2072[15:31:40] <e4rthling> iscsiadm
2073[15:31:56] <Posterdati> systemd is horrible
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2075[15:33:09] <e4rthling> heap_: replaced-url
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2077[15:34:15] <heap_> e4rthling: looks like a client to me
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2083[15:36:32] <Posterdati> how can I rip off systemd without screw my system?
2084[15:36:46] <e4rthling> heap_: sry i misudnerstood ur question my bad
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2086[15:38:10] <e4rthling> e4rthling: replaced-url
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2088[15:38:39] <e4rthling> heap_: replaced-url
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2090[15:40:33] <heap_> what about SCST?
2091[15:40:46] <e4rthling> i dont know it
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2093[15:42:19] <hexnewbie> I found scst pretty nice feature-wise and it's also easy to use. OTOH, it's not in Debian, and I had someone else set it up for me, so that may be a minor obstacle :)
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2101[15:44:08] <heap_> sorry
2102[15:44:13] <heap_> in that case LIO is broken
2103[15:44:25] <heap_> im getting sustatianl disconnects on initiator
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2105[15:44:33] <e4rthling> mhh
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2107[15:45:10] <Posterdati> I've got a problem with jessie on amd64 + systemd: A start job is running for Enable support for additional exe... I experienced freezing with debian latest stable kernel and kernel 4.5.0
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2111[15:47:01] <heap_> last stable release 3y old
2112[15:47:03] <heap_> what a crap
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2116[15:50:34] <CyberpunkZ> i figured out the touchpad not working.. it was simply turn off eh.. fn + f7 shows a little picture on the keyboard not just f7, but a tiny touchpad and shows a hand with a x like saying turn off some reason it was turn off by pressing fn + f7 turn back the touchpad hmm strange
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2120[15:51:28] <CyberpunkZ> new computers in today world lulz not like how they use to be .. turn off touchpad who would wanna do that lulz
2121[15:51:39] <Ouroboros> lots of people
2122[15:51:43] <Ouroboros> touchpads are annoying
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2124[15:51:54] <jmd> Ouroboros: +1
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2126[15:52:03] <CyberpunkZ> beats the purpose of a portable device
2127[15:52:03] <Ouroboros> although i usually turn it off permanently :)
2128[15:52:24] <CyberpunkZ> actually the touchpad on my acer model is pretty good
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2130[15:52:46] <CyberpunkZ> makes it "less stuff" connected to it
2131[15:53:01] <CyberpunkZ> i guess 3 usb ports isn't a lot so using one for a desktop mouse
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2133[15:53:32] <CyberpunkZ> but
2134[15:53:44] <CyberpunkZ> atheros 10k drivers are not on debian 8.3
2135[15:54:47] <CyberpunkZ> now nobody likes their wifi turn off .. wonder why the ath10k firmware wasn't in debian stable
2136[15:54:51] <CyberpunkZ> in the kernel
2137[15:54:57] <TomasCZ> Question, who can describe for me what GIO network refers to? or glib-networking* packages?
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2151[16:00:04] <jeffrin> hello
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2154[16:01:16] <diphuser> I have been trying to setup firewall on a debian server to work with ssh and a http server, but I also need apt-get to work. What am I missing? replaced-url
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2158[16:03:49] <jeffrin> diphuser : see if this helps replaced-url
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2163[16:06:01] <diphuser> jeffrin: I think I have all that already in my rules.
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2169[16:07:36] <markybob> diphuser: you'll have better luck in #netfilter probably
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2171[16:08:06] <TomasCZ> diphuser, what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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2173[16:08:34] <TomasCZ> diphuser, Why not allowing any outgoing connection to port 80/tcp
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2175[16:09:29] <diphuser> all links are http on my /etc/apt/sources.list
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2178[16:09:59] <diphuser> I allow new connections on port 80/tcp
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2180[16:10:22] <diphuser> and related,established connections on any port/protocol
2181[16:10:35] <diphuser> shouldn't it be enough
2182[16:10:46] <TomasCZ> diphuser, shouldn't but it is.
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2185[16:11:19] <diphuser> Let me try that
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2188[16:11:58] <TomasCZ> diphuser, logically. come on, you told your firewall to not let your system connect anywhere on it's own unless it's dns or it's related to already open incoming connection.
2189[16:12:36] <TomasCZ> diphuser, that's what your OUTPUT rules say(including default action if no rule matches = DROP)
2190[16:13:20] <diphuser> there's also a rule for NEW on OUTPUT on 80/tcp
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2192[16:13:32] <TomasCZ> diphuser, perhaps you didn't wanted to be so restrictive? I mean iptables -P OUTPUT DROP might be harsh way for beginner.
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2195[16:14:40] <TomasCZ> diphuser, yes, there are, but those in OUTPUT say it must be from that port 80/tcp and unless it's webserver replying to client sport of any application doing outgoing connection is ALWAYS random by default
2196[16:15:04] <diphuser> I see
2197[16:15:05] <TomasCZ> diphuser, ohh and definetly above 1024 mark
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2199[16:15:21] <diphuser> I didn't know that
2200[16:16:07] <TomasCZ> diphuser, OUTPUT is for outgoing connections. INPUT for incomming. apt-get or wget, curl, git clone etc as long as you execute it on that machine it falls into outgoing not incomming
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2202[16:16:40] <diphuser> any security risk in doing: -F OUPUT and --policy OUTPUT ACCEPT?
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2204[16:17:35] <TomasCZ> diphuser, I'll repeat it again, if you are firewall beginner, you might do better doing ^ exactly(or iptables -P OUTPUT DROP). It will save you a lot of issues and questions to others.
2205[16:17:55] <jeffrin> diphuser : see if this helps replaced-url
2206[16:17:59] <TomasCZ> diphuser, errrr I meant iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT *** ffs
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2209[16:19:00] <TomasCZ> diphuser, like why is ping not working? why tracert always returns ... nothing?
2210[16:19:16] <diphuser> I will probably do that for now then
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2213[16:19:52] <teraflops> I dont think pointing to a silly gui is fine for people trying to understand
2214[16:20:03] <diphuser> jeffrin, it helps, but my issue is not necessarily issuing the correct rules with iptables
2215[16:20:48] <diphuser> it's more about things that I don't know about the underlying protocols and/or systems stuff
2216[16:21:22] <AlexPortable> can someone help me to debug /install.amd/vmlinuz not found?
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2219[16:22:46] <teraflops> Then might be more advisable starting fom simple firewall configs and then going.more complex step by step instead doind drop by default the fisrt time
2220[16:23:11] <teraflops> Doing*
2221[16:23:28] <diphuser> yeah - thanks for the tips everyone
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2223[16:23:39] <TomasCZ> diphuser, ohh, and about that question, security risk. No. as said, OUTPUT is for outgoing connections from your linux box. INPUT is what protects your ports from probes
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2225[16:24:50] <diphuser> So, I'm accepting everything on OUTPUT now, but still no apt-get
2226[16:25:42] <TomasCZ> diphuser, what is your apt-get command?
2227[16:25:51] <TomasCZ> apt-get update?
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2229[16:26:29] <diphuser> yeah
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2232[16:27:05] <diphuser> oh, it worked now
2233[16:27:21] <diphuser> did the same thing with ip6tables
2234[16:27:30] <TomasCZ> rats.
2235[16:27:42] <diphuser> by same thing I meant accepting everything on OUTPUT
2236[16:27:50] <TomasCZ> diphuser, tiny detail .... you missed it in your initial output.
2237[16:27:52] <teraflops> If you want to debug your fw rules you may want to aply them one by one instead the whole ruleset
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2246[16:29:18] <diphuser> yeah, sorry
2247[16:29:19] <diphuser> the config was the same as for iptables
2248[16:29:29] <sda13> Hey guys. Any way of installing the 4.1 kernel in debian stable?? Without having to backport it mysef
2249[16:29:57] <teraflops> sda13: Isn't there?
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2251[16:30:02] <markybob> sda13: jessie-backports has 4.3
2252[16:30:16] <teraflops> Ah
2253[16:30:18] <sda13> teraflops: where?
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2255[16:30:23] <sda13> markybob. I want 4.1
2256[16:30:25] <teraflops> In backports
2257[16:30:28] <sda13> 4.2 + is buggy
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2259[16:30:34] <sda13> on my hw
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2263[16:30:59] <teraflops> sda13: and your hw is....?
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2266[16:31:11] <teraflops> Dont say arm..
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2271[16:32:10] <sda13> e7440
2272[16:32:12] <TomasCZ> teraflops, his hw is nice ! ;-)
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2277[16:32:42] <teraflops> sda13: sorry whats an e7740
2278[16:32:54] <sda13> dell latitude e7440
2279[16:32:59] <teraflops> sda13: ah
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2281[16:33:47] <teraflops> sda13: well, whats wrong compiling yourbown kernel? Debian has tools for doingbit the debian way so you end withbabdebian package
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2283[16:34:04] <teraflops> Doing it* sorry
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2285[16:34:34] <sda13> Time consuming. Coming from Arch...because I want to stop wasting my time compiling stuff
2286[16:34:43] <teraflops> Meh i cant write properly here. Sorry
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2288[16:35:17] <markybob> sda13: don't use make-kpkg like so many people do from reading outdated tutorials. read the kernel handbook and do it the correct way
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2290[16:36:09] <teraflops> sda13: in arch there are only 2 kernels. All the other shit is in aur and you have to compile either way
2291[16:36:21] <sda13> teraflops. I know
2292[16:36:26] <teraflops> So?
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2295[16:36:55] <sda13> I just don't want to compile, anything at all, no matter if it takes 10 minutes or 10 hours
2296[16:37:30] <teraflops> Ah well. Then you have a problem
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2298[16:37:56] <sda13> I guess
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2301[16:39:19] <teraflops> May i ask what's buggy there with 4.2+ kernels?
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2306[16:41:25] <Snicksie> Bert_2: ping?
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2311[16:42:18] <heap_> so any idea why is iscsitarget package broken?
2312[16:42:23] <heap_> debian 8.2
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2317[16:44:55] <Brigo> heap_, why do you think so?
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2323[16:45:15] <heap_> Brigo: because all that i use are crashing
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2325[16:45:35] <heap_> and iscsitarget this crap especially after installation there is a missing kernel module.
2326[16:45:37] <Brigo> heap_, does the package get installed without errors?
2327[16:45:41] <heap_> no
2328[16:45:45] <heap_> with errors.
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2333[16:46:58] <Brigo> heap_, what kernel are you using?
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2336[16:47:56] <heap_> 4.4
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2342[16:50:19] <Brigo> heap_, maybe that's your problem: replaced-url
2343[16:50:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2347[16:52:22] <heap_> this doesnt solve issue
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2350[16:54:06] <heap_> pointless discussion
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2352[16:54:50] <Brigo> heap_, of course, but at least it points you to the solution if you care enought.
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2354[16:56:05] <heap_> Brigo: what solution?
2355[16:56:13] <heap_> there was nothing said about solution
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2357[16:56:15] <heap_> or fix
2358[16:56:56] <heap_> or do i miss something
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2362[16:57:20] <Brigo> Ubuntu got it fixed already with iscsitarget-1.4.20.3+svn499-0ubuntu2.1
2363[16:57:20] <Brigo> You might want to try and apply their fUbuntu got it fixed already with iscsitarget-1.4.20.3+svn499-0ubuntu2.1
2364[16:57:20] <Brigo> You might want to try and apply their fix-build-3.19.patch (removing
2365[16:57:20] <Brigo> the changes to the Makefile).ix-build-3.19.patch (removing
2366[16:57:20] <Brigo> the changes to the Makefile).
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2371[16:57:41] <heap_> Brigo: ah
2372[16:57:42] <Brigo> sorry.
2373[16:57:44] <heap_> but its ubuntu
2374[16:57:46] <heap_> not debian
2375[16:57:55] <heap_> and also i run 4.4 kernel this looks like 3.19
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2379[16:58:13] <heap_> Backport compat changes to allow DKMS compiles for kernels up to 3.19
2380[16:58:20] <Brigo> they were talking about how ubuntu guys solved it and how you can solve it.
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2382[16:58:47] <heap_> Brigo: uhm
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2384[16:58:55] <heap_> Brigo: they solved it somehow by code change
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2386[16:59:02] <heap_> im not a kernel programmer.
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2391[16:59:46] <heap_> Brigo: and they fix it for the 3.19 kerl
2392[16:59:48] <heap_> kernel
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2394[16:59:58] <Brigo> heap_, read it yourself: replaced-url
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2397[17:00:42] <han-solo> hey, is there a pacman game for debian?
2398[17:01:23] <markybob> Brigo: if you don't know how to compile/program how'd you get 4.4 on stable?
2399[17:01:24] <heap_> Brigo: are we in the inf loop?
2400[17:01:25] <Brigo> han-solo, apt-cache search pacman
2401[17:01:31] <markybob> heap_: ^^
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2403[17:01:42] <han-solo> yeah, i did
2404[17:01:47] <han-solo> and there one pacman
2405[17:01:49] <heap_> Brigo: they talks about 3.19
2406[17:01:51] <Brigo> markybob, backports?
2407[17:01:51] <heap_> i run 4.4
2408[17:01:51] <han-solo> but it's no good
2409[17:01:55] <han-solo> any better one?
2410[17:01:56] <markybob> Brigo: that has 4.3
2411[17:02:17] <Brigo> markybob, right.
2412[17:02:38] <heap_> hm
2413[17:02:39] <markybob> Brigo: 4.4 depends on gcc5 so there's no ssb
2414[17:02:48] <Brigo> heap_, 3.19 onwards, anyway, it is the best i can find for you.
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2416[17:03:07] <heap_> Brigo: onwards?
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2418[17:03:41] <Brigo> markybob, i didn't know it, so it will never reach jessie?
2419[17:03:45] <heap_> should i kindly reapeat one more time my question, is there working iscsi target for debian 8.2 running kernel 4.4?
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2424[17:04:33] <markybob> Brigo: i don't know the answer to that but this sounds weird.
2425[17:04:37] <Brigo> heap_, it looks like there isn't. I was just pointing you to the proble, the bug and the workaround.
2426[17:04:56] <Brigo> markybob, yes, i agree.
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2428[17:05:08] <heap_> Brigo: i m not programmer, and i thing workaround was for 3.19 only?
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2435[17:07:11] <heap_> how big linux community is and noone is able to fix that issue in 1-2y period? isnt that crazy.
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2447[17:09:35] <jelly> heap_: you and I are part of said community. Why not learn how to fix it yourself if you need it that much?
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2452[17:10:09] <Brigo> heap_, the problem is not the linux community but the community of users of that package(which seems very littel)
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2459[17:11:50] <heap_> jelly: because i dont have a time /skill and in that case i should buy i working product ... will be much more cheaper for me..
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2461[17:12:19] <heap_> Brigo: but its linux and i assume that there must be XY ppl that need iscsi target
2462[17:12:25] <han-solo> heap_: you're embaressing yourself
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2469[17:14:55] <han-solo> i take that back!
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2473[17:15:44] <jelly> heap_: then buy a working product, TANSTAAFL
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2476[17:16:01] <heap_> ah
2477[17:16:09] <heap_> i was looking for the solution. nothing more.
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2479[17:16:34] <jelly> debian is just a bunch of volunteers, if you want something solved and noone else is doing it, step in
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2484[17:17:20] <jelly> "but I'm not a developer" noone is born being a developer
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2486[17:17:49] <heap_> jelly: i have personall life and other things...
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2490[17:18:03] <jelly> heap_: but people doing debian don't?
2491[17:18:07] <heap_> i was looking for something working and i assumed that is not required only by myself.
2492[17:18:20] <heap_> jelly: i dont know maybe its their hobby
2493[17:18:27] <heap_> if was mine i can contribute...
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2495[17:18:58] <tako> Debian is awesome isnt it
2496[17:19:02] <heap_> or is there other enterprise distro where these things should work?
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2498[17:19:35] <jelly> there are several distros that offer paid support, ubuntu, rhel, suse, probably more
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2500[17:20:37] <han-solo> is 'apt-get remove --purge' is the right way to remove an installed package?
2501[17:20:41] <han-solo> to completely remove a package?
2502[17:20:53] <TomasCZ> heap_, sorry wasn't reading all the chat, but did you try to search around for iscsi topic?
2503[17:21:01] <zykotick9> han-solo: fyi, "apt-get purge foo" is shorter to type.
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2505[17:21:05] <jelly> han-solo: yes
2506[17:21:10] <tako> han-solo, yes
2507[17:21:18] <han-solo> ok
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2509[17:21:21] <han-solo> Thanks
2510[17:21:29] <TomasCZ> heap_, like debian related question? apt-cache search iscsi ?
2511[17:21:49] <TomasCZ> heap_, or ubuntu related, since ubuntu is ~= debian
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2513[17:22:04] <jelly> TomasCZ: wrong place for ubuntu related questions.
2514[17:22:05] <heap_> yes i tried.
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2520[17:24:58] <heap_> TomasCZ: why?
2521[17:24:58] <jelly> heap_: were I in your place I'd try using the mentioned workaround for 3.19 to your environment
2522[17:25:18] <heap_> jelly: but what workaround do you mean?
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2524[17:25:44] <heap_> maybe i dont have enought experience and can see it
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2530[17:28:51] <TomasCZ> heap_, I mentioned ubuntu only because there is company behind it, they have iso's for cloud and so on. Userbase is bigger. And since it is based on ubuntu if you find tutorial/howto for their system it might just work for debian too
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2532[17:29:15] <TomasCZ> based on debian **
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2535[17:29:26] <heap_> the core things are broken
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2538[17:31:10] <TomasCZ> heap_, ouch then. I guess you could try different distro if they got it right? for testing purposes. or debian testing?
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2544[17:33:34] <heap_> using lio im getting
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2554[17:35:03] <han-solo> heap_: use pastebin from now on :)
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2557[17:35:52] <han-solo> heap_?
2558[17:36:15] <heap_> ok
2559[17:36:20] <heap_> replaced-url
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2561[17:37:10] <heap_> i think i have to buy synology or some "enteprise" solution
2562[17:37:22] <heap_> will never make it works in linux...
2563[17:37:36] <heap_> when you fix one bug another 5 appear
2564[17:37:47] <npo> tru
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2566[17:38:03] <han-solo> it's just....
2567[17:38:15] <heap_> just?
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2569[17:38:37] <han-solo> how it is :)
2570[17:38:47] <heap_> yes
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2572[17:38:57] <heap_> using linux was good while was a kid.
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2574[17:39:09] <heap_> i mean distros as debian etc..
2575[17:39:13] <han-solo> what changed?
2576[17:39:13] <heap_> wheere you dont pay..
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2578[17:39:26] <heap_> han-solo: u cant get anything stable if u dont pay?
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2581[17:41:08] * zykotick9 doesn't run a 4.4 kernel on machines he wants to be stable....
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2595[17:46:30] <MaBunny> hey guys
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2597[17:46:55] <MaBunny> what are the package sources for debian jessie?i mean all of them
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2599[17:47:21] <MaBunny> currently i hav jessie-backports and jessie main in my sources.list
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2602[17:49:39] <zykotick9> MaBunny: you can see "/msg dpkg sources" for the base stuff. i'm not sure what you mean by "all of them"? for instance, do you actually use anything from jessie-backports? if not, there is no reason to have it (unless you're doing <ssb> stuff?)
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2605[17:50:03] <MaBunny> yes i use codeblocks
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2608[17:51:01] <zykotick9> MaBunny: ok, just checkin' are you familiar with "/msg -Freenode dpkg dontbreakdebian" if not, i'd give it a glance ;)
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2615[17:52:14] <MaBunny> ok
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2634[18:00:40] <stakewinner00> which are the possible problems of increase fs.file-max too much, or better question, why fs.file-max are not unlimited?
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2654[18:05:34] <heap_> zykotick9: what version do u run?
2655[18:06:27] <TomTomTosch> stakewinner00, because your system does not have unlimited memory. it's a small bit of protection.
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2657[18:07:17] <zykotick9> heap_: stable... always stable ;) actually, yesterday i had testing installed for a short period - to try the freedombox pure blend... during a very short time i had a system lockup :( freedombox wasn't quite ready for "prime time" IMO, so i reinstalled stable ;)
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2660[18:08:09] * zykotick9 recently saw a talk/demo of freedombox and wanted to give it a try
2661[18:08:21] <stakewinner00> TomTomTosch, i set it to 999999999999999999999 (maximum value¿?), restarted the vm, and it still have a lot of free memory,
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2663[18:09:07] <heap_> zykotick9: what version?
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2672[18:10:25] <astartoth> hi all
2673[18:10:35] <zykotick9> heap_: what version of what? kernel 3.16 debian stable = 8.3 = jessie
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2675[18:10:51] <stakewinner00> ok, i see, my error
2676[18:10:55] <TomTomTosch> stakewinner00, right...
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2683[18:13:30] <MaBunny> hey guys hav you played #pioneerspacesim
2684[18:14:08] <MaBunny> i hav went to their channel on freenode and they told me to download the latest files from github
2685[18:14:59] <MaBunny> the question is tht,after reading the dontbreakdebian webpage,i hav doubts to whether downloading the package from the net and installing it on my jessie
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2688[18:15:40] <MaBunny> i dont think its a bad package,its just a game,but i want to ask you guys if anyone of you hav tried it b4
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2692[18:16:47] <hermande> Anybody have experience with icinga?
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2694[18:17:57] <at0m> dpkg: tell hermande about anyone
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2697[18:18:31] <hermande> at0m, Thanks...
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2699[18:18:35] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, looks fine if you build it from source. they have a build guide on their site. 1.1 Linux - Autotools is what you need to do.
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2702[18:18:59] <MaBunny> thnx,so its fine to play tht game?ok
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2704[18:19:16] <hermande> How do you setup a icinga master to monitor a firewall and systems behind the said firewall. The docs are very vague.
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2708[18:20:29] <Pinchiukas> How can I search for virtual packages?
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2714[18:21:34] <jhutchins> MaBunny: You might make a backup before you build it, and maybe use one of the build wrappers to contain the process, make it uninstallable.
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2716[18:21:44] <jhutchins> MaBunny: As in removable.
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2718[18:22:05] <MaBunny> how do i make it uninstallable?
2719[18:22:34] <TomTomTosch> their instructions don't install. gimme a sec and i will download it and have a look.
2720[18:22:49] <jhutchins> MaBunny: Trying to think of the name of that program... It captures the "make install" process so it can be reversed.
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2722[18:23:00] <MaBunny> ok
2723[18:23:01] <jhutchins> MaBunny: If it's a nice program it will have an uninstall target in the makefile.
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2726[18:23:30] <TomTomTosch> their instructions don't contain a make install :P
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2728[18:23:35] <bazhang> checkinstall jhutchins
2729[18:23:38] <jhutchins> MaBunny: The thing is that with third party software, it can throw file anywhere, and overwrite existing libraries.
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2733[18:23:55] <MaBunny> no their main download package is in github
2734[18:24:02] <bazhang> ,v checkinstall
2735[18:24:03] <judd> Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.2-1; stretch: 1.6.2-4; jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; wheezy: 1.6.2-4
2736[18:24:14] <MaBunny> and they hav a configure>make>make/install
2737[18:24:15] <jhutchins> bazhang: Thank you.
2738[18:24:41] <bazhang> MaBunny, just play it with GOG or steam
2739[18:25:03] <MaBunny> ok
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2741[18:25:41] <MaBunny> so ill checkinstall it
2742[18:25:46] <bazhang> some of those older games can be played in abrowser even
2743[18:26:03] <MaBunny> ok,looking for a guide on tht on the net
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2755[18:29:11] <TomTomTosch> building it would be just fine. replaced-url
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2758[18:29:58] <n-st> hi, i've created /etc/update-motd.d on jessie and populated it with the 00-header script used by ubuntu, but it doesn't show up when i connect via ssh...
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2760[18:30:05] <n-st> /etc/pam.d/sshd contains session optional pam_motd.so motd=/run/motd.dynamic, but it seems to create /run/motd instead
2761[18:30:11] <n-st> what am i missing here?
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2775[18:38:41] <thinky> hi there
2776[18:38:50] <thinky> having problem with adding user in debian
2777[18:38:54] <thinky> fresh installed 8.3
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2780[18:39:05] <Bert_2> test
2781[18:39:16] <aedinius> thinky: what's the problem?
2782[18:39:29] <thinky> i logged in to terminal with root, and then i did " user ALL(ALL:ALL) ALL
2783[18:39:34] <thinky> but nothing happened
2784[18:39:47] <thinky> after nano /etc/sudoers
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2786[18:40:02] <thinky> aedinius: can not use terminal with my regular user name
2787[18:40:07] <jelly> thinky: you're missing a = sign in there somewhere
2788[18:40:22] <n-st> thinky: *never* edit /etc/sudoers directly
2789[18:40:27] <thinky> jelly: no i did what exactly said in google search
2790[18:40:27] <n-st> thinky: use viduso
2791[18:40:36] <jelly> visudo *
2792[18:40:38] <thinky> there was =
2793[18:40:45] * zykotick9 thinks adding users to the sudo group is a lot easier...
2794[18:40:55] <thinky> what is the easy way?
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2796[18:40:56] <n-st> thanks, jelly
2797[18:41:04] <n-st> i typo that 70% of the time
2798[18:41:07] <markybob> thinky: anyway, assuming you just pasted the wrong thing, you still need to log out and back in for it to work
2799[18:41:11] <thinky> i also tried " sudo adduser user sudo
2800[18:41:25] <aedinius> usermod -a -G sudo user
2801[18:41:36] <thinky> grrr
2802[18:41:38] <jelly> thinky: your user needs to log off and back on after " adduser user sudo"
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2804[18:41:48] <zykotick9> thinky: you can't use sudo with adduser, you need to be root and have a # prompt
2805[18:42:00] <thinky> i did that also jelly :S logged off and came back but same..
2806[18:42:16] <thinky> zykotick9: i was root while i was trying to adduser ..
2807[18:42:21] <jelly> thinky: okay. what does "id -a" say when you're logged in as the new user?
2808[18:42:47] <thinky> i need to login there
2809[18:42:52] <thinky> i am on dual boot now
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2811[18:43:03] <thinky> first i need to install flash to come to here ..
2812[18:43:09] <thinky> how can i do that? as a root?
2813[18:43:11] <jelly> huh?
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2815[18:43:39] <jelly> thinky: use a normal irc client like hexchat or irssi, don't need flash
2816[18:43:40] <thinky> jelly: i mean, i freshly installed debian and i am a newbie..
2817[18:43:51] <thinky> can i come via webchat?
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2819[18:44:08] <aedinius> yeah, and the webchat doesn't use flash
2820[18:44:14] <thinky> ok then let me try
2821[18:44:15] <thinky> thx
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2830[18:46:32] <thinky> back on debian
2831[18:47:03] <thinky> i have a lot of problems.
2832[18:47:18] <TomTomTosch> don't we all?
2833[18:47:37] <aedinius> Some more than others.
2834[18:47:42] <thinky> 1. i cant add myself in sudoers. 2. it doesnt recognize wife. 3. cant add another language
2835[18:47:58] <thinky> wifi - not wife lol
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2837[18:48:13] <thinky> typing on weird keyboard
2838[18:48:13] <aedinius> I don't think I can help with #2
2839[18:48:17] <thinky> lol aedinius
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2841[18:48:49] <aedinius> #1 should be an easy fix. As root, run: usermod -a -G sudo user
2842[18:48:51] <n-st> solution for 2 is easy: if debian doesn't want you to have a wife, get rid of wife :)
2843[18:48:58] <TomTomTosch> thinky, you can't use sudo if you have not added yourself to sodoers.
2844[18:48:59] <thinky> let me try aedinius
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2847[18:49:21] <n-st> life's all about priorities
2848[18:49:23] <thinky> su root
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2852[18:49:37] <n-st> Please enter the password for root:
2853[18:49:47] * zykotick9 wonders if there is an easy way to restore thinky's default sudoers file... after the reported "nano /etc/sudoers" command?
2854[18:49:52] <aedinius> *******
2855[18:49:54] <thinky> done aedinius but nothing happened
2856[18:49:59] <aedinius> thinky: nothing happened?
2857[18:50:07] <thinky> i mean just entered usermod -a -G sudo user
2858[18:50:22] <thinky> nothing happened i think
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2860[18:50:26] <markybob> thinky: you realize you need to log out and back in, right?
2861[18:50:27] <thinky> it didnt say anything
2862[18:50:30] <aedinius> grep user /etc/group
2863[18:50:35] <n-st> thinky: changes to a user's groups take effect upon next login (or next time opening a shell, inside that shell)
2864[18:50:36] <aedinius> Of course it won't say anything
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2866[18:50:54] <thinky> so should i grep user /etc/group ?
2867[18:51:01] <thinky> or log out ?
2868[18:51:03] <zykotick9> aedinius: <sidenote> i personally think giving the adduser command is safer than usermod... "adduser User_foo Group_foo"
2869[18:51:15] <markybob> thinky: both
2870[18:51:23] <aedinius> zykotick9: I'd not seen that option for adduse rbeofre
2871[18:51:25] <thinky> ok let me brb
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2874[18:51:46] <aedinius> got some seriously lag going on right now
2875[18:51:49] <n-st> zykotick9: if all else fails `apt-get --purge remove sudo && apt-get install sudo`
2876[18:51:49] <zykotick9> aedinius: _if_ someone leaves off the -a in the usermod command, things to bad quick ;)
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2878[18:51:57] <aedinius> zykotick9: Very true.
2879[18:52:10] <zykotick9> n-st: i'm not _sure_ that would replace the modified config?!?!
2880[18:52:24] <n-st> zykotick9: purging it should delete the config
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2882[18:52:36] <thinky> back
2883[18:52:42] <n-st> you could rm /etc/sudoers to be sure...
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2885[18:53:02] <n-st> (not you, thinky)
2886[18:53:03] <zykotick9> n-st: don't do that before purging though!
2887[18:53:12] <thinky> i did already what u said n-st :p
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2890[18:53:25] <thinky> well now what should i do?
2891[18:53:34] <thinky> i am on terminal as a root
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2893[18:53:38] <n-st> well, oops :D
2894[18:53:48] <n-st> thinky: apt-get --purge remove sudo
2895[18:53:55] <n-st> thinky: after that, apt-get install sudo
2896[18:54:05] <n-st> thinky: ⇒ fresh sudoers file for you :)
2897[18:54:17] <aedinius> Did he... test to see if sudo worked
2898[18:54:24] <n-st> and don't close the root shell until you've tested you can open another one!
2899[18:54:28] <thinky> Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.3.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20160123-19:03' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
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2901[18:54:44] <zykotick9> n-st: i'm worried not this will be a <confmiss> situation :|
2902[18:54:44] <n-st> but ... you're online ....
2903[18:54:47] <markybob> aedinius: heh
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2905[18:55:01] <markybob> aedinius: actually a good question
2906[18:55:05] <n-st> zykotick9: it should continue with a warning though, right?
2907[18:55:27] <thinky> what should i do now?
2908[18:55:32] <n-st> zykotick9: gonna tias, hang on
2909[18:55:35] <thinky> i downloaded 3 dvd iso
2910[18:55:41] <aedinius> thinky: try using sudo as your user now
2911[18:55:42] <thinky> but it just installed debian with dvd 1
2912[18:56:14] <thinky> m@thinkm-debian:~$ sudo apt-get update bash: sudo: command not found m@thinkm-debian:~$
2913[18:56:31] <markybob> well apt-get install sudo as root
2914[18:56:50] <n-st> zykotick9: apt-get remove sudo works, even after deleting /etc/sudoers
2915[18:57:11] <n-st> doesn't even through a warning (other than "you're about to lock yourself out, are you sure?")
2916[18:57:12] <zykotick9> n-st: /etc/sudoers is present after reinstall?
2917[18:57:17] <thinky> root@thinkm-debian:/home/m# sudo apt-get install sudo bash: sudo: command not found root@thinkm-debian:/home/m#
2918[18:57:29] <zykotick9> thinky: "apt-get install sudo"
2919[18:57:29] <markybob> thinky: no. dont use sudo to install sudo
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2921[18:57:37] <n-st> zykotick9: yup, it's there
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2923[18:58:12] <thinky> replaced-url
2924[18:58:25] <zykotick9> is this ubuntu?
2925[18:58:36] <thinky> just a pastebin
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2927[18:59:44] <jhutchins> /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/
2928[19:00:03] <thinky> what am i going to do now :S
2929[19:00:06] <aedinius> thinky: do you have anything else package wise going on?
2930[19:00:17] <thinky> nothing
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2932[19:00:43] <aedinius> try the apt-get install again
2933[19:00:46] <jhutchins> thinky: You could copy one of the files from that directory, or you could create one from scratch using the manpage and visudo to validate it, or you could set the root password.
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2936[19:01:22] <thinky> jhutchins: replaced-url
2937[19:01:23] <jhutchins> markybob: Why would you not use sudo to install sudi?
2938[19:01:24] <thinky> same
2939[19:01:51] <markybob> jhutchins: because i'm not drunk yet
2940[19:02:01] <markybob> thinky: given your skillset just reboot
2941[19:02:09] <thinky> ok
2942[19:02:16] <thinky> brb
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2944[19:02:25] <jhutchins> thinky: THat's asking me for a login.
2945[19:02:41] <jhutchins> !paste
2946[19:02:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2949[19:02:58] <TomTomTosch> smells like troll.
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2955[19:04:50] <jhutchins> thinky: Try paste.debian.net, yours requires a login.
2956[19:05:05] <thinky> ok jhutchins
2957[19:05:20] <thinky> it asked for debian installation disk now i am waiting for that
2958[19:05:32] <jhutchins> I probably HAVE an Ubuntu login somewhere...
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2960[19:05:37] <thinky> installed sudo now
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2962[19:06:06] <thinky> it is working :D
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2964[19:06:16] <markybob> thank god
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2966[19:06:20] <jhutchins> thinky: Many programs will have a default/example configuration file under /usr/share/doc/<program>. You can often just copy that to the active directory.
2967[19:06:34] <thinky> hmm
2968[19:06:41] <jhutchins> thinky: The default for Debian sudo is pretty complicated and has lots of stuff you'll never need.
2969[19:07:11] <thinky> is that why we removed it and install again?
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2971[19:07:44] <thinky> by the way while i am installing debian i chose other interfaces too. now i have a lot of terminal versions
2972[19:07:46] <thinky> mate
2973[19:07:53] <thinky> cinnamon
2974[19:07:54] <thinky> etc
2975[19:08:00] <thinky> i just wanna use gnome classic
2976[19:08:06] <thinky> how can i delete others ?
2977[19:08:07] <swift110-phone> Mate
2978[19:08:23] <thinky> mate terminal
2979[19:08:28] <thinky> xfce terminal
2980[19:08:32] <thinky> and terminal
2981[19:08:37] <thinky> i dont need many terminals
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2983[19:09:48] <jhutchins> thinky: Are you short on space?
2984[19:10:01] <thinky> yes
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2987[19:10:15] <jhutchins> THere's also xterm.
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2989[19:10:55] <jhutchins> thinky: You can remove them. If they installed as part of a desktop they may want to remove other stuff too.
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2993[19:11:34] <thinky> i regret choosing all of them
2994[19:12:03] <jhutchins> thinky: You can remove them, and install them agian later one at a time if you like.
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2996[19:12:10] <jelly> thinky: something like «dpkg -l task\*desktop | grep ^.i» will show which desktop environments you have installed
2997[19:12:12] <thinky> how can i remove?
2998[19:12:13] <jhutchins> !remove xfce
2999[19:12:23] <jhutchins> !remove gnome
3000[19:12:23] <dpkg> To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
3001[19:12:28] <thinky> hm
3002[19:12:36] <jhutchins> !remove kde
3003[19:12:37] <dpkg> To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
3004[19:12:53] <jelly> jhutchins: the gnome factoid is very outdated
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3007[19:13:10] <thinky> but i gnome classic look in ubuntu
3008[19:13:10] <jhutchins> jelly: Gnome gets it's fingers into everything.
3009[19:13:11] <markybob> and he wants gnome
3010[19:13:23] <thinky> i love -
3011[19:13:33] <jhutchins> Nonetheless, those are examples of how to do it in general.
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3013[19:13:48] <jelly> jhutchins: there's nothing fucking general about any of those
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3016[19:14:13] <jelly> it's all very specific, and dated about ~wheezy or so
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3022[19:15:45] <zykotick9> jelly: actually wheezy used gnome3 so ~squeeze i'd guess
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3024[19:16:00] <thinky2> installed chrome
3025[19:16:17] <jelly> jhutchins: many of the factoids are outdated; best try not confusing users, verify them before doing !stuff in the channel
3026[19:16:20] <thinky2> how can i set my Wifi connection?
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3029[19:17:33] <dontknow> thinky2, what is it to do with chrome?
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3031[19:18:07] <thinky> nothing
3032[19:18:10] <thinky> i just like it
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3035[19:18:25] <thinky> debian doesnt recognize my wifi connection
3036[19:18:29] <thinky> how can i set it?
3037[19:18:52] <zykotick9> thinky: in a terminal, does "lspci -nn | grep -i net" show your wifi?
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3041[19:21:01] <jhutchins> jelly: If they are known to be obsolete, perhaps they should be deleted.
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3043[19:21:29] <thinky2> it shows network adapter
3044[19:21:34] <thinky2> intel centrino 9200
3045[19:21:39] <jhutchins> jelly: I had thought the gnome one was more current than 2.
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3047[19:21:57] <heap_> hi where i can get targetcli.service file?
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3051[19:22:28] <heap_> its not part of the debian package
3052[19:22:32] <heap_> replaced-url
3053[19:22:34] <thinky2> how can i set it?
3054[19:22:36] <thinky2> wifi ?
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3057[19:22:56] <jhutchins> thinky: Is it a laptop?
3058[19:23:11] <zykotick9> thinky: thinky2 i'd "guess" you probably have an intel wireless card as well... but that's just a guess. FYI, intel-wifi will need drivers from non-free repo. best of luck...
3059[19:23:40] <Brigo> heap_, there is not such file in jessie packages.
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3061[19:23:43] <markybob> thinky2: it would be really helpful if you pastebin what zykotick9 asked for. this is probably what you need replaced-url
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3063[19:23:53] <markybob> thinky2: then reboot
3064[19:23:58] <Brigo> heap_, nor wheezy, i guess.
3065[19:24:13] <thinky2> zykotick9: that s the problem.. why cant i set debian recognize my system like ubuntu ?
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3067[19:24:18] <heap_> Brigo: then where is the file ;-)
3068[19:24:33] <markybob> thinky2: it would have if you had used the firmware installer like you should have
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3070[19:25:10] <thinky2> markybob: replaced-url
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3072[19:25:19] <zykotick9> thinky2: fyi, there is an unofficial debian netinst that includes many of the non-free drivers/firmware for wifi out of the box... something to think about for next time. debian doesn't unclue non-free software/drivers by default, ubuntu probably does - that's the difference.
3073[19:25:42] <Brigo> heap_, maybe systemd creates it at boot time.
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3075[19:25:51] <heap_> Brigo: nope
3076[19:26:02] <markybob> thinky2: yep. wiki i sent you will make that work
3077[19:26:16] <thinky2> ok
3078[19:26:22] <thinky2> let me check if i can install them
3079[19:26:44] <Brigo> heap_, of course not, it is not a service. :)
3080[19:26:46] <heap_> this is insane
3081[19:26:50] <zykotick9> thinky2: according to judd & the pciid your wireless should work! you'll need iwlwifi as markybob linked above.
3082[19:27:10] <jhutchins> heap_: Maybe it's called something else in Debian, or maybe you just need to not load the GUI target.
3083[19:27:13] <LinuxGuy2020> Hello is there an app that can be installed in mate desktop to allow flipping the mouse scroll direction for use in certain applications?
3084[19:27:33] <heap_> Brigo: i dont know configuration disappear each time system gets rebooted... everyone says it has to be enabled by service to prebent that conf lost
3085[19:27:44] <thinky2> hmm
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3088[19:27:51] <LinuxGuy2020> I know KDE has this built in and I think XFCE if I remember correctly so I know its possible somehow.
3089[19:27:52] <heap_> man
3090[19:27:55] <heap_> debian is "MESS"
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3092[19:28:12] <markybob> heap_: you don't have to use it
3093[19:28:25] <heap_> markybob: i dont have a time to change
3094[19:28:28] <heap_> but sure will do soon
3095[19:28:46] <heap_> i need a system not shit
3096[19:29:04] <Brigo> heap_, you mean Multi Environment Switching System? :)
3097[19:29:22] <thinky2> cant install them
3098[19:29:23] <heap_> no one working linux crap
3099[19:29:46] <heap_> no,*
3100[19:29:54] <thinky2> replaced-url
3101[19:29:56] <zykotick9> i hope MESS and MAME get moved to main soon.
3102[19:31:14] <markybob> thinky2: no. you nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and then add "deb replaced-url
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3104[19:31:51] <markybob> thinky2: and you need to be root or use sudo
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3106[19:32:17] <thinky2> i am sudoer ! :p
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3108[19:32:30] <markybob> thinky2: yeah. you need to use sudo for it to work
3109[19:32:32] <markybob> jesus
3110[19:32:41] <thinky2> hmm
3111[19:32:44] <thinky2> sudo deb?
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3113[19:32:55] <markybob> thinky2: no. sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
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3115[19:33:07] <maroloccio> hi. on jessie, which gnome theme maximises my screen real estate on a 12" laptop?
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3119[19:33:50] <maroloccio> i would prefer to use gnome rather than xfce, which is compact enough but lacks some needed features..
3120[19:34:08] <JyZyXEL> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
3121[19:34:09] <swift110-phone> Mate'
3122[19:34:18] <JyZyXEL> did debian mozilla team discontinue iceweasel?
3123[19:34:23] <UNIXwz0r> any idea how to get qualcomm atheros 9377 drivers to work aka ath10k_pci i got the firmware install and load the module
3124[19:34:29] <zykotick9> thinky2: <note> you _should_ already have a "deb FOO jess main" line, but add the "contrib non-free" to the line you already have for the main repo. you should perhaps paste your sources.list after you're finished editing.
3125[19:34:30] <UNIXwz0r> but it still doesn't work
3126[19:34:31] <thinky2> replaced-url
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3128[19:34:48] <H4ndy> dont they want to switch back to regular Firefox and Thunderbird?
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3131[19:35:19] <TomTomTosch> JyZyXEL, yes. they did a while ago.
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3133[19:35:29] <heap_> so were i can find this file?
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3135[19:35:30] <zykotick9> thinky2: i'm guessing you installed without internet! you need to add some stuff to your file!
3136[19:35:30] <JyZyXEL> TomTomTosch: where is the memo on this?
3137[19:35:35] <JyZyXEL> and whats the alternative now?
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3139[19:35:52] <zykotick9> !sources
3140[19:35:52] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
3141[19:35:58] <zykotick9> thinky2: see above.
3142[19:36:05] <thinky2> ok :S
3143[19:36:11] <maroloccio> is anybody running gnome on a 12" screen?
3144[19:36:14] <TomTomTosch> JyZyXEL, it's firefox now. you can read the duscussion here: replaced-url
3145[19:36:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3148[19:36:31] <JyZyXEL> TomTomTosch: then what is this: replaced-url
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3150[19:36:43] <JyZyXEL> 45.0.1, thats very recent?
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3152[19:36:53] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Inexplicably they renamed the package in backports and didn't provide any transitional hooks.
3153[19:37:11] <JyZyXEL> oh it actually name firefox
3154[19:37:14] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: I haven't checked yet to see if installing Firefox from backports removes iceweasel.
3155[19:37:30] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Yes. They made up.
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3160[19:38:19] <heap_> man this is insane shit
3161[19:38:34] <heap_> everyone is describing in howto that file but its nowehre
3162[19:38:53] * heap_ cant believe just cant
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3164[19:39:08] <TomTomTosch> heap_, we can't help you if you don't give us any iformation.
3165[19:39:12] <thm> any dotdeb user here?
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3167[19:39:30] <JyZyXEL> why do they make huge decisions like this and don't even make sure that users are informed about them?
3168[19:39:36] <heap_> TomTomTosch: what information? i clearly said i need targetcli.service to register it with systemctl
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3170[19:40:02] <jhutchins> heap_: systemd is new and still very much in transition.
3171[19:40:12] <heap_> god.
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3173[19:40:20] <TomTomTosch> heap_, and we clearly said, it's not there. tell us what you want to do, not what you think needs to be done.
3174[19:40:21] <heap_> lets transit that shit to hell
3175[19:40:23] <heap_> apparently.
3176[19:40:28] <thinky2> nothing happens
3177[19:40:40] <heap_> TomTomTosch: i need to restore configuration after reboot
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3179[19:40:46] <heap_> i dont have any more details.
3180[19:40:56] <heap_> replaced-url
3181[19:41:01] <zykotick9> thinky2: can you pastebin your sources.list now.
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3183[19:41:10] <thinky2> brb
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3185[19:41:20] <Pinchiukas> I'm trying to automate debootstrap and I need a way to automatically select a kernel. Any ideas how I can do that?
3186[19:41:35] <thm> I wonder how I would use pecl with pho7 from dotdeb.
3187[19:41:44] <TomTomTosch> heap_, and you are confused that RHEL tutorials don't work on debian?
3188[19:41:47] <jhutchins> heap_: Try just disabling graphical.target
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3190[19:41:53] <heap_> TomTomTosch: no.
3191[19:42:04] <heap_> TomTomTosch: each howto/doc says it requires that file
3192[19:42:05] <jhutchins> heap_: That's essentially the same as the strategy in init, just don't load the DM.
3193[19:42:17] <heap_> dm?
3194[19:42:19] <JyZyXEL> they did use Replaces: iceweasel
3195[19:42:20] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell thm about dotdeb
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3197[19:42:22] <JyZyXEL> didn't*
3198[19:42:31] <jhutchins> heap_: gdm, whatever display manager.
3199[19:42:38] <heap_> i dont have any display manager?
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3202[19:42:52] <heap_> whats connection with display manager here?
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3204[19:43:10] <jhutchins> heap_: The login/greeter, and I'm talking about how you turn off the GUI if you're in init instead of systemd.
3205[19:43:14] <thinky> sorry pc got frozen
3206[19:43:38] <heap_> jhutchins: i dont understand what are you talking about. sorry.
3207[19:43:50] <jhutchins> heap_: Me too.
3208[19:44:03] <heap_> then dont reply with random stuff
3209[19:44:13] <thinky> how can be sure if i added correctly?
3210[19:44:18] <jhutchins> heap_: It's not random.
3211[19:44:27] <thm> zykotick9: ok.
3212[19:44:38] <heap_> jhutchins: it doesnt make any sense.
3213[19:45:00] <heap_> im talking about targetcli.service and on system without any DM
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3215[19:45:11] <jhutchins> heap_: Let me review: disable the graphical.target and you'll probably get the result you want. You probably don't need a cli.target
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3218[19:45:40] <heap_> i dont have any graphical.target???
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3220[19:45:52] <jhutchins> heap_: Ok.
3221[19:46:09] <heap_> graphical.target static
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3224[19:46:21] <heap_> why should i disable something static there
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3226[19:47:06] <thinky> what was the command? nano /etc ?
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3237[19:50:21] <heap_> eh
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3239[19:50:42] <heap_> that was really "usefull"
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3242[19:51:44] <zykotick9> thinky: can you run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and post the url
3243[19:51:47] <TomTomTosch> being a jerk is probably not how you'll get the best help.
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3246[19:52:14] <thinky> Reading package lists... Done m@thinkm-debian:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 replaced-url
3247[19:52:21] <heap_> TomTomTosch: probably.
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3250[19:53:11] <thinky> no sound also :S
3251[19:53:19] <thinky> debian doesnt recognize anything
3252[19:53:21] <heap_> its not my faulse that i have that crap installed there
3253[19:53:26] <heap_> fault*
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3255[19:53:36] <zykotick9> thinky: your sources.list is still _very_ broken... the line with "deb cdrom..." should probably be commented out (have a # put at beginning). but you NEED to add the various online repos
3256[19:53:42] <zykotick9> !sources
3257[19:53:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3259[19:54:29] <thinky> zykotick9: what was the command nano etc ?
3260[19:54:36] <thinky> to reach that direction
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3262[19:54:47] <zykotick9> thinky: as root "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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3265[19:55:18] <zykotick9> thinky: OR, as user "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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3271[19:56:27] <thinky> zykotick9: replaced-url
3272[19:56:34] <thinky> where and how should i add " deb " :
3273[19:56:35] <thinky> ?
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3276[19:57:21] <Pinchiukas> How do I programatically determine the architecture of the kernel that I need to install?
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3280[19:58:03] <thinky> zykotick9: replaced-url
3281[19:58:08] <thinky> at the end of the latest line?
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3286[19:59:50] <zykotick9> thinky: put a # at the start of the "deb cdrom..." line, then add the following 3 lines to the bottom, as dpkg mentions above replaced-url
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3292[20:00:20] <TomTomTosch> Pinchiukas, what keeps you from calling uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' ?
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3298[20:02:19] <thinky> zykotick9: replaced-url
3299[20:02:22] <thinky> is it ok now?
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3301[20:02:26] <TomTomTosch> Pinchiukas, you can exec a shell from c or python or whatever you use.
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3305[20:04:20] <zykotick9> thinky: no. you have stuff repeated now - and one "deb cdrom ..." line still isn't commented out. but you have to remove/comment the lines that are the same now.
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3307[20:05:46] <thinky> i dont know how to do that :S
3308[20:05:52] <heap_> replaced-url
3309[20:05:53] <heap_> the file
3310[20:06:22] <heap_> that apparently monky that maintain package removed but no idea why
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3314[20:07:09] <jmcnaught> heap_: it could be because targetcli isn't in jessie and you're looking at a wheezy package
3315[20:07:23] <zykotick9> thinky: i'm sorry - i don't think i'm able to help you further... this file should have 3 (just three) lines that don't start with # currently you have 9
3316[20:07:57] <heap_> jmcnaught: i dont know targetctli is completely broken in debian.
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3320[20:09:44] <jmcnaught> heap_: it looks like it was removed from testing sometime before jessie became stable
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3323[20:10:44] <heap_> to remove something is not a solution.
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3325[20:12:20] <heap_> if someone randomly remove this and that
3326[20:12:26] <heap_> who can use system like that
3327[20:12:27] <heap_> eh
3328[20:12:28] <jmcnaught> heap_: you could try backporting the package from unstable, but i bet you'll have to do the process for more than one. "/msg dpkg ssb" for a quick how-to do this
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3332[20:13:27] <jmcnaught> heap_: while jessie was in development there was a policy of package auto-removals if their serious bugs were not fixed in time for release. not sure the exact story for this package, if you check the debian package tracker and BTS there are probably answers
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3336[20:13:52] <thinky> thx for your help zykotick9
3337[20:14:03] <zykotick9> thinky: best of luck.
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3339[20:14:15] <heap_> jmcnaught: ok
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3341[20:14:28] <thinky> i think i will go back ubuntu
3342[20:14:32] <heap_> where is systemctl looking for xy.service files?
3343[20:14:32] <thinky> it is difficult for me
3344[20:14:40] <heap_> thinky: good idea.
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3346[20:15:07] <jmcnaught> heap_: the various paths are listed in systemd.unit(5)
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3348[20:15:56] <jmcnaught> thinky: you can get the hang of it. i think if you spend some time reading Debian's manuals and wiki it'll all start to make sense :)
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3351[20:16:05] <heap_> but apparently noone works as expected.
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3353[20:16:14] <thinky> i am stuck
3354[20:16:18] <thinky> i cant move
3355[20:16:37] <heap_> i stored it into /etc/systemd/user
3356[20:16:48] <thinky> if i get wifi and sound at least
3357[20:16:49] <thinky> by now
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3359[20:16:58] <thinky> i could get rest and watch a movie on debian
3360[20:16:58] <heap_> thinky: install ubuntu.
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3362[20:17:14] <heap_> and you can escape all that pain
3363[20:17:19] <thinky> heap_: are u trying to get rid of me? :l
3364[20:17:31] <heap_> no...
3365[20:17:35] <jmcnaught> heap_: probably not helping
3366[20:17:40] <TomTomTosch> thinky, just the usual troll.
3367[20:17:52] <thinky> lol no problem
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3369[20:17:55] <heap_> TomTomTosch: eh...
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3371[20:18:08] <TomTomTosch> thinky, if you have the time i can maybe help you get wifi working.
3372[20:18:29] <heap_> jmcnaught: not helping what?
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3374[20:18:47] <jmcnaught> heap_: your comments to thinky, no need to discourage people
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3377[20:19:07] <heap_> jmcnaught: i can see how it works.
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3379[20:19:19] <heap_> and how full of mess it is
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3384[20:20:09] <Pinchiukas> TomTomTosch: that returns "generic". :)
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3387[20:20:38] <Pinchiukas> Ah sorry that was on Ubuntu.
3388[20:20:45] <thinky_> sorry
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3390[20:20:47] <Pinchiukas> Still it sucks that it doesn't work for both.
3391[20:20:54] <thinky_> it doesnt recognize anything
3392[20:20:59] <thinky_> i am using docking station
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3394[20:21:11] <thinky_> i plugged off from there and screen got black
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3401[20:22:23] <thinky_> are u there?
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3411[20:25:42] <thinky_> !sources
3412[20:25:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3415[20:27:22] <thinky_> pls just tell me how to delete source
3416[20:27:26] <thinky_> what s the command?
3417[20:27:59] <markybob> thinky_: sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list and then ctrl+k will delete each line
3418[20:28:20] <thinky_> ok
3419[20:28:20] <markybob> thinky_: type in the new three lines (no quotes). ctrl+x to exit. y to save
3420[20:28:30] <thinky_> there s only 1 source as i see
3421[20:28:33] <thinky_> it s the dvd rom
3422[20:28:37] <thinky_> let me show u
3423[20:28:49] <thinky_> replaced-url
3424[20:29:05] <thinky_> this is the current sources when i get in nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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3426[20:29:22] <thinky_> all has #
3427[20:29:28] <thinky_> just dvd rom existing
3428[20:29:37] <thinky_> right?
3429[20:30:28] <thinky_> deleted all lines
3430[20:30:38] <thinky_> now is there a way to save it ?
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3432[20:31:23] <thinky_> y for save ok
3433[20:31:25] <thinky_> let me try
3434[20:31:41] <markybob> thinky_: did you add the proper lines or just deleted everything?
3435[20:31:56] <thinky_> deleted everything
3436[20:32:00] <thinky_> now adding proper lines
3437[20:32:04] <thinky_> and then will save
3438[20:32:05] <markybob> thinky_: this is the problem. you need to listen
3439[20:32:09] <thinky_> ok
3440[20:32:11] <thinky_> sorry
3441[20:32:18] <thinky_> can we start again?
3442[20:32:25] <markybob> thinky_: make it look *exactly* like this replaced-url
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3445[20:32:53] <thinky_> ok
3446[20:32:59] <thinky_> just 3 lines will be there right?
3447[20:33:04] <markybob> thinky_: yes
3448[20:33:08] <thinky_> ctrl+y to save ?
3449[20:33:22] <markybob> thinky_: ctrl+x then y
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3451[20:33:35] <thinky_> done
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3453[20:33:58] <markybob> thinky_: apt-get update
3454[20:33:58] <thinky_> come on
3455[20:34:05] <thinky_> it is empty now
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3457[20:34:11] <thinky_> why didnt it add all 3 lines ?
3458[20:34:31] <markybob> i have no idea what you hit on your keyboard. where you root?
3459[20:34:38] <markybob> were*
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3464[20:35:09] <thinky_> markybob: [ Error writing etc/apt/sources.list: No such file or directory ]
3465[20:35:24] <markybob> thinky_: it's /etc/apt/sources.list (you forgot the first /)
3466[20:35:34] <thinky_> grrr
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3468[20:35:36] <thinky_> ok sorry
3469[20:36:51] <thinky_> done markybob
3470[20:36:58] <thinky_> updating now
3471[20:37:10] <thinky_> will it find all necessary drivers or just wifi?
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3474[20:37:38] <markybob> thinky_: after it updates you need to apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi and that'll install your wifi
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3476[20:37:47] <markybob> thinky_: reboot after apt-get install
3477[20:38:03] <thinky_> markybob: is this just wifi?
3478[20:38:06] <thinky_> all 3 lines?
3479[20:38:09] <markybob> thinky_: yes
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3481[20:38:21] <thinky_> how can i install other necessary drivers?
3482[20:38:37] <markybob> thinky_: i don't know what other drivers you need. one problem at a time
3483[20:38:43] <thinky_> ok
3484[20:38:46] <thinky_> let me finish this
3485[20:38:50] <thinky_> thank you a lot really
3486[20:38:59] <thinky_> done installing
3487[20:39:01] <markybob> np
3488[20:39:02] <thinky_> now i wll reboot
3489[20:39:03] <thinky_> brb
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3491[20:39:28] <markybob> please baby jesus let this work so i don't have to shoot myself
3492[20:40:27] <jelly> wonder who else thinks "go back to ubuntu" was uncalled for
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3495[20:41:26] <markybob> anyway i'm going for a smoke break. hopefully come back to good news :P
3496[20:42:06] <jelly> !comfort markybob
3497[20:42:07] <dpkg> There, there, markybob. It's OK. I'm here for you.
3498[20:42:38] <edju> /msg dpkg libc6_bug
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3503[20:43:46] <thinky> wifi is working now ! :)
3504[20:44:08] <thinky> thx guys for your help
3505[20:44:12] <thinky> really you are great
3506[20:44:15] <edju> /msg dpkg libc6_bug
3507[20:44:38] <jelly> edju: you have a space extra in front of that /msg
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