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• 2[00:01:19] <violentE> so when I tried to boot again and select the older kernel version and wasn't able to get to a place where I can edit it, but let me try to do some stuff itll be a couple of moments. before I do I tried to type out as best I could the exact non commented lines of source.list
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• 4[00:02:36] <violentE> replaced-url
• 5[00:02:37] <LtL> violentE: press 'e' to edit, 'x' to boot it
• 6[00:03:14] <violentE> yeah but I can only do that with the latest kernel, if I go to select which kernel I want I doesn't give me the option
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• 8[00:03:39] <violentE> but I'm going to go back a couple of time and write down exactly what I need
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• 15[00:07:21] <violentE> err before I do that - that sid line - it was for a keepass project I was working on and never went with. It wouldn't be so simple as removing it and booting again would it
• 16[00:07:27] <LtL> violentE: i don't know if i would trust that mirror(s)
• 17[00:07:36] <violentE> why
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• 21[00:09:18] <LtL> violentE: they don't end in *.debian.org
• 22[00:09:45] * violentE thought most of the mirrors don't
• 23[00:09:56] <BCMM> LtL: i wouldn't trust it for a much simpler reason than that...
• 24[00:10:00] <jmcnaught> violentE: you've got sid in your sources so you are running unstable. You might want to go to the testing/unstable support channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net to see if anyone else has experienced this issu there
• 25[00:10:00] <LtL> violentE: and you have sid in there
• 26[00:10:01] <violentE> and its one the list of mirrors to choose from the debian offers
• 27[00:10:13] <BCMM> ... the domain isn't even registered
• 28[00:10:48] <violentE> then why would debian put suggest using it, seems odd
• 29[00:10:59] <BCMM> violentE: can you point me to where debian suggests using it?
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• 31[00:11:42] <violentE> it was presented during installation
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• 34[00:11:54] <BCMM> you *sure* you didn't type that out manually at some point?
• 35[00:12:28] <BCMM> violentE: because that 1 should be an l
• 36[00:12:44] <violentE> oh yeah I just typed those out now, sorry
• 37[00:12:48] <jmcnaught> violentE said that they typed out their sources to show us in a paste because that machine has no network, probably a typo
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• 41[00:13:22] <BCMM> LtL: mirrors which aren't on a d.o subdomain are pretty common. debian has package signing so you don't have to put too much trust in them...
• 42[00:13:34] <BCMM> jmcnaught: ah sorry, i missed that
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• 44[00:14:05] <jmcnaught> violentE: however you must've manually added/changed to sid in your sources.list, causing you to "upgrade" to a development version of Debian that isn't intended for use by end users
• 45[00:14:09] <LtL> BCMM: probably true, then i saw the 'sid' line. its broke
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• 47[00:14:28] <BCMM> !frankendebian
• 48[00:14:28] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 49[00:14:34] <violentE> yeah I was just about to ask about that
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• 53[00:15:11] <violentE> that was for a project that since have been abandoned could I just remove and update* and be good or?
• 54[00:15:14] <BCMM> violentE: but yeah, try not to ever have the words "stretch" and "sid" in your sources at the same time :0
• 55[00:15:32] <jmcnaught> violentE: if you were trying to get a newer version of something from unstable, some packages (including kernels) are available as safe-to-install packages from stretch-backports
• 56[00:15:33] <BCMM> violentE: clean-up might well be harder than a new install
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• 58[00:15:40] <jmcnaught> i would reinstall
• 59[00:16:18] <violentE> I don't have that option I'm afraid
• 60[00:16:21] <BCMM> new install ain't so bad. keep your home directory, reinstall the software you use most, and you're nearly there
• 61[00:16:39] <violentE> I have stuff on this drive, and must get it off there soon
• 62[00:16:40] <BCMM> violentE: what are the parameters that make that not an option?
• 63[00:17:03] <BCMM> oh right. you should be able to use, like, any live cd/dvd/usb/whatever to recover your files
• 64[00:17:17] <BCMM> you don't need debian to work properly for that - it's your OS that's dead, not your filesystem
• 65[00:17:26] <BCMM> (i mean, probably)
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• 68[00:17:30] <violentE> well, since I'm broke and often stupid I don't have backups and on that drive lives passwords and access to accounts only it has
• 69[00:17:31] <q-chymera> hi guys, I formerly copied my system contents to an archive like so: `pv /dev/nvme0n1 | pigz mybackup/myhost.gz` how do I copy it back to my drive?
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• 71[00:18:22] <TheWizard> hi
• 72[00:19:04] <BCMM> violentE: that's ok, just go in and get your home directory safe
• 73[00:19:41] <BCMM> i mean technically you could do a debootstrap installation with your personal files in-place on the filesystem, but i wouldn't advise it. too easy to accidentally delete things.
• 74[00:21:17] <violentE> oh wait, so BCMM how do I keep my home folder, like how to physically do it knowing I don't have some fancy backup disk - I just have usb - maybe the most is 64GB
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• 79[00:27:56] <LtL> violentE: boot a live disk and cp or rsync your $HOME to USB. I've nebver used a live cd but i'm sure others have.
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• 88[00:33:56] <Lady_Aleena> Well, rebooting didn't work.
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• 91[00:38:26] <__m4ch1n3__> we can cry together if you want
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• 96[00:41:02] <TheWizard> hi
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• 102[00:42:51] <TheWizard> please I have a problem with an sdcard on asus tinker board: if I do fsck -y -f /dev/mmcblk0p2 on a pc with a card reader, two times on three if finds error on the fs, sometimes it tells that thefs it is ok! Thanks for help
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• 110[00:46:31] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: reseat the card, pull it, wait a few minutes and clean, reseat it.
• 111[00:47:56] <BCMM> violentE: if you really don't have anything you can fit your files on, you could 1. delete everything except your home directory 2. do a debootstrap install in to a directory on the disk 3. move the debootstrap stuff to / where it belongs 4. uh... do that thing that fixes the bootloader
• 112[00:48:31] <BCMM> just don't debootstrap to the root of the disk cos i think it starts off by wiping its working directory
• 113[00:48:33] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, that seems to be the only option left, since nothing sees it, or if seen, won't access it.
• 114[00:48:41] <Lady_Aleena> Be back in about 20 minutes.
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• 119[00:51:15] <violentE> BCMM: I'm going to make an attempt with the rsync, I'm hoping that I have room since it is relatively new. Have never heard of debootstrap, but if it doesn't work I'll go with that
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• 124[00:52:36] <BCMM> violentE: you can work out if it's gonna fit first... if you've only got a command line environment, du -hs
• 125[00:53:10] <BCMM> violentE: if you've only got the one USB, don't forget to get the debian install image loaded before you make your backups
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• 136[01:01:49] <violentE> what do you mean BCMM, the last part, would that be for the debootstrap
• 137[01:02:11] <BCMM> no, i meant it to apply to whatever you're going to use as your live system to reinstall
• 138[01:02:27] <BCMM> anyway, i'm off to bed. good luck.
• 139[01:02:34] <violentE> oh okay got it thanks
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• 155[01:07:17] <Lady_Aleena> I didn't have to remove the board but wiggling it seemed to have done the trick.
• 156[01:08:00] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: tighten the screw, gently.
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• 158[01:08:46] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have a screwdriver small enough in the house.
• 159[01:08:52] <Lady_Aleena> 8S
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• 161[01:09:38] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: use the tip of a scissors
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• 163[01:10:15] <Lady_Aleena> I am being lazy;
• 164[01:10:33] <Lady_Aleena> I don't feel like getting up from the floor at the moment.
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• 166[01:10:41] <LtL> heh
• 167[01:10:54] <soul-d> ewhat is the name of the exercutable of xcfe terminal /terminal
• 168[01:11:21] <Lady_Aleena> Also, working on the physical box of the computer tends to give me carpet burn.
• 169[01:13:52] <soul-d> no for real what is trhe name of the tewrminal in xfce aplication list not xterm thats a shity one
• 170[01:14:00] <soul-d> why is it so hard to find this
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• 172[01:14:41] <jsubl2> soul-d: xfce4-terminal
• 173[01:14:43] <joepublic> do you have the package xfce4-terminal installed?
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• 175[01:15:54] <soul-d> either pc or me had a one of those moments :/
• 176[01:16:04] <LtL> jsubl2: /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal
• 177[01:16:25] <LtL> err sorry jsubl2
• 178[01:18:02] * Lady_Aleena is finally off the floor.
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• 180[01:18:25] <JackFrost> The 'friendly' name is 'Terminal Emulator' for xfce4-terminal, though.
• 181[01:18:45] <joepublic> to those who do work on the physical boxes: Do you find that you mostly work by sight, or by feel? Just curious
• 182[01:18:53] <soul-d> no its beiing anoying im tring to stat it on DISPLAY=:0.1 but refuses :(
• 183[01:19:00] <Lady_Aleena> Sight joepublic.
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• 186[01:19:44] <Lady_Aleena> I need a piece of wood about 2.75" tall.
• 187[01:19:44] <soul-d> why does it do this oi don't want to use xterm :(
• 188[01:20:01] <joepublic> I have found that I do it by feel for familiar things, and for unfamiliar things, I get familiar by sight (glasses, flashlight, magnifier), and then do it by feel
• 189[01:20:23] <joepublic> soul-d, perhaps lxterminal would make you happy?
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• 191[01:20:34] <Lady_Aleena> joepublic, I usually get out the vacuum cleaner when I pull the box out of the cubby it is stored in.
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• 193[01:20:56] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: it needs it.
• 194[01:20:58] <joepublic> I understand why.
• 195[01:21:19] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: shopping list, canned air, screwdriver
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• 197[01:21:53] <Lady_Aleena> Ltl, I want the dust in the vacuum cleaner not the surrounding air. 8)
• 198[01:21:53] <soul-d> no :/
• 199[01:22:17] <soul-d> it worksits just a crapy terminal
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• 201[01:22:34] <joepublic> konsole and gnome-terminal are pretty feature-rich
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• 203[01:23:25] <soul-d> im more intrested why xfce4-terminal can't work with 2 seperate x screens
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• 207[01:25:16] <Lady_Aleena> Now, to my next computer related vexing problem. When I updated 3 updates ago, Firefox updated. Well, this new Firefox doesn't like all but on add-on. I have to roll back Firefox.
• 208[01:25:54] <Lady_Aleena> s/but on add-on/but one add-on/;
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• 217[01:31:22] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, I have a wifi antenna I can plug into a usb port on my computer. Does Debian come with software that will see it?
• 218[01:32:00] <rant> yes, its called the linux kernel
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• 220[01:32:45] <Lady_Aleena> Maybe, I should have asked about the interface.
• 221[01:32:57] <rant> lsusb?
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• 223[01:33:36] <Lady_Aleena> Also, how confusing will it be for the system to have an ethernet connection and a wireless connection to the same modem?
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• 229[01:36:39] <__m4ch1n3__> why should it be? every has its own local ip + networkmanager is able to save/use priorities for connections, depends on how you config it
• 230[01:37:12] <__m4ch1n3__> would guess by default cable has higher prio then wirelsess
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• 233[01:42:29] <Lady_Aleena> I guess. Nothing popped up asking me about the wireless antenna yet.
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• 235[01:43:17] <__m4ch1n3__> not sure if gui can do that use nmcli
• 236[01:43:34] <__m4ch1n3__> cli interface for networkmanager
• 237[01:43:34] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: its going to fallback to wired, unplug the wire and the usb will probably work.
• 238[01:44:23] <__m4ch1n3__> ip link set eth0 down, ip link set wlan0 up ; dhclient -v -w wlan0
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• 242[01:46:44] <Lady_Aleena> __m4ch1n3__, what is all of that?
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• 245[01:47:14] <__m4ch1n3__> ip link set eth0 down == eth0 iface down
• 246[01:47:26] <__m4ch1n3__> == || == wlan0 up
• 247[01:47:52] <__m4ch1n3__> dhclient -v -w wlan0 get dynamic ip over dhcp for wlan0 iface
• 248[01:48:04] <__m4ch1n3__> after that you should be able connect inet
• 249[01:48:24] <LtL> meh, just wiggle it ;)
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• 251[01:48:50] <Lady_Aleena> Ltl, the usb ports are pretty clean and tight.
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• 254[01:49:39] <__m4ch1n3__> are you clean and tight to ? :D
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• 256[01:49:54] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: you'll likely need to bring down eth0 to use wlan0.... but why would you want to?
• 257[01:50:23] <__m4ch1n3__> you can also remove kernel module for interface or insert it
• 258[01:50:39] <Lady_Aleena> Ltl, I think I only need wireless when I want to print something on the wireless printer since I can't seem to get this computer and the wireless printer to talk to each other.
• 259[01:51:20] <LtL> good reason
• 260[01:51:27] <Lady_Aleena> Hubby's laptop was able to get things to print, but the printer doesn't seem to see this computer though this computer sees the printer.
• 261[01:51:55] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm then maybe make network manager not handle wlan iface
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• 263[01:52:12] <LtL> sure it will
• 264[01:52:27] <joepublic> can you ping the printer?
• 265[01:52:31] <Lady_Aleena> I have no idea if I am on the right track to get things to print, but I would like to print something someday.
• 266[01:52:36] <__m4ch1n3__> + you can check uncheck connect interface automaticly in network manager
• 267[01:52:59] <Lady_Aleena> joepublic, I don't know. It isn't turned on at the moment.
• 268[01:53:00] <__m4ch1n3__> rightclick on connection -> settings
• 269[01:53:07] <joepublic> probably going to be a no.
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• 271[01:53:16] <Lady_Aleena> joepublic, probably.
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• 273[01:55:17] <Lady_Aleena> But I have to go start dinner. I will come back to this tomorrow. Thank you all for the chat. Have a nice evening.
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• 337[03:06:22] <JordiGH> Is there a reason to prefer apt-get over plain apt?
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• 339[03:07:21] <joepublic> such reasons are few and far between.
• 340[03:07:35] <dvs> JordiGH, nope, Unless you care about how the output looks.
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• 342[03:08:00] <JordiGH> dvs: Thanks.
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• 346[03:10:36] <JordiGH> "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts."
• 347[03:10:46] <JordiGH> Oh, well, I guess that's one reason to not prefer it.
• 348[03:10:56] <JordiGH> I guess apt doesn't like it when stdout isn't a tty.
• 349[03:10:58] <joepublic> yeah that's the one I had in mind
• 350[03:11:31] <dvs> yup, the output can change at any new version
• 351[03:12:00] <joepublic> usually it's apt search where you get caught there; apt-cache search doesn't gripe and complain
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• 380[03:35:22] <JordiGH> Is there a "natural" priority for packages to come from a source listed in sources.list than a later source in the same file?
• 381[03:36:00] <JordiGH> No, right? If two sources have the same package at different versions, it's just the versions that determine which package is preferred, not which one is first in sources.list?
• 382[03:36:44] <dvs> JordiGH, I think each repo has a default priority.
• 383[03:37:15] <JordiGH> Related to its order in sources.list?
• 384[03:37:19] <ellyacht> I accidently used dd to write an image to a SD card that had 75GB of files stored on it? any suggestions as to how I can recover the lost data?
• 385[03:37:38] <dvs> JordiGH, nope. Order in the sources.list doesn't matter.
• 386[03:37:49] <JordiGH> dvs: Okay, that's what I thought.
• 387[03:38:17] <JordiGH> ellyacht: Try asking ##hardware. This requires forensics and might be impossible.
• 388[03:38:26] <JordiGH> dd does a pretty low-level wipe.
• 389[03:38:37] <JordiGH> So basic undelete tools won't help.
• 390[03:38:54] <JordiGH> Also: my condolences.
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• 393[03:40:49] <ellyacht> kk ty
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• 417[03:59:07] * linux_user says Hello everyone! I am interested in unloading Ubuntu...and, uh, well here I am! :) That said, I've been told that Ubuntu (which runs pretty well in terms of stability) is basically taken from Debian testing, is that true?
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• 419[04:00:53] <linux_user> also I am trying to decode the names of what the ISOs mean so I download the proper one that fits me too.
• 420[04:01:27] <joepublic> I'm no ubuntu expert, and that's a gross oversimplification, but it's true enough that ubuntu is build downstream from packages that mostly originate in debian-next at the time of the taking.
• 421[04:01:41] <linux_user> that I do know
• 422[04:02:03] <linux_user> I just was wondering if they come from testing (or at least I was told to believe it comes from Debian originally)
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• 425[04:02:48] <linux_user> I also want to figure out if I download the blu-ray version how big it will and what size USB still I'll need and if there is a "testing with non-free firmware"?
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• 427[04:03:11] <joepublic> testing is a moving target, but packages in testing and unstable are generally newer than packages in stable, making them frequently more desirable for a downstream distribution to get.
• 428[04:03:43] <linux_user> now unstable is a bridge to far for me
• 429[04:03:55] <linux_user> but testing I think might be a happy middle point?
• 430[04:04:13] <linux_user> what are people's experience with testing?
• 431[04:04:26] <joepublic> unstable and testing are almost always 90+% identical. testing breaks sometimes. many people run it and are happy because they don't mind fixing the breaks.
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• 433[04:06:08] <nkuttler> linux_user: less secure and less stable than either stable or unstable
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• 435[04:06:39] <linux_user> nkuttler: huh? Not sure I followed your statement entirely
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• 437[04:07:00] <linux_user> ubuntu is or testing is?
• 438[04:07:31] <zeropoint> Testing is.
• 439[04:07:35] <linux_user> ok
• 440[04:07:59] <linux_user> so testing has a lot of unstable stuff in then and isn't really good to use day to day?
• 441[04:08:33] <linux_user> Ubuntu works well for me, but they keep trying to change stuff I don't like. first it was Unity, now they messing with SNAP packages that blow
• 442[04:11:05] <linux_user> does anyone run testing day to day?
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• 444[04:12:46] <Deihmos> Snap blows?
• 445[04:13:34] <linux_user> yes, I started to install snaps and I have all these stupid mounted file systems
• 446[04:13:38] <linux_user> its insane
• 447[04:13:45] <linux_user> I am dumping Ubuntu over it
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• 449[04:14:13] <zeropoint> That seems like a strange reason to dump your OS.
• 450[04:14:15] <linux_user> I install 18.10 a while ago in a VM and could not believe it
• 451[04:14:22] <linux_user> well I do not like this pkg manager
• 452[04:14:37] <linux_user> and I neither have the patience nor the desire to switch package manaers
• 453[04:14:56] <linux_user> if I switch I'll pick an OS that is not going to keep adding things I get upset with Ubuntu does that a lot
• 454[04:14:57] <zeropoint> You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what snaps are/do.
• 455[04:15:16] <linux_user> its a package manager and I don't want a gazillion mounted filesystems to get packages I want
• 456[04:15:21] <linux_user> that's what I understand
• 457[04:15:22] <zeropoint> Why?
• 458[04:15:28] <zeropoint> How does that actually affect you?
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• 460[04:15:54] <rwp> linux_user, It is unusual to need to download the Debian DVD to install. If you are installing on a network use the 'netinst' image.
• 461[04:16:02] <linux_user> who cares why, because my favorite color is green. thats why. you like it? keep it? Not for me. I do other work mount external HDs and such and don't want it. its a bunch of garbage.
• 462[04:16:11] <linux_user> ok
• 463[04:16:36] <linux_user> RWP: I can try that, though I will likely install and reinstall it a few times on a VM so I am thinking to get an ISO
• 464[04:16:49] <zeropoint> linux_user: That you don't understand something doesn't make it garbage. You're welcome to use whatever distro you like, of course, but make even a token effort to understand how things work and why before dismissing them.
• 465[04:16:50] <rwp> The large images are available and useful for installing on systems in the Antarctic stations, and the ISS. (Yes! Debian runs on systems in the ISS!)
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• 467[04:17:01] <linux_user> zeropoint: any chance you are going answer the questions I am asking instead of ones I'm not?
• 468[04:17:04] <linux_user> what do you say?
• 469[04:17:04] <zeropoint> linux_user: Otherwise, you're going to sound like an idiot.
• 470[04:17:57] <linux_user> Do I have to understand how a convertible works to know its not a good vehicle for me? I DO NOT need to understand dick. now I am going to ignore if you do not politely stop trying to argue with me.
• 471[04:18:06] <linux_user> nor do I care what you think
• 472[04:18:08] <linux_user> good day sir
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• 474[04:19:05] <linux_user> wow
• 475[04:19:22] <linux_user> rwp: I was going to use Jigdo to grab one and then just try to keep it updated
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• 477[04:19:43] <linux_user> I have a 64GB USB around here, so seemed like worth trying besides my hotel has huge bandwidth
• 478[04:20:10] <linux_user> but, even if I use a network install, what is the right disk to get that has non-free firmware on it ("unofficial") I understand?
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• 480[04:21:17] <linux_user> rip?
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• 482[04:21:30] <linux_user> RWP? (sorry, auto corrected to rip)
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• 487[04:24:53] <rwp> linux_user, jigdo is an excellent way to create any particular image you wish to create. jigdo-lite --noask replaced-url
• 488[04:25:18] <linux_user> and 9.7.0 is a testing version, yes?
• 489[04:25:50] <linux_user> or is testing 10.x?
• 490[04:25:52] <rwp> Debian 9 is Stretch Stable.
• 491[04:26:12] <linux_user> ah ok...is there a testing version that is non-free that I can get that is jigs, etc...?
• 492[04:26:40] <linux_user> I saw links but they said alpha and debian I read has been available for a long time so I was confused by that.
• 493[04:26:54] <linux_user> debian I read=debian 10 I read
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• 495[04:27:16] <linux_user> if debian 10 has been in the works for a while is it really still alpha?
• 496[04:28:17] <rwp> It's not released yet. But pretty soon. I'll see if I can't find the unreleased installer area...
• 497[04:29:01] <BenLue> its possible to make xml code smaler with bash? reference: replaced-url
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• 499[04:29:35] <rwp> linux_user, replaced-url
• 500[04:30:01] <rwp> linux_user, Note that for Testing and Unstable the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network is preferred.
• 501[04:30:02] <linux_user> RWP: brb - let me read
• 502[04:30:04] <BenLue> need remove path="" groups"" and remote""
• 503[04:30:13] <linux_user> oh
• 504[04:30:48] <linux_user> what is OFTC?
• 505[04:31:07] <linux_user> is it on free node or a different network from free node?
• 506[04:33:11] <rwp> OFTC is a different network from Freenode. On Freenode the channel is reserved in order to keep people from accidentally joining the wrong channel.
• 507[04:33:18] <rwp> !debian-next
• 508[04:33:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 509[04:33:23] <SlidingHorn> linux_user: it's a different network - irc.oftc.net
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• 523[04:52:00] <Tom-_> !oftc
• 524[04:52:00] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 759[08:15:01] <digdilem> or, Ordinary Folk Trying to Communicate#
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• 832[08:56:38] <ttuner> hi there
• 833[08:57:04] <ttuner> so i compiled freecad by debian/rules binary
• 834[08:57:59] <ttuner> after 11h compiletime, processe aborted due to missing space on device.
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• 836[08:58:07] <ttuner> now my question:
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• 838[08:59:05] <ttuner> how can I restart the process without compiling from the beginning?
• 839[08:59:15] <shtrb> Why you did it and not used the version in the repos ?
• 840[08:59:18] <shtrb> ,v freecad
• 841[08:59:19] <judd> Package: freecad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.14.3702+dfsg-3; jessie-backports: 0.16+dfsg2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.16+dfsg2-3; buster: 0.17+dfsg1-8; sid: 0.17+dfsg1-8
• 842[08:59:32] <ttuner> and how can i switch on compiling with all processors?
• 843[08:59:45] <shtrb> ttuner,you have a version in debian repos
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• 846[09:00:12] <ttuner> I tried experimental, 0.18
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• 850[09:01:31] <shtrb> ttuner, you would need to adjust the build process add -jX (where X is the number of threads) , remember that X is is based on your current cpu (with an i5 having 4 heat my laptop enough to that I can use it as palms heater)
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• 853[09:01:43] <shtrb> in case of gcc
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• 855[09:02:42] <shtrb> You can also adjust the build script to not run clean. but if you are going to build the package you should have clean in the begining
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• 858[09:03:38] <ttuner> so there is no switch to skip cleaning?
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• 864[09:04:17] <shtrb> I didn't touch that package, but you need to look in the rules files
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• 867[09:05:38] <ttuner> ok, thanks
• 868[09:05:38] <shtrb> Moment , the experimental branch have binaries already (no need to rebuild them)
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• 870[09:07:12] <ttuner> well, it's the build process, that I am asking about,
• 871[09:07:58] <ttuner> I allways wondered how to keep a half build compilation to not start from the beginning
• 872[09:08:17] <ttuner> but it seems, there is no standard solution
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• 877[09:09:30] <ttuner> normaly I use checkinstall to build .deb packages, but it does not always work
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• 885[09:13:00] <shtrb> I take my words back ! there is no clean call directly
• 886[09:14:31] <shtrb> ttuner, ^
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• 900[09:22:36] <pragomer> has rsync any option to calculate and compare md5 hashes to the transfered files so that I can be 100% sure that my file is uploaded valid?
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• 906[09:25:28] <jelly> pragomer: not that I know of, but you can just run rsync again with --checksum
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• 912[09:28:11] <pragomer> thanks for the tip
• 913[09:28:12] <jelly> pragomer: if you RTFM about it, however, > Note that rsync always verifies that each _transferred_ file was correctly reconstructed on the receiving side by checking a whole-file checksum that is generated as the file is transferred
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• 1015[10:33:56] <over7head> i just finished debootstrap
• 1016[10:34:17] <over7head> but i have noticed that partition which i created for debian doesnt have UUID
• 1017[10:34:33] <over7head> it has debian content on it
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• 1019[10:34:43] <over7head> will i be able to boot without UUID?
• 1020[10:34:59] <over7head> with just setting root location in grub
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• 1025[10:37:33] <over7head> thats confusing because its a question there, how grub will located root on partition without UUID?
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• 1028[10:38:58] <over7head> i cant install grub, i must edit grub.cfg in my existing distro... installing new one will mess up my mutluboot with generating systems which cant be generated automatically
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• 1056[10:57:26] <jelly> over7head: every filesystem has an UUID
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• 1125[11:28:56] <over7head> what does debootrsatap have ?
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• 1128[11:29:31] <over7head> when i finish it, would i have everything like i just installed from live cd, inclooding dekstop, network manager and so ?
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• 1133[11:31:18] <Katnip> replaced-url
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• 1135[11:33:53] <over7head> also if someone can edit documentation, i would suggest "LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/su" instead of LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash
• 1136[11:34:22] <over7head> which doesnt work on many distributions
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• 1139[11:34:46] <rfengineer> ls
• 1140[11:34:57] <rfengineer> oops sorry
• 1141[11:35:09] <rfengineer> Good morning fellow night owls.
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• 1150[11:38:35] <shtrb> Anyone remember how you set "card in" in old SDMMC (sim card readers) ? I remember there was a command need to be sent to the kernel to make it use. but i just don't remember which one was it
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• 1158[11:40:31] <over7head> "Root login with password is disabled by default, so setting up access can be done by setting a password and re-enable root login with password:"
• 1159[11:40:32] <over7head> ??
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• 1161[11:40:56] <over7head> "editor /etc/ssh/sshd_config"
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• 1163[11:41:31] <over7head> "In case you can login to the system via console, you can skip this section : apt install ssh"
• 1164[11:41:52] <over7head> im not understand this point ?
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• 1167[11:42:29] <over7head> i can login via console so i dont need ssh... but how i will login to root without it ?
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• 1170[11:43:18] <over7head> "Root login with password is disabled by default"
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• 1175[11:44:04] <over7head> i tried to boot and thats whu im back and chrooted again because i wasnt be able to login as root with just pressing enter on passwd prompt
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• 1186[11:49:08] <over7head> "adduser joe"
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• 1188[11:49:21] <over7head> groups ?
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• 1190[11:49:53] <over7head> are there default ones for new users or i need manualy comment them to useradd
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• 1201[11:54:40] <over7head> why is that documentation so pure ?
• 1202[11:54:44] <over7head> tasksel install standard
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• 1204[11:55:00] <over7head> does this include xorg, desktop environmetn, network manager ?
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• 1207[11:56:27] <over7head> its 80 packages, probably not including xorg and so
• 1208[11:56:39] <over7head> how i can know what does it include?
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• 1221[12:01:13] <rafalcpp> how safe it should be for my OS stability and security to use few packages from backports
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• 1223[12:01:29] <rafalcpp> also, backports (stretch-backports) receive normal security updates right?
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• 1232[12:05:54] <rfengineer> over7head - sounds like a simple problem. You have direct access to the console. Simply reboot the box, and as it first boots up, enter single user mode and change/assign the root password.
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• 1241[12:09:11] <petn-randall> Hi, what was the tool in Debian called to lookup the vendor bytes of MAC addresses? My searches are failing me right now.
• 1242[12:10:01] <Wulf> grep.
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• 1245[12:10:22] <Wulf> petn-randall: what's the mac address?
• 1246[12:10:36] <BCMM> petn-randall: like, from a mac input on the command line? or from scanning a host on the network?
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• 1251[12:11:34] <petn-randall> BCMM: I have a MAC address and I want to resolve the vendor bytes to the actual vendor. All on my local machine.
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• 1253[12:11:59] <Wulf> !paste
• 1254[12:12:00] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1255[12:12:02] <shtrb> mac-vendor ?
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• 1258[12:12:30] <Wulf> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 1259[12:12:46] <Wulf> no idea if debian has any tool. grep works just fine ;-)
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• 1261[12:13:11] <petn-randall> Wulf: Ah, I found ieee-data, that's probably what you mean.
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• 1264[12:13:20] <BCMM> petn-randall: I do not know about the command you're looking for, but the data required is in /usr/share/arp-scan/, if you have arp-scan and you wanna roll your own solution with grep
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• 1269[12:14:04] <BCMM> huh, seems like there's some duplication there
• 1270[12:14:14] <BCMM> annoying that arp-scan seems to use its own format
• 1271[12:14:41] <__m4ch1n3__> arent the first 8 bits (4 hex digits) vendor id?
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• 1273[12:15:00] <Wulf> it depends.
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• 1275[12:15:06] <shtrb> petn-randall, /var/lib/ieee-data/oui.txt or the perl script what ever you prefer
• 1276[12:16:07] <petn-randall> __m4ch1n3__: It's the first 3 bytes. 8 bits would be one byte, and thus 2 hex digits.
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• 1281[12:17:25] <Wulf> sometimes it's the first 9 hex digits.
• 1282[12:17:43] <Wulf> e.g. 70-B3-D5-1F-1...
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• 1285[12:18:44] <petn-randall> Wulf: I don't see such thing in the OUI database. At least not your example.
• 1286[12:18:58] <Wulf> petn-randall: there are several databases. see my paste.
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• 1288[12:19:27] <Wulf> petn-randall: 70-B3-D5 is divided into many sub registrations
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• 1290[12:19:34] <Wulf> so is 00-50-C2
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• 1295[12:22:13] <petn-randall> I see.
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• 1301[12:26:05] <__m4ch1n3__> petn-randall, oh yes that sounds more accurate then what i said
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• 1320[12:40:29] <Mystified1234> Hi guys just tried dual booting with windows
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• 1323[12:40:54] <Mystified1234> installed linux but grub is not picking up windows'
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• 1325[12:41:10] <Mystified1234> folders are still there
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• 1335[12:47:00] <__m4ch1n3__> Mystified1234, check if windows partition still has boot flag enabled
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• 1341[12:47:57] <__m4ch1n3__> you can only boot from partitions that are flagged bootable
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• 1403[13:21:08] <psychon> uhm, hi, I have a weird error message in some build log and I'm trying to figure out where it comes from
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• 1407[13:21:58] <psychon> anyone has some idea on how to check if something in the archive contains such a file?
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• 1563[14:31:11] <over7head> Annotation.h:38:11: error: ‘QImage’ does not name a type virtual QImage renderImage() = 0;
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• 1565[14:31:25] <over7head> can someone help me with that compiling error ?
• 1566[14:31:42] <shtrb> you are missing an include
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• 1569[14:32:06] <shtrb> or forward declaration
• 1570[14:32:47] <over7head> im trying to compile Lumia desktop environment
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• 1573[14:33:25] <over7head> lumina*
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• 1575[14:33:47] <shtrb> you might be missing some packages that deliver qt
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• 1578[14:34:30] <over7head> but there is none missing .so or similar filer error
• 1579[14:34:39] <over7head> how i can know?
• 1580[14:34:45] <greycat> you haven't got to the part where you need *.so files
• 1581[14:34:59] <greycat> this is a compile time error in a .h file, so you're still using .h files. compiling. not linking.
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• 1583[14:36:37] <shtrb> over7head, scroll up in the error messages. look at the first ones. apt-get build-dep packagename ot get everything
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• 1585[14:37:33] <over7head> replaced-url
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• 1593[14:39:09] <shtrb> first lines
• 1594[14:39:16] <shtrb> you are mid compiling
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• 1596[14:39:52] <shtrb> wait, you are building qt ?!
• 1597[14:40:08] <greycat> Find a C++ or Qt or Lumina channel. We don't know the details of this thing. Or, google this QImage thing (the only concrete piece of information that has been shown so far) and find out what is supposed to define that.
• 1598[14:40:34] <greycat> If you're building Qt itself, you're doing it WAAAAY wrong.
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• 1600[14:42:19] <over7head> i have qt alredy
• 1601[14:42:32] <over7head> im not sure where is log located?
• 1602[14:42:56] <greycat> In your terminal, unless you redirected the output.
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• 1604[14:43:31] <over7head> bu where? location...
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• 1614[14:45:01] <over7head> #lumina, two users, probably unactive lol
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• 1616[14:45:31] <shtrb> maybe a different network ?
• 1617[14:45:39] <shtrb> also ##c++-general
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• 1719[15:34:05] <ksk> yeah seems some newer, fancy (even OSS) projects move away from irc. a shame :(
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• 1726[15:37:29] <BCMM> and more to the point, moving towards a more centralised protocol
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• 1729[15:37:45] <BCMM> iirc there's no open-source telegram server
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• 1753[15:51:02] <shtrb> Wait until thy will just move to facebook group chat :D
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• 1762[15:53:02] <tomreyn> some projects moved to slack, others to discourse
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• 1764[15:53:21] <tomreyn> very bad choices
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• 1795[16:10:31] <fireba11> hi, is there an elegant way to check prior to upgrade what new major versions you will be getting? (like jessie > stretch will update postgres from 9.4 to 9.6)
• 1796[16:11:18] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using libinput on Debian Stretch. I have set 'HorizontalScrolling' to 1 in libinput.conf (replaced-url
• 1797[16:11:47] <rootkea> Also, $ uname -a
• 1798[16:11:49] <rootkea> Linux titanic 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1803[16:14:44] <blackflow> fireba11: apt upgrade -V
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• 1811[16:16:59] <fireba11> blackflow: kinda, but only who major version changes :-D
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• 1816[16:18:28] <blackflow> fireba11: what?
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• 1819[16:18:58] <greycat> I suspect he wants a slightly larger list of "major packages" than is given on replaced-url
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• 1821[16:19:13] <greycat> But I would suggest he start there anyway.
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• 1825[16:20:02] <fireba11> blackflow: well that shows me ALL changes. i wna to figure out what major versions will change to be able to check if i need to manually migrate configurations etc. and was wondering if there was a reasonable way to find those
• 1826[16:20:03] <lapideviridi> How does the command "ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.1" translate to /etc/network/interfaces? I'm trying to connect with a software radio over ethernet, but it is configured to only connect to that particular address. I've understood that the command assigns the given address to the interface
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• 1828[16:21:00] <petn-randall> lapideviridi: That manually assigns 192.168.10.1 to the interface eth0 (without configuring much else).
• 1829[16:21:11] <greycat> The upgrade process for postgresql is the same as before, and spelled out very clearly in the /usr/share/doc/postgres-*/README.Debian.gz file.
• 1830[16:21:14] <blackflow> lapideviridi: you asked that minutes ago in #ubuntu and said you ran ubuntu
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• 1832[16:21:44] <blackflow> the reason I mention this is because the two distros have very different default ways of configuring the network
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• 1836[16:22:54] <blackflow> fireba11: if that's all you want, the upgrade process will ask what to do (including showing a diff between new and current configs), for each config file it sees as modified from package default. perhaps that is sufficient for you to note the changes and then apply adjustments where needed?
• 1837[16:22:59] <lapideviridi> blackflow, I'm going to do this on a debian machine
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• 1841[16:23:40] <blackflow> lapideviridi: replaced-url
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• 1843[16:23:51] <lapideviridi> petn-randall, can that somehow be added to interfaces? I'd like it to be set up correctly when the ethernet interface gets up
• 1844[16:23:59] <fireba11> blackflow: usually it is. it's just a somewhat sensitive productive environment where i wanted to check in advance :-D most of those are in a VM where i can just clone and try but not that one
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• 1846[16:24:17] <petn-randall> lapideviridi: Have a look at the static examples in 'man interfaces'.
• 1847[16:24:39] <blackflow> fireba11: the you're doing it wrong, if you're first not running a test upgrade in a cloned environment
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• 1851[16:25:09] <blackflow> even if you had all the answers in advance, if you don't test the upgrade first, it means it's not that important to go smooth ;)
• 1852[16:25:16] <fireba11> blackflow: you missread. i USUALLY do that. but that system is a physical box that i can#t simply clone for testing :-D
• 1853[16:25:18] <lapideviridi> blackflow, ah, so that is actually the one I want? I though that was for when I want to connect the machine itself to a network with a static address?
• 1854[16:25:45] <blackflow> fireba11: you can at least clone the config: packages installed and config files
• 1855[16:26:03] <fireba11> blackflow: true
• 1856[16:26:16] <blackflow> infact, you can even clone the data, everything, into a VM. it won't be 1:1 with prod, but still better than nothing
• 1857[16:26:47] <blackflow> lapideviridi: is that not what you want? that's what teh ifconfig command you posted do
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• 1862[16:28:44] <lapideviridi> blackflow, interesting. I though using the config you sent was for connecting to a network and requesting a static IP. In my case, I have connected a software radio which requests only one specific address over ethernet. It disconnects if it doesn't get that one.
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• 1864[16:29:47] <blackflow> lapideviridi: IT IS. that link shows how to configure a static IP address via e/n/i. that `ifconfig` command you posted does the same -- defines a static IP on the interface. static meaning it'd not dhcp.
• 1865[16:30:05] <blackflow> !xy
• 1866[16:30:05] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 1867[16:30:09] <blackflow> lapideviridi: ^^^^
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• 1870[16:30:49] <lapideviridi> So that config simply sets aside that address for the specific interface, independent of whether I want to connect or get connected?
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• 1872[16:31:08] <blackflow> lapideviridi: "sets aside?" no, it configures an IP address on the interface in question.
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• 1874[16:31:47] <lapideviridi> Heh, interesting link there. I'll try it out, then. Thanks you both
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• 2029[17:35:28] <wr> my root terminal after a click outside of it closes unexpectadly when doing windows switch running commands, how can fix it?
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• 2038[17:39:28] <jim> what could the problem be, if my copy buffer won't change when I do a copy, intenting to paste?
• 2039[17:40:04] <ZombyWoof> is it possible (how) to use nvidia drivers from jessie when running stretch?
• 2040[17:40:07] <greycat> wrong buffer? (PRIMARY vs CLIPBOARD vs other crap that is too stupidly overengineered for sanity)
• 2041[17:40:15] <jim> I'm running kde, and I get other errors (I think) when I try kwin --replace &
• 2042[17:40:20] <joepublic> you could have a clipboard manager acting up. You could be discovering that there's more than one clipboard.
• 2043[17:40:38] <petn-randall> ZombyWoof: Tell us about your proble, not what you think the solution is.
• 2044[17:40:42] <joepublic> (sometimes control-v and edit-paste paste different things, befuddling but true)
• 2045[17:40:46] <petn-randall> problem even
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• 2049[17:42:56] <jim> it was working fine before, something has changed... give me a few mins here, irl stuff calls
• 2050[17:43:07] <ZombyWoof> I've asked about this before and have a thread here replaced-url
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• 2052[17:45:02] <ZombyWoof> since Min 19 and Debian stretch both use 390.xx nvidia driver and mint 18 uses 384.xx driver I was thinking the problem may be there.
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• 2054[17:45:28] <wr> wait, did a alt-tab and have everything open, something does not make window stay on top desktop
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• 2059[17:47:00] <petn-randall> ZombyWoof: Practically every library changed between jessie and stretch, so pinning it on the driver is a wild guess. Might also be in wine, or any library it depends on.
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• 2061[17:47:33] <petn-randall> ZombyWoof: But you'll always have these issues with running windows programs under Linux, it's really hit or miss.
• 2062[17:47:56] <petn-randall> ZombyWoof: Does `glxinfo` show you that hardware acceleration is enabled?
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• 2064[17:48:02] <jhutchins_wk> ZombyWoof: You can of course build whatever version you want directly from Nvidia.
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• 2066[17:48:39] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 2067[17:48:40] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 384.130-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.87-6~bpo9+1; sid/non-free: 390.87-6; buster/non-free: 390.87-8; experimental/non-free: 410.93-1
• 2068[17:48:55] <jelly> ZombyWoof, stretch seems to have 384.x
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• 2070[17:49:48] <Greyztar> is there a way to switch to another user with desktop session without logging out sort just switch user as in terminal but with dekstip environment?im using xfce though
• 2071[17:50:01] <jelly> ZombyWoof, can you verify versions of nvidia driver that give anomalous behaviour once more?
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• 2075[17:50:44] <wr> my debian xfce is acting very weird, when i open terminals, software and windows and switch on them they all keep showing on a alt+tab but disappear on switching windows, this happened too after a reboot where all my panel was gone and session, but i did a apt-get install reinstall xfce4 xfce-goodies and still prevails, what could it be?
• 2076[17:50:55] <xand> Greyztar: install xfswitch-plugin
• 2077[17:50:55] <jelly> jhutchins_wk, you can't build whatever version when old ones do not get fixed to work with newer kernels
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• 2079[17:51:06] <Greyztar> xand: thank you
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• 2087[17:55:27] <ZombyWoof> I am sorrie, had to run (kids) but I'm back. thanks for the replies. glxinfo gives lots of info.....
• 2088[17:55:56] <ZombyWoof> what should I grep from glxinfo?
• 2089[17:56:17] <petn-randall> $ glxinfo | grep rendering
• 2090[17:56:18] <petn-randall> direct rendering: Yes
• 2091[17:56:22] <petn-randall> ZombyWoof: ^
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• 2093[17:56:45] <ZombyWoof> direct rendering: Yes
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• 2095[17:57:27] <ZombyWoof> linux mint 18 is doing the job fine with nvidia 384.130 drivers
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• 2099[17:57:42] <asterismo> hi, i'm trying to install debian 9.7 in a Strix H370-F gaming desktop and the installer cannot find an etthernet network card, the mobo has the Intel I219V
• 2100[17:57:45] <asterismo> any ideas?
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• 2102[17:57:56] <magyar> hi, I'm getting these error messages in auth >> PAM unable to dlopen(pam_ck_connector.so): /lib/security/pam_ck_connector.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I tried installing libpam-ck-connector but that conflicts with systemd package. This after the upgrade from jessie to stretch
• 2103[17:58:28] <ZombyWoof> mint 19 has 390.77 and debian9 has 390.87 wich both don't run ok
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• 2105[17:59:00] <greycat> Except that the bot just said stretch has 384.130-1 and stretch-BACKPORTS has 390.87-6~bpo9+1
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• 2107[17:59:26] <ZombyWoof> I am very sorrie, you are right :o
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• 2109[17:59:37] <magyar> I have this line in my common-session file >> session optional pam_ck_connector.so nox11
• 2110[17:59:46] <ZombyWoof> I did try so many things the past days, I forgot I use backports
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• 2112[18:02:49] <jim> brb
• 2113[18:02:51] <ZombyWoof> I guess I have to try again with the default nvidia drivers and not the backport. I think I allready did try it and it didn't work, but like I said, I did try a lot of things and may have lost track. Thanks anyway for helping.
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• 2117[18:03:57] <jelly> !sns
• 2118[18:03:57] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 2121[18:04:41] <asterismo> jelly, any ideas?
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• 2124[18:05:06] <jelly> !any ideas
• 2125[18:05:06] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 three-legged goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes!
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• 2128[18:05:20] <joepublic> why so many goats?
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• 2133[18:06:26] <asterismo> i have a list of drivers, ixgbe, ixgbevf, all Intel, should i try some of these?
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• 2136[18:06:44] <jelly> asterismo, if that chipset has been released in the last 12 months, try installing buster instead
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• 2139[18:07:09] <ZombyWoof> after removing old nvidia drivers, should I reboot first before installing new drivers? Or can I install new drivers and then reboot?
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• 2143[18:07:40] <jelly> asterismo, linux kernel picks a driver maching the hardware automatically if there is one
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• 2145[18:08:02] <asterismo> jelly, ok thanks
• 2146[18:08:17] <asterismo> its pretty new hardware, i dunno if 12 monts old
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• 2154[18:09:15] <jelly> one does not merely buy latest hardware to run linux on it
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• 2166[18:17:42] <asterismo_l> i did not
• 2167[18:17:44] <jim> greycat, here's another wrinkle: when hexchat is not running, paste doesn't work at all... and when it is running, the only thing I can paste is what I copied from hexchat (weird, hun?)
• 2168[18:17:54] <asterismo_l> i'm only the install guy
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• 2171[18:19:34] <jim> s/hun/huh/
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• 2173[18:19:56] <jhutchins_wk> asterismo_l: If you can get the PCIID of the chipset we can look up what driver it wants (if known).
• 2174[18:20:22] <asterismo_l> PCIID??
• 2175[18:20:33] <asterismo_l> in the BIOS?
• 2176[18:20:46] <asterismo_l> or printed in the PCB?
• 2177[18:20:53] <jhutchins_wk> something like 8086:xxxx
• 2178[18:21:37] <jhutchins_wk> You might be able to get it using a live CD, or rescue mode from the installer (not sure if the pciid command is available in rescue).
• 2179[18:21:48] <jhutchins_wk> s/cd/iso
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• 2181[18:22:44] <jim> asterismo_l, try lspci -nn and look through that listing for the device (if you haven't already)
• 2182[18:22:44] <jelly> asterismo_l, "lspci -nn" output shows the pci id
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• 2185[18:23:56] <jim> brb again... let's see if logout/login helps
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• 2193[18:29:20] <jim> logout of kde/login did fix the problem
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• 2214[18:39:17] <jhutchins_wk> I see KDE is maintaining it's trend of solid, clean, reliable code.
• 2215[18:40:05] <wr> created a user on debian when i try to login via xfce it fails
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• 2217[18:40:28] <jelly> jhutchins_wk, one does not merely upgrade Qt library packages while a KDE session is running
• 2218[18:41:27] <jhutchins_wk> Lovely.
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• 2234[18:48:44] <nkuttler> meh, crap, not even firmware installer can use these integrated intel graphics.. iris 655
• 2235[18:49:01] <nkuttler> hrm, maybe i can pass some boot parameters..
• 2236[18:50:23] <jelly> nkuttler, too new!
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• 2240[18:50:55] <nkuttler> i guess i'll have to set up preseeding or remote install.. only having a laptop otherwise..
• 2241[18:51:01] <jelly> did you try buster
• 2242[18:51:15] <nkuttler> sigh. yeah.. or download another iso over this network
• 2243[18:51:24] <nkuttler> yeah, i'll try that
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• 2245[18:51:56] <jelly> a stretch netinst with bpo kernel would be nice
• 2246[18:52:08] <nkuttler> are there firmware images for buster?
• 2247[18:52:08] <jelly> paging K. Muto
• 2248[18:52:23] <jelly> yes
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• 2250[18:52:37] <jelly> in the same folder on cdimage.d.o I think
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• 2253[18:53:17] <nkuttler> yup
• 2254[18:53:28] <jelly> I think I installed a server from replaced-url
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• 2261[18:56:56] <nkuttler> went with replaced-url
• 2262[18:57:17] <nkuttler> well.. still 40 minutes .oO
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• 2267[18:58:36] <jelly> use alpha only if they're not older than 1-2 months, if they're older there's probably a good chance there will be less bugs in weekly/daily builds
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• 2269[18:59:23] * jelly clicks... ooh, this is fresh
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• 2274[18:59:54] <greycat> does it still have that new-build smell?
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• 2280[19:00:58] <apollo13> nkuttler: outch, that sounds like slooooooooooooooooow network
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• 2282[19:01:46] <nkuttler> eh, the network is gigabit. but not the uplink
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• 2288[19:05:25] <blackflow> greycat: like a just opened box of BASF floppy disks!
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• 2299[19:08:46] <joepublic> It has been a long time since I opened a box of floppy disks.
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• 2305[19:13:00] <jhutchins_wk> wr: Did you figure that out yet? What full command did you use to create the user?
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• 2324[19:22:52] <nkuttler> nice. buster installer boots
• 2325[19:23:27] <greycat> So surprising.
• 2326[19:25:53] <blackflow> I was floored today when an upgrade of a rather nonstandard stretch setup (root on ZFS on LUKS) to buster went smooth, rebooting with no hiccups.
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• 2330[19:27:31] <blackflow> I was floored yesterday when a patch-level upgrade of the kernel on an ubuntu machine resulted with unbootable server.
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• 2334[19:27:54] <nkuttler> you were?
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• 2336[19:28:07] <blackflow> nkuttler: 'tis LTS!
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• 2356[19:43:34] <nkuttler> well... how do i get a stable base install with the buster installer..
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• 2358[19:43:59] <nkuttler> do i have to switch to the console and edit the sources there?
• 2359[19:44:23] <nkuttler> or is that in expert mode..
• 2360[19:44:48] <greycat> Why would you think you COULD?
• 2361[19:46:12] <__m4ch1n3__> expert -> everything_stable = True :D
• 2362[19:46:32] <__m4ch1n3__> obviously a joke
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• 2364[19:46:36] <__m4ch1n3__> nkuttler,
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• 2374[19:49:37] <__m4ch1n3__> debian buster (testing) seems to be more stable then my past ubuntu-sable expirences tbh
• 2375[19:50:31] <jelly> might just debootstrap stretch afterwards
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• 2382[19:53:25] <__m4ch1n3__> switched to buster short after stretch went stable
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• 2385[19:54:04] <__m4ch1n3__> and had only ver few issiues with some python3-* stuff when python3.6 was updated to 3.7
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• 2391[19:57:27] <__m4ch1n3__> but that was maybe my own fault because had few pip3 installed modules without venv on the system
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• 2512[21:04:05] <kwriley87_> Hello.. I am having a heck of a time with a fail2ban issue.. fail2ban is banning a specific IP address over and over.. I have whitelisted the IP in /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf along with the entire class a subnet but this ip continues to get banned.. I don't see any reference of the ban happening when I do a tail -f /var/log/fail2ban.log but I can see the fail2ban entry when I do an iptables --list-rules
• 2513[21:04:18] <kwriley87_> can anyone help me please? i am out of ideas at this point
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• 2524[21:09:27] <DammitJim> I need serious help (besides technical help), but I can't figure out why a cron job isn't triggering
• 2525[21:09:36] <DammitJim> 0 15 * * * /home/db2inst1/sqllib/bin/db2diag -A
• 2526[21:09:44] <greycat> check the logs
• 2527[21:09:45] <DammitJim> that was supposed to run @ 3pm EST
• 2528[21:10:05] <DammitJim> the /var/mail/db2inst1 file says the last time the cron job ran was a couple of days ago
• 2529[21:10:15] <greycat> check the *syslog logs
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• 2531[21:10:25] <DammitJim> oh
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• 2535[21:11:11] <DammitJim> oh man, I bet this is related to some kind of environmental configuration that needs to be set up before that user can do anything in a cron job
• 2536[21:11:12] <DammitJim> ugh
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• 2538[21:11:28] <greycat> Why do you think that?
• 2539[21:11:35] <greycat> What did the log file say?
• 2540[21:11:42] <DammitJim> it said that it ran
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• 2542[21:11:55] <DammitJim> CRON[8511]: (db2inst1) CMD (/home/db2inst1/sqllib/bin/db2diag -A)
• 2543[21:12:20] <greycat> OK, next question: what makes you think it failed?
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• 2545[21:12:46] <greycat> Is it possible that this program simply produces no output when everything is fine?
• 2546[21:12:52] <DammitJim> the purpose of the script is to rotate the db2diag.log -> db2diag.log_<timestamp>
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• 2548[21:13:35] <greycat> If it's a shell script, slip a "set -x" inside it, and that should generate lots of output.
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• 2550[21:13:55] <DammitJim> thanks greycat
• 2551[21:14:00] <DammitJim> that's a great idea
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• 2574[21:21:58] <somiaj> DammitJim: why not just use logrotate to rotate the log? I think it can be configured to do that
• 2575[21:22:28] <somiaj> (by do that, I mean rotate it into the filename format you want)
• 2576[21:22:47] <DammitJim> I was told by IBM not to do that
• 2577[21:22:47] <greycat> I'm guessing it (a) has got special code to handle this uncommon database, and (b) is already written.
• 2578[21:22:50] <DammitJim> but they might be wrong
• 2579[21:23:06] <DammitJim> actually, it wasn't IBM... it was the consultant
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• 2581[21:23:53] <greycat> (whether it actually *works* is a separate question, obviously)
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• 2583[21:24:21] <somiaj> ahh I missed you were using some supplied script (I thought you were writting a custom one)
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• 2586[21:25:09] <DammitJim> somiaj, but good point... logrotate is awesome
• 2587[21:25:50] <DammitJim> I figured it out... I guess when I run the command as the user on the terminal, it "knows" where the log file is
• 2588[21:26:00] <DammitJim> by supplying the full path of the file, it works now
• 2589[21:26:14] <greycat> things don't just "know" things... more likely you have some environment variables set in your interactive shell
• 2590[21:26:25] <somiaj> This is often times a common error with cron, do not assume you have any enviorment (such as PATH) when running a cron job
• 2591[21:26:31] <greycat> which would obviously not be present in cron's environment
• 2592[21:26:40] <DammitJim> yeah, that's what I meant earlier when I mentioned env variables (that I don't know enough about)
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• 2594[21:26:53] <DammitJim> do NOT assume
• 2595[21:27:02] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Have you tried running it manually?
• 2596[21:27:03] <greycat> the set -x output is often enough to diagnose where it's breaking and what it's missing
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• 2635[21:55:43] <pagetelegram> efax question, efax -c 1,5,0,0,0,1,0,0 -d /dev/ttyS0 -l $1 -t $2 $3 /* the -c switch is ignored with an error. I am getting fax on other end as oversized from A4 (letter size); the man pages is insufficent for the -c switch syntax and no examples found online.
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• 2637[21:56:17] <blackflow> fax! they said fax! omg..... fax!
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• 2642[21:57:57] <pagetelegram> * text fax fine just tiff no matter what dpi comes out over sized on receiving end.
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• 2646[22:00:04] <pagetelegram> blackflow, all medical, law offices and corporate HQ as well as government offices are still more accessible via fax. Emails generally become the needle in the haystack so to speak and the former because of HIPAA and privacy fax is still main form of written communication.
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• 2651[22:02:54] <blackflow> fax and privacy in the same sentence? surely you jest. sorry, I'm not being helpful at all. just.... really astonished. last time I saw a fax machine was sometime in 2002
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• 2657[22:03:47] <phazon> blackflow: pagetelegram: also frequently used in the developing world to share medical information on STDs as it bypasses internet censorship
• 2658[22:03:54] <phazon> that and dial-up BBS systems
• 2659[22:04:23] <joepublic> Fax is a pretty mature technology. Tried and tested.
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• 2664[22:05:19] <blackflow> so is steam engine! ;)
• 2665[22:06:02] <pagetelegram> blackflow if you are welcome to toy your curiosity in the offtopic sub channel if you like.
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• 2667[22:07:38] <joepublic> yeah. my electricity comes from steam turbines.
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• 2669[22:08:52] <joepublic> specifically, these steam turbines: replaced-url
• 2670[22:09:24] <blackflow> yeah turbines. not quite the same ;)
• 2671[22:10:39] <pagetelegram> Blackflow, as I said, fax is still the primary form of written information for the said offices. You can disagree with why that is however you cannot refute the reality.
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• 2674[22:11:46] <blackflow> and as I said, I'm just being astonished, 'sall.
• 2675[22:12:50] <pagetelegram> Anyhow I got everything worknig, just the -c switch syntax is off and I cannot find any example of that switch in use. -c switch is an 8 numerical and in it specifies the page size. The current expression of the -c switch gets completely ignored because of syntax reasons.
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• 2679[22:15:08] <jhutchins_wk> I've used hylafax, but not efax.
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• 2690[22:18:35] <FreeBDSM> hello, could someone tell me, what do I need to do to make debian accept non-latin chars input?
• 2691[22:18:48] <FreeBDSM> I'm using debian in a docker, if that matters
• 2692[22:19:21] <FreeBDSM> when I change keyboard layout - I can't type in russian (cyrillic letters) all of sudden
• 2693[22:19:35] <FreeBDSM> this doesn't happen in containers based on, say, alpine linux
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• 2697[22:22:50] <EdePopede> FreeBDSM: i have here IBus running in xfce's notification area. easy switching with Super+Space
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• 2701[22:23:51] <FreeBDSM> EdePopede: the hotkey seems to work, but instead of typing cyrillic chars - weird chars get typed instead
• 2702[22:24:07] <joepublic> дат унусуал
• 2703[22:24:17] <FreeBDSM> :)
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• 2705[22:24:32] <EdePopede> FreeBDSM: font installed?
• 2706[22:24:36] <FreeBDSM> instead of 'привет' it types ':ривет'
• 2707[22:24:45] <FreeBDSM> so I think yeah, the font is installed
• 2708[22:24:48] <EdePopede> ah, definitely not latin ;)
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• 2710[22:25:08] <joepublic> there are many many russian keyboard layouts
• 2711[22:25:10] <EdePopede> maybe the layout isn't exactly the one
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• 2713[22:25:16] <joepublic> ^^
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• 2717[22:26:00] <FreeBDSM> nah, the problem is really weird, if I type 'ппппп' (same char), it types ':пппп'
• 2718[22:26:10] <FreeBDSM> so it eats the first char
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• 2720[22:26:20] <FreeBDSM> well, eats and types colon isntead
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• 2722[22:26:53] <FreeBDSM> also, after typing 1 char in cyrillic I can hit backspace sequentially for more than once to eat some chars
• 2723[22:27:03] <FreeBDSM> so it eats part of the shell prompt, which looks ugly
• 2724[22:27:41] <FreeBDSM> joepublic: вот что это за дерьмо?
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• 2730[22:31:02] <phazon> FreeBDSM: какой терминала?
• 2731[22:31:13] <FreeBDSM> screen-256color
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• 2735[22:32:37] <FreeBDSM> both on the host (outside docker container) and inside docker container (same with 'xterm' inside container + 'screen-256color' outside)
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• 2744[22:34:49] <FreeBDSM> hm, turns out it's not debian (screw percona image creators)
• 2745[22:34:57] <FreeBDSM> it's centos 7, same as the OS outside
• 2746[22:34:59] <FreeBDSM> what the
• 2747[22:35:24] <FreeBDSM> they use centos 7 as base image, yet they provide /etc/debian_version
• 2748[22:35:34] <FreeBDSM> now who does that? synths, I tell ya!
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• 2751[22:36:43] <jhutchins_wk> FreeBDSM: OEM will report as RedHat in /etc/redhat-release.
• 2752[22:37:06] <FreeBDSM> jhutchins_wk: there's no such file :/
• 2753[22:37:44] <FreeBDSM> but I'm looking at their Dockerfile and I don't see them adding/etc/debian_version and removing /etc/redhat-release, I don't get it
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• 2757[22:44:30] <JyZyXEL> how come security.debian.org doesn't support https connections?
• 2758[22:45:36] <greycat> dpkg https security.debian.org
• 2759[22:45:37] <dpkg> Downloads from security.debian.org are protected by GPG signatures so can't be modified in transit which provides better assurance than trusting some random certificate issuer for https; ask me about <secure apt>. If you still think https is of any benefit for your downloads, then see replaced-url
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• 2761[22:46:18] <FreeBDSM> JyZyXEL: in fact it even forces https
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• 2764[22:47:10] <greycat> ... no.
• 2765[22:49:56] <JyZyXEL> CVE-2019-3462 is what made me wonder about it
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• 2770[22:53:01] <jhutchins_wk> FreeBDSM: Yeah, but we have to do cat /etc/*release to see when it's Oracle, which is annoying. Anything that auto-checks the redhat-release fails.
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• 2774[22:54:07] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: https also places a greater load on the server and the session (encrypt/decrypt).
• 2775[22:54:24] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: The encrypted data is also larger.
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• 2778[22:56:51] <FreeBDSM> jhutchins_wk: it's /etc/centos-release
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• 2780[22:57:13] <FreeBDSM> ah, you meant OEM
• 2781[22:57:17] <FreeBDSM> never seen one
• 2782[22:57:19] <greycat> and prevents most forms of HTTP content caching
• 2783[22:59:12] <FreeBDSM> `curl -I replaced-url
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• 2785[23:01:13] <JyZyXEL> FreeBDSM: but not via apt
• 2786[23:01:27] <FreeBDSM> oh, right
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• 2790[23:02:32] <greycat> Out of the box, apt can't even *do* https. You have to install a separate package for that.
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• 2792[23:03:09] <r3> when was ia64 dropped from Debian? Was is Wheezy?
• 2793[23:03:33] <greycat> !ia64
• 2794[23:03:33] <dpkg> Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers. replaced-url
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• 2796[23:03:45] <r3> ah I see, greycat, thank you
• 2797[23:04:01] <r3> damn handy bot, to be sure
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• 2840[23:27:54] <toli> do you know if there is a particular reason for openvpn to not start all conf files in /etc/openvpn/ ?
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• 2842[23:28:21] <toli> if i run them manually, they start!
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• 2848[23:30:48] <Tenkawa> theres variables setting them
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• 2856[23:36:18] <toli> yes, but how come, some config files start when I restart the openvpn service?
• 2857[23:37:17] <Tenkawa> no idea without more context
• 2858[23:38:13] <toli> maybe something changed since an update on debian
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• 2884[23:55:10] <SerajewelKS> toli: check /etc/default/openvpn
• 2885[23:55:20] <calamari> How can I get the source for a bpo (backports) kernel? If I do "apt-get source linux-image-4.18.0-0.bpo.3-amd64" it gives me "linux" instead, which is 4.9. I have "deb-src replaced-url
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• 2887[23:55:53] <SerajewelKS> for starters, "linux" is the source package for the linux-image-* packages...
• 2888[23:55:59] <SerajewelKS> so that seems like an odd thing to complain about
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• 2891[23:56:20] <Tenkawa> calamari: you need to look up linux-source i think
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• 2893[23:56:49] <Tenkawa> let me check just a sec
• 2894[23:56:50] <SerajewelKS> calamari: what is the output of: apt-cache showsrc linux | grep ^Version
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• 2896[23:56:56] <calamari> what I'm after are the debian patches applied to the kernel
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• 2898[23:57:12] <calamari> so 4.9 won't do, it needs to be 4.18
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• 2902[23:58:05] <Tenkawa> does apt-cache show linux-source look like what you want?
• 2903[23:58:30] <SerajewelKS> Tenkawa: that's not the debian source package, and won't contain the debian patches
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• 2906[23:58:44] <Tenkawa> SerajewelKS: it can if you tell it to
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• 2909[23:58:59] <SerajewelKS> i don't understand what that sentence means in this context
• 2910[23:59:23] <Tenkawa> its the debian maintained package with patches
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• 2912[23:59:37] <Tenkawa> and actually it is
• 2913[23:59:43] <SerajewelKS> yes, with the patches applied. not the original patch files...?
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• 2915[23:59:53] <Tenkawa> Description-en: Linux kernel source (meta-package)
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