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4 [00:06:23] <karlpinc> ratrace: I'm curious how you know,
short of trying it, that hostnamectl updates files.
5 [00:08:15] <ratrace> karlpinc: I used it, and it's in
the manpage.
6 [00:08:34] <ratrace> it also does dbus calls, for who's
listening
7 [00:08:35] <jelly> it is allowed to try things and see what
they do
8 [00:09:04] <karlpinc> :)
9 [00:09:19] <jmcnaught> hostnamectl does not update /etc/hosts
though
10 [00:10:00] <jelly> you probably need a
fullyqualifieddomainnamectl for that
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12 [00:14:50] <karlpinc> Well, man hostnamectl says it updates
the fully qualified hostname as well as other hostnames. And I
don't see anything about which are made permanent across boots.
(Buster man page.) So that's why I was curious about "how
to tell".
13 [00:16:44] <ratrace> karlpinc: "The static hostname is
stored in /etc/hostname, see hostname(5) for more information."
14 [00:17:07] <ratrace> but yes, that's only the hostname.
not FQDN which is resolved via the hostname in /etc/hosts
15 [00:17:14] <ratrace> Utterly terrible linux is utterly
terrible.
16 [00:17:39] <karlpinc> ratrace: But not "The updated
static hostname is stored in /etc/hostname, see hostname(5) for more
information." :)
17 [00:18:55] * karlpinc has always liked the openbsd man pages
18 [00:19:40] <jelly> Terrian.
19 [00:21:20] <ratrace> I just realized.... OpenBSD is literally
Theocracy.
20 [00:21:38] <sney> groan
21 [00:22:27] <ratrace> tough crowd
22 [00:22:40] * karlpinc refrains from puns on "cracy"
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70 [00:45:54] <urk> I got the host name changed, but still have
issues with sudo, and get am error "user not in sudoer's
file".
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73 [00:47:53] <another> is your user in the sudoers file? or in
a group which is in there?
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75 [00:49:06] <jmcnaught> urk: if you want to use sudo then you
can add your user to the sudo group as root with this command:
"adduser myuser sudo"
76 [00:49:38] <jmcnaught> urk: make sure you're using
"su -l" to become root and not just "su",
otherwise you will not have root's environment including PATH
with /sbin
77 [00:49:41] <urk> another: I didn't see anything in
/etc/sudoers except a notice to edit sudoers.d instead Neither one
show pdq which is the user. I am currentin in /etc/sudoers.d, and
have no idea how to edit it.
78 [00:50:07] <urk> jmcnaught: i used su - instead of su -l, but
can change that.
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81 [00:50:32] <another> visudo
82 [00:50:52] <jmcnaught> visudo is unnecessary just add the
user to the sudo group
83 [00:51:01] <ratrace> urk: no need to edit sudoers file. the
%sudo group is already defined, just put your user in it, as
jmcnaught said
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87 [00:53:33] <another> sure, that's the more convenient
way of course. just putting it out there how to edit sudoers if ever
needed
88 [00:55:15] <urk> sudoers problem appears to be fixed, but it
looks like I still have a problem with the hostname
replaced-url
89 [00:55:52] <urk> The mistake I made with the adduser command
is that I didn't put sudo after it. glad JcMnaught brought this
to my attention.
90 [00:57:44] <urk> grand-conjunction shows up when typing the
command "hostname"
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92 [00:59:07] <oxek> add grand-conjuction to /etc/hosts
93 [00:59:09] <urk> nope, now sudo isn't working again, but
suspect it is because the hostname is causing confusion. It worked a
few minutes ago so not sure what is going on.
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95 [00:59:17] <urk> oxek: Its already in there
96 [00:59:39] <oxek> urk: can you paste the output of /etc/hosts
and /etc/hostname somewhere?
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98 [01:00:54] <urk> oxek:
replaced-url
99 [01:01:31] <oxek> yeah that's wrong
100 [01:02:39] <urk> oxek: how would you fix it?
101 [01:02:40] <oxek> should look like
replaced-url
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103 [01:02:46] <urk> oxek: I am reading
replaced-url
104 [01:10:01] <urk> Now I am getting the "readonly"
option is set (add! to override
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108 [01:13:34] <oxek> urk: why don't you just install that
system normally?
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111 [01:17:28] <urk> oxek: what do you mean?
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113 [01:18:48] <oxek> you ended up with a system that had
incorrect /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, likely an empty /etc/sudoers,
user wasn't part of sudo group, and who knows what else
114 [01:19:11] <oxek> plus you've been having other issues
with that installation
115 [01:19:25] <urk> oxek: I think the suoder file is ok, and
that the host name is confusing it.
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122 [01:26:33] <urk> oxek: I get an error when attempting to edit
/etc/hosts Error indicates unable to resolve host grand-conjunction.
I was trying to setup my host file so that it looks like
replaced-url
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124 [01:27:24] <urk> I used the following instructions for
changing the hostname
replaced-url
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126 [01:28:56] <urk> I am not sure what caused all this, but
suspect the hostname was left off during the setup routine.
127 [01:28:58] <oxek> urk: you can't edit that file without
root privileges
128 [01:29:04] <oxek> the hostname part is irrelevant
129 [01:29:22] <oxek> login as root, and fix the /etc/hosts
130 [01:29:36] <oxek> if you can't sudo, then sudo is broken
and you need to login as the actual root user
131 [01:29:53] <oxek> if you haven't set a password for the
actual root user, then you'll need to boot off a live cd
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133 [01:32:43] <urk> oxek: how is this
replaced-url
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135 [01:33:31] <ratrace> wait, this still ain't resolved?
136 [01:33:36] <ratrace> pun not intended lol
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138 [01:34:14] <urk> ratrace: what needs to be changed?
139 [01:36:11] <nicoz> sorry it seems normal that there is in /
etc / shadow a user named rtkit ?
140 [01:36:18] <jmcnaught> urk: why do you have a line for
google.com? You are missing a line for localhost. Make it look like
replaced-url
141 [01:36:39] <nicoz> I know so much about some hacker's
rootkit who hacked me
142 [01:36:47] <urk> jmcnaught: thanks for the clarification
143 [01:37:18] <nicoz> i use debian bullseye testing
144 [01:38:02] <oxek> nicoz: yes, it's fine
145 [01:38:28] <nicoz> it's normal oxek ?
146 [01:38:34] <oxek> yes
147 [01:38:39] <nicoz> ah ok ok ;)
148 [01:39:03] <urk> jmcnaught: ok, I have changed it
replaced-url
149 [01:39:13] <nicoz> so i just went on a bad mental trip,
apologize for the inconvenience, thanks
150 [01:39:37] <nicoz> :P
151 [01:39:37] <oxek> nicoz: no problem, it is a security related
file, so having someone else confirm it is usually a good idea
152 [01:40:02] <nicoz> ;)
153 [01:40:39] <oxek> also, for next time, bullseye support is on
OFTC not freenode. All sorts of things might be different in
bullseye and many of us don't follow it until it's stable.
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155 [01:41:15] <oxek> urk: all is good now?
156 [01:41:24] <urk>
replaced-url
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158 [01:42:11] <nicoz> when will the new release come out? in
June July?
159 [01:42:26] <oxek> nicoz: 2021, very likely
160 [01:42:46] <nicoz> yes i know oftc oxek, i have a znc in oftc
server
161 [01:43:08] <nicoz> if I'm not mistaken the channel is
debian.next
162 [01:43:23] <nicoz> debian-next
163 [01:44:34] <ratrace> nicoz: if you think rtkit is badly
named, wait until you see the "tracker miner" gnome
process :)
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166 [01:45:56] <nicoz> ratrace, i use xfce
167 [01:46:14] <nicoz> gnome usually makes me fall asleep ;P
168 [01:46:38] <nicoz> not for me, too little editable
169 [01:47:01] <ratrace> well, good :)
170 [01:47:34] <nicoz> I'm a little old fashioned
171 [01:47:36] <nicoz> :P
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177 [01:54:04] <urk> I am still having trouble installing Google
Chrome
replaced-url
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179 [01:54:37] <petn-randall> urk: The error message should
reveal the problem.
180 [01:54:42] <petn-randall> urk: The file doesn't exist.
181 [01:55:31] <nicoz> dpkg: error: cannot access archive
'google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb': No such file or
directory
182 [01:55:31] <nicoz> root@grand-conjunction:~#
183 [01:55:32] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, nicoz
184 [01:55:41] <oxek> dpkg: shut up
185 [01:55:41] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make
me. :P
186 [01:55:45] <urk> petn_randall: File is in /home/pdq/
187 [01:55:55] <urk> It exists, but something else is wrong.
188 [01:56:01] <ratrace> THE SASS from the bot!
189 [01:56:07] <oxek> urk: dpkg -i
/home/pdq/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
190 [01:56:13] <nicoz> urk you cannot install a package that does
not exist
191 [01:56:15] <nicoz> :P
192 [01:56:23] <jmcnaught> urk: when you run "su -l" it
changes directories from /home/pdq to /root (root's HOME)
193 [01:56:45] <urk> jmcnaught: what is the solution?
194 [01:57:02] <nicoz> use "pwd" for see the location
to see which folder you are in
195 [01:57:24] <urk> nicoz: I'm in root, and already knew
that
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197 [01:57:57] <nicoz> cd /home/pdq/
198 [01:58:04] <nicoz> or <oxek> urk: dpkg -i
/home/pdq/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
199 [01:58:15] <nicoz> you have the solution urk
200 [01:58:17] <nicoz> ;)
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202 [01:59:25] <nicoz> oxek you stay in oftc?
203 [01:59:51] <oxek> nicoz: I can't connect to oftc, for
reasons...
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206 [02:00:52] <nicoz> you have receive the kline?
207 [02:00:53] <nicoz> lol
208 [02:00:55] <nicoz> :P
209 [02:01:47] <kline> hello
210 [02:01:56] <nicoz> hahha
211 [02:01:58] <kline> #debian have received the kline
212 [02:02:08] <nicoz> hello kline ;)
213 [02:02:16] <kline> oxek, oftc is good people, you should be
there as well as here
214 [02:02:23] <kline> freenode collaborates with them a bunch
215 [02:02:46] <petn-randall> oxek: What are you doing in your
IRC client and what error do you get?
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218 [02:04:35] <oxek> kline: oftc is indeed good people, and i
know some opers are opers in both, but the list of bad IP addresses
matches my IP
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220 [02:05:01] <nicoz> please guys i'm nico and i'm
italian;) debian lover
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223 [02:05:30] <nicoz> oxec use a freeznc
224 [02:05:38] <nicoz> for join in oftc
225 [02:05:48] <nicoz> ##freeznc
226 [02:05:53] <nicoz> it's a simple request
227 [02:05:58] <oxek> I prefer to not have a mitm thank you
228 [02:06:10] <kline> does oftc have sasl?
229 [02:06:29] <nicoz> yes
230 [02:06:31] <urk> still getting a path error
replaced-url
231 [02:06:56] <kline> oxek, they may be able to convert your IP
range from banned completely to requiring sasl
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233 [02:07:06] <kline> if you know opers there it might be
something worth discussing
234 [02:07:30] <kline> or maybe send them a polite email
explaining the situation and asking for help
235 [02:07:33] <jmcnaught> !buster su
236 [02:07:33] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). See
replaced-url
237 [02:07:35] <kline> chances are they'll want to
238 [02:07:36] <jmcnaught> urk: ^
239 [02:07:48] <urk> yes
240 [02:08:30] <urk> What is this ldconfig not found in PATH or
not executable?
241 [02:08:46] <jmcnaught> urk: it appears that you have gone
back to using "su" without the -l
242 [02:09:04] <oxek> kline: yeah, I get killed before any real
communication even happens. SASL would help, but oftc doesn't
have sasl.
243 [02:09:13] <urk> jmcnaught: I already discovered that, and
the install is complete HOORAH!/
244 [02:09:16] <urk> !
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249 [02:10:20] <urk> jmcnaught: Why does the -l parameter have to
be used after su? I am reading the man page on what it does, but not
sure I understand the significance.
250 [02:11:01] <sney> the l is for login, it logs in as root and
applies the full environment
251 [02:11:08] <sney> without l, it just switches the uid
252 [02:11:23] <sney> (or without - by itself)
253 [02:11:29] <kline> oxek, like i said, a polite email will
probably have them tripping over themselves to help. most opers
actually like interacting with polite users with honest problems
254 [02:11:40] <urk> sney: so the login shell is the main
significance?
255 [02:11:48] <sney> yes
256 [02:11:53] <urk> thanks.
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258 [02:13:18] <nicoz> who would be the administrators here of
the channel?
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262 [02:14:52] <oxek> /msg chanserv access #debian list
263 [02:14:54] <oxek> nicoz: ^
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273 [02:23:29] <craigevil> oftc has secure key login
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276 [02:24:22] <nicoz> :P
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278 [02:24:55] <horribleprogram> oxek: weird Q
279 [02:24:56] <oxek> craigevil: happens too late in the process
though
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281 [02:25:11] <horribleprogram> oxek: do the admins of a channel
see anyone who tries to query such a list
282 [02:25:22] <oxek> horribleprogram: no
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284 [02:25:26] <horribleprogram> kk
285 [02:25:30] <oxek> not on freenode at least
286 [02:25:40] <horribleprogram> cuz I did it once and I forget
which channel but someone messaged me like... why u doing that
287 [02:25:44] <oxek> there are other networks where the
admins/ops can be alerted to such actions
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289 [02:25:46] <nicoz> so also the ircop of the freenode server
are chan operators?
290 [02:25:50] <horribleprogram> ahh kk
291 [02:26:13] <horribleprogram> this happened to be (I think)
#python but it was definitely on Freenode, so idk maybe I did
something else by accident
292 [02:26:29] <craigevil> are you using a vpn? i was blocked
before doing that
293 [02:26:33] <oxek> nicoz: ircops hang around in many channels,
and a lot of channels give ircops (staff) op privileges, for obvious
reasons
294 [02:26:38] <horribleprogram> no I don't use a VPN
295 [02:26:54] <jess> hello ircop here
296 [02:26:55] <horribleprogram> well I use a VPN, just not for
irc
297 [02:27:03] <jess> put ur hands where i can see em
298 [02:27:16] <horribleprogram> do u have an Internet warrant
299 [02:27:20] <oxek> jess: so you're alerted on
'staff', are you also alerted on 'ircop' then?
300 [02:27:24] <jess> no but i have pictures of sandcats
301 [02:27:26] <ratrace> consequences will never be the same
302 [02:27:30] <jess> oxek: you said ircops (staff)
303 [02:27:31] <horribleprogram> dang that's even better
304 [02:27:38] <oxek> oh yeah, you're right...
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306 [02:27:46] <horribleprogram> fine... search my stuff, but u
might not like what u find
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308 [02:28:24] <horribleprogram> aka thousands of pics
309 [02:28:26] <horribleprogram> of my
310 [02:28:26] <oxek> jess: can you confirm that doing `/msg
chanserv access #debian list` on freenode does not alert any admin
about anything?
311 [02:28:27] <horribleprogram> ...
312 [02:29:20] <nicoz> lol
313 [02:29:22] <horribleprogram> jess: well at the very least, is
there a setting certain channels can turn on that would alert them
on queries like that
314 [02:29:22] <craigevil> oxek, tried the webchat?
315 [02:29:25] <nicoz> scuse me jess
316 [02:29:41] <oxek> craigevil: webchats require a browser, and
browsers are ereplaced-url
317 [02:29:42] <horribleprogram> a non-invasive query
318 [02:29:50] <nicoz> we were just chatting me and oxek
319 [02:29:55] <oxek> (and require captcha)
320 [02:30:59] <jess> oxek: that doesn't alert sstaff
321 [02:31:14] <jess> horribleprogram: no
322 [02:31:22] <horribleprogram> ahh cool
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324 [02:31:47] <nicoz> vI apologize
325 [02:31:54] <nicoz> i apologize
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327 [02:32:12] <oxek> horribleprogram: you also shouldn't be
worried if you get a reply like "ChanServ (ChanServ@replaced-ip ): You are not authorized to perform this operation."
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329 [02:32:41] <horribleprogram> I can imagine it logs such a
thing tho
330 [02:33:00] <horribleprogram> like unauthorized sudo attempts
331 [02:33:09] <horribleprogram> well failed sudo attempts
332 [02:33:21] <oxek> very likely doesn't. Btw feel free to
move this convo to #freenode, since it is offtopic in this debian
support channel
333 [02:33:51] <oxek> (and more opers will see your question and
be able to give you a satisfying answer)
334 [02:34:43] <horribleprogram> mhm sorry yeah it's
off-topic
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354 [03:11:17] <urk> Is notepadqq in the repository?
Notepad's website indicates there is a Debian version, but I
don't see it on their site nor Debian. Install command using
snap doesnt work.
355 [03:11:34] <sney> !search
356 [03:11:34] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just
asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with
<aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that
own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S
/bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and
«/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for
factoids. See
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358 [03:14:57] <oxek> urk: notepadqq is not being developed
anymore, you might want to look for a replacement
359 [03:15:17] <urk> oxek: what about brackets?
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362 [03:15:46] <urk> The command on the website doesn't work
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364 [03:16:13] <oxek> I don't know Brackets
365 [03:17:14] <oxek> btw you really are on a quick road leading
to a broken debian system. Enabling ppa on debian, adding random
repos to sources.list, adding snapd, ...
366 [03:17:19] <urk> oxek: Looks like it goes end of life
September 2021
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387 [03:35:18] <urk> I am still getting sudoer errors, but
don't understand the problem. Can anyone make sense out of what
is going on?
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388 [03:36:11] <sney> log all the way out, log out of pdq, then
log back in to pdq and try your sudo command.
389 [03:36:43] <sney> also check to make sure you didn't
break your sudoers file, sometimes people remove the % in front of
sudo in /etc/sudoers thinking that it's a comment
390 [03:36:44] <Hash> What is 'group pdq' say?
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392 [03:37:12] <Hash> If you added to a group, you need to
relogin, or start another login.
393 [03:37:29] <Hash> Essentially, reload the user.
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425 [04:15:28] <uplime> hi! I'm trying to enable
buster-backports for raspbian through ansible, but the error
I'm getting indicates I need to import a signing key for it.
Does anyone know where I can find the url for that signing key?
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429 [04:18:35] <oxek> !raspbian
430 [04:18:36] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called
Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made
specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian
and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or
#raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support.
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433 [04:19:24] <uplime> wouldn't the signing key be on the
deb.debian.org server though?
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435 [04:20:06] <oxek> I have no idea where raspbian repos are
436 [04:20:18] <uplime> this isn't a raspbian repo
437 [04:20:34] <uplime> this is buster-backports on debian
438 [04:21:09] <oxek> the package debian-archive-keyring contains
all the necessary keys for debian
439 [04:23:38] <urk> Is cudatext in the repos?
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441 [04:25:03] <urk> It seems to be a good program, updated
frequently, and should be brought into the repos or backports.
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443 [04:25:13] <oxek> !search
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445 [04:25:13] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just
asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with
<aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that
own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S
/bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and
«/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for
factoids. See
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446 [04:25:13] <uplime> oxek: the debian-archive-keyring I have
installed doesn't have the buster-backport keys, but I found
them so thanks anyways
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448 [04:25:52] <urk> sney: Your suggestion about logging out and
back in fixed the sudoer problem.
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451 [04:27:25] <wald0> how i can find the -dev package for a
specific lib package?
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454 [04:27:58] <wald0> like, for libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 to know
that I need the libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev package
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497 [06:19:00] <urk> Would someone mind checking my sources.list
file to make sure I did it correctly? I received some duplication
errors, and commented out some of the lines, but hopefully
didn't comment out too much
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500 [06:24:04] <jmcnaught> urk: just copy the example from this
page, the second example if you want contrib and non-free. You do
not need both examples:
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507 [06:37:19] <urk> jmcnaught: How is this
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508 [06:38:57] <jmcnaught> urk: looks okay, does "apt
update" give you any errors?
509 [06:39:07] <urk> No
510 [06:40:43] <urk> ok. The next step is to hookup the drive
that was hooked up to the old laptop with a cord, and copy
everything over.
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517 [07:06:02] <john_rambo> Hi, Debian was already installed then
I installed GhostBSD as dual boot. GhostBSD's REFIND
automatically detected Debian & added it to the boot menu but
Debian has become unbootable. I see the error >>> modprobe:
module dm-raid not found in modules.dep ||| You are in emergency
mode ||| Cannot open access to console, the root account is locked
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519 [07:06:17] <john_rambo> How can I fix this ?
520 [07:07:42] <karlpinc> john_rambo: Dunno. Looks like the BSD
bootloader is booting Linux. And maybe the kernel parameters are not
right? (Random guess.)
521 [07:07:59] <awal1> dpkg: repair grub
522 [07:07:59] <dpkg> awal1: I'm not sure, is it larger than
a breadbox?
523 [07:08:41] <karlpinc> john_rambo: So, figure out what
bootloader you want to use. Then use it to boot both OSs, or
chainload the other bootloader.
524 [07:10:11] <john_rambo> karlpinc, GhostBSD's rEFInd has
done one thing right. It has detected Debian and added it to the
menu but Debian refuses to boot
525 [07:10:29] <john_rambo> karlpinc, I am totally ok with rEFInd
526 [07:12:16] <awal1> dpk: fixmbr
527 [07:12:25] <awal1> dpkg: fixmbr
528 [07:12:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
529 [07:13:27] <john_rambo> Okay ... I will try that ... Thanks
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531 [07:19:10] <TheBigK> nice. it was my usenet provider...
download is now as fast as usual... thanks karlpinc
532 [07:19:26] <TheBigK> problems that disappear by itself are
the best problems :)
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536 [07:23:37] <ectospasm> No, they're the worst. You never
know what fixed it, so it ain't fixed.
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540 [07:26:00] <rockworld> hi everyone, I have a security issue
so Im wondering what to do cause I have a random domain pointing to
my dedicated server
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542 [07:27:11] <ectospasm> rockworld: What do you
mean,"random domain pointing to your dedicated server?"
543 [07:27:17] <rockworld> if anyone can give me a tips
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545 [07:27:55] <ectospasm> You mean some random domain has an A
or AAAA record for your VPS?
546 [07:28:30] <rockworld> I mean I have 4 website on hosted on
my dedicated server using apache2
547 [07:28:59] <rockworld> and when I sent a domain lookup I
found that there is a random domain that I dont know
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549 [07:29:11] <rockworld> sorry for my bad english im french :)
550 [07:29:14] <ectospasm> How did you do your domain lookup?
551 [07:29:22] <ectospasm> dig, nslookup, etc?
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553 [07:30:18] <rockworld> mxlookup
554 [07:30:24] <rockworld> thats a website
555 [07:30:38] <rockworld> but I typed the url
556 [07:30:48] <rockworld> and I see the domain is pointing to
one of my url
557 [07:30:51] <ectospasm> mxlookup seems specific to mail
servers.
558 [07:31:08] <karlpinc> rockworld: There's nothing you can
do, other than configure your webserver to not answer requests to
domains other than yours.
559 [07:31:15] <rockworld> sorry
replaced-url
560 [07:31:32] <karlpinc> rockworld: Or email server or whatever.
561 [07:31:44] <karlpinc> rockworld: Anybody can point any domain
they own to any IP address.
562 [07:32:00] <ectospasm> Do you have a local Linux terminal you
can use? I'd be wary of any web tools like that.
563 [07:32:29] <rockworld> yes I know :p I was wondering if there
was a way to prevent that leakers to get any info from my website
564 [07:33:23] <rockworld> karlpink: any good apache conf idea
for that?
565 [07:33:36] <ectospasm> If you know the bogus domain you could
set up an SNI for that bad domain, make sure it doesn't do
anything.
566 [07:33:37] <rockworld> yes I have my terminal
567 [07:33:42] <rockworld> but Im not a expert
568 [07:33:47] <karlpinc> rockworld: There's no way to tell
how an incoming connection got your IP address, except for http
requests that pass-in the domain they're trying to reach.
569 [07:33:56] <rockworld> I still learn a lot everyday
570 [07:34:50] <rockworld> we know internet in these times so
much bad request or attack
571 [07:34:52] <ectospasm> you can install bind-utils and use
`dig <domain>` to see what nameserver
572 [07:35:04] <ectospasm> ...is serving that domain.
573 [07:35:19] <karlpinc> ectospasm: To what end?
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575 [07:36:00] <ectospasm> Maybe contact the abuse address for
the domain
576 [07:36:10] <ectospasm> Or the DNS server
577 [07:36:20] <rockworld> I was thinking about contacting the
abuse address
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580 [07:36:47] <rockworld> its not the main domain its just a
cname
581 [07:37:17] <rockworld> this is the domain xanga.net
582 [07:37:30] <rockworld> but the cname its something werid
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584 [07:37:41] <karlpinc> ectospasm: Unless it's a mistake,
in which case you wonder why the domain owner hasn't figured
out that their IP numbers are not accessed, writing the abuse
address will reach the very domain owner that's causing
trouble.
585 [07:38:16] <rockworld> weird sorry
586 [07:38:27] <ectospasm> You could reach the abuse address of
the DNS server that has the bogus CNAME. Not much else rockworld can
do.
587 [07:39:37] <rockworld> do you think they can steal
information like that
588 [07:39:46] <ectospasm> I don't believe so, no.
589 [07:39:59] <rockworld> I mean password and stuff without ssl
590 [07:40:12] <ectospasm> you connect to your sites using
TLS/SSL?
591 [07:40:25] <rockworld> some of them are not configured yet
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593 [07:41:02] <ectospasm> As long as you don't transmit
passwords to your sites in cleartext (HTTP instead of HTTPS), you
should be OK.
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595 [07:42:17] <rockworld> so I think I should just create a
script in apache to fix this
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597 [07:42:35] <rockworld> but I dont know what change I need to
do in my configuration
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599 [07:44:13] <karlpinc> rockworld: You don't use
<VirtualHost *>, but instead name your domain expclictly. And
refuse http 1.0 requests. IIRC.
600 [07:44:19] <ectospasm> I haven't used apache in a long
time, but you could set up a separate site/SNI file for the bogus
doamin, display a 404 or a 5xx or something when you load the bogus
domain in a web browser.
601 [07:45:05] <ectospasm> So I think that would be a
<VirtualHost xanga.net> or something similar.
602 [07:45:30] <rockworld> I should not have this configuration
if I find that thing that means Im hacked
603 [07:45:37] <rockworld> lolll
604 [07:45:44] <karlpinc> Dunno. Sounds like making your server
do extra work to put up a custom 404 page instead of just not
recognizing the request.
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606 [07:48:04] <ectospasm> I'm not sure if apache would
serve a default website if the requested domain doesn't match
one of the SNI virtual hosts.
607 [07:48:35] <ectospasm> I think it can be configured to, but I
haven't played with apache in so long.
608 [07:50:48] <rockworld> I think I should remove the default
conf from /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ?
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611 [07:53:21] <rockworld> this files I mean
612 [07:53:22] <rockworld> xanga.net
613 [07:53:27] <rockworld> oups nah sorry
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615 [07:53:42] <rockworld> 000-default.conf
616 [07:54:36] <karlpinc> rockworld: Does not matter what's
in sites-available, what matters is what's in sites-enabled.
617 [07:54:56] <rockworld> true you are right
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619 [07:56:02] <rockworld> I use something like <VirtualHost
mydomain.com:80>
620 [07:56:09] <rockworld> in every sites configuration
621 [07:56:45] <karlpinc> rockworld: Then requests to another
domain will get a 404.
622 [07:56:55] <karlpinc> (Unless they are http 1.0)
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624 [07:57:48] <karlpinc> If I'm remembering my http.
625 [07:58:12] <rockworld> how can I refuse http 1.0 requests
626 [07:58:22] <rockworld> I can see which sites its pointing too
627 [07:58:59] <rockworld> but that was just a random template I
used not sure which version of http they use
628 [07:59:47] <rockworld> its been a while I didnt played in
that too Im lost :p
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638 [08:21:57] <McErroneous> How do i use the Tags (use::monitor)
with "apt-cache search <Packetname>"
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641 [08:24:21] <themill> "debtags search" (or use
aptitude)
642 [08:27:05] <McErroneous> themill: thank you..
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700 [10:21:23] <tomboy64> i'm currently on an (ancient)
debian 9 and trying to find the tool xfs_check
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702 [10:21:43] <tomboy64> google says it's supposed to be in
xfsprogs
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704 [10:21:51] <tomboy64> but all i can find is xfs_ncheck there
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710 [10:26:11] <ratrace> tomboy64: xfs_ncheck is in xfsprogs
711 [10:26:21] <ratrace> that's tall tehere is for xfs +
check in packages
712 [10:26:26] <ratrace> *all *there
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715 [10:29:46] <tomboy64> yeah. after installing man it referred
me to xfs_repair for that particular debian version
716 [10:30:07] <tomboy64> man, i'll celebrate when i finally
got this migrated to a newer debian
717 [10:31:22] <McErroneous> I am wondering if "apt-get
--assume-yes" is working , man-pages says it would reply YES,
to any prompt..., but i am still prompted... . "After this
operation xxxxxkb additional diskspace will be used, Do you want to
continue [Y/n]
718 [10:33:44] <McErroneous> hmmm..., maybe iam wrong...,
719 [10:33:50] <McErroneous> i did a mistake..
720 [10:33:53] <McErroneous> sorry
721 [10:34:31] <McErroneous> nvm..
722 [10:35:09] <tomboy64> btw, thanks for checking ratrace :)
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743 [10:58:52] <codeworm> My python setup got messed up. I need
some help. I can't solve the problem at #python. (Debian
packaging etc)
744 [11:00:47] <McErroneous> themill: How would i search for all
packages that have a "implemented-in::perl" tag , please..
?
745 [11:01:55] <McErroneous> or "implemented-in::c"...
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747 [11:03:46] <McErroneous> tomboy64: i have xfs_check
installed.., i found it by xfs_<tab-completion>..., i used xfs
as default filesystem..
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757 [11:19:35] <EdePopede> McErroneous: debtags search
'$tag1 && $tag2 && ....' ## is the general
syntax to not be flooded ;)
758 [11:20:05] <EdePopede> you may not want to use only
somehthing as broad as "implemented-in::..."
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760 [11:22:17] <ratrace> !tell codeworm about ask
761 [11:23:18] <codeworm> Hey
762 [11:23:41] <codeworm> Well, I'm not using Debian
specifically. It is Debian-based though. I'm using Lubuntu.
763 [11:24:00] <codeworm> Which to my knowledge is directly based
on Debian right now.
764 [11:24:08] <nkuttler> !lubuntu
765 [11:24:08] <dpkg> Lubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu>
with <LXDE>. It is not supported in #debian.
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766 [11:24:15] <EdePopede> !based on
767 [11:24:16] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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770 [11:24:41] <EdePopede> that's the poin, $someone_else
may gave done arbitrary changes
771 [11:24:41] <codeworm> Well, it's a Debian problem though
772 [11:24:44] <ratrace> it's not
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774 [11:24:56] <McErroneous> EdePopede: do i need to do a
"debtag -update" or similar.., because "debtag search
<expression> only shows me tags,, , but no packages...
775 [11:25:00] <EdePopede> codeworm: did you also have the same
problem on debian?
776 [11:25:38] <codeworm> EdePopede: Never tried that really. But
Debian has special package rules for Python that exists on this
Lubuntu system.
777 [11:26:17] <EdePopede> McErroneous: did you use actual tags?
just ran it without tags, seems to list ALL packages it know aboug
:D
778 [11:26:35] <ratrace> codeworm: please read the !based on
factoid EdePopede showed above, especially the part about derivative
modifications we don't know about.
779 [11:26:49] <ratrace> codeworm: but you can describe your
problem and we'll see if that exists on debian
780 [11:26:54] <EdePopede> codeworm: may me the reason, may be
that it's what Lubuntu does in a different way
781 [11:27:16] <codeworm> I understand
782 [11:27:24] <codeworm> but I need some pointers really
783 [11:27:42] <codeworm> My problem is that I have messed up the
pip package manager somehow
784 [11:27:46] <nkuttler> codeworm: /msg alis list *lubuntu*
785 [11:28:40] <ratrace> codeworm: ran pip as root?
786 [11:28:53] <EdePopede> codeworm: if something is TOTALLY
messed up and it's not crucial i usually purge everything,
check that nothing is left (including configs in $HOME) and then
restart
787 [11:29:23] <codeworm> EdePopede: That's what I need to
know. Can I safely remove virtualenv directories from $HOME?
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791 [11:30:21] <codeworm> To my knowledge, it is safe to remove.
Although I don't understand why it is messed up, because I have
removed any $HOME virtualenv directories from PATH
792 [11:30:36] <EdePopede> codeworm: don't remove, rename.
(includes to move them away into a backup directory)
793 [11:31:00] <ratrace> codeworm: ran pip as root?
794 [11:31:26] <codeworm> Well, I've done so many things
that I'm not even sure if the setup will ever get in working
shape again.
795 [11:31:37] <codeworm> ratrace: Yeah, I think so.
796 [11:31:44] <codeworm> I've also tried to remove pip and
reinstall it.
797 [11:31:54] <EdePopede> i once tried such an environment, may
even have been pip. after installation and login i had A LOT of new
entries in my env and some directory belonging to it in my HOME.
which means it wasn't there before, so it got created at login
or first run.
798 [11:31:57] <codeworm> Verified it got installed in
/usr/local/bin
799 [11:32:28] <EdePopede> at least they don't mess with
/usr/bin
800 [11:32:32] <codeworm> well, I tried to learn Python somewhere
in 2019
801 [11:32:41] <codeworm> and I got it messed up
802 [11:32:46] <codeworm> then I gave up on it
803 [11:33:02] <codeworm> My system is pretty current. I've
just ran upgrade.
804 [11:33:30] <codeworm> Well, I believe the best move here is
to do a fresh install
805 [11:33:36] <codeworm> Maybe install Debian
806 [11:33:37] <ratrace> codeworm: if you ran pip as root, you
probably borked some/many/all your python packages. there's no
clear answer how to fix that except to reinstall ALL python packages
on the system
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808 [11:34:06] <codeworm> ratrace: I think I've tried to
update pip or something
809 [11:34:08] <ratrace> virtualenvs can be safely deleted or
removed, they're little "container" like
encapsulations and cannot bork the system. if pip is broken inside
one, remove it, rebuilt it
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811 [11:34:23] <ratrace> *rebuild
812 [11:34:27] <codeworm> I don't really know where pip is
running from
813 [11:34:33] <ratrace> `which pip`
814 [11:34:51] <codeworm> I don't think this really shows
where it is running from, does it?
815 [11:35:04] <codeworm> /usr/local/bin/pip
816 [11:35:05] <ratrace> it does
817 [11:35:16] <codeworm> Well, it doesn't seem to work with
that version of pip
818 [11:35:30] <codeworm> Because I've just updated it
819 [11:35:35] <codeworm> and it still gives me problems
820 [11:35:38] <ratrace> which relies on PATH. so depending on
what contents and precedences are in PATH at any given moment (Eg,
root vs unpriv user), it will show which one runs
821 [11:35:54] <ratrace> /usr/local/bin is not a path Debian
would ever choose. also not a virtualenv. guess that's
something specific to lubuntu
822 [11:35:58] <codeworm> I have a default PATH variable
823 [11:36:06] <codeworm> only addition to it is my ~/bin
824 [11:36:15] <codeworm> that is where I place my own scripts
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826 [11:36:26] <codeworm> I have removed anything from Python
827 [11:36:34] <codeworm> s/anything/everything/
828 [11:36:54] <codeworm> I mean from the PATH variable
829 [11:38:17] <codeworm> I've also messed up my apache
setup due to Debian special config structure.
830 [11:38:36] <codeworm> Is there any document explaining all
this admin/configuration related changes on the Debian system?
831 [11:38:42] <ratrace> codeworm: "debian special config
structure"?
832 [11:38:54] <codeworm> I've only get to learn about a
problem just after I fuc*k up.
833 [11:39:14] <codeworm> Yeah the sites-available, sites-enabled
etc
834 [11:39:22] <codeworm> for the virtual hosts
835 [11:39:33] <codeworm> Right now I get permission denied
836 [11:39:37] <codeworm> for every request
837 [11:39:44] <codeworm> but well, that's not the problem
really
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839 [11:39:51] <ratrace> well that's just a convention.
you're NOT obliged to use that pattern
840 [11:40:06] <codeworm> Well, I tried to use it and I read a
lot about it.
841 [11:40:12] <ratrace> you can remove includes in the main
httpd.conf or whatsitcalled, and include from wherever you want
842 [11:40:17] <codeworm> I've also followed a lengthy
tutorial on digitalocean
843 [11:40:27] <codeworm> and well, I messed that up as well
844 [11:41:12] <ratrace> Welp... gotta solve one problem at a
time. for pip, if it runs from /usr/local/... it's likely you
have some locally custom setup unless lubuntu installs there. Debian
packages NEVER install under /usr/local
845 [11:41:19] <codeworm> Is there any document we can actually
read about this configuration differences?
846 [11:41:35] <ratrace> meaning, if that was DEbian, you could
remove it safely and use system pip ... actually ... not use pip
OUTSIDE of a venv AT ALL.
847 [11:41:48] <codeworm> I mean something central, listing all
the services or something
848 [11:41:53] <ratrace> especially not as root, and not as
unpriv user either. pip inside virtualenvs ONLY, for cleanest
system.
849 [11:42:13] <codeworm> How do I know that beforehand?
850 [11:42:16] <ratrace> codeworm: configuration differences
between what?
851 [11:42:25] <codeworm> Between Debian and other distros
852 [11:42:32] <ratrace> codeworm: I don't know. :) on
FreeBSD we patched pip so it refuses to run as root
853 [11:42:39] <codeworm> You only get to know a problem exists
when it's too late.
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855 [11:42:51] <codeworm> Cool stuff
856 [11:42:52] <ratrace> codeworm: you should ask that specific
distro for what differences they did. we don't know. we
don't CARE . :)
857 [11:42:56] <codeworm> FreeBSD is the best
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859 [11:43:15] <ratrace> FreeBSD sucks hairy donkey balls, but
that pip patch was awesome, yes. :)
860 [11:43:32] <ratrace> should check if that patch is in Debian
too, and if not, file a PR
861 [11:43:45] <codeworm> FreeBSD is awesome
862 [11:43:50] <codeworm> runs forever
863 [11:44:04] <codeworm> I believe you can rm -rf / and it may
still run somehow :p
864 [11:44:13] <ratrace> I used to be FreeBSD ports committer and
maintainer. it sucks :)
865 [11:44:53] <codeworm> I would be interested in your opinion.
But that's off-topic. If you want we can talk in private.
866 [11:45:10] <ratrace> nah, but yeh, 'tis offtopic :)
867 [11:46:17] <codeworm> Nobody seems to like talking privately
huh? ;p
868 [11:46:24] <codeworm> Not sure why is that
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870 [11:48:44] <wintersky> what makes you so happy
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872 [11:54:23] <codeworm> So ratrace, in FreeBSD (I haven't
used it years) works the same way Debian does for Python?
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875 [11:55:07] <codeworm> i.e using environments instead of the
main python packages?
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878 [11:56:11] <ratrace> codeworm: that part is actually distro
and OS agnostic. if there are system packages (installed by
distro's packaging system), then a rogue pip run will clobber
that if it can write there, and it can if it runs as root
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880 [11:57:27] <ratrace> the problem is collision of package
managers, and the fact that python installs typically into
system's /usr[/local]/lib/python*
881 [11:57:35] <codeworm> Not sure what I've done in 2019
882 [11:57:44] <codeworm> But I think I've tried to update
pip for some reason
883 [11:58:39] <codeworm> So, it is the recommended practice to
use environment in all distros and operating systems.
884 [11:58:49] <codeworm> environments*
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886 [11:59:03] <codeworm> not something that happens specifically
in Debian
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888 [11:59:23] <codeworm> Well, you learn this stuff after you
get everything messed up.
889 [11:59:32] <codeworm> I guess that's the way it is.
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891 [12:00:02] <codeworm> Then you fear to update anything.
892 [12:00:23] <codeworm> or maybe fear to touch anything at all.
893 [12:01:58] <codeworm> Then maybe you try Arch Linux, you keep
the 'no update' strategy and you f*ck up there as well.
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895 [12:03:02] <codeworm> Only FreeBSD worked with the no update
strategy lol.
896 [12:03:29] <ratrace> the same issue would've happen on
FreeBSD before the pip patch
897 [12:04:07] <ratrace> infact .... I don't recall if it
refused or just complained with a big warning. I think it was teh
latter.
898 [12:05:00] <codeworm> I seriously try to learn as much as I
can. I go by the documentation, the man pages... every time
something gets messed up.
899 [12:05:12] <codeworm> Not sure why it happens. Probably due
to my bad luck or something.
900 [12:05:55] <codeworm> I've also had a big fight with
setting up node.js as well.
901 [12:06:06] <codeworm> oh man. what a disaster.
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903 [12:06:28] <codeworm> not really sure how I finally got it
configured
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905 [12:06:50] <codeworm> and it works like magic now. Hopefully
it will stay that way for a while.
906 [12:06:52] <ratrace> many things are unobvious and counter
intuitive in *NIX world. many things are POLA violations.
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911 [12:08:07] <codeworm> What does POLA stand for?
912 [12:08:08] <ratrace> despite ubuntu and friends trying to
bring linux to your nearby grandma, Linux IS and will always be, by
developers, for developers, an expert system.
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914 [12:08:13] <ratrace> Principle of Least Astonishment
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916 [12:08:47] <codeworm> I'm a developer as well. Not a
very expert one.
917 [12:08:51] <codeworm> but I write code
918 [12:09:17] <codeworm> I also use Linux for 13 years now
919 [12:09:24] <codeworm> Yet I understand shit
920 [12:09:30] <codeworm> and I've tried to learn it
921 [12:09:40] <codeworm> maybe not tried much, who knows
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923 [12:10:27] <codeworm> maybe I have to try a little bit harder
from now on.
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939 [13:03:10] <McErroneous> i am looking for some packs of
Midi-files i could download using wget...,
940 [13:03:36] <McErroneous> please feel free to message me...
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979 [13:58:53] <useretail> hi, is there a way to execute bash
script after specific package gets upgraded via apt upgrade
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985 [14:02:31] <abrotman> useretail: in a package you're
creating?
986 [14:03:05] <useretail> abrotman, no it's from 3rd party
repo
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988 [14:06:04] <useretail> i know that i can do it in a package
with post script, but how can one do it when getting from 3rd party
repo
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990 [14:07:39] <jelly> useretail, a DPkg::Post-Invoke hook in
apt.conf would get run after _every_ dpkg installation
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993 [14:08:36] <jelly> so presumably there's a way to check
there which package was being managed and whether it was being
installed or upgraded, and act only in that case
994 [14:08:46] <jelly> s/presumably/maybe/
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996 [14:09:04] <jelly> evil peer!
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1002 [14:10:02] <useretail> jelly, is it valid when upgrading via
apt as well?
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1016 [14:24:13] <useretail> looks like i found solution here:
replaced-url
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1025 [14:28:58] <ratrace> useretail: or even simpler, wrap your
apt-get commands. apt-get update; OUT=$( apt-get -s upgrade ) ; grep
your package name from $OUT ; proceed with apt-upgrade
(interactively or not) ; if your package was found in two steps
earlier: do your desired action
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1029 [14:33:59] <useretail> ratrace, thanks, but this might fail
if a package needs re-config
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1032 [14:34:33] <ratrace> useretail: why would it?
1033 [14:34:53] <ratrace> this can run perfectly fine in a
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1034 [14:35:30] <useretail> ok, i'll try it
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1040 [14:41:08] <abrotman> maybe we should have asked which
package it is, might have been a better way
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1051 [14:50:25] <McErroneous> may i post an offtopic question ?
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1053 [14:50:32] <ratrace> nope.
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1055 [14:52:06] <jelly> those askubuntu answers are very nice,
thanks. Looks like version 2 / version 3 dpkg hooks provide enough
info to run stuff only on specific package configure step
1056 [14:53:49] <jelly> McErroneous, if it's a tech support
question, we can try to point you to a better place to find answers
1057 [14:54:11] <jelly> if it's not tech support, we have
#debian-offtopic
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1067 [15:04:04] <shtrb> Is there a way to use my GPU to encode
video with ffmpeg to vp9 (I have the propitiate nvidia packages
installed)
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1069 [15:04:49] <ratrace> shtrb: maybe?
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1070 [15:05:13] * shtrb facepalm
1071 [15:05:17] <shtrb> thanks ratrace as usual
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1073 [15:06:00] <shtrb> I was trying ffmpeg -hwaccel_device 0
-hwaccel cuvid -i file.MOV -c:v vp9
1074 [15:06:38] <lt> inastalled and apt upgrade gave me this kind
of initramfs-tools warning ..
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1076 [15:07:11] <jelly> nvidia does vdpau not vaapi
1077 [15:07:11] <ratrace> shtrb: btw.... you actually want VDPAU
for nvidia. nvidia + VAAPI is a nope still
1078 [15:08:30] <jelly> shtrb, I think they also have a separate
API for encoding, keyword nvenc
1079 [15:08:45] <jelly> vdpau is decoding and displaying
1080 [15:08:57] <ratrace> good point
1081 [15:09:23] <McErroneous> is there a way in debian-APT to
always install the documentation for packet automatically , along
with the packets specified by "apt-get install
<packetname>" ?
1082 [15:09:26] <shtrb> thanks jelly
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1084 [15:10:05] <jelly>
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1085 [15:10:18] <ratrace> lt: you might need to install
firmware-misc-nonfree, for intel gpu firmware
1086 [15:10:19] <jelly> ,v ffmpeg
1087 [15:10:21] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- stretch:
7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; buster:
7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
7:4.3.2-0+deb11u1; sid: 7:4.3.2-0+deb11u1; experimental: 7:4.4-1;
stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia:
10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 10:4.3.2-dmo4;
sid-multimedia: 10:4.3.2-dmo4
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1089 [15:10:39] <jelly> ^ one of the reasons deb-multimedia might
still be useful
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1092 [15:11:41] <shtrb> I think I also needed the sdk for nvenc
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1113 [15:24:25] <lt> ty ratrace
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1115 [15:25:38] <jelly> shtrb, nvidia's own docs say nothing
about VP9 ENcoding, only decoding
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1116 [15:25:54] <shtrb> oh isn't that great
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1118 [15:25:55] <shtrb> thanks
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1129 [15:43:08] <hejux> see if i have a program listening at 0:80,
is there a way to brute force removing the listening?
1130 [15:43:33] <cws> hejux: ss -plnt will just tell you what
process is listening on that port.
1131 [15:43:59] <shtrb> hejux, you can kill the process if that is
what you like
1132 [15:44:00] <hejux> yeah , nginx, how can i force remove the
listening?
1133 [15:44:07] <hejux> not from the program?
1134 [15:44:10] <cws> hejux: You would stop nginx.
1135 [15:44:14] <cws> Obviously.
1136 [15:44:21] <hejux> is there other way?
1137 [15:44:21] <shtrb> hejux, stop nginx and edit the listening
ports
1138 [15:44:24] <cws> No.
1139 [15:44:32] <cws> If nginx is bound to the port, stop nginx.
1140 [15:44:33] <shtrb> yes, to change the listening port of nginx
1141 [15:44:48] <cws> shtrb: Which requires stopping/restarting
nginx.
1142 [15:45:06] <hejux> yeah, i know i could sed
's/80/81/g' nginx.conf and reload nginx
1143 [15:45:08] <shtrb> cws: "<shtrb> hejux, stop nginx
and edit the listening ports"
1144 [15:45:16] <cws> hejux: And that's how you'd do it,
up.
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1146 [15:45:18] <cws> yup.
1147 [15:45:21] <hejux> but i wonder if there is a better way
1148 [15:45:24] <cws> No.
1149 [15:45:27] <cws> That's how you do it.
1150 [15:45:31] <cws> shtrb: Missed that, sorry.
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1153 [15:46:12] <shtrb> That is the better way, you shouldn't
be running two apps needing the same port on ALL ips, you could also
set nginx to listen to a specific ip and your app to listen on a
different ip
1154 [15:46:23] <hejux> do not need to stop, just edit and reload
1155 [15:46:26] <shtrb> cws, all is good
1156 [15:47:00] <cws> hejux: That stops and restarts nginx, as we
said previously.
1157 [15:47:30] <hejux> so, i was tring to reinvent certbot
standalone.
1158 [15:47:44] <cws> Which is silly, because it already exists,
and also has an nginx plugin.
1159 [15:47:55] <hejux> pre-hook, remove the 80 listening ,
post-hook restore the 80
1160 [15:48:12] <hejux> so i don't have down times on 443
1161 [15:48:35] <cws> See what I just said.
1162 [15:48:45] <cws> certbot already has an nginx plugin.
1163 [15:50:18] <hejux> ok
1164 [15:50:30] <McErroneous> may i install gnu-fdisk...,
additionally to the default linux fdisk onto the hdd, or would
"apt-get install gnu-fdisk" replace the older linux fdisk
? would i notice any difference using it ?
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1169 [15:55:57] <McErroneous> !date
1170 [15:55:57] <dpkg> The current date is 2021.04.25 13:55:57
(UTC of course, this is *NIX)
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1192 [16:26:06] <jelly> McErroneous, is gnu fdisk even packaged at
all?
1193 [16:26:34] <jelly> McErroneous, removed from debian in 2017
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1205 [16:43:44] <hejux> cws: i did it
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1206 [16:44:02] <hejux> works fine, without stoping nginx:443
1207 [16:44:12] <cws> hejux: Okay. The certbot nginx plugin
already does that.
1208 [16:44:22] <cws> Which was said multiple times.
1209 [16:45:03] <hejux> really? i don't know how the plugin
works
1210 [16:45:12] <hejux> no readme about the plugin
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1257 [17:45:33] <bancroft> if I want to cache packages locally, so
that when I run ansible I grab them from a closer machine and not
bother the mirrors. How would I do this? where do I start?
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1265 [17:51:58] <john_rambo> Is the virtualbox guest additions
available in repos ? Can I install it from the repos instead of
installing it externally from VirtualBox?
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1267 [17:54:16] <nkuttler> john_rambo: apt search guest additions
1268 [17:54:20] <nkuttler> !tell john_rambo about search
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1271 [17:57:09] <ratrace> bancroft: why not run an apt cacher
instead?
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1274 [17:58:23] <bancroft> ratrace: I dont know what that is
besides what I can guess from the name
1275 [17:59:02] <ratrace> bancroft:
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1276 [17:59:12] <ratrace> basically, apt proxy with a cache
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1280 [18:01:10] <fakuve> Hi Peoples , you know how to activate the
sharing clipboard functionality with `KVM` As far as I know I have
to install in the guest `apt install spice-client-gtk`
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1282 [18:01:23] <fakuve> but I remember I needed to start the
service somehow
1283 [18:01:41] <fakuve> I cant recall . Maybe initiating it
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1301 [18:20:05] <jhutchins> !local mirror
1302 [18:20:15] <jhutchins> Hm...
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1319 [18:49:05] <McErroneous> Any ideas on how to cause an
external usb-hdd, to appear again ? blkid , doesnt show it
anymore... any hints ?
1320 [18:49:22] <McErroneous> dont want to reboot..
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1326 [18:56:17] <cosimone> anyone know if this was already
backported?
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1327 [18:56:18] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1375 [19:58:32] <McErroneous> Hi.., using Debian Squeeze.., and i
need to install mkisofs...,, , but it appears that it would not be
in the repo..., , any recommendation on where to get it , and how to
install it ?
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1377 [19:59:57] <sney> !squeeze sources.list
1378 [19:59:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
1379 [20:00:00] <oxek> McErroneous: any reason to use that
compared to xorriso?
1380 [20:00:31] <oxek> cosimone: not backported yet.
1381 [20:00:51] <McErroneous> oxek: not sure.., thanks for
pointing me to xorriso.., i read about mkisofs...,
1382 [20:00:52] <oxek> mpv in general would be a nice candidate
for backports overall, maybe try contacting the debian maintainer?
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1384 [20:01:41] <oxek> McErroneous: xorrisofs is the exact command
you're looking for, from the xorriso package
1385 [20:01:54] <oxek> "xorrisofs - Emulation of ISO 9660
program mkisofs by program xorriso"
1386 [20:02:01] <sney> it doesn't look like xorriso is in
squeeze.
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1389 [20:02:18] <oxek> oh my bad then
1390 [20:02:23] <oxek> squeeze is a bit too old
1391 [20:02:30] <oxek> well, more than a bit
1392 [20:02:40] <sney> indeed. hopefully making an iso is part of
the plan to upgrade
1393 [20:03:36] <sney> McErroneous: the message from dpkg above
will help you configure sources.list to install packages on squeeze,
then you can install whatever you need
1394 [20:04:41] <McErroneous> it is available in Squeeze..
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1403 [20:16:08] <forgotmynick> hello. on debian 10, i have
multiple crons running for multiple users every minute. This causes
a lot of entries like CRON[28341]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
closed for user ... how do I stop these?
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1411 [20:20:20] <sn00p> how do you remove drm from firefox,it
keeps crashing every time I play a video
1412 [20:20:38] <abrotman> forgotmynick: how do you end cron from
being logged? did you check /etc/rsyslog.conf
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1414 [20:23:25] <cosimone> oxek: ok, i see
1415 [20:24:14] <sn00p> how do I upgrade to debian 11?
1416 [20:24:38] <oxek> sn00p: by asking in #debian-next on the
OFTC IRC network
1417 [20:24:55] <oxek> debian 11 is not released as stable yet
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1424 [20:29:50] <forgotmynick> in rsyslog.conf, why do some paths
begin with /var... and some with a hyphen -/var?
1425 [20:30:16] <forgotmynick> never mind
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1450 [20:54:44] <LameName123> Hello! I am struggling with davmail
at the moment. It says it can't find "libawt_xawt.so"
which should be installed as part of the openjdk-11-jre-headless
package but the file isn't there. I tried reinstalling it and
installing this package on different vms but the file is missing
there as well. It was working before the last openjdk-11 security
update afaik. Does anybody know how I could fix this issue?
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1457 [21:06:55] <dob1> ,v notmuch
1458 [21:06:56] <judd> Package: notmuch on amd64 -- jessie:
0.18.2-1; stretch: 0.23.7-3; stretch-backports: 0.28.1-1~bpo9+1;
buster: 0.28.4-1; buster-backports: 0.31.2-3~bpo10+2; bullseye:
0.31.4-1; sid: 0.31.4-1; experimental: 0.32~rc1-1
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1478 [21:35:08] <karlpinc> LameName123: apt-file says the file is
in openjdk-11-jre-headless... openjdk-11-jre-headless:
/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64/lib/libawt_xawt.so
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1480 [21:36:51] <LameName123> karlpinc, yeah I know. I found out
that it was part of this package by using apt-file. But
openjdk-11-jre-headless is installed and the file is still missing
and I don't know why... It doesn't seem to matter where I
install it, the file is still missing even tho it should be there.
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1485 [21:39:32] <LameName123> I'd highly appreciate it, if
somebody installed this package and told me if this file gets
installed or not. I'm really running out of ideas now.
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1487 [21:42:09] <sney> LameName123: there's a mention of the
libawt_xawt file being moved in the changelog,
replaced-url
1488 [21:44:57] <sney> and yep, just installed that package on a
buster vm and libawt_xawt.so is indeed missing, along with
libjawt.so as mentioned in the changelog entry
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1490 [21:45:34] <craigevil> LastName123, it is installed here,
/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-arm64/lib/libawt_xawt.so, but I am on
sid
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1492 [21:45:59] <LameName123> sney, thank you very much for your
help! I am using buster as well. Do you have any idea how I could
fix this now?
1493 [21:46:13] <urk> Would anyone know how to shut off the
keyring that appears when launching Chrome?
1494 [21:46:20] <LameName123> Should I report this issue somewhere
or is someone of you going to do that now anyway?
1495 [21:46:30] <urk> I don't recall this problem happening
with other distributions.
1496 [21:46:50] <sney> LameName123: from the bug cited in the file
being moved, I wonder if it's in the openjdk-11-jre package
instead, non-headless
1497 [21:47:29] <craigevil> that's what apt-file shows
1498 [21:47:31] <craigevil> openjdk-11-jre:
/usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-arm64/lib/libawt_xawt.so
1499 [21:47:31] <jhutchins> urk: It's something Google has
been messing with. There have been ways to keep it from asking for
the password - seems like one is to set a blank password, but
I've lost those directions.
1500 [21:47:42] <sney> craigevil: on sid though?
1501 [21:47:49] <craigevil> yes
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1504 [21:48:23] <craigevil> apt-file only shows it in headless for
15
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1506 [21:49:06] <urk> jhutchins: Just found some instructions here
so I will check it out
replaced-url
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1509 [21:50:09] <oxek> urk: remove all saved passwords in chrome
1510 [21:50:10] <sney> LameName123: remove it, temporarily disable
buster-security, and install the package from buster instead.
you'll be lacking a few security fixes but you said it was
working before the update, right?
1511 [21:50:29] <urk> oxek: I do not have any saved passwords in
chrome
1512 [21:50:31] <LameName123> Well, I'm not sure if it's
now part of openjdk-11-jre but it sure does get installed if you
install this package. But the file doesn't get listed as part
of the package. Very weird.
1513 [21:50:32] <jhutchins> It's currently using my shell
password, so I just gave up and went with it. I do use chrome's
sharing features.
1514 [21:50:46] <urk> Chrome keyring is a nuisance
1515 [21:50:52] <sney> LameName123: then file a bug against the
package about the file missing. make sure to note that even though
the package *contents* claim the file is there, and show up in
apt-file output, it is not actually contained in
openjdk-11-jre-headless
1516 [21:51:10] <oxek> the contents.gz has not been updated,
that's all
1517 [21:51:15] <LameName123> sney, yeah, it was working before.
Not really comfortable using a vulnerable package tho. Might just
install the other package manually.
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1520 [21:52:06] <sney> the specific security fixes are listed in
replaced-url
1521 [21:52:35] <jmcnaught> If Chrome is using the GNOME keyring
then it can be unlocked automatically at login with
libpam-gnome-keyring… might require also using GDM
1522 [21:52:54] <LameName123> sney, ok, I will report it for the
openjdk-11-jre-headless package then. thank you for your support!
1523 [21:53:03] <sney> np
1524 [21:53:15] <LameName123> and thank you to the other people
that helped as well. :)
1525 [21:54:13] <jhutchins> Does java have a common git
repository?
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1529 [21:55:42] <sney> I see
replaced-url
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1556 [22:26:22] <alexrelis[m]> I have this process called
kworker/0:0-kacpi_notify taking up exxactly 10% of my CPU. How can I
stop it from doing that?
1557 [22:26:34] <alexrelis[m]> Killing the process doesn't
get me anywhere.
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1562 [22:29:06] <peskybird> Can you actually kill the process?
1563 [22:29:11] <jhutchins> alexrelis[m]: The part of the
Kernel/OS, if you get rid of it the system doesn't run any
more.
1564 [22:29:43] <alexrelis[m]> peskybird: I used pkill -9 pid as
root like a boss. Stupid idea, I know.
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1567 [22:30:24] <jhutchins> You could try booting with the -noacpi
switch, but that might have unintended side effects.
1568 [22:30:53] <peskybird> As jhutchins stated, it sounds like a
kernal or bios process... The law of unintended consequences might
give you some tech gremlins if you kill the process.
1569 [22:31:47] <jhutchins> !acpi
1570 [22:31:47] <dpkg> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
(ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to
the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary
code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a
list of supported systems/BIOSes, see
replaced-url
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1573 [22:32:27] <peskybird> alex, try grep . -r
/sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/ to see if kacpi_notify is trying to
tell you something.
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1576 [22:34:06] <alexrelis[m]> peskybird:
replaced-url
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1578 [22:34:24] <alexrelis[m]> It's telling me that acpi has
gone mask off.
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1585 [22:42:45] <peskybird> alex, try echo "disable" |
sudo tee /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe69
1586 [22:42:57] <peskybird> Let us know if your cpu usage drops.
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1588 [22:43:47] <alexrelis[m]> peskybird: That did it!
1589 [22:43:55] <alexrelis[m]> You're a lifesaver!
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1592 [22:45:36] <alexrelis[m]> Honestly, rebooting would've
probably fixed the issue, but I'm studying to be a good
GNU/Linux administrator, so I try my best to never reboot my machine
just because there's an issue that I don't know how to
fix.
1593 [22:46:56] <peskybird> Excellent! Keep that command handy
though to disable other bothersome interrupts.
1594 [22:47:20] <peskybird> Additionally, WHEN you reboot,
it's going to revert back to the way it was...
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1597 [22:48:00] <peskybird> The semi-permanent solution would be
to throw a startup script on your machine that disables your
troublesome interrupts.
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1641 [23:37:46] <jhutchins> peskybird: Or just -noapci in grub
defaults.
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1643 [23:38:16] <peskybird> That's a good one too jhutchins!
1644 [23:38:43] <jhutchins> It's still an open question why
power control appeared to be using 10% of cpu.
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1649 [23:54:59] <alexrelis[m]> jhutchins: I want power management
on my laptop though.
1650 [23:55:04] <alexrelis[m]> And I think it truly was a one-off
thing.
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1652 [23:56:38] <alexrelis[m]> Last time we spoke, I was on a
different laptop with a poorly implemented ACPI that froze after
waking up from suspend and at random times. Now I'm using a
System76 Galago with a more proper implementation.
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