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• 3[00:00:45] <teo_> for now my graphics is very bad i have pixel lines on my screen and very low resulution to read
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• 5[00:01:15] <teo_> how can i see the log of xorg ?
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• 7[00:01:30] <jmcnaught> teo_: why are you using wheezy? It doesn't really have security support for desktop software anymore. It's two major releases and four years behind the current stable, stretch
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• 12[00:01:57] <teo_> because i have cnc machine and is the last version
• 13[00:02:13] <teo_> linuxcnc
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• 16[00:03:06] <jmcnaught> teo_: Oh, then you will need to get support in #linuxcnc. Other distros are off-topic in #debian
• 17[00:03:12] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell teo_ about based on debian
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• 24[00:04:20] <teo_> klys why you tell me to install linux-headers of amd64 ?
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• 26[00:04:36] <klys> teo_tel_ then use i386
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• 28[00:04:42] <owgi> teo_: sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 33[00:05:16] <owgi> teo_: the output of sudo dmesg would also be interesting
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• 35[00:05:22] <klys> teo_, you should install the ones most relevant to your architecture and intended kernel version
• 36[00:05:23] <jmcnaught> teo_: klys: owgi: could you please continue in the appropriate channel. Discussing derivatives and other distros adds to confusion here.
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• 38[00:05:55] <owgi> jmcnaught: ?? derivatives or other distros??
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• 41[00:06:24] <jmcnaught> owgi: teo_ is using something based on Debian, but not Debian, called LinuxCNC which has its own channel #linuxcnc
• 42[00:06:36] <qman__> teo_: they have packages for jessie and stretch, their documentation is just out of date -- replaced-url
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• 44[00:07:06] <owgi> jmcnaught: he is not in linuxcnc at the moment
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• 47[00:08:03] <jmcnaught> then why did they say there were just four minutes ago?
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• 50[00:09:05] <alyssa_> jmcnaught: can confirm, am super confused :p
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• 52[00:11:19] <qman__> if you read the documentation on the site (which is outdated), they offer both a rolled up copy of debian with linuxcnc on it, and instructions for adding linuxcnc to straight debian
• 53[00:11:39] <qman__> their rolled up copy is wheezy
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• 55[00:11:55] <qman__> and the documentation briefly mentions jessie and not stretch
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• 57[00:12:00] <qman__> but the packages exist on their repository
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• 60[00:12:52] <jmcnaught> ,v linux-image-rt-amd64
• 61[00:12:53] <judd> Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 4.11+82~bpo9+1
• 62[00:14:19] <jmcnaught> stretch also has a kernel with the preempt_rt realtime patch like wheezy did, so probably the best thing to do is install Debian 9, install the realtime kernel, then install the linuxcnc software (instead of messing with some wheezy based custom distro)
• 63[00:14:21] <qman__> technically a debian-based distribution but only the loosest sense, it's debian with 7 extra packages
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• 68[00:17:41] <JC_Denton> well, i solved part of my mystery. the eth0 system has a 99-default.link file and the other does not. but both are VMs :(
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• 87[00:24:58] <Qas> hello, I'd like to download selected links from a web page, but I couldn't find how I can do it with wget, and so far my trials have not succeeded. can you help me with this please?
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• 91[00:27:55] <amd_0x51> try #wget, Qas
• 92[00:28:20] <Qas> <amd_0x51> as I wrote, I did
• 93[00:28:42] <n4dir> he meant the IRC channel wget
• 94[00:28:49] <n4dir> or she, i don't know ...
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• 96[00:28:56] <amd_0x51> sorry, yes I meant the channel
• 97[00:28:57] <Qas> ah, thank you n4dir
• 98[00:29:15] <amd_0x51> but usually wget -c is enough right?
• 99[00:29:22] <amd_0x51> or man wget will give you all the answers
• 100[00:29:24] <Qas> <amd_0x51> sorry, thank you, didnt know they had a channel
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• 103[00:30:20] <Qas> <amd_0x51> what I'd like to do is not download 'all' links on the page. and I cant find a wget command to do this
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• 105[00:30:56] <Qas> I'd like to select a apart of the links, say, under "site.com/links/"
• 106[00:31:01] <Qas> a part of*
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• 109[00:31:26] <amd_0x51> you would just copy the link you want and wget (shift+ctrl+v)
• 110[00:31:27] <Qas> but wget with "site.com/links" gives me "not found"
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• 112[00:31:39] <n4dir> what is the main page you speak of, Qas ?
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• 114[00:31:57] <Qas> because site.com/links doesnt point to a page. it is just a directory with html pages under it
• 115[00:32:13] <Qas> or at least I think that's the reason
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• 122[00:36:20] <amd_0x51> it must have a url? just wget url-to-file-you-want
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• 125[00:37:09] <n4dir> Qas i am more than a bit over my head. Look if this may help: replaced-url
• 126[00:38:01] <teo_> how can i enable nouveau blacklist ?
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• 128[00:38:54] <Qas> the page has an url. but the page url will download everything if I just run 'wget replaced-url
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• 135[00:40:05] <n4dir> Qas my hope is like this: you use the above lynx command to get a list of all links. You grep for the ones which start with site.com/links. you use wget to download the results.
• 136[00:40:06] <Qas> i.e. my links are like 'site.com/links/page1, site.com/links/page2..' and so on
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• 143[00:41:36] <amd_0x51> --html-extensions?
• 144[00:41:45] <amd_0x51> I am just reading from man wget
• 145[00:42:02] <amd_0x51> saves files with .html ext
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• 151[00:43:38] <Cobalt> Hello. Does anyone know where I could get some help regarding encfs? My specific issue is migrating a .encfs5 stash to the newer .encfs6.xml stash. Preferably without having to manually mount the version 5 and creating a version 6 and copying everything across.
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• 156[00:44:40] <amd_0x51> and --no-links means it wont leave the directory your are downloading from. Maybe that helps, Qas
• 157[00:46:25] <Qas> n4dir, I am not familiar with grep, either. I think I will leave it here for now.
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• 159[00:46:32] <Qas> <amd_0x51> thank you so much, I will try
• 160[00:46:50] <Qas> n4dir, thank you for your help
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• 162[00:47:12] <amd_0x51> -F forces it to .html and can make it easier to find your specific htmls
• 163[00:47:35] <n4dir> try the lynx command anyway. if that gives a list/an array of the links you want to download, you can work with that Qas
• 164[00:47:38] <amd_0x51> I believe. manpages are very useful. ALways good to read them before running commands unsure of
• 165[00:47:48] <n4dir> besides the stufff mentioned by amd_0x51 of course .
• 166[00:48:09] <Qas> I never got a single help from man pages. I am too basic for them
• 167[00:48:24] <amd_0x51> they are very logical. JUst take your time
• 168[00:48:27] <n4dir> lol. i am with you there. In general i got hard times with them
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• 178[00:55:01] <Balbaroy> Nothin' like a good hard time with man pages ;)
• 179[00:55:20] <Balbaroy> Having an afternoon with em
• 180[00:55:36] <Balbaroy> I'm thinking about taking one to dinner tonight
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• 182[00:57:11] <amd_0x51> I'd prefer to just read them when I need them
• 183[00:57:16] <amd_0x51> but if you're into that..
• 184[00:57:54] <n4dir> funny manpages; once existed.
• 185[00:58:10] <eck> how can i reconfigure the exim4 postmaster? the first time i did "dpkg-reconfigure exmi4-config" it prompted me for the postmaster user, but now when i run it I'm no longer prompted
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• 187[00:59:34] <eck> hmm replaced-url
• 188[00:59:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 189[01:00:27] <Balbaroy> I come across more funny syntax error messages than man pages now aday
• 190[01:00:45] <amd_0x51> I still have sudo abuse me if I am lazy..
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• 222[01:15:25] <teo_> i have black screen hith the blinking cursor up left can someone help me ?
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• 224[01:16:19] <teo_> i cant get in graphics
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• 227[01:18:30] <Cobalt> Never mind. Going to mount and copy.
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• 264[01:39:44] <CaptHindsight> how do you permanently disable dpms in Wheezy?
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• 266[01:39:58] <CaptHindsight> replaced-url
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• 268[01:41:02] <CaptHindsight> replaced-url
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• 271[01:42:04] <uxfi> hey th0r /o
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• 273[01:43:01] <jmcnaught> CaptHindsight: did you try replaced-url
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• 276[01:44:27] <phogg> CaptHindsight: I don't know from GNOME, but can't you just use xset?
• 277[01:44:39] <CaptHindsight> dpms in xorg.0.log is always enabled no matter what I try
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• 279[01:44:56] <CaptHindsight> phogg: xset works for the current session only
• 280[01:45:19] <CaptHindsight> after reboot dpms is back to blanking the screen after 10 min
• 281[01:45:20] <phogg> CaptHindsight: so stick it in your startup path, problem solved
• 282[01:45:53] <phogg> a config file is just a script that executes at a certain point during start up, so configuring a setting / running a script is all the same.
• 283[01:46:16] <CaptHindsight> what is the startup path for Wheezy?
• 284[01:46:52] <phogg> CaptHindsight: you would need something that runs after X starts, so either xinitrc, xsession or some GNOME/your WM startup item.
• 285[01:47:02] <CaptHindsight> we modified X, xsession, xinitrc, xorg.conf.d as well
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• 287[01:47:06] <phogg> CaptHindsight: or maybe your ?dm, if you use a DM
• 288[01:47:06] <CaptHindsight> no luck
• 289[01:47:53] <CaptHindsight> using Wheezy since it's a Linuxcnc machine
• 290[01:48:07] <phogg> CaptHindsight: for me ~/.xinitrc runs my WM, so I just add xset to it before my exec line. But, I also don't do graphical login and just run startx every time... you just have to find the file your graphical login tool will source.
• 291[01:48:28] <CaptHindsight> don't have RTAI working well enough with the kernels in Jessie yet
• 292[01:49:34] <jmcnaught> there are preempt_rt kernels for stretch, the current stable release. Also if you're using the LinuxCNC wheezy based distro, you should get support in #linuxcnc instead of #debian
• 293[01:50:30] <CaptHindsight> we are using lightdm with PAM, so running X alone won't work (startx)
• 294[01:51:01] <CaptHindsight> jmcnaught: yeah, talking in #linuxcnc-devel as well
• 295[01:51:07] <rpw> I'm adding some kernel module options to /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf After reboot, the options are still set at default. Checked via systool
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• 297[01:52:26] <CaptHindsight> jmcnaught: LCNC doesn't modify Debian that much
• 298[01:52:42] <jmcnaught> !based on debian
• 299[01:52:43] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 300[01:53:04] <phogg> CaptHindsight: I am not familiar with how lightdm configures itself, but I'm sure if you check its config there will be a way to feed it a script to run during session start
• 301[01:53:22] <jmcnaught> CaptHindsight: ^^ also cross posting is discouraged, but for some reason linuxcnc users are pretty committed to not respecting #debian channel rules today…
• 302[01:53:28] <CaptHindsight> I had this working before but I didn't save the howto
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• 304[01:55:09] <CaptHindsight> phogg: thanks
• 305[01:55:20] <CaptHindsight> jmcnaught: have a nice day
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• 312[01:57:20] <rpw> Anyone know where I can start to debug why my module options are not being loaded
• 313[01:57:52] <locrian9> I'm running an ftp server 'vsftpd' on Ubuntu 14.04 and I'd like to sync up to a local NTP server on my LAN. What is the best ntp client to install to keep this ftp server in time?
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• 316[01:58:20] <jmcnaught> rpw: what are the options you are trying to use? You can look in the output of dmesg and journalctl, perhaps filtering with the name of the module
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• 318[01:58:51] <jmcnaught> locrian9: please get Ubuntu support in #ubuntu, it is not supported in #debian
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• 323[02:00:36] <phogg> locrian9: also stop using ftp
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• 329[02:02:20] <gartt> Yeah, FTP is a mess
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• 364[02:14:48] <ikla> what causes unknown switch -pthread
• 365[02:14:54] <maxcell_> If i remove firefox from Debian, it will ask me to remove a banch of packages that "aren't needed" anymore everytime i run apt-get?
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• 374[02:19:39] <tripkin> I have a friend that is running a Dell box with dual Xeon X5687 processors and 28GB RAM, Jessie 8.9. His system has an Nvidia GF100GL (Quadro 4000), and is running the Gnome DE. He leaves for work with two Chrome sessions running 49 tabs in one session and 27 running in the other. Sometimes when he comes home, his system is frozen forcing him to power off the computer so that he can use it again. What troubleshooting steps can I take
• 375[02:19:39] <tripkin> to help resolve the freezing?
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• 378[02:20:16] <tripkin> I am able to ssh in while the gui is frozen...
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• 384[02:23:27] <maxcell_> tripkin, i think the system frozen because it sleeps and frozen when wakeup, because of nvidia
• 385[02:23:59] <tripkin> maxcell_, that oddly enough makes sense. Do you know of any solutions to this?
• 386[02:24:27] <maxcell_> i found something in the web those days, in the nvidia dev chat
• 387[02:24:30] <abrotman> buy !nVidia ...
• 388[02:25:03] <maxcell_> maybe you can try another nvidia driver as well
• 389[02:25:08] <maxcell_> if there is one
• 390[02:25:09] <tripkin> abrotman, thanks! I use ATI without probs
• 391[02:25:11] <maxcell_> for quadro
• 392[02:25:53] <abrotman> tripkin: sorry, I know that's "obvious", but your choices are limited
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• 394[02:26:16] <tripkin> Thanks maxcell_ I am looking for other driver solutions. I think he is using the nouveau drivers atm.
• 395[02:26:41] <maxcell_> tripkin, take a look on google, the information you looking for is in a nvidia dev site
• 396[02:26:44] <tripkin> abrotman, I took the advice in that spirit!
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• 400[02:27:08] <tripkin> maxcell_, I am looking for that right now.
• 401[02:27:18] <abrotman> could also disable power management for a day or two, see if that helps
• 402[02:27:19] <maxcell_> tripkin, some guy said he workaround the problem using a gtx 1060
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• 404[02:27:40] <tripkin> ok, thanks
• 405[02:27:58] <klys> the gtx 1xxx are all locked down in their firmware
• 406[02:28:02] <tripkin> abrotman, I think that is what I am going to do for the interim.
• 407[02:28:30] <klys> the gtx 960 I have, has alternative firmware eg. for overclocking
• 408[02:28:32] <maxcell_> i think that if you CTRL+ALT+F3 to go to a new TTY, your system can wakeup without crash but i'm not sure.
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• 410[02:29:31] <klys> users of the gtx 1xxx have to buy a "hobbyist's license" from nvidia if they want patches.
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• 413[02:30:06] <tripkin> maxcell_, that does not work - keyboard is completely unresponsive.
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• 415[02:30:13] <maxcell_> tripkin, hmm
• 416[02:30:15] <tripkin> klys, that is simply retarded.
• 417[02:30:20] <tripkin> Thanks for the info
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• 419[02:30:55] <maxcell_> klys, you can do it the hard way tho
• 420[02:31:03] <maxcell_> klys, modify a bios and put it to your card
• 421[02:31:11] <maxcell_> so it will work no matter what
• 422[02:31:28] <maxcell_> haha, i wish a know how to do that myself
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• 424[02:31:39] <klys> maxcell_ here is the link I was reading, replaced-url
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• 433[02:34:44] <maxcell_> klys, so you are trying to flashing a new bios to your card?
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• 436[02:35:16] <klys> maxcell_, i might in the future
• 437[02:35:29] <maxcell_> klys, you can loose warranty tho
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• 439[02:35:52] <klys> i bought it over a year ago, I wonder what warranty it could have
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• 441[02:36:08] <maxcell_> idk, my evga has 3 years
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• 443[02:36:24] <klys> yeah mine's an evga also
• 444[02:36:31] <maxcell_> so it has 3 years
• 445[02:37:00] <maxcell_> before you change the bios, save you'r default one, to use if you need warranty one day
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• 447[02:37:06] <klys> yeah
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• 449[02:37:19] <klys> I think most people are moving to radeon anyway
• 450[02:37:32] <maxcell_> vega?
• 451[02:37:40] <klys> right
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• 454[02:37:54] <maxcell_> i heard vega is working good with oopensource driver
• 455[02:38:20] <klys> except you might not get a dvi-i connector if you buy the wrong card
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• 457[02:38:44] <maxcell_> i only use hdmi anyway
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• 459[02:39:04] <klys> and I think kms is still only changing resolutions at boot time and at xorg initialization
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• 461[02:39:22] <klys> eg. fbset doesn't seem to work with kms cards.
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• 463[02:39:53] <maxcell_> i think my nvidia is like that
• 464[02:39:58] <maxcell_> i'm using prop. drivers
• 465[02:40:08] <klys> yeah and intel is like that too
• 466[02:41:25] <maxcell_> hey, if i remove firefox from my debian 9.1 apt-get will bothers me telling me that is a lot of packages that "aren't in use" that i should deleted as well?
• 467[02:42:04] <klys> maxcell_, try reading some of the descriptions with $ apt-cache show packagename
• 468[02:42:05] <garuda15> Try autoremove
• 469[02:42:21] <maxcell_> if i autoremove it will remove all the packages that "aren't needed"
• 470[02:42:24] <maxcell_> but they are!
• 471[02:42:44] <klys> there is a tool called deborphan that will show you a list of libs not in use
• 472[02:43:10] <maxcell_> i don't think you understand
• 473[02:43:17] <maxcell_> let me explain
• 474[02:43:32] <maxcell_> i had XFCE here before i reinstall debian
• 475[02:44:19] <maxcell_> i remove a xfce package called, xfce'something' it was a cd-dvd creator. like brasero.
• 476[02:44:30] <gabrielc> maxcell: check apt-get autoremove
• 477[02:44:38] <maxcell_> when i did that
• 478[02:44:58] <maxcell_> apt-get wants to autoremove every xfce program in the computer
• 479[02:45:20] <maxcell_> so if i run apt-get autoremove it would uninstall all xfce apps that comes with xfce4
• 480[02:45:22] <klys> deborphan is safe, it doesn't uninstall or install, it only lists packages.
• 481[02:45:45] <klys> nor*
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• 484[02:46:34] <maxcell_> but the cd-dvd creator from XFCE, doesn't really need the other Apps to work, wasn't dependencies, but i think they were part of the same meta-package. So when i uninstall this particular program, debian wants to uninstall everything related to this particular meta-package
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• 486[02:47:41] <maxcell_> so i'm asking you, if i delete firefox from my debian9/kde, the apt-get will bothers me to uninstall everything i don't want to everytime i run the apt-get on the console?
• 487[02:48:31] <klys> right, I think firefox and iceweasel are meta-packages.
• 488[02:49:08] <maxcell_> part of meta-packages?
• 489[02:49:14] <maxcell_> when you install debian?
• 490[02:49:27] <klys> you know, something that you can get with tasksel
• 491[02:49:28] <maxcell_> that's what i want to know
• 492[02:49:42] <maxcell_> yes
• 493[02:49:55] <maxcell_> so i can't remove it?
• 494[02:50:26] <klys> you just don't want to, I gather
• 495[02:51:31] <maxcell_> when i delete this particular xfce program, the apt-get doesn't leave me alone. So i reinstall this little app. And the apt-get wont leave me alone anyway anymore. So i just reinstall debian from scratch.
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• 497[02:52:12] <maxcell_> so i don't want to remove firefox without knowing if it will cause that problem again
• 498[02:52:45] <klys> I don't know. Perhaps it would be advisable to ask someone if they think it's a bug, I mean the behavior that you are experiencing.
• 499[02:53:05] <maxcell_> apt-get have their issues
• 500[02:53:11] <maxcell_> nothing new
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• 502[02:53:53] <maxcell_> all we need is someone that knows how to pass throught this problems
• 503[02:54:02] <maxcell_> certainly not me
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• 519[03:06:09] <jaami> why after install debain cannot boot? it show a black screen with a cursor and do nothing
• 520[03:06:46] <klys> jaami, most likely a problem with grub's stage1
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• 522[03:06:58] <jaami> is there any debain iso that when installed do not ask any question?
• 523[03:07:05] <klys> jaami, are you using uefi or mbr?
• 524[03:07:16] <jaami> yes, grub i hate
• 525[03:07:29] <klys> you could try grub4dos even
• 526[03:07:32] <jaami> i am using vbox
• 527[03:07:45] <klys> oh
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• 530[03:08:31] <jaami> why it ask me question about grub?
• 531[03:08:44] <klys> vbox uses mbr, and grub is the boot menu
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• 534[03:09:14] <jaami> and it ask about grub in the end of installation,
• 535[03:09:27] <klys> yes, to make sure you can boot your kernel
• 536[03:10:04] <jaami> yes, but what to do to get rid of installation successfully?
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• 538[03:10:24] <klys> you just want to delete the partition?
• 539[03:10:26] <Mordain> !dban
• 540[03:10:26] <dpkg> Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. replaced-url
• 541[03:10:52] <jaami> i need nothing on the partition, i can delete whole vm
• 542[03:11:12] <jaami> all i need is completed debian setup
• 543[03:11:16] <klys> you could try a grub2 rescue iso
• 544[03:11:26] <jaami> oh
• 545[03:11:40] <jaami> please give me something easy to do
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• 547[03:12:02] <jaami> really, i hate grub
• 548[03:12:04] <klys> replaced-url
• 549[03:12:13] <jaami> oh
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• 551[03:12:33] <klys> boot that way and install the lilo package or the extlinux package and it will replace grub2.
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• 555[03:13:08] <jaami> i can try
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• 562[03:18:45] <Mordain> can i write a non-kernel program that acts as a /dev/x, like say /dev/dsp that i can pipe data into and that program will process the data ?
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• 568[03:19:14] <klys> mordain, man mkfifo
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• 573[03:20:34] <Mordain> thanks
• 574[03:20:47] <klys> :)
• 575[03:20:52] <maxcell_> klys, if firefox is part of tasksel, i can't remove it without having apt-get issues telling me to remove everything else?
• 576[03:21:16] <klys> maxcell_, do you have a task package for xfce?
• 577[03:21:29] <maxcell_> klys, i only install kde this time.
• 578[03:21:40] <maxcell_> klys, only have installed
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• 580[03:21:53] <klys> I think there is a task package, most assuredly, for kde
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• 582[03:22:10] <maxcell_> yes, it is, so?
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• 586[03:22:26] <maxcell_> you saying if i uninstall the tasksel kde i can then uninstall firefox?
• 587[03:22:33] <klys> so it wouldn't upset you to uninstall it and see, and then reinstall it?
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• 591[03:23:27] <maxcell_> you are saying that i should run tasksel, remove 'kde' and then uninstall firefox?
• 592[03:23:43] <klys> well, you can do what you like
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• 594[03:24:02] <Mordain> why not just apt-get remove firefox ?
• 595[03:24:10] <klys> ok thrn try that
• 596[03:24:13] <klys> then*
• 597[03:24:39] <maxcell_> klys, i don't think i'm following you
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• 599[03:24:45] <maxcell_> klys, little confuse here sorry
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• 601[03:25:13] <klys> maxcell_, you were thinking of removing a task package for firefox
• 602[03:25:22] <maxcell_> Mordain, i think that if i uninstall firefox, apt-get will bothers me forever telling me to uninstall every single program that was installed by default in debian/kde installation.
• 603[03:25:35] <Mordain> i cant imagine anything REQUIRES firefox
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• 606[03:26:05] <maxcell_> klys, i was thinking of removing the task-kde thing, and then remove firefox, because i think that could be the "meta-package" that firefox are from.
• 607[03:26:24] <klys> maxcell_ oh then that's different
• 608[03:26:27] <maxcell_> Mordain, can you take the risk for me?
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• 610[03:26:45] <maxcell_> Mordain, uninstall firefox and tell me if apt-get will bother you :D
• 611[03:26:51] <Mordain> im on raspberry and using it default chromium
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• 614[03:27:01] <maxcell_> =(
• 615[03:27:34] <Mordain> its not much of a risk
• 616[03:28:10] <maxcell_> Mordain, i would agree with you but, i uninstall a single default app from xfce before, and apt-get wont leave me alone forever
• 617[03:29:11] <Mordain> apt-get check
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• 619[03:29:25] <maxcell_> what it does?
• 620[03:29:58] <Mordain> apt-get help
• 621[03:30:03] <maxcell_> i see
• 622[03:30:06] <maxcell_> yeah i did that
• 623[03:30:10] <maxcell_> dependencies
• 624[03:30:39] <Mordain> apt-get -f
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• 626[03:30:57] <klys> maxcell_ like this? replaced-url
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• 628[03:32:18] <maxcell_> klys, like this but instead of libs, were actually programs. But good news, i remove firefox, and apt-get wasn't bothering me @_@
• 629[03:32:37] <Mordain> yay bravery
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• 632[03:33:30] <maxcell_> hehe
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• 680[04:04:49] <maxcell_> there is a way to increase mouse sensitivity in linux? I've removed mouse acceleration in "xorg.conf" (means i've created a 50-mouse-acceleration.conf in /usr/share/x11/xorg).
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• 722[04:28:20] <CaptHindsight> the DPMS issue in Wheezy was fixed in a newer version of the xfce4-power-manger
• 723[04:28:27] <CaptHindsight> thanks again for trying!
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• 732[04:35:02] <Shinobi> test
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• 734[04:35:13] <bazhang> try #test
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• 736[04:35:47] <mrchaotica> My new motherboard has Realtek ALC1220 audio and Phoronix says that support for it was added in the 4.11 kernel. After apt-get upgrade, my Stretch install has kernel 4.9.0-3-amd64. Does this mean I need to either switch to Buster or manually install a kernel to get my sound to work?
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• 738[04:36:28] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
• 739[04:36:29] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc5-686 (4.13~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports:
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• 741[04:36:31] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
• 742[04:36:58] <jmcnaught> mrchaotica: stretch-backports has 4.11 replaced-url
• 743[04:37:16] <mrchaotica> awesome, thanks!
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• 746[04:37:36] <jmcnaught> mrchaotica: note that you don't need to use the ftp.debian.org mirror in those instructions, the same mirror you're already using should be fine.
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• 755[04:43:15] <maxcell_> backports repo has contrib and non-free as well?
• 756[04:43:46] <jmcnaught> yeah
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• 762[04:46:47] <mrchaotica> I installed the linux-image-amd64 from stretch-backports. I need to reboot to reload the kernel, right?
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• 764[04:48:03] <maxcell_> yes
• 765[04:48:35] <mrchaotica> ok, thanks and goodbye!
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• 777[04:56:41] <mrchaotica> Hmm... I'm now running kernel 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and my ALC1220 sound still doesn't work : (
• 778[04:56:51] <Apteryx> Hello! I'm trying to reinstall grub2 in a chroot... But it says: "cp: cannot stat 'usr/share/grub/default/grub': No such file or directory
• 779[04:57:01] <mrchaotica> What do I try next?
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• 792[05:04:51] <dvs> mrchaotica, firmware-nonfree from backports?
• 793[05:05:32] <mrchaotica> hmm... that's an idea I haven't tried yet
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• 800[05:11:03] <mrchaotica> dvs: firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version (20161130-3)
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• 879[06:18:34] <klys> apteryx, dpkg -l grub2-common
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• 890[06:24:56] <zmyrgel> I've got problem with stretch that it won't boot on latest kernel
• 891[06:25:44] <zmyrgel> I've got full disk encryption with luks and it seems the newer initramfs doesn't contain crypto stuff for some reason
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• 904[06:30:31] <niceGuy> hi, zmyrgel. what is the file system used?
• 905[06:30:32] <iodev> how do I install a cross toolchain on debian 9?
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• 909[06:32:52] <wb7odyFred> let me look at emdebian.org to follow what you are saying. iodev. Is your cross toolchain for a different CPU like ARM?
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• 916[06:34:51] <zmyrgel> niceGuy: ext4
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• 921[06:35:48] <iodev> wb7odyFred: yes
• 922[06:35:53] <iodev> you use it for osdev
• 923[06:36:25] <iodev> the normal gcc thinks it's compiling for linux, I need something that will compile a kernel (not linux)
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• 925[06:37:05] <zmyrgel> I'd quess the apt has overwritten cryptsetup configs in initramfs for some reason so it won't generate newer initramfs's with support for encryption
• 926[06:37:50] <zmyrgel> though I don't have a clue yet configs should be present so cryptsetup etc. are included in initramfs
• 927[06:38:15] <zmyrgel> I used the debian installer to setup the encryption initially and haven't touched the initramfs/crypto stuff since
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• 938[06:46:27] <niceGuy> @zmyrgel, it seems a colapse. i recommend to try a new install and so you set another kernel version during installation. You can search a solution or report the problem to debian bugzilla - replaced-url
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• 993[07:25:56] <vlt> To force inclusion of LUKS support you can run `CRYPTSETUP=Y update-initramfs ...`. Recent Debian versions seem to need a correct line in /etc/crypttab to do this automatically.
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• 1008[07:34:44] <pragomer> just wanted to try "onlyoffice" under stretch, I get this error:
• 1009[07:34:46] <pragomer> This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb"
• 1010[07:34:50] <pragomer> in "".
• 1011[07:34:52] <pragomer> any ideas?
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• 1019[07:39:02] <aloo_shu> vlt try higlight zmyrgel, it was 50mins
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• 1023[07:40:48] <vlt> aloo_shu: I haven’t because I think they have left.
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• 1030[07:43:52] <aloo_shu> well, if he'd be around, he'd have noticed now..
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• 1076[08:09:32] <Taosim> can someone introduce me the articles about how to make local disk debian to livecd iso?
• 1077[08:09:52] <Taosim> or any related urls
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• 1085[08:13:53] <nvz> I got a debian jessie amd64 box running on a core2duo that seems to be having issues where its booting into a root recovery console. When I was there I did a "systemctl default" and got it to load the DE and tried several reboots and shutdowns and everything seemed to be working fine, now they're telling me its back to this root recovery console and journalctl is not revealing any explaination as to why the
• 1086[08:13:59] <nvz> system wont boot normally
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• 1089[08:15:34] <nvz> its now saying "try again to boot into default mode" when doing the systemctl default
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• 1133[08:38:35] <nvz> idk fwiw I think it was doing this due to a line I added in fstab for a usb hdd and for whatever reason the hdd was failing to mount and this was causing it to boot to emergency mode which if I confim this, it would be a bug I suppose because this was a totally non-essential filesystem
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• 1135[08:39:34] <nvz> because after I had my father commend out the mount for the passport drive and the bind mount for one of the directories on the passport drive it seems to be working again now. That was the only error in journalctl and I ignored it because I thought it couldnt possibly have anything to do with a system failing to boot normally
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• 1138[08:41:41] <nvz> in any case I'm going back to bed, and nobody seems awake here anyhow, perhpas we can discuss this another time and I'll look into possibly filing a bug against systemd because unless this is something else I am doing wrong with systemd, a non-root fs mounting to /media/ should not cause a system to boot to an emergency mode when it fails
• 1139[08:41:41] <password2> quick question , Can I setup my network interfaces to both have a static IP and be a DHCP Client?
• 1140[08:41:51] <password2> i know i can setup two static IPS
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• 1142[08:42:25] <nvz> password2: no, you cannot that I know of, you'd either just set it up statically outside the DHCP pool, or you'd configure the router to issue a "Static" via dhcp
• 1143[08:42:44] <password2> urg
• 1144[08:43:08] <nvz> most routers support issuing static ips via dhcp, and failing that you can set your dhcp for 100-199 or such and then use statics 2-99 and 200-254
• 1145[08:43:10] <password2> the two IPs is on different network adresses
• 1146[08:43:50] <nvz> password2: nobody other than me seems to be active on here right now and I'm going to bed, try ##networking they are pretty helpful in my experience
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• 1168[08:53:43] <fosstux> Hi! On a server with froxlor I now get the following message when restarting proftpd: proftpd[27276]: mod_tls/2.4.3: compiled using OpenSSL version 'OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013' headers, but linked to OpenSSL version 'OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016' library
• 1169[08:53:50] <fosstux> What am I doing wrong?
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• 1173[08:56:42] <jelly> fosstux: a) there's nothing wrong there, it's just an informational message b) what's froxlor
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• 1189[09:05:25] <ajbone> hello, im having trouble setting up a remote desktop/vnc on a local network, ive read all the documentation i can find but am still unsure of which packages i need. the server is debian kde with no monitor, the client a laptop also with debian kde. if anyone can suggest the packages they think i would need im happy to read the documentation myself, any help much appreciated, thanks.
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• 1202[09:14:35] <Trap-Chan> K. I may just be an idiot...and seeing as how google doesn't seem to have information I'm guessing that's the case but for some reason apt-get thinks the install CD is the only valid repo. What step did I miss?
• 1203[09:15:31] <petemc> Trap-Chan: /etc/apt/sources.list defines where apt looks for packages
• 1204[09:15:52] <Trap-Chan> so i edit that? k just gotta find a list of repositories then.
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• 1207[09:16:18] <Trap-Chan> but shouldn't there be a main repo preconfigured like with raspian and ubuntu?
• 1208[09:16:31] <password2> Trap-Chan: it may just be commented out
• 1209[09:16:41] <password2> how did you install debian?
• 1210[09:16:49] <Trap-Chan> cd
• 1211[09:17:32] <password2> ok paste your contents of sources.list somewhere
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• 1217[09:19:38] <Trap-Chan> working on it. my debian machine has a handheld keyboard so it's a bit slow since i'm not a textin teeny bopper. :P
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• 1219[09:20:42] <Trap-Chan> weird firefox cant access the net...i'm guessing i missed a step on configuring that.
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• 1229[09:28:04] <mender27> Morning :).
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• 1236[09:31:58] <Trap-Chan> man this reboot is taking quite some time...
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• 1240[09:32:27] <eck> never reboot
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• 1244[09:33:01] <Trap-Chan> i assume that a 10 min reboot is a sign that something is very wrong with my install?
• 1245[09:34:10] <jelly> is it stuck before actual reboot or after
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• 1249[09:34:46] <mender27> Trap-Chan: yeah, where does it get stuck specifically?
• 1250[09:35:08] <mender27> Long waits like that sound to me like a systemd service is hanging and waiting for a timeout :P.
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• 1254[09:36:56] <Trap-Chan> not sure. the screens already gone off. it was a bunch of halt requests that seemed to be doing it though.
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• 1256[09:38:21] <Trap-Chan> I wonder how many of these errors are because i didn't tell it to update using the net when prompted because i didn't have a way to connect the device at that moment.
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• 1260[09:39:20] <klys> installation media should give you grub and at least one kernel.
• 1261[09:39:27] <mender27> Maybe try to tail dmesg before the reboot or have a look at journalctl.
• 1262[09:39:56] <mender27> And a base system up and running.
• 1263[09:40:38] <Trap-Chan> ohh hey the reboot worked i'm now on google. even though i ended up cold booting it.
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• 1266[09:41:49] <Trap-Chan> is there a language that i should pick for sources.list?
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• 1268[09:43:57] <petemc> urls are not language specific
• 1269[09:43:58] <ksk> Trap-Chan: packages / sources.list is not language dependent.
• 1270[09:44:02] <Trap-Chan> password32, pastebin.com/g1XthNun
• 1271[09:44:07] <ksk> *specific is the better word :)
• 1272[09:44:20] <petemc> dependant works well :)
• 1273[09:44:28] <Trap-Chan> petemc i meant for context highlighting. :P
• 1274[09:45:11] <Trap-Chan> just went with bash. seemed like it'd atleast hit the comments which is everythign but one line anyway. :P
• 1275[09:46:04] <ksk> Trap-Chan: my vim says "syntax=debsources"
• 1276[09:46:18] <ksk> but that might not be stock debian config.
• 1277[09:46:31] <Trap-Chan> ksk does pastebin have an option for that? i'll hafta look.
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• 1279[09:46:42] <ksk> we dont like "Pastebin" in here. I dont know
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• 1281[09:47:01] <Trap-Chan> ohh. sorry, was told to paste somewhere so did the first one i found.
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• 1283[09:47:29] <ksk> paste.debian.net does not seem to have it, but I dont really think its needed anyway. the syntax is kind of simple
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• 1286[09:48:10] <afidegnum> hello, i my server is locked, i can't do anything, how can i correct this settings? i m trying to install proxmox on bridged mode replaced-url
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• 1289[09:49:05] <ksk> afidegnum: what does locked mean?
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• 1291[09:49:11] <ksk> !tell afidegnum about based on debian
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• 1294[09:49:22] <ksk> We dont support Proxmox in here, sorry.
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• 1297[09:49:54] <Trap-Chan> hrm. uncommented lines 17 and 18 thinking that would do it and commented the cd line update fetched 88.5 k but still can't install kodi. >.<
• 1298[09:50:15] <rotaticus> Trap-Chan: try systemd-analyze blame to find reasons for 10m boot
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• 1310[09:53:35] <Trap-Chan> how do i tell if i have jessie or stretch? when installing i thought i had jessie but my sources.list is talking like i have sources and apparently that affects which repo i should use.
• 1311[09:53:53] <Trap-Chan> talking like i have stretch*
• 1312[09:54:00] <jelly> !debian suite
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• 1314[09:54:01] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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• 1318[09:55:24] <Trap-Chan> k first command gave me 9.1 *off to google that*
• 1319[09:55:25] <jelly> installed versions of dpkg, apt, libc6, are also a good clue
• 1320[09:56:59] <Trap-Chan> this is very odd since i swear i downloaded the stable iso not the dev one.
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• 1327[10:00:06] <Trap-Chan> odd. added the backports repo and it still can't find kodi. >.<
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• 1329[10:00:25] <jelly> ,v kodi
• 1330[10:00:26] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+2; stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-3; buster: 2:17.3+dfsg1-2; sid: 2:17.3+dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; stretch-multimedia: 5:17.3-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 5:17.3-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:17.3-dmo2
• 1331[10:00:56] <jelly> no need to add any backports if it's available in stretch by default
• 1332[10:01:03] <jelly> !bat
• 1333[10:01:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1334[10:01:06] <jelly> Trap-Chan: ^^
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• 1338[10:02:49] <Trap-Chan> localized errors? also not sure what apt-cache policy is.
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• 1344[10:03:52] <jelly> localized errors
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• 1346[10:03:55] <jelly> !localized errors
• 1347[10:03:55] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 1351[10:06:43] <jelly> apt-cache policy is a command in step 3) and part of the command in step 2)
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• 1353[10:07:24] <Trap-Chan> paste.debian.net/hidden/0c9b6896
• 1354[10:08:07] <Trap-Chan> my language and locale are both english FWIW. :P
• 1355[10:08:12] <jelly> Trap-Chan: you seem to be completely missing any repos other than stretch-backports
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• 1357[10:08:26] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 1358[10:08:26] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1360[10:08:42] <Trap-Chan> should have stretch updates too.
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• 1363[10:10:35] <Trap-Chan> k does order matter?
• 1364[10:12:11] <jelly> not really, it matters only when there's an identical package version in multiple configured repos
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• 1368[10:12:56] <jelly> putting the main mirror in front on security makes sense because there're a lot more main mirrors than security ones
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• 1370[10:13:59] <jelly> so I guess it matters a bit
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• 1374[10:15:40] <Trap-Chan> oo. much bigger fetch this time.
• 1375[10:15:48] <Trap-Chan> 12.9 meg
• 1376[10:16:09] <Trap-Chan> and finally found kodi. thanx much guys.
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• 1378[10:16:34] <Trap-Chan> off to figure out how to set up the family account to autologin so my daughter can use the htpc too. :P
• 1379[10:17:03] <jelly> maybe
• 1380[10:17:06] <jelly> !nodm
• 1381[10:17:06] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 1382[10:17:17] <jelly> that last one
• 1383[10:17:21] <jelly> ,info nodm
• 1384[10:17:22] <judd> Package nodm (misc, extra) in stretch/amd64: automatic display manager. Version: 0.13-1.3; Size: 44.5k; Installed: 117k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1385[10:17:23] <Trap-Chan> every time i search a question about debian my results all concern ubuntu. is this normal?
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• 1390[10:18:48] <rjsalts> Trap-Chan: I think that given their relative popularity it is
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• 1392[10:18:49] <jelly> if by "normal" you mean "expected" and "median state of search results" then yes
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• 1394[10:19:46] <rjsalts> Trap-Chan: and ubuntu is a direct descendant of debian
• 1395[10:19:53] <Trap-Chan> i'd expect the inclusion of "debian" in my search terms to narrow it down a bit. :P unless debian gets mentioned in every convo concerning ubuntu. :P
• 1396[10:20:11] <Trap-Chan> ahh that descent thing could explain it coming up alot then. :P
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• 1399[10:21:07] <Trap-Chan> wow. i didn't even add debian to "auto loggin xfce" and it gave me a debian result.
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• 1401[10:21:11] <bullshitman> bullshit
• 1402[10:21:24] <bullshitman> bullshit bullshit bullshit. all things are bullshit
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• 1404[10:22:26] <rjsalts> Trap-Chan: I'd say it's probably also to do with the search engines "helping" by conflating the two terms as they're often mentioned with words that are pretty similar (e.g. network, kernel, boot, etc.)
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• 1416[10:25:17] <Trap-Chan> i was very mistaken to think that stock raspian would be 99% the same as stock debian. :P I'm having to do alot more of the legwork to get the conveniences i've gotten used to.
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• 1431[10:32:11] <hexnewbie> ‘No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]’ Is there a way to disable the deadman switch and make aptitude retry while I go to lunch?
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• 1453[10:44:07] <Trap-Chan> wow. after doing everything i went to reboot and it was instant on the shutdown side...
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• 1477[10:58:07] <jelly> hexnewbie: the stupid way could be to yes | aptitude ...
• 1478[10:58:21] <babilen> Wouldn't that also accept any solution?
• 1479[10:58:27] <jelly> yes
• 1480[10:58:34] <jelly> I mean, y
• 1481[10:58:47] <babilen> I've rarely (ever?) seen aptitude find a solution in these cases and I had to "break the tie" in another way
• 1482[10:58:52] <babilen> :-þ
• 1483[10:59:14] <jelly> feel free to (echo n; echo r 2; echo a 3; yes) | aptitude :-)
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• 1488[11:01:21] * jelly has seen a well placed heavy object on the R key do wonders back when floppies were the main distribution method
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• 1490[11:02:07] <jelly> aptitude's dependency resolution prompt reminds me of that Abort, Retry, Fail? _
• 1491[11:02:22] <hexnewbie> babilen: I'm kind of hopeful, because it found one yesterday (but I interrupted the package download, and now it doesn't)
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• 1523[11:19:59] <bullshitman> hi
• 1524[11:20:54] <bullshitman> !ops jelly is a jerk
• 1525[11:20:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bullshitman complains about: jelly is a jerk
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• 1530[11:22:31] <Trap-Chan> wow thats clever, spam, get banned, get unbanned i guess? complain about ban...do some people just want to be banned?
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• 1533[11:24:57] <Haohmaru> some people are dead inside
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• 1535[11:26:50] <cami||e> Hi
• 1536[11:27:52] <Trap-Chan> aaaaaaaaaaand the wiki lied to me. said that to access samba shares i just had to install a certain package (did it) then put smb://[computer name]/ into firefox. firefox used it to search...
• 1537[11:28:15] <Haohmaru> why firefox?
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• 1544[11:29:26] <Haohmaru> i use samba shares with the file manager (pcmanfm)
• 1545[11:29:36] <Haohmaru> a bunch of other filemanagers can do it too
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• 1547[11:31:16] <Trap-Chan> dunno i searched "how to access samba shares on debian" and was told to do that.
• 1548[11:31:22] <Haohmaru> it works in firefox-esr too, for me .. smb:/// shows "WORKGROUP"
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• 1553[11:33:55] <Trap-Chan> smb:/// searched for me as well.
• 1554[11:34:21] <Trap-Chan> do i need to config cifs-utils or something first?
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• 1557[11:34:41] <themill> I doubt you want to use it through the browser in any case
• 1558[11:35:21] <smlb> morning all, i'm installing debian 9.1 (i386, netinstall) and it doesn't recognize any mirrors
• 1559[11:35:53] <crazyb0y> smlb: do you have internet access?
• 1560[11:35:56] <Trap-Chan> wow. the kodi dev team really doesn't like debian it seems.
• 1561[11:36:05] <smlb> crazyb0y: aye, net is working
• 1562[11:36:14] <crazyb0y> smlb: try to ping one of the mirrors
• 1563[11:36:27] <themill> smlb: 'recognise' means what?
• 1564[11:36:44] <smlb> basically the InRelease file is not valid, according to the logs
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• 1566[11:37:08] <themill> !show sources.list smlb
• 1567[11:37:08] <dpkg> smlb: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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• 1575[11:42:22] <smlb> got a NOSPLIT error while updating now
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• 1577[11:43:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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• 1596[11:56:04] <jeee> Hi. What happens if a stable package has a security update which is potentially multiple versions ahead?
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• 1599[11:57:19] <hiya> Where is the default dhparams file in Debian located?
• 1600[11:57:38] <hiya> if we have not mentioned a specific file to a server using TLS for example?
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• 1602[11:58:04] <mender27> BluesKaj: hello!
• 1603[11:58:54] <vlt> jeee: Afaik, it will be handled by the security team. For example, by backporting only the security related patch to the old version.
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• 1605[12:00:01] <BluesKaj> Hi mender27
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• 1614[12:02:51] <Iridos> hexnewbie, what was the command you ran
• 1615[12:03:48] <Iridos> Trap-Chan, I heard a lot of people just use the rapian kernel, but use stock debian for the packages (no idea how they do the switch, though)
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• 1618[12:04:40] <jeee> vlt: might there be cases where this isn't possible? and if so does debian release an unstable package, or would they perhaps deprecate the package?
• 1619[12:04:42] <Trap-Chan> Iridos, how would that even work? raspian kernel is gonna be arm specific, no?
• 1620[12:04:52] <Iridos> well, so?
• 1621[12:05:05] <Iridos> debian repos have an armel branch
• 1622[12:05:27] <Trap-Chan> well like if you try to install it on your amd/ibm computer it's not gonna run, is it?
• 1623[12:05:58] <Iridos> I thought you're talking about a pie
• 1624[12:06:12] <Iridos> eat a better pie ^^
• 1625[12:06:18] <vlt> jeee: I don't know. Can you name a specific example?
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• 1628[12:07:06] <Iridos> jeee, there have been cases when stable sees a version bumb on a package because of security issues
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• 1630[12:07:56] <jeee> vlt: nope, was just wondering :) Iridos: do you have any examples?
• 1631[12:07:56] <Trap-Chan> lolz i am used to raspian on the pi and was just opining/musing about how different the setup experience is with stock debian. :P no stock: auto login, sudo, repos, nopass. :P atleast not for me.
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• 1633[12:08:46] <Iridos> openssh on one of those fancy new named bugs
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• 1636[12:09:10] <themill> jeee: firefox, chromium, vlc, mysql, django
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• 1640[12:10:06] <jeee> Iridos themill: thanks :)
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• 1649[12:16:12] <Iridos> oh… well, that raspian stuff is all stuff I wouldn't want…
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• 1665[12:27:05] <BluesKaj> I have raspbian stretch on a rpi3 here, and it works well... moving the / dir to a usb stick or hdd saves the scard from too many life killing writes.
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• 1667[12:27:32] <BluesKaj> sdcard
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• 1712[12:52:16] <jim> hi CastelRune
• 1713[12:52:22] <CastelRune> Hi
• 1714[12:52:28] <CastelRune> May you explain my problem ?
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• 1729[12:53:53] <jim> ok... booted a debian 910 netinstall for amd64, and it's not detecting his drive because it's in some sort of raid mode... we're at the raid configuration menu now... what can he try
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• 1741[12:54:49] <CastelRune> Ive got an alienware 15 R3
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• 1771[12:58:39] <hexnewbie> б,ксш
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• 1773[12:59:01] <hexnewbie> I'm sorry, wrong keyboard layout :)
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• 1777[12:59:37] <gpunk> you russian spy ! (lol)
• 1778[12:59:47] <jim> CastelRune, one sec
• 1779[12:59:53] <CastelRune> Hi gpunk
• 1780[12:59:57] <gpunk> :)
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• 1782[13:00:02] <CastelRune> Again with my problem
• 1783[13:00:14] <gpunk> which one ?
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• 1793[13:00:18] <CastelRune> Windows
• 1794[13:00:21] <CastelRune> Reinstalling it
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• 1796[13:00:29] <jelly> !ask
• 1797[13:00:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1798[13:00:36] <CastelRune> It might be dangerous for my PC
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• 1801[13:00:44] <gpunk> ok , disk controler in ahci mode ?
• 1802[13:00:45] <CastelRune> Heat
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• 1820[13:00:57] <CastelRune> Currently raid
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• 1827[13:01:17] <gpunk> why? kali wont see them like that
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• 1852[13:01:39] <CastelRune> It seems raid is regulating heat
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• 1868[13:01:52] <CastelRune> And switching to ahci would possibly damage my pc
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• 1871[13:01:57] <gpunk> you mean in ahci mode, you overheat ?
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• 1876[13:02:06] <gpunk> senseless :)
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• 1880[13:02:21] <CastelRune> Talk to oiaohm
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• 1883[13:02:24] <CastelRune> He told me that
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• 1885[13:02:29] <CastelRune> Go on ##linux
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• 1887[13:02:34] <gpunk> i am in there
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• 1901[13:02:59] <CastelRune> Oiaohm says that
• 1902[13:02:59] <CastelRune> Idk what to do
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• 1905[13:03:07] <CastelRune> My pc is whole new I don't want to damage it
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• 1908[13:03:17] <jelly> CastelRune: um, what does this have to do with Debian?
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• 1914[13:03:22] <gpunk> it s B.S. that cant be :)
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• 1923[13:03:45] <CastelRune> jelly : Debian installation does not detect my hd
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• 1925[13:03:58] <CastelRune> And there is something to do with raid
• 1926[13:04:11] <CastelRune> And there is a raid configuration section
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• 1928[13:04:18] <CastelRune> What should I do with it ?
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• 1932[13:04:44] <jelly> CastelRune: if your system is new and already prone to overheating, you have more issues than just being unable to install debian
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• 1934[13:04:48] <gpunk> did you try to boot a linux in ahci mode ?
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• 1954[13:05:36] <CastelRune> jelly : Someone told me that by switching in ahci and reinstalling windows it would make debian and other distros see my disks
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• 1965[13:05:53] <CastelRune> But that it wouldn't anymore regulate the hzat
• 1966[13:05:55] <CastelRune> Heat
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• 1976[13:06:18] <gpunk> CastelRune: the heat issue is untrue to me
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• 1988[13:06:38] <jelly> CastelRune: I have no idea how this "regulate heat" has anything to do with sata controller configuration (raid vs. ahci mode)
• 1989[13:06:38] <CastelRune> gpunk : Talk in ##linux to oiaohm then
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• 1991[13:06:55] <gpunk> i am there i said , are you ?
• 1992[13:07:09] <CastelRune> Yeah
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• 1994[13:07:15] <CastelRune> Ask him the question then
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• 1996[13:07:22] <jelly> CastelRune: perhaps it's a mainboard or chipset-specific bug
• 1997[13:07:22] <CastelRune> I don't know who to believe
• 1998[13:07:27] <jim> do you want to take it out of raid mode?
• 1999[13:07:33] <jelly> (but it's a weird one, then)
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• 2001[13:07:43] <gpunk> it s a FakeRaid rom
• 2002[13:07:51] <gpunk> known issue in linux
• 2003[13:07:57] <jelly> CastelRune: have you experienced overheating on this system, thus far?
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• 2005[13:08:06] <jelly> gpunk: where is it "known"?
• 2006[13:08:07] <CastelRune> I just want linux distros to detect my hdd, that's all
• 2007[13:08:12] <CastelRune> No jelly
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• 2009[13:08:33] <gpunk> jelly: in the net ... i dont have the links off hand, but you can look it up
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• 2011[13:08:57] <jelly> eh, if I could look it up I wouldn't ask for a ref.
• 2012[13:09:22] <gpunk> geezus :p
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• 2014[13:09:38] <jelly> CastelRune: switch to AHCI temporarily, install debian or whatever, verify it boots, switch back to raid and see if it still works
• 2015[13:09:59] <CastelRune> Jelly : Do I need to reinstall windows ?
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• 2020[13:10:30] <jelly> CastelRune: no idea
• 2021[13:10:44] <CastelRune> Gpunk ?
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• 2023[13:10:57] <jelly> Try It And See
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• 2025[13:11:09] <gpunk> what ?
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• 2029[13:11:18] <gpunk> he said as we said yesteday :)
• 2030[13:11:24] <jelly> CastelRune: have or make a backup of your windows installation, esp. if it's OEM
• 2031[13:11:40] <CastelRune> Ok.
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• 2033[13:11:48] <CastelRune> Ill buy an external hd tomorrow
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• 2040[13:12:39] <jim> CastelRune does your motherboard have external sata ports?
• 2041[13:12:57] * jelly still does not see what any of this has to do with Debian
• 2042[13:13:10] <cruncher> CastelRune, sure you dont need to install windows first to be able to install debian afterwards.. dont believe such a thing. But maybe you understood it wrong, and he told you to better install windows first, then debian (for dual boot)
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• 2044[13:13:29] <jim> well debian netinstall boots on it, but won't see the drive
• 2045[13:13:30] <gpunk> yes he wants dualboot
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• 2047[13:13:48] <cruncher> anyway, if you dont need raid function, and liek you say all you want to do is debian recognize your hd, then do like jelly suggested, and switch to ahci mode in bios
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• 2050[13:14:40] <cruncher> and if its overheating, it has nothing to do with windows nor debian, but hardware. But thats another topic which doesnt belogn to #debian
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• 2055[13:15:19] <CastelRune> Cruncher : To switch in ahci do i need to reinstall win then ?
• 2056[13:15:28] <cruncher> CastelRune, no
• 2057[13:15:41] <cruncher> you should carefully read what people have told you
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• 2059[13:15:51] <cruncher> i start doubting someone told you that
• 2060[13:16:05] <CastelRune> Didn't you tell me that gpunk ?
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• 2062[13:16:19] <gpunk> we tald him, if he brakes the raid, windows will have to be reinstalled
• 2063[13:16:29] <jelly> CastelRune: you may need to reinstall _if_ you end up leaving the confing in AHCI mode.
• 2064[13:16:35] <gpunk> yes
• 2065[13:16:39] <gpunk> that it is
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• 2067[13:16:48] <jelly> if you go back to raid mode, windows _probably_ ought to be fine
• 2068[13:16:48] <cruncher> gpunk, this isnt windows support, but that sentence is not even completely true
• 2069[13:17:09] <CastelRune> Okay, so I ought to make a save
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• 2072[13:17:24] <jelly> and linux can probably be coerced to use the controller even when it's in raid mode, somehow
• 2073[13:17:27] <gpunk> if you go back , we said if he keeps it in ahci , cause he will need linux on it
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• 2075[13:18:13] <CastelRune> Gpunk what about you have a french real name ? :o
• 2076[13:18:35] <gpunk> it is rémi , and you ?
• 2077[13:18:49] <CastelRune> Nathan
• 2078[13:18:56] <CastelRune> But why do u have a french name lol
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• 2081[13:19:09] <gpunk> because i am french lol
• 2082[13:19:23] <chrisa> Emacs' gnuserv is broken on stretch for me. Any idea? There's not even any bug report, can anyone confirm they've got it running or not?
• 2083[13:19:53] <gpunk> i found an issue in my debian too , jessie
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• 2085[13:20:09] <gpunk> mod_cgi is not enabled after instaloling awstats
• 2086[13:20:13] <gpunk> i had to do it manually
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• 2088[13:20:25] <CastelRune> Tu m'avais pas dit que t'étais français :o
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• 2090[13:20:36] <gpunk> bein si hier !
• 2091[13:20:36] <jelly> !fr
• 2092[13:20:37] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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• 2094[13:20:45] <cruncher> !chat
• 2095[13:20:45] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 2096[13:20:53] <jelly> cruncher: merci
• 2097[13:21:11] <gpunk> i have one, about awstats
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• 2100[13:22:29] <jim> so I don;t know where to go from here... if he takes the raid off (I guess in the bios?) he'd have to reinstall everything that's on the drive currently unless he backs up
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• 2102[13:22:38] <b0b> CastelRune: someone in linux gave you this link: ##replaced-url
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• 2104[13:23:35] <OS-31358> hi guys, anyone has issues with the kali vm vmware tools, I cant seem to be able to make it fit the guest screen
• 2105[13:23:38] <jelly> gpunk: you didn't really ask a question, software does not often tampers with configuration of other software in Debian. It's normal to have to configure some things manually, esp. if there are multiple incompatible setups available
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• 2107[13:24:39] <gpunk> so ti is normal , ok . but it would be nice to have a Notice somewhere .
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• 2109[13:24:57] <gpunk> it took me a while the first time to find it out
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• 2114[13:29:24] <jelly> gpunk: usually there's a README.Debian.gz under /usr/share/doc/packagename/
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• 2119[13:30:08] <jelly> !readme.debian
• 2120[13:30:09] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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• 2131[13:37:56] <Shinobi> I'm trying to connect to a network printer. It says the printer service isn't running. Any ideas? Why would it not be running?
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• 2135[13:39:09] <crazyb0y> Shinobi: service cups start
• 2136[13:39:51] <Shinobi> crazyb0y: service not found. Would it not come in the standard install?
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• 2138[13:40:29] <crazyb0y> Shinobi: apt-get install cups
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• 2141[13:40:49] <Shinobi> Just wondering what happened...
• 2142[13:41:24] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day :D
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• 2144[13:41:58] <chrisa> Alright, SystemD I guess: how do I make it that cupsd is not started on boot? All links /etc/rc*/*cups* are of the K kind, and in fact I also removed the x permissions from /etc/init.d/cups*, but that's not how things are working any more. It still gets started.
• 2145[13:42:09] <chrisa> What is the magic I need nowadays?
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• 2148[13:42:48] <jelly> chrisa: when do you want it to start?
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• 2153[13:43:05] <chrisa> When I "service cups start" manually.
• 2154[13:43:35] <chrisa> I rarely use it hence want it to be off by default. Security, you know, that piece is swiss cheese.
• 2155[13:43:43] <jelly> chrisa: service disable cups ?
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• 2157[13:43:44] <marieso> I'm running debian stable, and my computer freezes sometimes when running memory heavy programs. How can I debug this issue?
• 2158[13:44:01] <chrisa> jelly, yes, but I don't want to start it at boot.
• 2159[13:44:08] <chrisa> ah disable ?
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• 2162[13:44:27] <Iridos> what's your issue with cupsd security
• 2163[13:44:45] <jelly> chrisa: sorry, service cups disable (I _think_ that gets to run systemctl disable cups)
• 2164[13:44:47] <chrisa> cups is about the linux package with the most vulnerabilities
• 2165[13:44:57] <abrotman> that's not true
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• 2168[13:45:18] <jelly> chrisa: all the evil apps on your system will be able to attack its localhost:631 socket!!!1
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• 2171[13:45:31] <Iridos> yeah, that was my point
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• 2174[13:45:44] <chrisa> jelly, yes, including web browsers for example
• 2175[13:45:44] <jelly> mustn't have that /s
• 2176[13:45:47] <Iridos> you probably have hundreds of local users who can try to exploit it…
• 2177[13:45:52] <Shinobi> Do I have to add printers as root?
• 2178[13:46:09] <Shinobi> The printers desktop utility doesn't seem to work
• 2179[13:46:31] <Shinobi> nevermind.... i need coffee
• 2180[13:46:37] <chrisa> It's possible to open a socket to localhost through javascript.
• 2181[13:46:47] <chrisa> There was a story half a year ago about that.
• 2182[13:46:53] <Iridos> you need to be root to run "service" and you also need to login as root when you connect to cupsd on localhost:631 … not sure what you're trying to do
• 2183[13:46:58] <jelly> chrisa: if your level of paranoia about browsers is such, you probably want to run them in an isolated VM as well, and that means not Debian but Tails or whatnot
• 2184[13:47:15] <jelly> cubes? qubes? FIIK
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• 2190[13:48:05] <chrisa> Level of paranoia?
• 2191[13:49:47] <chrisa> replaced-url
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• 2194[13:50:55] <chrisa> Also, even if you don't consider browsers, giving up on security via user separation is not security in depth.
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• 2198[13:52:02] <chrisa> Now please don't tell me I'm wrong wanting cups to be off, tell me how I do it with SystemD.
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• 2200[13:52:05] <chrisa> # service cups disable
• 2201[13:52:05] <chrisa> Usage: /etc/init.d/cups {start|stop|restart|force-reload|status}
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• 2203[13:52:30] <jelly> ah, so service doesn't translate _all_ commands as-is
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• 2207[13:52:52] <jelly> chrisa: which debian release is this?
• 2208[13:52:58] <chrisa> stretch
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• 2213[13:55:03] <rpd_> chrisa: replaced-url
• 2214[13:55:34] <jelly> cups seems to gets started by printer.target, and printer.target is both a system and a per-user-session unit aparently
• 2215[13:55:34] <gpunk> I upgraded one of my debians recently from jessie to strech,
• 2216[13:55:51] <jelly> chrisa: do you have a /etc/systemd/system/printer.target.wants/cups.service symlink?
• 2217[13:55:56] <gpunk> I noticed the w/who and last command shows IP instead of hostnames
• 2218[13:56:10] <gpunk> is that normal ?
• 2219[13:56:28] <Shinobi> I have 3 printers coming up at my printer's IP address. Is there a way to tell which one is the right one? None are the model of my printer. JetDirect, LPD, XP-430
• 2220[13:57:01] <Shinobi> LPD = Linux Printer Driver?
• 2221[13:57:15] <gpunk> linux printing deamon
• 2222[13:57:17] <jelly> Shinobi: both jetdirect and lpd are basically protocols
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• 2224[13:58:01] <gpunk> jetdirect should work
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• 2226[13:58:04] <jelly> Shinobi: your network printer, then, appears to be compatible with those protocols
• 2227[13:58:20] <jelly> No idea about that last one, XP-430
• 2228[13:58:23] <Shinobi> Any reason to choose one over another?
• 2229[13:58:52] <jelly> pick the first one unless you know better
• 2230[13:59:07] <Shinobi> sounds like a reasonable gamble :)
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• 2233[13:59:36] <gpunk> I think JetDirect is more versatily than lpd ...
• 2234[13:59:37] <jelly> (even if they seem to be sorted alphabetically and not by any preference ;-)
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• 2236[13:59:45] <dob1> hi, I created the keys for ssh auth with a custom name, let's say foo_rsa. I have created in .ssh a file named config with Host ip IdentifyFile /home/user/.ssh/foo_rsa but when i try ssh-copy-id user@ip it says "/usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found"
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• 2239[14:00:23] <jelly> dob1: IdentifyFile <- typo, IdentityFile ?
• 2240[14:00:25] <gpunk> any idea about my question ? w/who/last
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• 2242[14:00:55] <jelly> dob1: ssh-copy-id script takes -i nowadays I think
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• 2250[14:04:42] <dob1> jelly, thanks there was a typo, and with a custom name of the key , yes I have to use -i
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• 2253[14:05:40] <jelly> (but only for ssh-copy-id, the client ought to read ~/.ssh/config on its own later in normal use)
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• 2265[14:11:31] <marieso> I'm running debian stable, and my computer freezes sometimes when running memory heavy programs. How can I debug this issue?
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• 2267[14:12:02] <apollo13> add more memory? :D
• 2268[14:12:05] <Haohmaru> freezes shortly or hangs and requires an ugly reboot?
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• 2273[14:13:31] <chrisa> jelly, nope, "ls /etc/systemd/system/|egrep 'cups|printer'" -> nothing
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• 2280[14:15:37] <gpunk> marieso: you may have bad memory sticks
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• 2282[14:15:49] <gpunk> can try another set of ram sticks ?
• 2283[14:15:53] <gpunk> you*
• 2284[14:16:03] <Haohmaru> run a memtest maybe to be sure
• 2285[14:16:06] <marieso> gpunk: not easily, it's a laptop
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• 2287[14:16:13] <gpunk> ah
• 2288[14:16:19] <jelly> chrisa: that's probably good, see if merely disabling it makes it not start for you
• 2289[14:16:20] <marieso> Haohmaru: hangs and I have to do an ugly reboot
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• 2291[14:16:33] <marieso> Haohmaru: sometimes it unfreezes after a few minutes
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• 2293[14:16:40] <Haohmaru> then it smells like bad RAM to my untrained nose
• 2294[14:16:43] <chrisa> OK, rebooting.
• 2295[14:16:48] <gpunk> try a memtest first then
• 2296[14:16:53] <chrisa> systemctl disable cups.socket
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• 2300[14:16:59] <chrisa> jelly, I also ran ^
• 2301[14:17:04] <marieso> ok I'll try that, thanks
• 2302[14:17:20] <jelly> chrisa: one of those is masked by default I think
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• 2326[14:23:46] <makalu> usually packages are kept back if they require new packages to be installed. But why do I have kept back packages when running dist-upgrade?
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• 2333[14:25:14] <chrisa> jelly, that worked, thanks.
• 2334[14:26:22] <chrisa> Now if I knew why when shutting down the shutdown process (also SystemD I guess) said something along the lines of "waiting for process .. by user chris .. " for 1 1/2 minutes.
• 2335[14:26:36] <chrisa> I'm tempted to whack it with a hammer.
• 2336[14:27:18] <jelly> that happens to me if I'm accidentally logged in at the console
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• 2338[14:27:37] <jelly> (in addition to being logged in via *dm)
• 2339[14:27:47] <chrisa> I've always got a root session open via sux
• 2340[14:27:53] <jelly> I just SysRq it and curse systemd.
• 2341[14:28:25] <chrisa> Okay, will do the same, maybe it helps.
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• 2352[14:30:30] <gauthier> hi all! So I'm in trouble with my touchpad, libinput vs synaptics. I guess it's a common question here, sorry.
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• 2355[14:31:05] <gauthier> I have a fresh stretch install on a Dell XPS 13, it seems to have libinput and no synaptics
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• 2359[14:31:44] <gauthier> everything seems fine in Gnome, but not in xfce4. I guess it's a Wayland vs X thing (?)
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• 2362[14:32:13] <gauthier> when I try to install xserver-xorg-input-libinput
• 2363[14:32:19] <gauthier> it's already installed
• 2364[14:32:36] <gauthier> yet, `libinput` says `command not found`
• 2365[14:33:07] <gauthier> I've tried to install libinput-tools as well, no cookie
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• 2368[14:33:33] <gauthier> what do I need to install to be able to run `libinput list-devices`?
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• 2372[14:34:35] <cruncher> libinput-tools
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• 2374[14:35:50] <gauthier> OMG! It's `libinput-list-devices`!!
• 2375[14:36:01] <gauthier> I tried `libinput list-devices`!!
• 2376[14:36:09] <FinalX> hehe
• 2377[14:36:18] <gauthier> -_-
• 2378[14:36:49] <gauthier> ok, thanks for reading. Sorry.
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• 2409[14:50:43] <gpunk> any idea about my question ? w/who/last
• 2410[14:51:51] <ThCTLo> hai, i've a reprepro question. i accedently created 2 sources with the same name but different checksums. Im trying to figure out how i can upload the latest version and update the checksums.
• 2411[14:52:10] <ThCTLo> so if anyone can hint me ;-) would be great.
• 2412[14:52:45] <Posterdati> hi
• 2413[14:53:16] <Posterdati> please I have a nvidia 930mx which driver should I use?
• 2414[14:53:57] <gpunk> for what usage ?
• 2415[14:54:07] <gpunk> will you want games ?
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• 2418[14:55:15] <Posterdati> gpunk: full hd
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• 2420[14:55:35] <Posterdati> video watching and oolite playing
• 2421[14:55:56] <gpunk> i'd go for propriatary drivers my self ...
• 2422[14:55:59] <Posterdati> the current stretch driver won't find the board :(
• 2423[14:56:15] <gpunk> nouveau drivers ?
• 2424[14:56:26] <Posterdati> debian installer placed nouveau instead
• 2425[14:56:53] <gpunk> enable nonfree repos and install nvidia drivers
• 2426[14:57:00] <frazr> only play quake1 smoothly on debian, never had any success with anything else :)
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• 2428[14:57:02] <Posterdati> done
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• 2430[14:57:15] <Posterdati> nvidia-detect won't find it
• 2431[14:57:41] <gpunk> it could be because nouveau is already loaded
• 2432[14:57:47] <gpunk> have you rebooted since ?
• 2433[14:57:48] <Posterdati> no
• 2434[14:57:54] <Posterdati> rmmod it
• 2435[14:57:59] <gpunk> then reboot please
• 2436[14:58:01] <frazr> u need to blacklist
• 2437[14:58:03] <Posterdati> from init 1
• 2438[14:58:04] <frazr> aswell
• 2439[14:58:07] <Posterdati> blacklisted
• 2440[14:58:20] <BluesKaj> nvidia 930mx uses the nvidia- 367 driver now Posterdati, but you can check if you follow this : replaced-url
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• 2443[14:59:44] <Posterdati> ok
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• 2445[15:00:07] <Posterdati> 930mx is in the 375.66 list of supported devices
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• 2447[15:00:22] <Posterdati> but it is not detected
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• 2450[15:01:19] <gpunk> have you rebooted yet ?
• 2451[15:01:31] <Posterdati> yes
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• 2453[15:01:51] <gpunk> is nouveau loaded ?
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• 2455[15:02:07] <Posterdati> no
• 2456[15:02:17] <Posterdati> I've got the console login screen
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• 2461[15:03:33] <gpunk> so you logged in and did lsmod ?
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• 2464[15:04:17] <gpunk> did you do nvidia-xconfig ?
• 2465[15:05:47] <BluesKaj> nvidia-xconfig is deprecated afaik
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• 2470[15:07:04] <Posterdati> lsmod | grep nouveau
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• 2472[15:07:21] <towo^work> 930mx sounds like notebook
• 2473[15:07:54] <gpunk> it is
• 2474[15:08:00] <Posterdati> hp probook 470 g4
• 2475[15:08:04] <towo^work> lspci | egrep -i "vga|display|3d"
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• 2479[15:09:37] <Posterdati> towo^work: is there on 01:00.0 3D Controller ...
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• 2481[15:09:53] <towo^work> show the complete output
• 2482[15:10:02] <towo^work> i would oracle it's optimus
• 2483[15:10:21] <towo^work> and if so, you can't use the nvidia chip by simply installing the nvidia driver
• 2484[15:10:34] <towo^work> you have to read about bumblebee
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• 2491[15:13:51] <BluesKaj> Posterdati, which laptop is this?
• 2492[15:13:51] <Posterdati> towo^work: ok, thanks
• 2493[15:13:55] <Posterdati> hp probook 470 g4
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• 2498[15:15:11] <gpunk> replaced-url
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• 2504[15:15:50] <BluesKaj> towo^work, not an optimus
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• 2509[15:16:36] <towo^work> sayes who?
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• 2515[15:18:10] <hexhaxtron[work]> A friend of mine suggested me to run a DNS server by my own. Is there any benefit on that? Will webpages load faster or something?
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• 2519[15:18:25] <gpunk> hexhaxtron[work]: yes
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• 2521[15:19:19] <gpunk> you could install bind as caching name server
• 2522[15:20:00] <gpunk> and put 127.0.0.1 in your /etc/resolv.conf
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• 2524[15:21:32] <Posterdati> gpunk: pci=nomsi didn't work
• 2525[15:21:45] <gpunk> and the other one ?
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• 2527[15:22:40] <gpunk> pci=noaer
• 2528[15:22:54] <towo^work> as long, as there is the igp as primary device, you can add whatever you want to grub
• 2529[15:23:01] <towo^work> it can't work
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• 2532[15:23:35] <towo^work> that's why i want to see the output of lspci | egrep -i "vga|display|3d"
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• 2536[15:24:51] <gpunk> I see
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• 2538[15:25:18] <Posterdati> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 5916 (rev 02) 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 930MX] (rev a2)
• 2539[15:25:37] <Posterdati> there are two video controllers?
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• 2541[15:25:44] <towo^work> so this looks indeed like optimus
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• 2544[15:26:01] <Posterdati> that's why there's also a i915 module
• 2545[15:26:15] <towo^work> and if you can't disable the Intel complete in bios firmware, you only can use bumblebee
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• 2547[15:26:31] <abrotman> hexhaxtron[work]: I wouldn't say to run your own, but to run your own caching DNS (yes, there's a difference)
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• 2549[15:26:57] <Posterdati> let's see
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• 2552[15:28:13] <Posterdati> I've got uma and hybrid, which shall I choose>
• 2553[15:28:14] <Posterdati> ?
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• 2561[15:29:45] <towo^work> replaced-url
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• 2563[15:30:47] <BluesKaj> odd, the HP ProBook 470 G4 specs didn't list any intel gpus
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• 2567[15:32:32] <gpunk> Posterdati: what asking thoses choices ?
• 2568[15:32:37] <towo^work> BluesKaj, sure it is listed as optimus
• 2569[15:32:40] <gpunk> the bios or a driver install
• 2570[15:32:44] <towo^work> gpunk, the bios
• 2571[15:32:50] <Posterdati> bios
• 2572[15:32:54] <towo^work> and uma would not help
• 2573[15:33:02] <towo^work> it's a optimus device
• 2574[15:33:29] <towo^work> BluesKaj, if you can read german: replaced-url
• 2575[15:33:32] <gpunk> i guess we gonna go with hybrid/bumblebee
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• 2583[15:34:20] <Posterdati> gpunk: :( it is reported to have 2 GB video RAM
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• 2585[15:34:40] <BluesKaj> towo^work, oops my mistake , you're correct, optimus it is, then bumblebee might work
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• 2592[15:36:10] <gpunk> Posterdati: replaced-url
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• 2594[15:36:48] <Posterdati> gpunk: it is an horrible solution
• 2595[15:37:12] <gpunk> that s life ! :)
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• 2599[15:38:24] <Posterdati> that's why I never bought intel products
• 2600[15:38:36] <towo^work> has nothing to do with intel
• 2601[15:38:38] <Posterdati> especially on mobile
• 2602[15:38:45] <towo^work> nvidia has introduced that optimus crap
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• 2606[15:39:40] <towo^work> for me, there is no need for a fat 3d chip in a notebook
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• 2610[15:40:08] <Posterdati> this is completely mad, an intel card to display nvidia stuffs?
• 2611[15:40:12] <towo^work> notebooks are designed for work
• 2612[15:40:17] <bezaban> for optimus myself and a few colleagues have just disabled the hybrid mode in bios and stuck with the nvidia drivers. Mostly because we stay docked and don't really have the time to spend on it
• 2613[15:40:20] <Posterdati> who is the moron who designed that shit?
• 2614[15:40:25] <bezaban> Posterdati: it's dualgpu on demand
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• 2617[15:41:05] <Posterdati> now I have a 09k useless laptop here
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• 2619[15:41:16] <Posterdati> now I have a 0.9kEuros useless laptop here
• 2620[15:41:28] <towo^work> you have buyed it
• 2621[15:41:33] <BluesKaj> it's supposedly a gaming-capable notebook, which to me is a contradiction in terms
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• 2623[15:41:39] <towo^work> you could have informed berfore buyinfg
• 2624[15:41:41] <Posterdati> yes but I had no clue of it
• 2625[15:41:42] <towo^work> -f
• 2626[15:41:59] <bezaban> Posterdati: how is it useless?
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• 2628[15:42:25] <towo^work> BluesKaj, exact, gaming and notebook its indeed a contradiction
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• 2630[15:42:57] <tremolo> Well, apparently it doesn't have to be.
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• 2632[15:44:27] <BluesKaj> Posterdati, the intel gpu handles the lower power graphics loads, when you switch to more graphics intensive apps then the nvidia gpu takes over, they don't run at the same time
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• 2634[15:44:57] <Posterdati> BluesKaj: I now this kind of foolishness
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• 2636[15:45:30] <towo^work> thay do run at the same time
• 2637[15:45:50] <Posterdati> now I have two graphics card and no one of them is decently working :)
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• 2640[15:46:03] <towo^work> the nvidia device renders direct in the framebuffer of the intel, because the intel is the only device wired to the display
• 2641[15:46:14] <towo^work> Posterdati, intel is working fine
• 2642[15:46:29] <towo^work> remove all nvidia crap
• 2643[15:46:30] <BluesKaj> it's a pita on linux, but some users just stick the with nvidia driver
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• 2646[15:47:04] <Posterdati> towo^work: I always buy amd, completely avoiding intel
• 2647[15:47:09] <Posterdati> all fine until now!
• 2648[15:47:17] <BluesKaj> uses more battery power but performance is much better
• 2649[15:47:46] <Posterdati> I will try the nouveau driver
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• 2651[15:48:18] <BluesKaj> amdgpu is the one to use
• 2652[15:48:24] <Posterdati> gaming is not my pimary job
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• 2654[15:48:36] <towo^work> the nouveau would not help either
• 2655[15:48:45] <towo^work> because the intel is driving your display
• 2656[15:49:07] <Posterdati> yes but now I do not have a display either
• 2657[15:49:12] <towo^work> and since it is skylake, you need non-free firmware for the intel graphics
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• 2659[15:49:22] <Posterdati> it is on console only
• 2660[15:49:32] <towo^work> Posterdati, because you have installed the nvidia blob
• 2661[15:49:41] <towo^work> remove that crap complete
• 2662[15:50:00] <towo^work> then install the needed intel firmware and be happy
• 2663[15:50:26] <Posterdati> intel graphics?
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• 2666[15:50:55] <towo^work> sure
• 2667[15:51:31] <Posterdati> but I bought this computer for the nvidia!
• 2668[15:51:53] <towo^work> you have buyed wrong
• 2669[15:52:23] <themill> for extra fancy nvidia performance on console?
• 2670[15:52:36] <BluesKaj> Posterdati, did you research bumbleebee , at least check it out before you decide
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• 2672[15:53:00] <Posterdati> BluesKaj: I installed it but no X working!
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• 2674[15:53:14] <ThCTLo> @posterdati : replaced-url
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• 2676[15:53:24] <BluesKaj> well you also need the nvidia amdgpu driver
• 2677[15:53:39] <BluesKaj> Posterdati,^
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• 2679[15:54:01] <themill> BluesKaj: ?
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• 2681[15:54:17] <BluesKaj> for bumblebee
• 2682[15:55:35] <themill> bumblebee-nvidia you mean?
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• 2685[15:55:56] <BluesKaj> yes
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• 2691[15:56:08] <themill> not amdgpu
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• 2693[15:56:53] <Posterdati> look at this, please: replaced-url
• 2694[15:56:55] <jelly> nvidia closed source have really improved their game, the version in stretch uses kernel drm, and _almost_ plays well with inteldrmfb
• 2695[15:57:41] <jelly> probably works on optimus but not my discrete-nvidia + old-intel-gpu desktop mostrosity
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• 2702[16:01:52] <BluesKaj> Posterdati, replaced-url
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• 2704[16:02:54] <BluesKaj> should give an idea what's required with bumblebee
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• 2711[16:06:28] <jhutchins> What's a good way to simulate ram exhaustion? Something that will use it all up?
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• 2713[16:06:40] <djrun> hi
• 2714[16:06:45] <Posterdati> thanks people
• 2715[16:06:56] <Posterdati> I'm facing another problem with wifi
• 2716[16:07:17] <djrun> with which program i can open torrent files in parrot sec
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• 2718[16:07:56] <Posterdati> the intel wifi card change its mac address at every boot or driver reloading, I installed the non free firmware package and iwlwifi
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• 2720[16:08:22] <tremolo> djrun: Might want to try #parrotsec
• 2721[16:08:27] <gpunk> jhutchins: write a C program, that does Malloc() in an infinite loop
• 2722[16:08:31] <gpunk> run it as root
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• 2725[16:09:20] <djrun> i can't find :( may i download linuxmint transmission on parrot?
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• 2729[16:09:52] <Posterdati> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59)
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• 2731[16:10:12] <babilen> Posterdati: Are you using NM?
• 2732[16:10:36] <Posterdati> babilen: ?
• 2733[16:10:38] <Posterdati> yes
• 2734[16:10:47] <babilen> Posterdati: replaced-url
• 2735[16:10:52] <Posterdati> Network Manager you mean
• 2736[16:10:59] <babilen> I do indeed
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• 2738[16:11:24] <darxmurf> I had this problem but with the Asus tinker board
• 2739[16:11:42] <darxmurf> but as it's a kind of prototype machine I was not surprised by this ^^
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• 2742[16:12:38] <tremolo> djrun: I'm not sure. Neither Mint nor Parrot are Debian. Looking through their site, it seems like transmission is in Parrot's repository.
• 2743[16:12:49] <darxmurf> and by the way about the Nvidia driver, I deployed the version in debian repo on about 40 machines and it works well. I know that ppl hate them but when you run CUDA computation you don't have that much choice :-)
• 2744[16:13:18] <babilen> dpkg: tell djrun -about parrot
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• 2747[16:13:48] <gpunk> !dpkg
• 2748[16:13:49] <dpkg> i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
• 2749[16:14:00] <ThCTLo> @posterdati what does: iwlist scan tell you if you run it, reboot and run it again? still changing mac. . wpa_cli wps_pbc Your:mac:adre:
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• 2751[16:14:16] <tremolo> But realize that you're asking about installing one distribution's package on a second distribution, in a support channel for a third distribution.
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• 2756[16:16:56] <Maggiore> hello
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• 2767[16:21:43] <Posterdati> babilen: thanks!
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• 2790[16:31:08] <Posterdati> ok people, at least it works
• 2791[16:31:18] <Posterdati> thank you for support
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• 2806[16:35:19] <dermoth> Anyone can recommend a good GUI hex editor for Debian that 1) can efficiently search arbitrary binary data, and 2) open and modify in-place very large files (100+ GB) without rewriting everything (at least as long as size doesn't change)
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• 2831[16:45:52] <dionysus69> just listened to Linus talk
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• 2833[16:46:02] <dionysus69> he is right, distributions should unite
• 2834[16:46:19] <dionysus69> it's stupid to have fragmentation of this scale!
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• 2836[16:46:55] <dionysus69> so much energy and working hours go to waste, will go to waste eventually... :\
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• 2844[16:49:06] * jelly points dionysus69 to #debian-offtopic
• 2845[16:49:18] <dionysus69> that's the problem
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• 2847[16:49:24] <cruncher> dermoth, check out wxhexeditor and bless
• 2848[16:49:25] <dionysus69> this is not offtopic!
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• 2854[16:50:42] <cruncher> dionysus69, its not a support question/issue.. but come join offtopic
• 2855[16:50:53] <jelly> dionysus69: this is a tech support channel, unless you have a tech issue, it's offtopic. Your issue is political and/or social. You get one warning.
• 2856[16:51:08] <dionysus69> lol ok ok hands up
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• 2868[16:54:31] <gpunk> jelly: have see my issue question ?
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• 2873[16:55:40] <jelly> gpunk: don't remember it. If I was active at the time you asked it, I'm probably clueless about it and decided not to comment
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• 2876[16:55:58] <gpunk> I noticed the "w"/"who" and "last" commands show IP instead of hostnames
• 2877[16:56:08] <gpunk> after upgrading from jessie to strech
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• 2895[17:01:18] <jelly> gpunk: did you, perhaps, look at the changelog to see if this was intentional
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• 2898[17:02:49] <McErroneous> Hi, how do i execute dhclient from panel ? i added a luncher, but a command like "sudo su -l root -s /bin/bash dhclient usb0 " did not workout ....
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• 2906[17:05:40] <jelly> McErroneous: why all the sudo su -l root -s /bin/bash
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• 2908[17:06:14] <Soliton> rootception
• 2909[17:06:19] <jelly> McErroneous: does "sudo dhclient foo" not work for you
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• 2913[17:07:45] <gpunk> sudo will ask you for a password
• 2914[17:07:59] <gpunk> you cant put it in an "applet" like that
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• 2917[17:08:16] <gpunk> luncher i mean
• 2918[17:08:17] <jelly> ,i gksudo
• 2919[17:08:18] <judd> No package named 'gksudo' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2920[17:08:29] <jelly> ,i gksu
• 2921[17:08:30] <gpunk> jelly: yes that works
• 2922[17:08:31] <judd> Package gksu (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: graphical front-end to su and sudo. Version: 2.0.2-9+b1; Size: 71.0k; Installed: 289k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2928[17:09:48] <Soliton> sounds to me he'd rather want to configure sudo to not ask for a password.
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• 2931[17:10:34] <Elysium3301> Hello, I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop via USB but every time I try it checks the CD/DVD and says it's not a usable CD/DVD. How do I install debian from a USB drive
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• 2933[17:10:40] <Elysium3301> ?
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• 2935[17:11:05] <gpunk> McErroneous: why do you want this conf. ? did you try NM ?
• 2936[17:11:48] <m3rlin> Elysium3301: what your tools to make bootable usb?
• 2937[17:11:51] <jelly> Elysium3301: that sometimes happens when the usb stick is written using helper tools like rufus or unetbootin
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• 2943[17:12:46] <jelly> Elysium3301: debian-installer image is supposed to be written directly to the stick using /bin/cp or win32diskimager
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• 2945[17:13:13] <jelly> it already has partitions and boot capability for UEFI and legacy boot
• 2946[17:13:21] <jelly> and CD/DVD and usb storage.
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• 2949[17:14:08] <Elysium3301> That explains it.. I've used MultiBootUSB. I'll use /bin/cp
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• 2953[17:14:45] <Elysium3301> Thanks for the quick help! :)
• 2954[17:14:49] <m3rlin> Elysium3301: win32diskimager working all of most Linux distribution
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• 2960[17:16:15] <gpunk> jelly: I found nothing about my issue , maybe not looking in the right place
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• 2962[17:17:25] <jelly> Elysium3301: if you're writing the stick from linux, just cp blah.iso /dev/sdq (where /dev/sdq is your whole usb stick, and make sure nothing from /dev/sdq is mounted before doing that)
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• 2965[17:17:49] <jelly> Elysium3301: this _will_ write over any previous contents
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• 2968[17:19:23] <Elysium3301> I've removed the existing partition from the USB with gparted, copying now
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• 2976[17:22:23] <m3rlin> Elysium3301: another way to make bootable live usb, try using "dd" command
• 2977[17:22:35] <jelly> m3rlin: no, cp is better and easier
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• 2979[17:22:50] <jelly> you don't have to think about block size
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• 2984[17:24:38] <m3rlin> jelly: I never try command "cp" to make live usb, is it work?
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• 2986[17:25:07] <Trel> clear
• 2987[17:25:13] <cruncher> on dd, block size is non mandatory, and basically only for buffer purposes
• 2988[17:25:13] <Trel> sorry, wrong channel
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• 2992[17:25:32] <cruncher> but yes, cp is easier
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• 3000[17:26:44] <Elysium3301> Should work now, thanks for the helpful and quick support! Have a nice day everyone! :3
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• 3007[17:28:35] <jelly> m3rlin: it works, as documented in the install guide: replaced-url
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• 3009[17:29:17] <jelly> cruncher: it's not mandatory but forgetting it is a real easy way to kill your stick with write amplification
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• 3013[17:30:20] <m3rlin> jelly: Thanks, I will try later
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• 3081[17:49:06] <m3rlin> are debian stretch is really stable? because I'm still using debian jessie for one reason, I tried to install broadcom-sta-dkms but it's fail and I got a message "Error Consult bad bla bla bla". Can anyone to help me? Thanks
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• 3085[17:50:48] <m3rlin> my problem found on debian stretch
• 3086[17:50:56] <jelly> ah yes, the dreaded "Consult bad bla bla bla" issue
• 3087[17:51:02] <jelly> !ask
• 3088[17:51:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3089[17:51:06] <jelly> m3rlin: ^^
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• 3091[17:51:23] <jelly> !paste
• 3092[17:51:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 3093[17:51:36] <jim> m3rlin, I think if they had -exact- text of the command lines you ran, and the -exact- text of (1) the error messages and (2) the non-error results (aka no "bla bla") there would be a better chance someone could help you
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• 3095[17:52:08] <deaninous> Question. On an ASUS laptop installed kali and have never seen bluetooth ever since. Google fu has failed me on this. Anyone familiar with it?
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• 3103[17:54:02] <jim> deaninous, kali might have the same package manager as debian (and then again, maybe they changed it), other than that, they could have made thousands of changes debian devs never see... kinda hard to support that
• 3104[17:54:14] <jim> just so you know
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• 3107[17:54:20] <jelly> deaninous: ask in #kali
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• 3109[17:55:16] <deaninous> thanks @jim. And that was my first post on here
• 3110[17:55:20] <jelly> unless installing kali has ruined bluetooth in a previous debian installation, then you have a case to ask here
• 3111[17:55:35] <deaninous> thanks @jelly. Will try that
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• 3113[17:55:53] <jim> deaninous, no worries, live and learn
• 3114[17:55:54] <m3rlin> jelly, jim, thanks for advice. Now, I just reinstall my device
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• 3121[17:58:56] <jelly> ,v broadcom-sta-dkms
• 3122[17:58:58] <judd> Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; jessie/non-free: 6.30.223.248-3; jessie-backports/non-free: 6.30.223.271-5~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 6.30.223.271-5; buster/non-free: 6.30.223.271-7; sid/non-free: 6.30.223.271-7
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• 3126[17:59:52] <jelly> m3rlin: maybe look at replaced-url
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• 3128[18:00:28] <jelly> specific to stretch, perhaps
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• 3132[18:01:48] <jelly> (or specific to a kernel later than 3.16)
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• 3135[18:02:20] <jim> m3rlin, one thing you should watch out for... whenever you edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add places for packages to come, it increases the possibility of your installed-package database becoming corrupted, which could lead to your not being able to install packages until you do major forensics and removal of packages that contributed to it... essentially the problem is this: the packaging system of debian can't differentiate between dependency trees that
• 3136[18:02:21] <jim> are compatible with those that aren't, the package manager will more or less just try to install them, and in so doing, also "import" the dependency tree (or part of it) that may not be compatible with the version of debian overall you have installed
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• 3142[18:03:46] <jim> m3rlin, the best defense against this, is to -only- install packages from copmpatible sources (otherwise you can contract what's been called "dependency hell")
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• 3156[18:08:07] <m3rlin> jelly, I'm using kernel linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 on debian jessie and I'm haven't problem about broadcom-sta-dkms
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• 3158[18:08:45] <jim> so, it's working?
• 3159[18:09:01] <jelly> m3rlin: good, that kernel is very, very similar to the one in stretch
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• 3161[18:09:12] <jelly> gcc is different tho.
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• 3166[18:09:50] <jelly> m3rlin: but also you have an older version of broadcom-sta-dkms with jessie. So who knows.
• 3167[18:10:19] <m3rlin> jim, yes. but it working on debian jessie
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• 3170[18:11:10] <m3rlin> jelly, yep. as you said, I will try
• 3171[18:11:42] <jelly> m3rlin: that gives you more options if stuff in stretch does not work; it will make sense to try using wl version from jessie if the one in stretch fails to build
• 3172[18:12:19] <jim> m3rlin, one thing you need installed to help the dkms ("Debian Kernel Module System, for building modules) work correctly, is you need the linux-modules-* packages that matches versions with the kernel you have running (or intend to build for)
• 3173[18:12:20] <jelly> (wl = broadcom-sta, but a lot shorter to write)
• 3174[18:12:45] <jelly> it's linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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• 3176[18:13:01] <jelly> and I think they know that, having made dkms to work before
• 3177[18:13:33] <jim> is module-assistant still involved at all?
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• 3180[18:14:16] <towo`> jim, dkms isn't debian kernel module system
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• 3182[18:14:47] <BluesKaj> dynamic kernel module support
• 3183[18:14:54] <jelly> debian-specific tools like mod-ass sometimes get replaced when upstream and other distros agree to use similar but different tools, like dkms
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• 3186[18:15:48] <jim> so dkms got moved upstream?
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• 3188[18:16:05] <towo`> it is comming from upstream
• 3189[18:16:08] <jelly> Homepage: replaced-url
• 3190[18:16:17] <towo`> dkms is nothing debian specific
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• 3192[18:16:54] <jim> it's a -dell- thing?! wow :)
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• 3194[18:17:15] <jelly> see also: debian menu vs. freedesktop.org .desktop
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• 3197[18:18:07] <jelly> and I guess update-mime vs. desktop-spec, too?
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• 3199[18:18:20] <m3rlin> jelly, Okay, I downloaded broadcom-sta-dkms and I will test a package to debian stretch after installation finish
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• 3203[18:18:47] <jelly> m3rlin: hope you have an ethernet cable nearby!
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• 3205[18:18:53] * jelly hides
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• 3207[18:19:35] <a0z> hehe
• 3208[18:19:43] <jim> and your ethernet card is well supported too
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• 3210[18:19:49] <m3rlin> jelly, absolutely
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• 3214[18:20:25] <jim> some newer laptops only have wireless, not wired
• 3215[18:20:36] <m3rlin> jim, I'm using linux-modules-* from backports repository
• 3216[18:20:43] <knstn> Is there in the IT world related to Finance/Economic/Business ? Like a related programming language or infrastructure ? And no i don't mean MS Excel.
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• 3218[18:20:55] <knstn> *something*
• 3219[18:20:58] <jim> stretch-backports?
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• 3221[18:21:37] <jelly> knstn: R is for statistics?
• 3222[18:21:41] <jhutchins> knstn: cobol
• 3223[18:22:12] <rotaticus> bc
• 3224[18:22:16] * rotaticus hides
• 3225[18:22:33] <a0z> hehe
• 3226[18:22:34] <jim> a language mainly used in the financial world? like jhutchins says, cobol?!
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• 3229[18:23:13] <knstn> jelly, jhutchins: ye but cobol is a dinosaur...
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• 3231[18:23:42] <m3rlin> jim, especially for linux-image, linux-headers and other packages I downloaded from jessie-backports. I don't use stretch-backports for my device when I am using debian stretch
• 3232[18:24:06] <jim> so put a saddle on that dinosaur and ride em!
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• 3236[18:25:28] <jhutchins> knstn: Yes, but it's still a viable dinosaur in use all over the world.
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• 3241[18:25:51] <knstn> jhutchins: i thought only ATM use it
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• 3243[18:26:00] <jhutchins> knstn: It is exactly what you asked, a business-oriented programming language used in financial industries.
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• 3245[18:26:15] <jim> "only" atm :)
• 3246[18:26:22] <jhutchins> knstn: Banks, mutual funds, all kinds of institutions.
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• 3248[18:26:55] <jhutchins> knstn: We have a fairly high concentration of companies here in Kansas City, caused quite an employment spike for y2k.
• 3249[18:27:28] <jhutchins> knstn: Those companies can't afford to discard decades of code and start from scratch in some new language.
• 3250[18:27:28] <knstn> jhutchins: thanks, i'll have that in mind. By the way does R has relation to statistical programs like SPSS?
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• 3252[18:28:18] <jim> spss is also dinoish
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• 3255[18:28:45] <knstn> Nope SPSS is Java
• 3256[18:28:51] <jmcnaught> ,i pspp
• 3257[18:28:52] <judd> Package pspp (math, optional) in stretch/amd64: Statistical analysis tool. Version: 0.10.2-1+b1; Size: 3579.5k; Installed: 15024k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3258[18:28:54] <jim> definitely around in the early 70s
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• 3260[18:30:15] <jelly> knstn: try this: /msg alis list #R ... and then this /msg alis list #r-*
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• 3262[18:30:46] <knstn> I wanted something to look good along my economics degree and junior sysadmin certification
• 3263[18:31:22] <jim> there was definitely something called spss that was around at that time, well before java... I have no idea if the current spss is related
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• 3265[18:32:09] <jelly> also, ##programming maybe
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• 3267[18:32:43] <m3rlin> brb
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• 3271[18:33:03] <jim> and back then it stood for "statistical package for the social sciences"
• 3272[18:33:55] <jelly> there's at least one debian developer on planet.debian.org very enthusiastic about R and CRAN
• 3273[18:34:08] <jelly> or was it planet.debian.net
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• 3275[18:34:14] <knstn> economics is social actually. after they focused on econometric software
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• 3278[18:35:18] <jelly> knstn: let's keep this channel for Debian tech support, I think you got enough clues to widen your search in more appropriate (and hopefully more helpful) channels
• 3279[18:35:35] <jelly> #debian-offtopic is still open for chat
• 3280[18:35:43] <knstn> jelly: Yep
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• 3282[18:36:44] <tytan> hello everyone, I'm on Debian 9 and I don't have fdisk installed and there is also no fdisk in the standard repositotrys. how can install fdisk?
• 3283[18:38:01] <jim> tytan, I think you can get fdisk... and, you can also get gnu parted and the graphical gparted
• 3284[18:38:12] <alexlikerock> tytsn disk-utils maybe
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• 3287[18:38:40] <tytan> jim: I use i3wm. I'm not interested in GUI applications if the CLI is just as good
• 3288[18:38:41] <jim> tytan see if you get any output from apt-cache search fdisk
• 3289[18:38:42] <jmcnaught> tytan: /sbin/fdisk is in the util-linux package. /sbin is not in regular user's $PATH (but it should be for root)
• 3290[18:38:47] <jelly> tytan: ls -l /sbin/fdisk
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• 3292[18:39:01] <tytan> let me check :)
• 3293[18:39:13] <alexlikerock> jelly o/
• 3294[18:39:16] <jim> right, shouldn't fdisk be in the base?
• 3295[18:39:19] <tytan> jim: I just did "apt search"
• 3296[18:39:22] <jelly> jim: it is.
• 3297[18:39:40] <tytan> sorry everyone, my mistake
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• 3299[18:39:47] <tytan> I can execute fdisk as root
• 3300[18:39:54] <jelly> (it may not be in buster... but it is, in stretch)
• 3301[18:39:58] <tytan> I previously tried as a user with sudo
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• 3303[18:40:20] <jelly> tytan: as in "sudo fdisk" and that did not work?
• 3304[18:40:21] <jim> btw, I dunno what changed concerning the required/base section, is this section gone now?
• 3305[18:40:42] <tytan> jelly: at least not for me. maybe I got a config wrong
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• 3308[18:41:30] <jhutchins> jelly: sudo uses the user's path.
• 3309[18:41:32] <jelly> tytan: is this a fresh debian 9 installation or an upgrade?
• 3310[18:41:44] <jelly> jhutchins: I hope it bloody well does not!
• 3311[18:41:48] <tytan> jelly: fresh 9.1
• 3312[18:41:56] <jhutchins> tytan: sudo /sbin/fdisk
• 3313[18:42:11] <tytan> jhutchins: that works
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• 3315[18:42:22] <tytan> so I assume I need to configure my $PATH?
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• 3318[18:43:00] <jelly> tytan: see if there's mention of secure_path in your /etc/sudoers
• 3319[18:43:06] <jhutchins> tytan: I wouldn't. It's meant to be that way. You need to pay extra attention to run system-altering commands.
• 3320[18:43:23] <jim> you probably shouldn't have /sbin and /usr/sbin in a plain user's path
• 3321[18:43:35] <tytan> ok, I will just use fdisk as root then. I rarely even use fdisk anyways
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• 3324[18:44:05] <tytan> Debian 9 with i3wm is super fast btw :)
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• 3326[18:44:14] <jelly> jhutchins: oh, so it does (with env_reset which is default). TIL!
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• 3328[18:44:54] <jhutchins> jelly: I don't know that that is true accross most/all distros, some may do things differently.
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• 3330[18:45:17] <jelly> tytan: then read about secure_path and env_reset in "man sudoers" and decide whether you want to set secure_path.
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• 3334[18:46:14] <jelly> tytan: use "visudo" if you edit /etc/sudoers, that will stop edits with syntax errors from activating
• 3335[18:46:36] <jelly> jhutchins: I don't know either. Talking about Debian here.
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• 3338[18:47:25] <dermoth> cruncher, thanks, works like a charm!
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• 3340[18:47:59] <tytan> thanks everyone
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• 3345[18:49:06] <teraflops> e.g archlinux merged /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin to /usr/bin time ago
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• 3351[18:50:58] <jim> tytan, you may want to become conversant with parted; I dunno what the future will hold with fdisk and parted, whether one will be deprecated, whether one will be recommended over the other, you can save yourself from being trapped in the "wrong" one (which I don't know which that will be) by at least familiarizing yourself with the structure of its documentation
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• 3385[19:07:18] <tytan> jim: parted?
• 3386[19:07:42] <Nekojimi> I'm not the Jim you're looking for, but it's the partition editor
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• 3388[19:08:26] <tytan> the cli looks similar to fdisk and gdisk
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• 3393[19:10:20] <teraflops> sfdisk/gdisk are fine these days
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• 3399[19:12:13] <tytan> teraflops: sfdisk?
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• 3406[19:14:42] <teraflops> yep
• 3407[19:14:55] <tytan> is it any different than fdisk?
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• 3410[19:15:23] <teraflops> yep
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• 3418[19:16:32] <jonfatino> Hello why is there no debian-live standard?
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• 3420[19:16:49] <jonfatino> Example before with debian 8 replaced-url
• 3421[19:16:55] <tytan> jonfatino: what do you expect it to be?
• 3422[19:16:58] <jonfatino> There is no debian 9 live standard replaced-url
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• 3425[19:18:33] <jonfatino> just want debian 9 without gui :P
• 3426[19:18:40] <jonfatino> *livecd*
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• 3429[19:19:54] <towo`> there is no live without gui
• 3430[19:20:01] <teraflops> jonfatino: press crtl + alt + F3 while in the live one
• 3431[19:20:01] <jonfatino> why not?
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• 3433[19:20:14] <teraflops> you can make your own one
• 3434[19:20:17] <jonfatino> this is for pxe boot livecd recovery :-(
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• 3445[19:24:30] <_frostie> when i try to install wine in stretch, the terminal gives: replaced-url
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• 3451[19:25:32] <teo_> how can i find the bit of my Debian Wheezy is 32 or 54 bit ?
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• 3453[19:26:02] <_frostie> i have added the wine repo as it says from the page: replaced-url
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• 3455[19:27:05] <tytan> teo_: uname
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• 3458[19:27:14] <tytan> teo_: uname -a
• 3459[19:27:40] <jelly> teo_: dpkg --print-architecture
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• 3462[19:27:52] <mitmf> how can i change host name?
• 3463[19:27:58] <jelly> teo_: i386 is 32bit, amd64 is 64bit
• 3464[19:28:06] <tytan> mitmf: edit /etc/hostname
• 3465[19:28:07] <mitmf> abc@host
• 3466[19:28:10] <jelly> dpkg, tell mitmf about hostname
• 3467[19:28:13] <teo_> yes i know this
• 3468[19:28:21] <mitmf> thanks
• 3469[19:28:23] <teo_> jelly
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• 3471[19:28:52] <jelly> teo_: sorry. It's hard to tell what a user may know in advance over the internet sometimes.
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• 3473[19:29:34] <LtL> teo_: are you going to spam the channel again over a non-debian kernel?
• 3474[19:30:08] <jelly> someone can have a nice and clean debian userspace with a non-debian kernel, LtL
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• 3478[19:30:51] <jelly> also, someone can have a 64bit kernel and still have a 32bit debian installation
• 3479[19:31:01] <LtL> jelly: teo_ is isning linuxcnc and trying to use debian wheezy repo's. this has been argued for two days
• 3480[19:31:10] <LtL> *using
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• 3482[19:31:26] <jelly> !linuxcnc
• 3483[19:31:43] <jelly> not even the bot knows about that one
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• 3490[19:32:27] <teraflops> I already asked here wtf is linuxcnc, yesterday
• 3491[19:32:31] <tytan> too bad debian doesn't support ppc anymore
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• 3494[19:33:33] <LtL> teraflops: its a debian based kernel/OS for CNC machines. replaced-url
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• 3498[19:34:24] <mitmf> when i do apt-get update, Ign:1 replaced-url
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• 3500[19:34:37] <teraflops> LtL: ah same person then, thanks for the info
• 3501[19:34:59] <LtL> teraflops: i wish him the best but i don't think we can help him.
• 3502[19:35:11] <teraflops> right
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• 3504[19:35:26] <rotaticus> teo_: go install a fresh debian, followed by the packages in the linuxcnc repo and report back with a debian
• 3505[19:36:03] <jelly> dpkg, linuxcnc is <reply>LinuxCNC is an OS for some models of CNC machines, <based on debian>. For support, ask #linuxcnc on freenode, or some of other venues listed at replaced-url
• 3506[19:36:03] <dpkg> okay, jelly
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• 3508[19:36:14] <teraflops> heh, go install debian then install a third party repo?
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• 3510[19:36:48] <jelly> mitmf: there's nothing wrong with that line, I: means it's informative.
• 3511[19:36:51] <rotaticus> ok bad idea ... but a start
• 3512[19:36:58] <tytan> I also just grabbed the debian iso and didn't install a GUI so I could install i3wm
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• 3514[19:37:20] <mitmf> Ign <—— this means ignore? jelly ?
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• 3517[19:38:31] <jim> tytan, yeah, there's fdisk, gdisk, sfdisk (latter has this text dump and restore feature)
• 3518[19:38:45] <jelly> mitmf: I'm guessing the message means something like "this file exists in the repo and will be ignored by apt"
• 3519[19:39:05] <teraflops> jelly: sfdisk is not than bad for scripting
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• 3521[19:39:14] <teraflops> opps i meant jim sorry
• 3522[19:39:17] <mitmf> thanks jelly :)
• 3523[19:39:30] <jelly> mitmf: but I honestly have no idea if that's right. Maybe someone else knows. Maybe it's documented.
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• 3525[19:39:36] <evilman_work> is there the plasma-5.9 package somewhere?
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• 3527[19:40:05] <jelly> mitmf: I: however means it's not a W:arning, it's not an E:rror, it's just I:nformational.
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• 3529[19:40:30] <mitmf> thanks jelly :)
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• 3537[19:42:47] <jelly> rotaticus: I dunno, when someone has a CNC machine, they probably want to make that CNC machine first and foremost. They probably don't care about releases of Debian. Telling them to install Debian may be a step in the wrong direction. If something is not working, they should ask their OS vendor.
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• 3540[19:43:00] <jelly> make that machine work*
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• 3543[19:43:20] <jim> teraflops, what did you mean to say with "is not than bad"?
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• 3549[19:45:20] <teraflops> jim: as in kind of a scripted version of fdisk
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• 3552[19:46:34] <rotaticus> jelly: sry my bad, you are correct
• 3553[19:46:42] <LeelooMinai> Any tips on running GUI apps as root? I know about gksudo, but I think there's something weird happening when I do that - had out of swap problems few times, etc.
• 3554[19:47:04] <tremolo> "don't"
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• 3556[19:47:07] <teraflops> jim: ah, I meant not that bad, typo
• 3557[19:47:09] <LeelooMinai> I am xfce btw
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• 3559[19:48:01] <LeelooMinai> tremolo: Was that for my question?
• 3560[19:48:12] <tremolo> yes
• 3561[19:48:25] <jelly> LeelooMinai: which GUI apps do you want to run as root?
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• 3563[19:48:28] <LeelooMinai> Meh - assume I want to.
• 3564[19:48:29] <evilman_work> LeelooMinai: you can tune the sudoers to run the gui apps.
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• 3566[19:49:14] <LeelooMinai> jelly: Currently git, but in the past the one that exploded to swap was service control GUI - forgot the name.
• 3567[19:49:16] <paul_grozav> Hello, how can i stop xflock4 from command line? I need to access my server using x2go
• 3568[19:49:29] <m3rlin> hi jelly
• 3569[19:49:30] <jelly> LeelooMinai: um, git is not a GUI app
• 3570[19:49:30] <m3rlin> jelly, it's working now. I used broadcom-sta-source, compiling, and follow instruction on readme.txt ;)
• 3571[19:49:48] <teraflops> paul_grozav: kill the process?
• 3572[19:49:54] <jelly> LeelooMinai: what kind of data are you managing via git that it needs to run as root?
• 3573[19:49:55] <LeelooMinai> jelly: Right, git GUI of course - GitEye for example.
• 3574[19:50:02] <paul_grozav> teraflops: Can't find it
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• 3576[19:50:09] <LeelooMinai> jelly: /etc
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• 3579[19:50:29] <jelly> LeelooMinai: maybe set up and use etckeeper, instead
• 3580[19:50:34] <jelly> ,i etckeeper
• 3581[19:50:35] <judd> Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. Version: 1.18.5-1; Size: 36.9k; Installed: 151k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 3583[19:50:52] <teraflops> paul_grozav: :S
• 3584[19:51:07] <LeelooMinai> jelly: Well, lol, yes, it's for etckeeper, but GUI to look at the actual git data:)
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• 3586[19:51:32] <jelly> LeelooMinai: GUI apps and libraries are horribly written and not expected to run as root. You have seen possible results yourself.
• 3587[19:51:33] <LeelooMinai> I mean etckeeper maintains the .git
• 3588[19:52:23] <jelly> you want to just look inside? clone and look as normal user
• 3589[19:52:28] <LeelooMinai> I understand that I don't want to run Minecraft as root, but still - it's a bit silly to have a GUI app to control services and not being able to run it as root.
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• 3591[19:52:40] <LeelooMinai> jelly: That's a good idea
• 3592[19:52:47] <jelly> it's the opposite of silly
• 3593[19:53:07] <LeelooMinai> Ok, so "retarded" then:p
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• 3595[19:53:34] <LeelooMinai> Sometimes you want to restart a service, etc.
• 3596[19:53:39] <jelly> go ahead and write non-leaky, root-safe Xorg widget then, we'll be waiting right here
• 3597[19:53:49] <_frostie> try to not to run a software as root/sudo
• 3598[19:54:12] <LeelooMinai> _frostie: Sounds almost like sarcasm...
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• 3603[19:55:19] <LeelooMinai> Don't blame me for broken apps - there's nothing inherrently wrong with wanting to control services using somethoing other than cli imo.
• 3604[19:55:20] <jelly> LeelooMinai: usually, UI runs as normal user while service mgt is run as root and told what to do via RPC API
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• 3606[19:56:04] <_frostie> running as superuser (root/sudo) give full control over things in linux and is never good to run when dont have to...
• 3607[19:56:48] <teraflops> LeelooMinai: sure but calling it retarded or silly is a bit gross imo
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• 3612[19:57:55] <LeelooMinai> _frostie: I know how this all works, I was just checking if in 2017 there are some better ways.
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• 3615[19:58:52] <LeelooMinai> And since I noticed after installing Debian there was this GUI app for controlling services, well, what... can ou blame me for trying to use it? :)
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• 3617[19:59:11] <jelly> LeelooMinai: eg: if you run "systemctl stop cron" as normal user, a popup asking for root password opens. Among available DEs, I fear Gnome is the one that has most GUI integration with root-privileged APIs
• 3618[19:59:15] <teraflops> we are not blaming you at all, it's all in your head :S
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• 3623[20:00:03] <LeelooMinai> Maybe there's some ncurses one at least that can do similar...
• 3624[20:00:08] <jelly> you run the app as normal user. When it needs to do stuff as root, it typically does so via (well defined?) APIs
• 3625[20:00:32] <LeelooMinai> Right, well, let me see...
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• 3628[20:01:01] <jelly> if noone's written a dbus API for etckeeper listing/restoring config yet, you're out of luck :>
• 3629[20:01:32] <LeelooMinai> Right, ok, so, the app is called systend System Manager and if run as user, pff, all the control buttons are disabled, so nope.
• 3630[20:01:41] <jelly> this seems to be the direction UIs for managment tasks are going
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• 3633[20:02:23] <jelly> LeelooMinai: which DE are you using? Things need to be set up properly in your user session for this stuff to work
• 3634[20:02:42] <LeelooMinai> DE?
• 3635[20:03:06] <LeelooMinai> Desktop Environment?
• 3636[20:03:16] <jelly> at least some of it is set up by the login manager (display manager, like gdm or sddm or lightdm) and your deskt... yes.
• 3637[20:03:16] <LeelooMinai> Dead Elephant?
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• 3639[20:03:38] <m3rlin> Desktop Environment
• 3640[20:03:47] <LeelooMinai> I am in xfce
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• 3642[20:04:08] <jelly> LeelooMinai: if you don't use a *dm or don't use a capable enough *dm, or a capable enough DE, things will be broken
• 3643[20:04:28] <LeelooMinai> Wonderful
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• 3645[20:04:36] <jelly> yes
• 3646[20:04:50] <jelly> as I said, only Gnome has most things working
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• 3648[20:05:18] <teraflops> e,g gnome uses polkit
• 3649[20:05:24] <LeelooMinai> lol, even ran as a user, this manager just "stopped working" - I guess command line it is:(
• 3650[20:05:31] <jelly> there's polkit, packagekit, dunnowhatkit
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• 3652[20:05:45] <jelly> and GUIs that work with those
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• 3661[20:07:03] <LeelooMinai> Ok, I guess I am not that OCD about it. For now I will just clone git too look at it, and do the service stuff without GUI
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• 3664[20:08:43] <LeelooMinai> Though first I need to think how to clone git repository that belongs to root withoput something weird happening.
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• 3687[20:16:40] <LeelooMinai> BTW, maybe someone did that: from terminal: watch for file changes and display diff every time automatically?>
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• 3689[20:17:05] <LeelooMinai> I mean diff between new content and the one before the change.
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• 3757[20:48:42] <teraflops> LeelooMinai: inotifywait
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• 3768[20:53:15] <LeelooMinai> Right, found it, thx
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• 3842[21:25:24] <Henry151> hey folks
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• 3845[21:25:44] <Henry151> how can I check/adjust display brightness from the terminal on my debian laptop?
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• 3847[21:25:53] <Henry151> it's a toughbook cf-30 if that is relevant
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• 3851[21:26:47] <Henry151> and it has an "fn+f1 and fn+f2" keyboard shortcut for adjuting brightness, which seemed to work when I was running xfce but doesn't seem to work anymore now, while running i3 with no lightdm
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• 3853[21:26:52] <netzach> hello
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• 3855[21:26:54] <Henry151> for adjusting* brightness
• 3856[21:26:55] <netzach> I am trying to update-grub
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• 3860[21:28:36] <netzach> Hello
• 3861[21:28:44] <netzach> I am following the guide for how to update-grub
• 3862[21:28:55] <netzach> and it works iwthout an error, but I still get a fstab error when I try to boot
• 3863[21:28:56] <netzach> help
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• 3865[21:30:02] <towo`> you try to repair grub, if you have a fstab error?
• 3866[21:30:16] <towo`> seems like nonsense
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• 3868[21:30:20] <netzach> I was told to do that, and yesterday it worked for some reason
• 3869[21:30:22] <netzach> but today it doesn';t
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• 3872[21:31:40] <towo`> maybe it would be better, fixing the fstab?
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• 3877[21:32:55] <netzach> nvm I did it again and it works now
• 3878[21:33:05] <netzach> instead of doing it by-id I gave up and used /dev/sdd
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• 3880[21:33:45] <jmcnaught> Henry151: last time I checked out i3wm the user was responsible for configurating all keyboard shortcuts including multimedia keys, and brightness keys. You could try lookin for other people's i3wm configs on github and other sites like it, lots of people like to publish their conf files (not just for i3wm)
• 3881[21:33:50] <teraflops> netzach: it was you yesterday having the same issue?
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• 3883[21:34:30] <teraflops> because,if it was you, I already told you how to fix it but you refused to read what I said
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• 3892[21:36:38] <teraflops> Henry151: replaced-url
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• 3894[21:37:16] <netzach> teraflops: I reinstalled debian cause I was missing firwmare
• 3895[21:37:28] <netzach> ok I had the network plugged in during install and everything worked
• 3896[21:37:30] <teraflops> it was you indeed
• 3897[21:37:39] <netzach> I had to unplug it to plug it to this computer, and then I logged in into debian
• 3898[21:37:43] <Henry151> thanks for the guidance folks
• 3899[21:37:43] <netzach> no destop manager
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• 3901[21:37:51] <Henry151> however, while I know how to set keyboard shortcuts
• 3902[21:37:54] <netzach> and now there is no internet, ping fails, aptget update fails
• 3903[21:37:58] <Henry151> I don't know how to adjust the display brightness :D
• 3904[21:38:00] <netzach> but when I do ip link it shows the network as up
• 3905[21:38:15] <netzach> from what I understand without a desktop manager it doesn't connect when you plug the cable?
• 3906[21:38:16] <Henry151> if I knew how to adjust / view the brightness from the terminal, I could set keyboard bindings to do so
• 3907[21:38:17] <tytan> netzach: what does your ipconfig say?
• 3908[21:38:19] <netzach> it must be plugged when booting?
• 3909[21:38:23] <netzach> I don't have ipconfig?
• 3910[21:38:28] <netzach> let me see brb have to replug the keyboard
• 3911[21:38:31] <Henry151> so I'm here to find out how/where I can adjust the brightness from in a terminal
• 3912[21:38:46] <teraflops> Henry151: you can use it xbacklight, but if youre using intel + modesetting it wont work
• 3913[21:38:50] <n4dir> Henry151: try this replaced-url
• 3914[21:38:53] <teraflops> s/it/
• 3915[21:39:23] <netzach> I don't have ipconfig tytan
• 3916[21:39:26] <netzach> I hvave ip
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• 3918[21:39:34] <netzach> when I unplugged it showed an warning like nic copper down
• 3919[21:39:45] <netzach> it worked during install,
• 3920[21:39:54] <netzach> does debian without a desktop manager connect when you plug in the cable?
• 3921[21:39:55] <jmcnaught> ipconfig is a windows command, no?
• 3922[21:40:01] <netzach> ifconfig?
• 3923[21:40:07] <n4dir> i just do "dhclient eth0", but would not know if that has changed with the ip commands
• 3924[21:40:27] <`Kevin> ipconfig = windows ;|
• 3925[21:40:31] <`Kevin> ifconfig is old
• 3926[21:40:34] <`Kevin> ip r; ip link; ip a l
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• 3928[21:40:49] <tytan> yeah, sorry. i mixed them up ...
• 3929[21:40:51] <`Kevin> do you have an ip on the appropriate interface ^, so you also have a default route?
• 3930[21:40:53] <jmcnaught> dhclient should still work for a one-off, but it's not how you want to configure networking for the long term
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• 3932[21:41:01] <teraflops> Henry151: fisrt check if you can use xf86brightness* names in the config file
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• 3934[21:41:40] <n4dir> jmcnaught: i understood that he wanted to quickly connect assuming the cable was not plugged when booting
• 3935[21:41:47] <teraflops> maybe your backlight is not working, it happens depending on your hw/kernel version
• 3936[21:42:15] <n4dir> and if the cable is blugged, it already is configured. duh
• 3937[21:42:27] <Henry151> teraflops: it was working with xfce.. in fact if I close i3 and lauch xfce it works fine
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• 3939[21:42:43] <Henry151> i thought there was a systemctl command to see info about brightness
• 3940[21:43:29] <teraflops> Henry151: then try using XF86Brightness
• 3941[21:43:36] <teraflops> instead the actual keycode
• 3942[21:44:07] <Henry151> teraflops: I type xf86brightness into the terminal?
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• 3945[21:44:26] <teraflops> Henry151: nope, in i3.config
• 3946[21:44:29] <Henry151> oh
• 3947[21:44:37] <Henry151> I don't want to configure i3 keyboard shortcuts for it
• 3948[21:44:39] <teraflops> Henry151: go read some i3.config files
• 3949[21:44:41] <Henry151> I want to adjust it from the terminal
• 3950[21:44:46] <Henry151> manually
• 3951[21:44:50] <`Kevin> netzach: if you unplug a cable and then plug it back in dhclient doesn't know so it doesn't ask for a new IP
• 3952[21:45:00] <`Kevin> netzach: ifplugd would help you in this case
• 3953[21:45:04] <Henry151> I'm not asking for help with i3 :/ I'm asking how to adjust the brightness from the terminal
• 3954[21:45:25] <`Kevin> netzach: otherwise down + up the interface to restart dhclient
• 3955[21:45:34] <teraflops> Henry151: take a look at replaced-url
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• 3957[21:45:52] <teraflops> Henry151: you can ask google instead :P
• 3958[21:46:00] <Henry151> I see when I type "apropos brightness" that I have systemd-backlight stuff, and somthing called xfpm-power-backlight-helper , which I think must be it
• 3959[21:46:22] <Henry151> teraflops: lol I broke up with google the other day we're not talking to each other right now
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• 4026[22:09:56] <teo_> if i put jessie contrib and non free on whezly version have a problem ?
• 4027[22:10:33] <jmcnaught> teo_: you cannot mix Debian releases, it's one or the other. If you add jessie repos you need to upgrade to jessie.
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• 4032[22:11:21] <n4dir> jessie being old-stable and wheezy being even older than old ?
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• 4035[22:11:57] <n4dir> probably, duh. I can't see a good reason to run debian older than old-stable.
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• 4039[22:13:01] <klys> if you want wheezy and older you can get them at replaced-url
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• 4041[22:13:33] <teo_> if i put jessie contrib and non free on whezly version have a problem ? one user is say no problem other user it say problem.....what is going ????????
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• 4045[22:14:08] <klys> you *might* have a problem, depending on what packages you choose to install.
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• 4048[22:14:33] <n4dir> well: it will probably stay like that. one user says this, the other a different thing. what jmcnaught is your best bet, imho
• 4049[22:14:34] <teo_> yesterday other user is send me photo with streche version
• 4050[22:14:57] <netzach> sorry for long tiem
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• 4052[22:15:15] <teo_> today other user is say all my lines on sources + 2 other
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• 4054[22:15:22] <towo`> teo_, as of yesterday, don't mix debian releases!
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• 4056[22:15:30] <teo_> all src in
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• 4058[22:15:33] <netzach> `Kevin: how come when I install a linux with a desktop manager it handles unplugging/plugging of the cable
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• 4063[22:16:04] <teo_> yesterday other user it say no dep-src ....... you play something ?????tiki taka tiki taka ?
• 4064[22:16:12] <`Kevin> netzach: network manager im guessing is installed and/or the package i mentioned ifplugd
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• 4067[22:16:55] <towo`> teo_, there is no dep-src, there is no whezly
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• 4069[22:17:15] <n4dir> there is tiki taka though. but only for the enlightened
• 4070[22:17:17] <towo`> teo_, and i would assume, even today you don't have debian, you have linuxcnc
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• 4083[22:19:00] <jmcnaught> teo_: my advice from yesterday still stands. Instead of struggling with linuxcnc's custom distro based on 4-5 year old Debian, you should try using Debian stretch which unlike jessie has a preempt_rt kernel packaged for it, and then install the linuxcnc software on top of that
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• 4085[22:19:10] <teraflops> teo_: where are you from? tiki taka sounds spanish
• 4086[22:19:11] <teo_> Some here, all you know to do is blame but you do not help at all
• 4087[22:19:32] <teraflops> we can help you with debian
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• 4091[22:20:31] <sharp15> is stretch configured not to respond to pings by default?
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• 4093[22:20:40] <teraflops> sharp15: nope
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• 4095[22:21:16] <sharp15> then i'm really confused.
• 4096[22:21:52] <sharp15> i did an upgrade from jessie to stretch. now it isn't responding to outside contact from the LAN. the browser can contact google.com just fine.
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• 4102[22:22:50] <sharp15> teraflops: ty. i'll remember my manners at some point.
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• 4104[22:23:16] <netzach> `Kevin: why wouldn't it be installed by default tho? I'd expect it by default to handle an ethernet cable unplugging :(
• 4105[22:23:27] <n4dir> sharp15: first things first. are you sure you ping the right IP ?
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• 4109[22:24:15] <`Kevin> netzach: im guessing you did a minimal install which by default doesn't install much of anything outside of the bare minimum to run debian, outside of that its up to you to add what you need :P
• 4110[22:24:15] <teraflops> sharp15: hard to tell, we dont know about your network
• 4111[22:24:48] <jmcnaught> sharp15: are you trying to ping from another computer on the same LAN, or from outside your LAN?
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• 4114[22:24:59] <`Kevin> netzach: not everyone uses dhcp, everyone doesn't need it
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• 4119[22:25:50] <johnkeates> if you're not gonna eat that dhcp, i'll take it
• 4120[22:26:41] <sharp15> teraflops, jmcnaught: same lan. really boring nat router otherwise nothing interesting.
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• 4124[22:27:08] <johnkeates> sharp15: does it show up in tcpdump and what are your routes? sometimes packets go in, but out the wrong interface/ip because of bad routes
• 4125[22:27:26] <teraflops> lan as in local lan at home or corporate network?
• 4126[22:27:28] <johnkeates> most often happens with multiple interfaces or IPs and routes, and DHCP overriding the default gateway
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• 4130[22:28:32] <netzach> `Kevin: well other than the minimal install and the ssh and web or print server the rest that it proposed to me was a desktop manager which I didn't want to
• 4131[22:28:55] <netzach> `Kevin: so which packages should I install to make it work best? I mean to have the bare functionality, is there a list of packages somewhere?
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• 4140[22:31:19] <`Kevin> netzach: no this is where your style of administration/engineering come into play, you have to get familiar with how you prefer to run the system... if you are using dhcp then setup ifplugd + test it, once thats going install whatever editor(s) you prefer VIM,EMACS etc ..
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• 4142[22:31:45] <`Kevin> netzach: i cant say what to install without knowing exactly what you are doing and the setup/network etc and that would be to my preference
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• 4144[22:32:41] <tripkin> Hi all, I just moved from the nouveau drivers to nvidia-driver, and now the audio/sounds are missing - I cannot get a volume control to appear on the top bar, and I get no audio through teamviewer (this is a remote computer). I see both the integrated Intel card and the Nvidia audio controller. Any ideas on where to go from here?
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• 4147[22:33:14] <jmcnaught> tripkin: did you try pavucontrol?
• 4148[22:33:24] <netzach> `Kevin: but I didn't eve know about ifplugd, the vps I've used all install a bunch of packages by default, and the same is true for the linux + desktop manager I've used
• 4149[22:33:25] <tripkin> Not yet, but I will right now
• 4150[22:33:32] <netzach> so this is all new to me, I'd never have expected it to miss so many packages
• 4151[22:33:33] <`Kevin> netzach: just sort out the basics, get things up/running reboot.. pull cables etc see if it works after rebooting or plugging a cable back in etc .. once its stable you can go from there
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• 4153[22:33:54] <netzach> unfortunately I am still trying to get the temperature, apparently lm-seconds doesn't really support my server
• 4154[22:34:00] <netzach> and I am trying to install hp tools but they don't work etiehr
• 4155[22:34:03] <netzach> so it's all sadness
• 4156[22:34:18] <netzach> what do you mean by up and running `Kevin ? if I can login it's all good?
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• 4159[22:34:51] <`Kevin> netzach: i didnt either, i rarely use DHCP on linux but some quick googling and debian packages site led me to ifplugd .. otoh i know network manager works well as an alternative if you dont want todo things in etc/networks
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• 4161[22:35:38] <tripkin> jmcnaught, I only have the nvidia controller visible on the output devices tab. Does this mean the intel drivers have been disabled?
• 4162[22:35:41] <netzach> `Kevin: you rarely use DHCP? how do you managge otherwise
• 4163[22:35:43] <jmcnaught> NetworkManager works without a desktop environment or GUI. It has nmcli and nmtui commands.
• 4164[22:35:51] <`Kevin> netzach: up and running as in everything is running the way you need it to run and it is able to get back to that state fully on reboot on pulling a cable like you said etc ... its a learning process
• 4165[22:35:59] <netzach> `Kevin: how can I monitor temperatures on a proliant hp server? I installed hp-health but it doesn't work
• 4166[22:36:00] <`Kevin> netzach: static IPs often
• 4167[22:36:10] <`Kevin> netzach: like I said its all preference
• 4168[22:36:25] <netzach> what do you mena on pulling a cable? you mean the ethernet cable?
• 4169[22:36:42] <`Kevin> netzach: yea whatever you were mentioning before for example
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• 4171[22:37:29] <`Kevin> netzach: thats how you found out what needs fixed, the more you go about learning in that way the more you will pickup and be self sufficient
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• 4173[22:38:00] <jmcnaught> tripkin: I don't know why or how that could have happened. Is it listed if you run 'aplay -l'?
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• 4179[22:38:56] <tripkin> jmcnaught, yes - it is card 0 and the nvidia is card 1 with that command
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• 4181[22:39:13] <tripkin> The intel is analog and the nvidia is hdmi
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• 4184[22:40:07] <netzach> `Kevin: but it should work, I have no idea why it doesn't googling didn't help
• 4185[22:40:15] <netzach> I suspect their packages are no longer properly functioning
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• 4187[22:40:35] <tripkin> Sorry, jmcnaught, it does appear on the output devices if I actually scroll down.
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• 4190[22:41:59] <jmcnaught> tripkin: cool. If you're using GNOME you can also use the Sound settings to configure this, but pavucontrol works too. You should be able to select which output to use on a per-application basis
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• 4194[22:43:45] <tripkin> jmcnaught, I now have a volume control, which is cool. I still get no audio over teamviewer, so I will wait for my buddy to come home so he can verify if there is audio. Thanks for your help!
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• 4196[22:45:28] <netzach> help me please `Kevin
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• 4198[22:45:42] <sharp15> teraflops, johnkeates: local residential router (DSL/WiFi/Ethernet combo). there really is nothing to misconfigure. routes look fine outbound. but i can't contact anything internal.
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• 4201[22:46:34] <jmcnaught> sharp15: do any computer on the LAN respond to pings?
• 4202[22:46:43] <sharp15> jmcnaught: nothing so far.
• 4203[22:47:01] <sharp15> jmcnaught: only pinging themselves or the default gateway.
• 4204[22:47:07] <teraflops> sharp15: lets clarify, when you say internal you mean another machine/device on the _lan_ is unable to reach you?
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• 4207[22:47:18] <sharp15> teraflops: correct.
• 4208[22:47:28] <teraflops> but you can ping them?
• 4209[22:47:34] <sharp15> teraflops: no.
• 4210[22:47:36] <teraflops> ah
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• 4212[22:47:50] <teraflops> sharp15: so what your ip addr?
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• 4214[22:48:09] <teraflops> ip a
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• 4216[22:48:38] <teraflops> also are you sure you can ping lets say google.com?
• 4217[22:49:05] <teraflops> so many thing to check, wireless or wired?
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• 4219[22:49:07] <sharp15> teraflops: fair point. i cannot ping google either.
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• 4222[22:49:24] <teraflops> ok what about `ip a` output?
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• 4231[22:50:44] <teraflops> maybe be ping 8.8.8.8 worth a try, but since you say you cannot ping stuff in your local lan by ip…
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• 4235[22:52:34] <sharp15> teraflops: pinging 8.8.8.8 didn't work either. the 'ip a' worked as normal. both have ip addresses in locally routable ranges.
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• 4238[22:53:13] <teraflops> sharp15: how do you get ip address there?
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• 4241[22:53:24] <teraflops> try setting it up by hand
• 4242[22:53:35] <teraflops> using another one
• 4243[22:53:37] <sharp15> teraflops: dhcp.
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• 4245[22:54:00] <disi> is there a way to ask for a minimum version with apt-get? sudo apt-get install 'foo>=1.2.3'
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• 4247[22:54:57] <teraflops> do you have repos with different version numbers of same packages?
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• 4256[22:59:34] <sharp15> teraflops: i might. i had to add multi-arch on one system to use my printer. it just worked after "dpkg --add-architecture i386"
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• 4258[23:00:22] * teraflops shrugs
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• 4262[23:02:05] <sharp15> does that mean you're out of ideas?
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• 4268[23:03:45] <johnkeates> tcpdump
• 4269[23:03:47] <johnkeates> use it
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• 4278[23:07:28] <teraflops> sharp15: set up ip addr and route manually
• 4279[23:08:00] <teraflops> then start pinging
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• 4282[23:08:40] <teraflops> arp -a should help too
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• 4288[23:09:31] <netzach> teraflops: can you help me instead?
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• 4292[23:10:00] <teraflops> I thought I was helping you
• 4293[23:10:24] <netzach> I mean related to this replaced-url
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• 4295[23:11:05] <teraflops> this is archlinux?
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• 4298[23:12:50] <netzach> err I get that same error on debian teraflops
• 4299[23:12:58] <teraflops> netzach: not really it's late here and I'm about to leave
• 4300[23:13:01] <teraflops> sorry mate
• 4301[23:13:07] <netzach> ok :(
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• 4305[23:14:03] <sharp15> teraflops: i'm going to assume something crashed in my router and restart it. i'll be gone for a minute.
• 4306[23:14:41] <teraflops> yeah
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• 4313[23:17:07] <teo_> iam on a very slow server, how can i stop the update ? without broken my system ?
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• 4319[23:17:44] <sharp15> teraflops: ok. problem fixed. it was the router.
• 4320[23:17:52] <teraflops> heh, good shot
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• 4322[23:18:23] <sharp15> its internal dns server was not responding. which means i probably need a new router.
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• 4324[23:18:59] <m3rlin> teo: it's fine when you cancel update. But, if you cancel while packages installing, you got system crash
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• 4327[23:19:32] <teo_> nvidia drivers update and slow ?
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• 4329[23:19:36] <m3rlin> teo: I mean when downloading packages for update
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• 4332[23:19:49] <teraflops> sharp15: those ISP plastic routers can be a pain in the ass
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• 4340[23:20:22] <m3rlin> teo: while installing a packages, isn't?
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• 4342[23:20:32] <sharp15> teraflops: given how old the thing is i would bet it is probably worse than that. i'll be looking into a new one.
• 4343[23:20:54] <teo_> yes
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• 4348[23:22:38] <jhutchins> sharp15: You can run your own DNS server. Only problem is overriding the DNS server provided by the router's dhcp.
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• 4350[23:22:44] <m3rlin> teo: it's depend size packages, a lot size can take longer moment to finishing installation
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• 4354[23:24:43] <m3rlin> teo: after installation nvidia drivers, you should reboot your system for optimal performance
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• 4361[23:27:54] <phinxy> Trying to find where to specify for the kernel/initrd the device for where to put root.
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• 4364[23:28:10] <sharp15> jhutchins: or i go looking to see if the wrt compatible routers still exist.
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• 4367[23:28:49] <sharp15> all who were involved: thank you for your help.
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• 4369[23:28:57] <jhutchins> sharp15: wrt is pretty shabby these days, you have to follow the development and figure out which file is actually the current file, there's no release managememt or update procedure.
• 4370[23:29:24] <sharp15> jhutchins: any of their competitors still in one piece?
• 4371[23:29:25] <jhutchins> sharp15: On the other hand, most major brands are running a kind of linux.
• 4372[23:29:47] <sharp15> i guess i could look at soekris.
• 4373[23:29:50] <teraflops> sharp15: not that hard, you just need a 24x7 device doing dns, I do unbound + dnscrypt, then tell the router to give the dns you want
• 4374[23:30:03] <jhutchins> sharp15: Linksys/Cisco are, and I think Asus as well.
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• 4376[23:30:12] <phinxy> extlinux.conf have the parameter root=LABEL=linux-root, can this be changed to /dev/sda1 ?
• 4377[23:30:13] <teraflops> or you just can run dns cache on each machine
• 4378[23:30:23] <teraflops> unbound or whatever
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• 4384[23:31:44] <vrd1> Has anyone here used virt manager? Anyone has installed windows guest with virtio drivers and spice?
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• 4387[23:32:25] <jmcnaught> vrd1: I have
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• 4393[23:34:54] <vrd1> jmcnaught: can i ask for a bit of help? I'm really confused about how i should install virtio drivers and spice in a windows guest
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• 4395[23:35:24] <vrd1> in the sense that, both this iso replaced-url
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• 4397[23:35:44] <vrd1> so now i cannot know which ones to install
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• 4401[23:36:58] <phinxy> Instead of passing /dev/sda1 to the kernel does a hard drive have a unique ID you can pass instead?
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• 4404[23:37:12] <jhutchins> phinxy: If you actually told us what you were trying to do we might be able to figure out what you're asking.
• 4405[23:37:20] <jhutchins> phinxy: Yes, you can use the UUID in grub.
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• 4411[23:38:14] <jmcnaught> vrd1: from memory, the first time I used one of the virtio-win.iso from that fedora wiki page and Windows either found the drivers there, and the second time I used spice-guest-tools from replaced-url
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• 4416[23:38:55] <phinxy> epic
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• 4426[23:41:32] <sharp15> im less worried about linux and more worried about continuing updates and working off switches for subsystems.
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• 4431[23:45:14] <jhutchins> sharp15: Go with a good current commercial install then. My Linksys has a "check for updates" button.
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• 4433[23:45:36] <jhutchins> sharp15: I wouldn't go for something under $100 and expect reliability or durability.
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• 4437[23:47:33] <n4dir> doing /msg dpkg somestuff ; i don't get no reaction. for a few days. Am i doing it wrong or is it like that?
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• 4443[23:49:33] <jmcnaught> n4dir: dpkg just responded to me. Are you using IRC usermode +g (caller id) perhaps and you need to /accept dpkg?
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• 4446[23:50:42] <Laserburn> I'm curious what folks have transitioned to since the death of Nagios on debian
• 4447[23:50:44] <jhutchins> !botsnack
• 4448[23:50:45] <dpkg> thanks, jhutchins
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• 4450[23:50:58] <johnkeates> !coffee
• 4451[23:50:58] <dpkg> somebody said coffee was the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, replaced-url
• 4452[23:51:02] <Laserburn> what are you guys using for network device and server monitoring?
• 4453[23:51:02] <teo_> iam on debian root directory without graphics how can i go on graphicw ?
• 4454[23:51:07] <teo_> iam on debian root directory without graphics how can i go on graphics ?
• 4455[23:51:10] <jhutchins> n4dir: dpkg has been on break occasionally in the past few days.
• 4456[23:51:21] <johnkeates> dpkg, coffee
• 4457[23:51:21] <dpkg> well, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, replaced-url
• 4458[23:51:32] <johnkeates> yeah, it's not broken today
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• 4460[23:51:38] <johnkeates> but it was yesterday
• 4461[23:52:00] <jhutchins> teo_: The most common way is to install a graphical desktop environment and let the dm load that at boot.
• 4462[23:52:00] <n4dir> jmcnaught: i for one sure didn't do something like usermode + g, at least not in the last days or weeks (or even months). I am lousy when it comes to IRC
• 4463[23:52:05] <johnkeates> we also have judd, but judd doesn't have coffee
• 4464[23:52:08] <johnkeates> judd,coffee
• 4465[23:52:25] <teo_> how can i do that ?
• 4466[23:52:49] <jhutchins> teo_: Usually by checking the desktop feature when you run the installer.
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• 4468[23:53:00] <n4dir> jmcnaught: i tried exactly /accept dpkg; but i get an "command not found"
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• 4470[23:53:35] <jhutchins> teo_: I suspect you may not be telling us things we need to know, like how you got to where you are now.
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• 4472[23:53:49] <LtL> jhutchins: teo_ is running linuxcnc, i'm afraid if he installs debian packages he'll bork his system.
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• 4475[23:54:09] <n4dir> !good
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• 4478[23:55:16] <LtL> jhutchins: he's been warned ~50 times
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• 4481[23:56:10] <LtL> his system already sounds DOA
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• 4484[23:58:11] <LtL> teo_: have you read this document? replaced-url
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