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• 37[00:33:36] <Krennic> 16
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• 46[00:42:58] <g0th> hi
• 47[00:43:23] <akko> 9
• 48[00:43:34] <g0th> when I build a package from source using "debuild -b -uc -us", and I modified the source itself then I don't need to do any changes to patches/etc, right?
• 49[00:44:16] <g0th> apt-source <...> -> edit source -> do dch -n, edit control -> do the build -> dpkg -i -> done?
• 50[00:44:48] <g0th> what version do I need to choose to make sure it's not upgraded on future package updates?
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• 54[00:45:40] <n4dir> you sure can set it on hold. There is also some naming vooodoo, which will make sure it is considered the newest version (but i don't know more about it)
• 55[00:45:43] <n4dir> !hold
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• 57[00:45:56] <n4dir> g0th: try /msg dpkg hold
• 58[00:46:02] <n4dir> dpkg doesn't like me again
• 59[00:46:23] <g0th> what about my initial question?
• 60[00:46:40] <g0th> I can (and probably) should directly edit the source?
• 61[00:46:46] <n4dir> no idea. recommended is to not edit source directly, but do patches. I think your approach should work
• 62[00:46:57] <g0th> but the patch is no longer valid
• 63[00:47:06] <g0th> the line numbers are wrong/etc
• 64[00:47:21] <n4dir> edit the source, do a patch yourself. Like that. Probably, i am not much in the subject
• 65[00:47:25] <jelly> !hold
• 66[00:47:25] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
• 67[00:47:36] <jelly> huh, it really doesn't like you
• 68[00:47:50] <g0th> hmm I usually always overwrite hold in aptitude and try to upgrade if possible
• 69[00:47:57] <g0th> I would prefer to handle it on the version level
• 70[00:47:59] <n4dir> i sure don't do nasty stuff. Didn't bother dpkg in weeks. No idea, jelly , but i can live with it
• 71[00:48:24] <n4dir> g0th: there is a how-to at forums.debian.net. It will tell you how to do the naming-version-voodoo. Let me search.
• 72[00:48:50] <g0th> if the whole name changes I can't do anything anyway I assume
• 73[00:48:53] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 74[00:49:12] <n4dir> if it isn't in the original post, search for the username julian67. Good luck, this way or the other
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• 80[00:58:09] <jelly> g0th: whatever you put as the version number, you can't know in advance whether the next release of will have something higher
• 81[00:58:56] <jelly> you could use epoch but it's a suboptimal idea
• 82[00:59:15] <jelly> !version epoch
• 83[00:59:16] <dpkg> The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
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• 85[01:01:22] <annadane> on that note, is this just version number stupidness and i should keep the backports? replaced-url
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• 89[01:03:03] <jelly> why would you want to keep the backports if there's a newer build in stable
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• 91[01:03:33] <annadane> i don't know, i installed the nvidia driver from backports and i wasn't sure if it was an actual upgrade
• 92[01:03:53] <annadane> so, okay, i'll let it upgrade i guess
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• 94[01:05:10] <jelly> look at the changelogs and draw conclusions if unsure
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• 125[01:38:00] <Thedarkb-T60> The ioquake3 package seems to be broken.
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• 128[01:39:43] <akko> is there any cli program that opens .mid?
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• 132[01:41:17] <prompt32> akko, timidity
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• 135[01:43:31] <akko> prompt32: thanks
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• 140[01:47:27] <HicksD> Anyone know if anyone plans to package this for debian replaced-url
• 141[01:47:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 162[02:05:11] <Tom-_> akko, and playmidi if you have hardware emulation set up
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• 166[02:07:29] <akko> de-facto: nice name
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• 177[02:20:32] <akko> wat do if guvcview doesn't recognize my laptops webcam?
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• 198[02:42:36] <RoyK> akko: try with lsusb first
• 199[02:43:19] <akko> unable to locate
• 200[02:43:48] <akko> wait.. nvm
• 201[02:43:57] <RoyK> akko: apt install usbtools # iirc
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• 203[02:44:49] <akko> RoyK: so what was supposed to happen?
• 204[02:45:07] <RoyK> lsusb will show what's on the usb buses
• 205[02:45:48] <akko> wireless adapter and linux foundations somethings
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• 209[02:47:47] <akko> it's not a usb webcam
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• 214[02:52:34] <pyex> i have little regex knowing, and i add "[l|L]earn" for case insensitive. I check and working. but i want suggestion for pass me. Is it right?: for x in *; do echo mv -- "$x" "${x#[l|L]earn}"; done
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• 224[03:02:38] <n4dir> not that sure, but inside of [] here | will simply be a | character, not a "or".
• 225[03:03:14] <n4dir> you also might want to tell the for-loop to only mv stuff which starts with learn or Learn, else you go operations not necessary
• 226[03:03:32] <n4dir> the former: [Ll]earn seems to work just as well
• 227[03:04:17] <n4dir> the latter: for i in [Ll]earn*; do echo "$i"; done
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• 229[03:04:38] <n4dir> pyex: ^^.
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• 232[03:05:08] <pyex> n4dir: where are you from?
• 233[03:05:14] <n4dir> mars. :-)
• 234[03:05:37] <pyex> n4dir: i think of you turkish
• 235[03:06:30] <pyex> n4dir: right, | only a confusion from regex, thank you fix it.
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• 237[03:07:07] <n4dir> pyex: probably mentioned or explained somewhere here: replaced-url
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• 239[03:07:27] <nyov> i think doner when say turkish you 🍔
• 240[03:07:39] <n4dir> but look at your output using "echo"; mv will moves files with no [lL]earn at all
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• 242[03:07:49] <n4dir> to itself, though nothing which hurts, but superfluous
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• 244[03:08:14] <pyex> n4dir: thank you for gave to it me: for i in [Ll]earn*; do echo "$i"; done
• 245[03:08:38] <n4dir> i am not really good with it, perhaps it can be enhanced more.
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• 247[03:09:12] <n4dir> you really might want to ask such things in #bash, as told in #linux. They got a good eye for it.
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• 249[03:09:31] <n4dir> it -> common pitcfalls
• 250[03:10:17] <pyex> n4dir: working perfect.
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• 255[03:11:02] <n4dir> you never know ... there is always something i don't think of ... (or you, or pretty much everyone but the geeks)
• 256[03:12:20] <pyex> n4dir: fixed command with you suggestion like this: for i in [Ll]earn*; do echo mv -- "$i" "${i#[lL]earn}"; done
• 257[03:12:32] <n4dir> i have something like "for i in ./yada* ... " in mind, but right got no idea why that might be needed ..
• 258[03:12:42] <n4dir> the ./ part
• 259[03:13:30] <pyex> is # mean a prefix?: "${i#[lL]earn}"
• 260[03:14:12] <pyex> i using this command for extension: "${j%.bak}
• 261[03:14:26] <karlpinc> pyex: The name of the irc channels begin with #
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• 263[03:14:57] <n4dir> it's called parameter expansion: replaced-url
• 264[03:15:05] <n4dir> utter voodoo, if you ask me ...
• 265[03:15:12] <pyex> karlpinc: right
• 266[03:15:45] <n4dir> that is: i always do it wrong (but then: hardly ever have to)
• 267[03:16:22] <pyex> can i pdf download it?
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• 269[03:18:54] <n4dir> no clue. but you can go to #bash and do "/msg greybot pe" (pe like parameter expansion)
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• 281[03:30:10] <pyex> n4dir: learn-js.txt -> -js.txt. Wamt to if yield startswith "-" remove it. how fix it?: for i in [Ll]earn*; do echo mv -- "$i" "${i#[lL]earn}"; done
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• 284[03:31:17] <pyex> "${i#[lL]earn}" need a little addition, i think
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• 288[03:33:44] <EdePopede> pyex: you could get is at docbook (see the selection thingy in the top line) or raw and then feed it to pandoc (some more voodo) for pdf creation
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• 290[03:33:51] <EdePopede> s/as/at/
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• 292[03:34:06] <EdePopede> narf... the other way round -.-
• 293[03:34:24] <Ether_Man> So I'm reading replaced-url
• 294[03:34:24] <Ether_Man> idea where this file may have gone missing?
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• 296[03:35:11] <pyex> EdePopede: ok
• 297[03:35:45] <EdePopede> hm. seems pandoc needs some more info...
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• 300[03:36:13] <pyex> help please: learn-js.txt -> -js.txt. Wamt to if yield startswith "-" remove it. how fix it?: for i in [Ll]earn*; do echo mv -- "$i" "${i#[lL]earn}"; done
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• 314[03:49:11] <karlpinc> pyex: Or, you could read the bash man page.
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• 318[03:55:37] <karlpinc> Ether_Man: Would that not be a file included with kopano? If so I'd think you'd need to ask them where the file is.
• 319[03:56:59] <Ether_Man> karlpinc, well kopano is distributing the source. Debian (deb.debian.org to be precise), is the place I'm getting the .debs from over apt.
• 320[03:58:04] <karlpinc> Ether_Man: I can't find any packages with "kopano" in the name of the package in the Debian repositories.
• 321[03:58:42] <Ether_Man> karlpinc, replaced-url
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• 323[03:59:38] <Ether_Man> Not sure when Stable is from so that might still be using the old name of Zarafa
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• 325[03:59:54] <karlpinc> Ether_Man: Ah. You're not running Debian stable. You may want to ask about unstable stuff in #debian-next on the oftc irc network.
• 326[03:59:57] <karlpinc> otfc
• 327[04:01:14] <karlpinc> irc.oftc.net
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• 332[04:03:51] <themill> Ether_Man: usr/share/kopano/ldap.openldap.cfg loots like the file you want to me, it's not ldif
• 333[04:04:13] <Ether_Man> themill, it's not. That's the schema, which I quite specifically pointed out in my question.
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• 335[04:04:39] <themill> It doesn't look like a schema to me
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• 337[04:04:44] <karlpinc> Ether_Man: In any case, poke around /usr/share/doc/kopano* and see if the file is in there somewhere. Or maybe the packagers forgot to package it and you need to file a bug. If so you can probably download the source package (apt-get source PACKAGENAME) and get the file from there. Or, perhaps you should be following the README.Debian instructions in /usr/share/doc/kopano*
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• 341[04:05:58] <Ether_Man> Will have to check that tomorrow. Getting a bit late now anyway >_<
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• 344[04:06:12] <pyex> I want lower filest in folder with for command
• 345[04:07:16] <Ether_Man> themill, it is. It's a map of what kopano settings use which ldap settings. That's it. The ldap.cfg is the config for actually connecting to the ldap server first. It's ldap.cfg that calls upon the ldap.openldap.cfg schema using an include.
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• 348[04:08:04] <karlpinc> !tell Ether_Man about readme.debian
• 349[04:08:24] <themill> You have a different usage of schema to the rest of the world, but I think I now understand what you're saying
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• 351[04:08:37] <Ether_Man> karlpinc, as I said... I'll read it tomorrow.
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• 354[04:09:29] <Ether_Man> themill, it's openldap and kopano that both call it a schema. So it's not my usage per se
• 355[04:09:34] <karlpinc> pyex: I don't understand the question? What is your native language? Perhaps we can direct you to a debian channel in that language. In any case, it seems you might get good answers to your questions in the #bash channel.
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• 357[04:09:53] <themill> it is most definitely not an ldap schema
• 358[04:10:13] <themill> that's in usr/share/doc/kopano-server/kopano.ldif.gz
• 359[04:10:18] <pyex> karlpinc: how i can do lower files in folder?
• 360[04:10:42] <karlpinc> pyex: What does it mean to "do lower files"?
• 361[04:10:46] <themill> my ldap is rusty but I don't think it's *that* rusty...
• 362[04:11:09] <pyex> tHis or This ==> this
• 363[04:11:24] <pyex> if contains upper letters do lower
• 364[04:11:39] <karlpinc> pyex: The "tr" command does this. Does that help?
• 365[04:12:20] <Ether_Man> themill, both are according to both of their manuals. In ldap's manual it does specify that external apps will have to use a "schema" (in this case ldap.openldap.cfg) to declare where to store the information according to the internal schema (in this case, kopano.ldif.gz)
• 366[04:12:47] <Ether_Man> Or actually, my bad... kopano calls it "template" not schema :)
• 367[04:13:44] <karlpinc> pyex: (The "sed" command could also be used, but is overkill.) Either will not change the file but will produce new output, so you need to handle that. Or write a script in python or something.
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• 369[04:14:31] <karlpinc> pyex: Be sure you have backups before starting.
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• 372[04:15:10] <pyex> karlpinc: im pythonier but i learn to bash
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• 375[04:16:15] <karlpinc> pyex: It might be possible in bash itself, but it is probably more sane to use bash to call shell commands. "awk" would be another choice.
• 376[04:17:12] <karlpinc> pyex: Most people would probably use bash to call tr, mv, and so forth.
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• 379[04:17:53] <pyex> noted "awk", i have lots of awk book
• 380[04:18:38] <n4dir> haven't used it in ages, but i assume "rename" will work pretty well if all you want is all upper to all lower case.
• 381[04:18:42] <karlpinc> pyex: If you really know python you're probably better off writing python scripts than awk scripts. Awk is good for dirt simple stuff, but so is python and python does more.
• 382[04:19:06] <karlpinc> n4dir: I thought he wanted to change the file content.
• 383[04:19:17] <n4dir> then: my fault. sorry.
• 384[04:19:30] <karlpinc> n4dir: Maybe not, and he wants to change the file names.
• 385[04:19:31] <n4dir> then i would just use the editor.
• 386[04:20:24] <n4dir> i always hunt for the most easy solution for me ... is not always the best, of course.
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• 388[04:20:59] <pyex> my bash knowledge not effectual its my misfortune.
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• 391[04:21:39] <pyex> i focused only python not others.
• 392[04:21:46] <karlpinc> pyex: Programming is shell is convenient, but often runs into corner cases and fails under specific conditions.
• 393[04:22:07] <RoyK> python should do that easily, though
• 394[04:22:13] <karlpinc> pyex: Are you changing file names or file content?
• 395[04:23:03] <pyex> karlpinc: yes
• 396[04:23:18] <pyex> pythons have lots of modules
• 397[04:23:51] <pyex> only numpy have to 566 methods
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• 401[04:27:25] <n4dir> pyex: i for one sure got no clue, but it is possible that this video is helpful: replaced-url
• 402[04:28:00] <n4dir> to me it translates to: shell is good at what it does, but it isn't like other programming languages, and you shouldn't expect it to be like that.
• 403[04:28:49] <n4dir> wether it's true or not (i can't say), the video sure is entertaining.
• 404[04:31:11] <pyex> I watching it, im not shell hater :)
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• 406[04:31:33] <n4dir> the title is slightly confusing. He isn't either.
• 407[04:32:01] <n4dir> kinda wants to say: if you expect it to be like perl/python/ruby/whatyouhave; then you will hate it. So don't do that.
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• 434[05:01:12] <future28> Hi, I have been using testing for a few years. Recently I have been getting hangs, and nothing seems to appear in the log. I am forced to hard reset if this occurs
• 435[05:01:21] <future28> Does anyone have any ideas on how I can diagnose?
• 436[05:02:20] <dvs> !debian-nex
• 437[05:02:22] <dvs> !debian-next
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• 451[05:28:24] <Tom-_> !testing
• 452[05:28:25] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
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• 591[08:12:06] <jelly> dka: if you're be asking "what happens when a computer tries to join an AD domain", that's multiple protocols, not many having to do anything with Debian directly -- a better channel might be #samba if Samba is what you're using for an AD DC, or ##windows-server if not
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• 606[08:22:10] <darxmurf> I'm still a bit confused when configuring smb on a server linked to an AD. Do we need winbind or not ?
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• 608[08:23:05] <darxmurf> I ddi setup my debian+samba+kerberos+ldap. I want to use also "windows" rights managment on my shares and all the docs available online are different :-/
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• 616[08:25:46] <project2501a> hey guys, is there a debian scientific computation irc channel?
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• 622[08:26:47] <Haohmaru> there are definatelly scientific channels, if nothing else
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• 627[08:29:25] <project2501a> Haohmaru: that much i know
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• 630[08:30:36] <darxmurf> damn and in the doc now the guy installs SSSD too
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• 644[08:37:52] <jelly> darxmurf: they are different because are multiple options on the client side depending on what you need, and also there are old NT domains vs AD. sssd is in Debian.
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• 648[08:38:12] <jelly> there* are
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• 652[08:43:57] <darxmurf> but the what do I need ? :D
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• 670[08:50:39] <darxmurf> Samba with AD auth and access rights on folders configured from windows machines
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• 678[08:56:35] <jim> can I use judd to find the version of a package in experimental?
• 679[08:56:49] <jim> the package is taskd
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• 682[08:57:54] <n4dir> you can use packages.debian.org
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• 688[08:59:55] <jim> yeah true
• 689[09:00:04] <themill> or you can use judd
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• 691[09:00:18] <jim> oh, hi themill
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• 694[09:00:39] <jim> --release=experimental?
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• 696[09:01:06] <jim> also, can I find out why that version is in experimental?
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• 699[09:02:05] <jim> themill, I tried that... I sent it: v taskd, and it didn't say anything about experimental
• 700[09:02:08] <themill> The changelog *might* say why it is uploaded to experimental not unstable
• 701[09:02:23] <themill> In general, things go there if they are not ready for unstable.
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• 703[09:02:29] <jim> ok
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• 706[09:03:22] <jim> , depends taskd release=experimental
• 707[09:03:23] <judd> Package taskd in stretch/amd64 -- depends: adduser, gnutls-bin, lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), init-system-helpers (>= 1.18~), libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libgnutls30 (>= 3.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libuuid1 (>= 2.16).
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• 713[09:06:05] <themill> you seem determined to find a version of taskd in experimental … why?
• 714[09:07:03] <jim> I'm told it's a newer and less broken version... also: v taskd --release=experimental --> No package named 'taskd' was found in experimental/amd64.
• 715[09:07:15] <themill> judd is not incorrect
• 716[09:07:36] <jim> so it's not even there
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• 718[09:08:08] <themill> taskd has never been in experimental
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• 726[09:10:57] <jim> evidently... I made one more check: looked at the pool dir of a package mirror
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• 728[09:11:05] <jim> no later version is there
• 729[09:11:07] <TheMuteTater> greetings
• 730[09:11:10] <jim> hi
• 731[09:11:23] <TheMuteTater> whats happening tonight?
• 732[09:11:47] <jim> went to a blues jam... pretty good players
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• 736[09:12:02] <TheMuteTater> nice...you play?
• 737[09:12:18] <jim> yeah, got to play a couple tunes
• 738[09:12:29] <TheMuteTater> right on
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• 774[09:31:15] <anzipex> How to restore previous installed local deb-packages if postinst script has failed? Should i store my deb-packages in temp dir or there is special folder exist with cached packages?
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• 778[09:36:01] <n4dir> anzipex: there is a special folder, and i think it's /var/cache/apt/archive (but can't doublecheck right now)
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• 780[09:37:35] <p3rror> Good morning every one
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• 782[09:39:59] <anzipex> n4dir, i see in this folder there are my old packages, thanks
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• 809[09:54:52] <darxmurf> is there anybody around who can give me a correct documentation about how to configure a samba server domain member of an active directory domain and with windows access rights on configured shares ?
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• 820[10:05:48] <mpodien> didn't know where to ask. how do i generate plain text documents formatted like rfcs (replaced-url
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• 824[10:10:47] <themill> mpodien: looks like nroff or similar. You don't want that. There other document production systems like pandoc these days that are nicer to work with
• 825[10:11:00] <fredl-pc> folks, does Google Chrome use xdg-open to your knowledge?
• 826[10:11:08] <fredl-pc> Or is it only chromium that does that?
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• 831[10:13:20] <mpodien> themill: can pandoc generate plain text pages like these?
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• 833[10:15:00] <themill> from memory, yes. You could write it in something like markdown or rst and then spit out something into *roff
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• 835[10:15:22] <themill> replaced-url
• 836[10:16:04] <fredl-pc> I'm confused, I've made a PHP script that gobbles up some data from my mysql DB and sends it out along with the proper Content-Type: header but Chrome nor Chromium seem to respect that header line and basically assume 'oh it's a PHP script, I'll download it'
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• 841[10:18:39] <themill> fredl-pc: that's normally because the web server hasn't actually run the php and has sent you the source code. (did you check what is there?)
• 842[10:19:26] <fredl-pc> themill - yeah it sends the data, not the script
• 843[10:19:44] <fredl-pc> the PHP code does this:
• 844[10:19:49] <fredl-pc> header ("Content-type: {$f->GetAttr("datatype")}");
• 845[10:19:49] <fredl-pc> echo $f->GetAttr("data");
• 846[10:20:13] <fredl-pc> well that's my own code obviously
• 847[10:20:30] <themill> Have you looked at this in the browser developer tools to see what is actually being sent?
• 848[10:21:15] <fredl-pc> yup:
• 849[10:21:42] <fredl-pc> it actually sends a content-type: application/msword
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• 851[10:21:52] <fredl-pc> so that's in the header
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• 853[10:22:15] <veek> anyone awake? How do you preseed with file=/dev/sdb3/fileS/preseed.txt(ISO partition)
• 854[10:22:31] <fredl-pc> funny thing is when I send an image/jpeg content-type, it works as expected
• 855[10:22:43] <fredl-pc> But that's an internal content-type handler ofcourse
• 856[10:22:48] <themill> so what do you expect it to do with that content type other than save it?
• 857[10:23:12] <fredl-pc> Well I'd like it to open up libreoffice
• 858[10:23:36] <fredl-pc> But chrome/chromium don't seem to have those good 'ole MIME type settings anywhere
• 859[10:23:46] <themill> That's not something that you can control from php
• 860[10:24:11] <fredl-pc> Well... no the browser should react to the content-type line
• 861[10:24:11] <m712> hi, seems like debian sid disabled TLSv1 and TLSv1.1 in openssl, however wpa_supplicant needs TLSv1 for a peap wifi connection my organization uses
• 862[10:24:28] <fredl-pc> That's at least what it does with Firefox
• 863[10:24:29] <m712> is there a way i can re-enable them? i can build from source, but don't know how to re-enable them
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• 865[10:24:46] <m712> i did "apt source openssl", that gave me the source directory
• 866[10:24:50] <m712> what do i do now?
• 867[10:25:07] <fredl-pc> I read somewhere that chromium uses xdg-open to determine what application to open
• 868[10:25:39] <fredl-pc> themill - I managed to get this:
• 869[10:25:42] <fredl-pc> fredl@gaya:~$ xdg-mime query default application/msword
• 870[10:25:42] <fredl-pc> libreoffice-writer.desktop
• 871[10:26:17] <fredl-pc> I tried it with both chromium and chrome though but keeps insisting to just... download it
• 872[10:26:29] <m712> it will never auto-open
• 873[10:26:36] <m712> that'd be a huge security risk
• 874[10:26:45] <m712> if the user clicks on it, then the document will open in libreoffice
• 875[10:26:55] <fredl-pc> Sure, agreed but this is my own web application
• 876[10:26:59] <m712> as in the word document in the download bar at the bottom
• 877[10:27:09] <m712> fredl-pc: there's no way you can do it unless you modify chromium source
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• 879[10:27:31] <fredl-pc> I read something along those lines as well m712
• 880[10:27:38] <m712> think about it
• 881[10:27:51] <fredl-pc> but this is pretty default behavior in Firefox for example, always has been
• 882[10:27:57] <themill> fredl-pc: click on the downloaded file, say "always open files of this type" if you really want that
• 883[10:28:07] <m712> firefox will ask you what to do on every download
• 884[10:28:20] <m712> unless you check "always use this action" for that specific file type
• 885[10:28:26] <m712> it's a user choice
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• 889[10:28:41] <fredl-pc> themill - ah getting somewhere now
• 890[10:29:11] <fredl-pc> however now it sees that the extension is .php....
• 891[10:29:17] <fredl-pc> and opens a text editor
• 892[10:29:34] <fredl-pc> so it seems to ignore the content-type: http header
• 893[10:29:43] <fredl-pc> and give preference to the extension
• 894[10:30:30] <m712> fredl-pc: Content-Disposition: download;filename=my-doc.docx
• 895[10:30:34] <themill> fredl-pc: content-type has nothing to do with filename. If you want to set a filename, you should send that in another header
• 896[10:31:00] <m712> fredl-pc: replaced-url
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• 898[10:31:09] <m712> look for content-disposition
• 899[10:31:12] <fredl-pc> I'll go try that
• 900[10:31:15] <fredl-pc> thanks guys!
• 901[10:31:18] <themill> the documentation for PHP's header() function has all of this info btw
• 902[10:31:59] <m712> s/download/attachment
• 903[10:32:01] <fredl-pc> Well, I guess it used to work differently in Firefox so I never bothered with the Content-Disposition header
• 904[10:32:21] <fredl-pc> but if it's that simple that's an easy fix.
• 905[10:34:35] <fredl-pc> hah!
• 906[10:34:48] <fredl-pc> That works, thanks a lot themill and m712!
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• 913[10:39:12] <fredl-pc> So... whole different subject :) Anybody here know something about powerdns by chance?
• 914[10:39:36] <fredl-pc> Oh, I guess there's #powerdns for that :)
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• 929[10:44:14] <jim> themill, (about using judd), is there a way of finding out why there's a version of gnutls in experimental, and what's keeping it there?
• 930[10:45:38] <jim> (or anyone who has any way of finding out)
• 931[10:46:20] <themill> you first need the correct package name; then look at tracker.debian.org and see if there are changelog or bugs
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• 933[10:46:47] <jelly> jim: also, uploads to experimental don't go anywhere, if the maintainer thinks something is safe enough for unstable they make a new upload
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• 938[10:47:47] <jim> well I know there's a package libgnutls28-dev
• 939[10:47:50] <jelly> not unusual to see lingering leftovers in experimental even after a newer version appeared in unstable
• 940[10:47:56] <themill> and a big, messy transition like this will just happen because a maintainer wants to upload the package
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• 942[10:48:38] <jim> messy transition?
• 943[10:48:53] <jim> which one?
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• 945[10:49:37] <jim> a transition involving a newer version of gnutls?
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• 947[10:51:03] <jim> so experimental never gets purged or equiv?
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• 951[10:53:35] <jim> ok, the source package name is gnutls28
• 952[10:53:44] <jim> (and there's also a 30)
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• 954[10:54:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I install mysql 5.6 in debian 9.x?
• 955[10:54:23] <jelly> ,v mysql-server
• 956[10:54:24] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.60-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.23-2
• 957[10:54:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did: apt-get install mysql-server and I got mariadb 10
• 958[10:54:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> apt-get install mysql-server
• 959[10:55:11] <jelly> that's fine and expected
• 960[10:55:27] <jelly> ,depends default-mysql-server
• 961[10:55:28] <judd> Package default-mysql-server in stretch/amd64 -- depends: mariadb-server-10.1.
• 962[10:55:30] <jim> ,checkbaskport mysql-server
• 963[10:55:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> Job for mariadb.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
• 964[10:55:42] <jim> oops...
• 965[10:55:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> See "systemctl status mariadb.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
• 966[10:55:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> mariadb.service couldn't start.
• 967[10:55:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> Setting up default-mysql-server (1.0.2) ...
• 968[10:55:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> Setting up mysql-server (5.5.9999+default) ...
• 969[10:55:52] <FinalX> TyrfingMjolnir: use mariadb or the official mysql repositories from their own website
• 970[10:56:00] <FinalX> please don't paste the whole thing here..
• 971[10:56:06] <jim> ,checkbakport mysql-server
• 972[10:56:18] <jim> ,checkbackport mysql-server
• 973[10:56:19] <jelly> jim: that's just a metapackage.
• 974[10:56:20] <judd> Backporting package mysql-server in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 975[10:56:21] <FinalX> mysql was removed from debian in stretch, in favor of mariadb
• 976[10:56:39] <FinalX> so.. again, either use that or use the official repositories from the mysql website
• 977[10:56:42] <jim> so you could backport it, right?
• 978[10:56:45] <TyrfingMjolnir> I just need to convert a mysql 56 to postgres using pgloader
• 979[10:57:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> Will a mysqldump56 import fine to maridb10?
• 980[10:57:43] <jim> can you run the 5.6 db in mysql 5.7?
• 981[10:58:22] <jelly> TyrfingMjolnir: only one way to find out (it ought to unless there's weird stuff, but I don't know enough to say which particular stuff is wierd)
• 982[10:58:40] <jim> so you need to dump the db in such a way that it can be read into pg
• 983[10:59:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> mariadb.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=227/NO_NEW_PRIVILEGES
• 984[10:59:39] <jim> do you have a 5.6 running anywhere?
• 985[10:59:48] <TyrfingMjolnir> Yes, in ubuntu
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• 987[11:00:14] <jim> ok, then there are possibilities
• 988[11:00:26] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have the dump files already
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• 990[11:00:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> I just need to import them to a non-production mysql
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• 992[11:00:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> or perhaps pgloader can read the dump files?
• 993[11:00:59] <jim> oh, so then you're independent of the server and probably the ubuntu
• 994[11:01:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> Yes
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• 997[11:02:06] <jim> I don't know that for a fact... as you might know, there's a #postgresql on freenode, lots of very knowledgable people there
• 998[11:03:08] <jim> and if you still have the db on ubuntu, that's good, you might have to dump it in some other way
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• 1001[11:03:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> Maybe quicker to install deb8
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• 1003[11:04:12] <FinalX> just use mariadb
• 1004[11:04:35] <FinalX> works fine out of the box, if it's not starting it must be for some non-out-of-the-box reason
• 1005[11:05:02] <jim> well good luck... those are all the resources I know
• 1006[11:05:05] <FinalX> or if you're going to use ubuntu, mysql is in there as well
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• 1008[11:05:56] <jim> FinalX, he says he does have it running, maybe still with the db in running (and therefore dumpable) form
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• 1010[11:07:04] <FinalX> with all the startup errors he pasted it seemed otherwise, though
• 1011[11:08:05] <nyov> I think you have 3 seperate issues here. upgrade from 5.5+ to 10 should be painless. migrating to postgres, not. fixing systemd startup, maybe
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• 1014[11:08:45] <nyov> replaced-url
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• 1016[11:09:55] <nyov> I'd propose to just keep the db and upgrade debian package *shrug*
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• 1019[11:11:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> nyov: I just installed deb 8
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• 1021[11:12:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> doing the update and upgrade now
• 1022[11:12:13] <darxmurf> Why is my smb server not able to make the link between uuids and names on the rights I changed on my folder ?
• 1023[11:12:19] <darxmurf> replaced-url
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• 1030[11:17:09] <anzipex> Can someone explain, when i do 'dpkg -i package-name.deb' it doesn't store at /var/cache/apt/archives, but if i install package as 'apt install package-name' it stores in cache folder. Why dpkg -i is not working like that?
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• 1033[11:19:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> What replaces net-tools in debian 9?
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• 1035[11:19:48] <TyrfingMjolnir> anzipex: dpkg only installs
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• 1037[11:20:31] <anzipex> TyrfingMjolnir, hm..
• 1038[11:20:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> while apt-get install retrieves package from repo, downloads to /var/cache/apt/archives and uses dpkg -i to install from archive( not sure that's exactly what it does, but more or less )
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• 1040[11:26:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I list open ports in debian 9?
• 1041[11:26:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> I used to type netstat -tupva; this requires to install net-tools
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• 1043[11:26:48] <TyrfingMjolnir> I assume there is a newer and better method to list open ports
• 1044[11:28:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> Like ```lsof -p``` in solaris
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• 1058[11:39:21] <PaddyScribo> TyrfingMjolnir: i think you are looking for the iproute2 package with "ip" and "ss"
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• 1069[11:49:57] <outoftime> What to read about packaging? I'm going to contribute to replaced-url
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• 1074[11:54:33] <outoftime> anzipex: I think you should just read man of dpkg or source code. As far as I know, dpkg was very fist packaging system on debian, apt-get and apt are just simplification of what dpkg is doing. I suppose some of additional functionaly that apt provides require to maintain that archives folder. This is basic idea, read man for details.
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• 1083[12:02:42] <outoftime> man dpkg
• 1084[12:02:59] <outoftime> !man dpkg
• 1085[12:02:59] <dpkg> man dpkg is probably at replaced-url
• 1086[12:03:21] <outoftime> anzipex: also read apt-get and apt man pages
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• 1096[12:10:13] <anzipex> outoftime, ok, thanks
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• 1100[12:16:26] <outoftime> anzipex: btw, for more info about debian you can use `debian-handbook` and `debian-reference` packages
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• 1107[12:23:47] <anzipex> How to get result of dpkg --dry-run -i package.deb?
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• 1110[12:24:47] <BCMM> anzipex: presumably, "examine the standard output of the above command" doesn't answer you question... so, uh, what *do* you mean by "get results"?
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• 1112[12:25:44] <outoftime> anzipex: looks like I was right about apt and dpkg replaced-url
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• 1114[12:27:07] <anzipex> I installed package with ssh and want to get result of installation
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• 1116[12:28:02] <anzipex> I mean, try to install with dry-run
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• 1128[12:44:50] <agio> does anyone know what dns resolver stretch uses? I don't see a dnsmasq process in my process tree?
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• 1130[12:45:33] <themill> agio: libc6
• 1131[12:45:50] <agio> is that a running process?
• 1132[12:45:55] <themill> nope
• 1133[12:46:14] <agio> so what is doing the dns?
• 1134[12:46:14] <themill> (or, 'every process' depending on what answer you want)
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• 1136[12:46:32] <themill> you might need to define "doing the dns"
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• 1138[12:47:27] <agio> "doing the dns" => obtain the IP address of the DNS server which should be used
• 1139[12:47:52] <babilen> Is there a specific problem you are trying to solve?
• 1140[12:48:02] <themill> agio: /etc/resolv.conf is the configuration file that contains the IP address of the DNS server which should be used
• 1141[12:48:29] <agio> babilen: trying to setup lxc container networking
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• 1144[12:49:21] <BCMM> agio: dns resolution is not done in a specific process. it's done in a library which is loaded by every process that wants to do DNS resolution.
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• 1146[12:49:50] <BCMM> (well, nearly every process. i think there are a very few programs that roll their own dns resolver)
• 1147[12:50:01] <themill> lxc is set to use dnsmasq-base for that
• 1148[12:50:53] <agio> yes, lxc-net starts a dnsmasq process - and listens on ports 53 (dns) 67 (dhcp)
• 1149[12:51:00] <BCMM> agio: by the way, even if you have dnsmasq running, processes will be doing resolution through libc as usual. it's just that they're using localhost as their dns server, instead of directly using some external one
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• 1152[12:51:29] <BCMM> agio: dnsmasq is not a DNS resolver. it's a DNS server.
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• 1154[12:51:40] <babilen> I still think that there's some specific problem or error agio is trying to address
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• 1156[12:52:01] <BCMM> yeah, probably
• 1157[12:52:01] <themill> agio: it might be easier if you explained what you had tried and what wasn't working
• 1158[12:52:03] <BCMM> !xy
• 1159[12:52:03] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 1160[12:52:45] <agio> well Im trying to setup networking for lxc container
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• 1162[12:53:01] <agio> debian doesn't do it for us out of the box
• 1163[12:53:03] <BCMM> agio: is networking itself working? can you connect out by ip address?
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• 1165[12:53:28] <agio> BCMM: yes my host has normal networking
• 1166[12:53:34] <agio> my containers dont
• 1167[12:53:40] <BCMM> i meant inside the container
• 1168[12:53:51] <agio> ah, no networking
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• 1171[12:54:18] <agio> on debian we need to setup networking ourselves
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• 1174[12:54:51] <agio> Im trying to get it working but also learn how it works
• 1175[12:55:17] <BCMM> do you know what kind of network setup you want for your container?
• 1176[12:55:26] <BCMM> or are you just trying to get it working as easily as possible?
• 1177[12:55:52] <agio> I want to put a LAMP stamp in the container
• 1178[12:56:01] <BCMM> agio: have you read replaced-url
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• 1181[12:56:39] <agio> LAMP *stack* I mean
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• 1183[12:57:54] <agio> BCMM: yes I read that
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• 1187[12:59:46] <BCMM> well, do you know which option you want out of that?
• 1188[13:00:13] <BCMM> basically i'm trying to ask "what have you tried already"
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• 1190[13:00:25] <BCMM> and also i guess "why do you think lack of a DNS *resolver* is the problem"?
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• 1192[13:01:02] <BCMM> i wouldn't worry about dns until such a time as you can find you can connect out from the container by ip address, but not by hostname
• 1193[13:01:04] <agio> well, I haven't really tried anything, Im trying to understand how this network stuff works really
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• 1197[13:02:17] <agio> BCMM: so you are saying I could apt-get update, and install packages into the container without DNS?
• 1198[13:03:10] <agio> I mean do those network tasks - from inside the container - without the container having DNS capability?
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• 1214[13:06:25] <agio> seems the container needs DNS
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• 1216[13:06:49] <agio> e.g. # apt-get update
• 1217[13:06:51] <agio> Err:1 replaced-url
• 1218[13:06:52] <jelly> everyone needs dns
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• 1227[13:14:40] <agio> I enabled lxc-net and started the service. now there is a lxcbr0 interface on my host, but the containers only show a lo interface?
• 1228[13:15:47] <agio> do i need to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and tell the container to bring up an interface?
• 1229[13:17:08] <agio> Im hoping to get a connection from my container - out to the internet - to do: apt-get update, and instal some packages
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• 1232[13:18:33] <jelly> agio: replaced-url
• 1233[13:19:26] <agio> yes, I think that is what the dnsmasq process does
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• 1236[13:20:39] <agio> the dhcp part I mean
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• 1239[13:21:17] <agio> and checking iptables, just now. its added a bunch of rules
• 1240[13:21:53] <agio> into the filter, nat and mangle tables
• 1241[13:22:13] <agio> so I guess thats how lxc-net achieves the NAT'ing?
• 1242[13:22:27] <jelly> dnsmasq provides dhcp and dns server.
• 1243[13:22:52] <agio> right
• 1244[13:22:53] <jelly> it does not magically configure the networking inside the container.
• 1245[13:23:21] <agio> how do I bring up the interface in the container?
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• 1247[13:23:35] <agio> ip a, reports nothing - other than lo
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• 1249[13:23:46] <jelly> I guess the usual way you'd set up a network with dhcp?
• 1250[13:24:08] <jelly> does "ip l" show anything?
• 1251[13:24:09] <agio> an entry in /etc/network/interfaces ?
• 1252[13:24:34] <agio> ip l - still just the lo
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• 1254[13:25:30] <agio> I thought /etc/network/interfaces was just for configuring an interface - my container literally doesn't seem to have an eth0 at all?
• 1255[13:26:48] <jelly> that's right, so it seems you need to create an interface inside somehow, I don't know how that's done
• 1256[13:27:57] <agio> I think its in /etc/lxc/default.conf
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• 1261[13:30:34] <agio> according to: replaced-url
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• 1263[13:30:48] <agio> I made those entries and restarted container
• 1264[13:31:00] <agio> but no interface inside the container...
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• 1281[13:50:11] <BCMM> agio: i know the container needs DNS! i'm just not sure why you're fixating on the dns resolver before making any attempt to set up networking
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• 1284[13:51:28] <darxmurf> I have this error in my SSSD logs: [ad_resolve_callback] (0x0100): Constructed uri 'ldap://my-wrong-server'
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• 1286[13:51:47] <BCMM> agio: do you specifically *not* want to just use the same plain old dns server that the host is using? or have you not realised that that is possible?
• 1287[13:51:49] <darxmurf> it gets the address from the DC which is wrong
• 1288[13:51:59] <darxmurf> is there a way to force the ldap address in sssd.conf ?
• 1289[13:52:41] <jelly> darxmurf: which backend are you trying to use with sssd, ad or ldap?
• 1290[13:52:47] <darxmurf> ad
• 1291[13:52:47] <jelly> ad presumably
• 1292[13:53:33] <darxmurf> it's seriously unclear in the man pages :-x
• 1293[13:55:01] <jelly> man sssd-ad ?
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• 1296[13:56:09] <litb> hello all
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• 1298[13:56:36] <litb> i'm on stretch and trying "aptitude" the first time
• 1299[13:56:48] <litb> ah.. nvm. it just took a very long time!
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• 1301[13:57:11] <litb> doing "aptitude -t stretch-backports upgrade"
• 1302[13:57:43] <darxmurf> jelly: I did read sssd-ad sssd-ldap sssd
• 1303[13:57:56] <jelly> darxmurf: I suppose the machine is joined to ad, via realmd setup, and how you're hitting the "Note: Trusted domains will always auto-discover servers even if the primary server is explicitly defined in the ad_server option." bit from the manual
• 1304[13:57:57] <darxmurf> and the more you read it, the more obscure it turns :-x
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• 1306[13:58:10] <jelly> s/how/now/
• 1307[13:58:27] <darxmurf> so then it will always get a wrong URI as the ldap server is not this
• 1308[13:58:28] <darxmurf> ?
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• 1310[13:59:32] <jelly> why does your AD give out wrong hostnames for ad ldap servers (= ad domain controllers)?
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• 1315[14:01:10] <coolpet> Hello!
• 1316[14:01:13] <darxmurf> well, I'm not in charge of those servers...
• 1317[14:01:59] <darxmurf> we use ldap.company.org for our ldap queries
• 1318[14:02:22] <jelly> darxmurf: and that is not actually an AD DC, or what?
• 1319[14:03:19] <jelly> you need access to at least one AD DC (preferably at least two) from any machine in AD
• 1320[14:03:55] <darxmurf> well, our ad dc are named like ad1.company.org, ad2.company.org and so on
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• 1325[14:07:45] <jelly> found the single remaining system with "id_provider = ad" here, and sssd.conf does not specify ad servers at all, it all works with autodiscovery
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• 1329[14:08:40] <jelly> (we moved to id_provider = ldap after that, because we didn't like that much exposure of AD DCs from all the linux machines)
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• 1332[14:08:48] <darxmurf> jelly let me know what would be the best setup for my stuff because I'm turning crazy with this stuff :-x
• 1333[14:08:57] <darxmurf> that was my next try = ldap
• 1334[14:09:19] <jelly> I don't remember what your requirements are.
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• 1336[14:09:50] <darxmurf> file server, big company with AD and LDAP. I need to give users the possibility to adjust access rights from windows computers
• 1337[14:09:54] <darxmurf> as simple as that ^^
• 1338[14:10:11] <coolpet> Need some help with SFTP sshfs key authentication. Where can i get some helpt with that?
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• 1344[14:11:36] <jelly> darxmurf: thne you might actually need ad, and not just ldap. I'd first make it work, then deal with configuring samba and acl support later.
• 1345[14:11:42] <coolpet> I generated the ID_RSA and ID_RSA.pub files in the root/.ssh/ directory, and configured the .ssh/config file for use for that site as identification key
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• 1349[14:12:40] <ESphynx> On Stretch, my libcurl is depending on an older version of OpenSSL than what is installed... How can I fix that?
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• 1352[14:13:15] <coolpet> The sshfs IdentiFile option need to the client os Private key or the remote SFTP public key?
• 1353[14:13:38] <jelly> ESphynx: where is this libcurl installed?
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• 1355[14:14:08] <Psy-Q> a recent update of snmpd seems to have deleted and recreated the snmp user, and rkhunter complained with things like "Warning: Changes found in the passwd file for user 'Debian-snmp'" what was this change, why did it happen?
• 1356[14:14:46] <jelly> Psy-Q: which debian release? Do you have logs of the upgrade?
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• 1360[14:16:46] <darxmurf> jelly: in fact I could deal with ACL. I can set windows rights but then when I come back on my share to check the rights on my folder, there is no mapping between windows uids and names
• 1361[14:16:53] <darxmurf> replaced-url
• 1362[14:17:22] <Psy-Q> oh, sorry. it's stretch with security enabled. i found something meanwhile in the changelog: replaced-url
• 1363[14:18:16] <Psy-Q> and the part of the log from unattended-upgrades matches that: Setting up snmpd (5.7.3+dfsg-1.7+deb9u1)
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• 1365[14:20:19] <jelly> I have no idea how you people are able to trust unattended-upgrades in any way or form
• 1366[14:21:39] <jelly> honestly it sounds like quite a gratuitous change for a stable release patch
• 1367[14:22:07] <ESphynx> jelly, in /usr/lib/x86-64...
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• 1369[14:23:19] <Psy-Q> it seems unattended-upgrades is enabled by default in buster, even
• 1370[14:23:35] <jelly> ESphynx: what does "dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/lib/x86-64... )" say?
• 1371[14:23:38] <Psy-Q> at least i set up a fresh buster machine two weeks ago and when i booted it on sunday it started upgrading all manner of things
• 1372[14:23:51] <jelly> ESphynx: ie. which package does it belong to?
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• 1374[14:24:25] <jelly> Psy-Q: but that changelog entry is from 2016, before stretch
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• 1376[14:25:11] <darxmurf> jelly: and by the way, as I installed ldap, winbind, x, y and z stuff everywhere, I probably have sh*tloads of old wrong conf everywhere
• 1377[14:25:26] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 1378[14:25:34] <darxmurf> It's probably a good idea to reinstall this machine from scratch :-x
• 1379[14:25:44] <jelly> snapshots are cool.
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• 1383[14:26:24] <Psy-Q> jelly: oh yeah, that's bizarre that it only gets installed now?
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• 1386[14:26:48] <Psy-Q> we have snmpd on most servers because the monitoring thing they bought can't do anything else, so this is interesting
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• 1388[14:26:57] <jelly> maybe had snmpd or a libsnmp* held for some reason?
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• 1396[14:30:46] <ESphynx> jelly, libssl1.0.1:amd64
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• 1398[14:31:00] <jelly> ,v libssl1.0.1 --arch amd64
• 1399[14:31:01] <judd> No package named 'libssl1.0.1' was found in amd64.
• 1400[14:31:20] <jelly> ESphynx: I meant libcurl, not libssl...
• 1401[14:31:20] <ESphynx> jelly, I suspect the problem is that libcurl4-openssl depends on it somehow.
• 1402[14:32:03] <jelly> ,v libcurl4-openssl
• 1403[14:32:04] <judd> No package named 'libcurl4-openssl' was found in amd64.
• 1404[14:32:24] <jelly> ESphynx: no package with that name in debian 7 8 or 9
• 1405[14:32:59] <ESphynx> jelly, libcurl3:amd64
• 1406[14:33:31] <jelly> ESphynx: is which version right now?
• 1407[14:33:49] <jelly> ,v libcurl3 --arch amd64
• 1408[14:33:50] <judd> Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy25+deb7u1; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u6; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.52.1-5+deb9u7; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u7; sid: 7.60.0-1
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• 1422[14:42:18] <ESphynx> jelly, 7.52.1-5+deb9u7
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• 1424[14:44:01] <jelly> ESphynx: tht seems current. Kust remove the weird libssl1.0.1 package and look at ldd again
• 1425[14:44:13] <jelly> Just*
• 1426[14:44:47] <jelly> ESphynx: befroe that, what does "dpkg -l libssl1.0.1:amd64 | tail -n1" say?
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• 1428[14:45:03] <darxmurf> jelly: users can connect on ssh on the server :D
• 1429[14:45:06] <darxmurf> fook this samba
• 1430[14:45:28] <ESphynx> jelly, libcrypto.so.1.0.2 => not found
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• 1432[14:46:19] <ESphynx> jelly, that's libcrypto btw, not libssl
• 1433[14:46:32] <ESphynx> (well there is also a libssl.so.1.0.2 ...
• 1434[14:46:37] <jelly> ESphynx: they come in the same package. apt-get --reinstall install libssl1.0.2:amd64 && apt-mark auto libssl1.0.2:amd64
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• 1437[14:47:06] <ESphynx> but I want libcurl to use libssl1.1 not 1.0.2
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• 1439[14:47:30] <jelly> you would have to rebuild it for that.
• 1440[14:47:45] <darxmurf> jelly: sorry again but is winbind mandatory for my setup or is it replaced by sssd ?
• 1441[14:47:47] <ESphynx> I figured I would... but how comes Debian doesn't have it built that way?
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• 1443[14:48:28] <maxzor> hello, have you got bidirectional copypasta working an win10 host debian vm?
• 1444[14:48:35] <jelly> ESphynx: not many pieces of software supported openssl 1.1.x way back in late 2016 when software versions were frozen in preparation for stretch
• 1445[14:48:35] <ESphynx> jelly, multithreaded apps crash randomly with Curl and libssl1.0
• 1446[14:48:38] <maxzor> s/an/on
• 1447[14:49:00] <ESphynx> and having both installed, you can't even implement the locks that prevent this form happening.
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• 1449[14:49:21] <ESphynx> so this is a severe problem
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• 1452[14:50:16] <maxzor> (on virtualbox...*)
• 1453[14:50:28] <jelly> ESphynx: you still need to first let a not-obsolete libcrypto fall in place, then work on your real issue
• 1454[14:50:51] <jelly> and who knows, maybe things will break less often
• 1455[14:51:26] <ESphynx> jelly, I do have 1.0.2 installed
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• 1457[14:52:21] <jelly> ESphynx: reinstall it, things broke after removing the weird libssl1.0.1
• 1458[14:52:36] <ESphynx> jelly, I never had 1.0.1 it was always 1.0.2
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• 1460[14:52:43] <ESphynx> I didn't remove anything; I had just renamed the file
• 1461[14:52:50] <jelly> <ESphynx> jelly, libssl1.0.1:amd64
• 1462[14:52:55] <jelly> was this a typo?
• 1463[14:53:47] <ESphynx> jelly, must have been ...sorry
• 1464[14:53:51] <jelly> ESphynx: I'm sorry. I can't help if you don't do things I asked, do other things instead, and not say anything
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• 1470[14:55:26] <jelly> ESphynx: you'll want put things back as they were initially, and run "ldconfig" manually just to be sure
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• 1472[14:56:17] <ESphynx> jelly, things are fine except that I have to manually build libcurl to work around this breakage.
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• 1476[14:56:34] <ESphynx> which is what I was hoping to avoid to break the installed packages
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• 1480[14:58:18] <jelly> you could try the gnutls linked variant for libcurl perhaps
• 1481[14:59:23] <jelly> also if those apps come in Debian, you can file bug reports.
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• 1483[14:59:31] <cek> est?
• 1484[14:59:43] <cek> How doI check if a systemd unit was started by user and not by systemd?
• 1485[14:59:51] <ESphynx> jelly, the bug libcurl using that old library.
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• 1487[15:00:24] <jelly> ESphynx: that's not a bug per se. Things breaking is a bug.
• 1488[15:00:39] <ESphynx> jelly, things break in the applications/library I am writing.
• 1489[15:00:48] <jelly> in general, versions of software in stable do not change
• 1490[15:01:16] <ESphynx> because I can't use the work around ('cause newer libcrypto-dev is installed), and the libcurl-linked library is too old so it requires those work around
• 1491[15:02:24] <ESphynx> jelly, it's a major issue that not all packages were migrated to OpenSSL >= 1.1 because of this API incompatibility between the two
• 1492[15:02:36] <ESphynx> (before stretch release I mean)
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• 1495[15:03:09] <ESphynx> jelly, is it versions of software? or just a dependency setting on libcurl package?
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• 1499[15:03:44] <ESphynx> anyways now I have libcurl 4.5 installed and I have it linked with libcrypto 1.1 'cause I built it myself
• 1500[15:03:59] <ESphynx> and my apps won't crash anymore.
• 1501[15:04:03] <jelly> ESphynx: yes, and from what I've heard, lots of software STILL isn't ported to 1.1.
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• 1503[15:04:21] <jelly> ESphynx: it's versions of software.
• 1504[15:04:53] <ESphynx> jelly, that version of libcurl probably supported libssl 1.1 just fine
• 1505[15:05:05] <ESphynx> as for the other apps, I don't know how many of them would require more than a rebuild?
• 1506[15:05:17] <jelly> you JUST said API changed.
• 1507[15:05:36] <ESphynx> jelly, the binary API changed... but I would think all you need is to rebuild against the newer version.
• 1508[15:05:56] <jelly> (it's not just ABI. Also, API changed, and code requires fixing)
• 1509[15:06:18] <jelly> if it was just rebuilding it would have been rebuilt a long time ago
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• 1511[15:07:20] <jelly> openssl 1.1 was present in stretch before freeze. Things that _could_ have been easily migrated to 1.1, _were_
• 1512[15:07:39] <ESphynx> jelly, "We've landed (numerous) changes to the
• 1513[15:07:39] <ESphynx> openssl code in curl to support >= 1.1.0. We started that in December 2014!
• 1514[15:07:39] <ESphynx> (commit 577286e0e246) "
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• 1517[15:08:53] <jelly> in any case, arguing what could have been done is not going to yield a productive result, and you have a workaround, so I'm off to do something productive
• 1518[15:09:35] <ESphynx> jelly, I'm just suggseting perhaps libcurl could be rebuilt now and work with 1.1
• 1519[15:10:01] <tw> maybe it is in buster, it's a bit late for stretch
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• 1521[15:10:30] <jelly> ESphynx: it's a rather widely used package, and that would change binary dependencies which is highly undesirable during stable
• 1522[15:10:32] <ESphynx> If it is not working already, the change is minimal: replaced-url
• 1523[15:10:39] <g0zzy> Very odd. locate is hanging on me. There are numerous locate processes, which are refusing to be killed. What gives?
• 1524[15:10:49] <ESphynx> jelly, random crashes are even less desirable.
• 1525[15:11:10] <jelly> ESphynx: you can file a bug report against libcurl3 or src:curl if it's not already there
• 1526[15:11:15] <jelly> !reportbug
• 1527[15:11:15] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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• 1529[15:12:21] <jelly> finding an existing package in debian that crashes would make an excellent point as well
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• 1535[15:14:32] <ESphynx> something accessing many https URLs concurrently... that tried to setup OpenSSL callbacks but had 1.1 dev headers, so couldn't set things for the 1.0.2 library that libcURL linked.
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• 1537[15:15:52] <tw> So it interferes with libcurl's socket handling w/o verifying the underlying library version.
• 1538[15:16:04] <tw> yeah, if that's a debian package, report a bug.
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• 1548[15:24:10] <dka> nslcd is not starting at startup, that's weird, any idea how to fix this?
• 1549[15:24:24] <jelly> ESphynx: I suppose you can't build with 1.0.2 dev headers installed instead of 1.1 dev headers?
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• 1552[15:25:13] <g0zzy> Is there in any way a link between doing a search with locate and the actual file system the paths in its db show? I ask because i'm having weird problems with locate
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• 1554[15:25:56] * g0zzy uses sshfs and that is often problematic
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• 1556[15:26:45] <ESphynx> jelly, I'm not sure, there may be also an issue of the library installed? having my app depending on 2 different instances of libssl is no good either.
• 1557[15:26:54] <ESphynx> I link both libssl directly and libcurl
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• 1559[15:29:09] <ESphynx> I think I failed a bug... (emailed the bug tracker)
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• 1567[15:33:02] <jelly> ESphynx: you can have lots of versions of same library installed as long as they have a different ABI (soname)
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• 1571[15:35:25] <ESphynx> jelly, i'm talking about linked by the same application
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• 1577[15:37:03] <jelly> sure, but it's not the mere fact that some libfoo.so.1 and libfoo.so.3 are installed that breaks your linking
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• 1587[15:41:30] <ESphynx> jelly, no it's the fact that libcurl expects 1.0.2 while I want my app and all its dependencies to use 1.1
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• 1589[15:42:22] <jelly> libcurl.so.3 doesn't merely expect 1.0.2, it's built against that specific soname and you can't replace it with a different one
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• 1593[15:42:53] <jelly> however
• 1594[15:43:04] <jelly> ,depends libcurl3 --release buster
• 1595[15:43:05] <judd> No package named 'libcurl3' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1596[15:43:09] <jelly> ,depends libcurl4 --release buster
• 1597[15:43:10] <judd> Package libcurl4 in buster/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libcom-err2 (>= 1.01), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.14+dfsg), libidn2-0 (>= 0.6), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libnghttp2-14 (>= 1.12.0), libpsl5 (>= 0.16.0), librtmp1 (>= 2.4+20131018.git79459a2-3~), libssh2-1 (>= 1.7.0), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4).
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• 1599[15:43:54] <jelly> you can build inside a buster env, not stretch
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• 1602[15:45:08] <ESphynx> jelly, I build on my installed system :P
• 1603[15:46:00] <jelly> you might find it worthwhile to separate your workstation OS from any build env
• 1604[15:46:19] <n4dir> if only there was a tool for such ...
• 1605[15:46:45] <jelly> or five, and I never know which one is the nicest
• 1606[15:46:47] <ESphynx> jelly, well we do want to look into more automated builds and such :)
• 1607[15:47:14] <ESphynx> but I would always still be building on my workstation for active coding & debugging :)
• 1608[15:47:29] <tw> what does openssl provide callback hooks for?
• 1609[15:47:38] <n4dir> jelly: just learned that systemd can do it too. but like always: perhaps i misunderstood
• 1610[15:47:48] <ESphynx> tw, locking mutexes... how do I get my bug report number?
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• 1612[15:48:54] <ESphynx> tw, replaced-url
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• 1614[15:49:09] <jelly> bts ought to mail you back with thei number I think
• 1615[15:49:19] <ESphynx> jelly, I thought so... didn't get it
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• 1617[15:50:04] <jelly> see if it appears on replaced-url
• 1618[15:50:05] <spackle259> I'm having real hard time figuring out how udev to work. I would like to run a script automatically when i plug a usb drive into my workstation. I spent last 2 hours looking for solution and they all say to create a rulefile under /etc/udev/rules.d but no matter what i do i cant get my script to run
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• 1621[15:51:35] <ESphynx> don't see it there ... I included Package: libcurl-openssl-dev Version: 7.52.1-5+deb9u7
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• 1623[15:52:40] <outoftime> I'm going to do some development, what is the recommended way to install different libraries versions, python verion, etc. in debian?
• 1624[15:53:01] <ESphynx> I'll resend it with 'curl' (source package) maybe ?
• 1625[15:54:12] <spackle259> Hey guys. I'm having real hard time figuring out how to get udev rules to work. I looked everywhere I could think of for last 2 hours and came out empty handed. I would like to run a script when I insert certain USB into my system. I read debian wiki but still my script wont trigger. Any help would be much appriciated
• 1626[15:54:36] <spackle259> Oops sorry about repost
• 1627[15:54:38] <JustASlacker> what you got so far?
• 1628[15:55:40] <JustASlacker> you should be able to see what happens with "udevadm monitor"
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• 1630[15:56:40] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Yeah i can see the device activity but it wont trigger my script
• 1631[15:56:59] <JustASlacker> maybe past your script somewhere
• 1632[15:57:10] <spackle259> JustASlacker: udevadm monitor --kernel --subsystem-match=usb --property
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• 1634[15:57:30] <spackle259> JustASlacker: its actually just a touch test.txt to see if it would do anything
• 1635[15:57:49] <spackle259> JustASlacker: So nothing fancy. I just wanted to varify if the action would trigger the script
• 1636[15:58:13] <JustASlacker> and whats in your rule?
• 1637[15:58:30] <themill> ESphynx: #911085
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• 1639[15:58:45] <ESphynx> themill, thank you :)
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• 1642[16:00:33] * themill wonders if he can file 31 bugs to pick up a couple of nice numbers
• 1643[16:00:34] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Any idea?
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• 1652[16:03:22] <JustASlacker> whats in your rule?
• 1653[16:03:35] <JustASlacker> or rule file, rather
• 1654[16:03:50] <Psy-Q> i'm seeing that changed snmp user now on all servers that do unattended upgrades
• 1655[16:04:00] <Psy-Q> gotta find out what's going on there
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• 1657[16:04:14] <spackle259> JustASlacker: hang on
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• 1659[16:04:37] <JustASlacker> Psy-Q: there was an update to snmp recently
• 1660[16:04:41] <spackle259> ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idProduct}=="1000", ATTRS{idVendor}=="090c", RUN+="/home/{USERNAME}/script"
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• 1662[16:04:57] <spackle259> JustASlacker: ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idProduct}=="1000", ATTRS{idVendor}=="090c", RUN+="script"
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• 1664[16:05:18] <Psy-Q> JustASlacker: yeah, but we already had that Debian-snmp user ever since upgrading to stretch, i wonder why things have changed anyway?
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• 1666[16:05:42] <apollo13> Psy-Q: download the source debs and compare
• 1667[16:05:51] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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• 1673[16:07:38] <Psy-Q> ok, thanks
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• 1676[16:08:05] <JustASlacker> spackle259: looks good to me... does udevadm test list that rule?
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• 1681[16:10:12] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Hey tell me more about what its suppose to do cos i did try test but i didnt see my file.. let me try with grep real quick
• 1682[16:10:16] <spackle259> JustASlacker: b right back
• 1683[16:10:46] <JustASlacker> its been ages since Ive been messing with udev
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• 1689[16:15:49] <spackle259> JustASlacker: hey so yeah i do see my rule in the list
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• 1691[16:16:01] <spackle259> JustASlacker: lol now im more confused to why the heck this wont trigger
• 1692[16:16:17] <spackle259> JustASlacker: do you think it has anything to do with execute permission?
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• 1695[16:17:28] <JustASlacker> maybe, if the rule is in the list
• 1696[16:18:13] <JustASlacker> maybe use RUN+="/usr/bin/logger \o/"
• 1697[16:18:20] <JustASlacker> to check if it logs to sysloh
• 1698[16:19:06] <spackle259> JustASlacker: what is sysloh do you mean syslog?
• 1699[16:19:12] <JustASlacker> aye
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• 1701[16:19:59] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Sorry not trying to be nitpicky just this \o/ is new to me
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• 1704[16:21:49] <JustASlacker> its just what gets logged to syslog
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• 1706[16:22:00] <JustASlacker> maybe use RUN+="/usr/bin/logger Script triggered"
• 1707[16:22:17] <JustASlacker> maybe use RUN+="/usr/bin/logger ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
• 1708[16:22:23] <JustASlacker> whatever
• 1709[16:22:38] <JustASlacker> you should see it in syslog, if the rule gets executed
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• 1711[16:22:58] <spackle259> JustASlacker: gotcha... im tailing syslog see if it shows up
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• 1713[16:23:07] <spackle259> JustASlacker: thats where its gonna dump it right?
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• 1715[16:23:42] <spackle259> JustASlacker: i ll be damned it triggered
• 1716[16:23:48] <JustASlacker> \o/
• 1717[16:24:11] <spackle259> JustASlacker: but now have to figure out whats wrong with the script
• 1718[16:24:14] <JustASlacker> aye
• 1719[16:24:19] <JustASlacker> my work here is done
• 1720[16:24:40] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Thank you my good sir...or maam!!
• 1721[16:24:45] <spackle259> JustASlacker: lol
• 1722[16:25:25] * JustASlacker bows
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• 1737[16:30:08] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Can I bug you one more time? What does it mean when it says failed with exit code 2. I mean i know it means it faced serious trouble but im confused to why it executes just fine when im running from commandline but not when im using in udev
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• 1743[16:31:17] <Psy-Q> the postinst scripts for net-smtp are identical between those versions, it seems to do an adduser Debian-snmp and a chown -R of /var/lib/snmp after every install of the package, in the postinst configure section
• 1744[16:31:50] <Psy-Q> not sure if i'm reading things right, gotta go find out when configure is called
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• 1747[16:32:34] <JustASlacker> spackle259: could be anything. what path for your script?
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• 1752[16:34:33] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Currently at my home but just moved it to usr/bin to see if that makes a difference. I may have found the culprit. will update in a min
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• 1754[16:35:57] <spackle259> JustASlacker: Fucking A....worked.. Dumbo me.. it was a fucking #!/bin/bash flag
• 1755[16:36:02] <JustASlacker> heh
• 1756[16:36:10] <JustASlacker> shit happens
• 1757[16:36:10] <spackle259> JustASlacker: lession learned!! lol Thanks a billion my friend
• 1758[16:36:14] <JustASlacker> no worries
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• 1771[16:45:22] <Psy-Q> it seems that the snmpd package always removes, then re-adds the Debian-snmp user on upgrade
• 1772[16:45:47] <Psy-Q> and so if you've added any users in the meantime, you'll get rkhunter yelling at you for changed uids and gids
• 1773[16:45:55] <JustASlacker> that sucks
• 1774[16:46:20] <RoyK> Psy-Q: is that a simple "apt upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" or a full distro upgrade?
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• 1777[16:47:00] <Psy-Q> RoyK: whatever unattended-upgrades does
• 1778[16:47:09] <JustASlacker> probably just apt upgrade
• 1779[16:47:16] <Psy-Q> all our servers with rkhunter complained about it over the weekend
• 1780[16:47:29] <JustASlacker> snmpd had an update on 11th October
• 1781[16:47:38] <RoyK> Psy-Q: unattended-upgrades does whatever you tell it to
• 1782[16:48:25] <Psy-Q> and it seems that it also removes the user "snmp" on case upgrade in postrm, so if you have a user called "snmp" that has nothing to do with snmpd and upgrade that package, that user is removed?
• 1783[16:49:11] <JustASlacker> that must have been pretty scary
• 1784[16:49:14] <Psy-Q> RoyK: i'll find out what's set
• 1785[16:49:20] <JustASlacker> all the servers triggering rkhunter
• 1786[16:49:31] <RoyK> stretch?
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• 1789[16:50:53] <JustASlacker> well, the snmp user is always there, no?
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• 1792[16:52:39] <Psy-Q> no, the snmp user will be removed by the snmpd package, it seems
• 1793[16:53:21] <Psy-Q> the user used to be called snmpd but is now Debian-snmpd, but the package seems to shoot and murder the user "snmp" no matter what
• 1794[16:53:56] <Psy-Q> colleague is trying that out on a machine now while i fetch the unattended-upgrade config from one of those servers so i can paste it
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• 1797[16:55:53] <Psy-Q> sorry, users are called "snmp" and "Debian-snmp", strike that d
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• 1800[16:57:51] <Psy-Q> 50unattended-upgrades: replaced-url
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• 1802[16:58:32] <Psy-Q> and yes, upgrading snmpd deletes the "snmp" user every time
• 1803[16:59:43] <greycat> that sounds like a bug that should be reported, if it hasn't yet
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• 1805[17:01:13] <Psy-Q> yeah, i think i'll report that as a separate bug
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• 1818[17:15:53] <mroe> how do I choose a specific version to install from the apt-cache policy list?
• 1819[17:16:10] <greycat> "apt-get -t stretch-backports foopkg" for example
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• 1824[17:17:07] <mroe> replaced-url
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• 1826[17:17:14] <mroe> I want to install the 2.2.8 version of VLC
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• 1828[17:17:48] <runjutsu> hi, I would like to report a jew. Can someone point me to the proper authorities?
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• 1853[17:30:57] <jelly> mroe: use just "apt-cache policy" to see if you can use a distinctive -t to pick a repo, or use "apt-get install foopkg=versionnumber" syntax. You will have to hold the package after installing to avoid it being accidentally upgraded
• 1854[17:31:04] <jelly> !hold
• 1855[17:31:05] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 1858[17:31:44] <jelly> !dmo
• 1859[17:31:45] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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• 1866[17:35:13] <g0zzy> Is there a good way to guard against network problems when using a cifs mount? man mount.cifs talks about server crashing but what about general network problems?
• 1867[17:35:14] <mroe> jelly, when I do apt-get install vlc=2.2.8 I get "Version '2.2.8' for vlc ws not found
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• 1870[17:35:35] * g0zzy is getting a lot of hanging, processes blocked on IO
• 1871[17:35:47] <mroe> I even tried 2.2.8-dmo1[+deb8u1]
• 1872[17:35:57] <jelly> mroe: you need the whole version string.
• 1873[17:36:40] <jelly> mroe: that includes the epoch as well, so 1:2.2.8-dmo1+deb8u1
• 1874[17:37:16] <mroe> jelly, replaced-url
• 1875[17:37:27] <mroe> oh the 1: too?
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• 1877[17:38:31] <jelly> exactly what the "version table" from "apt-cache policy packagename" lists
• 1878[17:38:53] <jelly> it's not enough to specify a unique substring
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• 1880[17:39:22] <mroe> jelly, is there any way to avoid dependency hell? replaced-url
• 1881[17:39:29] <jelly> no
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• 1883[17:39:47] <mroe> VLC got updated to stretch, but there is a bug in that version of VLC, so I'm trying to rollback
• 1884[17:40:12] <jelly> it's a common occurence when you mix repos for different releases
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• 1886[17:41:26] <jelly> it might be a bit easier to solve the installation issues if you use aptitude instead of apt-get
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• 1888[17:41:54] <jelly> however, Depends: libvncclient0 (>= 0.9.9) but it is not installable
• 1889[17:42:32] <jelly> mroe: that one won't be achievable until you add back a jessie mirror
• 1890[17:42:55] <mroe> jelly thanks
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• 1892[17:43:22] <jelly> consider making a separate chroot with jessie and jessie-dmm and installing in there
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• 1894[17:44:20] <jelly> and maybe something like schroot can help with management
• 1895[17:44:52] <jelly> it's probably less messy than mixing back jessie and jessie dmm into an otherwise stretch installation
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• 1900[17:49:48] <jelly> mroe: mixing a newer branch into on older installation is a recipe for disaster and leads to !frankendebian; mixing release-1, older branch info a newer installation can be manageable, but you'll prboably be missing any security updates for old packages you add back, so be careful
• 1901[17:50:25] <mroe> jelly, yea, the alternative is to reinstall jessie
• 1902[17:50:35] <jelly> and maybe report the bug affecting vlc versin in stretch, see if it gets fixed
• 1903[17:51:03] <jelly> mroe: again, an alternative is to have a separate jessie chroot.
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• 1965[18:28:30] <dive-o> What's the proper way to contribute an update to a package? mail the maintainer? There are no shortage of "contributing to debian" guides out there, all of which seem to be overkill if I'm just looking to say "hey please include the latest version of this module instead of maintaining an ancient version"
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• 1978[18:38:00] <jelly> dive-o: file a bug report, Priority: wishlist, show where the latest version tarball can be grabbed from, and don't forget even if it's fixed it users probably won't see that until Debian 10
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• 1982[18:38:37] <jelly> dive-o: if you're upstream, might be nice to mention it in the report
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• 1984[18:39:00] <jelly> !reportbug
• 1985[18:39:00] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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• 1989[18:39:32] <dive-o> I'm not upstream. I just use a feature that's in upstream (of an nginx module) and there's zero good reason to maintain the existing version especially given that it requires the maintainer to keep track of a patch to fix bugs that are no longer there in upstream
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• 1993[18:40:51] <jelly> dive-o: in general, versions in current release do not get changed without VERY good reasons. See if it's already fixed in testing or unstable branch if you haven't done that yet
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• 1996[18:41:29] <dive-o> in unstable, it's a newer version of nginx with the same old version of the module for some reason
• 1997[18:42:11] <dive-o> from the changelog it appears it just hasn't been a priority; i don't think many use the module in question, or if they do, they don't require the functionality that's in the newer version
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• 2002[18:43:14] <dive-o> So what I ended up doing was manually building nginx packages with the newer module, and now I get to maintain a repository just for that - seems like a better use of time to get the new version of the module into the nginx packages
• 2003[18:43:15] <jelly> then just file the bug if it's not there already. If it reduces the size of debian patches now's the right time to make potentially incompatible changes
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• 2007[18:43:52] <dive-o> okay
• 2008[18:44:44] <jelly> !buster freeze
• 2009[18:44:44] <dpkg> Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see replaced-url
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• 2025[18:50:30] <pagetelegram> Yo, when I 'mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/Data' it disappears from Filemanager. Using WindowMaker environment. sda5 is exfat and I have exfat-fuse installed and mounts fine.
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• 2035[18:56:04] <pagetelegram> Also the mount dockapp does not show any drives to mount or unmount. I have a fat32 and exfat partitions.
• 2036[18:56:48] <at0m> pagetelegram: "disappears from Filemanager" - maybe the mountpoint gets browsable instead?
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• 2048[19:02:23] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 2051[19:03:14] <tobiasBora> A friend of mine just upgraded his system, and after a reboot KDE disapeared. So he reinstalled kde-full, and still after a reboot, only a TTY.
• 2052[19:03:24] <tobiasBora> "starx" gives an error "cannot run in framebuffer mode"
• 2053[19:03:44] <greycat> Make sure all necessary firmware is installed.
• 2054[19:03:56] <greycat> sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware # for a starting point
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• 2059[19:04:52] <somiaj> You'll have to debug why xorg is having trouble. Also what debian version was the system upgraded from and to?
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• 2062[19:05:26] <greycat> I'm *guessing* jessie to stretch, as that's where video is most likely to go from working to non-working.
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• 2064[19:06:13] <jelly> I had nvidia in the machine at that time. ANY moment was most likely to go from working to non-working.
• 2065[19:06:15] <tobiasBora> greycat: ok thanks he is trying.
• 2066[19:06:28] <tobiasBora> somiaj: he updated from testing to testing I think
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• 2069[19:06:47] <tobiasBora> so maybe I should go to #next ? ^^
• 2070[19:06:56] <somiaj> tobiasBora: #debian-next is the channel for testing support on irc.oftc.net
• 2071[19:06:56] <greycat> probably, yes
• 2072[19:07:14] <tobiasBora> I"ll go there, thanks for your help
• 2073[19:07:20] <somiaj> tobiasBora: also, might just have your friend join that network, getting actual output and info is a bit better than relaying it through a middle person.
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• 2088[19:19:57] <dive-o> jelly: is there not a web form for reporting bugs? There used to be
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• 2090[19:20:49] <greycat> The bug tracking system is entirely driven by email. You have to submit by email so that the maintainers can contact you to ask for more details, etc.
• 2091[19:21:18] <greycat> I also suspect it's intentionally done to keep the noise level down.
• 2092[19:21:45] <dive-o> I've got no problem with sending an e-mail, my problem is with the expectation that I can do so from the debian system on which the package in question is installed :)
• 2093[19:22:11] <greycat> You can submit the report from any email system.
• 2094[19:22:23] <greycat> Doing it from the affected Debian system is simply the easiest way.
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• 2098[19:23:02] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2101[19:25:25] <dive-o> thanks
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• 2137[19:58:18] <Kobaz> dconf-CRITICAL **: 13:57:39.125: unable to create directory '/run/user/1000/dconf': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly
• 2138[19:58:22] <Kobaz> what's a good fix for that
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• 2142[20:00:11] <Kobaz> oh, hmm
• 2143[20:00:19] <Kobaz> permissions are finally sticking, i think it's fixed
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• 2154[20:14:23] <nehemiah> I'm PXE booting Ubuntu computer using NBD by means of two kernel parameters (root=/dev/nbd0 nbdroot=192.168.72.20:/srv/images/stretch) which works just fine.
• 2155[20:14:51] <somiaj> Should this be asked in #ubuntu?
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• 2158[20:15:11] <nehemiah> Doing the same on debian results in the following error: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /root failed: No such device
• 2159[20:15:35] <nehemiah> I'd like to switch over to Debian.
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• 2162[20:16:29] <nehemiah> When booting the Debian image with the Ubuntu kernel it works. So, I assume it has something to do with the kernel.
• 2163[20:16:50] <nehemiah> Anybody know what I need to do to boot from NBD on Debian?
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• 2165[20:17:17] <somiaj> Not sure on that answer, but yes that is a debian support question.
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• 2167[20:19:48] <nehemiah> It might be worth noting that the image gets successfully mapped to /dev/nbd0 and that as far as I can tell it fails to mount it on '/root'.
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• 2170[20:20:56] <somiaj> Lets take a step back, is your goal to PXE boot a debian installer (or PXE boot a debian install)?
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• 2181[20:25:02] <somiaj> nehemiah: It could be that the
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• 2184[20:26:17] <somiaj> nehemiah: It could be that the NBD module isn't put in the debian initramfs by default. You should compare the debian kernel to the ubunutu one (the debian kernel config file should be at /boot/config-version), and the initramfs. It could be you have to manually add the NBD module(s) to the initramfs on debian. check /etc/initramfs-tools/modules for a list of additional modules to include
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• 2192[20:34:16] <somiaj> nehemiah: replaced-url
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• 2222[20:49:45] <reber__> hey is there an html editor like wix ?
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• 2226[20:51:58] <somiaj> there are some wysiwyg editors for html, but I don't think many get used that much. seamonkey (netscape) still has one, but it is very basic and most likely doens't support a lot of modern css/frameworks.
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• 2228[20:52:19] <somiaj> wordpress I think is a common one, you can edit webpages with it, and install/configure themes.
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• 2252[21:02:52] <jhutchins_wk> There have been HTML development environments - KDE had one in 3.5 but they killed it.
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• 2254[21:03:15] <jhutchins_wk> THey can be handy to keep multiple pages collected.
• 2255[21:03:30] <somiaj> isn't eclipse for java/javscript, or did it also do html.
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• 2258[21:03:50] <somiaj> I also think there is far more effort making them for windows, not linux. I don't think many who use linux as their desktop want such tools.
• 2259[21:04:08] <somiaj> I've switched to markdown for most my web authoring these days.
• 2260[21:04:32] <jhutchins_wk> reber__: replaced-url
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• 2266[21:06:56] <jhutchins_wk> ,v quanta
• 2267[21:06:57] <judd> No package named 'quanta' was found in amd64.
• 2268[21:09:06] <jhutchins_wk> ,v bluefish
• 2269[21:09:07] <judd> Package: bluefish on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.3-4; jessie: 2.2.6-2; jessie-backports: 2.2.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.9-1+b1; buster: 2.2.10-1; sid: 2.2.10-1
• 2270[21:09:16] <jhutchins_wk> ,v komodo
• 2271[21:09:17] <judd> No package named 'komodo' was found in amd64.
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• 2283[21:18:46] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: There is a komodocore (or something) in buster.
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• 2287[21:20:15] <karlpinc> somiaj: Markdown makes me cranky. RST on the other hand is well-defined.
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• 2302[21:32:30] <somiaj> karlpinc: I like markdown, but I don't use much of its advanced features.
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• 2350[21:59:40] <fredl-pc> hey folks, got a networking question, okay to ask?
• 2351[22:00:05] <greycat> @ask
• 2352[22:00:10] <greycat> !ask
• 2353[22:00:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2354[22:01:01] <fredl-pc> I have a home wifi bla bla router (Fritzbox, 192.168.178.1) but I want to use my Linux server (192.168.178.2) as router instead so I see somewhat more meaningful on ntopng
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• 2356[22:01:32] <fredl-pc> The linux box has 192.168.178.1 as its gateway
• 2357[22:01:58] <fredl-pc> So routing should go 192.168.178.0/24 -> 192.168.178.2 -> 192.168.178.1
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• 2360[22:02:36] <fredl-pc> I have allowed ipv4 forwarding on my Linux box and a ferm firewall that allows forwarding
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• 2362[22:03:04] <greycat> I'd disable the firewall at first, and then you can always throw it on later once you're sure things are working.
• 2363[22:03:13] <fredl-pc> Okay fair enough
• 2364[22:04:15] <fredl-pc> when I ping google.com from my PC with default gateway set to 192.168.178.2, I get replies that it's 'Filtered', no matter if firewall on or off
• 2365[22:05:19] <fredl-pc> So is that possible with two hops like that?
• 2366[22:05:40] <fredl-pc> Or should I really have different subnets?
• 2367[22:06:25] <greycat> If you tried it with two subnets and it worked better the other way, well, that's a really low price to pay.
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• 2369[22:06:51] <fredl-pc> I haven't yet but shouldn't it theoretically work?
• 2370[22:07:14] <greycat> I really don't know enough about networking to say for sure.
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• 2372[22:07:28] <fredl-pc> what's the weird thing....
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• 2374[22:07:41] <fredl-pc> When I ping google.com from 192.168.178.2 I get:
• 2375[22:07:46] <fredl-pc> From smtp.3dn.nl (82.197.215.233) icmp_seq=1 Packet filtered
• 2376[22:08:02] <fredl-pc> So I get a reply back from 82.197.215.233 (my external IP)
• 2377[22:09:00] <karlpinc> somiaj: RST is markdown, pretty much, but there's a standard specification.
• 2378[22:09:02] <RoyK> someone fiddling with DNS?
• 2379[22:09:13] <RoyK> fredl-pc: which dns servers do you use?
• 2380[22:09:14] <fredl-pc> I know a bit RoyK
• 2381[22:09:24] <RoyK> good
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• 2383[22:09:42] <fredl-pc> I have my own internal DNS server (PowerDNS)
• 2384[22:09:56] <fredl-pc> But I'm not sure how that's relevant for my question?
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• 2386[22:10:09] <RoyK> do you use the ISP's DNSs server for forwrding?
• 2387[22:10:18] <fredl-pc> Nope
• 2388[22:10:22] <RoyK> ok
• 2389[22:10:42] <RoyK> perhaps something is proxied there, then
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• 2391[22:10:50] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: Is the $plasticrouter doing the dhcp and setting the DNS server?
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• 2393[22:10:55] <RoyK> gods, I hate the lack of ipv6 support
• 2394[22:10:57] <greycat> For diagnostic purposes, it's best to ping an IP and avoid DNS entirely. Like, ping 8.8.8.8
• 2395[22:11:24] <fredl-pc> Oh it resolves fine, I get same results when I ping the IP directly
• 2396[22:11:36] <greycat> It's one less thing to worry about.
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• 2398[22:11:46] <fredl-pc> karlpinc - nope, got internal DHCP server
• 2399[22:11:47] <RoyK> fredl-pc: what if you try something like "host asdf.com 8.8.8.8" ?
• 2400[22:12:11] <fredl-pc> guys... what does that have to do with routing??
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• 2404[22:12:28] <fredl-pc> I appreciate you try to help...
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• 2408[22:13:02] <RoyK> fredl-pc: just sounds like something is bad on the routing part
• 2409[22:13:09] <fredl-pc> yeah
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• 2415[22:15:09] <fredl-pc> one thing that's weird that on the Linux server, when I do ip route get to 172.217.20.110 from 192.168.178.3 I get 'RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument'
• 2416[22:15:14] <jelly> fredl-pc, you don't strictly _need_ two segments, but unless you do use them, how is your new router going to know which part of the netework is "internal" and which is "public facing"
• 2417[22:15:29] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: It's a little strange having the default gw on your linux box be different from the default gw on the rest of the network. A network gw is supposed to be the gw for the whole network. But it should still work. However, your message from smtp.3dn.nl says that the packet is filtered at smtp.3dn.nl, right? So $plasticrouter is doing something odd.
• 2418[22:16:10] <fredl-pc> jelly - you're right, intuitively that's what I think too
• 2419[22:16:43] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: The other thing that's happening, unless your linux box is NATting, is that the ping is going to return straight from the $plasticrouter to your PC without going through the Linux box.
• 2420[22:16:53] <fredl-pc> karlpinc, correct, that's what I think as well but I can't find anything useful in that Fritzbox's settings :(
• 2421[22:16:57] <jelly> fredl-pc, show the output of "ip a" and "ip r" on the .2 machine
• 2422[22:17:15] <jelly> !paste
• 2423[22:17:16] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 2424[22:17:29] <fredl-pc> replaced-url
• 2425[22:17:50] <fredl-pc> replaced-url
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• 2427[22:18:20] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: traceroute might help confirm things. But really, you can either have 2 segments, physical wires in and out of your linux box, or possibly run 2 different networks on the same wires.
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• 2429[22:18:23] <fredl-pc> oh... well now the default gw still going to .1
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• 2431[22:18:52] <fredl-pc> coz when I set it to .2 I get disconnected :)
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• 2433[22:19:09] <jelly> where else should it go on THIS machine (.2)
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• 2435[22:19:36] <fredl-pc> oops you're right, sorry
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• 2437[22:19:51] <fredl-pc> So that routing table is as it should be on the .2 right?
• 2438[22:20:02] <jelly> yes
• 2439[22:21:03] <mvaenskae> how can i find out the reason as to why apt upgrade isn't doing an upgrade?
• 2440[22:21:13] <fredl-pc> So on the .3 to test I do route del default gw 192.168.178.1; route add default gw 192.168.178.2
• 2441[22:21:13] <mvaenskae> right now lots of kde-libs are held back
• 2442[22:21:22] <jelly> mvaenskae, which debian release?
• 2443[22:21:23] <jhutchins> !bat
• 2444[22:21:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2445[22:21:59] <mvaenskae> jelly: buster atm, stretch had some issues with my hardware so i couldn't sadly use it :(
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• 2447[22:22:05] <fredl-pc> I'm actually kinda preparing for connecting that server directly to the internet instead of the Fritzbox
• 2448[22:22:15] <fredl-pc> So then everything should be totally different
• 2449[22:22:25] <jelly> mvaenskae, then, in addition to !bat, you'll want to show that info in ...
• 2450[22:22:28] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2451[22:22:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2452[22:22:29] <fredl-pc> But anyway, I'm just trying to grasp what happens
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• 2454[22:22:41] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: The thing about running 2 networks on the same wire, or for that matter with what you're doing now -- messing about with gateways, is that e.g., the linux box could send an icmp redirect to other boxes on the network telling than that it is more sane to go straight to 192.168.178.1 for the gateway. (This probably does not happen if you run 2 networks on the same wire. I forget the details. But it will happen with your
• 2455[22:22:41] <karlpinc> current setup. Or could.)
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• 2459[22:22:52] <mvaenskae> i am mostly curious as to how i can find out the reason... it just doesn't do anything and at least something like 'installation failed due to blocker X' or the likes#
• 2460[22:23:08] <jhutchins> fredl-pc: I don't think this actually matches what you're trying to do, but you might find some useful info here: replaced-url
• 2461[22:23:26] <fredl-pc> karlpinc - Oh I blocked that with net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects=0
• 2462[22:23:30] <mvaenskae> would have been something... convenient i would think
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• 2464[22:23:43] <greycat> mvaenskae: since you're not on stable, the MAIN reason is that you probably need to do dist-upgrade instead of regular upgrade, because on not-stable boxes, packages get shuffled around and replaced all the time
• 2465[22:23:45] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: Just take the frizbox out of the equation then.
• 2466[22:23:50] <jelly> mvaenskae, "apt-get upgrade" does not do what you want it to, especially not on a distro release with many changes
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• 2468[22:24:12] <fredl-pc> karlpinc - yeah but that takes some time, it's one with a direct fiber connection, FTTH
• 2469[22:24:39] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: Well, tcpdump is also your friend if you want to see what the network is really doing.
• 2470[22:24:48] <mvaenskae> jelly: i assume a package update is done with that approach, not a distro-upgrade
• 2471[22:24:49] <fredl-pc> Soon I'll replace the whole copper ethernet 1Gbps with a dual X520 fiber card
• 2472[22:25:04] <jelly> mvaenskae, both assumptions are wrong
• 2473[22:25:14] <fredl-pc> karplinc - yeah but tcpdump not so nice with forwarding packets
• 2474[22:25:17] <jelly> !dist-upgrade
• 2475[22:25:18] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
• 2476[22:25:19] <mvaenskae> then there's lots of incorrect knowledge on the internet :)
• 2477[22:25:37] <jelly> it's not knowledge at all
• 2478[22:25:44] <fredl-pc> See what is the WEIRDEST thing of all....
• 2479[22:25:52] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: It lets you see what's happening....
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• 2481[22:26:06] <jelly> dist-upgrade was NEVER just "this is used for a release upgrade"
• 2482[22:26:30] <fredl-pc> I got another network at other location, as far as I can see the situation is nearly identical, except different gateway (TP-Link) and different subnet (192.168.1.0/24
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• 2484[22:26:42] <fredl-pc> And there it works peachy
• 2485[22:27:11] <fredl-pc> So I've been trying to analyze WTF is the difference, if theres anything other relevant than ip_forwarding and correct routing table
• 2486[22:27:13] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: Smells like the $plasticrouter. :}
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• 2488[22:27:24] <fredl-pc> yeah I HATE that thing
• 2489[22:27:36] <fredl-pc> It's nice for simple shit
• 2490[22:27:55] <fredl-pc> And once upon a time you could install Freetz on it which was cool
• 2491[22:28:11] <fredl-pc> Nowadays they won't let you get into the router with SSH anymore
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• 2493[22:29:18] <fredl-pc> Oh I just tried a traceroute!
• 2494[22:29:25] <fredl-pc> That's... telling :)
• 2495[22:29:57] <fredl-pc> replaced-url
• 2496[22:30:24] <fredl-pc> That would explain why I see what looks like some sort of p4cketst0rm when I sniff with tcpdump
• 2497[22:30:51] <jelly> fredl-pc, well, you have two options. You're either going to have to pass IP traffic unchanged, which will make .1 very confused about which MAC addresses other machines are supposed to have, or you'll have to do masquerading, and that's going to be interesting to configure unless you introduce a separate ipv4 network for "internal" traffic
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• 2500[22:31:29] <fredl-pc> jelly - that still doesn't explain however why it DOES work on my other location :)
• 2501[22:31:31] <jelly> and if you're passing traffic unchanged, that's hardly routing. It's proxy-arp or bridging.
• 2502[22:31:44] <jelly> fredl-pc, you're missing something.
• 2503[22:31:58] <fredl-pc> uhm, isn't passing traffic unchanged *exactly* what routing is?
• 2504[22:32:15] <fredl-pc> I know, but can't figure out what I'm missing
• 2505[22:32:25] <jelly> passing them from one iface to other, not to the same one
• 2506[22:32:31] <fredl-pc> I think I agree with karlpinc though that it's something fubar at .1
• 2507[22:32:44] <jelly> layer 3 stays the same, mac addresses change
• 2508[22:33:05] <karlpinc> jelly: I belive there's a 3rd option, run another martian network on the same physical infrastucture. To get between the 2 networks the traffic has to bounce off the .2 box.
• 2509[22:33:20] <fredl-pc> So the arp table on .1.... hmmm that's a good point
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• 2511[22:33:34] <fredl-pc> of course I can't see that :(
• 2512[22:33:35] <karlpinc> The .2 box would be the only box on both networks.
• 2513[22:33:45] <jelly> fredl-pc, I'm 95% sure #Netfilter will tell you exactly why all of this is silly and can't work
• 2514[22:33:58] <fredl-pc> I'll go check there then :)
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• 2520[22:34:46] <jelly> karlpinc, no idea what you mean by "martian network"
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• 2523[22:35:33] <karlpinc> (But then the .2 box would either have to masquerade or the $plasticrouter would have to have it's routing tables adjusted to route the 2nd internal netwrork through the .2 box, which would be preferable.)
• 2524[22:36:00] <jelly> is .1 configurable at all?
• 2525[22:36:02] <karlpinc> jelly: A martian network is a network with IPs which are not supposed to be publicly routable. 10.0.0.0/8 etc.
• 2526[22:36:29] <karlpinc> jelly: I think I saw the term in an rfc somewhere? Long ago....
• 2527[22:37:15] <jelly> so any rfc1918 range and some others is martian
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• 2529[22:37:23] <karlpinc> yeah
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• 2532[22:38:13] <karlpinc> rfc1918 is probably more clear. (But not so l33t. )
• 2533[22:38:21] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2538[22:39:39] <karlpinc> fredl-pc: It's _possible_ to examine the arp table on .1 by careful probing with the arp command on another box. The point of an arp table is to respond to arps. But it probably does not make sense to go there.
• 2539[22:40:01] <fredl-pc> Probably not :P
• 2540[22:41:01] <fredl-pc> Although... hmm I'm thinking... with routing... so L3 right, the router will replace the sender MAC to its own MAC instead of MAC of real sender right?
• 2541[22:41:17] <fredl-pc> So what if the old MAC address is still in the ARP table on .1?
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• 2546[22:42:22] <fredl-pc> it's on tip of my tongue... nnnngggg
• 2547[22:42:31] <fredl-pc> Sorry, I talk a lot
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• 2550[22:43:08] <fredl-pc> nobody replying on #netfilter, alas
• 2551[22:43:35] <karlpinc> The arp table associates MAC addresses with IPs. The arp map is used to tell how to send stuff where "on the wire". Once you cross to a different set of "wires" you are routing and MAC addresses don't matter.
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• 2553[22:44:23] <fredl-pc> I know :)
• 2554[22:44:30] <fredl-pc> But I'm not on different wire :)
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• 2556[22:44:53] <fredl-pc> so it gets tricky then
• 2557[22:45:24] <fredl-pc> In past I've noticed that the Fritzbox seems a bit fubar when you try to do keepalived as well (floating one IP between two machines)
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• 2559[22:45:55] <fredl-pc> It's not even a cheap device BTW
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• 2561[22:46:19] <fredl-pc> replaced-url
• 2562[22:46:34] <fredl-pc> So you'd think... they should be able to get it right
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• 2564[22:47:10] <fredl-pc> anyway, hooking up FTTH directly to the Linux box is a nice little project
• 2565[22:47:26] <fredl-pc> So I think I'll just wait for that instead of getting frustrated over this
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• 2576[22:56:53] <fredl-pc> I'm wondering if root on NFS is really a good idea, htmm
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