23[00:23:00] <pldiem> GNOME, I am able to connect with my
phone, or at least I was, and I did for a while with my headset but
only with output, I started working on mic, and now nothing works
128[02:06:29] <sZbcE8qNfG_> if I wanted to move debian
installation (4 partitions..boot, swap, root, and home, luks
encrypted)...to move it to an SSD, would DDing each partition be
enough?
167[03:02:05] <dirac1> sZbcE8qNfG_, rsync for a safer movement
and of course you'll need to change the /etc/fstab and
reconfigure your grub (if you are using grub as your bootloader)
168[03:02:44] <sZbcE8qNfG_> don't I need to reinstall grub
into the new hd?
169[03:03:13] <dirac1> Yes sir that's why I'm saying
to reconfigure your grub.
170[03:03:29] <sZbcE8qNfG_> crap I haven't done a grub
install manually
176[03:05:15] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i wish there was an easier way built
into linux
177[03:05:22] <dirac1> sZbcE8qNfG_, or use a second filesystem
inside a usb and chroot into your new filesystem in the SSD
178[03:06:04] <sZbcE8qNfG_> im just going to reinstall...too
complicated :)
179[03:06:17] <sZbcE8qNfG_> thanks for info
180[03:07:45] <dirac1> Oh well, if your /root isn't so
populated, you can repartition your new SSD, and simply use rsync to
copy your whole /home. (and after installing the new filesystem,
create again the same user with the same uid)
181[03:08:33] <dirac1> And you'll have the new system with
your old home, while you reinstall all the packages needed for that
home configuration files.
216[03:22:45] <sZbcE8qNfG_> should I add discard to fstab for my
SSD?
217[03:22:58] <sZbcE8qNfG_> on ubuntu...it looks like they have
a service fstrim
218[03:23:26] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, when I was migrating my
system I just used gparted on an ssd to create unformatted
partitions of correct sizes, then I dd'd LUKS partitions
without even opening them, all was done on a live system
240[03:36:10] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, oh yeah, I was migrating to
an SSD of larger size and thanks to not using LVM I just entered
something like fsck on an opened LUKS partition and it resized
itself properly
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245[03:39:40] <SerajewelKS> i don't know what would be
messy about LVM
246[03:40:30] <SerajewelKS> in fact, LVM can be far less messy.
you can migrate to another disk from within the system, while it is
running. if you have hotswappable drives (and a storage controller
that supports it) you can migrate to another disk without shutting
down the system at all.
247[03:41:55] <SerajewelKS> add new disk -> vgextend (add new
drive to VG) -> vgreduce (remove old drive from VG, LVM
live-migrates the volume to the new PV) -> lvextend (extend the
LV to fill up the new PV) -> remove old disk
254[03:47:42] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i thought by default FDE used LVM
255[03:48:00] <SerajewelKS> LVM is fairly straightforward.
basically you build "volume groups" (VG) from
"physical volumes" (PV) and then "logical
volumes" (LV) can be created in a VG. LVs have an allocation
strategy which comes into play when a VG contains multiple PVs.
257[03:48:45] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, why the hell I would ever
want this?
258[03:48:49] <SerajewelKS> but even with a single physical
volume, LVM has tremendous benefits when you need to change your
storage configuration. it allows you to do a wide array of things,
including (as i mentioned) moving a volume to different physical
media while it is mounted and in use.
259[03:51:04] <SerajewelKS> LVM snapshots also allow you to take
point-in-time copies of an entire volume using a copy-on-write
strategy, which means that snapshots take up no space until blocks
on the underlying volume change
260[03:51:35] <Lyberta> ok, so enterprise thing
261[03:51:40] <sZbcE8qNfG_> are you a sysadmin?
262[03:52:39] <SerajewelKS> yes, i am a sysadmin. though i use
dmraid+LVM on my home LAN server as well. though i also use
enterprise-grade networking hardware at home, so take that with a
grain of salt.
263[03:53:21] <sZbcE8qNfG_> that's exactly what a sysadmin
would do
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271[03:55:40] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, huh, why grub at all? try
creating a dual boot encrypted system using debian package of grub,
that's pretty much impossible, I use rEFInd that is much better
272[03:55:43] <galex-713> Hi
273[03:55:55] <galex-713> Was firefox upgraded under stable?
274[03:55:59] <sZbcE8qNfG_> yes
275[03:56:03] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i got it last night
276[03:56:07] <galex-713> with all the debian-packaged
extensions now incompatible?
277[03:56:09] <sZbcE8qNfG_> i dont like it
278[03:56:10] <galex-713> I got it now
279[03:56:11] <SerajewelKS> Lyberta: it depends how you define
"dual boot encrypted system" -- what OSes, and what
type(s) of encryption on each?
280[03:56:12] <galex-713> wtf
281[03:56:20] <galex-713> that shouldn’t be done *inside*
a release
282[03:56:26] <galex-713> that should be for testing
283[03:56:31] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, in my case 2 debians with
LUKS
284[03:56:39] <galex-713> now all the packages that were
packaged for the last version are broken
285[03:57:00] <SerajewelKS> Lyberta: that should work just fine
with grub, thought i don't begrudge anyone their choice of
bootloader
286[03:57:06] <SerajewelKS> though*
287[03:57:07] <bites> firefox has always been an exception. the
debian security team will not support an EOL browser.
288[03:57:12] <galex-713> eol?
289[03:57:17] <galex-713> ah yeah, security :/
290[03:57:22] <sZbcE8qNfG_> end of life
291[03:57:22] <bites> end of life. 52 esr is dead.
292[03:57:26] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: the old firefox ESR is no
longer supported by mozilla
293[03:57:30] <SerajewelKS> debian doesn't have much choice
here
294[03:57:34] <galex-713> what the
295[03:57:43] <galex-713> mozilla do bad things
296[03:57:47] <SerajewelKS> ?
297[03:57:56] <sZbcE8qNfG_> it does technically, it can focus
all of the development efforts on a new browser and blow mozilla
firefox out of the water
298[03:57:56] <SerajewelKS> no, mozilla is following the
timeline they published years ago
299[03:58:02] <Lyberta> SerajewelKS, you can't mount ESP to
/boot because it needs POSIX permissions, so I guess the only way to
make it work is via tons of scripts
300[03:58:03] <yuta> someone is having issues with firefox on
debian???
301[03:58:05] <galex-713> so now, their “EOL” is so
short we can’t even keep the tradition of keeping the same
version for one distribution
302[03:58:17] <yuta> it freezes up my entire machine when i load
javascript intensive sites like facebook or outlook
303[03:58:31] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: then why debian
didn’t upgraded firefox just before the freeze so it lasted
until next freeze?
304[03:58:41] <galex-713> I never saw that before
305[03:58:50] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: because firefox 60 ESR
was not released then
306[03:59:05] <galex-713> that’s what I’m
criticizing
307[03:59:10] <galex-713> and now it’s breaking all debian
stuff
332[04:01:09] <SerajewelKS> ESR means the program will get
security updates for a long period of time, on the order of years.
so 52 ESR was chosen for stable because it was the latest ESR at the
time.
333[04:01:10] <galex-713> something like that?
334[04:01:14] <SerajewelKS> 59 is NOT an ESR release
335[04:01:14] <galex-713> like LTS for ubuntu
336[04:01:23] <SerajewelKS> so it will become unsupported by
mozilla very soon
337[04:01:33] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: okay, but maybe 59 could
keep ESR until next freeze?
338[04:01:41] <SerajewelKS> 59 is not ESR
339[04:01:42] <galex-713> that’s too fast
340[04:01:47] <Lyberta> galex-713, 57 broke everything not 60
341[04:01:52] <galex-713> everything is becoming too fast for
debian, that’s bad
342[04:01:57] <coruja> galex-713, instead of all the whining and
complaining you could already have uninstalled debian's
extensions and replace them with mozilla's ones (if you need
them that much)
343[04:01:58] <galex-713> Lyberta: ah
344[04:02:01] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: not every firefox release
is an ESR release
345[04:02:03] <galex-713> and is 57 already EOL?
346[04:02:06] <SerajewelKS> you can't just pick one
347[04:02:08] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: I got that
348[04:02:12] <galex-713> 52 is the last ESR
349[04:02:15] <SerajewelKS> if you pick one that's not ESR
then you run into the same problem in a month or two
351[04:02:28] <Lyberta> galex-713, if you want latest version of
firefox that supports XUL - it is 56
352[04:02:32] <SerajewelKS> so if debian packages 59 then we
have to upgrade again very soon, which makes no sense
353[04:02:56] <galex-713> coruja: I prefer to use the same
package manager for everything, so the amount of people I need to
put trust in is less big, also keys are already in my install, and
packages already signed
361[04:04:01] <sZbcE8qNfG_> it is the best in the bottom of the
garbage can
362[04:04:01] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: 56 is not an ESR
363[04:04:12] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: the next ESR after 52 is
60
364[04:04:21] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: I got it, no need to
repeat
365[04:04:22] <Lyberta> galex-713, you do not have to update to
60 but that will break eventually
366[04:04:45] <sZbcE8qNfG_> firefox: mr robot, mozilla location
service, installing addons without asking users permissions
367[04:04:53] <SerajewelKS> basically debian did the least worst
thing. it sucks, but the alternative is letting everyone keep use a
browser that doesn't get security patches.
368[04:04:53] <galex-713> I just mean maybe going from 52 to 56
then 60, and making one exception with one non-esr package could be
better, since it would break packages for a shorter amount of time
369[04:05:27] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, slaughtering status bar,
classic theme, what else...
370[04:05:42] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: couldn’t we
backport security patches? I mean… firefox forks almost
exist… at least stuff using gecko…
371[04:05:45] <sZbcE8qNfG_> there are others, look in the
about:config to see all the crap they try to hide
382[04:06:58] <Lyberta> sZbcE8qNfG_, adding support for
Extremely Malicious Extensions is a sin :P
383[04:07:02] <sZbcE8qNfG_> like mixing the urlbar and search
bar together and removing the option to keep it separate if you
remove it from the default UI.....this way all "search
queries" goto their $$$ donation backer Mr. Google
384[04:07:16] <coruja> galex-713, what about chromium then?
385[04:07:19] <oiaohm> galex-713: also the 56 idea is not
workable as it gets support end 1 month after it release.
386[04:07:26] <oiaohm> galex-713: no security updates.
387[04:07:34] <SerajewelKS> also 56 came out a year ago
388[04:07:41] <SerajewelKS> so support ended like 11 months ago
389[04:07:43] <galex-713> coruja: extremely dubious, lot of
google spying feature, closed development, difficult to review,
difficult to extend
390[04:08:01] <oiaohm> galex-713: sorry 2 months
391[04:08:01] <galex-713> I know someone under oldstable
392[04:08:11] <galex-713> they must be happy of not having this
problem
393[04:08:12] <Lyberta> debian should package waterfox, at least
it has XUL
394[04:08:21] <oiaohm> SerajewelKS: fast releases at mozilla
have 2 months ESR has 12 months.
395[04:08:26] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: maybe. they also are
probably not secure. :)
396[04:08:37] <SerajewelKS> oiaohm: okay. so support ended 10
months ago.
397[04:08:41] <SerajewelKS> same difference
398[04:08:57] <sZbcE8qNfG_> mozilla, google, microsoft,
apple....it's a cartel operation.
399[04:09:01] <galex-713> I mean, I’d prefer learn
“not doing anything sensitive with firefox” (and maybe
using, dunno, konqueror, w3m, links, lynx or eww for that) than this
400[04:09:10] <sZbcE8qNfG_> mozilla is in the business of data
mining and brokering to the highest bidder
420[04:10:50] <galex-713> sZbcE8qNfG_: inconsciously even
I’d say
421[04:10:54] <galex-713> it’s like GNOME you know
422[04:11:00] <oiaohm> Items like firefox and chrome I really do
think they should be considered being moved out to flatpak
423[04:11:02] <galex-713> there are out there a lot of
cloud-enthousiasts
424[04:11:14] <galex-713> cloud is worse than proprietary
software, even rms says it
425[04:11:19] <galex-713> however, not everybody agree
426[04:11:45] <galex-713> it’s like if people accepted
proprietary was bad but only a little and because you made them
repeat it a thousand time, but they didn’t understand anything
427[04:11:56] <oiaohm> because neither firefox or chrome is
going to give 3 to 5 years as a distribution need.
428[04:11:56] <sZbcE8qNfG_> see my example in oftopic
429[04:11:57] <galex-713> oiaohm: what is flatpak ?
455[04:15:43] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: hell, a buffer overrun
exploit in the CSS parser could be found, to where you get RCE just
by visiting a webpage
456[04:15:55] <SerajewelKS> not saying it's likely, but
there's a much larger attack surface in a browser than just
javascript
457[04:16:09] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: is firefox really so bad
we find stuff like that every year?
458[04:16:22] <coruja> galex-713, you may also use debian's
snapshots to revert to a version that pleases (and pin it then)
459[04:16:25] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: no, but if it is found, i
want my browser to be updated
460[04:16:36] <galex-713> anything could, just setting prefix as
.local, linking .local/etc to .config, and not using anything
outside /home would normally work with any package manager
462[04:16:42] <SerajewelKS> because if i'm not using an
actively-supported release, i'm probably also not reading
security changelogs from the current version
463[04:16:53] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: if it is so bad why not
backporting the bugfixes, like it is done for other pakages?
464[04:17:20] <galex-713> oiaohm: I’d better study SELinux
or develop a non-monolithic kernel like the hurd
465[04:17:25] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: some fixes can't be
backported. e.g. quantum changed a lot of the layout engine. if
there's a bug in the OLD layout engine in 52, nobody is even
going to discover it, except possibly the bad actors.
468[04:17:33] <Lyberta> I think the only winning move is kiss
world wide web goodbye, it was ok while it lasted
469[04:17:42] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: if there is a bug in the
new layout engine, it doesn't even apply to 52
470[04:18:15] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: after 52 goes EOL, nobody
is looking for security problems there except bad actors, because
there is no point. mozilla won't patch anything that's
found, why would people look?
471[04:18:31] <galex-713> Lyberta: it was never okay, it stopped
to be okay after
replaced-url
472[04:18:39] <SerajewelKS> if the bug was fixed already in 60
because of an architectural change, the fix can't even be
backported
473[04:18:53] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: can webextensions allow
stuff like treestyletabs?
490[04:21:04] <galex-713> Lyberta: I agree with SerajewelKS, the
UI is not the worse
491[04:21:05] <Lyberta> I'm not gonna surf the web when I
can't even get anywhere because UI is unusable
492[04:21:20] <SerajewelKS> galex-713: honestly i don't
know. time will tell. you can maybe use 60 for awhile but keep 52
installed for some things until the extensions you need get
forward-ported.
493[04:21:44] <galex-713> oiaohm: no you don’t understand,
selinux is normally able to add fine-grained permission system near
to sandboxing without loosing performances as much as real
sandboxing would and without extra software by ubuntu
494[04:22:04] <galex-713> SerajewelKS: I can’t keep it
installed, the upgrade removed it! :/
495[04:22:07] <SerajewelKS> selinux is a possible solution if
you want to keep using 52
496[04:22:17] <Lyberta> firefox 4 made UI unusable because it
removed status bar, thanks to XUL it could be fixed
497[04:22:18] <SerajewelKS> i tend to go overboard for
sandboxing though, give me a full VM any day
500[04:22:42] <SerajewelKS> anyway i gotta run. do what you
want, just don't blame me for the results. :)
501[04:24:40] <oiaohm> galex-713: bubblewrap sandbox system that
is at the base of flatpak currently does not cause any major
performance overhead. selinux would just make it harder. If you are
thinking about snap sandbox that this is horrible because it using
loopback mounts.
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503[04:30:00] <bites> i really don't see your point. how
would flatpak change anything related to this discussion?
507[04:35:29] <SerajewelKS> bites: the idea i think is that you
run firefox in a sandbox such that a security vulnerability
couldn't compromise the whole system
508[04:35:41] <SerajewelKS> however, it could still compromise
anything in firefox, including cookies for other sites
509[04:36:29] <bites> the solution is not to give users a
vulnerable browser and run it in a sandbox. that's insanity.
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513[04:38:32] <SerajewelKS> (that debian choosing firefox 60 was
the only logical thing to do)
514[04:38:57] <oiaohm> bites: really items like a brower are
always at high risk of zero days. WIth the fact that a fixed version
will not be maintained as long as the life cycle requirements and
you will need to backport you have problem.
515[04:39:31] <bites> that's why browsers get version bumps
in debian.
517[04:40:05] <galex-713> at least it’s a little more fast
518[04:40:06] <bites> it's not new.
519[04:40:59] <galex-713> bites: if the other option is
worse…
520[04:43:13] <SerajewelKS> i didn't see the speed
improvement in quantum, but i think that's because what i do
tends to be heavier on the javascript side and the JS engine really
didn't see much improvement. it was all DOM/layout.
521[04:43:23] <SerajewelKS> which is great for the initial
render, but doesn't help much beyond that. *shrug*
546[04:55:52] <oiaohm> bites: basically flatpak as a simple to
use chroot.
547[04:58:31] <oiaohm> Moving fast moving packages that need to
be fast moving to flatpak or the like for older releases just would
get rid of a stack of backporting problems.
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728[09:51:19] <Putti> Do you know if there are any plans to make
the Firefox plugins work again as the new version that came
yesterday doesn't work with them
782[10:52:34] <jelly> Putti: oh, extensions. xul
("legacy") extensions will not be coming back to Firefox.
No idea about ABP, but NoScript has an updated version that works
with
replaced-url
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828[11:20:42] <dionysus69> This may apply to the operating
system so here is my problem, if it goes to grub and then just goes
for regular boot, it shuts off after 2 seconds but if I do recovery
mode first and then normal boot then it boots up, any ideas what
maybe wrong with my old laptop?
839[11:34:01] <dka> Is anyone familiar with OpenLDAP ACL?
840[11:34:16] <dka> I want to give simple read access to an org
tree for a particular user
841[11:35:21] <Habbie> dka, there's #openldap on this
network
842[11:35:43] <jelly> and just #ldap too
843[11:35:54] <Habbie> indeed
844[11:36:03] <Habbie> oh, dka is in #ldap :)
845[11:39:22] <rakor> Hey there. I want to switch from stable to
updating. I thought to ":%s/ stretch/ testing/g" in vim.
But are those repos all available for testing? Especially, is there
a "testing-updates"?
848[11:42:01] <ksk> rakor: why not give it a try? :)
849[11:42:27] <rakor> Cause I want to do it the right way ;)
850[11:43:37] <rakor> I tested it in a VM and it worked... but
will this line be a zombie?!
851[11:44:22] <ksk> No.
852[11:44:52] <ksk> If it was not available, it would produce
for a example a http 404 error - and you would see APT complaining
about that on apt-get upgrade
854[11:45:57] <ksk> just test it by invalidating (put a typo
into) a line, and run apt-get update to have a look what happens (no
explosions, I swear!).
862[11:48:32] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
863[11:48:49] <ksk> if you have problems in the future, see this
channel.
865[11:49:49] <jelly> rakor: don't switch to
'testing', use a codename instead. it's
'buster' right now. That way you'll avoid surprises
when everything breaks in testing right after a release
879[11:58:40] <jelly> rakor: it gets... interesting right after
a release, after it's switched over to a new codename and
everyone uploads all the latest stuff they waited on during the
freeze
969[13:18:27] <dutchfish> privileges* sorry for the typos
970[13:18:35] <dka> ok
971[13:18:47] <dka> I will update `olcAccess: {2}to
dn.subtree="dc=example,dc=com" by
dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read
by * none `
972[13:18:59] <dka> With `olcAccess: {2}to
dn.subtree="dc=example,dc=com" by
dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com" read
by dn="cn=workstation,ou=applications,dc=example,dc=com"
search by * none `
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974[13:19:42] <dutchfish> dka, so in short, learn forest(s),
make sure your query matching your schematics, do the right order.
and user has the correct search ATTR.
987[13:24:42] <dka> This is the current schema:
replaced-url
988[13:25:02] <dka> dutchfish, I have applied scdx as you can
see
989[13:25:41] <dka> If you know how I could solve this and
create a less public user for part of our ldap, I would be really
glad. I've been through the documentation and I need to have an
example.
990[13:25:54] <dka> I have a basic task I can accomplished, my
feeling is that I am bad. Is that me?
1078[14:27:07] <EdePopede> firefox-esr 60.2 was just offered to
me, so i looked into the server. 60.1 is also there, but only as a
.tar.xz archive. does it mean it wasn't readily debianized for
a go?
1079[14:27:47] <hexhaxtron> at0m: thanks!
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1140[15:24:33] <bites> please describe your problem and what
software you are using to connect.
1141[15:26:35] <pldiem> I am able to connect to my headset, using
build in bluetooth or blueman, for a while I had even sound through
a2dp, I had to do "sudo systemctl restart bluetooth" but
worked, then I started working on mic and right now nothing works
1142[15:26:59] <pldiem> I cannot change Profile from Off, every
time I try to use different profile I am disconnected
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1152[15:29:17] <dob1> hi, can someone help me to understand how
to mange openvpn with systemd on stretch? I have the client config
file (client.conf) in /etc/openvpn/client but when? what to do?
1153[15:29:40] <bites> pldiem: disconnect all devices. when you
right-click on the blueman-applet then go to "Devices",
then right click on your headset and select Connect To: Audio Sink
while your headset is turned on and searching for a connection, what
happens?
1158[15:32:07] <pldiem> now I have to run "sudo systemctl
restart bluetooth"
1159[15:32:15] <pldiem> and reconnect
1160[15:32:25] <dob1> I tried systemctl start systemctl enable
openvpn-client@client1.service and this gave me Created symlink
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn-client@client1.service
→ /lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service
1161[15:32:25] <pldiem> now I will see the device
1162[15:32:42] <pldiem> but when I will try to change profile
from Off
1179[15:45:58] <sZbcE8qNfG> hello, if I had firmware-atheros
installed from stable and then I install from backports (apt-get -t
stretch-backports install firmware-atheros).....what happens? like
which firmware is used?
1180[15:46:43] <dvs> sZbcE8qNfG, the one from backports.
1181[15:47:12] <sZbcE8qNfG> don't I need to apt-get purge
firmware-atheros from stable?
1186[15:48:17] <sZbcE8qNfG> I installed a new kernel apt-get -t
stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64. To later update to the
new backports kernel, do I run the same exact command?
1190[15:49:48] <sZbcE8qNfG> yep but when linux-image-amd64 in
backports points to a newer version of the kernel than the one I had
installed from backports....do I run the same command?
1191[15:50:40] <bites> not sure what you are asking.
1194[15:51:09] <bites> that command will get you the latest
kernel from backports.
1195[15:51:11] <dvs> sZbcE8qNfG, if you update the
llinux-image-amd64 package from backports, it will always update the
kernel from backports
1196[15:51:47] <sZbcE8qNfG> example: backports linux-image-amd64
points to kernel 4.9. 1 week later, it is updated to 5.0. What
happens to the linux-image-amd64 backports kernel I installed a week
ago? How will that update from 4.9 to 5.0?
1197[15:52:10] <sZbcE8qNfG> will it be included in apt-get
full-upgrade or do I need to run some other command
1198[15:52:18] <bites> you will have an additional kernel
installed, the old one stays.
1199[15:52:56] <bites> and it will fail if you have not enough
space in /boot/
1200[15:53:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> ok, so after I install the new kernel
from backports. If backports receives a NEWER version 1 week
later....apt-get full-upgrade will install that newer version
1201[15:53:22] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok
1202[15:53:27] <dob1> how can I ask systemd to generate the
service for openvpn ? openvpn-client@conf1.service
1205[15:54:45] <bites> services with @ in them are templates. if
you start openvpn-client@conf1.service it starts the service from
that template with conf1 as an argument. if that's the answer
you are looking for.
1210[15:58:38] <judd> No package named 'mesa' was found
in amd64.
1211[15:59:52] <dob1> I managed to make it working put the
client1.conf in /etc/openvpn but so, what is the purpose of the
client and server directories?
1213[16:00:59] <dob1> sudo systemctl enable
openvpn@client1.service works, but if I put client1.conf on
/etc/openvpn/client and I use sudo systemctl enable
openvpn-client@client1.conf do nothing
1214[16:01:51] <bites> the only thing enable does is create
symlinks so the service starts on boot.
1215[16:02:26] <bites> systemctl start starts a service. or use
restart if it's already running.
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1218[16:06:04] <dob1> bites, ok you right it start it as you
said. but what it gives me confusion is that
openvpn-client@client1.service is not found by autocompletition
instead openvpn@client1.service it is
1220[16:06:41] <dob1> I have to write
openvpn-client@client1.service , instead with the other
configuration I see the service openvpn@client1.service, more clear
1385[18:22:16] <judd> Backporting package gnome in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch, stretch-backports.
1386[18:22:22] <bites> !ssb
1387[18:22:22] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1388[18:22:32] <bites> KaffeeKatrin: you can try if you want. ^
1397[18:32:40] <EdePopede> keyboard handling seem to be by far
more complicated that in the past. is there a paper / wiki / blog
entry explaining how it works in an actual debian?
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1401[18:40:27] <EdePopede> i had T2 layout before, now it seems
to be T3. seem at least to have more layers and some things moved to
another key. and typing unicode characters by code works now finally
in hexchat (input method is "simple" now, there is also
"none" "system (x input method)" and some more
not language/coutry related), but not in say, firefox or mousepad.
though in hexchat now i to get '@' it is C-S<u><4
0> instead of
1402[18:40:27] <EdePopede> C-S<ua><4 0> as before.
and layout in the terminal also seems to be closer to layout in X
than before. and then there's this IBus thing still don't
get why it was installed...
1497[20:16:28] <deadrom> setting up deb9 in a VirtualBox 5 VM on
a 3.6TB vdisk. installer says "free space on disk 3.9T".
is this a 1000 vs 1024 thing or might deb not fair well with VBox?
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1503[20:18:00] <kktr> Hi. On a Debian installation
/boot/config-X-Y-A-B file contains the options that correspond to
the parameters used during Kernel compilation. My question, can I
find this config elsewhere online (maybe some online code
repository) that is used for kernels of Jessie/Stretch/Buster?
(Ideally I want to use it to have the same exact parameters as
debian to compile a custom kernel; need to change 2 lines of code)
1504[20:18:15] <petn-randall> deadrom: It's likely a Mebi vs
mega thing, but you can check it yourself by comparing the byte
sizes.
1505[20:18:59] <deadrom> petn-randall, the graphical installer
does not tell me the byte size of the partition. can I make it?
1506[20:19:35] <petn-randall> deadrom: You could switch to the
terminal (ctrl + alt + F2 I think) and show it there with
'fdisk -l'.
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1598[21:28:35] <petn-randall> hays: I see. And what's your
question?
1599[21:28:56] <bites> check in /etc/logrotate.d/ if you have a
config for that. then with dpkg -S /etc/logrotate.d/<file>
check what package it's from. otherwise just remove it.
1600[21:29:51] <foldy> hi do anybody know about any problem with
mounting a lot of bigger disk at startup at stretch ? I have xen at
stretch with jess vps, but when I shutdown jess vps and try boot
stretch vps with 6 more LVM partition (every around 3TB) it didnt
boot and stops before login with systemd exception timeouts, mount
optios are : /dev/xvda4 /mnt/data1 ext4
noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro,x-systemd.device-timeout=300s 0
1
1601[21:29:55] <hays> i just deleted the files out of logrotate
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1604[21:30:26] <hays> is there a way to reinstall every package?
I also have packages that are showing up with :amd64 and some
don't have that tag/note on them
1605[21:30:37] <hays> I'd like to make it so they all
don't have the tag/note
1613[21:32:13] <foldy> I think it di somehow fsck, but didnt end.
vps is pinging but ssh is not up and I cannot login via console
because systemd didnt boot until login.
1614[21:33:09] <NetTerminalGene> can i stop software store
automatically load at boot?
1615[21:33:23] <NetTerminalGene> using default debian gnome
1616[21:33:41] <petn-randall> foldy: Sounds more like something
is not set up correctly. If you can show us the actual boot error we
can help you with that.
1618[21:34:41] <dka> How can I add item to the list when running
: `update-alternatives --config desktop-background`
1619[21:35:02] <foldy> petn-randall, try to look at syslog if is
there any, I can try at at night again, because im migrating it. I
let you know at few minutes
1620[21:36:00] <hays> anyone have any ideas on my :amd64
question?
1621[21:37:06] <petn-randall> hays: Why do you want that?
It's part of the package info.
1623[21:37:29] <hays> petn-randall: some of them have the :amd64
and some do not
1624[21:37:31] <petn-randall> hays: There are arch-specific
packages, and those that aren't.
1625[21:38:03] <foldy> petn-randall, well it didnt write anything
at messages or syslog, so I dont have data now and must try it again
over night. Is there any option more for fstab to mount that
partions as huge with a few milion files ?
1626[21:38:34] <hays> petn-randall: for example there are no
python packages that have :amd64
1627[21:38:38] <petn-randall> foldy: I don't think the size
is a problem. You likely have the wrong UUID in /etc/fstab or some
other combination of errors.
1628[21:38:53] <petn-randall> hays: Yes, because they are
"arch: all".
1629[21:39:14] <foldy> petn-randall, it is a LVM partitions with
xen vps so it is a xvda* devices, no UUID.
1630[21:39:30] <petn-randall> hays: python is mostly interpreted,
so the python scripts/libraries will run on any architecture.
1631[21:39:42] <petn-randall> foldy: That's likely your
first issue.
1632[21:40:12] <hays> ahh, ok. I thought this might be stuff I
needed to clean out from switching architectures
1634[21:40:21] <hays> now.. is there a way to just reinstall
every package?
1635[21:40:25] <petn-randall> foldy: device names can change
between release or even reboots. It's better to use UUIDs, as
they are unique no matter what you do.
1636[21:40:40] <petn-randall> hays: How did you switch
architectures?
1637[21:40:55] <petn-randall> hays: What would reinstalling every
package accomplish?
1638[21:40:59] <hays> petn-randall: via a rather painful and
error prone process
1639[21:41:00] <petn-randall> !xy
1640[21:41:00] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
1641[21:41:15] <petn-randall> hays: Step back, what are you
trying to accomplish? ^^^
1642[21:41:47] <hays> I am trying to make reasonable assurance
that any corruption that occurred during my migration to amd64 from
i386 is corrected
1643[21:41:56] <foldy> petn-randall, jess vps havent problem with
it, but when I stop it reconfigure xen config and start stretch vps,
it didnt fully boot, I think xen + LVM didnt have UUID, because of
they are same xvda* devicest pointing to same LVM partitions.
1644[21:42:04] <hays> ive already found one issue, where mariadb
needed to be reinstalled
1645[21:42:29] <petn-randall> hays: How did the file get
corrupted?
1646[21:43:01] <hays> petn-randall: i think that during the
conversion to amd64, the package installation didnt' complete
1647[21:43:07] <petn-randall> hays: How did the package get
corrupted? What kind of corruption?
1648[21:43:13] <hays> doing this required a lot of overrides
1659[21:45:02] <petn-randall> hays: Why not do a clean reinstall?
It might be simpler to fix.
1660[21:45:16] <foldy> petn-randall, I think it tryes fsck maybe
it is timeouting at that fsck, because that partitions need around
10 mins to do fsck and kernel do fails after 120sec (systemd
waiting)
1661[21:46:07] <hays> seems easier to fix the things that are
standard (debian packages) then to redo all of the things that are
not standrd (particular server config)
1662[21:46:20] <petn-randall> foldy: That's not the issue.
If fsck would be running, systemd wouldn't timeout after 10
minutes. That would be insane.
1666[21:47:13] <foldy> petn-randall, ok I try it at night again
and copy it from console. thx
1667[21:48:21] <petn-randall> foldy: Likely it's waiting for
the device in /etc/fstab to become available, but it never does (due
to the device name getting changed).
1669[21:49:56] <foldy> petn-randall, strange is that when I
simulate it with other smaller discs without data it works, I
connect 10 more xvdas but not 3TB but 3GB and everything works from
scratch.
1699[22:16:02] <annadane> do flatpaks come with their own
configuration paths bundled in? for example, if i have emacs 25.1
from the debian repo, and download emacs 26 in flatpak, will the
flatpak version interfere with my already existing emacs 25 config?
1700[22:17:50] <annadane> by which i mean dot files/folders
1709[22:19:29] <bites> you know you don't need to use
netplan?
1710[22:19:31] <rydare> why can't you install netplan on
ubuntu though?
1711[22:19:32] <n4dir> i sure have seen apps which have an option
to tell which config file to use.
1712[22:19:58] <bites> netplan just generates configs for
systemd-networkd or network-manager. you can install ifupdown if you
want.
1713[22:20:16] <NapoleonWils0n> netplan is the default in ubuntu
18.04 for setting up networking and i really dont like it so was
looking to switch
1714[22:20:31] <at0m> and pulseaudio supports network audio
1715[22:20:35] <NapoleonWils0n> absolute pain to create a bridged
interface for qemu kvm
1716[22:20:46] <n4dir> man emacs or such should know
1717[22:21:01] <at0m> oh, sorry, misread "is like PA for
networking"
1718[22:21:11] <NapoleonWils0n> i was saying that netplan is like
pulseaudio in the sense that it isnt good in my opion
1719[22:21:29] <bites> so don't use it.
1720[22:21:30] <ticapix> from a uefi interactive shell with a usb
dongle where I burn a debian netinstall iso, how can I find the
correct command line to start the text installer ?
1721[22:21:59] <NapoleonWils0n> does debian still use standard if
up and down or has it switched to netplan as well
1722[22:22:10] <bites> it has not
1723[22:22:22] <NapoleonWils0n> bites cheers mate thats really
good to hear
1752[22:32:03] <petn-randall> systemd doesn't configure
networks in Debian by default, it's either ifupdown or
network-manager. You're of course free to use any tool you want
to accomplish networking.
1753[22:32:12] <petn-randall> *systemd-networkd
1754[22:32:28] <NapoleonWils0n> i suppose the difference is with
debian you add the stuff you need, with ubuntu you have to remove
the stuff you dont
1755[22:32:43] <bites> no, it's already there. comes with
the systemd package.
1756[22:32:55] <bites> just not enabled.
1757[22:32:58] <petn-randall> Sure, but not enabled by default.
1763[22:36:02] <foldy> petn-randall, (remember that xen discs
issue) I allready solved that issue with xen room, If anybody had
problem with it is about limiting sources of xen, need rising
gnttab_max_frames=32 to higher value, bacause of structure havent
get enough sources for that discs, procs and rams.
1830[23:30:23] <n4dir> firefox was upgraded these days, now i
have lost sound for firefox (only; mocp works and i installed
chromium to check which has sound too)
1841[23:43:15] <at0m> n4dir: not running stable, but did you
install these from debian repository or as add-on? either way, is
there newer versions of these addons that match the newer firefox?
if not, probably wait a little and they will make it through
1842[23:43:26] <n4dir> NetTerminalGene: newly?
1843[23:43:48] <NetTerminalGene> i don't know which version
it started
1872[23:52:45] <at0m> or learn pulseaudio, like we have to learn
systemd. i remember pulseaudio when it just came out, it was way
incomplete and i had no clue how it worked. bad combination.