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17 [00:06:46] <zark_> hello, how do yo uguys proceed to write a
command line in the shell ?
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19 [00:06:58] <davidl2> Iceweasel keeps crashing with an error
... [NPAPI 14726] ###!!! ABORT: Aborting on channel error.: file
/build/firefox-esr-9zKz3f/firefox-esr-45.4.0esr/ipc/glue/MessageChannel.cpp,
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20 [00:07:05] <zark_> i mean how do you find the correct words
and cmd
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22 [00:07:32] <davidl2> zark_: 'apropos'
23 [00:07:57] <n4dir> apropos can be useful, command completion
can be useful, history command completion can be useful, zark_
24 [00:08:31] <zark_> a propos ? davidl2 n4dir
25 [00:08:56] <n4dir> apropos mount, for example
26 [00:09:06] <zark_> oooh it s equal to man -k
27 [00:09:10] <Cueball> I have some IPv6 routes stuck in my
routing table that are only visible via route -6 and don't show
on ip -6 route. Would anyone know how I can clear these?
28 [00:09:23] <zark_> ty guys
29 [00:09:34] <n4dir> zark_: good one, never heard of man -k
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31 [00:10:15] <Dagger> Cueball: not even in, say, `ip -6 r s tab
local`?
32 [00:10:43] <Cueball> Dagger: Ahh yep they show in there!
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34 [00:11:19] <Cueball> I've tried ip -6 route flush dev lo
and this doesn't clear them
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37 [00:12:40] <Dagger> why do you want to clear them? I
would've thought anything in that table is there because it
needs to be
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43 [00:14:22] <Cueball> Dagger: I rebooted my system last week
and it seems now that some of my IPv6 routes are stuck on the
loopback device rather than being assigned to the eth0
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45 [00:15:25] <Cueball> Also I had to do ip addr flush dev eth0
just to get the eth0 to become active.
46 [00:15:39] <Cueball> It would fail otherwise.
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48 [00:16:53] <Cueball> Dagger: How can I clear items in there?
Even if it is one by one?
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53 [00:18:57] <Dagger> I guess `ip r d <blah>/<N>
dev <blah> table local`, if it works
54 [00:19:20] <Dagger> but the only entries I have in that table
correspond to each IP, so the right way to move or remove them would
be to move or remove the IP itself
55 [00:19:46] <Dagger> (plus the multicast(?) routes)
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73 [00:32:06] <b6s3d> howdy guys
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75 [00:32:39] <b6s3d> how do i upgrade kernel ? i have tried
sudo apt-get install linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 but uname -r shows
old kernel
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77 [00:33:04] <nkuttler> b6s3d: linux-image, not -headers
78 [00:33:38] <b6s3d> i installed both
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80 [00:33:46] <nkuttler> b6s3d: did you reboot?
81 [00:33:50] <b6s3d> yes
82 [00:33:58] <nkuttler> what's the old kernel anway?
83 [00:34:00] <b6s3d> i have to do it from backdoors yes?
84 [00:34:15] <b6s3d> yeah its vps, do i have to do it from
Openvz?
85 [00:34:34] <missmbob> then you can't upgrade it
86 [00:34:37] <nkuttler> openvz.. probably has it's own
kernel you can't change
87 [00:34:51] <missmbob> with openvz you use whatever the host
has. you can't do anything
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89 [00:35:18] <b6s3d> i also have ssh
90 [00:35:25] <missmbob> doesn't matter what you have
91 [00:35:38] <nkuttler> b6s3d: talk to your hosting company
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93 [00:35:56] <missmbob> and they'll tell you to eat it
because it affects all the other customers on that server
94 [00:36:06] <missmbob> get a real vps like linode kvm
95 [00:36:11] <nkuttler> or switch to a hoster with a more
modern tech
96 [00:36:12] <nkuttler> right
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101 [00:37:02] <b6s3d> its 2.6.32-042stab112.15 for crying out
loud
102 [00:37:08] <missmbob> nothing you can do
103 [00:37:17] <nkuttler> b6s3d: you won't get a different
answer by repeating the question
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192 [01:16:12] <Roland-> hy folks, any idea if I can separate
parts of vrrp traffic into a more secure vlan ?
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194 [01:16:17] <Roland-> such as multicast etc
195 [01:17:31] <Roland-> I mean only for the vvrp traffic itself,
it's on the wan and I am not confortable
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252 [01:42:37] <zark_> i love you
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255 [01:43:50] <thurstylark> I currently have iptables set up to
act as a router. I want to stop all of that. Does loading an empty
table accomplish this?
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281 [01:56:10] <thurstylark> welp. `iptables -F` did the thing :P
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423 [03:15:55] <jusss> drwxr-xr-x root root /mnt, how I can read
and write file into /mnt use regular user account?
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427 [03:16:11] <jusss> can setuid or setgid do that?
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441 [03:27:10] <somiaj> jusss: do you have some other file system
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483 [03:47:06] <jusss> somiaj: I mount /dev/sdb1 into /mnt, and
it's ext4 file system
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526 [04:14:54] <vvande> So I updated my Debian 7.0 box and now
the screen keeps going black. KDE power management has nothing that
will fix this.
527 [04:15:19] <vvande> Any suggestions for something in a config
file that works would be appreciated.
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530 [04:19:44] <jusss> I use `chomd g+s /mnt` and I use regular
user to write files into /mnt, and it still doesn't work, why?
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535 [04:23:03] <druggie> why isn't i2p in the official
repositories?
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545 [04:29:54] <missmbob> bug #448638
546 [04:29:55] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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549 [04:30:18] <missmbob> there's a lot of reading that
i'm not going to do but you probably should if you care
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558 [04:38:19] <druggie> missmbob: yeah sure but they didn't
even mention why
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567 [04:41:57] <luke-jr> Is there a way to boot off USB from UEFI
shell?
568 [04:42:06] <luke-jr> don't see a way to get my system to
boot off USB directly :/
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572 [04:45:47] <missmbob> the person assigned as ITP dropped off
the face of the earth it seems. who knows. maybe he died.
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574 [04:46:27] <factor> Does the stable relase of debian have the
package libsdl2-2.0-0:i386
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576 [04:47:06] <TomTomTo1> ,v libsdl2-2.0-0
577 [04:47:07] <judd> Package: libsdl2-2.0-0 on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 2.0.0+dfsg1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.2+dfsg1-6;
stretch: 2.0.4+dfsg2-1; sid: 2.0.5+dfsg1-1
578 [04:47:13] <TomTomTo1> yes ^^
579 [04:47:16] <missmbob> and yes, there's a i386 package
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581 [04:47:44] <factor> How do I apt get the i386 package for it
582 [04:47:58] <TomTomTo1> !multiarch
583 [04:47:58] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
584 [04:48:21] <missmbob> !tell factor about multiarch howto
585 [04:48:28] <factor> I have other i386 packages , just not sdl
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587 [04:48:59] <factor> Does backports have a i386 version
588 [04:49:19] <missmbob> it's not in jessie-backports
589 [04:49:35] <factor> jessie is what I have .
590 [04:49:44] <missmbob> it's in jessie proper. not
backports.
591 [04:49:50] <factor> oh
592 [04:50:43] <factor> I have the arch i386 install, how would I
find sdl2
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594 [04:50:58] <factor> not for 64b buit 32b
595 [04:51:07] <factor> or does it get both
596 [04:51:47] <factor> libsdl2-2.0-0 - Simple DirectMedia Layer
597 [04:51:55] <factor> i see that but imainge its the 64 bit
598 [04:52:10] <missmbob> you just do apt-get install
libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 (you add the :i386 at the end to get that)
599 [04:52:19] <missmbob> the multiarch howto tells you all of
that
600 [04:52:56] <TomTomTo1> apt will try to install the package
for your native architecture if you don't specify anything
else.
601 [04:53:14] <factor> Cool that worked.
602 [04:53:24] <factor> Thanks
603 [04:53:40] <missmbob> next time try the reading we suggest
before asking more questions :P put a little effort
604 [04:54:29] * TomTomTo1 has middle school flashbacks D:
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638 [05:22:37] <sn0wmonster> Q: is there a way i can monitor a
daemon like ZNC in debian to detect whenever it tries to make a new
outbound connection, then auto-route that connection through a SOCKS
proxy?
639 [05:22:53] <sn0wmonster> (the intended result would be to
make sure every connection ZNC made was through a proxy)
640 [05:23:22] <sn0wmonster> ZNC as it is does not allow such
functionality, and changing it seems to be a bigger task than anyone
i have tried to hire for it wants to take on
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668 [05:55:01] <daemon> sn0wmonster, does it support http proxy?
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670 [05:56:04] <sn0wmonster> it does not have any settings for
proxies anywhere i can see, and the issue tracker shows this request
from as far back as 2 years ago with incremented requests for the
same thing
671 [05:56:20] <sn0wmonster> i have come to the conclusion that
if i don't write the code myself or hire someone to, it's
not going to get done
672 [05:57:13] <daemon> so you just want it to supp[ort proxies
generally
673 [05:57:15] <daemon> nothing special
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676 [05:58:38] <sn0wmonster> yea, basically
677 [05:58:52] <sn0wmonster> to be able to connect client >
ZNC > proxy > IRC server
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679 [05:59:18] <sn0wmonster> right now it assumes no one wants
that ability because ZNC itself acts as a proxy server for the
client's IRC connection
680 [05:59:40] <sn0wmonster> but some of us run ZNC servers with
the same risk model as a client (don't want to advertise the
address to everyone on IRC
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682 [05:59:59] <sn0wmonster> that goes without saying when your
ZNC is run from home
683 [06:00:42] <Jame57> I live on the east coast of australia,
the primary debian server is on the west coast, it is faster for me
to use the New Zealand primary mirror, wish the primary mirror for
australia was on the east coast, sydney/melbourne
684 [06:01:11] <Jame57> I'm over issues with leaf mirrors
685 [06:01:18] <daemon> sn0wmonster, so proxy per user
686 [06:01:24] <daemon> or per profile
687 [06:02:23] <sn0wmonster> daemon, correct. ZNC keeps profiles
separate where you, for example, "adduser", then inside
that user is "addnetwork [user]" followed by
"addserver [network]"
688 [06:02:30] <daemon> yeah I use znc my self
689 [06:02:56] <daemon> whats the project worth
690 [06:03:00] <sn0wmonster> but i would like to be able to
addproxy [user] [network]
691 [06:03:17] <sn0wmonster> apparently that can't be done
simply with just a python plugin (ZNC allows plugins)
692 [06:03:25] <sn0wmonster> or at least that's what 2
python developers have told me
693 [06:03:33] <daemon> no it aint, its core
694 [06:03:45] <sn0wmonster> so it'd need to be done in C++
i take it
695 [06:04:21] <daemon> yes
696 [06:04:29] <sn0wmonster> do you have an opinion on whether i
should look fro a C++ programmar to make this change, or if i should
keep looking for a possible solution outside of ZNC?
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698 [06:05:00] <sn0wmonster> does it seam feasible to have an
event in debian that just routes anything-from-ZNC to a random
proxy?
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700 [06:05:17] <daemon> solution outside of znc would just be
using something like .. christ whats its name redsocks or ... there
is a command line thing that lets you chain together proxies
701 [06:05:25] <daemon> you coul chain together an openport on
127.0.0.1 out via a proxy
702 [06:05:30] <daemon> and tell whichever use to connect via
that
703 [06:05:31] <daemon> as a hack
704 [06:05:59] <daemon> if you want random you be better off
writing your own fake irc server iun w/e language you like
705 [06:06:03] <daemon> client connects it connects to a proxy
706 [06:06:09] <daemon> and just relays info back and forth
707 [06:06:21] <daemon> no need for any irc bitys
708 [06:06:23] <daemon> bits*
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844 [07:39:29] <stephanie92> does anyone know if xdotool can
select specific elements on an html page?
845 [07:39:37] <stephanie92> for instance, filling out a form
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853 [07:44:44] <nkuttler> stephanie92: i doubt it, what are you
trying to do?
854 [07:45:31] <stephanie92> nkuttler: log into a ton of vms from
a novnc window :d
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857 [07:46:36] <nkuttler> stephanie92: if it's just
submitting a predictable form, tools like curl will do
858 [07:46:59] <nkuttler> stephanie92: if you need javascript it
gets more complex
859 [07:48:51] <stephanie92> nkuttler: Okies :) I think i may be
able to use imacro as well. Just need to figure out how to issue a
tab command along with some keystrokes. Unfortunately, I think
imacro solely relies on html tags/ids or some type of identifier and
doesn't issue a black keystroke
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861 [07:49:09] <stephanie92> blank*
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863 [07:49:49] <nkuttler> stephanie92: if the forms are simple a
script with one line per vm would do
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865 [07:50:08] <nkuttler> but if this imacro thing works for you
go for it
866 [07:50:25] <stephanie92> nkuttler: kk, and if it
doesn't, you'll def hear back from me >;)
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874 [07:58:17] <somiaj> stephanie92: forms are just POST data,
you can just send the server the variables it wants.
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897 [08:19:48] <GlitterPony5000> hi all
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950 [09:01:50] <Qwerty22> hi, I have debian sid. how long I must
wait without upgrading to get debian 9?
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954 [09:03:43] <jusss> when I put my usb-stick, and system auto
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955 [09:03:55] <jusss> the dm is lxde
956 [09:04:01] <jusss> lightdm, openbox
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964 [09:08:39] <themill> Qwerty22: You may well have packages
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1078 [10:19:00] <shortCircuit__> hello
1079 [10:20:00] <shortCircuit__> does anyone know where can I read
about how to write a c program to monitor network from my computer
and see wether the internet is conncted or not
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1111 [10:37:14] <holgersson> Hello everyone! I’m planning to
migrate an existing Linux Mint installation to Debian Testing.
Therefore I’ve got some questions: 1st, is it advisable to
just change package sources and install the debian packages over the
mint ones or should I reinstall (and keep user data, OFC)?
1112 [10:37:14] <holgersson> 2nd, is it advisable to use
ubuntu’s PPAs in Debian? AFAIR everyone warned about mixing
ubuntu-debs and debian-debs years ago when I used both.
1113 [10:37:14] <holgersson> Thanks for you answer in advance!
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1115 [10:38:38] <n4dir> imho: a) reinstall and b) don't use
ubuntu repos
1116 [10:38:42] <Rephlexie> holgersson, personally i'd tar up
my ~ and reinstall
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1118 [10:38:43] <th0r> holgersson, for my money, do a fresh
install, and definitely do not mix repos
1119 [10:38:43] <SwedeMike> holgersson: I would recommend
re-install and not to mix ubuntu and debian PPAs. If you need ubuntu
PPAs, why don't you run Ubuntu?
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1127 [10:42:57] <holgersson> Thanks!
1128 [10:43:47] <holgersson> SwedeMike: Honestly I’m not
entirely sure I’ll need them anyway; it was more a general
question
1129 [10:44:24] <holgersson> SwedeMike: And err, not using ubuntu
is partly a decision of personal preferences. ;)
1130 [10:44:45] <holgersson> However, I got my answers. Thank you
all again! Have a nice day :)
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1215 [11:27:58] <g00se1> Have always used aptitude (per rec.) so,
if when i'm forced to use dpkg (installing Skype) how will i
get on, first resolving deps and secondly purging it and its deps
(hoping to do that ASAP)?
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1219 [11:30:13] <nbags> g00se1: gdebi will resolve the deps. there
are other ways as well. purging is not an issue, it works the same
as if you installed it with apt
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1225 [11:32:29] <pingfloyd> g00se1: if you do install with dpkg
and there are missing dependencies, you can just run 'apt-get
-f install'
1226 [11:32:37] <pingfloyd> afterward
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1229 [11:33:22] <pingfloyd> if you use gdebi, you don't need
to bother with that as it should bring in needed dependencies as if
you ran apt-get install pkg
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1235 [11:37:09] <g00se1> OK. Haven't heard of gdebi. If
afterward i do aptitude purge skype will all deps go too?
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1237 [11:37:30] <themill> fsvo all
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1251 [11:45:30] <hugo> Hello,
1252 [11:45:35] <g00se1> If afterward i do aptitude purge skype
will all deps go too?
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1254 [11:46:27] <hugo> i have an error when trying to re add a
disk previously removed ==> mdadm: /dev/sdc1 not large enough to
join array. I precise that the 2 disk (raid1) are the same
1255 [11:46:33] <hugo> could you help me ?
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1285 [12:02:27] <mariusp> Hi all, anyone have any experience using
ucarp? Im wondering whether it can handle a black friday type
workload. Im expecting about 60K simultaneous users on our site and
would like to use it to load balance a couple of vanrish servers.
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1305 [12:12:33] <mister> hello
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1308 [12:13:24] <mariusp> hi
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1327 [12:32:12] <nbags> g00se1: you need to do a purge, then an
autoremove
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1346 [12:40:02] <g00se1> nbags: thanks
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1363 [12:48:26] <danke> does lightdm support multiple user logins?
if i switch to lightdm from gdm3 the switch user button in gnome no
longer responds
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1386 [13:07:35] <stoned> I am alive and well. I would recommend
personally not to use those DMs as they are bloatwares.
1387 [13:07:43] <stoned> Even the lightdm is bloated compared to
well... XDM.
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1389 [13:08:07] <stoned> Why even have a DM?
1390 [13:08:27] <nkuttler> because your gf hates the console login
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1392 [13:09:04] <danke> yeah, i have a three year old and a seven
year old
1393 [13:09:15] <stoned> My gf doesn't play games :)
1394 [13:09:19] <stoned> nkuttler: o/
1395 [13:09:28] <danke> the seven year old would probably be happy
with console login. especially if i told him it was hacking
1396 [13:09:33] <danke> 3 year old not so much
1397 [13:09:37] <stoned> Ah.
1398 [13:09:39] <stoned> Children.
1399 [13:09:58] <stoned> Man. You've got some testicular
fortitude to be able to do that.
1400 [13:10:05] <stoned> Me? I'm scared of them.
1401 [13:10:07] <dutchfish> danke, lightdm has automatic multiseat
detection, if that is what you are after. You can configure it in
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | aka xserver-command=/usr/bin/X :N |
where N starts at 0 and higher for every manually configured X per
user.
1402 [13:10:22] <stoned> Tiny versions of mental adults. Kids.
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1404 [13:10:23] <stoned> Ha.
1405 [13:10:28] <danke> yeah, haha. i mean, debian has been the
best os by a mile for a family. gnome is obvious to them
1406 [13:10:33] <stoned> Me too
1407 [13:10:42] <stoned> Even my old mum can login
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1409 [13:10:48] <danke> dutchfish, thanks! i didn't know the
term. i'll go read up :)
1410 [13:10:49] <stoned> Easy peasy.
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1412 [13:10:59] <dutchfish> danke, yw
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1414 [13:11:07] <danke> stoned, you're not wrong. kids are
mental.
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1416 [13:11:31] <stoned> I'm a kid. I'm still mental.
I'm 35.
1417 [13:11:33] <stoned> :D
1418 [13:11:51] <stoned> dutchfish: I do it manually, if there
another user who needs my pc
1419 [13:12:05] <stoned> dutchfish: just stich to another tty,
start another X, voila.
1420 [13:12:05] <dutchfish> stoned, fair enough
1421 [13:12:10] <stoned> Keep it easy peasy, seperated.
1422 [13:12:32] <stoned> dutchfish: are you the same person as
thingfish?
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1424 [13:12:41] <dutchfish> stoned, not all are as gifted as you.
Some need manuals, like me ;)
1425 [13:12:41] <stoned> Hopefuly. Possibly.
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1427 [13:12:52] <stoned> Oh, I'm hardly gifted, mate.
1428 [13:13:59] <dutchfish> stoned, btw, fyi, i like the console
too.
1429 [13:14:05] <wondiws> I have here a friends Toshiba notebook
with worn out HDD, I want to try to reinstall it with another HDD,
Windows 8 eventually, but I'm puzzled by the UEFI? firmware. I
try to install debian now, but the netinst image won't boot
from USB stick, while on my own computer it perfectly boots. What is
this?
1430 [13:14:07] <stoned> I just smoked a LOT of Cannabis. I mean a
lot. Like the Hindus who used massive quantities of Cannabis, and
then wrote Veda, Vedanta, Upanishads. I get stoned, figure out the
Universe, and write about it here at
replaced-url
1431 [13:14:13] <stoned> OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro:
Debian 8.6-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3774.920 MHz)-Processes:
659-Uptime: 8d 8h 51m-Users: 5-Load Average: 0.04-Memory Usage:
3526.63MB/8002.49MB (-26.92%)-Disk Usage: 3394.44GB/3734.40GB
(90.90%)
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1434 [13:14:50] <dutchfish> stoned, maybe try #d-o
1435 [13:14:50] <stoned> No greed for new hardwares like you
remember. Always hunting new cpu, video cards, just... greed. Goes
away when you get older. I find myself turning into super snobby
debian guy.
1436 [13:14:54] <stoned> oh right, my bad.
1437 [13:14:57] <n4dir> danke: just in case you never heard it.
The other day i thought about Doudou-Linux (for children).
1438 [13:15:11] <stoned> wondiws: I have it the same setup
1439 [13:15:20] <stoned> Toshiba laptop, windows 10 and debian.
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1442 [13:15:41] <danke> n4dir, thanks. i'll take a look
1443 [13:15:50] <stoned> wondiws: so first you turn off EUFI and
go back to legacy CSM iirc.
1444 [13:15:59] <wondiws> stoned, I could boot Windows PE from the
same USB stick though, but then I'm missing storage drivers :S
1445 [13:16:00] <stoned> wondiws: then you turn off secure boot
1446 [13:16:05] <stoned> Do you need windows?
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1448 [13:16:07] <wondiws> even though apparantly there are two
devices on the SATA bus :S
1449 [13:16:09] <stoned> Or can you wipe it?
1450 [13:16:14] <wondiws> stoned, yes, it's for a friend
1451 [13:16:28] <wondiws> he uses photoshop and InDesign
1452 [13:16:32] <stoned> I don't know Preboot Env.
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1455 [13:16:46] <stoned> Like a sysprep?
1456 [13:16:51] <n4dir> danke: there are several, i think they are
listed at wiki.debian.org, but the only one i ever looked at was
doudou
1457 [13:17:12] <stoned> wondiws: well, disable EFI and
secureboot, and then you'll be able to switch out the HDD
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1459 [13:17:21] <wondiws> stoned, Windows PE is some small Windows
environment, but you can start the Windows setup from it
1460 [13:17:27] <wondiws> stoned, I already disabled secureboot
1461 [13:17:28] <stoned> But you can still keep efi
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1465 [13:18:13] <stoned> My issue is slightly diff, iirc. I
switched out the hdd with a diff hdd, b/c it broke. That iirc, gave
me some hassle b/c the laptop wouldn't accept the hdd
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1469 [13:18:50] <stoned> So I had to hook up the OLD broken hdd,
1470 [13:19:10] <stoned> Change the settings to enable secureboot,
then hook up the 2nd hdd, then disabled it, then install debian.
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1473 [13:19:19] <stoned> I think. It was a whole convoluted mess.
1474 [13:19:29] <stoned> It may take a few tries to get it right.
1475 [13:19:32] <stoned> I don't fully remember
1476 [13:19:34] <stoned> <-
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1479 [13:20:15] <wondiws> stoned, secureboot isn't an issue,
I could disable it in BIOS setup and start from USB... but Debian
doesn't boot
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1482 [13:21:48] <danke> n4dir, fwiw both my kids find using debian
a breeze. they discovered the dyanamic virtual desktop feature
without prompting, and happily login and browse. the terminal would
be a bit much though i think. windows 10 was a complete nightmare
where they were both constantly trashing the desktop/taskbar/start
menu and needed help finding stuff
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1484 [13:22:23] <Hello71> wondiws: how did you make the usb drive
1485 [13:22:30] <stoned> Got disconnected.
1486 [13:22:32] <Hello71> the contents, not the physical device
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1489 [13:22:46] <stoned> Hello71: I ws going to ask this, my wifi
dropped.
1490 [13:22:54] <wondiws> Hello71, I just dd the mini.iso to USB,
my own notebook perfectly boots that
1491 [13:23:15] <stoned> wondiws: when you put the usb into the
toshiba laptop, do you get any usb boot options?
1492 [13:23:17] <Hello71> wondiws: yeah, if you are using EFI I
think you need to do some extra work
1493 [13:23:19] <stoned> Does that heppen?
1494 [13:23:23] <Hello71> because the GPT is at the *end* of the
device
1495 [13:23:34] <stoned> If not, you dind't burn the USB
correctly
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1497 [13:23:40] <wondiws> stoned, I can select USB boot, my
Windows kernel image does boot from USB
1498 [13:23:55] <stoned> It's not windows, but the laptop
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1501 [13:24:18] <stoned> It passes boot control to whichever
device you select durinb boot
1502 [13:24:21] <wondiws> stoned, how should I prepare the debian
image?
1503 [13:24:26] <stoned> !d-i
1504 [13:24:27] <dpkg> Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the
"stable" Debian release. See
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1506 [13:24:30] <stoned> Follow the install guide.
1507 [13:24:37] <stoned> I can't sit here and repeat the
guide. :)
1508 [13:24:56] <stoned> !ig
1509 [13:24:57] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8
"Jessie" can be found at
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1512 [13:25:54] <stoned> You want chapters 3 and 4 more so.
1513 [13:25:58] <Hello71> stoned: I don't think it explains
how to fix the GPT.
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1515 [13:26:15] <stoned> Let's see
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1517 [13:26:50] <Hello71> huh, never mind what I said
1518 [13:27:35] <Hello71> wondiws: fdisk -l your drive, and see if
there's an "EFI shell" option somewhere in the
firmware
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1520 [13:27:57] <stoned>
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1524 [13:28:34] <Hello71> yes, that explains why you should *not*
boot in BIOS mode
1525 [13:28:50] <Hello71> more precisely CSM
1526 [13:28:52] <stoned> Eh. "should"
1527 [13:28:53] <Hello71> mode.
1528 [13:29:02] <stoned> I only ever use CSM legacy.
1529 [13:29:18] <stoned> Keep EFI off. EFI. Makes me sound like
... letters.
1530 [13:29:21] <stoned> I don't like letters.
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1532 [13:29:27] <Hello71> The latter becomes important when
booting debian-installer on a UEFI system with CSM because
debian-installer checks whether it was started on a BIOS- or on a
native UEFI system and installs the corresponding bootloader.
Normally this simply works but there can be a problem in multi-boot
environments.
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1534 [13:29:38] <stoned> *nod*
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1537 [13:30:11] <stoned> I should reboot my lapotp and check the
settings.
1538 [13:30:13] <stoned> I forgot.
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1540 [13:30:25] <Hello71> great, if you want slower boots, no
support for modern firmware features, and not learn about future
technologies
1541 [13:30:43] <teraflops> ಠ_à²
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1543 [13:31:07] <stoned> Hey
1544 [13:31:11] <stoned> why judge, man?
1545 [13:31:19] <Hello71> I said "great".
1546 [13:31:20] <stoned> My computing doesn't have to be YOUR
computing.
1547 [13:31:26] <stoned> It's called. PERSONAL. computing.
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1549 [13:31:32] <teraflops> Hello71: I dont get the slower boots
bit
1550 [13:31:34] <stoned> Are we on this together, then? :D
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1552 [13:31:58] <Hello71> teraflops: if you use CSM your boot is
slower than EFI
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1554 [13:32:04] <stoned> It isn't.
1555 [13:32:14] <stoned> I could be wrong or ignorant, but I doubt
this.
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1557 [13:32:21] <stoned> Have you a paper or something you could
link us to?
1558 [13:32:25] <Hello71> the exact *amount* is dependent on your
firmware
1559 [13:32:25] <teraflops> Hello71: in your machine or in a
general sense?
1560 [13:32:44] <stoned> Hello71: would you be able to provide any
literature on this
1561 [13:32:45] <Hello71> it may be a small amount or perceptible
1562 [13:32:46] <wondiws> Hello71, maybe this isn't EFI after
all, it's "Aptio Setup Utiliy - Merican Megatrends
1563 [13:32:49] <stoned> Technically detailed.
1564 [13:33:19] <stoned> That might could be more useful than just
back and forth here.
1565 [13:33:40] <Hello71> for example on my MBA it takes a few
extra seconds, I think having something to do with the video mode
change
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1567 [13:33:55] <stoned> Hello71: so percieved slowness?
1568 [13:34:06] <teraflops> Hello71: it's easy to measure
1569 [13:34:11] <teraflops> systemd-analyze
1570 [13:34:25] <stoned> I don't think he means that.
1571 [13:34:42] <Hello71>
replaced-url
1572 [13:34:45] <teraflops> stoned: then I dont know what is ey
talking about
1573 [13:34:45] <stoned> Once the control is passed off to the OS,
then the booting is however long it takes no matter the bios version
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1575 [13:34:54] <Hello71> sure
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1578 [13:35:03] <stoned> He means form power on, to debian
selection. That is booting.
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1580 [13:35:08] <stoned> Machine booting. OS booting is diff.
1581 [13:35:13] <stoned> Please specify
1582 [13:35:14] <Hello71> which is also how systemd-analyze
defines it
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1584 [13:35:27] <Hello71> "Startup finished in 4.789s
(firmware) + 104ms (loader) + 2.072s (kernel) + 1.236s (userspace) =
8.203s"
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1586 [13:35:48] <teraflops> then blame the hw maker and they UEFI
implememtation
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1588 [13:35:53] <Hello71> the fact that BIOS is crappy and
firmware time cannot be measured is a separate issue
1589 [13:35:57] <teraflops> their*
1590 [13:36:20] <stoned> Notice the mentality
1591 [13:36:27] <stoned> As soon as something is slightly older
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1593 [13:36:30] <teraflops> btw I'm not a UEFI hater at all
1594 [13:36:36] <stoned> We turn hateful towrards it
1595 [13:36:39] <Hello71> by definition CSM must put some
low-level things to IBM PC compatible, which the Linux kernel must
then restore to the "modern" functions
1596 [13:36:45] <stoned> Just b/c something new is out, we rail on
the old.
1597 [13:36:48] <Hello71> like the VGA video mode.
1598 [13:36:53] <stoned> "BIOS is crappy."
1599 [13:37:04] <teraflops> BIOS if nice imo
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1601 [13:37:08] <stoned> It's BIOS, man. It's neither
crappy, nor NON-crappy.
1602 [13:37:13] <teraflops> you can do GPT with bios too btw
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1604 [13:37:22] <stoned> You sure?
1605 [13:37:29] <teraflops> yeah Im pretty sure
1606 [13:37:30] <stoned> GPT requires EFI, no?
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1608 [13:37:35] <teraflops> nope
1609 [13:37:35] <stoned> I was sure it did.
1610 [13:37:37] <teraflops> nope
1611 [13:37:38] <stoned> zomg.
1612 [13:37:42] <stoned> stoned is wrong again.
1613 [13:37:44] <stoned> oh boy.
1614 [13:37:47] <teraflops> heh
1615 [13:37:49] <stoned> :)
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1618 [13:38:18] <Hello71> BIOS sucks. EFI also sucks, but in
different ways.
1619 [13:38:19] <stoned> Hm. Well I learned soemthing new today
1620 [13:38:21] <stoned> thanks Hello71
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1622 [13:38:30] <stoned> Hello71: everything sucks. And nothing
sucks.
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1624 [13:38:38] <stoned> It's all in your own perspective.
1625 [13:38:47] <Hello71> for the most part with modern firmwares
CSM on top of EFI sucks more than just giving up and using EFI.
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1627 [13:39:08] <stoned> I'm on 8year old core 2 quad q9550
and that's my primary machine.
1628 [13:39:14] <stoned> The toshiba laptop is rarely used.
1629 [13:39:20] <stoned> I've not had much experience with
efi stuffs.
1630 [13:39:52] <Hello71> [12:31:58] < Hello71> teraflops:
if you use CSM your boot is slower than EFI
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1632 [13:39:56] <Hello71> [12:32:04] < stoned> It
isn't.
1633 [13:40:14] <stoned> If you're going to quote me out of
context
1634 [13:40:16] <Hello71> so... you don't have experience
with EFI but are confident enough to say that one is always faster
1635 [13:40:19] <stoned> I'm gonna smack you silly
1636 [13:40:23] <stoned> That's NOT how to converse.
1637 [13:40:31] <stoned> 06:32:14 stoned │ I could be wrong or
ignorant, but I doubt this.
1638 [13:40:41] <stoned> Don't quote out of context, just to
make a point.
1639 [13:40:51] <stoned> That's not conversation. That's
just throwing mud.
1640 [13:41:15] <themill> ##chat is over →
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1646 [13:42:15] <stoned> So if someone has clearly stated that
they are unsure, wrong or could be ignorant, there is no confidence
showcased. No need to argue. We can however still go deeply into
CSM/EFI without that Hello71
1647 [13:42:20] <stoned> *nod*
1648 [13:42:50] <Hello71> then what you ought to have said was
"I don't think so.". you didn't, you said
"It isn't.", then half-backtracked to "I'm
not sure", which is more certain.
1649 [13:43:23] <Hello71> meh.
1650 [13:43:49] <stoned> No sir. You dont' direct mine or
anyone else's speech. That's not how it works. We observe
what other say. We dont' tell them what to do say or how to
think. Now this is no longer about EFI but about us, and that's
not my interest. If we can dicuss tech stuff, fantastic.
1651 [13:44:15] <themill> stoned: seriously, we've just had
40min of you talking utter nonsense. Please take it elsewhere.
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1655 [13:44:46] <stoned> themill: and here we are, hating on
stoned, while some other person started the shit.
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1657 [13:44:51] <Hello71> FTR: "meh" means I'm done
here.
1658 [13:45:09] <stoned> He doesn't get it. He watns to be
the @ and dhow off. It's been that way fo ryears. Mentalities
don't change.
1659 [13:45:15] <stoned> they dislike someone, and they contineu
to disliek them for years.
1660 [13:45:19] <stoned> hateful people.
1661 [13:45:21] <stoned> *afk*
1662 [13:45:30] * Hello71 coughs something about irony
1663 [13:45:36] <TomTomTosch> if everyone tries to have the last
word it will just end in people banned ^^
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1667 [13:46:03] <themill> stoned: you continuing to ramble and
then wanting to argue with everyone got boring a decade ago.
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1669 [13:46:25] <Hello71> hey, I was legitimately trying to help,
but wondiws still didn't post fdisk -l
1670 [13:46:25] <stoned> We are talking tech stuff. He in the
middle of it, starts going adhom. Not me, him.
1671 [13:46:43] <stoned> I had the same laptop/setup and I was
trying t... yo uknow
1672 [13:46:45] <themill> stoned: you weren't...
1673 [13:46:47] <stoned> I don't have to defend myself
1674 [13:46:49] <wondiws> Hello71, from where do I run fdisk -l?
1675 [13:46:50] <stoned> do whatver you want.
1676 [13:46:50] <Hello71> wondiws: fwiw "Aptio" is an
EFI thing. (although I'm not *entirely* sure what exactly it
is)
1677 [13:46:59] <Hello71> wondiws: another computer
1678 [13:46:59] <themill> stoned: please just come back when you
can be useful
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1680 [13:47:10] <stoned> I was being useful. I have no idea why
you're starging this
1681 [13:47:15] <stoned> You dislike me, I get it. Let ti go.
1682 [13:47:16] <themill> *sigh*
1683 [13:47:42] <stoned> I'm sighing right now. I honestly
don't see why you're doing this. I'm just here
talking about whatever peopple are talking about.
1684 [13:47:45] <stoned> *sigh*
1685 [13:47:50] <wondiws> Hello71, later perhaps, I'm now
back to the windows image again
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1687 [13:47:58] <Hello71> TomTomTosch: popcorn?
1688 [13:48:18] <Hello71> wondiws: ok
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1691 [13:49:31] <stoned> Always just pickig on me. I'm just
the easy target, b/c "stoned". Over a decade, and still
just picking on me. SHAME on you. *afk* Always drive me away no
matter when I come in. That's fine. I still know how to use
debian and I don't need you to help me. 10 years later and
nothing has changed. Still the same bossy people trying to tell each
other how to think.
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1693 [13:49:35] <stoned> If one ever finds oneself in the company
of those that would ask you to censor your thoughts, ridicule your
ideas, avert your gaze, ask for respect, take offense or try to
police your behavior, you are absolutely in the company of crap.
Make no mistake. Find better company. - Hash Borgir (The Stoned Ape)
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1696 [13:49:44] <stoned> *afk* ban me or whatever. I'm done
with youy.
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1704 [13:52:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o eir
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*!*@2607:FB90:A42F:A681:E9EB:5B9:ABAA:6CDB$##fix_your_connection eir
1706 [13:52:36] <wondiws> what is this "Intel Rapid Storage
Technology"?
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1708 [13:53:15] <Hello71> in what context
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1711 [13:56:23] <wondiws> stoned, you also had a Toshiba
Satellite?
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1714 [13:56:55] <stoned> I don't know anymore.
1715 [13:57:03] <stoned> Will I get banend fo rnonsense just for
helping someone?
1716 [13:57:10] <stoned> I'm scared of even talking i here
anymore, dude.
1717 [13:57:13] <stoned> *shrug*
1718 [13:57:17] <wondiws> stoned, to ME?
1719 [13:57:40] <hexadecimal> stoned: you should go see a doctor
1720 [13:57:52] <stoned> I'm just a dumb stoner, man. What do
I know. You heard it from the channel master dictator.
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1724 [13:58:28] <themill> stoned: seriously... grow up, get clean,
learn to be less annoying and disruptive, go find love in /dev/null.
I don't care.
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1727 [13:58:51] <TomTomTosch> i had one. i'm still a bit
salty about it. the fan was inaccessible without disassembling the
thing from the top.
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1729 [13:59:15] <wondiws> TomTomTosch, there's a 10GB SSD
apparantly in it, what good is that? :S
1730 [13:59:42] <teraflops> TomTomTosch: like most of laptops I
had, you have to release the keyboard :S
1731 [13:59:45] <TomTomTosch> probably chaching. mine was from the
pre-ssd age, though.
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1733 [14:00:13] <TomTomTosch> *caching
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1735 [14:00:42] <password2> yo
1736 [14:01:00] <password2> anyone know how to get mpt working on
debian?
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1738 [14:01:25] <teraflops> wondiws: for speed up the hdd I guess
1739 [14:01:40] <teraflops> password2: mpt or mtp?
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1741 [14:02:18] <password2> mtp
1742 [14:02:22] <password2> woops
1743 [14:02:39] <password2> dang I've been typing it wrong
for a while now :(
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1745 [14:03:04] <password2> i have libmtp version 1.1.8 installed
1746 [14:03:11] <teraflops> password2: what did you tried, what
error you got?
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1748 [14:03:23] <teraflops> s/tried/try/g
1749 [14:04:09] *** Quits: iflema (~ian@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1750 [14:04:09] <password2> I followed this page
replaced-url
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1753 [14:04:47] <password2> I'm pluggin my mi max phone into
a usb hub and run mtp-detect , which says no raw devices found
1754 [14:04:57] <teraflops> hehe
1755 [14:05:20] <teraflops> lol ... stop and seek help elsewhere.
If you see results like :S
1756 [14:05:44] <password2> ooh
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1759 [14:06:03] <password2> connecting withut hub help
1760 [14:06:04] <teraflops> password2: well, do you have the same
error as there?
1761 [14:06:18] <password2> yes
1762 [14:06:21] <password2> i had
1763 [14:06:43] <teraflops> hmm powered usb hub?
1764 [14:06:46] <password2> plugin directly into pc yields
different results
1765 [14:07:01] <password2> not powered but the only device in the
hub
1766 [14:07:08] <wondiws> HUH? Now the Toshiba seems to boot from
my other USB stick, where I merely extracted the install files to...
how is that possible?
1767 [14:07:20] <wondiws> there's no boot record on it
1768 [14:07:21] <teraflops> afaik a hub is discouraged
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1770 [14:07:58] <teraflops> wondiws: UEFI?
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1772 [14:08:12] <password2> ok now , according to the wiki my
device is not supported
1773 [14:08:20] <wondiws> teraflops, is that a feature of UEFI?
1774 [14:08:24] <teraflops> password2: :(
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1777 [14:08:48] <windu> hi
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1779 [14:08:57] <password2> whats wrong teraflops ?
1780 [14:09:12] <teraflops> your device is not supported
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1783 [14:09:40] <teraflops> windu: if youre doing UEFI you dont
need MBR
1784 [14:09:46] <password2> yeah , i get "lease report this
VID/PID and the device model to the libmtp development team
1785 [14:09:46] <password2> Found 1 device(s): 2717:ff40 @ bus 1,
dev 3"
1786 [14:09:49] <password2> urg
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1788 [14:09:55] <password2> i tried to remove that newline
1789 [14:10:05] <password2> and hit enter by accident
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1791 [14:10:24] <windu> hei, you know parrot repo?
1792 [14:10:35] <teraflops> password2: is the device model fine,
sometimes I found you have to pass the right id
1793 [14:10:39] <wondiws> teraflops, but how does it know how to
boot it then? I'm straight into the Windows Setup
1794 [14:10:54] <password2> where do i need to pass an id?
1795 [14:11:24] <teraflops> wondiws: you dont even need a
bootlader
1796 [14:11:46] <teraflops> again if youre doing UEFI
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1798 [14:12:06] <password2> hmm
1799 [14:12:07] <teraflops> k
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1801 [14:12:29] <password2> seems the libmtp team plans to add
support in version 1.1.10
1802 [14:12:35] <raidghost> I manually copy a file to a server,
and the same one to an SFTP server. The file is 140MB.
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1804 [14:12:43] <raidghost> FTP: I have a rate arround 11MB/s
1805 [14:12:43] <teraflops> ,v libmtp
1806 [14:12:44] <judd> No package named 'libmtp' was
found in amd64.
1807 [14:12:48] <password2> meh
1808 [14:12:49] <raidghost> SFTP: I have a rate arround 4.5MB/s
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1810 [14:13:03] <raidghost> I understand the file has to be
encrypted before being sent. Is it the only impact on the file
transfer? (and actually this is not exactly transfer time, but
encryption time).
1811 [14:13:04] <password2> I have 6GB of files i need to copy to
my pc from my phone
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1813 [14:13:15] <password2> and through my wifi setup i only get
1mb/s
1814 [14:13:34] <teraflops> ,v libmtp-common
1815 [14:13:35] <judd> Package: libmtp-common on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.1.3-35-g0ece104-5; wheezy-backports: 1.1.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie:
1.1.8-1; jessie-backports: 1.1.10-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.12-1; sid:
1.1.12-1
1816 [14:13:45] <password2> samba or http is nice for fast copy
1817 [14:13:49] <teraflops> password2: tried jessie-backports ?
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1819 [14:13:56] <password2> i have not
1820 [14:14:21] <teraflops> does it look like the version you
need?
1821 [14:14:32] <password2> it does
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1823 [14:14:52] <password2> i see the newest version is 1.1.12 on
the sourceforge page
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1826 [14:15:06] <password2> i dont think i have used jessie
backporrts before
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1828 [14:15:30] <teraflops> password2:
replaced-url
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1831 [14:15:49] <teraflops> related info
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1835 [14:18:17] <password2> would you recommend i compile from
source or try the backports first?
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1838 [14:18:38] <teraflops> I recommend using backports
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1841 [14:19:19] <teraflops> well, I recommend using backports >
compiling from source
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1856 [14:24:08] <password2> now i just seem to need to mount it
manually too
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1858 [14:24:32] <password2> oh wait it already mounted
1859 [14:24:39] <password2> thanx for the help teraflops
1860 [14:25:00] <password2> usually i dread getting things to work
on debian , but in this case it was easy , thanx so much
1861 [14:25:20] <teraflops> password2: np
1862 [14:25:41] <password2> 17MB/s is much faster than 1MB/s
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1867 [14:28:16] <raidghost> teraflops: Is there a way to speed up
sftp ?
1868 [14:28:40] <password2> I've tried speeding it up
1869 [14:28:43] <raidghost> each connection i do from my server
gives me 3Mbps
1870 [14:28:52] <password2> aparently you can use a less secure
encryption scheme
1871 [14:29:12] <password2> honestly i just use http or samba for
large files
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1873 [14:29:22] <raidghost> So its the secure encryption scheme
that makes it ?
1874 [14:29:30] <password2> idk , maybe you can setup https
server?
1875 [14:29:43] <password2> raidghost, in my experience
1876 [14:29:52] <password2> and i tried loads of different things
1877 [14:30:01] <password2> scp and sftp included
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1879 [14:30:12] <password2> raidghost, is nfs an option?
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1882 [14:30:30] <password2> i use nfs between linux pcs
1883 [14:30:42] <raidghost> password2: Dont know if that is an
otpion. the server is staying in a datacentre
1884 [14:30:45] <password2> works better than a mapped network
drive does on windows
1885 [14:30:50] <password2> ah
1886 [14:30:56] <raidghost> And my desktop staying on a slower
line
1887 [14:30:56] <password2> yeah , its not meant for remote
1888 [14:31:03] <raidghost> I need the remote to be fast
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1890 [14:31:19] <raidghost> So i was wondering if i should install
proftpd and just allow IP-adresses i define
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1892 [14:32:13] <password2> yeah , might look into setting up
https?
1893 [14:32:23] <password2> i copy files with http
1894 [14:32:32] <password2> i have no idea how much load https
adds
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1906 [14:39:06] <password2> oh lol , the mtp device is choking my
network
1907 [14:39:23] <password2> its coppying to nfs folder at 18MB/s
on a 100base network
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1922 [14:49:29] <teraflops> password2: enable compression
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1924 [14:50:47] <teraflops> oops password2 sorry
1925 [14:50:56] <teraflops> raidghost: enable compression
1926 [14:51:25] <raidghost> teraflops: Compression in what way.
You lost me for some seconds
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1929 [14:51:51] <teraflops> raidghost: -C
1930 [14:52:02] <raidghost> What syntax?
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1932 [14:52:13] <teraflops> lol sftp -C host
1933 [14:52:31] <raidghost> Wondering if that setting is in winscp
too
1934 [14:52:43] <teraflops> raidghost: no idea never used that
thing
1935 [14:52:45] <raidghost> Since a friend of me is copying some
files and each session he gets 3Mbps
1936 [14:52:57] <Hello71> also sftp is bad
1937 [14:53:11] <teraflops> Hello71: lol why is sfto bad?
1938 [14:53:16] <teraflops> sftp*
1939 [14:53:39] <teraflops> or, what's better that sftp for
the same purposes?
1940 [14:53:40] <raidghost> better with sftp than ftp with
everything going into plain text on the web
1941 [14:53:42] <teraflops> than*
1942 [14:53:49] <Hello71> text-based, also for some reason I think
it uses in-band signaling
1943 [14:53:57] <Hello71> pretty sure scp is better
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1945 [14:54:20] <raidghost> No limitation?
1946 [14:54:35] <Hello71> cannot do ftp things
1947 [14:54:48] <Hello71>
replaced-url
1948 [14:55:03] <teraflops> pff
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1966 [15:02:26] <RebelCoder> Debian !!!
1967 [15:03:17] <unborn> Hello71: i use sftp only for long time..
everything works great on my end
1968 [15:03:22] <teraflops> Hello71: sftp is packet based, ftp is
text based, sftp also allow to stop7resume which scp doesnt
1969 [15:03:54] <Hello71> sure
1970 [15:04:03] <Hello71> but you can use rsync for that (which I
suspect is also faster than sftp)
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1972 [15:04:20] <unborn> Hello71: i use it instead of ftp as
well..
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1974 [15:04:26] <unborn> to be honest its faster
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1981 [15:05:28] <teraflops> Hello71: sorry but I just dont
understand what's your point, did you say sftp is just
"bad" and text-based?
1982 [15:05:35] <ksk> !tell Hello71 about ftp must die
1983 [15:05:53] <Hello71> s/bad/slow(er)/
1984 [15:06:04] <unborn> sftp on local net is around 70 to 80mb
uploads and over internet to my home server is about 30-45mb.. where
ftp when I tried gave me 30mb max on local and 15mb max over
internet.. however ftp is kindly not for me for security reasons..
1985 [15:06:33] <unborn> Hello71: ^^^
1986 [15:06:58] <Hello71> I was comparing to scp
1987 [15:07:04] <teraflops> use compresion, also the S stands for
secure, unless you end using rsync over ssh for such purposes (then
you defeat the speed bit)
1988 [15:07:18] <Hello71> and ftp is probably because of either
crappy client or crappy server (or both)
1989 [15:07:27] <teraflops> Hello71: ah, well, it was not clear,
that's why i asked
1990 [15:07:36] <unborn> sftp is good. sorry.
1991 [15:07:48] <teraflops> Hello71: no, sftp is because crappy
protocol
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1993 [15:07:50] <unborn> at least for me :)
1994 [15:07:52] <teraflops> ftp*
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1996 [15:08:10] <Hello71> well, ftp is extremely old
1997 [15:08:14] <teraflops> and bad
1998 [15:08:20] <teraflops> and ugly, and must die
1999 [15:08:23] <Hello71> literally older than the internet
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2002 [15:09:14] <unborn> ftp survived yet because people on
windows I think. anyway anyone who use it should be aware how bad it
is.
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2004 [15:09:34] <teraflops> idk why to be honest
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2006 [15:10:46] <RoyK> sftp and rsync is about as fast, since both
rely on ssh as transport, usually being the main bottleneck (rsa
encryption alone isn't very fast)
2007 [15:11:00] <teraflops> ssh(scp/sftp) with compression is
fine. also HPN patchset is just amazing
2008 [15:11:05] <RoyK> FTP is still good for distributing software
in some cases, although http has taken over most of that
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2013 [15:12:33] <RoyK> FTP with authentication is utterly
insecure, FTPS, that is FTP over SSL/TLS works, but making it work
across NAT is a PITA if at all possible
2014 [15:12:45] <teraflops> heh
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2017 [15:14:11] <RoyK> so a quick summarise, don't use FTP
2018 [15:14:14] <unborn> ftps is also much slower to my personal
opinion
2019 [15:14:29] <unborn> yeah..
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2021 [15:14:42] <RoyK> ftps is about the same as ftp, sftp is
slower, because of rsa
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2023 [15:14:54] <teraflops> I get nearly full gbit bandwidth usage
doing scp on my lan with HPN patchset
2024 [15:15:30] <unborn> RoyK: nah.. ftp and ftps give me about
same results for uploads.. ftps slightly slower then ftp..
2025 [15:15:52] <unborn> sftp fastest.. anyway ill be back later..
have to see client now.. tara
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2027 [15:16:50] <RoyK> unborn: unpatch sftp will never be faster
unless you use compression, since RSA still is slow
2028 [15:17:09] <teraflops> RoyK: -C helps though
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2030 [15:17:27] <RoyK> teraflops: depends on the data, obviously
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2033 [15:18:03] <RoyK> teraflops: do a wee test with an 1GB video
file
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2035 [15:18:13] <RoyK> h264 or something
2036 [15:18:14] <teraflops> well yeah
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2042 [15:20:54] <RoyK> you can see a huge difference between https
and ssh with slower machines like a raspberry pi - streaming over
ssh makes it rather useless for larger files, which incidentially
work well with https, and I can only guess it's because ssh
uses rsa for everything, while https uses rsa for key exchange and
something like aes for symmetric encryption
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2059 [15:25:30] <teraflops> well, if you have to stream video over
ssh something wrong is going on there with your streaming solution
:P
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2119 [15:43:29] <Stadtpirat> Hi there. I copied /bin/bash to
/mychroot/bin/bash and then I execute "chroot /mychroot
/bin/bash". Why do I get the error "chroot: failed to run
command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory"?
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2124 [15:45:55] <themill> Stadtpirat: is it a different
architecture chroot? Are all the dependencies of bash in the chroot?
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2128 [15:47:21] <Stadtpirat> themill, I don't know what you
mean by "different architecture chroot". I just copied
/bin/bash, that's all I did. How do I find out the dependencies
of bash?
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2137 [15:49:56] <themill> where did the chroot come from?
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2143 [15:50:59] <Stadtpirat> I am trying to wrap my head around
chroot and I thought it'd be a good and easy start to begin
with a chrooted bash shell.
2144 [15:51:04] <Stadtpirat> So I just did that.
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2148 [15:53:38] <themill> so the chroot came from "mkdir
/foo; cp /bin/bash /foo" ?
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2151 [15:54:22] <Stadtpirat> yes
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2153 [15:55:33] <themill> ahh, that's not going to work. Look
at the output of "ldd /bin/bash" as a starting point
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2164 [15:59:11] <Stadtpirat> themill, are those the libraries that
I need to copy over into /mychroot?
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2166 [16:00:36] <themill> yes
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2173 [16:03:35] <Stadtpirat> ywesome
2174 [16:03:42] <Stadtpirat> themill, thank you, working now
2175 [16:03:56] <Stadtpirat> And I know how to look for
dependencies. so Thanks twice
2176 [16:04:12] <Stadtpirat> almost too easy ;)
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2178 [16:04:32] <themill> btw debootstrap is a commonly used way
of making a chroot -- it contains a minimal install once completed
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2181 [16:05:29] <Stadtpirat> Oh that is cool. thanks
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2211 [16:24:13] <Stadtpirat> Different question now. Why I
php5-fpm in the systemd service file set to start with the
--nodaemonize option? If I run php5-fpm from the shell using
--nodaemonize, it's run in the foreground. systemd somehow
starts it in the background nonetheless. Why is that?
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2228 [16:33:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> magic. it's all done by
magic
2229 [16:34:23] <Stadtpirat> Magic does not exist. Everything has
a reason :)
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2233 [16:35:14] <teraflops> yeah magis is the reason
2234 [16:35:17] <teraflops> c*
2235 [16:36:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> what did you expect to happen?
The whole system stops booting and waits for some php service to
finish?
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2237 [16:36:40] <Stadtpirat> I don't expect anything. I am
jsut trying to understand it.
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2239 [16:38:19] <Stadtpirat> If I run the command in the shell,
php5-fpm starts in the forergound. If it's run by systemd, it
runs as a service. So systemd is doing something and I asked what.
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2247 [16:40:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> to speak with
slartibartfast… that's the wrong kind of question
2248 [16:41:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's doing the same thing
that your deamon does itself when you didn't call it with
--no-daemonize :)
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2267 [16:49:41] <Stadtpirat> I don't think
slartibartfast's words are wise :) How can one know a question
is of the wrong kind, if he doesn't know the answer? But I
don't want to get engaged in philosophy too much right now ;)
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2269 [16:49:55] <Stadtpirat> CutMeOwnThroat, but your answer is
still helpful.
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2290 [16:56:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> do you know how you can send any
process from the shell into the background?
2291 [16:57:12] <trone> How I can know the list of packages in a
debian image mounted on my fs? I cant use dpkg -l of course, because
the system isn't running.
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2293 [16:57:40] <Stadtpirat> ctrl-z and bg?
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2295 [16:58:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes… and what you're
kind of asking is "what's the difference between a
foreground process and a background process"
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2297 [16:59:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> and in the context of systemd
unit files, that question doesn't make much sense
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2299 [17:00:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> trone, you can chroot into it and
then do dpkg -l
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2301 [17:01:24] <DigbyMW> Is crunchbang compatible with all debian
software?
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2306 [17:02:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> trone, or read
/var/lib/dpkg/status
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2308 [17:02:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> DigbyMW, ask them… we use
debian, how should we know such a thing
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2316 [17:04:01] <trone> CutMeOwnThroat: thx
2317 [17:04:01] <DigbyMW> CutMeOwnThroat: because its a derivative
of debian?
2318 [17:04:26] <DigbyMW> And I couldn't find a crunchbang
chanell
2319 [17:04:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> DigbyMW, there's only
several hundred derivatives of debian?
2320 [17:04:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's #crunchbang here on
freenode
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2322 [17:05:08] <DigbyMW> Ah, thanks!
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2324 [17:05:56] <DigbyMW> It didn't show up when I searched
for it, I guess my client was being annoying
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2329 [17:07:15] <trone> CutMeOwnThroat: about the process, you
tried with signals? -20 and -18 ?
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2332 [17:08:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> trone, what process??
2333 [17:08:40] <trone> CutMeOwnThroat: I read about: "do you
know how you can send any process from the shell into the
background?" but maybe wasn't a real question :D
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2335 [17:09:21] <zykotick9> re: cruchbang =
replaced-url
2336 [17:09:24] <trone> sorry. mistake
2337 [17:09:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> it wasn't a general
one… I didn't want to know how it's done, but if he
knew :)
2338 [17:09:48] <trone> CutMeOwnThroat: yep, I got it... after
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2355 [17:20:54] <crazyadm> anyone know a good photo gallery
manager in php?
2356 [17:21:52] <ikonia> crazyadm: please don't spam freenode
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2358 [17:21:57] <ikonia> crazyadm: you've asked in 5
different channels - it's spam
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2362 [17:22:46] <crazyadm> i do that because i did not get any
answer
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2366 [17:23:54] <han-solo> ask in #php and wait
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2368 [17:24:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, the debian answer clearly
is apt-cache search php gallery
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2376 [17:27:16] <zykotick9> CutMeOwnThroat: i gotta say... i like
the colourful new-school "apt search php gallery" output
better... ymmv ;)
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2382 [17:31:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'm not switching frontends
every couple of years just because someone writes them
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2403 [17:38:33] <at0m> CutMeOwnThroat: then who's gonna file
all the bugreports?
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2428 [17:47:15] <dontknow> today no one has problemo
2429 [17:47:41] <|DM|> I'm trying to run a non-interactive
(with no tty attached) script that needs sudo to run
2430 [17:47:42] <at0m> cos, known good FE?
2431 [17:47:51] <|DM|> I've set sudo to not need a password
for that script for any user
2432 [17:48:05] <|DM|> However it doesn work, the error being
"no tty and no askpassword helper program specified"
2433 [17:48:13] <|DM|> With the -n switch, it complains that a
password is required
2434 [17:48:28] <|DM|> Testing it in a bash shell however proves
that it runs fine, with no password required
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2437 [17:49:15] <at0m> then man sudooers, look for NOPASSWD
2438 [17:49:20] <at0m> hmm
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2441 [17:49:38] <|DM|> I mean, I have that set. Or do you mean I
should look for gotchas related to it ?
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2443 [17:50:10] <at0m> no, i thought it might ask for a pass. but
if it runs ok from shell, without password, idk
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2445 [17:50:47] <|DM|> It runs without asking for pass from shell
yeah
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2447 [17:51:06] <at0m> then i don't know. someone else might.
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2457 [17:54:05] <|DM|> even !requiretty isnt helping...
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2464 [17:55:34] <jancarlos> /msg coruja 62801jan
<jancarlosilva1@hotmail>
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2475 [18:01:09] <at0m> that's why you have a status window,
so it doesn't get posted in a 1000 users channel.
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2503 [18:10:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> at0m, maybe you :)
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2516 [18:17:41] <stdh> anyone knows why there's no lua5.3-doc
package?
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2527 [18:21:29] <mns> how do I identify the drives I have on a
debian/testing system ?
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2529 [18:21:40] <Anselmo> well,
2530 [18:21:51] <Anselmo> have you used the command
2531 [18:21:53] <Anselmo> lsblk
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2533 [18:22:11] <mns> Anselmo: No I have not.
2534 [18:22:45] <mns> let me boot up that system and try it out
2535 [18:22:59] <Anselmo> ok
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2539 [18:23:52] <mns> my boot device I know is at /dev/sdb.
I've got a cdrom, a floppy drive, two scsi drives, two IDE
disks. The IDE that is on my secondary IDE channel is the boot
device.
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2541 [18:24:39] <mns> its the second IDE drive that is on my
primary channel that I want to identify, but haven't been able
to.
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2544 [18:24:59] <Anselmo> you want like the /dev/sdxx name for
that?
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2550 [18:26:55] <mns> Anselmo: yes. I took that drive out of my
old PowerMac G4 and want to mount it so that I can transfer data to
the HP.
2551 [18:27:09] <Anselmo> what is the output of lsblk?
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2555 [18:27:46] <Anselmo> because that should list all drives
plugged into the system
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2557 [18:28:08] <Anselmo> and if you know how big its supposed to
be,
2558 [18:28:17] <Anselmo> you should be able to figure out which
it is
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2562 [18:29:56] <mns> Anselmo: yup figured it out. /dev/sdaX is
what i want. Thanks
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2564 [18:30:03] <Anselmo> oh ok
2565 [18:30:22] <mns> lsblk helped in figuring it out.
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2567 [18:31:31] <mns> I was using fdisk /dev/sda initially and
didn't pay attention to the error message. it complains that
"the device has a valid 'mac' signature" that
would have been a good clue as well :)
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2572 [18:32:20] <mns> Now I can work on transferring it.
2573 [18:32:36] <Anselmo> mmm
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2575 [18:32:44] <Anselmo> well, glad that I was able to help
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2581 [18:35:56] <mns> how do I figure out the UUID of the
partitions ? so that I can set them up in /etc/fstabd ?
2582 [18:36:15] <mns> oh never mind
2583 [18:36:17] <mns> blkid
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2613 [18:45:35] <istrive> im getting this error when running the
script from terminal: Unit file of repsr.service changed on disk,
'systemctl daemon-reload' recommended.
2614 [18:46:07] <istrive> how to address this issue?
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2618 [18:47:14] <istrive> Warning: Unit file changed on disk,
'systemctl daemon-reload' recommended.
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2621 [18:48:21] <TomTomTosch> it's not an error and it's
pretty descriptive. what about it is not clear to you?
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2625 [18:49:12] <istrive> I dont now how to fix it!
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2627 [18:49:42] <TomTomTosch> it says it's recommended to run
systemctl daemon-reload. doing that would be a start.
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2631 [18:50:17] <TomTomTosch> i guess your script changed a unit
file. running that command will make systemd reload all unit files.
2632 [18:50:18] <istrive> tomtomtosch how to get so just
restarting the computer would fix it? is that what it means?
2633 [18:50:54] <TomTomTosch> what keeps you from simply running
systemctl daemon-reload ?
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2636 [18:51:30] <istrive> it could be more "human
friendly" lol just saying"Reboot your system now!"
Linux is tooooo techie! lol
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2640 [18:52:09] <TomTomTosch> it doesn't say reboot because
you don't need to. it gives you the exact command. reboot would
be overkill.
2641 [18:52:25] <istrive> it could be more "human
friendly" lol just saying"Reboot your system now or run
the command sys..." Linux is tooooo techie! lol
2642 [18:52:41] <at0m> istrive: rhis isn't #windows.
rebooting is not an optionunless kernel updates.
2643 [18:52:51] <TomTomTosch> right... i'm out.
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2645 [18:53:11] <at0m> o/
2646 [18:53:29] <istrive> i got it, now! i just did not quite get
use to the way Linux requests stuff!
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2648 [18:54:01] <istrive> Thank you so much for quick and precise
response, very appreciated!
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2650 [18:54:37] <istrive> at least we can count on experts to save
the day on Linux World! ;0
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2655 [18:56:12] <mardeeen> hi
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2657 [18:56:18] <mardeeen> im searching the #c channel
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2663 [18:57:35] <mardeeen> i wanted to ask whats the difference
between include #include <sys/socket.h> and #include
<stdin.h> ?
2664 [18:57:46] <mardeeen> i mean why do i need
"sys"/socket.h
2665 [18:57:54] <mardeeen> and why cant i use <socket.h>
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2672 [18:59:08] <istrive> another question, I edited the
/etc/profile to send email notification on SSH login and it's
working fine, but I want also to get notifications if the login is
made locally (Debian Jessie), is there a way to detect local signing
to the desktop? I mean in the local computer?
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2678 [19:00:16] <zmitya> hi Gents.. I know it is not very related
but let me try here. .. what is the problem when I connected to a
modem via USB-Serial converter using minicom ... the modem answers I
can see it, but can't see what I type ...
2679 [19:00:24] <zmitya> it worked last time ..
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2682 [19:01:55] <phre4k> hi, apt install tigervnc-xorg-extension
– how do I start it over SSH?
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2688 [19:02:58] <zmitya> ehh "CTRL+A", then
"E" turns on local echo ...
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2691 [19:05:34] <aoilotr> Hello, I just installed debian 8 on a
computer but I my wireless card isn't recognized, I did a lspci
to know my wireless card reference: [8086:3165] but it seems that
there is no available driver on the website:replaced-url
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2694 [19:06:27] <istrive> how to make /etc/profile to report local
signing to the computer?
2695 [19:06:30] <TomTomTosch> mardeeen: because socket.h is in the
subdirectory sys/ in one of the standard include paths and (i assume
you mean stdio.h) is not.
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2698 [19:06:56] <mardeeen> Thanks TomTomTosch
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2700 [19:07:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> istrive, "last" already
shows that
2701 [19:07:52] <th0r> phre4k, I don't find that in the
jessie repo.
2702 [19:08:27] <phre4k> th0r: oh, I'll go to #debian-next,
sorry
2703 [19:08:29] <istrive> cutmeownthroat I want to get the
notification if I'm away and somebody login to my computer in
realtime!
2704 [19:08:57] <istrive> cutmeownthroat the same way I do for
$SSH_Client kind of thing
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2706 [19:10:02] <TomTomTosch> ,pciid 8086:3165
2707 [19:10:03] <judd> [8086:3165] is 'Wireless 3165'
from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See
also
replaced-url
2708 [19:10:07] <istrive> TomTomTosch is there a way to get
realtime notification when somebody sign-in to the computer locally?
not VNC/SSH...
2709 [19:10:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> are you routinely giving your
passwords or private keys away?
2710 [19:11:45] <istrive> no
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2713 [19:12:42] <istrive> but I want monitor the use of the
computer that is shared so if somebody uses the system and something
goes wrong I know where to start...
2714 [19:13:44] <TomTomTosch> aoilotr: i don't see your card
listed in the supported devices anywhere, but the intel page says:
supported (since kernel version): Intel® Wireless 3165 (4.1)
2715 [19:13:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, I can answer your literal
question easily enough… but I doubt you'll be happy with
it
2716 [19:14:13] <TomTomTosch> aoilotr: you could try installing
the kernel from jessie-backports and also firmware-linux from
jessie-backports non-free.
2717 [19:14:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I guess (possibly) getting a
couple of hundreds of emails is educational…
2718 [19:15:02] <aoilotr> Wait, what by kernel you mean the linux
kernel ?
2719 [19:15:09] <TomTomTosch> yes.
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2722 [19:15:19] <TomTomTosch> ,kernels
2723 [19:15:20] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid:
4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1);
jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie:
3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports:
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
2724 [19:15:31] <TomTomTosch> ^ jessie-backports has 4.7
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2726 [19:16:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> configure the machine to be able
to mail somewhere, then just put "mail -s login from $USRER
email@address.com"
2727 [19:16:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> details in "man mail"
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2738 [19:21:17] <aoilotr> TomTomTosch: By using a backport my
operating will become unstable ?
2739 [19:21:23] <aoilotr> system*
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2741 [19:22:11] <TomTomTosch> the backports kernel is less tested
and does not get security updates.
2742 [19:22:26] <TomTomTosch> only frequent version bumps.
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2756 [19:26:32] <al__> hi there
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2774 [19:32:15] <mardeeen> hi there
2775 [19:32:46] <mardeeen> i got this annoying issue when i press
tab in the terminal it switches to the next window
2776 [19:32:50] <Arckazur> hi
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2778 [19:33:04] <mardeeen> im using debian xfce
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2780 [19:33:23] <mardeeen> with xrdp
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2796 [19:38:08] <aoilotr> TomTomTosch: Since I can't download
any package from debian I've to download them and put them on
my usb key but I can't find any deb package online, do you have
any hints ?
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2802 [19:40:42] <TomTomTosch> aoilotr: you don't have an
alternative way to get a connection? an usb dongle, ethernet cable?
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2805 [19:41:54] <TomTomTosch> you can download .deb packages from
any official mirror through the web-interface on packages.debian.org
2806 [19:41:58] <aoilotr> TomTomTosch: No I can't, I just
have my laptop and I live in university room that provide only wifi
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2808 [19:42:32] <aoilotr> But could I install backport version of
debian that support my wireless card ?
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2810 [19:43:49] <TomTomTosch> you can get packages from
jessie-backports from there too. no guarantee your card will work
with that, but it's probable.
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2814 [19:45:36] <somiaj> you'll also need to grab the
firmware for the card (mostlikely required)
2815 [19:45:45] <somiaj> from jessie-backports
2816 [19:45:49] <TomTomTosch> but this is probably not something
you want to do offline.
2817 [19:46:11] <TomTomTosch> ^ regarding what i said before.
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2821 [19:46:42] <aoilotr> I'm lost in all these packages
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2823 [19:47:00] <otyugh_II> hey
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2828 [19:47:19] <TomTomTosch> ,pciid 8086:3165
2829 [19:47:20] <judd> [8086:3165] is 'Wireless 3165'
from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See
also
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2830 [19:47:29] <TomTomTosch> somiaj: maybe you have better luck
than me ^
2831 [19:47:33] <somiaj> aoilotr: someimtes the libary or other
places on campus will have docks with a wired connenction you could
use.
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2836 [19:48:12] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: what chipset?
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2838 [19:48:27] <somiaj> nevermind found it
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2840 [19:48:56] <mardeeen> lol my gf saw my xfce desktop and
tought im on windows98
2841 [19:48:57] <otyugh_II> I'd like a to make a samba share,
but that would be "shared" by two local users. I
don't find any satisfiable reason to do this ; if I create a
specific group owner like "sambashare" the user won't
necesarly will create files into the directory with the same owner
so... I'm kind of stuck.
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2845 [19:50:42] <otyugh_II> I don't know how to share a whole
directory and all it's childrens for two local user, by users
that won't understand a thing about permission or owner...
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2851 [19:51:35] <somiaj> aoilotr, TomTomTosch: It appears the AC
3165 support was added in the 4.2 kernel so it will work on a
backported kernel. You also need firmware-iwlwifi.
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2855 [19:52:29] <somiaj> aoilotr: and finding a wired connenction
may be the best option to get the backported kernel/firmware. But it
can be downloaded in a pinch, just no package verrification.
2856 [19:54:09] <TomTomTosch> or ask around. someone ought to have
an adapter that is easier to set up.
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2861 [19:56:14] <aoilotr> So I should install these package:
replaced-url
2862 [19:56:34] <TomTomTosch> that will not be enough if you do it
offline.
2863 [19:56:47] <aoilotr> Why ?
2864 [19:56:49] <TomTomTosch> but with a working connection, yes.
2865 [19:57:29] <TomTomTosch> for the kernel you will at least
need linux-base from backports as dependency.
2866 [19:57:31] <somiaj> aoilotr: there are missing dependencies.
You are only getting the metapackage (you still need the actual
kernel). I think there is also a common kernel package dependency
you will need. You can trace dependencies on that site if really
needed.
2867 [19:57:53] <somiaj> oh wait, nevermind that isn't the
metapackage...missread it.
2868 [19:58:01] <somiaj> you can check the dependecies. Just do it
manually
2869 [19:58:59] <awal1> How to prevent 'moc' from
getting distorted and make it follow the size of the terminal
emulator when resized?
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2871 [19:59:03] <aoilotr> I'll try to download all the
dependencies manually
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2873 [19:59:23] <somiaj> aoilotr: only the ones you need. I think
it is just the linux-base.
2874 [19:59:36] <somiaj> you can leave the libary depends alone.
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2877 [19:59:59] <aoilotr> But the kernel package won't
installed properly without the dependencies ?
2878 [20:00:10] <aoilotr> just linux-base and it's
dependencies ?
2879 [20:00:17] <somiaj> but some of them are already installed on
your machine
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2883 [20:00:25] <somiaj> and you don't want to just upgrade
things to jessie-backports without needing it
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2886 [20:00:59] <somiaj> aoilotr: if something is missing it will
error out and tell you what is missing. And you may have to go then
get that too.
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2888 [20:01:18] <aoilotr> Allright I'll try that method
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2892 [20:01:51] <jsonhelp> hey morning
2893 [20:01:56] <jsonhelp> i've got a problem installing json
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2895 [20:01:59] <jsonhelp> on debian 8.0
2896 [20:02:01] <jsonhelp> any help ?
2897 [20:02:03] <somiaj> !bat
2898 [20:02:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2899 [20:02:35] <jsonhelp> root@debian-2gb-tor1-01:~# apt-get
install json
2900 [20:02:35] <jsonhelp> Reading package lists... Done
2901 [20:02:35] <jsonhelp> Building dependency tree
2902 [20:02:35] <jsonhelp> Reading state information... Done
2903 [20:02:35] <jsonhelp> E: Unable to locate package json
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replaced-url
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2906 [20:02:42] <TomTomTosch> what json? there are a million
things json related.
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2908 [20:03:05] <jsonhelp> can't find package json
2909 [20:03:05] <jsonhelp> while executing
2910 [20:03:05] <jsonhelp> "package require json"
2911 [20:03:11] <jsonhelp> this one
2912 [20:03:17] <somiaj> jsonhelp: missed the part about using
paste.debian.net. Maybe try 'apt-cache search json' to see
the various json packages avilable
2913 [20:03:35] <TomTomTosch> json is an object notation. like
xml. it's not a piece of software.
2914 [20:03:41] <CtrlC> Is it any common to use the public key
instead of private key and private key instead of public?:/
2915 [20:03:44] <jsonhelp> for eggdrop.tcl
2916 [20:03:49] <CtrlC> ssh keys I mean.
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2921 [20:04:56] <jsonhelp> i've got this error when i'm
trying to run ./eggdrop bot.conf
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2927 [20:06:25] <TomTomTosch> CtrlC: no...
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2930 [20:06:32] <jsonhelp> Cannot find config.m4.
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2933 [20:07:11] <CtrlC> TomTomTosch, So that means I have the
right to swear? It's not common at all. right?
2934 [20:07:29] <TomTomTosch> i'm not sure that would even
work.
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2939 [20:08:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's about as common as
using the lock for the key and the key for the lock
2940 [20:08:49] <jsonhelp> Make sure that you run
'/usr/bin/phpize' in the top level source directory of the
module
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2945 [20:10:10] <jsonhelp>
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2950 [20:10:42] <jsonhelp> somiaj sorry my 1st time here..
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2958 [20:14:18] <jsonhelp> anyone ?
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2973 [20:20:03] <TomTomTosch> !eggdrop
2974 [20:20:03] <dpkg> Eggdrop!? I scoff at Eggdrop bots!
I'll have you know, tomtomtosch, that I am a blootbot, and
proud of it! If you really want to sift through the rubbish heap of
Tcl, it's allegedly sitting somewhere near
<ftp://ftp.eggheads.org/pub/eggdrop/>, but don't say I
didn't warn you!
2975 [20:20:14] <TomTomTosch> well, thanks a lot...
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2977 [20:20:30] <TomTomTosch> you can ask #eggdrop, though ^^
2978 [20:20:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, TomTomTosch mentioning
inferior bots here
2979 [20:21:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> everyone who knows anything about
anything knows that eggdrop sucks elephant balls
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2983 [20:23:05] <TomTomTosch> my bad!
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2985 [20:23:12] <jsonhelp> ty
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2989 [20:24:32] <TomTomTosch> and who let the pratchett bot in
again? ^^
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2995 [20:26:08] <jordila> i'm trying
replaced-url
2996 [20:26:28] * jordila see log here :
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3011 [20:37:21] <PryMar56> in package.install, how to exclude a
branch of /usr ? I want to exclude /usr/lib/foo
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3013 [20:37:47] <nkuttler> PryMar56: you mean, not install files
there? you can't
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3020 [20:39:59] <aoilotr> TomTomTosch: I've installed the
packages manually and it works, i'm talking to you from debian
using wifi
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3022 [20:40:12] <aoilotr> Thank you for the help!
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3031 [20:42:35] <noqnio1> hey. How can i see which services start
up at boot? (jessie)
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3033 [20:43:00] <PryMar56> nkuttler, thanks, going ahead to write
it all out, branch by branch
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3036 [20:44:28] <nkuttler> PryMar56: what do you mean? what are
you trying to accomplish anyway?
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3048 [20:50:36] <awal1> Is it recommended to use linux with
grsecurity patch instead of linux "standard"?
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3052 [20:52:28] <_0xbadc0de> hi there
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3054 [20:52:43] <_0xbadc0de> help me out with a suggestion here
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3057 [20:52:52] <_0xbadc0de> should I bother to get a file
manager?
3058 [20:53:00] <_0xbadc0de> I am using openbox
3059 [20:53:31] <awal1> pcmanfm is fine
3060 [20:53:43] <Anselmo> do you like terminal programs?
3061 [20:53:52] <Anselmo> ranger is quite popular
3062 [20:55:18] <awal1> yeah, there are a few ncurses based too
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3069 [20:56:54] <n4dir> I wouldn't bother for a filemanager.
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3073 [20:58:30] <n4dir> and mainly if not used to the CLI.
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3097 [21:11:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> depends on you, doesn't it?
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3106 [21:16:54] <n4dir> my guess is that is a general answer which
never is wrong
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3108 [21:19:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, how should we know if he
wants or needs one
3109 [21:19:24] <jsonhelp> how do i install oident on debian 8.0 ?
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3112 [21:22:39] <CtrlC> Can anyone explain to me what this does
exactly? :
3113 [21:22:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> replacement ident daemon?
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3115 [21:23:14] <jsonhelp> to get rid of the "~" before
your ident
3116 [21:23:16] <CtrlC> sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp
-d $host_ip --dport $host_port -j DNAT --to-destination $guest_ip :
$guest_port
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3120 [21:23:53] <CtrlC> I need to port that command to python. And
so I need to know what it does exactly.
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3122 [21:24:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> there seems to be an oidentd
package
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3124 [21:24:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> CtrlC, I guess "man
iptables" is your friend there…
3125 [21:25:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> python does native firewall
manipulation?
3126 [21:25:08] <CtrlC> CutMeOwnThroat, I'm going through it
at the moment.
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3129 [21:25:29] <CtrlC> CutMeOwnThroat, python-iptables package
have some api to manitulate iptables.
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3135 [21:26:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> I only see python-netfilter
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3137 [21:26:40] <CtrlC> CutMeOwnThroat,
replaced-url
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3140 [21:27:16] <asarch> One stupid question: can I use the AMD64
installation ISO to install a 386-based system?
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3142 [21:27:33] <asarch> I remember I could do that with wheezy
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3144 [21:28:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> what do you mean with "386
based sysem"
3145 [21:28:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> bah, t key
3146 [21:28:24] <asarch> ?
3147 [21:28:44] <asarch> A 32-bit processor
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3149 [21:28:52] <TomTomTosch> no, but debian.org links to the
amd64-i386 combi one.
3150 [21:29:39] <asarch> Thank you
3151 [21:29:44] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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3167 [21:33:35] <random_numbers> Does debian require something
particular for networking under QEMU/KVM?
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3169 [21:34:01] <random_numbers> Tails' live-cd works fine,
but the debian netinstall and live-cds seem to be refusing to do it.
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3183 [21:39:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> firmware??
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3189 [21:40:01] <random_numbers> Perhaps, but what would it even
require for KVM's virtualized firmware?
3190 [21:40:13] <random_numbers> s/firmware/hardware/
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3193 [21:41:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> no idea… but basically the
answer is "no", this is a difference to other distros,
though
3194 [21:41:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's usually guest
additions, too
3195 [21:41:54] <random_numbers> Testing it right now, it seems to
be able to ping the host machine but nothing else. And the debian
live-cds are the only ones with that problem.
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3197 [21:43:31] <jsonhelp> <CutMeOwnThroat> there seems to
be an oidentd package
3198 [21:43:33] <jsonhelp> where can i find it ?
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3200 [21:44:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> you search for packages with
apt-cache search searchterm (e.g. ident)
3201 [21:44:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> and you install packages with
apt-get install packagename
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3228 [21:57:15] <RealJett> hi
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3235 [22:01:43] <rumoxingme> \
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3241 [22:05:36] <RealJett> any one ?
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3245 [22:07:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> we are supposed to help you with
"hi"??
3246 [22:07:33] <RealJett> oh you didnt catch my previous message
?
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3250 [22:08:24] <preaction> there's been no other message
from you in the last 30 minutes
3251 [22:08:32] <preaction> sorry, 40
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3254 [22:09:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> there is "hi", quit,
rejoin and asking "any one"
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3257 [22:11:01] <RealJett> I keep getting the following message
when updating debian with sudo apt-get update
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3259 [22:11:12] <RealJett> Segmentation fault
3260 [22:11:21] <RealJett> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error,
aborting: files list file for
3261 [22:11:21] <dpkg> RealJett: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
3262 [22:11:24] <xinming> Hi, Just curious, Anyone here knows
wether there is plan to support rebootless kernel when stable system
upgraded?
3263 [22:11:30] <RealJett> package 'exim4-config' is
missing final newline
3264 [22:11:45] <xinming> I heard that ksplice will do this, But
just curious wether we can use this in debian already. :-)
3265 [22:11:47] <RealJett> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned
an error code (2
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3271 [22:13:29] <RealJett> ?
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3275 [22:14:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> what version of debian is this?
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3294 [22:22:33] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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3296 [22:23:01] <NapoleonWils0n> im trying to set up a user system
service
3297 [22:23:13] <NapoleonWils0n> is the correct location
~/.config/systemd/user
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3306 [22:25:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> that sounds scary
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3308 [22:26:35] <nkuttler> which part of it?
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3311 [22:26:56] <RealJett> its debian 7.11
3312 [22:27:01] <greyeax> what is this holocaust video lol
3313 [22:27:05] <greyeax> why is it in #debian kek
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3315 [22:27:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> the bit where they need
privileges
3316 [22:27:45] <nkuttler> CutMeOwnThroat: they do? doesn't
really sound like a user service then
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3319 [22:28:17] <NapoleonWils0n> tried reloading the daemon
3320 [22:28:21] <nkuttler> i guess it's the kind of service
that stops when you log out?
3321 [22:28:41] <aoilotr> Hi, I add to install the jessie backport
kernel package to allow the os recognize my wireless card driver,
but now when I do a apt-get update i got errors:
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3322 [22:28:58] <aoilotr> (french terminal sorry)
3323 [22:28:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> nkuttler, doesn't your
tongue knot all up saying "user system service"?
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3328 [22:30:00] <RealJett> ?
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3330 [22:30:01] <nkuttler> CutMeOwnThroat: a user service started
by the system :p
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3332 [22:30:22] <NapoleonWils0n> anyone know which directory user
services go in
3333 [22:30:26] <nkuttler> aoilotr: remove your cdrom lines from
your apt sources
3334 [22:30:34] <nkuttler> aoilotr: also, /msg dpkg localized
errors
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3337 [22:30:47] <NapoleonWils0n> when i try and enable the service
i judt get no such file or directory
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3341 [22:32:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> nkuttler, I'm talking in the
unofficial official #debian channel… who am I to argue
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3348 [22:35:08] <RealJett> running debian 7.11 wheezy getting the
following when trying to remove irssi
3349 [22:35:20] <RealJett> After this operation, 2,254 kB disk
space will be freed.
3350 [22:35:20] <RealJett> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
3351 [22:35:20] <RealJett> Segmentation fault
3352 [22:35:20] <RealJett> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error,
aborting: files list file for package 'exim4-config' is
missing final newline
3353 [22:35:20] <NapoleonWils0n> figured out the problem
3354 [22:35:21] <dpkg> RealJett: what are you talking about?
3355 [22:35:23] <RealJett> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned
an error code (2
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3357 [22:35:43] <NapoleonWils0n> it was because the service files
where symlinks, added real files problem solved
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3363 [22:37:57] <RealJett> what do you mean dpkg
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3369 [22:41:41] <_Vi> Are there instruction for going from 32-bit
i686 Debian Jessie to 64-bit x86_64 Debian Jessie gradually, without
reinstall?
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3371 [22:42:15] <_Vi> Migrate32To64Bit wiki article says that it
is outdated and links another article about Debian Wheezy.
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3373 [22:42:50] <missmbob> !crosspost
3374 [22:42:50] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places
at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums)
is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone
else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we
are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've
already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer
and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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3376 [22:43:34] <missmbob> heh. i'm tired
3377 [22:43:37] <missmbob> !crossgrade
3378 [22:43:37] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an
amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much
easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me
about <install debian>. If you've got good backups,
plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try
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3381 [22:43:52] <r00tobo> ok, guess I fixed that rtorrent problem
with the server on the raid 0 with ext4 one XD
3382 [22:44:07] <WangDang_> I can't figure something out in
the perl script "apt-cacher". It's giving me a
"403 Access to cache prohibited" message when I try to
access it from a remote host. I'm not fluent in perl, but it
looks like it is invoked because the remote client is not in the
allowed hosts list. But it is. Can anyone help me to figure this
out? here's the code snippet
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3383 [22:44:13] <r00tobo> but I had to use rescue mode and do fsck
/dev/md3 to fix it
3384 [22:44:14] <_Vi> I expect it to be doable without rebooting,
since kernel is already 64-bit for long.
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3386 [22:44:27] <RealJett> bye
3387 [22:44:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> !pal missmbob
3388 [22:44:29] * dpkg points at missmbob and laughs hysterically
3389 [22:44:30] <RealJett> thanks for the no help
3390 [22:44:39] <r00tobo> I guess I should've do -y to accept
all the fixes and cleaning
3391 [22:44:40] <awal1> _vi:
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3392 [22:44:45] <r00tobo> done*
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3394 [22:44:57] <r00tobo> does fsck command accept -y flag?
3395 [22:44:58] <awal1> but, the best way is reinstalling
3396 [22:45:02] <_Vi> awal1, The article itself states it is
obsolete.
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3399 [22:45:11] <_Vi> awal1, Are there any differences with
Jessie?
3400 [22:45:31] <r00tobo> now when I do dmesg the error is not
there, that's made me relieved...
3401 [22:45:31] <RealJett> exit
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3403 [22:45:44] <_Vi> If multilib worked well for binaries and dev
packages, the system might have been almost 32/64-symmetrical.
3404 [22:46:22] <awal1> _vi, what you want is not really supported
officially by debian as i know; you'll find just workarounds
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3409 [22:48:44] <_Vi> How can I get integrate size of all
installed packages?
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3412 [22:50:18] <TomTomTosch> multiarch doesn't work for
/all/ packages.
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3416 [22:50:35] <_Vi> Can there be `dpkg -l`, but with package
size field?
3417 [22:51:02] <_Vi> TomTomTosch, I'm thinking about
reinstall with debootstrap, automatically installing all packets
from current setup.
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3422 [22:51:55] <TomTomTosch> you would usually do that with dpkg
--get-selections > backupfile and dpkg --set-selections <
backupfile
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3425 [22:52:22] <LargePig> Hey all, I've been setting up my
new Jessie install. Pretty close to having everything I need set up,
one thing though is I need to connect to my work L2TP VPN... Seems
that there were a few options in Wheezy but not in Jessie. Am I
missing something obvious? Cheers.
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3428 [22:53:11] <al__> hi
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3432 [22:53:42] <al__> where is messages from boot log located??
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3434 [22:54:38] <_Vi> Looks like it is `dpkg-query --show
--showformat='${Installed-Size}\n' | perl -nE
'$q+=$_; END{say $q}'`, in kilobytes.
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3437 [22:55:33] <nkuttler> al__: what are you looking for?
3438 [22:55:51] <nkuttler> al__: dmest comes to mind, journalctl,
/var/log/*, etc
3439 [22:55:56] <_Vi> "dpkg --get-selections" still
shows Qt 3 packages...
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3441 [22:55:57] <nkuttler> dmesg
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3454 [23:00:05] <al__> I get several error messages during boot I
need to read in order to research
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3483 [23:13:58] <x37> i am trying to wget something, it starts
working, then soon says "cannot write, no space left on
device"... but in nautilus and when i run df it says 36GB free
3484 [23:14:05] <LargePig> Looking at secureswan and xl2tpd. Eish,
sometimes things are hard work :P
3485 [23:14:08] <x37> any reason why?
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3488 [23:15:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> is the total size of the drive by
any chance 720G?
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3490 [23:15:49] <x37> CutMeOwnThroat, 2TB
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3493 [23:16:17] <livestreaming> how can i *currently* watch bbc
one TV live on vlc? live streams urls i found on the web from
october no longer work
3494 [23:16:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> the mounted partition?
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3497 [23:16:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> 36G isn't much on a 2TB
partition
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3502 [23:17:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> what does df say
3503 [23:18:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> or df -h
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3505 [23:19:03] <livestreaming> how can i *currently* watch bbc
one TV live on vlc? live streams urls i found on the web from
october no longer work. shall try smplayer?
3506 [23:20:04] <x37> CutMeOwnThroat, df -h says 35GB free
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3508 [23:20:41] <x37> hmm, maybe something about inodes...?
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3510 [23:20:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> not if it happens during writing
to one file
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3512 [23:21:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> try if root can write more
3513 [23:21:42] <debuggerboy> can you try df -i and see inside
utilization
3514 [23:22:21] <x37> df -i says 3% IUse.... i didnt even try sudo
(brainfart)
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3516 [23:22:51] <x37> bah, sudo gives same result
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3527 [23:23:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, fsck the drive
3528 [23:24:18] <nkuttler> x37: which filesystem?
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3535 [23:25:35] <x37> nkuttler, its NTFS
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3538 [23:26:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> ha
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3540 [23:27:29] <x37> yes, har har
3541 [23:28:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, I thought I needn't
ask, because no file system in the world should act like this
3542 [23:28:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> this is unusual enough that you
might have mentioned, though
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3582 [23:52:56] <screamslash> where is the initial bash script
stored at ?
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3587 [23:55:00] <raimue> hello
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3590 [23:56:03] <raimue> I would like to install mutt on a server,
but it wants to pull in lots of unwanted dependencies, especially X
packages such as libxcomposite1
3591 [23:56:14] <raimue> now I tried 'apt-get install
--no-install-recommends --no-install-suggests mutt', but that
does not help
3592 [23:57:05] <raimue> as far as I tracked it down, these seem
to come through gnupg -> gnupg-agent -> pinentry-gtk2?
3593 [23:57:32] <raimue> how could I get mutt without any
X-packages?
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