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• 2[00:00:17] <liplit> "ext4magic" shows a list of all deleted files. for security, how can I wipe those names to avoid "ext4magic" or other software read them. thank you
• 3[00:00:19] <PUPPY> hey kiddos
• 4[00:00:30] <psiklops> iLogic, Kewl !
• 5[00:00:35] <PUPPY> hey kiddos
• 6[00:00:42] <xormor> supertux2 is a nice game - it can be installed with "sudo aptitude install -t jessie-backports supertux".
• 7[00:00:56] <PUPPY> so i wanna install debian,, my dudes,, but the website is confusing me
• 8[00:01:05] <PUPPY> like i have a USB?? it's like 4gb
• 9[00:01:38] <psiklops> iLogic, you seen this site: replaced-url
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• 11[00:01:45] <g0zzy> Use net install. You can pull down the packages later
• 12[00:01:49] <somiaj> liplit: seems it is using the journal to get this info, you could just not use a journal.
• 13[00:01:55] <g0zzy> (after installing a base system)
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• 15[00:02:10] <PUPPY> where is the net install?
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• 17[00:02:26] <iLogic> psiklops: will check it, but i'm trying to use the certificate with dovecot too, does it apply?
• 18[00:02:26] <somiaj> !netinstall
• 19[00:02:27] <dpkg> netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 20[00:02:31] <PUPPY> i'm extremely new to linux; i have only used linux mint and manjaro
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• 22[00:02:50] <g0zzy> replaced-url
• 23[00:02:50] <JDM> hello I just install anope, services, Where is the o-lines from the config, location?
• 24[00:03:00] <PUPPY> oh DOPE it just downloaded
• 25[00:03:04] <PUPPY> thanks my man
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• 28[00:03:35] <g0zzy> (other architectures available)
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• 31[00:04:38] <liplit> somiaj: I don't know what magic "ext4magic" does, but it list all deleted filenames. should I clean the journal?
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• 33[00:05:16] <psiklops> iLogic, it should. This guy can do it: replaced-url
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• 36[00:06:47] <acheron-a> <<-- can't wait till Debian 9 is done ;)
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• 39[00:07:12] <psiklops> iLogic, and this one too: replaced-url
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• 41[00:07:20] <r4f_debian> Please, I was told to add line 'init=bin/sh' to the end of it (to the end of script in the grub menu command line ?
• 42[00:08:03] <r4f_debian> the 2º procedure was too difficult to be understood: ' fsck your root file system'... where should I use fsck, if I had to make changes in the grub menu command line ? so, if was the case to do it in the grub menu command line, why it didn't work ?
• 43[00:08:05] <davascript> i compile all my code with --funroll-sec-loopz just to be extra sure
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• 46[00:09:06] <somiaj> liplit: in general you don't want to do this, the journal is useful if your machine crashes and you want to recover the filesystem.
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• 49[00:09:34] <somiaj> liplit: replaced-url
• 50[00:09:36] <psiklops> r4f_debian, replaced-url
• 51[00:10:14] <somiaj> liplit: that might help, but journal filesystems are part of the advantage of ext3 or ext4 over ext2, the journal keeps a log of how the file system inodes change, which of course allows programs like ext4magic to look over the journal and see the changes, and then provided the data wasn't overwritten recover stuff.
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• 53[00:10:38] <somiaj> liplit: note you maybe able to make it so non-root users can't read the journal and ext4magic may not work unless you have root premissions -- unsure if this is possible or the details
• 54[00:10:42] <liplit> somiaj: I deleted the "/var/log/journal" files, but "ext4magic" still listing ALL deleted files.
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• 56[00:11:35] <somiaj> I don't think /var/log/journal is the filesystem journal
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• 58[00:11:44] <somiaj> these aren't logs, these are part of the filesystem.
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• 60[00:12:25] <somiaj> I'm not sure on the details. replaced-url
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• 64[00:14:16] <iLogic> psiklops: very cool, thanks for the tips!!
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• 70[00:17:53] <ArchDebian> "ext4magic" shows a list of all deleted files. For security, how can I Wipe those names to avoid "ext4magic" or other software list deleted filenames? thank you.
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• 73[00:18:24] <nickgaw> Hi, My live disc works fine the only thing that does not start as early as possible is espeakup how can I change it to start as early as possible and have my sound modules and alsa start up as early as possible rather after most other tasks?
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• 80[00:21:49] <somiaj> ArchDebian: wasn't I just answering this question, either disable or delete the ext4 journal.
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• 82[00:23:59] <ArchDebian> somiaj: yes, this is the correct way, not I'm trying find the security way to clean the filesystem Journal.
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• 84[00:24:39] <r4f_debian> pkiklogs, thanks for help and great support provided !
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• 86[00:24:56] <r4f_debian> now It's more clear for me, and I think it will be possible to fix this issue
• 87[00:25:01] <r4f_debian> really thanks !!
• 88[00:25:05] <somiaj> unsure here, replaced-url
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• 92[00:26:31] <somiaj> ArchDebian: you could use tune2fs to remove the journal, fsck the filesystem, then add a journal back to it, it should create a new clean journal. I don't nkow enough about journaling on ext4 to say what is the best way to deal with this.
• 93[00:26:42] <somiaj> most prefer the journal as it helps if your system crashes and you need to recover a filesystem.
• 94[00:28:14] <ArchDebian> somiaj: thank you, I'll try do that
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• 96[00:29:22] <r4f_debian> bye all !
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• 108[00:36:03] <ArchDebian> somiaj: "sudo journalctl --vacuum-time=1s && sudo journalctl --vacuum-size=1K && sudo systemctl restart systemd-journald && journalctl -u systemd-resolved" doesn't work
• 109[00:36:37] <somiaj> ArchDebian: of course it dosen't. And that is not what I suggested
• 110[00:36:50] <somiaj> journalctl is for the logs on the system. This is not the ext4 journal, which is something different.
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• 112[00:37:25] <somiaj> I think you aren't fully understanding what the filesystem journal is, this is part of the filesystem (it isn't a file on the file system)
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• 116[00:38:25] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 118[00:38:58] <nickgaw> Where is a good place to get assistance with bootcd?
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• 120[00:39:52] <somiaj> ArchDebian: "The journal inode is typically inode 8. The first 68 bytes of the journal inode are replicated in the ext4 superblock. The journal itself is normal (but hidden) file within the filesystem. The file usually consumes an entire block group, though mke2fs tries to put it in the middle of the disk."
• 121[00:40:49] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 129[00:46:09] <ArchDebian> somiaj: thank you, I'll work more in this issue
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• 146[00:53:37] <wongon> Has anyone else had this issue? On debian, I hold down the left shift key, then press some arrow key, intending to highlight a bunch of text. Instead, the mouse pointer turns into a + sign. No idea why. I checked the shortcut keys in settings and cannot find this key combo.
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• 152[00:55:41] <pingfloyd> wongon: in which program?
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• 159[00:57:26] <wongon> no limited to any program in particular.
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• 161[00:58:05] <wongon> but I'm in gnome, using a text editor
• 162[00:58:24] <somiaj> which text editor? gedit?
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• 165[00:59:24] <pingfloyd> maybe it's an accessibility setting turned on
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• 194[01:20:40] <bogo_> anyone here?
• 195[01:20:55] <mtn> never
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• 197[01:21:01] <bogo_> nice
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• 199[01:21:09] <mtn> 1697 nobodys
• 200[01:21:11] <bogo_> replaced-url
• 201[01:21:19] <bogo_> I am trying to do this
• 202[01:21:48] <bogo_> but I am getting an error when I try to do sudo apt-get install certbot -t jessie-backports
• 203[01:22:18] <bogo_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 204[01:22:18] <bogo_> certbot : Depends: python-certbot (= 0.9.3-1~bpo8+2) but it is not going to be installed
• 205[01:22:18] <bogo_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
• 206[01:23:07] <bogo_> is it missing something now or what?
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• 209[01:28:25] <bogo_> is it a problem with the file?
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• 211[01:29:05] <mtn> bogo_: can you install python-certbot from backports?
• 212[01:29:24] <bogo_> how do I do that?
• 213[01:30:03] <mtn> bogo_: you just pasted a backports install command. same way with the other package name ;)
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• 225[01:33:06] <bogo_> apt-get install python-certbot ?
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• 227[01:33:15] <bogo_> is that what you want?
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• 230[01:33:58] <mtn> bogo_: no. look up. you pasted "sudo apt-get install certbot -t jessie-backports" change cerbot to python-cerbot
• 231[01:34:31] <dbuduru> bye
• 232[01:34:34] <dbuduru> exit
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• 235[01:35:21] <bogo_> E: Unable to locate package python-cerbot
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• 238[01:35:36] <mirsone> hi
• 239[01:35:49] <mirsone> i am new here
• 240[01:35:53] <bazhang> ,v python-certbot
• 241[01:35:54] <judd> Package: python-certbot on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.3-1~bpo8+2; stretch: 0.10.2-1; sid: 0.11.1-1; experimental: 0.12.0-1
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• 248[01:37:17] <bogo_> python-certbot : Depends: python-acme (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed
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• 250[01:37:36] <bogo_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
• 251[01:39:02] <bogo_> I think backports is in the process of updating but broke it again maybe?
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• 258[01:42:55] <bogo_> OK maybe certbot is broke?
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• 265[01:46:39] <bogo_> I see I am not the only one having issues
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• 269[01:52:14] <bogo_> OK then
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• 484[04:12:02] <PHahrrgis> My machine (thinkcentre edge 71) will only boot a mint liveusb (from unetbootin), windows 7 (from the disk) or the debian installer. It doesn't recognize either mint or debian after they say they're finished installing. Is there a magic bullet to fix this and get it to boot? I tried putting the bootx64.efi from the usb into /EFI/BOOT and nothing changed. The error it gives me is 1962: no operating system found. Trying to do a wipe and install of
• 485[04:12:02] <PHahrrgis> mint, and if that works, debian. I don't have data to waste and mint installs without the net.
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• 492[04:16:44] <Dreaman> PHahrrgis win 7 start or not
• 493[04:17:09] <PHahrrgis> yeah it boots
• 494[04:17:20] <Dreaman> rufus download creat usb boot stick restart bios farst boot usb and install
• 495[04:17:34] <Dreaman> but
• 496[04:17:52] <Dreaman> creat boot part and swap and root
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• 499[04:19:22] <Dreaman> replaced-url
• 500[04:19:27] <Dreaman> see my system
• 501[04:19:47] <Dreaman> in debian same
• 502[04:19:54] <dvs> PHahrrgis, install the system as if it's installed on a removable device.
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• 504[04:20:39] <PHahrrgis> dvs: is that an option in the debian installer?
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• 506[04:22:12] <dvs> PHahrrgis, it was when I was installing it using the UEFI boot option
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• 509[04:23:10] <PHahrrgis> thanks fella; I'll try that
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• 543[04:51:04] <kus> anyone seen something like this? debian stable display won't start if I connect vga or hdmi on a lenovo y510p laptop with nvidia GT750M graphics card [ 20.092579] nouveau E[ PBUS][0000:07:00.0] MMIO write of 0x00000002 FAULT at 0x4188ac [ IBUS ]
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• 629[05:57:39] <cjbayliss> join ##c
• 630[05:58:19] <cjbayliss> sorry, thats ^ unitentional imput
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• 639[06:02:23] <nvdr> cjbayliss: lol, I've done that too.
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• 641[06:03:46] <cjbayliss> I fotgot to put a '/' in front xD
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• 643[06:04:00] <nvdr> Yup, lol. Been there.
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• 645[06:04:32] <Rusty1_> he meant ##c#
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• 708[06:50:18] <Renari> Hi guys I'm trying to debug an xorg segfault however according to the xorg documentation I should install xserver-xor-core-dbg, it seems this package doesn't exist though.
• 709[06:50:30] <gry> ,v xserver-xor-core-dbg
• 710[06:50:35] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xor-core-dbg' was found in amd64.
• 711[06:50:42] <Renari> Er that's xorg
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• 713[06:50:49] <gry> ,v xserver-xorg-core-dbg
• 714[06:50:52] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-core-dbg on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1
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• 716[06:51:06] <gry> how come it does not exist for you?
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• 718[06:51:18] <Renari> I'm going to assume because I'm on testing. :\
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• 722[06:53:18] <Renari> replaced-url
• 723[06:53:28] <Renari> Seems testing is the only branch that it's missing from.
• 724[06:53:37] <Renari> Guess I'm out of luck.
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• 728[06:54:54] <pragomer_1> I cannot install kdenlive under stretch. I get an apt error message about: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdenlive-data_1%3a17.04.0-dmo1_all.deb
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• 730[06:55:44] <autofsckk> Renari: good night, can you explain me a little please on how you can use different packages from jessie testing and whatever you like? a friend of mine was explaining that to me, that you can put like % on what you like of each repositories? is that true?
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• 733[06:56:45] <Renari> I'm not sure what you're asking me.
• 734[06:57:51] <gry> maybe pinning
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• 737[07:00:08] <pragomer_1> I get this error message when I try to install kdenlive via synaptic:
• 738[07:00:08] <pragomer_1> replaced-url
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• 740[07:01:26] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 741[07:01:26] <dpkg> [dont break debian] replaced-url
• 742[07:01:47] <somiaj> you do not want to mix packages from jessie and testing and whatever you like, you will break things.
• 743[07:01:51] <somiaj> and it won't be supported here
• 744[07:01:55] <somiaj> !frakendebian
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• 746[07:02:46] <somiaj> !frakendebian
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• 748[07:02:54] <somiaj> !frankendebian
• 749[07:02:54] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 750[07:02:56] <somiaj> arg
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• 758[07:07:13] <Renari> .checkbackport xserver-xorg-core-dbg
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• 762[07:07:32] <Renari> ,checkbackport xserver-xorg-core-dbg
• 763[07:07:38] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xorg-core-dbg' was found in sid/amd64.
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• 765[07:08:03] <Renari> ,checkbackport xserver-xorg-core-dbg:i386
• 766[07:08:04] <uxfi> ,checkbackport dovecot
• 767[07:08:04] <judd> No package named 'xserver-xorg-core-dbg:i386' was found in sid/amd64.
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• 770[07:08:25] <judd> Backporting package dovecot in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual, jessie-backports.
• 771[07:08:54] <Renari> How would I check for backporting sid to testing?
• 772[07:09:05] <Renari> This is reporting for jessie which the package exists already.
• 773[07:09:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> krakendebian?
• 774[07:09:44] <Renari> stretch?
• 775[07:10:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't think you usually need to check backporting unstable to testing
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• 778[07:10:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> those two are staying so close together that it's normal to mix packages
• 779[07:11:23] <Renari> I thought that wasn't the case currently since testing was preparing for debian 9 release.
• 780[07:12:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> packages still migrate to testing via unstable
• 781[07:12:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> it just means that unstable gets less updates
• 782[07:12:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, slushy
• 783[07:12:15] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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• 785[07:13:53] <Renari> So what is the correct way to install a package from sid then? The internet will tell you to add the sid repo to your sources.list but this isn't really desireable.
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• 787[07:14:08] <gry> pinning or backporting
• 788[07:14:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> why not
• 789[07:14:24] <Renari> Since it will try to update all of the other packages to unstable as well.
• 790[07:14:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> no
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• 792[07:15:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> try adding sid to sources.list and then do apt-get update and then look at apt-cache policy
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• 795[07:15:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> sid gets lower priority
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• 799[07:18:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think that should happen automatically somehow. if not, it's a pinning rule one adds and then forgets about
• 800[07:18:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, pinning
• 801[07:18:45] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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• 803[07:20:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> I just love how AptPreferences has something not really in any sensible wiki format that obviously is there since woody
• 804[07:20:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> (not)
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• 816[07:25:05] <pragomer_1> dolphin tells me "only root can mount" my nas. this is whats is it my fstab: replaced-url
• 817[07:25:22] <pragomer_1> any idea? I always have to to "mount -a" after booting
• 818[07:25:35] <autofsckk> somiaj: i read about that already, im now to debian, i spoke with a friend that have been using debian for years, well now he uses devuan, but he told me about that, mixing, i mean, i need a newer package of smplayer because the one i have is super old, i was using arch for 8-10 years so i need some newer versions of some stuff, not everything but some, so that isnt possible?
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• 821[07:27:53] <Renari> autofsckk, we just talked about this with a different package first check debian backports
• 822[07:28:17] <Renari> ,checkbackport smplayer
• 823[07:28:18] <judd> Backporting package smplayer in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
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• 825[07:29:44] <Renari> replaced-url
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• 827[07:30:14] <autofsckk> Renari: i found it on testing
• 828[07:31:15] <Renari> !simple sid backport
• 829[07:31:15] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 831[07:31:21] <Renari> @autofsckk, ^
• 832[07:31:26] <autofsckk> i experience many problems trying to install mariadb, well i think now my system is "stable" again, but i tried to install mariadb again with no luck the same errors i used to have, i tried to installed it form the mariadb servers and following their ways
• 833[07:32:33] <autofsckk> Renari: ok let me zim-it for tomorrow, i already copy that
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• 844[07:36:14] <Renari> Hm, so I added sid to my sources.list but apt still isn't finding xserver-xorg-core-dbg.
• 845[07:36:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions xserver-xorg-core-dbg
• 846[07:36:56] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-core-dbg on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1
• 847[07:37:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> Renari, did you check what apt-cache policy says about the priorities of packages from distributions?
• 848[07:37:34] <autofsckk> that judd thing is simplier than apt-cache show ha
• 849[07:37:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> also… not surprising?
• 850[07:37:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> autofsckk, apt-cache madison
• 851[07:38:15] <autofsckk> CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, im very new to debian, just learning :D
• 852[07:38:24] <Renari> I checkedbut I don't see anything relating to priorities in apt-cache policy
• 853[07:38:35] <Renari> Unless that's the numbers to the left.
• 854[07:38:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> the numbers at the begining on the line
• 855[07:38:46] <Renari> They are all 500.
• 856[07:39:26] <Renari> Except /var/lib/dpkg/status which is 100.
• 857[07:39:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> then adjust with pinning so that sid isn't the normal thing
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• 859[07:43:45] <Renari> Alright I changed unstable to 400.
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• 864[07:45:48] <Renari> replaced-url
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• 867[07:46:12] <Renari> But apt still doesn't find it.
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• 869[07:47:07] <Renari> Ah it's in debian ports.
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• 875[07:51:21] <Renari> Apparently the sid version of xorg debug symbols is dead.
• 876[07:51:26] <Renari> All of the mirrors 404.
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• 881[07:52:58] <rpd_> hi, is there a specific channel to discuss debian ARM ports, I have few queries on setting up automated builds...
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• 884[07:56:34] <rpd_> !dpkg debian-arm
• 885[07:59:23] <Renari> It seems that debug symbols only exist on stable and wheezy.
• 886[07:59:36] <Renari> Guess I'll have to look into building it myself.
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• 888[08:01:18] <autofsckk> Renari: when you say bulding, what do you mean? because i read about not making tarballs
• 889[08:01:33] <llamapixel> rpd_: maybe the raspberry pi channel
• 890[08:01:50] <llamapixel> #raspberrypi
• 891[08:02:13] <Renari> Compiling the newest version.
• 892[08:02:35] <Renari> The xorg documentation advises against doing this though.
• 893[08:02:41] <rpd_> llamapixel: thanks will try that but my query are regarding setting up automated builds for arm systems I have, like buildd
• 894[08:02:45] <autofsckk> Renari: but is that ok with debian? i read that frankendebian stuff and it say that making isnt the debian way
• 895[08:03:14] <Renari> I don't exactly have any other option, the package I need doesn't exist.
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• 897[08:06:48] <Renari> Well my other option would be to simply deal with my xsession crashing and closing everything every few hours..
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• 900[08:07:22] <autofsckk> Renari: i was having that proble
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• 907[08:07:50] <autofsckk> i installed lxde like 2 or 3 weeks ago, lxde
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• 910[08:08:48] <autofsckk> stopped lightdm i think it was, and i ran startx from console, and the i found the proble was with some xkeboard, i dont remember what, but i think you should start X with startx to see whats the problem
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• 912[08:09:41] <Renari> My logs show that it's sefaulting, to get a usable stack trace I need debug symbols but that package only exists on stable and I'm on testing.
• 913[08:09:55] <Renari> segfaulting*
• 914[08:10:10] <uxfi> hi all
• 915[08:10:12] <uxfi> good evening
• 916[08:11:12] <autofsckk> hi uxfi
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• 919[08:12:08] <uxfi> hey autofsckk
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• 922[08:13:10] <autofsckk> Renari: how unstable is testing? i have read that it isnt any unstable at all, is that true?
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• 924[08:13:40] <at0m> dpkg: tell rpd_ about arm
• 925[08:13:51] <Renari> I mean my whole issue is that the package I need isn't on testing.
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• 927[08:13:58] <Renari> If I was on stable I wouldn't have an issue right now.
• 928[08:14:05] <at0m> dpkg: tell Renari about testing
• 929[08:14:09] <furb> hi
• 930[08:14:51] <autofsckk> Renari: but what about doing that thing my friend told mñe about
• 931[08:15:05] <uxfi> hi furb
• 932[08:15:06] <uxfi> hows u
• 933[08:15:13] <autofsckk> using some packages from stable, some from testing and osme from other places, with %
• 934[08:15:17] <autofsckk> how do you do that?
• 935[08:15:34] <rpd_> thanks at0m!
• 936[08:15:44] <at0m> dpkg: tell autofsckk about backports
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• 940[08:17:09] <autofsckk> 10x at0m
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• 943[08:19:35] <at0m> :)
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• 945[08:20:49] <autofsckk> anybody here use beets?
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• 948[08:21:34] <at0m> autofsckk: #beets, probably
• 949[08:23:24] <autofsckk> yes i know
• 950[08:23:47] <autofsckk> i just want to know experiences from using it jajaja cause it destroyed my music library completely
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• 1022[09:15:14] <thereyougo> anyone knows how to use wget over proxy ?
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• 1024[09:15:46] <thereyougo> "wget --help" doesn't have any "proxy" option
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• 1028[09:16:22] <thereyougo> no way
• 1029[09:16:29] <thereyougo> is it the same as "lynx" ?
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• 1032[09:16:54] <thereyougo> why can't they just use "--proxy" option
• 1033[09:17:03] <thereyougo> like say "-x" in curl
• 1034[09:17:35] <thereyougo> also by any chance any one know s if curl can be used to download batch of files ?
• 1035[09:17:42] <thereyougo> I mean like "wget -i linkx.txt"
• 1036[09:18:07] <thereyougo> or because curl outputs to stdout by default and "-o" can only be use for one output file curl can't be used for batch downloads ?
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• 1039[09:19:12] <rpd_> thereyougo: you can just use for shell for/while loop around curl
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• 1041[09:20:01] <thereyougo> you know, curl is 19 years in development, they could've just make optiion "--url-list" or somethinglike that
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• 1045[09:22:20] <thereyougo> thanks
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• 1053[09:27:51] <coke> ranting about missing features in oss tools never gets old
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• 1065[09:40:06] <Lowl3v3l> coke: yeah. especially if its a trivial one
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• 1090[09:50:40] <this_self> Oh guys. When debian's guys will update network-manager to newer version? Newer than 0.9.** current? Because 0.* version is too laggy. But when I try to install network-manager from testing repo - it's overwritten many system packages (which are requires for testing NM) from testing repo.
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• 1096[09:51:48] <Lowl3v3l> this_self: most likely after the freeze. In unstable, network-manager is in 1.6.2
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• 1101[09:52:43] <this_self> Lowl3v3l, what you mean after freeze?:)
• 1102[09:53:03] <this_self> In my country the weather is too warm :3
• 1103[09:54:20] <abff> Ijust ran apt install and the install only completed by half. When I ran install --fix-missing apt notes that 11.0MB/23.1MB was fetched. Okay fine, the problem is apt now claims that 112MB of additional space will be used. What? That's ridiculous
• 1104[09:55:01] <Lowl3v3l> this_self: at the moment, we are in the freeze aka the state where primarily release critical bugs for stretch are fixed and no feature patches get thrown into it. after stretch's release there might be an update.
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• 1110[09:56:29] <this_self> Oh you mean it. When will be the next freeze ?:)
• 1111[09:57:12] <Lowl3v3l> this_self: its done when its done ;)
• 1112[09:57:29] <furb> I have to integrate a debian 8 based distro in an openstack environment as guest... but I failed. to cross-check if the iso I got is corrupted I tried with an debian standard iso and failed as well
• 1113[09:57:29] <furb> As hypervisor qemu is used
• 1114[09:57:29] <furb> the effect I have is that the installer does not recognize any disk, neither hda,sda or vda.
• 1115[09:57:29] <furb> I would expect vda
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• 1120[09:58:12] <this_self> Lowl3v3l, but... during 1 day.. week.. month... year..?:)
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• 1122[09:58:31] <abff> !stretch release
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• 1125[09:59:47] <Lowl3v3l> this_self: freezes usually happen once a year during the transition from testing->stable
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• 1129[10:00:35] <this_self> thanks. Will wait....
• 1130[10:02:00] <boser> question. is there a timeline online, for the next major release? I use now Debian jessie(8).
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• 1134[10:03:40] <Lowl3v3l> boser: as i just said, the freeze is now. But its don when its done, i suspect maybe 3 or 4 more weeks. If you dont want to wait nobody forces you to run stable ( i'd even argue that running stable on a desktop machine is a missapplication^^)
• 1135[10:04:16] <boser> thx, Lowl3v3l
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• 1158[10:12:13] <abff> anyone have any idea why apt is saying it needs 10 times the required space to finish installing this package?
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• 1160[10:13:33] <Lowl3v3l> abff: the magic of compression algorithms.
• 1161[10:15:30] <abff> it didn't mistake the difference when I first triedto the package and all of it's dependencies. The first install call claimed that thesystem only required 23.1MB of space
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• 1164[10:19:18] <Lowl3v3l> abff: then look at the package itself.
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• 1186[10:32:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> Lowl3v3l, running stable on a desktop is great if you need it for work or other stuff you want to do… and you can't/don't want to spend half a day fixing the latest crap coming in from unstable
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• 1188[10:33:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> also, that should be just…
• 1189[10:33:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, stretch
• 1190[10:33:06] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: replaced-url
• 1191[10:33:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, unfortunately not
• 1192[10:34:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> meh.
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• 1194[10:36:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, stretch =~ s#<slushy>#<slushy><wwsr>#
• 1195[10:36:24] <dpkg> CutMeOwnThroat: OK
• 1196[10:36:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, wwsr
• 1197[10:36:41] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
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• 1201[10:37:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> what… I was looking for the graph with release critical bugs… that udd link is still not it D:
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• 1207[10:40:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, when will stretch release =~ s#bugs/#bugs/ replaced-url
• 1208[10:40:30] <dpkg> OK, CutMeOwnThroat
• 1209[10:40:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> petn-randall, thanks… already had it… it's in <release critical bugs>
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• 1211[10:40:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, wwsr
• 1212[10:40:50] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about <stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help> replaced-url
• 1213[10:41:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> wfm
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• 1222[10:43:09] <blackflow> omg they're growing in number! :)
• 1223[10:43:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> err, no? Which line are you looking at?
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• 1225[10:44:13] <blackflow> the green one?
• 1226[10:44:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> looks like a dramatic drop from ~1000 to 500, then soon ~200… and then much smaller/slowewr drops afterwards?
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• 1228[10:45:35] <blackflow> I'm concerned about that blue line tho'. Still no bind9 secvuln fix.
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• 1233[10:49:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> the question is how you can have release critical bugs in something already released :P
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• 1239[10:51:00] <Lowl3v3l> CutMeOwnThroat: integration tests vs unit tests?
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• 1242[10:52:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm?
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• 1249[10:58:06] <trewas> CutMeOwnThroat: sharp drops are probably caused by package removals from testing
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• 1252[11:00:08] <trewas> and you know, stable is stable, bugs (including release critical bugs) are not usually fixed there
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• 1254[11:00:44] <jelly> that's basically asking why are there bugs in software
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• 1258[11:02:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> the first big drop is directly after the freeze… I'd think its not package removals but people stopping to push new crap into unstable (after they did so heavily directly before the freeze)
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• 1290[11:20:32] <hexhaxtron> Can I post a link here to a new Shell Provider?
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• 1292[11:24:52] <nkuttler> hexhaxtron: no ads please
• 1293[11:25:15] <celyr> does shell providers still exists ? XD
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• 1296[11:26:30] <mittttens> how good is debian support for OpenRC?
• 1297[11:26:36] <mittttens> would i be better going with devuan?
• 1298[11:26:41] <mittttens> i'm planning on using unstable
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• 1301[11:30:20] <petn-randall> mittttens: It's in jessie, stretch and testing, but it's less well tested than systemd.
• 1302[11:30:26] <petn-randall> s/testing/sid/
• 1303[11:31:20] <mittttens> as far as the initscripts, do most daemon packages include scripts for sysvinit/openrc?
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• 1305[11:32:10] <petn-randall> mittttens: For sysv init yes, but I doubt there's any support for openrc beyond that package.
• 1306[11:32:19] <Brigo> mittttens, i think most of them do it for sysvinit as they already had them before systemd, for openrc, i doubt it.
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• 1308[11:32:59] <Brigo> openrc claims to be sysvinit compatible, don't it?
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• 1326[11:41:42] <disaster__> Hi! i centralize logs from my server with rsyslog tls/relp, and now i want to collect metrics. So as i have the servers connected for rsyslog i would like to push the metrics from collectd to rsyslog on a specific facility and then on the central server push the data from the specific facility into graphite. So i have two question : is it a good idea? how to push data from collectd into rsyslog?
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• 1330[11:43:56] <petn-randall> disaster__: *from* collectd to rsyslog?
• 1331[11:44:07] <disaster__> petn-randall: yes
• 1332[11:44:52] <petn-randall> disaster__: The usual approach for log aggregation is having ELK or graylog at the end of the chain. Both support aggregate stats and graphing.
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• 1334[11:46:36] <disaster__> petn-randall: yes for log i will setup a elk stack at the end of chain, but this is for metrics. And in my research i find a lot of mention about collectd.
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• 1340[11:48:13] <petn-randall> disaster__: logstash (the "L" in ELK) supports receiving data from rsyslog via RELP. I have that in production. The whole ELK stack is rather heavy on the aggregating server, though.
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• 1344[11:49:14] <disaster__> yes for logs but you don't take metrics? (cpu,loadaverage,memory...)
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• 1346[11:50:27] <petn-randall> disaster__: I have monitoring for that.
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• 1348[11:50:53] <disaster__> petn-randall: so what you use?
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• 1353[11:54:04] <petn-randall> disaster__: icinga or icinga2
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• 1357[11:54:43] <petn-randall> disaster__: If you want a little extra sugar on top, you can use OMD (open monitoring distribution), it allows you to do a lot of configuring through the web frontend.
• 1358[11:56:07] <disaster__> petn-randall: and you send your metrics on a central server?
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• 1363[11:57:45] <petn-randall> disaster__: Yes, you have an agent running on every machine for that.
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• 1366[11:58:07] <petn-randall> (or can do the version where the server logs in via SSH and pulls the metrics)
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• 1371[11:59:52] <g0zzy> For Windows-only drivers we sometimes resort to Wine. What are the possibilities of leveraging Mac drivers?
• 1372[12:00:15] <disaster__> well he work on mysql? cause all i read seems to say that specialized database like graphite, influxdb... save much space for that kind of data
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• 1374[12:00:43] <blackflow> g0zzy: drivers? like, kernel modules? not sure how wine helps there...
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• 1377[12:01:55] <g0zzy> Driver in the loose sense. Say things like software to control a printer
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• 1382[12:04:12] <petn-randall> g0zzy: That sounds a lot like drivers to me. wine can only run userspace windows programs, not windows drivers.
• 1383[12:04:23] <blackflow> so, like, random userland software? specialized mac only, non portable, random userland software?
• 1384[12:04:39] <g0zzy> Yes, it would be userland 'drivers'
• 1385[12:04:52] <petn-randall> !tias
• 1386[12:04:52] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 1387[12:05:03] * blackflow wishes people would use IT terminology properly...
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• 1392[12:06:35] <g0zzy> IOW is the there anything like Wine for Mac?
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• 1402[12:10:26] <blackflow> g0zzy: yes but usability of it is another question. replaced-url
• 1403[12:10:58] <petn-randall> g0zzy: What is your actual question though?
• 1404[12:11:04] <petn-randall> !goal
• 1405[12:11:04] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 1407[12:11:44] <g0zzy> My goal is to run arbitrary Mac userland software to control arbitrary devices
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• 1411[12:12:52] <blackflow> I doubt that's possible.
• 1412[12:13:11] <colo-work> I have two Jessie hosts with sources.list entries like this: "deb replaced-url
• 1413[12:13:13] <blackflow> (on Linux, without virtualization)
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• 1415[12:13:15] <g0zzy> Could be a printer, could be a scanner
• 1416[12:13:27] <petn-randall> g0zzy: That's not possible.
• 1417[12:13:27] <colo-work> I can fetch stuff via HTTP from that URI via curl without problems
• 1418[12:13:27] <coke> just get a bunch of mac minis and remote in :p
• 1419[12:13:33] <colo-work> any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
• 1420[12:13:41] <colo-work> (the listener is inetd/approx)
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• 1429[12:16:51] <archer121> hi, I am trying to work out a very trivial permission issue in debian. I need to access a directory with 750 permissions. But it says permission denied eventhough I am in the group. It's a very trivial question, please tell me what I am missing. Here is a illustration: replaced-url
• 1430[12:18:03] <themill> archer121: did you only just add yourself to the group?
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• 1432[12:18:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> colo-work, different versions of apt?
• 1433[12:18:24] <archer121> yes
• 1434[12:18:34] <colo-work> CutMeOwnThroat, nope. a _different_ line in the sources.list was the culprit, apparently
• 1435[12:18:34] <petn-randall> archer121: If you just added yourself to the group, you need to log out and in again to have effect.
• 1436[12:18:39] <g0zzy> Yes, was just musing. In theory Mac binaries are closer so in theory 'Mac wine' should be relatively easy
• 1437[12:18:49] <colo-work> but the presented error message is nonsensical
• 1438[12:18:58] <archer121> petn-randall: Thanks!
• 1439[12:18:59] <colo-work> I'll file this under "wtf" and march on
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• 1443[12:20:24] <g0zzy> My _general_ motivation is finding ways to make it easier to migrate people from Windows 10 to Debian. Having to abandon peripherals is not a good selling point
• 1444[12:20:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
• 1445[12:21:01] <blackflow> g0zzy: win10 to debian, and you need mac software for that?
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• 1447[12:21:18] <benlue> need umount /mnt/storagebox but i get some trouble: replaced-url
• 1448[12:22:21] <blackflow> benlue: tried lsof as instructed in that message?
• 1449[12:23:14] <petn-randall> g0zzy: But there are lots of existing Linux cups drivers? Except for brother printers.
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• 1462[12:27:49] <benlue> blackflow, there is nothing in lsof /mnt/storagebox
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• 1464[12:29:22] <blackflow> benlue: try lsof | grep storagebox as giving paths to lsof requires full exact path
• 1465[12:30:21] <benlue> blackflow, replaced-url
• 1466[12:31:25] <blackflow> benlue: how did you mount that, some fuse thing?
• 1467[12:31:52] <benlue> mount -t davfs replaced-url
• 1468[12:32:17] <g0zzy> petn-randall: And if you need to know how much ink you have left ..?
• 1469[12:33:13] <blackflow> benlue: can you fusermount -u /mnt/storagebox ?
• 1470[12:34:56] <petn-randall> g0zzy: Some drivers even support that. And I actually see it as an advantage that you don't have the crap GUI of the vendor running on your machine. Printer software is one of the worst classes of software you can have on a windows machine.
• 1471[12:34:56] <blackflow> benlue: or umount.davfs /mnt/storagebox
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• 1474[12:36:01] <benlue> blackflow, same issue: target is busy
• 1475[12:36:03] <benlue> :/
• 1476[12:36:55] <benlue> fusermount: failed to unmount /mnt/storagebox: Device or resource busy
• 1477[12:36:59] <petn-randall> g0zzy: "We have an offer in our web shop for ink! Do you want to visit it?" - "Remember, only use original printer cartridges!" - "Please register your printer after purchase!"
• 1478[12:37:06] <petn-randall> nobody needs those annoying popups.
• 1479[12:37:28] <petn-randall> It's because they sell the printers below value, they try to pester the customer to buy the overpriced accessoires for the printer.
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• 1485[12:38:29] <p0g0__> benlue: I am not really paying attention, but you may want "umount -f -l MOUNTPOINT" to force the umount so you can re-mount.
• 1486[12:38:35] <g0zzy> I don't like it either. I prefer printers to have a web interface. A lot don't
• 1487[12:38:36] <blackflow> benlue: I'm sorry, I don't know then. those fuse things can be fussy. or it's a bug somewhere.
• 1488[12:39:17] <petn-randall> g0zzy: I prefer printers that print. And are good at that job.
• 1489[12:39:27] <benlue> p0g0__, target is busy ...
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• 1491[12:39:48] <blackflow> people still squirt dead ancestors based liquid onto flattened dead trees?
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• 1493[12:40:58] <coke> like cavemen
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• 1562[13:15:41] <tdn> How do I verify that my apache httpd (which uses openssl) actually utilizes the AES-NI instructions/kernel module?
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• 1567[13:17:58] <nkuttler> tdn: sounds like a question for #httpd
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• 1570[13:18:18] <nkuttler> maybe if you increase debug output, who knows..
• 1571[13:18:34] <aboulafia_> Hello Debian !
• 1572[13:18:50] <aboulafia_> this works : $tar cvf - directory/ | 7za a -si myfile.tar.7z
• 1573[13:18:53] <aboulafia_> but not : $tar cvf - directory/ |7za a -v23750m -si myfile.tar.7z
• 1574[13:18:53] <aboulafia_> any idea ? thanks.
• 1575[13:19:28] <tdn> nkuttler, yeah I tried in #httpd, but they said that it was not for them because it is done by openssl which is compiled and packaged by the debian packages. So I am hoping to get more info here :)
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• 1579[13:21:29] <nkuttler> tdn: that question is so specific, i'd probably start here replaced-url
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• 1582[13:22:20] <sine0> crap
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• 1633[13:47:15] <boxrick1> I have multiple network interfaces on different subnets, and a router sits inbetween these subnets and passes traffic.
• 1634[13:48:02] <boxrick1> This machine has a single default gateway on NET1, and a second interface on NET2
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• 1637[13:48:24] <boxrick1> If it receives traffic from NET2 via NET1 it tries to send it back out NET1
• 1638[13:48:30] <boxrick1> How can I fix that?
• 1639[13:48:50] <boxrick1> Some form of static route, or is there a more elegant way?
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• 1642[13:49:14] <boxrick1> Sorry it tries to send it out back by NET2 not NET1 ( which is what i need )
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• 1683[14:05:55] <__marco> Someone using uwsgi and systemd? Can I use systemctl to control the single uwsgi's apps?
• 1684[14:06:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> aboulafia_, seems to work fine here as things go. Seems a bit strange to use something like zip that can put several files into one archive together with tar, whose only function is to put several files into an archive… *shrug*
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• 1692[14:08:55] <notwithstanding> hi im running debian 8.6 and am looking to install pdns-backend-bind package, is it available? replaced-url
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• 1696[14:09:33] <notwithstanding> will stretch or sid work?
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• 1698[14:09:56] <petn-randall> ,v pdns-backend-bind
• 1699[14:09:57] <judd> Package: pdns-backend-bind on amd64 -- sid: 4.0.3-1; stretch: 4.0.3-1
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• 1703[14:10:25] <petn-randall> notwithstanding: It's not in jessie, and I don't recommend pulling it from testing/unstable. Instead, backport it yourself.
• 1704[14:10:32] <petn-randall> !checkbackport pdns-backend-bind
• 1705[14:10:41] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport pdns-backend-bind
• 1706[14:10:42] <judd> Backporting package pdns-backend-bind in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
• 1707[14:10:50] <petn-randall> !ssb
• 1708[14:10:51] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1709[14:11:03] <petn-randall> notwithstanding: These would be the steps to create that package. ^^^
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• 1714[14:11:55] <notwithstanding> ,deb-src sid
• 1715[14:12:00] <notwithstanding> !deb-src sid
• 1716[14:12:00] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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• 1721[14:14:00] <notwithstanding> theres nothing available on debian-backports right? only stretch and sid ?
• 1722[14:14:09] <notwithstanding> !bdo
• 1723[14:14:09] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 1724[14:14:31] <petn-randall> notwithstanding: Right, only stretch and sid.
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• 1728[14:16:21] <nicoladp> Hi, is there any solution to running a hd7870xt (tahiti LE chip) video card with the open drivers?
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• 1735[14:19:20] <jelly> notwithstanding: isn't pdns-backend-bind built in?
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• 1737[14:19:37] <nodiscc> hi, prefs set in /etc/firefox-esr/firefox-esr.js are not applied. is this a bug?
• 1738[14:19:46] <nodiscc> for example I set browser.pocket.enabled to false in /etc/firefox-esr/firefox-esr.js but when I start firefox, about:config shows it is back to true
• 1739[14:19:46] <jelly> notwithstanding: why do you think you need a separate package?
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• 1744[14:20:59] <petn-randall> nodiscc: Where is it documented that this should work?
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• 1747[14:21:40] <nodiscc> petn-randall: in the original firefox-esr.js file shipped with debian package:
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• 1757[14:24:33] * nodiscc looking for the original file
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• 1766[14:27:01] <nodiscc> // This is the Debian specific preferences file for Firefox ESR You can make any change in here, it is the purpose of this file. You can, with this file and all files present in the /etc/firefox-esr directory, override any preference you can see in about:config.
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• 1768[14:27:57] <nodiscc> I have checked that my firefox-esr.js has valid syntax
• 1769[14:28:40] <nodiscc> no warning in terminal/browser console
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• 1787[14:37:06] <rpd_> so this has been a long-time PITA for me, once you install one of the desktop-environments, how can you use apt-get to fully remove it? is there a simple way to do so?
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• 1791[14:38:49] <celyr> rpd_, no
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• 1793[14:39:15] <celyr> rpd_, buy if you go throught the logs
• 1794[14:39:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> actually I thought the problem is more the reverse… that removing any of the packages from the desktop environment removes the whole environment and often X as well
• 1795[14:39:34] <celyr> you can remove all packages that have been installed
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• 1797[14:40:01] <celyr> and also removing most of the packages dm in the name will end up removing everything with autoremove
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• 1800[14:40:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> rpd_, it depends on how you installed it
• 1801[14:41:06] <celyr> tdn, I think that the easier way is to download the sources of openssl
• 1802[14:41:16] <celyr> tdn, and then look at the default config parameters
• 1803[14:41:24] <celyr> tdn, this way you will know without asking anyone
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• 1806[14:42:00] <tdn> celyr, I have tried benchmarking openssl via the openssl speed test. This indicates that aes-ni IS used by openssl if -evp switch is on
• 1807[14:42:11] <tdn> But that does not tell me if apache use the EVP or not
• 1808[14:42:28] <nodiscc> (fixed my problem after correcting 2 missing semicolons)
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• 1813[14:43:06] <sonOfRa> rpd_: Maybe unselect it in tasksel and then run apt autoremove?
• 1814[14:43:23] <sonOfRa> Not sure if that works, just a thought
• 1815[14:43:43] <celyr> tdn, then do the same with apache (get the source) maybe the guys in #httpd told you what are the correct switches for that and check if they were enable by who packaged it
• 1816[14:45:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> rpd_, look at the Depends: and Recommends: lines of task-gnome-desktop (and the depends of those depends) to see how it's done
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• 1822[14:48:06] <rpd_> celyr: yeah thats what I do, I kind of manually remove after checking the deps
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• 1824[14:48:25] <rpd_> sonOfRa: never tried that, will check, thanks!
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• 1826[14:48:41] <sonOfRa> If you didn't install it through tasksel to begin with, it probably won't work
• 1827[14:48:53] <sonOfRa> It's the thing that runs at the start of the installation and asks you what you want to do with your system
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• 1829[14:49:52] <rpd_> sonOfRa: I know what tasksel is, I usually do a minimal install and then use apt, but sometimes I want to go back to just wm's and then its a PITA to check deps and remove one by one
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• 1834[14:52:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> rpd_, it should be relatively simple to remove it with autoremove if you installed it via the meta packages
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• 1837[14:52:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> if you installed anything else, just remove the things that you manually installed…
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• 1844[14:53:52] <demize> Got a bit of a strange issue on an old frankenstein-ish server we have when trying to install libpam-systemd
• 1845[14:53:57] <demize> "libpam-systemd : Depends: systemd (= 215-17+deb8u6) but 230-7~bpo8+2 is to be installed"
• 1846[14:54:06] <demize> Not really sure how to fix it.
• 1847[14:54:30] <rpd_> CutMeOwnThroat: thanks will look at autoremove
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• 1850[14:54:39] <koma> /msg dpkg stretch freeze
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• 1854[14:54:53] <jelly> !bat
• 1855[14:54:54] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1856[14:54:57] <jelly> demize: ^^
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• 1859[14:56:45] <rpd_> demize: good old systemd..., the other day it refused to reboot/shutdown the system because it could not connect to dbus daemon, that was something, had to hard reset
• 1860[14:56:56] <demize> apt-get install libpam-systemd: replaced-url
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• 1865[14:57:21] <demize> rpd_: This has nothing to do with systemd itself...
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• 1867[14:58:26] <rpd_> demize: yeah I know, I am just relating my experience with systemd recently...
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• 1870[14:59:23] <toruvinn> i realize this isn't exactly debian-related, more linuxingeneral-related, but did anyone notice that the cpu governor "performance" is behaving... weirdly?
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• 1872[14:59:29] <toruvinn> at least in newer kernels
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• 1875[15:01:32] <celyr> toruvinn, how can performance behave wierdly it's 100% always lol
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• 1877[15:02:18] <toruvinn> celyr, that's the point! it's hardly statically set to max_freq!
• 1878[15:02:23] <toruvinn> it's jumping like mad :-O
• 1879[15:02:42] <celyr> toruvinn, how are you measuring it and what cpu do you have
• 1880[15:02:54] <toruvinn> celyr, model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v3 @ 2.40GHz
• 1881[15:03:02] <toruvinn> celyr, measuring by looking either at /proc/cpuinfo or cpufreq-info
• 1882[15:03:09] <jelly> demize: you forgot "apt-cache policy systemd"
• 1883[15:03:13] <toruvinn> and i'm seeing things like cpu MHz : 1967.871
• 1884[15:03:35] <toruvinn> celyr, min_freq is 1200000 max_freq is 3200000
• 1885[15:03:46] <demize> jelly: Ah, right, sorry: replaced-url
• 1886[15:04:10] <celyr> toruvinn, is it sandy bridge ?
• 1887[15:04:35] <jelly> demize: you have systemd from jessie-backports installed. If you want libpam-systemd, you have to explicitely ask to get it from jessie-backports as well
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• 1889[15:05:01] <celyr> no it's haswell
• 1890[15:05:06] <demize> jelly: How do I get it to just automatically get the backports version of something if necessary?
• 1891[15:05:36] <jelly> demize: you don't, that's not how backports are used.
• 1892[15:06:02] <toruvinn> celyr, yeah haswell, according to ark.intel
• 1893[15:06:04] <demize> Hmm, hokay. I'm just used to all repos being created equally, and if a repo is enabled it JustWorks.
• 1894[15:06:08] <demize> jelly: Anyway, thanks.
• 1895[15:06:09] <celyr> toruvinn, can you please install cpufrequtils and paste to pastebin cpufreq-info ?
• 1896[15:06:15] <jelly> demize: it will only get stuff from backports automatically after you manually asked for the backports version once
• 1897[15:06:19] <toruvinn> celyr, sure. sec.
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• 1899[15:06:52] <jelly> demize: you don't want to get all the backports for every possible package that's present there automatically.
• 1900[15:07:02] <toruvinn> celyr, do you need output for all the cores, or just... dunno, a few? ;-)
• 1901[15:07:08] <demize> Says who?
• 1902[15:07:13] <jelly> says I.
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• 1904[15:07:26] <demize> And how do you know that?
• 1905[15:07:49] <demize> But either way, if I try to install something and it requires something from backports, I'd definitely expect the package manager to get it from there.
• 1906[15:07:53] <jelly> demize: if you wanted all that, you'd run testing.
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• 1911[15:09:08] <jelly> demize: aptitude is a bit smarter in this particular case. With apt-get, you do need to be explicit with -t.
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• 1913[15:09:48] <toruvinn> celyr, replaced-url
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• 1915[15:09:59] <jelly> demize: this is intentional, to avoid users get stuff from backports they didn't explicitely ask for
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• 1921[15:13:37] <VanillaCookie> Hey, I've read that Debian isn't updating every package in their stable repository, some guys and even many web sites found with Google told me that. Is that true?
• 1922[15:13:56] <toruvinn> celyr, should i take it to #linux?
• 1923[15:13:56] <celyr> toruvinn, it's not working as intended
• 1924[15:13:59] <toruvinn> celyr, ;-D
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• 1926[15:14:34] <Stummi> VanillaCookie, yes
• 1927[15:14:43] <celyr> toruvinn, but
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• 1929[15:14:46] <toruvinn> i don't remember the last time i've thrown so many "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat"s at my screen. ;-)
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• 1931[15:14:57] <celyr> toruvinn, what is this server ?
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• 1933[15:15:09] <celyr> toruvinn, I suspect there is something in the firmware doing shit
• 1934[15:15:17] <blackflow> toruvinn: probably intel pstate taking precedence
• 1935[15:15:17] <toruvinn> celyr, thanks, i guess i'll take it to #linux. kernel 4.9 seems to be fine at first glance. that server is one of OVH machines.
• 1936[15:15:45] <celyr> toruvinn, and kernel 4.9 is working as intended ?
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• 1939[15:16:16] <VanillaCookie> Stummi: Okay, thanks for the short answer, but why should I use a stable distribution then if not every package is updated with security/bug fixes? I know that stable means the package versions doesn't change for some years, but you may also want or need security updates, even for rare packages that aren't install that many often on some systems ..
• 1940[15:16:34] <blackflow> toruvinn: you can try and disable pstate (iirc intel_pstate=disable on the kernel line) and see if the performance governor then forces max Hz
• 1941[15:16:38] <VanillaCookie> *installed
• 1942[15:16:48] <Stummi> VanillaCookie, ah, thats what you mean with updates. Yes, you will get security updates, just no additional features
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• 1944[15:17:01] <jelly> VanillaCookie: where did you read this?
• 1945[15:17:24] <toruvinn> blackflow, thanks, will see.
• 1946[15:17:30] <VanillaCookie> jelly: Some Debian forums posted that and also some sites found by Google, that some packages in stable will never see updates
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• 1948[15:17:40] <jelly> VanillaCookie: an example URL?
• 1949[15:17:42] <toruvinn> celyr, yes, but that's even weirder as that 4.9 is OVH-supplied kernel and those have powersave governor by default.
• 1950[15:17:52] <Stummi> VanillaCookie, if these packages don't have security problems, they won't see updates
• 1951[15:17:54] <VanillaCookie> jelly: There are many, just Google
• 1952[15:17:55] <toruvinn> celyr, yet i see a stable near-max frequency on them there. hah!
• 1953[15:18:05] <jelly> VanillaCookie: no thanks
• 1954[15:18:20] <blackflow> toruvinn: you should be able to install default debian kernel
• 1955[15:18:26] <jelly> VanillaCookie: it's a bit of an extraordinary statement
• 1956[15:18:29] <toruvinn> blackflow, hrmf. it seems that this 4.9 ovh kernel has pstate driver builtin too.
• 1957[15:18:33] <blackflow> toruvinn: iirc OVH forces grsec kernels on their dedicated servers line
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• 1959[15:18:46] <VanillaCookie> jelly: I only quoted the statement
• 1960[15:18:46] <toruvinn> blackflow, well, you have a choice there, but yeah, the default one has grsec
• 1961[15:18:49] <Stummi> VanillaCookie, google also tells you that vaccinations cause autism. As long you are not providing an actual source I am going to assume you just found some shady unreliable website
• 1962[15:18:51] <blackflow> toruvinn: right, so intel_pstate=disable on kernel line
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• 1964[15:19:05] <jelly> VanillaCookie: sure, but quoted from where, can you provide a single reference?
• 1965[15:19:15] <blackflow> toruvinn: I always install my own debootstraps with official debian kernels on OVH
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• 1967[15:19:21] <toruvinn> blackflow, err, that 4.9 ovh kernel which has pstate doesnt behave like that though ;-)
• 1968[15:19:23] <VanillaCookie> Stummi: Please don't say something wrong with Autism, I have it!
• 1969[15:19:24] <blackflow> primarily because FDE
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• 1971[15:19:55] <toruvinn> blackflow, i install my own kernels, the thing is, something had to change between 3.18 and 4.10 when it comes to those governors/cpuscaling
• 1972[15:19:57] <blackflow> toruvinn: well pstate was just a guess. thre's that, and there's thermald as well, so several factors that could affect the CPU freq
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• 1974[15:20:24] <VanillaCookie> jelly: I'm looking in my browser history
• 1975[15:20:29] <blackflow> toruvinn: my advice, leave the default which comes with debian, ondemand, no userland tools needed
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• 1977[15:21:21] <blackflow> toruvinn: you really don't need performance over ondemand unless those few micro (nano?) seconds overhead in sampling and switching are significant to you somehow
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• 1980[15:22:37] <blackflow> and besides, these days with modern cpus and newer kernels (like 4.9) intel pstate is the best option
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• 1982[15:24:12] <jelly> toruvinn: those CPUs will try hard to keep their power and temperature nominal, the frequency value on its own does not mean much any more
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• 1989[15:27:58] <VanillaCookie> jelly: replaced-url
• 1990[15:28:01] <VanillaCookie> an example
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• 1994[15:30:07] <toruvinn> jelly, hmm. i have one server doing almost nothing, can see the frequency being low there, rebooting it to 3.18 kernel to see if it's the same. but honestly, i'm almost sure it varies between kernels (all with `performance' governor), so... there's something weird with the software, not necessarily the hardware.
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• 1996[15:30:40] <toruvinn> jelly, yep, 3.18 keeps max freq there. 4.10 doesn't for some reason.
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• 1998[15:31:05] <jelly> toruvinn: that may well be, but I think the bigger difference is actual pstate support in kernel
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• 2000[15:31:33] <VanillaCookie> jelly: Have you read that?
• 2001[15:31:45] <jelly> VanillaCookie: no, busy with other things
• 2002[15:31:50] <VanillaCookie> hm ok
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• 2004[15:32:00] <VanillaCookie> You wanted the link, I sent it to you ...
• 2005[15:32:07] <jelly> yes, thanks
• 2006[15:32:51] <VanillaCookie> So summarize the content there: They're saying that webkit-based applications can be seen as unsecure and a risk, as well as contrib and non-free
• 2007[15:32:54] <VanillaCookie> *To
• 2008[15:32:56] <VanillaCookie> jelly: ^
• 2009[15:33:49] <toruvinn> jelly, it probably is. just checking what happens if i disable pstate there.
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• 2016[15:35:17] <toruvinn> jelly, blackflow, celyr, apparently it is caused by pstate. seems like pstate is the default since (kernel) 3.9. thanks.
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• 2019[15:36:06] <celyr> toruvinn, nice at least you fixed it
• 2020[15:36:45] <jelly> VanillaCookie: right, there are a couple packages like that where there's no way to fix security issues with the current versions. Those are noted and documented, debian-security-support package exposes that info to the admin
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• 2023[15:36:56] <celyr> toruvinn, imho cpuinfo-freq should expose pstate also
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• 2027[15:38:05] <jelly> VanillaCookie: in any case a user can look up specific vulnerabilities on
• 2028[15:38:08] <jelly> !tracker of doom
• 2029[15:38:08] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
• 2030[15:38:18] <toruvinn> celyr, that would be nice, to be honest.
• 2031[15:38:40] <samael> hello. where to find the equivalent of old Xorg.0.log in debian stretch?
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• 2036[15:39:56] <zykotick9> samael: the best place for testing questions is #debian-next on the OFTC irc network.
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• 2040[15:40:38] <samael> zykotick9: my bad. actually i'm in there, too... :D
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• 2052[15:43:52] <VanillaCookie> I see ... Debian becomes more and more a troll-ish distribution since Ian Murdock sadly died (Don't get me wrong please, it's sad)
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• 2055[15:44:19] <jelly> yeah, that one did look like a troll.
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• 2061[15:48:01] <petn-randall> I give it a 2/10, but only for the attempt.
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• 2086[16:03:38] <mum0l> Hi guys, is there any huge change between bash 4.2 (debian7) and bash 4.3 (debian8)? Looks like on debian 8, variable $1 doesnt work in my script...
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• 2096[16:04:25] <petn-randall> mum0l: Pretty sure it should work in Debian 8.
• 2097[16:04:27] <jelly> mum0l: there isn't. Does your script begin with #!/bin/bash ?
• 2098[16:04:27] <petn-randall> but:
• 2099[16:04:28] <celyr> mum0l, we have to see your script
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• 2101[16:04:31] <petn-randall> !doesn't work
• 2102[16:04:31] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 2104[16:04:47] <mum0l> here's the script: replaced-url
• 2105[16:05:13] <mum0l> and whenever I specify the args, I get error to specify at least 1 mountpoint..
• 2106[16:05:35] <celyr> if "$1" == "" is false by definiton
• 2107[16:05:40] <celyr> definition*
• 2108[16:05:44] <celyr> NEXT
• 2109[16:06:17] <mum0l> celyr: what do you suggest?
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• 2112[16:06:30] <jelly> mum0l: [ command does not know about ==
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• 2115[16:07:10] * petn-randall wonders how this worked in wheezy.
• 2116[16:07:13] <celyr> jokes aside I don't think
• 2117[16:07:15] <jelly> mum0l: man [
• 2118[16:07:19] <celyr> yeah it can't work
• 2119[16:07:25] <jelly> mum0l: or use bash builtin [[
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• 2122[16:07:36] <jelly> (then, man bash I guess)
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• 2124[16:08:25] <Voldenet> mum0l: i suggest using perl instead
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• 2126[16:08:44] <mum0l> even I put them in double brackets I get teh same output..
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• 2128[16:09:11] <jelly> there's no reason to switch languages for a simple nagios check, but whichever language you choose, make sure the syntax is correct
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• 2132[16:09:45] <jelly> mum0l: #bash channel will probably be more helpful
• 2133[16:09:48] <mum0l> yeah I know.. but I use bash, as I use "mount" command which is dedicated bash cmd
• 2134[16:10:05] <jelly> mount is not a bash command as far as I know
• 2135[16:10:28] <jelly> it's a separate command, /bin/mount
• 2136[16:10:32] <mum0l> so far plugin is deployed on many servers, and only on 2 debian8 deosnt work.. so I prefer to fix the current one rather than going thru process again
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• 2138[16:10:41] <mum0l> yeah it its, sorry ;]
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• 2141[16:10:55] <mum0l> ok, I will ask on #bash than how quicklyu fix the script
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• 2144[16:10:58] <celyr> mum0l, just remove one =
• 2145[16:11:33] <jelly> beware, I'm sure they're going to tell you there's a dozen more things wrong with that script
• 2146[16:11:40] <mum0l> celyr: removing one "=" didnt fix
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• 2149[16:12:11] <jelly> mum0l: instead of telling "did not fix", show the new command line and full output
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• 2151[16:12:27] <jelly> unless the output is exactly the same, then say so.
• 2152[16:12:35] <mum0l> jelly: nothing change, same output "Please specify at least 1 mountpoint"
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• 2155[16:12:55] <celyr> mum0l, can i see how you invoked that script ?
• 2156[16:12:56] <Voldenet> == is correct
• 2157[16:13:00] <Voldenet> replaced-url
• 2158[16:13:10] <jelly> Voldenet: man [
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• 2162[16:13:43] <jelly> Voldenet: you will find [ does not have a == test
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• 2164[16:14:22] <celyr> if [ "$1" = "" ]; then it's correct
• 2165[16:14:31] <jelly> mum0l: you can coerce bash to show each executed command inside the script by adding "set -x" as the second line of the script
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• 2167[16:15:10] <tw> [ x == y ] is syntactically valid in bash, but it doesn't work in dash, ash, or zsh
• 2168[16:15:15] <themill> if it's inside bash, you want "help [" not "man ["
• 2169[16:15:23] <mum0l> yeah but even I put [ -z $1 ] it doesnt work, if I put "echo $1" it doesnt work to.. so its more about returing the arg rather than the condition...
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• 2171[16:15:59] <jelly> themill: "help test" does not list == anywhere, either
• 2172[16:16:00] <celyr> mum0l, how are you invoking this script ? if $1 is not set then that's the problem
• 2173[16:16:04] <themill> jelly: indeed
• 2174[16:16:08] <Voldenet> jelly: "man [" does not have a == test... but it works on my debian ;)
• 2175[16:16:17] <mum0l> ./script /opt/
• 2176[16:16:23] <celyr> Voldenet, nice it doesn't work on mine
• 2177[16:16:24] <jelly> Voldenet: your debian 8?
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• 2179[16:16:29] <Voldenet> Yeah.
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• 2181[16:16:36] <jelly> Voldenet: and bash?
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• 2184[16:16:55] <Voldenet> I'm fairly sure it's bash
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• 2186[16:17:10] <celyr> jelly, well i just tried right now and it works also for me
• 2187[16:17:52] <jelly> I wouldn't rely on undocumented behaviour
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• 2190[16:18:21] <jelly> at least not when there're equivalents
• 2191[16:18:21] <Voldenet> ([ "" == "" ] || echo "FAIL") && ([ "a" == "" ] && echo "FAIL") && ([ "" == "a" ] && echo "FAIL") && echo "SUCCESS"
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• 2194[16:19:33] <celyr> mum0l, can you ./script "/opt/" ?
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• 2196[16:19:52] <Voldenet> erm, nevermind, lol
• 2197[16:21:16] <jelly> celyr: are you sure you want to check for /opt/ and not /opt ?
• 2198[16:21:24] <jelly> mum0l: are you sure you want to check for /opt/ and not /opt ?
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• 2203[16:24:09] <tw> mum0l: Err, doesn't getopts implicitly shift?
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• 2209[16:25:55] <tw> nope, guess not. ignore that.
• 2210[16:26:42] <Zesk> Hello, I have a quick question. On spamassassin default installation, use_bayes 1 is commented but it's write "default: 1". So I have I assume that even if this line is commented, use_bayes is on, is'nt it ?
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• 2214[16:28:31] <Voldenet> that's what usually default means
• 2215[16:29:16] <Zesk> That's what I though ah ah ^^'' just to be sure
• 2216[16:29:19] <Zesk> Thanks
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• 2219[16:29:58] <petn-randall> Zesk: It might be that newer versions have the default flipped, so if you rely on that option it's better to be explicit.
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• 2221[16:30:42] <petn-randall> because config files won't get overwritten on upgrade, so that comment *might* (fairly low chance) become wrong some time in the future.
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• 2225[16:31:44] <mum0l> guys! sorry I specify wrongly my issue.. the plugin itself works when I am executiing it normlay, the issue occurs when I execute plugin thru check_nrpe, so check_nrpe -H host -c script -a '/opt'
• 2226[16:31:48] <mum0l> [;
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• 2230[16:32:19] <Zesk> ok, it's better to be explicit then. Thanks. I'll set it up that way
• 2231[16:35:30] <mum0l> and when I check this plugin on remote system debian8 args doesnt work, but when I checked on debian7 it works properly
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• 2238[16:37:06] <toruvinn> jelly, blackflow, celyr, so a little bit more backstory; after upgrading the kernel we've noticed that one of the (more (ab)used) machines is getting occasional lags. i was thinking it was something with the scheduler updates in the kernel, or even that IO chokes it, but then i started getting lags while typing on ssh. not sure how but i just decided to check /proc/cpuinfo and spotted weirdness there. disabling pstate made the machine alive
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• 2245[16:38:22] <jelly> toruvinn: abused on which resource, just cpu%?
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• 2251[16:38:54] <toruvinn> jelly, mostly, to be honest. but I/O suffers a bit too, i wanted to rule this one out first, but i've checked cpuinfo first ;-)
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• 2254[16:39:18] <toruvinn> jelly, it's running pgsql slave and a java app. not sure which one hurts more. ;^) (not a huge java fan!)
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• 2256[16:39:27] <jelly> toruvinn: if you're seeing io contention, make sure you don't have the ever-buggy cfq ioscheduler active
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• 2259[16:40:11] <nubenstein> a minimal install is how many megabytes?
• 2260[16:40:12] <toruvinn> jelly, eww cfq. deadline <3 <3 <3 since i was born.
• 2261[16:40:21] <jelly> yes
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• 2263[16:40:59] <jelly> possibly even noop for VMs, but deadline is a sane default everywhere
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• 2265[16:41:11] <jelly> sane to* use* as* default
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• 2269[16:41:44] <jelly> nubenstein: it depends whether you need a kernel or running in a container.
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• 2272[16:43:05] <themill> and a bootloader
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• 2274[16:43:48] <celyr> toruvinn, where you able to find out the bottleneck ?
• 2275[16:43:52] <jelly> nubenstein: starting at about 203M /opt/chroots/jessie-64bit
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• 2281[16:45:04] <nubenstein> jelly, i started installing through PXE then it kept downloading for an hour at the same time seemed stuck at "retrieving 8 of 13 files"
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• 2283[16:45:33] <nubenstein> jelly, that seemed more like 10 gb download
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• 2288[16:47:29] <toruvinn> celyr, yeah it was intel_pstate changing frequencies(well, p-states) like mad. as i said, this is one of the more (ab)used machines and it honestly should run at max all the time (not even necessarily turbo, which i'm not sure is possible through acpi-cpufreq, but whatever)... intel_pstate didnt agree. well, it got fired. ;-)
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• 2291[16:47:56] <celyr> wired
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• 2294[16:48:24] <celyr> the system should be clever enough to stay at high frequency
• 2295[16:48:29] <toruvinn> so, again; jelly, blackflow, celyr: thanks for your tips/advice/help. :-)
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• 2298[16:48:49] <toruvinn> (in completely random order, it's actually "scrollback highlight-coloured line order")
• 2299[16:48:57] <celyr> I honestly would file a bug at lkml
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• 2304[16:49:38] <jelly> nubenstein: ah, no, that part is uspposed to be fairly quick
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• 2307[16:49:44] <toruvinn> celyr, the only thing i wish is that intel_pstate was controllable by the user. right now you cant really do much with that. or at least switching the driver on-line would be nice. rebooting production servers is... sorta... not nice/fun.
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• 2328[16:58:26] <celyr> toruvinn, yeah totally, I've double checked my servers after you pointed out this problem and... Well vmware handles it nicely
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• 2331[16:59:57] <toruvinn> celyr, it's possibly cause vmware doesn't report the cpu as something that can be managed by intel_pstate. i dunno, i'm not really running many VMs
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• 2339[17:03:30] <celyr> toruvinn, CPU is never virtualized, anyway in some way throttling is disabled
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• 2363[17:11:50] <nubenstein> jelly, so what do you think?
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• 2406[17:28:24] <mib8> hey
• 2407[17:29:07] <mib8> does anyone know how I can delete a directory from /sys/class/backlight
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• 2409[17:29:26] <mib8> I installed mba6x_bl and now I don't want it anyomre
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• 2415[17:31:48] <petn-randall> ,v mba6x_bl
• 2416[17:31:49] <judd> No package named 'mba6x_bl' was found in amd64.
• 2417[17:31:58] <petn-randall> mib8: What is mba6x_bl? A kernel module?
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• 2420[17:32:40] <mib8> a backlight driver
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• 2422[17:32:47] <mib8> petn-randall:
• 2423[17:32:59] <mib8> petn-randall: a backlight driver
• 2424[17:33:28] <mib8> now I want to use intel_backlight instead
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• 2433[17:36:20] <petn-randall> mib8: How did you "install" it?
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• 2438[17:37:25] <mib8> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 2441[17:38:50] <petn-randall> mib8: modprobe -r mba6x_bl, then reverse any steps you did during installation.
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• 2444[17:39:19] <petn-randall> mib8: If you run into any problems you can file a bug against that project.
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• 2447[17:40:03] <mib8> modprobe -r mba6_bl turns off my screen backlight and the whole system stops
• 2448[17:40:22] <mib8> petn-randall: How do I modprobe intel_backlight?
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• 2478[17:52:53] <mum0l> I just fix my issue with check_nrpe args - found a typo - $ARGS1$ instead $ARG1$ in nrpe configuration ;]
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• 2497[18:01:45] <benlue> I have some trouble with my wifi stick: replaced-url
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• 2503[18:04:37] <mtn> benlue: what kind of trouble?
• 2504[18:05:28] <benlue> mtn, did you see my log in pastebin? I get a disconnect in free networks and networks with wpa2
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• 2506[18:05:53] <benlue> [154369.678440] wlx404a0301c72d: aborting authentication with e6:6c:04:b3:2e:2b by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
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• 2510[18:07:33] <petn-randall> benlue: Did you install firmware-realtek yet?
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• 2515[18:08:50] <benlue> petn-randall, yes
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• 2517[18:08:51] <benlue> replaced-url
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• 2520[18:09:44] <petn-randall> benlue: What is that output from?
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• 2523[18:10:25] <benlue> petn-randall, apt search firmware-realtek
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• 2526[18:10:36] <benlue> its already installed
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• 2529[18:11:01] <petn-randall> ,v firmware-realtek
• 2530[18:11:02] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free: 20161130-2
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• 2533[18:11:50] <petn-randall> benlue: If you rebooted since the installation it might just not be supported. You could try the backports kernel.
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• 2539[18:12:56] <benlue> petn-randall, yes
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• 2545[18:14:20] <benlue> petn-randall, like jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1?
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• 2557[18:19:52] <petn-randall> ,kernels
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• 2559[18:19:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.18-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
• 2560[18:20:27] <petn-randall> benlue: jessie-backports has the linux kernel 4.9, try the wifi adapter with that.
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• 2564[18:21:29] <benlue> petn-randall, but stretch too: stretch: 4.9.0-2-686
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• 2566[18:21:49] <benlue> is there different?
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• 2568[18:22:30] <petn-randall> benlue: If you're running jessie you should only use jessie repos. Mixing stable and testing repos is discouraged and not supported.
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• 2571[18:23:18] <benlue> uname -a: Linux debian 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1 (2017-03-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 2572[18:23:53] <petn-randall> benlue: What are you using to connect? network-manager?
• 2573[18:24:12] <benlue> petn-randall, yes
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• 2578[18:25:12] <petn-randall> benlue: It could be that this device just happens to have buggy drivers. I'd look around via internet search if someone else got it to run without problems.
• 2579[18:25:19] <rizonz> why are the debian installers not downloaded when you create a mirror and sync main ?
• 2580[18:25:28] <petn-randall> benlue: Other than current kernel + firmware there's not much you can do to improve it.
• 2581[18:25:42] <petn-randall> rizonz: Why would they?
• 2582[18:25:58] <rizonz> because I include main ?
• 2583[18:26:08] <rizonz> even main/installer-amd64 doesn't download it
• 2584[18:26:12] <petn-randall> rizonz: Installer and packages are two different things.
• 2585[18:26:14] <benlue> petn-randall, thanks for Infos
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• 2587[18:26:40] <rizonz> petn-randall: I know but when I specify it like that... it should be grabbed I think
• 2588[18:26:49] <petn-randall> rizonz: If you want the URL for the installer, it's linked from the main page on debian.org.
• 2589[18:27:03] <rizonz> petn-randall: installer is in main ?
• 2590[18:27:16] <petn-randall> rizonz: I hate repeating myself.
• 2591[18:27:28] <petn-randall> !net installer
• 2592[18:27:29] <dpkg> somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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• 2594[18:27:39] <rizonz> petn-randall: ftp://mirror.nl.leaseweb.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/
• 2595[18:27:44] <rizonz> petn-randall: I need the PXE boot ones
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• 2604[18:31:51] <petn-randall> rizonz: Have you checked the release notes? replaced-url
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• 2606[18:32:17] <rizonz> petn-randall: what about it ?
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• 2608[18:32:39] <petn-randall> rizonz: It will tell you where to find the PXE boot images.
• 2609[18:32:40] <rizonz> petn-randall: I have a full automatedPXE boot env that kicks RH ones, Ubunut. Solaris, the whole shabang
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• 2611[18:33:08] <rizonz> petn-randall: my enc downloads them automaticly from the mirror
• 2612[18:33:16] <rizonz> but if debmirror doesn't download them...
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• 2615[18:34:20] <petn-randall> rizonz: I don't know how I can help you. Your setup expect boot images. I told you're they're not in main, and told you where to find them.
• 2616[18:35:00] <rizonz> petn-randall: on the public mirrors they are, debmirror just doesn't download them, only binary-amd64
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• 2627[18:38:19] <rizonz> this is just weird
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• 2646[18:49:56] <heller__> what package has command whois?
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• 2649[18:51:00] <coke> google
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• 2651[18:51:12] <nkuttler> !tell heller__ about apt-file
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• 2656[18:52:38] <rizonz> annoying this, debmirror is buggy on it it seems
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• 2662[18:54:45] <petn-randall> rizonz: Have you asked in #ubuntu yet? This isn't really a Debian issue.
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• 2667[18:55:34] <rizonz> petn-randall: because it's a debian packages you mean ?
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• 2669[18:55:52] <petn-randall> rizonz: You're running debmirror on Ubuntu, right?
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• 2672[18:56:47] <rizonz> petn-randall: yes but it mirrors everything fine, only the installer part of debian not well
• 2673[18:57:00] <petn-randall> rizonz: Then it's also their support case, regardless of what you're trying with it. Who knows, maybe they don't even support it.
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• 2676[18:57:16] <rizonz> petn-randall: as I said, is it an ubuntu package ?
• 2677[18:57:25] <rizonz> I thought it way
• 2678[18:57:29] <rizonz> *was
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• 2682[18:57:37] <petn-randall> !based on
• 2683[18:57:37] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 2684[18:57:39] <bubbely> hi. im trying to install a realtek driver ... i run ./configure and then a make and i get the messsage please run configure first
• 2685[18:57:40] <rizonz> then OK but still, people seem to use it
• 2686[18:57:53] <bubbely> any ideas?
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• 2688[18:58:21] <petn-randall> bubbely: Have you tried using the stock driver first? You might just be missing the package firmware-realtek.
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• 2691[18:59:24] <Nothos927> Hey guys, I just installed a debian 8 vm (on a KVM hypervisor) using netinstall and did a guided installation using an encrypted LVM. But when I try to boot the VM it doesn't prompt for the decryption key, it just stalls on Loading initial ramdisk
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• 2696[19:00:14] <petn-randall> Nothos927: Does it timeout with an error at some point?
• 2697[19:00:28] <bubbely> petn-randall: how do i install that package?
• 2698[19:00:33] <bubbely> sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek?
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• 2700[19:00:38] <petn-randall> bubbely: yes
• 2701[19:00:39] <Nothos927> petn-randall No, it just hangs permanently
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• 2703[19:01:09] <bubbely> resource temporary unavailable
• 2704[19:01:13] <petn-randall> Nothos927: Did you add the net installer as CD to the VM, or did you install differently?
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• 2706[19:01:28] <Nothos927> Net installer as CD to the VM petn-randall
• 2707[19:01:29] <jelly> Nothos927: boot a live image, mount your system and chroot into it, try to rebuild initramfs
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• 2709[19:01:36] <petn-randall> bubbely: Sounds like you have a package manager currently running.
• 2710[19:01:42] <bubbely> lol yeah i do
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• 2712[19:02:06] <bubbely> unable to locate package firmwar-erealtek
• 2713[19:02:10] <bubbely> firmware-realtek
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• 2718[19:04:01] <jelly> dpkg, tell bubbely about non-free sources
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• 2726[19:08:02] <ssswdon> installing debian 8, are there any difference between a desktop and server besides selecting a desktop. I seem to recall on some linux version there was an optimize kernel?
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• 2733[19:08:32] <greycat> No, there's no difference except which packages are chosen.
• 2734[19:08:33] <jhutchins_wk> ssswdon: That affects package selection, with whatever configuration differences result.
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• 2738[19:10:24] <ssswdon> so server may do something like preselect web/mail/db …. packages but they could also be installed later with same results
• 2739[19:10:34] <greycat> correct
• 2740[19:10:39] <petn-randall> ssswdon: exactly
• 2741[19:10:44] <ssswdon> thanks!
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• 2743[19:11:04] <petn-randall> Same with Ubuntu btw, but they give the installers different names for some reason.
• 2744[19:11:23] <greycat> Probably because ex-Microsoft users expect it. Who knows.
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• 2747[19:11:53] <ssswdon> makes sense @ll
• 2748[19:11:56] <ssswdon> @all
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• 2752[19:12:29] <Nothos927> Found the issue. Seems it doesn't show the unlock part on the console
• 2753[19:12:35] <Nothos927> Enabled spice display on the VM and it works now
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• 2756[19:13:37] <petn-randall> weird
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• 2761[19:15:04] <Nothos927> Well given that that'll be the way the server'll be managed (user has the key, they'll connect to spice to decrypt when booting), it's not too bad
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• 2764[19:15:24] <Nothos927> Thanks for your help petn-randall and jelly :)
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• 2770[19:17:38] <candidat> hello, i have problems with apache2. it doesnt want to start replaced-url
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• 2773[19:18:27] <greycat> "AH02291: Cannot access directory '/var/log/apache/' for ...conf:16" seems like a reasonable place to start.
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• 2777[19:19:02] <greycat> Does that directory exist, and can the user that apache uses for logging write there?
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• 2779[19:19:36] <petn-randall> candidat: And you're running Debian?
• 2780[19:19:48] <greycat> arc3:/var/log$ ls -ld *apache*
• 2781[19:19:48] <greycat> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 27 06:25 apache2
• 2782[19:20:05] <greycat> Note that the standard jessie setup uses /var/log/apache2 not /var/log/apache
• 2783[19:20:28] * petn-randall guesses someone copy/pasted some config.
• 2784[19:20:44] <greycat> Actually reading the error messages is very helpful, a lot of the time.
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• 2788[19:22:31] <jhutchins_wk> Especially when they say something like "a thing went wrong. Do exactly this to fix it."
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• 2801[19:27:10] <candidat> ok i m goint to read the doc
• 2802[19:27:14] <candidat> g
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• 2866[20:00:59] <c-c> I've finished with jesbang, jessie openbox desktop installer-script. I'm hoping people will take over it now. replaced-url
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• 2869[20:02:25] <c-c> (yes, I know its kind of silly not to use a metapackage, but list of packages in a bash-script is a way to have only one file.
• 2870[20:02:31] <c-c> +)
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• 2873[20:03:09] <jhutchins_wk> ,v openbox
• 2874[20:03:10] <judd> Package: openbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.0-7; wheezy-backports: 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.5.2-8+deb8u1; sid: 3.6.1-4; stretch: 3.6.1-4
• 2875[20:03:31] <c-c> yup, thats one of the packges in the pack
• 2876[20:03:35] <jhutchins_wk> c-c: So what we really need is an openbox-desktop task for tasksel.
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• 2879[20:05:05] <abcdevuan> .
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• 2883[20:05:58] <abcdevuan> How does one set the console resolution after booting please? xrandr sets the gui size but what does it for consoles?
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• 2885[20:06:24] <abcdevuan> I would like to change console resolution on the fly.
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• 2889[20:06:37] <c-c> jhutchins_wk: I wish I knew how to handle manipulating confs like in a bash with tasksel
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• 2893[20:07:28] <c-c> abcdevuan: you want different sized font? or console window size?
• 2894[20:07:37] <abcdevuan> size
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• 2897[20:08:03] <c-c> abcdevuan: just drag from corner
• 2898[20:09:17] <abcdevuan> dude there are no draggable corners in a console. Text console. chvt 1
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• 2901[20:09:51] <c-c> grub? replaced-url
• 2902[20:10:15] <c-c> weird, where did that url come from
• 2903[20:10:29] <c-c> abcdevuan: can you use grub? replaced-url
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• 2906[20:12:35] <jhutchins_wk> abcdevuan: Pretty sure it's possible, especially if the console is using kms or framebuffer. Don't know the details.
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• 2913[20:16:05] <jhutchins_wk> c-c: That's a well done project.
• 2914[20:16:30] <jhutchins_wk> c-c: The one thing I might suggest is that instead of --ignore you use something more descriptive like --ignore_err
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• 2916[20:18:26] <abcdevuan> c-c: please, the system is booted, the resolution is to be changed by cli command.
• 2917[20:18:55] <abcdevuan> I tried in framebuffer and in kms. No way works yet.
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• 2924[20:20:15] <c-c> abcdevuan: afaik you must restart framebuffer to change resolution
• 2925[20:20:25] <abcdevuan> google is absolutely full of ubuntu newbies asking the same thing, no answers. Have to google with -ubuntu
• 2926[20:20:43] <abcdevuan> c-c: so there is no way to restart fb from cli or program_!
• 2927[20:20:47] <abcdevuan> ?!
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• 2929[20:21:04] <c-c> whats "fb"?
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• 2931[20:21:15] <abcdevuan> framebuffer
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• 2933[20:21:29] <c-c> oh, framebuffer? I think you restart it by restarting your system
• 2934[20:21:41] <abcdevuan> $really_
• 2935[20:21:59] * c-c forgets, but has once set login term resolution with boot params
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• 2937[20:22:55] <abcdevuan> yes it's easy. kernel cli param xvga=1024x768 and that's it
• 2938[20:23:07] <c-c> jhutchins_wk: wow, you really think so? Wow I was hoping people won't think of it as something cludged together. Certainly took dozens of hours.
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• 2942[20:24:52] <c-c> jhutchins_wk: but jesbang isn't good enough, so I restarted with obviux
• 2943[20:25:05] <c-c> but its for debian stretch which is off-topic here
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• 2945[20:25:26] <brejoc> Hi @all! I would like to mirror the packages of a Debian installation. Problem is: I can't rely on /var/cache/apt/archives/ and some of the pkgs can be a bit older and might not be in the current debian repo anymore. Is there a way to do that anyway?
• 2946[20:25:49] <c-c> hm, a local mirror?
• 2947[20:25:55] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
• 2948[20:25:56] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 2949[20:26:05] <somiaj> brejoc: that is the best way to clone a debian installination in my opinion.
• 2950[20:26:40] <brejoc> somiaj: Where does aptitude pull the packages from, when they are not in the repos anymore?
• 2951[20:26:46] <somiaj> brejoc: the internet
• 2952[20:27:13] <somiaj> brejoc: oh if not in repos anymore? You may need a local repo for that.
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• 2954[20:27:33] <somiaj> what sort of packages do you need to clone over that are no longer provided, usually one doens't want to do that.
• 2955[20:27:40] <brejoc> somiaj: Yeah, but I have to compile that local repo first…
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• 2958[20:28:24] <somiaj> I would suggest just maning your local/custom packages seperate, so you could just remove them from the list and then manually install them after you clone the rest.
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• 2962[20:29:27] <c-c> maybe you should have a source based system
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• 2964[20:29:45] <brejoc> c-c: Whould that make it easier?
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• 2966[20:30:08] <c-c> brejoc: no, and it would take longer, but it would be ultimate
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• 2968[20:30:32] <somiaj> what sort of packages are you needing that are no longer in the debian repos?
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• 2975[20:31:59] <brejoc> Okay, to give you a bit background. This would be used to create a build system. And there one might want to create an older installation because specifically this set of packages is needed.
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• 2981[20:32:53] <somiaj> brejoc: if using debian stable that shouldn't be an issue. Debian stable is a frozen system and if using as a build system debian tries really hard to ensure api/abi and the likes don't change (not always possible though)
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• 2986[20:33:23] <somiaj> if using testing, it really isn't designed for that type of snapshots, but if you really needed there is snapshot.debian.org
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• 2989[20:33:52] <somiaj> as for debian release, one can use archive.debian.org to get older versions as well.
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• 3005[20:34:41] <brejoc> somiaj: Okay, I'll look into it. Thanks!
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• 3078[20:49:37] <c-c> wow I actually found man-page for tasksel
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• 3081[20:50:28] <c-c> but how to make tasksels?
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• 3086[20:51:59] <jhutchins_wk> c-c: Stretch isn't exactly off-topic, it's just better served on #debian-next and if a problem is specific to stretch we can send people there.
• 3087[20:52:28] <greycat> !tasksel
• 3088[20:52:28] <dpkg> tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. replaced-url
• 3089[20:52:29] <jhutchins_wk> c-c: Maybe #debian-mentors on oftc.net?
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• 3110[20:58:33] <c-c> ok tasks are described in /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz
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• 3116[20:59:55] <somiaj> I think a task requires a meta package and maybe update some master list of them.
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• 3120[21:04:44] <candidat> do you have some linux dns and apache ebooks ?
• 3121[21:05:06] <greycat> Is there supposed to be a comma after "linux"? Are these three separate topics?
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• 3123[21:05:18] <greycat> Or do you believe that there is such a thing as "linux dns"?
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• 3125[21:05:49] <candidat> i mean bind and apache2 ebooks
• 3126[21:06:04] <candidat> sorry :-)
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• 3131[21:08:15] <greycat> The bottom of replaced-url
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• 3136[21:09:40] <c-c> somiaj: ok, sounds like a lot. I was planning on going with "a metapackage, config-writing-bash-script + config-files" -approach
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• 3138[21:09:54] <somiaj> c-c: what is your end goal?
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• 3142[21:10:28] <c-c> somiaj: store desktop customization, and (some) service and env setup
• 3143[21:10:45] <somiaj> would a cloning system work?
• 3144[21:10:47] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
• 3145[21:10:47] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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• 3147[21:11:04] <c-c> somiaj: yes I saw that, and thats what jesbang does in a way
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• 3150[21:12:04] <c-c> somiaj: but theres all the custom shortcuts, vimrc, desktop widget conf+themes, system mods I want to get on a freshly installed system
• 3151[21:12:54] <somiaj> c-c: these are all stored in $HOME, you could try to figure out what there you need to clone
• 3152[21:13:27] <somiaj> this should not be conroled by the packgae software, so you have two things to clone, 1) clone the package list so you can install the full package list ona new machine. 2) clone the configs in $HOME you want to use on the new machine
• 3153[21:13:59] <c-c> yes, and theres the problem: what happens when I make a new user? - nothing!
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• 3155[21:14:12] <greycat> What do you *expect* to happen?
• 3156[21:14:38] <c-c> I install base, apply the script and its all setup and I *save time*
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• 3158[21:14:49] <somiaj> c-c: so then figure out what configs you need and put them in /etc/skel
• 3159[21:15:01] <somiaj> so still two thigns to clone, package list and configs
• 3160[21:15:04] <greycat> If the goal is "All new users should have the ugliest purple-and-blood-red theme in their KGNOMEFCE thingies" then put the crap you want into /etc/skel/.*
• 3161[21:15:44] <c-c> greycat: I went for indigo, skyglow and bright orange, myself
• 3162[21:16:15] <greycat> People who want to control the configurations of their users always do the most hideous, horrible things. Usually to poor innocent shells.
• 3163[21:16:32] <greycat> usually to $PS1
• 3164[21:17:47] <c-c> I just want stuff out of my way, 4 virtual desktops, 2+ dropdown terminals, terminals, vim, neovim, sound, network manager
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• 3166[21:18:13] <greycat> But for some reason you want this to be done to ALL of your new users. Not just yourself.
• 3167[21:18:23] <c-c> I don't have any users afaik
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• 3169[21:18:32] <c-c> It is squarely targeted for my use atm
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• 3171[21:18:44] <greycat> Then why are you worried about shit that has no effect on anything? Just restore your $HOME from your last backup.
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• 3174[21:19:47] <c-c> I want clean, quick, persistent setup. You know as well as I do that copying configs from home doesn't always end well
• 3175[21:20:03] <greycat> No, I do not "know" any such thing.
• 3176[21:20:06] <greycat> You just made this up and it's wrong.
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• 3179[21:21:00] <greycat> Just the other week they dropped off my new PC at work. I backed up /etc and /home, installed netinst jessie minimum standard, upgraded to stretch, restored /home, and viola.
• 3180[21:21:09] <greycat> Voila*
• 3181[21:21:21] <c-c> whatabout your stuff in /etc/*/autostart?
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• 3183[21:21:26] <greycat> My what.
• 3184[21:21:31] <greycat> Seriously, what planet are you on.
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• 3186[21:22:08] <c-c> I think I'm going to take out systemd in some point
• 3187[21:22:13] <greycat> I "restored" the /etc into /root/etc as a reference so I could copy over any files that I want from the old system, one by one.
• 3188[21:23:04] <somiaj> c-c: copying configs from $HOME hsa worked so well for me, I have configs from 10+ years ago I have not touched...note software upgrades sometimes require things, but this is always an issue with cloning, your image you use needs to be compadable with the version of debian you are using.
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• 3190[21:23:30] <somiaj> c-c: luckly debian stable is frozen, so you shoudln't expect things to change until you upgrade. So during a paticular debian stable your configs will work, just update when you start using the new release.
• 3191[21:23:36] <jhutchins_wk> The nice thing about Linux is there's often more than one "right way" to do things.
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• 3194[21:24:01] <greycat> My $HOME on my home PC still has some dot files dated 2002. I don't know if they're still used. Perhaps not.
• 3195[21:24:10] <jhutchins_wk> I upgraded my 32b jessie to 64b, and I had to remove my $HOME files and selectively restore, X wouldn't start.
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• 3201[21:28:35] <greycat> I'd be extremely surprised if changing arch made startx fail for me, but I use very simple, old-fashioned things. If you're using KGNOMEFCE stuff with Flux Capacitors, all bets are off. The people who do that bleeding edge crap tend not to live in my world.
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• 3203[21:29:04] <somiaj> I want a flux capacitor in my fvwm...
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• 3205[21:29:31] <somiaj> I'm surprised x had an issue there, but sometimes small things can cause unexpected issues.
• 3206[21:29:42] <greycat> I bet it wasn't X. I bet it was GNOME.
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• 3208[21:30:15] <greycat> Unless he had a literal error in a ~/.xsession file that would cause the window manager not to run, for some reason. But it's hard to see how.
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• 3211[21:30:51] <c-c> Openbox takes about 7 mb memory when it runs. Must be the quantum flux capacitors...
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• 3213[21:31:06] <candidat> ty greycat
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• 3215[21:31:31] <teraflops> ugh I wouldnt call gnome 3.22 from stretch bleeding edge
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• 3218[21:32:34] <greycat> Does it do Compisiting and Rendering and whatever the other Big Fancy Graphics Words are? Does it fail to start when the user hasn't installed the right proprietary firmware to make the video card do 3D Whatever? If so, it's bleeding edge as far as I'm concerned.
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• 3220[21:33:21] <c-c> teraflops: is there an alternative
• 3221[21:33:26] <teraflops> for what?
• 3222[21:33:50] <c-c> gnomey libraries
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• 3224[21:34:18] <c-c> - ie. what would you use instead?
• 3225[21:34:38] <greycat> I used fvwm. Apparently so does somiaj.
• 3226[21:34:46] <greycat> use*
• 3227[21:34:47] <teraflops> c-c: why? hmm I think I'm missing context
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• 3229[21:35:11] <autofsckk> hello, i need to install flash, i already putted contrib into my sources.list and tried to install it, i got this output replaced-url
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• 3231[21:35:34] <somiaj> autofsckk: do you need flash for firefox or chromium? In either case the debian packages are currently broken.
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• 3234[21:35:45] <teraflops> c-c: I do xmonad most of the time, with no compositing manager
• 3235[21:35:46] <somiaj> autofsckk: right now you have to manually install flash.
• 3236[21:35:50] <autofsckk> i know the problem is at adobe's server, or at list thats what the error says, but how can i make it work?
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• 3239[21:36:11] <autofsckk> i need it for mmm both? you can install it for just one of them?
• 3240[21:36:20] <somiaj> autofsckk: well the problem is a debian matainer puts meta data on their server because adobe is not relaiable, and the matainer hasn't not been available to update this metadata
• 3241[21:36:32] <somiaj> no one uses papi (pepperflash) and the other napi
• 3242[21:36:38] <somiaj> so you have to install them both seperatally
• 3243[21:36:50] <greycat> If you just want to watch some flash crap, the *simplest* solution is to install and run the proprietary google-chrome instead of any of the open source browsers.
• 3244[21:36:56] <somiaj> check the bug reports, the grave bug for flashplugin-nonfree contains info on how to manually install it.
• 3245[21:37:30] <autofsckk> i need to see a video from a friends hosting company support :/ i dont know why they use flash
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• 3251[21:38:37] <somiaj> getting google-chrome from google is the easiest way as greycat suggested, otherwise you'll have to a) download the plugin from adobe, 2) configure it to work on your system.
• 3252[21:38:59] <autofsckk> so i have to make it or download the deb from adobe?
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• 3256[21:40:31] <mefistofeles> autofsckk: there's no deb from adobe
• 3257[21:40:36] <somiaj> adobe doens't make .debs for debian, you'll have to download the .tar.gz file and copy the plugin to the right spot, and myabe write a configuration file for your browser (chromium here) to use it.
• 3258[21:41:11] <autofsckk> how do you use this ? "apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner" is what i get when i selecto the apt debian/ubuntu
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• 3260[21:41:28] <mefistofeles> not sure why some websites insist on flash though, but that's another discussion xD
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• 3266[21:42:01] <somiaj> autofsckk: what is that? did you download the appropriate linux .tar.gz file?
• 3267[21:43:08] <autofsckk> somiaj: yes i unpacked it
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• 3269[21:44:38] <somiaj> is this for firefox or chromium (napi or papi) plugin
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• 3277[21:47:35] <autofsckk> firefox
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• 3283[21:49:36] <somiaj> I think in this case you can just copy the libflashplugin.so into .mozilla/firefox/plugins or something like that.
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• 3285[21:49:55] <somiaj> I belive firefox is still fiarly nice about loading plugins (chromium is a pain, but I haven't tried with firefox for a long time)
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• 3288[21:51:34] <c-c> Hm, chromium?
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• 3290[21:51:47] <c-c> or, maybe theres nonfree chrome?
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• 3303[21:56:59] <autofsckk> it was very simple really, just put the .so file at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and thats it
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• 3306[21:57:13] <autofsckk> but the tarball had a lot of stuff in it
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• 3311[21:58:19] <somiaj> autofsckk: that works too, I think you need the debian package installed for that, so if you install the debian package everythign is setup, the script just fails to download the .so file so you have to add it
• 3312[21:59:28] <autofsckk> the thing was very strange, the apt did like all the install, without installing it of course, but after that i tried to install it again and it said that it was already installed
• 3313[21:59:55] <greycat> The package is a downloader with an outdated URL. It's really not strange.
• 3314[22:00:10] <greycat> What's strange is that it hasn't been fixed.
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• 3316[22:00:58] <autofsckk> its strange because it should not tell you that it is installed when it isnt
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• 3318[22:01:15] <greycat> Well, that would be another bug then.
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• 3321[22:01:25] <greycat> Maybe they'll fix that one after they fix the one where they give it a new URL.
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• 3334[22:08:02] <jhutchins_wk> I run xfce, not gnome, but it was an app that didn't like an old config or something basically crashing X at autologin.
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• 3345[22:12:05] <jhutchins_wk> I suspect it's the installer that's already installed.
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• 3348[22:12:37] <jhutchins_wk> I'm a little surprised it's not updated, the one time a URL change caught me the maintainer fixed it the same day I reported it. Guess he got busy.
• 3349[22:12:48] <greycat> I'm not sure how a package whose post-install can legitimately *fail* is supposed to work.
• 3350[22:13:15] <greycat> If the download fails, should it leave itself unconfigured, or what?
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• 3359[22:16:00] <greycat> I'm fairly confident that 0% of the people who come here and ask how 2 flash can do it.
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• 3362[22:16:48] <greycat> I've never seen a single person manage this feat. They always take some simpler route, like downloading the .tar.gz, extracting by hand, and copying the .so file to some directory. Nothing wrong with that.
• 3363[22:18:21] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: You act like the download inclludes a README file that tells you where to put which file.
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• 3366[22:19:00] <autofsckk> greycat: ive tried to do things by myself here in debian, and been told not to, that theres a debian way bla bla bla bla jajajajaj so im learning that, but it seems that mmm whatever
• 3367[22:19:43] <greycat> The "Debian way" if you're not the package maintainer, I think, would be to edit the postinst shell script and rerun it. Maybe. I'm not quite sure what state the package ends up in if the download fails.
• 3368[22:19:51] <jhutchins_wk> autofsckk: There's a hierarchy of methods and practices.
• 3369[22:20:04] <greycat> In the end what matters is that your computer is doing what you want it to do.
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• 3375[22:22:26] <Azrael_-> i just try to run "apt-get update" but it seems like i can't connect to the mirror using ipv6 ( 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb)] [Connecting to debian.mirrors.ovh.net (2001:41d0:1:7c8b::1)] ) i'm a noob regarding ipv6, can you give me some hints to debug them?
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• 3386[22:25:08] <jhutchins_wk> !disable ipv6
• 3387[22:25:08] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
• 3388[22:25:17] <Dagger> "debug", not "disable"
• 3389[22:25:20] <jolt> Azrael_-: if you do ip -6 r, it will show the default route (if any). If there is one, then run "ping6 2a00:<address>" and see if that works
• 3390[22:25:41] <jolt> Azrael_-: if not, then you don't have a proper ipv6 setup configured
• 3391[22:25:57] <jhutchins_wk> Azrael_-: If ipv6 is failing, there's a good chance it's not you.
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• 3394[22:26:31] <Dagger> doing `wget security.debian.org` might be useful, to see the connection order and get some useful error messages
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• 3407[22:35:55] <Berzerker> hello, I'm having a problem with apt, it seems to be ignoring my third party repo, is there any simple reason why it could be doing this
• 3408[22:36:01] <Azrael_-> ping6 2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb and ping6 2a00:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb doesn't work. "ip -6 r" shows some routes
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• 3414[22:42:07] <teraflops> Azrael_-: that works for me
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• 3418[22:44:38] <RandomGuyOnIrc> when building a new kernel, is it safe to run make in parallel mode? For example, "make -j5 deb-pkg" ?
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• 3422[22:47:35] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I guess I can try it and see what happens
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• 3424[22:48:02] <Azrael_-> i will probably reset the machine. i guess i screwed it up when enabling xen and reconfiguring the network
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• 3484[23:11:25] <Guest66095> hi guys, im running Debian 8 jessie but i would like to install posfix 3.x, how can I do that? thank you
• 3485[23:11:58] <greycat> ,checkbackport postfix
• 3486[23:11:59] <judd> Backporting package postfix in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
• 3487[23:12:12] <greycat> You can attempt a backport from stretch/sid sources.
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• 3491[23:13:32] <Guest66095> greycat: do i need to add some source sources.list ? for backporting
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• 3495[23:13:54] <greycat> !simple sid backport
• 3496[23:13:54] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 3502[23:16:13] <buhdoh> hellp - I've a turnkey lamp lxc that I'm trying to connect to mysql remotely with - my credential work correctly in the instance shell and `netstat -utlpn` shows port 3306 is listening, but whenever I try to connect I'm seeing "ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '172.16.1.210' (61)"
• 3503[23:16:36] <buhdoh> is there a setting I need to find to make that work?
• 3504[23:16:58] <Guest66095> greycat: i have now, deb replaced-url
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• 3508[23:17:29] <greycat> It's not *in* jessie-backports. That was the first thing I checked.
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• 3511[23:17:51] <greycat> Hence I checked (publically) whether a manual backport would be *possible*.
• 3512[23:19:13] <Azrael_-> this is the output of the wget-test for ipv6: replaced-url
• 3513[23:19:48] <Azrael_-> seems like no ipv6 works, always only the ipv4-fallback
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• 3515[23:20:09] <Dagger> Azrael_-: okay... so you have a v6 address configured but it's not working. anything in `ip6tables-save`?
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• 3517[23:20:57] <Azrael_-> Dagger: output is empty
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• 3526[23:23:19] <Dagger> no firewall then. erm... pastebin `ifconfig` and `ip -6 r`? I can look and see if they're sane
• 3527[23:23:28] <Dagger> or as sane as any OVH config can ever be, given their fucked up network
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• 3533[23:24:22] <Azrael_-> :)
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• 3538[23:26:24] <Brigo> buhdoh, did you try something like this? replaced-url
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• 3540[23:28:01] <Dagger> Azrael_-: (re: PM): move "2001:41d0:a:19ff:ff:ff:ff:ff dev eth0" and "default via 2001:41d0:a:19ff:ff:ff:ff:ff dev eth0" to use xenbr0
• 3541[23:28:02] <Azrael_-> Dagger: did you get the config?
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• 3543[23:28:32] <Dagger> and yes, it's retarded that you even have to have the first route, and it's retarded that the second isn't autoconfigured
• 3544[23:28:43] <Dagger> because apparently OVH doesn't know how to set a simple network up
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• 3553[23:33:09] <Azrael_-> wait a second, i think i figured it out
• 3554[23:33:10] <Azrael_-> testing
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• 3562[23:36:03] <emaillinux> hello
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• 3566[23:36:18] <emaillinux> can we one day have a debian release that includes an email client that actually works?
• 3567[23:36:24] <emaillinux> with GUI and GPG
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• 3570[23:36:58] <emaillinux> debian "stable" 8 - kmail shows dozen of errors, starts a loop of asking for kwallet password over and over, and finally crashes sigsegv
• 3571[23:37:04] <emaillinux> and sylphed does nothing
• 3572[23:37:34] <somiaj> from what I hear mutt works just fine.
• 3573[23:37:42] <Azrael_-> ok, i tried adding "dev xenbr0" at the end of the default routes but this didn't help. please provide me some hints how to configure this right
• 3574[23:37:46] <emaillinux> somiaj: GUI
• 3575[23:37:51] <somiaj> also check the bug reports, such things should be reported.
• 3576[23:37:55] <somiaj> ncurses is a semi gui. (:
• 3577[23:38:06] <emaillinux> somiaj: they are. kmail guys are "lol you use too old version screw you"
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• 3579[23:38:25] <Dagger> Azrael_-: (re: PM) I'd write it like this, personally: replaced-url
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• 3581[23:38:31] <Dagger> but I don't see where the eth0 stuff is coming from either
• 3582[23:38:35] <emaillinux> somiaj: gui, like the 80's have passed and we have graphical moves, like EGA, VGA and such
• 3583[23:38:41] <Dagger> anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/?
• 3584[23:38:52] <Dagger> or maybe just `grep -R ff:ff:ff:ff /etc`
• 3585[23:39:13] <somiaj> emaillinux: I mean reported to the debian BTS, the debian matainers should at least know about it. If not a grave bug, well maybe find a email client that works better. There is thunderbird and evolution. Not that I use either so can't give to much info.
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• 3588[23:40:11] <emaillinux> somiaj: both kmail and sylhped are unusable
• 3589[23:40:40] <emaillinux> it's so amazing how a supposedly large open source community can not deliver such most basic functionality
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• 3595[23:41:34] <Azrael_-> interfaces.d is empty, it is hidden in /etc/network/if-up.d/ipv6-routes
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• 3598[23:42:27] <Azrael_-> is "service networking restart" the proper way to reconfigure the network when i changed something? or do i always have to restart?
• 3599[23:43:57] <Dagger> `ifdown xenbr0; ifup xenbr0`
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• 3602[23:44:18] <Dagger> pretty sure `service networking restart` has been deprecated for ages and prints a message to that effect when you try to use it
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• 3604[23:44:50] <Azrael_-> currently it doesn't print anything like this. i always feared ifdown as i didn't think about directly chaining the commands like you showed me :)
• 3605[23:45:19] <Azrael_-> didn't want to wait, just rebooting it
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• 3608[23:45:42] <Dagger> best if done under screen so any disconnect doesn't interrupt it
• 3609[23:45:58] <Dagger> but that's basically true of any server admin anyway
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• 3615[23:48:47] <Azrael_-> Dagger: you're godlike, after changing the default route to xenbr0 it works now just like a charm!
• 3616[23:48:52] <Azrael_-> thank you very much!
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• 3618[23:49:16] <Azrael_-> haven't been using screen for a long time, didn't have much of a need to keep processes running after disconnecting
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• 3620[23:49:37] <Dagger> I should note that you might find OVH shut your port down if they see any different MAC addresses on there other than your server's
• 3621[23:49:56] <Dagger> and because they don't route you any v6 space you also can't do a routed v6 network either
• 3622[23:50:09] <mordicus> bonsoir parlez vous français?
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• 3626[23:50:38] <Azrael_-> until now i only used ipv4 and for this i can request special macs which they allow. didn't think about ipv6 regarding this setup yeet
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• 3631[23:52:19] <MuffinMedic> Hey guys, does anyone know of a command-line utility that can generate a single-line summary of system stats? I need something that does similar to below
• 3632[23:52:21] <MuffinMedic> System Information: Model: MacBook Air (13-inch, Mid-2012) • CPU: Intel Core i5-3427U (4 Threads, 2 Cores) @ 1.80 GHz • Memory: 8.00 GB • Uptime: 8 days • Disk Space: 120.10 GB • Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4000 • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 • OS: macOS Sierra (Version 10.12.4, Build 16E195)
• 3633[23:52:28] <MuffinMedic> ^ Basically that, but for debian
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• 3642[23:57:17] <Azrael_-> Dagger: and according to this document replaced-url
• 3643[23:57:26] <Azrael_-> so this doesn't sound that bad
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• 3645[23:58:21] <Dagger> Azrael_-: the one they mention in there isn't your range. it's the range on the WAN interface (and it's also /56 not /64, another thing they don't bother to tell you...)
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• 3649[23:59:56] <Azrael_-> are you also at ovh? (i'm just surprised how much you know about their environment)
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