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0 [00:00:10] <missmbob> thus why such things arent supported
1 [00:00:13] <missmbob> !dont break debian
2 [00:00:13] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is
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4 [00:00:33] <tom99> oh i think I figured it out, the next line
says to install the dpkg-dev package. and when I type apt-get
install dpkg-dev it wants to download a gigabyte of crap
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9 [00:00:59] <tom99> I'm thinking maybe having jessie
repositories might have messed my system up so it needs crazy huge
dependencies?
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11 [00:01:08] <missmbob> obviously
12 [00:01:11] <missmbob> you should never mix
13 [00:01:14] <tom99> ok, wasn't sure what was going on
there
14 [00:01:28] <tom99> Usually when I want to install a package
I'm not accustomed to downloading gigabytes
15 [00:01:33] <marc0s> hi, where can i start looking why my usb
keyboard works during boot (ie: grub and luks password prompt) but
not on the login prompt at a tty? once i unplug and plug it back it
works
16 [00:02:12] <marc0s> it's a laptop with debian testing on
it
17 [00:02:20] <missmbob> !debian-next
18 [00:02:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
19 [00:02:23] <missmbob> marc0s: ^^
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21 [00:02:40] <marc0s> missmbob: oh, thanks
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152 [00:53:59] <guideX> any idea how to solve this issue
replaced-url
153 [00:54:30] <guideX> on my raspberry pi zero using tightvnc
server
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157 [00:57:22] <jim> can someone walk me through building wlwifi
drivers for a backports kernel?
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165 [01:00:10] <Circuitsoft_> Hello - I'm at the (initramfs)
prompt. All of my disks are here - lvm is started etc, but
/dev/disk/by-uuid does not exist.
166 [01:00:16] <Circuitsoft_> This is Jessie.
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170 [01:00:27] <Circuitsoft_> How can I force /dev/disk/by-uuid/
to be created?
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172 [01:00:46] <Circuitsoft_> I do have by-id is the only thing
in /dev/disk.
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190 [01:08:29] <appas> guideX: when do you get that error? can
you open a terminal locally?
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239 [01:25:46] <jim> maybe you have no uuids?
240 [01:25:50] <jim> you can check whether you do, by running
lsblk or blkid /dev/sdx8 (or somethying like that)
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248 [01:29:40] <jim> can someone walk me through building wlwifi
drivers for a backports kernel? I'm running 3.16.0-4-amd64, and
the kernel I want to build iwlwifi for is 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64
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250 [01:30:28] <jim> the 3.16 kernel has had this driver since I
installed debian on that machine
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259 [01:31:32] <simbalion> I'm using KeePass on two debian
systems, one is a laptop the other a desktop, both are running
xfce4. Auto-typing on the laptop goes really really fast, but on the
desktop it literally crawls.. Can anyone tell me why this might be?
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264 [01:34:34] <jim> , pciid 8086:095a
265 [01:34:35] <judd> [8086:095a] is 'Wireless 7265'
from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See
also
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275 [01:38:05] <RoyK> I guess that PCI ID was chose by some old
Intel guys ;)
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277 [01:38:34] <RoyK> 8086 was their breakethrough, remember,
after the chaos after the 8085
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301 [01:47:21] <LearnerWind> Hey i am having problems with
interpreting data from serial ports. Can anyone give me some help?
302 [01:47:21] <LearnerWind> 42 C1 86 A5 81 80 A5 87 85 81 C4 87
84 81 A4 C4 84 46
303 [01:47:21] <LearnerWind> 25.7,c, 56.3,%, 1751,ppm,
304 [01:47:21] <LearnerWind> The first line should become
something like the second but i cant figure out how
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306 [01:48:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh
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314 [01:49:18] <LearnerWind> Hi
315 [01:49:37] <jim> LearnerWind, you can pastebin the output of
an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc
termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages,
"anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
316 [01:49:53] <jim> it requires you have netcat installed
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319 [01:50:13] <LearnerWind> I need help to figure out the
meaning of a binary code from serial port
320 [01:50:23] <LearnerWind> Jim: netcat rocks
321 [01:50:25] <RoyK> LearnerWind: big endian?
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323 [01:50:31] <LearnerWind> I am new on rc
324 [01:50:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> we got it
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326 [01:50:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I doubt anyone can answer
that
327 [01:50:45] <LearnerWind> Royk: idk i've tryed bouth
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329 [01:50:56] <RoyK> LearnerWind: what sort of machine?
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331 [01:51:14] <LearnerWind> Cutmeownthroat: :)
332 [01:51:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> not really something that has
anything to do with debian as such either
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335 [01:51:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'd say read the
documentation of whatever creates the serial input
336 [01:51:39] <LearnerWind> I cant send messages in the hardware
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340 [01:52:12] <LearnerWind> Royk: a co2 datalogger
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345 [01:52:45] <LearnerWind> I mean in the hardware chatroom
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349 [01:54:22] <LearnerWind> \msg NickServ
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354 [01:56:09] <jim> LearnerWind, I think I've discovered
why you can't speak in ##hardware...
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356 [01:56:45] <LearnerWind> yeah changing it now
357 [01:56:55] <jim> it's that you haven't registered
your nick. To do so, I collected a couple guides:
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358 [01:57:19] <LearnerWind> Thank you
359 [01:57:27] <jim> welcome
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361 [01:58:29] <jim> be sure to check your email after you do the
registration step, there's steps there for completing your
registration
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366 [02:00:06] <jim> there are other channels that restrict those
who havent' registered in some way... once you register
you'd have access to them as well
367 [02:00:51] <LearnerWind> yeah
368 [02:00:52] <iKarith> wow, installing gdm3 pretty much
installs gnome3 by default via Recommends: abuse. Lame.
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371 [02:01:11] <LearnerWind> waiting for the email to arrive at
sdf.org
372 [02:01:55] <jim> it'll take a couple mins... plus, they
sometimes will get lost... for that, check your spam folder
373 [02:02:15] <LearnerWind> I wish i am not there
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383 [02:08:12] <iKarith> Actually, gdm3 also Depends: gnome-shell
which Depends: on most of Gnome.
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389 [02:10:55] <LearnerWind> Jim: I am in:)
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403 [02:20:44] <provolone> I recently upgraded an older server,
but now I only see two cores in top. The system should show two
cores per processor for a total of 4 cores.
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405 [02:21:34] <provolone> /proc/cpuinfo is still correct
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412 [02:23:53] <RoyK> provolone: pastebin lscpu
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415 [02:25:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> 32 bit system?
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417 [02:25:28] <simbalion> I'm using KeePass on two debian
systems, one is a laptop the other a desktop, both are running
xfce4. Auto-typing on the laptop goes really really fast, but on the
desktop it literally crawls.. Can anyone tell me why this might be?
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423 [02:27:13] <missmbob> simbalion: which version?
424 [02:27:18] <provolone>
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425 [02:28:09] <missmbob> simbalion: i've backported the
latest keepass2 to jessie if you want to try it. might help.
426 [02:28:45] <simbalion> missmbob: can you tell me what version
that is?
427 [02:28:57] <missmbob> simbalion: i did 2.34.
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429 [02:29:37] <simbalion> missmbob: okay I'll give that a
try thanks, on 2.28 currently
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432 [02:30:58] <smonchi> BUUURP!
433 [02:30:59] <darkmatter> hey guys im looking for a cheap,
lightweight method of running a "virtual OS" within my
debian server without having to install something like virtualbox or
vmware
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437 [02:32:28] <simbalion> missmbob: huh, apt is telling me
I've got the latest version..
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439 [02:32:41] <missmbob> simbalion: you do. for jessie. mine are
backported
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441 [02:32:53] <missmbob> so dpkg -i foo.deb
442 [02:33:04] <simbalion> I'm using jessie-backports
443 [02:33:16] <missmbob> i didnt say it was jessie-backports. i
said i backported :P
444 [02:33:21] <simbalion> oh wait I see what you're saying,
I have to download from your site lol
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446 [02:34:19] <missmbob> simbalion: the source code is at the
same place if you're interested in that
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453 [02:39:30] <guideX> appas: I get that error when I connect
via vnc
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455 [02:39:38] <guideX> on login
456 [02:39:48] <guideX> (sorry for delay)
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463 [02:41:52] <simbalion> missmbob: no difference, I don't
think keepass is the issue, I think it's got something to do
with key typing speed
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465 [02:42:08] <missmbob> simbalion: which de?
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467 [02:42:32] <simbalion> missmbob: jessie
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470 [02:42:45] <simbalion> oh wait, de.. xfce4
471 [02:42:51] <simbalion> both machines are using xfce4
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474 [02:43:20] <missmbob> in xfce4 menu->settings->keyboard
has typing speed settings. looked at that?
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476 [02:43:57] <missmbob> simbalion: i dont know what could be
doing it. works fine here. sorry.
477 [02:44:11] <guideX> any idea how to solve this issue
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478 [02:44:18] <simbalion> missmbob: yeah I tried messing with
that
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480 [02:44:26] <f0ff> Is there anyway to use Noto fonts on debian
8 ?
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486 [02:44:46] <missmbob> ,v fonts-noto
487 [02:44:47] <judd> Package: fonts-noto on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 2013-04-11-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2013-04-11-2; sid:
20160724-1; stretch: 20160724-1
488 [02:44:50] <missmbob> the answer is yes
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490 [02:45:21] <simbalion> I think the issue is with xdotool
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494 [02:46:56] <ecto> was wondering if anyone has any suggestions
on how to troubleshoot the display brightness adjustments not
working in deb 8 stretch - running on hp laptop with intel graphics
(the default gnome install)
495 [02:47:37] <f0ff> missmbob: oh i meant the 500MB tarball that
google provides though. it has emoji and all kinds of stuff
496 [02:47:44] <appas> guideX: well does it work, otherwise? can
you close the dialog (with your X mouse cursor, or with the
keyboard)? and does the pi work fine when not used through vnc?
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498 [02:48:16] <missmbob> f0ff: that sounds awful and i wouldnt
know anything about it
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500 [02:48:25] <guideX> appas: yes everything's fine
otherwise
501 [02:48:30] <guideX> I can use the terminal over ssh
502 [02:48:43] <guideX> I can do everything like open the file
manager, even use qt creator
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504 [02:49:00] <missmbob> f0ff: do you know how to manually
install fonts?
505 [02:49:02] <guideX> but I have the x as cursor, error on
startup, and no terminal loads etc
506 [02:49:11] <f0ff> missmbob: yes but the point of it is to
covering everything in utf, so you don't need to care with
fonts aslong you have the resources :P i think, haven't got it
to work
507 [02:49:15] <guideX> when not using vnc, there's no
problenm
508 [02:49:25] <guideX> for instance, mouse, kb, monitor, no
issues like that
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510 [02:49:42] <f0ff> missmbob: i just threw them into
/usr/share/fonts, but it didn't seem to be able to render
anything
511 [02:50:05] <missmbob> first you have to refresh the cache
(and then after sometimes restart x). anyway, read this.replaced-url
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514 [02:52:01] <appas> guideX: well, i'd go over the vnc
server conf, then run it with debug logging, try to find out
what's raising that error message. maybe that's the same
thing as what's stopping you from starting a terminal... but,
let me get this straight: you can't load a graphical terminal
through vnc, but if you start it eg. with a local keyboard, you can
use it through vnc?
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516 [02:52:41] <guideX> yes
517 [02:52:47] <guideX> wait a sec
518 [02:52:52] <guideX> I cannot use the terminal via vnc
519 [02:53:02] <guideX> I can only open the terminal from
mouse/kb/monitor or ssh
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521 [02:53:20] <guideX> so if I ssh to my pi, I have a terminal,
or if I connect my pi to the monitor etc
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524 [02:54:44] <appas> well, if you connect your pi to the
monitor, and use a mouse/kb combo locally to open a terminal window,
you have no trouble using it through vnc... right? so that leaves
starting this terminal through vnc as the problem... which procedure
is what, exactly? from the menus? a hotkey?
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526 [02:56:12] <guideX> I just click the icon in the systray or
whatever it's called, the icon in the upper left hand corner
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529 [02:56:28] <guideX> I can click the other icons just fine
530 [02:56:49] <appas> and you have different behavior clicking
on this certain icon when doing so over vnc, and when doing so
locally?
531 [02:57:06] <guideX> well if I click on the icon locally,
terminal opens, click on it over vnc, it doesn't open etc
532 [02:57:16] <guideX> ssh to the pi, and terminal ssh session
opens too
533 [02:57:21] <guideX> just dioesn't open from vnc side
534 [02:57:27] <guideX> I guess not a huge issue, just annoying
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537 [02:57:54] <guideX> trying to perfect my pi dev machine etc
538 [02:58:12] <guideX> I guess I can just use it as is, not
hurting anything that way
539 [02:58:23] <guideX> appas: but something wrong the way
it's setup eh?
540 [02:58:34] <guideX> I mean, that error might cause some more
problems eh?
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561 [03:02:16] <appas> yeah, you're right. try to pore over
the debug logs of your vnc server, and syslog etc. from the same
time period, when trying to open the terminal over vnc. that's
all i can think of :/
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573 [03:09:53] <magyar> hi, i just installed testing on my laptop
but for some odd reason the video card module is not getting loaded
during boot, how can I fix this?
574 [03:10:01] <missmbob> !debian-next
575 [03:10:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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577 [03:10:04] <missmbob> magyar: ^^
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579 [03:10:32] <magyar> thank you missmbob
580 [03:10:39] <missmbob> magyar: btw it's not surprising
testing is broken. that's what happens
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583 [03:11:29] <magyar> hmm, can't join debian-next
584 [03:11:40] <magyar> vip only
585 [03:11:41] <missmbob> magyar: you failed to read it properly
586 [03:11:54] <magyar> oops
587 [03:12:35] <magyar> got it, thanks missmbob
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594 [03:19:01] <tom99> what is the exact difference between
testing and unstable?
595 [03:19:10] <tom99> like, what determines a package is
"good enough" to be moved?
596 [03:19:33] <missmbob> tom99: normally a week. if something
big comes up it gets stalled
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609 [03:25:09] <tom99> so if I change my system to be a debian
testing system
610 [03:25:18] <tom99> will that involve automatically running
daily updates?
611 [03:25:20] <tom99> or how does that work
612 [03:25:50] <missmbob> no. unless you tell it to. there are
ways to automate upgrades but for a testing system that's
suicide
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618 [03:28:37] <awal1> tom99, even using stable branch automating
upgrades is not recommended in my opinion
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621 [03:29:01] <jim> tom99, you can I guess... but every time you
install anything new, you change your system (perhaps inconveniently
so)
622 [03:30:04] <missmbob> if you don't read
apt-listchanges...at *least*...well...it'll go bye-bye soon
enough
623 [03:30:26] <magyar> how can i load a module during boot time?
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626 [03:31:36] <missmbob> magyar: you have /etc/modules-load.d/
...but the kernel tries to automatically load them when it thinks it
needs it
627 [03:31:42] <awal1> tom99, a general idea
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628 [03:32:29] <missmbob> rule one: have used debian for 5 years
:P
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645 [03:35:11] <jim> anyway, I was originally interested in
compiling iwlwifi for 4.6... come to find it's already there...
so why didn't the wireless work, I'm asking myself, and I
don't know... what I did as an initial step to try to find out,
is pastebin what dmesg says on each kernel... in both cases, I
grepped dmesg for iwl... so, for 3.16 kernel, which works sortof,
replaced-url
646 [03:36:30] <jim> but, for kernel 4.6, it says
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649 [03:36:50] <jim> (this is the one I'm trying to get
working)
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651 [03:37:42] <somiaj> jim: you need to install the firmware
from jessie-backports as well as the kernel.
652 [03:38:53] <jim> somiaj, which package? firmware-iwlwifi?
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654 [03:38:58] <somiaj> jim: correct
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661 [03:40:52] <magyar> missmbob: in my case i can modprobe and
load the module but it will not load during boot time
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665 [03:41:43] <missmbob> magyar: this talks about autoload in a
different way. should work.
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666 [03:42:17] <magyar> missmbob: thanks
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669 [03:44:40] <jim> I'm looking at my sources.list right
now, I'm not using any https sources,,, yet it complains about
not finding that protocol,,,, what's the package for that?
(I'll install it, I guess that will quiet it down)
670 [03:45:07] <missmbob> apt-transport-https
671 [03:45:31] <magyar> missmbob: that's got to be an old
link, update-modules doesn't exist
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675 [03:47:16] <girlsayswhat> Here's what I'm listening
to right now:
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676 [03:47:25] <girlsayswhat> Jewish controlled debt-based
monetary systems are WEAPONS because there is always more DEBT in
the system than money to pay off the debt.
677 [03:48:06] <preaction> say what?
678 [03:48:10] <jim> girlsayswhat, politics discussion is about
9000 miles toward the south pole
679 [03:48:22] <missmbob> preaction jim: dont feed the troll
please
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681 [03:51:19] <dvs> nom nom nom
682 [03:51:38] <missmbob> dvs: you...how do you always manage...
asshole ;)
683 [03:51:47] <dvs> heh
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685 [03:53:45] <appas> how do i reset all configuration files to
the package maintainer's defaults? surely there's a more
elegant way than a purge & install cycle?
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697 [04:04:04] <knamehost> hi
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699 [04:04:09] <knamehost> can anybody help me
700 [04:04:16] <knamehost> recovery my debian system
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707 [04:07:48] <dvs> ...and he's back
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712 [04:09:45] <girlsayswhat> dvs, Let me make myself perfectly
clear.
713 [04:09:50] <girlsayswhat> Every day now we're exposing
their lies and their scams and their hatred and their malignant,
unending, supernatural psychopathy.
714 [04:10:10] <dvs> !ops girlsayswhat is spamming
715 [04:10:11] <girlsayswhat> With the cat out of the bag the
only thing YOU can do is embrace truth and morality.
716 [04:10:11] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains
about: girlsayswhat is spamming
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718 [04:10:41] <girlsayswhat> dvs, Your threats mean nothing.
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725 [04:14:32] <dvs> *plonk*
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763 [04:31:45] <jim> , source apt-transport-https
764 [04:31:46] <judd> Package apt-transport-https in jessie --
source: apt
765 [04:32:10] <jim> , source apt
766 [04:32:11] <judd> Package apt in jessie -- source: apt
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801 [04:54:46] <jim> , v apt-transport-https
802 [04:54:47] <judd> Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie:
1.0.9.8.3; stretch: 1.3~rc4; sid: 1.3~rc4
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804 [04:56:00] <jmcnaught> jim: hey, you might be interested in
the rmadison command from the devscripts package. Also you can
message judd :)
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808 [04:58:17] <jim> rmadison... I dunno what it is but I'll
look into it :) meanwhile this transport thing is really frustrating
me... I can't understand why it would think it's
missing... there's not really a reason to go for it...
meanwhile hours later... argh... you get the idea generally...
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814 [04:59:31] <jim> thanks to judd I have the right one now
815 [04:59:50] <jmcnaught> jim: rmadison will tell you which
version of a package is in each release
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818 [05:00:12] <leahcim> Hi, is this where I come to complain
that syncproxy.au.debian.org (or mirror.waia.asn.au, I can't
tell) hasn't updated in a week, breaking apt-get update on all
my machines? :P
819 [05:00:32] <jim> you mean like is in the udd]
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828 [05:02:03] <jim> leahcim, thats about why I sometimes patpat
my sources.list.m4... change one thing, all of them get written...
829 [05:02:42] <jim> the only thing about that, is I had to learn
some m4
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832 [05:04:35] <leahcim> I have a package containing some
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ files, and some magic to tweak release
pinning that enables releases if apt and debian-archive-keyring are
the right versions :P
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839 [05:08:14] <tx> Occasionally we have stuff that stops working
on servers that have had an unclean shutdown
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841 [05:08:23] <tx> usually because a pid or lock file is still
there.
842 [05:08:39] <tx> so the process fails to / won't start
for whatever reason via systemd / init
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845 [05:09:05] <tx> is there a way to get around this? check for
the files on bootup before starting any services after a particular
run-level? :p
846 [05:09:52] <leahcim> Isn't /var/{lock,run} on tmpfs
these days?
847 [05:10:10] <tx> hmm, not on this machine and it's nearly
brand new
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849 [05:10:49] <leahcim> Odd, it is on my jessie machines...
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853 [05:12:20] <leahcim> And the wheezy machines I checked too :P
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886 [05:33:35] <jim> that was -rough-... after solving a thousand
million little tiny detailed puzzles... I finally got the firmware
from jessie backports as you suggested, and it does work now
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889 [05:35:21] <jim> so, thanks for that, it's definitely a
load off my mind
890 [05:35:27] <Je553e> I download the kernel tar from kernel.org
and "john@debian:~/Downloads$ gpg --verify linux-4.4.1.tar.sign
linux-4.4.1.tar.gz gpg: Signature made Monday, February 01, 2016
AM03:29:59 HKT using RSA key ID 6092693E gpg: BAD signature from
"Greg Kroah-Hartman (Linux kernel stable release signing key)
<greg@kroah.com>"
891 [05:35:42] <Je553e> it's fake?
892 [05:35:52] <missmbob> Je553e: stop. arent you the one i
talked to yesterday about this?
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894 [05:36:03] <missmbob> and greycat. and others
895 [05:36:10] <Je553e> missmbob: No
896 [05:36:17] <jim> no idea... but, there are later kernels in
jessie backports
897 [05:36:21] <missmbob> pretty sure i have the look that
i'm looking at now...
898 [05:36:25] <missmbob> log*
899 [05:36:29] <Je553e> I don't talk about this yesterday
900 [05:36:45] <jim> you don't have to compile your own
kernel if you don't want to
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902 [05:37:09] <missmbob> Je553e: to compile it properly on
debian you *must* follow this.
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904 [05:37:42] <Je553e> missmbob: it's not yesterday,
it's a few days ago :)
905 [05:37:58] <jim> probably that involves building a package of
the kernel and modules... very handy
906 [05:38:19] <Je553e> missmbob: so it's fake?
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908 [05:38:49] <missmbob> Je553e: no. you just cant sign willy
nilly like that. read the fucking handbook i linked you to days ago
:P
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915 [05:44:44] <Je553e> missmbob: "# gunzip -c
linux-4.7.3.tar.gz |gpg --verify linux-4.7.3.tar.sign - gpg:
Signature made Wednesday, September 07, 2016 PM02:35:30 HKT using
RSA key ID 6092693E gpg: Can't check signature: public key not
found"
916 [05:44:44] <Je553e>
917 [05:45:07] <Je553e> I should add this key into something?
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921 [05:45:54] <Je553e> that singature something really kill me
:(
922 [05:45:55] <missmbob> Je553e: is that mentioned anywhere in
the handbook?
923 [05:46:17] <missmbob> the answer is no.
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926 [05:46:56] <Je553e> missmbob: the carpter you sent me, no
mention
927 [05:47:03] <mtcj> Us there a channel for package maintainers?
928 [05:47:13] <missmbob> yeah. so you're asking me to
comment on something i havent told you to do
929 [05:47:23] <missmbob> i gave you the exact instructions. up
to you to follow or now
930 [05:47:25] <missmbob> not*
931 [05:48:07] <missmbob> !mentors
932 [05:48:07] <dpkg> it has been said that mentors is the system
the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian
Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the
Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>.
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933 [05:48:13] <missmbob> mtcj: got there
934 [05:48:21] <mtcj> Ok
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936 [05:49:12] <mtcj> It is invite only, if anyone there wants to
invite me, thanks in advance.
937 [05:49:27] <missmbob> mtcj: no it's not. you didn't
read everything. read carefully
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939 [05:50:44] <missmbob> mtcj: it's on a different network.
OFTC *not* freenode
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944 [05:52:30] <mtcj> Hmm they should probably say that in the
/topic instead of "part and rejoin", and ## should also
mention that OFTC is the place to go
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950 [05:58:50] <Je553e> how to verify files that signed by gpg?
951 [05:59:35] <Je553e> I got the key use gpg --keyserver, and
got xxx.sign and file
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954 [05:59:55] <Je553e> now I'm using gpt --verify xxx.sign
file, it's wrong?
955 [06:00:03] <tom99> je553e: Funny you ask that, I asked that
in #gpg and haven't gotten an answer yet
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957 [06:00:27] <tom99> Someone in another channel suggested I do
gpg --keyring gnu-keyring.gpg --verify xxx.sig xxx
958 [06:01:15] <tom99> But I get output that says warning
it's not from a trusted signature
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960 [06:01:34] <tom99> The GPG website says this is an error
people get, but doesn't instruct me on how to fix it
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966 [06:02:52] <Je553e> so gpg is just a joke? and people should
use md5sum check
967 [06:03:54] <tom99> well in fairness it also says it's a
"Good signature" on the previous part
968 [06:03:59] <tom99> so who knows
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974 [06:06:51] <Je553e> why not sign it with ssl or directely use
md5sum?
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982 [06:09:30] <tom99> i don't know je55e
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985 [06:11:02] <mtcj> MD5SUM lawl
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998 [06:16:45] <Je553e> mtcj: I did as it said, but I got
'gpg: not a detached signature'
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1011 [06:24:03] <tom99> ok Jesse I think I figured it out
1012 [06:24:09] <tom99> oh he left
1013 [06:24:15] <tom99> well bollocks
1014 [06:25:00] * tx bollock's tom99
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1017 [06:27:02] <moparisthebest> does anyone use testing or
unstable for a desktop?
1018 [06:27:20] <tx> I do
1019 [06:27:26] <tx> Have done for a long long time.
1020 [06:27:36] <moparisthebest> I want to get off Kubuntu and
I'm most comfortable with debian, but I'm deciding between
debian testing/unstable or Arch, I think
1021 [06:27:37] <tom99> anyway, gpg whines about the file not
being "trusted"
1022 [06:27:38] <tom99> but still tells you if the PGP signature
is GOOD or BAD
1023 [06:27:45] <tom99> tx: can you configure updates for testing
to work automatically? or do you manually do apt-get upgrade every
day?
1024 [06:27:53] <tx> lol
1025 [06:27:53] <moparisthebest> tx: which one and how
'stable' do you find it to be? how often do you update and
such?
1026 [06:27:56] <tx> well, you could use a cron job? :P
1027 [06:28:00] <tx> I use stretch
1028 [06:28:05] <tx> it's stable most of the time.
1029 [06:28:13] <tx> so, testing. :0
1030 [06:28:16] <tx> :) *
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1033 [06:28:54] <jmcnaught> on testing and unstable it's best
to do upgrades manually, and use apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges
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1036 [06:29:41] <tx> Yeah.
1037 [06:29:43] <tx> I do it manually.
1038 [06:29:56] <moparisthebest> how often do you generally do it?
1039 [06:30:19] <tx> about once a week, depends on what is getting
updated
1040 [06:30:33] <tx> I have been avoiding xorg updates recently
because xrandr was goofed up.
1041 [06:30:40] <jmcnaught> something to keep in mind about
testing is that it's usually the last to get security updates
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1045 [06:32:23] <moparisthebest> does anyone use unstable for a
desktop? :)
1046 [06:32:44] <tx> Nah I am pretty sane.
1047 [06:32:52] <tx> So no.
1048 [06:33:02] <tx> I am sure people in #debian-next might
disagree though.
1049 [06:33:13] <nkuttler> moparisthebest: sure, some do
1050 [06:33:25] <moparisthebest> I don't mind spending a bit
of time fixing stuff up, I just don't want to spend all my time
fixing stuff up :)
1051 [06:33:27] <tx> jmcnaught: which is why I don't use
anything but stable on servers and the like. :)
1052 [06:33:36] <nkuttler> moparisthebest: then go with stable
1053 [06:34:00] <moparisthebest> I don't want ancient
software either though
1054 [06:34:14] <tom99> unstable sounds new and exciting. maybe
i'll install that on my virtual machine
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1057 [06:34:35] <tom99> Will it be more or less dangerous than
having sex with strangers tx?
1058 [06:34:39] <moparisthebest> I'm basically deciding
between debian testing/unstable or arch, hmm
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1060 [06:34:58] <tx> Well, testing can get out of date sometimes
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1062 [06:35:29] <tom99> do you get any particular benefits, other
than not having to do system upgrades?
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1066 [06:37:06] <jim> moparisthebest, in ALL of those cases,
support will not be here on this channel
1067 [06:37:45] <moparisthebest> ah the topic, not even freenode
at all? bummer
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1069 [06:38:10] <jim> correct, for the debian side, dunno about
arch
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1157 [07:47:26] <qqa> Do you need to disable secure boot to
install debian?
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1182 [08:08:49] <splashing> hi
1183 [08:10:37] <h3derah3lix> Hi
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1185 [08:11:44] <splashing> when debian will use linux kernel 4.7?
1186 [08:12:51] <GJdan> Getting a weird error when I do apt-get
update... not sure what's going on
1187 [08:12:57] <GJdan> this error:
replaced-url
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1190 [08:14:45] <tx> splashing: when it gets updated
1191 [08:15:05] <splashing> oh,thanks
1192 [08:16:33] <tx> splashing: I would tell you seriously but the
tracking site is being slow
1193 [08:16:44] <tx>
replaced-url
1194 [08:16:51] <tx> it's in unstable now, but not testing
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1196 [08:18:04] <splashing> thanks
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1223 [08:32:37] <bumblefuzz> apparently debian live images come in
flavors that include cinnamon and mate... where do I find the
cinnamon and mate live images?
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1231 [08:36:21] <vvande> bumblefuzz: aren't those Mint
replaced-url
1232 [08:36:27] <vvande> ?
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1236 [08:37:05] <mark244-x1> What is the solution?
replaced-url
1237 [08:37:11] <bumblefuzz> no
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1239 [08:37:20] <bumblefuzz> just a different DE
1240 [08:37:28] <bumblefuzz> mint is its own distro
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1251 [08:43:40] <vvande> bumblefuzz: I know, but it seems like all
the Google links lead to mint in this regard. I believe they're
the ones that created cinnamon.
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1253 [08:44:21] <bumblefuzz> vvande: see "flavors"
replaced-url
1254 [08:45:04] <bumblefuzz> I just can't use the debian
website to locate anything
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1256 [08:45:30] <bumblefuzz> the organization of it makes no sense
to me
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1259 [08:46:06] <vvande> try here
replaced-url
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1264 [08:47:58] <vvande> I agree the Debian site is crap. They
have no organizatinal skills.
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1272 [08:52:44] <mark244-x1> Helpme
replaced-url
1273 [08:52:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> uh, he only needed to click on
"amd64" on the same page and the name of the image would
tell which one had mate?
1274 [08:53:11] <jelly> mark244-x1: your PATH is missing /usr/sbin
and maybe /sbin as well
1275 [08:53:37] <jelly> mark244-x1: what does echo $PATH say in
the root shell you're running the command from?
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1278 [08:55:39] <HGJ> marj244-x1: Did you just upgrade from a
previous version of Debian?
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1280 [08:56:19] <vvande> CutMeOwnThroat: there is nothing that
indicates that clicking on that will give a list. However, I'll
remember that when I next need it. Thanks!
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1284 [08:56:52] <mark244-x1> Not, after. But the problem persist.
1285 [08:58:19] <HGJ> Tried "apt-get install -f"?
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1287 [08:58:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> vvande, well, you have to choose
the architecture, else you'd get a list of *all* architectures?
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1289 [08:58:48] <mark244-x1> Yes i tried.
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1291 [08:59:17] <mark244-x1> is arm
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1293 [08:59:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> what does "Not, after."
mean
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1295 [09:00:33] <mark244-x1> Sorry for my english
1296 [09:01:07] <jelly> mark244-x1: what does "echo
$PATH" say
1297 [09:01:08] <HGJ> "apt-get remove nscd && apt-get
install -f" - then reinstall nscd when the other upgrades are
done
1298 [09:02:02] <jelly> mark244-x1: run the command "echo
$PATH" and show the output here
1299 [09:02:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> HGJ, that can't work.
it's a prerm script, he needs to fix the script. if it's
what jelly suspects, one shouldn't fix it in any other way
1300 [09:02:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> …then by setting path
1301 [09:02:26] <HGJ> True. Lets see the path!
1302 [09:02:39] <jelly> HGJ: it is very clear where the install
scripts fail. They won't magically start working after a
removal and reinstall
1303 [09:02:59] <HGJ> jelly: If it is midway through an upgrade ..
I've seen stranger things :)
1304 [09:03:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> than*
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1308 [09:03:59] <mark244-x1> The path
usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
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1310 [09:04:13] <jelly> mark244-x1: there is no /usr/sbin in
there, add it
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1312 [09:04:43] <mark244-x1> Is a chroot
1313 [09:04:44] <vvande> CutMeOwnThroat: of course, that makes
sence. But it is an insignificant small light colored link with no
explanation. Labeling it would take two seconds for whomever did the
page and would be respectful to users. Especially old folks like me
who can't see so well any more. In any case, I don't wish
to argue. You've been helpful. :)
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1315 [09:05:04] <jelly> mark244-x1: doesn't matter.
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
1316 [09:05:10] <pagios> anyone here tried vnc server/client?
1317 [09:05:29] <jim> have you?
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1324 [09:07:33] <jelly> mark244-x1: after that do "dpkg
--configure -a" and "apt-get -f install"
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1328 [09:08:58] <jim> so it's your choice... you can either
ask a detailed informative question, the one you actually want to
ask, or decide this isn't the place (a choice you don't
have is to take polls without providing complete info)
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1330 [09:09:23] <mark244-x1> Not remove nscd. Is necesary
reinstall.
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1332 [09:09:54] <HGJ> mark244-x1: Try what jelly suggests.
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1337 [09:10:31] <jim> if you decide this isn't the place (it
might not be), you can ask the bot for a list of channels: There is
a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the
Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help
1338 [09:11:05] <HGJ> mark244-x1: If it works, you should probably
add /usr/local/sbin to the PATH variable in /etc/profile to avoid
having to set it after each login
1339 [09:11:30] <jelly> HGJ: it's /usr/sbin, and it's
there by default
1340 [09:11:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> vvande, it probably could be made
better… but "Architecture" in the list above
explains about the two architectures and lists them… then the
downloads at the bottom are split into bittorrent-files and direct
full downloads. The more text there is, the less likely people are
to read it. Mostly the proposed cure for this is to write more
1341 [09:11:39] <jim> I would think there aren't channels
that really like polls, and all including here would prefer the
detailed informative question
1342 [09:11:57] <HGJ> jelly: Then why is it not in his path now? -
I'm guessing it got removed from profile
1343 [09:12:01] <jelly> HGJ: my wild guess is he doesn't
actually have a login shell
1344 [09:12:16] <jelly> but did something like chroot /blah/foo
/bin/bash
1345 [09:12:20] <HGJ> jelly: Ahh - that makes sense ..
1346 [09:12:38] <jelly> without a -l parameter for the shell
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1348 [09:14:46] <darkmatter> is it possible to configure a debian
server that can be used to connect clients to my wireless
printer/scanner
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1368 [09:25:10] <Storfiskaren> darkmatter: Cups have an options
that says "share this printer" at least. You could try
that.
1369 [09:25:37] <darkmatter> yea it shares the printer but not the
scanning functionality i already have a cups print server setup but
it doesnt do scanning, and i took a look at the docs
1370 [09:25:43] <darkmatter> doesn't mention anything about
scanning just printing
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1375 [09:27:29] <HGJ> darkmatter: Assuming both server and client
can use Sane, theres this:
replaced-url
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1383 [09:28:22] <darkmatter> as far as i know sane can only be
used to share USB scanners
1384 [09:28:41] <Gilfoyle> So question, how would I go about
setting a new window manager for auto use at startup? Been combing
through the docs for update-alternatives but been a no go so far.
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1386 [09:29:18] <darkmatter> your DE manager like lightdm or gdm
should have an option when you log into your machine
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1390 [09:30:27] <pinksandy>
replaced-url
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1393 [09:30:53] <pinksandy> 9 11 Brainwashing: Who is responsible?
Part 2
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1400 [09:32:44] <mtcj> Debian
1401 [09:32:57] <mtcj> Try #steelbeams
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1403 [09:33:34] <no_gravity> Hello! My wifi always stops working
after a few minutes and does not work again unless I reboot. Is
there a way to reset only the wifi, so I can test without constantly
rebooting?
1404 [09:33:38] <pinksandy> mtcj, We must identify and bring to
justice the culprits, and if those culprits happen to run this
system, then they need to be taken down all the more.
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1410 [09:36:33] <mtcj> no_gravity: is there anything in the logs?
1411 [09:36:36] <pinksandy> "Life is too wonderful and
promising to allow a gang of psychopaths to turn it into a living
Hell."
1412 [09:37:09] <no_gravity> mtcj: Between it working and it not
working, nothing new appears in the output of "dmesg -T".
Any other logs I should check?
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1416 [09:38:47] <no_gravity> mtcj: Thre is a bunch of stuff in
/var/log/syslog that contains what looks like ipv6 addresses. Maybe
ipv6 is the problem and I should disable it?
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1418 [09:39:24] <HGJ> no_gravity: When the wireless stops working,
does the wired connection still work?
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1420 [09:39:38] <Dagger> "I can see a v6 address, I need to
disable it!" I was kinda hoping we were over this by now :|
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1422 [09:39:48] <no_gravity> HGJ: I don't know. I had no
wired connection for many years now.
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1424 [09:40:26] <HGJ> Dagger: After all, IPv6 is only a 20 year
old standard - we must be cautious ;)
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1428 [09:41:24] <HGJ> no_gravity: Ok. Do you loose association to
the wifi network, or does the traffic just stop? Have you checked
your routing table?
1429 [09:42:07] <no_gravity> HGJ: How do I check the routing
table?
1430 [09:42:08] <HGJ> lose*
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1432 [09:42:25] <HGJ> no_gravity: route -n
1433 [09:42:35] <no_gravity> HGJ: comes back empty
1434 [09:42:54] <Joost> what gtk theme are you guys using?
hardpressed to find stuff that supports debian stable :P
1435 [09:42:57] <no_gravity> HGJ: I cannot see any wifi networks
after it breaks.
1436 [09:42:58] <Dagger> or `ip r`/`ip -6 r`... I find their
output easier to understand, at least
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1440 [09:44:06] <HGJ> no_gravity: Ok. It's probably a driver
problem then. Which network card (chipset) are you using?
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1450 [09:45:18] <no_gravity> HGJ: I don't know. Does lspci
show me? It says something about Broadcom BCM4352 802.11ac. Maybe
it's thatß
1451 [09:45:21] <no_gravity> HGJ: I don't know. Does lspci
show me? It says something about Broadcom BCM4352 802.11ac. Maybe
it's that?
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1460 [09:46:23] <mark244-x1> Thanks so much. jelly and HGJ. Is
correct the upgrade.
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1462 [09:46:34] <anticensored> youtube.com/watch?v=CYsrV3zGd0c
1463 [09:46:36] <no_gravity> HGJ: Can I somehow restart the driver
so that I get internet back temporarely?
1464 [09:46:39] <anticensored> niko: kiss my ass
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1466 [09:46:55] <anticensored> you said not to paste that link, or
was it no more gnaa shit?
1467 [09:47:06] <mark244-x1> Thansk.
1468 [09:47:13] <anticensored> well either way i identify as a gay
nigger and its discrimination if you dont respect it, niko
1469 [09:47:14] <mark244-x1> Thanks.
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1471 [09:47:42] <pinksandy> If the American people ever realize
what happened, they're done. "You know they did 911."
Alan Zabrosky
1472 [09:48:16] <bazhang> how is that topical pinksandy
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1474 [09:48:42] <anticensored> bazhang: how is your mom topical?
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1476 [09:48:49] <anticensored> is she a gay nigger too?
1477 [09:48:54] <pinksandy> bazhang, It's relevant to
everyone in the free software community.
1478 [09:49:07] <HGJ> no_gravity: You can probably rmmod the
module and then reload it .. but im not sure it will help. Maybe
someone else knows if BCM4352 is properly supported.
1479 [09:49:22] <mark244-x1> [02:46] (mark244-x1) Thanks so much.
jelly and HGJ. Is correct the upgrade.
1480 [09:49:27] <pinksandy> bazhang, They perpetrators have been
identified. The truth is going viral. Their system is coming down.
1481 [09:49:36] <no_gravity> HGJ: How do I figure out the module?
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1484 [09:50:11] <pinksandy> bazhang, I will tell you right now
that no mercy will be shown. They will be treated as mercilessly and
as ruthlessly as they have treated humanity, as they have treated
all life on this planet.
1485 [09:50:14] <anticensored> niko: kiss my ass
1486 [09:50:14] <HGJ> no_gravity: "lsmod | grep bcm" i
guess
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1488 [09:50:18] <anticensored> niko kiss my ass
1489 [09:50:24] <anticensored> niko suck me off
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1491 [09:50:31] <no_gravity> HGJ: I just guessed "rmmod
wl" and "modprobe wl" and in fact it brought back the
wifi.
1492 [09:50:36] <bazhang> thanks
1493 [09:50:48] <pinksandy> "Life is too wonderful and
promising to allow a gang of psychopaths to turn it into a living
Hell."
1494 [09:50:50] <no_gravity> HGJ: It sees the router again. It
cannot connect though.
1495 [09:50:51] <HGJ> no_gravity: Great :)
1496 [09:51:02] <appas> pinksandy: the truth has no effect on
evil. no kindly shush, or take it to #debian-offtopic ♥
1497 [09:51:07] <HGJ> (omg - is there any ops here to kick theese
ppl?)
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1500 [09:51:28] <HGJ> no_gravity: Do you have any modules called
bcm<something> ?
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1502 [09:51:36] <no_gravity> HGJ: How do I check?
1503 [09:51:42] <bazhang> HGJ, staff if ops dont show up
1504 [09:51:46] <HGJ> no_gravity: lsmod
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1507 [09:52:41] <no_gravity> HGJ: Hmm.. there is none that is
called bcm.*
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1510 [09:53:52] <HGJ> no_gravity: Right. It's the
"wl" module.
replaced-url
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1513 [09:55:04] <no_gravity> "Frequent disconnections can be
experienced. This may be resolved by disabling power
management".
1514 [09:55:09] <no_gravity> What is power management?
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1516 [09:55:38] <HGJ> no_gravity: iwconfig wlan0 power off
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1518 [09:55:51] <HGJ> no_gravity: Edit
/etc/laptop-mode/conf.d/wireless-power.conf and set
WIRELESS_BATT_POWER_SAVING=0
1519 [09:56:03] <no_gravity> HGJ: Yeah, I saw that. I mean what
will that turn off? The power management of the wifi module?
1520 [09:56:22] <HGJ> no_gravity: Yes. Wireless power-saving.
1521 [09:56:57] <no_gravity> HGJ: interesting
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##replaced-url
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1548 [10:05:12] <TomyWork> hi
1549 [10:05:19] <bazhang> hi
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1551 [10:05:45] <r0b0> hi, any idea why my wlan interface
wouldn't get assigned static IP address on reboot but when I
manually run ifup wlan0, it works?
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1553 [10:06:17] <r0b0>
replaced-url
1554 [10:06:27] <TomyWork> when packaging software, is there a way
to force a certain config file to be overwritten but nevertheless
leave a ~.dpkg-* file if the user modified it?
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1558 [10:06:59] <TomyWork> kind of like RPM's %config without
the (noreplace)
1559 [10:07:00] <mtcj> I'd check the logs when the network is
brought up and see if it's referencing some config ifup isnt.
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1561 [10:07:51] <r0b0> it used to work in wheezy but I upgraded to
jessie yesterday and it stopped...
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1563 [10:08:54] <HGJ> r0b0: Is the interface even brought up on
boot? - does ifconfig list it?
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1565 [10:09:13] <r0b0> HGJ, yes, it lists it but no IP address
assigned
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1567 [10:10:43] <HGJ> r0b0: Does it get an IP when you run
"/etc/init.d/networking start" ?
1568 [10:11:29] <r0b0> HGJ, no
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1572 [10:12:37] <HGJ> r0b0: "cat
/etc/default/networking" looks ok?
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1574 [10:13:04] <pinksandy> More people than ever before are
waking up to the fact the Nazis were not the demons they were made
out to be. Hmm.
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1578 [10:14:40] <r0b0> HGJ, no active line there - all commented
out
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1580 [10:15:10] <TomyWork> pinksandy troll elsewhere
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1584 [10:16:16] <HGJ> ^
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1589 [10:17:55] <HGJ> r0b0: Ok - i'm out of suggestions.
1590 [10:18:28] <TomyWork> r0b0 did your interface names change
maybe?
1591 [10:18:46] <TomyWork> systemd has its own idea of interface
names
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1593 [10:19:17] <TomyWork> something i only found out when a
friend updated his box from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 :)
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1595 [10:19:34] <r0b0> here is excerpt from syslog:
replaced-url
1596 [10:19:35] <TomyWork>
replaced-url
1597 [10:20:25] <r0b0> TomyWork, no, always been wlan0
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1600 [10:21:24] <TomyWork> r0b0 odd, it shouldn't be. jessie
uses systemd 215
1601 [10:21:54] <TomyWork> maybe it's the other way round and
you're using some other udev that something in jessie
doesn't expect?
1602 [10:22:30] <r0b0> I'm trying to add ath9k_htc to
/etc/modules - maybe the module doesn't get loaded as early as
needed...
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1605 [10:23:06] <HGJ> See lines 18 & 19 in the syslog paste.
Looks like there is some timing issue, where the module is not
loaded before the interface is brought up?
1606 [10:23:34] <r0b0> HGJ, we'll see - it's rebooting
now :)
1607 [10:23:55] <r0b0> yes
1608 [10:24:05] <r0b0> got my IP address!
1609 [10:24:09] <no_gravity> HGJ: That setting for wireless-power
was only for battery mode. It did not help.
1610 [10:24:13] <HGJ> cool :)
1611 [10:24:19] <johnkeates> was the ip 127.0.0.1 ?
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1613 [10:24:21] <HGJ> no_gravity: Ok. Bummer :/
1614 [10:24:31] <r0b0> thanks a lot
1615 [10:24:52] <HGJ> np
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1617 [10:25:27] <appas> are there some triggers to hook to from
xfce(-power-manager?), so that i could script events to take place
when the screen goes to sleep/wakes?
1618 [10:26:07] <r0b0> and, while I'm here - is there a
network manager gui for kde4?
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1638 [10:34:15] <no_gravity> HGJ: Some people say to use the
broadcom driver from here:
replaced-url
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1640 [10:34:22] <no_gravity> HGJ: Can a mere mortal person do
that?
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1645 [10:35:49] <petn-randall> no_gravity: I haven't read the
backlog completely, but have you installed the firmware package for
you wifi device?
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1647 [10:36:05] <no_gravity> petn-randall: If I do that, the wifi
does not work at all.
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1649 [10:36:38] <HGJ> pent-randall: He's using standard wl.
Apparently stops working after a while - I can't help. Have to
work now :)
1650 [10:36:38] <no_gravity> petn-randall: Oh no.. yes, I did.
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1652 [10:36:58] <Rubas> ls
1653 [10:37:27] <Rubas> Sorry :)
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1658 [10:38:22] <no_gravity> petn-randall: There is a page for
Arch that says it "requires broadcom-wlAUR or
broadcom-wl-dkms".
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1660 [10:38:38] <no_gravity> petn-randall: Is that available on
Debian?
1661 [10:38:46] <petn-randall> no_gravity: How old is the
hardware, and which release are you running?
1662 [10:38:56] <petn-randall> (distro release)
1663 [10:39:26] <WormFood> Is there a CLI download accelerator,
like Axel, but one that actually works better. Axel has some design
flaws, that makes it get really slow at the end of a download, and
amazingly slow, if one connection is unusually slow.
1664 [10:39:36] <no_gravity> petn-randall: Running testing.
It's a Dell xps 13 laptop.
1665 [10:39:49] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1666 [10:39:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1667 [10:40:03] <petn-randall> no_gravity: ^^^ let's continue
over there, then.
1668 [10:40:30] <no_gravity> petn-randall: Well, I could also
switch to Debian 8 which I also have on this machine.
1669 [10:40:47] <no_gravity> petn-randall: Does the
"broadcom-wl" thing exist in Debian?
1670 [10:41:57] <no_gravity> petn-randall: They say to download it
from here:
replaced-url
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1672 [10:42:33] <no_gravity> petn-randall: But I find that
confusing because the exact bcm4352 is not on there.
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1676 [10:43:57] <no_gravity> Some people report they
"switched to the broadcom-wl-dkms driver, available from the
AUR" to fix the problem.
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1678 [10:44:00] <no_gravity> I wonder what that means.
1679 [10:44:09] <no_gravity> Should I install Arch to get it?
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1682 [10:45:06] <towo`> no_gravity, no, you install
broadcom-sta-dkms if you want to use wl
1683 [10:45:08] <bazhang> are you one arch?
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1685 [10:45:20] <johnkeates> no i'm johnkeates
1686 [10:45:21] <bazhang> this is #debian support
1687 [10:45:21] <no_gravity> towo`: "apt-get install
broadcom-sta-dkms"?
1688 [10:45:30] <towo`> no_gravity, what else?
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1691 [10:46:08] <no_gravity> towo`: And then reboot and hope for
the best?
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1693 [10:46:37] <no_gravity> towo`: Holy moly, the output of that
apt-get install looks like it installed a new kernel o.O
1694 [10:46:42] <towo`> if you know, wl does support your chipset,
you haven't to hope
1695 [10:46:59] <no_gravity> towo`: I only know that I know
nothing.
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1697 [10:47:46] <no_gravity> I have the vague feeling that install
command killed the machine...
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1699 [10:48:31] <no_gravity> It does not shut down anymore...
1700 [10:48:50] <r0b0> no_gravity, *-dkms packages will build
kernel modules for you.. a bit different to usual packages that
basically only unpack binary files
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1702 [10:49:12] <no_gravity> Should I kill it by holding down the
power button?
1703 [10:49:25] <appas> uhh... there's somethin'
happenin' here: my mouse (touchpad) clicks no longer do
anything. debian jessie/openbox. i can move the cursor around, but
clicking (either with the hard key, or tapping) does not do
anything. any way to restore that functionality?
1704 [10:50:15] <no_gravity> Phew!! The machine still boots.
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1706 [10:50:46] <no_gravity> Wifi still dead though.
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1708 [10:51:07] <appas> xev gives no events... not even for mouse
movement in the test area! despite the obvious cursor moving there!
:o
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1710 [10:52:13] <no_gravity> Maybe I should become a windows user
again.
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1712 [10:52:24] <no_gravity> Haven't booted windows since
Windows 2000.
1713 [10:52:31] <no_gravity> Maybe they made some progess
meanwhile :)
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1715 [10:53:06] <no_gravity> From what I read it is a regression
in a recent kernel.
1716 [10:53:16] <r0b0> no_gravity, yes, they can run bash now
1717 [10:53:25] <no_gravity> Will the gods of kernels and stuff
fix that at some point?
1718 [10:53:38] <no_gravity> Maybe I will just use a WiFi dongle
and hope time will cure it.
1719 [10:53:56] <no_gravity> I have this huge and ugly TP-Link
dongle here that works.
1720 [10:54:02] <no_gravity> It's almost as big as the
laptop.
1721 [10:54:21] <no_gravity> On days like these, I hate my life.
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1725 [10:55:21] <Arone> T G I F ?
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1732 [10:57:12] <tom99> wait no_gravity you're running debian
testing on a laptop??
1733 [10:57:19] <tom99> holy crap you have balls
1734 [10:57:27] <johnkeates> i'm running sid on a laptop
1735 [10:57:32] <johnkeates> i have twice the amount of balls
1736 [10:57:40] <johnkeates> and a laptop that's broken twice
as much
1737 [10:57:59] <nkuttler> of course on a laptop. the desktop is
there for work
1738 [10:58:00] <appas> xinput correctly shows the up/down state
of the hardware button on the touchpad... yet, the UI does not
respond to my clicks :S
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1740 [11:00:41] <r0b0> appas, is this something that happened
right now, or is this permanent? maybe some runaway app
"locked" it somehow
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1743 [11:01:36] <tom99> why would you ever be running sid unless
you're making packages or something for debian?
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1745 [11:01:37] <r0b0> for example remmina thinking I want to have
my cursor locked inside its window
1746 [11:02:46] <appas> r0b0: happened right now, out of the blue,
and fixed itself just last second
1747 [11:02:50] <r0b0> tom99, aaa, it's not that bad... most
of the time it's amazing - you've got all the newest and
best treats
1748 [11:02:51] <nkuttler> tom99: it's fun, you get new
software, you help to find bugs
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1751 [11:03:23] <appas> xev is back to showing these events, so i
think the problem lied somewhere between xinput -> xevent ;o
1752 [11:03:28] <tom99> lol, maybe so
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1755 [11:03:48] <tom99> although with bugs, idk I guess you would
just find a bug and submit it? doesn't sound that fun
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1760 [11:04:13] <tom99> idk do you get to help fix the bug or just
kinda report it?
1761 [11:04:23] <r0b0> tom99, oh, it is.. I one found a prio 1
bug... I remember it for years, so proud I was
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1765 [11:04:49] <appas> tom99: to begin with... then the lingering
bug reports start to gnaw at the back of your brain, like so many
creepy-crawlies... you get the machete... you swing it... maybe you
squash a bug?!
1766 [11:04:50] <r0b0> s/one/once/
1767 [11:05:01] <hellyeah> do you think upgrading stretch now is a
good idea
1768 [11:05:08] <hellyeah> or testing release is still buggy
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1770 [11:05:23] <appas> hellyeah: for answer, read your own nick
1771 [11:05:26] <appas> j/k
1772 [11:05:46] <hellyeah> hahhh
1773 [11:05:48] <hellyeah> hahahahahaha
1774 [11:05:54] <hellyeah> .D
1775 [11:05:57] <appas> i guess the question is the same as
"do you like to live a dangerous and fun life by asking for
trouble?"
1776 [11:06:11] <tom99> appas: What I mean is, is it a learning
opportunity because the devs want to work with you to fix the bug?
Or is it a more passive role of just finding bugs and reporting them
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1781 [11:07:49] <r0b0> tom99, well, it's your bug.. you can
be as active or passive as you want with it
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1783 [11:08:00] <armin> hi. i remember some things one should
remember about the graphical password dialogue windows some programs
will spawn in order to let the user type in their passphrase of
their gpg private key so they can decrypt things. i have problems
using the passwordstore program ("pass") in i3, while in
xfce i get such a graphical popup window to type in (being displayed
after several seconds latency, but that's another
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1785 [11:08:00] <armin> problem). does anyone know what to do to
never let console applications such graphical dialog windows? when
i'm in a terminal i don't want something to spawn
graphical input dialogs. thanks.
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1789 [11:08:50] <tom99> r0b0: I'm talking about the debian
mailing list people.
1790 [11:09:00] <tom99> like, are they more likely to work with
you if you're reporting the bug
1791 [11:09:11] <tom99> or is it like "ok thanks mate you did
good now leave it to the professionals"
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1793 [11:09:12] <r0b0> armin, uninstall ssh-askpass-* packages
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1799 [11:09:53] <armin> r0b0: ah, that was it probably. one of the
most confusing constructs of all times hits me again. thank you.
1800 [11:10:05] <appas> tom99: i suppose they'll adapt to
your level. if you show a willingness and ability to help formulate
a patch, i doubt any dev would be like "nah, kid, we're
the PROS, here"
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1803 [11:10:21] <r0b0> armin, np
1804 [11:11:05] <tom99> lol. well someone linked to an example of
a program on debian that every other distro had upgraded it to 1.3.4
and debian was 1.3.3
1805 [11:11:06] <armin> r0b0: oh, actually, i don't have any
of these installed.
1806 [11:11:22] <tom99> and the dev on the mailing list was like
"ah it's not a big deal, not a big priority, I don't
trust you to work with me to fix it, blah blah"
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1810 [11:11:39] <armin> r0b0:
replaced-url
1811 [11:11:47] <r0b0> armin, oh, so I suppose that you want your
thank you back
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1813 [11:12:19] <tom99> i just wondered if anybody using sid had
some experience with that
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1815 [11:12:24] <armin> r0b0: oh absolutely not. you gave me a
very valuable pointer and some information that might help me in the
long run.
1816 [11:12:29] <tom99> because evidently if you're a lowly
pleb they won't take much interest
1817 [11:12:41] <r0b0> armin, then - which app is the owner of the
password window that you receive?
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1819 [11:12:52] <armin> r0b0: i tried to reproduce it but
something is caching...
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1824 [11:14:09] <r0b0> tom99, well, in the worst case they will
ignore you.. i suppose you can live with that
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1827 [11:14:58] <Skyrider> What is the cmd to make a test install
to view what version, etc is going to be installed?
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1831 [11:16:30] <Skyrider> Got it ^^, shame.. out-dated.
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1837 [11:17:42] <kwll> Hello world
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1839 [11:17:55] <kwll> Am I on support
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1843 [11:19:15] <Skyrider> Guess a general channel :p
1844 [11:19:16] <Skyrider> but do ask.
1845 [11:19:21] <no_gravity> Ok guys, wanna know what the problem
with my WiFi was?
1846 [11:19:43] <kwll> If there is a support is it another channel
1847 [11:19:52] <kwll> I require support about audio
1848 [11:20:01] <kwll> that unholy problem
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1851 [11:20:15] <Skyrider> Its a general debian channel, that
includes 'support' ^^
1852 [11:20:33] <kwll> Okay
1853 [11:20:37] <kwll> I like linux
1854 [11:20:37] <r0b0> no_gravity, something entertaining?
1855 [11:20:43] <rafalcpp> can someone confirm a bug in socat for
me?
1856 [11:20:45] <kwll> but this audio...driving me nuts
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1858 [11:20:50] <rafalcpp> socat -u
TCP6-LISTEN:9876,reuseaddr,range=[fd42:f6b0:488a:6f95:bcf6:310f:556b:c1680/64]
OPEN:filexxxxxxxxxxxxxx.data,creat
1859 [11:20:53] <Skyrider> Ask and see if someone replies.
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1862 [11:20:59] <kwll> build lamp easy....but audoi....I cry
1863 [11:21:05] <rafalcpp> this command seems to hang (as in,
ctrl-c not working). on stable
1864 [11:21:09] <no_gravity> r0b0: Only if you watched me
installing new drivers, new kernels and all that shit.
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1871 [11:24:21] <r0b0> kwll, do you have something specific to
ask? do you get no sound at all?
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1873 [11:25:07] <kwll> I have sound in head phones
1874 [11:25:22] <kwll> sound card built in the motherboard not
responding propely
1875 [11:25:47] <kwll> headphones and internal speakers are run
from the same card
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1894 [11:33:12] <kwll> do i need a driver?
1895 [11:33:28] <kwll> test
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1897 [11:33:43] <kwll> do I need a driver?
1898 [11:33:57] <kwll> test
1899 [11:34:05] <bazhang> ,v pavucontrol
1900 [11:34:05] <kwll> okay chat is stopping whis
1901 [11:34:06] <judd> Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2
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1905 [11:34:48] <kwll> running jessie
1906 [11:35:07] <kwll> pavcontrol works
1907 [11:35:15] <kwll> i see the levels to the speakers
1908 [11:35:19] <kwll> but there is no sound
1909 [11:35:33] <r0b0> kwll, I think you just need to fiddle with
a mixer application a select the output that works..
1910 [11:36:03] <kwll> this is my attempt
1911 [11:36:06] <kwll> 7th
1912 [11:36:21] <Rephlexie> you try un-muting in alsa-util?
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1916 [11:37:29] <abhigenie92> hi
1917 [11:37:40] <abhigenie92> I was trying to install gnome on
debian 8.5
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1920 [11:40:06] <kwll> I havent
1921 [11:40:21] <kwll> is there a quick command to do so
1922 [11:40:27] <kwll> I have my root term up
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1924 [11:41:40] <Rephlexie> kwll, the util is cli and lets you
tinker with all the channels, the mutes usually fix it for me after
a fresh install
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1929 [11:42:35] <kwll> which cli do i use
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1931 [11:42:48] <kwll> I tried pav and pulseaudio
1932 [11:42:56] <bazhang> which one do you have open kwll
1933 [11:43:07] <kwll> currently pulse
1934 [11:43:18] <kwll> getting connteciton denied
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1936 [11:43:28] <vvande> try the sound card directly
1937 [11:43:34] <vvande> and make sure pcm is up
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1939 [11:43:40] <moetunes> try alsamixer
1940 [11:43:48] <vvande> yes, on alsamixer
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1942 [11:44:28] <kwll> sorry
1943 [11:44:30] <kwll> was disc
1944 [11:44:42] <vvande> F6 select sound card
1945 [11:44:53] <Rephlexie> ^
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1947 [11:45:38] <kwll> maybe I am growing frustrated
1948 [11:45:46] <kwll> lamp was easier then this
1949 [11:45:50] <kwll> with wordpress installed
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1952 [11:46:10] <kwll> far easier than this
1953 [11:46:12] <bazhang> it's a server?
1954 [11:46:16] <kwll> yes
1955 [11:46:23] <appas> kwll: do you have headphones physically
connected (since you said that they work)? some cards have mutually
exclusive headphone/speakers, try disconnecting them if you
haven't already
1956 [11:46:28] <bazhang> why would you need audio then
1957 [11:46:37] <kwll> appas^ I have tried that
1958 [11:46:45] <appas> bazhang: for the "You have HTTP
requests!" audio, of course ;D
1959 [11:47:08] <kwll> Its sandbox server
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1961 [11:47:27] <kwll> more for play and to learn
1962 [11:47:33] <kwll> vs being live
1963 [11:47:50] <bazhang> so its in a vm
1964 [11:48:02] <kwll> no its debian server
1965 [11:48:04] <kwll> problem is
1966 [11:48:11] <kwll> all linux distros have the same issue
1967 [11:48:20] <bazhang> what is sandbox server then
1968 [11:48:22] <kwll> I can use headphones but no speaker
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1971 [11:48:52] <kwll> sandbox server is a server with full
database but I do not allow outside connections
1972 [11:48:58] <Rephlexie> kwll, what MB is it?
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1974 [11:49:33] <kwll> right now we are running Current Jessie
with Lamp
1975 [11:49:45] <kwll> wordpress floating on that
1976 [11:49:54] <appas> maybe MB = MotherBoard, though...
1977 [11:49:59] <kwll> ah
1978 [11:50:02] <kwll> give me sec
1979 [11:50:04] <kwll> custum board
1980 [11:50:27] <vvande> hmm I'm using Debian to run my sound
- worked out of the box
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1982 [11:51:00] <kwll> xps
1983 [11:51:05] <kwll> is the best he gave me
1984 [11:51:09] <vvande> custom board? .... you soldered it?
1985 [11:51:12] <kwll> not my comp just tryin to run it
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1988 [11:51:42] <appas> vvande: brings back the times when there
were "make your own ISA sound card!" articles in the
microcomputer magazine...
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1991 [11:52:23] <vvande> I was there, but didn't do that
though lol
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1993 [11:52:48] <appas> me neither; i stopped half-way even with
the printer port IR receiver :/
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1995 [11:53:00] <vvande> I'm still wondering what a custum
board refers to.
1996 [11:53:47] <vvande> My feeling is that kwll has gotten a
little mixed up - what with the long time working on it and all ...
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1998 [11:54:33] <kwll> lol
1999 [11:54:36] <kwll> ok
2000 [11:54:42] <kwll> on a xps dell
2001 [11:54:46] <kwll> touch screen
2002 [11:54:54] <vvande> what!
2003 [11:55:09] <vvande> you mean you can't type
"alsamixer" in a terminal?
2004 [11:55:18] <kwll> :)
2005 [11:55:21] <kwll> give me a sec
2006 [11:55:32] <vvande> k
2007 [11:55:46] <kwll> connection refused
2008 [11:55:49] <kwll> give me a sev
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2010 [11:56:35] <kwll> what the hell
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2012 [11:56:51] <kwll> in root term
2013 [11:56:57] <kwll> still have to run sudo to run alasmixer
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2015 [11:57:39] <vvande> you shouldn't have to
2016 [11:57:46] <kwll> alasmixer is running
2017 [11:57:51] <kwll> I had to
2018 [11:57:52] <vvande> w00t!
2019 [11:57:58] <Rephlexie> turn up pcm vol and umute stuff
2020 [11:57:58] <kwll> def in root
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2027 [11:59:52] <ChrisH> ,v android-tools-adb
2028 [11:59:53] <judd> Package: android-tools-adb on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie:
4.2.2+git20130529-5.1; sid: 5.1.1.r29-2
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2036 [12:01:46] <vvande> gottagotobed
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2038 [12:02:09] <vvande> kwll: hope you get it working, the other
guys here obviously have a grip on this, so Im sure you will. :)
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2041 [12:04:25] <kwll> WIN!!!!!!
2042 [12:04:36] <kwll> thank you
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2044 [12:04:59] <Rephlexie> awesome!
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2160 [13:15:15] <konrados> Morning :)
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2162 [13:15:54] <konrados> There is a bug in older versions of
Apache2 (
replaced-url
2163 [13:15:55] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2225 [13:25:49] <petn-randall> konrados: You'll have to ask
in #ubuntu, we are not in control what happens in that distro.
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2230 [13:27:11] <konrados> petn-randall oh, ppl on #kubuntu have
just directed me here:) Thanks, I will try on #ubuntu...
2231 [13:27:49] <petn-randall> konrados: Why would they direct you
here? You don't run Debian.
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2237 [13:30:23] <konrados> But isn't Ubuntu based on Debian?
I thought that yes, if it comes to GUI software I must ask on
kubuntu/ubuntu, but I thought that about non-gui apps they're
right, #debian is the right choice, well actually they suggested
#ubuntu but when I asked about debian I saw something like
"yes, maybe" :)
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2239 [13:31:02] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
2240 [13:31:02] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2246 [13:32:03] <petn-randall> konrados: ^^^ Ubuntu pulls
snapshots from Debian testing/sid, so by the time they release,
those package versions likely don't exist in Debian anymore.
They also change a lot of other stuff. So no, it's not very
similar to Debian. :)
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2248 [13:32:28] <dionysus69> kind of emergency, gnome stoped
recognizing any of my two screens, its a laptop. I cannot use
project shorcut and I cannot increase decrease brightness
consequently. any ideas what might be wrong?
2249 [13:32:44] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Which release?
2250 [13:32:54] <konrados> petn-randall I got it thanks again for
you time.
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2252 [13:33:30] <dionysus69> petn-randall: testing but please dont
redicrect me to debian-next I know it exists
2253 [13:33:49] <petn-randall> konrados: No problem, have a good
one.
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2255 [13:34:08] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Then you should know by
now that it's the right place to ask?
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2257 [13:34:22] <no_gravity> Is there a way to get rid of an sshfs
mount when the server died?
2258 [13:34:27] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Grr ... you should also
know not to crosspost, too.
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2260 [13:35:35] <dionysus69> well... I had to crosspost at this
point
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2268 [13:38:03] <julius_> hi
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2270 [13:39:00] <julius_> is there a quick way to make pictures
from my phone shrink in size(megabye)? a imagemagick resizing script
that resizes to 50% of the current pixel, while keeping aspect ratio
would be nice. for multiple pictures at once of course
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2273 [13:39:16] <petn-randall> dionysus69: No you didn't, you
crossposted within the same minute.
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2275 [13:39:59] <dionysus69> only after you asked me the
distribution branch
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2321 [14:02:48] <netzach> Hello
2322 [14:03:12] <netzach> I have a script in /etc/update-motd.d/
that respects all the requires, (no extension for run-arts),
executable etc
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2324 [14:03:31] <netzach> when I run it it works properly, yet it
seems to never be called
2325 [14:03:33] <netzach> what am I doing wrong?
2326 [14:03:39] <netzach> are there any logs related to shi?
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2335 [14:05:16] <iflema> netzach: logout and back in?
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2337 [14:06:00] <appas> julius_: do bash magic + imagemagick;
something like: for s in `ls *.jpg` do [imagemagick resize $s]
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2339 [14:06:08] <abrotman> !motd
2340 [14:06:08] <dpkg> The "Message Of The Day" (MOTD)
may be shown to users at login time. In Debian 8 "Jessie",
motd is entirely under the control of the administrator; edit
/etc/motd as desired. For login(1), pam will prepend uname;
customise that in /etc/pam.d/login. For ssh, /run/motd.dynamic is
used with sysvinit and nothing is used with systemd; customise that
in /etc/init.d/motd. See "man 5 motd"
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2344 [14:07:26] <julius_> appas, yes...did that: for image in
~/20160909_133*; do convert -resize 50% $image ${image}_half.jpg;
done works for my case
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2346 [14:07:35] <julius_> still, a right click entry for gnome
would be nice
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2348 [14:07:44] <iflema> login shell?
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2353 [14:09:19] <julius_> iflema, when you login to a
terminal....not gnome or kde
2354 [14:09:50] <iflema> see man issue also
2355 [14:09:50] <julius_> press ctrl+alt+f1 to see a
terminal....press alt+f7 or alt+f8 to get back to us
2356 [14:10:22] <iflema> wat
2357 [14:10:24] <iflema> =)
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2478 [15:08:16] <netzach> doesn't work @ if
2479 [15:08:20] <netzach> doesn't work @ ifleame
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2481 [15:08:59] <netzach> abrotman: that information is not
entirely correct, debian comes with a moded pam_motd.so that updates
the etc/motd from /etc/update-motd.d/ scripts
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2503 [15:16:56] <abrotman> moded?
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2506 [15:18:04] <petn-randall> modded? As in patched?
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2508 [15:18:15] <netzach> yes, that is not the standard one
2509 [15:18:18] <jelly> hacked!
2510 [15:18:25] <netzach> it says so in the wiki, and it came
customized with my vps provider
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2512 [15:18:29] <netzach> I just changed it and broke it
2513 [15:18:49] <netzach> also stackoverflow says there are bugs
related to inconsistencies between the motd systems
2514 [15:19:04] <jelly> netzach: does your provider provide you
with sources for their changes to the default debian install?
2515 [15:19:32] <abrotman> modded, not moded :)
2516 [15:19:36] <netzach> jelly: it's not my provider, I am
talking about standard changes
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2518 [15:20:31] <netzach>
replaced-url
2519 [15:20:37] <netzach> A little less known thing about
/etc/motd in Debian and Ubuntu is that pam will actually update your
/etc/motd based simply on the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d. So to
replicate the above scripts, you could do:
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2522 [15:21:49] <jelly> changing the contents of a root owned file
from a pam module before dropping privs seems... an interesting
design choice
2523 [15:21:56] <netzach> also this
replaced-url
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2527 [15:23:10] <jelly> and only a tangential mention in
pam_motd(8)
2528 [15:23:18] <netzach> does /var/run/motd exists or should I
create it ?
2529 [15:23:49] <jelly> netzach: /var/run ought to exist
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2531 [15:23:56] <netzach> I mean /var/run/motd
2532 [15:24:21] <netzach> it used to work jelly , but I wanted to
customize the scripts cause I didn't like my vps profider
defaly logo and stuff so I made my own, then I realized I must have
broken something
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2534 [15:24:29] <jelly> apparently the module is supposed to
update it (and presumably create it)
2535 [15:24:30] <netzach> I must havae deleted a file or something
not sure
2536 [15:24:44] <netzach> I did the ln -s /var/run/motd /etc/motd
as recommended
2537 [15:24:49] <netzach> IDK why this is needed tho
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2545 [15:26:56] <Agiofws> hello
2546 [15:27:01] <netzach> This
replaced-url
2547 [15:27:04] <netzach> I don't even know anymore
2548 [15:27:14] <jelly> I already have a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13
Mar 9 2006 /etc/motd -> /var/run/motd
2549 [15:27:24] <jelly> apaprently it's been there for a
whiel
2550 [15:27:46] <netzach> I am reading this
replaced-url
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2552 [15:28:00] <netzach> jelly: how can I tell if a file is a
link to another?
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2555 [15:28:02] <Agiofws> whats the bots name to start a PM
session with
2556 [15:28:06] <Agiofws> dpkg
2557 [15:28:09] <Agiofws> ?
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2559 [15:28:27] <petn-randall> Agiofws: There are severals bots,
what do you want to do?
2560 [15:28:31] <petn-randall> !bot
2561 [15:28:31] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a
finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot
(that you should not abuse).
2562 [15:28:51] <netzach> /etc/motd: broken symbolic link to
/var/run/motd @ jelly
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2564 [15:29:00] <netzach> do I need to creat /etd/motd @ jelly ?
thank you
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2597 [15:44:03] <Agiofws> what kernel do you think i should use
for
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2613 [15:48:22] <xrogaan> hello, I'm trying to compile the
proper drivers for my portable (Fujitsu Esprimo). The card is `[SiS]
771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter'.
2614 [15:48:31] <xrogaan> Apparently, I need this one
replaced-url
2615 [15:48:51] <xrogaan> And sadly, I went to stretch before
trying this solution.
2616 [15:49:29] <xrogaan> strech xserver-xorg-dev package do not
have the vidmodeproc.h header required
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2618 [15:51:14] <xrogaan> I got myself into an impasse it seems.
2619 [15:51:57] <missmbob> ask the testing folks
2620 [15:52:00] <missmbob> !debian-next
2621 [15:52:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2622 [15:52:30] <xrogaan> ah, thanks
2623 [15:52:37] <xrogaan> oftc it is then :)
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2626 [15:55:54] <petn-randall> Agiofws: Is there anything that
doesn't work right now and might work with a newer kernel?
Otherwise I'd just stick with the stock one.
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2660 [16:08:28] <_rubik> Hey guys. Is can I cover a Sun JDK6
dependency with openjdk6?
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2667 [16:10:20] <appas> _rubik: not necessarily, no :(
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2675 [16:13:57] <Agiofws> petn-randall, can i convert to stretch
just by editing the repos
2676 [16:14:25] <missmbob> Agiofws: sure. ask the testing people
how
2677 [16:14:28] <missmbob> !debian-next
2678 [16:14:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2682 [16:15:52] <klutt> Hi. I'm trying to install Mysql
Workbench v 6.3.7, but with no luck. Anyone who has a solution? The
latest available version in stretch is 6.3.4, and the same goes for
unstable and experimental. I tried downloading the apt-file from
Oracle, but with no luck. I have also tried compiling it, but it did
not work.
2683 [16:16:12] <missmbob> klutt: see the debian next note the bot
just pasted
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2685 [16:16:48] <klutt> Ups, sorry. I tried to join the
debian-next, but I must have made something wrong.
2686 [16:17:00] <missmbob> klutt: read the entire thing. it's
not on freenode. it's on OFTC
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2688 [16:17:13] <klutt> Ah :)
2689 [16:17:29] <klutt> Sorry
2690 [16:17:29] <Agiofws> missmbob, is there any kind of support
for people that install there own compiled kernel from kernel.org
and what debian release would be appropriate for that?
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2692 [16:17:58] <missmbob> Agiofws: sure. as long as you follow
the handbook. and whichever debian release you're running is
where you should ask
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2694 [16:18:12] <_rubik> appas: Gahh this is killing me. Where
exactly should I get Sun JDK 6 from. I'm really stuck.
2695 [16:18:14] <Agiofws> missmbob, debians hand book?
2696 [16:18:21] <missmbob> Agiofws: here.
replaced-url
2697 [16:18:23] <Agiofws> or linus's?
2698 [16:18:29] <missmbob> Agiofws: debian's
2699 [16:18:45] <Agiofws> missmbob, not ready binaries though
2700 [16:18:53] <Agiofws> make config etc...
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2702 [16:19:04] <missmbob> Agiofws: yeah, that's what the
handbook walks you through
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2704 [16:19:09] <missmbob> Agiofws: just read it
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2706 [16:20:39] <Agiofws> thank you
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2708 [16:21:15] <Agiofws> maybe i should of tried that out
concerning the problem with my hosts onbiard sound card
2709 [16:21:20] <bjw_> anyone using kpatch?
2710 [16:21:26] <bjw_> or used kpatch
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2712 [16:21:52] <Agiofws> tried compiling alsa from source got an
error and stopped there
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2714 [16:22:19] <somiaj> Agiofws: have you tried the kernel from
jessie-backports. For the most part you shoudln't have to
compile your own kernel or alsa to get a sound card working.
2715 [16:22:29] <missmbob> somiaj: yes. this has been days in the
making
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2719 [16:23:42] <Agiofws> yeah i did that even tried to backport
libasound2 but it was too depending on other packages that were
supposed to be backported untill tar was also supposed to be
backported and them i stopped
2720 [16:23:47] <bjw_> aboman: what about you?
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2725 [16:24:47] <Agiofws> somehow i still believe i should have
compiled latest alsa or atleast if i could have againt the bdo
kernel 4.16 or 6 i dont remember
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2728 [16:25:38] <somiaj> Agiofws: what sound card chipset do you
have?
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2731 [16:26:02] <bjw_> ok, maybe later someone will know
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2736 [16:27:35] <Agiofws> h110 mobo very new
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2740 [16:28:07] <petn-randall> Agiofws: There's no reason to
switch to stretch unless you 1) know enough about Debian to be able
to fix your problems 2) want to actively beta test the upcoming
release and report bugs.
2741 [16:28:19] <Agiofws> somiaj,
replaced-url
2742 [16:28:34] <petn-randall> Agiofws: If you just want a newer
kernel you can simply grab one from jessie-backports.
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2744 [16:28:37] <somiaj> Agiofws: that isn't the chipset of
the sound card.
2745 [16:28:49] <missmbob> petn-randall: he has
2746 [16:28:52] <Agiofws> but would be woth a try or a live cd to
see if the sound card would be ok ...
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2749 [16:29:19] <Agiofws> acl887 skylake chipset ?
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2752 [16:30:37] <Agiofws> alc887 realtek
2753 [16:31:23] <dionysus69> in gnome details, graphics is not
showing totally. I reinstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel package but
still nothing
2754 [16:31:45] <calher> Does anybody have any info on getting the
Steam controller working on Jessie?
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2764 [16:33:29] <Agiofws> gnome details ?
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2767 [16:34:29] <Agiofws> whats your kernel or are you on
backports non-free?
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2769 [16:34:41] <pthreat> what is the package name for C standar
library documentation i.e man strlen
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2791 [16:39:55] <hanshenrik_> is there something in debian to
scedule tasks to be run at a later time? eg, i want something to be
executed once, in 30 minutes?
2792 [16:40:06] <somiaj> cron
2793 [16:40:13] <somiaj> oh you just want it run once, not
repeating?
2794 [16:40:14] <hanshenrik_> can i tell cron to just do something
once?
2795 [16:40:16] <hanshenrik_> yeah
2796 [16:40:25] <somiaj> there is a program that runs things just
once, but I can't seem to recall its name.
2797 [16:40:47] <somiaj> look at 'at', that might be it
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2800 [16:41:50] <hanshenrik_> sure you're not thinking of the
microsoft windows program 'at', which does exactly that?
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2802 [16:42:02] <somiaj> hanshenrik_: man at, it is in linux too
2803 [16:42:11] <hanshenrik_> oh cool, thanks. i wonder which came
first
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2837 [16:58:43] <implijer> hey
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2839 [16:59:02] <implijer> from bash, how can I check if
/var/lib/dpkg/lock is actually locked or not ?
2840 [16:59:08] <implijer> The file seem always to be there
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2843 [17:01:02] <rany> implijer: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
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2845 [17:01:08] <rany> implijer: sudo rm
/var/cache/apt/archives/lock
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2847 [17:01:30] <rany> implijer: oh dpkg
2848 [17:01:40] <rany> implijer: let me test it on my vm again :)
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2852 [17:02:29] <rany> implijer: that worked for me:
2853 [17:02:30] <rany> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
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2855 [17:02:32] <implijer> I want to check if it is active rany,
not obliterate
2856 [17:02:32] <rany> :)
2857 [17:03:01] <implijer> I know you can delete it to force the
lock
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2866 [17:03:58] <rany> implijer: hmm, i dont know
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2868 [17:04:20] <rany> implijer: ill try to playing w/ the if
statement a bit :)
2869 [17:04:24] <rany> play*
2870 [17:04:48] <rany> implijer: found a way!
2871 [17:04:59] <rany> implijer: do you want me to PM it to you?
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2875 [17:05:28] <implijer> you are allowed to rany
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2877 [17:06:44] <rany> implijer:
rany.pw/check_if_dpkg_is_locked.sh
2878 [17:07:15] <rany> implijer: one moment
2879 [17:07:28] <implijer> ... You can just explain, too
2880 [17:07:42] <implijer> I just found a solution implying one
line of lsof, guess it'll do
2881 [17:08:34] <rany> implijer: that is what i was thinking :)
2882 [17:08:34] <implijer> "lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
then check the exit status
2883 [17:08:56] <rany> implijer: i wanted to use if but then
realised lsof is faster :)
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2908 [17:17:45] <Silent> Hello :)
2909 [17:18:12] <Silent> I have just installed Debian on my HP
ProBook 4540s, and am looking for ways to save battery power. What
are some things for me to try?
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2917 [17:19:58] <Penix> Silent: powertop
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2929 [17:23:52] <Silent> Penix: Thanks. How much can it usually
improve battery performance?
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2958 [17:31:08] <BuildTheRobots> good afternoon. Could anyone
advise on how to disable the root password prompt when doing a
diskcheck on boot? It's a box that doesn't easily have a
monitor attached and I'd rather it just got back to a login
prompt without interaction when things went vaguely wrong :)
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2994 [17:43:38] <PadawanLearner> May the source be with you
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3008 [17:52:06] <Silent> Hello everyone
3009 [17:52:34] <Silent> I am trying to configure the ATI
proprietary drivers and I just ran "aticonfig --initial",
however my ATI GPU is not detected still
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3014 [17:54:35] <jim> Silent, lspci -nn | grep -i vga
3015 [17:54:43] <jim> Silent, any output?
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3020 [17:55:24] <Silent_> Hello
3021 [17:55:33] <Silent_> One second, I will also post the guides
I was following
3022 [17:55:43] <Silent_>
replaced-url
3023 [17:56:18] <Silent_> jim: Both GPUs are shown using lspci
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3025 [17:56:43] <Silent_> Both as in Intel i915 and the ATI GPU
3026 [17:56:44] <jim> ok, so there is output from that command?
two lines?
3027 [17:57:02] <towo`> that's enduro
3028 [17:57:19] <towo`> so you woin't need the propritary
driver
3029 [17:57:27] <towo`> and it will not work
3030 [17:57:57] <towo`> it's equal to optimus, the amd gpu is
not connected to any display
3031 [17:58:04] <jim> Silent_, are you focused on this
conversation?
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3033 [17:58:20] <towo`> you can use dri offloading to use the amd
gpu for rendering stuff
3034 [17:58:24] <Silent_> jim:
replaced-url
3035 [17:58:51] <Silent_> jim: I am, I was just copying the output
to pastebin. Sorry
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3037 [17:59:08] <jim> np
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3040 [17:59:24] <jim> still need coffee, but before that...
3041 [17:59:31] <Silent_> twisted`: Are you referring to the
methon described here:
replaced-url
3042 [17:59:32] <jim> , pciid [1002:6841]
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3045 [17:59:33] <judd> [1002:6841] is 'Thames [Radeon HD
7550M/7570M/7650M]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel',
'radeon' in jessie. See also
replaced-url
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3049 [18:00:25] <Silent_> Output of xranrd --listproviders:
replaced-url
3050 [18:00:26] <jim> so udd thinks radeon
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3055 [18:00:58] <jim> did you happen to try radeon? or which
driver?
3056 [18:02:02] <Silent_> I used the package fglrx-driver
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3061 [18:03:36] <jim> did it build and install a package?
3062 [18:03:49] <Silent_> It did
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3068 [18:04:55] <DammitJim> is it safe to delete /var/apt/cache
files?
3069 [18:05:10] <DammitJim> /var/cache/apt/archives, sorry
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3071 [18:05:22] <jim> DammitJim, just apt-get clean
3072 [18:05:24] <jelly> DammitJim: there's even a command for
that: apt-get clean
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3074 [18:05:39] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Yeah, do the clean command
instead of manually deleting.
3075 [18:05:43] <DammitJim> oh wow
3076 [18:06:05] <jhutchins> DammitJim: I'm not sure it
actually makes any differerce, but keep the robots happy.
3077 [18:06:13] <DammitJim> thanks guys
3078 [18:06:15] <random_numbers> So, what should I do to get wget
to download images when the code for the image is something along
the lines <meta property="og:image" content="replaced-url
3079 [18:06:22] <DammitJim> easy and simple... my root partition
was starting to get a little full
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3081 [18:07:02] <jhutchins> DammitJim: See, you had to go and
partition it, now you have space on the wrong partition.
3082 [18:07:03] <jim> welcome... it keeps a coupla dirs or
somethign in that dir, which you might have otherwise removed
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3090 [18:09:07] <Silent_> I wonder if this whole deal is even
worth the trouble
3091 [18:09:26] <Silent_> powertop doesn't work with the
currently isntalled ati drivers so I want to get the proprietary
ones
3092 [18:09:42] <Silent_> All because I want more than 60 minutes
battery life
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3095 [18:11:04] <towo`> then deactivate the amd gpu in your bios
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3098 [18:11:30] <Silent> Hmm I did not think of that
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3113 [18:14:47] <Silent> I don't see an option
3114 [18:15:01] <Silent> Anyway I would much rather just make it
work as it sould than disable it
3115 [18:15:21] <towo`> make it work as it should ==> install
windows
3116 [18:15:49] <towo`> or read the debian wiki about hybrid
graphics intel <==> ati
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3120 [18:16:44] <Silent> towo`: I came here to troubleshoot issues
with the second method :)
3121 [18:17:08] <towo`> the second method does not say, install
fglrx
3122 [18:17:19] <towo`> because it would not work
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3124 [18:17:22] <Silent__> I read the wiki article..
3125 [18:17:38] <towo`> Silent__, no, you read the article about
install the amd blob
3126 [18:17:47] <Silent__>
replaced-url
3127 [18:17:51] <Silent__> This too
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3129 [18:18:02] <towo`> but this article is for systems, which
have only 1 gpu
3130 [18:18:03] <Silent__> I got the two mxied together, I thought
the other was part of this one
3131 [18:18:25] <iwkse> hi, I have a problem with a netbook,
samsung n150. I'm using it with keyboard/mouse usb and I have a
very annoying behaviour. The power goes off after a few secs. For
the mouse, I have to click to see the mouse led switching on again.
I checked the power/level of the device and it's set to auto. I
force it to be on (so it's skipped) and it seems to work for a
bit, but again this value is changed back to auto. Any hint?
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3133 [18:18:33] <Silent__> There is also a section about hybrid
graphics
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3135 [18:18:40] <towo`> and again, if you can't disable the
intel gpu, you can't use fglrx
3136 [18:19:04] <iwkse> by the way, this behavior is the same, if
I run with battery or AC cable
3137 [18:19:08] <random_numbers> No idea about wget?
3138 [18:19:34] <towo`> random_numbers, wget
replaced-url
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3145 [18:22:55] <random_numbers> towo`: Yeah, but I want it to
work with `wget -kcr -np -p
replaced-url
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3153 [18:23:49] <iwkse_> hi, I have a problem with a netbook,
samsung n150. I'm using it with keyboard/mouse usb and I have a
very annoying behaviour. The power goes off after a few secs. For
the mouse, I have to click to see the mouse led switching on again.
I checked the power/level of the device andhi, I have a problem with
a netbook, samsung n150. I'm using it with keyboard/mouse usb
and I have a very annoying behaviour. The power goes off af
3154 [18:23:49] <iwkse_> ter a few secs. For the mouse, I have to
click to see the mouse led switching on again. I checked the
power/level of the device and it's set to auto. I force it to
be on (so it's skipped) and it seems to work for a bit, but
again this value is changed back to auto. Any hint? it's set to
auto. I force it to be on (so it's skipped) and it seems to
work for a bit, but again this value is changed back to auto. Any
hint?
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3156 [18:24:07] <random_numbers> ?
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3181 [18:33:21] <speciality> how can i mount your /dev/shm to a
dir that I want to set as chroot dir?
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3189 [18:36:44] <jhutchins> iwkse: My system was doing that for a
while. I ended up switching ports, I think the USB controller had
gone bad.
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3201 [18:39:16] <iwkse> jhutchins, I see
3202 [18:39:29] <iwkse> jhutchins, so probably it's a
hardware issue
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3211 [18:40:32] <iwkse> jhutchins, I have it on all ports though
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3216 [18:42:17] <queso> When the next stable version of Debian is
released, will Jessie come under the "LTS" label as
Squeeze and Wheezy have?
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3218 [18:42:38] <jelly> speciality: don't do that, mount a
whole new tmpfs or ramfs instead
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3222 [18:43:35] <jelly> speciality: man 8 mount, and read about
tmpfs
3223 [18:44:15] <jelly> queso: yes, there are plans for jessie lts
one year after stretch is released
3224 [18:44:17] <speciality> ok
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3229 [18:44:59] <queso> jelly: Thank you. :)
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3233 [18:46:16] <jhutchins> iwkse: Which release, which kernel?
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3239 [18:47:36] <Agiofws> hello
3240 [18:48:17] <iwkse> jhutchins, I've tried with 3.2 and
4.7, same
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3245 [18:48:35] <iwkse> jhutchins, release is mainly sid
3246 [18:48:55] <jhutchins> iwkse: I'm currently running
kernel 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 and don't have that problem, but I
have six controllers on my motherboard.
3247 [18:49:09] <iwkse> jhutchins, I will try this one
3248 [18:49:23] <iwkse> jhutchins, it's available on ports?
3249 [18:49:45] <jhutchins> iwkse: Available?
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3251 [18:50:04] <iwkse> jhutchins, I see bpo, I guess it's a
package from backports
3252 [18:50:18] <jhutchins> ,kernels
3253 [18:50:19] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686
(4.7.2-1+s1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports:
4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
3254 [18:50:35] <jhutchins> Not even the current one, apparently.
3255 [18:50:40] <iwkse> mm
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3257 [18:51:34] <jhutchins> I need to rebuild this to 64b.
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3263 [18:53:30] <iwkse> jhutchins, but with the current kernel,
you have some issues with some ports?
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3268 [18:55:18] <jhutchins> iwkse: I don't know. I juggled
ports until it worked, haven't gone back and tested them all.
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3271 [18:56:02] <iwkse> jhutchins, I see
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3276 [18:57:27] <jhutchins> iwkse: Strange that it was exactly the
same behavior though.
3277 [18:57:43] <jhutchins> iwkse: This was six months ago or so.
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3281 [18:58:16] <iwkse> jhutchins, mm yes
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3342 [19:23:05] <speciality> jelly, How about /dev/shm/temp to
/home/USER/jail/temp
3343 [19:23:06] <speciality> ?
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3354 [19:26:33] <AlexPortable> If I add an @reboot htop to crontab
-e, and then change /bin/bash into /bin/nologin in passwd, will it
still work?
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3357 [19:27:43] <greycat> crontab doesn't care about the
user's shell AFAIK
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3360 [19:27:53] <AlexPortable> okay
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3366 [19:30:31] <jelly> speciality: why would you need that?
3367 [19:30:39] <AlexPortable> anyone can confirm?
3368 [19:30:40] <jelly> !goal
3369 [19:30:40] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
3370 [19:31:01] <greycat> AlexPortable: 'twould be faster for
you to just test it
3371 [19:31:07] <AlexPortable> dont have a test server here
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3373 [19:31:52] <jelly> speciality: /dev/shm is not a place to put
temporary files, it has a specific purpose to serve as a backend for
Linux implementation of System V compatible shared memory APIs
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3376 [19:32:29] <x86iac> i think crontab does care about the shell
- it has caused problems when running scripts without it
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3379 [19:33:05] <x86iac> and include the PATH too
3380 [19:33:18] <greycat> crontab(5) describes how SHELL and PATH
are used
3381 [19:33:19] <AlexPortable> okay
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3383 [19:33:45] <jelly> x86iac: it won't even invoke the
user's shell unless it detects the job specification contains
shell special characters
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3385 [19:33:56] <speciality> jelly, I want to use it as tmp-dir
for openvpn as I am using --auth-user-pass-verify via-file which
writes a file and then deletes it when auth is done, so openvpn
manual suggests us to put tmp-dir as /dev/shm so that file does not
even touch the disk and when we use chroot dir, the tmp-dir has to
be inside chroot
3386 [19:34:11] <greycat> jelly: and even then, it uses /bin/sh
unless you override that with SHELL= in the crontab itself
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3391 [19:35:08] <jelly> speciality: a tmpfs filesystem may touch
the disk and be swapped out. Use "ramfs" if you need it
NEVER go to disk
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3393 [19:35:37] <x86iac> and what if the script contains the
'shell special characters'
3394 [19:35:42] <jelly> greycat: ah, I forgot about that. Still
it's all in the man page you mentioned already.
3395 [19:35:56] <jelly> x86iac: it can contain bananas,
doesn't matter
3396 [19:36:20] <x86iac> it doesn't look in the script - thus
your statment doesn't matter
3397 [19:36:36] <jelly> that's what I said, yes
3398 [19:36:48] <x86iac> if you don't want problems use
SHELL=/bin/bash
3399 [19:36:52] <speciality> jelly, Ok thanks
3400 [19:36:58] * jelly blinks
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3403 [19:37:28] <jelly> x86iac: that's a very penguiny
approach
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3405 [19:37:42] <greycat> I would suggest simply not using
bashisms in your crontab file.
3406 [19:37:58] <greycat> If your crontab line needs that much
complexity, write it in a script and call the script from the
crontab.
3407 [19:38:09] <jelly> ^^
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3414 [19:42:17] <speciality> tmpfs /mnt/ramdisk ramfs
nodev,nosuid,noexec,nodiratime,size=32M 0 0
3415 [19:42:20] <speciality> jelly, ^
3416 [19:42:23] <speciality> is this good?
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3421 [19:43:29] <jim> I darken your doorstep once again... this
time, I need some help with the lap's x display (it;s an asus
q504ua, pciid 8086:1916) and an x log from trying to run Xorg
reads...
replaced-url
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3424 [19:44:01] <jim> it's a skylake thing
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3426 [19:44:33] <jelly> speciality: looks about right. Might want
to replace that first "tmpfs" with "ramfs" or
"jellyiscool" to reduce confusion
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3428 [19:45:07] <speciality> jelly, Do you think 32M is enough for
temp files?
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3434 [19:45:33] <jelly> speciality: I don't know how many and
how large your temp files are going to be
3435 [19:45:51] <x86iac> 32MB osm
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3440 [19:46:28] <speciality> jelly, temp-files = USERNAME and
PASSWORD :]
3441 [19:46:30] <greycat> Totally depends on what things you run.
Back in the Days of Olde (say, 5 years ago) web browsers just
LOOOVED to write all of their download-in-progress files in /tmp
even when they wanted the file ultimately to end up in a totally
different file system.
3442 [19:47:10] <jelly> !xorg skylake
3443 [19:47:10] <dpkg> Enable <jessie-backports> with
included <non-free sources>. apt-get -t jessie-backports
install linux-image-amd64 firmware-misc-nonfree
xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri
3444 [19:47:14] <jelly> jim: ^^
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3447 [19:47:46] <jim> ok
3448 [19:47:54] <jelly> jim: you know how to /msg dpkg
jessie-backports, and so on, right?
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3453 [19:49:24] <jelly> jim: and the factoid is kind of assuming
you're running 64bit amd64 arch
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3459 [19:52:00] <jim> got backports enabled, and already running a
4.6.0-rt from backports,
3460 [19:52:17] <speciality> jelly, u sure ramfs is safer version
of tmpfs ?
3461 [19:52:19] <jim> I installed the firmware package,
3462 [19:52:23] <greycat> dpkg, xorg skylake =~
s/amd64/"$(dpkg --print-architecture)"/
3463 [19:52:23] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3466 [19:53:10] <jelly> greycat: not good, there's no
linux-image-i386 package
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3469 [19:53:35] <jim> dpkg --print-architecture reads amd64
3470 [19:53:36] <dpkg> jim: I'm not sure, is it larger than a
breadbox?
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3472 [19:53:45] <greycat> Bah.
3473 [19:53:52] <jelly> greycat: you could do the weird sed
present in eg. «nvidia dkms»
3474 [19:54:00] <greycat> dpkg, xorg skylake =~ s/"$(dpkg
--print-architecture)"/amd64/
3475 [19:54:00] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3477 [19:54:09] <jim> it's thinner but otherwise larger
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3480 [19:54:36] <jelly> if if they're using that new an intel
chipset, why the fuck would they run 32bit userspace
3481 [19:54:42] <jelly> but* if
3482 [19:54:46] <no_gravity> Is there anything wrong with just
unplugging a wifi usb stick? Should I somehow unmount it first?
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3485 [19:55:11] <jim> you can unplug it
3486 [19:55:17] <jelly> no_gravity: not really, you can disable
wifi for a bit if you really want to
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3489 [19:55:39] <no_gravity> jelly: ok, thanks
3490 [19:55:39] <greycat> NICs are not mounted. Only file systems
are.
3491 [19:55:54] <no_gravity> greycat: I know but I could not think
of a better term.
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3495 [19:56:34] <jim> I tried Xorg again, this time got
replaced-url
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3497 [19:56:59] <petn-randall> no_gravity: Since it's USB
everything should (and AFAIK does) cope with your wifi USB being
unplugged without warning. It's just buffered filesystems on
USB sticks that don't cope with it well.
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3500 [19:57:47] <jelly> jim: you did not get all the stuff from
jessie-backports that factoid asked you to, yet
3501 [19:58:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1770
3502 [19:58:03] <jelly> video-intel says it's "module
version = 2.21.15 "
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3504 [19:58:11] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
3505 [19:58:12] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64
-- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1;
jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports:
2:2.99.917+git20160522-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1;
sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160706-1
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3507 [19:58:27] <jim> oops,
3508 [19:59:03] <jelly> kernel, firmware, video-intel, mesa(dri)
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3513 [20:00:39] <jelly> ubuntu has a nice way to get an upgraded
xorg stack even for LTS versions, makes things a lot simpler there
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3518 [20:01:39] <no_gravity> How can I figure out which wifi
driver I am currently using?
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3521 [20:04:06] <jelly> no idea, maybe
3522 [20:04:11] <jelly> !what's my wireless
3523 [20:04:12] <dpkg> Install the hwinfo package and execute
"/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or
replaced-url
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3527 [20:04:42] <jim> you can also pour thru output of lsmod
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3534 [20:08:49] <jim> this time it went to a black screen (not
gray like blank x displays usually are), and couldn't see mouse
pointer move... x log
replaced-url
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3536 [20:09:37] <Time-Warp> anyone remember the command to pipe
music from youtube to recordmydesktop
3537 [20:09:41] <Time-Warp> LOL
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3539 [20:09:51] <jim> hmm. maybe that's
replaced-url
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3542 [20:10:08] <jim> yeah
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3544 [20:11:16] <no_gravity> looks like the driver is called
"wl".
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3546 [20:11:38] <jim> same as mine, iwlwifi
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3548 [20:12:06] <emorris> Hi, I've been trying to use
fancontrol to control some noisy fans, and it works, except the
relevant pwmon device randomly changes between hwmon0 and hwmon2.
I'm guessing this is the order the drivers are loaded: the one
I want uses amd1026, and the other 2 k8temp. Any ideas of how I
could fix the order?
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3550 [20:12:39] <no_gravity> The wifi on this machine keeps
freezing. I wonder how to fix it.
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3553 [20:14:02] <jelly> jim: log suggests X mostly started,
detected the screen, just AIGLX failed
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3555 [20:14:11] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: check dmesg
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3557 [20:14:41] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: Will do when it freezes
again.
3558 [20:14:41] <dionysus69> can anyone please help me in debian
next channel :D :S
3559 [20:14:56] <jelly> jim: which DE are you using, or how are
you starting X if no DE?
3560 [20:15:08] <dionysus69> or if not, can anyone tell me how I
can fully remove gnome shell and then reinstall? without loosing
config files
3561 [20:15:17] <dionysus69> basically without touching home idr
3562 [20:15:35] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: i bet when it freezes you
will see all kinds of clues in dmesg
3563 [20:15:42] <jelly> dionysus69: removing packages does not
touch home dirs.
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3565 [20:16:03] <jelly> dionysus69: purging packages also does not
touch home dirs
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3570 [20:16:22] <dionysus69> hmm ok so I will purge
"gnome-shell", is that it?
3571 [20:16:37] <dionysus69> and then use tasksel to reinstall?
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3573 [20:16:55] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: We will see :)
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3575 [20:17:11] <jelly> dionysus69: don't know about that,
but I suspect you'll have to purge a lot more than that.
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3577 [20:17:29] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: lol
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3579 [20:17:52] <dionysus69> jelly: ok thanks anyways
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3581 [20:18:24] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: when it does freese can
you privmsg me. on a BNC so im always online. that wifi issue has my
attn :D
3582 [20:18:39] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: There are several reports
about this on the net. So far, either there is no solution or the
solution does not work here.
3583 [20:18:48] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: Here is an example:
replaced-url
3584 [20:18:53] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: are you using wicd ?
3585 [20:18:59] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: What is wicd?
3586 [20:19:22] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: network manager
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3589 [20:19:43] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: Yes
3590 [20:19:52] <Time-Warp> nice
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3592 [20:20:07] <Time-Warp> checking out that link now
3593 [20:20:14] <jelly> emorris: put both the drivers in
/etc/modules, maybe
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3595 [20:20:40] <queso> When doing replication, is it required to
use the same version of an operating system between the master and
the slave? We'd like to upgrade our slave to Debian Jessie
while keeping the master (temporarily) on Wheezy.
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3602 [20:21:23] <emorris> jelly, aha, only one of them is in
there, I'll give putting the other in a shot
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3604 [20:21:56] <queso> (we will be on the same version of
Postgres)
3605 [20:21:59] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: yea defently dmesg
3606 [20:22:01] <Time-Warp> lol
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3609 [20:22:14] <queso> Oops, sorry, should be in #postgresql :(
3610 [20:22:15] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: ok!
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3612 [20:22:55] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: What is a BNC?
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3618 [20:23:25] <Time-Warp> no_gravity: irc running on a remote
server. and anytime im at starbucks i can just login and check out
whats going on
3619 [20:23:29] <Time-Warp> lol
3620 [20:23:53] <no_gravity> Time-Warp: I see!
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3624 [20:25:08] <emorris> jelly, that seems to have fixed it,
thanks! :-)
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3626 [20:26:12] <jim> jelly, as yet I've installed no x
components at all except for xorg, (so starting it with
"Xorg") partly because I want to troubleshoot this part
first and partly because I haven't quite decided which de (or
whatever) yet
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3635 [20:31:29] <GJdan> Getting a weird error when I do apt-get
update... not sure what's going on...
replaced-url
3636 [20:31:40] <GJdan> this is for a server in a fairly remote
community
3637 [20:32:01] <jelly> jim: did you install all the packages from
the factoid, including libgl1-mesa-dri?
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3639 [20:32:15] <jim> yes
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3642 [20:32:41] <petn-randall> GJdan: Looks like something
inbetween is dropping data. Do you have a web proxy in between? Does
it persist when you run 'apt-get update' a second time?
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3645 [20:33:21] <jim> first I forgot the -t jessie-backports, it
said everything's current, then added it, and upgraded those
packages
3646 [20:33:48] <jim> it installed like 3 packages...
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3648 [20:34:07] <jim> 5
3649 [20:34:14] *** Joins: pffffffft (~pffffffft@replaced-ip )
3650 [20:34:22] <pffffffft> hi, this is really urgent! Is there an
op in here?!
3651 [20:34:27] <jelly> jim: not sure where to go from here,
except stretch
3652 [20:34:37] <jelly> pffffffft: no, they're all in
#debian-ops
3653 [20:34:53] <jim> pffffffft, I'm an op, but not of this
earth...
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3655 [20:35:03] <pffffffft> jim: this is what I think about your
rules
3656 [20:35:07] * pffffffft spits on the ground
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3658 [20:35:10] <pffffffft> fuck you jim
3659 [20:35:12] * pffffffft walks away
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3661 [20:35:28] <jelly> that went well!
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3663 [20:35:37] <jim> wow, what brought that on?
3664 [20:35:49] <jelly> someone doesn't like you
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3666 [20:36:13] <jim> oh well... he can either talk to me or not
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3671 [20:37:34] <pffffffft> wait.. jim isn't even an op in
here
3672 [20:37:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
3673 [20:37:38] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@unaffiliated/pffffffft
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3676 [20:37:44] <`Kevin> :)
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3679 [20:37:57] * rysiek|pl grabs popcorn
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3682 [20:38:56] <Silent> Cinnamon crashes after performing the
steps on
replaced-url
3683 [20:39:01] <Silent> Can someone please help me?
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3686 [20:39:19] <Silent> LightDM loads fine so I assume it's
not an Xorg issue
3687 [20:39:25] <jelly> jim: if you haven't even installed
anything important, you can go try stretch I guess
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3691 [20:39:50] <jelly> with all the consequences that using
testing gets you
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3693 [20:40:33] <GJdan> petn-randall: It does it everytime, but
sometimes it complains about one other repo url
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3695 [20:41:04] <`Kevin> Silent: what video card do you have?
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3700 [20:42:13] <jim> jelly, is it that everything else I need is
in stretch / jessie-backports? if the x server started (almost you
say? what part didn't start?)
3701 [20:42:37] <Silent> `Kevin: ATI Radeon HD 7550M / 7570M /
7650M
3702 [20:43:23] <`Kevin> i would suggest the fglrx driver then if
you didnt go that route
3703 [20:43:31] <`Kevin>
replaced-url
3704 [20:43:46] <jelly> jim: testing will get you a newer X server
and libs, not just the drivers
3705 [20:43:56] <`Kevin> and i only suggest this if that previous
Ati page is indeed what ended up breaking Cinnamon
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3707 [20:44:41] <jelly> jim: AIGLX failed
3708 [20:44:52] <Silent> `Kevin: I am looking to get the Intel
card to work as well
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3710 [20:45:06] <Silent> Also, how do I make sure that this is
indeed what caused the breakage? Where are cinnamon's logs?
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3712 [20:46:35] <jim> is that a radeon thing?
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3714 [20:46:39] <jim> aiglx
3715 [20:46:50] <`Kevin> I do not use cinnamon and havent, you
will need to inspect your logs for entries in /var/log/ perhaps
Xorg.log syslog messages kernel
3716 [20:47:10] <`Kevin> those should steer you in the right
direction
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3721 [20:47:56] <jim> is xserver-xorg in backports... hmm
let's see
3722 [20:48:09] <Silent> `Kevin: The odd thing is that there are
no Xorg errors... Also LightDM works as it should
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3725 [20:48:22] <`Kevin> Silent: does glxgears work?
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3727 [20:48:52] <Silent> `Kevin: No, it doesnt
3728 [20:49:07] <Silent> I am only able to access the system using
a terminal
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3730 [20:49:55] <jelly> jim: the package is called
"xserver-xorg-core" and there's very little chance it
would be in backports; huge ABI changes are unlikely to get in
backports
3731 [20:50:11] <Sys0p1791> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER
Sys0p1791 baznzaejpwba
3732 [20:50:27] <Vonor> hi folks. I'm trying to prepare a usb
key with the netinst image, as suggested in the preflight section of
replaced-url
3733 [20:50:29] <`Kevin> Sys0p1791: :(
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3735 [20:50:42] <Vonor> Sys0p1791, i suggest to change your
nickserv password quickly :)
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3738 [20:50:52] <Silent> Ahh been there done that
3739 [20:50:57] <Silent> lol
3740 [20:51:08] <`Kevin> Silent: what happens if you run cinnamon
by hand
3741 [20:51:16] <`Kevin> does it output any useful logs
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3748 [20:52:33] <Silent> `Kevin: Nothing much, just unable to open
X display
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3750 [20:52:59] <jim> Sys0p1791, try that again (and don't
worry, exposing that should do no harm)
3751 [20:53:14] <jim> ok
3752 [20:53:32] <jim> maybe I'm going to stretch...
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3763 [20:56:48] <lf941> Is it possible to provide apt a list of
packages to install?
3764 [20:57:23] <greycat> apt-get install your list
3765 [20:57:32] <lf941> Whenever I install debian, I always end up
downloading the same packages.
3766 [20:57:33] <lf941> Ah
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3768 [20:57:39] <lf941> So I guess just use cat and xargs then
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3770 [20:57:51] <greycat> You mean from a file one-per-line? You
don't need cat.
3771 [20:58:03] <jim> either on the command line, or in a file
with something like apt-get install $(cat thatfile)
3772 [20:58:05] <lf941> Yeah.
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3775 [20:58:18] <lf941> greycat: What can I do
3776 [20:58:18] <greycat> debian package names have a very strict
format that means xargs CAN BE USED (normally this would be a BAD
idea)
3777 [20:58:25] <greycat> xargs apt-get install < your-file.txt
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3779 [20:58:35] <lf941> Oh great
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3781 [20:58:55] <lf941> Yeah because package names don't
contain spaces, right?
3782 [20:59:02] <greycat> With arbitrary input, and *especially*
with filenames, don't use xargs this way.
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3784 [20:59:27] <greycat> Spaces, single quotes and double quotes
all break xargs.
3785 [21:00:29] <Vonor> got it solved. the surface wouldn't
boot the key until i disabled boot from internal storage completely
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3793 [21:03:19] <jelly> lf941: you might want to read: /msg dpkg
aptitude clone
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3803 [21:06:56] <QF> lf941: I am pretty sure that you can just
create a shell script with the appropriate commands. I also think
you can install multiples just by typing them in EX $sudo apt-get
install mc links php5 or what ever and it will execute that. You
could save it to a text file without formating and just run $bash
install where install is the name of the script file. I may be wrong
it has been a while since I used debian.
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3815 [21:12:01] <_rubik> Ok this is seriously getting annoying. Is
there no where where I can find the Sun JDK 6 source?
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3817 [21:13:12] <jim> for some reason my wireless is more
stable... I'm still connected after about an hour... before, I
couldn't stay connected longer than about 5 mins... now that
that's the case, I'll go ahead and upgrade to stretch
3818 [21:13:19] <greycat> _rubik: ask #java?
3819 [21:13:24] <greycat> err ##java
3820 [21:13:49] <lf941> Well, that's not bad. Only 6
packages.
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3822 [21:14:11] <lf941> Of course
'mate-desktop-environment' pulls in a lot of common stuff
I'd use occasionally.
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3824 [21:14:41] <jim> one nagging question... why would apt
complain about apt-transport-https being missing if no sources
referred to a source using https?
3825 [21:14:55] <lf941> Well there is a source then
3826 [21:15:14] <lf941> I needed https transport the other week to
bypass http MITM caused by my ISP
3827 [21:15:23] <QF> _rubik: isnt Sun and oracle java closed
source? I thought only openjdk was open source.
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3832 [21:16:20] <jim> anyway... here I go...
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3835 [21:17:31] <lf941> jim you can get the transport with http
access
3836 [21:17:47] <lf941> I was going to write up an article about
how you can bootstrap yourself without needing http at all
3837 [21:17:57] <lf941> you just have to memorize 1 url
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3839 [21:18:02] <lf941> cloudfront.debian.net
3840 [21:18:05] <jim> which I do... there's no https in my
sources at all
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3842 [21:18:24] <lf941> jim where are you checking
3843 [21:18:37] <lf941> Just so I can be 100% sure you're
checking everywhere
3844 [21:18:42] <jim> it's not a big deal... I installed the
transport package, it stopped complaining
3845 [21:18:49] <lf941> Ah ok
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3847 [21:19:46] <jim> the question just nags at me... I wonder if
one of the mirrors redirects to https
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3851 [21:20:33] <jim> it even complained when I would just update
(as opposed to upgrade or install)
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3867 [21:27:50] <doubleJJ> what's the deal with default
Debian install not detecting native monitor resolution?
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3877 [21:30:55] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, it's handled by Xorg
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3879 [21:31:24] <xrogaan> if you don't have a native
resolution, then you are probably missing some drivers for your
hardware
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3886 [21:33:15] <teraflops> sometimes the DE does not pick the
right resolution
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3896 [21:35:31] <r4z> I'm reading:
replaced-url
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3898 [21:36:55] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: but are drivers absolutely
necessary to be able to set native resolution?
3899 [21:36:58] <r4z> And the part "Don't forget to take
notes!" sounds great, I myself try to register every move I do
on my system. Does any of you have some format or tool to take note
of the steps you perform?
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3902 [21:37:31] <doubleJJ> what I mean by that is - I can already
change the resolution, i just dont have the right one
3903 [21:37:46] <xrogaan> r4z, .bash_history
3904 [21:38:03] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, everything is fine then
3905 [21:38:17] <xrogaan> the resolution is detected?
3906 [21:38:27] <doubleJJ> yeah, after i installed
firmware-linux-nonfree
3907 [21:38:49] <doubleJJ> i feel this shouldn't be required
to just be able to have native res out of the box
3908 [21:39:15] <greycat> If you use hardware that's not
supportable with purely free drivers, this kind of thing can happen.
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3911 [21:40:22] <xrogaan> it's by design :)
3912 [21:40:46] <xrogaan> I've heard ubuntu don't care
about nonfree
3913 [21:40:56] <Agiofws> greycat, thank you for your help
yesterday
3914 [21:41:06] <doubleJJ> are GPU drivers necessary to detect
native monitor resolution?
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3916 [21:41:08] <xrogaan> they also don't care about your
privacy
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3919 [21:41:32] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, usually
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3924 [21:42:46] <montreal> hi, guys!
3925 [21:43:09] <xrogaan> GPU tends to follow standards, so the
free drivers can make them work with basic functionalities. But for
more advanced features, you'll need the dedicated drivers.
3926 [21:43:18] <xrogaan> Same thing for every OS
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3928 [21:43:29] <doubleJJ> is 2560x1600 resolution an advanced
feature?
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3930 [21:43:47] <xrogaan> people on windows do need to install
nvidia or amd's drivers, but windows can use the gpu just fine
for basic tasks.
3931 [21:43:55] <montreal> something went wrong on my debian
machine and now I can neither install nor remove any package
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3934 [21:44:07] <montreal>
replaced-url
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3936 [21:44:12] <doubleJJ> I love debian though
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3938 [21:44:17] <doubleJJ> no need for ubuntu
3939 [21:45:02] <doubleJJ> I just wish native res would be
detected without messing with drivers or non-free firmware
3940 [21:45:14] <doubleJJ> or at least available from the drop
down list
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3943 [21:45:41] <doubleJJ> in the monitor preferences dialog
3944 [21:46:11] <xrogaan> doubleJJ, what I meant is that xorg will
use reliable drivers and only use basic feature from those, to be
sure not to damage your hardware
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3948 [21:46:55] <teraflops> take a look at what xrandr says
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3950 [21:46:59] <xrogaan> like VESA or VGA
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3952 [21:47:45] <doubleJJ> i feel this shouldn't be required
to just be able to have native res out of the box non-free firmware
:/
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3955 [21:48:31] <doubleJJ> teraflops: it's all fixed now
after installing AMD/ATI open source drivers + the non-free firmware
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3967 [21:50:37] <xrogaan> open + non-free. You like to live
dangerously :)
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3970 [21:51:22] <doubleJJ> xrogaan: do i have another option?
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3975 [21:52:25] <greycat> The other option is to use older
hardware that doesn't require non-free firmware/drivers, or
*cheaper* hardware that doesn't require non-free
firmware/drivers.
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4026 [22:11:31] <cart_man> Hi guys... I have a couple of embedded
queries ...I have built Qt4 for my IMX6 and I am cross compiling
from my Ubuntu to the IMX6 board. When I compile a project without
any Qt Libs it the creator just says "Architecture rejected
target-supplied description". BUT when I go onto the Target
board itself and execute it runs and nothing is wrong. NOW if I add
qt related stuff and run it on host it just says nothing...
initiating on th
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4029 [22:11:53] <cart_man> What packages to I have to have on my
Debian target for QT to be cross compiled onto the Debian target
4030 [22:11:53] <cart_man> ?
4031 [22:12:06] <cart_man> Also how do I install qdb and qdbserver
?
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4039 [22:15:23] <riceandbeans> if I use aptly and make a custom
repo and my repo has packages that are from earlier versions of
debian but the packages don't have anything that would preclude
them from technically being installed, would an apt-cache show them?
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4043 [22:15:52] <riceandbeans> I've got some legacy stuff
from before debian 8 but running on debian 8
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4045 [22:16:07] <riceandbeans> I can dpkg -i, but I'd like to
be able to apt-get install it as well
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4049 [22:19:32] <xrogaan> riceandbeans, if it compile, why not?
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4053 [22:20:41] <riceandbeans> because I have it hosted in aptly
right now, aptly shows it, the system does not see it when I
apt-cache
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4057 [22:22:10] <doubleJJ> How to add a custom scripted hotkeys to
manipulate active windows?
4058 [22:22:39] <doubleJJ> Like resize, enumerate all open windows
in a workspace and do something with them
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4068 [22:26:28] <jrose1030> anyone have experience with the
openvpn appliance from turnkeylinux.org? i'm trying to update
the config but nothing i do works, including update the config file
the output clearly identifies
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4071 [22:27:32] <_rubik> Where might I find the java path so I can
set it's environment variables
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4073 [22:28:30] <greycat> _rubik: that really is a ##java
question.
4074 [22:29:04] <greycat> It becomes a Debian question as soon as
you *know* the name of a variable that you want to set in your
environment, and then you want to figure out *how* to set it.
4075 [22:29:25] <_rubik> greycat: Found it. It was just a matter
of 'which java'
4076 [22:29:42] <greycat> Oh, you were asking for the pathname of
the 'java' command?
4077 [22:30:06] <greycat> Not the name of the stupid JAVA_HOME
variable or whatever the hell it is?
4078 [22:30:26] <_rubik> greycat: mhm. I need to set JAVA_HOME,
but I needed to find the binaries to do so.
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4080 [22:30:51] <greycat> In a reasonably-close-to-default Debian
installation, it's /usr/bin/java which is a symlink.
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4083 [22:31:17] <greycat> If your "which java" gave
something else, then you've done some customizing.
4084 [22:31:24] <_rubik> greycat: Thats exactly where it was
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4109 [22:43:09] <lf94> Will debian be around in 50 years
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4111 [22:43:22] <lf94> (In other words can I use debian for the
rest of my life)
4112 [22:43:48] <greycat> They might run out of Toy Story sequel
characters.
4113 [22:43:57] <zinx> lf94: still waiting for myself to send me a
message from the future about that
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4115 [22:44:03] <zinx> greycat: nope.
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4117 [22:44:41] <lf94> Will debian remain 'free and
open' as well, you think?
4118 [22:44:53] <chucklebug> greycat: rofl
4119 [22:44:58] <greycat> I'm quite sure that as long as
Debian exists, it will remain Free.
4120 [22:44:59] <lf94> What if say, the government tries to shut
something like debian down
4121 [22:45:02] <zinx> it wouldn't be debian if it stopped
following the DFSG
4122 [22:45:22] <zinx> Debian very strictly follows the DFSG. if
it didn't, it would not be Debian.
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4124 [22:45:32] <lf94> OK, that makes me feel better.
4125 [22:45:45] <lf94> And if it stopped, would everyone go else
where? Fork?
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4127 [22:46:03] <greycat> Calls for too much speculation.
4128 [22:46:08] <zinx> probably fork, or use one of the existing
forks
4129 [22:46:14] <lf94> What's an existing fork?
4130 [22:46:21] <greycat> !based on debian
4131 [22:46:22] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
4132 [22:46:32] <zinx> though, if Debian stops, it may be because
there's simply no reason to use anything like it any more.
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4136 [22:47:47] <lf94> greycat: I meant, there's a fork of
debian that strictly adheres to being FOSS?
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4139 [22:48:20] <lf94> zinx: Why would there ever be a reason to
not use it? Windows becomes open source?
4140 [22:48:22] <lf94> lol
4141 [22:48:25] <greycat> the "O" in that acronym really
doesn't keep it very focused.
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4143 [22:48:41] <lf94> I know the difference between free and open
source software
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4145 [22:49:20] <lf94> free software: free to do anything you wish
with it; open software: source code is viewable
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4147 [22:49:48] <lf94> open software can still include blobs right
4148 [22:50:09] <lf94> What does DFSG mean?
4149 [22:50:14] <greycat> !dfsg
4150 [22:50:14] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
replaced-url
4151 [22:50:15] <lf94> Debian Free Software Group?
4152 [22:50:17] <lf94> ah
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4154 [22:51:05] <greycat> A given package has to be distributable
under a license that falls under the DFSG rules to be included in
Debian's "main".
4155 [22:51:06] <lf94> Well I for one hope Debian lives on at
least until I'm 50
4156 [22:51:22] <lf94> It'll give me lots of old hardware to
use ;)
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4158 [22:51:33] <greycat> I'm about 99% confident Debian will
be here for my 50th birthday.
4159 [22:51:50] <greycat> I'm somewhat less confident that
I'll be here for Debian's 50th birthday.
4160 [22:52:11] <doubleJJ> What is the prefered way (or C API) to
capture keypresses/hotkeys in X Window system?
4161 [22:52:33] <doubleJJ> Can I register hotkeys somehow within
the system?
4162 [22:52:39] <greycat> doubleJJ: Are you still asking how to
configure your WM or DE? Then you start by *identifying* your WM or
DE. Because it's different for each one.
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4164 [22:52:50] <doubleJJ> greycat: it's MATE
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4166 [22:53:03] <lf94> There is a program to do it in MATE IIRC
4167 [22:53:11] <doubleJJ> but I'd like it to work regardless
of WM/DE
4168 [22:53:16] <doubleJJ> although i'm not aware of the
terminology
4169 [22:53:27] <lf94> keylogger? heh
4170 [22:53:33] <doubleJJ> Not a keylogger
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4172 [22:53:39] <doubleJJ> I just wanna bind hotkeys
4173 [22:53:40] <lf94> It captures key presses.
4174 [22:53:42] <greycat> In fvwm, you add lines like Key P A SC
Exec nyxmms2 toggle in ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc
4175 [22:53:54] <lf94> There is probably a stand alone program
4176 [22:54:00] <greycat> You're probably wrong.
4177 [22:54:00] <lf94> Out there, on the Internet, lost
4178 [22:54:09] <doubleJJ> I also need some branching IF
conditions when resizing windows
4179 [22:54:11] <greycat> You configure your WM or DE.
4180 [22:54:33] <hanshenrik> can i limit the bandwith based on
target IP addresses? for instance, 100 kb/s global limit/per ip, but
on certain IPs, global limit is ignored?
4181 [22:54:34] <lf94> greycat: Are there not key loggers for X?
4182 [22:54:35] <doubleJJ> I wouldnt mind writting a background
process in C which captures keypresses and then resizes windows
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4184 [22:54:54] <doubleJJ> I'm looking at the source of
wmctrl, and the X Windows API looks fairly simple
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4186 [22:55:04] <doubleJJ> for at least manipulating the windows
4187 [22:55:12] <doubleJJ> Enumerating them, getting/setting size
4188 [22:55:18] <greycat> When you press or release a key in X, it
generates an Event. Your Window Manager receives these Events and
may act upon them, or not.
4189 [22:55:21] <lf94> > looks fairly simple <- you are the
first I see say that, ever
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4191 [22:56:01] <greycat> You can run the xev program to see the
Events. Enjoy.
4192 [22:56:16] <hanshenrik> lf94, keep in mind, he's not
reading the actual docs for the x window api, he's just looking
at the small parts of it that wmctrl uses
4193 [22:56:22] <lf94> Ah
4194 [22:56:39] <doubleJJ> greycat: thank you for the tip!
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4199 [22:57:40] <doubleJJ> lf94: just the portion to enumerate
windows and get or set their size :D
4200 [22:57:51] <doubleJJ> i would assume the whole X windows
system is a hairy mess
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4202 [22:58:01] <hanshenrik> famous for it
4203 [22:58:02] <hanshenrik> even.
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4205 [22:58:36] <hanshenrik> several have tried "x from
scratch", but nothing has really gotten any traction.. well,
there's Wayland and then something, i guess
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4220 [23:02:55] <doubleJJ> Capturing the X windows system events
seems like the way to go
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4222 [23:03:07] <doubleJJ> Unless there's some sort of
standartized way to REGISTER hotkeys
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4238 [23:17:21] <kapitalist> You also got XQueryKeymap
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4249 [23:20:32] <Agafnd> I'm thinking or dualbooting Win7 and
Debian on my laptop
4250 [23:20:49] <Agafnd> I've read
replaced-url
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4252 [23:21:03] <Agafnd> would it be wise to make a full system
backup
4253 [23:21:13] <Agafnd> or just personal files
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4261 [23:22:57] <doubleJJ> kapitalist: that would only work for
polling though
4262 [23:23:14] <vvande> Agafnd: if you don't already have a
Win7 installation disk, then it would be good to have a backup
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4266 [23:23:56] <Agafnd> vvande: only thing is I don't have
anything to put a backup on
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4269 [23:25:02] <doubleJJ> Agafnd: YOLO
4270 [23:25:46] <Agafnd> doubleJJ: surely it isn't that
dangerous
4271 [23:26:01] <doubleJJ> it isn't for the most part
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4273 [23:26:28] <doubleJJ> it might be the case that GRUB initally
wouldn't find your windows 7 install right after installing
debian
4274 [23:26:42] <doubleJJ> so you'll have some fun there with
calling update-grub or whatever
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4278 [23:27:33] <Agafnd> I guess I could always copy the relevant
system files from another computer if they got corrupted
4279 [23:27:44] <Agafnd> plenty of win7 boxes around
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4281 [23:28:34] <Agafnd> what would be a good partition size to
put windows on?
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4283 [23:28:51] <Agafnd> I've got ~43GB of stuff
4284 [23:29:03] <Agafnd> ~266 HDD
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4286 [23:29:47] <Agafnd> .. make that ~288
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4321 [23:43:31] <Epakai> during boot it complains it can't
load "ibt-hw-37.7.10-fw-1.0.1.2d.d.bseq", it seems there
is a newer version in firmware-iwlwifi (1.80.1.2d.d), why
doesn't it load this?
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4342 [23:53:32] <wolfmitchell> Hey, how would I enable systemd
user sessions? Not sure how to, lmao
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4344 [23:55:24] <jim> hi... back once more, upgrade from jessie to
stretch completed (seemingly no problems during upgrade; great work
gang...) I have xorg-xserver (err reverse of that) installed, trying
to run Xorg.... log from latest (after upgrade) attempt,
replaced-url
4345 [23:55:53] <missmbob> ask the testing channel
4346 [23:56:05] <jim> oh right, sorry
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4348 [23:56:49] <doubleJJ> Is there some sort of general guide for
how to write software for GNU/Linux?
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