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128 [03:11:07] <ajpaon> Hi, I am looking for help getting wifi
working on my new debian install. I have the base system running but
the wireless adapter doesn't show up in the output of `ip`.
I've also tried reinstalling with the +nonfree image but
stopped because even that installer wasn't able to connect
129 [03:11:37] <sney> do you know what wifi controller you have?
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132 [03:12:13] <ajpaon> I believe some integrated intel thing.
The laptop is the latest x1 carbon
133 [03:13:22] <sney> ok, look at the output of 'lspci |grep
-i net', which one looks like wifi?
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135 [03:14:01] <ajpaon> Probably: Network controller: Intel
Corporation Device 02f0
136 [03:14:34] <sney> yep. ok, you need the kernel and firmware
from buster-backports.
137 [03:14:39] <sney> !buster-backports
138 [03:14:40] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian
11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in
the buster-backports repository. See
replaced-url
139 [03:15:13] <sney> follow these instructions ^ to enable the
repository, then 'apt -t buster-backports install
linux-image-amd64 firmware-iwlwifi'
140 [03:15:23] <sney> reboot when done, and you should be good to
go
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142 [03:16:23] <ajpaon> It looks like these instructions assume I
have a network connection on the machine in question. Is it possible
to include the packages in the installation media, or install from
USB?
143 [03:16:43] <sney> ah, no wired ethernet?
144 [03:16:51] <ajpaon> Unfortunately not
145 [03:17:33] <sney> ok. yes, you can download the packages from
replaced-url
146 [03:19:18] <sney> linux-image-amd64 is a metapackage, so if
you're going the former route, the actual kernel package is
this one:
replaced-url
147 [03:20:30] <ajpaon> Thanks, I'll try that approach
first. I've never manually installed debian packages before; do
I need to download the dependencies manually? Or maybe the tar link
has everything I need?
148 [03:20:51] <sney> not the tar link, the download link at the
bottom under amd64
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150 [03:21:24] <sney> debian kernel packages are self contained,
so you don't need to download any extra dependencies
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152 [03:22:35] <ajpaon> Ok cool. Am I going to need to tweak grub
parameters or something to install the new image?
153 [03:22:52] <sney> nope, that's automatic during the
package install
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155 [03:24:00] <sney> just make sure you also download and
install the firmware-iwlwifi package for buster-backports from
there, since your wifi driver needs it to work
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159 [03:27:35] <ajpaon> Ok, so I download the linux-image and
firmware-iwlwifi packages from buster backports and dpkg -i each of
them?
160 [03:27:41] <sney> yep
161 [03:28:23] <ajpaon> And just to make sure I understand, why
the new kernel image?
162 [03:29:02] <sney> because the newer version of iwlwifi, your
wifi driver, is a kernel module. they're built together and
distributed as one package.
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164 [03:29:49] <ajpaon> In that case, what is the separate
firmware-iwlwifi package for?
165 [03:30:39] <sney> that's for non-free driver components.
intel refuses to release the source for a few pieces of the driver,
and for licensing reasons, debian keeps those separate
166 [03:31:05] <ajpaon> I understand. Thanks for answering all my
questions, I really appreciate it
167 [03:31:09] <sney> np
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182 [03:43:12] <ajpaon> sney: when I attempt to install
linux-image I get errors about 'ldconfig' and
'start-stop-daemon' not being found in PATH. Should I just
find the .debs for these programs and install them first?
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184 [03:44:21] <ajpaon> Ah, actually I think my PATH is just not
configured correctly.. let me fix that
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186 [03:45:47] <ajpaon> Ok, yeah, it works after export
PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin
187 [03:45:53] <n4dir> ajpaon: in buster you have to use "su
-" instead of a simple "su".
188 [03:46:02] <n4dir> to get roots $PATH
189 [03:46:15] <ajpaon> Ahhh, good to know
190 [03:46:31] <n4dir> pretty much everone runs in it. At least i
did too.
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192 [03:47:01] <ectospasm> I recommend not using su, and set up
sudo properly.
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194 [03:47:12] <n4dir> nice. i recommend using su.
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198 [03:47:45] <n4dir> ajpaon: if it bugs you, you can create a
config file for a simple su to get the path too
199 [03:47:59] <ectospasm> Then you have to maintain two
passwords. I typically don't have a password set for root.
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204 [03:50:30] <n4dir> thing is that recommending without knowing
the exact use case is odd
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207 [03:52:03] <foxide> In nearly all use cases, using
properly-configured sudo is recommended over su.
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213 [03:54:43] <ectospasm> I've only seen one instance where
using `su -` and sudo didn't, and I haven't sat down and
tried to figure out a better way to do it. Something about the -c
option to su
214 [03:55:10] <ectospasm> I'd have to find the example
again, and it's something specific to my work.
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220 [03:57:17] <n4dir> i can state the opposite just as well. But
what i need and don't need doesn't make me recommend the
one over the other to someone else
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224 [04:03:01] <ajpaon> About my original issue, now that I have
the new linux image and firmware installed, I'm able to see the
wireless adapter in `ip a`. But I can't connect to wifi because
I don't have wpa_supplicant installed. Is it reasonable to
install it using a flash drive? Or is there some other way to
connect?
225 [04:03:28] <ajpaon> I tried downloading and installing
wpa_supplicant from packages.debian.org but there were dependency
errors
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227 [04:04:32] <sponix> ajpaon: you are probably better off just
using the installer that has the non-free firmware included
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229 [04:04:58] <n4dir> or, if you are that far already, use a
liveCD and install what is needed via a chroot
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231 [04:05:25] <n4dir> a live CD with internet access, duh.
Debian live probably isn't it
232 [04:05:38] <ajpaon> sponix: hm, I did try going down that
road but I wasn't able to connect to wifi in the installer
233 [04:05:47] <ajpaon> So I figured I would end up with the same
issue after install
234 [04:05:59] <sponix> ajpaon: yeah, seems likely
235 [04:07:13] <ajpaon> n4dir: I don't totally understand
your suggestion
236 [04:08:32] <n4dir> You have a live iso like Ubuntu not shy
about non-free firmware. You boot it. You mount the installation
harddisk, mount proc/sys/dev there from the live too. You do
"chroot /media/mounted_installation_disk; and you got internet
from the live iso and can install what is needed
237 [04:08:59] <n4dir> sounds long way around and confusing, but
with a how-to it is pretty straight forward. Many how-tos out there
238 [04:09:52] <ajpaon> I see, it does sound do-able
239 [04:10:09] <n4dir> or download all the dependencies of
wpa_supplicant from debian.packages.org to a stick. Depends, to me
both seems a bit exhausting.
240 [04:10:37] <n4dir> chroot is something which can always be
useful. If you are not in a hurry it is worth to look at it
241 [04:10:48] <n4dir> !chroot
242 [04:10:51] <n4dir> damnit
243 [04:10:55] <ajpaon> Do you think it is not reasonable to
bundle all the dependencies I need on a flash drive and install from
there like I was imagining? I was hoping to find a way to download a
deb file with all dependencies.
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245 [04:11:57] <n4dir> i sure don't know of a way, but doing
it manually one by one (well: again, from a live iso would work.
apt-get something download only, then put the deb's on a stick)
246 [04:12:13] <n4dir> good luck, you will get it sorted. Just
annoying
247 [04:12:31] <ajpaon> Thanks. So close..
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345 [07:28:47] <ajpaon> Hi, I'm having trouble getting audio
working on my new debian install. aplay -l outputs "no
soundcards found"
346 [07:29:00] <ajpaon> I think I'm missing some firmware
but I'm not sure where to get it.
347 [07:29:36] <ajpaon> the sound card (from lspci) is
"Intel Corporation Device [8086:02c8]"
348 [07:34:35] <sponix2ipfw> ajpaon: you probably want to enable
non-free and contrib is your sources
349 [07:35:34] <sponix2ipfw> Then install the Linux-firmware
package(s)
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351 [07:37:12] <sponix2ipfw> !firmware
352 [07:37:12] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic
devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux
kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace,
notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part
of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some
are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask
me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>.
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364 [07:46:22] <ajpaon> I added non-free and contrib, and
installed firmware-linux-nonfree but I still see the same error
after a reboot. Anything else I might be missing?
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369 [07:48:59] <n4dir> lspci -k | grep -i -A 3 Audio
370 [07:49:21] <n4dir> look if that shows a kernel driver in use.
Probably does, but doesn't hurt to check
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372 [07:49:39] <n4dir> or a simple: lspci, and look
"manually" what you can find
373 [07:51:43] <n4dir> well, you did that already. oops
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375 [07:55:26] <ajpaon> Yeah, the kernel driver is definitely
there
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379 [07:56:54] <n4dir> ajpaon: there is #lau (linux audio users)
and #opensourcemusicians, perhaps give it a try in #linux too
380 [07:56:59] <n4dir> audio is weird stuff
381 [07:57:17] <n4dir> perhaps someone knows here, but in the
meantime you could ask elsewhere too
382 [07:57:39] <ajpaon> thanks for the pointers, #lau sounds like
a good lead
383 [07:58:00] <n4dir> both former channels are not outstanding
active. Give it time.
384 [07:58:01] <n4dir> good luck
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402 [08:27:36] <PaddyF> i would like to make a list of packages
ordered by their priority. so far, i have looked at
debootstrap's base install. they all seem to be
"required". but is there any order within that group of
packages?
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414 [08:42:36] <ratrace> ,v libgcrypt
415 [08:42:37] <judd> No package named 'libgcrypt' was
found in amd64.
416 [08:42:55] <ratrace> ,v libgcrypt20
417 [08:42:56] <judd> Package: libgcrypt20 on amd64 -- jessie:
1.6.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.3-2+deb8u8; stretch:
1.7.6-2+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.7.6-2+deb9u3; buster: 1.8.4-5;
bullseye: 1.8.7-2; sid: 1.8.7-2; experimental: 1.9.1-1
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424 [08:51:33] <ratrace> PaddyF: something based on dpkg-query -W
-f='${Priority} ${binary:Package}\n' | sort ?
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435 [09:07:54] <jaalto> What is the channel to ask about exim?
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439 [09:11:48] <jelly> would you believe #exim
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445 [09:15:41] * ratrace gasps
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449 [09:20:12] <jaalto> jelly: ok
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452 [09:21:32] <jaalto> About debian: Anyone know why exim config
dc_smarthost='cante.net:587' still connect to smarthost
port 25 under debug 'exim -d -v -qff' (Connecting to
cante.net [85.156.68.68]:25...)
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455 [09:23:51] <jaalto> Oh, it needed double colon(..) =>
dc_smarthost='cante.net:587'
456 [09:24:08] <jaalto> correcton: that is (::)
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461 [09:26:56] <ratrace> D'oh Exim!
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498 [09:58:20] <Haohmaru> huh, i bring the PC here out of
suspend, as every other day, and i see 50% cpu usage (that's
one whole core) ... pulseaudio
499 [10:01:13] <ratrace> well, well!
500 [10:01:43] <ratrace> Haohmaru: -k it, -D it ?
501 [10:02:18] <Haohmaru> you assume i'm a linux h4x0r and
understand what that is
502 [10:02:36] <Haohmaru> it stopped btw.. it was thinking for
about a minute
503 [10:03:24] <ratrace> pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio -D that kills
it, and re-daemonizes it. ; run as your user, not root
504 [10:04:14] <ratrace> and yes after all these years I fully
expect you to pass the lee nukx h4xx0r certification. you already
got M$CrapDows 10.0 H8er cert. :)
505 [10:05:31] <PaddyF> :)
506 [10:06:56] <PaddyF> !daemons
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509 [10:10:05] <jelly> ,kernels
510 [10:10:06] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid:
5.10.0-2-686-pae (5.10.9-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-2-686-pae (5.10.9-1);
buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.9.15-1~bpo10+1); buster:
4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports:
4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-
511 [10:10:07] <judd> backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686
(4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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513 [10:11:44] <Haohmaru> ratrace i don't use the audio on
that PC, it's for CAD'ing and stuff.. technically it has a
built-in soundcard tho
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518 [10:14:51] <Haohmaru> it's the first time i see high cpu
usage after suspend tho
519 [10:16:04] <PaddyF> maybe you dont look often enough
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521 [10:20:32] <ratrace> suspend in linux often breaks things.
hibernate even more. it's usually to be blamed on faulty acpi,
drivers or firmware.
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526 [10:25:57] <Haohmaru> PaddyF my cpu monitor is part of the
systemtray
527 [10:26:02] <strk> Is anyone using firefox-esr in Debian-10 ?
528 [10:26:10] <Haohmaru> it's eye-pockingly visible, i
watch it
529 [10:26:30] <Haohmaru> it's a habbit from crapdows, i
eyeball it a lot there coz wuauserv.exe and other crap
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537 [10:30:10] <ratrace> !tell strk about anyone
538 [10:30:27] <ratrace> that said ... a lot of people, me
included.
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540 [10:31:12] <strk> ratrace: do you have any problem seeing the
firefox icon in window list and alt-tab menu ?
541 [10:31:49] <strk> ok, rephrasing: can anyone think of a
reason why my firefox-esr icon shows fine on an app launcher but NOT
in the alt-tab menu and windows list in the panel ?
542 [10:31:53] <Haohmaru> no, but that icon is affected by your
icon themes
543 [10:32:34] <Haohmaru> i'd think the alt+tab
"menu" comes from the window manager, maybe
544 [10:32:53] <ratrace> strk: you should rephrase your question
for the specific DE. I have no "firefox icon", nor a
"window list", nor a "alt-tab" menu.
545 [10:33:39] <Haohmaru> i do, and the icon there doesn't
look like the official firefox icon, because i'm using a more
pimped-up icon theme
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547 [10:34:45] <strk> Haohmaru: I'm using Mate as DE
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549 [10:35:01] <Haohmaru> my condolesence
550 [10:35:02] <shtrb> strk, alt tab invoke a DE specific
software which loads specific icons (based on theme and setup)
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555 [10:38:21] <Haohmaru> i don't alt+tab much.. i use
multiple virtual desktops
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557 [10:38:38] <Haohmaru> that's so convenient
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559 [10:39:15] <shtrb> I'm Sorry for using non family
friendly words, but does anyone have suggestion for Debian packages
I could connect and maintain to ESXi and vSphere ?
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568 [10:49:55] <jelly> shtrb, no packages that I know of, apart
from the web browser and ssh. VMware has a remote console client for
linux but it does not come in a .deb
569 [10:51:02] <shtrb> Thank you , I just found out I can at
least connect via virsh to it, which is something I can live with :)
570 [10:51:34] <shtrb> I just hope I would be able to get some
info , manage them
571 [10:52:30] <jelly> apt-cache search vmomi
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573 [10:53:25] <jelly> there are ruby and python bindings
packaged, but no pretty client like rvc or pvc
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581 [10:55:59] <shtrb> thank you jelly
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600 [11:14:29] <Lope> ratrace, sent you PM
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602 [11:15:47] <ratrace> I don't do PMs, sorry... :/
603 [11:16:26] <jelly> nothing wrong with prime ministers
604 [11:16:36] <shtrb> lol
605 [11:17:42] <ratrace> gaah! innuendos.... again! :)
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607 [11:19:56] <Lope> ratrace, you're german right? not that
that should matter for this recommendation...
608 [11:20:15] <ratrace> I'm not. not that there's
something wrong with being a german :)
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610 [11:20:34] <Lope> printf
"--ignore-errors\n--restrict-filenames\n-o
/dm-itx-zp/scratch/%(title)s.%(ext)s\n-f bestaudio\n" >
/etc/youtube-dl.conf
611 [11:20:35] <Lope> sudo pip3 install --upgrade youtube_dl ||
sudo apt install -y youtube-dl; youtube-dl 'replaced-url
612 [11:20:43] <Lope> oh, dunno why I thought u were german.
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614 [11:21:20] <Lope> Probably from seeing a whois in DE or
whatever.
615 [11:21:26] <ratrace> sometimes I'm germane, tho
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624 [11:26:00] <ratrace> Lope: sudo pip3 install NO NO NO NO NO
NO NO NO NO !!!!! never sudo pip! ever!
625 [11:26:08] <Lope> the above was just for testing, check
copyrights etc :p
626 [11:26:30] <Lope> ratrace, really, I thought that was better,
so it would be available to all users etc.
627 [11:26:46] <Lope> I mean it's equivalent to `sudo apt
install -y youtube-dl` right?
628 [11:27:03] <ratrace> in _this_ particular case, probably no
damage done, but using pip3 as root will sooner or later clobber
your packaged python modules and potentially even break your OS
629 [11:27:04] <Lope> so u reckon pip should always be an
unprivileged user.
630 [11:27:29] <Lope> ratrace, oh i see. So rather pip for each
user?
631 [11:27:33] <ratrace> Lope: abso lute ly not equivalen. pip is
a python package manager that has no ide about apt installed ones,
and the other way around
632 [11:27:47] <shtrb> Lope, you should not use sudo pip3
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634 [11:27:54] <ratrace> Lope: you can set up a shared virtualenv
thta individual users can use
635 [11:28:06] <shtrb> Lope, use venv !
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638 [11:28:29] <ratrace> you can alias or script youtube-dl to
actually /use/directly/from/virtualenv's/bin/youtube-dl
639 [11:28:56] <ratrace> with virtualenv, you don't actaully
have to "activate" it. you can use paths in
$virtualenv_root/bin/ directly
640 [11:28:57] <shtrb> ,v youtube-dl
641 [11:28:58] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch:
2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster:
2019.01.17-1.1; buster-backports: 2021.01.08-1~bpo10+1; bullseye:
2021.01.08-1; sid: 2021.01.08-1; bullseye-multimedia:
2021.01.24.1-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2021.01.24.1-dmo1;
sid-multimedia: 2021.01.24.1-dmo1
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643 [11:30:17] <ratrace> Lope: so, one way, you could _carefully_
as root, create a virtualenv somewhere in, say,
/usr/local/youtube-dl-venv; then activate it; then pip install
youtube-dl
644 [11:30:37] <ratrace> Lope: then for each user you can alias
youtube-dl to /usr/local/youtube-dl-venv/bin/youtube-dl
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647 [11:30:58] <Lope> ratrace, nice!
648 [11:31:14] <Lope> it's not that much of an issue though,
I could just install it for one user in my current use-case.
649 [11:31:50] <Lope> But that's great advice in terms of
using $PATH, is that what you're referring to right?
650 [11:31:56] <ratrace> right. but my point is, a virtualenv is
just a PATH munge. you can run stuff in its /bin/ directory
directly. python started there will already be hardcoded for libs
inside the venv
651 [11:32:18] <Lope> sounds like how NVM works.
652 [11:32:23] <ratrace> which is not that obvious, so one may
think that venvs are unwieldly as one has to "activate" it
first
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654 [11:33:02] <ratrace> Lope: yes. a venv alters the PATH so
that, eg, python3 is first checked as (venv root)/bin/python3
655 [11:33:26] <ratrace> which means you don't have to
"source" to activate it. you can use the absolute paths
there directly.
656 [11:33:27] <Lope> are you saying tou can't just slap
export PATH="$PATH:/some/python/shit" in .bashrc ?
657 [11:33:48] <ratrace> Lope: you could but that's
permanent. "activating" a venv does that temporarily
(until you "deactivate")
658 [11:33:59] <ratrace> OR .... you could address the paths
inside venv absolutely, so you don't clobber your PATH
659 [11:34:06] <Lope> well, it's only as permanent as
updating .bashrc?
660 [11:34:24] <Lope> What's the reluctance to add a dir to
$PATH ?
661 [11:34:32] <ratrace> yes, but by "permanent" I mean
it will munge the PATH for _every_ bash session by that user. not
something you would always want
662 [11:35:05] <Lope> It doesn't bother me :) Should it?
663 [11:35:21] <Lope> all your $PATH are belong to us.
664 [11:35:59] <ratrace> depends. a script run as your user that
tries `python3` without absolute path will run the
virtualenv's. which is a container of sorts, doesn't have
access to global site-packages
665 [11:36:11] <Lope> <ratrace> Lope: then for each user
you can alias youtube-dl to
/usr/local/youtube-dl-venv/bin/youtube-dl <<< seems
reasonable
666 [11:36:30] <ratrace> so.... since this is python...... comply
with PEP20: The Zen of python and explicit > implicit. use
absolute paths
667 [11:36:32] <Lope> oh reheheheally. Interesting.
668 [11:36:55] <Lope> I'm not familiar with virtual envs,
will Check them out some time.
669 [11:37:30] <Lope> ratrace, BTW bud do you have any snippets
for firing up a KVM VM for quickly just booting an SSD with a VNC
path slapped on it?
670 [11:37:37] <ratrace> literally just a directory with
preinstalled python that's hardcoded to use libs inside that
venv _first_ . optionally (sym)linked to global site-packages
671 [11:37:59] <ratrace> Lope: sorry, nope
672 [11:38:06] <Lope> I'd like to be able to script KVM. Cos
I use libvirt normally, but libvirt is not that nice for a quick
script thing.
673 [11:38:21] <Lope> ratrace, I thought you said you use kvm
directly?
674 [11:38:26] <ratrace> I script all my VMs, but I don't do
VNC
675 [11:38:28] <Lope> qemu-kvm
676 [11:38:39] <Lope> ah, how do you get a view on them? spice?
677 [11:39:12] <ratrace> Lope: my VMs are servre role, so I use
whatever is default, which I think is is spice, yes
678 [11:39:17] <Lope> If you've got one with spice, that
would also be cool, if you have one that you could share.
679 [11:39:25] <ratrace> (unless I gpu passthru for the gaming
VM)
680 [11:40:00] <ratrace> Lope: there's no separate
incantation for that. it's default. you actually need -display
none to disable it
681 [11:40:01] <Lope> <ratrace> literally just a directory
... sounds good
682 [11:40:21] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, I mean I'm not worried
about the display aspect.
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684 [11:40:28] <Lope> Just looking for a snippet to get me going
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686 [11:40:38] <Lope> I can adjust the display aspect of it.
687 [11:41:11] <ratrace> Lope: here's one:
replaced-url
688 [11:42:05] <ratrace> with this I start the external
backup/recovery HDD in a VM to update it. there's bootable
debian on that, zfs rpool encrypted, with workstation data backup on
it oto
689 [11:42:11] <Lope> OMG, looking at this for 3 seconds, I can
feel myself slipping to the dark side. I can already feel I might
stop using libvirtd :/
690 [11:42:21] <Lope> fucking ratrace.
691 [11:42:23] <Lope> hahaha
692 [11:42:33] <ratrace> you _should_ stop using libvirtd.
it's just hand waving for the GUI
693 [11:42:39] <Lope> you always have to come with your 1337 shit
hahaha
694 [11:42:44] <shtrb> lol
695 [11:42:45] <ratrace> lol
696 [11:44:04] <ratrace> if you added -display none it'd
start fully headless (it'll still show the virtual vga to the
VM, which you can additionally disable with -vga none if you wish)
697 [11:44:05] <shtrb> Speaking of libvirtd how can I pass qemu
cirrus graphic option for vms ?
698 [11:44:11] <mripx> wild
699 [11:44:16] <Lope> I've literally got 3 scripts on my PC
now that start with 'ratrace-blah-blah-blah' I've
extracted the value out of one of them so far...
700 [11:44:38] <ratrace> hahahahaha
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702 [11:44:51] * shtrb has a ratrace solution text file :D
703 [11:45:12] <Lope> ratrace, sounds good, tips noted!
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705 [11:45:54] <ratrace> here's the WIP hack for the gaming
VM.... if you need it too.
replaced-url
706 [11:46:39] <ratrace> maybe I should shove that into the gpu
passthru wiki....
replaced-url
707 [11:47:24] <Lope> ratrace, I worked on my unshare chroot
inception script til 3am. adding in configurations. The
mount/unmount for interactive use or installing bootloaders etc is
all working nicely. almost finished the config aspects. Next will be
to test an install from scratch with it. My script also includes
stripe and mirror installs, but I'll finish those at some point
in future, when i need to do such installs again.
708 [11:48:02] <Lope> It's been time consuming as hell
making this script. But it's accelerating. It's worth it.
Doing these installs manually is a killer. And I generally always
make a few mistakes or forget things when doing it manually.
709 [11:48:10] * jelly understood some of those words
710 [11:48:59] <ratrace> Lope: I hear ya. I install debian (and
derivatives) only via debootstrap, and getting the (ansible
playbook) automation to do it was time consuming
711 [11:49:05] <Lope> ratrace, are you a debian contributor??
712 [11:49:16] <Lope> (one question-mark intended)
713 [11:49:17] <ratrace> not yet, still learning packaging
714 [11:49:33] <ratrace> but ye, I intend to grab some
maintainership mentorship later this year
715 [11:50:09] <Lope> Yeah, I pretty much only do debootstraps
since you indoctrinated me. It's been a blessing and a curse.
Can't bear normal installers anymore, for anything other than a
throwaway test install.
716 [11:50:37] <Lope> My previous only experience debootstrapping
was installing debian on Android.
717 [11:50:40] <ratrace> right. I only do zfs or btrfs rootfs
atop of LUKS and the installer can'd to it anyway
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719 [11:51:09] <Lope> anything the installers can do, they do
poorly for my needs, so I don't bother.
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721 [11:51:24] <Lope> debian/proxmox/ubuntu
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723 [11:51:35] <Lope> Not that I'd actually run ubuntu
anymore though.
724 [11:51:47] <Lope> Or proxmox for that matter.
725 [11:52:05] <ratrace> I was happy to hear Ubuntu would grow
ZFS installer capabilities but then they went ahead and shat all
over that with their NIH zsys....
726 [11:52:09] <Lope> Proxmox's value proposition is
extremely questionable for my needs.
727 [11:52:29] <Lope> I've developed a strong dislike of
proxmox. I've got 1 proxmox server left. I think it'll be
my last.
728 [11:52:50] <dreamer> I'm also migrating away from it,
but mostly because I'm primarily using docker these days
729 [11:52:55] <Lope> ratrace, ubuntu has NIH hardcore.
730 [11:53:05] <Lope> dreamer, I'm shuddering.
731 [11:53:10] <Lope> I HATE docker.
732 [11:53:15] <dreamer> I started using proxmox when using
containers was still relatively hard to do. and docker didn't
exist
733 [11:53:18] <dreamer> poor you
734 [11:53:19] <Lope> but okay, glad it's working for you.
735 [11:53:21] <dreamer> I love it
736 [11:53:21] <dreamer> makes my life so much easier
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738 [11:53:42] <dreamer> I hate having to provision entire
userspaces just to run a tiny application
739 [11:53:43] <Lope> gross
740 [11:54:01] <dob1> ,v postgresql
741 [11:54:02] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie:
9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u4; stretch:
9.6+181+deb9u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u3; buster-security:
11+200+deb10u3; buster: 11+200+deb10u4; bullseye: 13+224; sid:
13+224
742 [11:54:43] <shtrb> ratrace, your script would help in that
wiki
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745 [11:55:35] <Lope> ratrace, does your GPU passthru hide the
fact that it's a VM to prevent nvidia code 43?
746 [11:55:37] <ratrace> shtrb: yeah. there were a lot of gotchas
and hoops to get it finally working properly
747 [11:55:50] <ratrace> Lope: naturally, it wouldn't run
otherwise
748 [11:55:54] <Lope> Cool
749 [11:56:02] <Lope> Nvidia are such assholes for that.
750 [11:56:13] <Lope> And the fact that it's so easy to
circumvent.
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752 [11:56:24] <Lope> It's like why be douchebags at all.
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754 [11:57:43] <ratrace> also... and I have yet to get hit by
that.... some games will detect VM and refuse to run
755 [11:57:56] <Lope> ratrace, I've 2 Nvidia GPU's
exactly the same make and model for my new system. I'm planning
to do passthru. Can I just blacklist all nvidia stuff somehow? Any
tips on that?
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757 [11:58:06] <Lope> For my linux GPU I've got an old ATI
GPU.
758 [11:58:06] <ratrace> mostly, if not only, games that do
multiplayer competitive herp derp with punkbuster-wannabe cheat
prevention something
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760 [11:58:40] <Lope> I've never done IOMMU before because
I've been on intel 4th gen i5 K series which gimped IOMMU.
761 [11:58:40] <ratrace> I've grown too old for competitive
multiplayer FPS, them kids these days and their sub 100msec reaction
times lol
762 [11:59:12] <ratrace> Lope: you switch the PCI LANE (very
important!) to the vfio-pci driver, for each lane you want to pass
through
763 [11:59:17] <Lope> ratrace, does Overwatch run?
764 [11:59:41] <Lope> ratrace, thinking to pass thru 2 GPU's
to one VM
765 [12:00:05] <Lope> interesting, so you're switching the
LANE, not the PCI-ID?
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767 [12:00:32] <Lope> I remember wendell from L1Techs talking
about difficulties doing IOMMU with multiple of the same card.
768 [12:00:37] <Lope> (which I have)
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770 [12:01:04] <ratrace> Lope: you actually switch device by its
ID, but you have to switch all the devices on the same lane due to
how iommu works
771 [12:01:35] <ratrace> which was a particular problem for my
old workstation that had .... incredibly...... ALL the USB ports on
the same lane, so I couldn't give some to the VM and some to
the host (keyboard and mouse for starters)
772 [12:01:47] <ratrace> had to buy pcie usb extension thingy
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774 [12:02:21] <ratrace> Lope: and then another problem hit 5.8
kernel where all the iommu groups changed and regrouped and I could
no longer run my VM because all of a sudden the gpu was in the same
group with the NIC
775 [12:02:28] <ratrace> but that got fixed for 5.9+
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777 [12:02:39] <ratrace> so, bullseye will be safe
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781 [12:03:44] <ratrace> Lope: "multiple of the same
card" if you mean two identical devices with identical pciiids
.... yes, I can imagine that to be a problem because you assing
vfio-pci driver by their pciids
782 [12:03:59] <ratrace> that's why for my new workstation I
bought two different cards :)
783 [12:04:31] <ratrace> (which has more to do with me not
needing more than a cheap-o fanless gpu for the host, and the
rtx3060ti behemoth for the gaming VM)
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788 [12:06:26] <ratrace> Lope: another important bit, you need to
reorder dependencies in module loading, by creating explicit deps,
so that vfio-pci driver grabs the hardware you want to pass through
_before_ its native driver
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790 [12:08:17] <ratrace> Lope: like this:
replaced-url
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815 [12:33:17] <Lope> amazing that they managed to screw up IOMMU
so badly in 5.8
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817 [12:33:57] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, but I actually want to
passthru all of the identical cards to the same VM, so hopefully
will be fine.
818 [12:34:49] <ksk> Yo. Is there anything about the upcoming
libgcrypt vulnerability you can point me to?
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821 [12:35:51] <Lope> ratrace, interesting. BTW My Gigabyte AM4
A520I (ITX) motherboard has IOMMU and bifurcation enabled, lolz.
822 [12:35:52] <ksk> nevermind, found something via google, and
there seems to be not CVE yet. (
replaced-url
823 [12:36:02] <Lope> It can bifurcate the 16X slot into 4x 4
824 [12:36:23] <Lope> Only problem is there doesn't seem to
be a riser that can break the single PCI slot into 4.
825 [12:36:36] <Lope> I saw one riser that can break it out into
2... for 93 GBP
826 [12:36:39] <Lope> Seems a bit steep
827 [12:37:06] <ksk> ,v libgcrypt20
828 [12:37:07] <judd> Package: libgcrypt20 on amd64 -- jessie:
1.6.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.6.3-2+deb8u8; stretch:
1.7.6-2+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.7.6-2+deb9u3; buster: 1.8.4-5;
bullseye: 1.8.7-2; sid: 1.8.7-2; experimental: 1.9.1-1
829 [12:37:45] <ksk> Okay, seems Debian is not effected at all,
only "1.9.0" has the flaw according to upstream.
830 [12:38:09] <Lope> ratrace, thanks for the vfio.conf I've
added it to my ratrace stash.
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832 [12:43:04] <ratrace> "The Ratrace Stash" :))
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834 [12:43:41] <ratrace> ksk: doesn't have a CVE yet, so
hard to track via Debian security tracker. but.... apparently only
affects Experimental
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836 [12:45:00] <ksk> yap, thanks for taking a look :)
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963 [14:41:22] <lt> anyway aware/willing to share a script to
install for new debian box for all available/often needed fonts?
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966 [14:42:29] <lt> it can be very tedious job to find the exact
missing font that breaks pdf file style!
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968 [14:43:41] <themill> PDFs should embed the fonts they need.
If they don't, then #debian is unlikely to know what fonts they
use.
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975 [14:49:33] <lt> themill: yes but when editing pdf with an
application like libreoffice draw, if the font is not installed then
it will be distorted
976 [14:50:13] <lt> I was trying to edit a file that I've
created on my previous debian box but I forgot which fonts I
installed back then
977 [14:50:44] <lt> now it's not likely that I'm going
to ever be able to edit correctly and have to rebuild from scratch
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983 [14:53:53] <themill> pdffonts will tell you the fonts that
are used
984 [14:54:18] <themill> but yes, PDFs are not designed to be
edited and you can never edit the correctly
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997 [15:03:17] <lt> themill: thank you for the break news :))
998 [15:03:31] <lt> can never be edited correctly ... awsome
999 [15:04:05] <lt> pdffonts part of poppler-utils
1000 [15:04:07] <lt> ?
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1038 [15:50:49] <ratrace> DSA-4843-1 , linux security update ...
am I halucinating or is this quite an unusual thing, the kernel
rebased to latest upstream 4.19 outside of a debian point release?
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1040 [15:51:14] <greycat> Security updates can happen at any time.
1041 [15:51:34] <ratrace> that's not what I mean ... I mean
kernel bumping version outside of debian point release
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1043 [15:52:09] <ratrace> 4.19.171 from 4.19.160
1044 [15:52:39] <greycat> If the security team felt that was the
only way to fix the security bug, they'll do it.
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1047 [15:53:49] <ratrace> right, but usually fixes are backported,
and kernel version rebased at point releases. note: usually. right?
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1049 [15:55:15] <ratrace> and hold on..... 4.19.171 does not
contain the futext fixes....
1050 [15:55:17] <ratrace> *futex
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1053 [15:56:21] <ratrace> !cve lookup CVE-2021-3347
1054 [15:56:21] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory
CVE-2021-3347 may be found at
replaced-url
1055 [15:56:32] <ratrace> oh it does. okay
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1059 [15:59:55] <ratrace> cuz that landed in 172, so that's a
bump to 171 plus patches fro 172.... bit messy.
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1071 [16:08:47] <Rodon> nmtui doenst show wifi list though
ncmli/nm-applet all works fine.. does nmtui need any settings ?
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1075 [16:10:50] <jstolarek> old webpage used to have a list of
released security updates. Where can I find this list on the new
webpage?
1076 [16:11:31] <greycat>
replaced-url
1077 [16:11:37] <jstolarek> thanks
1078 [16:11:52] <greycat> It doesn't have the linux one yet.
1079 [16:12:25] <jstolarek> yes, that's what I wanted to
check
1080 [16:12:28] <greycat> there's also
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1081 [16:12:57] <jelly> lts kernels themselves are _already_ just
backports of fixes
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1084 [16:13:43] <jelly> (except when they're not, because
upstream's choices of what goes into longterm kernels are
sometimes weird)
1085 [16:14:19] <ratrace> !dsa lookup DSA-4843-1
1086 [16:14:19] <dpkg> Information about the Debian Security
Announcement DSA-4843-1 may be found at
replaced-url
1087 [16:14:36] <jstolarek> BTW. is there maybe a way to access
the old homepage?
1088 [16:14:45] <ratrace> jelly: "just" backports of
fixes AND new features
1089 [16:16:28] <ratrace> (and yes, sometimes they're not
even backports of fixes)
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1091 [16:17:43] <MrBuck> what is best desktop recorder for debian
os users?
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1095 [16:19:28] <jstolarek> OBS?
1096 [16:19:51] <MrBuck> jstolarek: is it a name? not available in
software stire right?
1097 [16:19:56] <MrBuck> store*
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1099 [16:20:47] <MrBuck>
replaced-url
1100 [16:21:25] <MrBuck> the one packaged in software store
arn't even launching after installation example RecordmyDesktop
app
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1102 [16:22:44] <jstolarek> MrBuck: the package is called
obs-studio
1103 [16:23:01] <greycat> judd v obs-studio
1104 [16:23:02] <judd> Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch:
0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye:
26.1.2+dfsg1-1+b1; sid: 26.1.2+dfsg1-1+b1; stretch-multimedia:
1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1+deb10u1;
bullseye-multimedia: 1:26.1.1-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:26.1.1-dmo2
1105 [16:23:08] <n4dir> is software store even a debian thing?
1106 [16:23:09] <jstolarek> BTW what do you mean by software
store?
1107 [16:23:30] <MrBuck> jstolarek: Thank you
1108 [16:23:39] <greycat> most likely it means they're either
not on Debian at all, or they come from a foreign paradigm
1109 [16:23:50] <MrBuck> I often search in software store to know
if there are any software available
1110 [16:23:54] <MrBuck> it is handy to search
1111 [16:24:01] <jelly> or there's a Gnome package called
Software that looks like a store
1112 [16:24:06] <greycat> the more they speak, the more I lean
toward "not Debian"
1113 [16:24:07] <MrBuck> I am using debian 10
1114 [16:24:08] <MrBuck> gnome
1115 [16:24:28] <jelly> MrBuck, (we don't know which app that
store might be, and are guessing)
1116 [16:24:32] <Ede|Popede> maybe something gnome?
1117 [16:24:32] <jstolarek> still don't know what's
software store. Is that some gnome app?
1118 [16:25:14] <MrBuck> could be Gnome software center sorry
1119 [16:25:33] <MrBuck> I use apt to install
1120 [16:25:48] <MrBuck> but search there if any software I want
already exist
1121 [16:26:08] <MrBuck> GNOME Software Its name
1122 [16:27:11] <ratrace> is that thing integrated with flathub on
Debian? on Ubuntu, for example, it's integrated with snap store
so it interleaves results from both apt repos and snaps
1123 [16:27:37] <jelly> ratrace, it's also integrated with
fwupd on ubuntu
1124 [16:27:39] <ratrace> so if you have flatpak installed, will
gnome software center do the same, on Debian? anyone knows?
1125 [16:27:48] <jelly> "you got new firmware!"
1126 [16:28:01] <ratrace> is tom hanks involved in any way? :))
1127 [16:28:45] <Haohmaru> gnome, and its f*cked up names
1128 [16:28:50] <jelly> run, firmware, run
1129 [16:29:16] <ratrace> life is like a box of firmware upgrades.
you never know what you'll get.
1130 [16:29:45] <Haohmaru> innocent.rootkit32.drv
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1136 [16:33:07] <Brigo> ,v gnome-software
1137 [16:33:08] <judd> Package: gnome-software on amd64 --
stretch: 3.22.5-1; buster: 3.30.6-5; bullseye: 3.38.0-3; sid:
3.38.0-3
1138 [16:33:58] <Brigo> MrBuck, it is that aplication i have it
install too. It has a tab for configuring sources. By default it
gets them from sources.list, i think.
1139 [16:34:04] <n4dir> gnome feels more and more like something
like a different OS altogether. Well: to me
1140 [16:35:00] <Ede|Popede> windows with a linux kernel
1141 [16:35:19] <Haohmaru> i thought gnome wanted to look like
crApple OS
1142 [16:35:56] <azeem> Haohmaru: do you have a Debian question/
1143 [16:35:58] <azeem> ?
1144 [16:36:13] <Haohmaru> me? not at the moment
1145 [16:36:22] <ratrace> it did, it does. BIG news lately in
linux ecosystem media: gnome 4.0 will have the taskbar ....... brace
yourselves........ at the bottom!
1146 [16:36:27] <Brigo> though i don't like it, is is free
and optional, so gnome can do whatever they want and i am ok with
that.
1147 [16:36:30] <azeem> then please keep the chatter down
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1150 [16:37:39] <Haohmaru> k, 3 sentances for 7 minutes is too
much
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1152 [16:38:17] <Brigo> Haohmaru, it is not about sentences, dpkg
knows better:
1153 [16:38:19] <Brigo> !chat
1154 [16:38:19] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a
Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support
question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either
freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net,
chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your
choice at ##replaced-url
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1159 [16:41:01] <Ede|Popede> MrBuck: apt search $foo is nice, only
it uses the whole entry afaik, so expect some false positives. so |
grep $foo might be a help. also pretty good: debtags. only there are
a lot of packages with poor tagging. but which doesn't surprise
me at 60k packages.
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1161 [16:41:49] <n4dir> well, you can also do: apt-cache search
--names-only foo
1162 [16:42:11] <MrBuck> Ede|Popede: ok I will use it thank you
1163 [16:42:12] <n4dir> still grep might help, just saying
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1165 [16:42:46] <MrBuck> Brigo: ok
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1175 [16:48:51] <otisolsen70> I am creating a .deb package and
have mentioned /etc/* and /usr/bin/* in my mypackage.install file.
But the /usr/bin/* is installed in /bin/* instead of /usr/bin/*.
What am I doing wrong?
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1177 [16:49:44] <jelly> otisolsen70, which debian release are you
targeting and which version of debhelper is installed?
1178 [16:49:54] <otisolsen70> jelly, building on buster for buster
1179 [16:50:27] <jelly> huh
1180 [16:50:41] <otisolsen70> jelly, 10.7
1181 [16:50:57] <otisolsen70> debhelper: 12.1.1
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1183 [16:51:31] <avu> are you building on a system with merged
usrmerge?
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1186 [16:51:40] <otisolsen70> avu, no idea.
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1188 [16:51:54] <avu> otisolsen70: see if /bin is a symlink to
/usr/bin
1189 [16:52:25] <otisolsen70> avu, it is.
1190 [16:52:35] <avu> the build schroots used to build official
packages still run without usrmerge because it causes such problems
AFAIK
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1192 [16:52:58] <otisolsen70> Hmm... So /usr/bin = /bin now?
1193 [16:53:11] <greycat> on some systems, but not all
1194 [16:53:11] <avu> on system with usrmerge enabled, yes
1195 [16:53:20] <otisolsen70> I was just confused when I did
"which mybinary" and it said /bin/mybinary when I would
expect /usr in front of that
1196 [16:53:41] <otisolsen70> I have no idea about usrmerge. I
thought my system was pretty vanilla
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1198 [16:53:47] <otisolsen70> Is this usrmerge default?
1199 [16:53:58] <avu> usrmerge is default for fresh installations
of buster
1200 [16:54:06] <greycat> if you installed on Debian 9 or older,
and upgraded, and didn't install usrmerge, then you still have
separate /bin even in current testing
1201 [16:54:09] <avu> don't think it gets run on updates
1202 [16:54:30] <otisolsen70> So I can keep my install file as is?
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1205 [16:55:40] <avu> probably
1206 [16:56:19] <avu> again, official packages are build in
schroots with usrmerge disabled AFAIK because it can cause problems,
I don't understand which ones specifically though, maybe
somebody else has more insight
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1208 [16:57:47] <otisolsen70> Ok
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1210 [16:58:04] <otisolsen70> I am just building a custom package
for some personal tools that I put on a lot of machines I work on.
1211 [16:58:14] <otisolsen70> This is the procedure I use to build
packages:
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1213 [16:58:23] <otisolsen70> Is this correct? Or am I doing
something wrong?
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1218 [16:59:54] <otisolsen70> Here I have contents of the debian/
folder included:
replaced-url
1219 [17:00:30] <avu> so you're one of the two people still
using svn!
1220 [17:00:51] <otisolsen70> And contents of the install file
included herE:
replaced-url
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1223 [17:01:21] <otisolsen70> avu, yes I am. I have a working
setup that is stable and I like it. I did move to git for some
projects. But not this one.
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1254 [17:27:26] <overyander> if a package is in sid but not
buster, will it eventually be in buster or go straight to bullseye?
1255 [17:27:41] <greycat> No new packages are ever going to be
added to buster.
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1257 [17:28:19] <greycat> (exception: if it's some stupid lib
needed for a new bumped version of bind9 or samba triggered by a
security bug in bind9 or samba that can't be backported)
1258 [17:28:39] <greycat> Or you could stop making us guess, and
name the package.
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1262 [17:29:42] <overyander> lol
1263 [17:29:43] <overyander>
replaced-url
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1265 [17:30:36] <greycat> ,v freeipa-server
1266 [17:30:37] <judd> Package: freeipa-server on amd64 -- sid:
4.8.10-2+b1
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1268 [17:30:44] <greycat> oh, not even in testing
1269 [17:31:08] <greycat>
replaced-url
1270 [17:31:26] <greycat> "This package will soon be part of
the auto-openssl transition."
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1273 [17:34:09] <otisolsen70> When I run dch to change changelog,
the first line is mypackage (version) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium.
Why does it say UNREALEASED every time? I always change it to
stable. Is that correct?
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1275 [17:35:41] <ratrace> for some reason I woke up to a degraded
mdadm raid1 array, with zero clue where the effing eff has one
device gone, and how.
1276 [17:36:01] <otisolsen70> ratrace, run smartctl -x /dev/sdX
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1279 [17:37:42] <ratrace> no that's irrelevant. the device is
okay, alive and well. just suddenly missing from the array, and no
clues in the logs...
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1289 [17:45:53] <jelly> judd, file bin/nvme
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1291 [17:45:59] <judd> Search for bin/nvme in buster/amd64:
nvme-cli: usr/sbin/nvme
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1333 [18:37:34] <enkrypt> since a few days I've got redrawing
issues within Xorg on debian testing/sid, using nvidia binary
drivers. like I move around a window and it creates glitches all
over my screen, which disappear after a few seconds. sounds familiar
to anyone?
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1355 [18:52:40] <mi11k1> does anybody use teamviewer? i just
removed it. is it malicious?
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1358 [18:53:21] <sponix> mi11k1: it has done okay for me
1359 [18:53:42] <koollman> mi11k1: if you or the system
administrator didn't install it, it may be malicious.
Otherwise, I wouldn't say it is malicious, it is a remote
control/help tool
1360 [18:54:06] <mi11k1> sponix, ive been using pihole and i saw
weird activity
1361 [18:56:10] <mi11k1> i installed it .
replaced-url
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1363 [18:57:09] <mi11k1>
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1367 [18:58:59] <mi11k1> i removed it and it with cli and it had a
bunch of errors, and a bunch of notifications popped up on my
desktop for a second.
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1372 [19:04:38] <mi11k1> yepp, teamviewerd is doing extra
curricular activities.
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1394 [19:15:53] <sig_9> any word on 11 stable release?
1395 [19:16:25] <nkuttler> when it's ready
1396 [19:16:43] <sig_9> heh, yea good answer
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1455 [20:02:33] <bifunc2> searching for "privacy" in
replaced-url
1456 [20:02:53] <bifunc2> not a main focus of the distro?
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1459 [20:03:45] <sney> debian is an integration project, a
collection of tools. you can use those tools to make your system as
private as anything.
1460 [20:04:30] <sney> I'm sure if you read the debian
documentation rather than grepping for a single keyword, you'll
find something that describes a private/secure system, but it's
not necessarily a focus beyond providing sane universal defaults
1461 [20:04:42] <nkuttler> bifunc2: what would you expect debian
to do wrt privacy?
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1463 [20:06:16] <bifunc2> nkuttler never phone home (like
apple&ms (&ubuntu afaik)), not allow closed-source software
by default, etc. (it makes sense that 1 would follow from 2,
otherwise someone would have exposed it by now)
1464 [20:06:29] <sney> !dfsg
1465 [20:06:29] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
replaced-url
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1468 [20:07:02] <greycat> The freedom part is there. The paranoia
part, not so much. But there is some of it, removal of code from
browsers and so forth.
1469 [20:08:37] <bifunc2> greycat, so installing closed-source
packages first requires _manually_ adding those to sources.list?
1470 [20:08:52] <greycat> Yes, unless you installed with an
unofficial image.
1471 [20:08:57] <sney> right, debian is not excessively paranoid
about checking every package for phone-home code, preferring to
trust upstream as much as possible. but any time something DRM-ish
or non-free is discovered or will be potentially included in the
archive, it's not taken lightly
1472 [20:09:01] <nkuttler> bifunc2: unless you use the popularity
contest tool there isn't much you "phone home",
except maybe the packages you install that could appear in mirror
logs
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1474 [20:09:40] <bifunc2> ok great!
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1476 [20:09:46] <bifunc2> nice to know
1477 [20:09:54] <nkuttler> bifunc2: generally speaking you should
have network-level security though if this is important to you
1478 [20:10:04] <bifunc2> how mature is AppArmor on Debian 10.7?
1479 [20:10:09] <nkuttler> on top of os level
1480 [20:10:18] <bifunc2> yeah
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1484 [20:11:11] <bifunc2> my primary motivation for AppArmor is
that no software should be able to access anything in, e.g.,
~/documents
1485 [20:11:21] <bifunc2> is this behavior there by default, or
will it require further AppArmor customization?
1486 [20:11:43] <sney> bifunc2: it was considered good enough to
be included in stable, at least. profiles are in
'complain' mode by default to avoid people disabling it
system-wide when they have a problem. so you will need to tweak
slightly for enforce
1487 [20:12:43] <sney> we have some documentation on the wiki:
replaced-url
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1489 [20:13:46] <bifunc2> get forbidden error there. probably your
server doesn't like my vpn
1490 [20:14:08] <sney> likely, wikis are a common spam target
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1492 [20:14:32] <bifunc2> ok works via tor :)
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1495 [20:15:13] <bifunc2> overall it seems to me Debian is the
distro with the most solid defaults for AppArmor, privacy, and
reproducible builds
1496 [20:15:23] <bifunc2> i can't think of anything else that
beats debian here
1497 [20:15:28] <bifunc2> any thoughts?
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1499 [20:16:50] <sney> #debian is mostly debian users, so
we're likely to agree regardless
1500 [20:17:03] <bifunc2> :D
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1507 [20:21:56] <bifunc2> are there any good recent laptops out
there that can run on only free software?
1508 [20:22:11] <bifunc2> or are there always components nowadays
that require non-free? (like wifi and graphics)
1509 [20:22:13] <sney> that depends on whether you need wifi
1510 [20:24:25] <sney> the only modern-ish free software only wifi
controller that exists is the pci ath9k series, it maxes out at
802.11n but that may be fine depending on you use case. they are
readily available on ebay if you have a laptop that will let you
install an arbitrary nic
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1513 [20:25:40] <sney> the rest is pretty workable, post-2015
intel graphics needs firmware for full features but will generally
work for browsing/typing without, etc
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1515 [20:26:23] <bifunc2> what are some risks of the non-free
software for wifi/graphics? have such software been isolated in some
way to reduce risks?
1516 [20:27:49] <sney> since they are fully closed firmware blobs,
we don't really know for sure. it *seems* to just be
frequency-setting code in the case of wifi, and it's *unlikely*
that a major contributor like Intel would put anything malicious in
there, but...
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1518 [20:29:05] <sney> I am not aware of any specific security
research being done re: kernel firmware blobs, but I would be very
surprised if it isn't being done somewhere
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1521 [20:31:41] <zutat> bifunc2: would having all the source code
for a wifi driver make wifi any safer? :)
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1525 [20:33:39] <wsky> not really, no
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1536 [20:40:59] <bifunc2> well thanks all for the great discussion
:)
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1539 [20:41:54] <sney> np, thanks for the questions
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1597 [21:22:53] <hansh> is
replaced-url
1598 [21:23:34] <sney> looks fine here
1599 [21:23:48] <alex11> seems to be struggling to load, here
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1601 [21:23:58] <alex11> no immediate 404 but it hasn't
connected
1602 [21:24:01] <zutat> doesn't work properly in germany
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1604 [21:24:37] <hansh> for me, i can load
replaced-url
1605 [21:24:50] <hansh> (norway here)
1606 [21:25:03] <alex11> same,
replaced-url
1607 [21:25:43] <idlestranger> loads for me (endpoint in sweden)
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1635 [21:26:02] <sney> according to host, "cdimage.debian.org
is an alias for ftp.acc.umu.se" so maybe there's something
funky going on in western europe's routing
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1646 [21:26:10] -debhelper- Channel locked temporarily due to flood,
sorry for any inconvenience this may cause :-)
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1649 [21:27:21] <sney> I bet these netsplits are the same root
cause, since it's also affecting OFTC. /me mumbles about
something rotten in the state of denmark
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1652 [21:28:27] <zutat> :D it'd be lovely if the networking
from sweden to norway goes through denmark
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1654 [21:28:46] <sney> shakespearean, even. ;)
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1659 [21:30:04] <sponix2ipfw> hansh: tried a VPN?
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1661 [21:30:25] <hansh> sponix2ipfw, something similar, the page
loads fine from Waterloo, Canada
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1664 [21:31:17] <hansh> (told a server in canada to load a linux
image from that page with iPXE)
1665 [21:31:18] <sponix2ipfw> hansh: probably just a broken route
then
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1720 [22:19:06] <otisolsen70> I have now built a .deb package and
I want to publish it on my debian package repository. What is the
right way of doing that? I have built the package using these steps:
replaced-url
1721 [22:21:10] <sney> otisolsen70: #packaging on OFTC (note,
right now you are on freenode) may have better answers for you. aiui
all packages should be signed, and building for distribution should
be done in a builder chroot to ensure no unnecessary gunk from your
personal machine
1722 [22:21:44] <sney> the nmg covers the steps in more detail,
see
replaced-url
1723 [22:21:58] <otisolsen70> sney, how do I build in a builder
chroot? What am I missing from the steps in the link?
1724 [22:22:14] <otisolsen70> sney, this is not something that
will be published to the official debian mirrors.
1725 [22:22:23] <otisolsen70> sney, these are my personal projects
1726 [22:22:29] <otisolsen70> ..
1727 [22:23:44] <sney> that's fine, but it's still best
to follow best practices for package building regardless of who the
package is for
1728 [22:24:04] <sney> (and the packaging channel I referred to
above is explicitly for packages *not* to be included in debian)
1729 [22:24:25] <sney> pbuilder or cowbuilder are 2 tools that can
build in a chroot, I've used pbuilder in the past, it's
pretty straightforward.
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1731 [22:25:21] <otisolsen70> sney, ok
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1733 [22:26:32] <sney> and see the man page for debsign(1) for
more information on signing the package
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1748 [22:42:32] <dff> im having an issue where i have to source
.profile each time for my environment variables to be read, shouldnt
this be done on login?
1749 [22:42:53] <dff> im using bah
1750 [22:42:55] <dff> bash*
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1782 [23:07:36] <ayekat> dff: depends how you log in, but if
everything is set up correctly, yes
1783 [23:08:16] <ayekat> dff: but check the INVOCATION section in
bash(1) - bash check two other files first before falling back to
~/.profile
1784 [23:08:51] <greycat> If you login with a Display Manager
(gui) then there is no login shell, so nothing ever reads ~/.profile
or the other two files.
1785 [23:09:02] <ayekat> (or well, "correctly" -
it's perfectly fine to have a setup where ~/.profile is not
sourced by bash)
1786 [23:09:17] <greycat>
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1790 [23:11:29] <jhutchins> dff: What login variable are you
sourcing? There's probably a better way to achieve whatever
you're trying to do.
1791 [23:12:12] <greycat> Knowing the variable would be important
because some of them get clobbered by some Desktop Environments.
1792 [23:12:27] <digitalirony> Is there a way to disable cdrom and
enable apt mirrors at the end of a preseed? Else when I boot my
machine(im using automation with packer/ansible), it fails that the
cdrom doesn't exist as soon as it tries to run apt-get update
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1794 [23:12:40] <greycat> So, we need to know how you are logging
in, what Desktop Environment you ultimately run (if any), and what
you are trying to do. Specifically.
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1797 [23:13:27] <Zareem> Hi ive burned debian image to my
raspberry pi 4 8gb, its up and running but how can add a user for
ssh? i do not have any micro hdmi cable so...
1798 [23:13:40] <greycat> If it's something like "I want
to set LANG and LC_TIME to different values, and I use GNOME"
then the answer is "Sorry charlie. You can't."
1799 [23:14:40] <greycat> Zareem: ssh in with whatever user you
*do* have, become root, and run adduser to add another one
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1801 [23:15:45] <ayekat> digitalirony: AFAICT there's `d-i
mirror/...` settings - but not sure if those are adopted by the
installed system as well...
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1805 [23:16:09] <Zareem> greycat cant find any documentation of
any default user besides pi, which does not work to ssh in as... :/
is there any way of running a script after boot without any terminal
access?
1806 [23:17:14] <Zareem> ive tried to set root pass via
sysconfig.txt and added my ssh pubkey but it still wont let me ssh
as root
1807 [23:17:14] <sney> Zareem: see answer #4 at
replaced-url
1808 [23:17:53] <Zareem> @sney i tried that
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1812 [23:18:05] <jhutchins> Zareem: We're not saying to ssh
AS root, we're saying to ssh as pi and become root.
1813 [23:18:08] <sney> then you probably messed up some syntax,
try it again
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1815 [23:18:14] <deadrom> hi all
1816 [23:19:26] <greycat> I'll say it: ssh as root if that
works.
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1818 [23:19:56] <deadrom> created an mdadm raid5, metadata 1.2, 4
devices with 1 partition, raid type, on an ubuntu 18.04 machine.
transplanted the entire set into a deb8 machine. deb8 sees the
disks, but not the partitions. what's too old, mdadm, kernel,
all of debian, me..?
1819 [23:20:46] <sney> probably kernel, though hammering mdadm
--assemble with various options might improve the situation
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1824 [23:22:16] <digitalirony> ayekat: perhaps you can point me to
better documentation on the apt-setup part of the preseed docs? I
have my own repos I can and would rather add, then having it install
from cdrom. But the docs I see are examples, none of which really
relate to my needs
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1828 [23:23:33] <ayekat> digitalirony: to be honest, I have never
really found anything really extensive in the Debian docs either :-(
1829 [23:23:41] <ayekat> digitalirony: but this one I have found
to be quite useful:
replaced-url
1830 [23:24:15] <ayekat> (note that it's been a few years
(Debian 8) since I wrote preseed configs, so I can't tell if
it's still applicable)
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1835 [23:25:32] <ayekat> hmmm - I can't see the option I
wrote about in there, though - maybe not *that* extensive (or I just
misunderstood it...)
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1837 [23:26:12] <ayekat> digitalirony: btw, AFAIK the installer
will put the CD option in sources.list if the packages were
installed from the CD, and a network mirror otherwise (e.g.
netinstall)
1838 [23:26:31] <deadrom> sney: nope, I riveted the raid on the
raw devices. must have been late.
1839 [23:26:38] <ayekat> so perhaps you could just perform the
installation via network already and see if that solves the
issue...?
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1842 [23:28:42] <sney> deadrom: welp, maybe
jessie-backports's kernel will fix you up. remember, all of the
work in md raid is done by the linux kernel. mdadm is just the
administration tool. if you built the raid with ubuntu's 4.15
or 5.3, it's entirely possible that jessie's 4.9 is
missing something
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1845 [23:30:06] <sney> er, that's the bpo kernel. regular
jessie has 3.16.
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1854 [23:36:21] <deadrom> sney: nono, mystery solved, I tthought I
created raid type partitions, seems in some kind of fever dream I
used the raw device for --create
1855 [23:36:28] <sponix2ipfw> sney: so is 5.10 branch going to be
a Long Term one ?
1856 [23:36:37] <deadrom> raid is up. and yes, that machine is
queued for upgrade...
1857 [23:36:53] <sney> aha
1858 [23:36:55] <sney> sponix2ipfw: no idea
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1868 [23:42:28] <sponix2ipfw> sney: the "internet" all
say 5.10 is LTS 6 years -- Except this new article saying it might
only get 2 years ->
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1870 [23:44:16] <sney> sponix2ipfw: you can take quotes from
gregkh at face value, I certainly don't know anything that he
doesn't. though debian's kernel team will provide
"long term" support for debian stable kernels regardless
of what upstream considers their status to be
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1885 [23:52:15] <sponix2ipfw> sney: Yeah good point
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