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9[00:06:16] <jscoder> i just got my orange pi lite today and installed jessie on it. i was wondering if anyone could suggest a method for screen casting ,y android phone to the pi
10[00:06:17] <forcerecon> Tomorrow we work on wireless!
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17[00:07:38] <jscoder> seems like it ,ay be easier to screencast netflix than to get it to work on debian
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257[00:27:10] <glick> the new testing is buster right?
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259[00:27:59] <abrotman> yes
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262[00:28:33] <forcerecon> off topic a little.. when you go to add gmail to thunderbird it asks for confirmation and you to log into gmail, but when the box pops up it does not allow you to do anything
263[00:28:36] <missmbob> glick: replaced-url
264[00:28:45] <forcerecon> your email address is there but the next button does not work
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266[00:28:54] <jscoder> maybe screencast is the wrong word for that. im looking to mirror my android screen onto the orange pi running jessie
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275[00:30:33] * jscoder found something called sevensquare
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281[00:31:32] <Epx998> Can someone tell me what vga driver is used during the netboot installation?
282[00:31:40] <Epx998> boot_vga ?
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286[00:32:52] <mniip> is it possible to "patch" a kernel module before it is compiled by DKMS?
287[00:33:13] <jhutchins> mniip: Possible.
288[00:33:28] <mniip> I mean, aside from taking a deb apart by hands
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290[00:34:13] <jhutchins> mniip: Yes, you would install the source. dkms uses sources, not .deb binaries.
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293[00:34:28] <jhutchins> mniip: "compile" is the step that converts source code to binary.
294[00:35:16] <mniip> I'm fairly sure these sources come from the deb
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296[00:36:05] <jscoder> heh
297[00:36:10] <mniip> indeed
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299[00:36:46] <jscoder> lets all recognize debs are compressed archives with metadata and move on :p
300[00:37:15] <mniip> well, that's obvious
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305[00:38:22] <mniip> so, how would I apply a patch
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313[00:40:51] <jscoder> not sure but seems to me you can just patch the source dkms uses
314[00:41:18] <mniip> so just in /usr/src ?
315[00:41:34] <jscoder> dkms is ,erely taking source and building a module on new image installs
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321[00:43:14] <jscoder> this little keyboard has the keys layed out even rather than the staggered rows most keyboards have. gonna take me awhile to stop accidentally pressing vomma for m
322[00:43:29] <BAKLAVAKA> ok yes. i have a stable working deb 9 install with xfce, if anyone wants tips
323[00:43:35] <BAKLAVAKA> nvidia works, all ok
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326[00:44:12] <jscoder> i just got my orange pi lite today and got jessie on it so im good
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328[00:44:53] <BAKLAVAKA> only problem is that MATE is a problem on 9
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331[00:45:14] <BAKLAVAKA> but xfce4 works good at 300MB RAM at desktop
332[00:46:01] <BAKLAVAKA> i had one problem with base install and then building it up to xfce 4 -- keyboard didnt work at lightdm login. but full install from cd1 didnt have the problem
333[00:46:12] <BAKLAVAKA> what is hte problem there, huh???
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335[00:47:24] <BAKLAVAKA> also, droid fonts are messed up recently. bad move. but cantarell works ok
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337[00:47:39] <pvoigt> On my test system I have just upgraded from Jessie to Stretch. How do I upgrade my LXC containers to Stretch as well. Inside the container I have adapted sources.list and now I get from "apt-get update": "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: EF0F382A1A7B6500".
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339[00:48:19] <pvoigt> Is it just the matter of apt-key the new key?
340[00:48:27] <BAKLAVAKA> yeah
341[00:48:51] <pvoigt> BAKLAVAKA: Thanks, will try...
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343[00:49:00] <BAKLAVAKA> OK
344[00:50:33] <BAKLAVAKA> when is SECURE BOOT coming
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349[00:51:56] <abrotman> !wir
350[00:51:57] <dpkg> wir is probably When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>.
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359[00:54:11] <BAKLAVAKA> does anyone know if intel baytrail ystem freeze is fixed in 4.9 LTS d9?
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369[00:58:54] <Agafnd> hey, how do I find the device name of a flash drive?
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372[00:59:27] <Agafnd> i need to cp an iso to a usb drive but I don't know the device name
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374[00:59:42] <toruvinn> Agafnd, first of all, be super cautious now.
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376[00:59:51] <Agafnd> yeah, definitely
377[00:59:52] <toruvinn> Agafnd, second, if you've just plugged it in, see dmesg output.
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381[01:00:31] <vlt> Agafnd: If it's auto-mounted you could look at the putput of `mount` or `df`.
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384[01:00:36] <vlt> *output
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389[01:01:08] <Agafnd> oh! yes, it's /dev/sdb1
390[01:01:09] <BAKLAVAKA> Agafnd: in terminal, "mount" or gparted
391[01:01:15] <jhutchins> BAKLAVAKA: What does it say in the changelog?
392[01:01:21] <BAKLAVAKA> you will see mounted drives
393[01:01:30] <BAKLAVAKA> what
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397[01:02:02] <jhutchins> BAKLAVAKA: ...about baytrail.
398[01:02:05] <toruvinn> Agafnd, are you trying to make a bootable pendrive from a hybrid .iso image?
399[01:02:20] <Agafnd> toruvinn: a netinstaller actually
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401[01:02:24] <toruvinn> Agafnd, because i think in that case you dont want to cp it and not to a partition on the pendrive (so not sdb1, probably sdb)
402[01:02:45] <jhutchins> toruvinn: cp works too.
403[01:02:50] <mutante> nowadays "cp" should just work too
404[01:03:07] <jhutchins> Yeah, I've tested both.
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406[01:03:21] <Agafnd> I can use `sudo cp firmware-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb1`, no?
407[01:03:28] <jhutchins> Agafnd: No.
408[01:03:40] <Agafnd> jhutchins: ?
409[01:03:42] <jhutchins> Agafnd: /dev/sdb NOT /dev/sdb1
410[01:03:43] <toruvinn> Agafnd, not sdb1
411[01:03:50] <Agafnd> why exactly?
412[01:03:54] <BAKLAVAKA> jhutchins: it is a known c-state bug that will not be fixed. basically, you have to put something in grub/gummiboot paramaters that lowers battery life. otherwise, system freeze at loads. not all bay trails (i have a few systems)
413[01:04:14] <jhutchins> Agafnd: You are writing a disk image, which includes partition(s) and partition table and everything.
414[01:04:29] <jhutchins> Agafnd: You don't format it, you just write the image.
415[01:04:30] <vlt> Agafnd: `umount /dev/sdb1` before you `cat firmware... > /dev/sdb`
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417[01:04:53] <jhutchins> vlt: cat, that was the third command that works.
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419[01:05:16] <jhutchins> Supposedly some people notice dd being faster if you specify the right blocksize.
420[01:05:18] <fulcan> my cinnamon blew up after an update and now no desktop (and most other programs) won't install replaced-url
421[01:05:30] * vlt missed the first two :-D
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424[01:05:48] <mutante> cinnamon?
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427[01:06:24] <jhutchins> fulcan: You might try reinstall
428[01:06:30] <toruvinn> jhutchins, pv < file > device would work too, if you have pv. and would display some progress! ;-)
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430[01:06:38] <toruvinn> even without <, if i recall correctly.
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432[01:06:54] <vlt> Or ddrescue
433[01:06:59] <fulcan> jhutchins I get the same error
434[01:07:01] <toruvinn> or countless more ;-)
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436[01:07:17] <Agafnd> okay, so, i done `umount /dev/sdb1`, and now i can do `sudo cp firmware-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb`. Correct?
437[01:07:23] <BAKLAVAKA> does anyone know why live isos cannot mount cdrom from usb?
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439[01:07:36] <BAKLAVAKA> when trying to instal from live cd
440[01:07:37] <mutante> why do we need to make a pen drive at all? can't we use etherboot.org directly from debian.org or something ?:)
441[01:08:16] <BAKLAVAKA> mutante: it is possible if u deconstruct the construct
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452[01:14:21] <pvoigt> BAKLAVAKA: Success, containers upgraded.
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456[01:18:04] <BAKLAVAKA> pvoigt: so far 9 stuff is similar to 8
457[01:18:14] <BAKLAVAKA> EG nvidia install
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459[01:21:19] <pvoigt> BAKLAVAKA: Thanks, I am once again fighting against systemd to make it use my encrypted swap. I currently obviously uses the encrypted swap but gives a swap related shutdown error. Unfortunately it disappears to fast to fully read it.
460[01:21:59] <BAKLAVAKA> hhhhhhmmm oh
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463[01:23:41] <BAKLAVAKA> my goal each time is to set up a single usb drive with all updates deb files and install in folders, so u can do offline install completely on all systems
464[01:23:52] <BAKLAVAKA> i have this down good now
465[01:23:53] <pvoigt> I could just pick up "Stopped (with error) /dev/dm-0"
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480[01:27:02] <alden_> I'm trying to use "TimeoutStartSec=infinity" as documented in replaced-url
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492[01:31:16] <Samwan> I must say the Debian installer is quite buggy at the moment
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495[01:32:19] <Violinist> how
496[01:32:19] <bazhang> Samwan, file some bugs then
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501[01:33:58] <Samwan> It stops the installation of the base system between 90 and 97 % to tell me that it can't access the installation media on /media/cdrom anymore
502[01:34:22] <Samwan> If I then open another terminal to re mount it into the desired directory, it still fails to read
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506[01:35:14] <Samwan> I thought my USB stick might be defective so I used another one but it continues happening. It's 1 AM so I'm too tired to actually study the source of the installer now but I will report back when I find out why this happens, tomorrow
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508[01:36:38] <Samwan> A funny hint might be, that my USB stick "remounts" many times during the process. Its /dev/sdb on the first step, ends up being /dev/sde when the error occurs. Without me unplugging or re mounting it
509[01:37:03] <ashka> hi, with the release of stretch, is wheezy-backports going to get a linux update for DSA-3886-1? thanks
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513[01:39:44] <BAKLAVAKA> probably
514[01:40:23] <Epx998> Are there video driver modules for netboot to resolve getting no video during the netboot installation?
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520[01:42:27] <pvoigt> For all who may have similar systemd shutdown error messages: replaced-url
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547[02:02:28] <tw> Epx998: have you tried the nomodeset kernel option, just to get through installation?
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557[02:08:14] <Epx998> tw: I ended up using video and vga appends, seems to be working good now.
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574[02:17:48] <dunderproto> I'd like to dual boot debian and OpenBSD. I'm installing debian first, and I have one primary partition and 4 logical partitions for debian, and I'm leaving space for one primary partition for OpenBSD. I heard someone warn that the primary partitions have to appear at the front of the drive for compatibility reasons. Is this true or mere rumor? I'm using an older PC (~2006) with x86_64 architecture. I
575[02:17:54] <dunderproto> can provide more details if it helps.
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584[02:23:58] <dunderproto> The debian installer seems to present the idea that the logical/primary partitions are separate entities, whereas I thought the logical partitions should be encapsulated by the one primary partition (the primary partition should act like a container)
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592[02:26:51] <glick> doe sanyone here use eclipse and pydev?
593[02:26:58] <glick> im having some issues with on debina
594[02:27:00] <glick> debian
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596[02:27:12] <glick> i know it snot a specific debian issue...probably
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601[02:29:27] <jelly> dunderproto: assuming MBR partition table format, the order of partitions does not matter for linux, and the installer will act sanely wrt that one primary partition acting like a container ("extended" partition)
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603[02:30:23] <jelly> dunderproto: GPT is cleaner, if openbsd supports it consider using that
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610[02:31:51] <dunderproto> jelly: thanks
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627[02:36:41] <mutante> how to find out why a package was dropped in stretch that existed in jessie? in this case, planet-venus. was it just due to inactivity/unmaintained? sigh
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629[02:38:26] <Agafnd> i'm having trouble adding myself to the sudoers file...
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631[02:39:02] <mutante> Agafnd: use "visudo" command to edit it
632[02:39:34] <Agafnd> mutante, what is the syntax exactly?
633[02:39:40] <Agafnd> or where is the documentation
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635[02:40:30] <mutante> Agafnd: visudo and "man visudo"
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638[02:42:35] <Agafnd> ...what do I type into /etc/sudoers once i have run visudo?
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640[02:43:25] <mutante> Agafnd: depends what you want to achieve
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642[02:43:46] <Agafnd> i just want to add a user, let's say "agafnd" to the sudoers file
643[02:44:02] <Agafnd> so that agafnd can perform administrative tasks with sudo
644[02:44:07] <mutante> what do you want that user to be able to run as root ?
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646[02:44:24] <mutante> anything?
647[02:44:25] <jelly> mutante: check for rc-bugs on bugs.debian.org or eg. replaced-url
648[02:44:36] <mutante> jelly: thanks
649[02:44:53] <Agafnd> mutante, anything. agafnd is the only user on this box
650[02:45:07] <kathenas> Agafnd: The best method is to become root using su. Next: adduser <your_username> sudo then reboot. And then you can sudo away.
651[02:45:08] <mutante> Agafnd: if you want "any command as any user" without limitations, then: foobar ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
652[02:45:11] <mutante> where foobar is the user
653[02:45:16] <LtL> Agafnd: as root type # adduser usernane sudo ; logout/login, open a shell type groups
654[02:45:31] <mutante> or that :)
655[02:45:40] <Agafnd> oh, i need to reboot/login
656[02:45:42] <Agafnd> ok brb
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659[02:45:53] <LtL> logout login
660[02:45:59] <mutante> no rebooting needed
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662[02:46:07] <kathenas> logout login does not work if using gnome.
663[02:46:30] <mutante> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ? does that still restart X?
664[02:46:34] <LtL> kathenas: sure it does iirc
665[02:46:50] <jelly> mutante: disabled by default since... Debian 6 ir 7
666[02:46:58] <kathenas> LtL: Didn't when I did that on a fresh 9 instal lthis morning. ;-)
667[02:47:00] <mutante> uhmm..ok
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670[02:47:29] <LtL> kathenas: works on 8.8 so you may be correct
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673[02:48:07] <jmak642> question: i have downloaded all 3 of the debian 9 dvd iso files. i'd like to use a usb drive to boot. i know i can dd the first iso file onto the drive and it will boot, but how can i access the other 2 iso files? should I create additional partitions on the usb for these or ?
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676[02:48:45] <Agafnd> sudo works now! :D
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679[02:49:00] <mutante> jelly: i wonder what planet.debian.org will use since planet-venus got dropped, heh, but thanks for the link, that does say something about bugs. *nod*
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681[02:49:14] <glick> i should probably set up sudo on my machine
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684[02:49:17] <gry> Agafnd, congrats
685[02:49:19] <mutante> i sure hope that Planet Debian will keep using a proper debian package from stable
686[02:49:26] <mutante> so i can use the same
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688[02:50:16] <jelly> mutante: "keep using" doesn't seem possible if they already use a patched, unreleased once
689[02:50:18] <jelly> one*
690[02:50:30] <mutante> jelly: arrrg :(
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692[02:50:42] <mutante> something something dogfood
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694[02:50:55] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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697[02:51:50] <Fallenour> Jelly: have you tried any NAS tech on debian?
698[02:52:16] <mutante> jelly: thanks anyways.. i'll try to find out what exactly it uses.. and if it is planet-pluto or something
699[02:52:44] <Fallenour> mutante: Pluto is only a planet as per world renowned expert Jerry.
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701[02:53:15] <mutante> Fallenour: lol, i know. i should just fork planet-venus and make planet-eris
702[02:53:46] <mutante> -pluto uses ruby, -venus is python
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704[02:55:43] <jelly> Fallenour: no, why ask me?
705[02:55:55] <jelly> !ask
706[02:55:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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708[02:58:16] <jmak642> I did, I guess I'm just gonna make my own way, I assume if I just create additional partitions and write the iso's into them it will work fine
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722[03:02:44] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
723[03:02:55] <NapoleonWils0n> just install firefox 54 and its much faster
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730[03:11:56] <forcerecon> anyone out there using claws mail
731[03:12:07] <gry> i have one at home computer
732[03:12:09] <gry> also #claws
733[03:12:28] <forcerecon> nice.. do you happen to know the terminal apt-get
734[03:12:47] <gry> yes
735[03:13:14] <forcerecon> that would be awesome if you could share it :)
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737[03:13:27] <gry> share package name for claws mail ?
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740[03:13:55] <gry> it is "claws-mail"
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742[03:14:07] <gry> so, "sudo apt-get install claws-mail" works
743[03:14:08] <forcerecon> thanks i just read it
744[03:14:12] <gry> ok
745[03:14:17] <forcerecon> $ sudo apt-get install claws-mail
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747[03:15:20] <mutante> jelly: apparently there is "rawdog" to produce a planet-like feed, also using Python and feedparser:) i'll try that. thanks
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749[03:18:02] <forcerecon> should you do a sudo apt-get remove or apt-get purge when it comes to uninstallation
750[03:18:19] <forcerecon> I would like to remove thunderbird completely
751[03:18:24] <forcerecon> so what is the best option
752[03:18:47] <gry> purge
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761[03:30:18] <user> hello I just installed debian 9 cinnamon last night and realized that the wifi wasn't working, so I plugged in an ethernet cord and started reserching and made it so my /etc/apt/sources.list now sais main contrib non-free instead of every main, then I installed firmware-iwlwifi and it still doesn't work, this is what lspci | grep -i wireless gives me: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
762[03:30:18] <user> what do I do?
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769[03:35:08] <xk> hi why can't I install debian stretch? I used dd to create a usb installer, but it said "failed to copy files from cd-rom" retry doesn't work. both kde and xfce have the same problem.
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771[03:36:01] <LtL> user: did you reboot?
772[03:36:15] <bnw> xk, did you dd to a partition?
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775[03:36:40] <bnw> like dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdx1
776[03:36:50] <xk> bnw, no to a whole disk
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779[03:37:32] <xk> I searched online a lot of people said this is a bug
780[03:38:15] <bnw> No idea. Never experience similar situation before
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782[03:38:34] <kathenas> xk: Is this a live ISO. If so, they are all bad that I have tested. All fail to copy ealy into installer.
783[03:38:57] <kathenas> s/ealy/early
784[03:39:00] <xk> bnw, have you tried the usb way of installing stretch ?
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786[03:39:38] <bnw> xk, yep, success with debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
787[03:39:42] <xk> kathenas, yes a live iso, about 2 more giga size. so you mean the iso is problematic?
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789[03:39:58] <xk> bnw, well that's weird
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792[03:40:11] <kathenas> xk: Yes. Best to use as suggested just now or net intsall ISO if possible.
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796[03:40:41] <xk> getting more weird now
797[03:40:49] <MichaelP> i now know why the debian 9 netinstall would not boot... downloaded arm64 insted of amd64
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799[03:41:19] <bnw> MichaelP, lol
800[03:42:45] <xk> bnw, debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso not debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso?
801[03:43:00] <MichaelP> bnw: 32 inch screen 6 feet away arm64 and amd64 look alike lol
802[03:43:35] <bnw> xk, debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
803[03:43:52] <user> Any ideas?
804[03:43:53] <xk> bnw, you should try the live version, the latter one
805[03:44:26] <xk> bnw, so I just need to download the cd1, no need of the cd2 and cd3?
806[03:44:39] <user> yes
807[03:44:46] <user> that's what I did
808[03:44:51] <user> and it works
809[03:45:01] <glick> is anyone here running buster?
810[03:45:01] <user> exept for the wifi situation
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812[03:45:16] <bnw> xk, and I don't find debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso from my mirror of choice (USTC)
813[03:45:27] <xk> bnw, what?
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815[03:45:45] <bnw> replaced-url
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817[03:46:30] <mutante> bnw: it's right there, but -CD-1.iso ?
818[03:46:33] <bnw> Do we have debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso in the official repo?
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822[03:48:19] <user> is the wifi problem because I installed cinnamon?
823[03:49:08] <user> because I installed linux mint cinnamon for my step aunt before and it had the same problem
824[03:50:01] <xk> bnw, I get it, will just download a netinst iso instead, but hopefully the live version will be fixed soon.
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826[03:50:31] <mutante> user: no, because you used hardware with a chipset that Intel doesn't release specs for, so people can't write a free driver.. or so
827[03:50:33] <xk> bnw, I downloaded this replaced-url
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831[03:51:14] <sumyunseal> hey umm
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833[03:51:31] <sumyunseal> do i not need to install fuse anymore for sshfs
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835[03:51:54] <sumyunseal> its not showing in repo anymore
836[03:52:07] <sumyunseal> and sshfs mounds with out fuse just fien
837[03:52:08] <xk> but how could such a bug is still not fixed I don't know.
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840[03:53:04] <xk> I m so disappointed
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842[03:53:23] <gry> xk, is there a bug report ?
843[03:53:34] <xk> yes there is one.
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845[03:54:12] <gry> is it recent ?
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847[03:55:21] <kathenas> New live images are being tested. replaced-url
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850[03:55:56] <tw> sumyunseal: sshfs still depends on fuse.
851[03:56:12] <xk> gry, it is I just can't find it now I saw it days ago
852[03:56:46] <gry> xk it would be nice to find it in case it's super old and there is an unresolved barrier. if it's recent then it would be fixed soon
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854[03:57:46] <xk> here is one: replaced-url
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857[03:58:39] <sumyunseal> guuuuuuuuuyz
858[03:58:42] <sumyunseal> fuse
859[03:58:56] <sumyunseal> sshfs without fuse?
860[03:58:57] <gry> replaced-url
861[03:58:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
862[03:59:06] <xk> replaced-url
863[03:59:07] <sumyunseal> why is it working w out fuse
864[03:59:07] <gry> it's recent, i hope it will be fixed soon
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866[03:59:33] <xk> thank you see you
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868[04:00:12] <kathenas> For a quick article/run down on the live ISO issue. replaced-url
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871[04:00:45] <royiv> Does anyone know what the message,
872[04:00:47] <royiv> E: The value 'stable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
873[04:00:53] <royiv> is about?
874[04:01:10] <royiv> I just received this after doing what I thought was a normal apt-get update.
875[04:01:16] <royiv> (I get this from aptitude)
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881[04:04:02] <alexertech> hi! someone here with debian as vmware guest?
882[04:04:20] <alexertech> I'm having issues with the copy & paste from the host and the vm
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907[04:17:52] <TinkerTi1er> Okay, can someone tell who I am?
908[04:18:06] <TinkerTi1er> Ah, I see the problem.
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912[04:18:33] <TinkerTiger> Dorkburger.
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922[04:23:24] <TinkerTiger> I apologize for using such strong language.
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926[04:24:54] <DJd34d1> not sure if I should submit this as a security issue yet, so I came here for advice
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928[04:25:32] <DJd34d1> I noticed the addresses in my update is httpredir
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940[04:32:25] <wingman2> DJd34d1: replaced-url
941[04:32:48] <wingman2> httpredir.debian.org has been discontinued because of lack of maintenance and now redirects to replaced-url
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944[04:35:03] <DJd34d1> never noticed it hitting httpredir before. got suspicious when it replaced my keyring the other day and now wants to upgrade more security pieces
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947[04:35:30] <hemebond> Is it at all possible to restrict the search domains on a PPTP connection using NetworkManager?
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952[04:39:41] <DJd34d1> wingman2: current output of apt-get upgrade
953[04:39:50] <DJd34d1> replaced-url
954[04:40:13] <DJd34d1> is it legit?
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957[04:42:16] <wingman2> yeah It was a service that redirected you to other servers that were physically closer
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962[04:43:49] <jaggz> bah.. I want debian-next on freenode.. why's it on oftc?
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964[04:44:21] <jaggz> do we handle stretch now here too?
965[04:44:31] <jaggz> My dist-upgrade says: libkf5screen-bin : Breaks: kscreen (< 4:5.8) but 1.0.2.1-1 is to be installed
966[04:45:45] <DJd34d1> cool. thanks. I'm not as up on that side of it as I should be and not a very good wiki-er either
967[04:46:06] <dvs> jaggz, I had that too when I upgraded. I uninstalled kscreen to fix it.
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985[05:01:43] <random_numbers> So, does Debian's systemd setup read /etc/crypttab automatically? So that this replaced-url
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1070[06:10:18] <user> I just installed debian 9 last night and i wanted to install open suse to a usb stick but when i open brasero it shows the iso but doesn't recognise the usb stick yet the file manager does, what do I do?
1071[06:11:32] <jaggz> trying to remove kscreen results in a bunch of other package dependency errors: replaced-url
1072[06:11:34] <jaggz> sigh
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1088[06:18:58] <r0bby> How cute
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1096[06:19:20] <television> what
1097[06:19:22] <Gurty> tss
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1100[06:19:29] <random_numbers> Again...
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1102[06:19:39] <r0bby> I swear they're beyond idiotic
1103[06:19:48] <nauticalnexus> .-.
1104[06:19:58] <r0bby> script kiddies are probably the dumbest.
1105[06:20:11] <random_numbers> I'm wondering just why they even bother. Who's going to join it with that boring topic and the fact it looks suspicious as can be?
1106[06:20:13] <mutante> sounds like 4chan is saying hi
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1115[06:28:11] <gry> random_numbers, what irc client are you using if I may ask?
1116[06:28:23] <likcoras> Is there any reason to have both cpufrequtils and laptop-mode-tools?
1117[06:28:39] <random_numbers> gry: Why do you ask?
1118[06:28:45] <likcoras> if lmt is handling the cpu frequency scaling
1119[06:28:58] <gry> random_numbers, in case I may find a script which prevents your irc client from pinging you on the spamming
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1127[06:37:57] <jaggz> okay.. that comment was washed out. Sigh. I had stretch update dependency issues with kscreen. Someone here said they removed kscreen to fix that but, when trying to remove kscreen, apt-get shows a bunch of other package dependency errors: replaced-url
1128[06:38:33] <jaggz> a bunch of libqt5* "not going to be installed", and even an akonadi
1129[06:38:45] <jaggz> are we discussing stretch yet in here or should I go to oftc?
1130[06:39:11] <dax> stretch is on-topic in here, since it's now stable
1131[06:41:11] <mutante> ^ waited so long to see this exchange :) yay
1132[06:41:14] <dunderproto> In the debian installer, when the package manager is configuring itself, debian isn't able to find any mirror in any country. At first, I thought it might be a network problem, so I dropped into the shell and tested ping 8.8.8.8, and that worked fine
1133[06:41:58] <dunderproto> Is there any dns tool in the base install that I can test out to see if it is a dns error? If not, what else could the issue be? I've tested several servers on different continents and my pc can't connect to any of them
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1137[06:46:20] <likcoras> dunderproto: try host or dig, I guess. Any concrete errors? What does the installer actually tell you?
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1142[06:47:41] <dunderproto> likcoras: "An error has been detected...possible reasons are "incorrect mirror specified; mirror is not available (possibly due to an unreliable network connection); mirror is broken (for example because an invalid Release file was found); mirror does not support the correct Debian version)'
1143[06:48:26] <dunderproto> console 4 (alt+f4) reports 'WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (stretch)'
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1145[06:48:43] <dunderproto> likcoras: neither dig nor host are present at this point in the install
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1147[06:49:34] <dunderproto> likcoras: Ah, I tested wget and it doesn't work: 'unable to resolve host address'
1148[06:49:42] <dunderproto> I'm guessing this is a DNS issue
1149[06:49:55] <likcoras> There we go! I helped, right? right?
1150[06:49:58] <likcoras> :P
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1152[06:50:27] <dunderproto> likcoras: Yes, thanks :) You helped me re-read the instructions, sometimes that is all it takes
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1161[06:55:37] <dunderproto> likcoras: Great, it's fixed now. I just replaced the domain name with the ip address
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1206[07:38:36] <iodev> leibniz: ispired nick choice, I hate integrals, leibniz-newton :D
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1266[08:19:00] <dga> is there a way to install debian from the nonfree debian live (gnome) desktop once it's launched? I can't find anything anywhere and when I choose to install upon booting, it fails to find a CDROM and forces me to abort the installation (I'm booting from a USB drive)
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1273[08:24:02] <towo^work> dga, replaced-url
1274[08:24:03] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1276[08:25:37] <dga> towo^work: Thank you
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1280[08:27:41] <dga> Grabbing the nonfree netinst image now :D
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1284[08:28:48] <new-nick1> Hi there all, dropping to get enlightment today. When apt-get install, Firefox ESR is kept back.
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1287[08:29:54] <new-nick1> Why is that so ? Package updater showing Firefox ESR 52.2 is available to install. But apt-get is preferred method. Current Firefox is 45.9
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1290[08:31:00] <BenNZ> new-nick: which version of mint are you using 54 should be the latest
1291[08:31:13] <new-nick1> Debian 8
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1295[08:31:54] <new-nick1> BenNZ: does Firefox ESR already reached 54 ?
1296[08:32:06] <BenNZ> have you tried apt firefox-esr
1297[08:32:45] <new-nick1> BenNZ: apt-get is usual method for updating and installation of packages
1298[08:32:49] <BenNZ> new-nick1: apt-get install firefox-esr
1299[08:33:01] <new-nick1> BenNZ: ok, i try
1300[08:33:21] <BenNZ> new-nick1: sorry 54 non esr
1301[08:33:54] <new-nick1> BenNZ: apt-get install firefox-esr is downloading new package and installing.
1302[08:34:28] <shtrb> Is there a package that will disable telemtry on most tools ? (firefox and what ever app that does that )
1303[08:34:41] <new-nick1> BenNZ: can you explain, firefox and firefox esr different packages. I will refer to the packages details from the repository too
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1305[08:35:17] <BenNZ> new-nick1: lts and non lts , as far as im aware
1306[08:35:56] <new-nick1> BenNZ: ESR is long LTS, right
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1310[08:36:30] <new-nick1> BenNZ: Thank you, Firefox is updated to 52.2.
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1312[08:37:13] <new-nick1> And I have to dig around ensure apt-get update Firefox to latest instead of running apt-get install firefox-esr
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1348[08:50:52] <pragomer> I have a "Radeon HD 3450/3470" graphics in my laptop. Only have 1024x768. What packages to install under stretch?
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1350[08:51:23] <towo^work> firmware-amd-graphics is installed?
1351[08:52:25] <pragomer> ah no, it wasnt. just installing...
1352[08:52:34] <pragomer> and rebooting
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1355[08:53:53] <pragomer> just worked perfect. thank you :-)
1356[08:54:13] <new-nick1> hi, talking about firmware and drivers, is there way to check list of hardware details with Debian like with device manager in Windows ? Command line will be fine too
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1358[08:54:46] <mutante> new-nick1: one is "lspci"
1359[08:55:02] <borsin> new-nick1: lshw
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1382[09:04:39] <shtrb> apt-get install -d xul-ext-greasemonkey 2G of deps ?!
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1388[09:07:11] <shamoanjac> heh
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1390[09:07:30] <shamoanjac> sounds like when you try to install a KDE program but you use GNOME
1391[09:07:43] <shamoanjac> so you have to download gigs and gigs of KDE and Qt dependencies
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1393[09:08:34] <shtrb> I don't think the greasemonkey addon or firefox take that much
1394[09:08:37] <shamoanjac> only to find out you don't like Kate that much so you have to apt-get autoremove and wait for more hours
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1396[09:08:45] <shamoanjac> yeah, it sounds weird
1397[09:08:45] <shtrb> :D
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1399[09:09:03] <shtrb> let's take it to offtopic
1400[09:09:11] <new-nick1> thanks mutante and borsin
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1410[09:13:21] <whathapme> hi i'm trying to install stretch so hard but
1411[09:13:34] <whathapme> after selecting the mirror i get stuck at the 6 of 8 thing dowloading. is just infinite
1412[09:13:41] <whathapme> or really slow...
1413[09:13:55] <whathapme> i tried different mirrors
1414[09:14:10] <shtrb> whathapme , if you can use apt-get install -d and try to use your local repo and not trust the redirect
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1417[09:14:45] <whathapme> what confuse me is that is only one file
1418[09:14:48] <whathapme> but it take a life
1419[09:14:50] <whathapme> i have a fast net
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1422[09:15:21] <shtrb> It might be the other side , it may be the cache (many ISPs have cache enabled )
1423[09:15:43] <shtrb> so if you hit a file which is not in cache it will be slower than direct download ( in case of http / ftp download)
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1438[09:20:56] <darme> anyone else have problems with mpv? :) i get mpv: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libass.so.5: undefined symbol: FT_Outline_EmboldenXY
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1441[09:22:28] <darme> ahh... its infinality crap.
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1448[09:24:52] <shtrb> I wonder if you can use jigso to get deb packages for an upgrade
1449[09:25:56] <shtrb> whathapme , can you try getting the upgrade iso and extracting the files from it (with jogso / bt etc)
1450[09:26:25] <shtrb> *jidgo
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1452[09:26:36] <new-nick1> an other thing is that, how to we add rule to gufw to use vsftpd on LAN ? I have vsftpd running and local machine is accessible not from LAN as Gufw is running.
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1454[09:27:28] <new-nick1> How to I add rule to let firewall allow LAN access to running ftp ? Also, doesn't want to be accessed from WAN.
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1460[09:27:52] <jaggz> what's pinning my packages to 0? I can't get my dist-upgrade to work
1461[09:28:09] <jaggz> (on the current stretch.. just doing an update)
1462[09:28:17] <shtrb> new-nick1 , iptables ?
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1466[09:28:45] <jaggz> and each of these packages that's "not to be installed" shows 0 in the priority.. I don't have any preferences files at all
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1470[09:29:38] <shtrb> did you manually pinn any package ?
1471[09:29:50] <jaggz> not that I remember
1472[09:30:02] <new-nick1> shtrb: maybe iptables, not sure. Using Gufw GUI front-end for firewall.
1473[09:30:35] <new-nick1> shtrb: dont want to touch iptables manually to compromise security.
1474[09:30:40] <jaggz> shtrb, and I certainly didn't pin kscreen or kde-cli-tools or exim4-* stuff..
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1477[09:31:12] <jelly> dpkg, tell jaggz about basic apt troubleshooting
1478[09:31:15] <new-nick1> Since Gufw from Ubuntu, should I refer to Ubuntu this ?
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1485[09:33:36] <darxmurf> hi all
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1489[09:33:56] <superlinux> hello
1490[09:34:03] <jaggz> jelly, replaced-url
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1493[09:34:27] <superlinux> i have a server that's now jessie. should I move to stretch?
1494[09:34:40] <darxmurf> depends of what you are doing with :D
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1497[09:34:55] <superlinux> email server and smb and ssh
1498[09:34:58] <shtrb> new-nick1 , I'm do know that tool , but it should be something like iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -m conntract --cstate ESTABISHED, NEW -j ACCEPT (and to choose if you will support passive or active mode )
1499[09:35:00] <darxmurf> huh, nagios-nrpe-server is complaining -> error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8
1500[09:35:10] <darxmurf> there is no more libssl 0.9.8 on stretch ?
1501[09:35:12] <shamoanjac> superlinux, what's important is that you get the security updates, then
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1503[09:35:25] <superlinux> ok.
1504[09:35:27] <shamoanjac> and nothing else, if it already works fine
1505[09:35:36] <new-nick1> shtrb: what personal firewall do you use ? I am curious
1506[09:35:38] <shamoanjac> I would personally move to Stretch
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1508[09:35:54] <shtrb> new-nick1: don't paste that rule because I forgot to add the incoming range
1509[09:35:59] <shtrb> new-nick1: iptables
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1511[09:37:28] <jelly> jaggz: sounds like you maybe did not do dpkg --audit and a final dist-upgrade before switching to stretch
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1513[09:38:04] <shtrb> new-nick1 , should be something like iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m iprange --src-range=10.0.0.1-10.0.0.138 --dport 21 -m conntract --cstate ESTABISHED, NEW -j ACCEPT (and to choose if you will support passive or active mode ) - assuming you have drop all approach
1514[09:38:08] <new-nick1> shtrb: ok, i didn't add. For now, I continue doing what I am doing. Turn of firewall when used from LAN.
1515[09:38:11] <jaggz> jelly, oh crikey. I thought I followed the instructions exactly
1516[09:38:25] <jelly> jaggz: the easy way out is to do something like "dpkg --force-depends --remove kscreen" temporarily
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1518[09:38:52] <shtrb> new-nick1 - that is a bad thing , I would stongly suggest you to drop ftp (security wise)
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1520[09:39:34] <new-nick1> shtrb: wait a minute,
1521[09:39:43] <new-nick1> sftp is prefered way to ftp ?
1522[09:40:11] <Ben64> yes
1523[09:40:17] <new-nick1> the basic requirement is that want to browse files and download from web browser without sftp client
1524[09:40:17] <shtrb> new-nick1 , choose what ever you like which has security in mind - don't drop the firewall
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1528[09:40:32] <jelly> new-nick1: sftp is an alternative to ftp, but a completely different protocol based on ssh
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1530[09:40:44] <new-nick1> shtrb: great. firewall is always on.
1531[09:40:51] <shtrb> new-nick1 , webdavs , https , if you have kio installed you can even use sshfs
1532[09:41:01] <jaggz> jelly, it's working.. damn..
1533[09:41:04] <jelly> sshfs is just a sftp client.
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1535[09:41:15] <new-nick1> jelly: get it. gone through sftp, ftp, ftp secure.
1536[09:41:23] <shtrb> jelly , I though it was a fuse app
1537[09:41:33] <jelly> it is. it's a fuse-based sftp client.
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1540[09:42:32] <shamoanjac> jelly, why not simply wrap FTP into TLS?
1541[09:42:32] <new-nick1> thank u jelly
1542[09:42:36] <shamoanjac> like HTTPS does
1543[09:43:08] <shtrb> shamoanjac , that is called ftps and it has it's own issues
1544[09:43:20] <jelly> shamoanjac: because that's far from simple
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1546[09:43:40] <shtrb> shamoanjac , the passive /active mode is very different from just https
1547[09:43:57] <jelly> ftp is a rather broken protocol
1548[09:44:10] <shtrb> jelly , I think sshfs support other stuff than sftp (so it is more than an sftp client)
1549[09:44:19] <new-nick1> thanks shtrb. i consider webdavs for now.
1550[09:44:19] <jelly> shtrb: nope
1551[09:44:31] <shtrb> new-nick1 , webdavS
1552[09:44:38] <shamoanjac> well, I remember I could just change the default socket of the HTTP Server module of Python and replace it by a TLS socket, and I'd get instant HTTPS
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1554[09:44:59] <shamoanjac> so I thought FTP would be just as simple
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1557[09:45:12] <jelly> if ftp was just as simple it wouldn't need replacing
1558[09:45:13] <shtrb> shamoananjac , in ftp you have another channel
1559[09:45:24] <jelly> but it isn't
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1565[09:48:25] <whathapme> in the end it jus finished
1566[09:48:51] <whathapme> but to get the de now require
1567[09:48:57] <whathapme> 3 hours and half....
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1569[09:49:06] <whathapme> looks like the mirrors can't handle
1570[09:49:13] <shtrb> whathapme , did you try bt/jigdo ?
1571[09:49:18] <whathapme> no
1572[09:49:18] <shtrb> and extract the iso
1573[09:49:38] <whathapme> 5 hours*
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1575[09:50:06] <whathapme> it's like i'm doing 100 kb/s
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1577[09:51:07] <whathapme> i got the message
1578[09:51:10] <whathapme> i will get a full iso
1579[09:51:32] <whathapme> not sure where it is
1580[09:51:52] <whathapme> i see only the iso with xfce
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1582[09:52:08] <whathapme> ok this replaced-url
1583[09:52:37] <whathapme> 10 mins to get this instaed of 4 hours
1584[09:52:40] <whathapme> what's wrong with the mirrors
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1588[09:54:03] <whathapme> i don't know if can install a full debian without network tbh
1589[09:54:09] <whathapme> that iso is not descripted
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1591[09:54:36] <Iridos> you're using one mirror, not "the mirrors"
1592[09:54:45] <whathapme> i tried 2 mirrors
1593[09:54:48] <whathapme> in 2 different locations
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1596[09:55:01] <whathapme> and 2 different mirrors in each location
1597[09:55:05] <Iridos> one in arctica, one in antarctica ^^
1598[09:55:15] <whathapme> one is swiss one is italy
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1601[09:55:44] <shtrb> whathapme , try a different continent
1602[09:55:52] <whathapme> i don't need anymore
1603[09:55:56] <whathapme> i almost got the dvd
1604[09:56:15] <Iridos> dpkg, apt-spy
1605[09:56:15] <dpkg> The apt-spy utility can automatically create a list of APT data sources to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list, based on bandwidth tests. Not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release due to bug #779468. See also <sources.list>.
1606[09:56:32] <Iridos> oh
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1608[09:56:44] <Iridos> #779468
1609[09:56:57] <Iridos> bug #779468
1610[09:57:10] <Iridos> wasn't there an automatic reaction to that
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1615[09:59:40] <Iridos> so who had the genius idea to remove an easily parsable mirrors.txt and replace it with some html schmock
1616[10:00:11] <shtrb> What do you mean ?
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1643[10:07:44] <jelly> judd: bug #779468
1644[10:07:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1645[10:07:57] <jelly> blah blah #779468 blah
1646[10:08:02] <jelly> hmm
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1679[10:27:19] <ullf09721> Hello,how can I generate isolinux.bin,I already have kernel,initrd.gz and isolinux.cfg?
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1683[10:28:07] <ullf09721> I just want to create minimal linux
1684[10:28:59] <shtrb> mkisofs ?
1685[10:29:21] <ullf09721> In debian is called genisoimage
1686[10:29:54] <shtrb> sorry I was wrong , it take the isolinux.bin as input
1687[10:31:02] <shtrb> I think you can that file from other iso
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1689[10:31:28] <ullf09721> Yes,
1690[10:31:52] <shtrb> just use it , and generate the iso with it + cfg and other files
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1692[10:32:42] <ullf09721> ok,thanks
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1709[10:45:05] <j4ckcom> i can install debian on android phone?
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1711[10:46:13] <shtrb> ullf09721 , isolinux should also have it
1712[10:47:16] <j4ckcom> No one is here?
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1715[10:49:53] <jelly> [crickets]
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1717[10:51:23] <celyr> hamsters
1718[10:51:24] <ullf09721> Yes,you can
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1720[10:51:43] <ullf09721> but you need to have root rights
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1723[10:53:22] <j4ckcom> replaced-url
1724[10:54:07] <j4ckcom> ullf09721: ?
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1726[10:56:47] <ullf09721> this is cool
1727[10:57:12] <ullf09721> If you don't to have root,it's better
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1730[10:58:15] <ullf09721> You can download an image for arm from web-site
1731[10:58:21] <ullf09721> of debian
1732[10:59:42] <j4ckcom> oh
1733[11:00:01] <ullf09721> what?
1734[11:00:21] <j4ckcom> i can install program with ‘apt-get install xxx’ after installing this debian app?
1735[11:00:39] <darxmurf> hum what shoul I configure to avoid "Error: Could not complete SSL handshake with" error with nagios-nrpe-server 3 ?
1736[11:00:53] <darxmurf> just upgraded now and It's kicking me out
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1738[11:01:14] <ullf09721> Maybe you need to configure it?
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1740[11:01:25] <j4ckcom> oh
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1742[11:01:31] <j4ckcom> thanks
1743[11:01:38] <ullf09721> you are welcome
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1746[11:04:14] <darxmurf> ullf09721: obviously yes but under 2.x version there was no issues
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1753[11:07:00] <ullf09721> Maybe it's compiled without ssl,it can be/
1754[11:07:03] <ullf09721> ?
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1759[11:09:09] <darxmurf> I would find this quite weird in this case Oo
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1762[11:10:31] <ullf09721> Here you go: replaced-url
1763[11:10:39] <ullf09721> Just compile it your self
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1765[11:11:07] <ullf09721> with libssl
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1768[11:13:29] <jelly> darxmurf: where does this error happen? On client connecting to server? On server? Where precisely do you see it?
1769[11:13:31] <jelly> !ask
1770[11:13:31] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1771[11:14:14] <jelly> ,v depends nagios-nrpe-server
1772[11:14:15] <judd> No package named 'depends' was found in amd64.
1773[11:14:18] <jelly> ,depends nagios-nrpe-server
1774[11:14:19] <judd> Package nagios-nrpe-server in stretch/amd64 -- depends: lsb-base, libc6 (>= 2.15), libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), init-system-helpers (>= 1.18~),adduser.
1775[11:14:34] <ullf09721> judd,perfect
1776[11:14:37] <jelly> already built with ssl
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1789[11:21:10] <lukas_gab> Hi. I install Debian 9 on VirtualBox. I install xrdp. When I connect from Windows rdp and login I see only mouse arrow ...How can I fix it ? When I install Debian 8 this works ootb. Thanks for help and your time.
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1807[11:31:44] <ullf09721> use ssh
1808[11:32:31] <shtrb> lukas_gab , if you log in using a linux machine do you get the same issue ?
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1813[11:34:38] <shtrb> lukas_gab , also you can try using guacamole as an RDP gateway - it usually just works (without any special issues)
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1834[11:46:07] <lukas_gab> when i login in virutalbox machine all i fine
1835[11:46:24] <lukas_gab> I try install guacamole on my debian machine
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1837[11:47:13] <shtrb> guacamole , is an rdp engine - so you could just log in using a browser
1838[11:47:30] <lukas_gab> uch
1839[11:47:35] <shtrb> *remote access gateway , support rdp ,vnc , ssh , telnet etc
1840[11:47:43] <lukas_gab> guacamole is ughly
1841[11:47:50] <lukas_gab> so fat and so lot of java ;p
1842[11:47:51] <shtrb> it's a browser based app
1843[11:47:56] <lukas_gab> but I install
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1845[11:48:05] <ullf09721> just use ssh
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1847[11:48:20] <Guest86838> congrats on debian 9 !
1848[11:48:22] <shtrb> lukas_gab , maybe you can ping the debian maintainer and he will package the new apache only stuff
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1853[11:48:57] <ullf09721> or maybe it's unstable on debian 9?
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1855[11:49:58] <lukas_gab> ssh is bad for my use
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1858[11:50:19] <lukas_gab> This is machine for recording ip cameras, and I must have vision
1859[11:50:52] <lukas_gab> ok I Install guacamole on debian, but how can I login to this machine ?
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1861[11:52:40] <ullf09721> Why you can't use ssh?
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1863[11:52:51] <shtrb> you open a browser , and write the guacamoleip:port/ in the browser
1864[11:53:09] <shtrb> from there it work as normal but using a webbrowser
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1866[11:53:37] <shtrb> I use it mostly to manage windows (over rdp) , I don't need file sharing so I don't care that much about it
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1869[11:54:38] <shtrb> you can also use xming on windows, but that is just ugly , vnc is also an option (if you don't like browser based access)
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1872[11:55:06] <rafalcpp> you know what would vastly improve debian world?
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1875[11:55:14] <ullf09721> what?
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1878[11:55:26] <slax0r> was not aware it needed improvement
1879[11:55:27] <rafalcpp> if the devel of screensaver who 1) defaults it to ON by default (other then blank screen) - wasting cpu
1880[11:55:36] <vyadha> I am trying to select all filenames in a file with cut -d ' ' -f 1 sources.txt a but this fails if any of the filenames have spaces, how to deal with spaces in filenames, test file looks like replaced-url
1881[11:55:42] <rafalcpp> 2) defaults it to download some stupid text from URL (lower privacy etc)
1882[11:55:51] <rafalcpp> could be found and then beaten up with a 2 by 4
1883[11:55:57] <ullf09721> put double quotes
1884[11:56:09] <lukas_gab> ok but guacamolo on witch port is on default ?
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1886[11:56:13] <ullf09721> Example: "Program Files"
1887[11:56:19] <rafalcpp> if same fate could be applied to the one who defaults to pc speaker being on, debian experience would be better by 20%
1888[11:56:23] <lukas_gab> i instal like - apt-get install guacamole i no more
1889[11:56:26] <lukas_gab> configuration
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1892[11:57:15] <shtrb> lukas_gab , 8888
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1894[11:57:30] <lukas_gab> ok, I will try
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1896[11:57:52] <shtrb> example : replaced-url
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1898[11:58:09] <shtrb> you also need to configure that to access your rdp machine
1899[11:58:22] <shtrb> *vnc
1900[11:58:46] <ullf09721> documantation and google
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1909[12:03:07] <lukas_gab> it's not working. Its so fat crap. Ok, thank you for your help, but a will goole how in right way configure xrdp
1910[12:03:14] <lukas_gab> xrdp is light and fast
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1912[12:03:20] <shtrb> ok , sorry
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1915[12:03:37] <ullf09721> This can be usefull: replaced-url
1916[12:03:46] <ullf09721> I found there about rdb
1917[12:03:54] <ullf09721> rdp
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1920[12:06:23] <shtrb> ullf09721 , he already switched back
1921[12:06:34] <ullf09721> ok
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1923[12:06:53] <shtrb> I would be so happy when the DD will update the version in debian
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1925[12:07:15] <shtrb> The current version in stretch , buster and sid is very old
1926[12:07:47] <ullf09721> but you can download a newer versionand compile it your self
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1928[12:08:14] <shtrb> that is not the debian way
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1932[12:11:09] <ullf09721> but it's a good practice
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1937[12:12:26] <ullf09721> ok
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1941[12:14:19] <yossarianuk> hi - a freind is having an issue upgrading from deb8->9 - he's getting an issue with /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist (not being valid format)
1942[12:14:25] <yossarianuk> any ideas ?
1943[12:14:47] <ullf09721> I htink that debian 9 is not stable yet
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1945[12:15:06] <towo^work> rm /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist
1946[12:15:16] <gry> ullf09721, i believe it was released last saturday
1947[12:15:20] <gry> err sunday
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1949[12:15:27] <yossarianuk> ‎ullf09721‎: it is now a stable release
1950[12:15:35] <yossarianuk> debian 8 is now old-stable
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1986[12:36:18] <shtrb> gry , saturday
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1988[12:39:35] <gry> Sorry, I think sunday for me, i am in utc+10 - but I will tell everyone it was 'that last weekend' for a bit :)
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1990[12:39:55] <shamoanjac> just say "the other day" until Debian 10 stable is out :
1991[12:39:56] <shamoanjac> :)
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1993[12:40:06] <gry> :)
1994[12:40:45] <wowas> Xen 4.8 on Debian 9 with a 4.9 Kernel works!:)
1995[12:41:27] <yossarianuk> works with KVM too....
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2001[12:44:49] <shtrb> Bloody sysemd #%#
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2003[12:44:57] <shtrb> sorry , wrong place
2004[12:45:58] <ullf09721> I'm usung 4.11.5
2005[12:47:16] <rafalcpp> shtrb: maybe try Devuan the debian's fork that is system-d free. #devuan . works fine for me (I use both)
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2008[12:47:47] <ullf09721> for me too
2009[12:47:48] <rafalcpp> gry: sunday? are you in UTC+50 or something? it's wed
2010[12:47:50] <shtrb> rafalcpp , again sorry pasted in the wrong place
2011[12:48:16] <gry> rafalcpp, the release happened on sunday for me, if i am not mistaken. I am not speaking of today.
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2040[13:07:01] <forcerecon> Goodmorning #debian
2041[13:07:17] <forcerecon> So who wants to help me on the road to wireless
2042[13:07:19] <tremolo> Good morning, forcerecon
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2044[13:07:33] <shtrb> Good morning forceercon , install firmware
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2047[13:08:15] <forcerecon> yeah, not sure where to get it from, and when I did a clean install of stretch to my PC I used the firmware, non free iso.. so not sure what's next since it was not installed already
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2049[13:08:50] <shtrb> non free iso == non offical iso ?
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2051[13:09:08] <shtrb> do you have network access from that pc ?
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2053[13:09:16] <cvr> anyone know of a package or been able to build plex-media-player on stretch?
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2055[13:09:24] <forcerecon> yes I am using wired atm
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2057[13:09:49] <shtrb> forcerecon , do you know what card is it ? (lspci / lshw to identify )
2058[13:09:51] <shtrb> and model
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2070[13:12:38] <forcerecon> replaced-url
2071[13:12:41] <forcerecon> not sure I even see it there
2072[13:13:11] <forcerecon> I know the realtek and the intel are the wired ports
2073[13:13:42] <shtrb> I'm still trying to connect there , it seems that my nice ISP does not like debian.net
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2076[13:15:19] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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2078[13:15:34] <forcerecon> maybe that one.. shhh.. not suppose to use that here. ;)
2079[13:15:58] <shtrb> WTF , why did that one worked !@$!
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2082[13:18:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
2083[13:18:16] <shtrb> It's BCM4352 , you need load bcm43xx and I'll try to find you the firmware
2084[13:18:21] <shtrb> Good morning BluesKaj
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2086[13:18:46] <shtrb> forcerecon , check broadcom-sta-dkms
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2088[13:19:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning shtrb
2089[13:19:16] <shtrb> or try to load load wl (modprobe wl)
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2091[13:22:36] <shtrb> Any other altice user can check if they can check if they can access paste.debian.net ?
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2093[13:22:56] <cvr> works here
2094[13:23:26] <shtrb> And I was about to curse Altice for their shitty service
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2106[13:28:52] <ThCTLo> hi, can someone explain why in resolv.conf domain and search are used in debian installations, while The domain and search keywords are mutually exclusive.
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2109[13:30:00] <shtrb> They are ?
2110[13:30:06] <BluesKaj> ThCTLo, on stretch?
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2112[13:30:08] <ThCTLo> yes,
2113[13:30:21] <ThCTLo> man resolv.conf is telling me that.
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2115[13:30:32] <ThCTLo> so im questioning why this is.
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2118[13:31:12] <jelly> ThCTLo: those actually work next to each other without issues, regardless of what manual says
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2120[13:31:38] <ThCTLo> yes i know, but why it is setup this way any other reason.
2121[13:31:48] <jelly> it's just redundant to specify domain, first one in search is used instead
2122[13:32:20] <ThCTLo> ok, that i can use, thanks!
2123[13:32:23] <jelly> ThCTLo: either noone reported this cosmetic issue so far, or someone reported it but it wasn't deemed important to fix
2124[13:32:38] <ThCTLo> its a thingy on the samba list
2125[13:33:03] <forcerecon> shtrb: checking out the asrock motherboard manual
2126[13:33:08] <forcerecon> it must list it there
2127[13:33:24] <shtrb> what ?
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2130[13:33:37] <BluesKaj> ThCTLo, it's now systemd-networkd on upgraded debians
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2132[13:33:45] <shtrb> Forcerecon , replaced-url
2133[13:33:54] <forcerecon> WLAN: 1 x 2T2R Dual Band 802.11ac WiFi + BT v4.0 Module, 1 x ASRock WiFi 2.4/5 GHz Antenna
2134[13:34:02] <jelly> ThCTLo: won't be fixed if noone actually reports it on debian's bug tracker, (eg. using "reportbug" tool)
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2136[13:35:02] <jelly> ThCTLo: if you choose to do that, you'll probably want to figure out whether installer did this when you configured a static address, or your system got this info from your DHCP server
2137[13:35:05] <forcerecon> 2T2R 802.11ac WiFi (2.4G / 5G WiFi) module - in the machine
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2139[13:35:44] <ThCTLo> all static, all setting i use are default from the base installation. but 'll go read the systemd-networkd man.
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2162[13:41:26] <forcerecon> shtrb: with that information I provided should I still move forward on broadcom?
2163[13:41:31] <forcerecon> thanks for support
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2166[13:42:54] <shtrb> forceercon , I think yes , because I couldn't find any information in your list for anything related to WiFi (you have three interfaces Intel , Realtek and Broadcom )
2167[13:43:40] <forcerecon> scary... never did this before..
2168[13:43:42] <forcerecon> lol
2169[13:43:44] <forcerecon> thanks
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2171[13:44:10] <shtrb> Did the wifi just worked before ?
2172[13:44:24] <forcerecon> this was a windows pc..
2173[13:44:29] <forcerecon> first attempt with linux
2174[13:44:43] <forcerecon> ahh.. you know what
2175[13:44:45] <forcerecon> hold the phone
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2177[13:45:36] <forcerecon> replaced-url
2178[13:45:40] <forcerecon> glad I did that
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2181[13:46:05] <forcerecon> Its Broadcom 802.11
2182[13:46:13] <forcerecon> you can see it on the list first image
2183[13:46:21] <tremolo> Since the Realtek and Intel adapters appear to be GigE, "06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)" might just be the wireless adapter.
2184[13:46:39] <forcerecon> yup..
2185[13:46:44] <forcerecon> confirmed
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2187[13:46:57] <forcerecon> so just follow those installation directions .. Ill try
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2189[13:47:17] <towo^work> for that chipset, you need broadcom-sta
2190[13:47:30] <towo^work> it seems there is no free driver
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2193[13:48:34] <forcerecon> it list the broadcom-sta-dkms
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2197[13:49:09] <forcerecon> in those directions.. so are you saying it won't help?
2198[13:49:12] <towo^work> it? list?
2199[13:49:21] <towo^work> have you installed it?
2200[13:49:24] <forcerecon> replaced-url
2201[13:49:31] <forcerecon> no.. I am learning
2202[13:49:44] <forcerecon> not sure how but to follow directions at this point
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2208[13:53:15] <tremolo> forcerecon: Those instructions should work.
2209[13:53:16] <bancodemerda> Hi! How do I upgrade to an specific debian version? (Mine is 8.5, I need to go to 8.7, but if I do a system upgrade it goes to 8.8)
2210[13:53:18] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, those instructions are very straightforward
2211[13:53:52] <towo^work> bancodemerda, not possible
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2213[13:54:06] <towo^work> bancodemerda, and btw, does not make many sense
2214[13:54:16] <towo^work> bancodemerda, what's wrong with 8.8?
2215[13:54:19] <forcerecon> should I remve the jessie and make it stretch? and once I am done installing should it work should I remove the added component from sources.list
2216[13:55:02] <towo^work> forcerecon, since you have installed from firmware installer, you have all needed entries
2217[13:55:12] <tremolo> You already have non-free from doing nvidia stuff earlier. You don't need to edit sources.list.
2218[13:55:15] <BluesKaj> you can leave contrib non-free in the sources.list
2219[13:55:17] <towo^work> forcerecon, and please, begin and learn the basics
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2221[13:55:41] <forcerecon> Im trying.. reading as much as I can.. :)
2222[13:55:52] <bancodemerda> towo^work: Yeah, I know it makes no sense... My bank wants me to use a s**** program to access their web site. And the "support" says it's only "homologated" to Debian 8.7, not 8.8.
2223[13:56:27] <towo^work> bancodemerda, maybe the have written that message before 8.8 was released
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2225[13:57:18] <tremolo> bancodemerda: I think you could use a snapshot mirror to upgrade to a specific point in time... but 8.7 doesn't make sense to me.
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2228[13:59:24] <bancodemerda> towo^work: It's not a written message. I called them. But the person who talks to you knows nothing about Linux.
2229[13:59:27] <forcerecon> (If next boot fails, revert to initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64.old-dkms image)
2230[13:59:42] <forcerecon> these are the things I don't like as I would not know how to revert
2231[14:00:15] <forcerecon> and when I load modprobe wl nothing happens.. command not found
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2233[14:00:21] <tremolo> forcerecon: So hopefully the next boot doesn't fail!
2234[14:00:27] <tremolo> forcerecon: Are you root?
2235[14:00:32] <forcerecon> sudo
2236[14:00:48] <bancodemerda> tremolo: Any idea about how to use the snapshot mirror?
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2240[14:01:27] <tremolo> bancodemerda: replaced-url
2241[14:01:56] <forcerecon> it is working now..
2242[14:02:06] <tremolo> Remember that this will likely leave you missing important updates.
2243[14:02:11] <forcerecon> must have been a timing thing when I opened up network
2244[14:02:16] <tremolo> forcerecon: awesome
2245[14:02:27] <forcerecon> I am just scared about the reboot
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2247[14:02:36] <forcerecon> took a lot of work to get this machine where it is today
2248[14:02:51] <forcerecon> :D I guess if it crashes it will help me learn how to fix it though
2249[14:03:02] <forcerecon> positive reinforcement
2250[14:03:19] <shtrb> you will choose a different kernel in grub on next boot (you have two now)
2251[14:03:50] <forcerecon> what will the new one say?
2252[14:04:56] <bancodemerda> tremo: thanks!
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2254[14:05:19] <tremolo> forcerecon: If it fails (unlikely), boot from a live CD/USB/whatever, mount /boot, rename initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64.old-dkms to initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64, and reboot.
2255[14:06:25] <shtrb> forcerecon , as root "sudo modprobe wl"
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2257[14:06:44] <tremolo> Should have had a message like: "Backing up initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64 to /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64.old-dkms" before then; just restore the backup to revert.
2258[14:07:17] <forcerecon> thanks guys.. I am not going to reboot until I feel the need.. lol.. but I took a picture of this text so I have something to work off of
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2260[14:08:14] <forcerecon> thanks for helping me out..
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2262[14:08:33] <tremolo> No problem
2263[14:08:38] <shtrb> now that everything works it's time to backup
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2267[14:10:33] <forcerecon> once I get a few more things configured I will backup.. not that I know how to recover, but I will back up.. :) Reading as the situation calls for it. So next are a couple small items and then I will do a reboot, then if it works I will backup
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2270[14:11:12] <forcerecon> You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, libc.so.6
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2272[14:11:21] <forcerecon> any documentation on installing that
2273[14:11:43] <shtrb> ! multiarch
2274[14:11:43] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
2275[14:12:37] <shtrb> forcerecon ^
2276[14:12:51] <forcerecon> reading now thanks
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2282[14:14:40] <lesik_> hey, I am trying to download the debian stretch amd64 live iso using bittorrent, but the tracker says file not found
2283[14:14:42] <lesik_> replaced-url
2284[14:14:44] <lesik_> live iso GNOME, I must add
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2293[14:16:48] <forcerecon> if multiarch allows for the ability to run 32 bit on a 64 bit machine why not just add that normally? What is the down side to installing these things
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2296[14:17:36] <towo^work> to much useless stuff for people who not need 32bir apps
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2299[14:18:39] <BluesKaj> lesik_, lesik_ look in your ~/Downloads file and click on said torremnt file
2300[14:18:54] <forcerecon> I do in my spare time play ONE game.. Sniper Elite 4 with a friend.. I wanted to install Steam on Debian, which went fine, but requires these libraries. Personally I can do without the game, you think I should forego the install?
2301[14:18:55] <lesik_> BluesKaj and then?
2302[14:19:22] <towo^work> forcerecon, then do it
2303[14:19:31] <BluesKaj> it should open your torrent client and stsart downloading
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2305[14:19:40] <lesik_> do you think I don't know how to use torrents?
2306[14:19:48] <lesik_> the tracker says file not found
2307[14:19:50] <lesik_> the tracker
2308[14:20:21] <BluesKaj> lesik_, well if you know whay are you asking?
2309[14:20:26] <teraflops> lesik_: we don't know that people know^
2310[14:20:30] <teraflops> what^
2311[14:20:42] <lesik_> if I am talking about trackers, I probably know how to use torrents
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2315[14:22:02] <BluesKaj> lesik_, this isn't a debate maybe you should just use the HTML to download the file if the torrent tracker isn't connecting
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2322[14:24:30] <JuniusBrutus> I, too, am getting "torrent not found" on the torrent that lesik_ gave
2323[14:24:44] <JuniusBrutus> That the tracker's not working
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2325[14:24:56] <toruvinn> stop pirating Debian.
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2327[14:25:15] <Mathisen> lol
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2329[14:25:20] <toruvinn> ;-)
2330[14:25:39] <shtrb> don't give them idieas
2331[14:26:27] <Guest60530> Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable: ForceRecon
2332[14:26:31] <Guest60530> do I do a release
2333[14:26:39] <Guest60530> and btw I rebooted and still have wireless
2334[14:26:40] <Guest60530> :D
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2338[14:27:04] <BluesKaj> JuniusBrutus, yes, hence he should use the html or wget or some other means
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2341[14:28:06] <Mathisen> yeah that torrent cant reach tracker
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2364[14:40:34] <shtrb> Guest60530, it was with wl correct ?
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2366[14:41:11] <shtrb> *forcerecon
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2368[14:41:35] <forcerecon> yes that was me
2369[14:41:38] <forcerecon> all good now
2370[14:41:48] <forcerecon> reboot worked, the wireless is running
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2373[14:43:07] <shtrb> :)
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2377[14:45:00] <forcerecon> yeah I am happy about that.. I did that multiarch command but the lib.so.6 is still not working for me, so doing some research on that
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2382[14:46:24] <shtrb> apt-get install libc:i386
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2386[14:49:18] <forcerecon> can't locate package
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2391[14:52:19] <forcerecon> this seems promising with some changes I will have to figure out - replaced-url
2392[14:53:24] <towo^work> have you done tha dpkg --add-architecture i386?
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2394[14:53:39] <forcerecon> yes
2395[14:53:52] <towo^work> after that, apt update?
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2397[14:54:25] <towo^work> and the package is named libc6:i386
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2399[14:55:36] <forcerecon> I did all of those.. though this returned no results - dpkg --add-architecture i386
2400[14:55:42] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, install libc6-i386
2401[14:56:21] <forcerecon> that did it
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2403[14:56:24] <forcerecon> thanks!
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2408[14:58:32] <forcerecon> that got me to download steam and then error on install stating you are missing libGL.so.1
2409[14:58:45] <Quatroking> is there anything new in the new debian version that's notable?
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2411[14:59:10] <forcerecon> you would think steam make one package.. geez..
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2413[14:59:39] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, it might be like windows for lib6 , maybe a reboot ?
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2415[15:00:04] <forcerecon> Ill give it a whirl
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2419[15:01:36] <zykotick9> Quatroking: you might want to look over replaced-url
2420[15:01:50] <Quatroking> oh thanks
2421[15:02:17] <aguitel> i try to install debian with live image , in boot menu choose to install but every time say error on cd , why this?
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2425[15:03:32] <forcerecon> damn that was like instant on
2426[15:03:58] <shtrb> is it bad ?
2427[15:04:08] <forcerecon> uh I meant IRC..
2428[15:04:23] <forcerecon> yeah still not working.. still that libGL.so.1
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2430[15:04:33] <forcerecon> you know I noticed something on my machine as well when it booted
2431[15:04:44] <forcerecon> I took a photo.. give me a moment to show you guys
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2434[15:05:40] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
2435[15:06:07] <ychaouche> I have an old debian 8.3 DVD. If I install it on some machine, can it still be upgraded to latest version ?
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2437[15:06:16] <ychaouche> with apt-get upgrade
2438[15:06:39] <Section1> hi... what happen with nagios3 on debian 9 ?
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2440[15:06:57] <Section1> i upgrade to debian 9 an i have not nagios3 binarty
2441[15:07:05] <ThCTLo> @ section1 is remove, move to icanga
2442[15:07:34] <Section1> thanks ThCTLo ill take a look to that ..
2443[15:07:46] <themill> ychaouche: define "latest"
2444[15:07:48] <ThCTLo> its mentiont in the release notes
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2446[15:08:08] <ychaouche> themill: 8.X
2447[15:08:18] <ychaouche> where X is the largest number actually available
2448[15:08:54] <Section1> ThCTLo, thanks
2449[15:08:59] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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2451[15:09:24] <themill> ychaouche: there's a reasonable chance a dist-upgrade is needed not just an upgrade, but yes, this is relatively easy
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2453[15:10:10] <shtrb> forcerecon - 404
2454[15:10:26] <forcerecon> not sure what that means
2455[15:10:33] <ychaouche> so a dist-upgrade even for the smaller number in the version string ?
2456[15:10:34] <shtrb> 404 - file not found
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2459[15:10:49] <forcerecon> I don't think it was anything I did
2460[15:10:58] <forcerecon> this happened since it was installed..
2461[15:11:08] <themill> ychaouche: dist-upgrade is about relaxing apt's rules about adding/removing new packages during the process (see the man page)
2462[15:11:19] <shtrb> lol , It's probably just a typo in the lin
2463[15:11:21] <shtrb> *link
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2466[15:11:42] <ychaouche> themill: thanks for the info
2467[15:11:53] <forcerecon> you think its just me? or should I let someone know
2468[15:12:05] <shtrb> probably you
2469[15:12:12] <GNUtoo-irssi> Hi, with apt upgrade I get lots of "openssh-client : Depends: dpkg (>= 1.7.0) but it is not installed"
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2471[15:12:30] <GNUtoo-irssi> I can't find the right option to force installing the amd64 version
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2473[15:12:45] <themill> GNUtoo-irssi: forcing things is never the right plan
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2476[15:13:03] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, which graphics/gpu ?
2477[15:13:16] <themill> GNUtoo-irssi: what version of debian do you think you're running?
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2479[15:13:37] <forcerecon> nvidia gtx 980 8GB
2480[15:13:37] <themill> GNUtoo-irssi: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg openssh-client libc6 apt; apt-cache policy"
2481[15:13:48] <GNUtoo-irssi> stretch, but I'm trying to upgrade from i386 to amd64
2482[15:14:06] <themill> dpkg: tell GNUtoo-irssi about crossgrade
2483[15:14:24] <themill> that's a rather important detail...
2484[15:14:36] <GNUtoo-irssi> replaced-url
2485[15:14:50] <GNUtoo-irssi> I'm following that HOWTO at the end: &&&&
2486[15:14:58] <GNUtoo-irssi> I'll pastebin the command output real soon
2487[15:15:21] <themill> GNUtoo-irssi: that's what, 5 years and 3 releases out of date?
2488[15:15:25] <GNUtoo-irssi> s/&&&&/^^^^/
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2490[15:16:26] <GNUtoo-irssi> replaced-url
2491[15:16:38] <towo^work> forcerecon, if you run the binary nvidia blob, you need to install the 32bit glx packages
2492[15:16:48] <themill> GNUtoo-irssi: that howto also explicitly says that what you're doing doesn't yet work
2493[15:17:14] <themill> you've also not actually followed it
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2499[15:18:58] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, type libGL.so.1 into your package manager search field , you should see something like, libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx , install that
2500[15:19:10] <GNUtoo-irssi> Thanks, I'll revert to i386 and follow the wiki instead
2501[15:19:36] <themill> GNUtoo-irssi: you've not yet installed anything amd64 by the looks of it
2502[15:19:51] <darxmurf> anybody installed nagios-nrpe-server 3.x ?
2503[15:19:57] <GNUtoo-irssi> dpkg is, glibc is, etc
2504[15:19:57] <dpkg> GNUtoo-irssi: I don't know, could you explain it?
2505[15:20:21] <darxmurf> I upgraded a debian machine to the new stable today and nagios is getting crazy with the new NRPE and SSL config
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2507[15:20:46] <themill> GNUtoo-irssi: not according to your paste
2508[15:21:02] <darxmurf> it's working fine without SSL (-n) but as soon as I remove the -n option, I receive this error SSL hansshake
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2517[15:23:55] <aguitel> i try to install debian with live image , in boot menu choose to install but every time say error on cd , why this?
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2519[15:24:17] <towo^work> because of a well known bug
2520[15:24:24] <themill> aguitel: (a) installing off the live images is never as good as installing using the installer (b) there are known issues with the live images atm
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2522[15:24:57] <aguitel> themill, towo^work ok
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2528[15:26:45] <forcerecon> BluesKaj: sorry for delay.. it is already installed
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2531[15:30:43] <xormor> Where do I upload the Finnish translation of omega-rpg? I am translating directly into the source code into the *.c files. I have only partially translated it as to now.
2532[15:33:21] <towo^work> forcerecon, you need libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386
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2534[15:33:30] <towo^work> forcerecon, i don't think that is installed
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2538[15:35:38] <jscoder> i created a crypt file on jessie on an i686 machine im now trying to access on an orange pi arm machine using jessie but something isnt working and idk what, full details here replaced-url
2539[15:35:48] <forcerecon> where do I get libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386
2540[15:36:29] <towo^work> was the old name
2541[15:37:00] <towo^work> forcerecon, apt install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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2545[15:38:03] <forcerecon> ould not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
2546[15:38:03] <forcerecon> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
2547[15:38:13] <towo^work> boah
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2549[15:38:28] <tremolo> Are you root?
2550[15:38:31] <towo^work> synaptic open?
2551[15:38:47] <tremolo> Is another package manager process running?
2552[15:38:51] <jscoder> forcerecon: dont paste in here and close your package manager
2553[15:38:54] <forcerecon> synaptic was open
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2555[15:39:27] <towo^work> you should realy learn the basics
2556[15:39:56] <forcerecon> if that was basic I have a long time to go.. but thanks.. I will keep trying
2557[15:40:18] <shamoanjac> the only basic thing is reading :)
2558[15:40:32] <shamoanjac> it says right there "is another process using it?"
2559[15:40:44] <jscoder> i know the basics and i dont understand what seems to be a simple file not found message with my crypt setup :p
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2561[15:42:37] <forcerecon> Ill assume if you log into steam and your game is there but there is no way to play it that means it won't work on linux no matter what
2562[15:42:56] <forcerecon> as great as this was and now I know what to do.. I don't think I can play this game on linux.
2563[15:43:00] <forcerecon> that blows
2564[15:43:05] <jscoder> its always annoying when the message says no such file when you can plainly see the file
2565[15:43:05] <forcerecon> but now I know
2566[15:43:20] <tremolo> forcerecon: Maybe it works with wine.
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2570[15:44:31] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, not all steam games have been ported to linux, but I'm sure there's a list on their site
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2573[15:45:33] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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2575[15:47:00] <forcerecon> well maybe down the road I can try something else.. have to run out but thanks everyone for all the support.. appreciated.. oh and if you can think of any way for me to fix that 404 on boot, let me know.. it does not seem to be doing anything but it would be nice to fix it
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2577[15:47:07] <forcerecon> cya in a few hours.
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2580[15:47:37] <jscoder> can anyone help with luks error device-mapper: reload ioctl on crypt failed: No such file or directory replaced-url
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2584[15:48:00] <dury> hi there channel :-)
2585[15:48:01] <NapoleonWils0n> firefox 54 is much snapier than previous releases
2586[15:48:46] <jscoder> i tried to get it last night but couldnt find an official firefox 54 for arm anywhere
2587[15:48:47] <dury> NapoleonWils0n, what you mean with snapier?
2588[15:48:50] <NapoleonWils0n> i still use firejail with firefox mind you
2589[15:49:07] <NapoleonWils0n> dury it seems faster to load pages than chromium for me
2590[15:49:10] <jscoder> they claim netflix works on linux with official firefox
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2593[15:49:24] <NapoleonWils0n> even using firejail and a socks5 proxy
2594[15:49:30] <dury> NapoleonWils0n, right I catch it now
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2596[15:50:01] <NapoleonWils0n> i run freebsd on second machine and chromium is a cluster f**k on bsd so have to use firefox
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2598[15:50:18] <dury> NapoleonWils0n, did you install it by repository?
2599[15:50:26] <NapoleonWils0n> yes sudo apt install firefox
2600[15:50:55] <jscoder> these streaming svcs all suck for using silverlight
2601[15:50:59] <NapoleonWils0n> then i create a bash script with firejail --caps.drop=all --seccomp firefox
2602[15:51:03] <dury> NapoleonWils0n, don't you have error 404
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2605[15:51:14] <ChunkzZ> NapoleonWils0n: you can only install iceweasel
2606[15:51:24] <NapoleonWils0n> im on debian sid
2607[15:51:26] <ChunkzZ> That command won't work
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2609[15:52:05] <ChunkzZ> Firefox ESR might work
2610[15:52:18] <NapoleonWils0n> yes im running unstable branch
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2612[15:52:58] <ChunkzZ> And?
2613[15:53:01] <dury> Failed to fetch replaced-url
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2615[15:53:14] <NapoleonWils0n> firefox is back in unstable branch
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2617[15:53:22] <tremolo> ChunkzZ: Sid's package "firefox" provides /usr/bin/firefox replaced-url
2618[15:53:38] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
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2621[15:53:42] <ChunkzZ> tremolo: cheers
2622[15:53:44] <jscoder> yes firefox has no jessie backport i checked that last night too
2623[15:54:01] <jscoder> after netflix told me to go stuff myself
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2626[15:54:07] <NapoleonWils0n> lol
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2629[15:54:39] <dury> jscoder, so what suppose to do then?
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2633[15:54:57] <MarioMey> Hi, there. I'm having troubles (kernel panic) when trying to install Debian. Is this the right channel to discuss it?
2634[15:55:00] <NapoleonWils0n> twiddle thumbs and wait :(
2635[15:55:14] <jscoder> idk if its the no silverlight or what. they say their service works with official firefox on linux but they offer no support
2636[15:55:16] <ChunkzZ> MarioMey: sup?
2637[15:55:16] <MarioMey> (Pidgin just freeze by doing /list)
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2639[15:55:56] <NapoleonWils0n> are you trying to install jessie
2640[15:55:57] <jscoder> i used it years ago doing a wine hck with windows firefox but latest forums say it works native now
2641[15:56:09] <dury> jscoder, why do I have error 404
2642[15:56:25] <jscoder> how idk when it still seems to use silverlight which we dont have
2643[15:56:35] <NapoleonWils0n> i think you get a 404 because firefox isnt in your debians repo
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2645[15:56:53] <jscoder> as i said there is no firefox backport
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2647[15:57:14] <NapoleonWils0n> may take a couple of days to flow downstream
2648[15:57:19] <jscoder> at least not on arm.. it told me the same thing
2649[15:57:26] <MarioMey> ChunkzZ: I downloaded Debian 9 MATE 64x yesterday and I just booted it in a USB. I enter in Debian (not install) and it worked well. I rebooted and: Debian graphical install, Install and Install with speech sintetizer... those three options do a kernel panic. I have a photograph of the screen: replaced-url
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2652[15:58:22] <dury> so that repo doesn't work anymore then, jscoter, NapoleonWilsOn ?
2653[15:58:23] <mtn> MarioMey: is this a live disk you are using for the debian install?
2654[15:58:32] <jscoder> hmm di has talking install now? cool
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2656[15:58:50] <NapoleonWils0n> dury jessie only has iceweasel and not firefox
2657[15:58:55] <Brigo> MarioMey it looks like something about nouveau driver.
2658[15:59:10] <ChunkzZ> MarioMey: stick around, someone might know
2659[15:59:10] <NapoleonWils0n> firefox 54 may be ready in backports in a few days i guess
2660[15:59:29] <jscoder> dury: the repo isnt the problem ther is no backport for firefox in jessie is what im telling you
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2662[15:59:41] <MarioMey> mtn: from replaced-url
2663[15:59:47] <jscoder> jessie has firefox-esr
2664[15:59:56] <jscoder> but no backport
2665[15:59:58] <mtn> MarioMey: ok. don't use the live disk for installing
2666[16:00:07] <ChunkzZ> So does stretch jscoder
2667[16:00:07] <mtn> MarioMey: use the netinstall or dvd1
2668[16:00:16] <MarioMey> Ok.
2669[16:00:16] <dury> jscoder, all right, didn't understand it, sorry
2670[16:00:24] <NapoleonWils0n> make sure to do an efi install as well mate
2671[16:00:27] <jscoder> im using firfox-esr on jessie right now on my orange pi
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2673[16:00:37] <Aleks_> Hi there, I'm trying to understand what's the best way to manage the dependency for a package. We want to include "archivemount" as a dependency, but noticed that on some setups (such as OpenVZ containers), fuse cannot be installed (because kernel incompatibilites, somehow ?), but that makes the whole "apt-get install <mypackage>" crash on those setups ... is there any way to have a nice conditionnal
2674[16:00:38] <Aleks_> dependency (i.e. install archivemount/fuse only if it can ?)
2675[16:00:41] <NapoleonWils0n> on the mac you hold down alt wen booting the cd and select efi
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2678[16:01:17] <dury> I have firefox esr 52.2.0 (64-bit) installed by repo
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2681[16:01:40] <NapoleonWils0n> firefox 54 has multi cpu support and i think sandbox as well
2682[16:01:42] <somiaj> Aleks_: I don't think dependencies can be conditional. But you could make it recommended or suggested. Recommended should be installed by default and suggested will only be installed if the user asks.
2683[16:01:46] <jscoder> im thinking about trying android for better performance and netflix compatibility i like having a real os but this pi only has 512mb ram shared with video so.. its limited
2684[16:01:47] <dury> so how do I update it
2685[16:01:48] <NapoleonWils0n> may be wrong
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2690[16:02:17] <somiaj> Aleks_: I'm unsure what would happen in a case you have a recomended package that fails to install. Suggested might be the best bet. Apt will inform users about the package, but they will have to manually install the depend if they want those additional features.
2691[16:02:20] <MarioMey> mtn: what do you recommend me? I come from Ubuntu ;)... and I have a 8GB pendrive.
2692[16:02:25] <jscoder> dury: short answer is you dont... you wait or you compile yourself
2693[16:02:25] <NapoleonWils0n> dury you have to wait for firefox to be added to backports
2694[16:02:30] <somiaj> Aleks_: #packaging on irc.oftc.net might be of better help.
2695[16:02:35] <Aleks_> oh thanks
2696[16:02:39] <mtn> MarioMey: if you have a good net connection, use the netinstall
2697[16:02:41] <Aleks_> i'll ask there :D
2698[16:02:47] <Aleks_> have a good day !
2699[16:02:55] <MarioMey> mtn: No, I don't have a good one.
2700[16:03:10] <jscoder> firefox pretty much leaves linux builds up to 3rd party devs
2701[16:03:13] <mtn> MarioMey: then the dvd1 may be a better choice
2702[16:03:38] <NapoleonWils0n> if you use netinstall make sure to use ethernet
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2704[16:03:47] <NapoleonWils0n> as not all wifi drivers come with the netinstall
2705[16:03:52] <MarioMey> mtn: from where? I'm a bit confused about versions...
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2707[16:04:08] <dury> jscoter, NapoleonWilsOn, all right guys, don't you mind if I ask... how long?
2708[16:04:13] <mtn> MarioMey: what version are you referring to? and you get them from the debian download site
2709[16:04:19] <forcerecon> offtopic, before I run out.. how come in linux there is no remember window location
2710[16:04:26] <forcerecon> size, etc..
2711[16:04:37] <mtn> forcerecon: who says there isn't? I have used it
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2713[16:04:52] <forcerecon> whenever I open a browser it always puts it over my icons I move it, close it, open it and it goes right back to where it was
2714[16:04:56] <NapoleonWils0n> dury not sure how long it will take, firefox 54 only came out a few days ago
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2716[16:05:01] <jscoder> dury: i doubt its a priority for anyone with stretch releasing your best bet for timely solution would be to transition to stretch imo
2717[16:05:02] <mtn> forcerecon: kde has those options
2718[16:05:19] <pragomer> hi. need urgent help. fresh stretch-installation. tried to install a deb-file via dpkg. now it says, no matter what I want to install, that the paket.deb needs to be installed, but does not have an archive. I cannot install any paket anymore
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2720[16:05:27] <MarioMey> mtn: small install image, complete install image... The one you say (DVD1) is the one that has 3 DVDs?
2721[16:05:42] <pragomer> apt-get clean / apt-get install -f / nothing works
2722[16:05:47] <mtn> MarioMey: yes, but you only need the first one to install
2723[16:05:53] <gerforce> After upgrading stretch from jessie, my wifi didn't work well. It has a big delay to my home gateway.The Ethernet works well. I think it could be the wireless card driver problem. Does anyone encounter the same problem?
2724[16:05:54] <MarioMey> Ah, ok!
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2726[16:06:27] <dury> jscoter, NapoleonWilsOn, all right guys, really appreciate your support though
2727[16:06:29] <mtn> gerforce: I had to switch from networkmanager to wicd to make my wifi work
2728[16:06:33] <MarioMey> mtn: Thanks! Donwloading. See you later.
2729[16:06:38] <mtn> MarioMey: have fun
2730[16:07:01] <MarioMey> mtn: does it has a graphical install?
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2732[16:07:07] <gerforce> mtn: Does it work normal now ?
2733[16:07:10] <mtn> MarioMey: kinda ;)
2734[16:07:12] <jscoder> MarioMey: for people with a modern internet connection the install media need only be enough to boot the machine the rest can be fetched by the installer
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2737[16:07:31] <mtn> gerforce: pretty much, but of course your card may work completely differently than mine does
2738[16:07:39] <MarioMey> :D
2739[16:07:42] <NapoleonWils0n> i always use the netinstall and build from scratch
2740[16:08:13] <ChunkzZ> NapoleonWils0n: me too
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2742[16:08:33] <NapoleonWils0n> i3wm for me
2743[16:08:54] <NapoleonWils0n> i dont like gnome with vertical workspaces
2744[16:09:03] <phix> hey debianers!
2745[16:09:11] <jscoder> MarioMey: a netinstall can come in two flavors one with only enough to boot and requires internet to do anything and one that can bootstrap the machine with a base and installs the full desktop from internet. if you have the ability to plug in to a fast net connection the smallest installer will work fine
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2748[16:10:29] <jscoder> i for example am on a wifi that requires a browser based login... so netinst is not something id use in this situation id need the first dvd iso to get me a full desktop before i could login to network and proceed
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2750[16:10:49] <ChunkzZ> I have i3-wm and LXQt NapoleonWils0n :)
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2753[16:11:19] <NapoleonWils0n> i3wm + ranger vim heaven
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2755[16:11:40] <NapoleonWils0n> jscoder you can download the wifi driver onto a fat formatted usb drive
2756[16:12:00] <jscoder> there are also live versions that accomidate such situations they boot to a working os and can install from there
2757[16:12:02] <NapoleonWils0n> and during the install it will ask of you want to install wifi driver from usb
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2759[16:12:23] <greycat> There was a post on debian-user today that said the live images may actually work now.
2760[16:12:25] <NapoleonWils0n> then plug in the usb drive and it will install the driver during the install
2761[16:12:32] <greycat> They never worked before, so... good luck.
2762[16:13:08] <jscoder> hah i never had a problem with them
2763[16:13:37] <tremolo> or debootstrap from a live CD if its installer is broken?
2764[16:13:40] <dury> jscoter, NapoleonWilsOn, Am I save and secure using firefox esr 52.2.0 (64-bit) by now, what you suggest?
2765[16:14:21] <jscoder> dury: debian developers a good at doing security patching
2766[16:14:31] <MarioMey> Thanks, jscoder.
2767[16:14:40] <NapoleonWils0n> dury you can use firejail with firefox to add a sandbox
2768[16:14:50] <jscoder> version numbers may stay the same but security vulnerabilities get patched
2769[16:15:03] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
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2771[16:15:24] <NapoleonWils0n> then run firefox with firejail --caps.drop=all --seccomp firefox
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2773[16:15:42] <dury> jscoter, NapoleonWilsOn, ok
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2782[16:17:46] <jscoder> so ill ask one more time about this luks error replaced-url
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2786[16:18:45] <tremolo> LOOP_CLR_FD ioctl() failed on "/dev/loop2" Silly question: Does /dev/loop2 exist?
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2788[16:18:56] <NapoleonWils0n> this help mate
2789[16:18:58] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
2790[16:19:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1655
2791[16:19:16] <NapoleonWils0n> yes sounds like loop device isnt free perhaps
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2794[16:19:33] <jscoder> i can check but i thought thats the whole point of using cryptmount was to manage the complexities of mapping
2795[16:19:50] <greycat> I think /dev/loop* are created dynamically. I only have /dev/loop-control at the moment.
2796[16:19:53] <NapoleonWils0n> are you using anything like docker
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2798[16:20:11] <NapoleonWils0n> docker also uses loop device and that might be a conflict
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2800[16:20:23] <jscoder> yes /dev/loop2 is rw rw root disk
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2805[16:21:26] <NapoleonWils0n> you can find free loop devices with: sudo losetup -f
2806[16:21:39] <jscoder> that was likely the issue user wasnt in disk group
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2808[16:22:16] <jscoder> the msg confounded me bc it did specify which file wasnt found
2809[16:22:54] <dury> bbl
2810[16:23:15] <NapoleonWils0n> jscoder you can also use luks to create encrypted containers like truecrypt
2811[16:23:16] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
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2814[16:24:55] <jscoder> another big issue i am having is this orange pi lite doesnt seem to have a clock battery and is resetting to jam 1 1970 or dec 31 1969 on me which presents a huge problem bc i use xfinitywifi which requires ssl browser based login. so what can i do to solve this problem as i need valid date to work with ssl but cant ntp without being connected?
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2816[16:25:31] <greycat> Get another machine on the local network that has an NTP server you can sync with before authenticating to the router.
2817[16:25:32] <NapoleonWils0n> have you tried openntpd for setting the time
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2820[16:26:13] <NapoleonWils0n> or you could just bust out some flares and get all pyschadelic
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2823[16:26:43] <jscoder> greycat: i like that approach maybe i can use adb to sync time with my android phone somehow
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2825[16:27:44] <NapoleonWils0n> you should just be able to set up openntd on the pi to set the time
2826[16:28:04] <jscoder> i can access my phone via usb with adb and perhaps i can make a script to set the time from the phone
2827[16:28:07] <NapoleonWils0n> may need to open port 123 with iptables
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2829[16:29:23] <greycat> NapoleonWils0n: apparently he's using Very Special Crap and can't just make normal connections like a normal person
2830[16:29:23] <NapoleonWils0n> sudo apt install openntpd
2831[16:29:31] <NapoleonWils0n> sudo systemctl enable openntpd.service
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2834[16:29:51] <NapoleonWils0n> sudo systemctl start openntpd.service && ntpd -s -d
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2837[16:30:20] <greycat> NapoleonWils0n: how does that work around "I can't make NTP connections because xfinitywifi"
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2839[16:31:03] <NapoleonWils0n> ah right, cant you just set time manually then install openntpd
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2842[16:31:38] <jscoder> well xfinitywifi are public hotspots for xfinity customers so thats the issue with using nirmal network approaches. i think the adb thing will work i can just pulg my phone in to the pi and have adb check the time on the phone and set it accordingly on the pi at boot
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2850[16:33:57] <NapoleonWils0n> couldnt you set the system date and then sync the hardware clock
2851[16:34:06] <NapoleonWils0n> replaced-url
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2854[16:35:04] <dhaller> postgres in debian is asking for a password, I have never set a password
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2856[16:35:06] <jscoder> NapoleonWils0n: the hardware clock is useless bc it doesnt have a battery and so far i havent even figured out a way to turn this thing on other than to unplug it and plug it back in
2857[16:35:08] <greycat> NapoleonWils0n: his Thing has no battery so the clock is wrong at boot time, and he can't sync the clock using NTP because his Thing is some stupid mobile device on some stupid mobile network that requires a web browser to authenticate before you can connect to the Internet
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2859[16:35:21] <dhaller> therefore i do not know it
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2861[16:35:27] <dhaller> i cant even unistall it
2862[16:35:37] <NapoleonWils0n> gotcha greycat
2863[16:35:38] <dhaller> because it asks for a password to even do that
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2869[16:36:17] <NapoleonWils0n> need to get the pi to dial the speaking clock and ask tim
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2872[16:36:28] <NapoleonWils0n> the time sponsored by acurwrist is
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2874[16:36:35] <jscoder> i want to just leave the orange pi plugged in but i dont know how to turn it on once its shutdown. heh it sounds incredibly stupid to say you cant even figure out how to turn a computer on
2875[16:36:35] <phix> NapoleonWils0n: what sounds like a terrible idea
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2877[16:36:57] <jscoder> i will likely test suspend and hibernate options
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2884[16:37:49] <BluesKaj> jscoder, reboot the power source, unplug replug in
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2887[16:38:14] <jscoder> BluesKaj: yes thats what i do but thats whats killing the rtc
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2890[16:38:23] <BluesKaj> jscoder, it's the only method
2891[16:38:39] <jscoder> BluesKaj: whats the button for then? heh
2892[16:38:51] <celyr> Upgrading from jessie to stretch on a box installed exim4
2893[16:38:53] <celyr> I'm not happy
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2895[16:39:16] <celyr> that exim4 standard in basic install thing is really something we should get rid of.
2896[16:39:20] <greycat> What MTA were you using under jessie?
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2898[16:39:44] <celyr> no MTA installed
2899[16:39:52] <celyr> that box is a domino server
2900[16:39:58] <greycat> Then the upgrade fixed your oversight. You should be thankful.
2901[16:40:09] <celyr> yeah and broke my domino startup
2902[16:40:12] <celyr> very thankful
2903[16:40:19] <BluesKaj> jscoder, I use a rpi3, it's the only method
2904[16:40:21] <celyr> if I don't install a MTA I have reasons.
2905[16:40:43] <greycat> if you want to do something incredibly niche like self-building qmail, or living without an MTA because you LIKE FAILURE, then you can use the equivs package to built a meta-package that provides mail-transport-agent, and install it.
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2907[16:41:11] <greycat> titan:~$ dpkg -l |grep mta
2908[16:41:11] <greycat> ii mta-local 1.0 all A local MTA package
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2910[16:41:24] <greycat> This is what equivs is for.
2911[16:41:24] <celyr> greycat, what of that is a domino box it's not clear ?
2912[16:41:37] <jscoder> the diagram on the site says there is a power button replaced-url
2913[16:41:38] <greycat> celyr: the "domino" part. cked, th
2914[16:41:43] <greycat> ... fuck, typing hard.
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2916[16:41:59] <greycat> !domino
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2918[16:42:18] <jscoder> i will as i said experiment with suspend and hibernate and try figure out what the deal is with the power btn
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2920[16:42:24] <celyr> IBM Domino ?
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2922[16:42:44] <greycat> This is Debian. If you want a local mta which may be qmail or /dev/null or whatever, use equivs.
2923[16:43:09] <jelly> nullmta?
2924[16:43:20] <jelly> ln -fs /usr/sbin/sendmail /bin/true
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2926[16:43:29] <celyr> Wait a second
2927[16:43:31] <BluesKaj> jscoder, maybe you have to hold it on for a few secs
2928[16:43:35] <jelly> (don't do that)
2929[16:43:36] <jscoder> i went with the orange pi cause its more open and cheaper and they have more hardware options when i get some more cash i want to get one with the 2g ram instead of the 512mb
2930[16:43:39] <celyr> I don't absolutely need any packet that needs a MTA
2931[16:43:45] <greycat> jelly: and then use equivs to build mta-local to tell dpkg that you have an MTA
2932[16:43:46] <jelly> celyr: cron
2933[16:43:56] <celyr> jelly it doesn't depend on MTA
2934[16:44:04] <jelly> ,recommends cron
2935[16:44:05] <judd> Package cron in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent.
2936[16:44:06] <greycat> celyr: install equivs, read directions.
2937[16:44:10] <jelly> celyr: ^^
2938[16:44:26] <celyr> But it's a raccomandation
2939[16:44:34] <celyr> not a requirement
2940[16:44:37] <jelly> and Recommendations get installed automatically
2941[16:44:41] <jelly> by default
2942[16:44:59] <jelly> that one actually makes sense if you want reports from cron jobs
2943[16:45:06] <greycat> jelly: your symlink is backwards too
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2945[16:45:13] <jelly> yes, sorry
2946[16:45:26] <jelly> I ruined someone's true
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2948[16:45:42] * celyr is not sure about this design but ok
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2951[16:46:10] <greycat> cron sends email to you when your job produces output. It's been that way for longer than most people in this channel have been alive.
2952[16:46:10] <jscoder> the orange pi had actual debian images was also a selling point i didnt like the sound of using some debian derivitave on some closed source hardware
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2960[16:47:29] <celyr> equivs has the longest dep list I've ever seen
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2963[16:47:39] <celyr> install that bloat for a dummy package
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2966[16:48:12] <greycat> You use it to build the dummy package, then install the dummy package.
2967[16:48:28] <jelly> celyr: you don't have to install equivs on the same system, install it elsewhere, make a fake mta package there, then just copy and install the resulting .deb on the destination system
2968[16:48:29] <greycat> If you can't stand that, I can just give you the mta-local package itself.
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2970[16:48:57] <jscoder> ,depends equivs
2971[16:48:59] <judd> Package equivs in stretch/amd64 -- depends: perl, debhelper, dpkg-dev, make, fakeroot.
2972[16:49:02] <BluesKaj> jscoder, raspbian pixel works well on the rpi3, no problems so far, and it all works after install including wicd wifi. Using the sdcard just to boot the system since moving / to a usb hdd
2973[16:49:16] <jelly> if your Domino thing provides a /usr/sbin/sendmail, you won't even be lying a lot
2974[16:49:23] <johnfg> jelly: Thanks for your last to me yesterday about the find of NEWS.Debian. I had left for 2nd job so just saw it.
2975[16:49:29] <greycat> replaced-url
2976[16:49:33] <jelly> you're welcome
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2979[16:49:55] <celyr> jelly, of course
2980[16:49:57] <celyr> it does not
2981[16:50:04] <greycat> wtf is "domino"
2982[16:50:14] <celyr> IBM Domino
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2985[16:51:08] <greycat> IBM Domino (formerly IBM Lotus® Domino) provides:
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2987[16:51:18] * greycat runs away ... NO! NOT LOTUS!!
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2989[16:51:28] <jelly> greycat: it's IBM. Maybe they still /usr/lib/sendmail
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2992[16:51:33] <greycat> seriously, I stopped reading and closed the tab as soon as I saw Lotus
2993[16:51:45] <celyr> greycat, Like I'm happy with it
2994[16:51:57] <celyr> You know what
2995[16:51:59] <jscoder> BluesKaj: i dd like the sound of a new lightweigh ui but i got the orange pi lite, heatsink, power and hdmi cables, 8gb sd card, and this wireless remoter w a keyboard and touchpad for 37 dollars US and free shipping from china. couldnt beat it. and the hardware isnt a black box its all open sourch pure debian stuff
2996[16:52:04] <celyr> I'm happy with it, and you know why
2997[16:52:04] <jelly> celyr: I'm honestly surprised Debian is a supported platform!
2998[16:52:08] <celyr> I get paid to run it
2999[16:52:16] <celyr> jelly, you know what, it's not
3000[16:52:27] <jelly> ibm software is usually "suse or rhel or get out"
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3002[16:52:36] <celyr> In this case it's just RHEL
3003[16:52:37] <maunix_> Hi folks. Using debian stretch here. I boot from my pendrive so I move from pc to pc but with one specific desktop pc, the ethernet looses its IP assigend via DHCP with its mac address. Executing dhclient solves the issue every time but, any hint why this could be happening?
3004[16:52:40] <jelly> right
3005[16:52:59] <jelly> so use RHEL. Or CentOS if your company is that cheap
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3007[16:53:09] <celyr> but I cherry picked my debian install to run domino anyway and I'm very happy with it
3008[16:53:30] <celyr> And I can't care less if it's not supported, since their support sucks anyway
3009[16:53:34] <jelly> then you basically chose to run into all sorts of walls head-first
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3011[16:53:52] <celyr> I just need debian not to install an MTA when i upgrade it thank you
3012[16:54:01] <greycat> Then install mta-local.
3013[16:54:07] <jelly> nod
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3015[16:54:09] <greycat> I even gave you a direct URL for the dummy package.
3016[16:54:38] <fireba11> Question: how can i check what config files come with a package? (i got a debian9 that gor distupgraded from 7 or so, and i want to clean up some of the configs where i changed things myself ...)
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3018[16:54:45] <jscoder> maunix_: different pcs have different mac addresses. the mac is on the network card not your pendrive
3019[16:54:55] <greycat> fireba11: dpkg -L pkgname | grep ^/etc
3020[16:54:55] <celyr> greycat, sorry I think I've lost it in my self arguing moment
3021[16:55:04] <greycat> /lastlog mta-local
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3025[16:55:36] <fireba11> greycat: great, thanks
3026[16:55:43] <jscoder> maunix_: you can solve the issue if you want a static ip on the pendrive by shrinking your dhcp pool and configuring it for static ip outside the pool range
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3030[16:56:25] <andre144k_> hi all - anyone knows how showing domain via screenrc (hardstatus alwayslastline )?
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3032[16:57:11] <andre144k_> hostname is no problem (%H) - but want "hostname.domainname"
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3034[16:58:02] <celyr> Maybe I can make exim4 listen to 127.0.0.1 and lotus listen to the interfaces
3035[16:58:12] <celyr> This should be a better solution, am I wrong ?
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3039[16:58:30] <celyr> or I'm overseeing something
3040[16:58:32] <greycat> If it's just for cron emails, you don't even have to listen on loopback. Just having /usr/sbin/sendmail for cron to execute is sufficient.
3041[16:59:01] <celyr> hm
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3043[16:59:06] <greycat> (that also covers shell scripts that send mail by piping to mail or mailx, etc.)
3044[16:59:10] <maunix_> jscoder you are not getting my point. I know that. in fact i did configure the dhcp server. That devices gets assigned its IP correctly... but after some time... minutes of inactivity perhaps it looses it.
3045[16:59:17] <celyr> to do this i should disable exim4
3046[16:59:23] <celyr> at startup
3047[16:59:23] <greycat> ...?
3048[16:59:29] <maunix_> jscoder. its that Desktop the only one that looses it.
3049[16:59:32] <jelly> celyr: you can install nullmailer that will provide /usr/sbin/sendmail, and tell it to use ip:25 or localhost:25 as smarthost
3050[17:00:06] <maunix_> jscoder. in fact that desktop does have a debian stable on its harddrive and it looses it too, from time to time.
3051[17:00:10] <celyr> jelly, this will transfer the mail to domino directly right ?
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3053[17:00:23] <jelly> celyr: if domino is what listens on port 25, yes
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3055[17:00:32] <celyr> this is a good solution
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3057[17:00:45] <celyr> then I alias root to my account
3058[17:01:02] <maunix_> jscoder: right now i am chatting using it. so i it has its ip assigned correctly.. but i know if i stop using it, the ip will get lost. unil I run dhclient again.
3059[17:01:18] <jscoder> maunix_: if you are having one desktop which loses its ip lease on two different os installs that points to a hardware issue like a loose or damaged cable or something
3060[17:01:39] <greycat> So you're saying IBM Domino listens on 0.0.0.0:25 but does not provide a /usr/sbin/sendmail interface?
3061[17:01:41] <maunix_> jscoder i presume, but is there a way i can monitor that? with a log or something_
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3066[17:02:51] <jscoder> maunix_: dmesg will contain changes in link status and hardware driver issues and syslog i believe will contain dhcp renwals
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3069[17:03:03] <maunix_> jscoder: thanks, i'll check that.
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3071[17:04:07] <jscoder> maunix_: you know its remotely possible the bios or something has a power saving feature too that is making it sleep
3072[17:04:07] <celyr> jelly, I've installed nullmailer on a test machine, configured smarthost and the machine name. Now I would like to test how email get forwarded. How should I invoke sendmail to have as close as possible scenario ?
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3075[17:04:28] <jscoder> maunix_: particularly if its onboard nic
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3077[17:04:44] <greycat> celyr: echo "testing" | mail root
3078[17:05:09] <jscoder> maunix_: that would likely show up in d,esg too though as a change in link status
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3089[17:09:03] <fireba11> question: fail2ban got a new jail.d folder. is that to overwrite parts of jail.conf (instead of using a jail.local) or is that to add new configs? found no documentation about that
3090[17:09:08] <celyr> greycat, tnx I'm testing
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3096[17:11:54] <jelly> fireba11: probably to facilitate packaging and enabling jails separately instead of everything in one file
3097[17:12:10] <celyr> greycat, Is it supposed to send emails to root@domain ?
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3100[17:12:26] <celyr> greycat, because it seems that is specifying something different than root
3101[17:12:31] <celyr> And I'm not really understanding.
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3103[17:12:57] <jelly> fireba11: but I'm still using jail.conf so don't trust me
3104[17:12:59] <greycat> celyr: It sends mail to "root", your local user, in your default local mail domain, just like cron will do.
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3108[17:13:30] <celyr> greycat, but If I have nullmailer it should transfer them to the host I've specified
3109[17:13:39] <greycat> Then that's what you are testing.
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3111[17:14:02] <celyr> and since I've aliased root@domain.tld I should receive them
3112[17:14:09] <greycat> See how nullmailer rewrites the destination address, see what happens on each machine, see where the mail ends up.
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3116[17:14:17] <johnfg> ,v openldap
3117[17:14:18] <judd> No package named 'openldap' was found in amd64.
3118[17:14:27] <celyr> The problem is that, up to domino logs, it's sending to somethingdifferent@domain.tld
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3120[17:14:55] <greycat> So the email is being received, rewritten, and sent on. Sounds like things are working.
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3122[17:15:14] <johnfg> jelly: What's that bot cmd to show what version(s) is available for a particular pkg?
3123[17:15:26] <greycat> johnfg: that was the right command. You just need a valid package name.
3124[17:15:32] <celyr> greycat, Ok I'm dumb
3125[17:15:36] <greycat> Finding the package name is the hard part.
3126[17:15:42] <celyr> greycat, I was writing only the domain instead of the full address
3127[17:15:44] <johnfg> greycat: right, slapd, just remembered.
3128[17:15:51] <johnfg> ,v slapd
3129[17:15:52] <judd> Package: slapd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.31-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.4.31-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.4.31+really2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 2.4.44+dfsg-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; sid: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; buster: 2.4.44+dfsg-5
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3139[17:18:27] <celyr> greycat, tnx now it's working
3140[17:18:48] <fireba11> jelly: okay, i'll continue to use jail.conf then. do i need to put the whole service block there or can i just put a single value and it gets added to the things from jail.conf?
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3148[17:21:55] <jelly> fireba11: I guess you just open a [service] block and just list changes from defaults
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3150[17:22:31] <fireba11> jelly: seems so, just found some info that says the same :-D
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3190[17:35:59] <fireba11> jelly: ah, there is a debian file in jail.d, so you can use those instead of a jail.local if you want to split it
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3202[17:40:23] <Violinist> how come i dont need to install fuse for sshfs
3203[17:40:37] <fireba11> lol ... fail2ban for postfix-sasl gets iptables errors, anyone got an idea how to fix that?
3204[17:40:40] <greycat> That was a change in jessie. It's much simpler now.
3205[17:41:18] <celyr> ,v kernel
3206[17:41:19] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
3207[17:41:22] <celyr> meh
3208[17:41:27] <celyr> ,v linux-image
3209[17:41:28] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
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3211[17:41:40] <celyr> ok I'll fall back to package.debian
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3216[17:42:17] <AtheroS__> hello, i try to use kali on a raspberry, i set up a luks encrypted rootfs and a custom initramfs with │ _Nox
3217[17:42:19] <AtheroS__> | simonschiele's initramfs repo, i connects to the network, but i cant log in via dropbear, it gives permission │ a1berto_
3218[17:42:21] <AtheroS__> | denied (publickey), even with rhe correct key, i want to use a working login method with password and set up a │ a5m0
3219[17:42:23] <AtheroS__> | hostapd in initramfs to enter the password, how can i do this ? │ Absolute0x0
3220[17:42:25] <AtheroS__> 17:37:08 AtheroS__ | currently i tried to log in via ethernet, i can ping and i see ssh running on port 22, but it doesn't let me │ AdamAntium27
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3223[17:42:51] <greycat> !tell atheros__ about kali
3224[17:43:00] <celyr> he is gone I'm afarid
3225[17:43:05] <celyr> anyway
3226[17:43:09] <AtheroS__> i'm here
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3228[17:43:13] <petn-randall> !kali
3229[17:43:13] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3230[17:43:14] <greycat> He came back, but I figured dpkg would msg him while he was gone.
3231[17:43:17] <petn-randall> AtheroS__: ^^^
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3233[17:43:28] <petn-randall> (not supported in here)
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3235[17:43:47] <AtheroS__> i asked it already on #kali-linux
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3238[17:44:05] <petn-randall> AtheroS__: I guess you have to be a little patient. Or use Debian instead of Kali.
3239[17:44:15] <JJScrawls> So is there a way to get Netflix working on Chromium?
3240[17:44:28] <towo`> use chrome
3241[17:44:29] <JJScrawls> I downloaded Widevine from the repos but it isnt working still
3242[17:44:29] <AtheroS__> in this situation, debian=kali, i asked about a basic system thing not about pentesting
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3244[17:44:40] <petn-randall> !based on debian
3245[17:44:40] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
3246[17:44:40] <towo`> AtheroS__, no
3247[17:44:43] <petn-randall> AtheroS__: ^^^
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3249[17:44:57] <towo`> AtheroS__, if kali would be debian, it would named debian
3250[17:45:05] <petn-randall> It's been discussed to death, we only support Debian in here for a lot of technical and social reasons.
3251[17:45:14] <JJScrawls> towo' I have chrome but I don't fully trust google
3252[17:45:31] <fireba11> AtheroS__: also i tried to get dropbear working with debian but failed a while ago :-D
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3254[17:46:42] <AtheroS__> !dont_think_just_give_pre_written_answers_with_!_
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3256[17:46:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
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3260[17:47:25] <JJScrawls> So no working Widevine w/ Chromium under Linux -____-
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3263[17:47:57] <greycat> Also, while I'm at it: any sympathy you might have received as a Kali user asking for help in #debian flew straight out the window when you pasted a massive wall of crazy indented text instead of forming a simple, coherent question.
3264[17:48:29] <greycat> You demonstrated laziness and a desire to shift all of the effort onto US instead of putting forth any effort yourself.
3265[17:48:32] <JJScrawls> I'm pretty sure #kali exists
3266[17:48:51] <greycat> He was told to go to the Kali channel multiple times.
3267[17:49:01] <petn-randall> JJScrawls: The correct channel is already in the !kali factoid.
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3269[17:49:05] <JJScrawls> like reddit im pretty sure there is an IRC channel for everything
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3273[17:49:21] <jelly> JJScrawls: they've already asked in #kali-linux and want fast answers NOW regardless of our policies
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3275[17:49:45] <Violinist> how come i dont need to install fuse for sshfs
3276[17:49:53] <JJScrawls> so ducking it doesnt give an answer(duck duck go, I call it ducking)
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3278[17:49:57] <jelly> Violinist: it's installed already?
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3280[17:50:02] <greycat> Violinist: it changed in jessie. It's just how it works.
3281[17:50:15] <Violinist> oh rly
3282[17:50:22] <jelly> ,depends sshfs
3283[17:50:23] <judd> Package sshfs in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), libfuse2 (>= 2.7), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), fuse, openssh-client.
3284[17:50:25] <Violinist> it comes with it or not needed
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3286[17:50:42] <greycat> Post-wheezy, you do not need to add the user to the 'fuse' group any more.
3287[17:50:45] <Violinist> oh let me search for fusy
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3290[17:50:57] <greycat> Why can't you just be happy that it works?
3291[17:51:02] <Violinist> oh yeah thats what im talkign about, groups
3292[17:51:09] <Violinist> coz i had to add it before
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3294[17:51:22] <jelly> Violinist: things change. Sometimes for the better.
3295[17:51:24] <Violinist> ya now it just works
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3297[17:51:32] <Violinist> but i duno how
3298[17:51:51] * jelly doesn't know either
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3300[17:52:07] <greycat> I couldn't find the wiki page. I'm sure there is one, and I'm sure I've seen it before, but apparently it's not any variation of "sshfs" or "fuse" :(
3301[17:52:23] <Violinist> so wat about the permissions
3302[17:52:30] <greycat> Just. Works. Just. BE. HAPPY.
3303[17:52:32] <Violinist> i see numbers for user and group
3304[17:52:35] <greycat> my god
3305[17:52:39] <Violinist> but im able to save
3306[17:52:41] <Violinist> lol
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3308[17:52:54] <jelly> 0666 on /dev/fuse may have something to do with it
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3311[17:53:39] <Violinist> also when i save the file permissions dotn change remote
3312[17:53:47] <Violinist> how does that even work lol
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3314[17:55:11] <JJScrawls> someone on Reddit got chromium/widevine/Netflix working on Stretch but I can't get it to work -___-
3315[17:55:35] <JJScrawls> replaced-url
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3317[17:56:39] <greycat> Violinist: writing to an existing file never changes the permissions. I don't know what you are expecting to see.
3318[17:57:22] <Violinist> oh
3319[17:57:47] <Violinist> very well
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3321[17:58:13] <Violinist> should i mound as root or user?
3322[17:58:28] <BluesKaj> JJScrawls, netflix is supposed towork on chrome
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3324[17:58:34] <greycat> You should continue doing whatever you are doing that is working.
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3326[17:58:45] <Violinist> ya u rite lol
3327[17:58:45] <greycat> You should stop looking the gift horse in the mouth.
3328[17:58:56] <Violinist> lelelel
3329[17:59:05] <JJScrawls> lol
3330[17:59:10] <Violinist> ya but i want to know exactly wat im doing
3331[17:59:24] <greycat> We don't know what you are doing. Only you know this.
3332[17:59:24] <Violinist> instead of blindly following the steps
3333[18:00:06] <JJScrawls> the steps tell you what you are doing, research the commands used and find out what they are used for
3334[18:00:14] <JJScrawls> thats what I do
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3336[18:00:34] <greycat> "man sshfs" shows you the commands for mounting and unmounting
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3340[18:03:01] <Violinist> do i need to worry about the missing user
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3342[18:03:14] <Violinist> coz user and group shows as numbers
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3344[18:03:32] <greycat> That's just a lack of the UID / GID on the source (mounting) system.
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3346[18:03:39] <Violinist> right
3347[18:03:47] <greycat> Same as you would experience if you used NFS to mount it.
3348[18:03:48] <Violinist> so does it matter any?
3349[18:03:59] <Guest91955> Debian 9 - is there a bug in the Cinnamon DE "backgrounds" settings function? Some of the choices (Adwaita, Inksplat, and Joy) seem to have no image associated with them.
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3351[18:04:16] <greycat> If you are able to read and write the files, then it doesn't matter.
3352[18:04:58] <jelly> Violinist: sshfs mostly fakes permissions and users. It's a sftp client, and it can only do things your remote user can do. Only root can set arbitrary ownerships, for example
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3355[18:05:51] <jelly> Violinist: and if uid and gid numbers on local and remote systems do not match, or even do not exist... then you won't see them match
3356[18:06:09] <jelly> Violinist: read about idmap in man sshfs for possible workarounds
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3358[18:07:28] <Violinist> ok cool
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3364[18:09:47] <th0r> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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3369[18:10:54] <solarnetone> !bongswat
3370[18:10:54] <dpkg> bongswat is probably "Hit the bong, man!"
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3373[18:11:26] <jelly> sadly, no more !penixstrike
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3401[18:20:03] <Guest91955> Does anyone her use the Cinnamon DE?
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3403[18:20:55] <BluesKaj> Guest91955, don't take polls. just ask your real question
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3410[18:22:15] <Guest91955> Okay, is there a problem with the Cinnamon backgrounds function?
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3412[18:22:28] <JJScrawls> There may be, I use KDE so idk
3413[18:22:36] <Guest91955> Some of the choices are missing.
3414[18:22:37] <JJScrawls> I know there is a Thunderbird issue
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3416[18:23:27] <JJScrawls> usually there are some remaining small issues to work out with a major release like this
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3419[18:24:34] <jhutchins_wk> Guest91955: I would guess that the list of backgrounds is not generated from actual files, but is set at some upstream point, and that the Debian packages you have installed don't include all of them. You could look at the Cinnamon documentation or search for additional packages in Debain.
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3421[18:24:53] <jhutchins_wk> Guest91955: It's also possible that Cinnamon assumes that there is a full install of Gnome lurking on the system.
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3423[18:25:14] <Guest91955> BTW, is Cinnamon based on Gnome? They look suspiciously similar somehow.
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3425[18:26:09] <jhutchins_wk> !cinnamon
3426[18:26:09] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. replaced-url
3427[18:26:24] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
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3436[18:29:09] <Guest91955> I mostly like Cinnamon, but if it's based on Gnome, then it's just more redhat botnet.
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3439[18:30:20] <petn-randall> Guest91955: You are not talking sense.
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3445[18:31:48] <Guest91955> Gnome is just a vassal state of redhat (today the init, tomorrow the world!)
3446[18:32:46] <petn-randall> Guest91955: Conspiracy theories are offtopic here. This channel is for support only. You might want to try other channels, though:
3447[18:32:49] <petn-randall> !chat
3448[18:32:49] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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3451[18:33:35] <Guest91955> Okay, Lennart.
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3454[18:34:42] <petn-randall> *plonk*
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3467[18:37:57] <funny> Which are the most geek people channel on irc; tell me channel names in descending order
3468[18:38:43] <L00thar> Another systemd hater.
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3471[18:39:44] <Guest91955> Yes, I do despise systemd. Any questions?
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3475[18:41:24] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
3476[18:41:24] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
3477[18:41:29] <towo`> then you shouls switch to devuan, debian is not the right distro for you
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3480[18:42:55] <L00thar> lol
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3483[18:43:22] <L00thar> Gentoo.
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3485[18:43:58] <Guest91955> dpkg: thanx 4 the info.
3486[18:43:58] <dpkg> de rien, Guest91955
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3488[18:45:40] <Guest91955> towo': I tried Devuan 1.0.0 - packages too old, and it wouldn't upgrade to ascii correctly.
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3504[18:50:35] <Guest91955> L00thar: Install (and use) Gentoo? Ain't nobody got time for that!
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3513[18:54:21] <forcerecon> is there any way in debian 9 to allow applications that are open on multiple screens to minimize to their own screen rather than the main screen? and is there any way to add the panel so it has the time on it
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3517[18:55:59] <tremolo> forcerecon: I do this with KDE at home. Each screen has its own panel (with task manager configured to show only windows on that screen).
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3519[18:56:07] <tremolo> Which desktop environment are you using?
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3522[18:57:50] <forcerecon> debian 9
3523[18:58:03] <forcerecon> claws mail 3.14.1
3524[18:58:22] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Debian 9 is not a desktop environment.
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3527[18:58:42] <forcerecon> then what is it considered
3528[18:58:44] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Neither is claws.
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3530[18:59:11] <mtn> heh
3531[18:59:12] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, look into *activities"
3532[18:59:18] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: debian 9 is a distribution release which can use many different desktop environments - Gnome, Cinnamon, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc.
3533[18:59:49] <BluesKaj> asuming you're using kde/plasma
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3535[18:59:53] <forcerecon> okay.. cinnamon being the titanic of them all correct?
3536[18:59:56] <shtrb> forcerecon , can you do a screenshot and upload ?
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3538[19:00:03] <BluesKaj> nope
3539[19:00:16] <forcerecon> so why is cinnamon so in demand
3540[19:00:25] <forcerecon> it is the most resource intensive no
3541[19:00:27] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: replaced-url
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3543[19:00:38] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: No, and it's not.
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3545[19:00:45] <BluesKaj> gnome is probly the most popular, dunno why
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3550[19:01:17] <johnfg_> on stretch I only get: @(#) $OpenLDAP: slapd (May 28 2017 16:59:46) $
3551[19:01:20] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: For some reason it's the default on several distros. Possibly because it was the most complete ahead of the others.
3552[19:01:22] <BluesKaj> it's default in the debian installer
3553[19:01:28] <Guest91955> forcerecon: try XFCE. Light, but ugly.
3554[19:01:29] <johnfg_> Debian OpenLDAP Maintainers <pkg-openldap-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
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3557[19:02:00] <BluesKaj> gnome is the ugly one IMO
3558[19:02:11] <forcerecon> cinnamon is not even on that list or is it listed as something else
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3560[19:02:19] <tremolo> I used gnome for a while, on redhat 7 or 8.
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3562[19:02:26] <Guest91955> XFCE fonts are so blurry they hurt my eyes.
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3564[19:02:55] <petn-randall> Guest91955: You might want to play with the subpixel hinting settings.
3565[19:03:24] <Guest91955> I did. No difference on my display.
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3569[19:04:19] <petn-randall> Guest91955: Maybe check with the eye specialist? :P
3570[19:04:27] <Guest91955> :)
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3579[19:05:50] <jhutchins_wk> Guest91955: I use xfce and there is no blurriness. It's something else about your system, not xfce.
3580[19:07:07] <Guest91955> Maybe. It's an older system. But Gnome and Cinnamon just seem visually "crisper".
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3582[19:08:46] <Guest91955> But XFCE is much lighter on ram, 200mb and change, instead of pushing 800mb.
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3587[19:11:04] <ponyofdeath> hey guys anyone using openconnect with rsa on-demand token codes?
3588[19:11:11] <petn-randall> !anyone
3589[19:11:11] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3590[19:11:14] <ponyofdeath> cant seem to get mine to work on linux
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3592[19:11:48] <petn-randall> ponyofdeath: Ask your real question, and try to provide as much details as possible. If someone knows the answer, they'll respond (might take an hour or so, please be patient).
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3612[19:19:43] <jhutchins_wk> ponyofdeath: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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3634[19:25:42] <TheDune> hello all
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3642[19:29:25] <ponyofdeath> jhutchins_wk: well exported my windows user SSL client cert. then used openconnect -c cert.pfx --csd-user username --csd-wrapper ~/csd_wrapper.sh replaced-url
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3645[19:31:51] <forcerecon> is there anyway to see speed of wireless on linux basically that it is running on AC
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3647[19:32:49] <petn-randall> forcerecon: iwconfig shows you the connected speed on the CLI. And hovering over the network-manager icon does, too, IIRC.
3648[19:32:57] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: What I've seen across linux, windows, and android is that the most you can get is the theoretical max speed of whatever protocol has been chosen. Actual throughput requires some sort of bandwidth test.
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3650[19:33:54] <forcerecon> Bit Rate=866.5 Mb/s Tx-Power=200 dBm Seems to be working well
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3653[19:34:24] <forcerecon> thanks for another command I am learning in my arsenal
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3657[19:35:20] <jhutchins_wk> ponyofdeath: What does rsa support say?
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3662[19:36:17] <ERROH> hello
3663[19:36:58] <ERROH> I've made manual changes to source after running debuild. Now I'm re-running it with -nc, but it won't pick it up. What can I do?
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3665[19:38:18] <forcerecon> since installing stretch, how often does everyone do an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
3666[19:38:23] <ponyofdeath> jhutchins_wk: well i doubt they support linux
3667[19:38:32] <greycat> daily
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3670[19:38:52] <forcerecon> thanks.. want to get a regiment down
3671[19:38:54] <forcerecon> appreciated
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3674[19:39:53] <forcerecon> streaming over a vpn with tor to my class online is a bit hesitant.. not bad but still blips.. guess I should not expect more.. in a 12 minute class span it stops about 3 times for a second
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3679[19:42:18] <forcerecon> since nvidia drivers were installed for this machine, should I expect an dist-upgrade will update those drivers as well
3680[19:42:41] <greycat> I wouldn't expect those to be updated any time soon.
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3684[19:43:28] <cef> ,kernel
3685[19:43:29] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-1)
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3705[19:50:27] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Alternatively, subscribe to the announce mailing list and do it when you see something interesting.
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3721[19:57:29] <forcerecon> jhutchins_wk: thanks I will do that..
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3747[20:12:21] <dhaller> going on ~10 hours trying to install this in debian, Almost insane at this point, Please help
3748[20:12:21] <dhaller> replaced-url
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3756[20:17:38] <jhutchins_wk> dhaller: Goodness, what if you had to turn out 200 machines a day?
3757[20:17:53] <dhaller> ?
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3759[20:18:16] <dhaller> Oh I'm sorry, some stupid fucking troll
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3761[20:18:55] <greycat> Tell us what "this" is, so we know whether to waste time opening your URL or querying you for details.
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3763[20:19:18] <jhutchins_wk> dhaller: You're attempting to build arbitrary third party code. It doesn't appear to be a problem with the debian build tools.
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3765[20:19:44] <jhutchins_wk> dhaller: There's a lot of trial-and-error in building code, even experienced users have to work through that.
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3769[20:21:21] <jhutchins_wk> Ten hours is probably enough at one sitting anyway.
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3771[20:22:16] <cef> looks like dhaller was building this: replaced-url
3772[20:23:00] <greycat> sounds rather specialized. does it have its own IRC channel? web forum? mailing list? bug tracking system?
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3776[20:24:33] <cef> no idea. I just used google :P
3777[20:24:41] <cef> and seems he's gone anyway.
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3785[20:29:40] <jhutchins_wk> Since the error was failure to create a directory in a location that's not writable by non-root users, I'm betting it was failure to run as root.
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3788[20:30:01] <greycat> Oh, you actually clicked it? Brave.
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3790[20:30:24] <jhutchins_wk> Many people will argue that you should never "make" as root, but if you're doing a system-wide install it's pretty much a given.
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3792[20:30:45] <greycat> I figure if the guy can't bother to say "I'm building gnatcoll on stretch amd64, and I get these errors" then he won't be helpable, so I won't even bother looking.
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3796[20:31:05] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, he looked like he just wanted to rant.
3797[20:31:11] <jhutchins_wk> Been on the job too long.
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3800[20:32:17] <leachim6> just upgraded to stretch
3801[20:32:22] <leachim6> no issues yet
3802[20:32:24] <leachim6> #winning
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3805[20:35:04] <glycol> hi everyone, i'm getting consistently 30+ second boot times instead of ~5 after upgrading to stretch, it's mostly "Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done." repeating for 20+ seconds, i only have one line in fstab and the UUID matches
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3810[20:36:01] <armin> hi, i looked at the source code of the apt program and found out there is Apt::Cmd::Disable-Script-Warning so i created a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80apt-disable-warning.conf and set this to "false". however, when calling apt search foo | less i still get a warning message. any hint how to disable this?
3811[20:36:39] <glycol> that message only shows up in recovery mode btw
3812[20:36:45] <rhizome> armin: xy problem. what is your actual goal?
3813[20:36:56] <armin> glycol: what's "recovery mode"?
3814[20:37:08] <armin> rhizome: disabling those warnings when using a pipe.
3815[20:37:12] <greycat> rhizome: the "apt search" command produces a stupid warning if you pipe it through something.
3816[20:37:35] <rhizome> gotcha
3817[20:37:42] <greycat> armin: shouldn't "disable-whatever" be true, not false?
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3819[20:37:52] <tremolo> "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts."
3820[20:37:54] <armin> greycat: oh!
3821[20:38:00] <rhizome> oh right, i've seen that
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3823[20:38:15] <ChmEarl> glycol, your root in on LVM?
3824[20:38:23] <armin> greycat: *head->table* thanks a lot again, greg...
3825[20:38:36] <armin> it's definitely too damn hot in here.
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3827[20:38:51] <glycol> ChmEarl: no but lvm is installed for no good reason, should i remove it and try again?
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3829[20:39:25] <glycol> nvm i actually need it for external devices
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3831[20:40:10] <ChmEarl> glycol, remove the LVM (move it up a level) hook in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks, then update-initramfs
3832[20:40:14] <jhutchins_wk> glycol: 5 second boot times? Really? What kind of hardware?
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3834[20:40:43] <ChmEarl> glycol, ^^ thats how I fixed it
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3836[20:41:26] <dgriffi> I started a jigdo download of a double-layer bluray debian install iso. it was interrupted, so I started it again.
3837[20:41:49] <dgriffi> but now it just stalls with "Copied input files to temporary file `debian-9.0.0-amd64-BD-1.iso.tmp' - repeat command and supply more files to continue"
3838[20:42:25] <dgriffi> what's going on?
3839[20:42:54] <dgriffi> jigdo-lite shows up in htop as taking 100% cpu on one of my four cores.
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3843[20:46:06] <wallbroken> everytime i need to start lxde
3844[20:46:13] <wallbroken> i need to type: startx
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3846[20:46:19] <wallbroken> how to make it manually
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3848[20:46:40] <greycat> You mean automatic? Install lightdm
3849[20:46:44] <jhutchins_wk> wallbroken: That looks pretty manual to me.
3850[20:46:55] <wallbroken> what?
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3853[20:50:37] <wallbroken> greycat, yes, sorry. i only need to install it?
3854[20:50:56] <wallbroken> and if i add the command "startx" to some autorun script?
3855[20:51:24] <greycat> lightdm is a display manager. It will run at boot time and give you a graphical login screen.
3856[20:51:44] <wallbroken> greycat, i don't need a graphical login
3857[20:51:49] <greycat> Logging in through a DM is not the same as logging in on the console and running startx, but if you really want an automatic starting of X, and don't care about the differences in dot files, then lightdm is for you.
3858[20:53:05] <wallbroken> greycat, i don't need a startup window
3859[20:53:16] <wallbroken> i just want that when i turn on my pc
3860[20:53:16] <greycat> Then I don't know what you ant.
3861[20:53:22] <wallbroken> the desktop is here
3862[20:53:28] <greycat> *blink*
3863[20:53:30] <greycat> is this a laptop?
3864[20:53:33] <wallbroken> yes
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3866[20:53:40] <greycat> AHHHH. I don't do laptops. Good luck with that.
3867[20:53:49] <jhutchins_wk> wallbroken: You can configure lightdm to automatically log you in.
3868[20:53:49] <dax> lightdm can be configured to automatically log you in to a particular user
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3870[20:54:04] <wallbroken> is easy to do?
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3872[20:54:14] <jhutchins_wk> (Unfortunately, documentation is a bit out of sync with released versions.)
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3875[20:55:14] <jhutchins_wk> wallbroken: replaced-url
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3877[20:56:01] <sm0kew0n> Hi, does anyone know of some good guides to running X11 programs without having a DE installed?
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3880[20:56:35] <glycol> ChmEarl: there was an initramfs "resume" file that had the UUID of a nonexisting swap device in it, now it's only systemd holding up everything till there's a network connection
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3885[20:57:30] <ChmEarl> glycol, glad its sorted
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3897[21:03:01] <jhutchins_wk> sm0kew0n: Could you be more specific? Maybe an example?
3898[21:03:02] <glycol> someone asked what hardware has 5 second boot times: recent intel board with just IGP and ssd
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3901[21:03:45] <jhutchins_wk> glycol: igp?
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3903[21:03:59] <glycol> integrated graphics
3904[21:04:51] <jhutchins_wk> glycol: Waiting on the dhcp process?
3905[21:05:12] <glycol> if you have dedicated graphics that usually adds a few seconds, doesn't matter if open source or not
3906[21:05:31] <glycol> jhutchins_wk: yeah, wasn't like that on jessie
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3909[21:06:31] <wallbroken> i've already made an autologin procedure for ttty
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3911[21:06:47] <wallbroken> when i turn on the pc, tty is logged in
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3914[21:06:55] <wallbroken> this is not useful for lxde?
3915[21:06:58] <sm0kew0n> I have a pi0 that base install + X, I'm getting Xapps via ssh and vnc, with no DE or WM. How would this work on my desktop, would I need a wm?
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3917[21:07:20] <forcerecon> are there any recent docs on setting up a lexmark network printer on debian 9
3918[21:07:26] <greycat> wallbroken: so you want the dirtiest, ugliest hack that will make 'startx' run when your shell autologin happens? Put startx in your ~/.profile
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3920[21:08:29] <jhutchins_wk> Maybe startxfce4?
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3922[21:09:00] <wallbroken> greycat, why "dirtiest?
3923[21:09:09] <jhutchins_wk> sm0kew0n: No, you don't need a local xserver.
3924[21:09:27] <greycat> wallbroken: you'll get startx errors if you launch a login shell for any other reason, e.g. if you ssh into this laptop
3925[21:09:40] <greycat> you can probably just ignore them. not likely to see 'em anyway.
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3927[21:10:05] <jhutchins_wk> sm0kew0n: On some systems I was able to just install xclock and that pulled in enough dependencies to forward X. May have been xclock and/or xterm.
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3931[21:11:33] <sm0kew0n> jhutchins_wk, can you run a wm without a DE?
3932[21:12:11] <greycat> sm0kew0n: I do it.
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3935[21:14:13] <sm0kew0n> greycat, cool. Then I want to. So you open everything from a console, do Xapps work okay with screens or tmux?
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3939[21:15:47] <greycat> I use fvwm. I login (not autologin -- I type my name and password) on the text console, and run startx. This starts X, and fvwm, and whatever else I configured to run in my ~/.xsession file (mostly a bunch of terminals).
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3941[21:16:10] <greycat> I can run anything else I want from one of those terminals, or from fvwm's built-in menus, which I have configured in ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc over the years.
3942[21:16:13] <greycat> Decades, really.
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3947[21:17:19] <sm0kew0n> greycat, thanks for the tips.
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3950[21:17:56] <greycat> There are plenty of other window managers. Fvwm may not be the best choice for you. Try lots of them and see which ones you like.
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3955[21:20:37] <jhutchins_wk> sm0kew0n: According to RedHat, xorg-x11-xauth xorg-x11-fonts-* xorg-x11-utils. I don't remember having to do fonts. utils might pull auth as a dependency (or vice-versa).
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3958[21:23:23] <jhutchins_wk> sm0kew0n: For debian xauth should be enough, no xorg-x11- prefix.
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3960[21:24:25] <greycat> I didn't realize debian put xauth into its own package.
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3964[21:24:58] <jhutchins_wk> RH does too.
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3971[21:29:43] <forcerecon> installed the printer.. it works!
3972[21:30:04] <forcerecon> figuring stuff out is pretty awesome..
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3978[21:30:54] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, a HP printer?
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3981[21:31:15] <forcerecon> Lexmark E240n Network printer
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3984[21:32:08] <forcerecon> you cannot use TOR browser to set up a printer.. it needs to be a local browser like FF
3985[21:32:11] <glycol> forcerecon: are network printers "universal" or do they still need specific files to work?
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3987[21:32:19] <BluesKaj> lexmark has not been linux friendly in years past, I can personally vouch for that
3988[21:32:24] <glycol> forcerecon: lol
3989[21:32:44] <forcerecon> I checked to see if cups was installed, it is.. went to localhost:631
3990[21:32:56] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, but a network printer? That's easy.
3991[21:33:08] <forcerecon> clicked admin add printer, it checks, showed up my printer, picked it and then picked a driver e260 en
3992[21:33:20] <forcerecon> printed from mail.. was very easy..
3993[21:33:40] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: cups has come a long way.
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3995[21:34:30] <forcerecon> I remember a long time ago using ARC Linux.. not even sure if it is around.. but the dev was a great guy.. but installing my printer.. what a pain.. not to mention he made drivers for me specifically for nvidia even at that time
3996[21:34:41] <forcerecon> really good guy.. wonder what happened to them
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4003[21:36:46] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
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4005[21:37:19] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, thought you said you were new to iinux
4006[21:37:33] <forcerecon> no.. this was like 18 years ago
4007[21:37:48] <forcerecon> it was a long time ago..
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4010[21:37:55] <forcerecon> page loading thanks for the link
4011[21:38:05] <jhutchins_wk> " What all ARC implementations have in common is their strict non-compliance to the ARC standard, so the ARC Standard document should be taken with a shovel of salt."
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4013[21:38:44] <TheDune> does anyone know if there is a deb package that includes all the components for programming in C such as gdb, gcc, make etc?
4014[21:38:58] <greycat> TheDune: build-essential
4015[21:39:00] <forcerecon> this distro was named Arc Linux..
4016[21:39:10] <jhutchins_wk> !build-essential
4017[21:39:10] <dpkg> [build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>.
4018[21:39:19] <greycat> I don't think it includes gdb, though
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4020[21:39:35] <glycol> yeah gdb isnt in the deps
4021[21:39:35] <jhutchins_wk> It has several kitchen sinks.
4022[21:39:37] <greycat> You can install gdb separately.
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4024[21:40:05] <jhutchins_wk> We don't need no steenkin debugger!
4025[21:40:31] <greycat> They're not bugs! They're emergent features!
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4027[21:40:50] <glycol> printf("doesn't crash before this");
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4033[21:42:16] <TheDune> awesome! thanks all
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4037[21:43:12] <TheDune> so when I try to run the man page for gcc, it tells me to reference man 7...cant I get a man page for this
4038[21:43:13] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: That does sound familiar, but google doesn't know about it.
4039[21:43:20] <forcerecon> BluesKaj: I have not used linux in like 18 years.. so I consider myself very new.. I just started about 3 months ago.. so yeah getting back in.. but I never really did anything too complicated
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4041[21:43:57] <forcerecon> it was a graphical linux as well.. I remember like a blue triangle or something.. with a dot in the middle.. not sure.. long time ago
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4043[21:44:01] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, ok, understood :-)
4044[21:44:11] <greycat> TheDune: gcc-doc is a non-free package
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4046[21:45:15] <forcerecon> if my steam game was working I would be silly happy.. I am just happy that debian went so smoothly with everyones help..
4047[21:45:20] <forcerecon> this is really great..
4048[21:45:28] <TheDune> greycat: well that sucks
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4052[21:47:00] <jhutchins_wk> TheDune: It's still available, it's just how it's licensed.
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4055[21:47:17] <BluesKaj> don't remenber Arc , but I recall trying Knoppix on a live cd, ofcourse it didn't do much . Couldn't connec to the internet so to me it was a dud. Took another 2yrs before I looked again and discovered debian and most of the other "biggies"
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4057[21:48:54] <forcerecon> Once you start to get into it.. you find you are little more in control.. nice, lots of people just don't have time to do anything but what they need to do. Hence Tech Support. I have been a novel and window guy for almost 32 years..
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4059[21:49:24] <forcerecon> mostly windows after 1998
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4062[21:49:47] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Yeah, nt4 finally solved the novel problem.
4063[21:49:50] <TheDune> i just did an 'apt show gcc'--what is the difference between the suggests and the recommends?
4064[21:50:03] <greycat> !suggests
4065[21:50:15] <greycat> bah.
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4067[21:50:48] <forcerecon> yes, exactly I converted for Merck Pharma in Whitehouse station NJ 43 novel servers to Windows NT.. using compaq proliants.. 150K a piece and I had to purchase like 6 and a couple 3000s as well..
4068[21:50:57] <forcerecon> that was huge.
4069[21:51:30] <forcerecon> the only thing back then that was a problem for us was like patch 6a for print servers.. would just kill the system..
4070[21:51:38] <forcerecon> boy those were the days.. all gone
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4079[21:54:42] <eternal-pain> hey. does anyone know if there will be an up-to-date release-version of firefox and thunderbird on stretch-backports or the mozilla-team repo?
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4081[21:55:20] <greycat> Your nickname is apt.
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4083[21:56:05] <simp_> eternal-pain, i've got 52.0a2 from the mozilla repo
4084[21:56:11] <teraflops> eternal-pain: there is one at least on Mozilla repos if my neuron is still fine
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4089[21:57:33] <aotaoint1in> so, i have an old squeeze server
4090[21:57:46] <eternal-pain> 54.0 is release and replaced-url
4091[21:57:47] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, in 1983 I was working with analytical devices that used Spectra Physics integrators and basic mono colour monitors with DOS programs on device connected computers.The first Gui I recall using was a windows 3.1 pc which was very modern at the time ;-)
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4093[21:58:01] <eternal-pain> seems to be a rust-issue, but i'm not a dev
4094[21:58:10] <aotaoint1in> and i want to decomission it on schedule...
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4096[21:58:46] <greycat> eternal-pain: either use 52 (firefox-esr), or use upstream tarballs, or wait for the crazy mozilla.debian.whatever thing
4097[21:58:53] <aotaoint1in> was hoping to echo "shutdown now" | at sometime
4098[21:59:03] <jhutchins_wk> aotaoint1in: Use at.
4099[21:59:04] <aotaoint1in> but there's no at on this server. and i can't apt-get install at because squeeze.
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4102[21:59:14] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
4103[21:59:14] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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4107[21:59:25] <aotaoint1in> thanks :)
4108[21:59:34] <forcerecon> 1983.. got my first computer an AST Model 120 6 8 and 10 Mhz, Cost my dad like 3500 dollars with a dotmatrix printer.. lol.. I never lost interest.. I still have my first dos discs
4109[22:00:04] <BluesKaj> heh
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4114[22:02:15] <BluesKaj> I'm an old retired guy now, and linux has been my hobby for the last 12 or 13 yrs
4115[22:02:32] <jhutchins_wk> aotaoint1in: shutdown takes a time instead of now.
4116[22:02:49] <jhutchins_wk> aotaoint1in: Or if you need this days in advance, just put it in cron.
4117[22:03:00] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: or he could install at, and use at.
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4119[22:03:27] <greycat> might as well pull in whatever squeeze-lts updates he missed, while he's at it
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4122[22:05:01] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Decommission implies he's not going to turn it back on.
4123[22:05:30] <greycat> *shrug*
4124[22:06:26] <forcerecon> If I would stuck with it since 1990 something I might be on the dev team
4125[22:06:33] <BluesKaj> well, enough for one day..time to close up ...laters
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4128[22:06:52] <forcerecon> Have a great one bluesk
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4130[22:07:16] <forcerecon> BluesKaj, have a great one
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4146[22:14:26] <forcerecon> Thanks again for all the help today everyone.. appreciated.. hope you all have a great evening. ttyl
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4175[22:33:03] <_abc_> Reading replaced-url
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4179[22:35:03] <jhutchins_wk> _abc_: I believe it also has to do with what Debian would have to pay for it.
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4181[22:35:51] <jhutchins_wk> _abc_: Secureboot was developed to keep people from installing Linux.
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4183[22:36:28] <_abc_> Sure. And debian was developed to help people install linux :)
4184[22:36:54] <_abc_> Was there a discussion? Or was it a decision taken as is because money?
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4190[22:37:57] <greycat> What "decision" are you referring to?
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4193[22:38:54] <missmbob> this is all i saw on the mailing lists. replaced-url
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4196[22:39:15] <latez_> Quick question for you guys - have any of you ever had to fsck an iscsi volume
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4201[22:43:21] <jaggz> so.. my dist-upgrade rendered my ssd-based system unbootable.
4202[22:43:34] <jaggz> well, it boots, but drops me at a prompt without access to anything :)
4203[22:44:22] <jhutchins_wk> jaggz: Are there errors? Is it giving you a normal shell and just not starting X?
4204[22:45:02] <greycat> Sounds lke the busybox shell in the initramfs. Details needed.
4205[22:45:03] <tedolfus> Could someone experienced with recovering encrypted ext4 disks take a look at this? replaced-url
4206[22:45:23] <jaggz> jhutchins_wk, oh, no.. I haven't noticed a functional problem at all
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4208[22:45:31] <jhutchins_wk> television: Please use paste.debian.net - pastebin has problems.
4209[22:45:36] <jaggz> jhutchins_wk, sorry, wrong channel -- wrong response!
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4212[22:46:05] <jaggz> jhutchins_wk, it had errors on the ssd's long foo-bar-wxyz-id number thing..
4213[22:46:09] <jhutchins_wk> jaggz: Dual posting on oftc?
4214[22:46:19] <jaggz> I just left it off for now and switched to my better desktop.. I've been wanting to swap them
4215[22:46:31] <tedolfus> replaced-url
4216[22:46:32] <jaggz> jhutchins_wk, no -- the "no functional problems" was about a gpu getting heat discoloration
4217[22:46:45] <jaggz> for my buds in ##electronics
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4221[22:48:19] <jhutchins_wk> television: You have a bad disk.
4222[22:48:34] <tedolfus> gee!
4223[22:48:49] <tedolfus> is there anything I can do about it?
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4225[22:49:00] <jhutchins_wk> jaggz: Knowing that there are errors or that the system does not do something is not very useful. Knowing what the errors are, or what the system actually does are a lot better.
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4228[22:49:41] <tedolfus> is there something I could run to yield useful information?
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4230[22:49:53] <tedolfus> oh that was for him. geez
4231[22:49:54] <jhutchins_wk> television: Not sure. Possibly a recovery tool like ddrescue or photorec might be able to grab things. I suppose you don't have external backups.
4232[22:50:23] <random_numbers> Sure you can setup CUPS over a hidden service.
4233[22:50:26] <jhutchins_wk> tedolfus: No, sorry, typo+tab complete, meant for you.
4234[22:51:09] <jaggz> jhutchins_wk, yeah.. I was just reporting my lack of success.. I'll post more detailed information if I return to that system to try to fix it :) sorry, I didn't mean to take much attention for my complaint yet. :)
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4237[22:52:28] <jhutchins_wk> jaggz: Yeah, best if you have access and can provide additional info and test results. Sounds like you might just need to tweak the graphics driver.
4238[22:52:40] <jhutchins_wk> jaggz: nvidia?
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4241[22:53:21] <jaggz> jhutchins_wk, interesting -- it did error on the driver, saying to use the nvidia legacy; then gave _apt errors, so I rebooted..
4242[22:53:41] <jaggz> networking didn't come up so I just left it and swapped desktops like I wanted to for months. :)
4243[22:53:53] <greycat> Oh, that's way better than dropping to busybox in initramfs.
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4249[22:55:37] <jhutchins_wk> jaggz: You have a new kernel, so any externally sourced drivers like nvidia will need to be rebuilt for it.
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4252[22:57:04] <jaggz> jhutchins_wk, does it rebuild them or just install binaries? I was using nvidia nonfree
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4300[23:20:21] <wallbroken> where to put themes?
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4302[23:20:29] <wallbroken> /home/user/.themes/
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4304[23:20:35] <wallbroken> or /usr/share/themes/ ?
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4316[23:26:31] <HackingBird337> !rules
4317[23:26:31] <dpkg> 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
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4320[23:28:01] <HackingBird337> Hi everyone! i've got a question... How to install Hybrid Graphic card (Nvidia x Intel) Drivers? Im looking for the Original from nvidia (NOT nouveau). Thanks.
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4325[23:29:34] <Mathisen> Optimus
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4350[23:42:09] <bootx> is it possible to restrict IPMI access configuration from being changed from OS? i.e. dell poweredge servers
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4352[23:42:54] <Linuturk> I noticed that nagios and zoneminder are not in stretch, but seem to have packages in sid. I just updated from Jessie before noticing they were missing. Any chance these will make their way into stretch or am I stuck pinning packages from sid?
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4357[23:45:46] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
4358[23:45:50] <mutante> Linuturk: i guess Icinga has replaced Nagios
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4360[23:45:54] <bootx> indeed
4361[23:46:18] <mutante> Linuturk: config is compatible .. so could be worse ?
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4363[23:46:31] <abrotman> bootx: uh, don't give out root passwords?
4364[23:46:50] <Linuturk> ok. I'll give that a shot
4365[23:47:00] <Linuturk> no answer for zoneminder though I guess :-/
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4368[23:49:01] <bootx> abrotman, in case of renting a dedicated server...
4369[23:49:21] <bootx> imagine a set up my ipmi password to manage a server, then a i rent a server to someone
4370[23:49:28] <bootx> then he can change access using ipmitool
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