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• 1[00:00:45] <sney> !rtl8192se
• 2[00:00:45] <dpkg> The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. replaced-url
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• 5[00:01:16] <sney> oh good, it's not one of the super oddball ones. lilineko ^ install firmware-realtek from non-free
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• 12[00:03:06] <lilineko> yeah, found my way to that sney. should just have to restart then?
• 13[00:03:11] <sney> yep
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• 15[00:03:18] <lilineko> ob
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• 17[00:03:36] <lilineko> will come back if there's still an issue for some reason, or I find something else to fix
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• 29[00:08:40] <cecchini> hello all, I am Italian I have only one question. Debian 10 buster have TRIM ssd to default?
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• 39[00:14:33] <sney> cecchini: no; see 'systemctl status fstrim.timer'
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• 41[00:15:27] <cecchini> sney ok i understand thank you
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• 44[00:18:04] <cecchini> sney do you can give me wikidebian link for set trim service?
• 45[00:18:34] <sney> just enable that systemd unit
• 46[00:18:38] <sney> but there is more information here replaced-url
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• 49[00:19:21] <cecchini> sney thank you
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• 51[00:20:24] <annadane> i think the wiki page earlier said "not needed in buster" but that's since changed
• 52[00:20:31] <annadane> though i'm relying on my memory here which is dangerous
• 53[00:21:02] <Bushmaster> sney, ` what it is, i got private stuffs that i do not want to share to every one, but want to share anyway to my friends, so at the moment both private stuffs and other stuffs are all in one hard disk and apaache runs all of them, how i can separate them
• 54[00:21:18] <sney> I generally understand TRIM to be something that only people with early generation SSDs need to worry about
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• 57[00:23:04] <sney> Bushmaster: hosting those sites separately with separate vhosts will make them look as separate to people on the internet as if they were on separate hard drives or even separate computers
• 58[00:23:20] <sney> you should probably read the apache manual regarding virtual hosts.
• 59[00:24:03] <Bushmaster> sney, they can stay in same hard drive, all i gotta do is learn how to do it in apache ?
• 60[00:24:14] <sney> yes
• 61[00:25:01] <cecchini> sney in fact my ssd ls early generation
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• 63[00:25:18] <sney> what's why I answered your question instead of saying you probably don't need it
• 64[00:25:27] <Bushmaster> sney, so one machine, with Linux in it, and then apache in it, connected to 10TB external hard drive where i have both private and generial stuffs all together, can be served with two site address to two types of audiences
• 65[00:25:36] <sney> Bushmaster: yes.
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• 67[00:27:00] <Bushmaster> sney and you know how to do it right?
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• 69[00:27:40] <sney> I've set it up in the past but I always have to re-read the manual to make sure I'm doing it right, which you should do. replaced-url
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• 71[00:28:01] <sney> (I find it a little bit simpler in nginx, but it's the same principle and it doesn't really matter which one you use)
• 72[00:28:24] <cecchini> sney yes i know. you have been very kind. Thank you.
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• 74[00:28:33] <sney> np
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• 78[00:30:14] <Bushmaster> let me check the link sney
• 79[00:31:51] <Bushmaster> sney, which one applies to me? Name Based IP?
• 80[00:32:31] <sney> that depends on what you're doing
• 81[00:32:41] <sney> but for most people it's name-based
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• 83[00:34:17] <Bushmaster> if everything is in one hard drive, so basically, the path in document root needs changing depending on which one i wanna share with who in that name based Vhost script right?
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• 99[00:40:14] <Bushmaster> sney, its too hard, cant get my head around but thanks for the basics
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• 106[00:45:55] <karlpinc> I find nginx much simpler than apache.
• 107[00:46:09] <Bushmaster> i never heard of it
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• 109[00:46:33] <karlpinc> Bushmaster: It might be more popular than apache by now, it was gaining strong some time ago.
• 110[00:46:35] <karlpinc> nginx.org
• 111[00:46:46] <Bushmaster> let me check
• 112[00:47:07] <sney> the config files are smaller and the allow/deny stuff isn't there but you still need to understand what you're doing
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• 115[00:47:28] <karlpinc> Bushmaster: You an install them both and "systemctl disable" one.
• 116[00:47:44] <karlpinc> No matter what you need to understand what you're doing.
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• 118[00:48:22] <sney> and usually involves reading for more than 10 minutes before giving up
• 119[00:48:23] <Bushmaster> karlpinc, that ngnix i am not sure i do not use windows and i need to use apache i think
• 120[00:48:43] <karlpinc> Bushmaster: It's mostly used on Linux.
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• 122[00:49:02] <sney> in debian, to install nginx you would "apt install nginx"
• 123[00:49:11] <Bushmaster> sney, i have read it but i have many questions which i dont wanna bore you with hence its hard for me to understand without knowing the answers of my questions
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• 125[00:49:51] <Bushmaster> how do you even pronounce nginx
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• 127[00:49:56] <Bushmaster> very weird name
• 128[00:50:06] <sney> engine x
• 129[00:50:06] <joepublic> "Engine X"
• 130[00:50:25] <Bushmaster> very weird
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• 132[00:51:16] <sney> I thinks it's russian
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• 148[00:57:18] <Bushmaster> I will have to learn APache that all
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• 150[00:57:42] <Bushmaster> i do not proounce that nginc and it looks very weird to me
• 151[00:58:13] <sney> like I said earlier the both do the same thing and it doesn't matter which one you use
• 152[00:58:18] <Bushmaster> Russia is broken like Chinse Motorcycle right?
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• 154[00:58:54] <sney> just spend a few days with apache, play around with the configs, maybe watch some videos if that's your thing, you'll figure it out.
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• 157[00:59:14] <Bushmaster> sney can I write you private
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• 160[00:59:18] <sney> no
• 161[00:59:21] <Bushmaster> oh no
• 162[00:59:25] <Bushmaster> okay no problem
• 163[00:59:30] <sney> I'm not going to privately teach you apache
• 164[00:59:42] <sney> I had to learn it on my own. you can too. read the manual.
• 165[00:59:44] <Bushmaster> no, i was going to share my server
• 166[00:59:50] <Bushmaster> but i understood
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• 169[01:00:29] <Bushmaster> i am with No IP hence i have domain name but i am not sure how I can assign two domain name
• 170[01:00:30] <VG234> Why doesn't eval "$(pyenv init -)" work in .bashrc in debian. If I run the command after.bashrc loads. It works. I can't export it directly.
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• 178[01:01:58] <karlpinc> VG234: What do you mean "export it"?
• 179[01:02:23] <sney> Bushmaster: use subdomains. e.g. foo.example.com and bar.example.com
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• 187[01:04:29] <VG234> karlpinc: It's runs the command when bashrc loads but it doesn't set python version. If I run the command after it load, I get correct python version. If I source the .bashrc it reverts the python version.
• 188[01:04:32] <Bushmaster> and No-IP will able to redirect the second site ?
• 189[01:04:39] <Bushmaster> and No-IP will able to redirect the second site ? sney
• 190[01:04:46] <sney> you will have to ask them
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• 192[01:05:03] <Bushmaster> external IP is the same
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• 195[01:05:32] <sney> but if you have 1 domain from them, you should be able to have subdomains on it, or there are other services like afraid.org
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• 200[01:06:33] <sney> yes it's normal to host multiple sites on one ip, that's what name based virtualhosts are, did you even look at the first 2 sentences here replaced-url
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• 202[01:06:36] <VG234> karlpinc: One would think something in .bashrc is reverting it, but the only thing I can think of is a new shell is spawned. However, it doesn't seem so as if I type exit the windows is gone.
• 203[01:06:43] <Bushmaster> i have something like this BastardMonkey.myftp.org for example this is site where everything one can access as an example sney
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• 205[01:07:28] <Bushmaster> sney i looked, it appears just writing a small script and add it in site avilable directory
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• 208[01:07:59] <sney> that is part of the process. see, you're starting to learn it
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• 212[01:09:37] <mlots> VG234: the path may change. replaced-url
• 213[01:09:37] <karlpinc> VG234: IIRC you're supposed to "source" it, or am I wrong?
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• 221[01:10:31] <VG234> karlpinc: Yea. One would think...
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• 223[01:10:48] <karlpinc> Humm. I think maybe not. The eval takes care of it, or should.
• 224[01:11:18] <karlpinc> VG234: Do it without the eval, and just look at the commands. See what they do.
• 225[01:11:20] <VG234> karlpinc: I can run it and it will change it, but not in my bashrc.
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• 227[01:11:47] <VG234> karlpinc: Thought of that. It prints out a bunch of stuff.
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• 232[01:12:26] <VG234> karlpinc: then again maybe it should, but you don't want that in your bashrc output.
• 233[01:13:29] <karlpinc> VG234: No, but if you know what the commands are you can put them in your bashrc, as a test, and see what happens.
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• 235[01:13:50] <karlpinc> VG234: How do you know it doesn't work? How are you testing?
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• 239[01:14:47] <karlpinc> (or eval them in your .bashrc, or whatever.)
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• 251[01:18:05] <VG234> karlpinc: It's a problem with my bashrc. I put the command there and source it. I close the window are restart it same effect. Something is wrong with the bashrc.
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• 254[01:19:14] <Bushmaster> sney, can you check, does the script could be like this replaced-url
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• 257[01:20:16] <Bushmaster> sney, sorry this one replaced-url
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• 259[01:20:39] <karlpinc> VG234: Looking at what I have, you don't want to source it. (But I don't have it in my .bashrc. I don't want it messing with my env under normal conditions.)
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• 266[01:22:20] <sney> Bushmaster: it's not a "script" but that syntax looks fine at a glance
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• 268[01:22:31] <VG234> karlpinc: Definitely my issue. Something in my bashrc reverts. I'm looking.
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• 270[01:22:46] <karlpinc> VG234: You might want to share your .bashrc. You have first frobbed both PYENV_ROOT and PATH before doing the eval?
• 271[01:23:24] <karlpinc> Bushmaster: If you're going to run apache under debian you should read the readme.debian for it.
• 272[01:23:26] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 273[01:23:27] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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• 289[01:30:08] <VG234> karlpinc: You're right. The PATH seems to be the issue. If you reset the path, you lose the env.
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• 292[01:33:00] <karlpinc> VG234: You should be setting the PATH first, iirc.
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• 299[01:35:13] <VG234> karlpinc: Yes.
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• 302[01:35:39] <VG234> karlpinc: I was but another path statement was resetting it.
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• 311[01:40:14] <Bushmaster> sney, thanks
• 312[01:40:33] <Bushmaster> karlpinc, oh yeah, i will read it, i will read it until my eyes bleed
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• 319[01:42:12] <VG234> Thanks for the help. Maybe my package manager and python can live comfortably together now. After I load up all the pip modules.
• 320[01:42:22] <karlpinc> Bushmaster: The trick with reading the technical docs is to note what exists. You pay attention to only what you need to but are able to go back later when you find another needed feature, or whatever, and then learn that in detail.
• 321[01:43:08] <karlpinc> VG234: You should be using venvs, except for python versions for which you need pyenv.
• 322[01:43:31] <Bushmaster> oh yeah karlpinc, better than reading russian
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• 328[01:48:16] <VG234> karlpinc: What is the advantage of venvs?
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• 334[01:52:25] <karlpinc> VG234: Venvs keep your python packging separate from your system packaging. That way you don't break your system's packging system.
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• 336[01:53:02] <karlpinc> VG234: With venvs you can also have different versions of the same library installed in different venvs, as the application(s) installed in the venv require.
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• 338[01:54:17] <karlpinc> VG234: Often, for production, you'll pin the required versions of everything your app needs in the setup.py or requirements.txt file. Because you know those versions work. (Then you can run regression tests with newer stuff in a different venv before deploying. Another advantage.)
• 339[01:55:12] <VG234> karlpinc: So, you're saying it is still going to break. Looking at /usr/bin/python at least the link hasn't changed, which was my original package installation issue. *sigh*
• 340[01:55:16] <karlpinc> VG234: Or, you go dirt simple and limit yourself to those python packages, and versions, packaged by your OS.
• 341[01:55:35] <karlpinc> VG234: If you use pip as root, you'll break debian.
• 342[01:55:49] <karlpinc> !don't break debian
• 343[01:55:49] <dpkg> i heard dont break debian is replaced-url
• 344[01:55:53] <VG234> karlpinc: I would totally upgrade python if not for the fact that the packaging system uses 2.7.
• 345[01:56:03] <karlpinc> VG234:
• 346[01:56:17] <karlpinc> That's what pyenv is for. Go ahead an use it to run a newer python if you like.
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• 348[01:56:34] <karlpinc> Just don't run pip and install things as root. Install into venvs.
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• 350[01:57:11] <VG234> I'll write this on the back of my hand.
• 351[01:57:11] <karlpinc> VG234: Note that venvs are ment to be thrown away and re-constructed when you want to change them. (The don't take well to being moved within the fs, etc., etc.)
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• 353[01:58:06] <VG234> Is there a way to update debian packaging system to use 3x python?
• 354[01:58:11] <Bushmaster> the other thing i need some clarification is switch, how it works, because i have multiple machines, i am thinking of buying one but not sure how it works with my modem+router
• 355[01:58:12] <karlpinc> So use make or make a script to build your venvs if you're not packaging your own python programs. (If you package you just make the venv and install, and your package takes care of installing everything else it needs.)
• 356[01:58:29] <karlpinc> VG234: Install python3.
• 357[01:58:38] <karlpinc> apt install python3
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• 361[01:59:30] <VG234> karlpinc: That doesn't update code in package manager, it just installs a version of python(if I'm not mistaken). The module code will still break.
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• 365[02:00:39] <jadax> hi, do you know how I can install mongodb <3.6 on debian 10?
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• 368[02:01:14] <awalis> Hello :) does anyone here use Qemu ? I've been trying to get android-x86 to launch on it without success. I used these options "qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -machine q35 -smp 2 -accel kvm -m 2048 -k en-us -display gtk -vga std -usb -cdrom android-x86_64-9.0-r1-k49.iso -hda android9.qcow2". Instead of displaying the android GUI, all I get is a command prompt :(
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• 371[02:01:30] <karlpinc> VG234: I don't understand. What do you mean "update code in a package manager"?
• 372[02:02:04] <jadax> awalis you need to get through "BIOS" first
• 373[02:02:07] <karlpinc> awalis: All I know about qemu is that there's supposed to be a useful page for it on wiki.debian.org.
• 374[02:02:25] <jadax> qemu by default uses SeaBios I think
• 375[02:02:37] <jadax> need to make sure that you are booting off that cdrom device
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• 378[02:02:50] <jadax> just like on regular PC, you can boot off CD or USB thumbdrive or hard drive, right?
• 379[02:02:59] <jadax> qemu is the same, that configuration is within BIOS
• 380[02:03:10] <awalis> jadax: the cdrom boots properly I can see the boot menu of android-x86, where I choose to launch Live CD
• 381[02:03:29] <jadax> ok, and then what happens? you get GRUB command line?
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• 383[02:03:35] <jadax> wait, does Android use grub?
• 384[02:03:45] <VG234> karlpinc: I had /usr/bin/python symlinked to python3, this caused issues when running apt-get update, install, etc because the code for the packages was made for python 2.7. I undo the link and everything installs fine.
• 385[02:03:58] <VG234> karlpinc: However, that's not gonna last.
• 386[02:04:01] <awalis> jadax: android-x86 yes it does
• 387[02:04:28] <jadax> so now from grub you need to kick off android with display
• 388[02:04:37] <VG234> karlpinc: More packages are going to be based on python3 going forward.
• 389[02:04:37] <awalis> a little while after the boot, I get a command prompt, it's not grub command prompt, but a shell
• 390[02:04:39] <jadax> I think often times there are some extra flags to be appended to grub command line
• 391[02:04:43] <jadax> no grub?
• 392[02:05:23] <somiaj> VG234: in debian /usr/bin/python = python2, and /usr/bin/python3 = python3. This is policy, and most things are now compadabile with python3, just use python3 to run it.
• 393[02:05:42] <awalis> jadax: I followed some tutorials and forums, where they suggested to modify the 'kernel' line of grub, and replace "quiet" by vga=ask nomodeset xforcevesa
• 394[02:05:44] <somiaj> VG234: This may change with bullseye and the eol of python2, but in debian stable it is still the case that python means python2
• 395[02:05:52] <awalis> but even that didn't solve the issue,
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• 397[02:06:02] <jadax> awalis right, I've done it myself few times and I remember I had to modify grub cmd line
• 398[02:06:03] <karlpinc> VG234: If you want to install python3 stuff go ahead. The debian repos contain many python3 packages. Or install what you want using pip into a venv.
• 399[02:06:11] <jadax> by adding nomodeset etc.
• 400[02:06:19] <somiaj> just use python3 to run python3 (not python)
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• 402[02:06:30] <awalis> I noticed some error messages about "urandom" "ratelimite" ...
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• 404[02:06:36] <jadax> awalis play with grub cmd line at this point
• 405[02:06:48] <jadax> if you are getting as far as grub, cmd line needs to be adjusted now
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• 408[02:07:11] <jadax> play with the settings on the command line
• 409[02:07:21] <karlpinc> VG234: See also some PEP or another on the naming of "python" in the OS vis versions of Python.
• 410[02:07:26] <jadax> probably #android-x86 or something like that might be of more value at this point to you
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• 415[02:08:13] <jadax> you most likely all good on debian and qemu level
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• 419[02:09:05] <VG234> somiaj: You can't use python3 to run it because it's old code. You get things like this: "debian File "/usr/bin/pyclean", line 63except (IOError, OSError), e"
• 420[02:09:20] <VG234> That's the issue.
• 421[02:09:22] <awalis> jadax: my concern is about giving wrong attritube / options to the guest machine
• 422[02:09:44] <awalis> anyway, thank you jadax
• 423[02:09:46] <jadax> did you try adding -display flag?
• 424[02:10:00] <jadax> replaced-url
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• 427[02:10:11] <jadax> this tutorial uses -display gtk,gl=on
• 428[02:10:27] <awalis> I used these options "qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -machine q35 -smp 2 -accel kvm -m 2048 -k en-us -display gtk -vga std -usb -cdrom android-x86_64-9.0-r1-k49.iso"
• 429[02:10:38] <VG234> I now better understand why it breaks, but I think it is going to break more unless the old code is replaced.
• 430[02:10:42] <awalis> the openGL support is missing on my end
• 431[02:10:47] <awalis> so I didn't add it
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• 433[02:11:07] <VG234> Might hit a point were you can no longer use an older version of the the OS.
• 434[02:11:09] <jadax> I went through exactly same thing, some 6 months ago
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• 436[02:11:14] <awalis> when I add gl=on, I get the following mistake
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• 438[02:11:18] <awalis> gimme a sec
• 439[02:11:23] <jadax> I got it to work eventually, but it wasn't straightforward, I remember
• 440[02:11:48] <awalis> qemu_gl_create_compile_shader: compile vertex error
• 441[02:11:48] <awalis> 0:2(10): error: GLSL ES 3.00 is not supported. Supported versions are: 1.10, 1.20, and 1.00 ES
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• 443[02:12:06] <awalis> jadax: six months :) there is hope then
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• 447[02:13:01] <jadax> replaced-url
• 448[02:13:08] <jadax> do you have similar grub cmd line?
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• 450[02:13:58] <jadax> do you have the video param?
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• 452[02:14:20] <awalis> no, I don't remember seeing that video param
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• 454[02:15:01] <jadax> try it out
• 455[02:15:18] <karlpinc> VG234: What "old code" are you talking about? (The reason the python people changed major version numbers from 2 to 3 is because "old code" won't run with the new python. That's the point.)
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• 457[02:15:27] <jadax> with or without nomodeset
• 458[02:15:37] <jadax> I forget all these params, but there's some magic combination that works
• 459[02:15:47] <awalis> jadax: ok, let me create a fresh vm install
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• 465[02:22:40] <VG234> karlpinc: The code in package management. That's what breaks when you try to do package updates with python3. Anyway, debian package manager now works for me again.
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• 467[02:24:05] <karlpinc> VG234: The job of the debian devs is to make the debian packages work together. They take care of system integration so you don't have to. Or, use the python packages via pip, but put them into a venv to keep from breaking apt.
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• 470[02:25:49] <VG234> karlpinc: I'll take a look at venv. First, I need to change python 3.8 docs into info files. After that, back on debain issues. Thanks for all the help. I've learned a lot.
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• 472[02:26:52] <awalis> jadax: tried diffrent comb. of the video and nomodeset params, no success
• 473[02:27:06] <jadax> I think you are nearly there
• 474[02:27:11] <jadax> just gotta figure out these nasty params
• 475[02:27:20] <jadax> wait, why don't you boot
• 476[02:27:21] <jadax> like you did
• 477[02:27:24] <jadax> and once in android
• 478[02:27:26] <jadax> shell
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• 480[02:27:28] <jadax> just do 'start x' ?
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• 482[02:27:40] <awalis> let me try
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• 484[02:27:47] <jadax> I flooded :(
• 485[02:27:54] <awalis> I doubt android is using xorg though
• 486[02:28:41] <jadax> or alt+f7 to switch to GUI console
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• 488[02:29:31] <awalis> unfortunatly both aren't working :)
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• 490[02:29:43] <jadax> but you are booting to android console, right?
• 491[02:29:48] <jadax> that's after grub
• 492[02:29:56] <awalis> yes
• 493[02:30:24] <jadax> startx
• 494[02:30:26] <jadax> that does that say?
• 495[02:30:58] <awalis> libc: using old property service protocol (...)
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• 497[02:31:30] <awalis> start: failed to set property 'ctl.start' to x
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• 500[02:31:55] <jadax> try nomodeset UVESA_MODE=1024x728 in grub
• 501[02:31:59] <jadax> replaced-url
• 502[02:32:12] <awalis> ok, I will
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• 512[02:39:47] <awalis> jadax: nada xD
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• 514[02:40:07] <awalis> I start to think there's something missing on my qemu options
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• 520[02:43:35] <jadax> try searching android-x86 forums
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• 522[02:44:26] <awalis> yes, I will keep searching
• 523[02:44:33] <awalis> thank you jadax for your time
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• 525[02:44:40] <jadax> sure! good luck
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• 624[04:01:51] <rinaldo> ‏could someone send me usr -> share -> gnome-shell -> theme -> gdm3.css
• 625[04:01:56] <rinaldo> ‏i messed up mine
• 626[04:02:26] <nvz> it'd be easier for someone to do if you'd typed a damn path instead of doing more work to type it like that
• 627[04:02:42] <nvz> I could've just copied and pasted that between cat and | nc termbin.com 9999
• 628[04:03:06] <nvz> and also you can jsut get it from apt/dpkg
• 629[04:03:33] <rinaldo> ‏/etc/alternatives/gdm3.css
• 630[04:03:39] <rinaldo> ‏here you go , my bad
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• 634[04:04:14] * nvz fires up the gnome VM
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• 637[04:05:01] <rinaldo> ‏i messed it up i made everything grep #999999
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• 639[04:05:13] <rinaldo> ‏now i couldn't see shit
• 640[04:05:15] <nvz> heh
• 641[04:05:33] <nvz> well my vm is gonna be outdate.. you can wait a few for it to upgrade or I could paste it now
• 642[04:05:42] <nvz> its buster but probably still like 10.1ish
• 643[04:05:51] <rinaldo> ‏yea old one will work i guess
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• 647[04:06:41] <nvz> it has no file /etc/alternatives/gdm3.css
• 648[04:06:50] <nvz> and thats not the same as what you said above
• 649[04:06:54] <rinaldo> ‏size should be 51.4 KB
• 650[04:06:58] <nvz> you seemed to indicate /usr/share/
• 651[04:07:11] <rinaldo> ‏yea its ubuntu lol
• 652[04:07:26] <rinaldo> ‏i thought debian will work fine
• 653[04:07:41] <nvz> @.@
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• 656[04:08:17] <nvz> yeah it has no such file in /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/ either
• 657[04:08:23] <rinaldo> ‏its linked to /etc
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• 659[04:08:38] <nvz> not on my Debian Buster GNOME vm
• 660[04:08:53] <rinaldo> ‏you should find it here /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme
• 661[04:08:54] <nvz> which was installed from official debian media using the GNOME task
• 662[04:09:02] <nvz> nope
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• 664[04:09:19] <rinaldo> ‏damn it no body answer me in #ubuntu
• 665[04:09:22] <nvz> you're in #debian not #ubuntu :P
• 666[04:09:47] <rinaldo> ‏i am fucked
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• 669[04:10:10] <rinaldo> ‏i shoud back it up first
• 670[04:10:12] <nvz> says gdm3 is installed but that file isnt in there
• 671[04:10:19] <nvz> ,file gdm3.css
• 672[04:10:24] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 674[04:10:37] <nvz> ,file theme/gdm3.css
• 675[04:10:42] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 676[04:10:42] <rinaldo> ‏i couldn't find a link in google too
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• 678[04:10:58] <nvz> yeah its not a debian issue it would seem
• 679[04:11:06] <nvz> perhaps seek upstream gnome help or something
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• 681[04:12:17] <rinaldo> ‏i guess any css with 51.4 KB or close will work just fine
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• 683[04:12:33] <rinaldo> ‏just give me yours
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• 686[04:14:16] <nvz> I didnt see any css.. but I can look again.. I put the vm back to sleep
• 687[04:14:20] * nvz wakes it back up
• 688[04:14:25] <nvz> I use lightdm on here
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• 691[04:15:26] <nvz> ah there is a gnome-classic and gnome-classic-highcontrast
• 692[04:15:55] <rinaldo> ‏yea classic
• 693[04:16:00] <nvz> you should use this situation as an opportunity to reconfigure your choices
• 694[04:16:01] <rinaldo> ‏the first one
• 695[04:16:06] <nvz> in not using Debian :P
• 696[04:16:38] <rinaldo> ‏don't worry i am talking the risk
• 697[04:17:16] <nvz> replaced-url
• 698[04:17:23] <nvz> I'm not /worried/ I'm annoyed
• 699[04:17:36] <nvz> I tried ubuntu.. you think I dont know what it is..
• 700[04:17:43] <rinaldo> ‏thnx & sorryu for annoying
• 701[04:17:43] <nvz> and I dont use it and I sit here for a reason..
• 702[04:18:16] <gZen0n> Hi, I'm trying to setup a bridge for LXC conatiners in buster. I don't understand why I can't. I followed several tutorials but it's still not working. Here is my /etc/interfaces : replaced-url
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• 705[04:18:48] <nvz> I liked for example the idea that ubuntu had a backing of a company.. not personally.. but I could see why people would like that.. I liked ubuntu one, I liked that their software center worked well and gave commercial software options.. etc
• 706[04:19:09] <nvz> but overall their distro sucked.. updated frequently with horrible breakage, poor community..
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• 708[04:19:24] <nvz> if you are noticing this too.. you should consider being a debian user :P
• 709[04:20:16] <gZen0n> Even after an ifup enp0s3, I don't have any network connection nether in the host or in the container
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• 712[04:21:22] <nvz> sounds like a routing issue
• 713[04:21:36] <nvz> I'm no network guru but sounds like your gateways or firewalls are misconfigures
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• 715[04:22:16] <nvz> I'm not even gonna attempt to look into that.. I have no experince with LXC and not real savvy with networking
• 716[04:22:49] <gZen0n> Here is my iptables -L : replaced-url
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• 718[04:23:15] <nvz> gZen0n: for someone that could help seeing your ip/route output would probably be helpful too
• 719[04:23:21] <gZen0n> I'm not very confident too...
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• 722[04:24:09] <gZen0n> ip route has only one line (meh ?) : 10.117.80.0/24 dev lxdbr0 proto kernel scope link src 10.117.80.1
• 723[04:25:09] <nvz> is that a valid gateway that'd get you to the internet?
• 724[04:25:23] <nvz> and is it set as default route?
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• 727[04:26:00] <nvz> in my limited experience with bridges, they usually work just as painlessly as normal interfaces..
• 728[04:26:11] <nvz> one problem I see in what you've said is you mention enp0s3
• 729[04:26:19] <nvz> typically a bridge is something like br0
• 730[04:26:27] <nvz> unless you mean inside the container
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• 732[04:27:02] <nvz> and typically when linking two things and having no internet on either its because you mangled your default route somehow
• 733[04:27:09] <gZen0n> I don't think it's a valid gateway for the host, I'm not inside the container
• 734[04:27:34] <nvz> from the host, you'd no longer use an eth interface if its part of a bridge
• 735[04:27:38] <nvz> you'd use the bridge interface
• 736[04:28:37] <gZen0n> ah
• 737[04:28:46] <gZen0n> I didn't understood that
• 738[04:28:46] <nvz> I've only ever bridged two eth interfaces to use a linux box as a transparent firewall
• 739[04:29:07] <nvz> but when you bridge eth0 and eth1, you get br0 and you can't just go trying to use eth0/1 after that.. you gotta use br0
• 740[04:29:43] <nvz> cause the eth interfaces are now part of the bridge, they're busy.. they can't be used
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• 752[04:34:52] <gZen0n> (unwanted disconnection...) I don't know if you sa my last msg @nvz : Ok thanks for this. I think I'm going to set a new host system to avoid my past misunderstanding and restart from scratch
• 753[04:35:12] <gZen0n> Have a good day !
• 754[04:35:24] <nvz> k, well hope that helps..
• 755[04:35:31] <gZen0n> think so
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• 759[04:36:47] <nvz> my limited understanding is that when you bring up a bridge its like creating a ethernet hub
• 760[04:37:00] <nvz> and that bridge interface now becomes all those individual interfaces
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• 762[04:37:34] <gZen0n> mmh ok
• 763[04:37:47] <nvz> to get internet on any of them you must get internet on the bridge if
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• 765[04:37:53] <nvz> dhclient br0 or w/e
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• 768[04:39:04] <nvz> but again my limited experience was just creating a transparent firewall.. which is handy cause no one knows its there..
• 769[04:39:36] <nvz> it is rather invisible to the network, just controls data flowing through it
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• 771[04:40:08] <nvz> different application but afaik all bridges are the same concept :P
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• 774[04:40:47] <gZen0n> Yes, it's the concept itself I have troubles with
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• 777[04:42:17] <nvz> well you define a bridge if like br0 and you then under that block define the ifs that will be part of that bridge, and once you bring up that bridge, those ifs are gone for all intents and purposes.. now they're all just part of that new bridge if
• 778[04:42:39] <nvz> and your mention of a bridge and doing something to an eth if made me think that was where you were possibly going wrong
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• 780[04:43:12] <nvz> you no longer bring up the eth interfaces.. they're defined under the bridge, bringing up the bridge if brings those up with it
• 781[04:43:33] <nvz> last I did it you also needed additional stuff bridge-utils or something
• 782[04:46:30] <gZen0n> yes, i have bridge-utils. I saw that in tutorials they said to had a line which set enp0s3 (my physical if) to manual activation (avoiding nm conflicts) but I think my host don't use lxdbr0 (my bridge) instead... And while trying to auto-config the bridge with lxc utilities, it also add a veth if. Do you know what is it for ?
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• 796[04:58:24] <nvz> gZen0n: yeah I'm not real sure about that as nm wasnt around last I did this, but I do know that nm typically ignores things defined in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 798[04:58:47] <nvz> though I also seen that nm makes configuration of things really easy.. I use it often for sharing my internet connection
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• 801[04:59:26] <nvz> I just go to the if that I'd be connecting the machiens that will share my connection and I set the IP methods to Shared rather than DHCP/Manual
• 802[04:59:34] <nvz> and thats it.. no fooling with iptables and crap
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• 807[05:00:46] <gZen0n> replaced-url
• 808[05:01:01] <gZen0n> here is were it says about nm
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• 874[05:51:57] <oliviero> ‏how to get rid from white and blue screen before login
• 875[05:52:56] <oliviero> ‏that flash for few seconds
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• 879[05:54:42] <diogenes_> oliviero, i've never see that, what desktop environment?
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• 884[05:56:29] <oliviero> ‏well , i messed up gdm3.css then i replace it with contant of gnome-shell.css
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• 886[05:58:50] <oliviero> ‏i used to have purple screen before login ,,, now i got blue then white then purple
• 887[05:58:57] <oliviero> ‏in just few seconds
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• 889[05:59:45] <oliviero> ‏must be a cache issue
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• 916[06:23:42] <oliviero> ‏well some .xml file somewhere need to change a line to #000000
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• 1112[08:49:30] <airgapp> hey, if I wanted to install some deb package in a custom folder, how would I go about doing that, provided that the apt updates will also update the files in that folder and not install new ones in the default location?
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• 1114[08:50:07] <m1dnight> Hi all. I have a Bose QC35II but my machine's bluetooth does not pick up on it (too old I guess).
• 1115[08:50:19] <m1dnight> Can somebody recommend me a dongle that works under linux?
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• 1121[08:53:06] <jelly> airgapp, there's no way to do that on the same system in the same package manager. You can set up a separate debian installation in a different directory in form of a chroot, using debootstrap or a wrapper that uses debootstrap
• 1122[08:53:54] <jelly> then you need to update/dist-upgrade that chrooted system separately
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• 1177[09:18:06] <Badaboo> Hi is ferm awailable for debiab?
• 1178[09:18:14] <Badaboo> Hi is ferm awailable for debian?
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• 1182[09:18:56] <Unit193> ,i ferm
• 1183[09:18:57] <judd> Package ferm (net, optional) in buster/amd64: maintain and setup complicated firewall rules. Version: 2.4-1; Size: 109.7k; Installed: 302k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1284[10:14:55] <phorce1> I've Googled all over the place amd see no answer. Trying a fresh install of 10.3 netint. At the mirror selection point they are all respomding that they do not support Buster.
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• 1286[10:16:21] <pstk> hello debian
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• 1289[10:16:57] <pstk> maybe someone can help me
• 1290[10:17:14] <pstk> Im on bulleye with terminator
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• 1292[10:17:53] <watom> phorce1 can you run apt-get update on a shell? nad see the output
• 1293[10:18:03] <pstk> terminator does not interpret url in terminal anymore
• 1294[10:18:09] <pstk> do you know how to fix it?
• 1295[10:18:29] <pstk> according to the documentation its a native function…
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• 1297[10:18:58] <phorce1> apt-get not found. This is just the little netinst image
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• 1304[10:21:09] <phorce1> And if I manually go to deb.debian.org/debian/dists on another machine I clearly see buster in the list
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• 1308[10:21:56] <watom> of course there is :D
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• 1310[10:22:09] <watom> maybe you have some proxy on your network?
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• 1312[10:22:48] <phorce1> No. Straight to the router with a static IP in a /27 world connected setup
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• 1319[10:25:48] <watom> what is the "little" netinst image?
• 1320[10:26:24] <watom> is it >100MB?
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• 1322[10:26:48] <liveusb> Hello
• 1323[10:27:17] <liveusb> How can i make an liveusb xfce stick with an persistent partition readonly?
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• 1326[10:29:18] <phorce1> 343KB, just netinst rather than the larger CD/DVD images
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• 1328[10:30:05] <watom> :O
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• 1331[10:31:15] <watom> i think it's MB not KB
• 1332[10:31:26] <watom> you mean the standard installer you get from debian homepage
• 1333[10:31:38] <phorce1> Bleh, it's 04:30 here. I'm going to get some sleep and kick it a little harder when I wake up.
• 1334[10:31:59] <phorce1> You are right -- 343,040 KB
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• 1338[10:33:12] <watom> phorce1 you should really check if your network is configured in the right way
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• 1340[10:33:17] <watom> ip addr show; ip route
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• 1342[10:34:45] <phorce1> That's a little difficult in the limited BusyBox shell --- And, it doesn't say it can't connect to the mirror, it says the mirror doen't support buster.
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• 1344[10:35:11] <watom> thre is ip command of course
• 1345[10:35:18] <watom> i understand apt-get was too much though
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• 1347[10:35:49] <watom> if ip is not available something is wrong
• 1348[10:35:54] <phorce1> Ahh, not listed in the HELP list of built in commands
• 1349[10:36:03] <phorce1> it is thers
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• 1352[10:36:37] <watom> so, you have a good ip? a good default route?
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• 1354[10:38:01] <phorce1> yes
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• 1359[10:38:47] <phorce1> as listed -- but something IS wrong --- can't ping anything
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• 1361[10:39:30] <phorce1> Now that I know I have 'ip' I'll work on it when I wake up. --- that error is misleading
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• 1368[10:43:05] <phorce1> no lights -- maybe a failed cable. I had flashing data lights earlier
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• 1421[11:05:18] <pstk> found it
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• 1423[11:06:29] <tuv> How do I use the golang compiler in buster-backports, e.g. go1.13? the golang-1.13-go package does not install /usr/bin/go. Only golang-1.11-go does
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• 1425[11:08:32] <tuv> Hmm.. Actually, golang-go installs /usr/bin/go as a symlink to /usr/lib/go-1.11/bin/go (i expected it to use 'alternatives'!)
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• 1427[11:09:05] <EdePopede> maybe only with multiple versions/alternatives installed
• 1428[11:09:36] <tuv> I do have both golang-1.11 and golang-1.13 installed
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• 1573[12:18:10] <tuv> watom: I know, but I need `go` to be in the PATH
• 1574[12:18:40] <tuv> For now, I changed the /usr/bin/go symlink, but a cleaner/permanent solution would be appreciated
• 1575[12:18:57] <tuv> (upgrades will probably restore it)
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• 1577[12:19:41] <watom> tuv i don't understand. why you don't just remove the old version?
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• 1581[12:21:52] <watom> if you upgrade golang-go it should link to the newest version
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• 1584[12:23:23] <watom> you probably have the whole package from buster which is "golang" and only "golang-1.14" from backports
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• 1588[12:24:40] <tuv> golang-1.13-go: 1.13.6-2~bpo10+1: replaced-url
• 1589[12:24:54] <watom> also i don't know where 1.13 is coming from
• 1590[12:24:57] <watom> 1.14 is in backports
• 1591[12:25:15] <watom> you are using an old version even there
• 1592[12:25:19] <tuv> ^^^ that's where. This is the output of apt-cache policy golang-1.13-go
• 1593[12:25:24] <watom> but do you really need to have them both?
• 1594[12:25:32] <tuv> Yes, but that's the version I want: 1.13
• 1595[12:25:42] <tuv> No. I only need 1.13
• 1596[12:26:43] <watom> i'd purge everything related to go. and only install golang-1.13 package
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• 1598[12:27:05] <watom> this will give the bin in the right place and only 1.13 on the system
• 1599[12:27:12] <tuv> I started with that. No `go` in PATH
• 1600[12:27:46] <watom> well the maintainer forgot to add the link
• 1601[12:27:50] <tuv> AFAICT, /usr/bin/path is only installed by golang-go, which pulls in golang-1.11
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• 1603[12:28:23] <tuv> not necessarily. If they did, different versions will conflict with one another
• 1604[12:28:41] <tuv> I think /usr/bin/go should be managed by alternatives
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• 1606[12:28:53] <watom> i don't know there are multiple versions tbh
• 1607[12:28:56] <watom> never been like that
• 1608[12:29:00] <watom> why*
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• 1610[12:29:16] <watom> yeah but they just don't assume you use multiple versions
• 1611[12:29:19] <tuv> Some software will only build with a particular version
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• 1613[12:29:32] <watom> uhm
• 1614[12:29:37] <watom> well debian doesn't support that
• 1615[12:29:55] <tuv> you can have multiple versions of python and gcc, can't you?
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• 1617[12:30:15] <watom> i'm just saying the maintainer is not supporting this
• 1618[12:30:39] <tuv> Still, I'm unable to get a single version other than the default
• 1619[12:30:47] <watom> also python is only available in version 2 and 3. there are not different minor versions available
• 1620[12:31:09] <watom> if you install only golang-1.13-go and do the link manually you are fine
• 1621[12:31:16] <watom> golang-1.13* sorry
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• 1625[12:32:04] <tuv> right
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• 1627[12:32:15] <watom> i think that 1.13 version is gonna disappear though
• 1628[12:32:23] <watom> i don't understand. it's not anymore in bullseye
• 1629[12:32:25] <watom> who will maintain it?
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• 1631[12:32:56] <watom> it's like an orphan backport
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• 1633[12:33:11] <tuv> I think if I `apt update` I may not be able to get it anymore ;)
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• 1635[12:33:42] <watom> well it's not hard to install any version of go anyway without apt
• 1636[12:33:49] <watom> if you really care about debian packages you can backup them
• 1637[12:34:02] <tuv> or use snapshots
• 1638[12:34:53] <watom> if 1.13 get patches you will not get them anyway
• 1639[12:35:04] <watom> you should move away from debian version anyway
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• 1641[12:35:13] <watom> or move to 1.14
• 1642[12:35:22] <tuv> this is a temporary setup to debug some issue in an open source package
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• 1648[12:36:25] <watom> actually already outdate. it's .6 while is available .9
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• 1702[13:09:30] <ice9> which is better way to install python modules, from the distro repo or using pip?
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• 1706[13:12:41] <Johann> depends on your need, but most of the time it's better to use python tools like virtualenv, pip and such than debian's module because there are too many tools that won't work with the exact version in debian
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• 1730[13:25:26] <greatgatsby> ice9, just to add to Johann, never run pip as root and install over your system python packages, you can break your system. Either use a virtualenv (as already recommended) or use `python3 -m pip install <package> --user` which will install to your use site directory, which you can see with `python3 -m site`. You might also add ~/.local/bin to your path, if you use --user
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• 1734[13:25:57] <greatgatsby> s/use site directory/user site directory
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• 1738[13:28:52] <ratrace> user modules can quickly become a mess too. I'd recommend virtualenv exclusively.
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• 1741[13:29:54] <greatgatsby> ratrace, very valid point. I like --user for commandline tools like httpie, but everyone has to pick what works best for them.
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• 1761[13:41:45] <nex> Howdy. I use a Lenovo laptop with an Intel UHD video card, and debian sid. Since latest upgrades I'm having video rendering issues and glitches in my wm. Anyone else experiencing the same?
• 1762[13:42:42] <diogenes_> nex, in wm? what is the wm?
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• 1770[13:48:07] <erdebian> hi everybody
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• 1772[13:49:00] <erdebian> could anyone tell me how to configure qjackctl to be able to play youtube with rakarrack?i tried several scripts "commands" but it continue without sound
• 1773[13:49:18] <erdebian> rakkarrack without youtube sounds good
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• 1791[13:58:46] <ratrace> nex: for sid issues you better ask on OFTC
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• 1810[14:07:57] <keo> Hello everyone !
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• 1813[14:08:13] <diogenes_> Hello guys, i've got the unar process that went berserk, it keeps respawning every second and i can't kill it, any idea how to stop it?
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• 1815[14:09:03] <joepublic> kill whatever's spawning it?
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• 1820[14:10:07] <diogenes_> joepublic, i wish i knew what is doing it, all i did i just opened a directory in Thunar File Manager which contains a .rar archive, i didn't even click on anything and the process started and eating all of my CPU.
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• 1835[14:16:27] <joepublic> umm, kill Thunar?
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• 1838[14:17:29] <diogenes_> joepublic, it's killed long ago, the only workaround that worked was: sudo chmod a-x /usr/bin/unar && pkill -x unar && pkill -x unrar
• 1839[14:17:42] <joepublic> pretty creative solution :) I like it
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• 1911[14:38:01] <keo> Anyone tried freedombox ?
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• 1917[14:39:20] <dvs> !anyone
• 1918[14:39:20] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1930[14:42:32] <rea77> Greetings, I cant get a 3 monitor setup running with my X200 thinkpad on a dockstation with 1 VGA and 1 DP on top of my LVDS... Here is the output of xrandr --listproviders :
• 1931[14:42:32] <rea77> Provider 0: id: 0x48 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 2 outputs: 7 associated providers: 0 name:modesetting
• 1932[14:42:32] <rea77> Does it mean (crtcs : 2), that i could only get a 2 output setup ? or there is a way ?
• 1933[14:42:32] <rea77> One Love
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• 2024[15:07:57] <rea77> my integrated Graphic controler allows a total of 3200x1080, i pay attention to not be over that resolution with the sum of the 3 display's resolution.... Any 2 output setup works fine (LVDS + DP, or LVDS + VGA, or VGA + DP), but whenever i try to add the 3rd, i had this error :
• 2025[15:07:57] <rea77> xrandr: cannot find crtc for output
• 2026[15:07:57] <rea77> I didn't understand exactly what means this error , my english is not great, and all the stackoverflow solution i read didn't help...
• 2027[15:07:57] <rea77> Thanks
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• 2047[15:13:23] <Devastator> why debian removed "reboot"? wouldn't it be better if they created like an alias? when you call reboot, it calls systemctl reboot
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• 2051[15:15:00] <GNU\colossus> Devastator, what do you mean, "removed"?
• 2052[15:15:12] <GNU\colossus> afaik, `reboot` always talks to your init/service manager.
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• 2055[15:15:32] <ratrace> indeed it always did.
• 2056[15:15:37] <Devastator> well, when tried to call reboot it said command not found
• 2057[15:15:40] <GNU\colossus> you can have the systemd-variant of reboot forcefully bypass the service manager, by using `reboot -ff`
• 2058[15:15:46] <Devastator> when I tried..
• 2059[15:15:48] <GNU\colossus> Devastator, were you root at that point?
• 2060[15:15:54] <Devastator> yup
• 2061[15:16:16] <GNU\colossus> can you reproduce that behaviour now?
• 2062[15:16:18] <nkuttler> /sbin/reboot is provided by a few packages
• 2063[15:16:19] <rea77> you should use sudo su - instead of sudo su
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• 2065[15:16:34] <nkuttler> e.g. systemd-sysv
• 2066[15:16:36] <Devastator> let me check
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• 2068[15:16:51] <Devastator> yes, it is reproduceable
• 2069[15:17:38] <Devastator> I think that changed from 10.1 to 10.2, because when I upgraded from 10.1 to 10.2 I used reboot normally
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• 2074[15:18:14] <ratrace> Devastator: what is reproducible exactly?
• 2075[15:18:16] <rea77> @Devastator, did you try sudo su - ?
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• 2077[15:18:22] <GNU\colossus> rea77, you should just use `sudo -i`, actually :)
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• 2079[15:18:49] <Devastator> ratrace if I call reboot it returns command not found
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• 2081[15:19:02] <ratrace> you said debian removed reboot, but that's not true, then you said it "calls" systemctl, which is also not true, it's a symlink to /sbin/systemctl (or init if you're on sysv for some reason)
• 2082[15:19:13] <Devastator> root@ODIN:~# reboot
• 2083[15:19:13] <Devastator> bash: reboot: command not found
• 2084[15:19:13] <Devastator> root@ODIN:~#
• 2085[15:19:17] <ratrace> Devastator: can you exec /sbin/reboot ?
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• 2087[15:19:43] <Devastator> I said it should be calling systemctl
• 2088[15:19:51] <ratrace> it should not though
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• 2090[15:19:56] <GNU\colossus> Devastator, execute `hash -r` and `type reboot`, and paste the output, please
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• 2095[15:20:46] <Devastator> GNU\colossus weird.. replaced-url
• 2096[15:20:59] <ratrace> Devastator: is there /sbin/reboot ?
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• 2099[15:21:19] <rea77> GNU\colossus: ok , i had same issue than him and su - worked for me, i will look for the '-i' cause i don-t know that switch ( i don't know a lot of things on debian ;-) )
• 2100[15:21:21] <Devastator> ratrace doesn't seem like it..
• 2101[15:21:53] <ratrace> Devastator: is there a package systemd-sysv installed?
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• 2105[15:22:50] <Devastator> ratrace root@ODIN:~# dpkg -l | grep systemd-sysv
• 2106[15:22:50] <Devastator> ii systemd-sysv 241-7~deb10u3 amd64 system and service manager - SysV links
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• 2108[15:23:18] <ratrace> Devastator: is /sbin a symlink to /usr/sbin ?
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• 2111[15:23:56] <ratrace> Devastator: also, try reinstalling that package, as it installs the /sbin/reboot symlink
• 2112[15:24:12] <Devastator> ratrace how can I check that? ls -la..?
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• 2114[15:24:25] <ratrace> Devastator: `file /sbin`
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• 2118[15:24:46] <GNU\colossus> Devastator, what does `dpkg -S "*/reboot"` yield?
• 2119[15:24:54] <Devastator> doesn't seem like it: root@ODIN:~# file /sbin
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• 2121[15:25:02] <Devastator> root@ODIN:~# file /sbin
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• 2123[15:25:08] <Devastator> /sbin: directory
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• 2128[15:25:55] <Devastator> GNU\colossus
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• 2130[15:25:57] <Devastator> root@ODIN:~# dpkg -S "*/reboot"
• 2131[15:25:57] <Devastator> systemd-sysv: /sbin/reboot
• 2132[15:25:57] <Devastator> klibc-utils: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/reboot
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• 2135[15:26:19] <ratrace> something broke your debian then
• 2136[15:26:29] <ratrace> is there /usr/sbin/reboot present?
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• 2146[15:28:29] <gergap> hi
• 2147[15:28:42] <AngelKde> hi
• 2148[15:28:48] <Devastator> ratrace nope
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• 2151[15:29:15] <ratrace> Devastator: very well. try reinstalling systemd-sysv then
• 2152[15:29:45] <gergap> On buster the package firmware-realtek is missing the file rtl_bt/rtl8822cu_config.bin. It contains rtl_bt/rtl8822cu_fw.bin, but not the according config file. Is this fixed somewhere in newer versions?
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• 2154[15:29:47] <ratrace> Devastator: btw, you ran an upgrade from stretch sometime in the past year or so?
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• 2156[15:30:16] <Devastator> ratrace probably
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• 2158[15:30:39] <ratrace> Devastator: i'm guessing upgrades from stretch are not usrmerge'd
• 2159[15:30:51] <Devastator> ratrace apt-get --reinstall install systemd-sysv?
• 2160[15:31:01] <ratrace> ya
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• 2166[15:32:02] <GNU\colossus> Devastator, you probably want to install "debsums" and have it check all your package-owned files for mishaps (deletion, or having been overwritten)
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• 2170[15:33:18] <ratrace> true that
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• 2172[15:33:28] <Devastator> ratrace I reinstalled, /sbin/reboot is now there, but reboot still returns command not found.. should I.. reboot? :P
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• 2176[15:33:51] <Devastator> GNU\colossus done, apparently it only gave OK
• 2177[15:34:01] <Devastator> should it scream if something is off?
• 2178[15:34:03] <ratrace> Devastator: that's impossible if you're root. /sbin and /usr/sbin are in your PATH unless you really broke your debian's back
• 2179[15:34:26] <Devastator> ratrace well, systemctl reboot works, reboot doesn't
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• 2184[15:34:45] <ratrace> Devastator: and running it directly? /sbin/reboot ?
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• 2187[15:35:04] <Devastator> ratrace worked :P
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• 2190[15:35:43] <GNU\colossus> then your shell had a negative lookup through your PATH cached. `hash -r` fixes that.
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• 2193[15:35:47] <ratrace> Devastator: so then you didn't `su -l` before?
• 2194[15:36:07] <GNU\colossus> `debsums -ac` will list all changed files, including config files, that your package manager knows about
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• 2196[15:36:28] <GNU\colossus> ("changed" also includes "missing")
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• 2199[15:36:44] <Devastator> ratrace with su -l reboot works :P
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• 2201[15:37:10] <ratrace> Devastator: of course. that's how you should become root, with -l. or use `sudo -i` whichever floats your boat.
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• 2204[15:37:27] <Devastator> ratrace was that added recently?
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• 2208[15:38:15] <Devastator> or changed
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• 2210[15:38:52] <ratrace> the change was made for buster, so not for a point release of it
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• 2215[15:39:48] <Devastator> unless I switched straight from stretch to buster 10.2, and not moved from 10 to 10.1 as I thought earlier
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• 2219[15:40:30] <Devastator> thanks ratrace and GNU\colossus, sorry for the noise :P
• 2220[15:40:35] <ratrace> Devastator: that wouldn't change anything, as the change is between 10.x and 9.x
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• 2230[15:42:31] <Devastator> ratrace sure, it is just that I thought this "problem" started between 10.1 and 10.2 heheh
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• 2236[15:44:36] <ratrace> Devastator: not the su problem, but your reboot disappeared from /sbin for some reason
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• 2240[15:45:12] <Devastator> yes, weird
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• 2387[16:27:46] <bubblefoo> when installing debian there is an option for full disk encryption.How strong is that encryption?Against which kinds or level of attacks does it protect?
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• 2392[16:29:26] <petn-randall> bubblefoo: It will be strong enough that the easiest way to get at the data is not breaking the encryption, but kidnapping/blackmailing you.
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• 2397[16:30:02] <bubblefoo> allright thanks
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• 2399[16:30:35] <petn-randall> bubblefoo: That means the budget for cracking the encryption would be far above $100,000, assuming you pick a strong password.
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• 2402[16:31:01] <bubblefoo> i see,that is quite some money
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• 2408[16:32:25] <JyZyXEL> perhaps evil maid attack
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• 2411[16:32:47] <petn-randall> Ok, kidnapping/blackmailing/evil maid attack ;)
• 2412[16:32:51] <JyZyXEL> though Secure Boot should make that harder
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• 2419[16:33:53] <bubblefoo> evil maid attack is always a bitch
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• 2423[16:35:01] <han-solo> i never understood why anyone would need secure boot...
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• 2426[16:36:02] <bubblefoo> Secure Boot,would that be a preboot verifying process?
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• 2428[16:36:22] <JyZyXEL> han-solo: never been back stabbed by someone close to you? :P
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• 2436[16:37:39] <petn-randall> han-solo: You can verify that the OS is the one you put on there by cryptographic signature.
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• 2442[16:39:41] <petn-randall> han-solo: Malware that puts your main OS into a VM, avoiding any kind of detection has been a thing for several years now.
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• 2450[16:40:54] <han-solo> petn-randall: i mean, if you are worried about that, then you have got bigger problems ?
• 2451[16:40:57] <han-solo> :)
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• 2454[16:41:40] <han-solo> JyZyXEL: i don't go out much ;)
• 2455[16:41:41] <petn-randall> Not really.
• 2456[16:41:51] <han-solo> i see
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• 2588[17:10:55] <cratuki> Running debian stable. I have two ethernet adapters. Ethernet A is for internet. Ethernet B is for a private link within my house.
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• 2590[17:11:11] <cratuki> I am configuring in /etc/network/interfaces, inet static.
• 2591[17:11:24] <cratuki> In syslog, it complains that I do not have DNS configured on the interface. Why do I need DNS configured on the second interface?
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• 2597[17:11:59] <cratuki> I can bring the adapter up from the command line fine using ifconfig. But I would like it to come up at startup. Criticism? Advice?
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• 2599[17:12:08] <tds> cratuki: what's the log entry exactly?
• 2600[17:12:15] <tds> ifupdown itself doesn't handle dns, though some hooks will
• 2601[17:12:46] <cratuki> tds: "No dns-nameserver configured in /etc/network/interfaces"
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• 2603[17:12:52] <cratuki> (I will pastebin more context)
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• 2607[17:13:45] <cratuki> replaced-url
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• 2615[17:14:32] <tds> ah, that looks like networkmanager trying to read ifupdown's config
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• 2621[17:15:15] <tds> shouldn't be a problem though, ifupdown should work fine as normal
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• 2625[17:15:39] <cratuki> When I run ifconfig -a, the second adapter does not even show.
• 2626[17:15:52] <cratuki> But if I commented out that entry in /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted, I would be able to bring it up manually.
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• 2628[17:16:25] <tds> what does `ip address` say?
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• 2633[17:17:17] <cratuki> replaced-url
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• 2635[17:17:31] <cratuki> (second adapter enp120s0 is now showing)
• 2636[17:17:34] <cratuki> Sorry
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• 2638[17:17:36] <cratuki> is /not/ showing
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• 2643[17:17:57] <tds> hmm, this is odd, do you see it in lspci?
• 2644[17:18:06] <tds> may be worth pastebining the whole of dmesg
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• 2656[17:20:05] <cratuki> replaced-url
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• 2664[17:21:23] <cratuki> lspci replaced-url
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• 2667[17:22:26] <cratuki> Some context about this adapter. It is an aquantia device that is built into the motherboard.
• 2668[17:22:40] <tds> hmm yeah, doesn't show up at all from the look of it?
• 2669[17:22:41] <cratuki> I'm weak on drivers (working through Tannenbaum at the moment, trying to get better)
• 2670[17:22:50] <cratuki> but I wonder if this has to do with the order that things come up.
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• 2674[17:23:14] <cratuki> For example, if the aquantia needed a kernel module, but the presence ofthe config getting in the way of that.
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• 2677[17:23:33] <tds> that config really shouldn't affect whether the interface shows up or not
• 2678[17:23:34] <cratuki> I'm running my own build of 5.5.6, on debian stable.
• 2679[17:23:38] <cratuki> tds: ok, thanks.
• 2680[17:23:40] <tds> and it should definitely show in lspci regardless
• 2681[17:23:44] <cratuki> right.
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• 2684[17:24:34] <cratuki> My IRC link is not on my workstation. I'm going to reboot without the config and check that it does come up in lspci. (Thanks for looking at this)
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• 2701[17:29:26] <cratuki> tds: This looks like a hardware issue.
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• 2704[17:29:40] <cratuki> I rebooted twice. Once with the config commented out, but then again with it commented in.
• 2705[17:29:40] <tds> that sounds likely
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• 2707[17:29:51] <cratuki> In both cases, the hardware identified through lspci.
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• 2710[17:30:15] <cratuki> i.e. it is back working again.
• 2711[17:30:22] <cratuki> tds: thanks for your help.
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• 2765[17:42:06] <rotaticus> ...dang
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• 3128[18:55:31] <_alx_> nvidia-smi doesn't seem to appear when I do apt search nvidia
• 3129[18:55:44] <_alx_> does that mean it will only show up when I have the card installed?
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• 3131[18:56:19] <greycat> apt-cache doesn't know or care what hardware is installed
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• 3133[18:56:50] <_alx_> then I don't know how to install my nvidia graphics card driver
• 3134[18:56:51] <greycat> perhaps you're missing contrib/non-free sources
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• 3136[18:56:56] <_alx_> ohh
• 3137[18:56:56] <greycat> ,v nvidia-smi
• 3138[18:56:57] <judd> Package: nvidia-smi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; buster-backports/non-free: 440.59-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 440.64-2; sid/non-free: 440.64-2
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• 3140[18:56:58] <_alx_> maybe
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• 3144[19:00:09] <_alx_> I think I got it working, i'm just struggling to get the cuda stuff installed. I progressed though so i'm going to work on this
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• 3146[19:00:23] <_alx_> thanks greycat judd
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• 3237[19:37:22] <usney> how can I connect to my bluetooth headphones via the command line?
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• 3268[19:49:47] <simplicius> Hello
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• 3270[19:50:07] <simplicius> Is there a Dominoes game for linux?
• 3271[19:50:12] <simplicius> for debian
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• 3284[19:53:59] <usney> simplicius they have an ordering app for take out simplicius
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• 3286[19:54:20] <usney> also delivery too
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• 3292[19:55:09] <nvz> simplicius: are you savvy enough to compile something?
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• 3294[19:55:44] <simplicius> if it does not contain malware
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• 3298[19:56:16] <usney> I doubt someone is going to give you source code that anyone can view to see it has malware
• 3299[19:56:23] <usney> has it ever happened?
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• 3303[19:57:42] <ratrace> simplicius: apt search domino seems to return with a few potential hits
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• 3310[19:59:21] <usney> sudo apt install pushover
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• 3312[19:59:34] <nvz> simplicius: replaced-url
• 3313[19:59:45] <usney> pushover has dominos simplicius
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• 3315[19:59:53] <usney> install that and try it out
• 3316[19:59:58] <usney> sudo apt install pushover
• 3317[19:59:58] <simplicius> that pushover is 4.8 MB ?
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• 3321[20:00:47] <usney> 41.6 MB simplicius
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• 3324[20:01:10] <simplicius> a board game so heavey..
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• 3327[20:01:24] <simplicius> if it were final doom..
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• 3330[20:02:10] <usney> pushover is a collection of board games simplicius
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• 3348[20:08:28] <ratrace> 42MB is grain of sand compared to resources needed for modern games. graphical games do need audio and video which takes a lot of space.
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• 3367[20:13:14] <zumba_ad_> what's the proper thing to do with this? It happened during apt-get. replaced-url
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• 3369[20:14:10] <dvs> ???
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• 3372[20:14:22] <diogenes_> zumba_ad_, during upgrade?
• 3373[20:14:24] <dvs> it tells you on the last line
• 3374[20:14:27] <zumba_ad_> yes
• 3375[20:15:09] <zumba_ad_> a bit worried that it might break something
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• 3381[20:16:47] <diogenes_> zumba_ad_, so you're upgrading what to what?
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• 3383[20:17:35] <zumba_ad_> it's a jfrog sofware called artifactory to a version which contains patches
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• 3388[20:18:43] <zumba_ad_> this warning is confusing `Depends: libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.14+dfsg) but 1.12.1+dfsg-19+deb8u4 is to be installed`
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• 3391[20:19:19] <zumba_ad_> oops, this `libpq5 : Depends: libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.14+dfsg) but 1.12.1+dfsg-19+deb8u4 is to be installed`
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• 3394[20:19:55] <zumba_ad_> i am not sure if it's saying that libpq5 is dependent on libgssapi-krb5-2 but 1.12.1+dfsg-19+deb8u4 will be installed
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• 3402[20:22:54] <lwp> zumba_ad_, are you running on debian 8 jessie ?
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• 3406[20:23:13] <zumba_ad_> let me ssh again. I think it's 8. one sec
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• 3408[20:23:47] <zumba_ad_> yup, Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l on /etc/issue
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• 3417[20:26:14] <lwp> zumba_ad_, what version of this libpq5 are you trying to install, and where did you get it ?
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• 3422[20:26:44] <zumba_ad_> let me paste the whole thing. Libpq5 was only mentioned in the output of apt-get install
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• 3428[20:27:45] <zumba_ad_> this was the command that my teammate executed - replaced-url
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• 3432[20:28:55] <zumba_ad_> maybe it;'s different if he installs the deb package file
• 3433[20:29:02] <lwp> zumba_ad_, it looks like this artifactory new version is newer than jessie.
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• 3435[20:29:13] <zumba_ad_> oh, how can I test?
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• 3439[20:29:33] <lwp> I think you need to either upgrade the system to stretch or something, or look for a version of this foreign software made for jessie (8)
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• 3441[20:29:42] <zumba_ad_> we got it from here - replaced-url
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• 3443[20:29:54] <zumba_ad_> is there a tool I can run to verify if deb is for jessie 8?
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• 3448[20:31:10] <cawo> yes, it's called apt-get
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• 3451[20:31:30] <zumba_ad_> ok, how to use apt-get to validate a deb file?
• 3452[20:31:32] <cawo> see versions in the the "libpq5 : Depends" lines, that's exactly the info you need
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• 3455[20:31:55] <cawo> it's saying the deb is not for jessie
• 3456[20:32:01] <zumba_ad_> where?
• 3457[20:32:13] <pasiz> zumba_ad_: did you read jfrog website when setting up apt sources
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• 3459[20:32:25] <zumba_ad_> it was my teammate who did it
• 3460[20:32:31] <zumba_ad_> let me check the site now
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• 3463[20:32:52] <pasiz> deb replaced-url
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• 3467[20:34:00] <zumba_ad_> I can check if he added that
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• 3471[20:34:44] <pasiz> should be in /etc/apt/sources.list
• 3472[20:34:50] <zumba_ad_> got it
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• 3477[20:35:36] <zumba_ad_> i don't see that link in there
• 3478[20:35:50] <pasiz> so where the apt source is coming then?
• 3479[20:35:53] <zumba_ad_> i'm confused about these 2, `{distribution} {components}`
• 3480[20:35:59] <dvs> zumba_ad_, in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
• 3481[20:36:06] <zumba_ad_> ok checking it there
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• 3484[20:36:25] <pasiz> zumba_ad_: that was copypaste from jfrog site
• 3485[20:36:35] <zumba_ad_> yup, it's there, deb replaced-url
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• 3490[20:37:48] <zumba_ad_> are the .list files in that directory automatically read when we execute apt-get?
• 3491[20:37:56] <pasiz> zumba_ad_: i think this belong to jfrog support team
• 3492[20:38:00] <zumba_ad_> k
• 3493[20:38:02] <pasiz> zumba_ad_: yes
• 3494[20:38:06] <zumba_ad_> got it
• 3495[20:38:24] <pasiz> those are the sources where package lists and pdiffs are get
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• 3503[20:40:20] <zumba_ad_> if we have the file physically, how can we tell if it's meant for jessie or stretch or some version?
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• 3508[20:40:55] <dvs> ,v libpq
• 3509[20:40:56] <judd> No package named 'libpq' was found in amd64.
• 3510[20:41:08] <dvs> ,v libpq5
• 3511[20:41:09] <judd> Package: libpq5 on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4.18-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 9.4.26-0+deb8u1; stretch: 9.6.16-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 9.6.17-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 9.6.17-0+deb9u1; buster: 11.6-0+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 11.7-0+deb10u1; buster-security: 11.7-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 12.2-1+b1; sid: 12.2-1+b1
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• 3522[20:44:21] <Devastator> any chance I can use a package from oldstable into stable?
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• 3527[20:45:57] <zumba_ad_> what did you find dvs?
• 3528[20:46:12] <sney> Devastator: sometimes but it's usually better to rebuild it
• 3529[20:46:18] <sney> !ssb
• 3530[20:46:18] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 3534[20:46:46] <sney> this process can be used (roughly) for porting a package from any debian version to any other debian version, as long as build-deps are available
• 3535[20:47:01] <sney> just change what the deb-src line points at
• 3536[20:47:27] <dvs> zumba_ad_, all the current versions of libpq5
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• 3540[20:48:19] <zumba_ad_> I don't understand this string from the bpaste I posted - `1.12.1+dfsg-19+deb8u4`
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• 3552[20:50:13] <dvs> zumba_ad_, that's the package version
• 3553[20:50:18] <zumba_ad_> oh your outputs shows different version of debian? jessie, jessie-security, stretch, etc. Correct?
• 3554[20:50:26] <dvs> yes
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• 3556[20:50:47] <zumba_ad_> and for each debian, it shows the version of what libpq5 can be installed
• 3557[20:50:50] <Devastator> I just want easy-rsa from oldstable instead of easy-rsa 3.x :(
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• 3564[20:51:19] <zumba_ad_> in this case, we should be using `jessie: 9.4.18-0+deb8u1;` Correct?
• 3565[20:51:26] <zumba_ad_> let me verify what we have right now
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• 3569[20:52:04] <zumba_ad_> dpkg -l output - `iU libpq5:amd64 9.6.16-0+deb9u1 amd64 PostgreSQL C client library`
• 3570[20:52:05] <dpkg> No packages found matching output - `iU libpq5:amd64 9.6.16-0+deb9u1 amd64 PostgreSQL C client library`
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• 3572[20:52:24] <zumba_ad_> looks like dpkg is a bot :D
• 3573[20:52:31] * tarzeau wathing toy story 4. can't wait for debian KABOOM!
• 3574[20:52:49] <dvs> 9.6.16 belongs to stretch
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• 3576[20:53:02] <zumba_ad_> but that's what we have installed
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• 3578[20:53:10] <zumba_ad_> and what we are showing in /etc/issue
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• 3580[20:53:31] <dvs> zumba_ad_, but on in the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
• 3581[20:53:41] <zumba_ad_> it says jessie main
• 3582[20:53:45] <dvs> not stretch
• 3583[20:53:50] <zumba_ad_> correct
• 3584[20:53:57] <dvs> that's the problem
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• 3586[20:54:05] <zumba_ad_> it's because we're on debian 8
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• 3588[20:54:19] <zumba_ad_> stretch is 9 iirc
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• 3590[20:54:40] <dvs> zumba_ad_, yeah, and your dpkg -l shows that it's 9
• 3591[20:54:49] <zumba_ad_> got it
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• 3593[20:55:15] <zumba_ad_> is there a way to prove 9.6.16-0+deb9u1 is for stretch in case my teammates asks me?
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• 3597[20:55:27] <jalepenoftw> Hi there! I've been working on an open source project (replaced-url
• 3598[20:55:28] <jalepenoftw> (Since it's a p2p VPN, we allow users to decide what categories of traffic they're comfortable hosting (i.e. file-sharing) -- wrote up explanations for this and other common questions here: replaced-url
• 3599[20:55:28] <jalepenoftw> We're working on launching in about a month and if you're interested in the project, I'd really appreciate it if you'd join our waitlist at replaced-url
• 3600[20:55:30] <zumba_ad_> thanks for helping
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• 3605[20:56:00] <dvs> np
• 3606[20:56:06] <zumba_ad_> what would be the command equivalent for v, libpq5
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• 3611[20:56:47] <dvs> zumba_ad_, replaced-url
• 3612[20:56:53] <zumba_ad_> ok checking
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• 3619[20:58:37] <Devastator> sney are you busy? can you help me build package easy-rsa from oldstable into buster?
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• 3622[20:58:57] <sney> just follow the steps, and if you get stuck ask specific questions in the channel.
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• 3624[20:59:01] <sney> no, you may not private message me
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• 3629[21:01:00] <Devastator> well, I add deb-src from oldstable, did apt update, did apt build-dep easy-rsa, but how can I know it did for the version I want? both packages have the same name
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• 3634[21:02:19] <greycat> the directory and the resulting .deb files all have version numbers in them
• 3635[21:02:27] <greycat> ,v easy-rsa
• 3636[21:02:28] <judd> Package: easy-rsa on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.2-1; stretch: 2.2.2-2; bullseye: 3.0.6-1; buster: 3.0.6-1; sid: 3.0.6-1
• 3637[21:02:50] <greycat> should be fairly obvious whether it's 2.2.2 or 3.0.6
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• 3642[21:03:30] <sney> you can also pass -t to apt-get in order to specify the branch, e.g. apt-get -t stretch build-dep easy-rsa
• 3643[21:03:48] <sney> apt-get or apt it works for either
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• 3649[21:04:21] <Devastator> oh, ok
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• 3651[21:04:33] <fleursdu> anyone happen to know how to install official gnome themes in buster ? not finding much with search
• 3652[21:04:50] <fleursdu> don't want to use a PPA, maybe there aren't any
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• 3655[21:05:42] <Devastator> I'm getting this when I try "apt -t stretch build-dep easy-rsa" -> E: The value 'stretch' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
• 3656[21:05:46] <zumba_ad_> thank you dvs adnd pasiz. What if we use apt-get -f to force install it? Will it downgrade it back?
• 3657[21:05:48] <Devastator> same for -t oldstable
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• 3662[21:06:44] <sney> sorry it should be the other one, the apt -b source
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• 3665[21:08:36] <sney> and with anything like this it's not exactly how it's designed to work so you will probably need to tinker with it a bit. I don't have all the answers, just try stuff
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• 3680[21:11:33] <fleursdu> or maybe it's openbox themes?
• 3681[21:11:46] <Devastator> weird, even though I do have a deb-src line for stretch, there is no easy-rsa 2.2.2-2 source anywhere
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• 3685[21:12:58] <dvs> !tell zumba_ad_ about downgrade
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• 3702[21:18:15] <Devastator> damn
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• 3705[21:19:20] <Devastator> I can't seem to fetch easy-rsa from oldstable
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• 3708[21:19:54] <Devastator> even though apt update downloads Sources of stretch/main
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• 3728[21:27:21] <Devastator> shouldn't deb-src line and 'apt update' be enough for it to recognize -t stretch while installing a package? E: The value 'stretch' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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• 3732[21:28:11] <zumba_ad_> bot didn't render
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• 3736[21:29:08] <greycat> "apt-get -t stretch source easy-rsa" should work
• 3737[21:29:32] <greycat> assuming you've got a deb-src stretch line, and you've already done apt-get update
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• 3740[21:30:19] <Devastator> greycat for some reason it doesn't recognize -t stretch, I do have a deb-src and I did apt-get update
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• 3766[21:39:53] <zumba_ad_> oh i see the message now from dpkg. Thank you
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• 3862[22:08:47] <Ooze> Hi. I'm trying to uninstall an old version of weechat. I've done 'apt-get purge weechat* weechat-devel-core', etc. Looked like I had removed it, but I'm still able to execute 'weechat', 'which' still shows it on my system
• 3863[22:08:53] <Ooze> How can I actually remove this package?
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• 3895[22:16:55] <cawo> apt-get --purge autoremove weechat
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• 3897[22:17:53] <Ooze> replaced-url
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• 3900[22:18:40] <cawo> which weechat ; dpkg -S /usr/bin/weechat
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• 3903[22:19:10] <Ooze> which = /usr/local/bin/weechat
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• 3905[22:19:37] <cawo> ah, /usr/local means outside of apt's management. Did you make install? checkinstall?
• 3906[22:19:48] <Ooze> Maybe, been a while
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• 3908[22:19:52] <greycat> you either built from source, or installed from a third-party package
• 3909[22:19:54] <Ooze> Trying to upgrade
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• 3912[22:20:30] <cawo> !checkinstall
• 3913[22:20:30] <dpkg> CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. replaced-url
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• 3915[22:20:40] <cawo> ^^ that's for the future, instead of make install.
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• 3922[22:22:27] <Ooze> So, maybe I should try to find the 2.3 source and uninstall it from there? Then I can install the updated package?
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• 3924[22:22:58] <greycat> I don't know weechat specifically, but *usually* you can just "make install" in the newer source tree (with the same --prefix you used last time) and install over the older version
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• 3928[22:23:39] <cawo> In the 2.3 case you could also have installed from stretch-backports, which is 2.3
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• 3932[22:24:18] <Ooze> I don't have that in my sources.list right now, but I could have
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• 4118[23:20:36] <jhutchins> I have a dell latitude 6430u. All of the function keys work EXCEPT the one to turn off the trackpad. This is very annoying when writing something like email in my actual lap.
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• 4120[23:21:29] <Spida> jhutchins: does the key send a keycode?
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• 4122[23:22:15] <jhutchins> Spida: Good place to start, what function would I have it call?
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• 4127[23:25:41] <Spida> jhutchins: i kind of remember that you can manually turn of and on the touchpad with xevents or something similar
• 4128[23:26:01] <Spida> jhutchins: you could map the keycode to that command
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• 4130[23:26:52] <Spida> jhutchins: sorry I can't be more specific, I am typing on a smartphone which is not that funny
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