Realtime Nick Name Ticker of #debian at freenode (ICQ IRC service)

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7[00:02:47] <genoobie> okay
8[00:03:06] <genoobie> foo is not in the sudoers group, this incident will be reported
9[00:03:13] <genoobie> how do I add foo to sudoers?
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11[00:03:50] <dvs> genoobie, add foo to sudo group
12[00:03:51] <petn-randall> genoobie: adduser foo sudoers
13[00:03:54] <jrtc27> !tell genoobie about sudoers
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15[00:04:11] <genoobie> thanks!
16[00:04:27] <jhutchins_wk> !fsck
17[00:04:27] <dpkg> well, fsck is a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. Ask me about <forcefsck>.
18[00:04:28] <genoobie> not sudo adduser foo sudoers?
19[00:04:35] * dvs notes that bar is jealous
20[00:04:42] <Logg> I do "nano /etc/sudoers" and copy the entry for root
21[00:04:58] <genoobie> Logg you'd have to sudo nano?
22[00:05:02] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: Obviously if you're not in sudoers you can't run sudo.
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25[00:05:05] <Logg> you can just do "su"
26[00:05:09] <jrtc27> !visudo
27[00:05:10] <dpkg> i heard visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers).
28[00:05:14] <jrtc27> Logg: ^
29[00:05:18] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: You'll have to be come root - use su -
30[00:05:23] <genoobie> otherwise you couldn't write
31[00:05:27] <genoobie> so sudo -i
32[00:05:46] <genoobie> then adduser foo sudoers?
33[00:05:50] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: No, su
34[00:05:51] <Plushwolf> !pico
35[00:05:52] <dpkg> Pico (Pine composer) is a newbie-friendly editor supplied with <pine>. As pine uses a <non-free> license, it is not available for Debian. For a free, superior replacement, ask me about <nano>. Another pico clone is available in the alpine-pico package.
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37[00:06:07] <genoobie> su adduser foo sudoers?
38[00:06:07] <Plushwolf> !nano
39[00:06:07] <dpkg> GNU nano is a text <editor>, the default editor on Debian systems since 4.0 "Etch". nano is also a DFSG-free alternative to <pico>. replaced-url
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41[00:06:24] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: No.
42[00:06:43] <Logg> su is a program that switches you to the root user
43[00:06:45] <Logg> well
44[00:06:47] <Logg> it switches users
45[00:06:52] <Logg> you can do "su [user]"
46[00:06:57] <jhutchins_wk> Hence s u
47[00:06:58] <genoobie> so su root?
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49[00:07:05] <Logg> that's redundant, but sure
50[00:07:10] <Logg> you can just do 'su'
51[00:07:11] <genoobie> then adduser foo sudoers
52[00:07:12] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: No. Quit trying to change what we're telling you.
53[00:07:22] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: Just su or su -
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55[00:07:36] <jhutchins_wk> You might look at the su manpage and see why.
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65[00:10:56] <Logg> anyone know where the source code for 'su' is? 'apt-get source su' didn't work for me
66[00:11:00] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: Yes, two steps.
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68[00:12:00] <jhutchins_wk> su root would in fact have unintended consequences.
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72[00:13:26] <genoobie> so it looks like
73[00:13:28] <genoobie> 1) su
74[00:13:43] <genoobie> 2) edit /etc/sudoers and copy the root line
75[00:14:06] <Logg> that's all I do, and it works for me. Probably the other way of adding user to group sudoers works too
76[00:14:39] <jhutchins_wk> Right, because there's already an entry for the group there.
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78[00:14:53] <Logg> makes sense
79[00:14:53] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: If you choose to edit the file directly, use visudo
80[00:15:05] <jhutchins_wk> It does a sanity check before it activates the changes.
81[00:15:09] <genoobie> jhutchins_wk, ok
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83[00:15:22] <jhutchins_wk> It also uses whatever default editor, so you don't have to know vi (yet).
84[00:15:44] <Logg> I use dvorak so vi is inconvenient. nano master race
85[00:16:04] <jhutchins_wk> !start an editor war
86[00:16:04] <dpkg> pico blows.
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88[00:16:16] <pressword> nano is just simple enough for my little mind :)
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90[00:16:42] <genoobie> so in the sudoers file, we have %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
91[00:16:46] <teraflops> ed!
92[00:16:51] <jhutchins_wk> You really can't call yourself a linux admin until you know vi or emacs.
93[00:16:59] <genoobie> so under this we add foo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
94[00:17:05] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: Oh, we had the wrong group name.
95[00:17:19] <jhutchins_wk> genoobie: That's one way.
96[00:17:23] <Logg> u wonna go m8 @jhutchin_wk
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99[00:19:01] <jhutchins_wk> edlin
100[00:19:22] <Guest12345> sed!
101[00:19:36] <jhutchins_wk> Programmers, on the other hand, edit in hex.
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105[00:20:21] <Guest12345> hexedit!
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107[00:21:43] <Guest12345> dhex!
108[00:21:52] <dvs> edlin
109[00:21:53] * dvs runs
110[00:22:35] <Guest12345> dhex is actually hard to find gem of an editor ;-)
111[00:23:40] <teraflops> acme, I won
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114[00:26:55] <Guest12345> how do you bookmark an editor?
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123[00:31:56] <teraflops> Guest12345: you mean inside?
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143[00:43:26] <Guest12345> no, I mean how do you make editor with stupid name easier to find
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145[00:44:17] <binaryc> Guest12345: bash alias
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166[00:57:24] <awal1> Why terminal A has more priority than B or vice versa in /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator?
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169[00:58:17] <awal1> terminal pkg requests/sets that or update-alternatives decides or what?
170[00:58:31] <Guest12345> binaryc: yes, that works for an editor you have already installed. Finding the terminal with apt is another problem.
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172[00:58:44] <awal1> also web browsers, WM's and so
173[00:58:51] <Guest12345> awal1: yes, the package sets the priority
174[00:59:50] <Guest12345> s/terminal/editor
175[01:00:50] <Guest12345> I guess I can roll my own package with easier to find name which depends on the package which is hard to find ;-)
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177[01:01:22] <awal1> Guest12345: ok; but why terminator decides to set it's priority as 90 and lxterminal 40 (just example)?
178[01:01:38] <binaryc> Guest12345: maintin a good dpkg-list
179[01:01:49] <awal1> or xfce4-session vs openbox-session
180[01:02:14] <Guest12345> yes, if you like one the best just set the alternative by hand
181[01:02:21] <awal1> I don't think it's arbitrary
182[01:02:34] <Guest12345> and beware it can be reset during massive upgrade
183[01:03:16] <awal1> I already know that; just trying to understand priority side, how it's really set
184[01:03:19] <Guest12345> it kind of is arbitrary. you can also choose session in display manager and most desktops have menus to choose terminal
185[01:04:10] <Guest12345> the priority is decided by package maintainers and is not always well coordinated
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187[01:04:33] <Guest12345> like a web browser that bitrots does not automagically get a lower priority
188[01:05:48] <awal1> well, I say openbox is 90 and fvwm2 also 90, for x-window-manager. Maybe somiaj have an idea :P
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192[01:07:02] <Guest12345> awal1: I solve this be removing all superfluous window managers ;-)
193[01:07:22] <awal1> Guest12345: :)
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195[01:07:53] <awal1> just trying to understand debian system stuff here
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197[01:08:10] <TomTomTosch> the priority is set in the postinst script of the package. it has no effect if you select an alternative manually.
198[01:08:37] <Guest12345> since you can see there are two WMs with same priority you can see the assignment is not very systematic
199[01:08:59] <awal1> right, no effect once x app is set as alternative manually
200[01:10:42] <rook2pawn> im geting missing operating system when putting debian install ISO on usb
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202[01:11:04] <unborn> guys when I create user like this : adduser --disabled-login --gecos username - does this option prevent user even from ssh operations based on keys?
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204[01:11:49] <rook2pawn> i put in USB key, umount /dev/sdc1, confirmed the debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso is ISOHybrid
205[01:12:22] <missmbob> how did you copy it to usb?
206[01:12:23] <rook2pawn> used the cp deb.iso /dev/sdc1; sync, also did the dd copy
207[01:12:38] <missmbob> cp deb.iso /dev/sdc *not* sdc1
208[01:12:54] <wewlad> doesn't a message '/var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php5.postinst: 291: [: !=: unexpected operator' sound very weird as if there's a typo in the updated version's code?
209[01:13:34] <somiaj> unborn: I think that only disables password login, not ssh login (but not positive)
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211[01:13:48] <rook2pawn> missmbob: the fdisk -l shows /dev/sdc1 the location of the usb key, do i just use /dev/sdc instead?
212[01:14:20] <unborn> hm.. i can ssh into any other account just for that one I cannot for some reason.. error in terminal is public key
213[01:14:43] <missmbob> rook2pawn: yes. it's in the install guide. you have to use the block device
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218[01:15:55] <somiaj> unborn: you can check things in /etc/passwd, but from the man page it seems --disabled-password is different than --disabled-login, and only the first says it also supports login in via SSH keys
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220[01:17:31] <rook2pawn> missmbob: sorry, could you direct me to the install guide you are looking at? i find a many different install plaaces on debian wiki
221[01:17:50] <rook2pawn> i was looking at replaced-url
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224[01:18:25] <sim590> My wifi interface is not present in the output of $(ip link)
225[01:18:44] <missmbob> rook2pawn: and it says "cp file device" /dev/sdc1 is the first partition. the device is /dev/sdc
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227[01:19:03] <wewlad> 'sudo apachectl -M': 'AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded. Action '-M' failed.'
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229[01:19:10] <unborn> somiaj: not much info in etc/passwd
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231[01:20:05] <sim590> I have a thinkpad t460s and this page: replaced-url
232[01:20:13] <sim590> What does this mean? There are no explanation.
233[01:20:14] <unborn> somiaj: just looking normal: git-user:x:1001:1001:gituser,,,:/home/git-user:/bin/bash
234[01:20:17] <rook2pawn> missmbob: thanks!
235[01:20:20] <somiaj> unborn: well from the manpage looks like you wanted disable-passowrd not disable-login
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237[01:20:42] <somiaj> unborn: check /etc/shadow (that is where the password would have been disabled)
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240[01:22:43] <somiaj> unborn: but to me it appears to be set up fine, unsure why ssh is not working, have you tired using ssh -v for more output?
241[01:24:22] <unborn> somiaj: in shadow I have git:!:and numbers:::
242[01:24:48] <unborn> somiaj: shall there be * instead of gituser:!
243[01:25:19] <unborn> i mean gituser:!:and numbers::: is there
244[01:25:34] <somiaj> unborn: unsure on the details, but yes that is how the password is disabled with a ! in there.
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247[01:25:54] <somiaj> unborn: looking at man shadow for more info
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249[01:26:54] <somiaj> hmm, it doens't explain the differnce between * and !. ! means locked password.
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254[01:29:40] <wewlad> in what conf file related to apache do I need to specify 'loadmodule'?
255[01:30:20] <somiaj> unborn: you could try changing it to a *, ! means locked account, * is just a character that will never match any password, so password login is disabled.
256[01:30:47] <wewlad> someone, please, help - I can't start apache after updating it
257[01:30:58] <wewlad> it says that no MPM module is loaded
258[01:31:13] <somiaj> wewlad: how did you update it? What version of debian are you running? what version of apache did you upgrade from/to?
259[01:31:16] <sim590> Okay. I had to use non-free in testing branch... :/
260[01:31:22] <wewlad> and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ does have mpm_prefork.conf and .load
261[01:31:23] <unborn> somiaj: yes
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263[01:31:45] <wewlad> somiaj: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. Debian 8.4
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265[01:32:20] <stoned> What is a good torrent client for cli that can open up magnet links?
266[01:32:25] <wewlad> as for apache version - I don't remember which one I updated from (I guess from quite a recent one) to the last one available in the apt-get upgrade
267[01:32:33] <stoned> I currently use ktorrent, but it's gooey
268[01:32:35] <unborn> that was it.. I just read the manual - well its not very clear however when I looked on my other accounts / daemons there was couple of stuff which had star
269[01:32:41] <missmbob> stoned: deluge
270[01:32:47] <stoned> cli?
271[01:32:55] <unborn> somiaj: thank you :)
272[01:33:09] <missmbob> stoned: yes. deluge-console
273[01:33:15] <somiaj> wewlad: Debian 8.4? Is this what you upgaded from?
274[01:33:16] <TomTomTosch> * and ! both mean the same in this instance. "If the password field contains some string that is not a valid result of crypt(3), for instance ! or *, the user will not be able to use a unix password to log in" passwd just uses ! to lock the password. so the old password hash gets stored after the ! if one existed.
275[01:33:24] <wewlad> somiaj: yes
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277[01:33:57] <somiaj> wewlad: hmm, strange, wonder if you had some other error in your config somewhere, I don't see a upgrade in jessie causing such changes.
278[01:33:59] <TomTomTosch> that quote is from man shadow.
279[01:34:01] <wewlad> somiaj: oh, wait
280[01:34:03] <unborn> somiaj: btw do we know equivalent to adduser --disabled-login --gecos ? so there will be next time * instead of !
281[01:34:04] <unborn> ?
282[01:34:06] <wewlad> turns out it's 8.6 already
283[01:34:26] <somiaj> unborn: I said from the manpage that --disabled-passowrd is not the same as --disabled-login
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285[01:35:32] <unborn> ah right so same command but just --disable-password
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288[01:36:16] <genoobie> would you say this is a reasonable guide for an nvidia card?
289[01:36:18] <genoobie> replaced-url
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291[01:36:38] <wewlad> :(
292[01:36:42] <bazhang> for what genoobie
293[01:36:53] <wewlad> debian killed my apache :'(
294[01:37:26] <genoobie> bazhang, for installing proprietary drivers for an nvidia card...
295[01:37:52] <bazhang> genoobie, from the debian wiki?
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297[01:37:55] <somiaj> genoobie: it is fine, though I prefer this facotid
298[01:37:59] <somiaj> !tell genoobie about nvidia dkms
299[01:38:19] <somiaj> genoobie: note that is for the current driver, if you need a legacy driver for your hardware you ahve to adjust
300[01:38:40] <genoobie> somiaj, it is an older card...
301[01:38:43] <somiaj> wewlad: I think it was something else that the upgrade just triggered when apache had to restart.
302[01:38:59] <wewlad> somiaj: it worked fine before
303[01:39:03] <somiaj> genoobie: for older cards, see if the current driver supports them or you need the legacy-driver
304[01:39:23] <wewlad> !tell wewlad about fixing apache after apt-get upgrade broke it
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306[01:39:27] <somiaj> wewlad: well track down the error, look at the logs.
307[01:39:33] <genoobie> somiaj, current driver is nouveau...
308[01:39:59] <somiaj> genoobie: but many older cards will be supported by nouveau just fine. Anyways, the driver you need depends ont he card, and 'its an older card' doesn't say much
309[01:40:12] <somiaj> genoobie: you can check the info of the apckages to what card(s) are supported for each driver
310[01:40:15] <genoobie> it's a geforce 6800
311[01:40:20] <genoobie> nvidia
312[01:40:31] <somiaj> you may not be able to use a non-free driver for that one at all.
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314[01:40:43] <wewlad> somiaj: I tried that, no luck: 'systemctl restart apache2' [for changes to take effect], it says that 'job for apache2.service failed' and it suggested me to see 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
315[01:40:43] <wewlad> I did execute the first suggested one and it basically just says that 'systemd[1]: apache2.service: control process exited, code=exited status=1 systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: Apache2 web server systemd[1]: Unit apache2service entered failed state.'.
316[01:40:47] <somiaj> nvidia just stops supporting cards after soem time, nouveau may be your best choice.
317[01:40:49] <sim590> I have installed firmware-wlwifi for my thinkpad t460s. Now, nmcli shows that my wifi card is "disconnected"
318[01:40:58] <genoobie> on the wiki page it says supported?
319[01:41:48] <somiaj> genoobie: you are running jessie correct?
320[01:41:56] <wewlad> are there any drivers for gtx nvidia cards?
321[01:42:00] <genoobie> somiaj, yes, a noob though
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325[01:43:03] <genoobie> the pcid is listed.
326[01:43:16] <wewlad> I see
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328[01:43:41] <somiaj> genoobie: for which driver?
329[01:43:41] <genoobie> so this line is a bit scary...
330[01:44:01] <genoobie> for the 304.131
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332[01:44:26] <genoobie> aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
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334[01:44:48] <genoobie> I have *no* idea what installing linux headers even means..
335[01:45:03] <somiaj> those are needed to compile the driver
336[01:45:13] <wewlad> is there a way to re-install apache2 package without having to worry about losing configs?
337[01:45:19] <somiaj> that line just installs the headers for the kernel you are running
338[01:45:40] <somiaj> wewlad: sure --reinstall flag will do that, but so far you haven't found the actual error.
339[01:45:43] <genoobie> so no fear...push on!
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341[01:45:54] <wewlad> somiaj: the error is that no MPM module is loaded.
342[01:45:57] <wewlad> that's it.
343[01:46:15] <likcoras_> Uh, hello! in ranger, when I open an archive file, it's supposed to just do 'als' and then show the output on pager. But for some reason it keeps forking pager, like so: ttps://a.uguu.se/Jx0O3UiCPeIo.png
344[01:46:19] <wewlad> and disabling and re-enabling it - doesn't help
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346[01:46:37] <likcoras_> replaced-url
347[01:46:51] <wewlad> awesome
348[01:46:52] <somiaj> wewlad: well my suggestion is paste some actual logs at paste.debian.net and maybe someone more familar with debian's apache can look at them to see what is going on.
349[01:47:06] <likcoras_> Why is it doing this?
350[01:47:18] <somiaj> likcoras_: what version of debian are you running?
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352[01:47:35] <wewlad> somiaj: can I clean logs by just flushing the /var/log/apache2 dir?
353[01:47:36] <likcoras_> jessie
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355[01:48:11] <somiaj> wewlad: you shouldn't need to clean the logs, but anyways, I don't know enough about apache to be able to give much advise with the info you have provided.
356[01:48:20] <somiaj> likcoras_: hmm, have you checked bugreports about this?
357[01:48:33] <likcoras_> Oh, where should I check
358[01:48:34] <likcoras_> ?
359[01:48:57] <likcoras_> Oh, and top seems to segfault when trying to show this happening. that too.
360[01:48:58] <somiaj> likcoras_: replaced-url
361[01:49:24] <wewlad> somiaj: there's no --reinstall flag for apt-get
362[01:49:57] <somiaj> likcoras_: you may report a bug there, or see if you can look up some info on ranger to see why it is doing this
363[01:50:00] <somiaj> wewlad: yes there is
364[01:50:05] <likcoras_> Huh...
365[01:50:05] <somiaj> wewlad: check the manpage
366[01:50:14] <wewlad> [root] ~/ # apt-get --reinstall apache2
367[01:50:14] <wewlad> E: Command line option --reinstall is not understood
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369[01:50:36] <somiaj> wewlad: apt-get --reinstall install apache2 (though this will most likely just get the meta package and not the server)
370[01:50:54] <wewlad> :/
371[01:51:14] <wewlad> what a weird command call
372[01:51:49] <somiaj> wewlad: what? no it is normal, apt-get install foo is the normal thing, you are just adding the --reinstall flag to it, note this is a flag not a command
373[01:51:56] <somiaj> wewlad: apt-get always requires some command
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377[01:52:46] <wewlad> why not 'apt-get reinstall package'?
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379[01:52:54] <sim590> b/quit
380[01:52:58] <TomTomTosch> because there is no reinstall command.
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382[01:53:04] <genoobie> okay, so now I am at this page...
383[01:53:05] <genoobie> replaced-url
384[01:53:07] <wewlad> exactly
385[01:53:23] <TomTomTosch> that's why man pages exist. ^^
386[01:53:27] <genoobie> where there are two options, one to automatically create an xorg.conf and a manual way to do the same
387[01:53:34] <wewlad> that's a poor approach
388[01:53:46] <somiaj> genoobie: use the small xorg.conf snippet, no need to generate a full config file
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391[01:54:07] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: you can complain for ten minutes or just read for five.
392[01:54:12] <genoobie> you mean the small snippet on that page?
393[01:54:32] <genoobie> what about the "automatic" nvidia-xconfig
394[01:54:49] <somiaj> likcoras_: can you configure which pager is used? if you just say use the pager 'less' does it work normally? (trying to see if it is sensible-pager causing the issue or ranger)
395[01:54:49] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: I can do both
396[01:54:50] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: the reinstall option is useful for multiple command. that's why it's an option.
397[01:55:00] <genoobie> would that simply be apt-get install nvidia-xconfig ?
398[01:55:02] <TomTomTosch> * commands
399[01:55:14] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: like?
400[01:55:19] <somiaj> genoobie: no, that is building a whole config.
401[01:55:28] <likcoras_> somiaj: trying a bunch of things, but "less" does seem to work
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403[01:55:34] <wewlad> reinstall is an action
404[01:55:36] <wewlad> itself
405[01:55:39] <likcoras_> and $PAGER seems to expand to 'sensible-pager'
406[01:55:41] <somiaj> likcoras_: replaced-url
407[01:55:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
408[01:56:03] <somiaj> likcoras_: looks like it is sensible-pager in your sistuation, change the pager as you'll have to patch/rebuild sensiable-pager to use it correclty
409[01:56:33] <somiaj> likcoras_: yea if $PAGER=sensible-pager seems to be bug in sensible-pager calling itself over and over and over and not calling an actual pager.
410[01:56:43] <likcoras_> lol alright
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412[01:57:00] <likcoras_> just s/$PAGER/less/g would probably do. oh well, thanks!
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414[01:57:46] <binaryc> dist-upgraded a VM slower than i expected. What resource binds ? curious for the next one. worth temporarily throwing threads at it ?
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416[01:58:10] <somiaj> likcoras_: or set $PAGER to something besides sensible-pager (including being empty)
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418[01:58:38] <wewlad> so I did 'apt-get remove apache2' and then 'apt-get install apache2' and it says: Job for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
419[01:58:38] <wewlad> invoke-rc.d: initscript apache2, action "restart" failed.'
420[01:58:47] <adri44> hi anyone know a adobe IRC channel ?
421[01:59:05] <likcoras_> somiaj: but $PAGER isn't even set. ranger seems to decide to set it as sensible-pager if it's empty or something.
422[01:59:09] <somiaj> binaryc: it takes a good amount of internet to download all the .debs and with a local mirror you can speed up the download part. But the cpu part of extracting then procssing all of the install/remove scripts takes a while, disk i/o can slow this down so can cpu speed.
423[01:59:30] <somiaj> likcoras_: ahh, well if it weren't for the bug in sensible-pager (: anyways, at least you know where the issue is.
424[01:59:45] <likcoras_> It's fixed, so all's good.
425[01:59:52] <likcoras_> No more accidental forkbombs
426[01:59:52] <somiaj> wewlad: why not paste some actual apache logs like I've mentioned already.
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429[02:00:17] <wewlad> somiaj: replaced-url
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432[02:01:09] <wewlad> I don't see anything useful in these logs
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436[02:01:24] <somiaj> wewlad: that is not the apache log, also notice how ti says the apache error log may contain more info.
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439[02:02:11] <wewlad> somiaj: pastebinit /var/log/apache2/error.log
440[02:02:11] <wewlad> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
441[02:02:34] <wewlad> I call bullshit on debian
442[02:02:38] <wewlad> it screwed up
443[02:02:38] <somiaj> well what package containst he MPM module, is that one sucessful installed, just disable that moduel for the time being, and see if that fixes it
444[02:02:40] <wewlad> not apache
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446[02:03:03] <somiaj> wewlad: there are lots of people who upgrade just fine and it works, just because you run across an issue doesn't mean it isn't working nicely for most users.
447[02:03:27] <wewlad> somiaj: just because they upgrade just fine - it doesn't mean it works nicely for me
448[02:03:30] <somiaj> it also makes us less like to help if you just add complaining noise instead of trying to track down the source of the problem.
449[02:04:05] <somiaj> disable the offending module, does that fix it?
450[02:04:13] <wewlad> no
451[02:05:01] <wewlad> because one can't just disable an MPM module and expect things to work
452[02:05:12] <wewlad> I could select another MPM though
453[02:05:47] <wewlad> yeah, with mpm_event things do work
454[02:05:49] <somiaj> another MPM module? Are you using the default one that comes with apache (again I don't know apache that well so unsure about its modules)
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456[02:05:56] <wewlad> I'm using mpm_prefork
457[02:05:59] <somiaj> which MPM module were you using?
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460[02:06:29] <somiaj> is this mpm_prefok provided by a debian package?
461[02:06:40] <wewlad> I guess so
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463[02:07:49] <somiaj> you guess so? I'm just trying to track down what package has the offending module and not finding mpm-prefok in debian, but again unsure how apache orginzes things
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465[02:08:42] <wewlad> somiaj: yes, I guess so because I don't know how to make sure it is so, but as far as I remember I haven't installed anything from non-debian packages other than wine-development
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468[02:08:55] <wewlad> apache organizes things just well
469[02:09:04] <wewlad> problem is how debian tries to reorganize them
470[02:09:21] <somiaj> wewlad: debian does just fine, but I'm done trying to help.
471[02:09:22] <wewlad> so I guess that debian's stable package of apache contains a broken module
472[02:10:11] <baraba> i am going to upgrade to sid, wish me luck
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475[02:11:57] <binaryc> thx somiaj - debs dl were quick. had headroom on ram and single CPU core. Didn't check ZFS disk latency. may take a peek later for curiosity.
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480[02:13:16] <somiaj> wewlad: anways, now that you have figured out where the bug is, you can try to debug it more or just submit a bugrepot if you think this is an actual bug. Debian likes to know about bugs. But personally I would see if this affects a fresh install of Debian (or maybe just a chroot install) or if it has something to do with a configuration on your system.
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483[02:15:24] <wewlad> somiaj: I don't feel like an alphatester when I'm using a f---ing stable release branch of a distro that advertises self as very stable one, especially when a bug like that happens (it's not like I have a very unique and custom config, I just selected one of the 3 available mpm_ modules!)
484[02:15:25] <somiaj> binaryc: yea in chroots I seems to spend a lot of time watching pacakges get extracted then configured. It is probabaly a combination of cpu use and then waiting for i/o, guess I'm just use to it being kinda slow.
485[02:15:37] <wewlad> somiaj: but thanks for the tips.
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494[02:21:32] <leptone> how can I find out which Centrino Wireless-N 1000 WiFi card (which for the four possible model numbers) I have on my machine?
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497[02:21:59] <ksft> aha!
498[02:22:04] <ksft> I might be able to help someone
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500[02:22:39] <somiaj> leptone: lspci shoudl list the chipset, lspci -n to get pciid
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502[02:22:55] <ksft> …or not
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504[02:26:44] <leptone> somiaj, lspci shows Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak]
505[02:26:59] <leptone> which doesn't give me any info about the model number
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507[02:27:10] <somiaj> leptone: get the actual pciid
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510[02:27:55] <leptone> somiaj, how do i interpret this? replaced-url
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513[02:28:50] <ksft> leptone: try `lspci | grep -i network`
514[02:29:17] <leptone> somiaj, pciid?
515[02:29:31] <leptone> ksft, Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak]
516[02:29:37] <leptone> doesnt give me model number
517[02:29:46] <ksft> oh
518[02:29:56] <TomTomTosch> the hexadecimal numbers inside of square brackets. lspci -nn | grep -i network will have them.
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520[02:30:11] <ksft> ah, yes
521[02:30:15] <ksft> -nn, not -s
522[02:30:16] <ksft> -n*
523[02:30:48] <TomTomTosch> lspci -n only helps in combination with the full lspci output, else you can hardly reference.
524[02:31:30] <leptone> ksft, what command are you telling me to run sry?
525[02:31:43] <ksft> leptone: TomTomTosch is right
526[02:31:56] <ksft> leptone: `lspci -nn | grep -i network`
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531[02:34:12] <leptone> ksft, replaced-url
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534[02:36:31] <TomTomTosch> ,pciid [8086:0083]
535[02:36:32] <judd> [8086:0083] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
536[02:36:44] <ksft> well that isn't helpful
537[02:38:28] <somiaj> leptone: why do you need the version number?
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542[02:44:53] <happer> best irc client?
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544[02:45:11] <bazhang> hexchat for gui
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546[02:45:21] <bazhang> irssi or weechat for cli
547[02:46:40] <fuddie> I enjoy Polari
548[02:46:45] <fuddie> it is the gnome irc client
549[02:46:55] <ebarch> The Lounge is awesome if you want a self hosted web app
550[02:48:33] <happer> thank you mlady
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555[02:50:52] <TomTomTosch> leptone: what 802.11 protocols does your adapter support? (root) iwconfig wlan0
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561[02:53:40] <efloid> so I have a question: for the extra second that occurs at 23:59:60 UTC on the 31st, if we watch the time on a Linux system will we see 23:59:60?
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565[02:54:40] <efloid> of course its 03:00 CET now...
566[02:56:54] <mns> efloid: you might see it for a second :)
567[02:57:10] <petn-randall> efloid: If you're fast enough, sure :)
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569[02:57:32] <petn-randall> efloid: You won't see it on Google servers, though, they've been doing time smearing for quite a while now.
570[02:57:44] <mns> "time smearing" ?
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576[03:03:01] <efloid> well the question i guess is has the second been incorporated into a released tzdata update?
577[03:03:24] <efloid> i don't see any mention of it in the changelog which worries me
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579[03:03:41] <somiaj> efloid: I don't think leapseconds are done locally, just use ntp to keep in sync
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581[03:04:20] <efloid> somiaj: i was afraid that might be the case
582[03:04:21] <petn-randall> mns: They don't add an extra leap second, but they skew the time over 24h via internal NTP servers to add an extra second.
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586[03:04:56] <mns> petn-randall: ahhh ok
587[03:05:07] <mns> petn-randall: thanks for the explanation
588[03:05:09] <efloid> oh well, bummer, because i really wanted to "watch" it, e.g. watch -p -n 1 date -u
589[03:05:30] <efloid> since it occurs at 15:59:60 my local time
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592[03:06:09] <efloid> would be cool to put it on a projector on a wall :-)
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596[03:07:11] <mns> efloid: it occurs in the middle of the day for you ?
597[03:07:35] <efloid> mns: yes 8 hours behind
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600[03:08:41] <efloid> well, that really sucks! ruined my geek holi-second!
601[03:09:02] <mns> you're on Central European Time?
602[03:09:49] <efloid> mns: ? no: -8 not +1
603[03:10:23] <mns> 8 hours behind is Pacific time isn't it ? PST. I thought CET was Central European Time.
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605[03:11:19] <mns> my source of confusion: <efloid> of course its 03:00 CET now...
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609[03:11:48] <efloid> mns: yes i was just referring to the fact that the #chan seemed empty :-)
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612[03:12:03] <mns> ahhh duh !! ok
613[03:12:05] <mns> lol ..
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640[03:30:00] <TomTomTosch> efloid: you might actually see 23:59:60 on 12/31/2016 if you have no ntp installed and an updated tzdata.
641[03:30:14] <TomTomTosch> it's mentioned in the changelog. replaced-url
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644[03:31:38] <TomTomTosch> ntp might actually smear it with the default configuration, i'm not sure.
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646[03:32:33] <TomTomTosch> or at least not allow for a 60th second.
647[03:33:40] <TomTomTosch> s/ntp/ntpd
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652[03:38:15] <themill> "It's complicated"™. You'll get 23:59:60 but it will have the same epoch second as 23:59:59.
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656[03:39:47] <themill> (AWS and/or google cloud stuff were doing the smearing)
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739[04:21:10] <sim590> I have setup an EFI partition /dev/sda1, LVM volume partition (/boot) /dev/sda2 and a final encrypted LUKS container for LVM /root partition /dev/sda3. Now, when I boot, grub seems to ask for a passphrase for (hd0, gpt1), but doesn't use that because /boot is not encrypted. Then, when linux boots, it asks for my key to decrypt /dev/sda3 which is expected. So I have this first passphrase prompt which is
740[04:21:12] <sim590> useless and that I would like to get rid of.
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744[04:23:49] <sim590> My /etc/default/grub is replaced-url
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754[04:34:29] <screamslash> i need a real time screen magnifier that follows my mouse around and doesnt go away until i tell it to what are my options in debian?
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757[04:36:10] <sim590> What I see is exactly this: replaced-url
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765[04:40:06] <screamslash> i need a real time screen magnifier that follows my mouse around and doesnt go away until i tell it to what are my options in debian?
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774[04:49:25] <kevoroid> I need help, I have kernel 4.8 installed on my Debian, my wifi driver (broadcom wl.ko) constantly causes kernel panic, so i installed kernel 4.3 as i remember it was stable, now my laptop wont boot and there are bunch of errors on XFS
775[04:49:57] <kevoroid> like "internal error xfs_trans_cancel at line 990 ..." and "Metadata corruption detected at xfs_agf_read_verify ..."
776[04:50:30] <kevoroid> i know filesystem is correct since if i reboot and boot with 4.8 again, everything works, but with 4.3 it wont
777[04:50:56] <kevoroid> am i missing something? some pkg i should have installed that i didnt?
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809[05:13:01] <kevoroid> anyone?
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836[05:28:48] <phen> Hello. I noticed something a bit strange concerning my CPU temp on a new laptop. Whenever i tab into a firefox tab playing a youtube video, it goes from an idle of about 32C to about 60-70C
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838[05:29:45] <phen> Its a little bit concerning and I was wondering if there was anything I could do about it. I'm running debian 8.6, with a 4.9 kernel, and I have an i5-6198DU
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841[05:30:10] <genoobie> jim, you here?
842[05:30:17] <genoobie> Artemis3, you're also here
843[05:30:36] <fp7> jim's afk pretty sure
844[05:30:59] <genoobie> fp7, he's running jessie and I just finished installing it
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847[05:31:28] <genoobie> but I want to add some sound packages to make a complete recording studio
848[05:31:41] <genoobie> I added contrib and non-free and jessie-backports
849[05:32:00] <genoobie> but I want a stable system so I don't want to delve much into that...
850[05:32:01] <petn-randall> phen: That's still well within spec. Current CPUs cut off somewhere around 85-90°C.
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852[05:32:41] <dvs> genoobie, adding contrib, nonfree, and jessie-backports are considered pretty stable.
853[05:32:54] <phen> petn-randall wont 60C for prolonged periods of time be bad though?
854[05:33:12] <phen> I'm also kind of concerned by the circumstances. Its only a problem when the video is the active window
855[05:33:14] <petn-randall> phen: Highly doubt it.
856[05:33:38] <petn-randall> phen: Because when you tab to the video it has to be rendered, and that uses CPU cycles.
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858[05:33:45] <purana--> phen : sounds sort of normal to me
859[05:34:04] <purana--> as pten-randall said above
860[05:34:21] <phen> petn-randall i know. But right now I have the eve soundtrack playing off of a youtube video, which is a still image
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862[05:34:57] <purana--> phen: what happens if you close browser and perhaps play music from another app
863[05:35:11] <purana--> phen: it might not be so bad, as the music app will have lower resource overhead
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865[05:35:45] <phen> Yeah, but then i'd have to hunt for a DL of all the music i want to listen to, or rip it from the videos
866[05:35:59] <genoobie> I'm going to try avlinux but I don't like the "testing" branch
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868[05:36:05] <genoobie> should I be worried?
869[05:36:20] <dvs> genoobie, you should *NOT* use testing.
870[05:36:31] <phen> But I imagine my temp issues would immediately disappear
871[05:36:31] <genoobie> okay, then I won't :)
872[05:36:34] <purana--> genoobie: only if its a test (2nd machine)
873[05:36:43] <purana--> i wouldn't use testing on a primary computer
874[05:36:47] <phen> Again, the temp goes down if i have the video playing in another tab thats not the active tab
875[05:37:17] <dvs> ,v avlinux
876[05:37:18] <judd> No package named 'avlinux' was found in amd64.
877[05:37:20] <purana--> phen: laptop has dedicated video or onboard
878[05:37:56] <phen> I think it probably uses the intel integrated graphics on the i5
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881[05:38:42] <purana--> phen: I just think the onboard video device needs more cpu time when tab is active
882[05:39:00] <purana--> phen: i woudn't put too much focus on it at this stage
883[05:39:26] <phen> Yeah, I figured as much. Still, 60C seems high
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885[05:40:20] <petn-randall> phen: The still image is still a video stream that needs to be decoded.
886[05:41:16] <petn-randall> phen: You could use htop/powertop to check if the readings make sense. And you can use mps-youtube to rip music from YT.
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888[05:41:55] <petn-randall> phen: Only thing I can think of is that somehow HW video acceleration is broken, and that the CPU does it at much higher overhead.
889[05:42:34] <fuddie> what is SDDM, is it better than LightDM?
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892[05:43:31] <phen> petn-randall I just let the video run for a little while to see how high temp would go. It actually hit about 72
893[05:43:54] <awal1> phen; sounds normal for me what you are talking about. My cpu core temp. is always between 50 /70 º C if I play adobe flash /html5 multimedia content on firefox-esr and chromium. degree varies depending on how many tabs are playing/running flash/html5 multimedia content; otherwise (if no flash/html5) temp it's under 50 º C. so all fine , I think
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897[05:45:16] <phen> awal but my cpu temp doesnt just go up if i ahve a tab playing a video. If its in the background it hovers at 30C
898[05:45:51] <missmbob> that's because it's not decoding the video part when the tab isnt active
899[05:45:56] <phen> I've got 3 tabs playing music in the background right now and CPU temp is hovering at 43
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903[05:47:23] <petn-randall> phen: Guess that proves our little theory.
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905[05:48:04] <phen> :(
906[05:49:12] <petn-randall> phen: You can use 'powertop' to check if the CPU is 100% busy, then that's a pretty normal temperature.
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908[05:49:26] <awal1> well, I just know that my temp goes above 45 only when i play html5/flash
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911[05:50:19] <phen> man
912[05:50:25] <phen> webvideos are so trash
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914[05:50:40] <genoobie> so when I search "ardour" there are a few ardour versions that come up
915[05:51:59] <genoobie> one is ardour i686 "optimized" to work on a 686 system
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917[05:52:18] <phen> Why cant I just watch a video of some kid hitting a grown man in the head with an inflatable ball so hard that he falls flat on his back without slowly killing my laptop
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919[05:53:07] <awal1> ,v smtube
920[05:53:08] <dvs> phen, my guess would be lack of video acceleration.
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922[05:53:09] <judd> Package: smtube on amd64 -- jessie: 14.8.0-1; jessie-backports: 15.5.10-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 15.5.10-1; sid: 15.5.10-1
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924[05:54:22] <awal1> phen: if you install smtube, you may don't need firefox/chromium for youtube at all
925[05:55:00] <awal1> I use it sometimes
926[05:55:23] <phen> error, could not connect to youtube server
927[05:56:20] <phen> lol nvm, repos version is like 2 major versions behind
928[05:56:23] <awal1> try updating youtube code
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930[05:57:29] <awal1> clic "Help" then "update youtube code"
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935[06:00:09] <awal1> sid version works perfectly
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939[06:04:02] <efloid> TomTomTosch: thanks
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943[06:07:18] <genoobie> bbiam
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948[06:10:23] <awal1> phen: check if opening youtube videos in the main smtube window works when you get errors about url not found or about server errors instead of opening them with an extra app (right clic in the video and choose open video en this window or something like that)
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984[06:25:14] <bumblefuzz> how do I delete the first 7 characters of a file?
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986[06:27:08] <bumblefuzz> how do I delete the first 7 characters of every line of a file?
987[06:27:44] <somiaj> bumblefuzz: there are various tools, but you would have to parse through it line by line and useing something like sed
988[06:28:00] <n4dir> or a decent editor.
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991[06:29:45] <somiaj> cat file | sed 's/^.\{7\}//' > new_file should do it
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997[06:32:34] <n4dir> somiaj: bash pittfalls, probably, don't use cat with sed.
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999[06:33:49] <mns> use echo, not cat
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1001[06:35:05] <stoned> why use cat or echo?
1002[06:35:07] <stoned> just use sed
1003[06:35:14] <n4dir> ^^ that
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1009[06:36:09] <phen> I totally found my problem
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1013[06:36:56] <phen> I remembered that i had to uninstall xserver-xorg-video-intel when i upgraded to kernel 4.8 (because 3.16 wouldnt recognize the elantech touchpad in my laptop)
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1019[06:37:53] <stoned> use sed to make sure that the stream is being edited properly
1020[06:38:09] <stoned> once you verify the output, you can do in place file editing with sed -i
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1025[06:39:30] <n4dir> if cat at all, use lolcat ! :-)
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1029[06:40:15] <maus> Hi, how do i download etch repository ? "apt-get update" does not work, /etc/apt/sources.list has lines like this: deb replaced-url
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1035[06:44:25] <somiaj> maus: I think you need a debian in there, so replaced-url
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1039[06:48:22] <maus> somiaj: thank you ..
1040[06:48:35] <maus> it worked out..
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1048[06:53:03] <freqnasty> how can i mount an iso with rw permission?
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1050[06:54:46] <maus> freqnasty: i really dont know, i did it in the past, check for something like "mount -o loop " man mount , but that is old , or wait for help
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1054[06:56:07] <freqnasty> im getting this error: mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
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1056[06:56:41] <phen> Alrighty, so I've been hunting down the root cause of some CPU temp issues when watching any kind of video, and I think I narrowed it down. It looks like the drivers for my intel integrated drivers arent working
1057[06:56:44] <n4dir> a iso file like in a live or installation CD iso? And with rw as you want to add something to it?
1058[06:56:54] <n4dir> freqnasty:
1059[06:58:07] <phen> For clarification, I had to upgrade to kernel 4.8 because 3.16 wouldnt recognize my elantech touchpad. The the xserver-xorg-video-intel drivers from jessie stable wouldnt work (i.e. no booting), so I had to install the package from backports, which at least let me boot
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1061[06:59:09] <phen> But it doesnt look like my drivers are working still. Here's a quick terminal snippet replaced-url
1062[06:59:25] <aypea[1]> should ifquery be safe to use as part of an interface config that is getting ifuped?
1063[06:59:31] <freqnasty> n4dir, yes
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1065[07:00:06] <phen> What kind of chance is there of getting these drivers working? Should I just suck it up and wait for debian 9?
1066[07:00:10] <somiaj> freqnasty: iso is a read only file system, you need to regenrate an iso if you want to make add/remove stuff.
1067[07:00:30] <n4dir> I wouldn't bet, but recall it doesn't work (don't take my word for it !). Look at the second post in this archive: replaced-url
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1069[07:00:45] <Logg> phen: just upgrade to debian stretch it's great
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1073[07:01:17] <n4dir> you could give refractasnapshot (refracta being a remix of debian/now-devuan, refractasnapshot a tool written in bash to create customized isos).
1074[07:01:31] <n4dir> debian repos have tools for it too, iirc
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1076[07:02:15] <n4dir> but if you ask in the refracta forum, someone might give you a hand (they've been at such for years and years). assuming no one here will give you a hand
1077[07:02:27] <phen> Logg how stable is stretch?
1078[07:02:43] <phen> also, do i have to do a clean reinstall or can i do it from 8.6?
1079[07:02:56] <somiaj> phen: stretch is freezing. The soft freeze is jan 5th, the full freeze is feb 5th.
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1081[07:03:22] <Logg> phen: almost stable. it's just about to come out
1082[07:03:30] <somiaj> phen: it is fairly stable now, except it has no timely security support. You can upgrade your current system to stretch, but you may encouter bugs depending on what software you use.
1083[07:03:47] <somiaj> well I woudldn't say just about, it still hasn't frozen.
1084[07:03:50] <Logg> you can just upgrade from stable
1085[07:03:58] <somiaj> after it freezes takes a few months or so to work out all the rc-bugs
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1087[07:04:35] <phen> is this a few months after the initial freeze or the final freeze?
1088[07:04:50] <somiaj> phen: final freeze, and few could be 4-6 months
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1090[07:05:09] <somiaj> though debian is trying to get faster at working out rc bugs beween the hard freeze (feb 5th) and the release.
1091[07:05:48] <Logg> __0: no
1092[07:05:48] <somiaj> phen: stretch isn't that bad right now. You may need a little knowledge of debian to deal with any bugs you may encounter. I use a minimial system so that means fewer packages and fewer bugs but it works here.
1093[07:06:13] <phen> Ugh. I need to do a bunch of embedded related stuff for a school project
1094[07:06:15] <somiaj> phen: the other thing is you won't get timely security support, one recent example what the chromium ssl issue that took about 10+ days to make it into testing.
1095[07:06:40] <phen> I dont have the kind of timetables that allow for bug related fuckery
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1097[07:06:50] <somiaj> then testing is not ready
1098[07:06:59] <phen> :(
1099[07:07:04] <Logg> testing is testing
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1101[07:07:16] <Logg> but for me it works now
1102[07:07:36] <Logg> less buggy than trying to get my graphics from jessie-backports
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1104[07:07:56] <phen> I mean, I run the risk of fixing graphics and breaking everything else
1105[07:08:18] <Logg> you do.
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1107[07:08:57] <somiaj> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
1108[07:08:58] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20161105-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1
1109[07:09:26] <phen> Is it normal for distros to stick with a single kernel version for so long?
1110[07:09:28] <somiaj> consider the intel drivers from jessie-backports and stretch are the same, and so is the kernel, I doubt you will magically have a different experience in stretch with drivers
1111[07:09:54] <phen> Wait, so then what exactly is the problem now
1112[07:10:01] <somiaj> phen: that is what a frozen system is, recall that debian is used for lots of other types of systems besides desktops. When depolying software, you want a known frozen system you can rely on.
1113[07:10:24] <somiaj> phen: lots of server side software likes to release frozen systems for this. backports is just a way to provide access to some newer software.
1114[07:11:06] <somiaj> phen: I'm unsure, but you are fully running off of the 4.8 kernel and using the intel driver from backports? Have you shared yoru /var/log/Xorg.0.log file at paste.debian.net?
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1118[07:11:51] <phen> I havent. I didnt even know that was a thing
1119[07:12:37] <somiaj> the logs help see what has been loaded.
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1125[07:15:25] <phen> well paste.debian.org is down, but I did check the log myself
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1128[07:17:23] <phen> replaced-url
1129[07:17:55] <phen> Thats the section of the log pertinent to my integrated graphics. I dont see anything going catastrophically wrong
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1133[07:19:57] <phen> replaced-url
1134[07:20:38] <somiaj> phen: sorry it was paste.debian.net
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1142[07:24:42] <somiaj> phen: do you disable modesetting in your grub? for some reason it is unloading the modesetting module which I think is needed
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1145[07:26:33] <somiaj> phen: were you one in here who also upgraded mesa to jessie-backports?
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1147[07:28:27] <somiaj> but that error you are getting seems to becomming from mesa and I'm unsure why.
1148[07:29:16] <phen> I never disable modesetting, but I had to disable pci msi since my wificard was spamming dmesg with a bunch of pci errors. dont know if modesetting needs msi. I never upgraded mesa from backports. Should I?
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1153[07:36:06] <phen> somaij I just noticed that i965 isnt in that list of supported chipsets
1154[07:36:25] <phen> at 21.992
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1168[07:51:22] <phen> ok what the hell
1169[07:51:40] <phen> is there any way to get aptitude to install dependencies from jessie-backports if the package is also from backports?
1170[07:51:49] <sim590> Let's say I hae wiped my /boot partition, how do I reinstall the kernel? What package I would have to force reinstall?
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1172[07:52:10] <phen> sim590 any backups?
1173[07:52:19] <MaBunny> hello,i want to include the library provided with libsdl2-net-dbg,ie, i want to know the -l part of the library....what commands is needed to know this?
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1176[07:52:32] <sim590> phen: no.
1177[07:52:39] <sim590> No need! :o
1178[07:52:46] <sim590> Just need to reinstall the package and reconfigure grub
1179[07:52:55] <phen> oh boy
1180[07:53:17] <MaBunny> sim590: can you open the machinne?
1181[07:53:23] <n4dir> sim590: chroot, make sure to mount /boot too, install the kernel
1182[07:53:25] <sim590> ah so. linux-base ?
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1184[07:53:34] <sim590> I did dpkg -l | grep linux and I have a good idea.
1185[07:53:38] <sim590> I am chrooted.
1186[07:53:42] <n4dir> back then it was linux-image, but i think it has changed.
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1188[07:53:48] <MaBunny> as n4dir said
1189[07:53:50] <sim590> linux-base?
1190[07:54:05] <n4dir> linux-base does different things (i forgot what exactly, but nothing with the kernel)
1191[07:54:11] <sim590> all packages which outputs in dpkg -l | grep linux ?
1192[07:54:16] <n4dir> apt-cache show is your friend :-)
1193[07:54:29] <masterlinux> hi, how can i run the detect network like during an install of debian?
1194[07:54:31] <n4dir> ,v linux-image
1195[07:54:33] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
1196[07:54:37] <sim590> linux-image-amd64
1197[07:54:38] <n4dir> damnit
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1199[07:54:56] <MaBunny> n4dir: what about me?
1200[07:55:59] <MaBunny> hello,i want to include the library provided with libsdl2-net-dbg,ie, i want to know the -l part of the library....what commands is needed to know this?
1201[07:55:59] <n4dir> i don't know. apt-file came to my mind, but i really don't know. MaBunny (libs i don't know about in general). Wait, many do know
1202[07:56:14] <MaBunny> ok
1203[07:56:25] <masterlinux> i have the driver file now for my wifi to work. so what do i do with the file?
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1205[07:56:38] <masterlinux> to get my wifi to work
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1209[07:58:37] <MaBunny> does anyone know the answer to my question?
1210[07:59:14] <flux242> MaBunny: translate your question to english
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1212[08:01:02] <sim590> n4dir: install linux-image-amd64 doesn't produce any file in /boot. I have changed my partition layout and that's why my /boot is empty now.
1213[08:02:26] <n4dir> hmm. probably above me. post the commands you used for chroot and post your partition layout.
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1216[08:03:08] <n4dir> i don't think fstab comes into /boot being empty after installing the image, but it is tough stuff and early in the morning (here)
1217[08:03:25] <sim590> replaced-url
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1219[08:04:10] <n4dir> duh: efi. I am out. No clue about it. Sorry
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1224[08:05:46] <sim590> :(
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1226[08:07:05] <MaBunny> flux242: what do you mean?
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1233[08:08:46] <sim590> I think I found. I wasn't reinstalling the appropriate package. I need linux-image-<version>-amd64
1234[08:09:24] <n4dir> grub is installed, yes?
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1237[08:10:15] <sim590> n4dir: me? Yes.
1238[08:10:17] <sim590> the package
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1240[08:11:04] <n4dir> sim590: k. sorry for asking the most obvious, but i thought it wouldn't hurt. no bad thought inclucded :-)
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1245[08:12:43] * masterlinux :(
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1250[08:13:42] <masterlinux> never i got it to work!
1251[08:13:45] * masterlinux :)
1252[08:13:52] <masterlinux> never mind*
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1257[08:16:01] <ByteStorm> can anyone pls tell me how to find out the -l name of the shared libraries inncluded in a package,like libsdl2-net-dbg?
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1271[08:23:47] <somiaj> ByteStorm: dpkg -L packagename lists all files
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1273[08:23:58] <ByteStorm> ok
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1275[08:25:02] <ByteStorm> somiaj: i want to know the include name of the -l part of the package
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1277[08:25:31] <somiaj> oh I see, umm, yea unsure how to get that.
1278[08:25:32] <ByteStorm> like -l libstdc++ includes the standard c++ library shared library
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1280[08:25:49] <ByteStorm> i knew how to do it,but i forgot
1281[08:25:59] <somiaj> it just isn't the filename of the header.h file?
1282[08:26:13] <preaction> no, that's the soname
1283[08:26:15] <ByteStorm> and now i want to include a debug library to use it in gdb
1284[08:26:30] <ByteStorm> somehing like pkg-config
1285[08:26:51] <ByteStorm> but pkg-config --libs-only-l gives error
1286[08:27:04] <ByteStorm> so i was asking for another way
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1294[08:31:52] <flux242> ByteStorm: what the .... do you want? Do you want to link a lib? Do you want to include a header?
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1296[08:33:21] <ByteStorm> i want the equivalent of libstdc++ for the package libsdl2-net-dbg.libstdc++ is the include name for linking with the -l flag of gcc
1297[08:34:34] <ByteStorm> replaced-url
1298[08:35:17] <ByteStorm> this is the error tht i get while typing "pkg-config --libs-only-l libsdl2-net-dbg"
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1306[08:39:19] <flux242> ByteStorm: what 'dpkg -l | grep libsdl2' says?
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1308[08:40:19] <ByteStorm> ii libsdl2-net-dbg:amd64
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1311[08:40:33] <ByteStorm> md64 Network library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 2, debugging
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1320[08:43:48] <flux242> ByteStorm: tried to install libsdl2-net-dev?
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1323[08:43:58] <ByteStorm> yes i hav it
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1330[08:45:04] <flux242> where?
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1341[08:46:12] <ByteStorm> hey
1342[08:46:16] <ByteStorm> /usr/share/doc/libsdl2-net-dbg
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1344[08:47:11] <themill> It's highly unlikely that you want to try linking against debugging symbols
1345[08:47:16] <n4dir> "whereis" can be handy (can't say i fully get it though)
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1348[08:47:46] <ByteStorm> themill: i want to link against debugging symbols for using it in gdb
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1351[08:48:20] <themill> that's not how you use debugging symbols
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1355[08:50:41] <flux242> if you aren't linking the lib itself (you don't have it installed) how are you going to use its debug symbols anyway?
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1357[08:50:57] <ByteStorm> i hav it installed
1358[08:51:08] <flux242> yeah, right
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1372[08:55:39] <wsm> exit
1373[08:55:44] <Deadlyvirus> yo
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1375[08:55:55] <Deadlyvirus> how to fix aircrack-ng
1376[08:56:22] <Deadlyvirus> i cant go to monitor mode
1377[08:56:27] <Deadlyvirus> or any mode at all
1378[08:56:43] <n4dir> first question would be if you chip supports it at all.
1379[08:56:43] <flux242> here is the fix: sudo apt-get purge aircrack-ng
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1381[08:56:53] <n4dir> ha ha. yeah, i thought the same
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1384[08:58:04] <Deadlyvirus> ok let me try
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1386[08:58:20] <Deadlyvirus> what do you mean chip supports ?
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1394[08:59:52] <n4dir> replaced-url
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1409[09:05:58] <Deadlyvirus> Yo the command line
1410[09:06:08] <Deadlyvirus> erased the freaking program
1411[09:06:10] <Deadlyvirus> !!!!
1412[09:06:10] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
1413[09:06:33] <Logg> nice dpkg
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1416[09:07:18] <Deadlyvirus> flux 242 !!! you suck
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1419[09:09:17] <Deadlyvirus> airmon-ng
1420[09:09:17] <Deadlyvirus> ls: cannot access /sys/class/ieee80211/: No such file or directory
1421[09:09:17] <Deadlyvirus> PHY Interface Driver Chipset
1422[09:09:38] <Deadlyvirus> this is what i get when i start runnin airmon-ng
1423[09:09:47] <Deadlyvirus> can somebody help please
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1427[09:11:15] <pogs> Deadlyvirus: you are not using kali linux, are you?
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1429[09:11:57] <Deadlyvirus> i am pogs
1430[09:12:03] <Deadlyvirus> i am on kali linux
1431[09:12:17] <Deadlyvirus> what is wrong ?
1432[09:12:31] <pogs> you need to go to the kali support then
1433[09:12:55] <Deadlyvirus> you mean change channel
1434[09:13:01] <Deadlyvirus> and join kali linux
1435[09:13:02] <pogs> yes
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1438[09:14:38] <Deadlyvirus> do you have any idea about the issue my friend
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1445[09:18:20] <whit1erose1510> hey
1446[09:18:23] <whit1erose1510> guys
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1465[09:25:46] <Deadlyvirus> yes
1466[09:25:49] <Deadlyvirus> white
1467[09:25:52] <Deadlyvirus> are you there
1468[09:26:47] <Hestben> Deadlyvirus: Ask in #kali-linux
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1470[09:27:11] <somiaj> Deadlyvirus: if you are running kali linux, it is asked that you use the support provided by the kali linux.
1471[09:27:14] <somiaj> !kali
1472[09:27:15] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1476[09:30:06] <survietamine> hello, I'm reading /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz which mentions "ndc reload" and "/usr/sbin/ndc". But I have no idea what's that ndc, is it a typo and I should use rndc?
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1479[09:31:09] <jelly> survietamine: yes, use rndc, no idea if it's a typo or outdated
1480[09:31:28] <survietamine> ok, thank jelly, long time I didn't see you :p
1481[09:32:13] <survietamine> I only use rndc for my "administrative tasks" about BIND, but I was wondering why this ndc is there in the README
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1483[09:32:26] <newcoder> elinks replaced-url
1484[09:33:04] <jelly> newcoder: what do you see then?
1485[09:33:19] <newcoder> Black screen
1486[09:33:38] <jelly> no temporary messages appeared or disappeared?
1487[09:34:12] <jelly> newcoder: press = to see if _something_ loaded and it's a page that just looks empty for some reason
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1489[09:34:21] <jelly> press \ to see the source
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1493[09:35:35] <toni> Hi!
1494[09:36:11] <Logg> hi ton
1495[09:36:12] <Logg> i
1496[09:36:13] <Logg> !ask
1497[09:36:13] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1498[09:36:31] <newcoder> jelly: = displays size 0, nothing in page source
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1500[09:36:53] <toni> Hi Logg! I am having trouble with a Dell E7440 under Testing. It does not go to sleep when I close the lid, but contiues to run at full speed. Can I solve this by configuration, or is it a bug?
1501[09:37:05] <jelly> newcoder: so you may have network issues. try the replaced-url
1502[09:37:18] <Logg> toni: you can most likely solve that.
1503[09:37:23] <toni> I am running the almost latest, upgraded maybe a week ago.
1504[09:37:32] <jelly> newcoder: are you in a country that does network filtering?
1505[09:37:32] <Logg> you should be asking in oftc #debian-next
1506[09:37:47] <toni> Logg: But I don't know where to look. Oh, thank you for the pointer!
1507[09:38:03] <jelly> !debian-next
1508[09:38:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1514[09:39:29] <newcoder> jelly: elinkss replaced-url
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1517[09:40:22] <jelly> newcoder: what about replaced-url
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1519[09:41:14] <jelly> newcoder: also, which IP address do you get for google.com? getent ahosts google.com
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1521[09:42:15] <newcoder> For http:yahoo.com , i get bad http response
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1530[09:46:21] <jelly> newcoder: if you want more ideas or possibly help, provide answers to my last two questions
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1534[09:47:23] <newcoder> jelly: https has same result, blank black window
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1538[09:48:40] <jelly> newcoder: pastebin the info (=) screen for that, and also the output of getent
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1541[09:49:16] <jelly> !paste
1542[09:49:16] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1544[09:49:59] <jelly> newcoder: you'll have to press shift and left mouse button in elinks to be able to select
1545[09:50:14] <jelly> or just screenshot the thing
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1556[09:52:19] <masterlinux> hi, is there an "update manager" for debian jessie?
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1559[09:53:27] <flux242> !nopaste
1560[09:53:27] <dpkg> nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
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1562[09:53:33] <newcoder> jelly: It can be network problem, I'm on console, can't copy paste text and pastebin
1563[09:53:56] <bazhang> ,v pastebinit
1564[09:53:58] <judd> Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; sid: 1.5-1; stretch: 1.5-1
1565[09:54:00] <Logg> masterlinux: apt-get, aptitude, synaptic
1566[09:54:07] <flux242> !wgetpaste
1567[09:54:07] <dpkg> wgetpaste is a CLI application for sending text to a pastebin, its only dependencies are bash and wget. To install and use: wget replaced-url
1568[09:54:12] <bazhang> use pastebinit then
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1617[10:23:39] <jelly> you can't merely pastebinit from an interactive curses app!
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1620[10:24:00] <bazhang> my bad!
1621[10:24:25] <jelly> they would have had to use screen or tmux to copy/paste, or gpm (mouse support for console)
1622[10:25:24] <jelly> !factinfo wgetpaste
1623[10:25:24] <dpkg> wgetpaste -- created by jordanm <~jordanm@pdpc/supporter/active/titan8990> at Wed Jun 16 20:28:08 2010 (2388 days); last modified at Fri Jul 16 22:07:51 2010 by jordanm!~jordanm@pdpc/supporter/active/titan8990; it has been requested 294 times, last by flux242, 31m 16s ago.
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1630[10:38:33] <KODY928021> how can I make iptables changing permenent?
1631[10:40:15] <KODY928021> solved
1632[10:40:15] <bazhang> #netfilter KODY928021
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1662[11:01:44] <starstuff> Hi, I just installed a fresh Debian 'Stretch' and I have an nvidia gtx 1070 card. The nouveau driver isn't working and I would like to install the nvidia binary. Can anyone help?
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1664[11:02:44] <Vizva> replaced-url
1665[11:03:17] <starstuff> Vizva: I use that page often when installing on Debian 'Jessie' and the instructions are flawless for that.
1666[11:03:29] <starstuff> But I have 'Stretch' and I don't see any instructions about that.
1667[11:04:03] <Vizva> i understand
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1669[11:04:36] <starstuff> Would I use the jessie-backports section? Or the other section?
1670[11:04:51] <starstuff> do I need to install the dkms package or just nvidia-driver package?
1671[11:05:05] <babilen> dpkg: nvidia dkms
1672[11:05:06] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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1674[11:05:36] <babilen> That's essentially it .. also note that testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next rather than #debian
1675[11:05:57] <starstuff> babilen: is there a way to copy/paste that line to another tty? I'm using irssi.
1676[11:06:19] <babilen> Are you on amd64?
1677[11:06:30] <starstuff> babilen: Yes
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1679[11:06:39] <starstuff> I'm at console on the affected system.
1680[11:06:46] <babilen> Just make it "aptitude -r install linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms" then
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1682[11:07:21] <babilen> And then create a configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d with replaced-url
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1684[11:07:48] <starstuff> babilen: Okay I guess I will hand-type that command over to my other tty
1685[11:07:52] * starstuff sighs
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1687[11:08:05] <babilen> Hang on
1688[11:08:05] <Vizva> youre in toatlly text mode?
1689[11:08:11] <Vizva> totally
1690[11:08:28] <starstuff> Vizva: Yes. My desktop wouldn't start because nouveau failed.
1691[11:08:51] <Vizva> isnt there a replaced-url
1692[11:08:53] <babilen> starstuff: "curl replaced-url
1693[11:08:56] <starstuff> babilen: Is that xorg.conf page just executing nvidia-xconfig?
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1697[11:09:08] <babilen> Don't run nvidia-xconfig
1698[11:09:12] <starstuff> ok
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1700[11:09:59] <babilen> starstuff: "curl replaced-url
1701[11:10:37] <starstuff> babilen: alright thanks
1702[11:10:40] <babilen> Move that into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d after installing the driver (create the directory beforehand)
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1704[11:11:12] <n4dir> side note: gpm is a mouse for tty (probably not worth get the head into it, just saying it exists)
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1708[11:12:15] <starstuff> babilen: so at root I just type: aptitude -r install linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms
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1710[11:12:18] <starstuff> that's it right?
1711[11:12:23] <babilen> Yes
1712[11:13:56] <starstuff> and xorg.conf.d is a directory that I need to create before putting in that file you provided?
1713[11:14:27] <babilen> *nod*
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1717[11:15:36] <babilen> If nvidida-kernel-dkms can't be found you would have to enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list (ensure entries in there end in "main contrib non-free" and run "apt update")
1718[11:15:37] <starstuff> babilen: and nouveau will get blacklisted after I did all that? I'm ready to reboot if so.
1719[11:15:46] <starstuff> babilen: Yeah I enabled contrib non-free
1720[11:15:54] <babilen> And the module compiled fine?
1721[11:16:13] <Vizva> we could access a only text system in virtualbox - if its difficult other ways - access physical hd
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1723[11:16:15] <starstuff> babilen: there were no errors except a notice that I have to reboot to blacklist nouveau.
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1726[11:16:34] <Vizva> i want to try that with such a stretch and later run it direct
1727[11:17:08] <starstuff> well, thanks babilen. Here goes a reboot. If I don't come back it means it worked.
1728[11:17:09] <Vizva> its for me only
1729[11:17:09] <babilen> starstuff: Could you run "dkms status" -- Does it list nvidia?
1730[11:17:16] <starstuff> uh let me see...
1731[11:17:18] <babilen> starstuff: No, come back!
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1733[11:17:32] <starstuff> yes it says nvidia-current
1734[11:17:39] <babilen> Good, reboot and come back :)
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1743[11:21:09] <starstuff> babilen: Hi, I didn't boot to the desktop again. But the behavior was different this time.
1744[11:21:34] <babilen> How so?
1745[11:21:39] <Vizva> can start x?
1746[11:22:06] <starstuff> It went through a bunch of green [ OK ] lines for different things it "Started". The last one is [ OK ] Started Hostname Service
1747[11:22:11] <starstuff> and it just sits there.
1748[11:22:27] <babilen> Nothing happens and you can't log into the console?
1749[11:22:35] <starstuff> it doesn't give me a console
1750[11:22:45] <starstuff> I had to CTRL+ALT+F2 to another tty
1751[11:22:50] <babilen> What about tty2 (ctrl-alt-f2) ?
1752[11:22:50] <starstuff> (the one I'm on now)
1753[11:23:02] <babilen> Right .. is this a laptop?
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1755[11:23:05] <starstuff> nope
1756[11:23:09] <starstuff> it's a desktop
1757[11:23:20] <Vizva> can you try ---> startx?
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1759[11:23:31] <Vizva> if not work you can use another console and kill c
1760[11:23:34] <Vizva> kill x
1761[11:24:10] <Vizva> CTRL+ALT+F3 or 4
1762[11:24:11] <starstuff> I'll try that. But I just had the thought that maybe some other weirdness is going on because nouveau should have at least given me a gdm desktop login.
1763[11:24:26] <JackSparrow> hello, Linux newbie here. Need some help in choosing between LXDE and LxQt
1764[11:24:29] <Vizva> if it crash you go to another console and kill the x
1765[11:24:51] <starstuff> Vizva: it gave me a fatal error
1766[11:24:57] <JackSparrow> which is more lightweight and suitable for old laptops?
1767[11:24:59] <Vizva> which one
1768[11:25:04] <babilen> starstuff: Any error message?
1769[11:25:11] <JackSparrow> Does debian support lxqt?
1770[11:25:27] <Vizva> iam curious but must go :P
1771[11:25:45] <bazhang> ,v lxqt
1772[11:25:46] <judd> Package: lxqt on amd64 -- stretch: 7; sid: 8
1773[11:25:57] <bazhang> JackSparrow, ^
1774[11:25:59] <starstuff> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current not found in directory /lib/modules/4.7.0-1-amd64
1775[11:26:02] <xormor> killall X
1776[11:26:04] <starstuff> and there are two more errors.
1777[11:26:08] <xormor> or ps -ef | grep X
1778[11:26:17] <JackSparrow> my laptop is a 32 bit system
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1780[11:26:31] <starstuff> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Operation not permitted.
1781[11:26:38] <babilen> starstuff: Which kernel is listed in "dkms status", which one are you booted into (uname -a) ?
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1783[11:27:01] <bazhang> JackSparrow, former ubuntu supporter, by chance?
1784[11:27:06] <JackSparrow> runs on Intel Celeron M Single core 1.6ghz cpu and 2 gb ram.
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1786[11:27:42] <JackSparrow> bazhang, what?
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1788[11:28:07] <bazhang> if not, my apologies
1789[11:28:10] <starstuff> babilen: dkms status says "nvidia-current, 375.26: added". And uname -a: Linux system 4.7.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.7.8-1
1790[11:28:23] <n4dir> JackSparrow: in general there is no need to choose yet. Install debian, then install a wm or destkop-environment
1791[11:28:33] <JackSparrow> i am a beginner here. want to try debian.
1792[11:28:37] <n4dir> if it doesnt work well, try a "smaller " solution.
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1794[11:29:03] <n4dir> you can keep the other one or remove it, whatever you prefer.
1795[11:29:05] <JackSparrow> tried xfce, but it was a bit sluggish.
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1797[11:29:30] <n4dir> i wouldn't mix kde and gnome though (but with such specs they are out of options anyway, i guess.)
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1799[11:29:41] <JackSparrow> I trie Xubuntu also. It seemed a bit slow on my old laptop.
1800[11:29:52] <babilen> starstuff: Doesn't it also list kernel versions?
1801[11:30:15] <starstuff> babilen: the dkms status? nope. I gave the whole line. I typed "dkms status" as root.
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1803[11:31:26] <babilen> starstuff: Hmm, that should be a 4.8 kernel. Could you run "apt install linux-image-amd64" ? Also, which kernels are listed in "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" ?
1804[11:31:55] <JackSparrow> can I as a beginner try debian testing.
1805[11:32:07] <babilen> starstuff: Run the last command before the first, please
1806[11:32:08] <JackSparrow> will it be suitable for me?
1807[11:32:13] <n4dir> rather not
1808[11:32:25] <starstuff> babilen: I typed the search command first...
1809[11:32:47] <babilen> Does it list a 4.8 kernel or linux-image-amd64 ?
1810[11:32:55] <starstuff> babilen: it says an "i" and an "A" next to linux-image-4.7.0-1-amd64
1811[11:32:57] <JackSparrow> which one in debian will suit my needs?
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1813[11:33:28] <starstuff> babilen: it lists a 4.8 kernel but it isn't installed looks like. There is a "p" in front of that line.
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1815[11:33:39] <bazhang> explain your needs
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1819[11:34:32] <babilen> starstuff: You might want to upgrade your box and ensure that you have a 4.8 kernel installed. Run "apt update" and then "apt install linux-image-amd64" -- If that package is installed already, install linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64 explicitly
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1823[11:34:58] <starstuff> babilen: linux-image-amd64 is already installed. There is an "i" next to that package.
1824[11:35:04] <babilen> aye
1825[11:35:33] <starstuff> babilen: and I already did update the system. It was already fully up-to-date upon installation. This is a new install and I chose all default choices.
1826[11:35:41] <starstuff> but I'll try another update/upgrade
1827[11:35:54] <n4dir> debian is lite per default, compared to other distros. The rest depends on the apps and the DE/WM used. Debian stable is easy to administrate, setting up can be a bit of fiddling, depends on the hardware. JackSparrow good?
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1829[11:36:17] <starstuff> oh wow.....there is an update available. weird. and it's linux-image-amd64.
1830[11:36:28] <starstuff> babilen: I could have sworn I did an update already! How could that happen?
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1832[11:36:53] <starstuff> babilen: So I updated....do I need to re-run the nvidia dkms install?
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1835[11:37:39] <starstuff> babilen: so the update gave me the 4.8 kernel.
1836[11:37:42] <babilen> starstuff: You essentially want to make sure that you have matching headers for the 4.8 kernel installed. Did you run "apt upgrade" ?
1837[11:38:03] <JackSparrow> is lxqt fully functional DE? can it be properly integrated with debian stable?
1838[11:38:09] <nemo_fish> Hello! I configured an Alix board as a WIFI client and used parprouted and dhcp-helper to 'bridge' eth0 with wlan0. Everything works well, except that I don't receive any multicast traffic on clients attached to eth0 interface. Do I have to use 'traditional' bridging? I didn't because I might need to use ebtables because of WIFI access point and MAC address isue,...
1839[11:38:13] <starstuff> babilen: yes upgrade is running now
1840[11:38:19] <starstuff> it's taking a bit of time.
1841[11:39:05] <babilen> I guess .. afterwards make sure that "dkms status" lists (at least) two lines (one for 4.7 and 4.8 respectively)
1842[11:39:28] <starstuff> okay it finished. there was some complaint about my filesystem nvme support ext4 filesystem couldn't be found.
1843[11:39:42] <starstuff> babilen: yes dkms status now gives me more info.
1844[11:40:07] <starstuff> babilen: dkms status shows the 4.8 kernel info only. Not the 4.7
1845[11:40:30] <babilen> I guess it compiled the module for that .. I'd reboot now and see how that goes
1846[11:40:47] <babilen> (which is why it couldn't be loaded under 4.7)
1847[11:40:54] <starstuff> babilen: do you know why all of a sudden update gave me a new kernel when I know I tried updating as the first thing after installing?
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1849[11:41:22] <babilen> Maybe you didn't select the "linux-image-amd64" metapackage but the 4.7 one during the installation?
1850[11:41:45] <babilen> Don't really know .. might be obvious from /var/log/apt/history.log* though
1851[11:41:58] <starstuff> babilen: I just used the 'Stretch' installer and chose all defaults. There was no selection choice for linux-image-amd64 metapackage.
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1853[11:42:38] <starstuff> and the linux-image-amd64 metapackage was installed properly at the get go.
1854[11:42:57] <starstuff> so it's like all of a sudden, after install, it decides to upgrade me to 4.8 from 4.7.
1855[11:43:18] <starstuff> maybe it got triggered due to a dependency with the nvidia-dkms driver?
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1857[11:43:58] <starstuff> well, here goes a reboot.
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1859[11:44:09] <babilen> The linux-image-amd64 metapackage depends on 4.8 in the current version
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1865[11:45:50] <starstuff> babilen: hey :) I'm in gnome!
1866[11:45:56] <babilen> Great :)
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1868[11:46:18] <babilen> starstuff: Do you have an Intel or AMD processor?
1869[11:46:18] <starstuff> babilen: I really would love to understand what went wrong with the kernel package though
1870[11:46:26] <starstuff> babilen: Intel i7
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1874[11:47:16] <babilen> starstuff: Install the "intel-microcode" package in that case. It contains current microcode for your CPU that might fix CPU bugs that are hard to debug (reboot after that)
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1876[11:47:31] <starstuff> babilen: I swear to you that linux-image-amd64 metapackage was installed as part of the initial installation and that I ran an aptitude update/upgrade and it showed nothing available to be updated. Then, after whatever I did with the nvidia dkms stuff, all of a suddent aptitude update/upgrade revealed a 4.8 kernel to be installed!
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1878[11:47:50] <babilen> starstuff: It's hard to say, but reading /var/log/apt/history.log should provide some info.
1879[11:47:50] <starstuff> babilen: is that non-free? if so I don't want it
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1882[11:48:46] <babilen> starstuff: It is non-free, but you are already using it (it is just on your mainboard in an older version). If you prefer you could also upgrade your mainboards firmware assuming that the vendor already packaged the latest microcode.
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1884[11:49:13] <babilen> There is no way to *not* use it .. installing that package simply allows you to sideload the latest version
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1887[11:49:27] <starstuff> babilen: do you mean firmware as in a bios update for my mobo?
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1889[11:50:11] <babilen> starstuff: That is what I mean
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1891[11:50:52] <starstuff> babilen: I was planning on looking into that next anyway. But I don't know how to confirm if they provide latest microcode
1892[11:51:04] <babilen> starstuff: Your CPU is using microcode already. Intel releases upgrades for it in binary form and it can be loaded by the linux kernel during boot. You can also get upgrades through firmware upgrades from your mainboard vendor.
1893[11:51:26] <babilen> There simply is *no* reason to not install the "intel-microcode" package
1894[11:51:41] <starstuff> okay I understand what you are saying
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1896[11:52:04] <babilen> I am totally in favour of the "No non-free software", but when it comes to hardware drivers (nvidia) and, in particular, firmware and microcode there is no alternative
1897[11:52:50] <babilen> You are already using that software and, in the best case, it is the same version as the one in the intel-microcode package. If it's not then you'd get a newer version by installing it. It doesn't change the fact that you are using it however.
1898[11:53:18] <babilen> In a way I would love for "non-free" to be split into "non-free software" and "non-free firmware/microcode/drivers"
1899[11:53:20] <starstuff> babilen: I'll do that. By the way, looking at my apt history log and I see two entries for linux-image*. One of them is for 4.7 and then way down in later in the log the next one is for 4.8.
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1901[11:54:02] <babilen> starstuff: Please forgive me, but I don't have the time to find out why you didn't have 4.8
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1903[11:54:16] <starstuff> no worries. I think maybe it's a bug in Stretch
1904[11:54:17] <babilen> It's good that you do now and it sounds as if your system is on a good way.
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1906[11:54:44] <babilen> starstuff: Are you tracking testing or stretch ?
1907[11:54:46] <starstuff> babilen: That must be why nouveau also failed (the default after installing debian)
1908[11:54:59] <babilen> *shrug*
1909[11:55:01] <starstuff> I think the stretch installer is bugged and putting 4.7 somehow on my sytem?
1910[11:55:05] <starstuff> haha. Okay thanks again.
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1912[11:55:21] <babilen> The installer is pretty much a "work in progress"
1913[11:55:24] <starstuff> maybe #debian-next would be interested
1914[11:55:32] <babilen> Are you tracking testing or stretch?
1915[11:55:45] <starstuff> stretch using the recommended Alpha 8 installer
1916[11:56:41] <starstuff> oh #debian-next is invite only
1917[11:56:51] <babilen> A few more tips: 1. I'd configure a stretch/sid mix and set stretch as default release (/msg dpkg ssm) 2. Read replaced-url
1918[11:56:54] <starstuff> I was gonna go ask if they were interested in the issue I have.
1919[11:57:06] <starstuff> oh, right, oftc..
1920[11:57:09] <babilen> The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) along with all the other official ones
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1927[11:59:34] <babilen> Good luck and welcome to Debian, starstuff
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1940[12:03:27] <starstuff> babilen: thanks! goodbye.
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2151[13:43:03] <dixie7z_> replaced-url
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2155[13:43:14] <dixie7z_> xorg.log
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2157[13:43:27] <dixie7z_> my google chrome keeps crashing
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2160[13:43:37] <tx> open up chrome in a terminal
2161[13:43:38] <dixie7z_> [4025:4025:1230/133134:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(343)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
2162[13:43:41] <dixie7z_> ^C^C
2163[13:43:42] <tx> ah
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2167[13:44:11] <transhuman> hi I have a wierd problem with debian xfce desktop loosing its proper scalling in debian so the buttons don't line up ..Going to the settings---display---and changing resolution and changing it back seems to fix it...but it repeatedly looses it when ever it goes to screen saver mode on the vm
2168[13:44:14] <dixie7z_> replaced-url
2169[13:44:16] <tx> disable hardware acceleration
2170[13:44:19] <tx> chrome://flags
2171[13:44:30] <dixie7z_> i did... i want hardware acceleration.,... it works without it
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2173[13:44:45] <dixie7z_> it will reduce performance?
2174[13:44:48] <dixie7z_> tx:
2175[13:44:54] <transhuman> and some times it just looses it for no apparent reason
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2177[13:45:08] <tx> Depends on your GPU.
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2182[13:47:01] <dixie7z_> okay.. i will disable hardware acceleration and wait for next driver or google chrome update. tx thanks
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2199[13:55:34] <eugenmayer> what would be the best option to run a script "blocking" with the least possible CPU usagen ( bash script ). I just need the script to never end (docker entrypoint)
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2204[13:56:29] <tx> a while true with a sleep statement?
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2206[13:56:34] <wewlad> hello again, debs
2207[13:56:54] <wewlad> does anyone here use apache on debian?
2208[13:57:10] <eugenmayer> tx: thats the obious one of course. I would use a huge sleep i guess. What about ressource usage using that? Anything particular worring?
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2211[13:58:50] <abrotman> wewlad: lots of people, just ask your real question
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2215[14:00:17] <tx> eugenmayer: not at all
2216[14:00:31] <tx> that's why it's done so often
2217[14:01:12] <eugenmayer> thank you tx
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2221[14:02:28] <eugenmayer> tx: is there any way to react on sigterm signals?
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2225[14:03:23] <tx> you can with traps
2226[14:03:37] <wewlad> abrotman: do you use mpm_prefork module?
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2228[14:03:38] <tx> (assuming bash) replaced-url
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2230[14:03:54] <wewlad> the question is simple: does it work for anybody or not
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2233[14:04:04] <abrotman> wewlad: I didn't saay me, I just said to ask your actual question .. and yes, that works
2234[14:04:10] <abrotman> Does it not work for you?
2235[14:04:14] <wewlad> no
2236[14:04:25] <wewlad> a different mpm module works fine
2237[14:04:38] <wewlad> and even mpm_prefork worked fine until I updated apache to the latest stable
2238[14:04:48] <abrotman> and you have no errors in logs?
2239[14:05:02] <wewlad> the only error is that no mpm module is loaded
2240[14:05:16] <wewlad> other than that - nothing helpful
2241[14:07:37] <transhuman> question: does open vm tools install a mouse driver or is that done separately?
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2243[14:08:11] <tx> I think it uses the mouse kmod
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2245[14:08:13] <tx> most hypervisors
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2247[14:08:22] <tx> mouse / usbmouse
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2252[14:09:43] <rdococ> I have reason to celebrate
2253[14:09:55] <petn-randall> yay \o/
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2256[14:10:19] <rdococ> why on earth was I not logged in?
2257[14:10:20] <transhuman> apparently open-vm-tools does NOT change the vmmouse from absolute to relative which might be the source of my problem (according to xfce people)
2258[14:10:21] <rdococ> nevermind
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2261[14:10:33] <rdococ> anyway
2262[14:10:40] <rdococ> I will now tell you my reason to celebrate.
2263[14:10:54] <transhuman> I am not sure how to make that change
2264[14:10:56] <tx> so much build up
2265[14:10:56] <transhuman> anyone know
2266[14:10:58] <tx> this better be good
2267[14:11:12] <rdococ> I am no longer using Windows!
2268[14:11:33] <tx> cool.
2269[14:11:40] <rdococ> I am now using, well... you guessed it. #Debian!
2270[14:11:57] <rdococ> it's all thanks to my friend on IRC tho :p
2271[14:12:16] <rdococ> yes, I'm not as dumb as the general public is so I knew LozeBloze was bad
2272[14:12:22] <Ooze> I'm using rsync to copy the contents of one drive to another, I think I've copied everything as when I run it I get the end dialogue. When I look at the drives though, they differ in size. I've gone through the properies of every folder and it looks like all the data is there. What's going on?
2273[14:12:26] <Ooze> Do I have everything?
2274[14:12:28] <wewlad> does anyone here use apache with mpm_prefork?
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2277[14:14:15] <jelly> wewlad: best assume someone does, and ask the real question
2278[14:14:50] <wewlad> that is the real question, jelly
2279[14:14:51] <jelly> anyone still using mod_php would go with prefork model
2280[14:15:02] <jelly> wewlad: then yes.
2281[14:15:09] <wewlad> jelly: do you?
2282[14:15:14] <jelly> yes.
2283[14:15:27] <jelly> problem solved!
2284[14:15:30] <wewlad> do you have the latest stable apache?
2285[14:15:31] <jelly> next
2286[14:15:41] <jelly> wewlad: that's a new question
2287[14:16:12] <wewlad> does anyone here use the latest stable apache on latest stable Debian and uses mpm_prefork module?
2288[14:16:14] <jelly> my systems with apache are mostly still on wheezy. what do you REALLY want to know?
2289[14:16:26] <jelly> wewlad: again, assume the answer is yes.
2290[14:16:39] <wewlad> I want to know whether the package is f---ing broken or is it something on my end
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2292[14:17:06] <wewlad> because I did just apt-get upgrade and since then apache stopped working with that module
2293[14:17:20] <wewlad> it works fine with another mpm module such as mpm_event
2294[14:17:21] <jelly> wewlad: which architecture?
2295[14:17:25] <wewlad> 64
2296[14:17:32] <wewlad> amd64
2297[14:18:20] <wewlad> aaaand then usually goes silence
2298[14:18:21] <jelly> did you check the bts?
2299[14:18:28] <wewlad> what's 'bts'?
2300[14:18:31] <jelly> !bts
2301[14:18:31] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
2302[14:18:36] <wewlad> no
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2304[14:18:57] <jelly> if it's really horribly broken, someone may have already reported it
2305[14:19:06] <wewlad> I expect stable release of an util work well on stable branch of an os that advertises itself as very stable
2306[14:19:33] <wewlad> so I assume bts doesn't matter, such a bug wouldn't reach stable branch
2307[14:19:41] <jelly> you assume wrong
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2309[14:19:56] <wewlad> unlike you
2310[14:20:15] <jelly> the correct way to hunt for a cause includes checking if someone else has the same or similar issue
2311[14:20:23] <jelly> those issues are reported in bts
2312[14:20:40] <wewlad> no
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2314[14:20:51] <wewlad> the correct way is to figure out whether it works for others
2315[14:21:00] <wewlad> if so - then the problem is local to my install
2316[14:21:34] <jelly> then you'll have to ask the same question every couple hours
2317[14:21:49] <jelly> until someone with the exact setup is accidentally online at the same time
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2319[14:21:58] <wewlad> does anyone here use the latest stable apache on latest stable Debian and uses mpm_prefork module?
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2321[14:22:29] <jelly> or do a new install of amd64 jessie and try to reproduce
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2323[14:22:31] <MARPATdroid> j
2324[14:22:52] <wewlad> jelly: I refuse to do so.
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2326[14:23:15] <wewlad> if that distro dies so easily I think I shouldn't be installing it again
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2328[14:23:30] <jelly> wewlad: you may find out volunteers in here may refuse to waste time on users that had not done their best first
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2330[14:24:03] <wewlad> jelly: I'm not going to do my best on a stable release channel
2331[14:24:12] <wewlad> especially when it concerns such a popular package
2332[14:24:20] <wewlad> and pretty simple config
2333[14:24:21] <Ooze> Anyone know why my drives appear to hold the same content yet one consumes more space than the other?
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2335[14:24:38] <wewlad> Ooze: fragmentation?
2336[14:24:46] <wewlad> Ooze: different fs?
2337[14:24:57] <Ooze> both ext4, one is raid6 though
2338[14:25:01] <Ooze> but I t hought that was already accounted for
2339[14:25:31] <jelly> Ooze: which tools did you use to compare?
2340[14:25:54] <Ooze> just properties from Windows in my smb share
2341[14:25:56] <Ooze> also ranger
2342[14:26:19] <Ooze> replaced-url
2343[14:26:40] <Ooze> when I check the properties of each sub folder they all have the same size
2344[14:26:46] <Ooze> but the drives overall are different
2345[14:27:27] <jelly> Ooze: what about output of df -i ?
2346[14:27:53] <Ooze> replaced-url
2347[14:28:22] <jelly> so you got a lot more files and folder on michigan than on backup
2348[14:28:42] <Ooze> that's what it feels like but my rsync command doesn't seem to want to copy any more
2349[14:28:46] <Ooze> looks like it's finished
2350[14:28:58] <Ooze> sudo rsync -pauv --progress /media/michigan/ /media/backup/
2351[14:29:14] <Ooze> replaced-url
2352[14:30:04] <jelly> Ooze: do you have any mountpoints below /media/michigan/ ?
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2354[14:31:09] <Ooze> replaced-url
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2359[14:33:22] <jelly> so, no
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2363[14:34:15] <jelly> Ooze: what if you remove -u from rsync?
2364[14:34:41] <jelly> add -n for a dry run
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2367[14:35:29] <jelly> and -a implies -p so you don't need that either, but it doesn't change anything
2368[14:35:30] <Ooze> sudo rsync -pavn --progress /media/michigan/ /media/backup/
2369[14:35:30] <Ooze> ?
2370[14:35:37] <jelly> yes.
2371[14:35:46] <Ooze> same thing
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2373[14:36:10] <jelly> weird
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2377[14:37:04] <jelly> Ooze: did you at any point use -S or -H or some other way to do sparse files or deduplication by hardlinking on the backup side?
2378[14:37:08] <Ooze> I had been using 'sudo rsync -pauv --progress /media/huron/ /media/transfer/
2379[14:37:08] <Ooze> ' and they're the same size
2380[14:37:12] <Ooze> It's the same config as michigan
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2383[14:37:28] <Ooze> I ran two instances at the same time once
2384[14:37:49] <jelly> that usually does not hurt too much except for making things slow
2385[14:37:55] <Ooze> replaced-url
2386[14:38:37] <jelly> Ooze: just for fun, does rsync --progress -an --delete /media/backup/ /media/michigan/ say anything?
2387[14:39:08] <Ooze> Just sending incremental file list
2388[14:39:08] <Ooze> then returns
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2395[14:42:59] <jelly> Ooze: huh. I'd check for hardlinks then. find /media/backup -links +1 \! -type d -ls
2396[14:43:14] <jelly> either that or sparse files
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2402[14:45:52] <Ooze> returns nothing
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2411[14:47:06] <jelly> Ooze: then see if any files on the backup side are sparse
2412[14:47:25] <jelly> I don't have a ready recipe for that
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2415[14:48:55] <jelly> probably google: find sparse files, and pick a stackoverflow result
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2429[14:53:19] <Ooze> Yeah, this is virtual so it looks like this could be a possibility
2430[14:53:50] <Ooze> One is a 4TB volume of a RAID 6 array, the other is a 4TB volume of a two-disk raid 0
2431[14:54:05] <jelly> that doesn't really matter
2432[14:54:11] <Ooze> didn't think so
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2438[14:55:46] <Ooze> Running ls -alsh
2439[14:55:53] <Ooze> looks like the file sizes are the same
2440[14:56:00] <jelly> however, rsync doesn't sparsify files on destination by default, so if some of them are sparse, the initial rsync had to be done with -S
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2442[14:56:16] <Ooze> well, you saw my bash history
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2446[14:56:22] <Ooze> don't think I messed anything up
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2451[14:58:36] <jelly> Ooze: diff -u <(cd /media/michigan; find .|sort) <(cd /media/backup; find .|sort) returns nothing, right?
2452[14:58:50] <jelly> (that will work in bash or zsh)
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2454[14:59:08] <Ooze> Correct, returns nothing
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2456[14:59:44] <jelly> so hunt for sparse files, then, I got no other ideas
2457[15:00:12] <Ooze> replaced-url
2458[15:00:18] <Ooze> after running that ls command everything looks fine
2459[15:00:24] <jelly> if you find some, that merely means your backup is somewhat more efficient
2460[15:00:43] <Ooze> but I'd still have everything in entirety?
2461[15:01:22] <Ooze> I'm just trying to move /michigan, /huron, and /superior to /backup and /transfer so I can relocate the drives to my NAS
2462[15:01:23] <jelly> correct
2463[15:01:25] <Ooze> then return it all
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2465[15:01:37] <Ooze> it freakin' me out
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2467[15:01:46] <jelly> that ls doesn't do subdirs
2468[15:02:05] <jelly> how did you compare the two values in each row?
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2470[15:02:19] <Ooze> They're mostly movies, I went into the main dir w/ just files and they looked the same
2471[15:02:22] <Ooze> just my eye
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2473[15:02:43] <jelly> movies won't be sparsifiable
2474[15:03:01] <jelly> vm images might be.
2475[15:03:08] <jelly> or some databases
2476[15:03:23] <Ooze> I have some documents and photos too
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2478[15:04:02] <jelly> find a command line or script that tells you which files are sparse out of all the files in a directory, recursively
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2480[15:04:21] <Ooze> Something like this? I'm too intimidated to run it replaced-url
2481[15:04:26] <jelly> yes
2482[15:04:53] <GenteelBen> I don't think you're ready for this jelly.
2483[15:05:20] <jelly> sorry?
2484[15:06:40] <GenteelBen> It's a song lyric, nevermind.
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2487[15:07:48] <jelly> Ooze: find /media/backup -type f \! -size 0 -printf '%S:%p\0' | sed -zn 's/^0[^:]*://p' | tr '\0' '\n' .... doesn't look too scary
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2489[15:08:21] <Ooze> returns n o t h i n g
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2493[15:09:01] <jelly> weird
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2496[15:09:51] <jelly> Ooze: what does du --apparent-size -xhs /media/michigan say?
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2500[15:10:25] <Ooze> 1.6T /media/michigan
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2502[15:10:38] <jelly> but 3.2T is in use
2503[15:10:51] <jelly> could be deleted files but still open by a process
2504[15:11:05] <Ooze> I did clear a lot from michigan recently
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2506[15:11:11] <jelly> Ooze: you got any torrent client processes still running or something?
2507[15:11:14] <Ooze> yeeee
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2509[15:11:21] <Ooze> rtorrent has a bunch of stuff
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2512[15:11:30] <jelly> !deleted
2513[15:11:38] <jelly> hmph, there was a factoid
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2518[15:14:34] <jelly> Ooze: lsof -n +L1 (as root)
2519[15:14:55] <jelly> perhaps | grep michigan
2520[15:15:40] <Ooze> in any location?
2521[15:15:45] <Ooze> or in a certain dir?
2522[15:15:54] <Ooze> replaced-url
2523[15:16:39] <jelly> that doesn't show anything on /media/michigan
2524[15:16:49] <Ooze> no, it doesn't
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2528[15:18:29] <jelly> Ooze: I'm stumped. Perhaps something else holds some files open but lsof doesn't see it. A reboot might help.
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2530[15:18:49] <jelly> or blindly killing suspect processes
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2532[15:18:59] <Ooze> I've rebooted several times in recent days. I'll reboot the actual host I suppose
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2535[15:21:17] <n4dir> debian-stable ppc, after booting during tty-login i get an endless message stating: firewire_ohci 0001:02:0e.0: isochronous cycle too long
2536[15:21:44] <n4dir> seems to be some hardware, lspci lists: 0001:02:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Apple Inc. Shasta Firewire
2537[15:21:54] <n4dir> doing ps i find:
2538[15:22:03] <n4dir> 73 ? S< 0:00 [firewire]
2539[15:22:03] <n4dir> 74 ? S< 0:00 [firewire_ohci]
2540[15:22:18] <n4dir> is there any quick way to get rid of those messages?
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2544[15:23:21] <jelly> n4dir: if you don't plan on using any firewire hardware you could blacklist the relevant kernel modules
2545[15:23:27] <jelly> !blacklist
2546[15:23:28] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
2547[15:23:32] <petn-randall> n4dir: You can grep them out if you want.
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2549[15:24:09] <n4dir> thanks, jelly, i never did blacklist, will try that.
2550[15:24:25] <jelly> n4dir: if that happens on the console, you can try playing with kernel log levels
2551[15:24:36] <jelly> !printk
2552[15:24:36] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See replaced-url
2553[15:25:00] <n4dir> well: i think i don't need those firewire thingy, but i am not that sure what exactly it is. :-)
2554[15:25:08] <jelly> if it only happens in logs... ignore it
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2556[15:25:49] <n4dir> i would, but it really is annoying when typing username and pwd. could switch to tty2, where no messages are to be found. will try blacklist, else go on to ignore it
2557[15:25:57] <n4dir> thanks again
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2559[15:26:22] <jelly> there may or may not be someone more clueful on a ppc-specific channel
2560[15:26:24] <jelly> !ppc
2561[15:26:24] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
2562[15:26:36] <n4dir> ah, cool, thanks for that too
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2578[15:29:27] <n4dir> jelly: just to be sure, i edited /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf likes this (both modules found by lsmod | grep fire): replaced-url
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2581[15:29:59] <jelly> looks reasonable
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2583[15:30:17] <n4dir> cool. thanks
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2587[15:32:31] <rdococ> I think I did this once, but forgot...
2588[15:33:24] <rdococ> how do I "install" a .deb archive?
2589[15:33:55] <feodaron> hi, Debian should work with 6 TB drive (4096 byte sectors)?
2590[15:33:56] <n4dir> dpkg -i *deb or gdebi (which will also take care of the dependencies)
2591[15:33:56] <dpkg> package *deb or gdebi (which will also take care of the dependencies) is already installed
2592[15:34:07] <feodaron> reading data from such drive e.g. with dd gives me IO errors
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2595[15:34:54] <feodaron> reading from /dev/sda = I/O errors. reading from /dev/sda1 kind of works but is super slow, like 100 times slower then it should be
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2597[15:35:14] <feodaron> debian was able to partition the disk and even setup filesytems there
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2601[15:38:53] <rdococ> hm... not the right architecture
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2606[15:41:47] <Ooze> looks like one of my volumes is already degraded
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2608[15:41:54] <Ooze> which is what I feared, but expected over a year+
2609[15:42:06] <Ooze> hopefully I can boot back up fine, then I'll shut down and see what the problem is
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2627[15:52:33] <Ooze> Just rebooted the host
2628[15:52:38] <Ooze> went much more smoothly than expected
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2630[15:53:19] <Ooze> drives are still the same size though
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2642[15:57:05] <rklopfer> can `pass` access the passwords stored in gnome keyring? i have both right now, but would like to consolidate the key stores
2643[15:59:21] <rklopfer> pass refers to this: replaced-url
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2649[16:01:04] <jer0me> hey there, on a machine without X, what do I need for xkb options to apply in tty? (capslock as control for instance)
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2655[16:03:30] <jenia> hello
2656[16:03:48] <jenia> does anyone know if it's possible to install debian on this machine:
2657[16:03:55] <jenia> replaced-url
2658[16:03:56] <jenia> ?
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2663[16:09:07] <TomTomTosch> i don't think so, at least not with the default kernel. replaced-url
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2669[16:11:39] <TomTomTosch> it might work once stretch gets released in 2017, but that's just a guess.
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2695[16:21:01] <star31416> On my server without any GUI I'm looking for an efficient way to play an audio notification (something like aplay etc.) on system boot. The problem is that aplay does not play the notification in the background, i.e., the boot process stalls until the 10 second lasting song is finished. Are there any suggestions for a fix? aplay -q xyz.wav &> /dev/null does not work.
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2728[16:34:10] <Vladimirski> Is there a command prompt tool which converts html to a pdf file ?
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2732[16:35:07] <yotam> wkhtmltopdf maybe?
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2735[16:36:58] <likcoras_> Hello, how would I search for packages I have installed from other archives? Like backports or something I added to sources.list
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2739[16:37:51] <abrotman> dpkg: tell likcoras_ about bdo list
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2741[16:38:36] <likcoras_> thanks!
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2756[16:43:26] <Vladimirski> yotam: I've tried it but it's really buggy and only downloads the first page it sees, although the URL should login to the application the wkhtmltopdf prints only the login screen..
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2759[16:44:02] <Elirips> Is it stupid to run Mate as desktop, but also install kdevelop and use that from within Mate? Or is it just a waste of diskspace, as kdevelop brings in a lot from kde?
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2762[16:45:07] <n4dir> apt-get install -s kdevelop will tell you what it will install (i hope)
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2764[16:45:20] <n4dir> -s like simultate, nothing will actually happen
2765[16:45:37] <abrotman> Elirips: it's your system, use it how you want
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2768[16:45:45] <Elirips> yes, it tells me it will install 400MB ob KDE stuff :)
2769[16:45:59] <abrotman> Someone else's opinion of "stupid" may not match yours
2770[16:46:25] <Elirips> abrotman: there should be no conflicts, that then suddenly some gnome magic wants to mount a device like a usb-stick and at the same moment kde wants to do so?
2771[16:46:30] <Elirips> well, I guess I'll just have to tes
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2773[16:46:40] <abrotman> Elirips: what are you using kdevelop for? Maybe there's a GTK-based equivalent?
2774[16:46:42] <feodaron> how to disable computer going to sleep?
2775[16:46:44] <n4dir> you could try --no-install-recommends, i wouldn't know how many features you will miss and how much space you will save (or safe, i sure don#t know)
2776[16:47:01] <feodaron> closing lid in text mode (no X) = sleep. how to disable this
2777[16:47:16] <abrotman> disable acpi perhaps
2778[16:47:24] <Elirips> abrotman: I'm trying to port some projects to linux, have a working cmake configuration, but as I come from windows and Visual STudio I would prefer something like that instead of just a pure editor
2779[16:47:28] <Elirips> and kdevelop looks nice
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2781[16:47:33] <feodaron> !acpi
2782[16:47:33] <dpkg> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see replaced-url
2783[16:47:35] <Elirips> but I'm open to any alternatives
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2785[16:48:05] <abrotman> Elirips: So, there is Eclipse (which works in Windows too), but Gnome has Anjuta IIRC
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2787[16:48:14] <abrotman> judd: info anjuta
2788[16:48:15] <judd> Package anjuta (gnome, optional) in jessie/amd64: GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. Version: 2:3.14.0-1; Size: 1463.1k; Installed: 4648k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2791[16:48:20] <Elirips> abrotman: I'm not a fan of eclipse
2792[16:48:35] <abrotman> okay, so, look at anjuta.org, see if it looks like something usable
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2794[16:48:52] <Elirips> or has it become faster and more responsive in the last .. hm.. 3 or 5 .. years?
2795[16:48:53] <abrotman> otherwise, intsall the tools that work for you
2796[16:49:02] <abrotman> I haven't used Eclipse in ages, I couldn't answer that
2797[16:49:05] <Elirips> abrotman: okay, i will look into anjuta, thanks for the input
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2806[16:52:03] <n4dir> there are several IDE's for C, i can't remember the names. Not sure if more than only an IDE is needed.
2807[16:52:09] <apeplanet> hey fuck you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin thieving girl murdering Nazi/Jew trash..you goddamn bastards need to hand over the trillions of dollars in Model 1 royalties you motherfuckers owe the 5 of us and pay for your goddamn heinous crimes
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2820[16:54:30] <n4dir> i meant codeblocks
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2823[16:55:57] <Elirips> ah, codeblocks, wasnt that related to wxWidgets some time ago?
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2834[16:59:28] <diamvw> Could Debian SID be considered as an rolling distro? I have many issue with tumbleweed and rawhide lately
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2837[17:00:06] <pogs> i would not look at Sid as a distro more like a package pool that changes often
2838[17:00:08] <bllluruks> hey all
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2841[17:00:40] <pogs> when you upgrade in the wrong moment then your system breaks
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2847[17:01:25] <diamvw> pogs: it is the price of customisation
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2852[17:01:56] <bllluruks> i always upgrade only when i have a few hours free after to fix stuff!
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2854[17:02:04] <pogs> hehe
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2858[17:04:02] <diamvw> bllluruks: ...but dnf inform me about 4.10 kernel. I could not resist...
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2864[17:05:50] <diamvw> Which rolling distro is recommended from Debian family? I have seen some of them like Sidux but i am not aware of them
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2868[17:06:34] <mtn> diamvw: none of them are really good rolling distros. if you want to roll, go arch ;)
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2871[17:07:10] <n4dir> if you really want it rolling, then the freeze can be very long ...
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2876[17:08:07] <bllluruks> haha i know the feeling diamvw
2877[17:08:15] <yotam> bllluruks: How often does it break for you? I used Debian Unstable for a few weeks and for me it's more stable than Fedora
2878[17:08:17] <n4dir> and i think the sid distros, now siduction and aptosid ?, focus on kde. might be wrong though.
2879[17:08:25] <star31416> systemd-analyze blame shows in general start up times below 300ms which is fine. However, "2.154s networking.service" is IMHO quite high for just a simple configuration as replaced-url
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2881[17:08:55] <diamvw> mtn: i was on Arch but oracle db installation what nightmare. In the end i used docker
2882[17:09:02] <bllluruks> yotam, it's normally more my fault than actual bugs
2883[17:09:13] <pogs> sidux is siduction now
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2888[17:10:34] <abrotman> diamvw: Debian doesn'thave a rolling distro, and things based on Debian aren't supported here
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2893[17:11:35] <bllluruks> i use debian unstable on all my devices, but the most important things i do on a computer is using a web browser and SSH
2894[17:11:52] <diamvw> abrotman: that's why i asked here. So neither testing or sid are considered as usable rollinf distro. They are merely for testers / packagers of debian
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2898[17:12:14] <bllluruks> my parents are on wheezy...
2899[17:12:24] <abrotman> diamvw: not true. But that aside, they aren't true rolling distros like you're looking for
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2901[17:12:50] <abrotman> all manner of people/users use testing/unstable for various things
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2911[17:13:53] <bllluruks> "and things based on Debian aren't supported here" what does this mean? O.o
2912[17:14:36] <babilen> bllluruks: It means that only Debian is supported in here, but not the many derivatives
2913[17:15:05] <bllluruks> ah i see
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2917[17:15:26] <bllluruks> sorry my understanding of wording isn't too good
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2919[17:15:35] <babilen> No worries
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2922[17:16:15] <diamvw> Do Debian SID shipped wayland?
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2927[17:17:05] * zykotick9 notes, sid never "ships"...
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2931[17:17:39] <yotam> It's not default if that's what you are asking
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2933[17:18:12] <diamvw> OK. Thank you
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2936[17:19:03] <mtn> wayland is default with gnome
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2942[17:21:25] <yotam> mtn: are you sure? I'm using Debian unstable with Gnome and Nvidia drivers, from what I understand it doesn't work with Wayland
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2944[17:21:37] <n4dir> diamvw: imho that overview is not too bad: replaced-url
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2946[17:22:22] <mtn> yotam: I am on stretch and it uses wayland by default. you can choose to use xorg, instead
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2949[17:22:43] <mtn> yotam: I am using intel video
2950[17:23:11] <yotam> mtn: I don't think I changed from the default, maybe they detect if Wayland is supported?
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2954[17:23:35] <mtn> yotam: could be. I know it switched to wayland without asking ;)
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2957[17:24:48] <diamvw> i think that this is a matter of the implementation for each DE. In arch i was asked which one to use, but on Tumbleweed or Rawhide no prompt
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2960[17:25:45] <mtn> diamvw: arch switched to wayland without asking, too
2961[17:26:21] <awal1> mtn: is it enough stable (gnome+wayland)?
2962[17:26:41] * n4dir searches the horizon if a new never ending flamewar already approaches ..
2963[17:26:53] <mtn> awal1: works fine on my machine
2964[17:26:53] * spacebug^ wants to switch to Wayland. But I think NVIDIA hasn't done any drivers for it yet
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2966[17:27:22] <diamvw> mtn: my installation was before 2 years
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2969[17:28:16] <diamvw> mtn: it is absolutely magic that it survived also systemd change
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2971[17:29:06] <mtn> diamvw: do you mind a pm?
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2973[17:30:03] <diamvw> OK
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2976[17:31:11] <n4dir> i would rather be surprised if changing the init system would not be survived. couple of days ago i checked and found 4 init systems in debian repos
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2992[17:35:04] <Walex> n4dir: first they came with udev; and I said nothing because I did not use udev; then they came with DBUS; and I said nothing because I did not use DBUS; then they came with 'systemd'; and I said nothing because I did not use 'systemd'; then they came with Wayland/Weston/...; and I said nothing because I was too sad. :-)
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2994[17:35:46] <n4dir> :-)
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3005[17:38:12] <pogs> Walex: i think that is one reason why they call debian the universal os - you have several options to choose from?
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3007[17:39:06] <chomwitt> is it possible apt-cache policy foo to show that a newer version of a package exist but apt-get upgrade to not showing it in the list of packages that will install ?
3008[17:39:19] <Quatroking> any way to measure speed between a windows and debian machine on LAN?
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3011[17:39:44] <Walex> comgot: yes, different cases can happent that result in that.
3012[17:39:57] <Walex> chomwitt: yes, different cases can happent that result in that.
3013[17:39:58] <n4dir> pogs: have fun with trying it.
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3017[17:40:13] <Quatroking> I just copied over a 150 megabyte archive from windows to debian and it finished within a second
3018[17:40:35] <chomwitt> Walex: so its not a bug or sth
3019[17:40:36] <starstuff> Hi, I have lost my windows 10 option in the grub menu when I boot my system. Can anyone help me get it back please?
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3021[17:40:59] <n4dir> update-grub doesn't help?
3022[17:41:13] <Walex> pogs: but the problem is that the "axis of Linux evil" want to redefine the UNIX architecture by introducing a new set of "base" APIs. Without forking it, just little by little.
3023[17:41:13] <chomwitt> starstuff: you must regenerate grub menu with update-grub
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3025[17:41:44] <starstuff> chomwitt: I ran update-grub but it didn't mention windows in the output. I haven't rebooted yet to check though.
3026[17:41:56] <starstuff> chomwitt: I ran os-prober and it didn't find any windows
3027[17:42:03] <n4dir> if it didn't mention it it should be there
3028[17:42:08] <chomwitt> starstuff: thats not good i think
3029[17:42:10] <Walex> Quatroking: one radical way is to install the Ubunt or Cygwin user layer and then use any of the usual tools, like 'nuttcp' or 'iperf'
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3031[17:42:55] <chomwitt> starstuff: suddenly the menu entry was lost? did u do sth ?
3032[17:42:59] <starstuff> chomwitt: maybe it has to do with my bios settings related to this stupid uefi vs. legacy boot mode?
3033[17:43:25] <Walex> chomwitt: I prefer using 'aptitude' to explore available versions and dependencies.
3034[17:43:34] <starstuff> chomwitt: I had to reinstall Debian. Before reinstalling Debian it was working fine with dual-boot. Then, after reinstalling Debian, I lost the grub menu option to boot into Windows
3035[17:43:36] <chomwitt> starstuff: well i dont know details about uefi
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3038[17:44:16] <Walex> starstuff: I am not familiar with UEFI, but if you are not doing UEFI boot, you should find MS-Windows in the UEFI menu.
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3040[17:44:40] <Walex> if you are *now* doing UEFI boot....
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3042[17:44:55] <starstuff> if I installed windows 10 with my bios set to uefi, then disabled uefi and installed debian jessie in the second half of the hard drive, does that mean I can't dual boot with windows anymore? I'm so confused.
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3045[17:45:28] <starstuff> Walex: I think I was doing uefi boot before, when my dual boot was working. Then I think I disabled it and reinstalled debian on the second half of my disk.
3046[17:45:55] <starstuff> ugh. why does this stupid uefi have to be so confusing. I don't understand the point of it.
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3048[17:47:54] <starstuff> in gnome-disks it says "EFI System" on /dev/nvme0n1p2 (this is one of the partitions created from windows 10 install)
3049[17:48:17] <starstuff> so now I *have* to use uefi in my bios if I want access to dual-booting windows 10?
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3060[17:54:59] <pampeho> starstuff: i doubt it, you probably just don't have GRUB configured properly
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3063[17:55:37] <pogs> and you could check if your linux system is able to access windows / ntfs
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3076[17:58:12] <unicron> how do you run a script after boot these days? /etc/rc.local seems to run before everything else thanks to systemd
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3083[18:00:46] <Ooze> Hey jelly, these sizes are still the same even after a host reboot
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3085[18:00:52] <Ooze> One drive in my RAID array is failed, though
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3116[18:16:55] <wewlad> does anyone here use the latest stable apache on latest stable Debian and uses mpm_prefork module?
3117[18:17:12] <sioux_> Hi. I have installed debian 8 with netinstall iso, but the ethernet not recognize, only wireless. In Windows works fine. But using 'lspci' not listed. How can i resolve this?
3118[18:17:26] <sioux_> here is out of lpsci: replaced-url
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3148[18:27:56] <jelly> Ooze: dunno, I'm out of ideas. Might we worth a try doing a rsync with --checksum, after you rebuild the array
3149[18:28:02] <jelly> be* worth
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3242[19:15:17] <jkl> Hi, I am using gpg (GnuPG) 2.1.16 on debian and after a recent update (a month or two) I noticed that the pinentry used ignores the DISPLAY variable: I always get a X pinentry even when I unset DISPLAY (I used to get the pintentry-curses prompt with DISPLAY unset). I had read about using dbus-update-activation-environment --systemd DISPLAY to enable the DISPLAY variable, but I still don't get the curses pinentry. What I would like is
3243[19:15:17] <jkl> to use a X prompt by default but revert to a terminal only one when needed (ideally without having to restart the agent). Does anyone know how to achieve that? Thanks.
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3260[19:18:41] <sioux_> Hi when i run "lspci | grep Ethernet" don´t show my wire ethernet only wireless. In windows the wired ether runs normal"
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3268[19:22:39] <jelly> sioux_: how new is your hardware? Pastebin full output of "lspci -n"
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3270[19:22:56] <jelly> sioux_: sorry, "lspci -nn"
3271[19:23:45] <jelly> jkl: which debian release is this
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3273[19:24:07] <jelly> judd: v gnupg2
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3275[19:24:08] <judd> Package: gnupg2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.0.19-2+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2.0.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.26-6+deb8u1; stretch: 2.1.15-4; stretch: 2.1.16-3; sid: 2.1.17-2
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3281[19:25:03] <jkl> jelly: I am on testing
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3283[19:25:41] <jelly> welcome to testing, please file a bug report...
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3285[19:25:52] <jelly> dpkg, tell jkl about reportbug
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3287[19:25:55] <jkl> ok thanks
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3290[19:26:33] <TomTomTosch> sioux_: if lspci doesn't list your device maybe lshw does. it's in the lshw package.
3291[19:27:02] <sioux_> jelly: the Lenovo E73
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3293[19:27:37] <sioux_> TomTomTosch: so i will download lshw package, because in netinstall dont download this package
3294[19:28:05] <DeaDSouL> Hi, what is the most recommended 10G switch ?
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3296[19:28:08] <TomTomTosch> it does not come preinstalled.
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3301[19:30:05] <sioux_> jelly: replaced-url
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3309[19:33:08] <jelly> sioux_: so it's either not connected via PCI/PCIe or some additional config is required from the OS side for it to appear
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3321[19:38:12] <jelly> sioux_: what about lsusb ?
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3323[19:39:43] <sioux_> jelly: TomTomTosch: this is paste of lshw: replaced-url
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3332[19:41:21] <Ooze> jelly, Do I have to rebuild the array for that to work, to be able to determine if I have everything or not?
3333[19:41:29] <Ooze> I just went out to buy a new drive but they didn't have it
3334[19:41:31] <Ooze> ugh
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3340[19:42:27] <sioux_> jelly: TomTomTosch the leds indicators of network card it´s on, normally
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3349[19:45:24] <wewlad> does anyone here use the latest stable apache on latest stable Debian and uses mpm_prefork module?
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3352[19:45:54] <TomTomTosch> sioux_: no hints from the lshw output. you could try finding the chipset in windows or open the case and read the print.
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3354[19:46:03] <babilen> wewlad: Many people are likely to use Apache on Jessie, yes
3355[19:46:13] <babilen> !next
3356[19:46:13] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
3357[19:46:20] <wewlad> babilen: are you one of them?
3358[19:46:24] <jelly> Ooze: no, it's just saner and you're going to have decreased performance with a degraded array
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3361[19:47:03] <jelly> babilen: I've had this conversation with wewlad an hour ago. You don't want to go there.
3362[19:47:05] <babilen> wewlad: I am primarily deploying nginx, but why don't you ask your real question (assuming you don't just want to find a person who uses Apache on Debian)
3363[19:47:08] <Ooze> I'm about to move my drives over so I think i'm fine
3364[19:47:15] <Ooze> just going to build a new array and expand it later when i get the drive
3365[19:47:19] <babilen> jelly: aye
3366[19:47:20] <Ooze> ahhh I just hope i Have all my data
3367[19:47:22] <TomTomTosch> (also yesterday, word by word.)
3368[19:47:23] <Ooze> not losing anything
3369[19:47:26] <wewlad> babilen: don't assume wrong stuff.
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3372[19:47:44] <wewlad> babilen: so are you using latest stable nginx on latest stable debian?
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3374[19:48:01] <babilen> I'm sure I have a box somewhere ..
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3376[19:48:22] <wewlad> how sure are you?
3377[19:48:43] <wewlad> if you are sure enough - could you check which mpm_ module you use there?
3378[19:48:44] <jelly> babilen: "my apache config is broken and I'm suspecting it's mpm_prefork's fault not mine. I will not tell you which package version, and only tell you it's amd64 if poked hard enough"
3379[19:48:56] <greycat> wewlad: *why*?
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3381[19:49:08] <wewlad> greycat: hello. Why what?
3382[19:49:33] <greycat> Why are you asking what other, random, people are using? What problem are you having?
3383[19:49:38] <jelly> also "I will not check BTS, and I will not try to reproduce on a clean jessie amd64 install"
3384[19:49:48] <babilen> wewlad: I am not necessarily running a query against hundreds of production boxes unless you actually ask a question
3385[19:49:50] <wewlad> greycat: because it is important to me.
3386[19:50:20] <greycat> wewlad: It is of zero importance to US until you ask a specific question.
3387[19:50:23] <jelly> greycat: just did a recap from last time wewlad asked. ^^
3388[19:50:29] <wewlad> babilen: tl;dr: I suspect mpm_prefork doesn't work in latest stable nginx on latest stable debian.
3389[19:50:32] <greycat> jelly: yeah, not surprising
3390[19:50:49] <greycat> so he's using both apache and nginx
3391[19:50:59] <wewlad> damn, I mean apache
3392[19:51:01] <jelly> that was probably a typo right now
3393[19:51:01] <greycat> probably at the same time on the same box on the same port on the same interface, too
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3395[19:51:03] <wewlad> sorry, a typo
3396[19:51:13] <wewlad> greycat: assume more
3397[19:51:21] <greycat> Nope, done. Bye bye asshole.
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3401[19:51:28] <wewlad> bb pussycat
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3403[19:51:52] <greycat> Negative importance, /ignored.
3404[19:52:03] <wewlad> oh noes, I've lost a huge helper
3405[19:52:13] <wewlad> he helped soooo much asking me all about my problem
3406[19:52:22] <wewlad> woes upon me :(
3407[19:52:31] <babilen> wewlad: Drop it please
3408[19:52:49] <jelly> wewlad: focus on tech stuff and not on how little help you're getting
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3411[19:52:57] <Ooze> dude this is driving me insane
3412[19:53:06] <wewlad> babilen: you drop. If you don't run a latest stable apache on latest stable debian, which I explicitly asked - don't bother me with your questions
3413[19:53:12] <Ooze> I just added up the subdirs of each drive and they're the same total
3414[19:53:19] <Ooze> but more space is used on one driver than the other
3415[19:53:27] <wewlad> jelly: the stuff is that debian doesn't fucking provide me any means to diagnose the problem
3416[19:53:27] <jelly> Ooze: and it's not 3.2T ? ;-)
3417[19:53:38] <greycat> different block sizes in the file system, or different file systems, or removed-but-still-open log files
3418[19:53:44] <wewlad> and the problem shouldn't have happened at all if I to believe you all
3419[19:53:44] <jelly> wewlad: you did not say whether you looked at logs
3420[19:53:52] <wewlad> jelly: I did say that multiple times
3421[19:53:57] <wewlad> logs are fucking empty
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3423[19:54:07] <wewlad> they say stupid shit like 'mpm module is no loaded'
3424[19:54:13] <wewlad> 'aborting this task'
3425[19:54:18] <greycat> or a different reserved-for-root percentage, or other file system options
3426[19:54:22] <sioux_> jelly: TomTomTosch it´s USB_lan, ih81m lenovo motherboard
3427[19:54:22] <Ooze> It's 1615.3
3428[19:54:28] <Ooze> GB
3429[19:54:42] <jelly> wewlad: and the process dies?
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3431[19:55:01] <babilen> wewlad: I have boxes on which mpm_prefork is loaded .. I don't see how this is relevant though
3432[19:55:07] <wewlad> jelly: I didn't check that
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3435[19:55:20] <wewlad> jelly: seems like there are 4 apache processes
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3437[19:55:35] <wewlad> ps | grep apache | pastebinit replaced-url
3438[19:56:05] <wewlad> babilen: do those boxes run latest stable debian and latest stable apache?
3439[19:56:16] <wewlad> babilen: yes/no is all I need to hear.
3440[19:56:16] <babilen> wewlad: What is "latest stable apache" ?
3441[19:56:19] <jelly> wewlad: so apache IS running. what does "apachectl -M" say
3442[19:56:19] <babilen> (which version)
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3444[19:56:45] <wewlad> babilen: the one installed by "apt-get upgrade 'yes; yes, please'"
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3446[19:56:50] <wewlad> hold on
3447[19:56:55] <babilen> wewlad: yes
3448[19:56:59] <babilen> Are we done now?
3449[19:57:06] <wewlad> babilen: yes, thanks.
3450[19:57:30] <jelly> wewlad: you want to provide actual version numbers. dpkg -l apache\* for example
3451[19:57:34] <babilen> Okay .. *shrug*
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3454[19:57:54] <wewlad> jelly: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7
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3456[19:58:18] <greycat> If someone is refusing to provide version numbers, it's usually because they are not actually using Debian, and they are abusing us, and they KNOW THIS, and they are intentionally doing it anyway and trying to hide it.
3457[19:58:36] <greycat> Especially when combined with an overall trollish attitude.
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3459[19:59:00] <wewlad> greycat: I'm a newb and I always forget how to run a query through installed packages to see what version they are
3460[19:59:04] <jelly> wewlad: can you pastebin actual output of dpkg -l apache\*|grep ^.i
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3462[19:59:09] <wewlad> dpkg -l apache\* replaced-url
3463[19:59:09] <dpkg> No packages found matching apache\* replaced-url
3464[19:59:18] <sioux_> jelly: it´s usb ethernet
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3468[19:59:59] <wewlad> why would anyone come to ask questions about the system he doesn't use?
3469[20:00:02] <jelly> sioux_: good, now you know something. it's a haswell system, maybe you need a newer kernel for the drivers to pick it up
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3472[20:00:38] <wewlad> jelly: [root] ~/ # dpkg -l apache\* | pastebinit replaced-url
3473[20:00:46] <gitgud> i dont understand the use of the jigdo thing. can i just download the iso file?
3474[20:00:47] <wewlad> (if the above screenshot didn't suit you)
3475[20:00:52] <greycat> sure
3476[20:00:59] <jelly> gitgud: if it exists, yes
3477[20:01:00] <greycat> !netinst
3478[20:01:00] <dpkg> i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
3479[20:01:01] <gitgud> replaced-url
3480[20:01:25] <jelly> wewlad: good, so they all match and it's the current version
3481[20:01:34] <gitgud> i want the netinst of the debian stable one and i want to know if its good enough for server :p
3482[20:01:46] <wewlad> jelly: please, guide me, if you are willing to help
3483[20:01:53] <wewlad> I believe I did nothing to break apache
3484[20:01:56] <greycat> gitgud: replaced-url
3485[20:01:59] <wewlad> it got broken by just updating it
3486[20:02:03] <jelly> wewlad: did you pastebin apachectl -M
3487[20:02:23] <wewlad> apachectl -M | pastebinit AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message replaced-url
3488[20:02:35] <gitgud> ok thanks jelly and greycat
3489[20:02:43] <gitgud> i shall now use the netinst one
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3491[20:02:47] <wewlad> jelly: oops, hold on
3492[20:02:50] <jelly> wewlad: you have mpm_event_module (shared) enabled right now
3493[20:02:58] <wewlad> I've 'fixed' the problem by switching to mpm_event
3494[20:03:23] <jelly> wewlad: stop apache, verify processes are gone, disable that, reenable prefork, start it
3495[20:03:38] <sioux_> jelly: how can i do this ??
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3497[20:03:59] <jelly> dpkg, tell sioux_ about bdo kernel
3498[20:04:02] <jelly> dpkg, tell sioux_ about bdo
3499[20:04:12] <wewlad> jelly: do I need to stop? I thought I could just a2dismon&&a2enmod on the go
3500[20:04:31] <jelly> wewlad: did I fucking stutter
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3504[20:04:58] <wewlad> no, sir/mam
3505[20:05:11] <jelly> (no, you don't, it's a precautionary measure and playing it safe)
3506[20:05:12] <sioux_> jelly: thanks
3507[20:05:22] <wewlad> systemctl start apache2 Job for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
3508[20:05:31] <jelly> good.
3509[20:05:42] <wewlad> apachectl -M | pastebinit AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded. replaced-url
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3515[20:06:16] <jelly> wewlad: now show the latest stuff from error.log and, why not, "systemctl status apache2"
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3517[20:06:56] <wewlad> jelly: that's why: systemctl status apache2 | pastebinit replaced-url
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3523[20:07:41] <wewlad> jelly: cat /var/log/apache2/error.log | pastebinit replaced-url
3524[20:08:27] <jelly> wewlad: ls -ld /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_prefork.so
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3526[20:08:58] <wewlad> 36K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35K Sep 15 23:46 /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_prefork.so
3527[20:09:20] <jelly> and ls -la /etc/apache2/mods-*/*prefork*
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3529[20:10:15] <wewlad> jelly: ls -la /etc/apache2/mods-*/*prefork* | pastebinit replaced-url
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3532[20:10:52] <wewlad> [it is listed as enabled, it doesn't work, no errors are informative enough]
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3534[20:11:07] <jelly> wewlad: grep . /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*prefork*
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3536[20:11:28] <jelly> the file /etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_prefork.load looks modified
3537[20:11:46] <wewlad> that command just leave the prompt hanging
3538[20:11:52] <wewlad> I ctrl+c'ed it
3539[20:11:55] <wewlad> shout I wait?
3540[20:11:58] <wewlad> should*
3541[20:12:05] <jelly> that shouldn't happen
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3546[20:12:46] <wewlad> replaced-url
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3548[20:13:14] <wewlad> but why '.'?
3549[20:13:15] <jelly> wewlad: missing space between . and /
3550[20:13:18] <wewlad> oh
3551[20:13:35] <wewlad> replaced-url
3552[20:13:36] <wewlad> err
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3554[20:13:45] <wewlad> replaced-url
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3557[20:14:17] <jelly> wewlad: someone commented out the actual line that does LoadModule
3558[20:14:28] <jelly> so naturally... the module does not get loaded
3559[20:14:40] <wewlad> weird
3560[20:14:44] <wewlad> okay, uncommenting then
3561[20:15:09] <n4dir> i tried both versions in this /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf ; both still load the modules and give endless error messages on tty.
3562[20:15:32] <jelly> wewlad: now consider this: I was able to help without having actual latest apache on latest debian 8 with mpm_prefork on amd64 running someplace.
3563[20:15:39] <wewlad> thanks, helly :/
3564[20:15:42] <wewlad> jelly*
3565[20:15:47] <n4dir> while running modprobe -r firewire_ohci and firewire_core stops them and hence stops the error messages too
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3567[20:16:09] <wewlad> jelly: well, you really committed to the help
3568[20:16:09] <jelly> wewlad: so next time pretty fucking please ask the actual question, and don't ask for "someone running exactly this"
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3570[20:16:19] <wewlad> I asked the question multiple times
3571[20:16:24] <jelly> no, no you didn't
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3573[20:16:28] <wewlad> the last time I was told 'check logs, it should work'
3574[20:16:28] <babilen> wewlad: And you really didn't want any other person to help
3575[20:16:33] <wewlad> I said I've checked them
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3577[20:16:43] <wewlad> as you can see - logs weren't helpful here
3578[20:16:47] * babilen still doesn't understand why we "were done" even though we obviously weren't
3579[20:16:59] <jelly> you asked "is there anyone running latest foo on jessie with my config"
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3581[20:17:02] <n4dir> ups, missed to mpost the pastebin: replaced-url
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3583[20:17:26] <wewlad> jelly: that's because I had a discussion on this chan about my problem at least twice in the latest 24 hours
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3585[20:17:40] <wewlad> jelly: so I just narrowed the problem down, as some smartass told me to
3586[20:17:58] <wewlad> anyways, thank you, jelly
3587[20:18:03] <jelly> wewlad: that wasn't narrowing the problem, that was narrowing the choice of volunteer help you'd agree to
3588[20:18:12] <jelly> don't do that
3589[20:18:27] <wewlad> well, no one wanted to help
3590[20:18:44] <jelly> when you think you're smarter than volunteer help, that's what happens yes
3591[20:18:52] <wewlad> so all I could is try to find someone with the same config to see if that's a package issue, which I really believed
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3593[20:19:05] <wewlad> how could that file have a line got commented?
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3595[20:19:08] <wewlad> I didn't touch it
3596[20:19:10] <jelly> no, you could try to provide more actual info
3597[20:19:13] <wewlad> I just did apt-get upgrade
3598[20:19:35] <jelly> wewlad: someone touched it on... replaced-url
3599[20:20:08] <wewlad> what?
3600[20:20:13] <wewlad> it was working well before
3601[20:20:19] <jelly> the default, untouched file, is 108 bytes long
3602[20:20:21] <wewlad> I've been updating debian since then multiple times
3603[20:20:26] <wewlad> initial install was 8.2, afaik
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3606[20:20:36] <jelly> did you reboot since then?
3607[20:20:49] <wewlad> not sure, but most probably yes
3608[20:20:50] <jelly> I bet not
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3611[20:21:07] <wewlad> also, when I was updating I got this error: updating apache: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache2-mod-php5.postinst: 291: [: !=: unexpected operator
3612[20:21:17] <wewlad> which is weird: that file has less than 90 lines
3613[20:21:54] <jelly> it sources something else, probably
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3617[20:22:06] <wewlad> weird, and now that file is gone
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3620[20:22:48] <wewlad> oh, jeez, it must have gone when I reinstalled apache
3621[20:22:50] <jelly> maybe you uninstalled libapache2-mod-php5
3622[20:22:56] <wewlad> by deleting and installing it again
3623[20:22:57] <wewlad> yeah
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3625[20:24:45] <wewlad> I got lost: do I even need that package if I use proxy_fcgi?
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3627[20:25:33] <jelly> if you want php, you need one php abi, so I'm guessing "no"
3628[20:26:00] <wewlad> afaiu proxy_fcgi is something related to php
3629[20:26:14] <wewlad> I might be veeeery wrong
3630[20:26:43] <wewlad> you know what, I just thought over - I think I acted like a dick to other guys here, I admit that now and I want to say I'm sorry
3631[20:26:45] <jelly> I honestly don't know which php ABIs exist these days and what's the best way to run a php-capable web service
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3633[20:27:10] <greycat> !best
3634[20:27:10] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
3635[20:27:26] <wewlad> I'm sorry, greycay
3636[20:27:28] <jelly> fpm? fcgid? ponies?
3637[20:27:28] <wewlad> greycat*
3638[20:27:47] <wewlad> php5-fpm, iirc
3639[20:27:55] <jelly> greycat: best is "not use php at all" but...
3640[20:27:56] <greycat> I would never pretend to be a PHP expert, but I have a web site that uses nginx + php-fpm
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3643[20:28:49] <jelly> don't know if "proxy_fcgi" is involved in one of the possible ways to get php running
3644[20:28:57] <jelly> might be, or not
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3648[20:29:50] <jelly> guess I'll learn when I upgrade me some wheezies
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3650[20:31:17] <rocketmagnet> hi all
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3656[20:35:32] <rocketmagnet> i have a problem: after my powerline went done and my computer shuts down because of no power. now i'm not able to log into X11 as the user when the power went off, i can log in as root and go to the console and change to that user but i can't log into X11
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3658[20:37:02] <pampeho> have you checked out contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
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3660[20:37:44] <greycat> also look for whatever file in the user's home directory the desktop environment tries to write to when it starts up, e.g. ~/.xsession-errors or the GNOME or KDE or ... equivalent
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3662[20:37:57] <greycat> also make sure no file systems are full
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3664[20:40:12] <jhutchins_wk> pampeho: Do you get an error or does it just go back to the login screen?
3665[20:40:36] <jelly> how do those DEs manage to corrupt their internal data to breakage point with a single powerloss
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3667[20:41:03] <greycat> Is "by being crap" good enough, or do you need to know the specific flavor of crap?
3668[20:41:24] <pampeho> jhutchins_wk: i think you highlighted the wrong person :)
3669[20:41:27] <jhutchins_wk> I remember when we used to loose whole systems on a single power loss.
3670[20:41:44] <greycat> Well, hardware failure is a different matter.
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3674[20:42:57] <jhutchins_wk> ext2 was pretty sensitive to abrupt shutdown.
3675[20:43:36] <jhutchins_wk> pampeho: Yep.
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3677[20:43:52] <jhutchins_wk> rocketmagnet: Do you get an error or does it just go back to the login screen.
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3683[20:45:58] <mirak> hi
3684[20:46:35] <mirak> is there a way to remove all packages just installed from the previous apt-get install ?
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3688[20:47:28] <greycat> *remove*? uh... I guess that could be done, in theory, by parsing dpkg.log ...
3689[20:47:35] <greycat> but I doubt that's what you really want
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3695[20:49:34] <n4dir> wouldn't or shouldn't a simple apt-get remove <pkg> followed by apt-get autoremove take care of at least most of it?
3696[20:49:49] <n4dir> perhaps apt-get purge instead remove.
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3698[20:50:09] <greycat> Not if what he actually wants is to *revert* to the previous state, which may include some combination of removals/purges and package downgrades.
3699[20:50:38] <n4dir> ah, i thought he only wanted to ...
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3707[20:54:36] <jhutchins_wk> mirak: There should be a list of the latest transaction in /var/log/apt/history.log
3708[20:54:59] <jhutchins_wk> mirak: I also have an easier-to-parse log in /var/log/aptitude
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3710[20:55:27] <jhutchins_wk> !partial downgrade
3711[20:55:27] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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3733[21:00:54] <mirak> jhutchins_wk, I installed like 100 packages
3734[21:01:05] <mirak> I used dpkg.log to find the list
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3741[21:03:32] <jhutchins_wk> mirak: That's a little harder to get just a package list for a given transaction out of.
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3751[21:08:31] <babilen> mirak: How did you install them?
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3801[21:43:58] <little_tommy> wish there was some info on the openssl(1.0.2 -> 1.1) situation
3802[21:44:22] <greycat> there's a situation?
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3804[21:45:12] <little_tommy> 1.0.2 has longer EOL. 1.1 causes problems building some things for me
3805[21:45:25] <little_tommy> in sid
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3807[21:45:32] <greycat> Oh, off topic. *shrug*
3808[21:45:44] <little_tommy> really?
3809[21:45:56] <greycat> !debian-next
3810[21:45:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3812[21:46:08] <little_tommy> thank you
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3814[21:46:14] <greycat> I suspected you were talking about post-stable because it's a library transition, but...
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3816[21:46:54] <little_tommy> yes
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3818[21:50:41] <somiaj> little_tommy: seems 1.1.0 is the version that is being made ready for stretch, you should check the BTS to see if others expereicen the same build bugs you do, and if not report it.
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3822[21:51:28] <greycat> "2016-11-05: Transition freeze (general freeze of transitions)"
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3825[21:52:47] <somiaj> seems the original transition was 2016-09-26 for 1.1.0b, and 2016-11-10 1.1.0c got pushed in right after that.
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3827[21:53:15] <greycat> Not my place to criticize 'em... just pasting from the wiki.
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3834[21:54:10] <little_tommy> there was some discussion mail list about reverting because 1.1 would eol before 1.0.2
3835[21:54:18] <somiaj> oh wait, nevermind, missreading the tracker. 2016-11-28 is when the migration actually happened. Anyways, it seems to me looking at the tracker they would like to get 1.1.0 into stretch.
3836[21:54:19] <little_tommy> never saw any resolution
3837[21:54:38] <somiaj> little_tommy: it may depend on bugs, if you have bug report it, it helps them make decisions like that.
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3845[21:59:01] <Zambezi> On the wiki, there's a Stretch-version for RPi3. replaced-url
3846[21:59:22] <greycat> If it's stretch, ask in #debian-next on OFTC.
3847[21:59:31] <greycat> Or you may need an ARM specific channel.
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3849[22:00:37] <somiaj> well the wiki says it is an unoffical, unsupported, preview image. Unsure the best place to get support for that.
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3852[22:01:22] <greycat> Pretty sure "unsupported" answers that piece.
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3857[22:02:47] <Zambezi> somiaj: Just want a clean install as possible. And no HDMI output is really not a problem as long as I can access it once. Might need to seek optional alternatives.
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3860[22:03:31] <kaak> how can I create a debian source package that builds binary packages for both my host arch and a foreign arch?
3861[22:03:33] <somiaj> Zambezi: the arm channel on irc.oftc.net migh be of better help getting it up and working. But that wiki seems to say it is only a preview and it may not work.
3862[22:04:04] <kaak> e.g. a source package that will create both an amd64 binary package and an armhf binary package
3863[22:04:06] <somiaj> kaak: care to clarify, is this a personal package, or one in the debian archives. In general in debian the same source package builds all the arches.
3864[22:04:18] <rocketmagnet> has debian a gui that shows me what apps are using the most disk space ??
3865[22:04:26] <somiaj> kaak: if the software can compile on the different arches, you shoudln't have to do anything. The source package should comiple on both arches.
3866[22:04:30] <rocketmagnet> i'm running out of disk space
3867[22:04:43] <Zambezi> somiaj: Thanks!
3868[22:05:04] <kaak> somiaj: personal package -- the compilation of the multi arch is not a problem, just the packaging. Its a golang based personal project
3869[22:05:13] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: maybe not a gui, but there may be a command line tool. Also have you ran apt-get clean recentally to delete all the .debs that get downloaded in installs/and upgrades. you can run du -h /var/cache/apt/archives to see how much space you'll get back.
3870[22:05:13] <missmbob> rocketmagnet: aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I" but also try apt-get clean and look in /var/log/
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3872[22:06:01] <greycat> !ds
3873[22:06:02] <dpkg> ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at replaced-url
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3875[22:06:11] <somiaj> kaak: the same source package should compile on the different arches. So once you ahve created the source package, set up an enviroment to build it in on the correct arch. Unsure on cross compiling here, maybe qemu vm can do it.
3876[22:06:42] <somiaj> kaak: have you tried compiling the package in both arches? Do you have a build enviroment set up for both arches?
3877[22:06:47] <kaak> i.e. a single debian source package that should build in to multiple binary packages for several architectures. i.e. "install this package on your desktop or raspberry pi without any hassle using these deb packages"
3878[22:07:11] <somiaj> kaak: well you'll have to compile the source package for the right arch, which requires a build enviorment for the arch.
3879[22:07:27] <Freemon> why cant i install roxterm in stretch ?
3880[22:07:34] <Freemon> dependency error
3881[22:07:40] <greycat> !debian-next
3882[22:07:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
3883[22:07:54] <kaak> somiaj: again, the compilation isn't a problem. I'm just a bit lost on how to set up the control file correctly.
3884[22:08:30] <somiaj> Freemon: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy, apt-cache policy roxterm, and the command that fails, apt-get install roxterm
3885[22:09:02] <Freemon> ok
3886[22:09:05] <somiaj> kaak: afiak you shouldn't have to do anything. On my packages I matain I do nothign special in the control and when the source package is uploaded debian compiles it for all arches. You may only have to do something if you need to limit what arches it compiles on.
3887[22:09:39] <mukmuk> hi. i want to compile a c++ project i found online. it gets build by a makefile that has the build option "-lparallax -lgl", but ld says it cant find -lgl. libGL.so is in /usr/lib/ and can be seen by `ldconfig -p | grep libGL`. what is the problem here?
3888[22:09:53] <greycat> -lGL and -lgl are not the same
3889[22:09:55] <kaak> somiaj: Ah, okay -- thanks for the input
3890[22:10:28] <mukmuk> greycat, thought so... what package is for -lgl ?
3891[22:10:29] <somiaj> kaak: there is #packaging on irc.oftc.net for more detail info on packaging.
3892[22:10:46] <kaak> I'm guessing buildd/wanna-build sends your source package off to builders for each arch -- I'm hoping to build both binary pacakges in a single call to debuild/dpkg-buildpackage
3893[22:10:48] <Freemon> N: Unable to locate package roxterm
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3895[22:11:15] <kaak> mostly because it takes awhile to build :(
3896[22:11:24] <TomTomTosch> ,v roxterm
3897[22:11:25] <judd> Package: roxterm on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.6.5-1; jessie: 2.9.5-1
3898[22:11:32] <somiaj> kaak: that might be a bit hard, since you'll have to deal with cross compilers and you may not be in a clean build enviroment. You should use something like sbuild or pbuilder
3899[22:11:33] <TomTomTosch> roxterm is not in stretch.
3900[22:12:12] <greycat> mukmuk: I honestly can't tell if it's supposed to be -lgl and it's just something I've never heard of it, or if it's supposed to be -lGL and your makefile was written by a Windows user who didn't get the case right
3901[22:12:29] <Freemon> yes
3902[22:12:50] <Freemon> when i try to install roxterm in stretch it said it wont install roxterm-common
3903[22:12:52] <Freemon> man
3904[22:13:08] <somiaj> Freemon: you won't be able to install a package that is not in stretch.
3905[22:13:12] <mukmuk> greycat, ah ok. i'll try it with -lGL. it's supposed to be a 3d project for a gaming console. so it might be a lower-/uppercase error. thanks for the help
3906[22:13:14] <Freemon> really
3907[22:13:14] <Freemon> i need it
3908[22:13:17] <somiaj> Freemon: have you ran apt-get update
3909[22:13:32] <somiaj> Freemon: well it has been removed from stretch, I would look for an alternative.
3910[22:13:57] <Freemon> hmm
3911[22:14:09] <Freemon> except kde
3912[22:14:10] <greycat> Or try using the jessie packages.
3913[22:14:13] <mukmuk> greycat, yup. works perfect
3914[22:14:14] <Freemon> other dont open in tabs new window
3915[22:14:22] <Freemon> i tried using jessie
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3917[22:14:35] <Freemon> but it wont install roxterm-common in stretch
3918[22:14:38] <rocketmagnet> has debian a gui that shows me what apps are using the most disk space ??
3919[22:14:51] <gry> synaptic does that
3920[22:14:56] <Freemon> go to disk it will show u all
3921[22:14:58] <somiaj> Freemon: replaced-url
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3924[22:15:19] <Freemon> ya...
3925[22:15:21] <somiaj> rocketmagnet: you have already been given multiple answers to that question. Please go read them.
3926[22:15:29] <rocketmagnet> sorry
3927[22:15:34] <TomTomTosch> Freemon: you can likely find it on replaced-url
3928[22:15:50] <somiaj> Freemon: packages in jessie may not be installable in stretch. You will have to matain your own package or local install for this software.
3929[22:16:12] <Freemon> hmmm .. dam
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3931[22:16:29] <somiaj> Freemon: and since upstream is dead, I would look for an alternative.
3932[22:17:00] <Freemon> hmm
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3935[22:18:12] <somiaj> Freemon: replaced-url
3936[22:18:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3941[22:18:49] <Freemon> :(
3942[22:18:58] <somiaj> there are other termials out there.
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3944[22:20:01] <teraflops> Freemon: :(? really?
3945[22:20:16] <Freemon> hmm yes
3946[22:20:37] <Freemon> gnome ass dont open in tabs for my program
3947[22:20:46] <Freemon> kde i wont install
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3950[22:21:09] <somiaj> there are other termails that support tabs, though tmux I think is much better as tabs are overrated.
3951[22:22:01] <Freemon> my software doesnt support many terminals
3952[22:22:53] <somiaj> well go fix the RC bug.
3953[22:23:01] <teraflops> use vte based one, there are like a gazillion out there, if you dislike vte, which is reasonable, use st, im not going to say *rxvt because this is not 1997 any more
3954[22:23:07] <somiaj> though sounds like your software needs to be improved if it doesn't support many termails.
3955[22:23:26] * greycat uses *rxvt
3956[22:23:29] <somiaj> though rxvt I thought was brought up to standards. Though I still use xterm
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3961[22:25:53] <teraflops> yeah is that *rxvt ignores fontconfig and it has instead a silly font fallback system, also it does really ugly hacks for the spacing
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3986[22:35:12] <rocketmagnet> gry: how can synaptic show me which applications are using the most disk space ??
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3990[22:35:42] <greycat> !ds
3991[22:35:42] <dpkg> ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at replaced-url
3992[22:36:01] <mirak> babilen, with apt-get
3993[22:36:07] <greycat> Four answers there, none of them are synaptic.
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3995[22:36:13] <b0n> im having a little strange problems with vnc. xfce wont start up over tightvncserver and ive just got a grey screen..
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3998[22:37:07] <jelly> !sort by size
3999[22:37:07] <dpkg> sort by size is probably aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge>, or see <dpigs>
4000[22:37:22] <greycat> Five! Ah ah ah.
4001[22:37:26] <jelly> ^^ shorter and existing by default
4002[22:37:32] <greycat> Lie.
4003[22:37:39] <greycat> aptitude is not a default package.
4004[22:37:47] <jelly> it should be!
4005[22:38:10] <greycat> Hmm, it does say "Standard". Wonder why I don't have it.
4006[22:38:12] <jelly> ^^ shorter and existing by default unless you intentionally omit the standard task?
4007[22:38:18] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ aptitude
4008[22:38:18] <greycat> bash: aptitude: command not found
4009[22:38:33] <jelly> probably wasn't installed at jessie time
4010[22:38:57] <greycat> Not sure if this was a jessie install or a wheezy install.
4011[22:39:15] <greycat> Home system was a jessie install and that has aptitude, but who knows.
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4023[22:44:37] <greycat> !sort by size sarge
4024[22:44:38] <dpkg> sort by size sarge is probably see man grep-dctrl (package dctrl-tools), or perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %sn", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available
4025[22:45:16] <babilen> Old code is cold
4026[22:45:45] <greycat> Not entirely dissimilar to my ds program.
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4028[22:45:50] <awal1> I made a minimal base system install several times and aptitude always included, installed by default (wheezy & jessie)
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4030[22:47:50] <awal1> ^^^ if that's what you are talking about :P
4031[22:48:32] <greycat> No hits on aptitude in dpkg*.gz or dpkg.log.1 or dpkg.log
4032[22:48:43] <greycat> So if I removed it, there's no log of my doing so. Very weird.
4033[22:48:47] <TomTomTosch> aptitude only has priority standard. you can choose to not install it in the d-i.
4034[22:49:11] <awal1> d-i ?
4035[22:49:16] <greycat> debian-installer
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4037[22:49:45] <awal1> maybe in expert mode so
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4039[22:50:01] <greycat> I didn't use expert mode, but it's possible I might have unchecked "standard" in the tasksel.
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4041[22:50:17] <sim590> I have this /etc/default/grub: replaced-url
4042[22:50:54] <greycat> Maybe I should just install it so I can continue not using it and not caring about these incomprehensible tilde-and-quote aptitude commands the bot seems to like.
4043[22:50:57] <sim590> I guess I have an issue with /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs which I didn't edit.
4044[22:51:00] <awal1> well, I always select "standard", it should be there so
4045[22:52:27] <awal1> it's too much work without "standard"
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4067[23:02:00] <sim590> Do I need /etc/crypttab if my root partition is encrypted?
4068[23:02:35] <petn-randall> sim590: yes
4069[23:02:50] <sim590> How do I get my system to be decrypted ? Do I tell /etc/default/grub with cryptedevice=UUID=... ?
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4071[23:02:56] <petn-randall> sim590: Do all the steps work by hand if you chroot into the system?
4072[23:03:23] <sim590> petn-randall: what steps?
4073[23:03:51] <petn-randall> sim590: Decrypting the LUKS partition (it is LUKS?), and mounting the root filesystem.
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4075[23:04:45] <sim590> yes it's luks
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4077[23:05:23] <ulrich> Hello
4078[23:05:42] <sim590> I'm wondering how to really accomplish those steps. I have the /etc/default/grub file I linked just earlier (replaced-url
4079[23:06:16] <sim590> I didn't touch the /etc/initramfs-tools/ directory which seems odd, idk.
4080[23:06:18] <petn-randall> sim590: Can you boot into a live system to open the LUKS container and mount the filesystem?
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4082[23:06:34] <sim590> petn-randall: I'm presently talking here from such a chroot
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4084[23:07:05] <ulrich> Hello, i am looking for help about partitioning, before i install the system
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4086[23:07:27] <petn-randall> sim590: Ah, I see. I don't think those lines in the kernel parameter line are needed. My system boot fine without.
4087[23:07:47] <petn-randall> sim590: Or is your /boot also on the LUKS?
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4090[23:08:36] <sim590> petn-randall: nope. Only root
4091[23:08:50] <ulrich> Please people, i have looked as much as i could, but did not find any help on the web
4092[23:08:59] <awal1> dpkg: tell ulrich about ask
4093[23:09:07] <sim590> I have /dev/sda1 (EFI partition), /dev/sda2 (boot partition), /dev/sda3 (encrypted container for LVM volume root).
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4098[23:11:48] <ulrich> How can i set my second drive as a storage drive on the system installation interface?
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4100[23:13:22] <ulrich> What i mean is that my, / and /home partitions are on first drive, but i want to use m a portion of my second (slow hdd) drive as swap and the rest as a storage unit
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4105[23:14:12] <ulrich> My problem is that i have to set a mount point for the "storage" partition, otherwise i get warning that drive will not be used.
4106[23:14:27] <ulrich> Is there a way to fix this?
4107[23:14:28] <petn-randall> ulrich: I personally would put the swap on the fast drive, especially if you plan on using hibernate.
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4109[23:15:03] <petn-randall> ulrich: Well, to use it you need to define a mount point, or else it won't be accessible on the system.
4110[23:15:15] <petn-randall> ulrich: You could skip it for now, but you'd have to do it by hand then later.
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4112[23:15:57] <ulrich> So, can i create a new mount point? Say, /mystorage
4113[23:16:05] <Weeezy> Can anyone offer me some advice on whether I need the bootable flag set on my F: drive? I"m setting up debian as a dual boot to windows 10. Windows is C: and Debian would be on the same physical drive, but on a different partition.
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4118[23:17:56] <petn-randall> ulrich: Sure, pick whatever you like. You might have to fix up the permissions for your standard user to access it, though.
4119[23:18:07] <petn-randall> might = will
4120[23:18:29] <petn-randall> Weeezy: Are you using legacy BIOS or UEFI for booting?
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4122[23:18:46] <Weeezy> windows boots off of UEFI
4123[23:18:57] <ulrich> Great
4124[23:19:01] <sim590> how do I tell initramfs to decrypt my / partition?
4125[23:19:06] <ulrich> Thanks a lot for the help
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4127[23:19:42] <Weeezy> the bios allows me to set legacy mode as well so I can select any drive with f9
4128[23:19:56] <petn-randall> ulrich: You're welcome!
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4135[23:20:41] <petn-randall> Weeezy: Yeah, but you shouldn't install Debian in a different mode than Windows. You won't need the boot flag, you just need grub to add an entry on the EFI system partition.
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4138[23:21:31] <Weeezy> Ok thanks petn-randall
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4140[23:21:55] <Weeezy> I'm doing the text install, I'm assuming it will option me at some point.
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4144[23:24:58] <Weeezy> It looks like I need to go back and make a swap partition. I guess I'll do that in windows to be safe.
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4147[23:26:06] <petn-randall> Weeezy: Yes, just make sure that you don't accidentally boot in legacy mode, it's best tto disable any such options in the sectup.
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4156[23:29:29] <sim590> how do I tell initramfs to decrypt my / partition? Debian documentation on this is almost inexistant.
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4159[23:31:25] <awal1> ulrich: just ask if you have a question
4160[23:32:54] <Weeezy> is the old rule, set swap drive to twice the installed memory valid for debian?
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4162[23:33:56] <buu> You probably don't need 128 gigs of swap
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4165[23:35:22] <petn-randall> sim590: The usual way is to have an unencrypted /boot, and that will contain cryptsetup to open up the rootfs and mount it.
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4167[23:36:01] <petn-randall> sim590: I'm not even sure if booting straight from an LUKS container via grub is supported, if at all upstream grub2 should have documentation for that.
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4174[23:40:14] <sim590> petn-randall: I have an unencrypted boot partition and an encrypted LVM root volume.
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4176[23:42:23] <sim590> what files do you have to configure to tell the kernel to decrypt rootfs. I get an error message with something along it cannot find myVolume volume group, but it has not yet asked for my password, so I'm guessing it has not even decrypted the rootfs hence why it tells it cannot find the LVM volume.
4177[23:43:04] <sim590> then I get dropped into an initramfs shell
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4181[23:50:33] <ulrich> @petn-randall I created swap partition on the ssd for better speed, as you suggested. However, i only need swap for a fail-safe, in case my ram floods (from other applications), because i do not want to fear of losing my work, even if that never happens. Therefore, if i disable hibernation, will my system write on swap only in the event of ram floo
4182[23:50:33] <ulrich> d, or will i get other "random" writes on it.
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4185[23:51:12] <ulrich> I am asking because i dont want to wear the life of ssd fast
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4197[23:58:10] <ChrisWi_> Hi #debian
4198[23:58:14] <teraflops> ulrich: nah youll be fine
4199[23:58:40] <ulrich> @teraflops, okay greay. Thanks :)
4200[23:58:40] <ChrisWi_> does anybody know if there is a NIC limit in qemu (wheezy) ?
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4202[23:58:50] <ulrich> great*
4203[23:59:35] <ChrisWi_> replaced-url
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