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• 1[19:56:14] <dionysus69> nothing just a regular startup without xlfux
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• 3[19:56:23] <greycat> What is a "regular startup"?
• 4[19:56:39] <dionysus69> in this case it starts twice. it works well with
• 5[19:56:39] <dionysus69> sleep 10
• 6[19:56:39] <dionysus69> xlfux .... something ...
• 7[19:56:52] <dionysus69> but then login hands for 10 seconds
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• 11[19:57:45] <greycat> ,info xflux
• 12[19:57:46] <judd> No package named 'xflux' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 13[19:58:07] <dionysus69> [[ -s "$HOME/.profile" ]] && source "$HOME/.profile" # Load the default .profile
• 14[19:58:15] <dionysus69> this is in bash_profile I guess this is loading .profile
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• 17[19:58:27] <greycat> Is xflux a thing that makes a window that hangs around for a while? Or is it like "xmodmap" or something, that just modifies the configuration of a session and then is gone?
• 18[19:58:45] <karlpinc> greycat: apt-file does not find xflux either.
• 19[19:58:48] <dionysus69> judd: i put it in home/user/bin/xflux which is added to path automatically with this
• 20[19:58:49] <judd> No package named 'put' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 21[19:59:03] <dionysus69> # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
• 22[19:59:03] <dionysus69> if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then
• 23[19:59:03] <dionysus69> PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
• 24[19:59:03] <dionysus69> fi
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• 26[19:59:19] <pollox> oh it is a kind of feature for desktop guys :(
• 27[19:59:28] <greycat> If it's a session-modifier then possibly it is executing TOO SOON and then gnome is OVERWRITING whatever it did. Which would explain why your delay helps you.
• 28[19:59:36] * greycat has to go, someone else can repeat that at him
• 29[19:59:46] <karlpinc> pollox: From where?
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• 33[20:00:40] <virtualbox> hey can someone help me with a display problem?
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• 35[20:00:49] <dionysus69> I got banned for pasting 4 lines lol
• 36[20:00:56] <dionysus69> i mean kicked
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• 39[20:01:25] <T4ng10r> h
• 40[20:01:29] <T4ng10r> hi
• 41[20:01:44] <virtualbox> i have a alienware m11x with nvidia drivers and i cant change brightness....noveau wasnt working either, thats why i installed the proprietary driver...
• 42[20:01:46] <T4ng10r> I've installed ifplugd, configured (/etc/defaults/ifplugd)
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• 44[20:01:59] <pollox> here replaced-url
• 45[20:02:00] <T4ng10r> how to easly and safely start it at startup?
• 46[20:02:27] <virtualbox> the brightness slider shows but nothing changes when i move it by hotkey or toggle with xfce power manager
• 47[20:02:30] <T4ng10r> systemd? link to /etc/rcx.d ?
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• 49[20:02:43] <dionysus69> greycat: xflux is program that makes screen tint with yellow color depending on time of the day. helps to keep eye not freak out from too much strain
• 50[20:02:54] <virtualbox> xbacklight doesn't do anything either
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• 55[20:03:09] <pollox> karlpinc: I guess is a kind of feature for desktop guys
• 56[20:03:29] <zerodrama> i cannot make grub ignore encrypted volumes with keyfiles
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• 60[20:04:20] <zerodrama> i want my /home mounted at startup but i don't need it at boot
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• 76[20:08:00] <virtualbox> where can i get actual support for debian?
• 77[20:08:30] <abrotman> this is one place
• 78[20:08:44] <virtualbox> lol
• 79[20:08:49] <abrotman> virtualbox: if you don't get a useful answer, try again in an hour, try a different set of people
• 80[20:08:56] <virtualbox> yea sorry
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• 83[20:09:04] <virtualbox> i'm just frusterated
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• 85[20:09:13] <abrotman> virtualbox: how did oyu install the nvidia driver? Debian way or Nvidia way?
• 86[20:09:20] <virtualbox> debian way
• 87[20:09:24] <virtualbox> through apt
• 88[20:09:33] <virtualbox> its not the problem
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• 91[20:09:50] * ZodoTurtle watches intently on this nvidia thing. I'm in the same boat.
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• 93[20:09:59] <virtualbox> the problem is brightness isnt working. it wasn't working with noveau
• 94[20:10:04] <virtualbox> i tried everything
• 95[20:10:06] <abrotman> xbacklist program?
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• 97[20:10:10] <abrotman> xbacklight
• 98[20:10:12] <virtualbox> does nothing
• 99[20:10:18] <virtualbox> no effecdt
• 100[20:10:21] <abrotman> checked in dmesg after trying?
• 101[20:10:32] <virtualbox> check for what?
• 102[20:10:39] <abrotman> errors? messages? notifications? logs ...
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• 104[20:10:55] <virtualbox> dmesg|tail?
• 105[20:10:59] <virtualbox> after
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• 112[20:12:46] <virtualbox> replaced-url
• 113[20:12:55] <virtualbox> i can't make any sense of that...
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• 116[20:14:04] <virtualbox> and abrotman it gave no indication anything happened, just dropped me to another ~# after i ran xbacklight -set 50
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• 121[20:14:44] <abrotman> I doubt you want to run xbacklight as root
• 122[20:14:50] <virtualbox> well
• 123[20:15:00] <virtualbox> the point is it doesn't work
• 124[20:15:20] <virtualbox> but yea thats probably not the best idea
• 125[20:15:21] <abrotman> or, root doesn't have access ..
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• 127[20:15:37] <virtualbox> nope
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• 129[20:15:45] <virtualbox> user doesn't work either
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• 135[20:17:04] <abrotman> virtualbox: and the firmware buttons do nothing also?
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• 138[20:17:36] <virtualbox> lol There's nowhere that root doesn't have full read, write and execute permissions. they make a slider show and move but brightness remains at 100%
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• 140[20:18:14] <grawity> there are quite a few things root doesn't have access to
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• 142[20:18:20] <virtualbox> same with the xfce power-manager plugin
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• 144[20:18:40] <virtualbox> it shows that brightness changes but in reality it doesn't
• 145[20:18:47] <grawity> just like there are things that don't use "read, write and execute permissions"
• 146[20:19:00] <virtualbox> ok point taken
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• 152[20:20:17] <grawity> anything under /sys/class/backlight?
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• 155[20:21:59] <virtualbox> root@dark:/sys/class/backlight# ls > acpi_video0 acpi_video1 intel_backlight
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• 157[20:22:57] <virtualbox> so there is intel_backlight, how do i set/configure it?
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• 161[20:25:20] <virtualbox> the file brightness in the folder intel_backlight has the files: actual_brightness and brightness. both contain only the line 2649450
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• 165[20:25:44] <virtualbox> the files brightness in the folder intel_backlight are: actual_brightness and brightness. both contain only the line 2649450
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• 169[20:26:24] <virtualbox> there are some other files as well.... bl_power and max_brightness
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• 171[20:27:03] <virtualbox> max_brightness has only 2649450 as well
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• 173[20:27:19] <kline> when providing additional firmware for the installer as explained here ( replaced-url
• 174[20:27:27] <virtualbox> bl_power has only the line: 0
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• 176[20:27:49] <kline> im wondering if it can even see that second bank of USB ports
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• 180[20:29:11] <virtualbox> well i can't write to those files..so i guess i just found something root doesn't have access to 0.o
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• 188[20:31:00] <kline> virtualbox, out of interest, what purpose would being able to write to the max_brightness serve?
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• 190[20:31:30] <kline> it seems like thats a property of the hardware thats being reported, it wouldnt make sense to try and ever write to that
• 191[20:31:37] <virtualbox> i tried to write to actual_brightness
• 192[20:31:48] <virtualbox> not to max_brightness
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• 195[20:31:59] <virtualbox> give me a little slack here pal
• 196[20:32:00] <kline> ok. btw, are you running x?
• 197[20:32:05] <virtualbox> xfce
• 198[20:32:13] <kline> ok, have you tried xbacklight?
• 199[20:32:16] <virtualbox> yesw
• 200[20:32:21] <virtualbox> it doesn't work
• 201[20:32:24] <kline> shucks, out of ideas :v
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• 203[20:32:34] <grawity> try writing to the one that's just named "brightness"
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• 206[20:32:41] <grawity> also, try acpi_video*, not just intel_backlight
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• 208[20:32:43] <virtualbox> and i don't want to use xrand because that just lowers gamma
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• 211[20:32:54] <markybob> kline: i find it much easier to use the firmware installer (has them built-in so you don't have to do anything)
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• 213[20:32:56] <virtualbox> that does work tho
• 214[20:33:06] <virtualbox> xrandr --output LVDS1 --brightness 0.5
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• 216[20:33:42] <kline> markybob, im downloading it now, but it's currently set to take 4h to download
• 217[20:34:02] <kline> I guess they werent joking when they said that http downloads may be throttled
• 218[20:34:40] <markybob> kline: there is a torrent for it replaced-url
• 219[20:34:55] <kline> cant torrent from this location (university)
• 220[20:34:58] <kline> thanks though
• 221[20:35:47] <virtualbox> acpi has brightness files as well but like the ones in intel_backlight they are ROM
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• 225[20:36:20] <virtualbox> i tried all of them and i can't change any of them
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• 248[20:42:07] <Quatroking> is there any way to force firefox/iceweasel to use my wifi instead of the wired LAN connection
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• 256[20:43:42] <abrotman> unplug the cable?
• 257[20:43:56] <Quatroking> ..other than disconnecting the LAN entirely
• 258[20:44:11] <markybob> i doubt it
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• 292[20:51:59] <virtualbox> well i managed to lock myself out of my pc for a bit but i found a way to adjust brightness: echo 1500000 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness...i tried 400 the first time and it made my screen completely dark even through reboot. i had to go into recovery mode to fix this....so anyone who uses this command ZodoTurtle needs to make sure you arent going out of the range of your adapter
• 293[20:52:19] <virtualbox> it works fine though
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• 295[20:53:40] <virtualbox> i just wish debian or xfce or xorg or whoever would patch their stuff so that my hotkeys would work and i don't have to go sherlock holmes to change my brightness
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• 297[20:54:08] <TomTomTosch> complain to your vendor.
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• 299[20:55:37] <virtualbox> i guess it is their fault
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• 301[20:55:59] <virtualbox> thanks for trying to help me though guys
• 302[20:56:05] <TomTomTosch> and i'm not kidding. it would be great if you complained to them :3
• 303[20:56:25] <virtualbox> i don't own the liscense to this machine though...
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• 306[20:56:51] <virtualbox> or i would complain
• 307[20:57:48] <virtualbox> does debian configure each package you install to your individual machine?
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• 309[20:58:38] <greycat> If it does, you'll be involved in it (whiptail/dialog stuff).
• 310[20:58:53] <virtualbox> jw because i have the same copy of debian on 2 pc's and the ways it handles files is different between them. for instance on one i need playonlinux to play a game, on this one i only rewquire wine
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• 319[21:02:00] <abrotman> virtualbox: you might want to check for BIOS updates
• 320[21:02:22] <virtualbox> can i update bios via cli?
• 321[21:02:34] <abrotman> depends on the manufacturer ..
• 322[21:02:36] <virtualbox> ah
• 323[21:02:39] <abrotman> some provide bootable CDs
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• 325[21:03:01] <virtualbox> so i may need phoenix flash to update this one then....
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• 327[21:03:17] <virtualbox> because its a phoenix bios
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• 329[21:03:55] <virtualbox> actually i tried once and it said i already had the newest bios. i got it directly from dell for alienware m11x
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• 331[21:04:02] <BackEndCoder2> hi
• 332[21:04:29] <BackEndCoder2> i'm trying to 'backup' a debian vm, its about 5gb in total. in the most effenct way as possible
• 333[21:04:41] <BackEndCoder2> its doesn't have the space to make a tar on the same box
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• 335[21:04:47] <BackEndCoder2> and she is being turned off in a few days
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• 337[21:05:01] <BackEndCoder2> i would like to save as much data from it as possible
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• 339[21:05:06] <greycat> rsync to another machine that's not being turned off
• 340[21:05:06] <BackEndCoder2> configs, db's etc
• 341[21:05:15] <BackEndCoder2> rsync, thanks
• 342[21:05:37] <virtualbox> how do you rsync to another machine?
• 343[21:05:45] <BackEndCoder2> ssh
• 344[21:05:48] <virtualbox> ah
• 345[21:05:50] <virtualbox> thx
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• 347[21:06:02] <greycat> Debian's rsync is configured to use ssh by default instead of rsh.
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• 351[21:06:34] <virtualbox> can i setup networking between 2 pc's via wifi?
• 352[21:06:58] <virtualbox> so that i can browse their drives in thunar?
• 353[21:07:40] <BackEndCoder2> yes samba, or sshfs
• 354[21:07:56] <virtualbox> how do i set it up. both have samba
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• 358[21:08:13] <BackEndCoder2> one needs a samba client the other needs a server
• 359[21:08:33] <virtualbox> i don't see an icon for samba...is it cli only?
• 360[21:08:33] <BackEndCoder2> thunar should have some magical thing that does it for you
• 361[21:08:39] <virtualbox> oh
• 362[21:08:49] <virtualbox> it has a browse network
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• 364[21:08:57] <virtualbox> but my other pc doesn't show
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• 366[21:09:14] <towo`> it would only see anything, if threr is a server in the network
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• 368[21:09:21] <virtualbox> ok
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• 370[21:09:32] <virtualbox> so i need a server on just one pc
• 371[21:09:32] <BackEndCoder2> replaced-url
• 372[21:09:36] <BackEndCoder2> somethign like that
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• 377[21:10:00] <BackEndCoder2> you want the server to be on the box you don't have thunar on
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• 381[21:10:45] <towo`> but wlan <==> wlan network wit 2 clients is not the easyest network setup
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• 400[21:17:17] <pollox> j
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• 409[21:19:29] <RippyDippy> Made the jump on my main machine today. Feels great!
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• 418[21:22:12] <humbot> woot :)
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• 422[21:23:27] <aegis> dat sexy feel
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• 425[21:24:00] <RippyDippy> also, after .5 seconds of googling, it seems like thunderbird isnt a thing on debian
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• 427[21:24:08] <RippyDippy> or at least icedove is the preferred package
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• 440[21:28:02] <Walakea> why is there no deadbeef package?
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• 443[21:28:13] <r6ku> ,deadbeef
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• 445[21:28:28] <aegis> lol icedove
• 446[21:28:32] <r6ku> check deb multimedia... :(
• 447[21:28:36] <aegis> Must I ask to ask a question?
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• 449[21:28:49] <greycat> Just ask your question without preamble.
• 450[21:28:57] <SynrG> ,v deadbeef
• 451[21:28:58] <judd> Package: deadbeef on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.5.6-dmo3; jessie-multimedia: 0.6.2-dmo7; sid-multimedia: 0.7.0-dmo3
• 452[21:29:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> RippyDippy, they're the same except for branding (and at least for firefox/iceweasel, the version in debian is the LTS version, that might be true for it, too)
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• 454[21:29:15] <SynrG> r6ku: ^ itym
• 455[21:29:17] <RippyDippy> CutMeOwnThroat: thats what I figured.
• 456[21:30:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> that might actually all change in the next release... seems the concerns/problems with the firefox brand have been pretty much resolved
• 457[21:30:07] <Walakea> i downloaded .deb package from their website
• 458[21:30:19] <SynrG> !dmm
• 459[21:30:20] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 460[21:30:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> and the next release is likely >=2 years away, so...
• 461[21:30:53] <xVim> CutMeOwnThroat: What makes you think that?
• 462[21:31:04] <Walakea> works good, the only issue seems to be gnome interfering with my hotkeys
• 463[21:31:18] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 465[21:32:08] <T4ng10r> hji
• 466[21:32:22] <T4ng10r> do you have experience with ifplugd?
• 467[21:32:35] <T4ng10r> where to place it to start with boot?
• 468[21:32:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> xVim, think what?
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• 471[21:33:10] <xVim> CutMeOwnThroat: That the stretch release will still take more than 2 years
• 472[21:33:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> xVim, mainly /msg dpkg release history it's usually ~3 years and stretch is out under a year?
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• 474[21:34:24] <greycat> Jessie was released 2015-04-25
• 475[21:34:25] <Walakea> also why are there no backports for DEs?
• 476[21:34:27] <SynrG> No, it's usually ~2
• 477[21:34:41] <Walakea> specifically Gnome
• 478[21:34:43] <karlpinc> T4ng10r: I'd imagine it'd start at boot automatically. Or see it's config in /etc/default/. Or see it's readme.debian.
• 479[21:34:47] <SynrG> Depends on "usually" :)
• 480[21:35:01] <karlpinc> !tell T4ng10r about readme.debian
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• 482[21:35:23] <ZodoTurtle> teraflops: So, the vm system that wouldn't shutdown. I've narrowed it down to 5 services. At least of them causes the hang. "clamav-daemon clamav-freshclam amavis amavisd-snmp-subagent amavis-mc"
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• 484[21:35:40] <karlpinc> Walakea: Because they're giant and have tons of dependencies, and gome specifically has ties to systemd and presumeably the kernel.
• 485[21:35:40] <jelly> Walakea: mostly it's because backports deal with well contained single pieces of software, and DEs are both huge and have huge dependencies
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• 488[21:36:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> SynrG, well, true, but wheezy->jessie was 3 years and the general trend was that time between releases increases
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• 492[21:36:28] <SynrG> CutMeOwnThroat: squeeze 2011, wheezy 2013, Jessie 2015
• 493[21:36:35] <jelly> CutMeOwnThroat: it was a bit less than 2 years
• 494[21:36:39] <jelly> !release history
• 495[21:36:39] <dpkg> Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. replaced-url
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• 497[21:36:50] * CutMeOwnThroat blinks
• 498[21:36:53] <greycat> Wheezy->Jessie was just short of two years
• 499[21:36:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh well
• 500[21:37:07] <mk> is using sid any stable? in terms of: i dont have to format whole system because broken or cant even boot
• 501[21:37:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems my eyes were just deceiving me
• 502[21:37:08] <Walakea> jessie is a nice name
• 503[21:37:29] <greycat> mk: Sid is unstable, not supported here, and if you have to ask these questions, not suitable for you.
• 504[21:37:39] <jelly> etch->lenny seemed a lot longer than wheezy->jessie
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• 506[21:37:45] <mk> greycat: ah okay
• 507[21:37:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> and that just after my memory was deceiving me :(
• 508[21:37:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> so much deceit
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• 511[21:38:31] <Walakea> what is the difference between partial releases? (for example 8.2 -> 8.3)
• 512[21:38:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> bugfixes
• 513[21:38:52] <karlpinc> Walakea: mostly haveing to do with security.
• 514[21:39:40] <jelly> and some high-impact bugs squashed
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• 516[21:40:09] <greycat> Before Etch, as you may have seen up above, those x.1 releases were *full* Debian releases. But recent marketing trends made Debian cave in to peer pressure and use whole 1.0 intervals between release numbers.
• 517[21:41:18] * cheapie has the entire 80-something CD set for 8.0.0 around here somewhere....
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• 519[21:41:42] <greycat> for god's sake why
• 520[21:41:49] <cheapie> I can't remember.
• 521[21:41:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh, "cave in to peer pressure"
• 522[21:42:19] <jhutchins> cheapie: Probably seemed like a good idea at the time.
• 523[21:42:27] <faultline> See also: replaced-url
• 524[21:42:41] <greycat> "Let's be like Mozilla! They changed the size of the scroll bar slightly, so now it's Firefox Version 350!"
• 525[21:42:42] <Walakea> but i have to say, finding the right .iso of debian is still so painful
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• 527[21:43:09] <cheapie> That does remind me, though, is there a reason that there's no disc image bigger than DLBD?
• 528[21:43:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, the current system of full number == release, minor numbers == bugfixes + preparation seems to make a lot of sense and be pretty consistent
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• 530[21:43:34] <karlpinc> Walakea: The 8.0 disks still work. The install just hit's the net more to get newer stuff. Even so, what do you mean? The netinstall is always available from the debian home page.
• 531[21:43:36] <Walakea> there is LiveCD, netinst, cd, dvd, from webite or from torrent
• 532[21:43:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> not sure if/how the versioning before that made sense, but I wasn't around before potato
• 533[21:44:06] <jhutchins> ... or that wierd download gimic that never works.
• 534[21:44:14] <cheapie> jhutchins: jigdo?
• 535[21:44:15] <teraflops> Walakea: hmm i read here many people that cannot find the debian iso they want, it has to mean something
• 536[21:44:20] <karlpinc> Walakea: Unless you're installing a zillion boxes, or somewhere where there's no network, the netinstall always works fine.
• 537[21:44:21] <jhutchins> cheapie: Yeah, that.
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• 539[21:44:27] <Walakea> i know, i was reinstalling jessie 8.2, after 8.3 was released of course with ethernet plugged in and it automatically installed 8.3
• 540[21:44:35] <cheapie> Always worked for me. That's how I got the 80-something CDs.
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• 545[21:44:56] <Walakea> i have jessie 8.2 dvd amd64 iso
• 546[21:45:01] <cheapie> (actually, I used jigdo to morph dual-layer BD images into them)
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• 549[21:45:41] <jhutchins> cheapie: So what storage media holds bigger images than DLBD?
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• 551[21:46:04] <cheapie> I think blu-ray discs with >2 layers are available, as well as flash drives of course.
• 552[21:46:07] <Walakea> i actually dont know whether my BIOS allows USB boot
• 553[21:46:18] <jhutchins> Walakea: How old is it?
• 554[21:46:25] <cheapie> 100GB: replaced-url
• 555[21:46:27] <Walakea> bios version is i think 30X
• 556[21:46:31] <Walakea> new laptop
• 557[21:46:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> jhutchins, he only wanted CD1, you see, but jigdo downloaded CD1-CD80 :P
• 558[21:46:39] <Walakea> ASUS F555LB
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• 561[21:47:01] <jhutchins> CutMeOwnThroat: If so, that's an arguable value for "works".
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• 564[21:47:11] <jhutchins> Walakea: It should.
• 565[21:47:36] <Walakea> i also think it should but i dont know how enable it
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• 567[21:47:55] <cheapie> Even if it's a bajillion dollars for one disc, they *do* exist, and I don't see any reason there shouldn't be at least a jigdo file for an "everything in one ISO" image.
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• 571[21:48:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> jhutchins, right... so I see no conflict between your and his statement :)
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• 574[21:49:16] <Walakea> you know what would be great? if there was a way to reaintall debian directly from a file saved on HDD (like Window$ does)
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• 576[21:49:43] <jelly> cheapie: that one image is called "a one architecture mirror"
• 577[21:49:56] <ZodoTurtle> When will hte Blu-ray edition come out? (Just Kidding)
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• 579[21:50:04] <teraflops> Walakea: take snapshots you can also boot from them directly
• 580[21:50:18] <greycat> Walakea: Debian doesn't typically *need* reinstallation, unless you screw it up yourself
• 581[21:50:20] <Walakea> i have never heard of that
• 582[21:50:29] <cheapie> ZodoTurtle: There are images for 3 single-layer Blu-ray discs or 2 dual-layer already, if that's what you mean.
• 583[21:50:40] <Walakea> i know everyone talks about debian not needing to be reinstalled
• 584[21:50:50] <cheapie> Walakea: Network boot is the next best thing.
• 585[21:51:04] <Walakea> also i am using it about few months now
• 586[21:51:09] <Walakea> my first distro
• 587[21:51:24] <cheapie> That reminds me, I need to fix my DHCP server.
• 588[21:51:26] <ZodoTurtle> OMG, it actually requires 3 Single layer Blu-ray's at this point?
• 589[21:51:36] <Walakea> but i dont care much, because i will probably be using it for the rest of my life
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• 592[21:51:43] <jhutchins> Walakea: There are things you can do that will lead to a reinstall, but used properly many of us go for years with live upgrades and no reinstall.
• 593[21:51:43] <cheapie> ZodoTurtle: If you want *everything*, yes: replaced-url
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• 595[21:52:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, but I've also occasionally wished for something to just unpack and then you've got a baseimage
• 596[21:52:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> and/or pre-made virtualbox images
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• 598[21:52:55] <jhutchins> CutMeOwnThroat: I've seen VB images.
• 599[21:53:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes, from some random bloke on the internets
• 600[21:53:12] <ZodoTurtle> CutMeOwnThroat: with bootcd, you can build your own ready run system.
• 601[21:53:13] <cheapie> CutMeOwnThroat: pixz -tp8 /dev/sda /mnt/network-share/debian.img.xz :P
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• 604[21:53:32] <jhutchins> CutMeOwnThroat: I think I ran a pre-configured image that was a puppet tutorial.
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• 607[21:54:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> still, official ones would be nice... of course, there's debootstrap and stuff
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• 611[21:54:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> and still, images would be nice
• 612[21:54:54] <jhutchins> CutMeOwnThroat: Back when I built a lot of boxes I did create disk images and just burn new drives as needed.
• 613[21:54:59] <cheapie> Heh, I love debootstrap.
• 614[21:55:17] <cheapie> So much easier (IMO) to use and less buggy than the installer.
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• 616[21:55:51] <ZodoTurtle> I myself, would love to have a functional debian live CD that lets me download to RAM and burn CD images, along with gparted, ddrescue of some form and a few other essential disk tools. A true rescue system from Debian.
• 617[21:56:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> jhutchins, right... it's not if there's *really* a lot of differences between base images. root-password, 1st user+pwd, ip address, router... everything else should be auto-detected
• 618[21:56:34] <cheapie> Can't the live DVDs or whatever already do that?
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• 620[21:56:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno, never looked at the thing
• 621[21:57:03] <teraflops> cheapie: true, I always say that deboostrap should be the official installer :P
• 622[21:57:35] <cheapie> teraflops: Yeah... debian-installer has "blown up" on me the last 2 or 3 times I tried to use it.
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• 626[21:58:34] <teraflops> cheapie: well, im not saying the installer is bad, i just say that deboostrap lets you customize the installation way more
• 627[21:58:49] <Walakea> does gparted live contain ddrescue?
• 628[21:58:54] <cheapie> (usually something along the lines of the stable version thinking I don't have an SSD or hard drive, the testing version hanging for no good reason during network configuration, and the unstable one deciding not to install random stuff)
• 629[21:58:55] <asterismo> hi
• 630[21:59:16] <asterismo> how do i enable SMP in the kernel? do i have to install a new kernel? i'm running 32 bit PAE
• 631[21:59:17] <asterismo> debian 8
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• 634[21:59:59] <zykotick9> asterismo: you don't have to do anything... should be enabled by default...
• 635[22:00:03] <cheapie> Just when I thought the days of 32-bit were over...
• 636[22:00:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> asterismo, it should be enabled by default.. I think therE's a special kernel one can install to disable it. what does uname -a say?
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• 638[22:00:45] <asterismo> Linux undernet 3.16.0-4-586 #1 Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) i686 GNU/Linux
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• 640[22:01:01] <greycat> 32-bit CPUs are not going away any time soon, but they're mostly in portable devices
• 641[22:01:07] <asterismo> its running on a virtuablx VM and i cannot enable multiple CPUs
• 642[22:01:36] <greycat> asterismo: all of Debian's default kernels are SMP-capable
• 643[22:01:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> hmm, actually even I switched to amd64 over a year or two ago and start forgetting
• 644[22:01:43] <cheapie> asterismo: Is the kernel in question the one of the host or guest?
• 645[22:01:54] <asterismo> guest
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• 647[22:02:10] <cheapie> And how many CPUs are enabled in VBox?
• 648[22:02:17] <teraflops> asterismo: is the guest x86_64 capable?
• 649[22:02:25] <teraflops> s/host sorry
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• 651[22:02:58] <asterismo> host is 32bit too
• 652[22:03:02] <teraflops> ah
• 653[22:03:12] <asterismo> but it shows 8 cpus
• 654[22:03:18] <cheapie> ...and you're running a 32-bit OS *why*?
• 655[22:03:52] <teraflops> *shrugs*
• 656[22:04:19] <teraflops> asterismo: what cpu does the host have?
• 657[22:04:33] <asterismo> AMD 8-core FX-8120 cpu
• 658[22:04:39] <teraflops> *shrugs*²
• 659[22:04:50] <cheapie> So you should be on 64-bit then. 32-bit OSes make no sense on that.
• 660[22:04:53] <asterismo> i run some 32bit only compatible stuff
• 661[22:05:01] <cheapie> Such as?
• 662[22:05:04] <teraflops> heh
• 663[22:05:10] <asterismo> i'll upgrade to 64 bit as soon as i can get rid of that
• 664[22:05:22] <greycat> If it's a VM-hosting box you MOST CERTAINLY want the host to be 64-bit.
• 665[22:05:27] <cheapie> LinuxCNC is the only thing I've *ever* seen that has issues with 64-bit.
• 666[22:05:45] <greycat> The guests can then be either 32- or 64- as needed.
• 667[22:05:51] <cheapie> (and even that works on 64 most of the time, it's just "experimental")
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• 669[22:06:04] <jelly> greycat: amusingly vbox used to support running 64bit guests on a 32bit host OS.
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• 671[22:06:25] <ZodoTurtle> okay, so, is poweroff a script?
• 672[22:06:34] <Walakea> i didnt know .exe files are actually archives
• 673[22:06:53] <cheapie> "/sbin/poweroff: symbolic link to /bin/systemctl"
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• 675[22:07:01] <cheapie> "/bin/systemctl: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=d61e40bf19b83df04b771c56db55e64d6bb6f93f, stripped"
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• 678[22:07:07] <ZodoTurtle> or better yet. Can I catch the shutdown trigger and execute an extra command? cheapie thank you.
• 679[22:07:08] <cheapie> ZodoTurtle: That's what I got from file.
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• 681[22:07:38] <asterismo> but i cannot get the guest 32bit kernel have SMP and enable multiple cores
• 682[22:07:39] <cheapie> You can probably replace /sbin/poweroff with something else.
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• 684[22:07:52] <asterismo> it should work right?
• 685[22:07:57] <cheapie> asterismo: I think you need to be 64-bit on the host for that.
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• 692[22:08:41] <jelly> asterismo: 586 flavor isn't pae-enabled, 686-pae is.
• 693[22:08:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> jelly, on a 32 bit host kernel?
• 694[22:08:59] <jelly> CutMeOwnThroat: way back when? yes.
• 695[22:09:03] <asterismo> jelly: so i need to install a new kernel?
• 696[22:09:11] <teraflops> pae is for memory not for cores
• 697[22:09:11] <jelly> asterismo: and boot it, too.
• 698[22:09:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's a good trick
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• 700[22:09:21] <Walakea> debian-cd is something different than debian-netinst even though it has similar size?
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• 702[22:09:56] <ZodoTurtle> I've narrowed my problem to two services. If either or both are running, the system will not poweroff/shutdown. It will hang instead.
• 703[22:10:09] <jelly> asterismo: install linux-image-686-pae if you need it, that one will always pull the latest supported kernel with that flavor.
• 704[22:10:21] <ZodoTurtle> those services are: clamav-daemon amavis
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• 710[22:11:31] <cheapie> ZodoTurtle: You can probably, as a workaround, dpkg-divert /sbin/poweroff to something else and replace it with a shell script that stops those services and then uses a different method (runlevel 0 maybe?) to shut down the system.
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• 712[22:12:17] <teraflops> ZodoTurtle: those one are hungry as hell
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• 716[22:12:27] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: Are both services installed via current debian packages?
• 717[22:12:35] <ZodoTurtle> jhutchins: yes.
• 718[22:12:42] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: Which release?
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• 720[22:12:55] <ZodoTurtle> current.
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• 722[22:13:07] <teraflops> ZodoTurtle: how about the guest resources? ram cpu etc.
• 723[22:13:07] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: So jessie with systemd?
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• 726[22:14:04] <Walakea> how did the boot proccess look like before systemd?
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• 728[22:14:05] <teraflops> ZodoTurtle: also assuming those services are well configured
• 729[22:14:11] <ZodoTurtle> jhutchins: correct. teraflops: it is the vm. I have it limited to 256Mb RAM but can bump that. Could just as easily ditch teh clamav all together. I don't remember what amavis is.
• 730[22:14:52] <Walakea> i am too young to have seen sysvinit
• 731[22:14:58] <ZodoTurtle> yeah, could probably ditch them both.
• 732[22:14:59] <jelly> ZodoTurtle: amavis is mail filter infrastructure. It can use spamassasin and clamav.
• 733[22:15:00] <cheapie> "Package amavisd-new jessie (stable) (mail): Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters"
• 734[22:15:04] <teraflops> ZodoTurtle: hmm, well tried launching them manually while looking at the logs?
• 735[22:15:14] <greycat> Walakea: I doubt that. sysvinit was the default in wheezy, less than a year ago.
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• 739[22:15:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, he's maybe 6 :)
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• 741[22:16:15] <Walakea> i started using G/L in September
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• 744[22:16:40] <cheapie> Heh, I've not only used sysvinit, I've *used* System V (admittedly in a VM to play with).
• 745[22:17:13] <cheapie> (I can't remember where I found it. It was a few years ago)
• 746[22:17:50] <teraflops> runit looks interesting
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• 753[22:19:20] <Walakea> what do you think boot time: Win 8.1 ~ 5 s; Debian ~ 30 s
• 754[22:19:27] <Walakea> *about my
• 755[22:20:03] <cheapie> Walakea: That's... unusual. Debian boots in around 3s (GRUB to login prompt) for me.
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• 757[22:20:08] <abrotman> I have a Debian that boots in 5 seconds and the hardware is probably about five years old ..
• 758[22:20:13] <abrotman> maybe seven years?
• 759[22:20:21] <f-a> hello, I am recently having problem with viewing disqus comments on my debian machine (jessie). I am puzzled because even choosing a different browser doesn't change the outcome (I tried xombrero and iceweasel).
• 760[22:20:28] <f-a> replaced-url
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• 762[22:20:34] <teraflops> Walakea: systemd-analyze and systemd-analyze blame
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• 764[22:20:38] <f-a> (scroll down). to me it keeps loading
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• 766[22:21:01] <cheapie> My server takes more like 3 minutes to boot, but that thing's ancient and it's running a bunch of services.
• 767[22:21:02] <abrotman> Walakea: It ultimately depends on what the system is doing .. If your Debian has Oracle DB installed, it might take a little longer than Win8
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• 769[22:21:22] <Walakea> Startup finished in 2.006s (kernel) + 14.750s (userspace) = 16.756s
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• 771[22:21:35] <jelly> abrotman: if your debian has oracle db installed, you're running it on an unsupported platform!
• 772[22:21:44] <Walakea> almost pure debian with a few applications
• 773[22:21:47] <abrotman> jelly: irrelevant! :)
• 774[22:21:54] <jelly> and crazy.
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• 777[22:22:25] <teraflops> Walakea: your issue is not *about* debian
• 778[22:22:27] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: amavis is a mail server extension.
• 779[22:22:35] <abrotman> jelly: replaced-url
• 780[22:22:52] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: Often used to run clamav against incoming mail.
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• 782[22:23:06] <Walakea> and what then?
• 783[22:23:16] <ZodoTurtle> teraflops: Thank you. It was memory hungry. I had it at 256Mb and it was using most if it. I bumped to 512Mb and same. Bumped to 1Gb and same. Bumped to 1.5Gb and it shuts down fine.
• 784[22:23:21] <teraflops> ZodoTurtle: mostly to protect users from themselves :p
• 785[22:23:29] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: Clamav provides proovable evidence that you have installed an antivirus program to satisfy audits. (It does not do much about viruses.)
• 786[22:23:42] <teraflops> ZodoTurtle: ah good
• 787[22:24:23] <Walakea> i could copy paste the result of systemd-analyze blame
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• 789[22:24:29] <Walakea> what is the website?
• 790[22:24:31] <ZodoTurtle> I will try to report my successes as well as my failures.
• 791[22:24:36] <teraflops> use a sane pastebin service Walakea :P
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• 797[22:25:37] <markybob> Walakea: i don't know why you're complaining about 16 seconds, though. that's pretty decent. replaced-url
• 798[22:25:41] <Walakea> replaced-url
• 799[22:25:41] <teraflops> i mamaged to boot a debian workstation in 1.9s just for fun 2.5s is fine here
• 800[22:25:50] <Walakea> 30 s
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• 802[22:26:04] <markybob> Walakea: it's not what you posted
• 803[22:26:05] <teraflops> Walakea: what about the *sane* bit!?
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• 807[22:27:31] <jiggawattz> yo
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• 810[22:27:42] <Walakea> i set GRUB timeout to 1 s
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• 812[22:28:16] <antena-cli> I uninstalled iceweasel with # apt remove iceweasel and downloaded firefox-44.0.2.tar.bz2 from mozilla.org. How do I install Firefox in my Cinnamon, with icons, file association and everything? I don't want to install some old 3rd part version like 43.0 from LinuxMint repositories. I need this official release to use Netflix.
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• 814[22:28:21] <Walakea> i measured the time from pressing power button to having the GNOME interface
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• 818[22:28:48] <greycat> ... you just downloaded firefox 44.0.2 and you call 43.0 "old"?!
• 819[22:28:58] <greycat> What is it, a whole week?
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• 822[22:29:18] <greycat> Am I caught in the Weird Al song?
• 823[22:29:30] <antena-cli> greycat, the bigger problem is that this version from LinuxMint doesn't run Netflix.
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• 825[22:30:36] <greycat> Well, I can't help you with icons & shit, but you can just extract the upstream firefox tarball somewhere, make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/firefox to the appropriate file in your extracted directory, and voila.
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• 828[22:31:27] <Walakea> also i tried hibernating once for a day and it took longer to wake from the hibernation that turning the pc on
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• 831[22:32:05] <jhutchins> antena-cli: Are you doing this on Mint or on Debian?
• 832[22:32:30] <antena-cli> Debian 8.3.0 with Cinnamon.
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• 834[22:32:50] <jhutchins> antena-cli: Why not follow the insatll instructions from Mozilla?
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• 840[22:35:05] <antena-cli> jhutchins: They only show how to install it on Ubuntu or OpenSuse.
• 841[22:35:40] <greycat> Is symlinking /usr/local/bin/firefox -> /wherever/firefox not good enough?
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• 844[22:36:00] <greycat> I don't have a box with upstream FF at the moment, but that's what I did in the past.
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• 849[22:36:50] <greycat> I also renamed the extracted directory from "firefox" to "firefox-x.y" (version string) but that was for my own sanity when I needed to downgrade because of all the shit that would break.
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• 862[22:41:30] <Walakea> do you manage to have boot time under 10 s with pure Debian installation or with some hacks?
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• 866[22:42:38] <antena-cli> greycat: I did it and executed Firefox. A warning window shows that D-BUS Server is not running and warns me that I'll lose some configurations.
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• 869[22:44:07] <antena-cli> greycat: I created a file called test.html with one line and the file association did not occurred.
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• 871[22:44:46] <greycat> I don't know what a "file association" is. Sounds like some GUI crap.
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• 873[22:44:52] <ZodoTurtle> jhutchins: teraflops: I have to reinstall that system anyway. I'm going to leave the antivirus stuff out. I feel comfortable that we won't be needing it. We run mostly Linux and some Mac. That should drastically reduce the required RAM footprint.
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• 877[22:45:45] <markybob> antena-cli: usually you right-click and do open with then it saves it
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• 879[22:46:00] <teraflops> Yeah It's hungry as hell
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• 881[22:47:08] <ZodoTurtle> markybob: yeah, where did that right-click open with openJDK go, in pcmanfm on LXDE? Sucks to drop to terminal and manually execute java -jar target.jar
• 882[22:47:41] <markybob> ZodoTurtle: i wouldn't know. don't use them
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• 885[22:47:56] <antena-cli> Netflix didn't work anyways. Thanks everybody! I'll have to use chrome. :/
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• 888[22:49:41] <jhutchins> antena-cli: Netflix uses DRM and may not work at all on Linux. They may block it because it's much easier to save and copy streams. (I kindof assumed they did.)
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• 890[22:49:46] <ZodoTurtle> Um, last I knew. netflix has DRM that generally doesn't work in Linux at all.
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• 892[22:50:18] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: Yeah, I don't think you can even do it with Wine running a Windows browser.
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• 894[22:50:25] <abrotman> !netflix
• 895[22:50:25] <dpkg> This may or may not work: replaced-url
• 896[22:50:26] <markybob> works on chrome for me
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• 898[22:50:46] <jhutchins> markybob: Netflix? That could mean it's an issue with flash.
• 899[22:50:50] <j4son> yeah i just run it in chrome
• 900[22:51:01] <ZodoTurtle> At best, with some magic, you might get it to work via mono. Seriously doubt it. Yeah, wine would be the other very unlikely case.
• 901[22:51:01] <markybob> jhutchins: yes
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• 903[22:51:16] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: We appear to be wrong.
• 904[22:51:23] <ZodoTurtle> wow.
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• 906[22:51:33] <jhutchins> Go chrome.
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• 908[22:51:51] <ZodoTurtle> I'll have to share this good news with some of my friends.
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• 913[22:52:59] <f-a> I'll try once again :P replaced-url
• 914[22:53:15] <f-a> (scroll down to find it)
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• 916[22:54:17] <jhutchins> f-a: What browser are you using? What DE?
• 917[22:54:31] <f-a> jhutchins: no DE, iceweasel (but it fails to load with xombrero too)
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• 919[22:54:57] <jhutchins> f-a: I doubt you're running straight X - are you in gnome?
• 920[22:55:07] <Pr0metheus> anyone knows how to save a session on logout in gnome just like kde does?
• 921[22:55:08] <f-a> jhutchins: I am running straight X
• 922[22:55:13] <f-a> (and xmonad)
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• 924[22:55:27] <mkb> f-a, it loads for me in iceweasel anyway
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• 926[22:55:50] <mkb> and not in gnome either
• 927[22:56:01] <f-a> mkb: thanks. jessie?
• 928[22:56:04] <mkb> yeah
• 929[22:56:08] <f-a> :s
• 930[22:56:32] <f-a> I wonder what I did to break that...
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• 932[22:57:26] <mkb> you can create another profile with firefox -ProfileManager and it won't have anything you've changed in it's config
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• 934[22:58:08] <axc1298> f-a: you're running firefox without any sort of window manager? that sound awful..
• 935[22:58:12] <f-a> mkb: already did it, no dice. I even tried another browser (xombrero)
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• 939[22:58:36] <f-a> it seems to load the "ads" of disqus but no comments...
• 940[22:58:47] <mkb> f-a, firewalls? dns/hosts ad blocker?
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• 942[22:59:26] <axc1298> javascript
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• 948[23:00:31] <ZodoTurtle> Removing those three packages freed about 500Mb or RAM spamassasin clamav amavis
• 949[23:00:34] <f-a> axc1298: I have xmonad on top of x, it's ok
• 950[23:01:09] <f-a> mkb: I `iptables -F` and still no dice but tbf I am connecting through a nat which is not under my control so who knows, maybe they changed something. I'll check!
• 951[23:01:34] <jhutchins> ZodoTurtle: Do you receive mail with this server?
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• 953[23:01:54] <mkb> aha! if you've got a ssh server somewhere you can do ssh -D and set iceweasel to proxy through it...
• 954[23:02:11] <ZodoTurtle> jhutchins: Not directly. It will be using getmail against a gmail account.
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• 961[23:04:12] <axc1298> f-a: oh ok, so not straight X..
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• 963[23:04:16] <GandoIf> test
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• 965[23:04:27] <axc1298> oh wait, didn't knwo what xmonad was sorry
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• 967[23:04:55] <f-a> axc1298: yep, no DE
• 968[23:04:59] <axc1298> haven't used a straight WM since i tried out openbox a while back
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• 973[23:06:40] <axc1298> f-a: in iceweasel you can click help -> restart with addons disabled. see if it works like that
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• 979[23:08:37] <f-a> axc1298: no dice, I am suspecting the NAT I am using to connect to the internet. Let's see if it is it...
• 980[23:08:51] <axc1298> could be
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