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• 38[00:27:24] <gunix> how can i configure gnome 3 to get a notification every time an update is available?
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• 40[00:28:41] <annadane> gunix, you can install pk-update-icon
• 41[00:28:52] <annadane> though i'm not too familiar with gnome, perhaps a better solution exists
• 42[00:29:14] <annadane> intuitively you would think that gnome already has something like that but *shrug*
• 43[00:29:33] <annadane> (and also set pk-update-icon to autostart when gnome starts)
• 44[00:29:48] <gunix> there is an interface for software & updates, however it allows only for daily checks (not every hour, for example), and only the option for security updates is displayed. the one for other updates is not
• 45[00:29:57] <gunix> the one for all updates is greyed out
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• 50[00:34:59] <QuadBad> Any way I can throttle CPU MHZ, or set the cpu fan to stay on 24-7 (No options in BIOS) [Compaq Presario C700] The cpu gets around 90 degrees even when not doing too much maybe just youtube but it is a single core but meh
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• 53[00:37:59] <gena2x> try replace thermal grease
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• 55[00:38:41] <gena2x> and clean stuff up first
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• 59[00:39:54] <linoge> Hi there, could anyone point me to literature on how to add files to initramfs on debian please :)?
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• 65[00:41:36] <gena2x> linoge, I would read existing scripts
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• 67[00:41:52] <somiaj> linoge: check /etc/initramfs-tools
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• 69[00:43:00] <linoge> I'll check, thanks ;-)
• 70[00:43:02] <somiaj> also /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/examples for example hooks, scripts or modules that can add stuff during the build process
• 71[00:43:32] <somiaj> initramfs-tools also has a man page
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• 83[00:47:28] <gunix> annadane: found it: replaced-url
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• 85[00:47:40] <annadane> ah, cool
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• 88[00:48:16] <annadane> makes sense it's in extensions already
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• 112[01:09:52] <petitor> Hey, I'm having some trouble installing Debian on a UEFI laptop. Grabbed the amd64 netinstall media, dd'd it to a USB flash drive, but I can't get any combination of UEFI/legacy/CSM working with the flash drive. After booting into my current installation of linux, gparted is showing that it's unable to detect the filesystem and fdisk shows it as a dos fs without UUID.
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• 118[01:12:54] <somiaj> petitor: what was the exact dd command you used to write the usb drive, and is this on Mac osX or another linux distro?
• 119[01:12:59] <somiaj> petitor: also did you disable secure boot?
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• 122[01:15:01] <petitor> Secure boot is disabled, and the exact command I issued on linux is: 'dd if=/path/to/debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync'.
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• 126[01:16:58] <petitor> With the paths changed, obviously.
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• 139[01:24:42] <linoge> succeeded, thanks very much gena2x, somiaj ;-).
• 140[01:25:05] <somiaj> petitor: did you really type /dev/sdX?
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• 142[01:26:10] <petitor> No, the literal address is '/dev/sdb1'.
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• 145[01:27:38] <prappl93> petitor, you'd just put /dev/sdb
• 146[01:27:47] <prappl93> No partition number
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• 149[01:29:57] <somiaj> petitor: that is your problem, point at the disk, /dev/sdb not the partition, /dev/sdb1
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• 151[01:30:04] <somiaj> petitor: see having the exact thing you typed helps. (:
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• 167[01:42:49] <petitor> somiaj: Thanks, that definitely helped. Lost my connection for a second, and now I'll be messing with getting the installer to work with my hardware for a little while.
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• 179[01:48:34] <Iridos> dpkg, pip
• 180[01:48:35] <dpkg> The "pip" utility (in the python-pip package) permits the installation of python modules. Use of this as root for system-wide installation can break packaged python modules and applications and is not recommended. Use in a <virtualenv> or for a single user in ~/.local/ can have similar effects but at least the breakage is limited to one user. See <local python>
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• 182[01:48:58] <Iridos> that doesn't actually recommend anything on what to do if you want additional modules
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• 195[01:54:25] <AlexPortable> What is a good substitute to notate the time in a filename when you can't use : ?
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• 197[01:54:58] <AlexPortable> also no /
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• 200[01:55:30] <eck> unicode snowman maybe
• 201[01:55:56] <Iridos> depends on you?
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• 204[01:57:03] <AlexPortable> what do you mean depends on you
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• 207[01:57:48] <Iridos> use a . ?
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• 209[01:58:06] <Iridos> or date +%s
• 210[01:58:22] <AlexPortable> . not allowed
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• 212[01:58:29] <AlexPortable> since it implies an extension
• 213[01:58:35] <Iridos> it doesn't
• 214[01:58:46] <Iridos> well, it may imply it to you…
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• 216[01:58:49] <Iridos> so it depends on you
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• 218[01:58:54] <AlexPortable> some filesystems might imply it like an extension
• 219[01:58:58] <AlexPortable> i personally dont care
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• 222[01:59:25] <Loeb> I'm trying to downgrade fontconfig from 2.12(.3-0.2) to 2.11(.0-6.7), but when I do apt-get install fontconfig=2.11.0-6.7, it says package not found. I got the older version # from apt-cache madison. What am I doing wrong?
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• 226[02:00:49] <Iridos> judd, versions fontconfig
• 227[02:00:50] <judd> Package: fontconfig on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.0-7.1; wheezy-security: 2.9.0-7.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.11.0-6.3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.11.0-6.3+deb8u1; stretch: 2.11.0-6.7+b1; buster: 2.12.3-0.2; sid: 2.12.3-0.2
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• 234[02:01:43] <Iridos> if this is stable … you shouldn't mix testing into stable
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• 236[02:02:14] <ransur0t> Curious, what is the current tool/package for software update notifications with gnome integration?
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• 238[02:02:57] <Iridos> and the version string is 2.11.0-6.7+b1 according to judd… it has to match exactly
• 239[02:02:59] <Loeb> I'm on testing, but I guess fontconfig didn't get updated until recently
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• 241[02:03:38] <ransur0t> I'm perfectly comfortable with a regular apt update && apt dist-upgrade, but, if I'm feeling lazy ... alernatives?
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• 243[02:04:04] <Loeb> @ransur0t, apt-get upgrade ?
• 244[02:04:04] <Iridos> I don't see how you could get anything but the stable/testing/sid versions with apt-get madison
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• 246[02:04:41] <Loeb> yeah madison gives me... ooooh, I think I see. only 2.12 is Packages, 2.11 is in there as Sources
• 247[02:04:47] <Loeb> so I guess the package isn't available then?
• 248[02:05:03] <Iridos> it should be in snapshots
• 249[02:05:07] <Iridos> but maybe not just yet
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• 251[02:05:35] <Loeb> I'd like to get this rolled back somehow, cause my fonts are WAY different and it's very annoying.
• 252[02:05:47] <Iridos> pft, or archives… naming of somethings is slightly… babilonyan
• 253[02:05:57] <Iridos> dpkg, snapshots
• 254[02:05:57] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 256[02:06:03] <ransur0t> Loeb: notifications tool (update via cli not an issue)
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• 259[02:06:56] <Iridos> Loeb, have you checked if you still have the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
• 260[02:07:21] <Loeb> It seems as though I do
• 261[02:07:25] <Loeb> can I just dpkg -i from there?
• 262[02:07:30] <Iridos> then … right
• 263[02:07:48] <Iridos> that's what it's for
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• 267[02:09:05] <Iridos> well, he *seemed* grateful, right?
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• 270[02:10:00] <Loeb> Well that changed it. But my fonts are still weird. :(
• 271[02:10:31] <Loeb> I wish I knew what the old fonts were. I tried uninstalling fonts-open-sans and they were closer... but they looked kinda broke. Maybe I should check that package.
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• 275[02:11:19] <ransur0t> gnome-packagekit?
• 276[02:11:23] <Iridos> you might want to ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable… there's more people there who run it
• 277[02:11:33] <Loeb> I asked there earlier today, seemed pretty dead,
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• 279[02:11:58] <Iridos> well, fewer people overall… but more who might have the same problem
• 280[02:12:01] <Loeb> I'm also WAY behind on packages, I had only been doing upgrade and not dist-upgrade, so it could have been who knows what
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• 284[02:14:21] <ransur0t> gonna go with gnome-packagekit ;)
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• 287[02:16:02] <Loeb> Hmm...is there a way to show what exact version changes there were from an apt upgrade?
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• 289[02:16:11] <Loeb> I've got a list of the packages from something in here but it just shows the version that got installed
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• 295[02:18:08] <Iridos> there's /var/log/{apt/history.log,aptitude,dpkg.log}
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• 297[02:18:12] <Sveta> Loeb: guix / nix have transactional package manager, maybe it is useful for you .. allows to rollback updates ( no idea how that integrates into debian, i'm aware of it as a separate distro )
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• 299[02:18:37] <Iridos> dpkg.log should be complete… the other ones probably depend on the frontend
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• 301[02:19:38] <Iridos> it does have every step dpkg takes, though, which makes it a bit verbose
• 302[02:19:47] <Iridos> time to sleep. gn.
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• 306[02:20:43] <Loeb> night
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• 310[02:21:53] <Iridos> so probably grep upgrade /var/log/dpkg.log or so
• 311[02:21:54] <Iridos> nn
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• 313[02:22:49] <Loeb> I think it might just be fonts-open-sans. Removing that makes things look more like they were... but the hinting is different.
• 314[02:22:54] <Loeb> I'll leave it like this for now.
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• 325[02:33:21] <Maido-Chan> how does one create custom persistant directory variables like $HOME?
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• 328[02:34:58] <phogg> Maido-Chan: persistent in what sense?
• 329[02:35:03] <Sveta> they're environment variables, whether they contain a file path or not is kind of arbitrary
• 330[02:35:34] <Maido-Chan> they stay after reboots and such. have to be manually removed.
• 331[02:35:36] <phogg> Maido-Chan: the HOME variable is no more persistent than any other variable, it's just that the shell sets it for you automatically.
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• 333[02:36:16] <phogg> Maido-Chan: you can overwrite the value, unset it, etc.. Not recommended. If you want to define a variable that will re-appear each time you log in place it in a shell startup file
• 334[02:36:55] <phogg> Maido-Chan: if your shell is bash you should read the INVOCATION section of the bash man page which will explain what files bash will read, in what order and when. Briefly: ~/.bash_profile is probably what you want.
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• 336[02:37:24] <Maido-Chan> thinking on it. is it stupid and if not possible to remap my drives to something easier to navigate say /drives/mame/ /drives/games/ etc?
• 337[02:38:37] <phogg> Maido-Chan: you can mount storage devices anywhere you like. That said you cannot *move system files* just anywhere
• 338[02:38:46] <phogg> or rather not without making what is essentially a new custom distribution
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• 340[02:39:28] <phogg> Maido-Chan: you can place your own files (documents) pretty much anywhere, but if you move files in /usr or /var somewhere else then programs expecting to find them may be unable to, the package manager will hate you and things will probably break.
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• 344[02:41:09] <Maido-Chan> I'm not looking at moving any system assosiated volumes fortunatly. just my multimedia that i'm getting sick of navigating to over and over again via /media/[user]/[obscure numeric id]/
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• 347[02:41:56] <phogg> Maido-Chan: I don't know who exactly mounts things in /media; I don't. I also set things up in a much more manual way than most people like.
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• 349[02:42:13] <Maido-Chan> that's where debian put my drives when i installed it.
• 350[02:42:19] <phogg> Maido-Chan: if you want an easier path you can also make symlinks
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• 352[02:42:36] <phogg> Maido-Chan: removable drives? Like external ones or flash drives?
• 353[02:42:44] <Maido-Chan> no my internal drives
• 354[02:42:51] <phogg> Maido-Chan: what odd practice
• 355[02:43:04] <Maido-Chan> like i said it's apparently debian defult.
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• 357[02:43:16] <phogg> I don't exactly follow along with defaults so it well could be.
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• 359[02:43:52] <phogg> Maido-Chan: in all probability you can umount those mount points, modify fstab to your taste and remount in whatever new locations you choose
• 360[02:44:18] <phogg> Maido-Chan: or just make symlinks in new locations and pretend those are the real directories. That's less difficult and the effect is nearly the same.
• 361[02:44:18] <Maido-Chan> ok so symlinks. i'm guessing marginal usage of my drives to store the link data, the data will appear 2 times on my system tree and i can mess things to heck if i put the simlink inside the thing it links to?
• 362[02:44:34] <phogg> Maido-Chan: No. Are you unfamiliar with symlinks?
• 363[02:44:43] <Maido-Chan> that's a yes. :P
• 364[02:44:51] <Maido-Chan> what part are you saying no to?
• 365[02:45:23] <phogg> Maido-Chan: say you want /drives/games to be a thing. First mkdir /drives and then ln -s /media/$user/$obscure_id /drives/games
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• 367[02:45:51] <phogg> Maido-Chan: Now you can go to either place and see the same files; you are in both cases looking in the /media location but it just does not look like it
• 368[02:46:20] <Maido-Chan> so thats a yes to #2 then. :P
• 369[02:46:20] <phogg> Maido-Chan: if you ever create a loop this way by mistake attempting to follow the symlink will cause a harmless error and you can just remove the bad file.
• 370[02:46:41] <Maido-Chan> and a no to #3.
• 371[02:47:12] <Maido-Chan> since it's just telling the system "hey this thing is supposed to be here too" that #1 is a yes i'd guess.
• 372[02:47:12] <phogg> In terms of size: symlinks take as much space as the path to the file to which they point
• 373[02:47:35] <Maido-Chan> is there any limit to path lengths like there is in dos?
• 374[02:47:38] <phogg> so pointing to /drives/games/ would require 14 bytes
• 375[02:47:47] <phogg> Maido-Chan: Not one you are likely to hit
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• 377[02:48:54] <Maido-Chan> i dunno. i do have a nasty habit of ending up with file paths like ./new folder/new folder/new folder/ when i'm feeling lazy about sorting my stuff...a habit i really should stop.
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• 379[02:49:11] <phogg> Maido-Chan: there is a limit to the length of each path component.
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• 382[02:49:40] <phogg> I believe it's dependent on the filesystem... 255 bytes? SOmething like that.
• 383[02:50:02] <dogman> My instinct for organization in my physical world is poor, but my instinct for organization in my virtual worlds are really strong.
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• 385[02:50:33] <Maido-Chan> so ln is link. -s is sym(i assume short for symbolic?) then real path then id which i guess says the next thing will be the sympath?
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• 387[02:50:51] <dogman> tl;dr I am surrounded by trash, but my computer's files are very well organized.
• 388[02:51:09] <Maido-Chan> dogman. i'm the opposite. i'm obsessive irl but messy digitally.
• 389[02:51:39] <phogg> Maido-Chan: yes, -s means symbolic and ln means link. man ln for details.
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• 391[02:52:17] <phogg> dogman: I like to keep just enough clutter around for a lived-in look without it becoming squalor. It's a fine line. Digitally I stay religiously organized.
• 392[02:52:33] <Maido-Chan> so unlike mount i don't need to create a folder of the 'mount point'?
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• 394[02:52:56] <phogg> Maido-Chan: you only need to create the base directory; ln itself creates the file (which if it points to a directory acts like a directory)
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• 397[02:54:25] <phogg> mkdir -p -- /tmp/test-dir /tmp/test-dir2 ; touch /tmp/test-dir/a ; ln -s /tmp/test-dir /tmp/test-dir2/link ; ls -l /tmp/test-dir2/link # you will see a
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• 399[02:55:03] <Maido-Chan> welp getting d/ced sucks
• 400[02:55:30] <Sveta> <phogg> Maido-Chan: you only need to create the base directory; ln itself creates the file (which if it points to a directory acts like a directory)
• 401[02:55:32] <Sveta> <phogg> mkdir -p -- /tmp/test-dir /tmp/test-dir2 ; touch /tmp/test-dir/a ; ln -s /tmp/test-dir /tmp/test-dir2/link ; ls -l /tmp/test-dir2/link # you will see a
• 402[02:55:36] <Sveta> that's what you missed
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• 404[02:56:35] <phogg> Sveta: thanks, I totally missed his part
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• 409[02:57:18] <phogg> actually my example was wrong because of a missing trailing slash after the last link. You will see the symlink path, you need link/ to see the file a.
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• 421[03:08:58] <AlexLikeRock_> ineed activate hibernate and suspend by /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d
• 422[03:09:04] <AlexLikeRock_> how to do ?
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• 452[03:27:14] <newcoder> How can I update time at top bar?
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• 454[03:27:23] <newcoder> It's showing wrong time
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• 463[03:33:00] <dTal> AlexLikeRock_ What I did was put the following in a file:
• 464[03:33:03] <dTal> #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> int main() { FILE *f; f = fopen(/sys/power/state, a); fprintf(f, disk\n); fclose(f); return(0); }
• 465[03:33:11] <dTal> and made it SUID
• 466[03:34:13] <dTal> (well, I compiled it first. And chowned the binary to root. And there were some quotes that got stripped there apparently
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• 484[03:42:39] <drx3> Hello, i would like to create a debian stretch stable docker image in a similar way that i do for centos 7. I am not familiar much with debian. I am currently running centos 7, i have a folder called ~/docker/ where i have 2 folders inside it named, centos7 and debian. The folder centos7 has all the usual folders we find in a linux system, bin, boot, etc, home... , from the centos7 folder i can create a docker imag
• 485[03:42:40] <drx3> e by running the command; tar -C ${centos} -c . | docker import - centos:7 ... i want to do the same with debian, how can i pull all the folders debian will use for the docker image ?
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• 498[03:49:02] <drx3> IRC is dead, no support whatsoever on any of the channels. All robots nowadays.
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• 500[03:50:01] <eck> true
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• 503[03:50:51] * simonlnu has no docker experience
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• 505[03:51:09] <dogman> IRC is new technology
• 506[03:51:20] <dogman> I see it growing and being popular in the next few years.
• 507[03:51:59] <eck> what we really need is a way to put irc on the blockchain, then it will really take off
• 508[03:52:21] <LtL> dogman: IRC is older than replaced-url
• 509[03:52:33] <drx3> true
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• 514[03:54:40] <dogman> LtL Yeah I was joking.
• 515[03:55:19] <drx3> I guess nobody has worked on docker images before or nobody cares about my problem lol.
• 516[03:55:43] <gftg> drx3: I know very very little about docker, but won't debootstrap do what you want (i.e.: put the debian files in a directory so you can use your commands to create the docker image)?
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• 518[03:56:50] <gftg> drx3: iirc, docker doesn't need a kernel, so you don't even need to take the extra step of installing the kernel (which is typically done in an installation with debootstrap)
• 519[03:57:28] <drx3> i am reading: replaced-url
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• 521[03:57:49] <drx3> but i read: Using mkimage-debootstrap.sh (now flagged as deprecated by upstream)
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• 525[03:59:08] <drx3> I was hoping someone had more experience and a howto to get me started.
• 526[03:59:36] <gftg> drx3: I was not aware of mkimage-debootstrap.sh.
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• 534[04:00:26] <drx3> the Manual method suggest replaced-url
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• 538[04:00:41] <drx3> i guess i am on the right direction : )
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• 540[04:00:52] <gftg> drx3: I would say so, too.
• 541[04:01:08] <drx3> thanks
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• 544[04:01:28] <DJDan> how do I get Debian working in Vbox with both the main OSX Laptop and the Network/Internet using a Static IP?
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• 600[04:07:24] <annadane> drx3, please have some patience with regard to irc
• 601[04:07:32] <annadane> if people don't answer it's because they don't know
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• 605[04:09:27] <drx3> I know, it just seems like, and i might be wrong, it seems like on a channel with over 1600 users/bots, it should of been more 'alive' chats... but seriously, IRC is not the same anymore.
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• 609[04:10:11] <drx3> annadane, thanks.
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• 613[04:12:09] <borkd> irc was always like this..
• 614[04:12:28] <drx3> not true
• 615[04:12:44] <borkd> lots of people idling, i mean
• 616[04:12:46] <drx3> more busy
• 617[04:12:58] <drx3> ok, but more talk/chats going on.
• 618[04:13:02] <drx3> more active i mean
• 619[04:13:09] <bazhang> depends
• 620[04:13:40] <drx3> of ? time of day ? yes maybe.
• 621[04:13:41] <bazhang> this is a support channel, it veries
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• 623[04:13:52] <drx3> Yes
• 624[04:13:56] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic is the chatter one
• 625[04:14:04] <drx3> True
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• 629[04:15:59] <drx3> Have a good night.
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• 644[04:23:16] <helpme> Can anyone help me
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• 649[04:24:04] <indsupport> can anyone help me
• 650[04:24:15] <indsupport> can anyone help me
• 651[04:24:29] <indsupport> can anyone help me
• 652[04:25:33] <indsupport> can anyone help me
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• 654[04:25:45] <indsupport> can anyone help me
• 655[04:25:53] <indsupport> can anyone help me
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• 657[04:26:06] <indsupport> can anyone help me
• 658[04:26:06] <bazhang> indsupport, ask
• 659[04:26:36] <indsupport> how to I repair a damaged Luks encrypted LVM partition?
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• 661[04:27:38] <indsupport> how to I repair a damaged Luks encrypted LVM partition?
• 662[04:27:57] <bazhang> patience indsupport
• 663[04:28:00] <indsupport> how to I repair a damaged Luks encrypted LVM partition?
• 664[04:28:08] <indsupport> sorru
• 665[04:28:12] <indsupport> *sorry
• 666[04:28:13] <bazhang> when someone has an answer they will respond
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• 672[04:33:32] <indsupport> *sorry
• 673[04:33:41] <indsupport> so how to I repair a damaged Luks encrypted LVM partition?
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• 675[04:35:25] <indsupport> so how to I repair a damaged Luks encrypted LVM partition?
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• 678[04:35:53] <indsupport> so how to I repair a damaged Luks encrypted LVM partition?
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• 680[04:36:11] <Epakai> use your backup, now go away. nobody wants to help an asshole.
• 681[04:36:16] <indsupport> so how to I repair a damaged Luks encrypted LVM partition?
• 682[04:36:25] <indsupport> there is no backup buddy
• 683[04:36:28] <th0r> indsupport, here is a place to start replaced-url
• 684[04:36:33] <indsupport> no go away Epakai
• 685[04:36:42] <indsupport> ty th0r
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• 687[04:37:14] <indsupport> th0r is a perfect example of how to help a fellow debian user
• 688[04:37:18] <indsupport> unlike Epakai
• 689[04:37:32] <indsupport> Who is a really good antithesis to the thesis
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• 691[04:37:39] <Epakai> fuck off mate. i'm not here to deal with your bullshit or take shit from you who spams the channel for no good reason
• 692[04:37:43] <indsupport> wow
• 693[04:37:53] <indsupport> Thanks a lot Epakai
• 694[04:37:58] <Epakai> any time
• 695[04:38:05] <indsupport> Now you proved my point
• 696[04:38:06] <th0r> indsupport, so long as you feed the troll he won't leave
• 697[04:38:13] <indsupport> ok
• 698[04:38:49] <esainane> I would appreciate it if I didn't see the same question twenty times over when I have the time to look at the channel again
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• 702[04:40:13] <indsupport> esainane: The Argument is over
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• 704[04:40:23] <indsupport> Were all at peace now
• 705[04:40:31] <indsupport> ok esainane
• 706[04:40:34] <indsupport> ?
• 707[04:41:09] <esainane> Certainly, that's just something for everyone to keep in mind for the future
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• 709[04:41:53] <Epakai> no, what you did was extremely rude. rather lazy. you could have made some effort in trying to solve the issue yourself before begging for what was a google search away. Next time take a moment and help yourself before a bit before begging.
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• 714[04:42:46] <indsupport> Epakai: I did google search and attempted to fix my problem
• 715[04:43:24] <indsupport> When that failed i went towards more experienced users
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• 718[04:43:54] <preaction> and threw a tantrum until one helped
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• 720[04:44:42] <indsupport> a tantrum?
• 721[04:45:07] <indsupport> thats a obvious exageration my friend
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• 765[05:15:59] <AlexPortable> /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin ?
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• 768[05:16:22] <preaction> the latter will, iirc, tell the person trying to log in that they can't
• 769[05:16:33] <AlexPortable> whats better security wise?
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• 771[05:18:26] <AlexPortable> and how would i disable users from logging in directly, but still allow su - username ?
• 772[05:18:54] <preaction> logging in directly from a tty or ssh?
• 773[05:19:26] <AlexPortable> both
• 774[05:20:52] <preaction> looks like neither
• 775[05:21:02] <preaction> neither will allow su - <user>
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• 779[05:22:15] <AlexPortable> and how to disable direct login?
• 780[05:22:38] <AlexPortable> it should be possible to disable direct login but still allow su -
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• 782[05:23:59] <preaction> both disable direct login. neither allow su -. you can do "su -ls /bin/bash <user>"
• 783[05:24:22] <edin00n> Hi! i have this problem incorrect password when trying to unlock screen
• 784[05:24:45] <preaction> or "su -lp <user>"
• 785[05:25:11] <edin00n> • /msg nickserv identify Eddin01 whoami100%
• 786[05:25:18] <edin00n> hello
• 787[05:25:55] <AlexPortable> -lp -ls ?
• 788[05:26:21] <preaction> yes
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• 790[05:26:41] <edin00n> Hi! i have this problem incorrect password when trying to unlock screen
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• 828[05:54:34] <geejay> is there anybody running Q4 OS debian out here
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• 843[06:04:18] <cockox_> Hello!
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• 851[06:13:14] <annadane> geejay,
• 852[06:13:16] <annadane> !anyone
• 853[06:13:17] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 855[06:14:00] <annadane> additionally, i'm not even sure what q4 is or whether it's even supported in this channel...
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• 858[06:14:40] <annadane> ah, well, no, it's not supported here, it's another OS entirely
• 859[06:14:44] <annadane> !based on debian
• 860[06:14:44] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 917[07:14:57] <jonathan_x> ,v dokuwiki
• 918[07:14:58] <judd> Package: dokuwiki on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.0.20120125b-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.0.20120125b-2+deb7u1; jessie: 0.0.20140505.a+dfsg-4; buster: 0.0.20160626.a-2; sid: 0.0.20160626.a-2
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• 1021[08:27:17] <k0ala> Hello, I've got an issue on Debian 9. The issue is that Debian 9 won't load my wireless drivers anymore(Debian 7 and 8 did fine). Can somebody please help?
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• 1025[08:30:03] <towo^work> missing firmware propably?
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• 1043[08:42:28] <k0ala> Yeah. Do you know how I should fix it?
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• 1064[08:54:58] <towo^work> k0ala, install the missing firmware?
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• 1067[08:56:33] <Zambezi> I'm about to make a fresh install of Stretch to a new Samsung 850 Pro. My concern is EXT4. Don't want to corrupt the harddrive in an instance. The tutorials is abit outdated. I'm think server install, then Notion and the dependencies. Good to go?
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• 1071[08:57:34] <towo^work> i don't see the problem at the moment
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• 1107[09:11:52] <rubas> Hi all :)
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• 1120[09:22:01] <k0ala> towo^work: Yeah, that's my question. How should I do that?
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• 1134[09:27:01] <hexhaxtron> I'm trying to run SSH and Apache2 on the same port 443. It seems to work with SSH but when I try to open the site I get: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10+deb9u1 Protocol mismatch.
• 1135[09:27:05] <hexhaxtron> Any help?
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• 1137[09:27:39] <hexhaxtron> I forgot to mention I'm using sslh
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• 1141[09:28:49] <marcelo> hi
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• 1156[09:37:42] <dexta> gm
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• 1160[09:39:00] <towo^work> k0ala, since no one knows your hardware, who should know?
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• 1174[09:45:43] <k0ala> towo^work: I have a Lenovo L560
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• 1183[09:49:31] <fed6> Is anyone aware of how to use carpalx in Debian?
• 1184[09:49:44] <Epakai> k0ala: if this ubuntu page (replaced-url
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• 1186[09:51:11] <k0ala> Epakai: thanks!
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• 1197[09:56:23] <royiv_> replaced-url
• 1198[09:56:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1200[09:57:16] <royiv_> This bug is annoying as hell. update-grub generates a broken grub.cfg; grub drops you into a grub> prompt.
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• 1206[09:57:59] <royiv_> Jessie, AFAICT, is responsible; it *appears* to have upgraded the grub2 scripts, but neglected to actually upgrade grub itself.
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• 1212[09:58:41] <royiv_> (AFAICT, this bug is *still* present, just most people will never run into it, as long as their GRUB is recent.)
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• 1215[09:59:11] <royiv_> Now I've just got to figure out how to get GRUB to regenerate its image, when it is installed as a chainload.
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• 1237[10:09:38] <vahe> I'm now in a difficult situation, I created a live CD (usb 4GB) when enabled, writes , The selected boot device failed. Press <Enter> to continue. , how to create image on dd?
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• 1241[10:10:59] <GNU\colossus> vahe, how exactly did you create the USB medium?
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• 1244[10:11:16] <GNU\colossus> (you can dump the cd image to the thumb drive 1:1 these days, and it should just work)
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• 1247[10:11:25] <vahe> GNU\colossus: yes
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• 1250[10:12:02] <vahe> GNU\colossus: dd if=iso of=/dev/sdX && sync
• 1251[10:12:16] <GNU\colossus> hm. that should have worked.
• 1252[10:12:29] <vahe> I even tried using other
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• 1255[10:12:39] <GNU\colossus> maybe the thumb drive is bad
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• 1257[10:12:54] <vahe> GNU\colossus I think the problem is in the BIOS
• 1258[10:12:54] <GNU\colossus> if you re-plug it, what does the kernel ringbuffer (dmesg) have to say?
• 1259[10:13:02] <GNU\colossus> that's also possible
• 1260[10:14:16] <vahe> GNU\colossus: I have 3-4 days can't run
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• 1262[10:14:37] <vahe> GNU\colossus: BIOS roughly looks like this replaced-url
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• 1264[10:15:23] <GNU\colossus> have you tried letting the machine start in EFI mode?
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• 1267[10:15:37] <GNU\colossus> (Debian does support that)
• 1268[10:15:53] <vahe> GNU\colossus: no
• 1269[10:16:09] <GNU\colossus> you might wanna give it a try
• 1270[10:16:16] <vahe> but why it suddenly not work ?
• 1271[10:16:16] <GNU\colossus> can't be worse than the status quo :)
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• 1273[10:16:32] <vahe> GNU\colossus: haha, ok
• 1274[10:16:44] <vahe> now I'll try
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• 1277[10:18:34] <petn-randall> !tell Quik_USER about away
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• 1280[10:22:20] <dionysus69> hey everyone
• 1281[10:22:26] <dionysus69> I have this in crontab
• 1282[10:22:44] <dionysus69> * * * * * /bin/bash -l -c 'cd /home/user/project && bundle exec rake task --silent'
• 1283[10:23:01] <dionysus69> when I execute the command in terminal it works, but it doesnt really work every minute as it should
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• 1287[10:23:31] <dionysus69> I also checked the syslog and crontab is actually calling this command but something is not right, not really seeing results
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• 1304[10:30:11] <petn-randall> dionysus69: $PATH is not set in cron, so it won't find the command "bundle".
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• 1328[10:40:43] <dionysus69> ohh
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• 1330[10:41:29] <dionysus69> petn-randall: I have same command on production server and it works though
• 1331[10:41:32] <petn-randall> dionysus69: That's a general pitfall in cron. All other env variables are not set either, but with PATH you notice the most.
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• 1333[10:41:40] <dionysus69> instead of bundle I can put /home/user/.rvm/gems/ruby-2.4.1/bin/bundle
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• 1337[10:41:52] <petn-randall> dionysus69: Maybe you manually set PATH in one of cron's config files?
• 1338[10:42:06] <dionysus69> where are cron's confid files?
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• 1340[10:42:26] <dionysus69> I didnt set anything someone else had to do, first time using cron so I dont know most things about it
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• 1344[10:46:04] <petn-randall> dionysus69: You can simply set "PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:" in /etc/crontab, and it would use that. But that's more of a hack and I wouldn't depend on it.
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• 1346[10:47:29] <dionysus69> ok thanks petn-randall, I will try use full path at this point and try investigate how the production version was working
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• 1358[10:54:42] <petn-randall> dionysus69: You're welcome. Glad I could help.
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• 1376[11:07:07] <Zambezi> Which filesystem do you use for SSD? Bought Samsung 850 Pro to replace my 80 GB HDD. Going to install Stretch but getting mixed answers about TRIM (periodic, continous). What's your experience?
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• 1378[11:07:34] <GNU\colossus> "depends on your workload™"
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• 1380[11:07:40] <GNU\colossus> on a desktop, it really hardly matters
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• 1385[11:12:31] <petn-randall> Zambezi: I'd use a default ext4, and set trim in the mount options. That works for me.
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• 1387[11:13:10] <Zambezi> petn-randall: Continious or periodic?
• 1388[11:13:46] <petn-randall> Zambezi: Setting the "trim" mount option would trim blocks when they are freed, so I guess that makes it continuous.
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• 1390[11:14:26] <rudi_s> trim as mount option can be slow as it forces a trim on every write/sync.
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• 1393[11:14:41] <rudi_s> *on every write/sync which deletes data
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• 1396[11:15:38] <petn-randall> rudi_s: It trims on deleted blocks, not on written blocks.
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• 1400[11:16:09] <Zambezi> rudi_s: So TRIM will be more aggressive? I would like a long lasting SSD. It's for general use. Probably going to copy contents from SD-cards (DSLR-picutre, actioncam movies).
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• 1402[11:17:06] <rudi_s> From what I know it doesn't really matter on modern SSDs. Personally I run a fstrim -av from time to time and no mount options.
• 1403[11:17:09] <Zambezi> petn-randall: You probably see my problem with mixed answers. Some says TRIM it's good, some it's bad.
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• 1406[11:18:20] <petn-randall> Zambezi: I think you're overanalyzing this. Both ways work fine, both options are hardly distinguishable in every day use, and even if you use your desktop 8 hours a day you'll not come close to the TBW limit of the SSD in this decade.
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• 1409[11:18:56] <dionysus69> petn-randall: including full path of bundle didnt help either :\
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• 1412[11:20:44] <Zambezi> petn-randall: Thanks for clearing that out. The SSD is manufactured in July so no need to flash the firmware. Really need to start over with a fresh install. Hopefully I remember everything I need.
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• 1422[11:29:56] <Zambezi> petn-randall: Let's say logs in Irssi. That's writing logs all the time. Better to save the logs on a mechanical harddrive?
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• 1429[11:31:15] <petn-randall> Zambezi: I wouldn't. If you have a rotating HDD, I'd only put things there that don't fit on the SSD.
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• 1431[11:31:29] <rudi_s> Zambezi: That's just a few kilobytes and doesn't matter. More problematic are browsers which in some cases can write several gigabytes in a few hours.
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• 1433[11:31:36] <dogman> Use Tape
• 1434[11:31:52] <rudi_s> (Not sure if that was fixed in chromium/firefox, the report is a year or so old.)
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• 1437[11:32:50] <petn-randall> Zambezi: To put it into perspective: I've been using this current SSD for over a year now nearly every day. I haven't even hit 1% of the TBW limit yet. If you extrapolate that, my SSD will last ~100 years with that usage pattern. Longer than I'd ever use it.
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• 1440[11:33:37] <glitch> petn-randall this is user. I fixed the network issue
• 1441[11:33:38] <petn-randall> Zambezi: Long story short: Unless you're running a busy server, don't worry about the SSD lifespan.
• 1442[11:34:41] <petn-randall> glitch: Wonderful! But can we continue that on the other #debian channel on oftc? It's less confusing that way.
• 1443[11:35:30] <glitch> how do i go to that channel?
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• 1448[11:36:58] <at0m> !oftc
• 1449[11:36:59] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 1451[11:37:47] <petn-randall> glitch: "/connect irc.oftc.net", then "/join #debian". Just like you did with your other IRC client.
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• 1466[11:45:30] <aZz7eCh> hi guys. debian jessie, gnome 3. if i double click an .exe in nautilus, it seems to automatically launch with wine or play on linux (presuming just wine). I'm trying to make a .desktop file to launch the .exe but it doesn't seem to automatically launch it with wine .. just returns an error. any pointers on how my Exec= line should read ?
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• 1470[11:46:19] <XeonSquared> Exec=wine filename.exe
• 1471[11:46:21] <XeonSquared> at a guess
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• 1498[12:04:40] <glitch> Please help, I'm trying to install some required yum packages with yum #install wget system-config-firewall-tui openssh-clients kernel-devel-2.6.32-358.el6.i686 libcurl-devel ncurses-devel compat-libstdc++-33 screen xterm
• 1499[12:04:40] <glitch> yum groupinstall "X Window System" "Development tools" and I get the following error #There are no enabled repos.
• 1500[12:04:40] <glitch> Run "yum repolist all" to see the repos you have.
• 1501[12:04:40] <glitch> You can enable repos with yum-config-manager --enable <repo>
• 1502[12:04:41] <glitch> then when I look for the repo I have 0
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• 1504[12:04:45] <magaltavor> Hello guys i am trying to make apache generate dump and it looks like it is impossible to me or i missing some security config on the system can anybody help in this matters
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• 1525[12:20:07] <ZSky> When I do:
• 1526[12:20:08] <ZSky> grep -E $1 /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log{.1,}
• 1527[12:20:16] <ZSky> it always writes at the beginning of each line found:
• 1528[12:20:23] <ZSky> other_vhosts_access.log: ...
• 1529[12:20:26] <ZSky> other_vhosts_access.log: ...
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• 1531[12:20:59] <ZSky> i.e. the name of the file, and this takes space on screen
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• 1533[12:21:11] <ZSky> can I remove the fact that grep displays the name of the file in which it's found when doing
• 1534[12:21:16] <pja> man grep: -h, --no-filename Suppress the prefixing of file names on output.
• 1535[12:21:38] <pja> manpages are wonderful things, use them :)
• 1536[12:21:51] <ZSky> true :)
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• 1538[12:22:21] <ZSky> Is it a good practice to do grep -Eh then?
• 1539[12:22:24] <ZSky> to have -E -h ?
• 1540[12:22:58] <pja> Depends. grep will print the filename as a prefix to matches if you give it more than one filename to search. It prints nothing if you only give it one filename (by default)
• 1541[12:23:20] <pja> If you’re going to parse the output & this is in a script, then it’s probably a good idea to nail down one format or the other.
• 1542[12:23:39] <pja> If you’re at the command line, then the default behaviour is usually what you want...
• 1543[12:23:42] <ZSky> I mean is "-E -h" equivalent to "-Eh"
• 1544[12:24:04] <ZSky> ?
• 1545[12:24:31] <pja> Try it? Usually you can do that with GNU utilities.
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• 1547[12:25:13] <aZz7eCh> XeonSquared, yes i figured something simple like that would work but it just isnt. if i cli $ wine "/path/to/program.exe", it launches. yet if i try and tell the .desktop file to do the same .... nope. and yes, my .desktop file is executable
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• 1549[12:25:25] <ZSky> it works, but not sure it's strictly equivalent
• 1550[12:25:30] <ZSky> it seems so
• 1551[12:25:42] <XeonSquared> huh
• 1552[12:25:47] <ZSky> Also I have created a script named "greplog" containg: "grep -Eh $1 /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log{.1,}"
• 1553[12:25:52] <Arahael> aZz7eCh: Your environment, including the $PATH, may well differ.
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• 1555[12:26:08] <XeonSquared> full path to WINE?
• 1556[12:26:11] <ZSky> so I can do: "greplog hello" and it will automatically display the grep hello of the logs
• 1557[12:26:15] <ZSky> but.... no colors anymore
• 1558[12:26:30] <ZSky> how to keep the colors normally rendered by grep when calling my script greplog?
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• 1563[12:27:14] <Arahael> ZSky: "man grep", and search for 'colour'.
• 1564[12:27:29] <Arahael> ZSky: (Actually, search for "color", it's usually best to use the american spelling)
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• 1567[12:28:31] <ZSky> Thanks!
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• 1574[12:29:53] <Arahael> ZSky: Generally the man and info pages are remarkably good. (Shame the UI for those suck)
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• 1578[12:33:17] <ZSky> Arahael it's because of the UI that I never use it, true ;)
• 1579[12:33:27] <ZSky> I have to think about it 5 seconds before being able to quit
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• 1582[12:34:04] <ZSky> Maybe debian/ubuntu would be good to quit vi to put nano by default for man?
• 1583[12:34:11] <ZSky> (i know vim is excellent for power users)
• 1584[12:34:19] <ZSky> (but for average users... it really is annoying)
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• 1619[12:48:08] <JohnA> Is there somewhere I can find recommendations as to partition sizes? space avail 5*2tb, system efi based?
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• 1621[12:48:55] <JohnA> probably go with buster, and its for a cloud server
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• 1630[12:54:02] <aZz7eCh> XeonSquared, Arahael thanks for the inputs. It turns out ... the problem was me trying to use ~/ instead of /home/user/. works fine from command line, but .desktop file wants the absolute path
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• 1632[12:55:13] <XeonSquared> ah, yeah I think that's parsed by the shell
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• 1687[13:19:09] <ZSky> Can a website be dispatched to many different IP?
• 1688[13:19:26] <ZSky> Example: how to make that example.com can be served by thousands different IP?
• 1689[13:19:32] <ZSky> (decentralized web) ?
• 1690[13:20:38] <JustASlacker> ZSky: replaced-url
• 1691[13:21:26] <gpunk> ZSky: or.. LVS
• 1692[13:21:44] <ZSky> JustASlacker: but finally isn't there one single IP that will choose which of the CDN node
• 1693[13:21:53] <ZSky> will be used to serve you?
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• 1695[13:22:17] <ZSky> ie the front proxy (or don't know the name) isn't centralized itself?
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• 1697[13:22:23] <JustASlacker> well, yeah
• 1698[13:22:27] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
• 1699[13:22:40] <JustASlacker> you can route to the closest provider
• 1700[13:23:01] <uptime> ZSky: replaced-url
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• 1702[13:23:34] <ZSky> JustASlacker: does this work nowadays?
• 1703[13:23:47] <JustASlacker> does what work?
• 1704[13:23:51] <ZSky> i.e. if I have just a domain name bought by a registrar
• 1705[13:24:09] <ZSky> example.com
• 1706[13:24:17] <ZSky> Let's say for the sake of example that I have 1000 friends who accept to serve my website example.com
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• 1708[13:24:28] <ZSky> how to configure things to route the requests to one of them?
• 1709[13:24:48] <ZSky> doesn't this require a single (centralized) server to do the dispatching to one of the 1000 IP ?
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• 1713[13:26:35] <FinalX> that really has nothing to do with debian or the purpose of this channel, though.. and you can't easily do that as each connection has their own network and can probably not be sharing Anycast. you'd have to use something like an authoritive DNS server that gives a different A-record based on the source of the request, for example. and make sure you sync all servers properly.
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• 1715[13:27:31] <JustASlacker> easy, give some money to cloudflare
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• 1717[13:28:26] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
• 1718[13:28:46] <JustASlacker> Set up a domain in less than 5 minutes. Keep your hosting provider. No code changes required
• 1719[13:29:03] <JustASlacker> they have a free plan for 0$
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• 1739[13:39:45] <ZSky> JustASlacker: but at the end, when you set an A-record (DNS) for example.com
• 1740[13:39:51] <ZSky> you finally enter 1 single IP
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• 1742[13:40:14] <ZSky> does this mean that by CloudFlare, there is 1 server that will handle the dispatching for one node of the CDN?
• 1743[13:40:38] <JustASlacker> first of all, you dont need to enter just one ip
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• 1745[13:41:46] <JustASlacker> second, you can have different route to those targets
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• 1747[13:42:02] <DJDan> how do i fix checking for pcap_open_live in -lpcap... no ; error: pcap library not found! error when compiling?
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• 1749[13:42:23] <bhaisaab> Hello, I need help in building a source tarball into a .deb file. How can I do this for this: replaced-url
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• 1751[13:42:43] <ZSky> JustASlacker: yes you can enter a few IP, but not 1000 for example
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• 1753[13:42:48] <bhaisaab> I want to build dnsmasq 2.6 (for wheezy) applying the recent google CVE fixes, can someone help?
• 1754[13:42:56] <ZSky> (let's say I want to reinvent the wheel and avoid cloudflare)
• 1755[13:43:04] <ZSky> (just to understand how things work inside)
• 1756[13:43:08] <JustASlacker> ZSky: start with replaced-url
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• 1758[13:45:11] <ZSky> Thanks
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• 1776[13:57:12] <DJDan> getting there... i think the path and toolchain is correct.... just having trouble with configuring... replaced-url
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• 1786[14:00:10] <tdn> Are there any options for running GFS2 with Debian Stretch?
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• 1796[14:04:12] <DJDan> how do i fix checking for pcap_open_live in -lpcap... no ; error: pcap library not found! error when compiling
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• 1798[14:05:08] <jelly-home> DJDan: install a package that provides libpcap-dev
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• 1800[14:05:50] <jelly-home> DJDan: you need -dev packages to build software from source
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• 1804[14:07:59] <DJDan> jelly-home: libpcap-dev is already the newest version (1.8.1-3).
• 1805[14:08:29] <jelly-home> ,v libpcap-dev
• 1806[14:08:30] <judd> Package: libpcap-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.0-1; jessie: 1.6.2-2; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 1.7.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie-backports: 1.8.1-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.1-3; buster: 1.8.1-4; sid: 1.8.1-5
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• 1808[14:09:02] <DJDan> jelly-home: i already have it installed. how do i fix the error
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• 1810[14:10:00] <jelly-home> DJDan: you probably need to instruct the build process where exactly to find the library. Pastebin the complete command you ran and full ouptut
• 1811[14:10:03] <jelly-home> !paste
• 1812[14:10:03] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 1813[14:10:25] <DJDan> jelly-home: replaced-url
• 1814[14:10:28] <jelly-home> DJDan: what are you trying to build?
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• 1818[14:11:18] <jelly-home> DJDan: looks like you're cross compiling.
• 1819[14:11:36] <jelly-home> you will need builds of pcap for the target arch, then
• 1820[14:11:39] <jelly-home> I guess
• 1821[14:11:44] <DJDan> yes reaver-wps-fork-t6x-master ... as per link.. im using LEDE SDK to cross compile from debian to mipsel
• 1822[14:11:58] <DJDan> how do i do that
• 1823[14:12:00] <jelly-home> then ask the LEDE SDK people how it's done
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• 1825[14:13:07] <jelly-home> DJDan: you will probably have to first cross-compile pcap for your target, and all the other missing build deps, then build this thing. No idea about details.
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• 1828[14:13:48] <DJDan> oh
• 1829[14:14:49] <DJDan> jelly-home: yeh just slowly getting through replaced-url
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• 1837[14:18:24] <DJDan> jelly-home: do i need to put the source of libpcap in to the main directory of what i am compiling? replaced-url
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• 1842[14:24:07] <jelly> DJDan: I have no idea how your cross-compiling toolchain is supposed to work, sorry
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• 1844[14:24:25] <jelly> ask the lede people?
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• 1857[14:29:56] <Psy-Q> is anyone perhaps working on a repo for the latest Mesa on debian stable?
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• 1863[14:32:18] <towo^work> Psy-Q, afaik impossible because of the rdepsnds of mesa
• 1864[14:32:38] <towo^work> *rdepends
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• 1867[14:33:32] <saulll> Hi, I have a multiboot with deb8 and deb9, each OS having its own /, its own /boot and both sharing the same /home partition. How can I make grub understand that I have 2 kernels on 2 different partitions?
• 1868[14:34:13] <Psy-Q> towo^work: ah, i see. thanks!
• 1869[14:34:47] <Psy-Q> i'm always considering going to an AMD graphics card but the lack of easy mesa you don't have to build yourself is holding me back
• 1870[14:35:13] <towo^work> Psy-Q, why not using sid?
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• 1885[14:42:55] <magaltavor> @help
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• 1887[14:43:49] <Psy-Q> towo^work: i could dual boot that maybe, yes. i want my main machine to be reliable so that's why i'm on stable usually
• 1888[14:43:55] <n4dir> Psy-Q: there was the Mepis community repos, i think the distro is now a community project, called MX (?). Might be some of them works on it.
• 1889[14:44:02] <awal1> magaltavor, call bombers if about fire
• 1890[14:44:35] <n4dir> at the Mepis forum there also was a sub-forum where you could ask for a certain package to be packaged.
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• 1894[14:46:38] <Psy-Q> thanks. it seems MX is still based on jessie
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• 1896[14:46:50] <Psy-Q> i'll see if they have something going on for stretch
• 1897[14:47:04] <Psy-Q> but if it's dual-booting it could also be ubuntu, i think there's a repo there for newest mesa
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• 1907[14:52:25] <saulll> how can I have dual booting with linux distros in such a way that one os does not delete the older kernel of the other distribution and still grub being able to detect both OS?
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• 1911[14:53:52] <petn-randall> saulll: You should only have grub installed in one of them, or they'll keep overwriting each other.
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• 1916[14:55:18] <jelly> petn-randall: things are cleaner with uefi, where one can pick which grub to boot from uefi boot menu
• 1917[14:55:39] <dgp> Can't you have grub in the MBR (or similar) and then use that to chainload grub for a distro in a partition from that partition?
• 1918[14:55:59] <saulll> petn-randall: its not grub itself that is making trouble, its more that grub-install from deb9 does not find deb8
• 1919[14:56:18] <saulll> and such the kernel gets removed
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• 1922[14:57:07] <dgp> the grub tools in one install would have to mount the other to work out what kernels are available so I don't think that's going to just work
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• 1924[14:57:32] <jelly> dgp: os-prober component makes that usually Just Work™
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• 1926[14:58:14] <saulll> In my deb9 sys I have created /debian8 and mounted deb8 and its boot (/debian8/boot).
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• 1928[14:58:37] <jelly> saulll: avoid having it mounted when you're running update-grub
• 1929[14:58:41] <saulll> maybe the issue is that grub-probe reports "unknown filesystem"`?
• 1930[14:59:14] <saulll> jelly: I have tried with mounted and without mounted other-boot-partition
• 1931[14:59:26] <jelly> leave it _not_ mounted, just run update-grub on the OS install that has latest grub, make sure os-prober is installed
• 1932[14:59:28] <n4dir> what is the filesystem?
• 1933[15:00:41] <saulll> ext4
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• 1937[15:01:09] <n4dir> odd. do as jelly said.
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• 1939[15:01:28] <saulll> jelly: If I dont have that mounted update-grub does not find the second boot partition
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• 1941[15:02:15] <jelly> that's probably a bug in os-prober
• 1942[15:02:23] <magaltavor> can anybody help why my debian is not generating cioredumps when apache process crash
• 1943[15:02:25] <magaltavor> please
• 1944[15:02:29] <magaltavor> ?
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• 1999[15:32:35] <magaltavor> petn-randall, added this in the apache2.conf - CoreDumpDirectory /var/cache/apache2/
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• 2003[15:34:11] <magaltavor> and installed the following packages apache2-dbg libapr1-dbg libaprutil1-dbg gdb
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• 2005[15:34:21] <magaltavor> then stop start apache
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• 2008[15:35:08] <magaltavor> petn-randall, all that based on /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.backtrace
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• 2026[15:45:04] <magaltavor> petn-randall, am doing anything wrong
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• 2086[16:10:04] <M0nk3y> Hi guys someone already see this error on firefox please ? SSL_ERROR_RX_UNEXPECTED_HELLO_REQUEST
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• 2089[16:11:06] <gpunk> M0nk3y: reload the page
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• 2091[16:11:53] <M0nk3y> gpunk thks but it's arrived frequently
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• 2093[16:12:33] <petn-randall> M0nk3y: What page are you trying to load?
• 2094[16:12:57] <gpunk> M0nk3y: is your clock on time ?
• 2095[16:13:00] <M0nk3y> My web server with a self signed certificate
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• 2097[16:13:17] <M0nk3y> Yes
• 2098[16:13:49] <babilen> M0nk3y: You might want to look at letsencrypt (easily done and automated renewals with dehydrated on Debian)
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• 2100[16:13:55] <babilen> judd: info dehydrated
• 2101[16:13:57] <judd> Package dehydrated (misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: ACME client implemented in Bash. Version: 0.3.1-3; Size: 69.9k; Installed: 143k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2105[16:15:06] <jelly> for what it's worth, jessie-backports package for dehydrated works on wheezy and even squeeze
• 2106[16:15:12] <M0nk3y> Ok thks guys
• 2107[16:15:19] <jelly> it's a shell script.
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• 2113[16:16:59] <petn-randall> M0nk3y: Without knowing the details, I'm guessing your web server and client have no TLS ciphers in common. Or it's not talking TLS on that port.
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• 2115[16:18:24] <babilen> M0nk3y: Something like replaced-url
• 2116[16:18:42] <tw> M0nk3y: TLS version is wrong. FF and the site you're trying to reach do not support any common TLS version or it isn't enabled in FF.
• 2117[16:18:58] <tw> You may have to turn on TLS 1.0 in firefox, or increase the level supported by nginx.
• 2118[16:19:04] <M0nk3y> I'm very bad with cipher connections but my web server listen on 443 port and i add it my self signed certificate and it work but sometimes this error appear
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• 2125[16:19:43] <babilen> M0nk3y: replaced-url
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• 2127[16:19:51] <M0nk3y> Ok thks i will see that tw and babilen
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• 2134[16:24:10] <babilen> M0nk3y: replaced-url
• 2135[16:24:48] <M0nk3y> babilen: Ok very thanks
• 2136[16:25:02] <babilen> Create /etc/dehydrated/conf.d/enable_hooks.sh with 'HOOK=/etc/dehydrated/hook.sh' (the script I pasted) to, well, enable hooks
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• 2138[16:25:19] <babilen> All you really need for that is a valid domain name
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• 2148[16:26:34] <porton> I want to suggest to Debian maintainers to create a new (empty, dependencies only) package. Where to write?
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• 2154[16:28:57] <n4dir> porton: might be that is what you are looking for, but i sure wouldn't bet: replaced-url
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• 2158[16:31:32] <dontknow> ,kernel
• 2159[16:31:33] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc3-686-pae (4.14~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-1); buster: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports:
• 2160[16:31:34] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
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• 2166[16:35:50] <dontknow> i use stretch backport kernel. but the version is "4.12.6-1~bpo9+1". the update came but it doesn't install. it keeps the linux-image-amd64
• 2167[16:36:06] <dontknow> what should i do?
• 2168[16:36:13] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2169[16:36:13] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2170[16:36:20] <petn-randall> dontknow: Can you provide the info above? ^^^
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• 2183[16:40:52] <jelly> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 2184[16:40:53] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9+80+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 4.12+85~bpo9+1; buster: 4.12+85; sid: 4.13+86
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• 2188[16:41:49] <dontknow> here is the information replaced-url
• 2189[16:41:58] <doverZ> hi all, anyone knows if ubiquity installer is compatible with debian stretch?
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• 2191[16:42:09] <dontknow> petn-randall, ^
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• 2197[16:44:56] <dontknow> jelly, ^
• 2198[16:45:01] <dontknow> so what do you say?
• 2199[16:45:14] <petn-randall> dontknow: What command are you using in 1)?
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• 2201[16:45:33] <petn-randall> !localized errors
• 2202[16:45:33] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 2204[16:45:37] <dontknow> petn-randall, apt-get upgrade
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• 2206[16:46:07] <petn-randall> dontknow: Can you provide the output of 'LC_ALL=C apt install linux-image-amd64'?
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• 2208[16:46:48] <dontknow> no
• 2209[16:47:09] <dontknow> can't you distinct pattern
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• 2213[16:48:43] <dontknow> apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 says; "installed: 4.12+84~bpo9+1", "candidate: 4.12+85~bpo9+1"
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• 2215[16:50:39] <erob> hi
• 2216[16:51:04] <erob> after upgrading openssh-client, i can no longer connect to a remote host with a public key
• 2217[16:51:16] <erob> ssh key_load_public no such file or directory
• 2218[16:51:20] <erob> ??
• 2219[16:52:11] <petn-randall> dontknow: I see that, but you want to find out *why* it doesn't upgrade.
• 2220[16:52:26] <petn-randall> dontknow: That's what 'LC_ALL=C apt install linux-image-amd64' is for.
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• 2223[16:54:13] <dontknow> petn-randall, when i use that command, it wants to install now
• 2224[16:54:20] <dontknow> should i install?
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• 2229[16:55:28] <petn-randall> dontknow: Say yes, it'll likely fail, and share the output with us.
• 2230[16:55:48] <dontknow> eh. i don't want to break my system
• 2231[16:55:55] <petn-randall> ...
• 2232[16:55:56] <dontknow> thanks anyway
• 2233[16:56:05] <dontknow> i can't risk it
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• 2235[16:56:17] <petn-randall> dontknow: It won't break your system, it'll fail due to unsatisfied deps and will give you a meaningful error message.
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• 2237[16:56:45] <dontknow> i will wait a couple of day
• 2238[16:56:52] <dontknow> maybe it will be fixed
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• 2241[16:57:04] <petn-randall> dontknow: Maybe, but you could find out right now.
• 2242[16:57:08] <BathBombBarry> Because things fix themselves around here
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• 2255[17:00:55] <dontknow> petn-randall, will it install backport?
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• 2260[17:02:57] <petn-randall> dontknow: It won't do anything, it'll give you an error that helps you understand why it fails.
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• 2267[17:05:21] <dontknow> ,kernel
• 2268[17:05:23] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc3-686-pae (4.14~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-1); buster: 4.12.0-2-686 (4.12.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports:
• 2269[17:05:24] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
• 2270[17:05:37] <dontknow> petn-randall, my kernel version is same
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• 2272[17:05:45] <dontknow> (stretch backport one)
• 2273[17:05:58] <petn-randall> ...
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• 2275[17:06:10] <dontknow> 4.12.13-1~bpo9+1
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• 2278[17:06:26] <petn-randall> dontknow: That's still irrelevant. If you don't want to run that apt command, fine by me, but you won't find out what the problem is.
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• 2280[17:06:33] <dontknow> ah sorry it is not
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• 2282[17:07:00] <dontknow> petn-randall, ok i will do. wait a sec
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• 2284[17:07:51] <dontknow> petn-randall, i did it and installed
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• 2288[17:08:38] <dontknow> petn-randall, if my system doesn't boot, wait for me
• 2289[17:08:39] <petn-randall> dontknow: Did you run 'apt update' between now and when the problem first showed up?
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• 2291[17:08:48] <dontknow> yes
• 2292[17:09:04] <dontknow> rebooting
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• 2294[17:09:16] <petn-randall> dontknow: Then it was likely just that the backports repo wasn't consistent for a moment.
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• 2309[17:16:16] <dontknow> petn-randall, it booted. but why is it installed that way? should i install it like that every time?
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• 2311[17:17:15] <petn-randall> dontknow: Then it was likely just that the backports repo wasn't consistent for a moment.
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• 2313[17:17:52] <dontknow> petn-randall, will it update by itself next time?
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• 2316[17:18:49] <petn-randall> dontknow: Likely linux-image-amd64 got into backports a little earlier than the package it depended on, which is why it didn't install the first time. You probably would have seen the cause if you had run the command I said in time, but now we'll never know.
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• 2318[17:19:11] <petn-randall> dontknow: If you still have linux-image-amd64 installed, it'll automatically update normally.
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• 2321[17:19:54] <dontknow> petn-randall, what did that command do
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• 2323[17:21:20] <dontknow> i should wait a little more. you ruined my system probably
• 2324[17:21:35] <dontknow> should have*
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• 2327[17:22:03] <petn-randall> dontknow: The same as 'apt upgrade' would do, but it would have given you a meaningful error message.
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• 2330[17:22:14] <petn-randall> dontknow: Very unlikely.
• 2331[17:22:30] <dontknow> i hope so
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• 2333[17:22:57] <petn-randall> dontknow: Well, if you don't believe me, read the man page to the option of apt.
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• 2391[17:51:32] <petn-randall> jelly: Partially, but then had to debate for ages if they should run 'apt install linux-image-amd64', and apparently did other things in between.
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• 2409[17:56:30] <Epx998> Anyone know where I can get the latest megaraid source?
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• 2414[17:58:26] <oerheks> replaced-url
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• 2416[18:00:44] <jelly> Epx998: why do you ask?
• 2417[18:00:59] <Epx998> because i'd like to DL and compile it
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• 2419[18:01:44] <jelly> the megaraid brand has been used for a wide range of products in different generations with different drivers
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• 2421[18:02:17] <jelly> Epx998: and which issue do you plan to solve or work around by compiling it?
• 2422[18:02:29] <Epx998> kernel module specifically is what im looking to build
• 2423[18:02:31] <petn-randall> !xy problem
• 2424[18:02:31] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 2425[18:02:54] <Epx998> updating my netboot initrd linuz to use the latest kernel avail for each release we use
• 2426[18:02:59] <jelly> Epx998: because usually the easiest thing to do is try a newer kernel, perhaps from the distro backports
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• 2428[18:03:56] <petn-randall> Epx998: I'd go with a backports kernel, as jelly said. There's no guarantee that the module from the master branch will compile against your current kernel headers.
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• 2430[18:04:34] <jelly> Epx998: are you sure you need the "megaraid" driver specifically? That shit is old and so are the pci-ids the driver binds
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• 2437[18:05:38] <Epx998> i have a fairly current driver, ill try that one
• 2438[18:05:50] <Epx998> it did compile against the kernel I a musnig
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• 2447[18:06:51] <jelly> in fact the driver version hasnot changed at all between 3.16 and 4.13-rc5
• 2448[18:07:14] * petn-randall gets out the crystal ball.
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• 2450[18:07:25] <jelly> looking at
• 2451[18:07:29] <jelly> modinfo /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko
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• 2453[18:07:34] <jelly> etc.
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• 2455[18:08:01] <jelly> Epx998: so which hardware are you actually targeting, what's the pci id?
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• 2458[18:08:12] <jelly> Epx998: and which debian release?
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• 2469[18:11:25] <magaltavor> petn-randall, still here
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• 2471[18:11:33] <magaltavor> anything you can recommend
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• 2485[18:18:40] <keith4> seeing a weird bug in sshd on Stretch. have a key in root's authorized keys file, restricted to a single host using the DNS name. logging in from that host, using this key pair, fails. sshd logs a message complaining that the host doesn't match, including the IP of the host. which is identical to the permitted host. replaced-url
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• 2488[18:19:04] <keith4> that is to say, the real IP is in both places in the log message, in place of 1.2.3.4
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• 2490[18:19:33] <keith4> (oh, and the identical setup on Jessie works as intended)
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• 2494[18:20:12] <kishmesh> does debian (9.1) provide a graphical package manager that a "novice" use can handle? about to reinstall a laptop for a friend, she was using Mint before (which eventually failed).
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• 2497[18:20:48] <keith4> kishmesh: synaptic?
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• 2499[18:21:06] <kishmesh> keith4: ok. i'm not a debian user myself :-)
• 2500[18:21:13] <kishmesh> just looking for something more stable than Mint
• 2501[18:21:27] <petn-randall> kishmesh: What was "unstable" about Mint?
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• 2503[18:21:52] <keith4> be aware that Debian doesn't have an non-free drivers out of the box, so to speak, so odd bits of hardware typically found in a laptop will not work without some additional effort
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• 2507[18:22:47] <kishmesh> petn-randall: in this case, her wireless lan failed, probably a driver problem.
• 2508[18:23:08] <kishmesh> keith4: good to know, thx
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• 2510[18:23:41] <dontknow> kishmesh, is laptop new?
• 2511[18:23:55] <petn-randall> kishmesh: That is unrelated to your DE, you likely just need to install the firmware.
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• 2518[18:24:38] <kishmesh> dontknow: no old lenovo laptop, I think E325 or something
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• 2523[18:25:43] <dontknow> but wireless was working and failed later?
• 2524[18:25:58] <kishmesh> dontknow: yes indeed
• 2525[18:26:12] <dontknow> there must be something else then
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• 2527[18:27:06] <kishmesh> like what?
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• 2529[18:27:40] <dontknow> i dunno
• 2530[18:28:07] <Toffe> Darn, anyone know how i can set up SUPHP like enviroment on my Debian 9
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• 2533[18:28:43] <apollo13> what is suphp and why would you want to have that?
• 2534[18:30:03] <jelly> Toffe: use php-fpm
• 2535[18:30:06] <Toffe> apollo13: Want PHP to be run as users
• 2536[18:30:17] * FinalX seconds jelly's comment: use FPM
• 2537[18:30:19] <apollo13> use php-fpm :)
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• 2539[18:30:33] <Toffe> just php-fpm? Google apache+php-fpm?
• 2540[18:30:37] <Toffe> Will try :)
• 2541[18:30:46] <jelly> apt-cache search php-fpm for a start
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• 2543[18:31:06] <FinalX> Toffe: FastCGI Process Manager; PHP keeps running as a seperate daemon with pools that can be run as specific users. It's much faster, flexible and efficient.
• 2544[18:31:20] <FinalX> well, it's php7.0-fpm in stretch
• 2545[18:31:23] <Toffe> FinalX but that requires configuring every user to php system?
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• 2549[18:31:59] <Toffe> currently my apache config is "wildcard" so every user can have a domain with the same username.. e.g. "/home/DOMAIN/public_html/SUBDOMAIN"
• 2550[18:32:03] <jelly> also, suphp does not exist in stretch any more at all so there's that
• 2551[18:32:06] <FinalX> Toffe: yes, but suphp, even though it does not require that specifically, can't be used properly with a recent Apache without defeating the purpose of many things of it.
• 2552[18:32:07] <Toffe> and i was hoping to not add to much more configuring
• 2553[18:32:33] <FinalX> FPM supports up to 10k pools or so before it crashes with an out of memory error, I've tried.
• 2554[18:32:40] <Toffe> Haha :D
• 2555[18:32:46] <FinalX> and unless you have a platform like me to worry about, you won't hit that :P
• 2556[18:32:52] <Toffe> but i have to create a pool for every user?
• 2557[18:33:06] <FinalX> every user you want to have its own php, yes.
• 2558[18:33:09] <Toffe> so a new config for every domain? =) must make a script if so
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• 2560[18:33:16] <jelly> oh no! A script!
• 2561[18:33:16] <FinalX> exactly
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• 2563[18:33:29] <Toffe> that i dont need with apache config i have
• 2564[18:33:42] <FinalX> you can make a template and copy it for every user, replacing the pool name with the username and use $pool in the username in the config
• 2565[18:33:44] <Toffe> replaced-url
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• 2567[18:34:08] <Toffe> maybe this is bad practive too? having only one site config :P
• 2568[18:34:15] <FinalX> cool thing is that per user/pool you can also specify if it needs to keep running permanently, or only be spawned when necessary, saving you RAM as well.
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• 2570[18:34:37] <jelly> Toffe: you could also replace apache with nginx while you're at it, eh!
• 2571[18:34:43] <Toffe> yeah i had nginx before
• 2572[18:34:59] <Toffe> but it was a hazzle to get it like that and apache is only 20 lines config :P
• 2573[18:35:03] <FinalX> nginx would make it a hell of a lot easier to use fpm per user ..
• 2574[18:35:07] <Toffe> ooh? :P
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• 2576[18:35:21] <Toffe> damn i deleted my "wildcard-vhost-config" for nginx :P
• 2577[18:35:36] <FinalX> you do realise that nginx is far more flexible and can do regular expressions and even named matches from said regexp?
• 2578[18:35:43] <jelly> that combo was easier to set up for me than apache, never got used to 2.4 syntax changes
• 2579[18:36:01] <Toffe> FinalX yeah but i suck at regexp :P
• 2580[18:36:06] <Toffe> but i am a master at *
• 2581[18:36:10] <Toffe> :P
• 2582[18:36:21] <jelly> I have a regex t-shirt and am available for hire!
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• 2585[18:36:43] <Toffe> Haha dont want to pay more for my hobby :P
• 2586[18:37:11] <fly_agaric> hello guys iam using libcurl for automatic file upload in a software but it wont work on my debian host
• 2587[18:37:20] <koollman> jelly: is there this replaced-url
• 2588[18:37:20] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
• 2589[18:37:21] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 2590[18:37:26] <petn-randall> fly_agaric: ^^^
• 2591[18:37:30] <jelly> the latter, koollman
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• 2593[18:38:07] <FinalX> Toffe: server { server_name ~(?<subdomain>.*)\.(?<domain>.*)\.(?<tld>.*); root /home/$domain/public_html/$subdomain; }
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• 2595[18:38:27] <fly_agaric> curl_easy_perform() failed: Couldn't resolve host name is the error message but it communicates via IP not DNS. any ideas? in the shell curl -F works for upload
• 2596[18:38:29] <jelly> koollman: I wonder if they updated the regex for RFC5322...
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• 2599[18:39:06] <koollman> jelly: it's already incomplete. It's a good example of why you do not want regex to parse a complex grammar
• 2600[18:39:06] <FinalX> Toffe: I think that ought to do it, won't help with hosts that don't have a subdomain (replaced-url
• 2601[18:39:17] <jelly> fly_agaric: did you try running strace on the process and see what it's doing
• 2602[18:39:25] <Toffe> FinalX i have a config moving non replaced-url
• 2603[18:39:29] <FinalX> Toffe: for more nginx help, there's a bunch of friendly people in #nginx
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• 2605[18:39:40] <Toffe> I'm reformatting now to install nginx instead
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• 2607[18:39:59] <Toffe> or.. more.. cp CleanDebian9.qcow2 -> webserver.qcow2 :P
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• 2609[18:40:06] <linoge> so, what's up with the python-x-whl packages? What's the whl thingy there? Wise Holy Light?
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• 2611[18:40:24] <at0m> Toffe: reformatting? this isn't Windows.
• 2612[18:40:28] <jelly> ,v python-x-whl
• 2613[18:40:30] <judd> No package named 'python-x-whl' was found in amd64.
• 2614[18:40:42] <linoge> ,v python-six-whl
• 2615[18:40:43] <judd> Package: python-six-whl on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.0-1
• 2616[18:40:53] <jelly> only in jessie, eh?
• 2617[18:41:02] <jelly> who knows
• 2618[18:41:03] <dondelelcaro> it's something something "PEP 427 wheel"
• 2619[18:41:12] <Toffe> at0m: well i am formatting the disk. Since i am setting up the disks over again ;P
• 2620[18:41:21] <dondelelcaro> something to do with running python packages in virtual environments
• 2621[18:41:27] <linoge> yup kinda weird, there are python-six as well, they only got installed when I invited python-virtualenv
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• 2625[18:41:53] <jelly> sounds like they managed to migrate off those in a single release
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• 2656[18:52:07] <ilCyx86_64> I've got a fresh slapd setup. A minute ago, I could run `ldapsearch -x` from the same machine and get a dump of everything, now I just get "result: 32 No such object
• 2657[18:52:09] <ilCyx86_64> ". Slapcat still returns expected results.
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• 2666[18:55:10] <Toffe> FinalX should i ask php-fpm to use tcp sockets is that better than socket?
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• 2668[18:55:26] <Toffe> guide says so but i dont know whats best.. :P
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• 2695[19:05:32] <fly_agaric> strace tells me that /etc/ld.so.nohwcap /etc/ld.so.preload /usr/local/sbin/sleep /usr/local/sbin/pushd /usr/local/sbin/popd bin/logger and hlds.27883.pid is missing
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• 2713[19:12:18] <Toffe> Woohoo :P (.*\.|replaced-url
• 2714[19:12:25] <Toffe> i am a expert.. at regexp.. not ;P
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• 2725[19:17:02] <jelly> Toffe: #regex channel can help if you're stuck
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• 2728[19:18:23] <jelly> fly_agaric: were you not interested in why the tool tried to do dns lookups of ip addresses and failed? Those things do not seem relevant
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• 2734[19:20:20] <fly_agaric> jelly: yes i want to know that but I cant see anything related to dns in the output file replaced-url
• 2735[19:20:24] <fly_agaric> can you see anything?
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• 2740[19:22:42] <jelly> fly_agaric: looks like a shell script, you'll want to add -f and maybe larger -s to strace, find out where the message is coming from, and look at what that process is doing before that
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• 2744[19:23:15] <jelly> expect lots of output from strace, ~megabytes
• 2745[19:23:57] <jelly> you can also tell it to output to file
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• 2804[19:55:21] <FinalX> Toffe: unix domain sockets are better and arguably faster, and more secure. tcp listening sockets are more easy to use without having to worry a lot about file system permissions (though you should, imo).
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• 2806[19:55:38] <Toffe> Aha keeping sockets =)
• 2807[19:55:58] <FinalX> Toffe: unix domain sockets have another advantage: you can use $pool (could be username!) in the filename of the socket. so in nginx you could map to /run/shm/php-fpm-$username.socket
• 2808[19:56:15] <FinalX> with port numbers you don't really know and would have to keep a (external) map
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• 2811[19:57:01] <FinalX> but i see you're in #nginx, let's keep it there as this is not really debian-related at all :)
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• 2820[20:02:33] <fly_agaric> how can i open 600M strace files?
• 2821[20:02:50] <apollo13> man ed
• 2822[20:02:51] <apollo13> :)
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• 2832[20:08:12] <masterkorp> What is the recomended way to install the AMD drivers?
• 2833[20:08:25] * abrotman thought they weren't needed anymore?
• 2834[20:08:33] <abrotman> masterkorp: did you install the firmware-radeon package?
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• 2836[20:09:02] <Ormu1> I got some Bluetooth errors during boot... I guess that's nothing serious? replaced-url
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• 2885[20:30:52] <daniel2> What is a good altnerative for aptly? I'm not really liking aptly but need to manage my own repo
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• 2891[20:33:02] <fly_agaric> how can I read strace files? its constantly bringing out too fast for my eye
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• 2893[20:33:18] <fly_agaric> and they are very big
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• 2899[20:34:40] <Brigo> fly_agaric, pipe the output to a file
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• 2901[20:34:49] <power> a
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• 2903[20:35:12] <fly_agaric> i did that but the file is very big and I dont know what to search there
• 2904[20:35:16] <fly_agaric> over 1000000 lines
• 2905[20:35:58] <koollman> fly_agaric: why are you looking into it ?
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• 2907[20:36:44] <Epx998> With the debian-installer, is there a d-i method for different sources, like instead of http, we use nfs?
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• 2909[20:36:48] <fly_agaric> a program should upload something via libcurl but it wont do instead it throws an error message curl_easy_perform() failed: Couldn't resolve host name
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• 2912[20:37:11] <fly_agaric> the problem is that the program uploads a file to an ip adress not hostname
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• 2932[20:46:20] <Brigo> fly_agaric, i can't see how strace can help with that.
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• 2934[20:46:39] <fly_agaric> what would you do?
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• 2943[20:50:20] <teraflops> fly_agaric: are you uploading the file to replaced-url
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• 2947[20:51:03] <fly_agaric> as en example 192.168.0.254:12360/upload
• 2948[20:51:09] <fly_agaric> *an
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• 2950[20:52:06] <teraflops> you can ping 192.168.0.254? is the 12360 port listening there?
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• 2953[20:52:45] <teraflops> if yes/yes and it is not doing https, idk what's going there
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• 2959[20:54:08] <teraflops> try setting a hostname in /etc/hosts for testing purposes but idk if doing such thing will fix your issue
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• 2961[20:55:18] <fly_agaric> the file upload is working from other hosts
• 2962[20:55:41] <fly_agaric> only from my servers its not working
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• 2965[20:56:32] <fly_agaric> the others are uploading to the same address 192.168.0.254:12360/upload where 192.168.0.254 is a fictive address in fact this is an wan ip
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• 2967[20:56:50] <teraflops> stop lying
• 2968[20:56:59] <teraflops> wan != lan
• 2969[20:57:11] <fly_agaric> its not 192.168.0.254 i just used it to hide the real wan ip
• 2970[20:57:27] <teraflops> 192.168.0.254 is not a wan ip either
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• 2972[20:57:34] <fly_agaric> I know
• 2973[20:57:57] <teraflops> we dont
• 2974[20:57:57] <fly_agaric> but as I said i dont upload to 192.168.0.254 its just a placeholder for a wan ip
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• 2977[20:58:35] <fly_agaric> i could also write 1.1.1.1:12360/upload if that makes you happier
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• 2982[20:59:05] <teraflops> you have to specify it is a wan ip from the very beginning
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• 2987[21:00:54] <Anthony87> hello, may I ask for help?
• 2988[21:00:58] <annadane> !ask to ask
• 2989[21:00:58] <dpkg> Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
• 2990[21:01:07] <teraflops> if you cannot reach the ip address/port from your command line e.g using telnet or whatever (so you avoid libcurl) go ask them I think
• 2991[21:01:07] <fly_agaric> a hostname is set in /etc/hostname srvupload1
• 2992[21:01:25] <Anthony87> well I would like to ask an irc related question
• 2993[21:01:38] <Anthony87> I don't know if it is appropriate
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• 2995[21:01:56] <annadane> Anthony87, well, ask the question and we can tell you whether or not it is
• 2996[21:02:07] <teraflops> #freenode looks like a good place too
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• 2998[21:02:23] <Anthony87> thank you
• 2999[21:02:46] <Anthony87> I would like to know if I can find an user from his mask.. let me explain
• 3000[21:02:55] <annadane> "irc question" for example might be "my hexchat is broken, all the fonts are disfigured" and seeing as how it's packaged for debian that means it isn't off topic here
• 3001[21:02:58] <Anthony87> I got a mask from the whois
• 3002[21:03:08] <annadane> oh, right, well, *that* is off topic here
• 3003[21:03:14] <Anthony87> that's it, ok.
• 3004[21:03:17] <Anthony87> I'm sorry.
• 3005[21:03:25] <teraflops> Anthony87: yeah #freenode looks like a better place for your question
• 3006[21:03:40] <Anthony87> thank you teraflops I'll go there
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• 3020[21:06:54] <teraflops> fly_agaric: when I say stop lying I wasn't calling you liar it's just if you omit such info you're not helping people to help you
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• 3029[21:12:48] <DJDan> does VBOX Debian support virtual PCIE wireless cards? For some reason i dont think its picking up the Wireless card Broadcom extension (Macbook Pro Mid 2010 17" Internal Airport Extreme BCM card)
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• 3037[21:15:32] <towo`> vbox does not support virtual wireless cards at all
• 3038[21:15:37] <zarzar> i'm getting a version mismatch when installing libxml2-utils-dbg
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• 3040[21:15:47] <towo`> no matter if it is the debian version or direct from oracle
• 3041[21:16:01] <fly_agaric> DJDan: install kvm
• 3042[21:16:09] <fly_agaric> it supports pci-e passthrough
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• 3048[21:18:06] <towo`> pci passthrough depends on VT-d, do macbooks support that technology?
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• 3053[21:20:32] <zarzar> i'm getting a version mismatch when installing libxml2-utils-dbg replaced-url
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• 3067[21:25:39] <towo`> zarzar, if libxml2-utils=2.9.4+dfsg1-4 is zo be installed, then you don't use stable
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• 3094[21:35:51] <ledufakademy> gf
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• 3101[21:38:00] <`Kevin> doesnt virtualbox support pci passthrough via vboxmanage pciattach ?
• 3102[21:38:18] <`Kevin> re: scrollback ^ but id also suggest kvm
• 3103[21:38:42] <zarzar> towo`: how do i use stable?
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• 3108[21:40:21] <towo`> zarzar, that is a question with no sense
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• 3110[21:40:36] <towo`> zarzar, do you know, what you are doing on your system?
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• 3112[21:41:00] <towo`> Kevin`, it does and even depends on VT-d
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• 3117[21:43:41] <zarzar> nope
• 3118[21:44:09] <towo`> zarzar, paste the output of apt policy
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• 3120[21:45:19] <zarzar> towo`: i ran apt-get remove libxml2, seems to be removing waaay too much
• 3121[21:45:23] <zarzar> :(
• 3122[21:46:25] <towo`> you should no do things, if you don't know anything
• 3123[21:46:41] <towo`> but it's your system, good luck
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• 3133[21:50:29] <zarzar> towo`: apt policy doesn't do anything
• 3134[21:50:35] <zarzar> invalid operation
• 3135[21:51:11] <towo`> try apt-get policy
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• 3137[21:51:30] <zarzar> nada
• 3138[21:51:43] <towo`> then you don't have debian
• 3139[21:51:49] <towo`> or debian based system
• 3140[21:52:01] <zarzar> towo`: i'm running debian based distro for beaglebone black
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• 3142[21:52:10] <zarzar> thoguht it was debian
• 3143[21:52:14] <zarzar> based
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• 3148[21:53:13] <towo`> if apt-get policy does not show anything, you do nat have any debian based system
• 3149[21:53:35] <towo`> or you have a totaly fucked system
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• 3151[21:54:35] <McErroneous> ##networking
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• 3153[21:55:19] <null_b0n3s> helli
• 3154[21:55:21] <null_b0n3s> helolo
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• 3156[21:56:31] <annadane> null_b0n3s, hi. do you have a question?
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• 3172[22:00:43] <Epx998> Is there a way to get the debian-installer to create a static ip network interface file using the info captured from dhcp?
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• 3192[22:12:15] <DammitJim> is it still the norm to allocate swap to be twice that of RAM?
• 3193[22:12:30] <koollman> no
• 3194[22:12:43] <koollman> there are machines with TB of ram
• 3195[22:12:49] <spacebug^> is there an easy way to run android apps in Debian? (since Anbox does not yet run on Debian)
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• 3199[22:14:55] <DammitJim> what is the norm, then?
• 3200[22:15:07] <DammitJim> or is there no such a thing these days?
• 3201[22:15:28] <koollman> DammitJim: there are many norms, now :)
• 3202[22:15:47] <koollman> I would say 'it depends but still have some swap'
• 3203[22:16:22] <towo`> suspend to disk depends on swap
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• 3205[22:17:11] <koollman> yep. And I wouldn't want to try suspend to disk with 1TB swap :)
• 3206[22:17:18] <towo`> and if there is enough ram, and s2d is not used, swap is not needed really
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• 3214[22:20:38] <koollman> DammitJim: replaced-url
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• 3218[22:21:27] <john_rambo> Hi, I am seeing a folder called ".luckybackup-snaphots" inside one of my folders in my home dir ..I have never used luckybackup ...Any ideas where this file came from ?
• 3219[22:21:39] <john_rambo> folder*
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• 3226[22:25:18] <annadane> john_rambo, you say "inside" one of your folders. which one?
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• 3228[22:25:51] <john_rambo> The folder in which I keep my KeepassX database
• 3229[22:25:56] <john_rambo> annadane, ^
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• 3255[22:34:25] <McErroneous> Hi, how do i disable network-manager in gnome asking for root passwd, everytime i want to change network configuration ?
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• 3258[22:35:48] <McErroneous> doing chmod 4764 "nm-connection-editor" did not work...
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• 3260[22:36:52] <McErroneous> that is setting uid...
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• 3273[22:44:48] <DammitJim> thanks koollman
• 3274[22:45:03] <DammitJim> for me to do headless stuff against a debian server
• 3275[22:45:10] <DammitJim> I just need the xserver-xorg package, right?
• 3276[22:45:15] <DammitJim> and do ssh -X for X forwarding?
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• 3281[22:47:13] <koollman> DammitJim: xserver-xorg on the side you want stuff to appear
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• 3284[22:48:57] <DammitJim> how about on the server one is connecting to that doesn't have a monitor?
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• 3287[22:49:51] <DammitJim> or is it X11-common?
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• 3294[22:53:34] <gunix> how were the files called that were left behind by apt when installing new software that changed config files? I think it was dpkg-new or dpkg-old or something like that
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• 3299[22:55:28] <koollman> DammitJim: x11-common is often needed but it would be a dependency of whatever you want to start
• 3300[22:56:16] <koollman> DammitJim: but the X server is not needed at all. just some application that will be the X client, connecting back to your (local) X server to display stuff on your monitor
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• 3302[22:56:46] <koollman> DammitJim: so whatever you run (maybe xclock or xeyes. my preferred remote x11 test :) )
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• 3305[22:58:50] <gunix> how can i see the postinst and preinst scripts of packages?
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• 3307[23:00:02] <towo`> gunix, read them in /var/lib/dpkg/info
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• 3315[23:02:35] <gunix> towo`: any way of doing that before installing the package?
• 3316[23:04:10] <annadane> it's probably in the source code tarballs under those titles...
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• 3319[23:04:30] <towo`> gunix, what are you trying to do?
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• 3321[23:04:48] <gunix> towo`: read the postinst script for apache2, out of curiosity
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• 3323[23:05:15] <Arone> Bonsoir
• 3324[23:05:51] <annadane> !fr
• 3325[23:05:52] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
• 3326[23:06:31] <towo`> gunix, and what do you expect from it?
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• 3328[23:06:59] <towo`> gunix, you could download the deb-file, extract it and read those scripts
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• 3330[23:08:50] <masterkorp> Hello, what is the recomended way on install the proprietary ATI drivers?
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• 3332[23:10:08] <Arone> LeL
• 3333[23:10:09] <Arone> my bad :D
• 3334[23:10:12] <Brigo> !fglrx
• 3335[23:10:12] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
• 3336[23:10:20] <Arone> i go the baguette :D
• 3337[23:10:33] <Brigo> masterkorp, the dkpg message is for you.
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• 3339[23:10:44] <towo`> there is no fglrx anymore
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• 3341[23:11:07] <towo`> and there is no propritary ati driver at all in debian nowdays
• 3342[23:11:12] <Brigo> then that message and the ati message are outdated.
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• 3375[23:27:38] <gunix> towo`: thank you for the advice!
• 3376[23:27:56] <gunix> towo`: how do i download the deb file? :D
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• 3378[23:28:31] <gunix> towo`: i think it's somewhere here: replaced-url
• 3379[23:28:35] <gunix> i feel like i am close
• 3380[23:28:38] <towo`> gunix, if you don't know that, you realy don't need to look in the postinst scripts
• 3381[23:29:18] <towo`> apt install devscripts; dget apache2
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• 3383[23:29:30] <gunix> towo`: that is offensive :D you can't judge me because i don't know that
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• 3389[23:32:44] <gunix> towo`: no need to install devscripts (extra 140 MB of packages). i found the scripts here: replaced-url
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• 3394[23:33:09] <frikinz> then here is even simpler: replaced-url
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• 3408[23:39:55] <gunix> towo`: thank you for the advice. i managed to open the archive and look around inside at postinst, preinst, postrm, config files. this is really cool
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• 3415[23:43:16] <gunix> frikinz: nice, thank you! i see there is src for everything on this website.
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• 3418[23:44:33] <gunix> frikinz: example, randomly searching for sources from random app: replaced-url
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• 3420[23:44:42] <gunix> i like this, thanks
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• 3425[23:49:10] <onlyjoke_> Sorry if this question is so mainstream, but does anyone knows how to install unetbootin (or something like that) in debian?
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