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34 [00:21:56] <Lupulo> hi
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40 [00:25:14] <rant> Lupulo: not yet, but we're working on
it
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44 [00:28:10] <Lupulo> @rant, ok sure it will finish well :-)
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46 [00:28:57] <Lupulo> finizh is the idea
47 [00:29:16] <Lupulo> < sleep
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174 [02:00:55] <Abdullah> select-editor isn't working. I had
been using vim binary which I compiled from source and set it as
editor. Now when I run select-editor, it returns nothing.
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189 [02:06:14] <LtL> Abdullah: probably because select-editor
does not know about self-compiled binaries, only package manager
installed editors. thats my guess
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195 [02:14:07] <OerHeks> If your editor isn't on the list,
update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor editor /usr/bin/{your
editor} ## then run: update-alternatives --config editor
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197 [02:14:14] <OerHeks>
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264 [03:14:20] <ZaZaGX> ahoy
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269 [03:18:22] <srukle> ahoy
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272 [03:19:57] <randomthing> Hi there I'm having difficulty
with setting up VLANS using systemd/networkd
273 [03:20:14] <randomthing> most of the vlan netdev files seem
to work, but one of them just comes up as rename5 ?
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275 [03:21:38] <randomthing> I was wondering if someone could
help
276 [03:21:42] <rant> ZaZaGX: avast ye scallywag, shiver me
timbers!
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280 [03:22:40] <rant> randomthing: you may be better served in
the systemd channel or referencing the docks on freedesktop.org as
networkd is disabled by default on debian and not very widely used
281 [03:23:01] <rant> meh.. damn pirate lingo had me saying
"docks" instead of "docs" :P
282 [03:23:11] <randomthing>
replaced-url
283 [03:23:25] <randomthing> rant that requires me registering an
account with freenode. :(
284 [03:24:01] <rant> thats probably a wise idea regardless, but
I see your point
285 [03:24:31] <rant> I was just pointing out that you're
not real likely to get support on a feature disabled in debian in
this channel at this hour on a sunday
286 [03:25:21] <rant> I'd help if I had any f'n clue..
but I don't know anything about networkd other than it recently
had a critical security flaw that was rather irrelevant to us
because we disable it
287 [03:27:17] <ZaZaGX> rant, are you a pirate?
288 [03:27:37] <rant> ZaZaGX: no, but you're the one who
started with the pirate lingo
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290 [03:30:59] <ZaZaGX>
replaced-url
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292 [03:31:26] <ZaZaGX> i installed the driver, but i can't
get the GUI to pop up with the wifi adapter when i pop it in
293 [03:31:59] <phogg> what GUI?
294 [03:32:19] <rant> ZaZaGX: yes, what GUI?
295 [03:32:31] <ZaZaGX> the network where you click to connect to
the internet
296 [03:32:40] <rant> ZaZaGX: and the driver is part of the
kernel, what you probably installed was firmware
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298 [03:32:50] <ZaZaGX> ohh
299 [03:33:40] <rant> ZaZaGX: do you have other means of network
connectivity on this machine?
300 [03:33:59] <ZaZaGX> yes i do
301 [03:34:23] <ZaZaGX> i have a wifi card built inside my
laptop, it works
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303 [03:34:49] <rant> ZaZaGX: then unplug the adapter, plug it
back in and run the command
304 [03:35:07] <rant> (lsusb;dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc termbin.com
9999
305 [03:35:22] <rant> or even
306 [03:35:28] <rant> (lsmod;lsusb;dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc
termbin.com 9999
307 [03:36:09] <rant> you'd need to run that as root or add
sudo in front of dmesg
308 [03:36:15] <ZaZaGX> ok
309 [03:36:16] <rant> (lsmod;lsusb;sudo dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc
termbin.com 9999
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313 [03:37:53] <ZaZaGX> # (lsmod;lsusb;sudo dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc
termbin.com 9999
314 [03:37:54] <ZaZaGX>
replaced-url
315 [03:38:02] <rant> its rare I see a driver with that many
aliases and only one firmware :P
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317 [03:39:02] <ZaZaGX> so, it'll work? i just need to use
the command line?
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320 [03:39:23] <ZaZaGX> it just works in Kali Linux OS
321 [03:39:34] <rant> ZaZaGX: well that ID is aliased in the
rt2800usb driver, however the driver didnt load according to lsmod..
so try loading it manually
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323 [03:39:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo modprobe rt2800usb
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325 [03:39:54] <ZaZaGX> # (lsmod;lsusb;sudo dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc
termbin.com 9999
326 [03:39:58] <ZaZaGX> ops
327 [03:40:17] <ZaZaGX> okay i did that
328 [03:40:27] <rant> did it return any messages?
329 [03:40:30] <ZaZaGX> nope
330 [03:40:46] <ZaZaGX> i copied and pasted the command as su
331 [03:41:06] <ZaZaGX> whoa, it worked
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333 [03:41:14] <rant> yeah well thats a small problem
334 [03:41:28] <rant> for some reason the kernel isnt auto
loading the driver when you plug it in
335 [03:41:36] <rant> and it should
336 [03:41:42] <ZaZaGX> the GUI shows the wifi adapter now
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339 [03:41:56] <rant> yeah, but you still have the problem of it
not autoloading the driver when you connect it
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341 [03:42:34] <ZaZaGX> hmm
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343 [03:42:50] <ZaZaGX> i plugged it sereval times. it works
344 [03:42:58] <ZaZaGX> will it work when i restart it?
345 [03:42:59] <rant> idk why it'd be doing that (or NOT
doing that) but only ways I can think to address it with my
knowledge, is either simply via adding the driver to /etc/modules so
it loads automatically at boot, or via some udev rule and a script
346 [03:43:06] <rant> ZaZaGX: probably not, why I dont know
347 [03:43:34] <rant> ZaZaGX: the way it works is, the kernel is
suppose to lookup any device plugged in and load the driver
automatically, it didnt for some reason
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351 [03:44:10] <rant> ZaZaGX: there would be no real harm to just
adding rt2800usb to /etc/modules which would assure it will work
352 [03:44:33] <rant> it'd just cause the driver to load at
boot and be loaded all the time.. the cost would be marginal memory
footprint
353 [03:45:19] <rant> thats assuming /etc/modules still does what
I think it does.. heh.. a lot of my knowledge predates Linux 4.x and
systemd
354 [03:45:41] <rant> which have changed things quite a bit :D
355 [03:46:12] <rant> I am assuming since /etc/modules still
exists on my buster system that it still works
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357 [03:46:25] <rant> I haven't had cause to use it in ages
358 [03:46:53] <ZaZaGX> do i use vi?
359 [03:47:02] <rant> I wouldn't but you could, sure..
360 [03:47:10] <ZaZaGX> how would you do it than?
361 [03:47:32] <rant> I'd just use echo for this.. but
I'm a vi* hater.. so I'd use nano if it were warrented..
or something else
362 [03:47:45] <rant> echo "rt2800usb" >>
/etc/modules
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364 [03:47:56] <rant> to add something simple like that to a
file, echo is way simpler
365 [03:48:27] <ZaZaGX> oh i
366 [03:48:28] <ZaZaGX> c
367 [03:48:32] <ZaZaGX> i should restart it
368 [03:48:36] <ZaZaGX> ttyl
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370 [03:48:41] <rant> ZaZaGX: alright
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374 [03:49:56] <ZaZaGX> bummer, it doesn't work
375 [03:50:02] <rant> o.O
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378 [03:50:12] <rant> ZaZaGX: lsmod | grep 2800
379 [03:50:23] <ZaZaGX> even when i unplugged it and plug it in
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381 [03:50:37] <rant> or lsmod|grep rt2800usb
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383 [03:51:24] <rant> ZaZaGX: does it show the driver loaded?
384 [03:51:27] <ZaZaGX> do i run it as su -
385 [03:51:27] <ZaZaGX> ?
386 [03:51:34] <rant> lsmod should work as normal user
387 [03:51:53] <rant> and it should either show the driver or
nothing
388 [03:51:58] <ZaZaGX> it shows nothin
389 [03:51:59] <ZaZaGX> g
390 [03:52:05] <rant> hmm..
391 [03:52:09] <rant> cat /etc/modules
392 [03:52:15] <rant> is the module listed when you do that?
393 [03:52:42] <ZaZaGX> $ cat /etc/modules
394 [03:52:42] <ZaZaGX> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at
boot time.
395 [03:52:42] <ZaZaGX> #
396 [03:52:43] <ZaZaGX> # This file contains the names of kernel
modules that should be loaded
397 [03:52:43] <ZaZaGX> # at boot time, one per line. Lines
beginning with "#" are ignored.
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399 [03:52:48] <rant> heh
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401 [03:52:52] <ZaZaGX> ops
402 [03:52:57] <rant> :P
403 [03:53:05] <rant> does it show it on the last line?
404 [03:53:17] <ZaZaGX> rt2800usb
405 [03:53:35] <rant> well I guess we just determined that
/etc/modules /doesn't/ do what I thought it did anymore
406 [03:53:45] <ZaZaGX> oh
407 [03:53:57] <rant> which both that AND the fact its not
autoloading have me rather puzzled
408 [03:54:08] <rant> still there are a million trivial ways to
resolve this issue
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410 [03:54:20] <ZaZaGX> sudo modprobe rt2800usb
411 [03:54:24] <ZaZaGX> makes it work
412 [03:54:32] <rant> could modprobe rt2800usb from a oneshot,
could use udev..etc
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414 [03:54:50] <rant> but the part miffing me is, this shouldnt
be necessary
415 [03:55:00] <emilengler> I can't see the
bluebird-gtk-theme in my new Buster cinnamon install.
416 [03:55:06] <emilengler> Any suggestions on how to fix it?
417 [03:55:16] <emilengler> I have the bluebird-gtk-theme package
installed
418 [03:55:24] <emilengler> I don't see the window frames*
419 [03:55:34] <ZaZaGX> hmm
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422 [03:56:13] <rant> doesn't seem like anyone else is gonna
chime in here.. so its just me with rube-goldberg solutions I guess
:P
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425 [03:56:46] <rant> I know the udev rule or the systemd oneshot
unit would get the job done..
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428 [03:57:45] <rant> the systemd oneshot would only involve
creation of a single file, and would just load the driver at boot..
the udev rule would require at least two files afaik.. the rule and
the script.. I mean technically you could put the command in the
rule but its a bit tacky :P
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430 [03:57:56] <rant> doing it via udev would have it happen only
when the device was plugged in
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432 [03:58:09] <ZaZaGX> hmm
433 [03:58:32] <ZaZaGX> it'll let me try to connect to a
essid. but the adapter doesn't light up and it won't
connect completely
434 [03:58:35] <rant> there has to be a file that you list
modules in.. idk wth /etc/modules inst being respected anymore
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437 [03:58:53] <ZaZaGX> it works on Kali thou
438 [03:58:57] <rant> ZaZaGX: did you ever paste a dmesg output
after you modprobed the driver?
439 [03:59:09] <ZaZaGX> not sure
440 [03:59:13] <rant> sudo dmesg|tail -n 20|nc termbin.com 9999
441 [03:59:40] <ZaZaGX>
replaced-url
442 [04:00:21] <rant> ZaZaGX: hmm, how about.. sudo dmesg|grep
firmware|nc termbin.com 9999
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444 [04:01:12] <ZaZaGX>
replaced-url
445 [04:01:18] <rant> ZaZaGX: I have an old Netgear usb dongle
that does exactly that when using those predictable network names
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448 [04:01:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: yeah, shows its loading the
firmware fine..
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450 [04:02:08] <rant> ZaZaGX: I'd try turning off
predictable interface names and see if it works that way
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452 [04:02:12] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
453 [04:02:27] <ZaZaGX> but it doesn't work correctly
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458 [04:02:48] <rant> ZaZaGX: cause the netgear dongle I have, it
attempts to connect then disassociates just like your paste is
showing when its using those predictable names
459 [04:03:03] <rant> and it works fine when I turn them off
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462 [04:03:33] <rant> its a rtl8196 or something.. different
driver.. but who knows.. could be the same issue
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464 [04:04:59] <ZaZaGX> oh hmm
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466 [04:05:02] <ZaZaGX> thats sucks
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468 [04:05:22] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo sed -ie
's/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0"/'
/etc/default/grub; sudo update-grub
469 [04:05:55] <rant> ZaZaGX: then when you reboot your network
interfaces would just be eth0, wlan0 rather than wlx9cefd5fdf30b and
crap
470 [04:06:46] <rant> ZaZaGX: if that fixes it, then I think I
need to find someone to bitch at cause that'll be two drivers
now I know that have this issue
471 [04:07:16] <ZaZaGX> okay brb
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473 [04:08:21] * rant thinks the only thing predictable about
predictable ifnames is that they're a PITA :P
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478 [04:09:51] <ZaZaGX> doh, it doesn't autoload. and it
doesn't connect. no light on the wifi adapter too
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480 [04:10:20] <rant> ZaZaGX: check ip a
481 [04:10:33] <rant> ZaZaGX: are the names now showing as wlan0
instead of the long wlx9ce....
482 [04:11:09] <ZaZaGX> i see the long name
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485 [04:11:29] <rant> hmm.. so its showing wlx9cefd5fdf30b still?
486 [04:11:39] <ZaZaGX> yup
487 [04:11:48] * rant checks what he told you to type :P
488 [04:12:05] <rant> pretty sure net.ifnames=0 is what turns
that off
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491 [04:12:56] <rant> google hits for RHEL suggests a 2nd
parameter as well, but that one alone worked for me before
492 [04:13:19] <rant> the RHEL links say also add biosdevname=0
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495 [04:13:54] <ZaZaGX> oh, not sure not to do that
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497 [04:14:08] <rant> ZaZaGX: we can try adding that one too, but
you would need to verify for argument sake at the bootloader that
these arguments are actually applied
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499 [04:14:21] <rant> ZaZaGX: you have any experience at all with
editing the commandline at the bootloader?
500 [04:14:41] <ZaZaGX> just nosetmode
501 [04:15:06] <rant> but you are familiar with how to edit at
the boot menu?
502 [04:15:12] <ZaZaGX> no
503 [04:15:26] <cluelessperson> Here's what I got with
network confs
504 [04:15:27] <cluelessperson>
replaced-url
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507 [04:16:09] <rant> ZaZaGX: alright, well when you are at the
bootloader, you have the default boot option selected, you press the
E key rather than the enter key and it will bring up an editor
window with many lines in it
508 [04:16:30] <rant> ZaZaGX: the line you'd be wanting to
look at would be the one that starts with linux.. thats the kernel
commandline
509 [04:16:45] <ZaZaGX> oh, i did that before okay
510 [04:16:46] <rant> ZaZaGX: it uses word-wrap so the line will
wrap around to the next line
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513 [04:17:17] <rant> what you want to check, is to see if at the
end of that line where it says "quiet" if it added these
parameters we put into /etc/default/grub
514 [04:17:30] <rant> or if for some reason the changes just
didnt take effect
515 [04:18:12] <rant> ZaZaGX: you can go ahead and as root open
up /etc/default/grub in an editor of your choice if you like, rather
than doing the fancy sed crap I did last time..
516 [04:18:19] <rant> so you can see whats in there and make sure
it looks right
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518 [04:19:10] <rant> cluelessperson: I guess you're the one
who asked earlier about vlans with networkd?
519 [04:19:14] <ZaZaGX> i'm writing this down
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521 [04:19:34] <cluelessperson> rant yup
522 [04:19:58] <rant> cluelessperson: that looks ok to my
untrained eye.. but if you're in no hurry, I'd ask this
again in US business hours tomorrow, we have folk here that are more
savvy with this they're just not active right now
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527 [04:20:35] <ZaZaGX> rant, am i just looking at the code?
i'm not adding any commands?
528 [04:20:42] <rant> I think I've seen jhutchins talking
about these kinds of things, and I'm sure other people use that
in their daily work lives.. but networkd isnt a norm.. its disabled
by default and most of us dont know about it
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530 [04:21:19] <cluelessperson> rant oh sure, it just makes zero
sense. the other longer confs work, so why wouldn't the same
ones with a different name not work? it makes no sense.
531 [04:21:25] <rant> ZaZaGX: well the line we changed last time
was the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0" it should read
right now
532 [04:21:30] <cluelessperson> probably best to not use networkd
if it's annoying and stupid
533 [04:21:40] <rant> ZaZaGX: I'd had you do that with a sed
inline search and replace
534 [04:22:07] <rant> cluelessperson: to a lot of us in the
debian world all that is systemd is such.. heh.. but we're
learning ... slowly..
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537 [04:22:48] <ZaZaGX> okay brb
538 [04:22:52] <rant> cluelessperson: you can also try send a
ping to debian-user on the subject, ask the systemd maintainers, or
as I said before try #systemd
539 [04:23:00] <rant> ZaZaGX: wait
540 [04:23:03] <ZaZaGX> ?
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542 [04:23:22] <rant> ZaZaGX: you can try adding that
biosdevname=0 in there as well
543 [04:23:24] <cluelessperson> rant yeah, I'm hanging out
in there, I'm sure someone will respond eventually. :P thanks
though
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545 [04:23:40] <rant> ZaZaGX:
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
546 [04:23:48] <rant> ZaZaGX: then update-grub after saving that
file
547 [04:24:03] <rant> ZaZaGX: and then when you reboot verify
that those two commands are on the linux line before booting from
the menu
548 [04:24:31] <rant> there are other ways to disable it, but
thats the way I've done it before
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550 [04:25:05] <rant> cluelessperson: no worries, as I said, if
you ask again in like 10-12 hrs when its daytime in the US, I think
there are people here who know about this stuff
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552 [04:25:36] <ZaZaGX> okay, see ya
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567 [04:39:53] <ZaZaGX> not sure if i did it right
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571 [04:40:38] <rant> did you press e and see if the commands
were there?
572 [04:41:11] <rant> cause for all I know, it may not even be
adding the options to the command line for some reason.. you can
also check the commandline from dmesg, should show it
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574 [04:41:29] <ZaZaGX> yes i did
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577 [04:42:09] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo dmesg | grep "Command
line:" would also show the command line
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580 [04:42:38] <rant> ZaZaGX: are the options there, are the
ifnames still showing the long predictable names in ip a, or the
legacy ones?
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585 [04:43:26] <ZaZaGX> [ 0.000000] Command line:
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64
root=UUID=e35f3812-5bba-4e21-aaa5-065e54deec8c ro quiet
"GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
update-grub
586 [04:44:11] <dvs> gawd!
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589 [04:45:11] <rant> heh
590 [04:45:28] * rant facepalms
591 [04:45:47] <rant> ZaZaGX: I may have given you a little too
much credit for knowing what you were doing
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594 [04:46:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: that part of the commandline that
reads "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
update-grub should only read net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
595 [04:47:05] <rant> ZaZaGX: you got the /etc/default/grub wrong
and you didnt apparently run the update-grub command, you typed it
into the file
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597 [04:47:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: the line in /etc/default/grub
should read GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0
biosdevname=0" idk what you got in there.. but its a mess
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599 [04:52:39] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
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601 [04:53:05] <ZaZaGX> wait, how do i update-grub?
602 [04:53:14] <rant> ZaZaGX: and you have to run the command
update-grub after saving the file to actually change the bootloader
603 [04:53:17] <rant> as root
604 [04:53:45] <rant> I had assumed since you mentioned vi, that
you knew a good bit. cause vi isnt very newbie friendly :P
605 [04:53:58] <rant> if I knew you'd have had issues,
I'd have gone with another inline sed swap
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608 [04:55:56] <ZaZaGX> oh okay
609 [04:55:58] <ZaZaGX> brb
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618 [05:01:36] <ZaZaGX> doh
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624 [05:03:18] <rant> heh, what now?
625 [05:03:39] <dvs> it blew up
626 [05:04:20] <ZaZaGX> # sudo dmesg | grep "Command
line:"
627 [05:04:20] <ZaZaGX> [ 0.000000] Command line:
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64
root=UUID=e35f3812-5bba-4e21-aaa5-065e54deec8c ro quiet
628 [05:04:47] <dvs> so now it's not there
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631 [05:08:15] <rant> afaik thats the easier of the methods to
disable predictable names.. the other involves systemd
632 [05:08:49] <rant> ZaZaGX: cat /etc/default/grub|nc
termbin.com 9999
633 [05:09:22] <ZaZaGX>
replaced-url
634 [05:09:34] <rant> and I'm not even sure this will fix
the issue, I'm just thinking it looks a whole lot like the
issue I have with that Realtek based Netgear dongle I have, which is
resolved by disabling those ifnames
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637 [05:10:21] <rant> ZaZaGX: yes, that line just reads
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" the 10th line..
638 [05:10:32] <rant> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0
biosdevname=0"
639 [05:10:35] <rant> is what it should say
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641 [05:10:56] <ZaZaGX> ah ok
642 [05:11:11] <rant> and really I only added the biosdevname
cause the net.ifnames alone didnt seem to do it
643 [05:11:19] <rant> but for all I know you miffed that up
somehow :P
644 [05:11:34] <rant> don't forget to update-grub after you
save the file
645 [05:11:34] <ZaZaGX> is there another way instead of doing
this?
646 [05:11:45] <rant> there are several other ways
647 [05:11:59] <rant> you can MANUALLY type those commands on the
grub commandline at boot for one thing
648 [05:12:12] <rant> there is also another way involving systemd
but its no easier than this
649 [05:12:34] <ZaZaGX> okay let me try it again
650 [05:12:36] <rant> and I'm not really sure how its done..
I talked about it I think on OFTC recently.. might still be in my
buffer
651 [05:12:50] <rant> someone was doing it the systemd way and I
mentioned the grub method
652 [05:12:59] <ZaZaGX> brb
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671 [05:32:43] <ZaZaGX> i don't get it
672 [05:32:51] <ZaZaGX> i keep getting it blank
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684 [05:41:29] <ZaZaGX> okay i did nano
685 [05:41:44] <CaptainDusty> Were you not `:wq` ? lol
686 [05:42:12] <ZaZaGX> i did a sudo nano /etc/default/grub
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688 [05:42:38] <ZaZaGX> updated grub, reboot. still doesn't
work
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691 [05:44:13] <rant> ZaZaGX: are you editing it as root, saving
the file and running update-grub as root?
692 [05:44:28] <ZaZaGX> yes
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694 [05:45:47] <ZaZaGX> whoa
695 [05:45:50] <ZaZaGX> i did a sudo modprobe rt2800usb
696 [05:45:53] <ZaZaGX> it worked
697 [05:46:07] <ZaZaGX> lights turns on, connects to wifi
starbucks
698 [05:46:33] <ZaZaGX> sorry it works
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700 [05:50:13] <rant> ZaZaGX: and the ifname is wlan0 now?
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703 [05:52:03] <rant> ZaZaGX: in ip a, it shows wlan0?
704 [05:52:06] <ZaZaGX> ah sorry, i'm not sure how to do it
705 [05:52:17] <ZaZaGX> iwconfig, ifconfig doens't work for
debian
706 [05:52:32] <rant> ZaZaGX: it does if you install them
707 [05:52:37] <rant> ZaZaGX: ip a
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710 [05:53:16] <rant> ,file bin/ifconfig
711 [05:53:16] <ZaZaGX> i see wlan0 and wlan1
712 [05:53:21] <judd> Search for bin/ifconfig in buster/amd64:
net-tools: sbin/ifconfig
713 [05:53:30] <rant> ZaZaGX: ok so it was the predictable names
messing it up then
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715 [05:53:45] <rant> ,file bin/iwconfig
716 [05:53:49] <judd> Search for bin/iwconfig in buster/amd64:
wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig
717 [05:54:05] <rant> ZaZaGX: apt install net-tools
wireless-tools
718 [05:54:08] <rant> if you want those commands
719 [05:54:11] <Wulf> ifconfig is obsolete, and has been for MANY
years now.
720 [05:54:32] <rant> yes, its deprecated.. but I'm still
more familiar with it than ip
721 [05:54:37] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
722 [05:54:49] <ZaZaGX> well, i don't like it. it connects
really slow via command line to wifi
723 [05:55:14] <ZaZaGX> it usually shows help files with those
commands on ubuntu help websites
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725 [05:55:45] <rant> I can't recall if I ever filed a bug
about my wireless or not.. but now I know of two adapters with two
different drivers that dont work with predictable ifnames
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727 [05:56:04] <ZaZaGX> hmm, i wonder if it works via reboot
728 [05:56:07] <rant> so idk wtf the problem is exactly
729 [05:56:24] <ZaZaGX> brb
730 [05:56:34] <rant> ZaZaGX: well the predictable ifnames should
be persistent if you have it in the grub config, but the loading of
the driver you still need to resolve
731 [05:56:43] <ZaZaGX> yeah
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733 [05:57:17] <rant> ZaZaGX: I still dont know why its not
loading, especially with it in /etc/modules
734 [05:57:56] <rant> I'm not sure what is even causing this
bug with the predictable ifnames, to know what to file a bug against
735 [05:58:03] <rant> I dont know if its the kernel, systemd or
what
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on it..
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739 [06:00:20] <ZaZaGX> yeah, looks like it won't autoload
like Kali
740 [06:00:26] <ZaZaGX> via driver
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742 [06:00:41] <rant> ZaZaGX: so the driver is auto loading now
too?
743 [06:01:36] <ZaZaGX> no
744 [06:01:54] <rant> oh, I read that wrong
745 [06:02:03] <ZaZaGX> i would have to do sudo modprobe
rt2800usb
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751 [06:05:25] <ZaZaGX> oh wells
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753 [06:05:55] <ZaZaGX> maybe you should file a bug report
754 [06:05:57] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo echo -e
"[Unit]\nDescription=Load
Wifi\n[Service]\nType=oneshot\nExecStart=modprobe
rt2800usb\n[Install]\nWantedBy=multi-user.target" >
/etc/systemd/system/rt2800usb.service;systemctl enable
rt2800usb.service
755 [06:06:20] <rant> ZaZaGX: yeah, but against what is the
question... I know this now affects two different adapters with two
totally different drivers..
756 [06:06:28] <rant> idk if its the kernel, systemd, or what is
the problem
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760 [06:07:10] <rant> ZaZaGX: that oneliner will create a systemd
unit to modprobe the driver at boot
761 [06:07:27] <rant> since idk wtf is going on with /etc/modules
gonna have to check on that too..
762 [06:07:51] <rant> the file still exists in buster, and says
in the comments that modules listed there should be loaded at boot
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765 [06:09:17] <ZaZaGX> Created symlink
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/rt2800usb.service →
/etc/systemd/system/rt2800usb.service.
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769 [06:12:16] <rant> yeah I'm still rather unfamiliar with
systemd but that should be enough to get it to load the driver I
think
770 [06:12:19] <rant> heh
771 [06:12:51] <rant> I used to just append stuff like this to
/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh if I needed to "oneshot" something
:P
772 [06:13:07] <rant> but then again for this specifically, I
used to just list modules in /etc/modules.. so wtf.. idk :D
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774 [06:13:41] <ZaZaGX> doh
775 [06:14:02] <rant> I am still tempted to file a bug against
systemd over the bootmisc.sh
776 [06:14:21] <rant> one important thing it used to do was save
dmesg to /var/log/dmesg at boot
777 [06:14:55] <rant> now there is no damn dmesg log at boot, and
journalctl near as I can tell has no simple way to just see the boot
messages
778 [06:16:11] <rant> and not only is that helpful for support
purposes, but its also nice to just have a damn script that runs at
the end of bootup process where you can drop stuff without all this
damn creating a systemd unit crap
779 [06:16:22] <ZaZaGX> i still have to do sudo modprobe
rt2800usb
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781 [06:17:14] <rant> hmm.. that was rather barebones systemd
unit.. maybe I left something out..
782 [06:17:34] <ZaZaGX> i think its the kernel lol
783 [06:17:47] <ZaZaGX> i'm just guessing
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785 [06:18:28] <rant> well afaik the kernel should be autoloading
the driver.. but the reading of /etc/modules iirc was handled by
sysv init, and blah blah blah
786 [06:18:41] <ZaZaGX> hmm
787 [06:18:52] <rant> iirc there was an init script that read
/etc/modules
788 [06:19:05] <rant> stuff like this just royally pisses me off
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790 [06:19:46] <rant> the go and replace a simple sysv init with
this systemd that has everything including replacing the kitchen
sink.. and yet doesn't do stuff our system used to do under
sysv
791 [06:19:49] <ZaZaGX> are you a dev?
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793 [06:20:00] <rant> nope
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795 [06:21:32] <rant> I'm a user, been using Debian
exclusively since 2.2r6 Potato, and I'm CompTIA A+ and Linux+
certified, thats about it
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798 [06:22:28] <ZaZaGX> ohcool
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802 [06:23:24] <rant> I've been coding since I was knee high
to a grasshopper, but I'm not really good at it.. and in fact
much of the TI99/4a, Apple II, Dos (basica,gwbasic,qbasic), TI 82/83
basic, and such programming I did as a youngin ingraned in me lots
of bad habits :P
803 [06:23:52] <ZaZaGX> cool
804 [06:24:06] <rant> I can semi-competently write python, bash,
javascript, html is what I do mostly to solve small problems
805 [06:24:22] <ZaZaGX> Linux + certified sounds fun
806 [06:24:57] <rant> I can reluctantly write other languages..
as needed.. usually dont like going beyond perl and C but,
occasionally some lisp, lua, or such is called for
807 [06:25:52] <ZaZaGX> i had a bad experience doing Karl++ its
supposedly like Java
808 [06:25:57] <rant> ZaZaGX: not really.. its based on Suse
Enterprise Linux.. I took it then a couple months later they were
about to roll out a new one and were contacting
"professionals" who scored well on the old test to help
them iron out the new one, and I participated in that and got the
new cert for free
809 [06:26:06] <rant> I only got them cause the govt paid for it
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811 [06:26:30] <rant> rather useless credentials imho :D
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813 [06:26:48] <ZaZaGX> lol
814 [06:26:55] <rant> I had attempted to learn java once then ran
away screaming
815 [06:31:25] <cluelessperson> rant oh, so looking at logs, it
looks like perhaps there's a conflict
816 [06:31:34] <cluelessperson> I'm wondering if I need to
disable the original netowrk manager
817 [06:31:59] <rant> cluelessperson: yeah normally if network
manager detects something is managaing something it ignores it.. but
who knows..
818 [06:32:15] <cluelessperson> rant
replaced-url
819 [06:32:24] <cluelessperson> here, it appears it merely fails
to rename the other things
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822 [06:34:08] <cluelessperson> wait
823 [06:34:15] <cluelessperson> why is it trying to rename all
the interfaces I just ade
824 [06:34:20] <cluelessperson> "Failed to rename network
interface 6 from 'uplink.101' to 'uplink.100':
Device or resource busy"
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827 [06:37:56] <lolsquad> tes
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833 [06:48:24] <rant> I don't have the slightest clue about
that stuff.. I just know in the last couple days someone was talking
about systemd .link files.. and I looked into it breifly.
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835 [06:51:37] <kreyren> Can i use `Package: A B C D` in
`/etc/apt/preferences` ?
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838 [06:53:24] <alkisg> kreyren: man apt_preferences, search for
Package:, read the 4 lines above the first occurence
839 [06:53:36] <kreyren> alkisg not an option atm
840 [06:53:45] <alkisg> No net?
841 [06:54:16] <kreyren> no speed on harddisk assuming upgrading
system and system without man page + i wasn't able to find it
on net
842 [06:54:26] <kreyren> nwm i'm blind
843 [06:55:00] <alkisg> manpages.debian.org/apt_preferences
844 [06:56:56] <kreyren> Seems that i can use that, thanks
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881 [07:40:06] <ZaZaGX> interesting
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886 [07:43:50] <ZaZaGX_> omg it works now
887 [07:44:04] <ZaZaGX_> plug and play auto works
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913 [08:15:09] <kreyren> i'm getting `apt-get: error while
loading shared libraries: libsystemd.so.0: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory` on openrc system while executing
`apt` any ideas why
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915 [08:16:16] <kreyren> seems that i need libsystemd0 package
916 [08:16:25] <Abdullah> kreyren: what you were doing ?
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918 [08:16:47] <kreyren> Abdullah experimenting
919 [08:16:59] <Abdullah> :)
920 [08:17:11] <kreyren> Assuming
replaced-url
921 [08:17:25] <annadane> bullseye or buster?
922 [08:17:30] <kreyren> bullseye
923 [08:17:46] <Abdullah> lemme check
924 [08:17:49] <kreyren> ty <3
925 [08:18:20] <annadane> amd64:
replaced-url
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930 [08:19:05] <aypea[2]> so... running out of memory but neither
ps nor top show a viable culprit. kernel memory leak likely?
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932 [08:20:19] <kreyren> annadane thats .deb and i dont think
that i can extract it on systemrescuecd
933 [08:20:52] <kreyren> i try mby dpkg is still usefull
934 [08:21:03] <annadane> oh sorry
935 [08:21:08] <annadane> i thought a .deb would be ok
936 [08:21:30] <kreyren> dpkg seems to work tho (didn't
realize that dpkg is an option to fix this) checking
937 [08:21:30] <dpkg> kreyren: what are you talking about?
938 [08:21:39] <annadane> this...?
replaced-url
939 [08:21:44] <kreyren> dpkg sorry didn't meant to mension
ya
940 [08:21:44] <dpkg> kreyren: have you tried
replaced-url
941 [08:22:01] <kreyren> annadane thats systemd and afaik systemd
!= libsystemd0
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943 [08:22:25] <annadane> i guess what you want is for someone to
create a tar with just libsystemd0
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945 [08:22:49] <kreyren> annadane dpkg seems to work to install
said requirement for apt, thanks!
946 [08:22:53] <annadane> ah ok
947 [08:22:57] <annadane> sorry for being scatterbrained
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967 [08:31:42] <cluelessperson> yo
968 [08:31:47] <cluelessperson> I figured out my issue
969 [08:31:57] <cluelessperson> So, networking.service and
systemd-networkd were conflicting.
970 [08:32:06] <cluelessperson> systemd-networkd is working to
make the vlan interface
971 [08:32:16] <cluelessperson> but networking.service was
immediately renaming it
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983 [08:41:14] <kreyren>
replaced-url
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985 [08:41:44] <kreyren> pinning:
replaced-url
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990 [08:43:06] <kreyren> ping Abdullah
991 [08:43:33] <humpled> what is apti?
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993 [08:44:00] <kreyren> humpled:
replaced-url
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997 [08:44:20] <cluelessperson> I said that
998 [08:44:24] <cluelessperson> but... it's still happening
999 [08:45:05] <kreyren> seems that it's trying to overwrite
openrc with systemd for that package.. maybe make pinning for
systemd to never be pulled?
1000 [08:45:13] <Abdullah> I use ap but its a function for that
;-)
1001 [08:45:14] <kreyren> rather seems as upstream issue
1002 [08:45:28] <kreyren> Abdullah eh? o.o
1003 [08:46:23] <kreyren> ah ap alias i see.. meh i like to use
phonetic naming for aliases
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1005 [08:46:30] <kreyren> it's easier to remember :p
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1008 [08:47:46] <humpled> isn't it easier to remember the
real command?
1009 [08:48:23] <kreyren> humpled nah + it's slow to write
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1011 [08:48:41] <humpled> well
1012 [08:49:05] <humpled> i guess i can already type faster than i
can think
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1017 [08:50:00] <Abdullah> maybe you can think slow and type fast
;-)
1018 [08:50:48] <humpled> i can also read faster than i can think
about this preferences file
1019 [08:51:26] <kreyren> i can also break faster then i type
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1023 [08:53:29] <humpled> seems that before you typed apti
xfce4-terminal, apt was already waiting to remove linux-base
1024 [08:53:59] <XLS202> Hey, I have a Problem with tar. I use the
command "tar -cWf" to Backup my files... And I get often
the Error "Unterschiedliche Inhalte" (that means different
Content) do you have any idea how i could troubleshoot this?
1025 [08:54:00] <kreyren> aptar (apt autoremove) doesnt seem to
want to remove it
1026 [08:54:25] <kreyren> Seems that libxfce4ui-2-0 is at issue
1027 [08:54:30] <Abdullah>
replaced-url
1028 [08:54:40] <kreyren>
replaced-url
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1034 [08:57:19] <no_gravity> Why does the man page for iptables
not mention "dport" even though that is one of its
parameters?
1035 [08:57:30] <Abdullah>
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1039 [08:59:33] <Abdullah> isn't xfce4 dead?
1040 [09:00:01] <humpled> no
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1042 [09:00:47] <kreyren>
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1044 [09:01:30] <Abdullah> used it as student when I had 1G ram
only and I used to do reboot -f or manual reboot
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1046 [09:02:04] <humpled> i still have 1G ram and xfce :)
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1055 [09:05:43] <kreyren> How do i mask packages on debian? -10
pin priority doesnt seem to work expecting to never pull one package
from debian's release
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1059 [09:09:13] <kreyren> nwm it has to be at the bottom since
it's reading from top to bottom it seems
1060 [09:09:23] <kreyren> ~~kinda weird~~
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1068 [09:11:48] <danst> hey
1069 [09:12:10] <danst> how do you disable "Give root
password for maintenance or press ^D to continue" FOREVER
1070 [09:12:28] <danst> is putting zeroes to the end of /etc/fstab
lines enough?
1071 [09:12:34] <danst> I want to be 1000% sure
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1073 [09:13:04] <kreyren> afaik this is output of systemd when
something is wrong -> check your /etc/fstab to make sure it has
correct records
1074 [09:13:11] <kreyren> *output of system in init phase
1075 [09:13:14] <kreyren> *systemd
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1077 [09:14:43] <kreyren> ping danst sent your /etc/fstab for
sanity check
1078 [09:15:06] <alkisg> Isn't that the prompt of
"recovery mode" in grub?
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1080 [09:15:25] <alkisg> I.e. "single" in /proc/cmdline
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1083 [09:16:28] <kreyren> alkisg that would be `grub rescue >`
1084 [09:16:37] <alkisg> kreyren: no, that's failed grub
1085 [09:16:48] <kreyren> grub recovery mode == grub rescue
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1087 [09:17:06] <alkisg> If you select "recovery mode"
in grub, debian boots linux, and gives you the prompt that danst
mentions
1088 [09:17:12] <alkisg> From there, you can troubleshoot the
system
1089 [09:17:28] <kreyren> interesting
1090 [09:17:30] <alkisg> grub rescue is when grub can't find
the grub code, to load the menu etc
1091 [09:17:48] <alkisg> I.e. before linux is loaded at all
1092 [09:18:13] <kreyren> noted
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1097 [09:20:33] <kreyren> how do i output informations for all
releases available for apt? e.i package in buster compared to
package in 3rd party repo
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1109 [09:26:10] <fireba11> kreyren: apt-cache show
1110 [09:26:20] <danst> putting last zero in each line worked
1111 [09:26:33] <danst> but what if fs gets corrupted?
1112 [09:26:38] <danst> it's an sd card lol
1113 [09:26:46] <danst> will it just boot and don't care now?
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1116 [09:27:26] <kreyren> danst 07:13:02 ~ 07:18:11 replies on
this channel are relevant did you read them?
1117 [09:27:42] <kreyren> UTC time afaik
1118 [09:28:20] <kreyren> fireba11: not sufficient i need to
output informations about all available versions from all available
repositories ideally
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1120 [09:28:32] <kreyren> expecting to see which package is pulled
based on /etc/apt/preferences
1121 [09:28:51] <kreyren> assuming experimenting with pinning with
multiple repos
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1123 [09:29:06] <humpled> app
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1126 [09:29:23] <humpled> that's my alias which i just made
up for the command you might need
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1129 [09:29:37] <humpled> tried apt policy?
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1131 [09:30:03] <kreyren> humpled... and yep
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1133 [09:30:26] <kreyren> humpled about that alias thats why
i'm trying to standartize the aliases in bash-it :p
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1154 [09:40:49] <kreyren> !debian-next
1155 [09:40:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1197 [10:01:29] <tdn> What is the most painless procedure for
upgrading a debian 7 to debian 10?
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1209 [10:04:53] <kreyren> tdn: `sudo sed -i
's/wheezy/buster/g' /etc/apt/sources.list &&
apt-get update -y && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get
dist-upgrade -y && apt-get autoremove -y` executed from root
(that's what i'm usually using)
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1212 [10:05:16] <ZaZaGX> i did a fresh install. i can't
apt-get update correctly. how do i get rid of this?
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1214 [10:05:28] <kreyren> afaik apt should be able to resolve
these confclits by itself, but i would recommend upgrading from 7 to
8 then from 8 to 9 and from 9 to 10
1215 [10:05:33] <ZaZaGX> Media change: please insert the disc
labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD
Binary-1 20190706-10:24'
1216 [10:05:36] <ZaZaGX> in the drive '/media/cdrom/'
and press [Enter]
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1218 [10:06:04] <kreyren> ZaZaGX Make your own
/etc/apt/sources.list this happens when correct
/etc/apt/sources.list is not pulled during installation
1219 [10:06:44] <ZaZaGX> could i use the GUI?
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1221 [10:07:23] <tdn> kreyren, so in one go?
1222 [10:07:26] <kreyren> ZaZaGX you can use
replaced-url
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1226 [10:08:10] <kreyren> tdn, that's what i would do, but
i'm insane, checking if there is a way to sanitize it atm
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1232 [10:10:33] <rudi_s> tdn: kreyren: No.
1233 [10:10:33] <kreyren> tdn, well i would yolo it and in case it
breaks i would prepare systemrescuecd, recommends waiting for second
opinion from others
1234 [10:10:44] <rudi_s> tdn: You are not permitted to skip
releases, this will break badly.
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1236 [10:10:57] <rudi_s> Go from wheezy to jessie to stretch to
buster
1237 [10:11:10] <rudi_s> (Or do a fresh installation if you can.)
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1240 [10:11:27] <kreyren> rudi_s: afaik apt should be able to
resovle it by itself, but ppl are instructed to upgrade from release
to release
1241 [10:11:39] <rudi_s> kreyren: No.
1242 [10:11:46] <kreyren> rudi_s elaborate
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1245 [10:12:17] <rudi_s> Apt might be able to resolve
dependencies, but that's not the problem. The packages might
have update scripts/procedures in place and these are only supported
from one release to the next.
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1248 [10:13:24] <kreyren> rudi_s: these should be sanitized for
multiple releases afaik
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1250 [10:13:40] * kreyren never had issues skipping release on debian
excluding sid
1251 [10:14:27] <rudi_s> kreyren: No, they are not. If you want
you can read the release notes where that's explicitly stated.
1252 [10:14:39] <kreyren> noted
1253 [10:14:54] <rudi_s> Of course most of the time it will work,
but if you still have a wheezy system you most likely care about
your data. So I'd be careful.
1254 [10:14:57] <rudi_s> tdn: ^
1255 [10:15:40] <kreyren> i guess umounting /home and upgrade from
root might be sane then.. if it breaks you can always get
configuration from /etc and /usr and replace /home O.o
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1262 [10:17:04] <rudi_s> kreyren: No. Important data is stored in
/var (for example databases) which can be destroyed by that
procedure.
1263 [10:17:05] <ws2k3> can i install libvhdi-utils on jessie?(i
know jessie is old already working on it)
1264 [10:17:23] <kreyren> rudi_s true
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1294 [10:33:43] <tdn> rudi_s, thanks
1295 [10:34:00] <tdn> rudi_s, yes, I care about my data. I have
hundreds of users who use this everyday.
1296 [10:34:45] <kreyren> tdn report back with result i'm
interested
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1301 [10:38:13] <rudi_s> tdn: np, make sure to create some backups
first. LVM-Snapshots might also be a good idea to be able to restore
quickly.
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1305 [10:38:56] <rudi_s> And depending on the software you're
running. It might be worth to "stop" on each release and
test that everything works properly. Makes tracking down potential
issues easier because less parts have changed.
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1309 [10:42:42] <humpled> oh my word
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1316 [10:45:13] <ZaZaGX> hi
1317 [10:45:27] <kreyren> ZaZaGX did it work?
1318 [10:45:36] <ZaZaGX> yeah
1319 [10:45:39] <kreyren> gut gut
1320 [10:46:53] <humpled> are you sure?
1321 [10:47:10] <kreyren> 99% sure
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1323 [10:47:30] <humpled> !sources
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1325 [10:47:31] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
1326 [10:49:04] <kreyren> humpled which is same as generated file
on provided url
1327 [10:49:10] <kreyren> assuming that end-user asked for GUi
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1329 [10:49:42] <humpled> we haven't seen their list or the
code that generated it
1330 [10:50:17] <kreyren> true
1331 [10:52:11] <kreyren> ZaZaGX if you have issue with it sent us
output of `([! -x $(command -v curl) && apt install curl
-y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-'
ix.io)`
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1333 [10:52:31] <kreyren> `([! -x $(command -v curl ]) &&
apt install curl -y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F
'f:1=<-' ix.io)`
1334 [10:52:34] <kreyren> sorry syntax err
1335 [10:52:56] <kreyren> ** `([! -x $(command -v curl) ]
&& apt install curl -y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl
-F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)`
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1337 [10:53:55] <azeem> I find '| pastebinit' instead of
that obscure curl ix.io a bit more friendly
1338 [10:54:44] <kreyren> meh ix.io generates shorter url
1339 [10:55:14] <kreyren> and you usually have it as defined
function in .bashrc to use `command | ix`
1340 [10:55:23] <azeem> who is "you"?
1341 [10:55:56] <ZaZaGX> omg thats a lot of stuff
1342 [10:56:18] <kreyren> ZaZaGX nah i just made syntax error
twice use the third command that i've sent
1343 [10:56:29] <kreyren> unless you know how to sent content of
/etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
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1345 [10:56:45] <humpled> ZaZaGX , kreyren will explain every word
of right now before you run it as root
1346 [10:56:50] <humpled> of it*
1347 [10:57:38] <kreyren> `([! -x $(command -v curl) ] &&
apt install curl -y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F
'f:1=<-' ix.io)` == Makes a check if `curl` program is
executable if not it's going to install it and then takes the
concent of /etc/apt/sources.list and sents it on ix.io for you to
just copy paste URL which is going to generate
1348 [10:57:53] <kreyren> wait
1349 [10:58:07] <kreyren> This `([! -x $(command -v curl) ]
&& apt install curl -y) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl
-F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)`
1350 [10:58:14] * kreyren using rescue OS and it's pain to write on
1351 [10:58:33] <azeem> so maybe use 'apt install pastebinit;
pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list' next time
1352 [10:58:43] <kreyren> ^ or that
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1361 [11:06:21] <ZaZaGX> oh crazy
1362 [11:06:59] <tdn> I am trying to upgrade from
wheezy->jessie, and after changing sources til jessie and doing
apt-get update, I get this message: "W: There is no public key
available for the following key IDs: AA8E81B4331F7F50" is this
a problem or should I ignore?
1363 [11:08:02] <ZaZaGX> is my /etc/apt/sources.list supposed to
be empty?
1364 [11:08:19] <kreyren> nope
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1368 [11:09:02] <kreyren> tdn: you need debian-keyring from jessie
try installing it manually by grabbing it from the debian packages
and then `apt install ./path`
1369 [11:09:31] <kreyren> ZaZaGX your sources.list should have
repositorie pointing to buster
1370 [11:09:39] <kreyren> !sources
1371 [11:09:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
1372 [11:09:46] <kreyren> or you can generate the concent here
replaced-url
1373 [11:10:07] <kreyren> concent == expecting to be present in
/etc/apt/sources.list
1374 [11:10:14] <tdn> kreyren, thanks. I found this procedure that
solved it:
replaced-url
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1376 [11:10:46] <ZaZaGX> we're talking about Software &
Updates > Other Software right?
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1387 [11:14:01] <kreyren> ZaZaGX: nope these are different
depending on your GUI to resolve this issue
1388 [11:14:17] <kreyren> afaik gnome is setting
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for this
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1391 [11:15:32] <kreyren> ZaZaGX: to clarify this
replaced-url
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1394 [11:18:56] <ZaZaGX> oh okay thanks
1395 [11:20:23] <at0m> !sources.list
1396 [11:20:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
1397 [11:20:24] <jelly> tdn, you shouldn't need to add keys
manually to get packages from official repos; keeping
debian-archive-keyring updated ought to be enough
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1400 [11:21:06] <tdn> jelly, yeah, not sure what it didnt work
1401 [11:21:48] <jelly> tdn, you might have forgotten to patch-up
wheezy before going on with the wheezy->jessie release upgrade
steps.
1402 [11:22:02] <kreyren> jelly what is the alternative? afaik
adding it though apt-key is pita
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1404 [11:22:15] <tdn> jelly, I did apt-get update &&
apt-get dist-upgrade before I started upgrade procedure
1405 [11:22:48] <kreyren> i would also use `apt autoremove`
assuming that it's using uneeded packages
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1407 [11:22:57] <kreyren> less things to upgrade -> less things
that might break
1408 [11:23:10] <kreyren> but check what it's trying to
remove
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1541 [12:42:13] <netcrash_> Hello, is it possible to make a iso
pxe bootable?
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1543 [12:42:40] <kreyren> get iso extract it and try to configure
grub on it i guess
1544 [12:42:47] <kreyren> shoudn't be an issue assuming linux
os
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1546 [12:42:58] <AinNero> kreyren: the initramfs will search for
the iso medium tho
1547 [12:43:06] <AinNero> i'd say its not feasible
1548 [12:43:25] <kreyren> initramfs can be made from scratch using
dracut for example
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1550 [12:43:33] <AinNero> debian ships the netboot binaries anyway
who are fine with being shipped without iso
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1553 [12:44:20] <netcrash_> it's not a debian iso , mikrotik
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1555 [12:44:57] <AinNero> i guess most installers will fail if the
iso is not present on any visible block device
1556 [12:45:11] <kreyren> in that can you can just optimize
/etc/fstab
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1558 [12:45:36] <AinNero> its still gonna fetch stuff from the
iso, the rootfs itself or stuff to build it in ram
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1578 [13:01:58] * kreyren thinks that we need a specialized channel to
provide support with frankendebian
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1589 [13:08:11] <EmleyMoor> We need a dire warning against making
one!
1590 [13:10:35] <kreyren> nah frankendebian is cool :3
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1592 [13:12:24] <gie> is it possible to let the package unattended
upgrades only run from monday till friday ? it seems there is no
easy config for this in the configfile for the package.
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1595 [13:13:09] <kreyren> gie i was using cronjob + muQSS kernel
for that.. provide more info about your usecase
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1599 [13:16:06] <greogr2> rsync overwrites the files even if they
are newer. Is this normal and how can i only copy files if they are
newer?
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1604 [13:17:38] <jelly> greogr2, man rsync, search for
"newer"
1605 [13:18:09] <jelly> (-u, --update might be what you want, I
have NOT tried it)
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1608 [13:19:09] <greogr2> ok
1609 [13:19:12] <greogr2> thank you
1610 [13:19:34] <greogr2> seems like i just asked because i was
lazy.
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1627 [13:28:19] <gie> kreyren: the goal is to only install
security updates automatically from monday till friday when staff is
around in case something happens to a customer system after a failed
upgrade/reboot.
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1629 [13:29:43] <humpled> heheh
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1631 [13:30:18] <gie> had the situation that a lot of systems
rebooted on a weekend during vacation time, everything worked out
fine, but just in case i want to only run them during weekdays
1632 [13:30:53] <humpled> so run them when you're there?
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1635 [13:31:57] <gie> only run when the chance that someone is
around is better :)
1636 [13:32:17] <kreyren> gie depending on your configuration and
third party sources .. debian with it's stable/testing repos
should be problemless to upgrade using cronjob (some issue migh
appear on runtime) for external repos i would update them
automatically depending on the repository
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1639 [13:33:00] <kreyren> ~~or use exherbo/gentoo which handles
upgrades of system better~~
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1644 [13:37:04] <jelly> gie, or use unattended-upgrades only for
nonimportant systems and schedule patches with other tools
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1703 [14:27:05] <gie> thanks!
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1763 [15:04:46] <netcrash> Hello, I have a old dell 1955 blade
server, trying to load the media via web interface fails with a java
Exception com.avocent.vm.VirtualMedia.a(Unknown Source)
1764 [15:05:18] <netcrash> I know this is not the best channel for
this but hopping someone might have gone through this issue
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1773 [15:09:18] <laughingtiger> fedora has the same network
symptom to me, it uses kernel 5.0, so it looks like this is a myth
to me. since on windows, network seems fine.could it be the newer
kernel that's faulty?kernel that newer than stretch used?
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1776 [15:10:28] <laughingtiger> and as I was
"investigating" this problem, some article I read written
by a chinese cracked me up, he/she said, ubuntu is a piece of shit.
I totally agree with him/her.
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1778 [15:12:40] <laughingtiger> omg, I just noticed there's a
very tiny yellow triangle mark on the network manager icon, this is
a warning sign isn't it? though I can connect to the network I
know when it's normal there's no yellow mark.
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1780 [15:13:23] <alkisg> laughingtiger: I think you need to
summarize your issue for those that didn't see it start...
1781 [15:13:42] <humpled> was just wondering :þ
1782 [15:14:11] <rotaticus> as soon as you start the right thing
it works, strange x
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1784 [15:14:55] <laughingtiger> alkisg, well, it's not a big
one, it's just that the network never reaches full speed on
debian, or other linux distro like fedora, only reached half of full
speed at its best.
1785 [15:15:13] <laughingtiger> and there's a yellow mark on
the network-manager icon.
1786 [15:15:27] <alkisg> laughingtiger: are we supposed to guess
that you're talking about wifi?
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1788 [15:15:56] <laughingtiger> alkisg, sorry about the confusion,
no, it's a wired connection. and without a router.
1789 [15:15:57] <humpled> i guess it's a random rant
1790 [15:16:19] <alkisg> laughingtiger: and you tested using what,
another computer with iperf?
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1792 [15:16:51] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I don't follow you,
what's iperf do?
1793 [15:17:00] <alkisg> It benchmarks the network speed
1794 [15:17:04] <alkisg> How did you benchmark it?
1795 [15:17:43] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I see, I just downloaded
some same file on windows and debian.
1796 [15:17:59] <laughingtiger> multiple times
1797 [15:18:41] <kreyren> How do i set default release on debian?
i have apt.conf set, but it still uses bullseye
1798 [15:19:02] <alkisg> laughingtiger: from where, from the net?
LAN speed is 1000 mbps, net speed is what, 10? You can't test
driver speed like that.
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1806 [15:21:21] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I dont quite follow you,
what do you mean the net? you mean internet or sth esle? I'm
sure both lan and internet speed is the same. and why is there a
yellow warning mark on network-manager? I think this is a clear sign
of sth wrong.
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1812 [15:22:34] <cluelessperson> I'm confused.
1813 [15:23:00] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to setup these
interfaces with systemd-networkd however they seem to get renamed
afterwards by something else, the kernel? after boot?
1814 [15:23:04] <cluelessperson> rename7@uplink.100
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1816 [15:23:25] <cluelessperson> [ 4.939737] rename7: renamed from
uplink.101
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1818 [15:23:43] <cluelessperson> "renamed from
uplink.101" means it *was* named correctly, to start
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1820 [15:23:49] <cluelessperson> but I can't figure out
what's renaming it
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1825 [15:26:00] <laughingtiger> I also tried manjaro, and it
worked, network reached full speed just like on windows, but, pacman
is shitty, sorry about the word and the attitude but it's true.
not half as good as apt. and it's very unstable, caused me all
kinds of headache.
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1828 [15:26:56] <alkisg> laughingtiger: what is your full speed?
100MB/sec?
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1830 [15:27:19] <jelly> that's a weird speed
1831 [15:27:30] <laughingtiger> alkisg, that's irrelavant
don't you think so?
1832 [15:27:47] <alkisg> Of course not, because you said LAN=NET
1833 [15:27:47] <laughingtiger> irrelevant
1834 [15:27:50] <alkisg> which are completely different
1835 [15:28:07] <laughingtiger> alkisg, so what do you mean
"net"?
1836 [15:28:11] <alkisg> internet
1837 [15:28:16] <alkisg> From where are you downloading things?
1838 [15:28:19] <alkisg> And how?
1839 [15:28:24] <alkisg> And what is the speed?
1840 [15:28:28] <alkisg> Is it a problem to answer those?
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1842 [15:29:10] <laughingtiger> alkisg, from my pc, well,
you're confusing me, the speed when it's full should reach
more than 30MB
1843 [15:29:15] <laughingtiger> 30MB/s
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1845 [15:29:36] <alkisg> 30 MB/sec is no adapter's speed
1846 [15:29:40] <laughingtiger> but it only reaches less than
15MB/s maximum now
1847 [15:29:41] <alkisg> If it's gigabit, it's 100MB/sec
1848 [15:29:52] <alkisg> So you're measuring what, your ISP
speed?
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1854 [15:30:19] <kreyren> 100MB = 0.1 GB
1855 [15:30:26] <laughingtiger> alkisg, yeah, because on windows,
the download speed is more than 30, but less than 50
1856 [15:30:36] <kreyren> and 0.8 Gb
1857 [15:31:15] <alkisg> laughingtiger: i've no idea WHAT
you're measuring, if you want, tell us
1858 [15:31:28] <alkisg> Say "I go to firefox and download
this file from this url" or something
1859 [15:31:36] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I mean yeah I'm
measuring my ISP speed.
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1863 [15:31:49] <kreyren> is there a way for me to set a
dependencies for package
1864 [15:32:05] <BCMM> laughingtiger: how are you measuring it?
how do you know your measurement is accurate?
1865 [15:32:09] <kreyren> like package-0.1 has dep-0.5 assuming
multiple dependencies available
1866 [15:32:12] <jelly> kreyren, wrong channel for bullseye
questions
1867 [15:32:41] <laughingtiger> BCMM, well, I think I've told
you, by downloading the same file on windows and debian, or other
linux distro.
1868 [15:32:43] <kreyren> jelly meh
1869 [15:33:02] <laughingtiger> on windows it worked at full
speed. which is what I wanted.
1870 [15:33:14] <alkisg> laughingtiger: as you can imagine, ISP
speed is the same between PCs or OSes, so WHAT are you measuring?
Firefox download speed?
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1876 [15:34:25] <BCMM> if you think you might have a problem with
your computer's own network card, as opposed to your ISP, you
should probably do some tests within your local network, to take
your potentially variable internet connection out of the equation.
do you have any other computers on the LAN?
1877 [15:34:31] <jelly> laughingtiger, it would be better to test
bandwidth between two systems on local network before continuing
with an internet download, where MANY things can affect it
1878 [15:34:39] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger You want to make
sure you're using the same server, at the same time, in the
same way
1879 [15:35:00] <laughingtiger> alkisg, yes, I downloaded them
from firefox, but I really don't know the thing you're
trying to tell me.
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1882 [15:35:18] <cluelessperson> For example, I live in
apartments, and the next second, a neighbor could start a download,
and hit my download speed a bit, because we share an upstream
connection
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1884 [15:35:26] <BCMM> laughingtiger: what do you mean by a
"wired connection without a router"? what actual
technology does your ISP use?
1885 [15:35:26] <laughingtiger> BCMM, unfortunately I have only
one pc.
1886 [15:35:44] <BCMM> are you connected to a dedicated modem over
cat5?
1887 [15:35:52] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger That's okay.
What you can do is perform repeated speed tests, using the same
server(s) and average the results.
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1889 [15:36:13] <BCMM> laughingtiger: or is this some kind of
apartment shared internet thing where you have an actual ethernet
jack on the wall?
1890 [15:36:14] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger You're looking
for a general similar speed with a tolerance or "jitter"
1891 [15:36:15] <laughingtiger> ok I get what you're saying
guys, it seems I should do more testing.
1892 [15:36:32] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger So, there are
several things that effect "internet speed"
1893 [15:36:43] <laughingtiger> BCMM, yes it is, pc directly to
modem via cat5
1894 [15:36:50] <jelly> laughingtiger, there are _many_ moving
parts involved fetching files from internet to your local machine.
Go install speedtest-cli and run it a couple times
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1899 [15:37:49] <BCMM> laughingtiger: iirc, there are some network
cards that can do gigabit ethernet with appropriate firmware, but
fall back to 100Mb/s without their firmware files
1900 [15:37:52] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger There's, DNS
resolution. (figuring out what the ip address is for google.com),
Routing (figuring out the path to the ip for google.com), Latency
(the time it takes to send a signal to the server), Bandwidth (the
amount of data you can send per second)
1901 [15:37:58] <BCMM> laughingtiger: what numbers were you
getting again?
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1906 [15:38:27] <cluelessperson> ALL network cards support various
modes. The standard negotiated links are, 1M, 10M, 100M, 1000M
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1909 [15:38:45] <alkisg> laughingtiger: for example, you might be
pasting "replaced-url
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1913 [15:39:09] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I see.
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1915 [15:39:24] <BCMM> laughingtiger: you expect about 30MB/s but
get "less than 15" on Debian, right?
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1917 [15:39:56] <cluelessperson> also, you don't want to take
the "highest" on one, and the "average" on the
other
1918 [15:40:50] <BCMM> if you're being limited to 100BASE-T
by a failure to negotiate speeds correctly, you'd expect to see
12.5 MB/s, less a little bit for protocol overheads
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1920 [15:40:53] <laughingtiger> I'm so touched by your
enthusiasm, really, I feel dizzy now because of appereaciation.
thank you. I really should do a lan speed test first now.
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1922 [15:41:06] <laughingtiger> appreciation
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1926 [15:42:07] <laughingtiger> thank you guys.
1927 [15:42:37] <cluelessperson> I'm still running into this
problem. For some reason the debian kernel seems to be renaming my
netdev interfaces to renameN
1928 [15:42:41] <cluelessperson> I can't figure out why
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1932 [15:43:26] <BCMM> laughingtiger: can you pastebin the output
of `ethtool eth0` please? (change the network interface if
applicable)
1933 [15:43:45] <alkisg> cluelessperson: what's the output of
`cat /proc/cmdline`, and where do you see the rename, in dmesg? Can
you paste that too?
1934 [15:44:10] <BCMM> if it's just doing 100BASE-T you can
often fix it by either installing firmware to enable
autonegotiation, or manually configuring the correct mode
1935 [15:44:26] <cluelessperson>
alkisg`BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64`
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1937 [15:44:43] <alkisg> cluelessperson: that's all, no root
or anything else?
1938 [15:44:44] <cluelessperson> alkisg `[ 4.939737] rename7:
renamed from uplink.101` nothing else about the rename
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1940 [15:45:04] <cluelessperson> alkisg I redacted the last part,
as UUID is identifiable
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1942 [15:45:15] <cluelessperson> alkisg
`BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=UUID=REDACTED ro
quiet`
1943 [15:45:31] <greycat> *plonk*
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1948 [15:46:33] <laughingtiger> BCMM, well, I don't think
there's any settings problem, but as you requested,replaced-url
1949 [15:46:45] <cluelessperson> greycat yo, long time no see
1950 [15:46:49] <laughingtiger> maybe there's sth I missed.
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1952 [15:48:58] <p90x> Hey, does anybody have any experiences with
Debian locking while copying files?
1953 [15:49:27] <cluelessperson> p90x locking how?
1954 [15:49:37] <greycat> From where to where? I've seen PCs
get *really* slow when writing to USB.
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1956 [15:50:06] <p90x> It goes to the lockscreen when I'm
doing certain things and in the mate menu, it's got settings
that prevent it from locking.
1957 [15:50:30] <greycat> You mean the screen saver/locker is
invoked? Not "the system locks up"?
1958 [15:50:41] <p90x> But it still locks up and when it does, it
stops the process I am doing and I have to start over.
1959 [15:50:46] <p90x> Yes.
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1961 [15:50:56] <p90x> It goes to the password screen.
1962 [15:51:16] <cluelessperson> p90x I think you mean that
there's a bug that causes it to lock when it's not
supposed to, and it also stops your copy thing
1963 [15:51:27] <cluelessperson> lock/sleep
1964 [15:51:36] <laughingtiger> I should go to sleep now. thank U
again.
1965 [15:51:41] <greycat> The first thing that comes to my mind is
your system clock is jumping forward. Although I can't think of
why heavy I/O would cause that.
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1967 [15:51:51] <cluelessperson> also, it might be a
misconfiguration. it might be sleeping(probably), instead locking
(probably would continue in background)
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1970 [15:52:12] <cluelessperson> So, check your sleep vs lock
settings.
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1972 [15:52:59] <p90x> I have no lock settings.
1973 [15:53:16] <p90x> This happened to me before when I was on
this OS>
1974 [15:53:43] <greycat> Copying from where to where? What kind
of hardware is involved?
1975 [15:53:49] <p90x> Is there a way I can prevent it form
sleeping or locking altogether?
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1978 [15:54:14] <p90x> I'm copying from hdd to hdd.
1979 [15:54:28] <greycat> PATA? SATA? SSD?
1980 [15:54:37] <p90x> SATA
1981 [15:54:47] <cluelessperson> I feel like I'm running into
a race condition of some sort
1982 [15:54:57] <cluelessperson> but I've disable
networkmanager, for systemd-networkd
1983 [15:55:00] <cluelessperson> no idea what's renaming this
1984 [15:55:02] <p90x> I would ideally like to prevent it from
locking.
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1988 [15:55:43] <greycat> Which screensaver is being run, and by
whom, and why?
1989 [15:55:58] <greycat> Are there any other symptoms? Any errors
in dmesg, for example? Is the system clock stable?
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1992 [15:56:58] <p90x> It's just the default screensaver.
Yes, everything is normal when this happens bluetooth gets turned on
normally and the automatic sleep is enabled afterwards. I
uninstalled bluetooth and the power management and it still does it.
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1994 [15:57:27] <greycat> There is no such thing as "the
default" anything in Debian.
1995 [15:57:46] <p90x> The default for this OS. Tiles. Nothing
special.
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1999 [15:58:49] <p90x> Can I just delete the lock screen?
2000 [15:59:01] <greycat> Which desktop environment or window
manager are you running? Which screen saver program is being run? If
you don't know, say that, but then we have to find out a way
that you can find out. Perhaps you can switch to a VC with
Ctrl-Alt-F2 while it's running, login there, and use
"top" or "ps" to find out what is running.
2001 [15:59:06] <karlpinc> p90x: If it were me I'd try to
isolate the problem by running the disk oprations in a console, and
not login to the GUI at all. If it still happens, it's
something in the OS/hardware. Otherwise look to the GUI for
problems.
2002 [15:59:09] <karlpinc> !vt
2003 [15:59:10] <dpkg> rumour has it, vt is Virtual Terminal, like
the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc.
To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most
likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also
used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD
counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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2011 [16:02:43] <p90x> I was never very good at working in the
terminal alone. I'm using mate. Sorry, I don't have a lot
of experience in Linux atm but this was supposed to be my main
workstation. It was downloading before and when I woke up this
morning, it was locked. It was not set to lock at all.
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2014 [16:03:34] <p90x> Everything was closed and when it does
this, it closes everything so it's frustrating when you're
doing important works and it does this.
2015 [16:03:40] <greycat> So the screen saver could just be run
because the system was left idle for 8 hours, not because of any
copying?
2016 [16:04:04] <p90x> Yes, the screen saver runs but it's
not set to lock when it does.
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2018 [16:04:32] <greycat> And when you enter your password in the
screen saver, you say that things have "closed"? As in
programs have exited?
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2020 [16:04:56] <cluelessperson> okay, I'm stuck unable to
configure my servers because I'm held up by this vlan problem.
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2022 [16:05:11] <karlpinc> p90x: Then maybe switch to, say, xfce4,
for a GUI. And use it's screensaver etc. At least that will
tell you something.
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2025 [16:05:29] <greycat> I'm not convinced that switching
desktops is the answer here.
2026 [16:05:38] <p90x> Yeah, the programs all quit.
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2028 [16:05:53] <greycat> At this point I'm wondering if the
system is actually *rebooting* and what he thinks is the screen
saver is really the display manager.
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2030 [16:06:21] <karlpinc> greycat: Your probably right that it is
not a particularly promising approach. Just something to try.
2031 [16:06:30] <BCMM> greycat: or just crashing x
2032 [16:06:31] <p90x> No, because it happened in like 5 minutes
after trying to copy something. The screen went black and it locked.
2033 [16:06:43] <greycat> BCMM: hmm, good point.
2034 [16:07:03] <karlpinc> logs logs logs
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2036 [16:07:21] <p90x> Right, where would I find any logs of this
2037 [16:07:23] <p90x> ?
2038 [16:07:52] <greycat> You definitely need to produce some more
information. ANY logs would be good. I already mentioned dmesg.
There's also uptime, journalctl, the contents of /var/log/,
~/.xsession-errors, etc.
2039 [16:08:18] <greycat> Just running uptime after you
"unlock" the system would tell us whether it rebooted.
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2041 [16:08:43] <karlpinc> p90x: /var/log/Xorg* would be the X
log. The timestamps in there (as well as multiple files/log history)
would tell you if it is X restarting.
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2047 [16:09:48] <p90x> Here's something: (mate-panel:12928):
GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 09:47:37.707: g_object_unref: assertion
'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
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2050 [16:11:10] <p90x> Looks like it did restart [ Thread-0 ]
Context initialized
2051 [16:11:10] <p90x> [ Thread-0 ] instance started.
2052 [16:11:10] <p90x> [ Thread-1 ] Component not installed
2053 [16:11:10] <p90x> [ Thread-1 ] Checking fallback components
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2055 [16:11:30] <greycat> What does "uptime" say?
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2058 [16:12:33] <p90x> Up 1 day.
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2060 [16:12:43] <p90x> load average: 2.49, 1.95, 1.46
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2066 [16:13:40] <p90x> Sorry I couldn't just google this.
I'm sure you guys are busy!!
2067 [16:13:42] <greycat> Not sure why you're hiding the
information we actually care about, but if "1 day and some
secret number of hours" is about what you think is correct,
then maybe BCMM's theory is right, and it's
"just" X crashing, not the whole system.
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2073 [16:14:39] <p90x> Here, jeeze 10:12:13 up 1 day, 20:06, 1
user, load average: 2.49, 1.95, 1.46
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2075 [16:15:07] <greycat> When you say the system
"locks" (screen saver + locker), how cretain are you that
it's really a screen saver, and not your ordinary login screen?
Do you have to enter your username + password, or just the password?
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2077 [16:15:34] <p90x> Just the password when it does happen.
2078 [16:15:48] <p90x> It is the ordinary lock screen.
2079 [16:16:12] <cluelessperson> p90x is it logging out
completely?
2080 [16:16:13] <p90x> Like if you clicked to lock the computer,
you would log into this screen.
2081 [16:16:40] <greycat> Well, you're going to need someone
who knows Mate to help you figure out how to configure that part of
it. At this point I'm mostly confused by the claim that other
programs *terminate* when this "lock screen" happens. That
is NOT normal.
2082 [16:17:15] <p90x> Well, I'm glad I know it's
something really crazy. I don't feel as bad for asking now.
2083 [16:17:26] <greycat> Coming back from
xlock/i3lock/xscreensaver/etc. should not cause other programs to
terminate.
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2085 [16:17:32] <BCMM> sounding more and more like a plain old
Xorg crash...
2086 [16:17:45] <greycat> He swears he's not logging in
again...
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2088 [16:17:58] <rant> I'd uncovered a bug a year or so ago
with a Netgear WG111v3 (RTL8168B chipset) that I thought was
exclusive to the rtl8168 driver, but last night someone came in here
with a different USB wifi dongle using the rt2800usb driver and it
had the same issue. The issue is that the cards seem to work but
forcibly deauth when using predictable interface names. I am not
sure WHAT to file a bug against.. kernel?
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2090 [16:18:04] <rant> systemd?
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2092 [16:19:58] <karlpinc> rant: If you don't know I'd
file against whichever you think will get the most attention. :-) It
can always be re-assigned.
2093 [16:20:21] <p90x> If it helps, things are moving kind of slow
right now. I am doing the same copy operation but it hasn't
failed.
2094 [16:20:22] <karlpinc> rant: But then I'm not a dev so
can't really speak to the best approach.
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2096 [16:21:40] <rant> karlpinc: fair enough.. I dont know how the
heck the predictable ifnames thing works exactly, but I assumed it
was handled by systemd.. and I can't for the life of me imagine
how it can be causing these devices to forcibly deauth right after
connecting to an AP
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2098 [16:22:01] <greycat> udev does part of it, definitely
2099 [16:22:46] <rant> now that I know its not limited to a single
device to driver, I consider it to be a more serious issue
2100 [16:22:59] <rant> s/to/or/
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2103 [16:25:23] <rant> also during working on this issue last
night, I seemed to be the only one active here and the rt2800usb
driver was not loading automatically as I thought it should, the
user was having to modprobe it to get the device to work at all..
and we had tried adding it to /etc/modules and it seemed to ignore
that, still wasnt loading the driver automatically on boot. Anyone
able to comment on this behavior at all?
2104 [16:25:29] <rant> Buster still has /etc/modules yet it didnt
seem to work
2105 [16:25:54] <rant> I had resorted to trying a systemd oneshot
to load the driver, which felt a bit ridiculous
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2110 [16:26:48] <karlpinc> rant: Did that work?
2111 [16:27:17] <rant> initially the report was no, but I may have
done it wrong.. I am not real systemd savvy
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2115 [16:28:10] <rant> sudo echo -e "[Unit]\nDescription=Load
Wifi\n[Service]\nType=oneshot\nExecStart=modprobe
rt2800usb\n[Install]\nWantedBy=multi-user.target" >
/etc/systemd/system/rt2800usb.service;systemctl enable
rt2800usb.service
2116 [16:28:26] <rant> is what I had instructed them to do based
on my limited systemd knowledge
2117 [16:28:34] <greycat>
replaced-url
2118 [16:29:07] <rant> ah
2119 [16:29:19] <rant> so I can't use a redirect with sudo..
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2121 [16:29:34] <greycat> redirection is done by the shell
*before* running the command
2122 [16:29:35] <colo-work> has anyone of you noticed changes in
behaviour of client hosts running the buster kernel and userland (as
compared to stretch) with busy NFS version 3 mounts?
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2124 [16:29:46] <rant> that doesn't seem to make any sense
2125 [16:30:09] <rant> how it can redirect something that
hasn't happened yet
2126 [16:30:32] <greycat> To run "/bin/echo hi >>
file", the shell first forks a subshell, then in the child
process, it closes stderr, reopens stderr in append mode to
"file", then exec()s /bin/echo.
2127 [16:30:42] <greycat> err, stdout not stderr
2128 [16:31:31] <rant> at which point the command runs as root,
but the file is open as the current user?
2129 [16:31:36] <greycat> That's basically everything shells
do. They're the plumber. They connect all the stuff together,
then open the valve and sit back and watch.
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2134 [16:33:56] <rant> hmm, well thats interesting I guess.. I
wasnt aware of that
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2138 [16:34:52] <rant> but the kernel should be autoloading the
rt2800usb driver when such a device aliased by it is plugged in,
no?! and adding that module to /etc/modules should make it load at
boot time.. ?
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2169 [16:47:12] <alkisg> rant: if you run `modinfo rt2800usb`, you
see all the usb aliases; the driver should be automatically loaded
when any of those devices are inserted; you can easily test that by
just inserting the driver; no need to manually load it from modules
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2178 [16:51:03] <mmp> Hello; I'm looking for `rpmlint` in
Debian 10 Buster; although {oldold,old,un}stable seem to have it,
stable doesnt -- anyone knows what would be the reason for this?
2179 [16:51:06] <rant> alkisg: yes.. I'm aware of all that..
my lapses in knowledge are with things recent.. I've been doing
this awhile.. just spent several years away.. so Linux 4.x and
systemd are a bit foreign to me. The issue I handled last night in
here was, this was NOT happening.. they were having to modprobe the
driver manually to make the device work.. and adding it to
/etc/modules did not help either, it still wasnt
2180 [16:51:12] <rant> being loaded
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2182 [16:51:23] <greycat> ,v rpmlint
2183 [16:51:25] <judd> Package: rpmlint on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6-2;
sid: 1.9-6; stretch: 1.9-6
2184 [16:51:35] <alkisg> rant: that would mean that the alias
didn't match
2185 [16:51:52] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2187 [16:52:09] <greycat> including a link to
replaced-url
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2189 [16:52:42] <greycat> "Invalid maintainer address"
with nobody fixing it, sounds like it's abandoned.
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2191 [16:52:52] <rant> alkisg: you'd think so.. but
you'd be wrong in that thought
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2194 [16:53:33] <alkisg> rant: sure, that's just what
happened to me when I was packaging some rtl drivers; can you
reproduce and give feedback?
2195 [16:53:58] <rant> alkisg: you can check for yourself Bus 001
Device 008: ID 148f:5372 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5372 Wireless
Adapter that this matches the aliases in the rt2800usb driver
2196 [16:54:26] <rant> alkisg: I can't reproduce cause I dont
have such a device
2197 [16:54:31] <mmp> greycat, thanks a lot for the pointers :)
2198 [16:54:42] <alkisg> OK; I thought it was you that was having
the issue, nvm
2199 [16:55:56] <rant> alkisg: no it was ZaZaGX having the issue,
about 12hrs ago, and I was the only one here.. I ran into a few
things that baffled me and trying to sort them out
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2202 [16:56:22] <alkisg> `udevadm monitor` while plugging in the
adapter helps in a few cases
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2207 [16:57:36] <alkisg> ,v firefox-esr
2208 [16:57:37] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates:
60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1;
buster: 60.7.2esr-1; jessie-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates:
60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
60.8.0esr-1; sid:
2209 [16:57:38] <judd> 60.8.0esr-1
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2215 [16:58:56] <rant> this paste was running
(lsmod;lspci;dmesg|tail -n 20) after unplugging and plugging in the
device
replaced-url
2216 [16:59:14] <rant> and I was a bit baffled as to why it didnt
load the driver
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2218 [17:00:20] <alkisg> Missing firmware, rt2870.bin?
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2221 [17:01:02] <rant> no, I'd checked that next with a
dmesg|grep firmware
replaced-url
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2223 [17:01:37] <rant> you'll notice the timestamp is way
before that previous paste's dmesg output
2224 [17:01:46] <alkisg> Maybe he had installed a conflicting
driver from github etc?
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2226 [17:02:04] <alkisg> Anyway, since he's not here to give
feedback, it's not worth it
2227 [17:02:30] <rant> hmm I hadn't considered that
possibility
2228 [17:02:34] <rant> a conflicting driver
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2231 [17:03:48] <rant> they had posted the debian wiki page and
mentioned installing the driver.. I assumed they meant the firmware
metioned on the debian wiki
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2234 [17:05:23] <humpled> seemed quite confusable
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2244 [17:09:44] <alkisg> When a release like jessie is archived,
is jessie-updates archived too, or only the packages from
main/contrib/non-free are then available?
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2247 [17:10:26] <humpled> updates are included in point upgrades
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2252 [17:11:36] <alkisg> humpled: `apt-cache policy firefox-esr`
in jessie currently tells me I can install either firefox 52 or 60;
if I move my sources.list to archive.debian.org, will I still be
able to install either of them?
2253 [17:12:19] <alkisg> firefox-esr 52 comes from component
"jessie", while firefox-esr 60 comes from
"jessie-updates" currently
2254 [17:13:02] <greycat> Please do not run a desktop on jessie.
It is not supported.
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2257 [17:13:33] <alkisg> greycat: no worries, it's one from
my 20 VMs, useful only for specific tasks like running ancient
software that doesn't run in newer versions,
2258 [17:13:41] <alkisg> ...so, could anyone answer this? ^
2259 [17:13:57] <greycat> It said "jessie-security:
60.8.0esr-1~deb8u1" in the bot's output
2260 [17:14:05] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
2261 [17:14:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb
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2262 [17:14:47] <alkisg> greycat: termbin.com/qf82
2263 [17:15:00] <alkisg> If I move my sources to
archive.debian.org, will I still be able to install either of them?
2264 [17:15:16] <greycat> If you DO WHAT THE BOT SAID... then you
wouldn't be asking whatever the hell you are asking.
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2267 [17:15:45] <greycat> Are you asking "will I still get
jessie-security packages if I drop the jessie security line"?
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2269 [17:15:58] <greycat> Why would you ASK that?!
2270 [17:16:07] <greycat> Why would you DO that?!
2271 [17:16:18] <alkisg> greycat: afaik, releases get archived to
archive.debian.org. So, jessie is already there, and will disappear
from security etc soon. Isn't that so?
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2274 [17:17:01] <greycat> Get:1
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2275 [17:17:05] <greycat> Get:2
replaced-url
2276 [17:17:07] <greycat> etc.
2277 [17:17:36] <humpled> !jessie-updates
2278 [17:17:36] <dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing
updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a
<point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were
included in point releases.
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2280 [17:17:50] <greycat> If the security packages are relocated,
we will UPDATE THE BOT FACTOID at that time.
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2282 [17:18:00] <greycat> jessie-updates is NOT jessie-security
2283 [17:18:10] <humpled> i don't know which one they're
talking about now
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2285 [17:18:46] <alkisg> greycat, humpled, I'm trying to
understand what happens to releases when they're archived. If
it helps better, I can ask about wheezy instead.
2286 [17:18:51] <humpled> <alkisg> When a release like
jessie is archived, is jessie-updates archived too, or only the
packages from main/contrib/non-free are then available?
2287 [17:18:52] <alkisg> Is this documented somewhere?
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2289 [17:19:06] <greycat> .... *plonk*
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2291 [17:19:46] <greycat> "I don't have an actual
support problem, so I'm going to INVENT ONE out of nothing, and
then when you 'fix' that and it turns out my troll
questions are still not answered, I'll just make up another
one!"
2292 [17:19:57] <BCMM> alkisg: sorry if somebody already linked
it, but if you're using jessie in 2019, it's important
that you read this
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2293 [17:20:00] <alkisg> greycat: having trust in others is a good
default
2294 [17:20:17] <alkisg> greycat: we have around 20 GB of
educational software that stopped being able to run after firefox
52, due to java
2295 [17:20:20] <greycat> He's not even using Debian as far
as I can tell. He's asking for some sort of psych experiment or
academic paper....
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2297 [17:20:27] <greycat> I *hate* you trolls.
2298 [17:20:32] <alkisg> I'm trying to find the best way to
make it available to schools, in any release
2299 [17:21:12] <alkisg> greycat: did we meet in any debconf? Why
so much hate?
2300 [17:22:00] <humpled> this is all so you can run a java
applet?
2301 [17:22:07] <BCMM> alkisg: in particular, that wiki page tells
you what your sources.list should look like for lts
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2303 [17:22:16] <alkisg> humpled: 20 GB of java applets, flash
software, old wine32 software etc
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2308 [17:22:56] <humpled> but now you have 60 installed
2309 [17:23:07] <alkisg> 60 what?
2310 [17:23:26] <humpled> 60.7, in your termbin
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2312 [17:23:55] <BCMM> alkisg: but also note that *not all jessie
packages are included in LTS*. i understand that you have a
requirement to use an unsupported browser, but have a look at the
wiki so you can at least minimise the unsupported packages
you're using
2313 [17:24:02] <alkisg> humpled: this isn't about my little
jessie VM; I want to make this software available for some hundred
schools
2314 [17:24:23] <alkisg> Imagine it like a "dosbox"
thing
2315 [17:24:51] <alkisg> Those that need an old educational
software, would be able to run it from there, at least until new
html5-based educational software is developed
2316 [17:25:19] <tkzv> Hello, I'm having troubles with the
package goldendict in Ubuntu. And their maintainer suggested filing
the bug to Debian. It's a feature request: to enable some
formats before the compilation qmake needs to be run with certain
parameters. How should I send this request?
2317 [17:25:20] <alkisg> BCMM: thank you, yeah, I was asking about
documentation on archived sources.list etc, reading...
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2319 [17:25:45] <SerajewelKS> !bts
2320 [17:25:45] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
2321 [17:25:49] <SerajewelKS> tkzv: ^
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2324 [17:26:47] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: You should not. File the
request against Ubuntu, let the Ubuntu maintainers push it up stream
if they don't want to do the work.
2325 [17:27:17] <BCMM> alkisg: you understand the security
implications of this, right? as in, there are packages in the
archive with *known, unfixed* vulnerabilities?
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2327 [17:27:49] <alkisg> BCMM: of course; the idea is to make a
jessie (or whatever else is suitable VM), and ship it to users, so
that they can run it inside whatever OS they might have
2328 [17:28:05] <alkisg> Currently, 1000+ of them have Ubuntu, and
I'm slowly migrating some of them to Debian
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2330 [17:28:18] <alkisg> And I believe some will run it inside
windows as well
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2332 [17:29:06] <jhutchins_wk> As someone who has had to try to
recover databases that use features deprecated in 2004, I have to
say that failure to maintain your software to current standards is
really short-sighted. Sooner or later you have total failure.
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2335 [17:29:26] <BCMM> oh i see, i only just realised that even
jessie's firefox package is too new...
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2338 [17:29:47] <humpled> so the VM will run the old firefox and
serve the applets to itself?
2339 [17:29:51] <alkisg> BCMM: apt-cache policy does show firefox
52 currently
2340 [17:30:22] <alkisg> humpled: yes, we've packaged them as
.deb applications that launch firefox in full screen mode etc; no
internet connectivity involved
2341 [17:30:44] <alkisg> I've given a debconf talk about it
in the past,
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2352 [17:34:35] <alkisg> (and btw that's why I was asking
about archives.debian.org instead of security, as I want that VM to
work after 2020-06-30 too)
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2354 [17:34:48] <alkisg> (in case someone does want to enable
internet in the VM and install some specific app)
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2356 [17:35:06] <alkisg> (and disable it afterwards, of course)
2357 [17:35:26] <tkzv> SerajewelKS: reportbug refuses to work. It
suggests using ubuntu-bug, which doesn't work because of buggy
authorization. Is there anything like Bugzilla? Or should I stop
wasting time and simply e-mail the maintainer?
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2359 [17:36:02] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: Ubuntu maintainer is nowhere
to be found. Admins think this is the only way.
2360 [17:36:12] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: You should deal with Ubuntu
maintainers and bugreports for Ubuntu problems.
2361 [17:36:45] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: If you have an abandoned
package there are ways to deal with that. You solicit a new
maintainer or discard the package.
2362 [17:36:57] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: It's Debian problem too.
Here's a bug:
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2363 [17:36:58] <judd> Bug
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2364 [17:37:06] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: You don't haul off and
demand help from a different distro.
2365 [17:37:33] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: If you really want to pursue
this in Debian, install Debian and verify that the issue exists
there, then report it.
2366 [17:37:59] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: I fixed my own probem in an
ugly way. I want it to be fixed properly for everybody else.
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2368 [17:38:34] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: Like I said, verify that
it's a valid issue in Debian and use the internal reporting
tools.
2369 [17:38:40] <BCMM> alkisg: would it perhaps be safer to use
one of the firefox forks that still has npapi, rather than a totally
abandoned browser?
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2371 [17:39:06] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: I'll mail the maintainer
then :)
2372 [17:39:34] <cluelessperson> alkisg you disconnected before.
:P
2373 [17:39:54] <alkisg> BCMM: it might indeed postpone the need
for a few years, and that might be enough; I wasn't aware there
were suck forks so I don't know if there are other dependencies
involved; which one do you have in mind?
2374 [17:40:07] <alkisg> cluelessperson: yeah work pc rebooted,
I'm remotely connected, sorry
2375 [17:40:08] <cluelessperson> I'm blocked. I've setup
systemd-networkd to create interfaces with netdev files, but they
get renamed by *something* in the syslog on boot
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2377 [17:40:33] <cluelessperson> `[ 4.870197] rename6: renamed
from uplink.103[ 4.939737] rename7: renamed from uplink.101`
2378 [17:40:33] <asterismo_l> hi
2379 [17:40:49] <asterismo_l> is there any good tutorial on how to
resize an encrypted LVM?
2380 [17:40:52] <cluelessperson> the other interfaces aren't
renamed for some reason.
2381 [17:41:01] <BCMM> alkisg: i think waterfox and pale moon
should both still run java applets
2382 [17:41:08] <alkisg> Ty, googling...
2383 [17:41:16] <asterismo_l> i used to have a 500GB encrypted LVM
but i changed to a new 1TB drive
2384 [17:41:28] <asterismo_l> so i want to resize it
2385 [17:41:39] <cluelessperson> asterismo_l
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2394 [17:45:41] <JyZyXEL> that article is not very up to date
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2397 [17:46:41] <JyZyXEL> not using lvreduce -r and leaving a
arbitrary "safety buffer"
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2401 [17:51:29] <netcrash> Clonezilla is debian based, any idea on
how to upgrade the kernel used by clonezilla to boot the menu? I
have very recent machines and the kernel does not boot from them.
2402 [17:51:35] <Crapoto> Hello guys. I'm gonna reinstall an
old asus eeepc, i would like to install a very light debian based
OS. Should I install Debian and LXQt or should i look to something
like SparkyLinux ?
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2405 [17:52:27] <BCMM> i'm not really clear on what
sparkylinux adds...
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2407 [17:52:46] <sybatwo> is there a specific "apt-get"
channel ?
2408 [17:52:47] * rant knows what it subtracts and that rules it out for
me
2409 [17:52:57] <BCMM> "fast, lightweight and fully
customizable OS which offers a few versions for different users and
different tasks" describes debian pretty well...
2410 [17:53:06] <BCMM> rant: what does it subtract?
2411 [17:53:15] <rant> BCMM: debian support and community :P
2412 [17:53:31] <Crapoto> So, i'll install Debian :)
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2416 [17:53:59] <BCMM> actually i'm genuinely confused by
this - there features list doesn't seem to make any effort to
distinguish it from plain debian
2417 [17:54:04] <BCMM> ^their
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2419 [17:54:44] <BCMM> i don't *think* it's just
"debian, except we're in charge of it", but they
should at least address that concern a bit...
2420 [17:55:00] <rant> I tend to think that about most
derivitives.. their key distinguishing feature is typically, loss of
the debian community and support, for no real benefit
2421 [17:55:52] <rant> ubuntu and devaun are the only two I can
think of that have really changed something somewhat significant..
2422 [17:56:46] <rant> and I'm not really impressed by either
of them.. heh.. just can see reasons why they diverged
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2424 [17:57:01] <greycat> There are a couple where the focus is
"we're adding these haxx0r packages, and we'll
support those, but for any other question, we want our users to go
bother #debian instead of us"
2425 [17:57:21] <greycat> But #debian is not going to support
those users.
2426 [17:57:51] <greycat> And most of them are completely
unskilled script kiddie wannabes.
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2428 [17:59:31] <Crapoto> Is LXQt ligther than XFCE ?
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2430 [17:59:46] <greycat> Try them both and see.
2431 [17:59:46] <rant> yeah well the community is the biggest
advantage of debian in my opinion.. and none of the derivitives have
that.. things like MX Linux only have forums, they dont even have
half the resources we do.. Ubuntu has all that but its different..
they require registration just to file a bug report for example..
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2433 [17:59:59] <rant> !de usage
2434 [17:59:59] <dpkg> i heard de usage is The HDD/RAM usages of
the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are
as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and
free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE
3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M
2435 [18:00:23] <greycat> rant: well, Ubuntu's target market
is raw beginners, so I can't even *imagine* the kinds of
questions they get
2436 [18:00:40] <rant> Crapoto: I don't recommend LXDE or
LXQT simply due to the use of wicd by default for network
management.. its a steaming pile of shit
2437 [18:00:46] <azeem> Ubuntu's target market is also
enterprise servers
2438 [18:00:50] <azeem> just saying
2439 [18:00:50] <greycat> *snort*
2440 [18:01:13] <Crapoto> Thank you, i'll stick to XFCE
2441 [18:01:15] <greycat> that's like saying Gentoo targets
enterprise servers because some Gentoo users installed it on their
servers once
2442 [18:01:29] <rant> yeah, I see both sides of that coin..
ubuntu appears not only more newbie friendly, but also very
enterprise cause it has the appearance of being commercially backed
with services like ubuntu one and such
2443 [18:01:50] <rant> they make it look more like a commercial OS
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2446 [18:03:00] <rant> Crapoto: personally I recommend MATE or
Cinnamon above all of them.. but XFCE would be my 3rd
recommendation.. but does that factoid I created help with your
question?
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2449 [18:03:52] <rant> I thought that information would be useful
to some people, and if so, or additional details would be desired, I
can update it for buster
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2452 [18:04:47] <tp43_> Hi, you some packages are docs, like I
install libopenjfx-java-doc, but then where are the docs?
2453 [18:05:05] <greycat> tp43_: dpkg -L pkgname will show you all
the files it gave you
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2457 [18:05:22] <greycat> also, when in doubt, you can start in
/usr/share/doc/pkgname/
2458 [18:05:45] <tp43_> greycat, thx
2459 [18:06:07] <tp43_> greycat /usr/share/doc/pkgname seems to
just have copyright and changelog.Debian.gz
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2461 [18:06:35] <BCMM> Crapoto: it probably depends on the
applications you use... if you often go and entire session without
loading any qt applications, or conversely without loading any gtk
applications, it would tip the balance in favour of the
corresponding DE
2462 [18:06:42] <BCMM> just because of shared libs
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2464 [18:06:54] <BCMM> ^go for an entire session
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2478 [18:14:45] <g0zzy> I haven't had X errors for a long
time but this particular box with buster doesn't seem to handle
the display properly with Mate. How can i find out why and get the
desktop looking right? At the moment there's no panel at all
showing
2479 [18:15:48] <greycat> Look for firmware errors in dmesg,
ponder whether you need to install some nvidia driver (or whether
your chipset is even supported at all), look for the X log and the
.xsession-errors files.
2480 [18:16:07] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
2481 [18:16:08] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are
on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in
~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
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2483 [18:16:50] <g0zzy> No apparent firmware errors
2484 [18:17:09] <alkisg> alt+ctrl+t gives you a terminal,
mate-panel --replace restarts the panel, do you see any errors?
2485 [18:17:48] <rant> g0zzy: sounds as though your display mode
is misconfigured on the monitor... perhaps you need to trigger an
auto-adjust feature to change the horizontal size
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2487 [18:18:27] <rant> many displays automatically remember
geometry based on the display mode.. sounds like your mode is
stretched beyond the bounds of the visible screen
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2489 [18:19:03] <g0zzy> A lot of this in the X log: "Failed
to get GBM bo for flip to new front"
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2492 [18:19:58] <g0zzy> Followed by "present flip
failed"
2493 [18:20:15] * rant tries to avoid mixing BMs and BO with technology
problems
2494 [18:20:34] <nixew> I'm trying to start Packet Tracer
7.2.1 and the only thing it says is "Starting Packet Tracer
7.2.1" and it ends doing anything afterwards. Any ideas
what's wrong?
2495 [18:20:43] <nixew> I'm using Debian 10.0
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2499 [18:21:06] <g0zzy> Replacing the panel didn't do
anything to make one appear
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2501 [18:21:11] <rant> nixew: wtf is Packet Tracer 7.2.1?
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2503 [18:21:19] <rant> ,i wireshark
2504 [18:21:21] <judd> Package wireshark (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: network traffic analyzer - meta-package. Version:
2.6.8-1.1; Size: 49.0k; Installed: 63k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2505 [18:21:34] <g0zzy> I tried lower sized displace settings and
still no panel appeared
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2507 [18:21:52] <alkisg> g0zzy: so, what was the output of
`mate-panel --replace` ?
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2509 [18:22:31] <alkisg> g0zzy: also, can you pastebin the output
of `xrandr` and of `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 3 VGA` ?
2510 [18:22:36] <nixew> rant: can't you try a search engine
to find out? Are you really asking me this?
2511 [18:22:39] <g0zzy> I'll try it again to see
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2513 [18:23:17] <rant> nixew: are you really asking US this? Its
proprietary software, you should be asking the people who wrote it
2514 [18:24:25] <humpled> bof
2515 [18:24:27] <rant> not only is it proprietary software, but
seems to require enrollment to even access it.. so how am I suppose
to support something I never heard of and cant get my hands on?
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2517 [18:25:03] <g0zzy> lspci:
replaced-url
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2523 [18:27:05] <alkisg> g0zzy: this is fine; output of `xrandr`
and `mate-panel --replace` ?
2524 [18:27:10] <Bushmills> sounds like a case for strace
2525 [18:27:42] <g0zzy> xrandr:
replaced-url
2526 [18:28:16] <alkisg> g0zzy: you have 2 monitors; mate-panel
will only show up in one of them; are both of them powered on?
2527 [18:28:43] <alkisg> E.g. it might be showing in the external
HDMI-1 monitor, and you're expecting it to show up in LVDS-1...
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2529 [18:29:05] <g0zzy> Ah i do have x11vnc running. Would that be
it? There's only one physical monitor
2530 [18:29:46] <rant> MATE will show the panel on the primary
display which in this case is LVDS-1
2531 [18:30:24] <alkisg> g0zzy: the system thinks you have two.
Try: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --same-as LVDS-1
2532 [18:30:31] <alkisg> or go to the control panel and make them
clones
2533 [18:30:46] <alkisg> This way you'll see if this is the
problem or not, and later take care the problem of the "phantom
display"
2534 [18:30:47] <g0zzy> Perhaps i should decomplicate. I'll
get rid of x11vnc
2535 [18:30:53] <rant> that probably isn't possible, they are
different aspects and resolutions
2536 [18:31:01] <alkisg> x11vnc doesn't touch outputs
2537 [18:31:18] <alkisg> rant: afaik it uses the biggest common
one in that case
2538 [18:31:36] <rant> a better diagnostic would probably be to
disable the other output
2539 [18:31:46] <alkisg> g0zzy: run this: mate-display-properties
2540 [18:32:02] <g0zzy> mate-panel --replace hangs with no output
2541 [18:32:03] <alkisg> This way it'll automatically revert
if you disable the wrong display
2542 [18:32:13] <alkisg> g0zzy: ok, this means it runs on the
other panel
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2544 [18:32:17] <alkisg> *other display
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2546 [18:32:41] <g0zzy> Anything i can do with ssh will help now
as that box is elsewhere
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2548 [18:32:51] <alkisg> g0zzy: fire up vnc again
2549 [18:32:57] <rant> if the panel is at the top, and the smaller
secondary display is oriented at 0 on the y axis, it should still be
visible
2550 [18:32:57] <g0zzy> OK
2551 [18:32:58] <alkisg> It doesn't interfere
2552 [18:33:30] <alkisg> g0zzy: wait.. isn't x11vnc showing
you both displays?
2553 [18:33:47] <alkisg> Maybe you have a bad client that only
shows the secondary monitor? Which client are you using?
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2555 [18:34:13] <rant> g0zzy: I find x2go to be far better
solution for full desktop and xpra to be better for individual apps
2556 [18:34:32] <rant> both work with existing ssh credentials
2557 [18:34:33] <asterismo_l> cluelessperson, will this apply to
this layout? i'm using a RAID-1 encrypted LVM
2558 [18:34:36] <asterismo_l>
replaced-url
2559 [18:34:38] <g0zzy> OK you're onto something. When i use
the vnc viewer i see two screens. One with panel one without
2560 [18:34:39] * alkisg has had so many stale session problems with
x2go that gave up on it years ago, and switched to x11vnc over ssh
2561 [18:35:09] <alkisg> g0zzy: ok, just run
mate-display-properties and set the layout you want
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2563 [18:36:55] <g0zzy> OK, It's a bit hard to see over VNC
as it's small. I might have to go to the box
2564 [18:37:37] <g0zzy> I don't get where IT'S getting
an extra display from
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2566 [18:37:58] <alkisg> Do you have an hdmi cable connected?
2567 [18:38:08] <alkisg> Is your main screen an external monitor
connected over hdmi?
2568 [18:38:18] <g0zzy> Yes. Excuse my ignorance but what IS
fLVDS-1?
2569 [18:38:29] <alkisg> Usually a laptop display
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2571 [18:38:57] <g0zzy> Well that's weird. This is a desktop
box connected via hdmi
2572 [18:39:11] <alkisg> Yeah intel does that :)
2573 [18:39:27] <alkisg> It also creates phantom eDP-1 displays as
well; you can disable them from grub
2574 [18:40:11] <alkisg> If this is NOT UEFI, you'd run: sudo
dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, and you'd put: video=LVDS-1:d and
you'd reboot
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2576 [18:40:24] <g0zzy> It IS uefi
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2578 [18:40:40] <alkisg> Then you need to manually edit
/etc/default/grub, put this there in the default cmdline, and run
update-grub
2579 [18:41:09] <alkisg> You can also disable the phantom display
from mate-display-properties or from xorg.conf, but this way
it's better, it's globally disabled
2580 [18:41:11] <g0zzy> Surely what i want is not the LVDS-1 but
hdmi1?
2581 [18:41:25] <alkisg> You can test from mate-display-properties
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2584 [18:41:49] <alkisg> If you're using an hmdi cable, I
believe you want to disable lvds-1
2585 [18:42:15] <g0zzy> When this box goes to the client, they
will be using VGA actually
2586 [18:42:26] <alkisg> Still not lvds-1 though
2587 [18:42:52] <g0zzy> I don't want to queer it for when it
gets moved to their premises
2588 [18:43:26] <alkisg> I've seen cases where the intel
driver gets confused if you have an hdmi cable but not a vga cable
2589 [18:43:33] <alkisg> If you're lucky, it might "just
work" with vga
2590 [18:43:42] <alkisg> If you're unlucky, they'll get
the same issue and you'll have to help them
2591 [18:44:11] <alkisg> AFAIK if you put this to grub though,
you're safe in both cases
2592 [18:44:22] <alkisg> Since that box doesn't have an lvds
output
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2594 [18:44:57] <g0zzy> OK but what's counter-intuitive to me
is that LVDS is the 'wrong' one ...
2595 [18:45:27] <alkisg> g0zzy: the d at the end means
"disable
2596 [18:45:28] <g0zzy> (so why would i be doing video=LVDS-1 in
grub?)
2597 [18:45:40] <alkisg> video=LVDS-1 : d (without spaces)
2598 [18:45:45] <alkisg> that d means disable
2599 [18:45:59] <g0zzy> Ah sorry - it's come out as an
emoticon here ;)
2600 [18:46:18] <alkisg> Google for this, with quotes:
"video=LVDS-1:d"
2601 [18:46:25] <humpled> heheh
2602 [18:46:28] <alkisg> You'll see others with the same
problem
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2604 [18:47:22] <annadane> i see you searched for video=LVDS-1:d.
did you also mean: shopping best deals?
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2608 [18:49:12] <g0zzy> OK, going to give it a try
2609 [18:49:32] <alkisg> g0zzy: btw which kernel is that?
2610 [18:50:27] <g0zzy> 4.19.0-5-amd64
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2612 [18:51:07] <g0zzy> Do i need to run update-grub?
2613 [18:51:13] <alkisg> Yes
2614 [18:51:27] <alkisg> grep video /boot/grub/grub.cfg =>
should have the line before you reboot
2615 [18:51:52] <alkisg> grep LVDS /boot/grub/grub.cfg, for fewer
lines... :)
2616 [18:52:11] <greycat> if you modified /etc/default/grub, yes.
2617 [18:52:35] <g0zzy> Err.. it doesn't!
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2623 [18:54:57] <g0zzy> Should i have put it in
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT?
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2625 [18:55:59] <g0zzy> Oops. Yes!
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2646 [19:11:21] <g------> How can I see if I'm running gnutls
or openssl?
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2648 [19:11:46] <g------> or nss
2649 [19:11:52] <greycat> You aren't "running"
either one. They're libraries. Each individual program may link
to one of them, or neither.
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2651 [19:12:02] <g------> Right but how do I find out which
package I have installed
2652 [19:12:03] <greycat> e.g. "ldd /usr/bin/curl"
2653 [19:12:03] <g------> Sorry
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2655 [19:12:18] <greycat> Installed? dpkg -l libssl\* libgnutls\*
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2659 [19:13:06] <greycat> If you have multiple web browser
programs (lynx, w3m, curl, etc.), each individual one may link to
one, or the other.
2660 [19:13:20] <g------>
replaced-url
2661 [19:13:28] <g------> gnutls it seems?
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2666 [19:13:55] <greycat> lynx uses libgnutls, wget uses
libgnutls, curl uses libssl, ...
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2672 [19:15:46] <g------> thank you
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2674 [19:17:29] <nixew> Alright, a different question. Is it
possible to install libpng12-0 on Debian 10? There is one for
"jessie" and one for "sid" (only for arm64
architecture).
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2676 [19:18:16] <twanny796> Loaded: loaded
(/lib/systemd/system/cyrus-imapd.service; enabled; vendor preset:
disabled)
2677 [19:18:16] <twanny796>
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2679 [19:18:46] <greycat> You can try to install the jessie
package, and see how it goes. Old libraries are usually fairly
benign.
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2682 [19:19:16] <greycat> If the package has some weird conflict,
you can extract the .deb manually, toss the library in
/usr/local/lib/, and run ldconfig.
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2685 [19:21:15] <kreyren> how do i change debian release?
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2688 [19:21:31] <kreyren> apt.conf and sources.list config doesnt
seem to be sufficient
2689 [19:21:34] <nixew> greycat: it looks like it has a conflict -
unable to install new version of
'/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0': No such file or
directory
2690 [19:21:46] <kreyren> it still prefers current over others
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2692 [19:22:16] <kreyren> ~and they hate me on #debian-next~
2693 [19:22:17] <greycat> That's weird. I have libpng12-0
installed on my buster workstation, surely left over from god knows
what previous release.
2694 [19:22:33] <greycat> ,v libpng12-0
2695 [19:22:34] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 --
jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3
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2698 [19:22:56] <greycat> Yeah, that's the one I have.
2699 [19:22:59] <nixew> That's the one I tried to install.
2700 [19:23:33] <greycat> nixew: I'm wondering if it's a
usrmerge thing. That /usr/lib/ path might not exist on your system.
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2704 [19:24:24] <nixew> The path exists, but I can see
libpng16.so.16 there.
2705 [19:24:29] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jan 6 2017
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 -> libpng12.so.0.50.0
2706 [19:24:32] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jan 6 2017
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 ->
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0
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2708 [19:24:52] <greycat> Maybe the /lib/ path doesn't exist.
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2712 [19:25:56] <nixew> greycat: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 8
10:55 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16 -> libpng16.so.16.36.0
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2714 [19:27:09] <greycat> well, if both /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu exist then I don't know what's
causing the error. When in doubt, just extract it manually, drop the
library in /usr/local/lib, and run ldconfig.
2715 [19:27:43] <greycat> (that, or dig into the problem until you
find out what's causing that error)
2716 [19:28:45] <nixew> greycat: I have no idea how to dig into
this. I'll try to extract it there.
2717 [19:29:09] <twanny796> any help on cyrus?
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2726 [19:34:36] <g0zzy> Thanks folks - the video=LVDS-1:d move
worked a treat
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2735 [19:39:50] <nixew> greycat: thank you very much. I copied the
libpng12 file and its symbolic link to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
and problem solved.
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2744 [19:47:11] <zerocool> can someone confirm for me that the
default dhcp renew time for dhclient in buster is 3600 seconds
2745 [19:47:15] <zerocool> or correct me
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2747 [19:47:18] <zerocool> pretty please
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2754 [19:50:44] <tarzeau> zerocool: which dhcp client?
2755 [19:51:02] <zerocool> dhclient
2756 [19:51:20] <karlpinc> zerocool: You can look at the default
config at sources.debian.org. It will be somewhere in the
"debian" folder iirc.
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2762 [19:54:25] <Church-> Question on unattended-upgrade/apt -y
upgrade. Is there a way for me to determine if I need to reboot my
host after applying either of them? Doing this automatically through
a config management system.
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2764 [19:56:14] <zerocool> oh wait in /var/log/syslog i see
"bound to $IPADDRESS -- renewal in 1526 seconds."
2765 [19:57:02] <ksk> Hey guys. Has anyone successully passed
through GPU-device nodes to a LXC-container? I get following message
on container startup if I configured it to do that:
"cgroups/cgfsng.c: cg_legacy_set_data: 2191 Failed to setup
limits for the "devices" controller. The controller seems
to be unused by "cgfsng" cgroup driver" -- any Ideas
would be welcome. thanks!
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2767 [19:59:29] <Habbie> Church-, the 'needrestart'
package might be of interest
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2777 [20:04:30] <ksk> ++ for needrestart :)
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2797 [20:12:30] <steelwolf> I thought that if systemctl is saying
a service is enabled, it would start at boot without user
interaction. But I’m noticing my service is waiting for a
login, and then starting.
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2800 [20:13:47] <steelwolf> What am I missing that is causing my
service to wait for user login before starting?
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2819 [20:19:18] * jhutchins_wk casually wonders just how many things in
Linux could be called a service.
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2825 [20:21:03] <steelwolf> Either way running systemctl enable
<value> should cause it to run at startup, no? I feel like
I’m missing something obvious.
2826 [20:21:16] <jhutchins_wk> steelwolf: Does it require a GUI?
2827 [20:21:33] <SerajewelKS> steelwolf: enabling a unit
doesn't make it start at boot necessarily
2828 [20:21:49] <jhutchins_wk> Stx: It would probably help a LOT
if you told us what "service" you were working with.
2829 [20:22:14] <steelwolf> Fair enough, I am trying to do a
minimal debian installation to run docker.
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2832 [20:22:53] <SerajewelKS> for example, if the unit
doesn't declare that it's wantedby a unit that does start
automatically (such as multi-user.target) then enabling it
doesn't really do anything
2833 [20:23:03] <SerajewelKS> (well it might do something -- but
not start at boot)
2834 [20:23:19] <jhutchins_wk> !docker
2835 [20:23:19] <dpkg> it has been said that docker is #docker on
chat.freenode.net
2836 [20:24:09] <steelwolf> I assumed I was doing something dumb
with systemd and not with the docker installation but I can ask
there as well.
2837 [20:24:30] <Stx> jhutchins_wk: Im just gonna ignore that. ;o)
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2845 [20:29:22] <steelwolf> Hmm.
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2856 [20:35:32] <cbthree> /msg NickServ identify k13r0entr@r
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2863 [20:39:51] <lineageosfan> Yesterday I had asked in this
channel about a RAS software and which would be suited to connect in
a LAN. alkisg had recommended a solution to me. Unfortunately my
browser crashed after the chat. What was the name of the software
again?
2864 [20:40:08] <alkisg> lineageosfan: epoptes.org, I'm the
developer ;)
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2870 [20:42:37] <lineageosfan> alkisg: Thank you. Are you really?
2871 [20:42:49] <alkisg> ...see help > about :)
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2873 [20:43:29] <lineageosfan> :-)
2874 [20:45:26] <jhutchins_wk> steelwolf: I stay well away from
Docker, but I believe that the "spin up containers" is not
automatic by default.
2875 [20:45:47] <lineageosfan> OK. Thank you. I will install it.
See you.
2876 [20:45:55] <alkisg> yw
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2879 [20:47:12] <steelwolf> @jhutchins_wk yeah you have to set up
the containers to do that, but the overall docker itself should be
starting on boot like networking and everything else. At least,
it’s showing up in my systemctl list-units that way
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2907 [20:58:47] <sleepingforest> AppImage or Snap? Whats the
preferred tool?
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2911 [21:00:13] <diogenes_> app
2912 [21:01:08] <alkisg> dpkg :)
2913 [21:01:08] <dpkg> it has been said that ) is the smile part
of a face.
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2915 [21:02:00] <sleepingforest> dpkg is always preferred, but if
theres no latest version in testing or backports then i gotta use
something else
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2917 [21:02:00] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, sleepingforest
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2920 [21:02:36] <ayekat> I prefer packaging it myself, then
2921 [21:02:43] <wr> equivalent of "dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata" on deb 10?
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2923 [21:03:05] <sleepingforest> dpkg thanks
2924 [21:03:05] <dpkg> gern geschehen, sleepingforest
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2926 [21:05:02] <greycat> !literal thanks
2927 [21:05:03] <dpkg> "thanks" is "<reply>
$who: (that's ok|no problem d00d|sweet as, enjoy|no, no ...
thank YOU!|you're welcome|OMGNPLOLS)"
2928 [21:05:04] <diogenes_> good bot dpkg :)
2929 [21:05:10] <greycat> that's... interesting
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2937 [21:09:46] * alkisg wonders what OMGNPLOLS is..
2938 [21:10:22] <ratrace> omg np lols
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2940 [21:11:36] <diogenes_> Omgnplols looks like a greek last
name.
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2943 [21:13:52] * alkisg guesses diogenes_ isn't greek ;)
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2953 [21:16:06] * diogenes_ is Diogenes Papachristodoulopoulos
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2956 [21:17:13] <alkisg> Hehe
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2962 [21:20:41] <Stereo> Hi everyone
2963 [21:21:25] <diogenes_> hi
2964 [21:21:39] <Stereo> I have these two xen VMs, and one is
giving me a xen console, and the other one isn't. I'm
trying to understand why so that I can get a console on both
machines, to have a safety net when I upgrade from stretch to buster
on that vm.
2965 [21:22:12] <Stereo> syslog says: Aug 5 16:56:01 Ucalegon
systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Serial Getty on hvc0.
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2968 [21:23:47] <Stereo> Looking at the systemctl status, it says:
Aug 05 18:23:16 Ucalegon.stereo.lu systemd[1]:
serial-getty@hvc0.service: Job serial-getty@hvc0.service/start
failed with result 'dependency'.
2969 [21:24:09] <Stereo> What that dependency is and why one
machine has it and the other one doesn't is, so far, mysterious
to me.
2970 [21:25:28] <karlpinc> Stereo: It _could_ be a systemd
dependency. (I'm not so good with systemd.) In which case a
'systemd status', or varient, might say that there's
something that's not running.
2971 [21:25:41] <Habbie> (systemctl status)
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2975 [21:27:16] <Stereo> Yeah neither am I, trying to learn the
hard way :)
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2977 [21:27:45] <Stereo> Nothing in systemctl status looks
relevant
2978 [21:27:52] <Stereo> I'll compare packages maybe
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2981 [21:29:05] <cbthree> i installed buster on my samsung
chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have
is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from
built in microphone. Since i did not get any answers here i asked in
#pulseaudio and then #alsa. No solution so far
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2985 [21:31:46] <cbthree> i have to point out that sound works
fine but the internal microphone does not
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2994 [21:39:28] <greycat> So, it turns out that having really
really old /etc/nsswitch.conf (lenny? etch?) makes NIS not so happy
in Debian 10. And then editing the file by hand but screwing up the
"shadow" line because it has fewer fields than the first
two, and not noticing... is also bad. Who knew.
2995 [21:39:49] <diogenes_> cbthree, arecord -l pastebin
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2997 [21:40:20] <greycat> There was one point where I could login
as root but not myself, and another point where I could login as
myself (NIS authentication) but not root (because /etc/shadow was
broken by the nsswith.conf error).
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2999 [21:41:30] <ksk> greycat: welcome to buster ;)
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3001 [21:42:05] <greycat> This is my 5th buster upgrade overall.
The first one to encounter that *particular* issue.
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3004 [21:42:40] <Stereo> Ok, found it, it was udev that was
missing
3005 [21:42:54] <Stereo> Thank you karlpinc and Habbie
3006 [21:43:37] <greycat> My oldest note for this system says
"2009-02-27: Upgraded to Debian 5.0 (lenny)" so it was
probably a pre-lenny nsswitch.conf file.
3007 [21:44:33] <Stereo> greycat: if you can still find references
to floppies in sources.list, you know it's old :)
3008 [21:44:55] <greycat> Not in sources.list, but every time it
builds an initramfs, I get warnings about floppies.
3009 [21:44:59] <cbthree>
replaced-url
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3011 [21:45:11] <Stereo> Hehe
3012 [21:45:34] <greycat> /etc/kernel-img.conf:do_bootfloppy = no
3013 [21:46:20] <cluelessperson> I was hoping someone could help
me with something. I'm creating vlan netdevs with
systemd-networkd, and they seem to be made correctly, but
they're getting renamed by the kernel at boot, not sure why.
3014 [21:46:28] <cluelessperson> [ 4.870197] rename6: renamed from
uplink.103[ 4.939737] rename7: renamed from uplink.101
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3021 [21:51:40] <cbthree> diogenes_, any suggestions?
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3024 [21:54:11] <diogenes_> cbthree, in /etc/pulse/default.pa just
above the line module-udev-detect.so, add this: load-module
module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0
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3026 [21:54:27] <diogenes_> save, close, run: pulseaudio -k, check
the mic
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3030 [21:55:35] <cluelessperson> I'm honestly completely
stuck
3031 [21:56:23] <diogenes_> cbthree, if that one won't work
then change that line to this one: load-module module-alsa-source
device=hw:1,0
3032 [21:56:49] <diogenes_> instead of =hw:0,0 chabge to =hw:1,0
3033 [21:57:03] <diogenes_> and pulseaudio -k
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3042 [22:02:35] <cbthree> pulseaudio -k as a normal user or as
root?
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3048 [22:05:13] <diogenes_> no root
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3050 [22:05:20] <Intelo> how in the world do I install dell bios
drivers with no hdd?
3051 [22:05:22] <cbthree> ok
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3070 [22:11:46] <cbthree> diogenes_, i did what you told me but
the issue remains the same
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3072 [22:12:03] <tarzeau> there's no secret or unknown to me
thing like marketing for debian, ala omgubuntu?
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3076 [22:12:28] <diogenes_> cbthree, then your best bet would be a
newer kernel.
3077 [22:12:35] <asterismo_l> i upgraded a system from debian 8 to
debian 9 and debian 10 today
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3079 [22:13:00] <asterismo_l> i had installed
mysql-community-server 5.7 in debian 8
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3081 [22:13:14] <asterismo_l> and after dist-upgrading mysql is
not working
3082 [22:13:26] <asterismo_l> where can i get some help with this?
3083 [22:13:51] <cbthree> diogenes_, i am running Debian
4.19.37-5+deb10u1 (2019-07-19) and someone told to upgrade to 5.2
but there is not 5.2 in the debian repo
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3086 [22:14:16] <tarzeau> cbthree: and you audio in (micro)
doesn't work?
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3089 [22:14:33] <cbthree> tarzeau, no
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3091 [22:14:53] <qubenix> cluelessperson: found this, hope it
helps.
replaced-url
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3094 [22:15:04] <tarzeau> cbthree: what is it that you need 5.2?
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3098 [22:15:57] <cbthree> i was told the latest kernel has some
patches and fixes some audio isssue
3099 [22:15:59] <cluelessperson> qubenix Thank you so much. That
seems to be exactly what is happening
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3111 [22:23:11] <karlpinc> qubenix: Urgle. I wonder why that fixes
it.
3112 [22:23:47] <Sleaker> ,v lxc-net
3113 [22:23:48] <judd> No package named 'lxc-net' was
found in amd64.
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3115 [22:23:57] <Sleaker> was lxc-net never a package?
3116 [22:24:28] <greycat> judd goes back to jessie, I think
3117 [22:24:54] <greycat> ,v bash
3118 [22:24:55] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- jessie:
4.3-11+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.3-11+deb8u2; stretch: 4.4-5;
bullseye: 5.0-4; buster: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4
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3130 [22:31:31] <cbthree> this internal mic not working issue is a
bit too much a for a newbie
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3135 [22:32:54] <karlpinc> cbthree: I've not been following.
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3137 [22:33:01] <karlpinc> !alsa-checklist
3138 [22:33:01] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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3142 [22:33:42] <karlpinc> cbthree: Could also be non-free
firmware. (possibly) Did you install with the unofficial installer
containing non-free firmware?
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3146 [22:35:34] <cbthree> sound works ok. i can listen to music,
watch videos with sound. the only thing that does not work is the
internal mic and in #alsa and #pulseaudio they told me to buy a usb
sound card because my hardware is problematic
3147 [22:36:06] <tarzeau> cbthree: so now you know. some hardware
sucks
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3149 [22:36:30] <tarzeau> or you download from
replaced-url
3150 [22:36:39] <tarzeau> cbthree: unpack it, and build it,
it's not rocket science.
3151 [22:36:49] <greycat> I thought we already went over this last
week... or whas that a different person?
3152 [22:36:58] <karlpinc> cbthree: There are instructions in the
debian kernel handbook.
3153 [22:37:07] <tarzeau> i think it's the same, and i saw
reddit postings about the exact same thing, lol
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3155 [22:37:15] <cbthree> tarzeau, compiling a kernel is not
something a newbie should be expected to do to fix a problem on a
computer which was a present
3156 [22:37:19] <karlpinc> !kernel handbook
3157 [22:37:19] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook
replaced-url
3158 [22:37:34] <greycat> cbthree: then what do you expect us to
do?
3159 [22:37:38] <tarzeau> cbthree: you know my answer. you should
only run software that you can build yourself
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3161 [22:37:53] <tarzeau> cbthree: cd /usr/src; wget
replaced-url
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3165 [22:38:37] <karlpinc> cbthree: When the manufacturers keep
secrets it takes time for volunteers to reverse engineer and write
code to make the hardware work.
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3167 [22:39:18] <cbthree> tarzeau, would it not be better to do:
apt-get install linux-image-5.2.6-amd64 ???
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3169 [22:39:30] <tarzeau> cbthree: you can do that, but first you
have to build it :)
3170 [22:39:42] <BCMM> tarzeau: that won't work, because that
kernel is not in debian's repos
3171 [22:39:48] <BCMM> sorry, meant to highlight cbthree there
3172 [22:39:57] <greycat> cbthree: do you think we're going
to wave a magic wand and make new packages appear on your mirror?
3173 [22:40:02] <BCMM> cbthree: debian does not package every
single upstream kernel release
3174 [22:40:08] <tarzeau> BCMM: one can make their own packages
using reprepro you can even have your own repository
3175 [22:40:18] <tarzeau> greycat: yeah :) i will
3176 [22:40:49] <tarzeau> cbthree: but once your mic is unmuted,
you'll get muted in here, deal?
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3178 [22:41:33] <cbthree> tarzeau, ?
3179 [22:42:28] <tarzeau> cbthree: i have my copy, and you? now
run: tar xzvf linux-5.2.6.tar.xz
3180 [22:42:34] <BCMM> tarzeau: by the way, why build the kernel
in /usr/src?
3181 [22:42:42] <cbthree> tarzeau, was told to try debian
backports but 5.2 is not there
3182 [22:42:44] <BCMM> you should build as a regular user, and let
apt handle /usr/src
3183 [22:42:48] <greycat> he's a traditionalist
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3185 [22:42:49] <wr> tzselect
3186 [22:43:07] <greycat> cbthree: nobody *here* told you that
there was a backport of 5.2, I hope
3187 [22:43:09] <greycat> ,kernels
3188 [22:43:10] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-6); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u4); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u4~deb8u1)
3189 [22:43:18] <greycat> As you can clearly see, judd
doesn't show one.
3190 [22:43:22] <BCMM> greycat: i was gonna guess "gentoo
user"
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3193 [22:43:50] <greycat> I'm almost certain that we told
you, last week, that you should download the upstream source code
and build your own kernel .deb.
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3195 [22:44:23] <cbthree> do i need more than 500 MB in my
/usr/src to build a kernel?
3196 [22:44:31] <greycat> Probably.
3197 [22:44:40] <tarzeau> cbthree: it unpacked into 1 GB for me
3198 [22:44:46] <greycat> But you don't have to build it
*there*. Do you have space somewhere else?
3199 [22:44:49] <tarzeau> cbthree: it can be anywhere, must not be
/usr/src
3200 [22:45:04] <cbthree> i have less than 700MB left in my /
partition
3201 [22:45:24] <greycat> How about in your porn partition?
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3203 [22:45:54] <cbthree> my hd is 16 gig (yes, sixteen gigabytes
and it is soldered to the mainboard). No space to add a second hd
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3205 [22:46:36] <greycat> And you *partitioned* it?
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3207 [22:46:42] <cbthree> yes
3208 [22:46:48] <greycat> gods, why
3209 [22:46:55] <tarzeau>
replaced-url
3210 [22:47:04] <BCMM> one of those blog posts that advises that
/var/ /usr/ and /boot all have to be on different filesystems?
3211 [22:47:12] <tarzeau> cbthree: throw that crap away, buy the
usb soundcard (attached to a real computer)
3212 [22:47:22] <cbthree> i was recommend to create a swap
partition and a /home partition
3213 [22:47:23] * tarzeau gives up, gets some wodka, cheers
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3215 [22:47:42] <greycat> Did the person who made that
recommendation KNOW that your whole hard drive was only 16 GB?
3216 [22:48:10] <greycat> Do you have another computer of the same
architecture that you can build the kernel on?
3217 [22:48:23] <BCMM> i skimmed the scrollback but i might have
missed it: has the actual sound problem been discussed? or upgrading
the kernel just something that "somebody" said cbthree
should do?
3218 [22:48:24] <cbthree> tarzeau, drinking vodka will not solve
your problems and certainly will not solve mine either
3219 [22:48:27] <BCMM> ^or is upgrading
3220 [22:48:46] <tarzeau> cbthree: i like the taste. it's not
for solving any problems. i enjoy it
3221 [22:49:03] <BCMM> would probably be good to rule out the
simple stuff like wrong mixer settings
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3223 [22:49:30] <cbthree> tarzeau, don't drive and d(riv)e
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3225 [22:49:47] <cbthree> after drinking vodka, that is
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3228 [22:50:21] <tarzeau> i've got a private pilot, wtf do
you think?
3229 [22:51:03] <cbthree> i use public transportation myself. i
can not afford a car
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3231 [22:51:31] <cbthree> not even a matchbox one!
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3236 [22:53:17] <cbthree> gotta go. will be back later. thanks
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3238 [22:53:29] <cluelessperson> qubenix Thank you so much. That
seems to be exactly what is happening. However, that file does not
exist on debian?
3239 [22:53:35] <cluelessperson> I don't know what's
causing udev to do this
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3243 [22:54:22] <qubenix> sorry, cluelessperson, i'm not
familiar myself. just did some searching for you. good luck.
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3252 [22:58:22] <cluelessperson> Does anyone know what could be
renaming netowrk interfaces after they're created by
systemd-networkd?
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3266 [23:04:26] <cluelessperson> I don't know what to do
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3270 [23:04:58] <cluelessperson> For some reason, some of my
interfaces created by systemd-networkd netdev files are being
renamed
3271 [23:05:14] <cluelessperson> it might be udev renaming them,
but it doesn't make sense why it'd rename some of them,
and not others
3272 [23:05:20] <cluelessperson> and I can't find the rules
responsible
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3276 [23:08:17] <dvs> it might be because there exists
70-persistent-net in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory
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3295 [23:18:54] <karlpinc> cluelessperson: Check the buster
release notes for network renaming.
replaced-url
3296 [23:19:13] <karlpinc> I don't know that there's
answers there. But you could probably just turn off interface
renaming.
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3322 [23:34:29] <cluelessperson> karlpinc interesting, but I
can't find why it's renaming it after I've set it up
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3328 [23:36:38] <swift110> sup folks
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3335 [23:38:50] <dvs> yo yo yo
3336 [23:39:45] <cluelessperson> yo
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3338 [23:41:14] <swift110> how are you dvs and cluelessperson
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3341 [23:41:33] <cluelessperson> bored out of my mind and stuck on
a ***** stupid issue
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3343 [23:44:04] <swift110> oh ok whats wrong cluelessperson
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3345 [23:44:41] <cluelessperson> swift110 I'm creating
interfaces at boot using netdev files with systemd-networkd, the
interfaces are being renamed from uplink.101 to rename7 and etc
3346 [23:44:54] <cluelessperson> so my creation is working,
something else is overwriting them
3347 [23:44:58] <swift110> cluelessperson, oh ok hope it gets
better
3348 [23:45:05] * swift110 has no clue what that was
3349 [23:45:23] <cluelessperson> however, there is no clue as to
what is renaming things
3350 [23:45:34] <cluelessperson> logs are sparse
3351 [23:45:46] <cluelessperson> kernel renamed thing to thing,
what part of the kernel and why?
3352 [23:45:50] <swift110> oh ok
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3356 [23:48:38] <cluelessperson> usually it's udev, but I
can't find any rules responsible
3357 [23:48:48] <swift110> oh i see
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3359 [23:49:27] <dvs> <dvs> it might be because there exists
70-persistent-net in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory
3360 [23:49:43] <dvs> I already said that
3361 [23:50:06] <cluelessperson> dvs ah, sorry I didn't
respond, but I did check for that, it doesn't exist
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3363 [23:50:57] <cluelessperson> dvs
replaced-url
3364 [23:52:30] <dvs> uh, debian doesn't put the dynamic
rules in /usr/lib/udev/rules.d
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3366 [23:53:16] <cluelessperson> dvs the find command starts at
root `/`
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3373 [23:57:56] <maxrazer> Does anyone know if dbus is not
installed by default? I think it is not if one doesn't install
task-desktop
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3375 [23:58:33] <rant> why would dbus be installed by
"default"?
3376 [23:58:33] <maxrazer> Also, does anyone know how to set
wallpaper? My wallpaper is set and I don't know what set it. It
might be feh. I installed XFCE and it added it, but I have no
program configuring it.
3377 [23:58:39] <rant> ,i dbus
3378 [23:58:40] <judd> Package dbus (admin, standard) in
buster/amd64: simple interprocess messaging system (daemon and
utilities). Version: 1.12.16-1; Size: 229.5k; Installed: 598k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
3379 [23:58:43] <maxrazer> rant, A lot of programs require dbus.
3380 [23:58:57] <rant> it says its tagged "standard"
3381 [23:59:27] <maxrazer> rant, I noticed that Hexchat and dunst
messaging started working and I think it happened after dbus was
installed probably by XFCE.
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3383 [23:59:37] <rant> dpkg, standard?
3384 [23:59:38] <dpkg> hmm... standard task is a "task"
that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage.
It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e.
"aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant").
Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask
me about <tasksel>.
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