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• 2[00:04:08] <pagetelegram> Whats a tiny jpg/png viewer that I can execute from cli while X11? I use fbi in console only and now coming in a VM using debian with mwm (motif) want to quickly view images and quickly exit.
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• 7[00:05:48] <humbot> xli, feh
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• 10[00:06:16] <pagetelegram> thanks humbot! I will give feh a spin first that sounds familiar
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• 13[00:07:01] <Sleaker> I've used eog quite a bit
• 14[00:07:34] <humbot> eog is the gnome photo viewer app right?
• 15[00:08:02] <pagetelegram> 200megs though .... looking for something I can quickly exit and little overhead.
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• 17[00:08:34] <Sleaker> I dunno if it's a photo viewer it just shows itself up as an image viewer.
• 18[00:08:41] <Sleaker> there's also 'eom' eye of mate now.
• 19[00:09:05] <Sleaker> pagetelegram: which one was 200mbs?
• 20[00:09:20] <Sleaker> and is that the program itself, or are you talking about prog + deps
• 21[00:09:30] <pagetelegram> I had feh and and xli I had already installed and didn't know. I'm hesistant to install some "beast" of a viewer....yeah eog requires 200mb on my system in dependencies are installed
• 22[00:10:05] <pagetelegram> *deps included. I'm running a very space restricted environment
• 23[00:10:17] <Sleaker> yah for sure.
• 24[00:10:45] <Sleaker> eog was always preinstalled on the systems I used ti on anyway
• 25[00:11:46] <pagetelegram> Yeah I started from a net install and didn't install any extras....started with console only and built it from there. mwm is a very basic and ancient windowing DE.
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• 38[00:20:40] <humbot> feh is fairly powerful, has a lot of nice capabilities, just can't do gifs, and it uses a fraction of the memory that ristretto (the default xfce picture viewer) is using on the same image
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• 57[00:34:43] <qdb> hello. debian in vbox, with bridged network setting, has no access to internet from inside, though i can open webserver in it from host browser
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• 61[00:37:42] <qdb> ip r says: default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 proto static |||| 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.7 ||newline|| 192.168.43.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.43.7
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• 65[00:38:44] <qdb> i think internet comes from 192 168 43 1 gateway
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• 69[00:41:57] <qdb> i put that gateway in etc network interfaces and in etc systemd network 10-static-eth0.network
• 70[00:42:38] <qdb> but ip r shows other gateway
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• 74[00:44:52] <SerajewelKS> qdb: it's probably using whatever gateway the DHCP server tells it to
• 75[00:46:02] <forgotmynick> hello i have a vps that i use as a tunnel to connect to other servers. i connect to it via ssh and use it as a socks proxy. whenever i need to connect to other servers, i use ssh over that proxy. for some reason connections to those other servers stops working randomly and I can't type anything and after some time, the initial tunnel connection just aborts. i installed vpn software on the vps and i have no issues with
• 76[00:46:02] <forgotmynick> connecting to other servers. i'd like to diagnose this issue but i don't know where to begin and it's hard to replicate. what should i look at to debug it? i have debian 8.6
• 77[00:46:39] <SerajewelKS> forgotmynick: after a period of inactivity, a NAT router between you and the server probably drops the connection from its NAT table
• 78[00:46:46] <SerajewelKS> forgotmynick: turn on ssh heartbeats
• 79[00:47:05] <qdb> SerajewelKS: is not dhcp server itself located on the gateway address? i thought it that way.
• 80[00:47:21] <SerajewelKS> qdb: in most home networks, yes. there is no restriction that says that it must be.
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• 83[00:47:57] <forgotmynick> SerajewelKS: sometimes it happens after only being connected for 5 seconds
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• 87[00:48:45] <SerajewelKS> forgotmynick: odd. maybe run a packet capture on both ends, see if you can see anything suspicious when the connection breaks
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• 89[00:49:56] <SerajewelKS> "can't type anything" definitely sounds like one end can't reach the other
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• 94[00:54:01] <forgotmynick> i'll try that thank you
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• 110[01:02:17] <kreyren> is there linux 5.0.x kernel on debian that i can install on buster?
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• 115[01:03:24] <Sleaker> ,v linux-headers-amd64
• 116[01:03:25] <judd> Package: linux-headers-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 4.19+104~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+104; sid: 4.19+104
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• 122[01:03:50] <kreyren> welp
• 123[01:03:58] <Sleaker> not even in sid
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• 125[01:04:04] <kreyren> rip
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• 128[01:04:34] <Sleaker> kreyren: I don't think debian will even choose to use 5.0 it's not a longterm.
• 129[01:05:00] <kreyren> ye probably i just needed to grab the configuration from debian's kernel into mainstream
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• 146[01:25:10] <cdchapm2_> vim not installed by default anymore???
• 147[01:25:14] <somiaj> kreyren: or you could wait. Once buster is released (right now the focus is fixing all the rc bugs and relasing buster), newer kernels will be provided via buster-backports, similar to stretch.
• 148[01:25:31] <somiaj> cdchapm2_: it is, but it is vim-tiny, wich only has a binary 'vi' not 'vim'
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• 150[01:25:48] <somiaj> i.e. the vi variant we use is vim, but vim-tiny is the most vi like (minimial) configuration and is the default
• 151[01:25:55] <cdchapm2_> oh that's great
• 152[01:27:19] <cdchapm2_> was worried
• 153[01:28:38] <humbot> vim proper is much nicer and twice as big
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• 167[01:38:42] <ayjay_t> does anyone know a guide for migrating from iptables to nft on stretch?
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• 174[01:41:31] <Sleaker> ayjay_t: doesn't nftables have the same syntax for loading?
• 175[01:41:50] <Sleaker> I thought it just allowed for more complex chaining is all
• 176[01:42:38] <Sleaker> ayjay_t: replaced-url
• 177[01:42:43] <ayjay_t> i'm actually a beginner with either, i'm trying to play with a wrapper on github
• 178[01:42:54] <ayjay_t> i did see that, it included help with translating the rules
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• 180[01:43:11] <ayjay_t> am i to understand the nftables is just a front-end improvement? i thought it was a kernel-layer improvement as well
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• 182[01:44:57] <somiaj> it is both
• 183[01:45:08] <somiaj> (at least from my understanding)
• 184[01:45:27] <ayjay_t> hmm maybe modern kernsl support both out the box?
• 185[01:45:47] <ayjay_t> and maybe both configuration systems will simutaneously effect packet decisions
• 186[01:46:23] <somiaj> looks like they are both produced by the same people in netfilter, so maybe it is more akin to netfileter2.0 than a replacement, so more an improvement over limitiations in the older implmentation.
• 187[01:47:12] <ayjay_t> yeah its a bit unintuitive, let me see what's going on in #networking
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• 189[01:47:49] <somiaj> hmm, well it does look like they use two different kernel modules, iptables vs nf_tables
• 190[01:47:53] <Sleaker> correct. the iptables conversion page even says to not use both at the same time as it may result in unexpected network filtering
• 191[01:48:19] <ayjay_t> oh yeah now i see both in lsmod
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• 193[01:49:07] <somiaj> But yes, both are available on modern linux kernels, so both are supported, but you should only use one. And with the way depericiation happens, it might be many, many years before iptables is fully depericated in favor of nft
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• 196[01:50:43] <ayjay_t> huh yeah, that's fine. its not a big deal to me so i went with the newer. but still, need to figure out how to disable iptables... nothing obvious in systemd...
• 197[01:53:02] <jhutchins> There really ought to be an "implement my iptables configuration in netfilter" script that translates, turns iptables off and netfilter on.
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• 199[01:53:21] <ayjay_t> jhutchins: the first part is pretty much documented i think, but its the second part i'm looking for
• 200[01:53:26] <ayjay_t> its a brand new spin too so i dont even think i need to convert
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• 202[01:53:44] <jhutchins> BTW, for those who tuned in recently, I believe this is the third implementation of traffic filtering.
• 203[01:54:38] <jhutchins> ayjay_t: Documented is all very well, but it's so damned easy to write a simpl if/then script that will take a configuration file, understand it's intent, and write out equivalent commands for a new system.
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• 205[01:56:11] <Sleaker> ayjay_t: just don't load you iptables configuration at boot?
• 206[01:56:16] <Sleaker> iptables never had persisting by default.
• 207[01:56:26] <Sleaker> not sure what the question is here...
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• 209[01:56:46] <Sleaker> unless I'm missing something.
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• 214[01:58:24] <ayjay_t> yeah no it's me thats missing something
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• 216[01:58:52] <ayjay_t> it does look like iptables nftables are kernel modules loaded at boot (not sure where tbh, not in /etc/modules-load.d)
• 217[01:59:03] <ayjay_t> there are optional systemd services? not sure what they do... gonna have to inspect their service files
• 218[01:59:24] <ayjay_t> and yeah configuration doesn't require an active process
• 219[01:59:54] <Sleaker> right cause it loads the rules. but you still have to run commands to load the rules at boot.
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• 221[02:00:28] <Sleaker> there was always the issue of when the firewall rules were loaded in unless that's changed since I last looked at this type of thing.
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• 223[02:00:48] <Sleaker> like I thought you had to make your own service file/init script to load your config.
• 224[02:00:58] <Sleaker> that's how I always had it setup atleast.
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• 227[02:02:33] <ayjay_t> thats making more and more sense
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• 230[02:02:53] <ayjay_t> i mean it seems like there are available services that read from an /etc/iptables/somefile.rules or something
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• 232[02:03:00] <SerajewelKS> i have a script that generates a stream in the same format that iptables-save does, then i have a script that is run via systemd and pipes it to iptables-restore
• 233[02:03:02] <ayjay_t> right now i'm just trying to find out what loads the kernel modules...
• 234[02:03:08] <SerajewelKS> the script approach lets me unify my ipv4 and ipv6 rules
• 235[02:03:39] <ayjay_t> yeah i'm looking @ a go wrapper for nftables that's why i'm doing this
• 236[02:03:44] <ayjay_t> its from google and seems fun
• 237[02:03:59] <SerajewelKS> oh google
• 238[02:04:19] <SerajewelKS> gotta love a bloated statically-linked binary where a shell script will suffice
• 239[02:04:53] <ayjay_t> well obviously its because it's not a shell script i'm building
• 240[02:05:08] <SerajewelKS> i mean their wrapper
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• 243[02:06:24] <ayjay_t> yeah
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• 245[02:07:33] <tds> ayjay_t: btw, I think this is all changing for buster, iptables and friends are becoming nf_tables frontends?
• 246[02:08:04] <SerajewelKS> IIRC in buster the v4 and v6 tables unified
• 247[02:08:14] <SerajewelKS> which i'm very much looking forward to
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• 249[02:08:51] <ayjay_t> tds: yeah i think buster is bringing in nf_tables
• 250[02:08:57] <ayjay_t> by default
• 251[02:10:12] <ayjay_t> enough google keywords and i've found some new tutorials XD
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• 256[02:13:54] <Chex> SerajewelKS: yikes, I am going to have to merge my custom v4 & v6 rules I guess
• 257[02:14:31] <SerajewelKS> Chex: mine are already merged using a custom script :)
• 258[02:15:04] <Chex> SerajewelKS: im too dumb to script, I will have to figure it out by hand
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• 262[02:15:44] <Chex> SerajewelKS: so is it not ip(6)tables -v -L anymore?
• 263[02:15:57] <Chex> or -v -L --line-num ?
• 264[02:16:06] <Chex> which I have had memorized for 5+ years now
• 265[02:16:08] <Chex> ?
• 266[02:16:15] <SerajewelKS> i know that iptables will become a frontend for nf_tables
• 267[02:16:32] <SerajewelKS> if i had to guess i'd say that iptables will probably take v6 addresses
• 268[02:16:39] <Chex> hunh.
• 269[02:16:46] <SerajewelKS> and iptables/ip6tables will be the same frontend
• 270[02:16:47] <Chex> weirdness. ok, thats fine.
• 271[02:17:01] <Chex> and I guess unifying it into one makes sense.
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• 273[02:17:19] <pagetelegram> So the guest OS which is deb had stored an old entry in the clip board that contained credentials that got compromised when the host OS did not overwrite guest OS clipboard of it's contents. Is there a tool or cron setup to nul clipboard in deb after x - seconds?
• 274[02:17:27] <SerajewelKS> yeah. i'm sure you'll be able to match IP version in rules if you need to separate out some v4/v6 stuff but i don't think you'll really have to
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• 276[02:17:54] <SerajewelKS> e.g. before you couldn't add rules matching icmpv6 using iptables, you had to use ip6tables. now i guess you'll be able to add them and ipv4 packets just won't ever match that rule.
• 277[02:18:14] <SerajewelKS> which honestly is the way i'd prefer it
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• 279[02:18:36] <SerajewelKS> my script just 'cat's out rules that are common to v4 and v6 and only does v4 or v6 specific rules when invoked as such, and my systemd script runs it twice
• 280[02:18:39] <Chex> I have rules allowing icmpv4 &6 in my rules
• 281[02:19:02] <SerajewelKS> basically: ./build-rules v4 | iptables-restore && ./build-rules v6 | ip6tables-restore
• 282[02:19:36] <SerajewelKS> so my migration path i guess will be to just remove the proto-specific functions and only run it once
• 283[02:20:18] <SerajewelKS> i got tired of maintaining two sets of rules :P
• 284[02:20:28] <SerajewelKS> so i wrote a script to do it for me
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• 421[05:09:58] <lisbeths> how can I load proprietary drivers onto debian sid with a usb stick so I can install wifi on a craptop?
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• 423[05:10:18] <lisbeths> afaik I know hwo to dpkg something so I just need proprietary drivers to dpkg
• 424[05:11:23] <mutante> lisbeths: basically you just copy the file to the usb stick and then start normal installation and at one point it will offer you to load additional drivers from removable media a
• 425[05:11:45] <mutante> and then you insert it and it should detect it
• 426[05:11:49] <lisbeths> sure but I need to know where to download that propreitary stuff
• 427[05:12:00] <lisbeths> how do I get a hold of it?
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• 430[05:12:41] <mutante> lisbeths: either in the "nonfree" component of Debian or you google "Linux on <hardware model>" to search
• 431[05:13:08] <dvs> !firmware iso
• 432[05:13:08] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 434[05:13:32] <mutante> replaced-url
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• 436[05:14:07] <mutante> lisbeths: there is a package called "firmware-linux-nonfree"
• 437[05:14:24] <lisbeths> So I'm looking at this: replaced-url
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• 439[05:14:51] <mutante> you should be able to mount that iso temp. and then copy just the file you need off of it
• 440[05:14:54] <rant> lisbeths: no, its a full install iso its not live
• 441[05:15:25] <dvs> replaced-url
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• 443[05:15:55] <laptop> hi
• 444[05:15:58] <lisbeths> that link didn't open. I think this is what I'm after: replaced-url
• 445[05:15:59] <laptop> what is debian freeze
• 446[05:16:12] <rant> lisbeths: replaced-url
• 447[05:16:20] <lisbeths> it is a version of debian. All versions of debian are named after toystory characters. laptop there is a toystory character named freeze
• 448[05:16:35] <rant> lisbeths: thats not correct
• 449[05:16:44] <laptop> yes i though it happens around a new relese
• 450[05:16:47] <laptop> release
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• 452[05:16:58] <rant> laptop: the freeze is a state where packages are no longer being added
• 453[05:17:35] <rant> it is NOT a debian release nor is there a character named freeze
• 454[05:18:06] <rant> dpkg, what is freeze?
• 455[05:18:06] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
• 456[05:18:25] <laptop> how do I update frmo stretch to buster
• 457[05:18:29] <laptop> is buster now avaialble
• 458[05:18:31] <laptop> and out of testing
• 459[05:18:52] <rant> laptop: buster has been available for years, and no its not out of testing.. its still testing
• 460[05:18:58] <dvs> laptop, buster is still in testing
• 461[05:20:08] <rant> dpkg, stretch->buster
• 462[05:20:09] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 465[05:22:04] <rant> laptop: replaced-url
• 466[05:22:41] <rant> there is still about another month I'd estimate before this happens
• 467[05:23:09] <rant> probably somewhere in the 2-6 weeks range roughly
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• 469[05:24:03] <laptop> ok
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• 486[05:41:36] <lisbeths> honestly the proprietary drivers have been one of the pain points of using debian and has prevented me from using it for many years
• 487[05:41:52] <lisbeths> it is very tedious to install proprietary drivers on a machine that does not have them
• 488[05:42:00] <lisbeths> or rather a machine that requires them
• 489[05:42:12] <rant> which is why we have made install media that already have this included
• 490[05:42:30] <lisbeths> I am not sure what kinds of desktop environments are made available to me in this install media
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• 494[05:44:00] <rant> lisbeths: if you are installing over wifi, then you have every single package in the repo available to you
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• 496[05:44:28] <rant> which includes all 7 of the major desktop environments
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• 499[05:45:13] <lisbeths> do I have to choose these via command line or can i do it via gui?
• 500[05:46:12] <rant> lisbeths: the installer will give you a choice using the built-in tasksel it'll have all 7 listed with check boxes
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• 502[05:47:24] <lisbeths> if this is the correct link to that installer then I will try switching to debian: replaced-url
• 503[05:47:34] <lisbeths> otherwise I need the link
• 504[05:48:01] <rant> lisbeths: that is not the right one.. that is the full install iso, you said you wanted to use wifi which means you need only the netinst which I provided you
• 505[05:48:09] <rant> 23:16 rant> lisbeths: replaced-url
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• 507[05:48:25] <lisbeths> if that is the version you described earlier and it indeed has the desktop environments then sure thing
• 508[05:48:38] <rant> it does not have them
• 509[05:48:48] <rant> they are fetched from the internet mirror you select
• 510[05:48:55] <rant> none of the media have them all
• 511[05:49:12] <rant> it doesnt matter what it "has" when you say you are going to install over wifi
• 512[05:50:11] <lisbeths> yes this is correct. Thank you this is what I need. I will try to stick to debian. I am tired of not contributing and I am tired of not having the support of debian channels
• 513[05:50:21] <lisbeths> thank you my problem is solved
• 514[05:50:36] <rant> lisbeths: this is a stable installer
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• 516[05:51:34] <rant> you'd mentioned sid.. this does not install sid, it installs stable.. you'd have to upgrade afterward or use a different installer
• 517[05:52:49] <rant> or use expert mode and change the sources
• 518[05:53:13] <rant> cause really I dont think we have installers for testing or unstable
• 519[05:53:39] <rant> but then if you dont know this and how to do it, then you probably shouldnt be doing it anyhow :P
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• 525[06:00:40] <ross`> Nice rant, ran!
• 526[06:00:42] <lisbeths> thats fine
• 527[06:00:43] <ross`> rant*
• 528[06:00:45] <lisbeths> its okay not to have sid
• 529[06:01:18] <lisbeths> I am just happy to be contributing my bugs towards debian and not ubuntu at the least
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• 531[06:02:01] <rant> yes well unlike ubuntu our bug tracking system is open
• 532[06:02:44] <lisbeths> It's time for me to go now. I'll see you in the land of oz
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• 535[06:04:25] * rant won't be in the land of oz :P
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• 572[06:40:44] <anonymous83719> can i enable disk caching somehow ? i have an external drive that is constantly writing when downloading every byte of the bitcoin blockchain. i think it'll die if i don't enable write caching.
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• 581[06:46:57] <anonymous83719> Nevermind
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• 738[08:51:30] <diogenes_> aindilis, try with xrandr
• 739[08:51:48] <aindilis> yeah that didn't work either
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• 741[08:52:10] <aindilis> it's giving options for 1920x1200 but no 1080
• 742[08:52:46] <diogenes_> you could try to --addmode
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• 887[10:17:39] <SirDark3R> hi
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• 889[10:18:07] <SirDark3R> how to your havk in cmdi mi in me deragon ducker man onja naragtan k man hastahzm onja nmirm k baedhs fgsh/=Azvu
• 890[10:18:14] <SirDark3R> hello migul
• 891[10:18:23] <SirDark3R> how are you?
• 892[10:18:30] <SirDark3R> :///
• 893[10:18:35] <SirDark3R> 😐
• 894[10:19:23] <Kilter> SirDark3R: Hi
• 895[10:19:42] <SirDark3R> hi kilter
• 896[10:19:48] <SirDark3R> how?
• 897[10:20:03] <SirDark3R> :||||||||||
• 898[10:20:33] <Kilter> Not bad, you?
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• 907[10:25:24] <dcpc007> Hi, i'm looking for a tool to make disk statistics usage like : volume data / month (based on modification date)
• 908[10:25:45] <dcpc007> i made a shell script, but not efficient, and need to use on large FS
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• 922[10:36:57] <n_1-c_k> dcpc007: munin
• 923[10:37:45] <dcpc007> not supervision and total
• 924[10:37:57] <dcpc007> i look for current data usage for old data
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• 927[10:38:41] <dcpc007> i scan a folder, and output total data size by month
• 928[10:39:10] <dcpc007> ex : 2017-05 : 380 GiB
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• 935[10:51:29] <aloo_shu> aindilis: you could also try to find out what driver Xorg is using inside the vbox, and from there, research what options it has; e.g. let X generate a xorg.conf file with --configure, look at it, check manpages and google. Or maybe you can configure the virtual video driver from the vbox host side
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• 972[11:22:33] <delboy1978uk> why would debian break apt-get update like this?
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• 980[11:25:31] <koollman> delboy1978uk: I think stretch isn't on archive mirrors yet
• 981[11:25:56] <koollman> (since it is still the stable version)
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• 983[11:26:32] <koollman> delboy1978uk: maybe the question is 'why are you using archive.debian.org rather than normal mirrors ?'
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• 987[11:28:18] <delboy1978uk> koollman: no idea, a while back i made a docker image for php. i guess the official php image i extend from is using old versions replaced-url
• 988[11:28:34] <jelly> delboy1978uk: your sources.list is incorrect
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• 990[11:28:39] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 991[11:28:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 993[11:29:25] <delboy1978uk> jelly: thanks
• 994[11:29:27] <delboy1978uk> !
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• 996[11:30:47] <jelly> delboy1978uk: also, I think the "Sources" file is referenced by deb-src lines. Unless you do rebuilds of debian packages from source, you probably do not need those _at all_
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• 1015[11:47:54] <Enissay> I need to ll multiple files to check their content... These files are not in same root path so I have to run the "ll pathN" N times (3 times actually)... Is there a way to make ll display 3 dirs at once ?
• 1016[11:48:08] <jelly> what is ll?
• 1017[11:48:33] <Enissay> jelly: alias for "ls -l"
• 1018[11:49:01] <jelly> Enissay: ls takes 0, 1 or more paths. You can ls -l a/ b/ c/
• 1019[11:49:11] <Enissay> Oh, I started doing ll path1 && ll path2
• 1020[11:49:51] <Enissay> jelly: Damn it, I thought I saw that somewhere but I just tried it after your comment
• 1021[11:49:57] <Enissay> Thanks <3
• 1022[11:50:05] <jelly> there's a saying
• 1023[11:50:08] <jelly> !tias
• 1024[11:50:08] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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• 1026[11:50:43] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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• 1030[11:51:29] <ychaouche> I would like to do save my usb drive and folks on ##linux told me to find how to disable automount. Is that distro specific or DE specific ?
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• 1033[11:51:42] <Enissay> jelly: I tried many things except that... Bad start of the short week :>
• 1034[11:51:51] <jelly> ychaouche: more often DE specific but could be both
• 1035[11:51:52] <Rob_Jones> anyone have any idea why running this command would results in this?
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• 1037[11:51:54] <Rob_Jones> command: apt-get -y --no-install-recommends install openssl
• 1038[11:52:11] <jelly> my KDE does not automount, just pops up a notification
• 1039[11:52:12] <ychaouche> jelly, ok will ask on KDE, thanks
• 1040[11:52:15] <Rob_Jones> result: E: Unable to locate package openssl
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• 1042[11:52:28] <Rob_Jones> apt-get
• 1043[11:52:30] <Rob_Jones> oops
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• 1307[14:35:07] <at0m> as there is wine to run windows applications on linux, is there any way to run osx apps?
• 1308[14:37:06] <jelly> at0m: there is no known working ABI translator for Darwin/OSX on Linux
• 1309[14:37:27] <at0m> jelly: was afraid so cos i hadn't seen any around, thanks for confirming
• 1310[14:37:33] <jelly> VM and Hackintosh.
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• 1359[15:04:00] <bendem> anyone able to tell me how I find why a line was added to a build file? I'm looking for the reason to this line here: replaced-url
• 1360[15:05:12] <nkuttler> bendem: get the source and check the line's history
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• 1362[15:05:58] <bendem> ah, I found it replaced-url
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• 1379[15:19:40] <bendem> should I contact a maintainer directly or is there some mailing list where it's more appropriate?
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• 1381[15:20:25] <Fox> bendem: Maintainer: Debian Bacula Team <pkg-bacula-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
• 1382[15:20:36] <Fox> that's from apt-cache show
• 1383[15:21:10] <bendem> sure, I can find the email of the maintainer easily enough, I'm asking about etiquette
• 1384[15:21:34] <bendem> I'm looking to contact the libs3 maintainer first since it's the reason the bacula maintainer decided to not include s3 support in the first place
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• 1396[15:28:45] <jelly> bendem: also, upstream tree looks like there was no tagged release at all since 2.0 in 2011
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• 1398[15:29:06] <bendem> not tags but latest is 4.1 for 2 years ago
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• 1400[15:29:19] <bendem> replaced-url
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• 1404[15:31:11] <jelly> that's more an ABI bump than a released version
• 1405[15:31:24] <jelly> API*
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• 1409[15:32:02] <bendem> I wouldn't know, I'm guessing the bacula team didn't build a new feature on a lib from 10 years ago
• 1410[15:32:07] <bendem> that'd be disappointing
• 1411[15:32:29] <jelly> it would not be the first or the last source with "random git commit" version in debian
• 1412[15:32:33] <bendem> my guess is that they built against 4.1 but since it's not in debian it can't be enabled
• 1413[15:33:05] <bendem> thus why I wanted to know if contacting the maintainer directly would be considered rude or not
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• 1416[15:33:41] <jelly> I'd just file a bug report Severity: wishlist and ask for a new version packaged
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• 1418[15:34:19] <jelly> and reference the actual reason, missing functionality in your backup software
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• 1420[15:35:00] <bendem> yeah, bug reporting in debian is not the friendliest of things
• 1421[15:35:12] <jelly> there's probably some guideline somewhere on how to reliably get a src.tar.gz from a github tag
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• 1425[15:35:40] <jelly> reporting is not hard. Getting things fixed can be slow
• 1426[15:35:57] <jelly> !reportbug
• 1427[15:35:57] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
• 1428[15:36:45] <jelly> > * libs3 Debian maintainer and upstream author are identical.
• 1429[15:36:48] <jelly> lol
• 1430[15:37:16] <krion> hello, why is this funny ?
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• 1432[15:38:03] <jelly> because upstream is moving forward but debian's package not
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• 1443[15:46:16] <krion> haha, that's funny indeed ;)
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• 1454[15:50:57] <bendem> well, I sent a report, no idea if it's slow or if I did it wrong, but it doesn't appear on libs3's bug list
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• 1479[16:07:48] <ksk> bendem: wich email did you use to send mail from? make sure it does not match promail rcs its $I_FORGOT variable.
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• 1481[16:08:02] <ksk> (things like mail@example.com do _not_ work)
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• 1483[16:08:26] <ksk> bendem: you should kinda get insta auto-reply from the BTS if the email went through the magic.
• 1484[16:08:35] <greycat> it's far from instant
• 1485[16:08:50] <greycat> usually there's a delay of several minutes, but occasionally it takes hours
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• 1488[16:09:20] <ksk> Okay, that was for the few occasions I did report something. E-mail itself is totally not instant-messaging of course.
• 1489[16:09:56] <greycat> I'm not even counting delays in the actual email process. I'm just talking about after the BTS receives it.
• 1490[16:10:03] <ksk> kk.
• 1491[16:10:05] <bendem> it looks like it went through replaced-url
• 1492[16:10:11] <ksk> bendem: gz!
• 1493[16:10:13] <bendem> I'll call that a victory
• 1494[16:10:37] <greycat> looks good
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• 1517[16:20:52] <jelly> ,bug 928343
• 1518[16:20:53] <judd> Sorry, the requested bug was not found.
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• 1520[16:21:22] * jelly pretends not to know judd only pulls new info from UDD via cron job
• 1521[16:22:34] <greycat> judd: judd only pulls new info from UDD via cron job
• 1522[16:22:51] <greycat> ... *sigh*
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• 1532[16:26:46] <judd> I know!
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• 1536[16:27:49] <jelly> that's some latency tho
• 1537[16:27:50] <jim> is there an option to apt or apt-get that answers questions with y?
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• 1539[16:28:16] <greycat> -y, --yes, --assume-yes
• 1540[16:28:21] <jelly> jim: yes, but only questions that apt itself asks
• 1541[16:28:38] <greycat> it helps if you just assume the option will be -y and the you can search for that
• 1542[16:28:39] <jim> perfect
• 1543[16:28:44] <greycat> then*
• 1544[16:28:57] <jim> thanks :)
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• 1547[16:29:38] <simbalion> If a package version shows "1.4.46-1+stretch" is that the literal version or is the +stretch to indicate that it's for stretch? What I mean is, if I were to try and specify the version using apt, is the +stretch part required or would 1.4.46-1 be adequate?
• 1548[16:29:54] <greycat> doesn't sound like the complete version string
• 1549[16:29:56] <jelly> simbalion: which package is that?
• 1550[16:30:11] <simbalion> jelly: openlitespeed
• 1551[16:30:15] <greycat> are you sure there isn't a number after the +stretch?
• 1552[16:30:20] <greycat> ,v openlitespeed
• 1553[16:30:21] <judd> No package named 'openlitespeed' was found in amd64.
• 1554[16:30:33] <greycat> if it's not a Debian package, all bets are off. ask whoever made it.
• 1555[16:30:42] <simbalion> greycat: I'm quoting apt-cache policy
• 1556[16:30:43] <jelly> simbalion: see what "apt-cache policy openlitespeed" says in the Candidate: field
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• 1558[16:30:54] <greycat> but the literal answer to your question is "yes, version strings can contain + signs and letters"
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• 1562[16:31:27] <simbalion> jelly: so what shows in the candidate field is what must be included in the apt command to specify that version?
• 1563[16:31:36] <jelly> simbalion: if it says literally "Candidate: 1.4.46-1+stretch" then yes, that's the whole package version value.
• 1564[16:31:43] <simbalion> jelly: thank you :)
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• 1566[16:31:54] <simbalion> greycat: also thank you
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• 1569[16:32:48] <jelly> simbalion: it is highly unusual for one repo to hold multiple versions of the same package, but vendors are weird
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• 1574[16:33:23] <jelly> (in other words you should not _have to_ specify the version to apt)
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• 1580[16:34:16] <jelly> and if there are other, esp. higher versions, you'll also want to
• 1581[16:34:17] <jelly> !hold
• 1582[16:34:17] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 1601[16:37:46] <neilthereildeil> hi guys
• 1602[16:37:50] <jim> hi
• 1603[16:37:53] <waflessnet> hi
• 1604[16:38:14] <neilthereildeil> where can i find guidance on the syntax for writing efi .cfg files?
• 1605[16:38:32] <neilthereildeil> specifically, i am trying to boot xen hypervisor through EFI
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• 1611[16:39:11] <neilthereildeil> i created a folder /boot/efi/EFI/xen2
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• 1614[16:39:27] <neilthereildeil> and i have these files in it: initrd.img-4.9.0-9-amd64 vmlinuz-4.9.0-9-amd64 xen2.cfg xen-4.8-amd64.efi
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• 1616[16:39:59] <neilthereildeil> xen2.cfg doesnt boot, and i am trying to figure out why. when rebooting the machine, i get a config error.
• 1617[16:40:05] <jelly> oh nose, there's a newer kernel than what I have?!
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• 1619[16:40:13] <jelly> ,kernels
• 1620[16:40:14] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 1621[16:40:15] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 1623[16:40:25] <greycat> -9- happened with the 9.9 point release
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• 1625[16:40:40] <jelly> there's a point release?!
• 1626[16:40:55] <greycat> !9.9
• 1627[16:40:55] <dpkg> Debian 9.9 was released on Apr 27, 2019. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Given the <kernel ABI> has changed, apt-get will require a dist-upgrade to upgrade. Further details are at replaced-url
• 1628[16:40:57] * jelly reads topic
• 1629[16:40:58] <neilthereildeil> when i change xen2.cfg, do i have to "register" the changes anywhere?
• 1630[16:41:47] <neilthereildeil> i know theres the "efibootmgr" command, but that just lists the folders in my efi partition
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• 1633[16:42:13] <neilthereildeil> it seems when i make changes to xen2.cfg, they are not reflected in the EFI when i try to boot
• 1634[16:42:25] <neilthereildeil> and also my syntax might not be correct
• 1635[16:42:46] <rockworld> hello everyone I need help I just upgraded my server from jessie to stretch, I modified the sources.list and replaced 'jessie' by 'stretch', I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and when I try to do apt-get dist-upgrade I have the following message replaced-url
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• 1639[16:44:05] <rockworld> and yeah I uncommented x2go in sources.list.d/
• 1640[16:44:38] <qdb> hello. irc logs are incorrect! see replaced-url
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• 1642[16:45:21] <jelly> qdb: the "apt" bot seems to be completely missing from the channel, it's weird there are logs at all
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• 1644[16:45:25] <jelly> dpkg: seen apt
• 1645[16:45:25] <dpkg> i haven't seen 'apt', jelly
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• 1647[16:45:40] <jelly> judd: seen apt
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• 1652[16:46:58] <jim> I have a sneaking suspicion he didn't bring his jessie up to date first, didn't catch it in time
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• 1654[16:47:23] <jelly> rockworld: show you show the complete command line and output, and also the steps 2 and 3 from
• 1655[16:47:25] <jelly> !bat
• 1656[16:47:25] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1657[16:47:31] <jelly> can* you show
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• 1667[16:51:23] <jim> rockworld, we'll start this off with: apt-cache policy | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1671[16:52:14] <rockworld> alright jim thanks
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• 1674[16:52:38] <rockworld> replaced-url
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• 1677[16:53:17] <rockworld> I think we dont have enough line in that
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• 1681[16:54:12] <rockworld> I really think the problem is because I uncommented x2go repository
• 1682[16:54:37] <jim> yeah, comment that back
• 1683[16:55:06] <jelly> quite possible, and we may know more after you show the step 2 output
• 1684[16:55:23] <jelly> also,
• 1685[16:55:27] <jelly> !localized errors
• 1686[16:55:27] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 1691[16:56:58] <rockworld> it seems already installed
• 1692[16:56:59] <jim> rockworld, is the x2go thing commented in the sources.list?
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• 1694[16:57:10] <rockworld> I will comment it back
• 1695[16:57:31] <jim> good...]
• 1696[16:57:44] <rockworld> and I will replace jessie by stretch
• 1697[16:57:57] <jim> ok
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• 1699[16:58:34] <jelly> hmm, apt is here after all.
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• 1702[16:58:57] <jim> apt, botsnack
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• 1704[16:59:23] <jelly> it's muted because the factoid db in it is like 10 years out of date
• 1705[16:59:42] <jim> oh ok
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• 1707[17:01:03] <rockworld> same problem happen
• 1708[17:01:05] <qdb> i cannot configure network in debian in vbox with bridged network after i moved from adsl wifi to smartphone wifi. ip changed from 192.168.1... to 192.168.43... , i changed it in etc network interfaces and in etc systemd network 10-static-eth0.network, but old ip is still used, it is visible in ifconfig, ip r, ip a, and only the ...1.1 ip is under gateway title in ip r output. now host example.com works, but ping example.com, wget example
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• 1710[17:01:21] <qdb> network/host unreachable.
• 1711[17:01:21] <rockworld> cause the package try to install a old version
• 1712[17:01:33] <rockworld> on a version recent then the one
• 1713[17:02:01] <jim> rockworld, ok, now do this (as toot): apt update
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• 1715[17:02:14] <jelly> rockworld: can you show the missing piece of output we asked for?
• 1716[17:02:19] <jim> it's all stretch now, right?
• 1717[17:02:27] <rockworld> yes
• 1718[17:02:48] <jim> ok, go ahead, then we'll try a dist-upgrade
• 1719[17:02:59] <rockworld> jelly: I would like to but lets try this first
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• 1721[17:03:15] <jelly> why are you telling the user to do things when we don't know the whole picture, jim
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• 1723[17:03:44] <rockworld> cause jim assisted me during the process
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• 1725[17:04:22] <jim> jelly, I want to get him to the point we can supply you with some output
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• 1728[17:04:45] <rockworld> problem fixed
• 1729[17:05:05] <rockworld> so much time spended on that case
• 1730[17:05:09] <jelly> jim: the output I'm looking for is step 2) from !bat, apt-cache policy all-the-packages-that-are-mentioned-in-the-errors-from-failing-command
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• 1734[17:06:06] <jmcnaught> qdb: are you the one from yesterday who had a confusing mix of ifupdown and networkd?
• 1735[17:06:21] <jim> jelly, I'm trying first to get a listing of the command so that we can see what errors it generates if any
• 1736[17:06:32] <jmcnaught> qdb: also if you're trying to do wireless bridging, did you look at this? replaced-url
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• 1738[17:06:40] <qdb> jmcnaught: probably
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• 1740[17:06:56] <jim> rockworld, did you run apt update
• 1741[17:06:57] <jim> ?
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• 1743[17:07:02] <rockworld> jim: yes
• 1744[17:07:04] <jelly> jim: that was in replaced-url
• 1745[17:07:07] <jmcnaught> qdb: if you're going to use systemd-networkd then you probably only want lo definited in /e/n/i
• 1746[17:07:23] <rockworld> and I did apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1747[17:07:29] <rockworld> everything go normally
• 1748[17:07:35] <jelly> yay!
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• 1751[17:07:56] <rockworld> ;)
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• 1754[17:08:16] <jim> ok, it fixed itself... hmm/
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• 1763[17:09:15] <jim> rockworld, ok, from this point forward, be very careful when you alter your sources.list
• 1764[17:09:36] <rockworld> yes now I know that xD
• 1765[17:09:38] <rockworld> it was a pain
• 1766[17:10:02] <qdb> jmcnaught: lo is defined only there. systemd config has only files for "eth0", "dhcp", "default"
• 1767[17:10:03] <jim> a lot of seriously bad things can happen otherwise
• 1768[17:10:40] <rockworld> yes I saw that :x
• 1769[17:10:48] <jim> jelly, umm... I -guess- we're done for now :)
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• 1772[17:11:00] <jmcnaught> qdb: okay I just brought it up because yesterday it seemed like you had eth0 defined in both /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/systemd/network at the same time
• 1773[17:12:07] <qdb> jmcnaught: it is still defined in both, i deleted the ...1.7 , but it still appear
• 1774[17:12:44] <qdb> jmcnaught: also restart networking says error message, so maybe the new configs are not activated properly
• 1775[17:12:44] <jmcnaught> qdb: why do you want your network configuration handled in two places?
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• 1779[17:13:58] <Emil> hey
• 1780[17:14:16] <qdb> i do not want it. first i tried to work with e/n/i but old ip still appeared , then i tried to change systemd config, but old ip still appear
• 1781[17:14:24] <Emil> is it normal and expected that if you copy a file over some other file, the permissions are not changed?
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• 1783[17:15:07] <qdb> that is not important, just interesting, for education
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• 1785[17:15:22] <qdb> now i would like to change gateway ip
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• 1789[17:17:07] <ksk> Emil: copy as in cp without any further arguments? it seems so :)
• 1790[17:17:09] <qdb> i guess i should run some ip ... command to change gateway
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• 1792[17:17:42] <ksk> qdb: nah. you should first of all use only one method of configuring your network, may it be e/n/i, systemd, network-manager or whatnot.
• 1793[17:18:22] <jmcnaught> I agree
• 1794[17:18:23] <ksk> and then use the tool you choose to configure your network.
• 1795[17:18:23] <qdb> ksk what should i do for that? can i delete systemd config?
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• 1798[17:18:43] <ksk> Is systemd network config the default now in debian? I am not sure about that.
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• 1800[17:18:50] <greycat> no
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• 1806[17:19:17] <ksk> qdb: then only you can know that, as it seems you set it up ;)
• 1807[17:19:17] <greycat> It's unchanged. Still /e/n/i if you use that, or n-m if you use that, for any interfaces not in /e/n/i.
• 1808[17:19:18] <jim> is that the plan?
• 1809[17:19:20] <Emil> ksk: that's pretty idiotic but I guess it's old baggage and nobody bothers changing it "because someone might depend on it!"
• 1810[17:19:25] <Emil> ksk: thanks
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• 1812[17:20:11] <ksk> qdb: there is nothing wrong with using systemd to configure your network, I am sure it has methods to configure the gateway, too.
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• 1814[17:21:13] <jmcnaught> just pick one
• 1815[17:21:41] <jelly> also I'm pretty sure something in systemd brings up lo even if it's not configured in ifupdown
• 1816[17:21:48] <ksk> qdb: replaced-url
• 1817[17:21:51] <qdb> ksk new gateway ip (...43.1) is written in systemd config, and also in e/n/i
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• 1819[17:22:23] <ksk> qdb: please go back to start; "you should first of all..."
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• 1828[17:24:46] <SerajewelKS> is there any possibility of backporting the nvidia drivers from buster to stretch? the source packages use a debhelper compat level that isn't in stretch.
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• 1831[17:25:19] <jelly> SerajewelKS: are they not already backported?
• 1832[17:25:23] <jelly> ,v nvidia-driver
• 1833[17:25:24] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; buster/non-free: 410.104-3; sid/non-free: 418.56-2
• 1834[17:25:30] <SerajewelKS> they are not
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• 1837[17:25:41] <jelly> huh!
• 1838[17:25:52] <SerajewelKS> yeah i was kind of surprised as well, they used to be IIRC
• 1839[17:26:05] <jelly> SerajewelKS: there's usually a newer dh in stable-backports
• 1840[17:26:16] <SerajewelKS> i don't know enough about debian packaging to know if i can just change the level to 11
• 1841[17:26:16] <jelly> judd: checkbackport nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 1842[17:26:17] <judd> Backporting package nvidia-kernel-dkms in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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• 1844[17:26:26] <karlpinc> This is interesting. My xfce icon bar seems to need dns to start a xfce terminal. But I can start it from the applications menu without a problem.
• 1845[17:26:27] <jelly> ,v debhelper
• 1846[17:26:28] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; sid: 12.1.1
• 1847[17:26:46] <SerajewelKS> hmm i didn't think about backporting debhelper
• 1848[17:26:48] <jelly> I would _expect_ 12.1.1~bpo9+1 to Provide: debhelper-compat (= 12)
• 1849[17:27:03] <SerajewelKS> or rather using a backport of debhelper
• 1850[17:27:07] <jelly> but judd checks for that
• 1851[17:27:23] <SerajewelKS> the way you declare the compat level changes in level 12
• 1852[17:27:29] <SerajewelKS> perhaps judd hasn't been updated to account for that
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• 1854[17:27:54] <jelly> it's possible it does not deal with versioned provides for virtual packages
• 1855[17:28:19] <SerajewelKS> dpkg-dev doesn't understand the new system either. i have to tell dpkg-buildpackage to ignore build-deps to get it to build at all.
• 1856[17:28:29] <SerajewelKS> ,v dpkg-dev
• 1857[17:28:30] <qdb> i restarted systemd networkd and it started to work
• 1858[17:28:31] <judd> Package: dpkg-dev on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.17.26; jessie: 1.17.27; stretch: 1.18.25; buster: 1.19.6; sid: 1.19.6
• 1859[17:28:34] <qdb> thank you
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• 1861[17:28:36] <jelly> because it does deal with build-deps satisfied by mixing stable and stable-backports
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• 1863[17:29:00] <SerajewelKS> right but the way you declare the compat level changed in level 12. it's no longer in debian/compat and a build-dep on debhelper = xxx
• 1864[17:29:03] <jelly> ,whatprovides debhelper-compat
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• 1866[17:29:08] <judd> No packages provide 'debhelper-compat' in stretch/amd64.
• 1867[17:29:10] <SerajewelKS> it's now JUST a build-dep on debhelper-compat = xxx
• 1868[17:29:27] <SerajewelKS> note that it changed from debhelper to debhelper-compat
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• 1870[17:29:32] <SerajewelKS> presumably judd doesn't understand that change yet
• 1871[17:29:33] <jmcnaught> qdb: the advice still stands that you should put your network config all in one place, instead of in two competing config systems
• 1872[17:29:51] <SerajewelKS> and it's actually looking for a package with that name (but there isn't one)
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• 1875[17:30:02] <jelly> apt-cache show debhelper/stretch-backports says:
• 1876[17:30:06] <jelly> Provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd
• 1877[17:30:13] <jelly> so go get it
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• 1879[17:30:24] <qdb> jmcnaught: i did not installed them both, so i do not delete one o them
• 1880[17:30:29] <SerajewelKS> oh interesting, i didn't know that it "provides" those. i thought that was a special case that dpkg-buildpackage handles.
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• 1883[17:30:54] <SerajewelKS> thanks for the tip, i don't know why i didn't think to check for a debhelper backport
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• 1885[17:31:00] <jelly> versioned provides are relatively recent
• 1886[17:31:01] <jmcnaught> qdb: systemd-networkd is installed but disabled by default, you enabled it
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• 1888[17:31:32] <qdb> jmcnaught: since they have similar config they should not trouble each other
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• 1890[17:31:45] <jmcnaught> qdb: okay you're the expert :P
• 1891[17:31:53] <qdb> jmcnaught: no, it was found yesterday from process list
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• 1893[17:32:19] <jelly> SerajewelKS: also, don't tell anyone, but somewhere in nvidia-driver packaging docs there's a mention of how they really try to build binary packages in a way that makes them installable on older releases.
• 1894[17:32:36] <SerajewelKS> jelly: i also had that thought -- that i could just frankendebian it :)
• 1895[17:32:42] <jelly> shush
• 1896[17:32:55] <Greyztar> hello,is there a way to restart network when not using network manager in debian stretch?
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• 1898[17:32:59] <SerajewelKS> but i prefer to do things the right way when possible
• 1899[17:33:32] <jelly> I solved that particular issue by buying a machine with a powerful enough intel gpu :-\
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• 1902[17:33:48] <qdb> jmcnaught: also here replaced-url
• 1903[17:33:57] <jelly> and some DP->HDMI adapters
• 1904[17:34:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1548
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• 1908[17:35:01] <jelly> Greyztar: ifdown -a; ifup -a ? If you use ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces)
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• 1910[17:35:22] <Greyztar> jelly: thanks (,")
• 1911[17:35:33] <jelly> NO WARRANTY
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• 1920[17:39:29] <zeedee> I have a bunch of unknown connections in iftop, it seems most are connected to my ssh port(non standard). Did I get hacked? Strong passwords, ufw, fail2ban all used
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• 1922[17:40:25] <SerajewelKS> zeedee: check the ssh server logs
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• 1924[17:40:53] <SerajewelKS> jelly: well i didn't have to give -d to dpkg-buildpackage so that's progress
• 1925[17:41:14] <zeedee> I have been checking logs, don't see anything crazy. Fail2ban has been working overtime since yesterday
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• 1930[17:41:54] <SerajewelKS> zeedee: "have i been hacked" isn't a question that we can answer for you but it's not uncommon for people scanning for vulnerable services to portscan.
• 1931[17:42:02] <jelly> zeedee: might be leftovers from fail2ban engaging to block traffic before the tcp connection got a chance to close
• 1932[17:42:05] <SerajewelKS> zeedee: in that case they would have found the sshd on the alternate port.
• 1933[17:42:11] <zeedee> Been looking in /var/log/auth
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• 1935[17:42:26] <SerajewelKS> so it's probably all noise from a dictionary attack
• 1936[17:42:33] <jelly> ^
• 1937[17:42:38] <SerajewelKS> auth.log would tell you
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• 1939[17:42:44] <zeedee> Ok, noise is cool, just wanted to double check
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• 1942[17:43:35] <zeedee> One thing I noticed but haven't had a chance to look into yet.... In auth.
• 1943[17:43:36] <rockworld> I had this problem when trying to dist-upgrade replaced-url
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• 1945[17:44:08] <rockworld> it say to set the resume variable.
• 1946[17:44:27] <zeedee> .log there are a lot of deprecated options, I thought I was up to date, did something recently change?
• 1947[17:44:31] <jelly> zeedee: use ss's or netstat's -p option to see which processes, if any, are linked with those connections, if it's just a root sshd with no children process it's fine (if a bit messy)
• 1948[17:44:47] <zeedee> Jelly: thanks
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• 1950[17:45:10] <rockworld> I think I should set a resume variable somewher
• 1951[17:45:14] <rockworld> somewhere*
• 1952[17:45:18] <jelly> rockworld: that's not a problem, just information
• 1953[17:45:33] <rockworld> jelly: ok thank you
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• 1955[17:48:00] <jelly> rockworld: if you know you're never going to use hibernation on this machine, you can silence those lines by putting this into /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume: RESUME=none
• 1956[17:48:43] <rockworld> alright thanks for the info
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• 1959[17:49:37] <rockworld> Im happy now everything works fine, I will do a quick reboot
• 1960[17:49:49] <rockworld> thanks for all the support
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• 1964[17:51:43] <SerajewelKS> jelly: oh boy, i forgot i need to cross-compile this for i386 too
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• 1967[17:52:32] <zeedee> Jelly: just to be sure, using netstat -p, under PID the lines are empty.... So all good, as far as can be known
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• 1969[17:52:40] <SerajewelKS> is it as easy as dpkg-buildpackage -ai386?
• 1970[17:53:08] <jelly> no idea, I use chroots.
• 1971[17:53:33] <jelly> zeedee: you need to be root for -p to show root's processes
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• 1976[17:54:14] <SerajewelKS> hmm i had to run './debian/rules clean' by hand (i thought dpkg-buildpackage did that every build) but otherwise it seems to be working
• 1977[17:54:33] <SerajewelKS> nope :( dh_makeshlibs: fork+exec (i686-linux-gnu-objdump -p debian/libglx-nvidia0/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/libGLX_nvidia.so.410.104): No such file or directory
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• 1983[17:55:19] <jelly> did it get 32bit blobs?
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• 1987[17:55:53] <jelly> at all?
• 1988[17:56:36] <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure what part of the output i'd find that in
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• 1990[17:57:01] <SerajewelKS> i see only "Uncompressing NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86_64 410.104" -- no reference for another arch
• 1991[17:57:04] <SerajewelKS> so i would guess that it did not
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• 1994[17:58:39] <jelly> nvidia-driver packaging is almost but not quite multiarch capable
• 1995[17:58:56] <SerajewelKS> let me try sbuild
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• 2000[18:00:32] <zeedee> Jelly: I see my connection (established sshd: dingo) but also established sshd: unknown
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• 2003[18:01:50] <nimba> Hi. How portable is /usr/bin/env (used in the #! line)? Is there any current relevant POSIXy system where that's not available under this path?
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• 2013[18:07:54] <SerajewelKS> sbuild is not working at all
• 2014[18:08:19] <SerajewelKS> time to manually do it, i guess
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• 2051[18:29:46] <refhack> hi world
• 2052[18:30:10] <refhack> :( im hope your all back
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• 2054[18:30:57] <jelly> nimba: why do you care? what's the _real_ interpreter you're calling that is not env?
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• 2058[18:33:01] <greycat> nimba: #debian isn't the place for that kind of question, since it's always /usr/bin/env on Debian...
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• 2064[18:35:28] <nimba> greycat, any suggestion for another place?
• 2065[18:35:47] <greycat> the channel for whatever language you're writing the script in, as jelly hinted
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• 2068[18:37:02] <jhutchins_wk> Why would an LDAP authorized system allow a user to log in, then have sudo fail with "password expired"?
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• 2085[18:48:10] <uberwag> i got a debian vps with kvm, now by default virtio driver is not enabled, should I enable this on my vps? i know it increase performance, but how significant? and what about security, will it have any impact on that?
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• 2090[18:49:41] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: because PAM is HARD!
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• 2093[18:50:29] <jelly> admittedly it might be nss, not pam, that is misconfigured
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• 2095[18:51:55] <jelly> jhutchins: there's probably a dozen ways to implement authorization and authentication from ldap and it's hard to say what may be going wrong
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• 2101[18:53:57] <SerajewelKS> lesson learned: don't update nvidia packages from within X
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• 2103[18:54:47] <SerajewelKS> X died, took dpkg with it, system locked
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• 2111[18:57:45] <jelly> SerajewelKS: the right lesson is "always run apt/dpkg inside screen or tmux"
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• 2116[19:00:36] <SerajewelKS> that would not have helped either
• 2117[19:00:48] <jelly> the jury is out there!
• 2118[19:00:52] <SerajewelKS> VTs and ssh were inaccessible
• 2119[19:01:09] <jelly> okay, maybe they're coming back in now
• 2120[19:01:16] <greycat> if nothing else, it would have continued running until the next prompt
• 2121[19:01:35] <SerajewelKS> nothing was running, the kernel hung by every indication
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• 2123[19:02:31] <SerajewelKS> *plonk* maybe not
• 2124[19:02:35] <jelly> that can happen with nvidia alright, but even moreso with nouveau
• 2125[19:02:44] <SerajewelKS> was trying to ssh from my phone... it's on a different VLAN right now
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• 2128[19:03:10] <SerajewelKS> so it's entirely possible i could have connected with ssh. no way to tell now.
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• 2130[19:03:24] <SerajewelKS> at any rate, the safest approach is probably to stop the DM and do the upgrade from a VT anyway
• 2131[19:03:39] <greycat> no arguments there
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• 2134[19:04:21] <jelly> I do not remember having such an experience upgrading those, but then again I never built them on my own. Usually stole binaries from experimental or sid.
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• 2136[19:05:11] <SerajewelKS> buster version doesn't solve the problem, on to sid!
• 2137[19:06:32] <jelly> just say no to any dependencies that are not, in aptitude parlance, ?source(nvidia-graphics-drivers)
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• 2145[19:08:33] <SerajewelKS> but i have a shiny new chroot now!
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• 2170[19:15:03] <caryatid> Hello -- I need to compile a very small c program statically so I can run it on a router's rescue system that will not have libc. I cannot seem to find a way to install a libc.a file in debian. Will I actually need to compile gnulibc myself? I come from the world if Alpine linux so I'm pretty ignorant to the debian ecosphere, apologies in advance for that ignorance.
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• 2173[19:15:19] <greycat> if you have libc6-dev then you should be able to do this
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• 2176[19:15:47] <greycat> the actual library is in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.a but you don't need to know that
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• 2178[19:15:58] <greycat> (adjusted for arch)
• 2179[19:16:14] <jelly> caryatid: which cpu architecture does said router use?
• 2180[19:16:27] <SerajewelKS> (hint: probably arm)
• 2181[19:16:29] <caryatid> greycat: perfect -- Already have that installed and was just looking in the wrong place for the .a file. It's there
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• 2183[19:16:45] <caryatid> jelly: it's all x86_64
• 2184[19:16:50] <jelly> SerajewelKS: mips is still a better guess for network equipment these days
• 2185[19:17:02] <caryatid> pretty beefy routers, these
• 2186[19:17:14] <greycat> Daaaamn, a -static hello world using puts is 750 kB.
• 2187[19:17:20] <greycat> -rwxr-xr-x 1 wooledg voice 755744 May 2 13:16 hello
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• 2189[19:17:45] <jelly> greycat: and it still needs libc.so.6! :-)
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• 2191[19:18:03] <greycat> ... no?
• 2192[19:18:26] <jelly> well it would if you also wanted something like gethostbyname()
• 2193[19:18:26] <greycat> I mean, I'm not going to remove libc.so.6 to see what happens, but it says "not a dynamic executable" under ldd.
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• 2197[19:18:45] <caryatid> heh. yeah. binary will be painfully large todo so little :) The context, if anyone is interested is for a pretty bonkers ramdisk based pivot root and reinstall on replaced-url
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• 2199[19:19:20] <jelly> caryatid: go build stuff with musl or klibc instead. musl is pretty nice.
• 2200[19:19:23] <grobi> hello :) running Debian 9.9 , could this be a valid print command to print from alpine ?
• 2201[19:19:34] <grobi> lp -d EPSON WF-2530 Series
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• 2204[19:19:49] <greycat> I seriously doubt it.
• 2205[19:19:53] <SerajewelKS> jelly: ah for "enterprise" gear yeah. most of the home routers i've seen use some arm variant.
• 2206[19:20:10] <caryatid> yah. i live normally in the alpine world ( which is musl ) but the folks where I'm working want it all in debian.
• 2207[19:20:26] <jelly> SerajewelKS: not enterprise, just a dozen customer premises equipment thingies
• 2208[19:20:39] <caryatid> which, honestly, I've been really impressed with.
• 2209[19:20:44] <greycat> grobi: what does "lpstat -t" say about your system default destination, and other queue names?
• 2210[19:20:46] <grobi> i ask about alpine mail client
• 2211[19:20:53] <jelly> caryatid: we have musl as well.
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• 2213[19:22:02] <caryatid> jelly: sweet. didn't even think of that. I can look up how, but is it possible to install musl via packages w/o borking the gnulibc setup on a given box?
• 2214[19:22:09] <jelly> caryatid: I remember trying to do what that script/.c does manually, once, it backfired quite spectacularly
• 2215[19:22:21] <jelly> caryatid: yes
• 2216[19:22:27] <caryatid> jelly: yeah. it's super scary isn't it ;)
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• 2218[19:22:44] <jelly> tmpfs was buggy at the time
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• 2222[19:23:42] <grobi> greycat: cant use a paste service my connection is to slow. but it calls my printer as this: EPSON-WF-2530-Series
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• 2224[19:23:58] <greycat> then if anything, you might want lp -d EPSON-WF-2530-Series
• 2225[19:24:04] <greycat> not that thing you showed earlier with all the spaces in it
• 2226[19:24:18] <greycat> but if that's the system default destination, then all you need is: lp
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• 2228[19:24:23] <grobi> yes sure
• 2229[19:24:33] <grobi> i will try..
• 2230[19:24:53] <grobi> aha
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• 2232[19:25:14] <grobi> i try both again thank you! :)
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• 2235[19:25:50] <jelly> ,i musl-dev
• 2236[19:25:51] <judd> Package musl-dev (libs, extra) in stretch/amd64: standard C library development files. Version: 1.1.16-3; Size: 530.2k; Installed: 3058k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2237[19:25:52] <SerajewelKS> that went much better this time, from a VT
• 2238[19:26:39] <jelly> caryatid: now, I have absolutely no idea on how you actually build and link against it, just know it's there
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• 2242[19:27:37] <kreyren> How can i use apt to search for specific file in repositorz_
• 2243[19:27:58] <kreyren> */repostitorz_/repository?
• 2244[19:28:10] <greycat> apt-file
• 2245[19:28:13] <kreyren> ty
• 2246[19:28:14] <Sleaker> kreyren: you don't search a specific repository with apt, you search the cache.
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• 2249[19:28:35] <greycat> normally the filenames are not available to you, unless you install and use apt-file
• 2250[19:29:03] <jelly> this bot is more handy of occasional use, but only covers official repos:
• 2251[19:29:12] <jelly> ,file bin/mpv
• 2252[19:29:16] <judd> Search for bin/mpv in stretch/amd64: mpv: usr/bin/mpv
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• 2257[19:29:27] <jelly> s/of/for/
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• 2265[19:32:23] <grobi> greycat: just 'l'p worked fine! :) So 'lp -d xy-z--123' is for printers which are not set as default?
• 2266[19:32:31] <greycat> yes
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• 2268[19:32:52] <grobi> aaaaah thank you !
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• 2274[19:37:02] <tsglove> Hello. I was looking for the Debian9 handbook... would this one apply? It's for Debian8, yet... I believe I can port pretty much any question from 8 to my installation of 9. replaced-url
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• 2276[19:37:19] <tsglove> Are there any big changes between handbook-8 and a fresh 9 install?
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• 2278[19:38:45] <greycat> In terms of networking, the main changes from 8 to 9 are: in the default installation, under 9, you have no net-tools and you use the "predictable" interface names; if net-tools is installed, its output format is different, so every script that parses ifconfig's output is broken.
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• 2280[19:39:50] <tsglove> greycat, ok super. Thank you!
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• 2291[19:45:12] <caryatid> ^^ got my tiny c prog statically compiled w/ both gnulibc && musl. Thanks so much for all the help :)
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• 2298[19:49:40] <jelly> caryatid: but which result is tinier?
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• 2300[19:50:48] <caryatid> lol :) musl by so much 740 vs 20 k
• 2301[19:52:07] <Antoine-> Hello, I have a computer connected to a VPN with OpenVPN. It is set as "redirect-gateway def1" so that all traffic go through the VPN. Now I'm wondering if it would be possible to add a second connection and make only some packages use it. I would like to get a second connection and have only qbittorrent use it. Is that possible?
• 2302[19:52:46] <JohnGavr> Antoine-, why to do it?
• 2303[19:52:54] <Antoine-> Let me know if this is offtopic. My computer runs Debian but this might be on the edge
• 2304[19:53:02] <JohnGavr> Let the traffic on VPN
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• 2306[19:53:33] <Antoine-> JohnGavr: I set up the first VPN connection so I would get a fixed IP address and not get port blocked by my internet provider
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• 2308[19:54:09] <Antoine-> I would like to download some torrents from the same server but don't want to use the first VPN connection because it is slow
• 2309[19:55:34] <qdb> i just want to say, answering a joke of somebody, several hours ago, say that i am not networking or debian expert. (but i can make some decisions...)
• 2310[19:56:25] <Antoine-> qdb: Was that for me? No, I'm not an expert of anything :)
• 2311[19:56:46] <Antoine-> JohnGavr: Is what I'm trying to do a good idea? Is there a better way?
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• 2313[19:57:08] <qdb> i have no logs here... webchat...
• 2314[19:57:17] <JohnGavr> i don't know. Wait someone else to answer
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• 2316[19:57:36] <Antoine-> JohnGavr: Oh ok, thanks anyway :)
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• 2320[19:57:56] <Antoine-> qdb: Ah, my bad, I hid the join/leave logs
• 2321[19:58:12] <Antoine-> have hidden*
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• 2323[20:00:26] <qdb> muslims should not lie even as a joke, as prophet muhammad teached, so i want to refute, even if it was a joke said by somebody else
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• 2331[20:03:43] <cybrNaut> suppose I have this file, and I want to disable it: /etc/systemd/network/xyz0.network
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• 2333[20:03:56] <cybrNaut> is it just a matter of changing the extension?
• 2334[20:04:00] <subb1> Hi guys..I've a debian 9 box. When I try a 'restart' of 'networking', the process completely clobbers my interfaces rendering them inactive. I have to reboot the server henceforth to get networking restored. Is this a known bug?
• 2335[20:04:04] <cybrNaut> like adding a ".disable" to the end?
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• 2346[20:09:45] <jmichel> /mode #debian +q
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• 2349[20:12:32] <cybrNaut> nevermind (replaced-url
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• 2358[20:16:30] <cybrNaut> i think there's a bug in these instructions.. can someone confirm? replaced-url
• 2359[20:16:52] <cybrNaut> "pre-up wg-quick up $IFACE" is missing a suffix, no?
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• 2361[20:18:56] <cybrNaut> ah, no.. nevermind
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• 2379[20:28:37] <mutante> i use "apt-get -s --only-upgrade install libapache2-mod-php5". i expect: packages to be upgraded but no new packages be installed.. in the simulation. i see: "The following extra packages will be installed ..php5-cli php5-common php5-curl.." ? How do i really ONLY upgrade? or is it because it's the simulated install and doesnt get it
• 2380[20:29:09] <greycat> if libapache2-mod-php5 depends on x y z you get x y z
• 2381[20:29:13] <greycat> ,depends libapache2-mod-php5
• 2382[20:29:15] <judd> No package named 'libapache2-mod-php5' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2383[20:29:28] <greycat> ,depends libapache2-mod-php5 --release jessie
• 2384[20:29:29] <judd> Package libapache2-mod-php5 in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.15), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libdb5.3, libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libonig2 (>= 5.9.5), libpcre3 (>= 1:8.35), libqdbm14 (>= 1.8.74), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libxml2 (>= 2.9.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), apache2-api-20120211, apache2 (>= 2.4),
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• 2386[20:29:30] <judd> mime-support, php5-common (= 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1), php5-cli, php5-json, libmagic1, ucf, tzdata.
• 2387[20:29:44] <mutante> i want to only upgrade packages already installed and avoid installing anything new
• 2388[20:29:55] <mutante> i dont want to run apt-get upgrade because that would do more than just php*
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• 2390[20:30:03] <mutante> right now i want apt-get upgrade only for php*
• 2391[20:30:13] <greycat> 14:30 mutante> right now i want apt-get upgrade only for php*
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• 2393[20:30:24] <greycat> 14:28 mutante> [...] packages will be installed ..php5-cli php5-common php5-curl..
• 2394[20:30:42] <mutante> greycat: yes, i do NOT want to install new packages
• 2395[20:30:46] <greycat> *PLONK*
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• 2397[20:31:22] <mutante> ? i just want it to do what --only-upgrade says in the man page
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• 2403[20:34:05] <aedinius> I don't even see a --only-upgrade in the man page
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• 2406[20:34:28] <aedinius> ah, wrong version of the man page.
• 2407[20:34:44] <mutante> --only-upgrade
• 2408[20:34:45] <mutante> Do not install new packages; when used in conjunction with install, only-upgrade will install upgrades for already installed
• 2409[20:34:47] <mutante> packages only and ignore requests to install new packages. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Only-Upgrade.
• 2410[20:34:59] <mutante> i want this.. but when i use it, i still see new installs
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• 2412[20:36:19] <aedinius> try: apt-get -s upgrade libapache2-mod-php5
• 2413[20:36:23] * Old_Dog lazily ambles in and lays down.
• 2414[20:36:24] <aedinius> What does it say?
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• 2416[20:37:05] <mutante> aedinius: unmet dependencies for other php5-* packages :/
• 2417[20:37:05] <aedinius> It should upgrade if it can, but if it has to install a new package as a depenency it shouldn't (iirc)
• 2418[20:37:06] <greycat> I should have included more words in my paste of his paste.
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• 2420[20:37:23] <greycat> 14:28 mutante> [...] "The following extra packages will be installed ..php5-cli php5-common php5-curl.."
• 2421[20:37:24] <aedinius> mutante: and that's your reason as to why it's installing.
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• 2423[20:39:19] <jelly> mutante: can you show complete output?
• 2424[20:39:25] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 2425[20:39:26] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2427[20:39:42] <greycat> It does not say they are NEW packages.
• 2428[20:39:51] <greycat> Unless he simply omitted that part.
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• 2431[20:40:13] <mutante> greycat: ok, i went through the list of "extra packages" and checked if they are already installed.. and they are! then i have no more questions i think
• 2432[20:40:17] <greycat> He wanted only php. He showed only php. He wanted nothing new. He showed nothing new.
• 2433[20:40:25] <greycat> Everything he said he wanted, he was already getting.
• 2434[20:40:50] <mutante> greycat is right, my interpretation of the word "extra" was the root issue
• 2435[20:40:55] <aedinius> ah.
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• 2437[20:41:07] <mutante> i only get packages that are indeed already installed. so i'm good. thanks
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• 2440[20:41:50] <jhutchins_wk> Wonder what he's installing on that he's so uptight about packages. Maybe an old Atari 800?
• 2441[20:42:15] <greycat> I have no problem with people who are uptight, just when they are WILLFULLY IGNORANT.
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• 2444[20:42:42] <jelly> shirley ya meant wilfully*
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• 2446[20:42:54] <aedinius> wilfuly*
• 2447[20:42:56] <mutante> oh come on, sorry for bothering you
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• 2450[20:43:44] <jelly> nope, apparently > Willful is the American spelling of the adjective meaning (1) done on purpose, or (2) intent on having one’s own way. Wilful is the preferred spelling in all the main varieties of English from outside North America.
• 2451[20:44:35] <humpled> oh america
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• 2453[20:45:28] <greycat> I may be a filthy American but at least I know the difference between "extra packages" and "NEW packages", and I am not too god-damned stubborn to check whether the packages in question are in fact already installed.
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• 2456[20:46:10] <greycat> Of course I wouldn't be trying to cherry-pick security updates on an ancient release either.
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• 2465[20:52:29] <jelly> now now, jessie isn't THAT ancient!
• 2466[20:52:38] <jelly> !comfort jessie
• 2467[20:52:38] <dpkg> There, there, jessie. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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• 2522[21:18:26] <kreyren> Need help, i have broken package that i cant remove and it bricked my apt replaced-url
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• 2528[21:20:29] <kreyren> should i remove it manually?
• 2529[21:21:03] <zleap> i can't help there sorry, but stick around and someone may be able to help you
• 2530[21:21:21] <jelly> judd: file bin/rc-service --release buster
• 2531[21:21:26] <judd> Search for bin/rc-service in buster/amd64: openrc: sbin/rc-service
• 2532[21:21:41] <jelly> kreyren: which init system are you using?
• 2533[21:22:21] <kreyren> jelly, based on replaced-url
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• 2536[21:22:37] <jelly> kreyren: is openrc installed?
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• 2538[21:22:51] <kreyren> jelly, negative
• 2539[21:22:52] <jelly> kreyren: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say
• 2540[21:23:11] <kreyren> jelly returns init
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• 2542[21:23:17] <kreyren> *"init"
• 2543[21:23:24] <jelly> just init, and not systemd?
• 2544[21:23:29] <kreyren> correct
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• 2546[21:23:38] <uberwag> in my interfaces on my vps, the static ip details are written by the hosting and instead of having gateway x.x.x.1 it reads "host-up route add x.x.x.1 dev eth0" and "host-up route add default gw x.x.x.1 dev eth0" why would you do this instead of just declaring the gateway?
• 2547[21:23:57] <jelly> that points to sysvinit, but why is update-rc.d looking for an openrc command
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• 2550[21:24:25] <jelly> er, invoke-rc.d
• 2551[21:24:31] <kreyren> jelly, dunno, suggestions ?
• 2552[21:25:12] <jelly> kreyren: does /run/openrc/softlevel exist?
• 2553[21:25:14] <kreyren> jelly: edit: i've used `mysql-server_5.5.9999+default_amd64.deb` from debian packages for this packages iirc
• 2554[21:25:21] <kreyren> so thats probably why
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• 2557[21:25:43] <kreyren> jelly: it does
• 2558[21:25:58] <jelly> kreyren: is this a chroot or container of some sort?
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• 2560[21:26:10] <kreyren> it's sandboxed in stratum
• 2561[21:26:17] <kreyren> checking
• 2562[21:26:19] <jelly> kreyren: what does this say: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /sbin/init)
• 2563[21:26:38] <kreyren> jelly, returns "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
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• 2565[21:27:15] <jelly> that's... weird
• 2566[21:27:26] <jelly> kreyren: ls -ld /usr/lib /lib
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• 2568[21:27:47] <kreyren> jelly, replaced-url
• 2569[21:27:52] <greycat> why are you looking for /usr/lib/systemd/systemd
• 2570[21:28:00] <greycat> there are two errors in that...
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• 2572[21:28:23] <greycat> oh, maybe just one. the second d is apparently valid.
• 2573[21:28:40] * kreyren is confused
• 2574[21:28:46] <jelly> trying to figure out which init is running, which is installed, and why does invoke-rc.d think openrc is the active init
• 2575[21:28:50] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Apr 8 06:59 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
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• 2578[21:29:40] <jelly> greycat: there are 2-3 different approaches to /usr / merge (usrmerge)
• 2579[21:29:45] <greycat> I am not going to ask why a compiled executable program is in /lib. I am not.
• 2580[21:29:53] <jelly> and lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 14 22:35 /lib -> usr/lib looks like one of them
• 2581[21:30:03] <kreyren> afaik it should be using systemd by default but since it's running in chroot i dont use init on it
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• 2584[21:31:29] <jelly> kreyren: I think the process 1 you're actually using is not installed with debian's package manager, and possibly comes from outside the container
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• 2587[21:32:11] <jelly> kreyren: does "systemctl status" work?
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• 2589[21:32:37] <kreyren> jelly, negative replaced-url
• 2590[21:32:38] <kreyren> investigating
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• 2592[21:32:55] <jelly> yep, it's merely installed but not running at al
• 2593[21:33:01] <kreyren> is it possible that buster provides both systemd and openrc now?
• 2594[21:33:12] <jelly> you just said openrc was not installed at all
• 2595[21:33:13] <kreyren> assuming openrc present in /run
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• 2598[21:33:25] <kreyren> openrc not installed, but directory present in /run/
• 2599[21:33:39] <greycat> kreyren: not here.
• 2600[21:33:45] <kreyren> replaced-url
• 2601[21:33:50] <jelly> its state is there, the binary might not be present in your debian container at all
• 2602[21:33:55] <jelly> ,v openrc
• 2603[21:33:56] <judd> Package: openrc on amd64 -- jessie: 0.13.1-4; stretch: 0.23-1+b1; buster: 0.40.3-1; sid: 0.40.3-1
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• 2605[21:34:57] <jelly> kreyren: I have no idea if trying to make things consistent, installing openrc inside debian instead of systemd-sysv, will break things. Best contact your provider.
• 2606[21:34:59] <kreyren> jelly, so i installed openRC and it resolved the issue seemingly replaced-url
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• 2609[21:36:09] <jelly> kreyren: it's anyone's guess if the system will boot correctly on the next reboot :-)
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• 2611[21:36:23] <kreyren> i think that i can just remove both packages now.. yep seems to work replaced-url
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• 2613[21:36:59] <kreyren> greycat, jelly: is noted, thanks for help
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• 2615[21:37:13] <xyxxy> for whatever reason I cannot login to my wifi, are there logs I can review to see what is going on?
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• 2617[21:37:57] <jelly> kreyren: I would not remove openrc, as you're having problems with invoke-rc.d command which is not mysql/mariadb specific, installing _any_ package that starts services will break.
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• 2619[21:38:09] <jelly> or stops services.
• 2620[21:38:28] <jelly> or removing a package that stops a service.
• 2621[21:38:30] <kreyren> jelly, noted, is it sane to remove systemd then?
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• 2623[21:38:41] <kreyren> assuming replacing with openrc
• 2624[21:38:50] <jelly> kreyren: probably but who knows why it's there in the first placew
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• 2626[21:38:57] <kreyren> noted
• 2627[21:39:35] <jelly> btw, what is "stratum"?
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• 2632[21:40:52] <kreyren> sandbox
• 2633[21:41:11] <jelly> doing a web search for "stratum containers" or "stratum sandbox" yields suprisingly irrelevant results
• 2634[21:41:38] <jelly> sandbox for what that runs on what?
• 2635[21:41:47] <jelly> (do you have an URL?)
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• 2641[21:42:30] <kreyren> its sandboxed on bedrock linux (disclaimer: i excluded bedrock issue before asking here since i think its caused by the sid package)
• 2642[21:42:48] <kreyren> and i wasnt sure if removing it manually was best course of action
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• 2645[21:43:16] <jelly> > Bedrock Linux is a meta Linux distribution which allows users to utilize features from other, typically mutually exclusive distributions.
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• 2647[21:43:23] <greycat> are you getting "/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" from the bedrock linux layer, and trying to look for in in the Debian layer?
• 2648[21:43:26] <jelly> now I've seen everything!
• 2649[21:43:45] <kreyren> greycat, negative systemd is provided by debian
• 2650[21:43:50] <kreyren> afaik
• 2651[21:43:51] <jelly> greycat: I think openrc is coming from outside, and systemd is merely installed inside debian but not actually doing anything
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• 2654[21:44:06] <greycat> I'm still wondering where in the hell you got /usr/lib/systemd/systemd from because that is NOT the path used in Debian but it IS the path used in upstream
• 2655[21:44:07] <jelly> and /run is possibly bind-mounted from outside
• 2656[21:44:19] <kreyren> jelly, excluded it by using strat -r debian bash which is going to disable all symlinks + /run is not symlinked
• 2657[21:44:27] <jelly> greycat: they got that because of usrmerge
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• 2659[21:44:38] <kreyren> sorry if i offend you by asking with help for debian stratum btw
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• 2661[21:45:15] <greycat> ... so "stratum" is the word used by bedrock linux to mean "a foreign linux system that's being containerized or whatever"?
• 2662[21:45:52] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Apr 14 22:35 /lib -> usr/lib # voila, everything from /lib is now in /usr/lib
• 2663[21:45:58] <kreyren> it refers to fetching different distribution in a stratum and then using sandboxing tools like chroot() to interact with it
• 2664[21:46:01] <jelly> because reasons!
• 2665[21:46:24] <kreyren> jelly, checking shoudn't be caused by bedrock
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• 2667[21:46:42] <jelly> greycat: you can use a recent debootstrap to get various usrmerge setups
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• 2670[21:47:33] <de-facto> Hey im going to install debian on a shuttle intel celeron barebone tomorrow, i need to have fast webgl in chromium, which gfx stack/drivers would i need? intel something?
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• 2672[21:47:41] <jelly> and debian being debian, it's going to keep supporting all the usrmerge approaches and the "let's not do that at all" option as well
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• 2674[21:48:11] <kreyren> jelly, correct the symlink is made by bedrock my fault then.. probably the package detected openrc from other stratum and used that instead, i try to confirm and commit a fix
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• 2676[21:49:00] <jelly> kreyren: the /lib -> usr/lib symlink is, I _think_ kind of supported in buster and will be supported in bullseye, that's not the problem here
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• 2680[21:49:33] <jelly> kreyren: your container not having the right init installed, but having its /run stuff present, is the problem
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• 2682[21:50:21] <jelly> it's a bit unusual to run debian with openrc but as you can see not completely unsupported
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• 2688[21:51:26] <jelly> > Broadly, it uses various virtual filesystem layer tools such as chroot, pivot_root, bind mounts (including shared subtree control), and FUSE filesystems, and symlinks to control exactly which instance of a file a given process sees in a given situation.
• 2689[21:51:34] <kreyren> jelly, is noted i think that this could be fixed by not symlinking /run across stratums but i need to investigate
• 2690[21:51:40] <jelly> that's A: to Q: How does Bedrock Linux work
• 2691[21:52:33] <jelly> right, so it's not actually a Debian issue
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• 2693[21:53:27] <kreyren> my fault then im sorry
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• 2696[21:56:12] <jelly> it's an interesting setup
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• 2698[21:57:40] <jelly> but probably ultimately unsupportable in any specific distro channel other than its own
• 2699[21:57:40] <kreyren> yep i have all packages in linux and it good method to manage backups
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• 2703[21:59:38] <jelly> it might be an option for people that love frankendebians
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• 2707[22:03:01] <xyxxy> does anyone know where my wifi authentcation logs are located? i'm trying to troubleshoot why i cannot authenticate to my company's wireless network.
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• 2709[22:03:59] <format_c> xyxxy: /var/log/syslog or if differently specified in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf.d/* files.
• 2710[22:04:06] <de-facto> Any idea which gfx driver stack i would need to get hw accelerated webgl running in chromium for a replaced-url
• 2711[22:05:03] <de-facto> "Intel® HD Graphics 500 (9th Gen), graphics frequency: 250~700 MHz" whatever that means... i HOPE not GMA500
• 2712[22:05:49] <de-facto> should be integrated in its "Intel® Celeron® Processor J3355, Dual Core"
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• 2716[22:10:15] <aloo_shu> interesting to see a layered filesystem solution *with* cli manipulation. I've only seen one distro where the initrd is setting up an aufs from various virt. fs' (puppy), and have always wondered how one would do the same manually. It's not per se a debian question, but it might be right in stable that I could want to try overlaying rather than bind-mounting in order to switch between 2 states
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• 2721[22:13:07] <de-facto> Does anyone know what "Intel® HD Graphics 500" would need for gfx drivers in debian? replaced-url
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• 2724[22:13:55] <greycat> if you *have* the hardware, get the PCI ID and then do an internet search for debian + that PCI ID
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• 2726[22:14:19] <de-facto> yeah i am gonna do that tomorrow, i dont have it with me right now
• 2727[22:14:20] <greycat> if you don't, your best bet is to find the most popular PC model that uses that hardware, and search for debian + that model number
• 2728[22:14:22] <de-facto> just wanted to google a bit in advance
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• 2730[22:14:45] <de-facto> its a shuttle dx30 i think
• 2731[22:15:00] <greycat> I tried that already -- nothing. But feel free to try yourself.
• 2732[22:15:18] <greycat> I'm betting it would use the modeset driver though.
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• 2738[22:18:22] <de-facto> at least "intel® Celeron® Processors with Intel® HD Graphics - Apollo Lake" is listed under supported hw in replaced-url
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• 2742[22:18:59] <greycat> #908852
• 2743[22:19:31] <greycat> well, it says it's fixed...
• 2744[22:19:37] <greycat> ,v grub2
• 2745[22:19:38] <judd> Package: grub2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5+deb9u1; buster: 2.02+dfsg1-16; sid: 2.02+dfsg1-17
• 2746[22:19:55] <greycat> so, it will probably boot! yay!
• 2747[22:20:24] <greycat> judd why you no give bug description #908852
• 2748[22:20:25] <judd> No package named 'you' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 2751[22:21:38] <de-facto> would that already be in the netinstall iso?
• 2752[22:21:52] <greycat> doesn't matter. a net install gets it from the net.
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• 2754[22:22:39] <de-facto> ah yeah as long as i can get it to boot from a usb drive or such it should be able to pull the latest bits from the repos
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• 2759[22:24:25] <greycat> gods, I don't know what the fuck I just closed, but I think it was a blog post by a markov chain bot
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• 2762[22:25:12] <greycat> it was written in multiple languages, one of them east Asian, and consisted of random sentences followed by huge lists of buzz words that were obviously SEO attempts
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• 2765[22:26:48] <de-facto> lol yeah they try to do such things...
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• 2770[22:29:17] <de-facto> oh i really hope that one is not a gma500, i remember that had horrible drivers few years ago on atom silverlake
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• 2779[22:35:15] <de-facto> yeah i just will try via pci id's tomorrow, have to do that anyways
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• 2800[22:46:23] <sourcream> In debian 9, I have systemd unit which I need to run after network is connected. After=network.target or network-online.target doesn't work. Anyone any idea?
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• 2803[22:46:58] <Habbie> sourcream, last time i checked, there was no such target
• 2804[22:47:21] <sourcream> Hmm
• 2805[22:47:40] <sourcream> I don't know, is there some other way to do this?
• 2806[22:48:09] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: There should be a way to require networking.
• 2807[22:48:10] <greycat> !auto
• 2808[22:48:10] <dpkg> Interfaces marked "auto" are waited for by things that wait for the network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target). "allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not always needed, so network-online won't wait for it.
• 2809[22:48:30] <greycat> Yay, I don't have to type that again.
• 2810[22:48:50] <sourcream> jhutchins_wk, does network-online.target exists?
• 2811[22:48:59] <sourcream> there is networking.service
• 2812[22:49:16] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2813[22:49:29] <greycat> fine, ignore me, ignore the bot, what could we possibly know about it
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• 2816[22:50:00] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: It looks like there's more than one way to do it, probably depending on the systemd version. "systemd wait for network" is one of the suggestions google gives me if I type "systemd wait".
• 2817[22:50:20] <greycat> I'll just sit here.
• 2818[22:50:28] <sourcream> greycat, oh sorry
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• 2820[22:50:36] <sourcream> i didnt know u were talking to me you should tag :D
• 2821[22:50:45] <greycat> this bot does not have that ability
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• 2823[22:51:06] <greycat> people sometimes trigger a factoid and then on the next line do a nick and type out ^^^
• 2824[22:51:17] <greycat> but I figured seeing network-online.target in the bot factoid would have been enough.
• 2825[22:51:58] <sourcream> btw im on VPS, does every vps provider had to configure their debians specifically or could it work without them configuring it?
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• 2827[22:52:22] <sourcream> there is this folder /etc/systemd/system/network-online.target.wants
• 2828[22:52:28] <greycat> !auto
• 2829[22:52:28] <dpkg> Interfaces marked "auto" are waited for by things that wait for the network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target). "allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not always needed, so network-online won't wait for it.
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• 2832[22:53:10] <jhutchins_wk> network-online.target.wants/networking.service
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• 2834[22:53:24] <sourcream> jhutchins_wk, yep that is there could it help?
• 2835[22:53:42] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: Documentation.
• 2836[22:53:54] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: I'm not sure how you implement it.
• 2837[22:54:31] <sourcream> hmm
• 2838[22:54:34] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: There's no real consistency, some providers just do a stock base install, some do extensive customization, private repos, and/or altered kernels.
• 2839[22:54:57] <sourcream> oh okay!
• 2840[22:55:15] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: I think the mint wiki has pretty good online docs for systemd, debian wiki is catching up too.
• 2841[22:55:16] <sourcream> greycat, so about auto
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• 2843[22:55:36] <sourcream> replaced-url
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• 2853[22:58:50] <sourcream> greycat, did you meant tha auto in /etc/network/interfaces
• 2854[22:58:55] <greycat> yes
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• 2856[22:59:25] <sourcream> Would it help if I send you the content?
• 2857[22:59:59] <greycat> are you incapable of reading it and seeing whether the interface is marked "auto" or "allow-hotplug"?
• 2858[23:00:27] <sourcream> I can read it but I have no idea really
• 2859[23:00:29] <sourcream> auto lo | iface lo inet loopback | allow-hotplug ens3 | iface ens3 inet dhcp | iface ens3 inet6 auto
• 2860[23:00:37] <sourcream> looks like that but pipes are new lines
• 2861[23:00:45] <greycat> you see where it says "allow-hotplug ens3"?
• 2862[23:00:57] <sourcream> yep allow-hotplug ens3
• 2863[23:01:05] <greycat> Change that to "auto ens3".
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• 2865[23:01:26] <sourcream> Alright! So that ens3, is that the interface name
• 2866[23:01:28] <sourcream> or what is it
• 2867[23:01:30] <greycat> yes
• 2868[23:01:49] <sourcream> greycat, is it by default allow-hotplug?
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• 2871[23:02:13] <sourcream> and if I change it to auto, the network.target will wait it then?
• 2872[23:02:36] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: allow-hotplug is often used on laptops that may or may not have a wired connection when they boot, but may have one connected later.
• 2873[23:02:45] <greycat> network-online.target definitely will. I'm less certain about network.target, but try it and see.
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• 2875[23:03:10] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: "auto" won't bring the IF up when you connect the cable, allow-hotplug will, and will also not fail if there's no connection at boot.
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• 2877[23:03:31] <greycat> it's a VPS so there's no cable to disconnect or connect
• 2878[23:03:42] <greycat> there is no legitimate reason to have allow-hotplug on a VPS
• 2879[23:04:17] <sourcream> Okay! Do you happen to know what its by default, or is this default configuration on debian?
• 2880[23:04:26] <sourcream> and yeah it made it little more clear now
• 2881[23:04:31] <greycat> We don't know how your VPS was installed.
• 2882[23:04:34] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: It's whatever name is already in the file.
• 2883[23:04:45] <greycat> YES it is the default in a STANDARD debian install but this is of ZERO relevance.
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• 2885[23:05:02] <greycat> What matters is what it's set to NOW.
• 2886[23:05:14] <sourcream> yeah thats what I was wondering, so I could tell if the provider change this distro somehow
• 2887[23:05:19] <sourcream> yeah :D
• 2888[23:05:22] <greycat> Irrelevant.
• 2889[23:05:29] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: Can't you edit it yourself?
• 2890[23:05:40] <sourcream> jhutchins_wk, yeah I can, I will do it in second
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• 2892[23:06:21] <sourcream> network-online.target and network.target, what folder are those? They both should exists in debian 9 right?
• 2893[23:06:36] <greycat> (It is PROBABLE that they simply didn't bother to fix that setting after some unknown kind of Debian install which left it set to allow-hotplug. So you fix it for yourself.)
• 2894[23:06:36] <jhutchins_wk> sourcream: I see, you mean suggest the ISP change their default image.
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• 2896[23:07:44] <sourcream> yeah I could send them feedback about it. I'm still so noob with linux machines so thanks for giving some insight
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• 2900[23:08:11] <greycat> Before you worry about all of that, I would start by making the change, saving the file, and rebooting to see if it works.
• 2901[23:08:19] <greycat> If it works, then you can give feedback.
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• 2903[23:09:03] <sourcream> yeye, so in systemd unit, should I use After=network.target or After=network-online.target
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• 2905[23:09:11] <sourcream> Do they both exists on debian 9 right?
• 2906[23:09:15] <greycat> yes
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• 2909[23:10:20] <de-facto> on my vps i just use auto eth0 with static ip address (as its public and wont change): like this printf "auto eth0 \n\tiface eth0 inet static\n\taddress 1.2.3.4\n\tnetmask 255.255.255.0\n\tbroadcast 1.2.3.255\n\tgateway 1.2.3.1\t\ndns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4"
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• 2914[23:11:30] <greycat> mine was generated by the VPS provider and I didn't have to mess with it, at least not that I can remember
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• 2917[23:12:38] <greycat> then again the mtime on it is Jan 2018 and the VPS is older than that, so... *shrug*
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• 2922[23:13:55] <de-facto> i just didnt want to depend on the providers dhcp server answering fastest, who knows who is in a network segment with me on there :)
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• 2924[23:14:05] <greycat> so anyway, if just changing /e/n/i isn't sufficient, then you can look into creating drop-in systemd configuration snippets to do "After=..." on specific services
• 2925[23:14:31] <greycat> de-facto: mine's static as well, but again that was done before I got there
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• 2927[23:14:42] <greycat> I think
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• 2932[23:16:00] <de-facto> yeah, i always prefer to just use standard debian configs and note all changes I did to a clean install so i can replicate easily (or maybe script, was too lazy to do that yet)
• 2933[23:16:02] <sourcream> Okay, I created the snapshot and when its ready I will make new instance of it and see if it works
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• 2936[23:16:20] <sourcream> what VPS providers you guys use?
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• 2938[23:17:08] <jhutchins_wk> j kclug
• 2939[23:17:22] <de-facto> make sure you have VNC access :)
• 2940[23:17:34] <sourcream> lul i have only ssh
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• 2951[23:20:27] <de-facto> ok but snapshot then :)
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• 2954[23:21:10] <de-facto> my vps provider gives me a rescue vnc shell in the browser, its pretty neat when network wont come up for some reason, but that never happened :)
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• 2958[23:23:01] <sourcream> yee
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• 2960[23:23:47] <sourcream> Okay snapshot is done now creating the instance
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• 2963[23:25:05] <sourcream> pls work im so sad when I get stuck cuz this project is my whole life
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• 2968[23:28:02] <sourcream> greycat you are fucking god it works. finally after 14 hours I can go sleep with a grin on my face
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