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• 34[00:22:45] <dadinn> hi all
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• 39[00:25:22] <dadinn> i am trying to boot debian live on a Thinkpad P1, my issue is that after booting, and Debian seemingly logging in, I get an empty background, and mouse doesn't work, nothing is responding... I am using the Gnome+nonfree image, have tried with simple Gnome with the same result.
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• 43[00:25:56] <dadinn> am I doing something wrong?
• 44[00:26:46] <dadinn> the screen is dead, nothing happens, I can see the mouse pointer, but the mouse is not working, nothing is working
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• 46[00:29:44] <Ooze> Hi. My friend shared this script with me, but I don't understand how I'm meant to imput my password & the destination host. Did he excluse part of the script, or am I not understanding the argument input order? replaced-url
• 47[00:30:31] <Ooze> (ignore the .rpm) :)
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• 74[00:51:20] <lwp> dadinn, how did you copy the Gnome+nonfree image to your boot media ?
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• 85[01:00:11] <usney> how to I list only cli apps when searching for apps via apt-cache search?
• 86[01:00:35] <usney> They can be tui apps too
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• 99[01:09:53] <somiaj> !debtags
• 100[01:09:53] <dpkg> from memory, debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". For a GUI install packagesearch. Search (or add new tags) at replaced-url
• 101[01:10:09] <somiaj> though I don't think things are fully tagged, but that is the only thing I think you can search that might have a cli tag
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• 129[01:22:09] <jerry> po
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• 148[01:42:32] <dadinn> hi all
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• 158[01:48:32] <lwp> dadinn, did you fix your live problem?
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• 160[01:49:45] <GigaFlow> Can someone help me with Easyrsa? #openvpn is kinda sleepy
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• 168[01:54:24] <dadinn> lwp, I unfortunately dropped off the channel, I can't see if something was written :(
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• 172[01:55:23] <lwp> I asked: how did you copy the Gnome+nonfree image to your boot media ?
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• 174[01:55:50] <dadinn> lwp, I used `dd`
• 175[01:56:42] <dadinn> i did it on MacOS, but it seems to boot fine, my issue is after login, it is not responsive, mouse is not working, no keypress is recognized
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• 178[01:57:19] <lwp> how do you login ? it should be automatic
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• 183[01:58:57] <lwp> do you see the screen titled "Main Menu" ?
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• 190[02:00:31] <dadinn> no, no menu, just the background
• 191[02:00:53] <lwp> no menu ever ? not right at boot even ?
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• 193[02:01:10] <dadinn> i thought you meant after the login screen
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• 195[02:01:28] <lwp> I don't know what you mean by a login screen ? what does it look like ?
• 196[02:01:30] <dadinn> i am using buster btw
• 197[02:02:05] <dadinn> sorry, just rebooted. yes i can see the main menu
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• 199[02:02:30] <dadinn> I am choosing the Debian GNU/Linux Live (kernel 4.19.0-8-amd64) option
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• 201[02:03:23] <lwp> good, yes, the top choice. it is probably a little slow while it loads from the USB, but for me it comes up to a gnome screen after a minute or 2 or 3
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• 204[02:04:48] <lwp> if that doesn't ever succeed, try going to a text shell with ctrl-alt-F3
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• 214[02:10:21] <dadinn> lwp, i see the debian logo scrolling, then it jumped to the gray background screen, I can see the mouse pointer, but nothing is responding
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• 216[02:11:14] <dadinn> ctrl+alt f3 doesn't respond either
• 217[02:11:29] <dadinn> the whole screen is frozen
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• 222[02:12:42] <dadinn> i can hear the fans though
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• 224[02:13:38] <dadinn> now the fans kinda stopped/silenced, but still no response
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• 226[02:15:38] <lwp> ctrl-alt-F3 should be easy for the machine, it is just a B/W text terminal, already logged in.
• 227[02:16:39] <lwp> if that doesn't even work, I dunno. I might take another look at how the USB was written.
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• 231[02:19:26] <dadinn> after selecting the first option in the Main Menu, I can se the following error poping up for a split second:
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• 234[02:20:22] <dadinn> [ 0.636761 ] ACPI Error: AE_NOT_FOUND, While resolving a named reference package element - TUID (20180810/dspkginit-414)
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• 236[02:20:53] <dadinn> then the login screen, then the plain background, non-responsive as before
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• 242[02:27:32] <lwp> I still don't know what is the "login screen". One suggestion I've seen, is this may be the stupid entropy generating thing taking way too long. options: (1) wait a LONG time, (2) mash on keyboard keys to provide extra entropy to see if it speed things up
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• 246[02:29:54] <lwp> On this fairly old Toshiba laptop I am running 10.3 live gnome on, the logo screen comes after 15 seconds, then after 30 more seconds, a black screen, then after 20 more seconds a gnome screen, with Activites, the date, and some icons at the top of the screen
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• 249[02:31:06] <sponix> lwp: Is this on a spinning disk boot ?
• 250[02:32:10] <lwp> no, debian-live 10.2 on a USB
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• 252[02:32:29] <sponix> lwp: and you consider that a slow or problem boot ?
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• 255[02:33:08] <lwp> I think it's OK, the other user dadinn is having problems, and I try to find explanations to him
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• 258[02:34:28] <dadinn> by login screen I meant the logo screen, which in case of a live image logs in to the default user account automatically, if i am correct
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• 260[02:35:26] <lwp> right, after the debian logo screen, I get a mostly empty gnome background, with those items along the top
• 261[02:35:32] <dadinn> lwp, why the extra entropy is needed? also I have tried with the standard image, and that one logs in automatically
• 262[02:36:14] <lwp> it the standard image (?) works, why not just use it ??
• 263[02:36:37] <dadinn> lwp, unfortunately I can't use the standard image, I would need dvorak layout, but with Thinkad P1 the wifi drivers are not working, so I can't install packages :(
• 264[02:37:21] <dadinn> I am trying to connect the ethernet cable, but not sure how to get it working :(
• 265[02:37:21] <lwp> !buster entropy
• 266[02:37:21] <dpkg> In Buster, stricter random number initialization can slow down booting on some computer models. See buster release notes replaced-url
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• 274[02:41:54] <ryouma> binutils no longer supported in stretch -- what is the severity of that security issue
• 275[02:42:12] <lwp> dadinn, from the "standard image" can you successfully get a text login at ctrl+alt+F3 ?
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• 277[02:44:15] <dadinn> lwp, have been pressing buttons for 5-10 minutes now, still nothing :/
• 278[02:44:41] <dadinn> lwp, let me try the standard image ctrl+alt+f3 command
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• 280[02:45:12] <wr> on the debian firewall anything better than the gufw GUI nowdays?
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• 282[02:46:07] <ryouma> i seem to recall that libdvd-pkg had a dpkg-reconfigure, which asked the question of whether to automatically upgrade the package it installs (it's one of those installer packages). i now what to chagne that, but dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg is not showing anything. what package might i be thinking of that i CAN configure?
• 283[02:46:39] <sney> ryouma: if I understand your binutils question, this ml reply from a debian developer may shed some light replaced-url
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• 286[02:47:42] <sney> wr: pretty much any firewall application is going to be a netfilter frontend/interface, so they are all the same firewall, really. but also: running a firewall on a desktop on a private network is rarely justified
• 287[02:47:48] <ryouma> sney: thank you. the questions are related because it seems libdvd-pkg uses binutils. i don't want a push of upstream to call anything in binutils.
• 288[02:48:17] <dadinn> lwp, ctrl+alt+f3-3-5-6 work fine in the standard image
• 289[02:48:26] <wr> sney, is the gufw any good?
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• 291[02:48:44] <sney> wr: it's a gui for managing netfilter. I'm sure it does the job
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• 294[02:48:50] <ryouma> why is it rarely justified?
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• 297[02:48:57] <lwp> dadinn: I would double check the download of the nonfree-live, and double-check the writing of the USB then.
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• 299[02:49:16] <ryouma> ufw is popular and i think maybe standard on ubuntu. another one that's popular and understantable becuase it is written in shell is arno-iptables-firewall
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• 301[02:49:24] <ryouma> gufw is a fe to ufw
• 302[02:49:34] <sney> because a private network would be behind a nat firewall, and that takes care of the vast majority of regular-people network threats
• 303[02:49:34] <clime> hello, do you use fedmsg in debian infrastructure?
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• 305[02:50:00] <ryouma> i wouldn't trust my router. maybe taht's out of ignorance but still.
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• 307[02:50:46] <lwp> dadinn: _maybe_ even try a different USB if available
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• 310[02:51:31] <sney> the first step of having good info security is to define your threat model. if you skip that step and just run firewalls and random things out of habit, then you might as well do nothing at all, for all of the actual protection you're getting
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• 317[02:52:37] <ryouma> well i trust debian to upgrade securely if i keep tabs on it. i don't trust myself to immedialy upgrade router firmware as it's more cumbersome.
• 318[02:52:47] <sney> but more on topic, ufw is a popular and allegedly-simple way to make ip/nf tables rules, and gufw is a gtk frontend for ufw, so it's probably perfectly good at the job it's designed to do. user literacy notwithstanding
• 319[02:52:51] <karlpinc> Frankly, nft is nice. The only reason why the other firewalls are out there is because the iptables syntax sucks.
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• 323[02:53:47] <karlpinc> Of course somebody will always want a gui. And the whole "zone" thing is "simple" for simple setups, but always seems to introduce complication for anything but cookie-cutter configs.
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• 326[02:54:45] <karlpinc> ryouma: I agree. Having to flash is a pain. And usually you don't know when you _should_ flash.
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• 328[02:55:59] <sney> tcp/ip has been unchanged for decades. routers rarely need upgrades except for specific features or to fix specific bugs, and even then, *usually* sane defaults keep you safe from attackers on the public interface
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• 334[02:57:48] <wr> sney, yes, did use ufw and then gufw but not sure if is my best option
• 335[02:57:57] <lwp> sney: but what's this IPv6 people keep talking about, then? Has that already been around decades too ? :(
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• 339[02:58:39] <sney> ipv6 was invented before I even started using linux
• 340[02:58:48] <joepublic> ipv6 has had a very long and successful failure period
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• 343[02:59:26] <sney> wr: are you missing some kind of functionality?
• 344[02:59:33] <wr> karlpinc, i don't know if it sucks, but i do know i suck on the iptables sintax always
• 345[03:00:08] <wr> sney, i guess not, just seeing my options if need to upgrade
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• 348[03:01:14] <sney> wr: if you want a better firewall, get a separate appliance. if you want to control netfilter better, learn iptables syntax. if you just want a gui firewall, there's really no difference between any of them, besides whatever parts of the interface make you comfortable
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• 355[03:04:22] <wr> sney, i probably just need a GUI fw on the debian now, but i would like to install and setup a hardware too in a near future
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• 382[03:16:01] <karlpinc> wr: The nft syntax is nice. (OpenBSD's pf is nice too.)
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• 401[03:23:27] <wr> karlpinc, the openbsd was the best i used have to see the pf
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• 406[03:24:49] <ryouma> if you use a firewall wrapper, it might help to choose one that shows you nicely the commands it will run. in prinicpe you can get those commands just by looking at the firewall itself, but it mighthelp to have the variable names etc.
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• 408[03:25:01] <ryouma> arno-iptables-firewall is good for that
• 409[03:25:19] <ryouma> ufw migth have a switch for that too
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• 420[03:28:13] <karlpinc> I like using linux/openbsd/whatever for firewalls. I feel there's more control and security so I tend to dedicate a box (or 2) for a firewall. It does not take much at all in the way of hardware. Of course anything will work -- if it works.
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• 424[03:29:10] <karlpinc> IMO having to debug your "easy to use" firewall by dumping lower-level commands defeats the point.
• 425[03:29:19] <sney> I spent a few years adminning mikrotik routers in production so that's what I use personally now, too. cheap and lightweight and quite powerful. not free software unfortunately, but who knows what the future holds
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• 429[03:30:46] <karlpinc> Trouble with the proprietary stuff is that they make up their own vocabularly so your skills don't transfer anywhere. So then you need to learn that, plus whatever firewall you want to run on your boxes.
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• 432[03:31:27] <karlpinc> (I am also fond of having tcpdump on my firewalls, to really tell what's happening.)
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• 441[03:35:46] <sney> of course your skills transfer. you might need to learn some syntax, but the hard part is understanding what you're doing with the network. same with any networking stuff, really. learn the principles with one vendor and it's no sweat to transfer to any other as long as you understand it
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• 443[03:36:09] <sney> the difference between "what's a vlan" and "how do I make a vlan with $interface"
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• 448[03:38:32] <karlpinc> sney: The networking's the same. But when they use an entirely different vocabularly than, say, SYN, ACK, SYN/ACK, you spend all your time mapping what they are saying (usually in a long-winded and hand-wavy way) onto actual network concepts.
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• 450[03:39:25] <sney> not IME but I guess my life isn't universal
• 451[03:39:36] <karlpinc> And end up guessing. And then have to poke it with a stick, and setup test cases, to tell what's really happening. (And testing is hard unless you've a ethernet tap and can really watch the traffic.)
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• 455[03:40:22] <karlpinc> sney: Maybe microtek does it "right", dunno.
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• 457[03:41:22] <sney> it has some idiosyncrasies but so does cisco ios (which I learned the principles on) and pf, iptables, random proprietary junk from who knows where, etc
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• 549[04:20:26] <karlpinc> sney: I find ios to be absolutely fine. But the random propetary junk....
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• 557[04:23:24] <ryouma> for quite a while iptables syntax kept changing. the firewalls provide a buffer for that.
• 558[04:23:31] <ryouma> no need to maintain yourself
• 559[04:23:39] <ryouma> (just my opinion)
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• 590[04:40:38] <jeddi8> I've put an Asus Xonar sound card (pcie) into my computer, and reboot, and it's showing up in /proc/asound/cards as 'USB-Audio - XONAR SOUND CARD' .... is it normal to be interpreted as a USB device? It's showing as a PCI bridge device in lspci. I got this because my external USB2 sound device has high latency problems.
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• 593[04:42:45] <sney> pci bridge device could indicate that there's a usb interface on that pcie card connecting to the actual audio controller
• 594[04:42:55] <sney> not the weirdest thing I've ever heard of
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• 596[04:43:50] <sney> having its own dedicated usb bus on the card would exempt it from usb latency problems on the rest of your system
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• 598[04:45:13] <jeddi> cool, thanks sney - i'd hoped that might be the case, and haven't gotten jackd working exclusively on it yet to test - but also couldn't find any comments from other owners using linux with this card.
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• 724[07:14:20] <dadinn> hi all
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• 726[07:14:57] <dadinn> I would need help with configuring the network, I am using debian-live-standard
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• 729[07:16:31] <dadinn> I think I have an ethernet cable connected (wifi will not work beause of drivers), I can't find instructions on how to configure the network interface
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• 731[07:17:46] <ansimita> !interfaces
• 732[07:17:46] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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• 741[07:25:16] <dadinn> i have tried the command `lspci -v` but for some reason it freezes the machine
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• 743[07:25:46] <dadinn> is that normal?
• 744[07:27:27] <dadinn> it seems to me that the Debian Live images for Buster have some serious problems :/
• 745[07:29:13] <diogenes_> dadinn, is it a gnome DE?
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• 747[07:31:38] <dadinn> diogenes_, gnome, standard, nothing works
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• 754[07:34:25] <diogenes_> dadinn, if it's gnome then i'm not surprised why it's freezing.
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• 757[07:37:12] <dadinn> diogenes_ I thought something being part of Debian "stable" meant it is stable in the sense, that it is stably working, not stably non-working
• 758[07:37:46] <pingfloyd> dadinn: stable refers to how it is released
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• 762[07:38:16] <dadinn> pingfloyd: fair enough
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• 766[07:44:28] <diogenes_> dadinn, lag has nothing to do with stability, it happend whe something is exhausting/wasting your system resources.
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• 769[07:45:50] <ZaZaGX> hi
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• 771[07:46:36] <dadinn> diogenes_: `lspci` freezing the system looks like a stability issue to me
• 772[07:47:36] <dadinn> diogenes_: but to be honest there might be some issue with this machine as Ubuntu Live image is not working either... it fails to load the Live Desktop :/
• 773[07:47:57] <diogenes_> dadinn, how much RAM?
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• 776[07:48:45] <ZaZaGX> dadinn, did you make the usb flash drive image right?
• 777[07:48:57] <dadinn> diogenes_: it is a Thinkpad P1, I think it has 64Gb RAM
• 778[07:49:12] <Metallica> 64 gigs is more than enough
• 779[07:49:20] <dadinn> ZaZaGX: usb flash yes
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• 781[07:50:13] <ZaZaGX> how did you make the image?
• 782[07:50:18] <dadinn> I had the issue with Debian before that the Gnome desktop fails to load... now it seems the same issue with Ubuntu... something was mentioned about Enthropy starvation
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• 784[07:50:39] <dadinn> I mean it was mentioned when I talked here earlier
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• 787[07:51:31] <dadinn> but I am not sure about the entrophy thing because the Debian Live Standard image loads fine/fast
• 788[07:51:44] <dadinn> Stardard CLI only I mean
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• 790[07:52:52] <dadinn> but my issue is that the Wifi card in this machine is not supported, so I don't have internet, and I wasn't able to configure the net over the ethernet cable
• 791[07:53:12] <dadinn> I am quite a networking noob :/
• 792[07:53:38] <ZaZaGX> yeah, the firmware isn't included in the debian iso
• 793[07:53:46] <ZaZaGX> for the wifi card
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• 796[07:55:40] <dadinn> ZaZaGX: it is worrying that Ubuntu Live Desktop freeses too... but I am fine with trying the Standard CLI only, just need to get the net working somehow over the ethernet cable, I don't know how to do it, and `lspci` freeses too... something is not OK :(
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• 798[07:56:06] <ZaZaGX> not sure
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• 802[07:56:33] <ZaZaGX> i was wondering how you made the image onto the usb flash drive?
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• 835[08:19:07] <dadinn> ZaZaGX: i used `dd` on MacOS
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• 837[08:19:35] <dadinn> ZaZaGX: could there be an issue with that?
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• 843[08:23:06] <ZaZaGX> seems fine
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• 865[08:33:32] <dadinn> it seems the issue had something to do with my graphics card: replaced-url
• 866[08:34:35] <dadinn> archwiki suggest setting it to discrete graphics might solve some issues, so tried it and now `lpsci -v` works and doesn't freese the machine :?
• 867[08:34:39] <dadinn> :/
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• 956[09:38:30] <ZaZaGX> hi
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• 966[09:46:53] <pasiz> ih
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• 968[09:47:05] <pasiz> hi, mean
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• 1006[10:28:17] <watom> yo, any reason 'iface eth0 inet6 dhcp' get an ipv6 but on the router there is no lease for that?
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• 1009[10:30:33] <ratrace> some other dhcp server in the network responded first?
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• 1011[10:32:12] <watom> that's interesting. i don't think there is one
• 1012[10:32:36] <watom> but the ip is kinda weird though
• 1013[10:33:12] <ratrace> watom: maybe it's automatic link-local one? fe80:: ?
• 1014[10:33:19] <watom> yeah it's that kind of thing
• 1015[10:33:23] <watom> so it failed to dhcp?
• 1016[10:33:31] <ratrace> that's not given by dhcp then. that's ipv6 link-local
• 1017[10:33:41] <ratrace> maybe your router doesn't do dhcp6?
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• 1020[10:35:10] <watom> ratrace sorry it was netfilter fault
• 1021[10:35:18] <watom> i just didn't notice the dhcp failed since i had an ipv6 ip
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• 1023[10:36:42] <ratrace> watom: dhcp requests and responses should be logged, so that's one way to diagnose
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• 1026[10:38:18] <davorin> good morning (o;
• 1027[10:38:32] <davorin> what is missing on my debian 10 system?
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• 1030[10:39:00] <davorin> when i do a "sudo locale-gen de_CH.UTF-8" it only generates: en_US.UTF-8
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• 1032[10:39:40] <at0m> davorin: dpkg-reconfigure localeconf
• 1033[10:39:59] <davorin> ah right...thanks...
• 1034[10:40:14] <at0m> davorin: then select the de_CH.UTF-8 to add
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• 1038[10:42:35] <davorin> hmm..probably need to restart psql to take effect...
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• 1064[11:00:11] <terr__> does anyone have any experience with installing Debian in a chromebook?
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• 1068[11:01:37] <scaela> Hi! I want to install debian using "netinst" instead of downloading a bigger image. I would need the non-free image, therefore I wanted to ask if anyone knows if there is a "non-free netinst" image? Thank you!
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• 1071[11:02:11] <ansimita> terr__: no but maybe check out replaced-url
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• 1076[11:07:45] <ZaZaGX> did you find the firmware iso?
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• 1081[11:10:40] <scaela> I found the netinst download but it's not clear to me if it is free or non-free. If it is free, WiFi wouldn't work for me for example
• 1082[11:10:46] <scaela> replaced-url
• 1083[11:11:04] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
• 1084[11:11:42] <ZaZaGX> are you looking for the netinst iso with firmware or dvd iso with firmware?
• 1085[11:12:31] <ansimita> scaela: replaced-url
• 1086[11:12:41] <scaela> I'm looking for the netinst iso with firmware, not for the cd/dvd iso
• 1087[11:13:16] <scaela> ah, allright, now i've seen it!
• 1088[11:13:24] <scaela> "netinst" installer CDs that also include firmware to make installation easier
• 1089[11:13:32] <scaela> thank you! :)
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• 1094[11:15:26] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
• 1095[11:15:38] <ZaZaGX> well here is the direct link
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• 1099[11:19:31] <scaela> Thank you ZazaGX just found the right iso too. Many thanx
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• 1199[12:17:20] <pitfd> hi everybody, is there a irc chat for thunderbird support?
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• 1251[13:07:12] <nkuttler> i use mkdir foo on a cifs mount and get a "mkdir: cannot create directory ‘foo’: No such file or directory" when i'm inside a directory that contains dots in the name. wtf. any ideas?
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• 1253[13:07:28] <nkuttler> works fine in the parent dir without dots in the name
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• 1261[13:12:23] <nkuttler> wtf one dot was some lookalike unicode char..
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• 1271[13:22:44] <mlots> nkuttler: maybe this would tell you something: strace mkdir blah
• 1272[13:23:04] <mlots> nkuttler: or dmesg -T|tail
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• 1289[13:36:15] <kodomo> Hi all! Is someone savvy with systemd bootup configuration, here? I'm having trouble placing knockd on my Raspian buster at a good point in the chain (it's always starting before eth0 is up and then failing)...
• 1290[13:37:37] <kodomo> The setup is console-only, no network manager (don't need the GUI features offered by it for obvious reasons ;) ) - and I've configured knockd to come After=network-online.target , WantedBy=multi-user.target .
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• 1292[13:38:13] <kodomo> Still, knockd comes up prior to the network actually being online... :-|
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• 1296[13:40:36] <bendem> kodomo, there is BindTo to which you can pass a device
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• 1300[13:41:33] <kodomo> bendem: thx - will check that out...
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• 1304[13:43:37] <bendem> kodomo, bindsto is stronger than requires in that if the unit you bind to enters inactive state, your own unit will stop too
• 1305[13:43:58] <bendem> which I'm guessing is what you want
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• 1307[13:46:38] <kodomo> bendem: it is, indeed... looking at the reference, I see BindToDevice - that's probably what you're referring to, right? (BindTo seems to bind to services/targets, if I get that right)
• 1308[13:47:05] <kodomo> I guess this then goes into the Unit section... will try...
• 1309[13:47:31] <bendem> I mean replaced-url
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• 1313[13:48:10] <bendem> and if network-online.target doesn't work, you can also identify the unit of the actual network device (systemctl list-units | grep '\.device')
• 1314[13:48:48] <bendem> bindtodevice is only for sockets, not services
• 1315[13:49:04] <triktrak> hello guys i cann't install nvidia driver someone help !!!
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• 1317[13:49:21] <kodomo> bendem: ah - ack - counterintuitive, methinks... checking...
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• 1319[13:49:40] <bendem> triktrak, what did you try, what happened?
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• 1324[13:52:08] <triktrak> when i try to install the driver he show me this message the nouveau kernel driver is currently in use by system
• 1325[13:52:32] <Trieste> hi, I'm trying to upgrade from stretch to buster, and `apt full-upgrade` reports it wants to remove "libmariadbclient18 mariadb-client-10.1 mariadb-client-core-10.1 mariadb-server-10.1 mariadb-server-core-10.1" - but I want to keep mariadb, should I install a metapackage beforehand? Or are these just unnecessary packages and I will keep mariadb?
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• 1327[13:54:22] <kodomo> bendem: put BindsTo=sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device into /etc/systemd/system/knockd.service - still get knockd[399]: could not open eth0: eth0: That device is not up *scratch*
• 1328[13:54:55] <kodomo> the sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device I got from the list command you posted...
• 1329[13:55:28] <bendem> kodomo, what does systemctl status your.device say?
• 1330[13:56:09] <kodomo> loaded, active (plugged) since Sun 2020-03-22 12:50:54 GMT
• 1331[13:56:15] <themill> Trieste: mariadb 10.3 (not 10.1) is in buster. Is it going to install that instead?
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• 1333[13:56:46] <kodomo> 3s before the log line, if I'm not mistaken :-|
• 1334[13:57:24] <kodomo> Mar 22 12:50:57 mmrpi4 knockd[399]: ...
• 1335[13:57:54] <kodomo> So the eth0 device is flagged as being up... but knockd says it is not...
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• 1337[13:58:01] <bendem> kodomo, can you check "systemd-analyze plot"? It should show you the order in which stuff happened
• 1338[13:58:07] <Trieste> themill: ah yes, it is - I overlooked that, thanks :)
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• 1341[13:58:30] <bendem> kodomo, yeah, if the interface is up and knockd doesn't see it, it's hard to do anything
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• 1343[14:00:47] <kodomo> bendem: right... I do see knockd.service starting before dhcpcd.service starts...
• 1344[14:01:01] <kodomo> ...I'll try to state After dhcpcd
• 1345[14:01:41] <bendem> kodomo, ah right, undo everything you did and try "systemctl enable systemd-networkd-wait-online"
• 1346[14:01:50] <bendem> unless it's already enabled
• 1347[14:02:01] <bendem> in which case, something is wrong
• 1348[14:02:39] <triktrak> bendem i have Linux parrot 5.4.0-4parrot1-amd64 #1 SMP Parrot 5.4.19-4parrot1 (2020-02-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux all is updated in upgrade and i have nvidia Gforce Gt 520 MX
• 1349[14:03:04] <bendem> triktrak, right, but what did you try? What tutorial did you follow?
• 1350[14:03:46] <bendem> also, parrot is not debian
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• 1352[14:04:52] <triktrak> <bendem> oooo i forget parrot is ubunte sorry
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• 1354[14:05:13] <bendem> it's not, but ok
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• 1360[14:10:09] <joepublic> debian is debian. everything else is not debian. simple enough.
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• 1363[14:10:51] <joepublic> "I need help with this cake" "What cake, we only make flour" "Yeah but this cake is mostly flour so I figured you would know"
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• 1365[14:10:59] <bendem> don't bother, he left
• 1366[14:11:10] <joepublic> just ranting as per normal, sorry
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• 1369[14:11:50] <bendem> don't be sorry, ranting helps
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• 1382[14:20:53] <han-solo> the patched pip from debian is causing some errors when installing packages
• 1383[14:20:55] <han-solo> replaced-url
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• 1386[14:22:35] <kodomo> bendem: did undo changes and enable systemctl enable systemd-networkd-wait-online ... knockd is not running... checking syslog
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• 1388[14:23:02] <kodomo> ...still the same...
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• 1391[14:25:06] <kodomo> bendem: actually, knockd moved forward to an earlier position in the boot process, now
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• 1395[14:26:18] <bendem> han-solo, did you read the debian bug? replaced-url
• 1396[14:26:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1398[14:26:47] <han-solo> bendem: not yet. Thanks
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• 1402[14:27:43] <han-solo> bendem: hrm, i am not running virtualenv util
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• 1404[14:28:05] <han-solo> let me see, if `venv` module runs with '--no-wheel' option
• 1405[14:28:09] <bendem> kodomo, are you using systemd or NetworkManager?
• 1406[14:28:18] <bendem> han-solo, do you actually have a problem?
• 1407[14:28:35] <han-solo> bendem: Yes
• 1408[14:28:48] <bendem> maybe start with that? What's your problem?
• 1409[14:28:49] <han-solo> debian buster
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• 1411[14:29:10] <bendem> that's not a problem, that's a distro and a version codename
• 1412[14:29:18] <han-solo> same bug, `python3 -m venv .env && .env/binpip install wrapt`
• 1413[14:29:26] <han-solo> .env/bin/pip
• 1414[14:30:02] <han-solo> bendem: i was saying which version i was am in...
• 1415[14:30:13] <kodomo> bendem: I didn't configure either expressedly (vanilla raspian buster) ; systemd is definitely installed ; network-manager is not ; so I conclude: systemd
• 1416[14:31:20] <han-solo> since you asked, here's a run of it # replaced-url
• 1417[14:32:15] <bendem> kodomo, pgrep systemd-network
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• 1419[14:32:29] <bendem> if that answers, you're running systemd-networkd
• 1420[14:32:57] <kodomo> bendem: no output
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• 1422[14:33:36] <bendem> heh
• 1423[14:33:36] <han-solo> bendem: here's the problem # replaced-url
• 1424[14:33:56] <bendem> han-solo, did you try the workaround mentionned in the bug you pasted? pip install --no-cache-dir
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• 1428[14:34:42] <han-solo> bendem: yes, that should fix it. But i was wondering, why there's no standard fix, like why is it copying *.whl into my env/share/python-wheels/
• 1429[14:34:58] <bendem> again, did you read the debian bug?
• 1430[14:35:06] <bendem> what's the last message you read on there?
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• 1433[14:35:38] <bendem> kodomo, weird
• 1434[14:35:49] <bendem> might be a raspbian thing
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• 1438[14:36:27] <kodomo> bendem: status systemd-networkd: loaded, inactive (dead)
• 1439[14:36:39] <kodomo> I'll try an 'enable'
• 1440[14:36:49] <bendem> I wouldn't
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• 1442[14:37:10] <bendem> having to competing software trying to setup network will not simplify things :P
• 1443[14:37:11] <kodomo> too late O:-)
• 1444[14:37:14] <bendem> two*
• 1445[14:37:20] <han-solo> bendem: Someone named RObin suggesting a patch
• 1446[14:37:32] <han-solo> Robin*
• 1447[14:37:40] <bendem> han-solo, and below that?
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• 1450[14:38:12] <han-solo> Virutalenv in unstable is almost a complete rewrite and so all the Debian
• 1451[14:38:13] <han-solo> customizations have been redone. I don't think this can happen now. If it
• 1452[14:38:13] <han-solo> does (with a virtualenv version 20.0.10 or higher) please file a new bug.
• 1453[14:38:17] <han-solo> please file a new bug ?
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• 1455[14:38:31] <kodomo> bendem: now systemd-networkd is loaded, active (running)
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• 1457[14:38:54] <bendem> han-solo, the complete sentence starts with "If it does", referring to the fact that it is fixed
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• 1459[14:39:10] <kodomo> knockd is loaded, failed (could not get IP address for eth0)
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• 1463[14:40:08] <han-solo> bendem: again, as i said. This is not `virtualenv` util i am using, i am using `python3 -m venv .env` and that `venv` is made usable by installing `python3-venv` package
• 1464[14:40:29] <kodomo> eth0 is plugged since... 1s before networkd, 3s before knockd, but networkd reports that eth0 gained carrier only 5s after knockd
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• 1466[14:40:57] <kodomo> /* no comment */
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• 1468[14:41:35] <bendem> kodomo, enabling systemd-networkd-wait-online should delay the network-online target until after dhcp happened
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• 1470[14:42:03] <bendem> if it doesn't, it's hard to tell why
• 1471[14:42:11] <kodomo> *lol* and I tried to be smart, stating After ssh ... but that pulled ssh forward instead of putting knockd backward *head->keyboard*
• 1472[14:42:33] <kodomo> bendem: will do...
• 1473[14:42:56] <bendem> you have done so already, I asked you to do it earlier
• 1474[14:43:24] <kodomo> bendem: indeed, I did...
• 1475[14:43:38] <bendem> well, I don't know then
• 1476[14:43:42] <kodomo> ...but it's loaded, inactive (dead)
• 1477[14:43:49] <kodomo> I'll try again...
• 1478[14:43:55] <kodomo> can't be worse :P
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• 1481[14:46:40] <kodomo> bendem: result's the same... -wait-online is inactive (dead)
• 1482[14:47:18] <bendem> that's normal, the service dies after it has done its job
• 1483[14:47:35] <kodomo> bendem: thx nonetheless do you figure #systemd will be able to help? My understanding is that these things are deemed the responsibility of the distros, rather than systemd...
• 1484[14:47:39] <bendem> but it should show in systemd-analyze
• 1485[14:47:58] <kodomo> bendem: will chech plot once more...
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• 1491[14:50:49] <kodomo> knockd now comes after dhcpcd, after networking.service start (but before networking.service started), after systemd-networkd.service
• 1492[14:51:02] <kodomo> Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see the -wait-online
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• 1494[14:51:31] <kodomo> ...I _could_ state After networking.service (if that waits for it to fully start up, rather than for it starting)
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• 1498[14:54:08] <kodomo> bendem: will I get banned, if I say sysVinit configuration was easier? xD ;)
• 1499[14:54:20] <petn-randall> kodomo: If you want a working internet connection, you should probably wait work network-online.target.
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• 1501[14:54:50] <petn-randall> kodomo: It might be easier, but it was impossible to wait for a working internet connection on sysvinit.
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• 1503[14:56:02] <kodomo> petn-randall: network-online.target I had in the config right from the start :)
• 1504[14:56:25] <han-solo> i cannot find the bug listed in replaced-url
• 1505[14:56:40] <kodomo> petn-randall: but you had init scripts you could link with a higher S number and insert a hacky sleep statement into ;P
• 1506[14:56:49] <kodomo> ...ok... let's not go into that discussion *lol*
• 1507[14:57:19] <petn-randall> kodomo: You can still do hacky solutions with systemd, and they're not any better or worse than before.
• 1508[14:57:50] <kodomo> petn-randall: either way... situation is, I've After=network-online.target dhcpcd.service
• 1509[14:57:53] <kodomo> BindsTo=sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device
• 1510[14:58:00] <kodomo> sorry After=network-online.target dhcpcd.service
• 1511[14:58:00] <kodomo> BindsTo=sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device
• 1512[14:58:13] <kodomo> sorry - wrong copy-paste-buffer...
• 1513[14:58:14] <petn-randall> kodomo: I recommend you ask in #systemd, they usually know their stuff.
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• 1515[14:58:33] <petn-randall> Since you're running Raspbian, their network setup is quite different from Debian's.
• 1516[14:58:33] <kodomo> network-online.target dhcpcd.service systemd-networkd.service
• 1517[14:58:43] <kodomo> That's more or less what bendem and I could find.
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• 1520[14:59:44] <kodomo> even checked BindsTo sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device
• 1521[15:00:10] <petn-randall> kodomo: You also want `WantedBy=network-online.target` in the install section.
• 1522[15:00:13] <kodomo> will try #systemd, but bracing for the systemd-distro ping pong (had that once before -_-' )
• 1523[15:00:38] <kodomo> petn-randall: have only multi-user.target, which I understand comes at a later stage...
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• 1525[15:01:48] <petn-randall> kodomo: And, that's something I shot myself in the foot just a couple of days ago, is you need to run `systemctl reenable <yourservice>` for the changes to take effect.
• 1526[15:02:28] <kodomo> petn-randall: that's an interesting one... just modifying /etc/systemd/system/knockd.service will not suffice?
• 1527[15:02:41] <petn-randall> Nope.
• 1528[15:02:51] <kodomo> ok... will try that, then...
• 1529[15:03:54] <han-solo> `systemctl daemon-reload` is advised after the changes in the service files, no ?
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• 1532[15:05:21] <bendem> I'm guessing he does a full reboot each time to test it
• 1533[15:05:24] <kodomo> petn-randall: would have been too nice... no change :-|
• 1534[15:05:35] <kodomo> bendem: you are guessing correct
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• 1537[15:05:52] <kodomo> I'd have found it... disturbing... if that were not enough...
• 1538[15:05:52] <bendem> so daemon-reload isn't going to do more :P
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• 1541[15:06:21] <bendem> without the thing in my hand to experiment, it's hard to tell
• 1542[15:06:51] <bendem> each time I've had networking problems, I had to restart the networking stack a thousand times
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• 1544[15:09:16] <bendem> had to work with old hp servers that take 10 minutes to boot, configuring it and its containers to talk to multiple vlans
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• 1546[15:09:19] <bendem> that was fun
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• 1548[15:10:31] <kodomo> replaced-url
• 1549[15:10:45] <kodomo> bendem: I can feel your pain ;)
• 1550[15:11:36] <kodomo> I - bit by bit - put in everything we discussed... but to no avail...
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• 1558[15:15:34] <Thedarkb> Hello, is there a way to install a package with debug symbols?
• 1559[15:15:44] <Thedarkb> I'm trying to chase a segfault in Discord and fix it myself.
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• 1561[15:16:01] <kodomo> Thedarkb: usually, these are the ...-dbg packages?
• 1562[15:16:06] <Thedarkb> Thank you.
• 1563[15:16:32] <Thedarkb> Hmmm, none for my package.
• 1564[15:16:44] <Thedarkb> I'll just build it manually.
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• 1568[15:17:16] <Hacksterix> Hello
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• 1631[15:53:51] <MartinNowak1994> after inserting a Debian install USB, it stuck after ENTERing "Graphic Install". when I removed the flash disk after 10 minuts, it started to write out errors .
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• 1637[15:55:01] <han-solo> maybe the installer was not properly written to the USB...
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• 1653[16:00:34] <kodomo> bendem: first takeaway: -wait-online.target needs to be (additionally) put in a Wants statement to make it meaningful - and thereby be started
• 1654[16:00:35] <blackest_mamba> for the past few weeks when I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I'm not getting any new updates for packages.
• 1655[16:00:44] <blackest_mamba> I don't see any errors, but I find it hard to believe there have been NO package updates in three weeks.
• 1656[16:00:51] <blackest_mamba> My sources list is totally default for buster (I'm on 10.3) so I don't see what I'm not getting any updates.
• 1657[16:01:29] <kodomo> bendem: second takeaway: systemd-networkd is a replacement for dhcpcd with an additional service for wait-online, it seems (so redundant, but not relevant w.r.t. ordering issue)
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• 1659[16:01:31] <blackest_mamba> replaced-url
• 1660[16:01:36] <blackest_mamba> that's my sources list
• 1661[16:01:45] <kodomo> bendem: issue ongoing... ;)
• 1662[16:03:01] <blackest_mamba> I do not have unattended-upgrades installed, so I don't know what is going on...
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• 1676[16:11:40] <kodomo> bendem: third takeaway: sleep hacks go into the Service section as 'ExecStartPre', now ;)
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• 1681[16:15:05] <bendem> sleep hacks are just sad
• 1682[16:15:40] <cstls> what the hell is a sleep hack
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• 1684[16:16:34] <bendem> sleep 5 # let's hope the service has started in less than 5 seconds
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• 1687[16:17:35] <ratrace> what's that for? what's the TL;DR of the issue here?
• 1688[16:18:25] <bendem> I'm not going to summarize the conversation, if you are interested, scroll up, if not, just don't worry about it
• 1689[16:20:04] <ratrace> I did, but I lost the thread. According to original question, all that's needed is After=network-online.target, and then if interfaces(5) is used, activate the ifupdown-wait-online.service which holds the target until it verifies IP availability.
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• 1691[16:20:19] <noahmg123> Ok, I'm getting a bit paranoid. My computer randomly slows down every so often and I check the panel in GNOME and I see a red circle. Is some process accessing the screen recording tool or something?
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• 1695[16:20:54] <noahmg123> Ok
• 1696[16:20:55] <noahmg123> wait
• 1697[16:21:02] <noahmg123> I'm an idiot
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• 1699[16:22:18] <noahmg123> I keep accidentally pressing the screen-record keyboard shortcut (crtl-alt-shift-r), when I mean to do (ctrl-shift-r). I thought it wasn't doing anything.
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• 1702[16:24:32] <rrn> I am trying to boot into a new Debian installation, but after GNU Grub tries to load the one and only default kernel, I get: ``ACPI: SPCR Unexpected SPCR Access Width. Defaulting To Byte Size.''
• 1703[16:24:53] <rrn> also, one of the status lights (dark orange) on the workstation's control panel is blinking
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• 1705[16:25:21] <noahmg123> rrn: and no other kernel messages after that?
• 1706[16:25:22] <rrn> I've tried setting the BIOS setting for power to both OS Control and Maximum Performance
• 1707[16:25:27] <ratrace> acpi, the arch-nemesis of linux...
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• 1709[16:25:43] <rrn> noahmg123: nothing, though it apparently does reboot by itself after some number of minutes
• 1710[16:25:58] <rrn> noahmg123: and when it reboots, the BIOS does display that a fatal error occurred at last boot
• 1711[16:26:19] <noahmg123> rrn: what computer?
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• 1714[16:26:32] <rrn> noahmg123: Dell Poweredge T310
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• 1716[16:27:12] <rrn> noahmg123: Should I try UEFI?
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• 1718[16:27:52] <noahmg123> do you have any other OS installed on the machine?
• 1719[16:28:37] <rrn> noahmg123: no, just software RAID-1 of 2 x SATA/SAS HDDs
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• 1721[16:29:43] <rrn> noahmg123: both onboard NICs apparently are borked, if that would affect anything (had to add a PCIe one for networking)
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• 1723[16:29:59] <kodomo> bendem: I agree - but it seems that ...-wait-online.target does come up rather at the start of the relevant services than the actual configuration of interfaces in the Debian/raspian setup
• 1724[16:30:04] <noahmg123> Ah. I'm not familiar with RAID. I think this question though would be better served in #linux, as it is more for general Linux stuff
• 1725[16:30:07] <rrn> noahmg123: Debian installer had no such issues
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• 1727[16:30:15] <noahmg123> ##linux, sorry
• 1728[16:30:25] <noahmg123> two hash symbols
• 1729[16:30:31] <rrn> noahmg123: Really? Software RAID could be at fault here?
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• 1731[16:30:48] <kodomo> bendem: We're just testing whether networkd has the same problem
• 1732[16:31:06] <vanruxxx> hey somebody here that knows his way around configuring jack
• 1733[16:31:26] <ratrace> rrn: probably not
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• 1735[16:31:37] <rrn> ratrace: Should I try UEFI?
• 1736[16:31:43] <noahmg123> rrn: no, I said I am not familiar with RAID, I have no idea if it's the issue. But it's definitely a factor of the setup and I probably cannot be of much use here.
• 1737[16:32:24] <vanruxxx> try to start jack with qjackctl ! its telling me that i cant start as a client
• 1738[16:32:45] <ratrace> rrn: I don't see why that would change anything, apparently the problem is with acpi, which is the usual arch-nemesis of linux on laptops...
• 1739[16:32:47] <vanruxxx> qjack was started with root permission from comand line
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• 1742[16:33:09] <rrn> ratrace: this is a workstation...and I have tried two different power settings in the BIOS...
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• 1749[16:35:28] <kodomo> bendem: using networkd, knockd comes up correctly - so something's handled differently in -wait-online.target for it...
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• 1753[16:36:12] <ratrace> rrn: do you have "quiet" in your kernel command line? (/etc/default/grub -> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT)
• 1754[16:36:28] <kodomo> bendem: or it's faster in ipv4 aquisition...
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• 1758[16:37:28] <rrn> ratrace: let me check the boot options in GNU GRUB
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• 1762[16:37:34] <ratrace> rrn: or yeah, you can't see that as this is right after installation. enter the grub menu with 'e', use arrow keys to locate the "linux /vmlinuz...." line and see if there's "quiet" in it, if it is, remove just the word "quiet" and continue with F10
• 1763[16:38:24] <ratrace> rrn: googling for that acpi error message verbatim seems to suggest it's not a hard error at all, so there could be something else happening after it
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• 1767[16:41:54] <rrn> ratrace: aha
• 1768[16:42:26] <rrn> ratrace: so I did as you said, removing that apparent boot argument (``quiet''), and then booted with F10
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• 1770[16:42:54] <rrn> ratrace: bunch of msgs---that ACPI error is not there, so it probably printed before, out of view
• 1771[16:43:44] <rrn> ratrace: it stops at USB stuff, apparently at the mouse discovery and initialization
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• 1773[16:45:32] <rrn> noahmg123: note that apparently it's not an ACPI issue
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• 1778[16:46:50] <ratrace> rrn: most likely problem is inability to switch to graphical mode. can you try again, but this time add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to that same kernel line where you removed quiet?
• 1779[16:47:21] <rrn> ratrace: simply append at the end? Does the order of these arguments matter?
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• 1784[16:48:55] <rrn> ratrace: by the way, I am using the onboard graphics currently, though I have added a graphics card that I intend to switch over to later
• 1785[16:51:20] <ratrace> rrn: at the end is ok, the order doesn't matter unless you repeat the sme key=value pair
• 1786[16:51:43] <ratrace> uh... unless you add different values for the sam key
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• 1789[16:52:14] <rrn> ratrace: I see, I'll try now.
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• 1799[16:58:52] <rrn> ratrace: Ok, now it's pretty much the same thing, except that it now halts at the USB sound card discovery/initialization stage.
• 1800[17:00:05] <rrn> ratrace: Should I try removing the graphics card?
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• 1813[17:05:25] <ratrace> rrn: oh... well do try to remove it, but multi-user.target shouldn't be concerned with graphical mode
• 1814[17:05:45] <rrn> ratrace: Ok, is there anything else I should do, besides removing the card?
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• 1816[17:06:02] <rrn> ratrace: set from BIOS to UEFI maybe?
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• 1824[17:11:37] <rrn> ratrace: I tried UEFI---it does not recognize either HDD---so I set back to BIOS
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• 1829[17:12:12] <rrn> ratrace: another condition of note is that the BIOS does test the RAM and does detect that the first DIMM has failed, and does disable it, at every boot
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• 1842[17:16:11] <ratrace> rrn: that's indicative of a bigger issue indeed. btw, you can't switch between bios (legacy) boot and uefi unless the system is installed for BOTH (has ESP _and_ a bios_grub partition)
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• 1844[17:17:26] <cecchini> good day I am Italian I have only one question. Debian 10 buster have TRIM ssd to default?
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• 1853[17:23:20] <dukenukum1984> hi
• 1854[17:23:28] <rrn> ratrace: Ok, I did both (card removal and failed RAM DIMM removal), and now it boots.
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• 1860[17:26:48] <DebianHelp2020> Could someone please tell me how to repair "/usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: no version information available" on debian 8? I'd really like to avoid reinstalling if possible.
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• 1863[17:27:15] <DebianHelp2020> A failed libssl upgrade has resulted in this current state. I'd like to just go back to how it was
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• 1870[17:32:19] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, does /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 exist? if so, what does `file` have to say about it?
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• 1875[17:34:37] <DebianHelp2020> GNU\colossus /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=d3a01321158a1126cc140b451b955d00f388665c, not stripped
• 1876[17:35:39] <ayekat> what program is giving you that error?
• 1877[17:35:51] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, do you have a libcrypto.so.1.0.0 in /usr, too?
• 1878[17:36:01] <ayekat> stuff in /usr/local is not installed by distro packages, so how did you install it?
• 1879[17:37:04] <DebianHelp2020> ayekat I followed this guide replaced-url
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• 1881[17:38:25] <DebianHelp2020> @ayekat anything that needs crypto seems to give this error now, latest example is mumble server
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• 1884[17:38:43] <ayekat> "the packaged versions of openssl and libssl-dev are missing header information required to build Python 3.7+" - and the solution is to install openssl 1.0??? O_o
• 1885[17:38:46] <ayekat> that seems rather wrong
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• 1887[17:39:35] <cecchini> I am Italian I have only one question. Debian 10 buster have TRIM ssd to default?
• 1888[17:39:37] <DebianHelp2020> I ended up using venv for python now I'd just like to get my openssl back to normal
• 1889[17:40:23] <ayekat> DebianHelp2020: I don't know what else you've got in your /usr/local (ideally nothing at all), but I'd suggest getting rid of the openssl-1.0 installed there
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• 1892[17:41:54] <ayekat> (hmm... debian web package search doesn't give me anything for openssl1.0, though there is at least a source package...)
• 1893[17:42:16] <DebianHelp2020> there are a few folders in there, the /usr/local/lib looks like its all python and openssl stuff
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• 1895[17:42:55] <DebianHelp2020> The guide had me build and install something without using debian packages... it was a mistake I'm sure
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• 1902[17:44:37] <melkor> The debian vim seems to behave much differently than the centos/fedora/ubuntu versions.
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• 1907[17:45:37] <DebianHelp2020> @ayekat should I just erase that whole folder?
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• 1909[17:46:11] <melkor> ah hah, I saw the vim-tiny and though that would be the same one.
• 1910[17:46:16] <ayekat> DebianHelp2020: honestly, I am probably the wrong person to tell you what you "should" do, since my opinion is that /usr/local shouldn't exist at all
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• 1912[17:46:44] <ayekat> and personally, I generally keep it clean from everything, and package everything - but that's my personal workflow
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• 1914[17:48:06] <ayekat> there may be reasons to install unpackaged stuff in /usr/local, but I guess as soon as you start hitting issues with openssl, it's the moment to turn back and undo everything you've done there :-)
• 1915[17:48:53] <DebianHelp2020> I'll try erasing that folder and see if it works
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• 1920[17:49:34] <DebianHelp2020> I think that fixed it, ayekat!
• 1921[17:49:40] <DebianHelp2020> Thank you
• 1922[17:50:09] <ayekat> nice ^^
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• 1925[17:50:45] <DebianHelp2020> although.... if I type openssl it says "openssl: symbol lookup error: openssl: undefined symbol: i2d_DHxparams" now
• 1926[17:50:51] <DebianHelp2020> but the murmurd error is gone at least
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• 1937[17:54:15] <DebianHelp2020> Ok yeah, GNU\colossus now I have "openssl: symbol lookup error: openssl: undefined symbol: i2d_DHxparams" error when I try to run an openssl test
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• 1941[17:56:00] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, try running `ldconfig` as root
• 1942[17:56:18] <DebianHelp2020> GNU\colossus no output
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• 1944[17:56:55] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, now try your openssl test again
• 1945[17:57:10] <DebianHelp2020> GNU\colossus Same error
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• 1948[17:57:46] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, what does `type openssl` report?
• 1949[17:57:47] <DammitJim> I have a Debian VM with Raid 1 on ESXi
• 1950[17:58:04] <DammitJim> unfortunately 1 of the datastores where this VM is hosted fllled up
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• 1952[17:58:21] <DammitJim> I was thinking I could delete a hard drive and since the VM has raid, it should "survive"
• 1953[17:58:36] <DammitJim> what are your thoughts on that? I'm trying to consolidate the snapshot that caused this problem
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• 1957[17:59:57] <GNU\colossus> DammitJim, your Debian host has a mdadm-managed RAID1, that consists of two virtual disks?
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• 1959[18:00:10] <GNU\colossus> DammitJim, can you nopaste the content of /proc/mdstat from that host somewhere?
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• 1961[18:00:37] <DammitJim> yes GNU\colossus
• 1962[18:01:02] <DammitJim> GNU\colossus, unfortunately the server is not responsive at this time (can't ssh nor open the console on vmware)
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• 1965[18:01:53] <GNU\colossus> DammitJim, if you properly installed the bootloader stage1 on both disks, yanking either should make the host boot from the other "leg" of the RAID1
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• 1969[18:02:51] <DammitJim> cool, thanks GNU\colossus
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• 1971[18:02:55] <DammitJim> I need to learn about this
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• 1974[18:03:35] <rrn> ratrace: Ok, thanks.
• 1975[18:03:44] <rrn> DebianHelp2020: I'm from NH as well (Hollis).
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• 1978[18:04:01] <rrn> cstls: good to see ME people
• 1979[18:04:02] <DebianHelp2020> GNU\colossus openssl is hashed (/usr/local/bin/openssl)
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• 1981[18:04:19] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, can you re-run your openssl test using /usr/bin/openssl ?
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• 1983[18:04:24] <GNU\colossus> that should work, I hope
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• 1986[18:04:41] <cstls> hey rrn
• 1987[18:04:45] <GNU\colossus> if it does, just nuke /usr/local/bin/openssl - your system's openssl install _should_ be fine.
• 1988[18:04:50] <cstls> where you at?
• 1989[18:05:12] <DebianHelp2020> hey rrn! I'll try that now colossus
• 1990[18:05:16] <cstls> you from maine?
• 1991[18:05:23] <rrn> cstls: no, NH
• 1992[18:05:41] <cstls> ahh nice
• 1993[18:05:48] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, after deleting /usr/local/bin/openssl, you might need to run `hash -r` in your current shell sessions
• 1994[18:06:01] <rrn> cstls: never lived there---instead, VT, NH, and MA
• 1995[18:06:33] <DebianHelp2020> That fixed everything colossus, thank you! So it was trying to use my incorrectly installed version and now with that bin gone its falling back on my system version.
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• 1997[18:06:42] <GNU\colossus> DebianHelp2020, yup
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• 1999[18:06:46] <cstls> yeah, i'm in portland. but spent lots of time in nh and ma. just.. not anymore. hah.
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• 2021[18:13:19] <salkin-mada> Heeey. How can I get neovim 0.4.3 on Debian buster(stable)? or should i just move to sid. (have this problem quite often where apps i use requires a package version not in the buster apt)
• 2022[18:13:33] <annadane> ,v neovim
• 2023[18:13:34] <judd> Package: neovim on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1.7-4+deb9u1; stretch-security: 0.1.7-4+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 0.3.4-3~bpo9+1; buster: 0.3.4-3; bullseye: 0.4.3-3; sid: 0.4.3-3
• 2024[18:13:49] <annadane> neovim is simple enough to compile it yourself
• 2025[18:13:59] <annadane> check also if there's a flatpak/appimage
• 2026[18:14:10] <salkin-mada> check. thanks
• 2027[18:14:13] <annadane> don't "just move to sid" if you want a reliable machine
• 2028[18:14:32] <salkin-mada> this indeed i do :)
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• 2031[18:15:09] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2032[18:15:38] <salkin-mada> shoudl i remove or puge neovim from the apt before getting the neovim via appimage/flatpack or compile myself?
• 2033[18:15:47] <salkin-mada> sorry. remove or purge
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• 2040[18:20:10] <MrLawrence> Hello guys. I am trying to install a prop. Nvidia driver and I need kernel sources. However the kernel I'm running (default one w/ distro) has no sources in the repositories... what is going on?
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• 2042[18:20:30] <MrLawrence> uname -r reports: 4.9.0-4 but there is only -11 and -12
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• 2057[18:29:34] <annadane> salkin-mada, no i don't think you have to
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• 2059[18:29:47] <annadane> it may be redundant to keep both if you only plan to use one
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• 2061[18:29:55] <salkin-mada> okay thanks annadane:
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• 2063[18:31:15] <annadane> generally unless you know configuration file formats have changed between versions you can leave it the same, i don't purge anything generally
• 2064[18:31:33] <annadane> much less work if you decide to reinstall something later
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• 2072[18:36:12] <salkin-mada> i see. thanks
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• 2076[18:36:42] <salkin-mada> will just remove then :)
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• 2078[18:37:35] <salkin-mada> and you where completely right about nvim. the only dep i needed was libtool-bin and then compiling was a no brainer
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• 2096[18:43:23] <annadane> i guess you also can possibly install stuff from the nixos package manager, flatpaks can tend to lag behind sometimes
• 2097[18:43:31] <annadane> though i've not done it
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• 2358[21:37:24] <lordmango> how exactly does one go about configuring the keyboard. trying to map and enable my screen brightness control, spent some time googling and went down a deep rabbit hole with XKB among others, just need the right vocab to start searching efficiently 8)
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• 2364[21:43:35] <karlpinc> I usually poke the desktop gui with a stick -- somewhere in the "system settings"...
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• 2366[21:44:40] <lordmango> karlpinc i'm not using gui
• 2367[21:44:42] <karlpinc> Otherwise, maybe setxkbmap?
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• 2369[21:45:22] <GNU-FSF-Soldier> 1: Try figure out what commands set/change brightness 2: Use xev xdotool and xbindkeys to map those to button sequences
• 2370[21:45:25] <sney> 'xev' is also a useful utility for finding out the keycode of the button you're trying to assign, and/or determine if the keypress is even registering
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• 2375[21:49:22] <GNU-FSF-Soldier> xbindkeys comes with some examples so you can hack away until you figure it out if you cant find direct instructions
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• 2382[21:52:01] <lordmango> im aware of xev and i can see the key is correctly bound to XF86MonBrightnessUp/Down I basically just need to know how to point my key to effect screen brightness, will xbindkeys be helpfull for this
• 2383[21:52:39] <nvz> no, it will not
• 2384[21:52:57] <nvz> the brightness is typically a hardware thing not handled by software
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• 2387[21:53:21] <nvz> if you were to know a command that worked to adjust the brightness on your system you could bind that keysym to that command
• 2388[21:53:40] <nvz> lordmango: what kind of machine is it?
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• 2390[21:54:27] <nvz> I actually just realized last night that when I press the settings key on my machine, it causes the brightness keys to just send that keysym and not actually adjust the brightness
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• 2392[21:54:54] <GNU-FSF-Soldier> if the key is correctly bound but not affecting brightness xbindkeys wont fix that - but check it out as it is super useful, great for mouse macros like changing volume with mouse buttons.
• 2393[21:56:22] <lordmango> nvz macbook pro 11,1
• 2394[21:56:31] <nvz> also imho, triggerhappy (in debian) and antimicro (not in debian) are easier to use than xbindkeys
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• 2398[21:58:44] <nvz> lordmango: cat /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
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• 2401[21:59:16] <lordmango> nvz 1388
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• 2403[21:59:43] <nvz> lordmango: now as root try turn that down like by 25-50% see if it changes
• 2404[22:00:09] <nvz> lordmango: echo "1000" > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
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• 2406[22:00:31] <nvz> or set it to 700 or something lower enough you will notice it going down
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• 2410[22:02:19] <lordmango> yeah, great - that's it - so I presume a bash script can do the magic i need
• 2411[22:03:26] <lordmango> or is there an quicker solution
• 2412[22:03:45] <nvz> I was just working on that.. unless you think you can manage
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• 2414[22:05:16] <lordmango> nvz if you can help me I'll be truly greatful - I'm fairly new to this :\
• 2415[22:06:05] <nvz> its fairly simple script.. gimme a sec
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• 2418[22:09:11] <nvz> lordmango: is typically a hardware thing not handled by software
• 2419[22:09:15] <nvz> erm
• 2420[22:09:27] <nvz> lordmango: replaced-url
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• 2422[22:10:03] <nvz> that is the most basic version, you can set the increment var to change how much it increases/decreases by and call the script with "up" or "dn" to raise/lower the brighness
• 2423[22:10:33] <lordmango> nvz faith restored - i use to run arch and the community fucking sucks - stuff like helping people with stuff like this and actually writing scripts for them seems beneath them, thanks alot, will check it out real quick
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• 2425[22:10:35] <nvz> issues include that it does not check the values, define a min/max range and it uses pkexec which will require authentication unless configured to allow it
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• 2428[22:11:28] <nvz> for most ideal usage you'd wanna figure out what the min/max values are and have the script keep within range, and make a sudo/polkit exception for this script
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• 2433[22:14:09] <nvz> though there are also utilities out there for this that may be able to already address those issues if they work with your machine
• 2434[22:14:19] <nvz> though I don't offhand know what they are
• 2435[22:14:33] <nvz> xbacklight is all I know of
• 2436[22:14:43] <nvz> and I'd think if that worked your keys would already be working
• 2437[22:14:50] <lordmango> thanks nvz I'll look into it
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• 2439[22:15:08] <nvz> lordmango: this all leads to the next important question which is what DE you use
• 2440[22:15:32] <lordmango> i'm using dwm
• 2441[22:16:00] <nvz> ah.. well then you probably don't have a hotkey system
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• 2443[22:16:19] <nvz> perhaps install triggerhappy, it runs below the X level, is fairly easy to setup..
• 2444[22:16:27] <nvz> being outside X, the hotkeys work globally
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• 2446[22:16:57] <nvz> then you'd need only bind the keysym in triggerhappy to the xbacklight if that command works
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• 2449[22:19:22] <lordmango> doesnt seem like xbacklight command works
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• 2451[22:19:40] <nvz> well at least you found a method that DOES work
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• 2453[22:19:48] <nvz> just need root perms to adjust sysfs
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• 2455[22:20:11] <nvz> though there is probably a wnother way around that too
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• 2457[22:20:34] <nvz> never tried setting perms on a sysfs file before.. :P
• 2458[22:20:57] <nvz> but I'm willing to bet a udev rule, sudoers entry, polkit entry, or such would all suffice
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• 2461[22:24:02] <lordmango> haha, yeah i'm gonna try it via sudoers entry and see if that works
• 2462[22:24:07] <GNU-FSF-Soldier> if xbacklight is a terminal application perhaps installing that would be worth a try
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• 2467[22:25:07] <puppet> somehey hello im having sme trouble installin and run vbox on kali some help
• 2468[22:25:08] <puppet> ?
• 2469[22:25:18] <nvz> !kali
• 2470[22:25:18] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2471[22:25:46] <puppet> thanks
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• 2474[22:27:19] <lordmango> GNU-FSF-Soldier xbacklight indeed terminal app - works like a charm, I'm rather opting for that in conjunction with triggerhappy
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• 2476[22:27:30] <nvz> lordmango: replaced-url
• 2477[22:27:57] <nvz> lordmango: I thought you had said that xbacklight didnt work
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• 2481[22:28:33] <nvz> xbacklight uses a RANDR extension and probably wouldnt need root perms
• 2482[22:28:47] <lordmango> nvz error on my side, sorry - should have first installed
• 2483[22:29:20] <nvz> lordmango: ah ok, then all you need is that and a hotkey daemon, you prob dont need to worry about sudo/polkit/udev
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• 2485[22:31:45] <lordmango> nvz yeah I'm reading the trigger happy man page now to see how to set it up
• 2486[22:31:47] <nvz> triggerhappy (thd) is nice cause it works below the X level, which means hotkeys work even in the virtual consoles and without being logged in.. it is easy to configure, and it supports different modes/profiles with the ability to toggle between them
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• 2489[22:32:36] <lordmango> and i like the minimal approach, really lightweight
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