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2 [00:00:21] <sZbcE8qNfG> should I be setting the wireless
REGDOMAIN?
3 [00:00:41] <sZbcE8qNfG> i did iw reg get and it said wifi
regulartory domain is not set
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14 [00:07:44] <Scriptonaut> hey guys, I was in here earlier
trying to get help to transfer some seriously huge files (like
1.6TB) across the network to another server. I forgot to mention
that it's connected through a vpn, so security isn't
really a big deal. So I don't need encryption like ssh does.
This is how I'm currently transfering it
15 [00:07:50] <Scriptonaut> on my source machine I have: tar cf
- production | pigz | nc -l 21471
16 [00:08:14] <Scriptonaut> and on my destination machine I
have: nc cp3120 21471 > production.tar.gz
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19 [00:08:44] <Scriptonaut> since I'm just writing it
straight to a .tar.gz file, rather than piping it to: pigs -d, can I
start uncompressing it now?
20 [00:08:47] <Scriptonaut> or do I have to wait until it's
done
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22 [00:08:57] <Scriptonaut> so the production.tar.gz file is
currently being written to
23 [00:09:03] <Scriptonaut> from a different machine over nc
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25 [00:09:25] <Scriptonaut> can I just run: pigz -d
production.tar.gz /output
26 [00:09:27] <Scriptonaut> or whatever the syntax is
27 [00:10:12] <Scriptonaut> also, can anyone give me a good way
to estimate the compression ratio of gz?
28 [00:10:32] <Scriptonaut> so far I've transferred 35GB,
can I do any kind of estimation on how much uncompressed data that
actually is?
29 [00:10:45] <bites> think you have the -l on the wrong end.
30 [00:11:23] <Scriptonaut> fuck
31 [00:11:42] <Scriptonaut> it seems to be transferring
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33 [00:11:44] <Scriptonaut> how is that even working
34 [00:11:46] <tobiasBora> Hello,
35 [00:11:50] <Scriptonaut> because ya, doesn't the -l
stand for listening?
36 [00:13:14] <tobiasBora> I saw that I could load arch when
everything is installed on a ZFS partition using the command "
linux /ROOT/default/@/boot/vmlinuz-linux zfs=zroot/ROOT/default
rw". Can debian deal with ZFS, and if yes, is it the same
command.
37 [00:14:18] <tobiasBora> ?*
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39 [00:14:58] <hesco> Please let me know if there is a better
channel for selinux questions, but here is where I am stuck, hoping
someone might point the way past this step:
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44 [00:19:43] <Scriptonaut> bites: the accepted answer for this
server fault question (which addresses my issue) puts the -l on the
source machine. I have no idea how/why this works, but it seems to.
Does this make any sense to you?
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53 [00:23:21] <bites> nope
54 [00:23:47] <Scriptonaut> it's netcatting the data in
reverse somehow
55 [00:24:04] <bites> maybe meant -p instead of -l
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58 [00:25:05] <Scriptonaut> man, it bothers me that this is
somehow working
59 [00:25:10] <Scriptonaut> because now I'm scared
it's not really working
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63 [00:25:54] <Scriptonaut> is there an irc chan that
specializes in sysadmin stuff, specifically these kinds of tools?
linux archiving + compression + network transfers
64 [00:26:05] <jak2020> why not restarted the server:
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71 [00:29:36] <jak2020> Scriptonaut any advice?
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77 [00:33:34] <Scriptonaut> you want to restart the server every
5 hours?
78 [00:33:43] <Scriptonaut> er nevermind
79 [00:33:44] <EdePopede> jak2020: the timestamps in lines 2 and
30
80 [00:34:09] <Scriptonaut> you want to restart it at 4:22pm
every day?
81 [00:34:19] <Scriptonaut> it's past 4:22
82 [00:34:25] <Scriptonaut> so it's not going to run until
tomorrow
83 [00:34:26] <Scriptonaut> that's why
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91 [00:41:07] <bites> jak2020: probably because /sbin is not in
PATH in cron. try using the full path to shutdown in your script.
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112 [00:54:25] <petn-randall> jak2020: It's because $PATH is
not defined, like bites said. Try /sbin/shutdown, and it should
work.
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119 [01:02:39] <avis-> it happened to that one and you cannot
blame.
120 [01:02:42] <avis-> i can't be as big as real
121 [01:02:44] <avis-> sorry
122 [01:02:48] <avis-> icq messed up
123 [01:02:57] <avis-> i use bitbee
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131 [01:06:06] <jak2020> bites thanks
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136 [01:09:25] <jak2020> bites you are right....
137 [01:09:27] <jak2020> thanks
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182 [02:01:50] <avis-> noisy ain't natural
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189 [02:05:17] <mischief> does anyone know how to prevent man(1)
from adding items from $PATH to the manpath
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192 [02:07:25] <foul_owl> When specifying dns-nameservers in
/etc/network/interfaces, why are there two entries?
193 [02:07:40] <foul_owl> Does it assume that if a query to the
first fails, it will try the second?
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212 [02:26:13] <Kaminota> mischief, I believe you want to look in
/etc/manpath.config.
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214 [02:26:37] <mischief> yes, i see that is how you associate
paths to manpaths
215 [02:27:00] <mischief> however i read man's debug output
and it is adding a path which i never specified as a manpath, on the
basis that it is in my $PATH
216 [02:27:19] <mischief> i don't want it in my manpath but
i want it in my $PATH..
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218 [02:28:07] <mischief> Kaminota: here is the man -a -w read
2>&1 excerpt:
219 [02:28:08] <mischief> path directory /usr/local/plan9/bin is
not in the config file
220 [02:28:10] <mischief> but does have a ../man, man,
../share/man, or share/man subdirectory
221 [02:28:12] <mischief> adding /usr/local/plan9/man to manpath
222 [02:28:18] <mischief> i want to stop this behavior
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224 [02:30:03] <dominix> hi all, is there a known solution in
debian to implement a multi-tier storage management. I mean a
storage solution were I can mix SSD/SAS/SATA disk type and move
block one to another depending on how often it is accessed.
225 [02:30:53] <dominix> I was looking into Ceph documentation
but didn't find this kind of behaviour.
226 [02:31:19] <dominix> a kind of hierarchical storage ... but
at filessytem level.
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228 [02:41:08] <dominix> I guess there is no such thing in brtfs
either
229 [02:41:25] <dominix> nor zfs ...
230 [02:42:13] <dominix> by the way is zfs debian compliant ? I
mean at licence level ?
231 [02:43:13] <annadane> zfs is in contrib
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247 [02:51:48] <dominix> ok, so it's implicit, it's
compliant. thx annadane
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253 [02:57:37] <michael2> test
254 [02:58:07] <well_laid_lawn> fail
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302 [03:11:14] <gascamps> shit
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304 [03:11:23] <gascamps> someone banned me from #gentoo
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306 [03:11:30] <gascamps> i wonder how that happened
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309 [03:12:01] <gascamps> ALL HAIL HITLARY CLINTON
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311 [03:12:17] <gascamps> GAS ALL THE GUN OWNERS! HAIL HITLARY
CLINTON
312 [03:12:26] <gascamps> LONG LIVE THE NEO-FASCIST EMPIRE
313 [03:12:48] <gascamps> !ops
314 [03:12:48] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
315 [03:13:02] <gascamps> !ops THE NEGROES ARE ATTACKING US
316 [03:13:02] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
gascamps complains about a problem (see above)
317 [03:13:15] <gascamps> HITLARY CLINTON HATES NEGROS
318 [03:13:21] <gascamps> HAIL HITLARY
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366 [03:28:30] <zeratul976> So, today is the end-of-support date
for Firefox 52 ESR.
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369 [03:28:53] <zeratul976> How is that Firefox 60 ESR package
coming along?
370 [03:29:58] <gascamps> zeratul976: nobody cares
371 [03:30:18] <gascamps> we are busy supporting Hitlary Clinton
to gas all colored people with marijuana gas chambers
372 [03:30:26] <gascamps> so they commit crimes and go to prison
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374 [03:30:31] <gascamps> so spread the word
375 [03:30:38] <gascamps> VOTE HITLARY CLINTON for white power
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377 [03:30:48] <rshakin> wtf
378 [03:30:49] <gascamps> !ops white power!
379 [03:30:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
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380 [03:30:52] <oiaohm> gascamps: this is not a political channel
this is a support channel.
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383 [03:31:03] <gascamps> oiaohm: your mom is a support channel
384 [03:31:17] <gascamps> her channel is barely thick enough to
hold me though
385 [03:31:25] <gascamps> if you get what i'm saying
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387 [03:31:45] <gascamps> you wont get it, fucking negro. your
kind is too dumb
388 [03:32:00] <gascamps> i know all
389 [03:32:06] <gascamps> for i am batman
390 [03:32:09] <oiaohm> gascamps: I am here because I have a
question about grub2 so debian boots.
391 [03:32:24] <gascamps> oiaohm: install windows and all
problems are fixed
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393 [03:32:40] <oiaohm> gascamps: other than the fact windows
don't work on this computer.
394 [03:32:43] <gascamps> this channel is being shut down, by
order of the intergalactic ku klux klan
395 [03:32:57] <gascamps> oiaohm: nobody gives a flying fuck
about your problems
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397 [03:33:11] <gascamps> finalbeta: hello, welcome to Auschwitz
398 [03:33:13] <oiaohm> gascamps: tell me how do you buy windows
for a powerpc computer.
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400 [03:33:19] <nkuttler> oiaohm: just ask your question and
ignore the trolls
401 [03:33:28] <gascamps> oiaohm: you drop your computer in the
toilet
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403 [03:33:38] <gascamps> nkuttler: trolls? like you?
404 [03:33:55] <oiaohm> gascamps: how much do you think a new
power pc workstation is worth.
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406 [03:34:41] <oiaohm> gascamps: you just suggest throwing 20000
USD of hardware in a toilet.
407 [03:35:29] <gascamps> oiaohm: Your jew money is worth nothing
in the new economy that is being built.
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411 [03:36:53] <gascamps> what say you to that, jew?
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413 [03:37:17] <oiaohm> Anyone know how to make it so when grub
updates it remains using --disk-module=native and does not switch to
--disk-module=biosdisk
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415 [03:38:42] <gascamps> oiaohm: do not ignore me, jewboy
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419 [03:39:47] <oiaohm> gascamps:
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420 [03:40:20] <allorder> !ops gascamps
421 [03:40:20] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
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424 [03:42:15] <gascamps> !ops allorder
425 [03:42:16] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
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426 [03:42:26] <gascamps> allorder: i already triggered !ops you
know
427 [03:42:30] <gascamps> like a lot of times
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431 [03:44:56] <oiaohm> Anyone know how to make it so when grub
updates it remains using --disk-module=native and does not switch to
--disk-module=biosdisk
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433 [03:47:16] <allorder> oiaohm: /etc/default/grub ?
434 [03:48:42] <oiaohm> allorder: its not that one its when
grub-install is run if it run without --disk-module=native it
switchs back --disk-module=biosdisk when you have a old system who
bios only party support your harddrive it dies a horrible death.
435 [03:49:15] <oiaohm> allorder: and that happens when there is
a grub update. I would of course like to update grub without having
it shot self in foot.
436 [03:49:58] <oiaohm> Its looking like I will have to open bug
on package.
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456 [04:09:36] <foul_owl> How do I set "options
timeout" in /etc/network/interfaces?
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462 [04:21:15] <SerajewelKS> oiaohm: how often are you
reinstalling grub that it's even an issue?
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466 [04:25:50] <sZbcE8qNfG> has anyone gotten VLC to stop screen
lockout/saver when a video is playing in debian?
467 [04:26:44] <diamondman> I downloaded the newest 9.5 amd64
image, and it does not appear to have cryptsetup. I have used
cryptsetup before in debian, and I am surprised it is not in the
image by default. Am I supposed to grab a special image for that
feature?
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470 [04:32:13] <oiaohm> SerajewelKS: with general debian testing
updates about 1 every 6 months it breaks then having to manually
rerun grub-install to fix.
471 [04:32:52] <oiaohm> SerajewelKS: so it is kind of annoying.
472 [04:35:38] <diamondman> Or is it because I grabbed the
netinst iso? Is cryptsetup only available in the full disk 1
download?
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480 [04:56:21] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Is there a way, other than
doing a clean install, of removing all packages that aren't
part of the base system?
481 [04:57:31] <Pegasus_RPG> I tried getting a list of all
packages with priorities other than required and important, but that
includes things like dmsetup, libapparmor1, etc. that will break the
system.
482 [04:58:31] <Pegasus_RPG> So I can also get a list of only
packages with priority required and important, but is there a way to
tell apt to remove all packages _not_ specified?
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505 [05:13:27] <JNash_DMIS> Anyone know how to enable the
"week" view in the calendar on Gnome 3 desktop? For some
reason it only provides the month and year options.
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517 [05:18:05] <rydare> JNash_DMIS: are you talking about the
calendar app?
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520 [05:20:16] <rydare> i might have a newer version of the
calendar app than you
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522 [05:20:43] <rydare> i just got it today in unstable
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570 [06:03:20] <JNash_DMIS> rydare, Yes, the Gnome calendar. Its
annoying that it doesn't provide a week view.
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572 [06:04:29] <JNash_DMIS> rydare, I am running v 3.28.2
573 [06:04:31] <Moussa> you could try cal from terminal
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576 [06:05:21] <rydare> does the week view exist? or is the
button just missing?
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578 [06:05:29] <rydare> might be a new feature they added 3.30
579 [06:05:50] <JNash_DMIS> rydare, No, no button. Just month
& year
580 [06:06:29] <JNash_DMIS> rydare, yep, sounds like a new
feature. interesting, its there in Fedora 28 running Gnome.
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582 [06:07:45] <JNash_DMIS> Moussa, cal in term is bit basic, but
cool
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586 [06:10:13] <Moussa> what do you mean is basic?
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590 [06:11:21] <JNash_DMIS> Moussa, its just shows dates, right?
I cant see meetings... truth be told, i am not that familiar with it
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592 [06:11:35] <Moussa> ohithere, i see
593 [06:12:01] <Moussa> -ithere
594 [06:13:09] <JNash_DMIS> ?
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597 [06:14:40] <Moussa> i meant to say, oh i see
598 [06:14:49] <Moussa> typo
599 [06:15:17] <JNash_DMIS> got it
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614 [06:22:09] <Moussa> JNash_DMIS, have you tried orage?
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622 [06:26:49] <JNash_DMIS> Moussa, No, but thats a good idea. I
will look into it. Thx.
623 [06:27:24] <Moussa> i can confirm the weeks numbers do work
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629 [06:33:34] <JNash_DMIS> thx
630 [06:34:01] <JNash_DMIS> got to go, off to sleep. talk soon.
thx.
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it to build both .deb packages (libXX and libXX-dev), but both of
them are empty and do not install the resulting .so nor .h headers
on the -dev version, they're both empty. How can I go on
debugging this? Thanks!
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791 [09:41:13] <BrainWork> hi. i have a debian server i've
encrypted using the options at setup "encrypt and use whole
disk with LVM"
792 [09:41:26] <BrainWork> i now want to change that server to
NOT encrypted
793 [09:41:51] <BrainWork> i dont mind a short amount of
downtime, and it's a vm so i can access its console while it is
"offline"
794 [09:42:19] <BrainWork> how would i go about this please? ive
found various online resources but none debian specific, and they
all say "it depends how its done", im not sure how it was
done as it used the standard debian 9 install menus
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797 [09:46:22] <dka> I am at the disk part during the debian
install, I have two drive I want to create 4 volumes in RAID 1, /,
/srv, /opt, /home. I have now created 4 volumes in RAID, but when I
choose for / ext4 filesystem, I cannot set the bootable flag. Why?
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804 [10:01:09] <EdePopede> dka: i got an extra tiny /boot
partition (grub2) with ext2. i think ext4 doesn't work for
boot, since the system isn't up at that moment
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806 [10:02:50] <Habbie> EdePopede, ext4 should be fine for that
as well
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808 [10:03:40] <EdePopede> oh. thx, database updated.
809 [10:03:45] <Habbie> :)
810 [10:04:37] <Habbie> also, don't make it too small, or
make sure you clean out old kernels very regularly
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819 [10:10:29] <EdePopede> i gave my old sys 7GB and i don't
think i even touched the 1GB mark. so i gave it only that much this
time. uses 60M with 2 kernels atm, just got a new version these
days.
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826 [10:13:36] <Sansar> hello, I can't make macchanger to
change my mac address on every reboot though I commanded it so
during install. How can I automatically change my mac address?
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848 [10:29:04] <EdePopede> since /usr/local is SGID root:staff,
should i try to keep it this way? i tend to, but maybe there is a
BCP for this.
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851 [10:33:13] <ayekat> ^ wondering the same - I have a custom
instance of an SSH server, and put its config under /usr/local/etc,
but sshd wasn't very happy about the permissions/ownership
there
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867 [10:45:03] <EdePopede> the thing for me is, original dirs all
have drwxrwsr-x. but now download a tarball and a .deb and unpack
them both as desktop user (adduser -a -G staff) and root. tar
doesn't seem to know about suid/sgid, and depending on
existence of directories in the .deb they may be created on the fly.
868 [10:45:03] <EdePopede> and using mc there is a "preserve
attributes" option. so it would either ignore timestamps or not
set the sgid. now i have root:staff, root:root, and even user:staff
copied from a backup from the old system. and mixed root:root
(files) with root:staff (dirs).
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871 [10:46:39] <EdePopede> hm, let me ask gnu about their tar.
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873 [10:52:44] <petn-randall> EdePopede: I've been using
Debian for over 15 years now and just noticed that /usr/local is set
guid. I wonder why that is set up like that.
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875 [10:54:44] <EdePopede> oh, wait. i got some hamm install
disks here. maybe....
876 [10:55:55] <petn-randall> Same for jessie.
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881 [11:00:32] <EdePopede> chmod 2775 in postinst. back in 2/99.
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885 [11:03:33] <EdePopede> i guess it is the combination of GUID
and :staff. all groups are belong to staff and there is g+w. so it
is guaranteed that everything is accessible even for writing, with
debian using GID:=UID. would else be a problem, or am i missing sth?
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907 [11:19:38] <EdePopede> of, for the files: untar with
`--no-same-owner --no-same-permissions`
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935 [11:46:01] <Kivaan> During the debian installation process, a
step asks me for the ESSID of my wireless router. Now, how do I find
that?
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937 [11:46:49] <Habbie> Kivaan, it's the name of your wifi
network
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940 [11:47:39] <Kivaan> Habbie: i tried putting that in but it
says 'failed' and asks me to retry.
941 [11:48:09] <Habbie> oh :(
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944 [11:49:00] <at0m> Kivaan: generally speaking, using a wire
for installation Works Better(TM). depending on your wifi chip,
firmware may or may not be included in the installer .iso
945 [11:49:18] <Habbie> or, if possible, install without internet
and deal with it after first boot
946 [11:49:26] <at0m> Kivaan: and you entered the right ESSID and
password?
947 [11:49:47] <Kivaan> at0m: yes i entered the right name and
password.
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949 [11:50:41] <at0m> anyhow, wireless is a tad more complicated
than wired interfaces, and harder to manage with the basic installer
config
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951 [11:51:38] <Kivaan> at0m: what do you suggest I should do
now?
952 [11:51:59] <Habbie> Kivaan, can you install without network
from your boot medium?
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954 [11:52:35] <Kivaan> shall i use one of these?
replaced-url
955 [11:52:38] <Kivaan> Habbie: huh?
956 [11:52:44] <Habbie> Kivaan, you booted the installer from
something
957 [11:52:51] <Habbie> Kivaan, does that 'something'
contain enough to install without network present?
958 [11:53:20] <Kivaan> Habbie: not sure what you mean but i
booted from a usb.
959 [11:53:31] <Habbie> then it depends on what ISO that usb was
generated from
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961 [11:54:39] <Kivaan> Habbie: umm.. i downloaded a torrent from
here
replaced-url
962 [11:54:50] <Habbie> ah, netinst
963 [11:55:00] <Habbie> then yes, the answer is 'pick
another one so you can install without wifi'
964 [11:55:06] <Habbie> or at least, that is an answer :)
965 [11:55:18] <Kivaan>
replaced-url
966 [11:55:33] <Habbie> sure
967 [11:56:15] <Kivaan> Habbie: it wont need wifi during
installation?
968 [11:56:37] <Habbie> anything bigger than netinst can install
without wifi; to make sure you're not lacking in drivers or
firmware after installation, best to grab the biggest ISO you can
get
969 [11:59:00] <Kivaan> Habbie: umm... which one here?
replaced-url
970 [11:59:21] <Habbie> 'full CD' is fine
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973 [12:00:58] <Kivaan> Habbie: wait, now what does strech mean?
974 [12:01:06] <Habbie> stretch is the current stable version of
debian
975 [12:01:13] <Habbie> debian stretch = debian 9
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977 [12:02:04] <petn-randall> Not to nitpick, but the network
installer can also complete an installation without network.
You'll just have a minimal system then.
978 [12:02:21] <Habbie> ah, good to know
979 [12:02:30] <Habbie> so alternatively, Kivaan could just
finish the install and take it from there
980 [12:02:44] <petn-randall> Not sure if that makes things much
easier.
981 [12:02:50] <petn-randall> !firmware images
982 [12:02:51] <Habbie> me neither
983 [12:02:51] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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985 [12:03:01] <Kivaan> wait, full cd gives me the same iso.
986 [12:03:08] <Habbie> in either case the next step might be
'use the usb stick to transfer firmware to the installed
machine'
987 [12:03:13] <petn-randall> Kivaan: You cna try to use the
firmware installer, that includes firmware that your wifi chip
likely needs. ^^^
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1011 [12:24:32] <ws2k3> i read i can disable sectors on a
filesystem with fsck -l badsectors.txt /dev/sda10 is there anyway to
do this while mounted? or do i need to use a live cd?
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1013 [12:25:35] <blackflow> ws2k3: that just runs file system
check with a lockfile "badsectors.txt". doesn't
"disable sectors"
1014 [12:26:02] <blackflow> ws2k3: the manpage is your friend,
when you read stuff like that :) `man fsck`
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1019 [12:28:20] <dutchfish> i thought ssd's already do that
automatically while trimming? In any case, if this is a spindle, i
gues it is time to replace it.
1020 [12:28:35] <Habbie> even spindles do it automatically upon
writes
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1022 [12:28:46] <Habbie> unless they run out of spare sectors
1023 [12:28:51] <Habbie> by which time you should indeed have long
replaced them
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1025 [12:29:43] <ws2k3>
replaced-url
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1027 [12:30:46] <dutchfish> ws2k3, on spindles this is taken
already care of, as far as i know. Read what Habbie said.
1028 [12:31:11] <dutchfish> ws2k3, error: s/spindles/ssd
1029 [12:31:47] <dutchfish> ws2k3, on early ssd's this is
quiet common
1030 [12:32:20] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Show us the smartctl output
or whatever way you found out about bad sectors.
1031 [12:32:43] <ws2k3> petn-randall i cant use smartctl cause
apt-get it not working so i cant install it
1032 [12:33:15] <ws2k3> petn-randall i ran badblocks -v /dev/sdb
> badsectors.txt
1033 [12:33:47] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Then show us the contents of
badsectors.txt.
1034 [12:34:15] <ws2k3> petn-randall 284336 284337 284338 284339
1035 [12:34:27] <ws2k3> petn-randall so i have 4 bad sectors so it
seems
1036 [12:35:30] <petn-randall> ws2k3: That is not the complete
output.
1037 [12:36:09] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Oh wait, it's writing
it to STDERR, not STDOUT. I'd like to see STDERR, too.
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1039 [12:37:46] <ws2k3> petn-randall then i would have to run it
again i dont have that output anymore
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1041 [12:37:57] <ws2k3> petn-randall but there wasnt realy
anything special in them
1042 [12:38:29] <ws2k3> petn-randall it just looked like
replaced-url
1043 [12:39:51] <petn-randall> 0 errors found, great!
1044 [12:39:53] <petn-randall> ;)
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1046 [12:42:08] <ws2k3> petn Checking blocks 0 to 15761087
Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): but its gonna take a while
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1054 [12:47:37] <blackflow> ws2k3: ideally you should force the
disk to reallocate bad sectors. doing anything at the filesystem
level is just band-aid. in fact, if you start seeing bad sectors, if
I were you I'd replace that puppy asap.
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1057 [12:50:04] <colo-work> agreed.
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1059 [12:50:17] <JyZyXEL> "apt-get source libinput" is
failing with: Err:1
replaced-url
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1061 [12:50:35] <ws2k3> okay i will just insert a 16 gb usb stick
and use that one that would be fine to
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1065 [12:52:00] <Wulf> Good Morning. After some upgrades (sid) my
gnome terminal's cursor disappears when I switch the window,
and doesn't come back. Anyone else with the problem and perhaps
a fix?
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1068 [12:54:41] <blackflow> JyZyXEL: try again? could be a
temporary issue on the mirror
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1070 [12:55:04] <JyZyXEL> blackflow: i've tried multiple
times with different mirrors
1071 [12:55:50] <JyZyXEL> i tried ftp.fi, ftp.se and ftp.de
1072 [12:56:06] <inquisitiv3> I'm having trouble creating a
VM using Virt manager. I get the following error message:
replaced-url
1073 [12:56:07] <JyZyXEL> they all give 403 with apt-get
1074 [12:56:13] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, is apt-cacher-ng in use?
1075 [12:56:18] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yeah
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1077 [12:56:42] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, maybe this is related
replaced-url
1078 [12:56:43] <inquisitiv3> I'm using a Stretch image.
1079 [12:56:43] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1081 [12:57:43] <inquisitiv3> Can't find any information
about the problem. My user account is member of the groups
`libvirt`and `libvirt-qemu`.
1082 [12:58:05] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: on which host?
1083 [12:58:46] <inquisitiv3> blackflow: I'm using Stretch on
the host machine.
1084 [12:58:53] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: you were right, that fixed
it!
1085 [12:58:54] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: also not sure how libvirt
changes things, but I think you also need membership in the
'kvm' group
1086 [12:58:59] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: nice catch, thank you
1087 [12:59:00] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, :)
1088 [12:59:35] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: at least when using
qemu-system-x86_64, one needs to be in the 'kvm' group or
use sudo
1089 [12:59:42] <blackflow> *or run as root, I mean
1090 [13:00:05] <inquisitiv3> blackflow: According to the wiki it
should only be required on Jessie and older (if I don't
misinterpret the text).
replaced-url
1091 [13:02:31] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: try and see?
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1093 [13:03:04] <blackflow> or in other words... I'm not
using libvirt, but qemu-system- directly, and for that, to run
unpriv I need to be in the group 'kvm'
1094 [13:03:35] <inquisitiv3_> blackflow: Sorry, I was
disconnected from the server. Could you please resend the earlier
part of your message_
1095 [13:03:39] <NetTerminalGene> ,firefox
1096 [13:03:56] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox-esr
1097 [13:03:57] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch:
52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-3
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1099 [13:04:52] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: try and see?
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1101 [13:05:09] <inquisitiv3_> Yeah, back soon.
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1105 [13:09:12] <inquisitiv3> I'm back. I added my user to
the `kvm` group and logged out and in again. I tried to create the
VM with the same settings, but got another error message now.
replaced-url
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1107 [13:13:17] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: do you have any kernel
module blacklists or perhaps kernel.modules_disabled = 1 in sysctl?
1108 [13:14:35] <inquisitiv3> blackflow: Nothing I've done
myself.
1109 [13:15:01] <inquisitiv3> To my knowledge. I just installed
Debian on the machine (about two days ago).
1110 [13:15:17] <inquisitiv3> Is there a command to check that?
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1112 [13:16:42] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: sysctl -a | grep
modules_disabled and for the blacklists you'd have to dig
through /etc/modprobe.d
1113 [13:17:33] <dionysus69> I have a second hard drive and I want
to mount it as a data partition
1114 [13:17:41] <blackflow> however, afaik there's no such
thing there by default. no idea what's wrong there then. can
you pastebin dmesg or journal, any relevant entries?
1115 [13:17:42] <dionysus69> so which one should I choose? /usr
-static data?
1116 [13:18:18] <dionysus69> I am installing debian, i am talking
about the initial partitioning menu
1117 [13:19:15] <blackflow> dionysus69: what kind of "data
partition"?
1118 [13:19:26] <dionysus69> just random data 1tb hard drive
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1120 [13:20:07] <dionysus69> or should I not use any of those
options and mount it through fstab manually?
1121 [13:20:20] <blackflow> dionysus69: I don't think
that's relevant for the installation phase then. you can always
partition, format and mount wherever you want, later.
1122 [13:20:27] <blackflow> dionysus69: right, through fstab
later.
1123 [13:20:42] <inquisitiv3> blackflow: Hmm, `sysctl` isn't
installed on my machine.
1124 [13:20:44] <dionysus69> ok then thanks, I just dont know
fstab that well and was lazy to google :D
1125 [13:20:58] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: there's no
/sbin/sysctl?
1126 [13:21:22] <inquisitiv3> blackflow: Missed the `sudo` :P
1127 [13:21:59] <blackflow> that shouldn't require sudo.
perhaps you don't have /sbin in your user's PATH
1128 [13:23:00] <inquisitiv3> Nope, it seems that it isn't in
my $PATH
1129 [13:23:14] <blackflow> shame. :)
1130 [13:24:03] <inquisitiv3> `sudo sysctl -a | grep
modules_disabled`:
replaced-url
1131 [13:24:52] <blackflow> right so it's not disabled
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1133 [13:25:43] <blackflow> inquisitiv3: so anything in dmesg or
journal when you do whatever you do that returns that permission
denied error? and what is that exactly?
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1136 [13:31:10] <Buygrush> hi
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1138 [13:31:42] <inquisitiv3> The last 20 entries after trying to
create the VM.
replaced-url
1139 [13:31:50] <inquisitiv3> from dmesg
1140 [13:32:14] <Buygrush> is there a scriptable way to determine
if a package name is valid (i.e. corresponding to something either
installed or downloadable)?
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1147 [13:36:31] <Buygrush> "apt-cache show [pkg-name]"
does return useful exit status (0 if found, 100 otherwise) but
it's way too verbose
1148 [13:37:10] <Habbie> Buygrush, so throw the output away
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1150 [13:37:48] <Buygrush> agreed, I could do that and redirect
STDOUT to /dev/null or something
1151 [13:38:08] <Buygrush> but I was wondering if there was a
dedicated tool for that kind of operations
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1153 [13:39:55] <Buygrush> dkpg-query --show [pkg-name] has a
useful "--showformat" option that allows to tailor its
output, but (if I got that right) it operates on a list of packages
that is kept up-to-date only with dselect, which I don't use
1154 [13:39:58] <tw> rant:
replaced-url
1155 [13:40:29] <tw> it auto restores last state.
1156 [13:40:29] <rant> figures sysd got that too
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1159 [13:41:32] <rant> it must not be swt that way cause i
disabled all radios on lst have dozwn boots
1160 [13:41:35] <bolovanos> #iptables
1161 [13:41:37] <sZbcE8qNfG> when resuming from hibernation, all I
see is a black screen? I don't see anything relevant in
journalctl
1162 [13:41:51] <rant> ill have to look into it
1163 [13:42:59] <rant> its prob vid related if you got black
screen
1164 [13:43:12] <rant> which catd and drivers?
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1166 [13:44:08] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Btw, *e2fsck* allows passing
badblocks with -l. It's just that fsck does not support that.
1167 [13:44:45] <Buygrush> the whole point being, aptitude (and
apt-get, apparently) just seem to stop precessing arguments when one
of the supplied names doesn't correspond to an available
package. Older versions would simply carry on, install whatever
could be fetched, and eventually issue an error message stating that
some packages could not be installed
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1171 [13:45:47] <rant> uh i been usin debian sice potato and its
always done that iirc
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1175 [13:46:46] <rant> as it needs to resolve deps in cache before
any fetching and cant resolve an invalid pkg
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1177 [13:47:37] <Buygrush> I could be wrong, then
1178 [13:47:40] <rant> it only mentions failed to fetch when there
is a repo miss not a cache miss
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1181 [13:48:22] <rant> repo misses can happen for example when
cache is stale
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1183 [13:49:46] <rant> thats not to say that if you really wanted
to you couldnt make them ignore cache miss but sounds like a bad
idea
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1185 [13:51:12] <rant> most common cache misses are typo or
hitting a virt package with no actual pkg avail and typically you
want to correct those
1186 [13:51:53] <rant> bash HAS been able to tab complete pkg
names for years though iirc
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1189 [13:52:34] <rant> i think you gotta enable it though
1190 [13:52:36] <inquisitiv3> I got it working by rebooting my
host machine. I guess I've to do that after adding myself to
the `kvm` group.
1191 [13:53:37] <Buygrush> so, if type: "apt-get install foo
bar stuff blah" and "foo" doesn't exist (in the
cache's current state), you would describe it as a cache miss,
right?
1192 [13:53:55] <rant> sure
1193 [13:54:21] <Buygrush> the thing is, I'm trying to write
a small install script for mathematical tool which needs to be
compiled on different OS's
1194 [13:54:29] <Buygrush> (or not so different: Debian and
Ubuntu)
1195 [13:55:03] <rant> yeah so? you cant just ignore runtime OR
build deps
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1197 [13:55:18] <Buygrush> it seems a few libraries have subtly
differing names across the systems, and I was trying to pack all
variants into the same "apt-get install line"
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1199 [13:56:04] <Buygrush> aaah
1200 [13:56:59] <rant> thwn youre doin it wrong.. perhaps either
detect distro first with case for each or query for correct pkg name
1201 [13:57:18] <rant> or use static libs or a sane build system
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1204 [13:58:10] <Buygrush> yeah, I guess it would be more sensible
to detect the distribution
1205 [13:58:12] <rant> if its simple enough an app just ship libs
with it or use static
1206 [13:58:35] <tw> or if it's just deb/ubuntu, you could
package it for those two with an OR dependency.
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1208 [13:59:08] <rant> i think hes concerned about source dist not
binary
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1210 [13:59:38] <rant> which means hes not using proper build
env/tools
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1212 [14:00:48] <rant> just hackin crap together by hand which if
you wanna do that you might as well roll static libs with it
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1215 [14:01:31] <rant> or just use one of a million tools out
there
1216 [14:02:10] <rant> really for a good solution we need more
detail on the project.. its language and deps
1217 [14:02:51] <rant> all we know is youre trying to dist source
for deb based systems
1218 [14:03:04] <rant> and doin it wrong :p
1219 [14:03:17] <Buygrush> (sorry, was AFK)
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1222 [14:03:54] <Buygrush> actually I need to compile a
mathematical tool (Root) on those machines
1223 [14:04:06] <Buygrush> but I'll resort to distro
detection as you said
1224 [14:04:18] <Buygrush> thanks for the input, guys
1225 [14:04:51] <rant> idk but if you mean compiling as root user
youre doin another thing wron
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1227 [14:05:02] <rant> and dangerously wrong
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1229 [14:05:27] <Buygrush>
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1232 [14:08:03] <rant> seems like dev stalled there but they seem
to have attempted a docker image
1233 [14:09:03] <rant> the latest news on that site was a year ago
1234 [14:09:04] <tw> august 2018 release would suggest otherwise.
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1236 [14:09:35] <Buygrush> "Release 6.14/04 -
2018-08-23"
1237 [14:09:42] <rant> ah well im on tiny android phone i only
glanced at the page
1238 [14:09:48] <Buygrush> no worries
1239 [14:09:58] <rant> id look into the docker thing
1240 [14:09:58] <Buygrush> and the docker image is described as
"experimental"
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1242 [14:10:40] <rant> yeah well so is your approach.. heh
1243 [14:10:49] <Buygrush> (not to mention I know nothing about
using Docker ....)
1244 [14:11:19] <rant> me either but its designed for what you
seem to want
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1246 [14:13:47] <rant> i need to get my butt movin its gonna rain
soon.. i got crap i need to do fore that happens o/
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1248 [14:14:18] <Habbie> the torrent has just started here
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1262 [14:31:23] <Peyam> hi
1263 [14:31:31] <Peyam> Do you know any good game free for linux?
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1265 [14:31:46] <blackflow> Aisle riot. wasted so many hours in
that one.
1266 [14:32:17] <Peyam> blackflow, -.-
1267 [14:32:26] <Fox> what kind of games ?
1268 [14:32:36] <jelly> nethack
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1272 [14:34:18] <tw> i like flightgear. Higan if you play old
emulated video games.
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1275 [14:34:37] <blackflow> dwarf fortress? ooh ooh, my fav,
Enigma!
1276 [14:34:46] <inch> wesnoth, freeciv
1277 [14:34:50] <blackflow> freeciv, yeah.
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1279 [14:35:14] <Peyam> flighgear is nice
1280 [14:35:18] <Peyam> I download it now
1281 [14:35:19] <Fox> freeciv is a bit outdated, would recommend
"0 .A.D" :)
1282 [14:35:25] <Peyam> but I remember it frozed last time I
checked it
1283 [14:35:33] <jelly> ,i 0ad
1284 [14:35:34] <judd> Package 0ad (games, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Real-time strategy game of ancient warfare. Version:
0.0.21-2; Size: 5107.1k; Installed: 18473k; Homepage:
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1285 [14:36:12] <Peyam> isn't downloading speed slower in
Firefox than Chrome?
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1287 [14:40:36] <dka> I have an .iso of Windows 7, how can I make
an USB bootable key from my Debian stretch>?
1288 [14:41:11] <kirk781> dka,
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1289 [14:41:28] <dka> people keep telling me here that ubuntu !=
debian
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1291 [14:42:21] <kirk781> dka, It should work for any Debian based
distro[including Ubuntu]. It worked for me on Solus too.
1292 [14:42:30] <dka> what software do you use?
1293 [14:42:46] <dka> can't find winusb on base repo
1294 [14:43:08] <awal1> looks like gnome or I dont know who
exactly are removing title bar feature. where can I research about
that and integration with X?
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1297 [14:43:43] <awal1> I have a bit of difficulty to find info
bcoz i dont know the technical naming of not having title bar
1298 [14:44:32] <tw> title bar has always been managed by the WM.
applications can request to not have one with a WM hint.
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1301 [14:45:22] <kirk781> dka, why use a software when you can
manually do it? Scroll down and you'll find a better answer
listed.
1302 [14:45:33] <kirk781> For EFI based media creation, it's
even easier
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1304 [14:46:13] <dka> which answer do you refer on?
1305 [14:46:27] <Peyam> how do you zoom in in flightgear tw
1306 [14:46:29] <tw> awal1: might have some luck searching for
"window decorations"
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1308 [14:46:47] <dka> you can share and get a more precise link by
clicking share
1309 [14:47:02] <tw> There's a cheatsheet of controls
available.
1310 [14:47:13] <tw> You should follow a tutorial for first
flight.
1311 [14:47:25] <tw> because some of those systems are not
forgiving.
1312 [14:47:31] <kirk781> dka,
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1315 [14:49:57] <dka> which one should I use ? for bios or for
uefi?
1316 [14:50:33] <awal1> tw, ok
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1318 [14:50:57] <awal1> shade feature lost with no title bar :(
1319 [14:51:06] <awal1> stupid gnome
1320 [14:52:04] <kirk781> dka, depends on if your BIOS is UEFI or
not.
1321 [14:54:28] <dka> I have just bought the whole PC i am
installing on
1322 [14:54:41] <dka> the bios speak about UEFI, but I was able to
install Debian without using the UEFI boot
1323 [14:54:55] <dka> it was failing when I was using the UEFI
boot (my usb key)
1324 [14:55:12] <dka> how can I know if my bios is UEFI? I think
it is not on the one I have installed debian because it work fine
1325 [14:55:24] <dka> and now I am installing windows on another
computer but same configuration
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1327 [14:55:38] <dka> UEFI can be enable/disable from the bios.
1328 [14:55:47] <dka> So why would I shouse UEFI if i can disable
it
1329 [14:57:18] <petn-randall> !uefi
1330 [14:57:18] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface
(UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace
the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and
later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC
systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported.
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1331 [14:58:19] <petn-randall> dka: ^^^ whether you pick UEFI or
legacy boot, you have to stick with it for the installer the
installed Debian, and any other OSes.
1332 [14:58:26] <tw> dka: may as well get used to it; intel has
formally announced legacy bios and CSM is deprecated.
1333 [14:59:23] <tw> there's a whole bunch of virt-related
things you need uefi for, but that's not a common use case.
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1336 [14:59:54] <pja> plus Windows requires UEFI these days IIRC.
1337 [15:00:39] <tw> Not explicitly, no. You can't get secure
boot w/o it, but you can get it installed without uefi.
1338 [15:02:26] <petn-randall> tw: I'm fairly sure you can
have Windows wit UEFI and without secure boot.
1339 [15:02:33] <petn-randall> On x86 at least.
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1342 [15:04:56] <dka> What does that mean ? Using GParted rewrite
the partition table of the USB drive as GPT.
1343 [15:05:08] <dka> I was able to format it to fat32 but
can't find GPTR mode for my drive
1344 [15:05:51] <petn-randall> !gpt
1345 [15:05:51] <dpkg> GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk
partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the
Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's
<fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>.
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1346 [15:06:11] <petn-randall> dka: Not that GPT is a partition
table, not a partition or a filesystem (fat32).
1347 [15:06:15] <petn-randall> dka: Note that GPT is a partition
table, not a partition or a filesystem (fat32).
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1350 [15:10:53] <dka> I am stuck at
1351 [15:10:54] <dka> Copy all Windows files (from mounted ISO or
DVD) to the USB drive.
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1353 [15:11:27] <dka> I believe I should unzip my iso, I have done
fdisk -l and I can see my fat32 GPT device
1354 [15:11:47] <dka> I cannot mount it for some reason
1355 [15:11:54] <EdePopede> "fdisk from util-linux
2.29.2" sez here: "Disklabel type: gpt" and lists
them correctly.
1356 [15:11:55] <dka> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not
exist
1357 [15:12:03] <kirk781> dka, unzip the files and copy the
contents to the USB. If you are making one for UEFI, then it should
be auto-bootable post this point.
1358 [15:12:31] <dka>
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1360 [15:14:52] <EdePopede> dka: no partition list after
"disk identifier:"? (l.24)
1361 [15:14:59] <kirk781> dka, try mounting via a GUI. Seems like
USB isn't allotted /dev/sdb this time
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1379 [15:27:52] <petn-randall> dka: What are you trying to
accomplish? If you're trying to install Debian, stick to the
documentation on how to prepare the installer from Windows. unzip is
not needed for that.
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1385 [15:37:46] <gedia> hello all, is there anyway to provide
per-host grub configuration when using UEFI network boot
(bootnetx64.efi), similar to the pxelinux.cfg method?
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1391 [15:45:45] <dionysus69> my resolution is stuck at 1024x7...
so
1392 [15:45:48] <dionysus69> this is a new install
1393 [15:45:57] <dionysus69> I have intel i7-8700
1394 [15:46:03] <dionysus69> what package do I need to install?
1395 [15:46:27] <dionysus69> I'd prefer not to install xorg
intel package because it caused other problems from my experience on
my laptop
1396 [15:46:39] <dionysus69> is there anything else I can do?
1397 [15:47:25] <blackflow> for starters take a screwdriver and
dislodge your <enter> key
1398 [15:47:41] <dionysus69> :D
1399 [15:47:46] <petn-randall> heh
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1402 [15:48:35] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Since this is a fairly
new CPU, I'd start with using a kernel from backports.
1403 [15:48:45] <dionysus69> hmm
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1405 [15:48:48] <dionysus69> interesting
1406 [15:49:10] * petn-randall passes the screwdriver to dionysus69.
1407 [15:49:16] <dionysus69> :D :D
1408 [15:49:45] <dionysus69> come on, I am not always like this,
just excited for my new work pc with a 90s graphics
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1414 [15:52:49] <dionysus69> that helped thanks petn-randall
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1416 [15:54:10] <kirk781> dka, did you manage to finish the
burning process?
1417 [15:54:27] <dka> almost
1418 [15:54:29] <petn-randall> dionysus69: That was it? Nice, good
to hear. I would have thought that you'd need some updates xorg
stuff, too.
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1420 [15:54:35] <dka> I am trying to umount but the target /mnt is
busy
1421 [15:55:39] <petn-randall> dka: From reading the backlog
it's unclear what you're trying to do.
1422 [15:55:58] <kirk781> On a related note, I tried to install
Windows on a friends' PC couple of nights ago. Was a disaster.
For some reason, it always threw the message that Windows can't
install on MBR disks
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1431 [16:06:36] <dka> I can boot the USB key using UEFI but then I
arrive on the Windows installer screen to select the language for
the OS
1432 [16:06:48] <dka> I can't use the mouse nor the keyboard,
both were working in the bios configuration
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1445 [16:14:14] <sZbcE8qNfG> help, I'm trying to resume from
hibernation. All I see is a black screen with a cursor blinking when
it resumes
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1447 [16:14:42] <sZbcE8qNfG> I've tried a diff of the syslog
file on a normal reboot VS resume from hibernation....and I
don't see any major issues
1448 [16:14:53] <sZbcE8qNfG> what's the next step to take?
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1450 [16:15:19] <colo-work> can you switch VTs or trigger sysrq
after resume?
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1453 [16:16:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> i tried ctrl + alt +
f5/6/7/8/9/2/3/4/5 etc.....nothing happens
1454 [16:16:52] <petn-randall> dka: What does the Windows
installer have to do with Debian?
1455 [16:16:55] <sZbcE8qNfG> it's just a black screen with
nothing but a cursor blinking
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1464 [16:20:54] <rant> sZbcE8qNfG: I asked you hours ago what
video card and drivers you were using
1465 [16:21:04] <rant> this is most likely a video card issue
1466 [16:21:29] <sZbcE8qNfG> sorry I didn't see that
msg....I'm using the default graphics card that comes with
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U
1467 [16:21:33] <sZbcE8qNfG> i guess that would be i915?
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1469 [16:22:22] <rant> sZbcE8qNfG: stock stretch kernel? no sort
of hybrid discrete graphics like nvidia optimus or extra gpu of any
kind?
1470 [16:22:30] <sZbcE8qNfG> I installed firmware-misc-nonfree
package cause I had i915 warnings (after installing, it went away)
1471 [16:22:34] <sZbcE8qNfG> stock everything
1472 [16:23:24] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Which kernel?
1473 [16:23:53] <sZbcE8qNfG> I had this error in syslog: Possible
missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin for module
i915, after installing that package..it went away
1474 [16:24:05] <sZbcE8qNfG> uname -r reports 4.9.0-8-amd64
1475 [16:24:26] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: With such a new CPU,
I'd install the kernel from stretch-backports and see if the
situation improves.
1476 [16:25:02] <petn-randall> (note that your CPU was released
after the 4.9 kernel, so newer version likely fix issues on that
CPU)
1477 [16:25:31] <rant> yeah I have the i5-4300U and dont have this
issue
1478 [16:25:55] <rant> but this cpu is from like 2013 or earlier
iirc
1479 [16:26:25] <sZbcE8qNfG> can you giveme the steps to do that
as cleanly as possible? Don't want to bring in tons of packages
1480 [16:26:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> i haven't sued backports before
1481 [16:26:42] <sZbcE8qNfG> used*
1482 [16:26:49] <greycat> !stretch-backports
1483 [16:26:49] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian
10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in
the stretch-backports repository. See
replaced-url
1484 [16:26:49] <rant> backports
1485 [16:27:15] <rant> ok, quickdraw mcwooledge..
1486 [16:27:27] <rant> beat me to it, and I didnt even have my
finger on the trigger :P
1487 [16:28:09] <sZbcE8qNfG> ok so add stretch-backports to ALL
lines in /etc/apt/sources, run apt-get update and then run apt-get
-t stretch-backports install
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1489 [16:28:18] <rant> sZbcE8qNfG: NO
1490 [16:28:29] <greycat> Read the instructions on the page the
bot linked you to.
1491 [16:28:36] <rant> sZbcE8qNfG: you do not modify ANY lines of
/etc/apt/sources.list
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1494 [16:29:14] <rant> sZbcE8qNfG: you'll be adding a new
line, not changing existing ones
1495 [16:29:50] <sZbcE8qNfG> what about deb
replaced-url
1496 [16:30:41] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Have you read the link
yet? Then we don't need to copy and paste the instructions.
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1499 [16:31:13] <sZbcE8qNfG> yes, it doesn't say anything
about future updates
1500 [16:31:25] <sZbcE8qNfG> will adding deb
replaced-url
1501 [16:32:07] <sZbcE8qNfG> just curious
1502 [16:32:30] <n4dir> make an educated guess
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1504 [16:33:07] <sZbcE8qNfG> reason I'm asking is that the
default sources has separate lines for security updates and
stretch-updates. How come there is no backport updates?
1505 [16:33:10] <greycat> It's largely a moot point because
an "update" would have to EXIST in the first place before
you could wonder whether a future "apt upgrade" would pick
it up.
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1507 [16:33:40] <rant> sZbcE8qNfG:
replaced-url
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1511 [16:34:35] <rant> its actually one of the FAQ.. and the
answer is no because its tracking a moving target already and the
debian policy is loosened for backports to allow maintainers to grab
security fixes directly from sid without waiting for it to go
through to testing
1512 [16:35:59] <bites> the kernel in backports gets quite
frequent updates.
1513 [16:36:01] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok
1514 [16:36:29] <greycat> In practice, a backport gets uploaded
whenever some human being perceives a need for it, and once that
need has been met by a backport, it will probably not be superseded
by another one unless a new need is born.
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1516 [16:36:58] <greycat> Kernels are an extremely special case.
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1518 [16:38:28] <sZbcE8qNfG> i see
1519 [16:40:05] <sZbcE8qNfG> so hypothetically, if I install
postgresql-9.0....and now the new version in stable is 9.9, I will
still have 9.0 right?
1520 [16:40:31] <sZbcE8qNfG> nevermind :)
1521 [16:40:31] <greycat> *what*
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1529 [16:44:42] <sZbcE8qNfG> ok I will add deb
replaced-url
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1531 [16:44:52] <greycat> Your example was so backwards and
convoluted *and* used made-up numbers... I can't figure out
what your mental model of this process is, but it most definitely
does not match reality.
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1533 [16:45:07] <sZbcE8qNfG> yeah it was a bad example
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1535 [16:45:33] <greycat> The current stable Debian release
(stretch) has postgresql-9.6. This will never change. Stretch has
9.6. Period. Forever.
1536 [16:45:52] <sZbcE8qNfG> yep I forgot about that
1537 [16:45:59] <greycat> Unstable has postgresql-10 but there is
currently no backport of it, so that's kinda moot.
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1540 [16:46:43] <greycat> But IF IN THEORY some day someone made a
backport of postgresql-10 for stretch, and you installed it, then
you would have both postgresql-9.6 and postgresql-10 on stretch,
because they are separate packages, and they coexist, and Debian
uses a weird cluster thingy-doodad.
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1544 [16:47:09] <greycat> If you want to migrate your actual pg
databases to the new release, you have to run some cluster
migration/dropping commands which are listed in the Debian docs.
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1546 [16:47:36] <sZbcE8qNfG> yeah
1547 [16:48:38] <petn-randall> (which is why postgres is bad
example)
1548 [16:48:42] <sZbcE8qNfG> 1 more question: 4.17 is the latest
kernel in stretch-backports? I used search and that's what it
said
1549 [16:48:49] <greycat> ,kernels
1550 [16:48:50] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.19.0-rc2-686 (4.19~rc2-1~exp1); sid: 4.17.0-3-686
(4.17.17-1); buster: 4.17.0-3-686 (4.17.17-1); stretch-backports:
4.17.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.17.17-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae
(4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae
(4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1); wheezy-
1551 [16:48:51] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1552 [16:49:00] <petn-randall> yes
1553 [16:49:09] <greycat> judd says yes too
1554 [16:50:20] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: linux-image-amd64 from
stretch-backports will always depend on the kernel from
stretch-backports, so it makes sense to install that if you need it.
Note however that it will be a moving target: Some time in the
future it will be 4.18, then 4.19, etc.
1555 [16:50:56] <sZbcE8qNfG> i see...hopefully it will be stable
enough
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1557 [16:51:58] <bites> you can keep multiple kernels to fall back
to in case it isn't. they are not deleted on upgrade.
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1563 [16:54:13] <sZbcE8qNfG> all done, time to reboot and find out
:)
1564 [16:54:15] <sZbcE8qNfG> thanks!
1565 [16:54:28] <dka> Does anybody know here how I can add USB3
driver to USB stick from debian?
1566 [16:54:36] <dka> It's a windows 7 usb stick
1567 [16:54:42] <dka> people from #windows doesn't have a
clue
1568 [16:55:14] <Wulf> dka: mount it, copy the file, unmount it?
1569 [16:55:39] <Wulf> dka: it might be auto mounted. Have a look
at /media/dka/
1570 [16:56:19] <petn-randall> dka: What filesystem is there on
the USB stick?
1571 [16:56:46] <dka> fat32
1572 [16:56:54] <dka> I have mounted the file on the stick under
driver
1573 [16:57:10] <dka> I have used these drivers:
replaced-url
1574 [16:57:20] <dka> I have extracted the zip in /mnt/drivers
1575 [16:57:42] <dka> then I moved to the same folder all the
sources I could find in /mnt/drivers directories recursively
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1580 [17:01:08] <dka> it does not work
1581 [17:03:01] <SerajewelKS> !doesn't work
1582 [17:03:01] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
1583 [17:03:16] <Habbie> !sicco
1584 [17:03:17] <dpkg> Please ask sicco questions, questions that
are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me
about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
1585 [17:03:48] <greycat> I don't know how you could possibly
conceive of the idea that we would know how to add a Windows driver
to a Windows install image.
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1587 [17:04:00] <greycat> Back on the /ignore list he goes.
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1590 [17:05:21] <SerajewelKS> dka: this is a windows driver, not a
linux driver. are you trying to make this driver work on a debian
system, or what?
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1595 [17:07:48] <dka> SerajewelKS, the problem is that I have only
3 debian hosts, no dvd drive, no cd drive
1596 [17:07:49] <sZbcE8qNfG> damn same problem, black screen with
cursor blinking when resuming
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1598 [17:07:58] <dka> I need to install Win 7 on one of them
1599 [17:08:05] <Wulf> dka: install from network?
1600 [17:08:18] <dka> Wulf, don't see how it would help
1601 [17:08:32] <Wulf> dka: you wouldn't need usb drivers for
that :-)
1602 [17:08:41] <dka> it's need usb3 for ssd
1603 [17:08:54] <dka> the problem is not the usb stick which is
plug in USB2 port
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1606 [17:09:08] <dka> the problem is that I have no HARD drive
available except SSD drive
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1609 [17:09:22] <Wulf> dka: I see. It's possible to patch the
.wim (?) windows installer files to include more drivers
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1611 [17:09:29] <Wulf> dka: I don't remember exactly how, but
it wasn't too hard
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1613 [17:09:35] <dka> Wulf, I have seen that, but then I need a
windows available
1614 [17:09:45] <dka> it is explained for windows here
1615 [17:09:45] <dka>
replaced-url
1616 [17:09:48] <Wulf> dka: nope, I did that from my debian
installation
1617 [17:09:56] <dka> And one is explaining for linux dist here :
replaced-url
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1620 [17:11:23] <dka> I haven't been through step 1 :
"Download the latest version of the SystemRescueCd (make sure
it's in .iso format)."
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1631 [17:17:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> strange
1632 [17:17:46] <sZbcE8qNfG> suspend works....hibernate does not
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1638 [17:19:46] <no_gravity> Hello! I'm trying to make the
cursor of the mate terminal stop blinking. I already did what people
suggest on the web: use gconf-editor to set cursor_blink_mode to
off. But that has no effect.
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1643 [17:22:34] <crazyisaac> Hey i have been trying to autorun
Guake when i startx but it doesn´t work.I tried to use crontab
and sudo cp /usr/share/applications/guake.desktop
/etc/xdg/autostart/ too, but nothing works. Can someone help me?
1644 [17:22:55] <dka> Is there a way to edit archive .wim or to
create .wim from debian?
1645 [17:22:59] <no_gravity> I found the cursor thing! There is a
setting in the terminal for it :)
1646 [17:23:37] <no_gravity> crazyisaac: Which WM?
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1648 [17:24:16] <crazyisaac> no_gravity: Debian 9
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1652 [17:24:47] <greycat> crazyisaac: gnome? kde? xfce? i3? fvwm?
1653 [17:24:52] <no_gravity> crazyisaac: You mean you use the WM
(Window Manager) that Debian 9 suggests by default?
1654 [17:25:05] <no_gravity> crazyisaac: I don't know which
one that is. Personally, I use the Mate Desktop.
1655 [17:25:24] <crazyisaac> no_gravity: im using fluxbox if is
that what u mean
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1657 [17:25:56] <no_gravity> crazyisaac: Let me google that ...
1658 [17:26:07] <crazyisaac> no_gravity: sure
1659 [17:26:18] <n4dir> should have an autostart file in .config.
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1661 [17:26:40] <no_gravity> crazyisaac: Yes, it seems to be a
window manager.
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1663 [17:27:09] <crazyisaac> no_gravity: im so noob srry if i fail
xdd
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1665 [17:27:42] <no_gravity> crazyisaac: How do you start fluxbox?
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1667 [17:27:58] <sZbcE8qNfG> do you think I should keep the new
kernel or revert back since it did not help fix the resume issue?
1668 [17:28:17] <no_gravity> crazyisaac: Well, I have to go. Good
luck!
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1691 [17:45:17] <galex-713> Hi
1692 [17:45:27] <kirk781> Hi galex-713
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1694 [17:47:23] <galex-713> I now noticed these two actions (as
root of course) turned the screen blank and the system unresponding:
service gdm start, and startx
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1698 [17:48:01] <galex-713> I finally succeeded to boot by
appending “systemd.unit=multi-user.target” to linux so
init doesn’t run gdm itself
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1703 [17:49:15] <galex-713> I also noticed this problem only occur
when I try to boot on this laptop, a thinkpad X60, with Libreboot
(the free-software bios replacement): could that be linked to the
absence of BIOS (it run directly grub, without seabios or any bios)?
1704 [17:50:20] <galex-713> when I boot this system under the
other computer, a x60t, without libreboot (stock bios) it works
1705 [17:51:03] <galex-713> also, I observe the same problem on
the live image I used to install this system: blank screen when X
should load (though normally live image doesn’t load the DM
login screen)
1706 [17:51:14] <galex-713> oh sorry, normally it’s lightdm,
not gdm
1707 [17:51:32] <galex-713> I *think* I tested service lightdm
start, not gdm start
1708 [17:51:35] <galex-713> should I?
1709 [17:52:07] <galex-713> notice the graphical installation went
fine
1710 [17:52:29] <galex-713> recall me: does graphical installation
use xorg? does live image use lightdm?
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1716 [17:55:19] <petn-randall> galex-713: yes, and maybe. I think
it's gdm3 by default.
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1718 [17:56:04] <galex-713> petn-randall: I think only lightdm is
installed here
1719 [17:56:56] <galex-713> petn-randall: yes to what? to
graphical installation using xorg?
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1727 [18:04:48] <petn-randall> galex-713: yes
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1765 [18:38:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> has anyone gotten vlc and
screenlocking working together in MATE?
1766 [18:38:40] <sZbcE8qNfG> when I watch a video fullscreen, MATE
runs the screenlocker after a certain time
1767 [18:38:55] <sZbcE8qNfG> vlc "disable screensaver"
flag is already set
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1770 [18:46:25] <mtn> sZbcE8qNfG: something in the power
management settings?
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1774 [18:49:30] <ws2k3> update-grub shows me the sdb1 but this
should be sdc1. how can i change this? /boot/grub/boot.cfg ?
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1776 [18:50:44] <petn-randall> ws2k3: The real question is
"why aren't you using UUIDs yet?".
1777 [18:51:01] <petn-randall> ws2k3: What is now sdb1 might be
sda1 on next reboot.
1778 [18:51:06] <jehorn> Yeah use UUID, blkid to get that.
1779 [18:51:40] <ws2k3> petn-randall cause i cloned the disk to a
new disk. i already boot from the new disk. so grub is working
there. but it still boots towards the old disk
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1783 [18:52:45] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Use `blkid` to look up the
UUID of the disk, and use that as reference. Using canonical names
is not safe, as they can change with the kernel, disk order, and
with the change of the wind.
1784 [18:53:27] <ws2k3> petn-randall i already changed the blkid
in fstab. but i dont know what i should change in the grub.cfg
1785 [18:53:37] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Your grub config is updated
with `update-grub`, and it sources data from /etc/default/grub.
1786 [18:54:11] <petn-randall> and maybe /etc/fstab, I guess.
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1789 [18:54:38] <petn-randall> I'm guessing `update-grub` is
all you need for it to update.
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1791 [18:54:54] <ws2k3> i already tryed it when i ran update-grub
it took the old disk
1792 [18:55:22] <ws2k3> petn-randall and there is no id in the
/etc/default/grub
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1795 [18:56:23] <petn-randall> "but it still boots towards
the old disk" I don't know what you mean with that.
1796 [18:56:42] <petn-randall> Did you update the UUIDs after
cloning the disk? Otherwise the system won't be able to
distinguish them.
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1798 [18:58:07] <ws2k3> petn-randall i updates the UUID in fstab
but not in grub
1799 [18:58:32] <ws2k3> "but it still boots towards the old
disk" means that i ended up with a / from the old disk(mount)
1800 [18:58:36] <petn-randall> ws2k3: No, those of the disk. If
you didn't change them, then both the old and the new disk have
the same UUID.
1801 [18:59:10] <ws2k3> petn-randall i just inserted a new disk.
so it got a new UUID
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1803 [18:59:33] <rydare> if you do task-sel GNOME does Debian
install NetworkManager? I did LXQT and it installed conman
1804 [19:00:12] <ws2k3> petn-randall hmm.... yeah you are right.
both have the same uuid in blkid
1805 [19:00:31] <jehorn> I think it does install the gnome network
manager if you do apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
1806 [19:01:06] <rydare> ok, i installed networkmanager and
uninstalled conman... network breifly went out until i restarted
networkmanager
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1808 [19:03:04] <petn-randall> ws2k3: Yes, you need to change
those. If it's GPT, you can simple run `sgdisk -R
/dev/<disktochange>`
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1810 [19:03:28] <petn-randall> Correction, `sgdisk -G
/dev/<disktochange>`
1811 [19:03:32] <petn-randall> Always check the man page :)
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1815 [19:04:59] <lappet> hi guys
1816 [19:05:33] <lappet> i just install debian alongside ubuntu,
without grub.
1817 [19:06:18] <lappet> i want to add debian to boot list on grub
1818 [19:06:52] <petn-randall> lappet: You want to add Debian to
Ubuntu's grub?
1819 [19:06:53] <lappet> how can i do that ?
1820 [19:06:54] <greycat> Pick one operating system to be the one
that manages your grub configuration, and run update-grub in that
OS.
1821 [19:07:00] <jehorn> So you install GRUB in the Ubuntu
install, then installed Debian?
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1823 [19:07:10] <jehorn> Yeah, just about to say that
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1825 [19:07:19] <tw> rustc made it to backports? we might even get
ff esr60 =D
1826 [19:07:31] <ws2k3> petn-randall sgdisk command not found
1827 [19:07:40] <kirk781> Wait, one can install two Linux distros
without configuring Grub?
1828 [19:07:44] <lappet> jehorn: yup. something like that
1829 [19:07:47] <greycat> ,v rustc
1830 [19:07:48] <judd> Package: rustc on amd64 -- stretch:
1.14.0+dfsg1-3; buster: 1.28.0+dfsg1-2; sid: 1.28.0+dfsg1-2
1831 [19:08:08] <jehorn> Just run sudo update-grub in Ubuntu, it
should find Debian automatically.
1832 [19:08:23] <lappet> update-grub still dont get it right.
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1834 [19:08:49] <lappet> i need to add the debian to boot menu for
EFI conf
1835 [19:09:09] <tw> mine says '1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u2'
1836 [19:09:11] <petn-randall> lappet: You'll have to ask in
#ubuntu then how to chain-boot Debian. In Debian, that's all
you need to do.
1837 [19:09:39] <greycat> tw: maybe judd's out of sync, then
1838 [19:09:46] <jehorn> Oh okay, yeah EFI is a whole different
thing.
1839 [19:09:50] <lappet> maybe its something to do with efibootmgr
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1841 [19:11:00] <lappet> i want to follow efibootmgr guides (from
internet). but i cant find *.efi file on my debian `/boot` dir.
1842 [19:11:36] <greycat> if you're letting Ubuntu manage
your grub configs, you really should be asking #ubuntu, not us
1843 [19:11:49] <lappet> do i need to run `grub-install` on my
debian?
1844 [19:11:56] <petn-randall> The EFI PE32 executable comes from
grub, so that's still a Ubuntu issue then.
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1847 [19:13:09] <lappet> i've dont solve this issues till
now.
1848 [19:13:12] <lappet> i've installed some distro alongside
debian some time ago
1849 [19:13:32] <jhutchins_wk> lappet: update-grub should find and
add any OS you have on the system.
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1852 [19:14:32] <lappet> jhutchins_wk: i've searched way to
do this when i use wheezy though
1853 [19:15:02] <ws2k3> petn-randall with tune2fs i assigned a new
id
1854 [19:16:22] <lappet> btw, sorry for my bad english
1855 [19:16:40] <annadane> your english is fine
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1858 [19:17:05] <lappet> annadane: thank you
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1860 [19:19:16] <lappet> i'll try tricks from internet
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1863 [19:21:25] <galex-713> petn-randall: should I try with gdm?
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1869 [19:24:10] <misirk85> hello, i have issue with debian live
non free usb stick
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1871 [19:25:06] <misirk85> i write iso image using dd to usb,
after it i reboot pc, usb is fine - botable, but wken i tries run
live
1872 [19:25:19] <misirk85> its stopped in main menu
1873 [19:26:13] <Lope> I've got nbd-server 3.15.2 on Debian
9. And I've got nbd-client 3.16.2 on Ubuntu 18.04. When I
connect the client to server the nbd-server gets a segfault.
1874 [19:26:22] <Lope> Is there a new version of nbd-server in
backports?
1875 [19:27:00] <jhutchins_wk> misirk85: Did you check the
checksum of the image you downloaded?
1876 [19:27:06] <greycat> ,v nbd-server
1877 [19:27:08] <judd> Package: nbd-server on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.2-4~deb7u5; wheezy-security: 1:3.2-4~deb7u5; jessie-security:
1:3.8-4+deb8u1; jessie: 1:3.8-4+deb8u3; stretch: 1:3.15.2-3; buster:
1:3.18-1; sid: 1:3.18-1
1878 [19:27:15] <jhutchins_wk> misirk85: What do you mean by
"main menu"?
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1881 [19:28:14] <misirk85> menu where i choose option bootable usb
-> 1. run live 2-> install debian os etc
1882 [19:28:30] <jhutchins_wk> lappet: Make sure you check the EFI
documentation on the Debian wiki (and other pages).
1883 [19:28:40] <misirk85> i dont check checksum, i will check
1884 [19:29:26] <misirk85> i download from
replaced-url
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1886 [19:29:54] <sZbcE8qNfG> question, do backports require a
similar line in apt sources for security updates: deb
replaced-url
1887 [19:30:03] <misirk85> image
debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-lxde+nonfree.iso
1888 [19:30:20] <annadane> sZbcE8qNfG, no
1889 [19:30:27] <awal1> !backports
1890 [19:30:28] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
1891 [19:30:47] <annadane> just the one line - deb
replaced-url
1892 [19:30:57] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok thanks
1893 [19:31:14] <misirk85> checksum is ok
1894 [19:31:17] <Lope> annadane, who are you talking to?
1895 [19:31:19] <sZbcE8qNfG> i don't use contrib so no need
to add that one
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1897 [19:31:31] <greycat> obviously she's talking to the guy
who asked the backports question
1898 [19:31:31] <sZbcE8qNfG> me
1899 [19:31:36] <annadane> well, if you use non-free you need
contrib
1900 [19:31:36] <Lope> alright
1901 [19:31:45] <sZbcE8qNfG> why?
1902 [19:32:01] <annadane> because so many packages in contrib
rely on non-free and vice versa
1903 [19:32:04] <ws2k3> when i run apt-get update i get
Segmentation fault i already removed rm -rf
/usr/bin/apt-listchanges/*.* and rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*.bin what
can i do to debug this further
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1905 [19:32:23] <greycat> you can actually use contrib without
non-free, but not the other way around
1906 [19:32:29] <sZbcE8qNfG> the 2 packages I needed didn't
have any dependencies in contrib (at least apt didn't warn me
about it)
1907 [19:32:54] <greycat> things in non-free (like
intel-microcode) will depend on things in contrib (like iucode-tool)
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1909 [19:33:12] <sZbcE8qNfG> won't apt-get install
packagefromnonfree complain about it
1910 [19:33:42] <awal1> a single word in sources file really
matters?
1911 [19:33:44] <awal1> :P
1912 [19:33:51] <annadane> it's really best to just add them
regardless, it doesn't hurt anything
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1915 [19:34:27] <ws2k3> found this in the syslog segfault at
b757bfff ip b74b2409 sp bfd79171 error 7 in
libstdc++.so.6.0.22[b7406000+170000]
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1917 [19:34:39] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok, I'll add it...does this
look OK:
replaced-url
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1920 [19:35:31] <annadane> that's correct
1921 [19:35:37] <sZbcE8qNfG> great thanks!
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1923 [19:36:13] <misirk85> enyone had similar issue?
1924 [19:36:24] <annadane> for those with a true aversion to
non-free or contrib software you can apt show foo where foo is the
name of a package and under "section" it may say contrib
or non-free
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1926 [19:36:51] <annadane> synaptic actually makes this easier,
much as i hate to admit it
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1928 [19:38:26] <annadane> (also the vrms package for already
installed contrib and non-free packages)
1929 [19:39:33] <sZbcE8qNfG> i see
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1940 [19:44:17] <Lope> I'm trying to share a block device
across my network but nbd-server keeps segfaulting. It's
version 3.15.2 (latest) on Debian 9. I'm even trying on the
same machine, same versions of nbd-client and nbd-server.
`nbd-server -C /dev/null 0.0.0.0@1234 /dev/sdb1` `nbd-client
127.0.0.1 1234 /dev/nbd0 -persist`
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1942 [19:44:57] <Lope> segfault at 0 ip 00007fef2196253e sp
00007fff1ebeeb88 error 4 in libc-2.24.so[7fef218d3000+195000]
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1950 [19:49:37] <Wulf> Where can I download old packages for SID?
1951 [19:49:43] <greycat> !snapshot
1952 [19:49:43] <dpkg>
replaced-url
1953 [19:50:16] <Wulf> greycat: thankyou!
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1958 [19:51:44] <jhutchins_wk> !nbd
1959 [19:51:44] <dpkg> it has been said that nbd is Network Block
Device --
replaced-url
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1961 [19:52:18] <galex-713> petn-randall: re
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1978 [20:07:35] <misirk85> anyone? ;> :)
1979 [20:08:19] <annadane> misirk85, you can try asking
#debian-live on irc.oftc.net
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1982 [20:10:17] <misirk85> thank you annadane
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1985 [20:10:44] <annadane> i know someone suggested checking the
checksum
1986 [20:10:56] <misirk85> i already check checksum is ok
1987 [20:11:24] <misirk85> when i reboot pc i make photo/movie
what i see
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1990 [20:11:57] <misirk85> but before it i shall go to shop :)
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2049 [21:00:57] <paw> hi, question. what's the way to get a
list of keymaps on debian. localectl list-keymaps doesn't seem
to work?
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2053 [21:02:12] <NetTerminalGene> anyone here uses pidgin as irc
client? is it laggy?
2054 [21:02:28] <diamondman> I went to install a new debian
instance with disk encryption (Done it before), but the isos I
downloaded don't have cryptsetup. Do I have to download it with
anna or something?
2055 [21:02:49] <annadane> !tias
2056 [21:02:49] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
2057 [21:02:50] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, ^
2058 [21:03:04] <annadane> depends on your computer
2059 [21:03:19] <diamondman> NetTerminalGene: I have not used it
recently, but I don't remember there being any 'lag'
issues
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2069 [21:16:47] <awal1> NetTerminalGene, if it is for irc stuff,
hexchat is good
2070 [21:17:12] <NetTerminalGene> i am bored from hexchat
2071 [21:17:59] <awal1> weechat if you like cli/tui mode
2072 [21:19:01] <NetTerminalGene> i don't want cli
2073 [21:19:29] <tsglove> lol
2074 [21:19:36] <N3X15> The problem with hexchat is that it uses
GTK
2075 [21:19:41] <N3X15> and GTK is shiiiiiiit
2076 [21:19:48] <NetTerminalGene> :|
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2078 [21:20:13] <N3X15> and I thought this was another channel,
apologies for the language
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2080 [21:21:02] <NetTerminalGene> anyone uses gajim here? someone
suggested that
2081 [21:21:11] <NetTerminalGene> gajim as irc client
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2083 [21:21:59] <N3X15> gajim is an XMPP client, which is a
different protocol
2084 [21:22:01] <LtL> !anyone
2085 [21:22:02] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2088 [21:23:17] <awal1> NetTerminalGene, what are you expecting to
find in your "next" irc client?
2089 [21:23:47] <NetTerminalGene> different interface
2090 [21:23:53] <tsglove> dude, whatever we suggest, he'll
have a "no because xyz" w/e
2091 [21:23:55] <awal1> lol
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2093 [21:24:45] <awal1> gui clients are all similar
2094 [21:25:00] <awal1> jump to weechat/irssi
2095 [21:25:25] <tsglove> no because text
2096 [21:25:38] <NetTerminalGene> i like its looking
replaced-url
2097 [21:25:40] <N3X15> yeah, he already said that was a no-go
2098 [21:25:50] <greycat> because xyz
2099 [21:25:51] <N3X15> NetTerminalGene, pidging might be a
solution for you
2100 [21:25:58] <N3X15> pidgin*'
2101 [21:26:02] <greycat> damn you, xyz!!
2102 [21:26:15] <NetTerminalGene> it was lagging. i don't
know the current situation
2103 [21:26:34] <N3X15> and that image is of an XMPP chat
2104 [21:26:43] <N3X15> which is not IRC
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2107 [21:28:54] <awal1> NetTerminalGene, in any irc client with a
gui you'll have a channel tabs, , an user list section + tools
menu/title bar if needed
2108 [21:29:01] <awal1> same fot tui/cli clients
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2111 [21:29:51] <awal1> if you remove the hexchat title bar and
change from tree mode to tabs for channels you get exactly same look
as gajim
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2115 [21:31:45] <awal1> not sure how to remove title bar under
gnome, kde and other DE's
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2117 [21:31:56] <awal1> easy when running just WM's
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2120 [21:33:14] <awal1> NetTerminalGene, if bored, try spending
your time learning code, bash or anything constructive...:P
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2122 [21:33:45] <greycat> I suggest learning a sane language
before bash.
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2125 [21:35:20] <awal1> fore example?
2126 [21:35:22] <awal1> :P
2127 [21:35:48] <greycat> python seems to be the grudgingly
accepted default choice
2128 [21:35:58] <awal1> hm
2129 [21:36:13] <greycat> basically, not PHP, not BASIC, and not
sh/bash
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2132 [21:37:53] <FinalX> python is annoying with incompatibilities
between 2.x and 3.x, libraries still often only available for 2.x
and not 3.x, inconsistencies between versions with 2.x and within
3.x etc..
2133 [21:38:42] <FinalX> then again, golang is annoying with
relying mostly on third-party libraries that can be riddled with
malware and you often not realising when you pull them into your
project that you're compiling :P
2134 [21:38:50] <FinalX> but I like golang, and python.. :)
2135 [21:41:40] <tsglove> I always suggest to beginners python.
Even with the 2.x vs 3.x incompatibilities, it's a great
language.
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2139 [21:46:33] <Lope> when I run `nbd-server -C /dev/null
0.0.0.0@1234 /dev/sdb1` it forks and when a client connects,
nbd-server segfaults. If I run it with -d appended meaning
"don't fork" it works perfectly, I've tested
many clients with local and remote clients, same version client and
diff version. Any ideas?
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2141 [21:46:55] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: What about nfs or cifs?
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2143 [21:47:05] <jhutchins_wk> !nbd
2144 [21:47:05] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, nbd is
Network Block Device --
replaced-url
2145 [21:47:07] <Lope> jhutchins_wk, I need to share a block
device
2146 [21:47:37] <Lope> nfs and cifs don't work for block
devices.
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2150 [21:49:04] <jhutchins_wk> Well, hard disks are block devices,
aren't they?
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2153 [21:50:45] <Lope> that's a nonsequitor
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2155 [21:51:56] <Lope> You're raising a new irrelevant
concept (hard disks)
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2168 [22:04:26] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: ...which might imply that
perhaps you should share more about your problem, like what the
device you're sharing actually is.
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2170 [22:05:39] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: Perhaps I do not understand
your definition of "block device".
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2172 [22:05:52] <Lope> it's irrelevant. It works when not
forking, and nbd-server crashes with the same options if it has
forked.
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2174 [22:06:17] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: If you know what the answer
is, why are you asking here?
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2176 [22:07:10] <Lope> I can also ask nonsensical questions, if
you're trying to help people, why do you ask for irrelevant
information?
2177 [22:08:05] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: Because it does not appear to
me to be irrelevant. We often see people trying to do something with
completely inappropriate methods, so we often ask for the background
of the problem.
2178 [22:08:09] <jhutchins_wk> !xy
2179 [22:08:09] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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2183 [22:09:07] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: If your actual goal is to
establish nbd so that you can learn how to use it then that implies
different questions than if your goal is to share some storage.
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2189 [22:13:44] <VinAlencc> Hello, guys! How are you? I just want
to ask you something about iptables. I'm learning about
firewall in GNU/Linux servers, and a topic mention
/proc/net/ip_conntrack, but I can't find it in Debian 9. What
happened with this file? Or which package do I need to install to
have it installed into my system? Is there a alternative to this
file? If so, which alternative?
2190 [22:13:52] <VinAlencc> Thanks for your attention.
2191 [22:14:13] <greycat> that's not a real file; /proc and
/sys are virtual file systems that the kernel uses to present
information about its internal state
2192 [22:14:40] <VinAlencc> greycat: Well, this information was
told me by a friend.
2193 [22:14:43] <greycat> You probably have to run some kind of
iptables command *first* before the kernel creates that virtual file
to represent whatever it is.
2194 [22:14:55] <VinAlencc> Got it
2195 [22:15:26] <VinAlencc> Well... I'm going to look for it.
Thanks, greycat.
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2199 [22:16:19] <greycat>
replaced-url
2200 [22:16:34] <greycat> "intended to replace the old
/proc/net/ip_conntrack interface"
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2235 [22:42:23] <jhutchins_wk> !iptables
2236 [22:42:23] <dpkg> [iptables] The user-space process used to
administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about
<netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up
iptables, see
replaced-url
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