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22 [00:13:58] <Epx998> Is it possible to skip the initial user
creation in a preseed?
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33 [00:16:59] <Sleaker> Epx998: iirc, no.
34 [00:17:29] <Epx998> ugh
35 [00:17:32] <Sleaker> Epx998: you can easily get around this
by just deleting the account in a late command
36 [00:17:55] <Sleaker> we setup a dummy account that has
it's settings overwritten on a package installation
37 [00:18:02] <Epx998> yeah, a bit silly that i cant skip it,
but yeah late command i guess
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39 [00:18:23] <Sleaker> like we have a custom 'users'
package that sets up all the users on the system that should be
there.
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41 [00:18:40] <kabo> huh... I rebooted and now my mic works like
a charm
42 [00:18:42] <kabo> doesn't seem to matter if I boot with
the usb mic plugged in or not
43 [00:18:59] <Epx998> i prefer to have my cm handle system
config and the install just install the os
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47 [00:19:20] <Sleaker> Epx998: for sure, my deploy case is
probably a lot different, (preboxed software)
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111 [00:58:54] <JonMichael85> Hey everyone
112 [00:59:33] <JonMichael85> Quick question, if I want a package
that is only on testing, in order to use apt-get do I have to move
my entire distro to testing or is there a way to just extract that
one package in the testing version with apt-get
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119 [01:04:19] <nkuttler> JonMichael85: which package?
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138 [01:14:25] <JonMichael85> sorry I have a very poor connection
139 [01:15:12] <JonMichael85> I'm attempting to get
dwarf-fortress, I'm currently on a pixelbook so I'm not
sure what extra packages I'd need, which is why I figured just
using apt-get would be the easiest way, but I'm also not sure I
want to take my entire system into testing
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141 [01:16:29] <awal1> check 'backports'
142 [01:16:41] <awal1> dpkg: backport
143 [01:16:42] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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144 [01:17:04] <awal1> dpkg: debian-backports
145 [01:17:04] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly
backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for
the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable
(<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian
developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read
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146 [01:17:34] <awal1> JonMichael85, first check if in ^
147 [01:18:22] <JonMichael85> ah gotcha, thanks @awal1
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152 [01:21:59] <JonMichael85> awal1 it doesn't appear to be
in stretch-backports
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164 [01:31:15] <JonMichael85> awal1 so if it's not in there,
is there another way to go about bringing in those packages?
165 [01:31:44] <JonMichael85> via apt-get commands anyways? my
goal is to have the application to automatically check for updates
also
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173 [01:38:31] <awal1> JonMichael85, not recommended and i am not
used to mix branches, so i can't really help you much about all
that, but basically just add the corresponding testing repository
(ies) and run apt-get update && apt-get -t testing install
yourpakg
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176 [01:38:39] <awal1> dpkg: frankendebian
177 [01:38:39] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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180 [01:39:19] <JonMichael85> awal1 actually, my error was
"The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for
APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the
sources" even though I followed" even though I followed
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181 [01:39:46] <JonMichael85> I googled it, and everyone just
referred back to the instructions page, but I followed those
instructions
182 [01:40:25] <awal1> bro, i am really clueless about installing
software from other branches, i never do, so wait maybe other folks
will inform you better
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184 [01:41:54] <JonMichael85> no problem awal1, thank you for
your help
185 [01:41:59] <joepublic> there is a pretty standard set of
instructions for backporting a package yourself
186 [01:42:13] <joepublic> not that I have any idea what it is,
mind you, just that I know that such a thing exists.
187 [01:42:25] <JonMichael85> haha, I'll try googling that
joepublic
188 [01:42:36] <JonMichael85> thanks guys for pointing me on the
right track
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259 [02:35:16] <n4dir> ##linux is a 24/7 show. in case you are
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310 [03:12:26] <awal1> anyone have worked out a an openbox action
to displace mouse (pointer) between displays (monitors) ?
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312 [03:12:44] <awal1> anyone have worked out a an openbox action
to displace mouse (pointer) between displays (monitors) via keyboard
a shortcut?
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329 [03:20:41] <rant> displace it between monitors?
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332 [03:21:02] <rant> maybe look into xdotool and wmctrl but idk
what you mean
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338 [03:24:42] <Deihmos> what is the difference selecting debian
desktop enviroment and gnome when installing?
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344 [03:29:55] <awal1> rant, if i have the mouse pointer in
monitor 1 , I want to move it to monitor 2 via keyboard, no using
mouse. ( i am using <focusNew>yes</focusNew>,
<followMouse>yes</followMouse>)
345 [03:29:58] <toruvinn> Deihmos, just guessing here, but
it's just a different WM. the "debian desktop" goes
with some default id have to google. is it KDE? if KDE is not in the
list, then it's probably kde
346 [03:31:10] <toruvinn> i never pick naything there, cause it
tends to install 1024GB of stuff i dont need, i add fluxbox later.
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348 [03:31:44] <TheSledgehammer> I AM THE SLEDGEHAMMER
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350 [03:31:58] <TheSledgehammer> BANG! SMASH! BANG!
351 [03:32:29] <TheSledgehammer> I REFUSE TO PAY PROTECTION MONEY
TO THE MAFIA. I NEED NEW UNDERWEAR FOR MY GIANT NUTSACK
352 [03:33:29] <awal1> !ops TheSledgehammer spamming
353 [03:33:30] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
awal1 complains about a problem (see above)
354 [03:34:17] <TheSledgehammer> awall this is nit spam
355 [03:34:24] <TheSledgehammer> it legit truth
356 [03:34:32] <TheSledgehammer> i am the sledgehammer
357 [03:34:44] <TheSledgehammer> and the jews are after me for
money
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359 [03:37:07] <rant> awal1: xdotool can control the mouse I used
it with zenity to create a custom page scroller for my father
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361 [03:38:06] <rant> Deihmos: you can't select desktop
environment you have to pick one of the 7, gnome is just the default
if you dont change it
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363 [03:39:15] <awal1> rnat, ok, thanks. I will look what I can
do with 'xdotool
364 [03:39:23] <awal1> rant
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367 [03:39:54] <awal1> "debian desktop" are maybe just
a scripts for install the choosen desktop?
368 [03:40:14] <rant> awal1: xdotool mousemove 0 0 will move the
cursor to 0,0 pixels
369 [03:40:19] <usney2> I am trying to setup wifi via commandline
and my old script that I used last time to set it up isn't
working anymore.
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372 [03:41:04] <awal1> rant, you say if you just select
'debian desktop' gnome is chosen by default since it is
"the default>"?
373 [03:41:26] <awal1> well, maybe. i dont really know, i always
install minimal
374 [03:41:27] <usney2> trying to use this guide
375 [03:41:28] <usney2>
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376 [03:41:49] <rant> ,depends task-desktop
377 [03:41:50] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 --
depends: tasksel (= 3.39), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all,
xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base.
378 [03:41:56] <rant> ,recommends task-desktop
379 [03:41:57] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 --
recommends: task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop |
task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop |
task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop, xdg-utils, avahi-daemon,
libnss-mdns, anacron, eject, iw, alsa-utils.
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382 [03:42:36] <rant> by default debian-installer will also
select task-gnome-desktop in tasksel but if you dont choose one all
you get is desktop-base and xorg
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386 [03:43:54] <rant> usney2: you need to possibly upload your
script to paste.debian.org, and tell us specifically what happens
when you run it
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388 [03:44:12] <usney2> okay
389 [03:44:13] <rant> otherwise you've not told us anything
we can help with so far
390 [03:44:30] <usney2> okay
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394 [03:46:58] <usney2> nevermind rant
395 [03:47:03] <usney2> I fixed my problem
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397 [03:47:35] <usney2> I used a broken old script first by
accident and i restarted my computer and ran the good one now all is
good
398 [03:48:22] <usney2> it wasn't a bad script just an old
interface name that my wifi isn't called by anymore
399 [03:49:34] <usney2> Hi rant
400 [03:50:35] <usney2> I got a question is there any admin tools
you'd recommend to make a headless ssh server run easier for
upgrades?
401 [03:50:52] <usney2> like how do I solve the have to restart
once in a while for updates?
402 [03:51:40] <rant> um.. don't restart?
403 [03:51:43] <usney2> like maybe have the normal user without
root privileges auto login once it restarts after the upgrade?
404 [03:51:50] <usney2> like what about kernel updates?
405 [03:52:00] <rant> use kexec
406 [03:52:16] <usney2> thank you so much rant
407 [03:52:30] <usney2> debian kicks ass you guys do a great job
408 [03:52:56] <rant> we're just users like you, that hang
out here and answer questions
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410 [03:54:28] <usney2> my old laptop is renewed with a new
purpose now. It is no longer usable as a GUI computer anymore too
slow but as a command line computer it is user duper fast
411 [03:54:59] <Masterphi> how do I get the package rapidjson in
jessie?
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413 [03:55:08] <usney2> I use it as a streaming/cloud ssh server
414 [03:55:11] <rant> yeah well I was just about to build a
cluster out of 4 broken laptops myself
415 [03:55:27] <rant> ,v rapidjson
416 [03:55:28] <judd> No package named 'rapidjson' was
found in amd64.
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418 [03:55:41] <Deihmos> rant: there is an option for several but
debian desktop environment is selected as default. below it has
gnome and several others
419 [03:56:10] <Deihmos> it seems debian desktop environment and
gnome are the same
420 [03:56:21] <rant> ,v rapidjson-dev
421 [03:56:22] <judd> Package: rapidjson-dev on amd64 -- stretch:
0.12~git20141031+dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.0+dfsg2-3~bpo9+1;
sid: 1.1.0+dfsg2-4; buster: 1.1.0+dfsg2-5
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423 [03:56:43] <rant> ,depends rapidjson-dev
424 [03:56:44] <judd> Package rapidjson-dev in stretch/amd64 --
depends: .
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428 [03:59:14] <rant> Masterphi: download it manually and use
dpkg -i to install it
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429 [03:59:45] <rant> Masterphi: thats the buster version.. seems
like the newest one on the repos
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431 [04:00:25] <Masterphi> neat, will try. thanks
432 [04:00:26] <rant> Masterphi: it has no dependencies and is
merely a C library, so it will cause no conflicts
433 [04:01:24] <rant> Deihmos: if you were to unselect GNOME
I'd imagine it'd only install task-desktop and you'd
have nothing but an xorg and desktop-base
434 [04:01:55] <rant> Deihmos: its intended that you choose one
or more of the task-<foo>-desktop packages listed below
435 [04:02:18] <Deihmos> you mean if i unselect debian desktop
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437 [04:02:31] <rant> I mean if you unselect gnome
438 [04:02:35] <rant> which is what I said
439 [04:02:47] <Deihmos> debian desktop is what is selected
440 [04:03:07] <Deihmos> if i unselect that i chose gnome it is
the same thing
441 [04:03:21] <Deihmos> just find it weird that they have 2 of
the same as an option
442 [04:03:35] <rant> ,depends task-gnome-desktop
443 [04:03:36] <judd> Package task-gnome-desktop in stretch/amd64
-- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, gnome-core.
444 [04:04:00] <rant> Deihmos: its not the same thing the desktop
is task-desktop which task-gnome-desktop depends on
445 [04:04:13] <rant> Deihmos: if you unselect gnome you get only
task-desktop
446 [04:04:29] <rant> I've said this at least 3 times now
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448 [04:05:10] <rant> If you're interested I have made a
list of each task-<foo>-desktop with their installed size
(amd64) and ram usage
449 [04:05:14] <rant> !de usage
450 [04:05:14] <dpkg> [de usage] The HDD/RAM usages of the 7
Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are as
follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and
free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE
3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M
451 [04:05:16] <Deihmos> i have no idea what you are talking
about. all i said is that debian desktop which is one of the options
and gnome are both the same
452 [04:05:26] <rant> NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME
453 [04:05:35] <rant> listen again for the last time now..
454 [04:05:36] <Deihmos> i just installed both in vm
455 [04:05:40] <Deihmos> exactly the same thing
456 [04:05:48] <rant> the first option is selecting task-desktop
457 [04:06:01] <rant> ,depends task-desktop
458 [04:06:02] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 --
depends: tasksel (= 3.39), xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all,
xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base.
459 [04:06:06] <Deihmos> i unselected debian desktop and selected
gnome
460 [04:06:16] <Deihmos> other install i left it with debian
desktop
461 [04:06:20] <Deihmos> exactly the same
462 [04:06:43] <rant> I heard and FULLY understand what you are
saying, you are not hearing or at all understanding what I'm
saying so shut up and listen or just shut up
463 [04:07:08] <rant> the REASON gnome does same regardless is
because task-gnome-desktop DEPENDS on task-desktop
464 [04:07:21] <rant> therefore while you can uncheck a damn box,
you are not actually unselecting it
465 [04:07:35] <rant> because task-gnome-desktop selects it
anyhow
466 [04:07:51] <rant> however if you uncheck GNOME, it will only
install task-desktop and NOT task-gnome-desktop
467 [04:08:01] <rant> therefore they are not the SAME
468 [04:08:08] <rant> one just depends on the other
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471 [04:08:57] <usney2> rant how can I test which wifi interface
is faster? my usb doggie or the internal one that works only with
proprietary software
472 [04:09:16] <rant> therefore the Desktop option is there for
people who want something OTHER than the 7 DE listed below
473 [04:09:50] <rant> it will install xorg and desktop-base and
allow them to later install say openbox,fluxbox,i3,blackbox,sawfish,
etc whatever they want
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475 [04:10:46] <rant> usney2: I doubt it makes any difference,
but google can perform an internet speed test if you goto google and
ask it to
476 [04:11:01] <rant> you will get different results on
subsequent runs regardless
477 [04:11:41] <rant> usney2: the usb one could however be slowed
by or cause slowing of other things on the USB bus as its shared
bandwidth
478 [04:12:01] <rant> particularly if hubs are involved
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482 [04:14:07] <Deihmos> so basically debian desktop is gnome
msource code used by debian?
483 [04:14:23] <rant> no
484 [04:14:56] <rant> this program you're using in the
installer is something called tasksel, its a very generic package
manager that installs various metapackages whose names begin with
task-
485 [04:15:35] <rant> Deihmos: you can see them in detail with
apt show task-*
486 [04:16:10] <rant> there is no such thing as "Debian
desktop" there is a task-desktop which installs xorg and
desktop-base
487 [04:16:39] <rant> whatever tasksel calls that is just a
generic name made by the tasksel developers
488 [04:16:58] <rant> GNOME is not GNOME, its task-gnome-desktop
489 [04:17:11] <rant> which in turn installs the following
490 [04:17:17] <rant> ,depends task-gnome-desktop
491 [04:17:18] <judd> Package task-gnome-desktop in stretch/amd64
-- depends: tasksel (= 3.39), task-desktop, gnome-core.
492 [04:17:35] <rant> ,i gnome-core
493 [04:17:36] <judd> Package gnome-core (metapackages, optional)
in stretch/amd64: GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components.
Version: 1:3.22+3; Size: 24.2k; Installed: 32k; Screenshot:
replaced-url
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495 [04:18:38] <rant> source code has nothing to do with any of
this
496 [04:18:58] <rant> these are metapackages that depend on
binary software
497 [04:19:17] <Deihmos>
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499 [04:19:41] <Deihmos> i think that sums it up. gnome is
installed and some other stuff if you select debian desktop
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501 [04:20:26] <rant> @.@
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503 [04:23:29] <usney2> rant how do I setup kexec?
504 [04:23:42] <rant> !kexec
505 [04:23:42] <dpkg> kexec allows the system to load a kernel
from a running kernel and boot into it, skipping the BIOS and
bootloader stage of a reboot. To disable, «dpkg-reconfigure
kexec-tools» or uninstall with «apt-get remove
kexec-tools». To skip using kexec once:
«/sbin/coldreboot». kexec is not enabled by default
since kexec-tools 1:2.0.3-2.
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508 [04:24:34] <usney2> how do I enable kexec?
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510 [04:25:03] <cheapie> usney2: dpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools
511 [04:25:06] <usney2> I installed it and it asked if I want it
to handle reboots I said yes so shouldn't it be setup?
512 [04:25:12] <usney2> thanks cheapie
513 [04:25:12] <cheapie> Should be then, yes.
514 [04:25:14] <usney2> haha
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516 [04:25:31] <usney2> I remember once I said I am a cheapie
than you made a joke
517 [04:26:02] <usney2> you are a very active user
518 [04:26:06] <usney2> that was some time ago
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525 [04:30:20] <rant> dpkg, kexec ~= s/disable/enable or disable/
526 [04:30:20] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, rant
527 [04:30:25] <rant> dpkg, kexec =~ s/disable/enable or disable/
528 [04:30:26] <dpkg> OK, rant
529 [04:34:22] <usney2> hi rant
530 [04:35:00] <usney2> is there a tool to figure out which is
the fastest debian repo and to use that by default via the command
line?
531 [04:35:39] <usney2> debian repo mirror
532 [04:35:53] <usney2> the one I selected a while back is
running really slow
533 [04:36:13] <rant> usney2: use deb.debian.org
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535 [04:37:18] <themill> usney2: reliable is much more important
than fast
536 [04:37:55] <rant> dpkg, kexec =~ s:-2.:-2 (Debian 7 Wheezy).:
537 [04:37:55] <dpkg> wish i knew, rant
538 [04:38:09] <rant> dpkg, kexec =~ s/-2./-2 (Debian 7 Wheezy)./
539 [04:38:09] <dpkg> OK, rant
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543 [04:39:34] <rant> dpkg, what is deb.debian.org?
544 [04:39:35] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is
backed by international content delivery networks and for most
users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the
<sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt
queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older
apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs.
See
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558 [04:46:06] <usney2> how do I setup deb.debian.org in the
sources.lst file?
559 [04:46:12] <usney2> haven't done that in awhile
560 [04:46:20] <usney2> but I guess once I look at it I can
figure it out
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562 [04:46:39] <awal1> !sources.list
563 [04:46:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
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565 [04:47:16] <usney2> how do I know which version of debian I
am using?
566 [04:47:44] <awal1>
replaced-url
567 [04:47:44] <sc_> cat /etc/issue
568 [04:48:04] <awal1> lsb_release -a
569 [04:48:09] <usney2> rant I noticed once I changed my network
to use the usb free software doggie now the upgrade is working much
much faster
570 [04:48:18] <usney2> I guess the card is really old
571 [04:48:37] <usney2> the internal one
572 [04:48:50] <usney2> at least the old laptop uses usb2 instead
of 1
573 [04:48:53] <JackFrost> Isn't deb822 format more fun?
574 [04:49:08] <usney2> what is deb822?
575 [04:49:41] <usney2> !dpkg deb822
576 [04:49:57] <usney2> !deb822
577 [04:50:06] <usney2> :(
578 [04:51:14] <JackFrost> `man sources.list` has a section
'DEB822-STYLE FORMAT', but that's just a different
style to have for your sources list.
579 [04:51:49] <JackFrost>
replaced-url
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582 [04:53:02] <usney2> how do I setup sshd to auto start after a
reboot?
583 [04:53:47] <themill> no setup is required
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590 [04:59:23] <awal1> usney2 , run cat /etc/apt/sources.list and
paste on paste.debian.org
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593 [05:01:17] <usney2> awal1 I am running a command line only
system on that debian computer
594 [05:01:28] <usney2> so I'll have to cat to a file
595 [05:01:39] <usney2> then copy from ssh
596 [05:01:44] <awal1> use pastebinit
597 [05:02:52] <usney2> wish I had this remote stuff setup
already
598 [05:03:01] <usney2> I don't need any help awall
599 [05:03:29] <usney2> I'll fix it tomorrow I need to be up
at 5am tomorrow for work good night everyone!
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631 [05:33:18] <blackswan> i have written a program which is
intended for use in pipelines. i have named it "maybe",
but there is already a debian package by that name, so i want to
come up with a new name for it. here is what it does:
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633 [05:35:07] <blackswan> "maybe PROGRAM
[ARGUMENTS...]" will wait for input to be available on its
standard input, and if such input becomes available, will exec
PROGRAM, passing it the provided ARGUMENTS
634 [05:35:14] <blackswan> otherwise, it will exit.
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638 [05:37:04] <blackswan> does anybody have any suggestions for
a good name?
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643 [05:43:43] <rant> how is this different from xargs?
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647 [05:44:56] <themill> rant: xargs turns stdin into positional
arguments; this leaves it as stdin
648 [05:45:09] <klys> blackswan, `fill'.
649 [05:45:34] <blackswan> fill? why fill?
650 [05:45:52] <klys> becasue you wait for the input to fill in
the blank
651 [05:45:54] <themill> Needs a nice pun on piping...
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654 [05:46:17] <blackswan> yes, i can't think of a piping
pun though
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656 [05:46:55] <themill> picking words is a pretty fraught choice
though, see 'dune', 'node', ...
657 [05:47:01] <rant> it sounds like xargs -r -n0 to me
658 [05:47:16] <themill> rant: nope
659 [05:47:49] <rant> well then I dont see its utility :P
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661 [05:47:54] <blackswan> does xargs exec() the program? the
whole point of this is for it to vanish if not needed.
662 [05:48:05] <rant> xargs -r doesn't
663 [05:48:10] <themill> blackswan: --no-run-if-empty
664 [05:48:18] <blackswan> and not waste time basically being
'cat' if it is.
665 [05:48:50] <blackswan> and look prettier in a script than
redirecting to a temp file, checking to see if the file exists, and
then running something
666 [05:48:57] <blackswan> er, is nonzero
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668 [05:49:03] <blackswan> nonempty
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671 [05:49:52] <blackswan> themill: are you seriously suggesting
i give the program a name that starts with two dashes?
672 [05:50:06] <themill> no, that's the xargs option rant is
talking about
673 [05:50:10] <rant> its an option alias for -r with xargs
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676 [05:50:31] <rant> does the program this runs get the stdin
from the pipe as its stdin?
677 [05:50:57] <klys> that's the way I thought he said
678 [05:50:59] <themill> (write it in C and add it to moreutils)
679 [05:51:32] <blackswan> yes
680 [05:52:14] <rant> ifin, runpipe, maygin..
681 [05:52:35] * rant could probably come up with more possible names
682 [05:52:55] <rant> maygin is a goofy spelling of a girls name,
and could be short for may-get-input
683 [05:52:57] <rant> heh
684 [05:53:13] <blackswan> i wrote it because i have various cron
jobs that check things and may or may not produce output; if there
is output, i want to mail it, but only if there is output
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687 [05:54:45] <rant> just know if you use a term I coined I will
surely tell everyone I came up with it :P Not concerned with credit
per-se just proud of stupid terms I come up with like SNS Syndrome
:P
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689 [05:56:38] <blackswan> hm. mexec?
690 [05:56:57] <rant> personally I kinda like maygin.. close to
your name, functional, and sounds like a girls name.. which there is
history of people giving female names to their cars, guitars, etc
691 [05:56:57] <blackswan> mayb
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693 [05:57:49] <blackswan> maygin is the best of yours
694 [05:58:07] <rant> doesnt sound derivitive
695 [05:58:37] <blackswan> but i think i like just dropping the e
better.
696 [05:58:53] <rant> it is a lil long for a simple program
697 [05:59:01] <blackswan> creat
698 [05:59:39] <blackswan> maybe i should just call it mab
699 [05:59:42] <rant> yeah, I wouldnt wanna be derivitive
personally, it'd confuse me.. I tend to for my personal use
make abbreviations though
700 [06:00:09] <blackswan> which would confuse you?
701 [06:00:25] <rant> if I had a program I used called maybe and
another called mayb or something
702 [06:00:40] <rant> especially if they were not similar
programs
703 [06:00:50] <rant> I'd forget which was which at times
704 [06:01:55] <rant> I knew a girl once called maygin and
thought it was stupid way to spell megan cause it has gin not gan in
it.. but sounded more appropriate here.. its just 6 chars which
seems a bit much for something simple
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706 [06:04:50] <rant> I'm personally ripping apart broken
Thinkpad T61's to attempt to make a cluster with them.. got no
clue what sort of software to use yet..
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708 [06:05:31] <rant> nor do I know how I should mount the
boards.. but seems silly to keep them in broken thinkpad cases
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715 [06:14:05] <rant> all I know right now is, I'm hoping to
cluster 4 of them with debian probably running off 32GB thumbdrives
or PXE booted ram drives..idk
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720 [06:16:13] <rant> the details just make my head hurt right
now.. idk if the discrete nvidia quadro nvs 140m would be of any use
or not..
721 [06:16:30] <rant> wanna use em for ffmpeg encoding
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724 [06:16:56] <naribia> hello. I have a program (electrum -
bitcoin wallet) installed on debian 9, GUI environment
725 [06:17:15] <naribia> if I type in the search, for electrum,
the program shows up, and I can open it
726 [06:17:25] <naribia> however I also have compiled the program
from source, a newer version
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728 [06:17:50] <naribia> where is the version installed that
shows up in the search?
729 [06:18:41] <rant> naribia: what search?
730 [06:18:51] <naribia> eh
731 [06:19:28] <naribia> like, app search, also using the
keyboard windows key
732 [06:19:38] <rant> apt search? find? locate? gnome's app
menu search? I could think of hundreds of possible
"searches" in debian
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735 [06:20:05] <rant> if its desktop related, its probably
operating on a .desktop file either global or in the homedir
736 [06:20:53] <rant> i.e. /usr/share/applications/ or
~/.local/share/applications
737 [06:22:02] <aaro> naribia: which electrum
738 [06:22:03] <naribia> ok I see it under
/usr/share/applications/electrum.desktop
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740 [06:22:09] <rant> once you find the desktop file you look at
the exec= line if its not using a full path then its using the
system $PATH and you figure that out with which electrum
741 [06:22:14] <naribia> which electrum did not have results
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745 [06:23:53] <rant> copying that file to ~/.local/share/ shoule
override the system-wide one and you can change the exec= line
746 [06:24:11] <naribia> rant: copying the compiled version?
747 [06:24:15] <Gigglebyte> Anyone alive and BREATHING ???
748 [06:24:15] <rant> erm ~/.local/share/applications
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751 [06:25:10] <rant> naribia: the .desktop file from
/usr/share/applications its not a binary, its a .desktop config
file.. plain text
752 [06:25:17] <rant> it merely defines using the free desktop
standard, how to setup launchers in GUI for the program
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755 [06:25:24] <Gigglebyte> I am having trouble installing linux
and wondering if someone can figure out why a Dell, model P28F
laptop can not detect a fully functioning Debian boot USB stick. The
image of the bios is at
replaced-url
756 [06:25:37] <rant> Gigglebyte: nope.. we're all dead and
rotting
757 [06:25:46] <naribia> rant: right, so if I delete the .desktop
file as well as the binary it points to via exec=, will that be the
extent of the uninstall?
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759 [06:26:16] <Gigglebyte> rant> Any idea why I can't
install linux? The things in the bios indicate
replaced-url
760 [06:26:21] <rant> naribia: uh no.. what are you trying to
do.. uninstall the one you compiled from source?
761 [06:26:27] <Gigglebyte> The boot stick is good, and the
install stick was created last summer.
762 [06:26:33] <naribia> rant: trying to uninstall the .desktop
version
763 [06:26:48] <rant> naribia: which is the one you compiled from
source?
764 [06:27:00] <naribia> rant: well now I am, I was also just
curious how the desktop version was installed
765 [06:27:18] <rant> o.O
766 [06:27:39] <naribia> rant: the newer version I compiled from
source, its not installed, just in a directory I compiled it in, and
I'm not sure if both are referencing the same config folder,
regardless I want to uninstall the .desktop version
767 [06:27:44] <rant> naribia: dpkg -l electrum
768 [06:28:11] <naribia> dpkg-query: no packages found matching
electrum
769 [06:28:29] <rant> hmm..
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775 [06:30:01] <rant> naribia: can you figure out what version it
is at least? does it have a Help>About or a command line option
like --help or --version ?
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777 [06:30:35] <naribia> the actual version? yeah its 3.3.3
778 [06:30:38] <rant> naribia:
replaced-url
779 [06:30:41] <naribia> compiled is the newer 3.3.4
780 [06:31:20] <rant> none of the debian repos have a version
3.3.3
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782 [06:31:27] <rant> ,v electrum
783 [06:31:28] <judd> Package: electrum on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 2.7.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports: 3.1.3-1~bpo9+1;
sid: 3.2.3-1
784 [06:31:47] <rant> naribia: must have been compiled or
installed by someone *shrug*
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786 [06:32:50] <rant> naribia: according to pdo it only has a
binary, desktop file, manpage, and in debian anyhow, some
news/release/changelog/copyright files in /usr/share/doc/electrum
787 [06:33:12] <naribia> rant: pdo ?
788 [06:33:25] <rant> naribia: see the link I gave you above
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790 [06:33:40] <naribia> ok, so that shows supposedly all the
files included int he install, I can just delete them manually?
791 [06:34:06] <rant> naribia: its what would be included in the
debian packages.. who knows where you got it from or what it
installed :P
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794 [06:34:16] <naribia> :/
795 [06:34:31] <rant> naribia: if your package manager doesnt
know about it, and you dont know where it came from, then sure. use
that filelist as a guide and delete away :P
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797 [06:34:40] <naribia> okay :)
798 [06:34:46] <naribia> alrighty well thanks then
799 [06:34:59] <naribia> by the way
800 [06:35:07] <naribia> why doesn't the package manager
know about it?
801 [06:35:40] <rant> I was just tryin to make sure 1) your
package manager didnt install it and thus couldnt remove it, and 2)
you didnt perhaps install this version from source with say a
"make install" where you could just "make
uninstall"
802 [06:36:11] <rant> the package manager doesnt know about it
because apparently you didnt install a debian package for it.. you
must've used a binary or source tarball or something
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811 [06:37:05] <rant> you may still wanna keep that .desktop file
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815 [06:37:28] <rant> copy it to ~/.local/share/applications and
modify it for the version you compiled
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820 [06:37:53] <rant> cause randomly compiled crap sitting in a
dir usually doesnt integrate with desktop environments
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841 [06:40:44] <naribia> ok I see thanks ^^
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1046 [07:25:55] <__m4ch1n3__> marked in synaptic systemd for
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1047 [07:26:10] <__m4ch1n3__> thats spooky af
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1076 [08:08:33] <beavis> ok so i'm on buster and sometimes
ssh client refuses to log in to my server and i need to reboot
1077 [08:08:42] <beavis> i mean i need to reboot the client
1078 [08:08:57] <beavis> which service to restart to avoid
rebooting?
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1080 [08:09:37] <beavis> i mean which service i need to restart to
avoid rebooting?
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1084 [08:10:41] <beavis> also, suspending takes too much time
after closing the lid
1085 [08:10:42] <cheapie> beavis: Which end do you have to
restart, the server or the client?
1086 [08:10:42] <themill> Can you elaborate on "refuses to
log in"
1087 [08:10:48] <beavis> cheapie: client
1088 [08:10:58] <cheapie> That's... odd :P
1089 [08:11:09] <beavis> themill: well i use keys and just do ssh
<ip>
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1091 [08:11:16] <beavis> and sometimes it just hangs on it
1092 [08:11:29] <beavis> after i reboot the client i'm able
to log in again
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1094 [08:12:35] <beavis> maybe it's because gnome ssh agent?
1095 [08:14:05] <beavis> q
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1097 [08:17:53] <themill> adding some verbosity to ssh would be
sensible at this stage (on client at least; on server too perhaps)
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1101 [08:22:03] <beavis> yeah i'll make it verbose next time
it happens
1102 [08:22:14] <beavis> tho i had no problems of such on stretch
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1114 [08:29:41] <t3st3r> <beavis> and sometimes it just
hangs on it <- looking dmesg and journalctl for logs and possible
errors or related events are 1st thing.
1115 [08:30:18] <t3st3r> another would be to run something like
tcpdump to get idea what goes on on the net, it should give some
ideas.
1116 [08:30:44] <beavis> what about suspend delay after closing
the lid?
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1119 [08:31:41] <t3st3r> kernel and systemd also tend to log what
they do on going to sleep - so looking on timings between log
records could give idea.
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1123 [08:33:54] <ellyacht> can someone help me find a Linux distro
that I can game on and also be able to adjust my laptops screen
settings? On kali-Linux I'm able to adjust my screen to 120 Hz
and do all kinds of stuff except game. But on Linuxmint I can game
but I can't adjust screen settings it's a terrible distro
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1131 [08:39:43] <perseiver> ellyacht what do you want to achieve
is not clear. Do you want to play game and adjust its size? Or you
want to see desktop and play game by splitting the screen or
similar?
1132 [08:41:02] <ellyacht> I want to have the same settings I have
on kali Linux e17 on a different distro I can game on.
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1144 [08:51:44] <SerajewelKS> running xfce on debian and a ton of
the icons are replaced with a red X, and themes don't apply in
the appearances window
1145 [08:51:57] <SerajewelKS> what could be the cause of this?
it's the only system i've seen this behavior on and i
don't think the setup is unusual.
1146 [08:52:13] <nkuttler> which debian release?
1147 [08:52:17] <SerajewelKS> stretch
1148 [08:52:47] <SerajewelKS> other X programs act a bit odd too.
ardour crashes immediately after selecting an audio engine.
1149 [08:53:01] <nkuttler> SerajewelKS: is this a new system, or
did all of that use to work?
1150 [08:53:12] <SerajewelKS> it's not a new system but it
hasn't run X before
1151 [08:54:02] <nkuttler> well, it sounds like your themes were
not installed correctly. i would try 1. with a different user
account. 2. reinstall xfce and make sure all recommends etc are
included
1152 [08:54:11] <nkuttler> the audio issue seems unrelated
1153 [08:54:28] <SerajewelKS> it's not an audio issue because
i'm connecting to jack with the dummy backend
1154 [08:54:41] <SerajewelKS> e.g. there's no real audio
hardware being used
1155 [08:55:23] <SerajewelKS> the crash happens in gtkmm and
considering that there's some weird gtk things going on, my
strong suspicion is that they're related
1156 [08:55:26] <nkuttler> let's focus on one problem at a
time
1157 [08:56:41] <SerajewelKS> new account shows the same behaviors
1158 [08:57:23] <nkuttler> ok, so it's not your user profile.
but if you configured apt accordingly, you might not have pulled in
the necessary packages
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1160 [08:57:44] <nkuttler> SerajewelKS: apt-cache policy xfce4
1161 [08:58:10] <SerajewelKS> *** 4.12.3 500 500
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1165 [09:00:10] <SerajewelKS> all recommends are installed but the
suggests gtk3-engines-xfce is not
1166 [09:00:16] <SerajewelKS> but i didn't think xfce used
gtk3 yet
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1168 [09:00:33] <SerajewelKS> let's see what happens if i
install this
1169 [09:01:24] <SerajewelKS> did not change a thing
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1171 [09:01:59] <SerajewelKS> is there something that vncserver
should be doing but isn't doing during session startup?
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1177 [09:05:38] <SerajewelKS> hmmmm. i started xfce by way of
lightdm on a VT and there's still no panel icons, but there are
now menu icons and appearance selection is working. so
something's fucky with vncserver.
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1182 [09:09:52] <t3st3r> SerajewelKS> as idea you can also try
to run xfce4-appearance-settings from console (most notably graphic
terminal in session) - maybe it would spit some meaningful errors?
1183 [09:10:39] <SerajewelKS> only thing it tells me is that the
RANDR extension is missing
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1187 [09:11:17] <t3st3r> also .xsession-errors can give some ideas
on what's wrong - maybe there're some errors or so?
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1190 [09:12:49] <SerajewelKS> xfwm complains about missing
xrender, xrandr, xcomposite, xdamage, and xfixes
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1192 [09:13:07] <SerajewelKS> not sure that's related
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1196 [09:14:07] <SerajewelKS> it's all very strange and
i'm not sure why
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1198 [09:14:33] <SerajewelKS> i run xfce4 with ardour on another
linux machine just fine. no idea why this one doesn't seem to
like either. though xfce doesn't seem to like whatever the X
VNC server does.
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1204 [09:15:23] <SerajewelKS> aha, xfsettingsd is crashing
1205 [09:15:49] <SerajewelKS> (xfsettingsd:13324): GLib-CRITICAL
**: g_hash_table_destroy: assertion 'hash_table != NULL'
failed
1206 [09:15:54] <SerajewelKS> then everything starts going
downhill
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1210 [09:16:48] <SerajewelKS> apparently this is a semi-documented
issue between xfce4 and limited X servers
1211 [09:17:16] <SerajewelKS> i still don't know why ardour
is crashing on startup
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1213 [09:17:27] <SerajewelKS> that happened even on X with a
physical display
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1222 [09:24:47] <t3st3r> SerajewelKS> excuse me, are you using
some limited X server, etc?
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1224 [09:25:14] <SerajewelKS> vncserver
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1282 [09:59:18] <beavis> ok what about suspend delay after closing
the lid?
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1284 [09:59:39] <beavis> i';d liek it to suspend instantly
but i need to wait around 25 seconds before it suspends
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1286 [09:59:57] <beavis> (on debian 10)
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1293 [10:05:14] <__m4ch1n3__> huh! so it is possible to give
additional packages to debian installer as bootargument?
preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y foo
bar"
1294 [10:05:33] <__m4ch1n3__> found it here
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1298 [10:09:27] <__m4ch1n3__> could i install in that way packages
during installaton from latest stretch iso?
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1303 [10:12:22] <__m4ch1n3__> [...]
1304 [10:12:22] <__m4ch1n3__> If not using a preseed file, this
can be added to the boot arguments instead by hitting TAB at the
boot menu on the desired entry and appending the above preseed line
at the end of the boot command. [...]
1305 [10:13:20] <__m4ch1n3__> that slash in keyname looks weired
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1314 [10:17:40] <__m4ch1n3__> !preseed
1315 [10:17:41] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set
answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process,
to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The
<install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding
with a full example. See
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1328 [10:24:03] <beavis> will gnome be stil patched in buster?
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1330 [10:24:09] <beavis> as in bugfixes etc
1331 [10:24:37] <beavis> aparently the delay lays on the gnome
side, systemctl suspend works properly
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1359 [10:40:56] <SerajewelKS> !buster
1360 [10:40:56] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9
"Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet
Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10.
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1363 [10:41:24] <SerajewelKS> beavis: buster is already frozen, so
maybe. if it's an RC bug.
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1419 [11:22:45] <fireba11> another happy stretch system :-) (one
of my last jessie upgrades, i know i'm late :-P)
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1572 [12:56:57] <CrazyTux> are older kernels more suitable for
older computers?
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1574 [12:58:03] <e3d3> How can I share the configuration of
synaptic package manager between computers ?
1575 [12:58:16] <blackflow> CrazyTux: Only if newer kernels
dropped a vital feature for the older computer to run, which is
rather unlikely except when it comes to 32-bit, which is still
supported, so basically..... "normally no". :)
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1577 [12:58:42] <CrazyTux> blackflow, ok
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1617 [13:20:09] <dennis_345> Could anyone help with debugging udev
rule? I have a disk encrypted with LUKS, it gets automatically
decrypted using entry in /etc/crypttab "c0
UUID=7c5785f5-dbb1-47c3-b39e-164176f123e9 /etc/luks/0.key
luks", on the LUKS volume I have a dm-integrity volume which
needs to be started using command "integritysetup open
/dev/mapper/c0 i0" I want system to automatically open
dm-integrity volume on boot. I
1618 [13:20:09] <dennis_345> put an udev rule
"ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block",
ATTR{DM_NAME}=="c0", RUN+="/usr/sbin/integritysetup
open /dev/%k i0"" into
"/etc/udev/rules.d/99-integrity.rules" but it looks like
the rule does not fire because upon reboot I see c0 device, but not
i0. I am running Debian testing with all updates installed. Thanks.
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1623 [13:21:55] <e3d3> Does anyone know how to save the
configuration of "synaptic package manager", the GUI, (not
the packages) ?
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1651 [13:42:25] <t3st3r> dennis_345> udevadm monitor could
allow to see events on hotplug. Also udevadm show <device>
could display attributes as udev sees them.
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1654 [13:43:12] <t3st3r> though I'm not sure how far this
applicable to encrypted dryves, I've been trying more mundane
things.
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1673 [13:55:43] <kab0m> Hello everyone :9
1674 [13:55:46] <kab0m> :)
1675 [13:55:55] <kab0m> How do i force debian to use the
dns-servers defined in /etc/network/interfaces instead of the ones
in /etc/resolv.conf?
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1682 [13:59:27] <dennis_345> t3st3r: Can I use udevadm monitor if
the disk is connected using SATA and is not hotplugable? I get
unknown operation error for "udevadm show", do you mean
"udevadm info"? Here is output of my "udevadm
info":
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1683 [13:59:56] <diogenes_> kab0m, maybe with dnsmasq
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1685 [14:01:29] <kab0m> diogenes_: i am using dnsmasq allready.
What i need is dnsmasq using the resolv.conf while the
system(debian) should avoid resolv.conf and read the dns-servers
from the interfaces-files only? How to do that?
1686 [14:02:16] <blackflow> "system should avoid
resolv.conf" -- what do you mean by that.
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1688 [14:02:59] <blackflow> /etc/resolv.conf is THE resolver
configuration file. the only question is WHAT configures it: the
user, DHCP, or something else.
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1693 [14:07:39] <kab0m> blackflow: Ok, then how can i tell the
system to not use the resolver configuration-file and use the
dns-servers defined in the interfaces file? The thing is i try to
share a vpn-connection and i get dns leaks because dnsmasq AND the
system use the dns-server specified in resolv.conf...if i could tell
the system to not use resolv.conf BUT the dns-servers used in the
interfaces file i could set resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1(where dnsmasq
is
1694 [14:07:39] <kab0m> nning) and avoid dns-leaks to the cleints
that use the connection from this machine. I hope this is not to
confusing
1695 [14:08:03] <kab0m> *too
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1700 [14:12:52] <blackflow> kab0m: you can't.
/etc/resolver.conf is THE central resolver configuration file. glibc
consults that. everything that needs DNS resolution using glibc
(pretty much every program except those that can be configured with
some specific upstream resolver directly) will consult resolv.conf
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1705 [14:13:35] <blackflow> kab0m: so the right question is how to
configure resolv.conf with desired upstream resolvers. what exactly
do you want to achieve? static config via e/n/i? DHCP based config?
1706 [14:13:50] <blackflow> /etc/resolv.conf above (typo'd)
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1712 [14:21:05] <kab0m> blackflow: hmm...i see. What i try to
achieve is the following: I have a machine that connects to a
vpn-service via openvpn and shares this connection with the
computers on the network.It acts kinda liek a vpn-router. When the
vpn connects it run the script
"/etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf" which updates the
resolv.conf file with the dns-servers provided by the vpn-service
BUT this does not remove the allready present dns-entry (8.8.8.
1713 [14:21:05] <kab0m> in the resolv.conf which then leads to
dns-leaks. So, when i set the resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1(dnsmasq) the
vpn cant connect anymore because it needs dns to resolve the
names...but when i leave it how it is, all machines connected gets
dns-leaks. So how to achieve this? I tried two tutorials on this but
both failed.
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1722 [14:26:46] <rebrec> hello
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1729 [14:29:01] <rebrec> i have a question about apt, i was
looking for a package called prelude-correlator. When i do a apt
policy prelude-correlator, i get a Candidate version of 1.0.0-1.1
from url
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1730 [14:29:01] <rebrec> ar more recent version available in the
repository : 4.1.1-2 Could someone help me understand why my apt
doesn't offer me to get this recent version please ?
1731 [14:30:42] <rebrec> kab0m what is the content of
/etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf ? if this script is run and after
its execution you don't get what you expect, i would guess that
the script need modifications / improvements no ?
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1735 [14:32:59] <kab0m> rebrec: thanks for the hint. i tested the
same script with ubuntu and its working without a problem there. So
i guess this is debian related. the script can be found here
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1741 [14:38:33] <kab0m> rebrec: i mean, yes you are right - one
could alter the script to remove the allready present dns-entry. but
i just want to understand how this config works for other people
(using ubuntu) but not on my debian machine :shrug:
1742 [14:39:43] <rebrec> ubuntu is based on debian so i would
doubt it's a debian problem. Perhaps you have other services
running under debian that interfere with the update of resolv.conf.
Anyway, i would suggest trying to troubleshoot your script by
modifying it (after making a backup if you are unsure of what you
are doing of course). You may first log every parameters
1743 [14:39:43] <rebrec> received by the script for instance a
line like this one : "echo $* >> /tmp/mylog.log"
then you could also at the end of the script make a copy of the just
modified resolv.conf to some other place to see if at the end of the
script execution, your resolv.conf is as expected or not
1744 [14:40:28] <jmcnaught> kab0m: are you using resolvconf?
1745 [14:40:55] <jmcnaught> rebrec: those other versions are
likely for other releases of Ubuntu but you're better off
asking in #ubuntu about that
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1747 [14:41:40] <kab0m> jmcnaught: no, resolvconf is not installed
on the debian machine. but it was on a another ubuntu machine, but i
had to remove it to get things to work as expected
1748 [14:41:59] <kab0m> *to work as expected on the ubuntu machine
1749 [14:42:10] <rebrec> ha ok jmcnaught thanks, may i ask how you
know / find that it is for another version please ? i mean i suppose
there is a way to do what apt does by hand but i don't know how
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1756 [14:44:13] <jmcnaught> rebrec:
replaced-url
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1760 [14:46:48] <rebrec> thanks a lot jmcnaught
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1762 [14:46:55] <rebrec> you made my day :)
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1765 [14:49:21] <kab0m> It is strange..here the documentation
says:
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1767 [14:50:48] <rebrec> Kab0m did you tried what i ´ve
suggested ?
1768 [14:52:38] <kab0m> rebrec: yes i did, thank you for this hint
;) but as this scripts are written by openvpn(i guess) i dont want
to alter them but i want to understand how to alter debian to do
what i want. i mean, if there is something stated in a
debian-documentation it should work right? but i does not.
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1785 [15:07:13] <Deihmos> i am new to linux but tried ubuntu in
the past
1786 [15:07:30] <Deihmos> shouldn't the software app in
debian be able to install deb files?
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1793 [15:12:09] <nkuttler> Deihmos: um, yes, but only debian
packages. getting packages from random sources is guaranteed to lead
to breakage sooner or later
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1795 [15:13:10] <Deihmos> tried to install chrome deb. i remember
it working in ubuntu but on debian it says not supported
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1800 [15:15:39] <nkuttler> !errors
1801 [15:15:39] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error
messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and
it's also useful to know exactly what command you're
typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is
often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized
errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a
pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
1802 [15:16:36] <Deihmos> opened it in the software app to
install. it says not supported.
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1805 [15:17:17] <nkuttler> i don't know what the software app
is.. can you open a terminal, and dpkg -i the.deb it?
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1811 [15:22:41] <Deihmos> nevermind. found gdebi
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1861 [15:54:12] <de-facto> what is the best pattern to create a
system user for a service from scripts?
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1890 [16:08:12] <urxtnw> I see, when it comes to other distros
based on debian like ubuntu,is it possible cannonical does something
under the hood that users can't check?
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1908 [16:16:31] <LikWidChz> Rando question for you guys, when you
start editing the sources.list file it mostly always pulls in newer
versions of the packages. Are those packages considered non stable?
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1917 [16:21:48] <urxtnw> what would be the main difference between
debian minimal install and an ubuntu minimal install. Just packages
and repository?
1918 [16:22:50] <LikWidChz> I think the debian minimal is
seriously minimal. I actually installed that the other day
1919 [16:23:08] <LikWidChz> unbuntu has a ton more stuff packaged
in it.
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1921 [16:24:20] <LikWidChz> ... random idea for you, have you
thought about creating a VM and trying both out??
1922 [16:24:45] <urxtnw> I see, I did, but it's hard to know
what goes inside the hood as a not so advanced user
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1924 [16:25:01] <urxtnw> if I minimally install both and just
install the packages it all looks the same in the end
1925 [16:25:33] <urxtnw> and I'd like to learn more about
linux in general, that's why I was asking
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1927 [16:26:15] <LikWidChz> well i'm not much of an expert
either, run df . -h on both, I think that was the command it will
tell you what amount of space each takes up. You can run top and
services --status-all and see what stuff is running. In the end
though whats your goal?
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1930 [16:27:32] <urxtnw> I would like just a distro for home use,
that is stable but not too old, but also one which is not bloated
(which is why i mentioned minimal install)
1931 [16:27:45] <urxtnw> but very good advice you gave me about
running df and services
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1933 [16:28:39] <LikWidChz> I mean honestly most of the shit out
there today is pretty stable. It seriously depends on what you want
to do with it. Like if you wanted to build a nas , use debian
minimal and add on what you need.
1934 [16:29:01] <urxtnw> LikWidChz, makes sense, thank you so much
1935 [16:29:02] <LikWidChz> which would technically be maybe just
samba? and mdadm.
1936 [16:29:33] <LikWidChz> Yeah, you can seriously go down a
rabbit hole with things like this and never surface.
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1939 [16:30:04] <urxtnw> definitely
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1944 [16:31:32] <jmcnaught> I've seen a lot of users shoot
themselves in the foot trying for a minimal install then spending
hours trying to figure out why something isn't working, only
for it to be some recommended packages are missing
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1946 [16:32:08] <LikWidChz> ha, its a little cryptic sometimes I
have found.
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1949 [16:33:12] <urxtnw> jmcnaught, yeah but the reason for doing
that is to learn in the first place
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1951 [16:33:25] <LikWidChz> best way to start. dive in head first.
1952 [16:33:29] <urxtnw> jmcnaught, and using the manual helps a
lot
1953 [16:33:52] <LikWidChz> I started learning with slackware,
then went to gentoo... two most pain in the ass distros
1954 [16:34:08] <urxtnw> yeah, slackware has no dependency
resolution
1955 [16:34:15] <urxtnw> i assume it's really hard
1956 [16:34:27] <LikWidChz> command line = it doesn't work.
fuck you try again.
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1959 [16:35:05] <LikWidChz> most of the shit now with apt is
pretty neat
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1995 [16:48:49] <tyrsen1> When I boot my PC, immediately after
GRUB ui it says this right before asking for disk decrypt password.
Any ideas how I can remove the errors? Previously I had a bunch of
lvmetad errors before setting use_lvmetad to 0
1996 [16:48:50] <tyrsen1> Volume group "Debian" not
found Cannot process volume group Debian Volume group
"Debian" not found Cannot process volume group Debian
Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Reading all
physical volumes. This may take a while...
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2000 [16:50:03] <blackflow> tyrsen1: is your LVM atop of or under
LUKS? Do you have any non standard grub command lines? is crypttab
correct?
2001 [16:50:15] <blackflow> s/command lines/kernel command line
options/
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2009 [16:50:59] <tyrsen1> to all of the above.... where should i
check? debian is the only OS on this PC if that helps, was installed
using debian installer default options with full disk wipe
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2016 [16:53:41] <tyrsen1> @blackflow
replaced-url
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2020 [16:55:58] <tyrsen1> did that go through? some bot just sent
me a bunch of message when i put it
2021 [16:56:20] <blackflow> tyrsen1: yes but I have no idea what
to do with it. it answers none of my questions.
2022 [16:56:29] <tyrsen1> ok, what do you need?
2023 [16:56:43] <blackflow> I asked you about your LVM+LUKS
layout, grub config and crypttab and you ran blkid. might as well
tell me that it's sunny outside.
2024 [16:56:58] <tyrsen1> in grub config the only thing i changed
was to set default timeout to 1 instead of 5
2025 [16:57:06] <tyrsen1> i have no idea about lvm+luks
2026 [16:57:12] <tyrsen1> nor crypttab
2027 [16:57:18] <blackflow> well how did you set it up? it
didn't set up itself
2028 [16:57:29] <tyrsen1> as i said, i just used debian installer
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2031 [16:57:50] <tyrsen1> and went with default configuration
2032 [16:57:55] <tyrsen1> for a blank disk
2033 [16:58:03] <tyrsen1> so however it does, is what i have
2034 [16:58:19] <blackflow> tyrsen1: alright. what's the
output of `mount | grep " / "` ? should be one line that
you can paste here
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2037 [16:58:40] <blackflow> iirc the installer does LVM atop of
LUKS, but let's check that
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2041 [16:59:21] <tyrsen1> . /dev/mapper/Debian-root on / type ext4
(rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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2047 [17:01:13] <blackflow> tyrsen1: and running vgscan will show
Debian-root part of a pc thats LUKS /dev/mapper/... as well?
2048 [17:01:40] <tyrsen1> vgscan not found
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2050 [17:02:05] <blackflow> tyrsen1: is lvm2 package installed?
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2053 [17:02:18] <tyrsen1> yes
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2055 [17:03:26] <blackflow> tyrsen1: ah your /sbin is probably no
in the PATH.... try /sbin/vgscan then or use sudo
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2057 [17:03:38] <blackflow> (iirc vgscan doesn't need root)
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2059 [17:04:10] <tyrsen1> yea sudo works, one sec lemme get the
output pasted
2060 [17:04:18] <blackflow> tyrsen1: also post here contents of
/etc/crypttab if it's one line, pastebin if it's not
(don't bother with comments)
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2064 [17:05:00] <tyrsen1>
replaced-url
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2068 [17:06:02] <tyrsen1> and /etc/crypttab says nvme....
UUID=.... none luks
2069 [17:06:24] <tyrsen1> sorry i have irc running on a computer
that isn't the one being diagnosed so i'll copy directly
only if needed
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2071 [17:08:54] <blackflow> tyrsen1: it's only needed to
figure out if the crypttab entry is for a correct device and that
LVM is using unlocked LUKS container for pvs
2072 [17:09:09] <tyrsen1> ok well that's what the line says,
i'm assuming the uuid is irrelevant
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2074 [17:09:18] <blackflow> tyrsen1: btw, this is Stretch, right?
iirc there are some issues with buster and initramfs no longer
automatically using cryptsetup something something
2075 [17:09:23] <tyrsen1> yes, debian 9
2076 [17:10:33] <blackflow> tyrsen1: and whats the ouput of `cat
/proc/cmdline` should also be one line you can post here
2077 [17:11:07] <rozie> hi
2078 [17:11:25] <tyrsen1> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.9.0-8-amd64
root=/dev/mapper/Debian-root ro quiet
2079 [17:11:30] <rozie> will install Debian (unstable) using
installer and netinstall in a moment
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2084 [17:11:58] <rozie> using
replaced-url
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2088 [17:12:49] <rozie> should I take a closer look during
installation on anything? askin about installer testing
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2091 [17:13:11] <tyrsen1> this is probably a dumb question but
could it be because it's looking for Debian not Debian-root? or
is that one of them 'thats not how it works' things
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2113 [17:22:01] <GNU\colossus> whoa
2114 [17:22:04] <GNU\colossus> new release today?
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2116 [17:23:11] <blackflow> tyrsen1: it shouldn't. initramfs
scripts are looking at the device root is mounted on, which is the
Debian-root lv (probably part of "Debian" vg). thing is,
initramfs scripts should know to unlock the LUKS containers _first_,
before VGs are activated and root found for mounting.
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2118 [17:23:34] <GNU\colossus> seems like 9.8 is there:
replaced-url
2119 [17:23:55] <zleap> confirmed i am running 9.8 I though the
upgrade thing to day was big
2120 [17:24:00] <zleap> 45 packages
2121 [17:24:02] <blackflow> 9.8 has been announced yes, a week ago
2122 [17:24:03] <zleap> usually 2 or 3
2123 [17:24:07] <zleap> ah
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2125 [17:24:15] <GNU\colossus> blackflow, a week ago? where?
2126 [17:24:17] <blackflow> actually, 9.7 was out of order release
due to apt
2127 [17:24:23] <blackflow> GNU\colossus: on the debian announce
mailing list
2128 [17:24:40] <blackflow> without that apt emergency release,
this would've been regularly scheduled 9.7 update
2129 [17:24:50] <GNU\colossus>
replaced-url
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2134 [17:26:53] <zleap> that was due to the serious apt bug iirc
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2138 [17:28:49] <zleap> thats interesting my block has a rss feed
from debian announcem, the last one is dated for debian 9.7 on 23rd
Jan
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2140 [17:29:14] <blackflow> well I got the announcement in the
mail (I'm sub'd to the mailing lists). I have no idea why
it's not in the archives
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2144 [17:31:20] <tyrsen1> ok, so is there anything to do to remove
the errors?
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2150 [17:34:04] <blackflow> tyrsen1: are they errors or warnings?
does that root get mounted in the end?
2151 [17:34:13] <blackflow> I'm assuming it does since
you've pasted info about i
2152 [17:34:15] <blackflow> *it
2153 [17:34:30] <tyrsen1> it immediately afterwards asks for disk
decrypt password and everything works as normal from there
2154 [17:34:45] <tyrsen1> so it's just an inconvenience to my
ocd, essentially
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2168 [17:40:17] <blackflow> tyrsen1: I hear ya :)
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2170 [17:40:50] <blackflow> tyrsen1: if I were you, I'd trace
those errors into initramfs scripts and see at what point exactly
they're being echoed. that might hint at what's missing
2171 [17:42:34] <blackflow> personally, I don't do LVM but
ZFS, atop of LUKS, for which I debootstrap installations and have a
custom initramfs script that unlocks remotely over ssh via a
local-top script.
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2174 [17:42:48] <tyrsen1> i understood most of those words
individually
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2176 [17:43:16] <tyrsen1> though have no idea how to implement
your suggestion
2177 [17:43:41] <tyrsen1> i'll just ignore it for now, maybe
when i have some time to really sit down and tinker i can figure
something out
2178 [17:43:44] <blackflow> tyrsen1:
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/... stuff and look up initramfs-tools(7)
manpage for the explanation of the process
2179 [17:43:55] <tyrsen1> ok
2180 [17:44:00] <tyrsen1> thanks for the info
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2182 [17:44:25] <nr9032nsc6> Hello
2183 [17:44:35] <nr9032nsc6> When I do this from bash, it works
and it keeps running:
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2185 [17:44:41] <nr9032nsc6> #
/home/user/syncthing-linux-amd64-v0.14.52/syncthing > /dev/null
2>&1 &
2186 [17:45:13] <nr9032nsc6> However if I create a script file
named "launchsync" with this content ^^ and then chmod +x
launchsync
2187 [17:45:27] <nr9032nsc6> when I run launchsync, it stops
immediately and doesn't keep running
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2189 [17:45:32] <blackflow> tyrsen1: the relevnt scripts are
probably under /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ (the
manpage explains what local-top does -- step that unlocks devices
and makes rootfs visible for mounting)
2190 [17:46:02] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: do you have a shebang
line? the first line like #!/bin/sh or whatev ?
2191 [17:46:21] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: I tried: #!/usr/bin/env
bash
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2193 [17:47:00] <nr9032nsc6> and I tried yours but no change
2194 [17:47:23] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: add set +x first line
below the #!
2195 [17:47:29] <blackflow> and observe the output
2196 [17:47:43] <blackflow> oh wait
2197 [17:47:48] <blackflow> you have that trailing &
2198 [17:47:53] <nr9032nsc6> yes
2199 [17:47:59] <nr9032nsc6> set +x didn't change anything
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2204 [17:48:28] <blackflow> try `nohup` instead (look up the
manpage). but eh.... my suggestion? write a proper systemd service
unit for it
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2206 [17:48:54] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: yes i will use systemd for
this, but first i wanted to understand this basic bash/sh thing
2207 [17:49:06] <nr9032nsc6> just for learning purposes and to
know which does this script fail
2208 [17:49:14] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: just so we're on the
same page. when you run `launchsync` it exits immediately, correct?
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2211 [17:49:45] <nr9032nsc6> blackflow: exactly
2212 [17:49:51] <nr9032nsc6> and i tried with nohup, same
2213 [17:49:53] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: well yes. you started
/home/user/..../syncthing in the background. redirected all its
output to devnull. of course the calling script wille xit
immediately.
2214 [17:50:10] <blackflow> take a look at ps you probably have a
bunch of /home/user/.../syncthing processes running now
2215 [17:50:20] <nr9032nsc6> no no i already ps aux |grep ...
2216 [17:50:22] <nr9032nsc6> but nothing
2217 [17:50:32] <blackflow> well then remove the devnull redirect
and & and see the errors it produces
2218 [17:50:35] <nr9032nsc6> whereas when I type the exact same
line from my bash prompt, it works
2219 [17:50:54] <blackflow> once you're sure it works as
expected, you can redir its outputs to devnull.... or evenbeter, to
a /home/usr/launchync.log :)
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2221 [17:51:35] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: right so start debugging
by removing the stdout/stderr redirects. if you don't want it
displayed, then redir to a file instead of devnull
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2223 [17:52:33] <tyrsen1> blackflow: there's 3 files in
there: cryptopensc (not much in it), cryptroot and lvm2. deciphering
their contents is way above me at the moment, so i'm just going
to leave as is
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2226 [17:53:18] <nr9032nsc6> I'll retry
2227 [17:53:28] <nr9032nsc6> Thanks for your help blackflow
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2233 [17:57:22] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: "set +x didn't
change anything" ... yes, sorry, it should be set -x
(counterintuitively, - sets + resets)
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2235 [17:58:21] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: anyway, running the script
should output all the commands it executes, at least you confirm the
shell is executing properly. really should remove all redirections
and observe errors it produces, I bet it does
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2238 [17:59:17] <nr9032nsc6> the problem was something else lol
2239 [17:59:23] <nr9032nsc6> i named it "launchsync"
here on IRC
2240 [17:59:29] <nr9032nsc6> but on my machine I named the script
"sync"
2241 [17:59:45] <nr9032nsc6> but when I did "sync", it
did call *another* linux command called sync :D
2242 [17:59:46] <nr9032nsc6> haha
2243 [18:00:31] <blackflow> GNU\colossus: I knew I got it.
it's debian-stable-announce ML.
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2245 [18:01:01] <blackflow> and yeah, four days ago. my perception
of time is sometimes.... unreal :)
2246 [18:01:22] <blackflow> nr9032nsc6: lol
2247 [18:01:56] <blackflow> that set -x would've hinted.
seeing no output, clear sign THAT particular script was not the one
running ;)
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2254 [18:07:52] <nr9032nsc6> haha right :)
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2263 [18:11:06] <Tarrasquero> update topic 9.8
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2266 [18:11:19] <Tarrasquero> :)
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2290 [18:21:52] <quantum> For some reason when I reboot, wlan0
does not come up. (Armbian). Everything's set correctly,wlan0
has an IP, and seems up but is not associated. When I ifconfig wlan0
down/up then it associates just fine.
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2291 [18:23:15] <blackflow> quantum: that doesn't make any
sense. wlan0 has an IP but it's not associated with an access
point?
2292 [18:23:22] <blackflow> oh wait, is the IP a link local one?
2293 [18:23:44] <quantum> No the IP is a LAN RFFC1918.
2294 [18:24:02] <blackflow> so where did it get it from? static
config?
2295 [18:24:09] <quantum> Yes
2296 [18:24:17] <quantum> Configs at bottom.
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2298 [18:24:26] <blackflow> and by "associated" you mean
connected to an access point?
2299 [18:24:45] <quantum> Right, it's not. (As per the paste)
2300 [18:24:48] <blackflow> oh you have a pastebin, I missed that
2301 [18:25:54] <quantum> ... and it doesn't make any sense.
How can it be up, but not associated?
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2306 [18:27:49] <blackflow> quantum: because the two are separate
things/events, and at separate OSI layers. just like your ethernet
NIC can get an IP with unplugged cable
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2308 [18:28:07] <blackflow> quantum: check journal, any errors wrt
wpa supplicant trying to connect?
2309 [18:28:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
2310 [18:28:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need some assitance with my
apache config for icinga
2311 [18:28:48] <quantum> Feb 12 09:02:16 sagitta.darkmatter.org
wpa_supplicant[757]: Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
2312 [18:28:48] <quantum> Feb 12 09:02:17 sagitta.darkmatter.org
wpa_supplicant[889]: Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
2313 [18:28:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to get it to login via
a form in html
2314 [18:29:10] <Eryn_1983_FL>
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2316 [18:29:52] <blackflow> quantum: so it's not triggering
the configuration at all?
2317 [18:30:07] <quantum> Seems like it should be a stepwise
sequence -- associate, then run ifup.
2318 [18:30:42] <quantum> It's doing wpa daemon and ifup, but
they don't seem connected.
2319 [18:31:09] <blackflow> different OSI layers. if you had DHCP
then it'd be different
2320 [18:31:48] <quantum> I have a number of servers and
traditionally haven't added the extra layer of dhcp.
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2324 [18:33:22] <blackflow> quantum: question is, why is
wpa_supplicant not connecting. did you try run it manually from cli,
without a service? it should tell you everything
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2326 [18:33:55] <quantum> I'll try to figure out the command.
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2328 [18:35:16] <blackflow> quantum: wpa_supplicant -d -c
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0
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2330 [18:35:33] <blackflow> quantum: might need to specify -D as
well, not sure
2331 [18:35:42] <quantum> Thx
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2336 [18:37:49] <quantum> hhhinteresting:
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2339 [18:39:15] <blackflow> quantum: yeah make sure an instance is
not already running (from that systemd service)
2340 [18:40:06] <quantum> I had stopped the wpa systemd, then ran
the wpa command.deleted the socket and retarted the wpa service --
no associate. Rebooting now.
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2342 [18:40:35] <quantum> Still unassociated.
2343 [18:41:28] <quantum> Stopped the service and again have the
ctrl_iface exists and seems to be in use - cannot override it
2344 [18:41:50] <quantum> It's ill-behaved, not removing its
socket.
2345 [18:42:02] <quantum> ... although that's not my main
problem.
2346 [18:42:25] <blackflow> you _are_ running that as root, right?
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2350 [18:44:11] <quantum> Yes
2351 [18:44:36] <quantum> I've been around many years and do
everything as root.
2352 [18:44:58] <blackflow> did you try and remove that control
interface, like the message suggested?
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2354 [18:46:39] <quantum> Yep, then ran the wpa command but no
associate.
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2357 [18:48:11] <quantum> The wpa command then runs the daemon.
2358 [18:48:28] <blackflow> quantum: shouldn't, unless you
also added -B to that list of options
2359 [18:48:33] <quantum> ... but still frickin'
unassociated.
2360 [18:49:20] <quantum> It runs in foreground: # wpa_supplicant
-c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0
2361 [18:49:38] <quantum> ... still unassociated.
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2363 [18:50:44] <quantum> The interface and wpa are not connected.
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2368 [18:52:05] <quantum> The interface seems to be igniring:
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
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2370 [18:52:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys can somebody help with
apache setup
2371 [18:52:31] <quantum> I've definitely confirmed the file
is there and named correctly.
2372 [18:52:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to get bottom location
login details to go into the dir match above
2373 [18:52:37] <Eryn_1983_FL>
replaced-url
2374 [18:52:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> its for icinga
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2376 [18:53:39] <Eryn_1983_FL>
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2377 [18:53:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> some error
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2386 [18:58:46] <blackflow> quantum: why do you think it's
ignoring?
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2389 [19:00:03] <quantum> Seems like that's the connection
between the interface and wpa. Wpa should be what brings up
association but that's not happening, even when I restart the
wpa service..
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2391 [19:00:46] <quantum> Only with manual ifconfig wlan0 down/up
will it associate.
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2395 [19:03:11] <quantum> Another weird thing: When I # ssh
10.2.1.22, I can log in even with the wlan0 interface unassociated,
through the eth0 interface which is 10.2.1.23!
2396 [19:03:28] <quantum> I don't understand how this is
possible.
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2398 [19:04:30] <blackflow> you're logging back to the same
machine
2399 [19:04:53] <blackflow> daemons typically listen on all
detected interfaces, except those who are designed primarily to run
localhosts
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2401 [19:05:07] <quantum> Sure, but I'm targeting the wlan0
interface, not eth0.
2402 [19:05:08] <blackflow> (meaning your ssh.service will listen
on that IP as well)
2403 [19:05:13] <blackflow> so what?
2404 [19:05:27] <blackflow> you're connecting to an IP.
_again_ and this is _very_ important: different. OSI. layers :)
2405 [19:05:45] <quantum> Fine, but if I specify .22... how is it
possible that I actually get in .23?
2406 [19:06:00] <blackflow> not sure what you're saying
2407 [19:06:15] <quantum> Don't know how to say it any
clearer.
2408 [19:06:25] <blackflow> with a pastebin of what you're
seeing :)
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2413 [19:07:55] <quantum> wlan0 is not associated, so it can not
be communicating. I ssh to ints interface yet still get in? I must
be getting in through eth0, even though I'd specified
wlan0's IP.
2414 [19:08:54] <quantum> wlan0 interface is up, but the radio is
not associated, so wlan0 must be answering up somehow through eth0.
2415 [19:09:56] <blackflow> no. which part of different OSI layers
did you not understand? wifi and (TCP/)IP?
2416 [19:10:35] <blackflow> they are different layers. wlan0 the
network stack interface can get an IP and work normally without
being associated with an AP that's on _lower_ OSI layers.
2417 [19:11:17] <blackflow> you can ping it. you can connect to it
and routing will know it's local machine. those packets will
not leave the machine because there's no AP to send packets to,
via lower OSI layers.
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2420 [19:11:50] <quantum> So I can magickly connect to it through
no radio connexion?
2421 [19:11:53] <blackflow> so your ssh will listen on wlan0 and
when you ssh to its IP you will ssh to your own ssh.service, on that
machine, as if it was localhost.
2422 [19:12:00] <blackflow> IT IS NOT RADIO CONNECTION
2423 [19:12:10] <blackflow> your packets are not leaving your
network stack.
2424 [19:12:14] <quantum> wifi is a radio connection.
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2426 [19:12:27] <blackflow> but setting static IP on an
unassociated wlan is NOT radio
2427 [19:12:36] <blackflow> those packets don't leave the
network stack.
2428 [19:12:50] <quantum> I know. But I'm reaching it from
the LAN somehow.
2429 [19:13:16] <blackflow> not somehow. routing. the IP layer has
routed its subnet VIA wlan0
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2431 [19:13:31] <quantum> All this time I've been reaching
the device from a laptop.
2432 [19:13:51] <blackflow> what device?
2433 [19:14:24] <quantum> The device is a TinkerBoard (like a
RaspPi). It's got wifi and ethernet, and ethernet is on the
LAN.
2434 [19:14:54] <blackflow> so you're reaching it through the
ethernet
2435 [19:15:04] <quantum> The wifi interface is supposed to be
associating with a UniFi AP Pro, which in turn is also on the LAN
switch.
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2437 [19:15:16] <blackflow> unless your wifi is connected to an AP
and you just don't know tha
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2439 [19:15:25] <quantum> I'm controlling everything from a
laptop as the Tinker is headless.
2440 [19:15:54] <quantum> iwconfig clearly says unassociated, as
per my first paste.
2441 [19:15:57] <blackflow> quantum: what's the IP address of
your laptop?
2442 [19:16:09] <quantum> 10.2.1.2.
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2444 [19:16:20] <blackflow> and the ethernet NIC of the
tinkerboard?
2445 [19:16:28] <quantum> 10.2.1.23.
2446 [19:16:42] <blackflow> and the wlan0? (I closed that
pastebin)
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2448 [19:16:50] <quantum> 10.2.1.22
2449 [19:17:19] <quantum> When I ssh to .22 I get login, and when
I'm in I find that wlan0 is unassociated.
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2451 [19:17:28] <blackflow> so when you ping 10.2.1.22 from your
10.2.1.2 laptop it passes through?
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2453 [19:17:46] <quantum> Somehow I must be getting in through
eth0, even though I specify wlan0's IP.
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2455 [19:18:32] <quantum> Yes I can ping .22 even though
unassociated, by a miracle of nature.
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2457 [19:18:49] <blackflow> well, it's either THAT, or your
wifi is connected but for some reason says it isn't, OR
it's pixie dust and magick!
2458 [19:19:38] <quantum> Any idea what the iw command would be? I
can't make sense of the hundreds of options.
2459 [19:19:46] <blackflow> iwconfig wlan0
2460 [19:19:55] <blackflow> to see the current state of it
2461 [19:20:01] <quantum> That's the old way that will get
you criticized.
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2463 [19:20:21] <blackflow> possibru. I don't do wifi that
much.
2464 [19:20:21] <quantum> The new way is with iw
{something}{something}
2465 [19:20:46] <LikWidChz> iwpriv // iwconfig
2466 [19:20:55] <quantum> iwconfig says unassociated:
replaced-url
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2468 [19:21:13] <blackflow> quantum: iw list
2469 [19:21:19] <blackflow> but you'll likely get the same
info back
2470 [19:21:32] <aloo_shu> ip link [list] wlan0 iirc
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2472 [19:21:50] <blackflow> quantum: can you run `ip route` on
that tinkerboard and pastebin it?
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2474 [19:22:11] <quantum> iw list shows characteristics, not
status.
2475 [19:23:04] <quantum>
replaced-url
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2478 [19:23:56] <blackflow> quantum: routes #3 and #4 are in
conflict and are explaining what you see
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2480 [19:24:48] <quantum> How so?
2481 [19:25:13] <blackflow> you're routing to the same subnet
via two different NICs
2482 [19:25:59] <blackflow> also, is forwarding enabled? sysctl -a
| grep forward
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2486 [19:28:07] <quantum> All zeros.
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2488 [19:28:16] <blackflow> (it does say "scope link"
but.... unless it really is pixie dust and magick, the stack is just
forwarding the packets within itself)
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2492 [19:29:20] <blackflow> now the $1M question here is how are
those packets traversing the switch. is there an old rule
associating 10.2.1.22 with the port of the cable used for 10.2.1.23?
I have no idea.
2493 [19:29:38] <quantum> I'll turn off the second IP on eth0
(.23), but I'll probably lose comm.
2494 [19:29:43] <blackflow> OR that's not proper switch, but
a hub instead, so NICs are picking up all packets and responding to
the IP headers
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2497 [19:31:25] <quantum> It's a big Netgear commercial
switch.
2498 [19:31:39] <quantum> Lost comm.
2499 [19:32:18] <quantum> So in fact wlan0 is not associated and I
was getting in through eth0 with wlan0's IP.
2500 [19:32:26] <blackflow> and you can no longer ping 10.2.22
amirite?
2501 [19:32:43] <blackflow> right. because you're forcing
static IPs without proper routing and they both route in the same
subnet
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2508 [19:34:11] <blackflow> *10.2.1.22
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2511 [19:35:12] <quantum> Def a wifi problem. interface is not
connected to wpa.
2512 [19:35:24] <quantum> I'll research it.
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2514 [19:36:28] <blackflow> quantum: see if toggling -D is
required, when you run wpa_supplicant from cli. look up the manpage
for possible values
2515 [19:37:03] <blackflow> iirc I had to force that in some
situations, but it's been a while and I don't remember the
details
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2520 [19:38:10] <quantum> The proper driver is being loaded for
wifi. If I shut down/up the interface it associates.
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2527 [19:40:36] <blackflow> quantum: hrm... idea, maybe you should
disable the wpa_supplicant.service? let it be initiated by ifupdown?
2528 [19:42:06] <quantum> I'll try it.
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2532 [19:44:06] <quantum> unassociated after reboot.
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2535 [19:44:49] <quantum> wpa_supplicant.service is dead.
2536 [19:45:09] <blackflow> quantum: then try the other way
around. remove wifi/wpa options from e/n/i and see if only using
wpa_supplicant service suffices
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2538 [19:46:11] <blackflow> quantum: when you systemctl cat
wpa_supplicant.service it shows Before=network.target right?
2539 [19:46:58] <blackflow> which probably means nothing since you
have static and not dhcp setup
2540 [19:47:06] <quantum> Before=network.target
2541 [19:47:06] <quantum> After=dbus.service
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2543 [19:47:33] <blackflow> yeah, that's important for dhcp,
so the wifi is connected before dhclient tries to get an IP ove rit
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2545 [19:47:36] <blackflow> *over it
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2547 [19:48:27] <quantum> hang on a sec... look what happens when
I tab the command:
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2549 [19:48:32] <quantum> # systemctl enable wpa_supplicant
2550 [19:48:32] <quantum> wpa_supplicant@ wpa_supplicant.service
wpa_supplicant@.service
2551 [19:49:05] <quantum> I'll bet I have to enable
wpa_supplicant@wlan0.service
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2555 [19:49:41] <blackflow> that seems reasonable, if the template
is set up like that. you can look up the template in
/lib/systemd/system/wpa_...
2556 [19:50:03] <blackflow> or even better use systemctl cat so
you output the effective config after (any optional) overrides under
/etc
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2558 [19:50:42] <blackflow> at any rate, running wpa_supplicant
from the command line _must_ succeed, if the service is to succeed
as well.
2559 [19:50:56] <blackflow> I still think you had a lingering
daemon somewhere which hogged the socket
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2561 [19:51:33] <quantum> Didn't work. unassociated.
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2564 [19:52:19] <blackflow> right, so.... disable the service,
remove the wpa/wifi options from e/n/i and try to get it associated
from running wpa_supplicant directly from cli
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2567 [19:53:11] <blackflow> I really don't know what to offer
much beyond this. that's the crucial thing here. get it
connected from cli, and then the service will work for that same
config
2568 [19:53:15] <quantum> ExecStart=/sbin/wpa_supplicant
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-%I.conf -Dnl80211,wext -i%I
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2570 [19:53:51] <blackflow> quantum: huh yes, that would expect
the config file to be /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-wlan0.conf
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2573 [19:54:09] <blackflow> but again... should connect from cli
with -c
2574 [19:54:09] <quantum> O
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2580 [19:56:12] <blackflow> quantum: you know... it's very
much possible that I typo'ed that -i wlan0 instead of -iwlan0
when I first told you to try from the command line directly
2581 [19:56:31] <blackflow> it appears wpa_supplicant does not
like spaces between options and its values
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2583 [19:57:12] <quantum> Big clue: This is with all wpa services
disabled, after reboot, and then commandline:
2584 [19:57:18] <quantum>
replaced-url
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2586 [19:57:41] <quantum> Something else is in fact hogging the
socket.
2587 [19:57:57] <blackflow> check it with lsof
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2589 [19:59:11] <quantum> wpa_suppl 967 root 14u unix 0x00000000
0t0 20726 /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0 type=DGRAM
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2594 [19:59:57] <blackflow> looks like pid 967 is hogging it
2595 [20:00:47] <quantum> SThat's not my command:
2596 [20:01:03] <quantum> /sbin/wpa_supplicant
-c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dnl80211,wext -iwlan0
2597 [20:01:36] <quantum> PID 967: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -s -B -P
/run/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -D nl80211,wext -c
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2598 [20:02:50] <blackflow> that's not the systemd service
either
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2600 [20:02:59] <quantum> It must be that the wlan0 is invoking
wpa
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2602 [20:03:25] <quantum> ... sp I don't/shouldn't
enable the wpa service.
2603 [20:03:53] <blackflow> depends which process you want to
control it
2604 [20:04:07] <blackflow> I'd go for a standalone service
myself, but whatev.
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2606 [20:04:24] <blackflow> point is........... disable all, try
from command line, changing the config as needed, until you get the
connection.
2607 [20:04:45] <quantum> Yup, confirmed with reboot and all wpa
.services off, the process lives.
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2609 [20:04:59] <blackflow> started by what
2610 [20:05:09] <quantum> wlan0
2611 [20:05:17] <blackflow> did you remove wifi/wpa directives
from e/n/i ?
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2613 [20:05:33] <blackflow> wlan0 is an interface, it can't
start services itself. something else did it
2614 [20:05:46] <quantum> wpa-conf
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
2615 [20:06:04] <quantum> This line is in its config, and matches
the process.
2616 [20:06:10] <blackflow> right did you remove all those wifi
related directives from e/n/i? if not, that's what's
starting it -- ifupdown
2617 [20:06:54] <quantum> I didn't. I'll try.
2618 [20:07:08] <blackflow> which I told you like 20 minutes ago
2619 [20:07:35] <quantum> Well I disobeyed you.
2620 [20:08:11] <blackflow> wasting your AND my time :)
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2622 [20:08:42] <quantum> ... you -think-...
2623 [20:08:52] <blackflow> which is not funny. I'm gonna go
now, slightly pissed by people not listening and wasting time...
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2625 [20:09:55] <quantum> Unassociated.
2626 [20:09:57] <blackflow> no srsly, I have to go. I'll just
reiterate: disable all daemons/auto config and get it going via cli.
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2628 [20:10:19] <blackflow> maybe you need firmware for it?
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2632 [20:11:02] <quantum> It associates when ifdown/up.
2633 [20:11:24] <blackflow> you still haven't removed those
directives from e/n/i ?
2634 [20:12:25] <blackflow> oh you mean... with the directives, it
works. well... wait a minute.... if ifup brings it fully up,
what's the problem? does it not do that on boot?
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2636 [20:14:19] <quantum> Directives removed, all wpa services
off, reboot, command-line wpa, still unassoc.
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2638 [20:14:43] <quantum> # wpa_supplicant -c
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0
2639 [20:14:43] <quantum> Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
2640 [20:15:16] <blackflow> try adding -Dnl80211,wext
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2642 [20:15:22] <quantum> wifi is not your bag. I'll research
it.
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2645 [20:15:53] <blackflow> but again.... if ifup associates it on
boot......what's the problem?
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2648 [20:16:49] <quantum> ifup doesn't associate it on boot.
It only starts wpa.
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2650 [20:17:19] <blackflow> yeah I don't get what you're
saying
2651 [20:17:27] <blackflow> you said "it associates when
ifdown/up"
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2654 [20:17:39] <blackflow> that only works via wpa_supplicant
there's no other mechanism
2655 [20:18:03] <quantum> After booted I can make it associate
with ifconfig wlan0 down/up and it will associate. Has from the
beginning.
2656 [20:18:03] <blackflow> but eh, you'll have to ask
someone else. have to go now, sorry.
2657 [20:18:41] <blackflow> quantum: look into dmesg or full
journal (not just individual services) for any hints why it
doesn't associate during boot
2658 [20:19:18] <quantum> I have. No clues. Just never happens.
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2662 [20:20:24] <blackflow> it's the same mechanism. ifup is
run on boot via ifup -a . possibly it's a race condition with
something (driver, firmware loading?). dmesg should have hints. or
do the alternative which you never did properly: remove any wpa
directives from e/n/i, make sure NOTHING starts wpa_supplicant on
boot, and then try via systemd service.
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2706 [20:54:12] <Marz> Ubuntu has been booting fine with secure
boot enabled for years. What’s up with Debian?
2707 [20:54:36] <Marz> I can’t even get it to boot into uefi
if I don’t enable legacy boot
2708 [20:55:33] <Marz> On my laptop it just boots into black
screen with legacy boot disabled.
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2737 [21:07:40] <sharp15> what became of ia32libs on debian9 ?
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2753 [21:24:20] <OerHeks> sharp15, dpkg --add-architecture
<arch>
replaced-url
2754 [21:25:21] <sharp15> OerHeks: i found it. but installing
other packages via "dpkg -i" doesn't drag it along.
2755 [21:25:52] <sharp15> OerHeks: ty for answering though. and
sorry. "it" is libc6-i386
2756 [21:26:17] <OerHeks> ah yes, annotation must be correct
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2846 [22:41:14] <usney2> hey guys
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2848 [22:41:46] <usney2> how do I make the screen black and not
light up blackish gray?
2849 [22:42:06] <usney2> it is a command line login prompt
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2851 [22:42:12] <usney2> no GUI
2852 [22:42:34] <usney2> I don't want to have to leave it
logged in to keep the screen off at night
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2858 [22:43:51] <usney2> I might remove the suspend button on my
old laptop so I can be able to close the lid without it suspending
the laptop so I can still log in to it later
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2860 [22:44:24] <usney2> because I control it remotely so I
don't need the screen most of the time
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2873 [22:50:54] <jmcnaught> usney2: to disable suspend when the
lid closes you can add "HandleLidSwitch=ignore" to
/etc/systemd/logind.conf
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2881 [22:54:50] <jim> jmcnaught, would you restart something after
that?
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2903 [23:12:11] <jmcnaught> jim: I restarted
systemd-logind.service, IIRC it doesn't let you reload
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2914 [23:18:04] <awal1> how can i solve "mt76x0 1-1.2:1.0:
firmware: failed to load mediatek/mt7610u.bin (-2)" ?
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2916 [23:18:16] <awal1> i have firmware-misc-nonfree installed
2917 [23:18:22] <awal1> looks like not supported?
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2923 [23:23:18] <jim> jmcnaught, the implications of restart
versus reload... I'm not sure, what's the difference? I
remember daemons that if you kill -withsomesignal them, they would
reload the config... not all daemons could do that
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2949 [23:43:16] <bmomjian> FYI, I am upgrading from Jessie to
Stretch now.
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2962 [23:47:48] <bmomjian> I ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
and nothing was upgraded. Do I need to modify sources.list?
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2964 [23:49:28] <tpr> obviously
2965 [23:49:31] <n4dir> umpf, well, of course
2966 [23:49:48] <milkt> bmmomjian: try /msg dpkg
jessie->stretch
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2971 [23:50:56] <bmomjian> Uh, that is what I thought, but I
can't find a specific mention of that here:
replaced-url
2972 [23:51:20] <bmomjian> 4.3.1 talks about Adding APT Internet
sources but no mention of modifying the existing distribution name.
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2974 [23:52:11] <bmomjian> I see the /msg, but why is this not
mentioned clearly in the official upgrade webpage?
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2976 [23:53:25] <jim> bmomjian, what are you trying to accomplish?
2977 [23:53:27] <milkt> it is mentioned as 3rd line from bottom,
of 4.3.1 section
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2979 [23:54:33] <bmomjian> OK, I see it saying add a line, but I
guess I thought that was just a generic, here is the syntax, not
'change jessie to stretch'
2980 [23:54:59] <jim> it's actually -not- obvious whether to
alter sources.list, I get point releases of the same dist (like 9.5
-> 9.6 for example) without altering sources.list. what will be
required in that case, is an apt update
2981 [23:55:18] <jim> it depends on what you're trying to do
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2983 [23:55:50] <bmomjian> Yes, I read if you have
'stable' it will just track that and upgrade
2984 [23:55:58] <bmomjian> but I have 'jessie' listed
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2987 [23:56:25] <jim> do you want to move from jessie to stretch?
2988 [23:56:30] <bmomjian> Yes
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2991 [23:56:53] <jim> ok, the first thing, is make sure your
jessie is uptodate
2992 [23:57:43] <bmomjian> Yes, it is, nothing on
'hold', nothing partially installed
2993 [23:58:06] <jim> ok, so your jessie is fully uptodate then?
2994 [23:58:12] <bmomjian> Yes
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2996 [23:58:29] <bmomjian> I guess I was really looking for a line
like 'change jessie to stretch' rather than add a stretch
line.
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2998 [23:58:46] <bmomjian> This was clearer:
replaced-url
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