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4 [00:04:01] <kale> found my xfce login issue. it was really
lightdm that waited for entropy. so installing haveged solved the
issue
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9 [00:10:01] <sponix2ipfw> kale: Interesting
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13 [00:11:16] <J0P3YE> I'm trying to play a DVD and I keep
getting a GStreamer backend error. What do I need to do to get DVD
playback in Debian 10?
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15 [00:11:30] <kale> J0P3YE: mplayer dvd://
16 [00:12:26] <J0P3YE> kale: ?
17 [00:12:50] <kale> J0P3YE: i always use mplayer to play my
media, it has never failed me.
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19 [00:13:14] <sponix2ipfw> J0P3YE: sudo apt install smplayer
mpv
20 [00:14:10] <sponix2ipfw> Then open the DVD device from the
SMPlayer menu
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23 [00:15:00] <dispersed> or install a gstreamer backend ?
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25 [00:15:30] <sponix2ipfw> kale: I don't know what haveged
is or why it would be needed.. But I do recall having a similar
issue a while back
26 [00:15:56] <J0P3YE> dispersed: That's what I was
thinking, but I don't know anything more than that. I just
installed debian-xfce-nonfree from .org.
27 [00:15:58] <kale> sponix2ipfw: yes i have had it before too,
i think its in a vm i have
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29 [00:16:36] <kale> J0P3YE: do you know about apt?
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31 [00:17:35] <J0P3YE> kale: Yes, but for some reason I'm
not in sudo list.. and there is no tab-tab auto complete.
32 [00:17:40] <sponix2ipfw> kale: mine was on my host with Mint
also using xfce. Prior to this fresh install
33 [00:17:47] <HoloIRCUser1> jhutchins, I actually read that I
can use rsync & clone the total system from within the
functional system.
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35 [00:18:11] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: You may have trouble upgrading
if you install from 3rd party repos.
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37 [00:18:15] <kale> J0P3YE: could you just do "su -"
?
38 [00:18:19] <karlpinc> !tell J0P3YE about don't break
debian
39 [00:18:37] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: ?
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41 [00:19:16] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: You said you installed
"from .org".
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43 [00:19:25] <J0P3YE> debian.org
44 [00:19:36] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Well then you're fine. :)
45 [00:20:25] <sponix2ipfw> kale: I keep forgetting Debian
doesn't do sudo right off lol
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50 [00:21:48] <karlpinc> HoloIRCUser1: There are various ways to
backup. Be aware that if you backup from within a running system
(without taking precautions) there are some parts of the system
(particularly RDMS database servers) that won't be properly
backed up. Things can be inconsistent because your backup program
sees different parts of the disk at different times, and the disk is
constantly being written to.
51 [00:22:16] <sponix2ipfw> J0P3YE: so in Synaptic package
manager just install smplayer and mpv. Problem solved
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54 [00:22:44] <kale> sponix2ipfw: i believe the way ubuntu
introduced the use of sudo this and that for everything really has
introduced the command to its users in the wrong way
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56 [00:24:16] <sponix2ipfw> kale: maybe. But I have been doing
Mint support for a long time now. So it is what I am use to
57 [00:24:56] * karlpinc always just does an "su -" to
become root when necessary. YMMV
58 [00:25:27] <kale> sponix2ipfw: but you type 5 chars extra for
every command
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62 [00:27:53] <J0P3YE> How do I get tab-tab to list packages?
63 [00:27:57] <sponix2ipfw> kale: well in just that spirit I
currently have my Rig set up to never prompt me for a password when
doing Admin actions. Think of the typing I've saved in this
week alone :)
64 [00:28:14] <somiaj> J0P3YE: what shell and command are you
using?
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67 [00:29:07] <somiaj> J0P3YE: provided you are using debian
defaults, 'apt install fv<tab-tab>' will list all
the matches availabie in your current sources.
68 [00:29:58] <J0P3YE> somiaj: I guess I need to update sources
then.
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72 [00:31:59] <somiaj> J0P3YE: what is the output of apt policy
-- use paste.debian.net
73 [00:34:05] <J0P3YE> somiaj: /plain/1127191
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75 [00:35:36] <filpAM> Anyone with openmp experience
76 [00:35:49] <somiaj> J0P3YE: do you use your own custom
.profile or .bashrc files?
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78 [00:36:55] <J0P3YE> This was a clean install -unfortunately I
may have also replaced stock bios with grub.
79 [00:37:22] <enko> bios?
80 [00:37:29] <enko> boot partition?
81 [00:37:44] <somiaj> well the default .bashrc provided in
/etc/skel enables tab completion, but it is commented out of the
system wide /etc/bash.bashrc by default
82 [00:37:50] <somiaj> J0P3YE: are you using login or
interactive shells?
83 [00:37:59] <J0P3YE> login
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86 [00:38:29] <somiaj> J0P3YE: run 'source
/etc/skel/.bashrc' then see if tab completion works for you
87 [00:38:53] <J0P3YE> enko: New drive was used to install from
live disc. Now it seems like I can't get back to bios outside
of gnu-grub.
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89 [00:39:36] <J0P3YE> somiaj: Sure enough. Thanks.
90 [00:40:00] <somiaj> J0P3YE: so for some reason due to your
login shells and your .profile and/or .bashrc in your $HOME, it
isn't being enabled.
91 [00:40:31] <somiaj> you can grab the code you need from
/etc/skel/.bashrc, you could uncomment from /etc/bash.bashrc (for
system wide), and you need to make sure you .bashrc is being sourced
from .profile or add the code to .profile
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104 [00:48:01] <efesr> Hola
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127 [01:02:38] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: I just now found the msg
(!tell); makeing a go at the article now. Thanks.
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157 [01:25:05] <gvth> test
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160 [01:26:19] <dvs> !test
161 [01:26:19] <dpkg> Test failed.
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165 [01:28:09] <r1nt3c> lol
166 [01:28:24] <gvth> Hi; I am on a ThinkPad X201 with limited
connection/interface capabilities (the fastest I think would be a
yellow USB-port). How would you recommend to perform backups? I have
a 160GB hard disk installed.
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171 [01:29:28] <dvs> !clonezilla
172 [01:29:29] <dpkg> Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on
Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to
Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>,
<partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others.
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175 [01:30:05] <r1nt3c> That is my recommendation.replaced-url
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177 [01:30:07] <gvth> dvs: but this would require me to shut down
the system...
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179 [01:30:39] <gvth> can't I just perform backups on a
running system?
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182 [01:31:30] <dvs> You could try rsync but you would have to do
some preparation before restoring the system.
183 [01:32:14] <gvth> rsync is very slow...
184 [01:32:44] <gvth> and takes lots of resources
185 [01:33:40] <abrotman> how often?
186 [01:34:27] <gvth> I mean is there a better option for me to
put backups on than on an external HDD or SSD via USB3?
187 [01:34:59] <abrotman> wifi?
188 [01:35:26] <gvth> I am connected to my router via a wired
ethernet cable :-)
189 [01:35:28] <abrotman> 9-pin serial cable?
190 [01:35:30] <abrotman> :)
191 [01:35:45] <abrotman> if you don't want to use your
network, USB is probably the fastest
192 [01:36:21] <abrotman> it's going to be slow to transfer
.. options are using rsync to limit the amount you need to send over
the USB .. or tar it all up and write a single file ..
193 [01:36:48] <abrotman> there are tons of other options .. but
those would probably be the two i'd go between
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195 [01:37:49] <abrotman> tons of articles on the internets
discuss optoins
196 [01:37:57] <gvth> I am pending between two options: external
USB3 HDD or SSD
197 [01:38:58] <gvth> or I will use an older laptop, install the
newest Debian on it and put backups there
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207 [01:49:26] <HEX0> which debian release can you recommend to
test pre 4.x kernels?
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210 [01:51:27] <tomreyn> any which don't come with 4.x and
are still supported
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214 [01:52:07] <AidanLCB_> -citysim
215 [01:52:11] <AidanLCB_> how
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217 [01:53:14] <joepublic> a key is the introduction of cgroups,
which I believe jessie doesn't assume existence of but stretch
does.
218 [01:53:33] <HEX0> tomreyn: so jessie?
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241 [02:09:09] <RadoS> annadane, a while ago you asked me for my
sources.list, now I'm at home to provide:
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253 [02:20:02] <J0P3YE> What "vpn plug-in" do I need to
add a vpn connection from debian-xfce?
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256 [02:22:49] <JackFrost> J0P3YE: I'm not sure I understand
the question, but fuzzy matching in my head tells me you're
asking about network-manager-openvpn-gnome and the like.
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259 [02:24:04] <J0P3YE> Yes, I believe I am.
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371 [03:45:53] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: You might want to start with
telling is what you're trying to accomplish. As in "why do
you think you need a vpn?" There may be better ways.
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379 [03:49:07] <HoloIRCUser> Hello. I can't find the debian
wheezy source sites.
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381 [03:50:45] <HoloIRCUser> Are the sites still hosting that
data?
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383 [03:52:17] <nyov> HoloIRCUser: they're at
replaced-url
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386 [03:53:04] <nyov> HoloIRCUser: you can just change the
domain-name in your sources list
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388 [03:54:01] <nyov> unless you want a specific version of a
specific package, then you're better off at
replaced-url
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402 [04:03:22] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: I'm trying to tunnel
through work network (hence vpn).
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406 [04:04:40] <J0P3YE> ..in and around rather.
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419 [04:13:26] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Why not just ssh into the work
network? Does the work network provide a VPN connection? If so, what
kind?
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421 [04:14:51] <jsync> Hello. I have been visited of the evil
gnome. I've had terrible video problems today. A monitor for a
system went out, & then a video card went out on a separate
system. I'm blaming evil gnomes.
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423 [04:15:04] <jsync> I'm looking for the nvidia drivers
for wheezy.
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425 [04:15:57] <jsync> I cited the url within
/etc/apt/sources.list, though the url wouldn't resolve, so I
couldn't get the drivers & header files I need for the
replacement video card.
426 [04:16:33] <karlpinc> jsync: The proprietary ones or libre
ones?
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428 [04:16:55] <karlpinc> !archive.debian.org
429 [04:16:55] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported
releases at
replaced-url
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432 [04:18:14] <karlpinc> jsync: Try the archives. Don't
know what happens if you're trying to get the non-free stuff.
Sometimes that's just a wrapper around a download from
somewhere else, which may or may not still be there or still support
your hardware. Depends on the proprietary company to play nice.
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441 [04:25:53] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Or are you trying to get _out_
of the work network?
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461 [04:36:39] <jsync> karlpinc, I need nvidia drivers. I guess
the non-free ones, unless I can find something else that will work.
I need them for a server, so I'm not doing heavy graphics with
that machine, not actually.
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469 [04:42:03] <karlpinc> jsync: Well, try it an see what
happens.
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471 [04:42:28] <jsync> I tried. I said, the backports url
doesn't resolve, not actually.
472 [04:42:47] <karlpinc> jsync: You didn't read what I
wrote above, try the archives.
473 [04:43:01] <jsync> Oh. Right. I'll take a look.
474 [04:43:36] <karlpinc> jsync: If it does not work, then try
the free driver. Especially if it's a server then so long as it
works you don't care if it is fast.
475 [04:45:22] <jsync> karlpinc, what's the free driver
package for nvidia 7 cards?
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477 [04:45:53] <jsync> The Debian archives doesn't list
wheezy yet, not actually.
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480 [04:47:56] <nyov> jsync:
replaced-url
481 [04:48:41] <z8z> gnome alternative to vinagre? I mean....
something not as horrible and super bugged as vinagre.
482 [04:49:30] <jsync> nyov, can I use this with apt?
483 [04:49:32] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: In, then around.
484 [04:50:00] <karlpinc> jsync: nouveau
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486 [04:50:24] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Well what does the local
network admin do to give you privilges to get into the network?
487 [04:50:25] <nyov> jsync: yes, but not that link specifically.
just use the domain like any regular mirror site
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492 [04:52:41] <karlpinc> z8z: There's the various VNCs, or
just tunneling X with ssh. Ssh is usually easiest, but I don't
know what the story is with wayland.
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494 [04:54:46] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: I have it written down, but
I'll have to get back to you on that when I have more time.
495 [04:55:52] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: How you get into the network
depends entirely on how you are let into the network. If you're
not let in, then you risk your job breaking in. So best to do what
the network admin wants.
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497 [04:56:15] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Just ask the channel.
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504 [05:02:34] <jsync> It seems I already have the
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package installed, though my system
won't use gnome3 with my video card, not actually.
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508 [05:07:04] <jsync> I did a grep & figured out I need the
nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx package.
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512 [05:08:09] <quarterback> I have a weird problem after I
upgraded from debian 9 to debian 10. The login screen still shows
debian 9. After logging in, when I start a application like
terminal, the system logs out and shows the login screen again. How
to fix this?
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515 [05:08:54] <quarterback> It seems I have to login like this 3
or 4 times to actually login. The command uptime shows 3 users
sometimes.
516 [05:09:25] <jsync> Page suggests that the package is gone. :(
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518 [05:09:42] <dvs> quarterback, what does cat
/etc/debian_version says?
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521 [05:10:05] <quarterback> dvs, 10.2
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523 [05:11:06] <dvs> quarterback, I'd try to run apt
full-upgrade and see what happens
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526 [05:11:42] <quarterback> dvs, Also doing a improper shutdown
in a power off situation causes the same problem until I shutdown
the pc with a normal shutdown.
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528 [05:12:31] <quarterback> dvs, I got a prompt to select some
packages of about 888 MB in size. I'm selecting yes.
529 [05:12:42] <dvs> good
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538 [05:23:22] <jsync> Are all the Debian Stretch repositories
still online & available?
539 [05:23:32] <fadingdoppler> Yes.
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548 [05:28:13] <annadane> jsync, stretch is still fully supported
until roughly july 2020
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550 [05:28:26] <annadane> then LTS takes over
551 [05:28:41] <fadingdoppler> I use Debian 10 buster. I highly
advise upgrading if you can.
552 [05:29:10] <fadingdoppler> Packages are newer. I would like
to see firefox-developer-edition in the repository though. Maybe it
could happen in Debian 11?
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555 [05:30:57] <joepublic> so, a newer version has newer packages
than an older version?
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557 [05:31:04] <fadingdoppler> Yes, in most cases.
558 [05:31:05] <jsync> I'm working with 32bit because
I'm in the middle of a big project. I would like to keep using
32 bit actually.
559 [05:31:17] <fadingdoppler> Can't you port it over?
560 [05:31:38] <jsync> fadingdoppler, I'm not sure, not
actually.
561 [05:31:40] <fadingdoppler> Once you're done with your
project, you should upgrade to amd64.
562 [05:31:47] <jsync> I've not ported software before, not
actually.
563 [05:31:51] <fadingdoppler> 32-bit apps will still work.
564 [05:32:14] <fadingdoppler> Debian is multilib, so both
architectures will work (x86 and amd64). PowerPC will not, same with
RISC and others.
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570 [05:35:24] <nyov> 32bit isn't always bad. it can even be
faster
571 [05:35:46] <fadingdoppler> ^Citation needed
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573 [05:36:45] <jsync> It's a project I've been working
on for years & years. I just haven't used 64 bit OS yet,
not actually.
574 [05:37:07] <fadingdoppler> Well, you're limited to 4GB
of RAM.
575 [05:37:32] <jsync> I thought to just get all the stable 32
bit files I could & keep using my 32 bit system for a while
longer.
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578 [05:41:15] <nyov> yes you're limited in address space,
which may or may not matter. but the instructions are simply half
the size. it will depend on the code you're running
579 [05:42:06] <nyov> fadingdoppler: don't have a good cite.
I can give you this:
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585 [05:45:44] <annadane> you don't have to use debian
packages
586 [05:45:55] <annadane> just extract the firefox dev edition
tarball
587 [05:46:28] <annadane> but, yeah, the closer you get to
oldstable stopping getting fully supported, the more compelling the
reasons to update...
588 [05:48:14] <jsync> So, the Debian 64 bit system identifies
itself with "amd64"?
589 [05:48:56] <annadane> yeo
590 [05:49:01] <annadane> yep*
591 [05:49:04] <nyov> on and amd64 platform. which is pretty much
all amd+intel cpu's these days
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628 [06:20:12] <quarterback> It seems to have worked after doing
full-upgrade
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638 [06:22:59] <uxfi> test
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655 [06:43:26] <nightqueen> how reliable are UUID for mapped
devices?
656 [06:43:46] <jsync> I have an old school Xserver error:
Screens found, though none of them have a usable configuration.
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658 [06:44:16] <quadrathoch2> nightqueen, they are very reliable,
and nowadays the preferred way
659 [06:45:20] <jm_> jsync: there must be some other error
resulting in that one
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662 [06:47:01] <nightqueen> quadrathoch2: where are they stored?
In the partition table? Or somewhere in the partition itself? does
the ext4 header have a field for an UUID, or what's going on?
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664 [06:47:29] <jm_> in some cases FS stores it, in other cases
intermediate block layer stores it
665 [06:47:59] <nightqueen> intermediate block layers? where?
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667 [06:48:45] <jm_> say LUKS
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670 [06:50:14] <nightqueen> ooooooo
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673 [06:51:25] <nightqueen> thanks!
674 [06:51:42] <nightqueen> missing the school bus, gotta grab my
lunch box and run
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715 [07:16:59] <jsync> jm_, I've abandoned trying to figure
it out for the night. I'm using the black screen & console
commands. :/
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717 [07:17:39] <cq1> Hey folks. I just updated to Debian 10 and
now the trackpad disables while typing, which I hate. Does anyone
know how to change this behavior?
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719 [07:17:59] <jsync> I installed screen & ssh. I might not
use video on that machine, not actually. Thinking about my
rudimentary skill level with the terminal & my years of time
spent on my machines, I'm thinking to work around the desktop
gui.
720 [07:18:19] <jm_> jsync: maybe put your X logfile to the paste
site so we can take a look
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723 [07:19:46] <quadrathoch2> cq1, which DE are you using?
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725 [07:20:44] <jsync> jm_, I would, though I'm not sure how
I would export it, not actually.
726 [07:21:09] <jsync> Oh. Yeah, I could mount a pen drive if I
were able to out of the terminal commands.
727 [07:21:28] <jm_> jsync: no networking on that system?
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730 [07:21:50] <jsync> jm_, It's local network.
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733 [07:22:13] <cq1> quadrathoch2: I'm running Mate and i3
734 [07:22:34] <cq1> Er... sorry, just i3. The Mate thing is
irrelevant.
735 [07:22:43] <quadrathoch2> cq1, sorry can't help you as I
don't use those
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737 [07:23:50] <jm_> jsync: ok, mounting an USB drive should be
trivial, plug it in, check which device it is, lsblk or blkid or cat
/proc/partitions, mkdir /tmp/u && mount /dev/sdx1 /tmp/u
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740 [07:27:52] <cq1> Okay, I got it. "xinput set-prop 16 315
0" worked.
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768 [07:45:57] <jsync> mount /dev/sda gets "Can't find
sda in fstab or mtab".
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770 [07:46:07] <jsync> See, I need practice with this.
771 [07:46:08] <jsync> :)
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775 [07:47:31] <jm_> sda? unusual for your USB drive to be sda,
but anyway, unlikely you have FS directly on the drive, you most
likely have a partition on it so /dev/sdX1 and specify mount point,
see my commands above
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784 [07:52:31] <bigterd> running buster, 64bit, clamscan -v just
hangs. been a few days. is that normal?
785 [07:52:47] <bigterd> it's been scanning a text file the
past week as well. is there a bug?
786 [07:52:55] <bigterd> ha, pun intended.
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788 [07:54:11] <jm_> have you checked its CPU time? or its list
of open files?
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790 [07:55:42] <bigterd> it's only attached to the one file
i'm scanning, a few kilobytes, and it's destroying one cpu
core, 100%
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793 [07:56:46] <jsync> jm_, those instructions seem vague to me.
794 [07:57:12] <jsync> I need to read. I'll post about the
xorg.conf file tomorrow.
795 [07:57:18] <jm_> doesn't sound right to me, but then
again, I never used clamav - I would check its stacktrace
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797 [07:57:24] <jm_> jsync: which ones specifically?
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799 [07:58:55] <bigterd> it's been a while since i've
used clamav myself, probably back in the sarge days, but no,
something is weird.
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801 [08:00:08] <jsync> Is there a way to emulate a screen for a
server at startup & all the way through to a ssh connection out
of a terminal within a separate machine?
802 [08:00:42] <jsync> i.e. Is there a means of using a server
without a video output?
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804 [08:01:32] <jm_> jsync: for video card output no, but there
are things like serial console or net console
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806 [08:02:12] <jm_> (well at least not without additional
hardware for the former)
807 [08:02:44] <jsync> I mean, via ssh I could use the server
without the video, though at startup I need to login, etc.
808 [08:03:09] <quadrathoch2> jsync, it depends at which stage
you want to login
809 [08:03:27] <quadrathoch2> sth like fde doesn't work
through ssh as ssh isn't up before that
810 [08:04:16] <jsync> Yeah. I'd like to get away without
the video output, if potential. That's what I mean. Controlling
the server remotely through a separate machine terminal.
811 [08:04:26] <jm_> you don't need to login at startup for
it to be operational, you can just ssh to it remotely
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814 [08:06:06] <jm_> if you want GUI there are means for that
too, i.e. VNC and so on
815 [08:06:09] <quadrathoch2> jsync, it really depends on what
managing means to you. If you want to go to the bios/uefi, it
doesn't work without extra hardware. If you want to login after
network (and ssh) are up, you just need to configure ssh
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818 [08:09:48] <jsync> Well, I'm putting off installing
& setting up a second server because I need a simple kvm switch
& cheap video card for the video & mouse to work. I wish I
could work around that.
819 [08:10:20] <jm_> just get used to managing it via CLI and
you'll never look back
820 [08:10:40] <jm_> so you'll only need keybaord and video
for initial install
821 [08:10:43] <jsync> What would be uber cool would be an app
for my phone or something.
822 [08:10:59] <jsync> CLI?
823 [08:11:04] <jm_> command line
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826 [08:12:11] <jsync> Yeah. That's why I eased up about the
xorg.conf file. I have basic knowledge with the terminal, though
it's really novice compared to my experience within the gui. I
need to hone my skills.
827 [08:12:45] <jsync> It's like when a guy has been playing
guitar for 10 years & realizes he can just play basic chords
& power chords. I need to hone my skills.
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829 [08:13:47] <hello23786a> hello every...one
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832 [08:18:16] <jsync> Is there a usb video output adapter that
could be used with a cell phone or tablet?
833 [08:19:08] <jsync> Then I could just plugin my tablet at
startup; Get the machines logged in; & ssh my world processes
up. :D
834 [08:19:22] <pandakekok9> Hi, is anyone experiencing crashes
in Firefox 72.0.2-2 in sid?
835 [08:19:24] <jm_> so a phone would work as a monitor?
don't think so, the other way works AFAIK
836 [08:19:32] <pandakekok9> I can't open my firefox
837 [08:19:45] <pandakekok9> Idk if this issue is debian-specific
or upstream
838 [08:19:59] <at0m> pandakekok9: open it from a
console/terminal, and see the output there
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840 [08:20:14] <jm_> ,versions firefox
841 [08:20:15] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 72.0.2-1
842 [08:20:23] <jm_> where did you get -2 from?
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844 [08:20:37] <at0m> ,v firefox-esr
845 [08:20:38] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch:
60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1;
buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.4.0esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch-security: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates:
68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
68.4.1esr-1;
846 [08:20:39] <judd> sid: 68.4.2esr-1
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848 [08:21:02] <at0m> pandakekok9: also, firefox --safe-mode
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850 [08:21:38] <pandakekok9> at0m: safe mode doesn't work
851 [08:21:46] <at0m> pandakekok9: but that firefox isn't
debian also, for sid, go to OFTC network and #debian-next
852 [08:21:49] <jm_> !bts #949647
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854 [08:22:06] <pandakekok9> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump
cloned child 3319
855 [08:22:09] <pandakekok9>
ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to
child
856 [08:22:11] <pandakekok9>
ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue
signal...
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858 [08:22:20] <at0m> !sid
859 [08:22:20] <dpkg> from memory, sid is the codename for
<unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.
The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to
keep ALL the pieces!!
860 [08:22:21] <pandakekok9> at0m: Ok will do
861 [08:22:26] <jm_> see the above bug report, learn to use BTS
if you intend to use sid
862 [08:22:37] <JackFrost> #949644, #949645 and #949646. :P
863 [08:23:14] <JackFrost> tl;dr: Downgrade libsqlite.
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879 [08:29:29] <pandakekok9> JackFrost: Thanks a lot, it worked!
:D
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895 [08:34:18] <Kryo_Genics> sup
896 [08:34:20] <Kryo_Genics> anyone on here?
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899 [08:37:08] <jm_> maybe
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903 [08:38:48] <at0m> dpkg: tell Kryo_Genics about ask
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905 [08:39:35] <Kryo_Genics> lol
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1163 [09:12:23] <rdz> hey all. is there an upgrade path for a
corosync pacemaker cluster from debian stretch to buster? it seems
the two corosync versions refuse to talk to each other
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1165 [09:13:11] <rdz> i wonder if there is an upgrade path without
interruption of the services
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1187 [09:30:37] <khreshgsye> after my last update my desktop is
getting reset at reboot. the desktop wallpaper becomes default and
the desktop icons lose theur custiom position . what can it be ?
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1191 [09:34:55] <Haohmaru> which DE?
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1194 [09:36:33] <jsync> What server is this channel on? I thought
freenode.
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1196 [09:36:49] <at0m> jsync: that's correct
1197 [09:36:56] <at0m> though there's another on OFTC
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1201 [09:37:57] <at0m> !fact sharing
1202 [09:37:57] <dpkg> I show the same facts on both
<freenode> and <OFTC>. If you update a fact on one
network, it will show up on the other network.
1203 [09:38:06] <JackFrost> Most Debian channels are on OFTC,
including #debian-next which is for testing/sid.
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1205 [09:38:14] <Haohmaru> jsync you're in the freenode
network, made up of multiple servers
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1210 [09:39:34] <jsync> I downloaded an app for my tablet.
I'm on Freenode #debian. I typed "Hello", & nada.
1211 [09:40:02] <khreshgsye> Haohmaru: LXDE is my DE
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1214 [09:41:06] <Haohmaru> khreshgsye are you sure you ran an LXDE
session from the login manager? maybe it's akchually openbox or
something.. or you logged in as another user
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1216 [09:41:21] <Haohmaru> jsync which app?
1217 [09:42:39] <jsync> Haohmaru, "IRC Radio".
1218 [09:43:05] <Haohmaru> o_O
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1220 [09:43:31] <Haohmaru> are you just trying to connect to IRC
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1305 [09:47:34] <jsync> Haohmaru, yes.
1306 [09:47:44] <Haohmaru> what OS u got there?
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1318 [09:52:41] <jsync> Haohmaru, it keeps updating. It's a
Samsung Galaxy Tab A.
1319 [09:53:27] <Haohmaru> i'm not familiar with tablets, is
it a crapdroid? ;P~
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1321 [09:54:49] <dynek> Hey! is anyone running lego on buster? do
we really have to upgrade to bullseye like now to benefit from
version 3.2 (instead of 0.3.1)? Problem is 0.3 doesn't support
ACMEv2.
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1323 [09:55:07] <jm_> dynek: you could try and backport it
1324 [09:55:18] <jsync> It's an android.
1325 [09:55:23] <jm_> ,checkbackport lego
1326 [09:55:40] <judd> Backporting package lego in
sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12),
golang-github-cenkalti-backoff-dev (>= 3.1.1~),
golang-github-nrdcg-goinwx-dev, golang-github-ovh-go-ovh-dev,
golang-github-vultr-govultr-dev, golang-gopkg-square-go-jose.v2-dev.
1327 [09:55:48] <jm_> ok maybe not :)
1328 [09:56:04] <dynek> ;-)
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1337 [09:58:13] <jsync2> Hello
1338 [09:58:35] <jsync2> 😁
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1341 [09:59:53] <Haohmaru> jsync for crapdroid i found just one
irc client that didn't suck (IMO) and it was yaiic i think
1342 [10:00:25] <jsync2> I finally got this app connected.
1343 [10:03:52] <jsync2> my outside Network machine is with in the
other room.
1344 [10:04:37] <at0m> jsync: /msg nickserv help group, and then
we can close this round of general irc support (commonly #freenode)
here maybe. for chat, #debian-offtopic, ##chat.
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1363 [10:21:13] <Aebian> quadrathoch2: seems like my issues with
the new kernel are solved. No problems so far and it even seems that
my laptop handles heat management better now
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1378 [10:33:47] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, awesome :)
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1383 [10:36:12] <jsync2> I have a server with 20gb of RAM. Will a
64 bit install of Debian Stretch allow me to utilize that RAM?
1384 [10:37:35] <OPK> 64 bit should, if not just creat a swapfile
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1388 [10:38:00] <jim> jsync2, what cpu you got?
1389 [10:38:19] <jsync2> Jim, dual Xeons.
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1391 [10:39:28] <jim> hmm, I don't actually remember what
those are
1392 [10:40:02] <jim> but sounds like you do know :)
1393 [10:40:02] <OPK> just run # dmidecode |grep -i "Maximum
Capacity:" | uniq
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1397 [10:41:54] <jsync2> dmidecode not found
1398 [10:42:23] <jim> ,find bin/dmidecode
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1400 [10:42:29] <judd> Search for bin/dmidecode in buster/amd64:
dmidecode: usr/sbin/dmidecode
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1402 [10:42:56] <jim> you can apt install dmidecode if you want
1403 [10:44:03] <jsync2> I'm using debian wheezy.
1404 [10:44:31] <jim> you can also upgrade that pretty easily if
you want
1405 [10:44:44] <jm_> you will be able to use all of that RAM yes,
and consider upgrading that system
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1411 [10:45:41] <jim> !codenames
1412 [10:45:42] <dpkg> Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1),
rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody
(3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy
(7) jessie (8) stretch (9) buster (10) and sid=Unstable.
"lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a
Debian system's codename.
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1413 [10:46:10] <jsync2> output suggests 64gb
1414 [10:46:22] <jim> so your upgrade path is wheezy (7) jessie
(8) stretch (9) buster (10)
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1419 [10:47:28] <jsync2> I would install Stretch or Buster, though
I'm not sure I need to.
1420 [10:47:29] <jim> one not mentioned there is bullseye (11)
1421 [10:47:42] <jim> ok
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1425 [10:48:46] <jim> bullseye is currently testing... it's
the next one to be released, when it's ready to be
1426 [10:49:12] <jsync2> Somebody said earlier that 32 bit systems
can just utilize 4gb of RAM.
1427 [10:49:24] <OPK> thats right
1428 [10:49:43] <ratrace> that's not right
1429 [10:49:48] <OPK> 8
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1432 [10:50:02] <jsync2> Well, this 32 bit Wheezy server gave
output of 64gb.
1433 [10:50:06] <ratrace> PAE kernels can utilize much more, but
individual processes can't take more than ~4G
1434 [10:50:11] <jim> jsync2, if it hasn't happened already,
wheezy has been moved off the mirrors, and is available on
archive.debian.org
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1438 [10:51:16] <OPK> hmm didnt know any 32 bit could use more
than 4, but we just use to create a decent size swp file which
worked fine
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1440 [10:51:22] <jsync2> jim, I ran into that issue earlier
tonight when looking for the nvidia drivers for Wheezy.
1441 [10:51:25] <ratrace> jsync2: 64G is max that 32-bit kernels
can address.
1442 [10:52:16] <jsync2> My system said 64gb Maximum Capacity.
1443 [10:52:27] <ratrace> yes.
1444 [10:52:36] <jsync2> is that hardware wise perhaps?
1445 [10:52:38] <ratrace> jsync2: you should really upgrade to
Buster.
1446 [10:52:46] <jim> so then you must have updated your
sources.list accordingly?
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1448 [10:52:51] <jm_> yes hardware wise
1449 [10:53:03] <jsync2> aha jm_
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1453 [10:53:43] <jsync2> So, it's still limited to the 4 or
8gbs?
1454 [10:54:42] <quadrathoch2> jsync2, it's limited to 4gigs
per process
1455 [10:55:05] <jsync2> I'll backup my databases & other
files & upgrade then.
1456 [10:55:08] <jm_> just use a 64bit release on such hardware
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1458 [10:56:04] <Kharec> 'morning
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1460 [10:57:09] <jsync2> jm_, Yeah. Else I would be wasting my
time with this big machine. I have a 2nd server of similar specs as
well. I'm procrastinating because of video card, keyboard &
mouse hassle.
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1462 [10:57:20] <quadrathoch2> and nowadays 64bit always runs
faster than 32bit, at least when the hw can utilize 64bit
1463 [10:59:02] <ratrace> I'd say "mostly" rather
than "always".
1464 [10:59:06] <jsync2> Buster is stable?
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1466 [10:59:48] <quadrathoch2> jsync2, that's the newest
stable yes
1467 [11:00:11] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, who knows probably, as
32bit isn't as tested anymore
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1469 [11:00:43] <asymptotically> if you don't need the
memory, i think x86_32 (not just ix86) is faster
1470 [11:00:48] <asymptotically>
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1471 [11:00:58] <quadrathoch2> asymptotically, which is still
something different
1472 [11:01:23] <quadrathoch2> as it's a
'reimplementation' of the 32bit architecture in 64bit.
which was thrown out of the kernel btw
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1475 [11:01:38] <asymptotically> oh i didn't know that they
threw it out :(
1476 [11:01:57] <quadrathoch2> asymptotically, afair, nobody used
it
1477 [11:03:00] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: it isn't, especially
not the kernel. but I'd say "mostly" instead of
"always" because not all software can utilize additional
cpu registers, and pointer-heay arithmetics can actually have
negative effects due to increased pointer size
1478 [11:03:15] <jim> jsync2, which backup program are you using?
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1484 [11:04:19] <jsync2> I've mostly done manual backups.
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1486 [11:05:00] <jsync2> today I used partimage & cloned an
old drive to a new drive though.
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1488 [11:05:14] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, even back then it
wasn't that of a big issue
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1491 [11:06:00] <jsync2> I'm not sure if my cloned drive is
bootable yet. I have yet to test it.
1492 [11:06:28] <zphinx> Anyone know a good way of checking failed
cifs mounts? working against an isilon cluster here that has round
robin enabled, and at there is no way to see against what node ip
the cifs mount failed.
1493 [11:06:48] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: yea, but depends on the
workload.
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1497 [11:07:03] <jim> jsync2, I've been using borg backup
(futistance is retile)
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1501 [11:07:28] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, whatever, if you want
stick to 32bit then
1502 [11:07:34] <at0m> quadrathoch2: lots of ARM is 32bit, for
example
1503 [11:07:51] <jsync2> I like 32 bit
1504 [11:07:52] <quadrathoch2> at0m, that's a total other
topic
1505 [11:07:56] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: I won't,
wouldn't, just saying it's not "always".
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1509 [11:08:45] <jsync2> Cybernetic developments would have a
maximum sufficiency. I like 32 bit.
1510 [11:09:06] <jim> it's actually pretty good, it has this
dedup thing it does, so that when you make subsequent backups of the
same dir, it doesn't store unchanged files twice, and that
-really- stretches out your backup storage
1511 [11:09:20] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, well if you show me a
relevant program that is used in production which suffice 4 gigs of
ram, and is faster...
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1513 [11:09:45] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: I never made that
statement so I don't know why you want _me_ to do that.
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1516 [11:10:22] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, I was just trying to say,
that even if it's faster, there shouldn't be no usecase
for running 32bit anymore
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1519 [11:11:00] <quadrathoch2> especially with the OS running in
32bit mode
1520 [11:11:18] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: I do agree with you,
32-bit must die.
1521 [11:11:31] <jsync2> jim, I typically don't make backups.
I started reading about it a few days ago & I'm sort of
frantically trying to stabilize old systems for functionality. I
have big projects within those systems.
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1523 [11:12:07] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, I wouldn't say die,
but put it in the back
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1525 [11:12:42] <quadrathoch2> as there are multiple reasons (on
desktop) why someone would want 32bit. especially games
1526 [11:12:50] <jsync2> 32bit is safe for Cybernetics. 64bit
would compel dumb humans surpassing their already established
ineptitudes.
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1528 [11:13:05] <b1ack0p> hi
1529 [11:13:19] <jim> hi
1530 [11:13:28] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: but eventually even that
must be gone.
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1532 [11:13:49] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, so no chance of playing
old games anymore?
1533 [11:13:52] <jim> jsync2, it sounds like you have a use for
backing up
1534 [11:13:53] <han-solo> 2038, for those who use 32-bit
1535 [11:13:54] <quadrathoch2> or whatever program?
1536 [11:13:59] <b1ack0p> i dont wanna annoy with my questions but
i am having an odd problem
1537 [11:14:01] <jsync2> retrace, why? How old are you?
1538 [11:14:08] <ratrace> over 40, why?
1539 [11:14:25] <jim> b1ack0p, add one, it'll be even!
1540 [11:14:31] <b1ack0p> ok then
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1542 [11:14:48] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: can you play 16-bit games
now?
1543 [11:14:48] <jsync2> What about the older guys that have used
32 bit all their lives?
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1546 [11:15:12] <ratrace> jsync2: y'all are free to maintain
32-bit packaging and kernel and everything else, then :) don't
expect others to do that.
1547 [11:15:17] <jim> seriously, you can ask your question... as
usual, add lots of informative details
1548 [11:15:27] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, depends, as there is still
wine, dosbox etc
1549 [11:15:39] <jsync2> I supposed that most 64 bit protagonists
were under age of 30.
1550 [11:15:42] <b1ack0p> yesterday i realised that caps lock led
indicator light doesnt work on command line for old models of
thinkpads.. i tested x40 - t42 and x61s which led indicator lights
places on lcd bezel
1551 [11:15:49] <mattia> morning all. looking for some help on
debian cloud images
1552 [11:15:59] <mattia> more specifically the openstack one
1553 [11:16:16] <b1ack0p> capslock key is working but just led
light indicator doesnt work only in tty/console
1554 [11:16:18] <quadrathoch2> just ask away mattia, if somebody
can help you they will write
1555 [11:16:18] <mattia> having an issue with cloud-init
1556 [11:16:19] <ratrace> jsync2: that's the problem of ass
umption. :)
1557 [11:16:24] <b1ack0p> works fine in other environments and
desktop
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1559 [11:16:53] <jsync2> 😎
1560 [11:16:55] <b1ack0p> how can i fix this odd issue?
1561 [11:17:00] <ratrace> jsync2: nothing wrong with 32-bit arch
per se. problem is in maintenance.
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1563 [11:17:46] <jim> b1ack0p, has the light ever worked
1564 [11:17:48] <jim> ?
1565 [11:17:59] <b1ack0p> jim: yes it works fine except tty
1566 [11:18:00] <inch> To keep using 32bit, use X32 instead of
i386. Gets you more registers but, saves memory with shorter
pointers.
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1568 [11:18:22] <jim> not sure I understand
1569 [11:18:23] <jsync2> I was planning to keep my 32 bit local
network systems functional.
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1572 [11:18:49] <mattia> basically cloud-init on Debian images is
behaving weirdly: it sets the interface value it receives via DHCP
as static values in the conf file (50-cloud-init.cfg)
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1574 [11:19:00] <quadrathoch2> inch, x32 is not in the kernel
anymore
1575 [11:19:03] <b1ack0p> jim: in old models of thinkpad status
indicator lights are placed on lcd bezel including capslock
indicator light
1576 [11:19:19] <b1ack0p> it doesnt function while i am on
tty/command line
1577 [11:19:36] <b1ack0p> it works fine in other environments just
not in tty
1578 [11:19:55] <mattia> on top of I wonder why debian as dhcp
enabled by default in the interfaces file for some 3 interfaces
(eth0-2)
1579 [11:19:57] <jim> do you mean virtual console?
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1584 [11:20:12] <b1ack0p> jim: command line
1585 [11:20:19] <b1ack0p> linux without desktop environment
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1589 [11:20:44] <jim> or any graphics?
1590 [11:20:55] <m0rd3cai> Does anyone know the name of the
packaged web browser that comes with debian?
1591 [11:20:55] <b1ack0p> no graphics
1592 [11:20:58] <b1ack0p> just command line
1593 [11:21:01] <jim> ok
1594 [11:21:08] <b1ack0p> tty
1595 [11:21:26] <jim> what about when you have a desktop
environment, and you use xterm?
1596 [11:21:43] <jim> or konsole
1597 [11:21:46] <quadrathoch2> m0rd3cai, do you mean like
firefox-esr?
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1599 [11:21:48] <b1ack0p> jim: well in desktop environment
capslock indicator light works fine
1600 [11:21:50] <jsync2> m0rd3cai, it's "firefox".
1601 [11:22:04] <b1ack0p> i am using xfce normally
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1604 [11:22:14] <b1ack0p> never tried xterm but used xfce terminal
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1608 [11:23:07] <jim> ok, I see, so when you use a terminal
program that shows up in a window, caps lock light works fine
1609 [11:23:10] <m0rd3cai> no, I use firefox. Its the stupid web
browse\\\
1610 [11:23:18] <retr0_> hi
1611 [11:23:22] <jim> hi
1612 [11:23:46] <b1ack0p> jim: exactly
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1614 [11:23:59] <b1ack0p> i just tried xterm on xfce DE and
capslock indicator led light works fine
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1616 [11:24:08] <retr0_> i wonna ask something about debian
1617 [11:24:12] <b1ack0p> just not in tty/command line
1618 [11:24:20] <jim> retr0_, ask away
1619 [11:24:40] <retr0_> old version of kernel can't run in
new hardware
1620 [11:25:03] <jim> b1ack0p, the tty/cmd line thing is called a
"virtual console" (vc)
1621 [11:25:12] <b1ack0p> ok then
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1624 [11:26:16] <jim> the vc code is in the kernel... I'm not
sure what they do to disable it, or what x terminals do to enable it
1625 [11:26:43] <b1ack0p> is it related with acpi or something?
1626 [11:26:57] <jim> no clue, myself
1627 [11:26:58] <b1ack0p> or just ignored to update on old
machines?
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1629 [11:27:28] <Freekid> hi can i ask lets encrypt question here?
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1631 [11:27:52] <Freekid> when I use the domain name the lock is
green but when i use the ip to enter into site the lock is yellow
1632 [11:28:00] <jim> Freekid, probably... or, there's a
channel called ##letsencrypt here
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1634 [11:29:07] <jim> the domain name is connected to the cert,
the ip is not
1635 [11:29:35] <Freekid> so is it possible to add the ip to the
cert?
1636 [11:29:54] <ratrace> Freekid: no
1637 [11:30:06] <m0rd3cai> appreciate the input, im seeing double.
its time to go to bed...
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1639 [11:30:15] <Freekid> so the ip will always show yellow?
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1641 [11:30:26] <jim> yeah me too; nite folks
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1643 [11:30:31] <ratrace> Freekid: why do you even want to access
the TLS'd site via IP only?
1644 [11:30:31] <Freekid> there is no fix
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1648 [11:30:45] <Freekid> because its my homeip
1649 [11:30:57] <ratrace> Freekid: there's "dyndns"
services for that
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1651 [11:32:17] <Freekid> I access the service via lan ip
1652 [11:32:59] <b1ack0p> brb reboot
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1654 [11:33:26] <ratrace> Freekid: is it constant IP?
1655 [11:33:34] <Freekid> yes
1656 [11:33:39] <Freekid> static
1657 [11:33:42] <ratrace> Freekid: so how on EARTH do you get LE
to validate that?!
1658 [11:34:00] <ratrace> Freekid: meanwhile, add an entry to
/etc/hosts for your IP
1659 [11:34:06] <ratrace> the same name you got LE to validate
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1661 [11:34:40] <jsync2> retrace, it's probably for a local
network. I set a static ip for mine as well.
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1665 [11:35:17] <jsync2> retrace, alias works for that as well.
1666 [11:35:18] <ratrace> jsync2: and how does LetsEncrypt
validate that? something's fishy here
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1668 [11:35:28] <ratrace> LE requires a publicly accessible domain
name
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1671 [11:35:45] <Freekid> I have a domain name setup for the
network
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1674 [11:35:51] <Freekid> LE validated that
1675 [11:36:02] <Freekid> but when I access via ip the lock is
yellw
1676 [11:36:02] <jsync2> Right, Freekid.
1677 [11:36:25] <Freekid> the when i access via the domain the
lock is green
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1679 [11:36:43] <quadrathoch2> Freekid, if you need the green
lock, just use the fqdn?
1680 [11:36:54] <ratrace> Freekid: if LE validated that, then just
use the domain name LE used
1681 [11:37:00] <jsync2> Freekid, did you setup a dyn?
1682 [11:37:12] <jsync2> a dns**
1683 [11:37:16] <Freekid> yes
1684 [11:37:22] <Freekid> I used duckdns
1685 [11:37:37] <Freekid>
replaced-url
1686 [11:37:50] <jsync2> Yeah. That one's easy to configure.
1687 [11:37:59] <quadrathoch2> so just use the duckdns domain
1688 [11:38:03] <Freekid> No
1689 [11:38:10] <jsync2> Freekid, it's a local network?
1690 [11:38:10] <Freekid> I want both green
1691 [11:38:15] <Freekid> yes local network
1692 [11:38:17] <ratrace> Freekid: if LE validated that, then just
use the domain name LE used
1693 [11:38:23] <ratrace> the same domain name
1694 [11:38:43] <ratrace> stick it in your /etc/hosts if you no
longer have a public DNS resolving it, but you'll have problems
again in 90 days.
1695 [11:38:54] <quadrathoch2> Freekid, as you can't
certificate the ip address, you got no other way
1696 [11:39:06] <ratrace> it'd be WAY better to just use a
self-signed certificate and have your clients accept and store its
fingerprint.
1697 [11:39:16] <jsync2> "alias"
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1701 [11:41:17] <b1ack0p> hi again
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1704 [11:41:47] <b1ack0p> jim: sorry pinging you but i guess i
found a bug report about capslock problem in console :
replaced-url
1705 [11:41:48] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1707 [11:41:51] <Freekid> ratrace " have your clients accept
and store its fingerprint." you mean my browsers?
1708 [11:42:20] <b1ack0p> some suggested different solutions but i
am not sure which one works and how to apply them
1709 [11:42:31] <ratrace> Freekid: yes, client programs (in
client-server meaning)
1710 [11:42:50] <jsync2> Freekid, I would think that
"alias" would solve your issue. You would need to change
your alias to reflect your ip.
1711 [11:42:50] <b1ack0p> problem still occurs with buster also as
it has been reported in same bug
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1713 [11:43:08] <Freekid> ok jsync
1714 [11:43:19] <ratrace> Freekid: because you can set long
expiration date for self-signed certs. LE is valid for 90 days so
you'll have the same hassle every 90 days
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1716 [11:43:45] <Freekid> There is a script ratrace I think it
will do it automatically
1717 [11:43:58] <ratrace> Freekid: but I still don't
understand something. LE requires publicly accessbile service with a
name in public DNS. If that exists, why can't you keep on using
the publicly accessible domain name?
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1721 [11:44:39] <Freekid> I dont know I am like this. I want both
:/
1722 [11:44:47] <ratrace> Freekid: "both" what?
1723 [11:44:48] <jsync2> Yeah. The issue seems inconsistent.
1724 [11:44:56] <Freekid> ip and dns
1725 [11:45:05] <Freekid> to be green
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1727 [11:45:07] <ratrace> Freekid: you can't, so how are you
gonna adapt to this?
1728 [11:45:18] <Freekid> alias?
1729 [11:45:21] <ratrace> "alias"?
1730 [11:45:28] <Freekid> <jsync2> Freekid, I would think
that "alias" would solve your issue. You would need to
change your alias to reflect your ip.
1731 [11:45:32] <jsync2> Yeah, alias.
1732 [11:45:36] <ratrace> what is "alias"
1733 [11:45:47] <jsync2> man alias
1734 [11:46:13] <ratrace> No manual entry for alias
1735 [11:46:26] <jsync2> 😮
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1737 [11:47:04] <ratrace> jsync2: why don't you explain it to
me in 140 characters or less.
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1739 [11:47:07] <jsync2> Somebody told me about alias. I thought
there would be a man page.
1740 [11:47:07] <ratrace> a tweet.
1741 [11:47:21] <ratrace> so you have NO idea yourself and are
parroting something you may've heard. nice.
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1743 [11:48:02] <jsync2> alias allows you to set an alias ip
address that redirects to your system ip.
1744 [11:48:10] <ratrace> set it _where_
1745 [11:48:16] <beardy> ratrace: alias is part of the bash shell;
'help alias' will give you the builtin help. Also
'man bash' and search for "alias".
1746 [11:48:28] <beardy> I meant jsync2 ^^^
1747 [11:48:38] <ratrace> beardy: I know the shell alias yeah, but
this is something about DNS or IP
1748 [11:48:55] <ratrace> jsync2: oh you mean ADDITIONAL IP on a
NIC? that has nothing to do with the problem Freekid is having.
1749 [11:48:58] <beardy> Oh.. 'man 5 interfaces'.
1750 [11:49:09] <ratrace> Freekid wants the impossible: a LE
certificate that validates an IP. they don't do that. period.
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1753 [11:50:59] <Freekid> But I think i have seen green locked
public ip
1754 [11:51:16] <ratrace> even if you had, LetsEncrypt will not
allow that.
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1757 [11:51:33] <Freekid> So they are using something else
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1759 [11:52:24] <beardy> I'm not sure what you are trying to
accomplish really. Set the correct PTR, the same as your domain?
1760 [11:52:36] <ratrace> Freekid: I don't know if OpenSSL
would allow that, and if it would then, again, a self signed cert is
your solution.
1761 [11:53:00] <Freekid> ok
1762 [11:53:00] <ratrace> beardy: or even better, like I
suggested, put the domain name with a LAN ip in /etc/hosts, problem
solved.
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1765 [11:53:26] <Freekid> ^cool ill try that
1766 [11:53:28] <ratrace> but this smells of BS. LE requires
public IP + publicly available domain. it is impossible to validate
it without it. so if public IP and public domain exist .....
where's the problem?
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1768 [11:53:44] <ratrace> and if you want LAN IP for the PUBLIC
domain ----- stick it in /etc/hosts
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1770 [11:54:36] <jsync2> Imma log for the night. Piece.
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1772 [11:56:01] <beardy> You can most likely not validate
something that only exists on an RFC1918 address ("LAN
IP") no. And if you have problems reaching it from within your
LAN via the A record due to your router not letting you go out, then
return back without coming from the "outside" - use
/etc/hosts as suggested.
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1774 [11:59:48] <jelly> LE has two validation apis: http-01 and
dns-01; if you have control of public authoritative dns for your
domain you can use dns-01 to get certs for any named service,
whether the service itself is public or not
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1777 [12:01:41] <sk_tandt> Greetings! I'm pushing a DNS
record through an OpenVPN, and oddly enough Windows system behave as
predicted, but a Debian does not
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1779 [12:01:52] <sk_tandt> It simply doesn't care to try all
the nameservers in resolv.conf
1780 [12:02:02] <sk_tandt> e.g. nslookup test-domain.internal
=> server can't find test-domain.internal: NXDOMAIN ||
nslookup test-domain.internal 10.8.0.1 => all's fine
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1784 [12:03:15] <jm_> man nslookup says Look up information for
host using the current default server- note how it's not
plural, try with getent instead
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1786 [12:03:37] <jelly> sk_tandt: pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf
and output of "strace getent hosts test-domain.internal"
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1788 [12:04:07] <jelly> nslookup does not really do the same thing
your other apps do.
1789 [12:04:25] <jelly> "dig" is a better tool
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1791 [12:05:24] <teclo-> I can confirm that, dig does much much
more and better that host or nslookup
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1797 [12:06:38] <sk_tandt>
replaced-url
1798 [12:07:16] <sk_tandt> It's normal that it is looking for
kinesis.tet, it's the actual domain I am trying to point
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1800 [12:09:08] <jelly> sk_tandt: nameserver entries are used in
order. If the first one says the domain (host name, really) does not
exist, then resolver library takes that as a definitive answer and
does not look further
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1802 [12:09:53] <sk_tandt> Lovely! I suppose I need a way to push
my DNS nameserver as the first one in the list, as the ISP one is a
bit beyond my reach
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1804 [12:09:58] <sk_tandt> Thanks!
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1806 [12:10:39] <jelly> sk_tandt: corolary: if you have a VPN
service, it absolutely needs to put its own nameserver FIRST. If the
service uses "resolvconf" package and tool this is done
automatically. If it's set up via NetworkManager I _think N-M
does the same thing, too.
1807 [12:10:53] <jelly> yes, precisely
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1810 [12:11:51] <jelly> tho I think N-M sets up local dnsmasq and
can have a proper split dns setup.
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1813 [12:12:27] <jelly> (with queries for domain foo going to one
server, queries for everything else going to other, etc)
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1815 [12:16:20] <sk_tandt> Worked like a charm. Thank you so much!
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1825 [12:22:56] <jelly> sk_tandt: further reading ;-), man 5
resolver
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1935 [13:26:53] <quarterback> How do I check if I'm running
gnome or xfce as a desktop environment?
1936 [13:27:39] <Haohmaru> if it's ugly - it's gnome ;P~
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1938 [13:27:51] <Haohmaru> do you have titlebars on windows?
1939 [13:28:10] <quarterback> I have one taskbar on top and
another at the bottom.
1940 [13:28:37] <quadrathoch2> quarterback, then it's xfce
1941 [13:28:40] <quarterback> It looks like gnome but its
different from gnome on ubuntu.
1942 [13:28:43] <quadrathoch2> or gnome flashback
1943 [13:28:48] <jm_> loginctl to get session ID, then loginctl -a
show-session <ID> -> Desktop= line might reveal it
1944 [13:28:55] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, An older version of
gnome perhaps?
1945 [13:29:57] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, I remember that the
older version of gnome used to look like this. Having two title
bars- one at top and another at bottom.
1946 [13:30:21] <quadrathoch2> quarterback, gnome2 is so old, I am
pretty sure you are not running it
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1948 [13:30:36] <quadrathoch2> but it could still be xfce or gnome
flashback (old style gnome)
1949 [13:31:06] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, When I switch between
windows, I see the gnome look with icons on left. It seems like
gnome flashback as you said.
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1953 [13:31:47] <quadrathoch2> quarterback, do you even want that?
^^
1954 [13:31:57] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, Sometimes all windows
zoom out to become icons when I'm doing something. Then I see
gnome type interface with icons on left.
1955 [13:32:29] <diogenes_> quarterback, XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
1956 [13:32:34] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, I actually like the
Debian type GUI with top and bottom bars. The newer gnome look on
ubuntu is not so great.
1957 [13:32:35] <diogenes_> sorry: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
1958 [13:33:25] <quarterback> diogenes_, It says
GNOME-Classic:GNOME
1959 [13:33:39] <diogenes_> quarterback, then it's gnome
flashmack metacity
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1961 [13:33:44] <diogenes_> flashback*
1962 [13:33:50] <quarterback> diogenes_, You mean gnome 2?
1963 [13:34:01] <diogenes_> rather a remake of it
1964 [13:34:22] <quarterback> diogenes_, It is cool
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1973 [13:41:25] <dob1> sed '1s/etc etc/' means on first
line?
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1978 [13:41:54] <dob1> 1s
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1986 [13:42:57] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using MX Linux 19 which is
based on Debian. I want to know when will MX 19 reach its EOL....So
that I can plan a fresh download and install
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1991 [13:43:11] <dob1> yes it's first line
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1993 [13:43:56] <diogenes_> !MX-Linux | john_rambo
1994 [13:43:57] <jelly> john_rambo: you'll have to ask mx
linux people, not debian people
1995 [13:44:19] <jelly> !mxlinux
1996 [13:44:19] <dpkg> MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch;
MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported
in #debian. Seek help at
replaced-url
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1999 [13:44:34] <jelly> diogenes_: it's !tell someone about
something
2000 [13:44:34] <john_rambo> jelly, Okay
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2002 [13:45:01] <diogenes_> jelly, ok thanks, let me try.
2003 [13:45:16] <diogenes_> !tell diogenes_ about MX-Linux
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2016 [13:49:57] <samba35> i am trying to shift from linux bridge
to openvswitch
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2019 [13:50:41] <samba35> my linux bridge config is like this to
implement same on openvswitch what i will be right way
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2022 [13:51:01] <samba35>
replaced-url
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2033 [13:57:48] <f8e3> how to get a deterministic hardware print
cmd to ensure the hardware wasnt tempered with (on first sight)? is
sudo lshw > myhw.txt and comparing the txt suitable?
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2035 [13:58:38] <ksk> f8e3: eh (again..)? You really cannot
determine that, short of revesing hardware and using really advanced
methods (like microscopes)
2036 [13:58:42] <f8e3> the os and hw performing the command at
time t1 and later t2 are the same (except hw was tempere with)
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2038 [13:59:26] <ksk> see "nsa intercepted network
equipment" story.
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2043 [13:59:50] <ksk> anyone with physical access to your hardware
will most likely be able to alter it in ways you will not notice
2044 [13:59:59] <quarterback> How do I check nftables rules in
debian buster?
2045 [13:59:59] <f8e3> ksk regards yesterday, someone deeply
familiar would have pointed me to man5 sudoers and say: rootpw and
runaspw, which is EXACTLY what i was asking for!
2046 [14:00:32] <quarterback> I had set nftables rules. Now I want
to view them. Previously I had used iptables and I used to view them
using iptables -L command.
2047 [14:00:58] <quarterback> The nft command doesn't work to
view nftables rules.
2048 [14:02:09] <ksk> quarterback:
replaced-url
2049 [14:02:28] <quarterback> ksk, Thanks
2050 [14:03:07] <quarterback> ksk, When I type nft, I get bash:
nft: command not found
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2052 [14:04:08] <ksk> ,file /usr/sbin/nft
2053 [14:04:14] <judd> Search for /usr/sbin/nft in buster/amd64:
nftables: usr/sbin/nft
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2056 [14:04:29] <ksk> quarterback: are you root? how did you
become root? see
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2058 [14:04:34] <ksk> !buster su
2059 [14:04:34] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
replaced-url
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2061 [14:04:47] <quarterback> ksk, I didn't login as root,
even as root, nft is not visible.
2062 [14:05:12] <ksk> did you check /usr/sbin is set in $PATH?
2063 [14:05:22] <quarterback> ksk, No
2064 [14:05:22] <ksk> do you have nftables intsalled? :>
2065 [14:05:35] <ksk> if both evaluate to true, you will be able
to call nft
2066 [14:06:15] <ksk> f8e3: glad to hear.
2067 [14:07:57] <quarterback> ksk, I had installed nftables and
edited its conf file in /etc/
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2069 [14:08:33] <ksk> quarterback: this answers one of the two
questions
2070 [14:09:06] <ksk> the other is "how did you become root /
is /usr/sbin in $PATH" - which is kind of the same questio.
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2073 [14:10:14] <quarterback> ksk, I didn't understand that
second question about /usr/sbin
2074 [14:10:24] <Fox> quarterback: did you sudo, or sudo -i, or
su, or su- to become root ?
2075 [14:10:54] <ksk> how about the "how did you become
root" part then? ;)
2076 [14:11:08] <ksk> what the Fox says.
2077 [14:11:10] <quarterback> ksk, I am the admin on this machine.
2078 [14:11:36] <ksk> lol. yeah, I assumed you did not hack it.
see foxes remark..
2079 [14:12:12] <quarterback> Fox, I entered su to become root
2080 [14:12:21] <Fox> ok, that's your probleme
2081 [14:12:24] <Fox> -e
2082 [14:12:28] <Fox> as ksk said
2083 [14:12:29] <ksk> quarterback: then that is the problem. see
what dpkg wrote about buster su.
2084 [14:12:30] <Fox> !buster su
2085 [14:12:30] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
replaced-url
2086 [14:12:38] <Fox> read that please
2087 [14:13:20] <Fox> after reading, become root with "su
-", not just "su"
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2090 [14:14:53] <quarterback> Fox, I wanted to see a list of ip
tables rules as in iptables -L but its not showing that at all. All
I get is: table inet filter
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2094 [14:15:23] <ksk> quarterback: eh? how about replying to what
we tell you to do, instead of switching the topic again? :o
2095 [14:15:45] <quarterback> ksk, Let me go through that. I typed
before he answered. Thanks for your suggestions.
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2098 [14:18:32] <quarterback> Fox, It seems that nft tables list
gives table inet filter. I had set this inet filter in
/etc/nftables.conf. I was looking to display this filter.
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2106 [14:19:52] <Fox> never used nftables
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2109 [14:20:32] <quarterback> nftables is new to me. I am
familiarw with iptables.
2110 [14:20:41] <Fox> what does "type ntftables" answer
?
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2117 [14:21:41] <Fox> "type nft" sorry
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2120 [14:22:27] <quarterback> Fox, nft is hashed (/usr/sbin/nft).
This is after I logged in as root with su -L
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2128 [14:25:05] <Fox> ok, now the su problem is solved, I'm
afraid I can't help you with nftables, sorry
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2133 [14:26:01] <ksk> I dont know either, but the wiki is kind of
helpful, dont you think?
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2135 [14:26:21] <ksk> did you try "nft list tables
<family>" already?
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2140 [14:26:55] <quarterback> ksk, Yes, I see table inet filter
and table ip filter
2141 [14:26:58] <ksk> "family refers to a one of the
following table types: ip, arp, ip6, bridge, inet, netdev. " --
I would further assume you specified that family in
/etc/nftables.conf, so replace that.
2142 [14:27:16] <ksk> and what do you expect to see instead?
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2183 [14:56:05] <DrJ> why is sudo not a default install on buster?
2184 [14:56:15] <DrJ> isn't it best practice to have that?
2185 [14:56:23] <DrJ> just curious
2186 [14:56:30] <quadrathoch2> DrJ, it is, but only if you
don't enter a root password
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2188 [14:56:38] <DrJ> oh
2189 [14:56:46] <quadrathoch2> the second you have a root
password, it gets not installed
2190 [14:56:50] <DrJ> so when I install buster when prompted for a
root password I should just leave blank
2191 [14:56:59] <quadrathoch2> yes, so it disables root
2192 [14:57:09] <quadrathoch2> you can do that also after install
2193 [14:57:17] <quadrathoch2> just be sure you have sudo rights
2194 [14:57:18] <DrJ> I thought maybe there was some new
method/suggestion I wasn't aware of
2195 [14:57:20] <DrJ> thanks for the input
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2200 [15:01:15] <pasiz> DrJ: there is reasons to have actual root
user and there is reasons to use sudo. Fundamentally I have in every
system real root user, exept my laptops and desktop machines. In
server side sudo is only creating potential security risk that is
easily avoided by not using permission elevations.
2201 [15:01:34] <ratrace> DrJ: you should not install with
passwordless root. If you want sudo, install it yourself, but keep a
password for root.
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2230 [15:15:44] <nulleip> firefox and thunderbird do not open on
debian sid after last update... it happened with anyone else on sid?
2231 [15:16:56] <Haohmaru> this channel is for debian stable
2232 [15:16:58] <Fox> !debian-next
2233 [15:16:58] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2234 [15:17:06] <Fox> nulleip: ^^
2235 [15:17:14] <nulleip> ok, thank you
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2238 [15:19:00] <JackFrost> tl;dr: libsqlite, downgrade and
you're fine.
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2247 [15:24:21] <nulleip> yep
2248 [15:24:44] <nulleip> suspected that JackFrost, thank you
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2286 [15:43:03] <b1ack0p> is there games which can be played in
console?
2287 [15:43:36] <ratrace> colossal cave, zork
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2291 [15:43:56] <b1ack0p> hmm
2292 [15:44:08] <b1ack0p> chess?
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2294 [15:44:19] <ratrace> !info bsdgames
2295 [15:44:29] <dpkg> bsdgames: (collection of classic textual
unix games), section games, is optional. Version: 2.17-28 (sid),
Packaged size: 957 kB, Installed size: 2468 kB
2296 [15:44:42] <greycat> I didn't know dpkg had that feature
too.
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2298 [15:45:37] <inch> roguelikes such as moria, nethack
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2300 [15:45:43] <b1ack0p> how to see bsdgames after installation?
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2302 [15:46:16] <ratrace> - dpkg -L bsdgames see what's in
bins
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2304 [15:46:21] <b1ack0p> i would like dos-like games like dyna
bomberman, galaxian etc
2305 [15:46:26] <greycat> more likely in /usr/games/
2306 [15:46:53] <ratrace> b1ack0p:
replaced-url
2307 [15:47:00] <b1ack0p> they are all in .gz format
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2315 [15:49:41] <zafu> hi, I'm on unstable and today firefox
and firfox-esr refuse to start "ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump
cloned child 5171", anyone noticed that?
2316 [15:49:56] <greycat> !debian-next
2317 [15:49:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2318 [15:50:22] <zafu> thanks greycat
2319 [15:50:43] <zafu> good to see you're always manning the
stations :)
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2332 [15:55:51] <b1ack0p> what a boring day..
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2334 [15:56:30] <jelly> boring is good.
2335 [15:56:37] <b1ack0p> nope
2336 [15:56:41] <b1ack0p> boring is boring :p
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2344 [16:02:00] <section1> if you are admin is good :D
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2383 [16:21:16] <rom1v> is it just me, or Firefox is broken in
Debian sid?
2384 [16:21:22] <rom1v> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned
child 1983
2385 [16:21:28] <rom1v>
ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to
child
2386 [16:21:30] <rom1v> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal
waiting for continue signal...
2387 [16:21:47] <greycat> !debian-next
2388 [16:21:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2389 [16:21:51] <greycat> !unstable
2390 [16:21:51] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release
when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the
integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you
have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't.
replaced-url
2391 [16:21:53] <rom1v> thx
2392 [16:22:24] <rom1v> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)
2393 [16:22:33] <jelly> ellipsis
2394 [16:22:34] <rom1v> sorry, bad copy-paste
2395 [16:22:39] <rom1v> it's on OFTC :)
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2398 [16:23:54] <zafu> rom1v: apt install
libsqlite3-0=3.30.1+fossil191229-1
2399 [16:24:29] <zafu> lastest libsql broke firefox
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2401 [16:24:38] <zafu> libsqlite*
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2404 [16:25:11] <lyr> Hi there. I've a server, when
connecting via SSH it's asking me for a password change. When
there's none defined to begin with. Is there a way to work
around this ?
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2408 [16:26:32] <greycat> ask your sysadmin to remove the
password-change flags on your account
2409 [16:26:51] <greycat> or, I suppose, you could try setting a
password, although it might be tricky if there's no current
password
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2414 [16:28:18] <rom1v> zafu: E: Version
'3.30.1+fossil191229-1' for 'libsqlite3-0' was
not found
2415 [16:28:29] <jelly> lyr: if you're the admin, "man
chage" probably
2416 [16:28:53] <ksk> lyr: man 1 passwd, you are looking for the
-u option - should you be the admin and have a(nother) way of
accessing the machine.
2417 [16:29:00] <jelly> if it says it;s expired
2418 [16:29:35] <jelly> ,v libsqlite3-0
2419 [16:29:36] <judd> Package: libsqlite3-0 on amd64 -- jessie:
3.8.7.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u4; stretch:
3.16.2-5+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.27.2-3~bpo9+1; buster:
3.27.2-3; bullseye: 3.30.1+fossil191229-1; sid: 3.31.0-1
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2421 [16:29:50] <lyr> greycat: I'm the sysadmin. My mistake,
a generic security script set up "pwd max age = 60d", and
I didn't set up a password. I'm wondering If there's
a way to get rid of this prompt just so I can connect on the server
and fix it, or if I'm definitively locked out ?
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2423 [16:30:25] <greycat> either use chage as jelly suggested, or
edit the passwd or shadow file by hand
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2425 [16:31:11] <greycat> also, you never said you were actually
locked out. clearly you authenticated to ssh's standards, or
you wouldn't have got the "please change your
password" prompt in the first place.
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2427 [16:31:27] <jelly> lyr: log in as root at the console (this
is also one reason why it's good for root to have a password
set)
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2429 [16:31:44] <lyr> greycat: I'm authenticated through SSH
key, but I guess session opening throw me out because I can't
change password
2430 [16:32:04] <zafu> rom1v: you have 'testing' on your
apt sources?
2431 [16:32:16] <lyr> jelly: no console available, AWS :-S
2432 [16:32:18] <zafu> rom1v: as well as 'stable'?
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2434 [16:33:33] <rom1v> oh no I had buster and sid, I'm
adding testing
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2437 [16:33:46] <jelly> find a better provider that gives you
console access :-)
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2439 [16:34:25] <lyr> hehe... wish we weren't on AWS
2440 [16:34:30] <rom1v> thank you, my firefox is working again :)
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2442 [16:34:43] <jhutchins_wk> rom1v: That sounds like a very bad
idea, but it seems like worse ideas have already been implemented.
2443 [16:34:56] <rom1v> apt install
libsqlite3-0=3.30.1+fossil191229-1
2444 [16:35:05] <lyr> whatever, will find a way. most of those are
HA, I guess I can nuke / reboot those one by one to get the
provisionning to fix this
2445 [16:35:10] <rom1v> jhutchins_wk, what is a bad idea?
2446 [16:35:14] <ayekat> lyr: don't cloud providers provide a
mechanism for (re)setting your admin password?
2447 [16:35:27] <ayekat> after all, you install an agent on your
system to handle that sort of thing, no?
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2449 [16:35:30] * greycat waits for "I disabled direct root
logins"
2450 [16:35:33] <jhutchins_wk> rom1v: It's never good to have
more than one release in your source list.
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2452 [16:35:48] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: mmm.... not quite true...
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2454 [16:36:02] <lyr> ayekat : depends on what you do
2455 [16:36:14] <rom1v> Apparently I never had problem with that
2456 [16:36:22] <greycat> you should never have a *newer*
release's deb lines, but you can have a newer release's
deb-src lines (for ssb), or an older release's deb lines (for
old libs)
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2458 [16:36:42] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: they're on sid. If you
join the other channel where sid and testing users are supposed to
hand out, you'll see advice that RADICALLY differs from advice
for users of actual releases.
2459 [16:36:43] <lyr> ayekat : when you remove the standard admin
account you're usually on your own
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2461 [16:36:59] <ayekat> yeah, well, don't do that :-)
2462 [16:37:10] <jhutchins_wk>
replaced-url
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2465 [16:37:24] <ayekat> (but otherwise I agree with: "there
should be a way to access the console")
2466 [16:37:35] <lyr> yep
2467 [16:38:07] <lyr> previous jobs, we were using OVH, we had a
calculated password enforced on "sos" account just for
this use case
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2479 [16:47:11] <dob1> I am doing find ./ -type f -name
"*somefike.csv" -exec cat {} + |sed etc etc... but I would
like to "dos2unix" every file before doing the cat, not
the dos2unix at the end for every file... I don't now how to do
this
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2482 [16:48:26] <jelly> dob1: dos2unix can be easily done after
cat pipe. You basically just need to remove carriage returns.
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2485 [16:48:49] <jelly> dob1: find ... -exec cat {} + | tr -d
'\r' | sed ...
2486 [16:48:57] <dob1> jelly, no I want to do for every file. my
problem is the BOM
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2488 [16:49:26] <greycat> BOMs can contain a carriage return?
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2491 [16:50:15] <dob1> from what I know BOM is at the start of the
file, so it's the first characters, and I think dos2unix check
this. If I do dos2unix after the global cat I am not sure how it
handles it
2492 [16:50:43] <dob1> dos2unix removes the bom
2493 [16:50:43] <greycat> so you don't... actually... HAVE a
problem? you're just worried for some vague paranoid
reason?
2494 [16:50:54] <RadoS> find . ... -print0 |xargs -0 myscript.sh
2495 [16:50:55] <dob1> I use dos2unix to remove the bom
2496 [16:51:02] <RadoS> then have your script to the voodoo.
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2498 [16:51:12] <RadoS> to->do
2499 [16:51:33] <dob1> but and the cat ?
2500 [16:51:44] <RadoS> "useless use of cat"
2501 [16:51:54] * greycat has no popcorn, so simply waits
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2503 [16:52:36] <dob1> I am not sure how to do this
2504 [16:52:52] <jelly> dob1: do you need to keep original files
intact?
2505 [16:53:04] <greycat> you have not actually given us a REASON
to do it the hard way yet
2506 [16:53:08] <RadoS> myscript.sh: for VAR in "$@" do;
dos2unix $VAR | sed ... > $VAR.tmp; mv $VAR.tmp $VAR;done
2507 [16:53:17] <greycat> RadoS: quoting failure.
2508 [16:53:31] <dob1> I am combining several csv file in a single
one but each of the has BOM, I want to remove BOM. dos2unix removes
BOM
2509 [16:53:40] <dob1> *each of them
2510 [16:54:20] <greycat> So you ACTUALLY have BOMs? It's not
just a theoretical concern? Like, you can give us the actual name of
an actual file, and you can state "this file frobbitz.csv has a
BOM of type SquiggleFart"?
2511 [16:54:25] <RadoS> greycat, right, dob1: dos2unix
"$VAR"
2512 [16:54:36] <RadoS> basically "$VAR" everywhere. ;-)
2513 [16:54:59] <dob1> greycat, UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text,
with CRLF line terminators
2514 [16:55:24] <greycat> So you don't really know the
details. You are 90% ignorant. Lovely. Does dos2unix accept multiple
filenames as arguments?
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2516 [16:55:39] <greycat> let's go check manpages.debian.org
...
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2518 [16:55:51] * RadoS ... o O ( it does )
2519 [16:55:58] <greycat> It says [FILE ...] in the synopsis, so
that's a good sign.
2520 [16:56:07] <dob1> well I think I didn't explain it in
good terms. nevermind
2521 [16:56:12] * jhutchins_wk does not understand what file formats
have to do with a Bill Of Materials.
2522 [16:56:22] <greycat> Byte Order Mark
2523 [16:56:36] <jhutchins_wk> Well that's not obscure or
anything.
2524 [16:57:01] <greycat> dob1: find ... -exec dos2unix -r {} + |
sed whatever
2525 [16:57:08] <dob1> greycat, my idea is that you can do cat
file |dos2unix so it read stdin, so before doing the global cal pass
the file to dos2unix
2526 [16:58:09] <dob1> I cannot use -r, it modifies the original
file
2527 [16:58:17] <greycat> ...
2528 [16:58:20] <greycat> *PLONK*
2529 [16:58:31] <dob1> I just tried
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2531 [16:58:41] <greycat> FIGURE OUT WHAT FREAKING OPTIONS TO USE
2532 [16:58:46] <greycat> THEN USE THEM
2533 [16:59:37] <zafu> that's the spirit
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2544 [17:01:31] <jelly> or use a different tool to get rid of
'\xff\xfe' or '\xfe\xff' at the beginning of
each input file
2545 [17:02:15] <dob1> I am not used to it but I think xargs hint
can be helpful
2546 [17:02:28] <jelly> amusingly I don't see a way to tell
dos2unix to read input from file, and output to stdout.
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2548 [17:02:45] <dob1> cat file |dos2unix does it
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2550 [17:03:04] <dob1> but I need to do this before the
"global cat"
2551 [17:03:18] <greycat> Hence the initial suggestions to use
*something* *else* like tr -d.
2552 [17:03:19] <jelly> yes, dos2unix can read input from stdin
and output to stdout
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2554 [17:03:32] <greycat> But they rejected all of those
suggestions and *insisted* on using dos2unix.
2555 [17:03:36] <jelly> tr isn't very good with unicode
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2557 [17:03:52] <dob1> greycat, I admit I don't understand
too much about unicode, bom and all these things. there is a tool
that does it for me, dos2unix, I want to use it
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2560 [17:04:38] <dob1> I don't understand why I have a
software that exports data with this crappy bytes at start and I
have to remove them. but this is another part
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2563 [17:06:34] <jelly> dob1: are you allowed to change input
files?
2564 [17:06:44] <dob1> jelly, no
2565 [17:06:54] <jelly> can you make a temporary copy?
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2569 [17:07:36] <dob1> jelly, I was thinking at tmp files too and
store the their filepath in an array or similar
2570 [17:08:06] <RadoS> dob1, you want many files slurped into 1?
2571 [17:08:10] <jelly> if passing each file to dos2unix
separately is fine, then do that. -exec sh -c 'dos2unix <
{}' \; | sed ...
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2573 [17:08:23] <greycat> jelly: code injection bug.
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2575 [17:08:49] <dob1> RadoS, yes but passing them to dos2unix
before combinding them
2576 [17:08:59] <greycat> I'm reading "info recode |
less" but it's still pretty opaque to me... there's
probably some *really* easy recode recipe that'll do it, but
it's very hard to pry it out of the manuals.
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2578 [17:10:22] <zen262176> who likes my login banners -
replaced-url
2579 [17:10:42] <jelly> greycat: yeah, I typically avoid -exec and
am not good with it
2580 [17:11:03] <greycat> jelly: -exec sh -c 'recode <
"$1"' x {} \; and yes, this is *hideous* and this is
why we don't use recode
2581 [17:11:04] * jelly does ... -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 ...
2582 [17:11:16] <greycat> that's another way
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2585 [17:11:46] <greycat> s/recode/dos2unix/g
2586 [17:11:53] <RadoS> dob1, then use my "find . ... -print0
| xargs -0 ", then in script apply "$VAR" rather than
$VAR, and use 'dos2unix < "$VAR" | sed ...'
rather than cat.
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2588 [17:12:09] * RadoS ... o O ( unless you find a better solution with
a more helpful command than dos2unix )
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2590 [17:12:26] <greycat> that's what I'm attempting
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2592 [17:12:27] <dob1> I am trying your hints. I will do it in
some way (damn BOM) :)
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2597 [17:13:14] <dob1> zen262176, you shoud disable ssh root imho
2598 [17:13:22] <dob1> with password too
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2600 [17:13:32] <jelly> and stop using Courier New as terminal
font!
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2602 [17:14:14] <dob1> jelly, I was thinking the fonts was
horrible too :)
2603 [17:14:17] <zen262176> It’s the default I just left it
😊 why not use courier new?
2604 [17:14:21] <jelly>
replaced-url
2605 [17:14:34] <zen262176> I’m not sure how to change the
font
2606 [17:14:52] <dob1> putty -> appareance
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2608 [17:15:26] <zen262176> Dob you can only login with root from
my lan IP it’s locked down.
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2610 [17:15:47] <dob1> zen262176, create a new user and use sudo
or at least login via key
2611 [17:15:49] <b1ack0p> i wonder what font is used in
tty/console
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2613 [17:15:52] <b1ack0p> it looks cool
2614 [17:16:06] <b1ack0p> normally i use ubuntu fonts in terminal
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2619 [17:18:07] <zen262176> Dob1 I already log in via a key as
well
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2621 [17:18:29] <zen262176> I was thinking about putting more info
on but don’t want to over do it.
2622 [17:18:52] <greycat> wooledg:~$ printf
'\uFEFFhi,mom\r\nbye,dad\r\n' > file
2623 [17:18:52] <greycat> wooledg:~$ file file
2624 [17:18:52] <greycat> file: UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text,
with CRLF line terminators
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2628 [17:19:40] <greycat> so now maybe I can *experiment* since
none of the manuals or googles will just tell me how to do it...
2629 [17:19:40] <b1ack0p> jelly: ibm fonts are cool
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2633 [17:20:19] <dob1> greycat, I read this
replaced-url
2634 [17:20:28] <dob1> *some people
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2637 [17:21:39] <dob1> and it's the same the sed on the link
uses 1s that is the first line from what I know
2638 [17:21:50] <zen262176> Anyone got any of their own banners to
share?
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2644 [17:25:00] <jelly> dos2unix has probably learned to be smart
enough to also convert from UTF-16LE which some windows tools really
like, so if the files are not all 8bit, simple replacements might
not work
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2648 [17:26:12] <jelly> zen262176: absolutely no banners at all,
this is a support channel only!
replaced-url
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2654 [17:28:14] <dob1> jelly, why there are the versions of 2
kernels?
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2657 [17:29:14] <b1ack0p> dob1: one is for backup other is for
daily usage :p
2658 [17:29:31] <dob1> with different arch ? :)
2659 [17:29:36] <zen262176> It’s a support channel only? Boo
hoo! 😊
2660 [17:29:54] <b1ack0p> dob1: yep it is trend now using more
than 1 kernel :p
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2664 [17:31:24] <b1ack0p> zen262176: what would u expect? :p
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2670 [17:34:34] <zen262176> I thought at least you could talk
about other things lol
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2672 [17:35:27] <b1ack0p> :p
2673 [17:35:50] <b1ack0p> zen262176: #debian-offtopic for other
things
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2677 [17:36:13] <zen262176> Ah I didn’t see that channel doh
2678 [17:36:16] <zen262176> thank you
2679 [17:36:24] <b1ack0p> anything you like sports, fashion,
celebrity, dating..etc :p
2680 [17:36:44] <b1ack0p> nerds social place lol
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2682 [17:37:29] <b1ack0p> pingfloyd: nice nick ;)
2683 [17:37:43] <b1ack0p> another bug in the code :p
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2686 [17:39:44] <b1ack0p> jelly: how to download these oldschool
fonts?
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2689 [17:42:57] <greycat> So far I have not managed to get recode
to do *anything* except print nothing, print only the first line and
then an error message, or print an error message.
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2711 [17:58:28] <greycat> Several minutes later, I have also
managed to get recode to emit incorrect bytes, followed by the first
line and an error message, in addition to the other failures.
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2713 [17:59:04] <greycat> I have also verified that dos2unix
acting in "filter mode" will not remove internal BOMs.
E.g. cat file file2 | dos2unix doesn't remove the second BOM
which occurred originally at the start of file2.
2714 [17:59:30] <greycat> I have not yet managed to find ANYTHING
that works correctly on multiple files.
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2748 [18:22:37] <jim> b1ack0p, are you seeing those other symptoms
mentioned in the bug report?
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2755 [18:27:04] <b1ack0p> jim: what other symptoms? i just see not
functioning capslock led indicator light
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2769 [18:35:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: You shouldn't need
cat. dos2unix file file2
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2778 [18:37:28] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: and what do you believe
this command actually does?
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2781 [18:40:10] <joepublic> cat is awesome.
2782 [18:40:52] <joepublic> the cat deniers say things like uuoc,
just use more complex syntax, when often, command chains featuring
cat are more comprensible and therefore less prone to error
2783 [18:40:54] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: what it does *not* do is
open the two files, read them, and print their modified contents to
stdout.
2784 [18:41:23] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: what it *appears* to do is
overwrite each of the original input files with new content, and
then write two lines of explanatory text to either stdout or stderr.
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2786 [18:41:44] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: From reading the manpage,
it should convert both files. The SunOS behavior would be to write
the converted "file" to "file2", but that is
explicitly not the default in linux unless the -n or -o flags are
used.
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2788 [18:42:08] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yes, that sounds right,
2789 [18:42:37] <jhutchins_wk> So I guess I misunderstood the
task.
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2795 [18:44:48] <mms_> wifi adaptor with 150Mbps is it enough ?
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2799 [18:45:30] <mms_> I will use it in my desktop to connect to
my phone hotspot
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2802 [18:46:23] <joepublic> enough to start your own ISP? probably
not. Enough to email/browse? sure.
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2807 [18:47:57] <mms_> joepublic: yes just desktop to get good
internet connection to do work
2808 [18:48:14] <greycat> 150 Mbps is 15 times as fast as my home
internet connection
2809 [18:48:27] <mms_> joepublic: I think lan has 100mbps so
150mbps for wifi is more than that
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2811 [18:49:05] <mms_> I mean my phone will as such never stream
that speed
2812 [18:49:33] <mms_> so wifi adapter with more speed is not
beneficial ?
2813 [18:49:53] <joepublic> I would say not for connecting to an
unspecified phone, no
2814 [18:51:06] <mms_> greycat: yes so I thought why they make
wifi adapter (usb) with more speed as such they are used in
desktop/laptop only to connect to some hotspot which will never be
fater than 100mbps right ?
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2816 [18:52:11] <nightqueen> if I type in a unicode character in
the console via the keyboard and then hit backspace.. then two
characters is in the buffer but the whole typographical character is
removed from the screen. Weird results ensues. Remedy?
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2818 [18:52:56] <greycat> sounds like a bug in whatever
you're currently typing into. is it a shell?
2819 [18:53:02] <ksk> mms_: because there is Gbit (and even 10G)
speed available for wired networking, and not too few people have
>100mbit/s internet nowadays.
2820 [18:53:12] <spacebug^> mms_: why would a hotspot not be
faster than 100mbps?
2821 [18:53:14] <jim> mms_, it's not beneficial unless the
internet it's connecting to is also that speed, and your
computer is fast enough
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2823 [18:53:57] <nightqueen> greycat: yes
2824 [18:54:08] <greycat> Which shell, and did you do anything
unusual to it?
2825 [18:54:35] <mms_> spacebug^: usually wifi access points I
never seen giving more internet speed than even 10mbps as work
2826 [18:55:04] <nightqueen> greycat: it's the tty1 you boot
into
2827 [18:55:19] <greycat> so it's.. zsh? bash? ksh? tcsh?
2828 [18:55:27] <mms_> spacebug^: when I download at work where
they have some good hotspot access points even with thous speed is
never more than 1mbps
2829 [18:55:31] <spacebug^> mms_: well my internet connection is
stated 100mbps but I get arount 120mbps. I get the same over wifi so
:)
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2831 [18:56:13] <spacebug^> people over here usually has 100mbps
but some have 200/500 or 1gbps
2832 [18:56:29] <mms_> spacebug^: really even if you get 120mpbs
the 150mbps wifi adatper I am stating will be sufficient
2833 [18:56:43] <nightqueen> greycat: bash
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2835 [18:56:59] <nightqueen> could be that the collate isn't
set up properly
2836 [18:57:09] <greycat> nightqueen: OK... could be a bug in
bash, or a readline misconfiguration on your end, or your locale is
set wrong... what does "locale" say?
2837 [18:57:48] <spacebug^> mms_: yeah it will probaly suit your
needs just fine. One thing to remeber about wifi though is that it
is hard. Devices can be speced at a certain speed but you might
sometimes get half of that depending on other devices involved and
the surrunding environment
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2840 [18:59:21] <mms_> spacebug^: based on what you said it should
be enough in your case
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2842 [19:00:05] <nightqueen> as long as locale is set to the same
as they keymap or something, everything seems to be ok
2843 [19:00:10] <mms_> ok bye guys
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2857 [19:09:09] <joh6nn> hey all, long story, but i've been
asked to see about setting up a Stretch box with encrypted LVM,
unlocked by a file on a usb-key. Does anyone have that working?
There's a lot of conflicting posts and articles out there, and
it's not clear which, if any, of them are correct
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2868 [19:15:32] <MyroSVK_> joh6nn, having a key on USB is a
highway to hell
2869 [19:16:01] <dob1> vim too has support to remove bom with
nobom
2870 [19:16:08] <joh6nn> MyroSVK_: why's that?
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2874 [19:16:53] <gvth> Hi; when I close my laptop lid when I am on
a console where I am not logged in, my laptop goes to a state of
sleep/suspend. I like my system behaving in such a way but I have
never set this up and would like to know where and what setting is
causing this?
2875 [19:17:41] <MyroSVK_> joh6nn, can be stolen, cloned... Main
idea behing security is not to write your passwords / keys anywhere
and remember it by using it on daily basis
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2879 [19:18:40] <joh6nn> that's not an issue with the threat
model involved here
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2881 [19:19:13] <joh6nn> but thanks :)
2882 [19:20:01] <MyroSVK_> joh6nn, few months ago I was fiddling
with keys stored on remote server, kinda interresting stuff too but
when you are offline you are pretty much screwed
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2892 [19:23:44] <joh6nn> yeah, that wouldn't work for this
situation
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2899 [19:29:12] <annadane> can i get wine mono from debian's
wine? i guess not, i guess i have to use winehq's repos for
that
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2901 [19:30:08] <greycat> "can I get mono from ___"
would probably give you really unexpected google results
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2906 [19:31:02] <annadane> never mind, the wiki covers this
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2919 [19:40:56] <annadane> i'm looking for what
$XDG_CACHE_HOME is assigned to, do i just type in printenv and if it
doesn't show up, it's not set?
2920 [19:41:10] <greycat> It's usually not set.
2921 [19:41:36] <greycat> there're lots of XDG_* variables
that *can* be set, but which are typically not set, causing programs
to use a default value instead
2922 [19:42:08] <greycat> I used env | grep XDG
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2947 [19:55:41] <sylvain31> Hi, I'm trying to install a
legacy debian wheezy in a docker for building a binary, and I get
broken dependencies when try apt-get install git.
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2957 [20:03:19] <jim> sylvain31, what's its sources.list look
like? (one way: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999)
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2959 [20:05:14] <sylvain31> jim, it's at the end of the paste
above
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2964 [20:06:22] <jim> sylvain31, did you install anything before
trying to install git?
2965 [20:07:01] <sylvain31> jim, nope, but it is a docker image.
2966 [20:07:40] <jim> so you don't know what all was done to
it?
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2969 [20:10:03] <sylvain31> no, I don't know what exactly
what is the base image. I may try to check. Should debian wheezy
should be still capable to install package from archive.debian.org,
right?
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2971 [20:10:22] <nightqueen> Do I have to chose both a foreign
language and a european system in LC_TIME at the same time? I want
the european clock format but in english
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2975 [20:10:37] <jim> ok, try this... (and let's see outputs
too): dpkg --configure --pending 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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2981 [20:12:26] <sylvain31> jim, empty on the running docker
2982 [20:12:44] <jim> ok, so all packages configured
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2986 [20:13:41] <jim> ok, try this: apt -f install 2>&1 |
nc termbin.com 9999
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2988 [20:15:03] <sylvain31> jim, found, the image was somewhat
broken I think :
replaced-url
2989 [20:15:24] <sylvain31> changing for debian/eol:wheezy and is
seems to work.
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2992 [20:16:09] <jim> sylvain31, oh ok... good enough :)
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2998 [20:18:49] <sylvain31> yeah, cool. Thanks ;-)
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3004 [20:22:22] <jhutchins_wk> nightqueen: What application's
clock do you want this for?
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3006 [20:23:11] <jhutchins_wk> nightqueen: You would probably
expect a "european clock format" for Great Britain.
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3016 [20:28:30] <nightqueen> jhutchins_wk: the brits use the
inferior pm/am system
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3018 [20:29:07] <Habbie> LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 date;
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 date
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3020 [20:29:10] <Habbie> Thu 23 Jan 20:29:01 CET 2020
3021 [20:29:11] <Habbie> Thu 23 Jan 2020 08:29:01 PM CET
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3030 [20:37:42] <nightqueen> okay, so I configure those things..
LC_TIME and a few others. But what about the ones I haven't
configured?
3031 [20:38:22] <Habbie> type 'locale' to see what
happened to them
3032 [20:40:17] <nightqueen> Contrary to my belief, they were
defaulting to C. I did not think that'd happen. So what
language is this C? Is it some english ANSI-standard based on the
C-language?
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3064 [20:56:47] <karlpinc> nightqueen: C is an encoding named
after the C language, which basically means ASCII.
3065 [20:57:25] <karlpinc> nightqueen: I don't recall if C is
defined for all 8 bits or is just 7, but I'd guess 8.
3066 [20:57:49] <greycat> *nod* the "C" or
"POSIX" locale is basically "it's 1979
again". 7-bit ASCII only, no multi-byte encodings, no
"International" rules -- just American Everything.
3067 [20:57:55] <karlpinc> nightqueen: It's pretty much what
you get when you don't "do anything", historically.
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3070 [20:58:44] <greycat> ASCII only goes up to 127. The 8th bit
is reserved for uses outside of ASCII (could be a parity bit, could
be another 128 characters).
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3072 [20:59:02] <karlpinc> greycat: IIRC you can output 8 bits,
but only some bytes have a defined meaning.
3073 [20:59:06] <karlpinc> ?
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3076 [20:59:25] <karlpinc> greycat: (I guess that's just what
you said.)
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3078 [21:00:03] <greycat> What happens when your terminal receives
a byte value above 127 in the "C" locale is up to the
terminal.
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3080 [21:00:58] <greycat> General policy is "don't do
that".
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3095 [21:11:58] <CpAj0> i have a problem with CD because it seems
that i can't mount the cdrom if i type mount /media/cdrom the
output is mount: /media/cdrom: can't find in /etc/fstab.
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3097 [21:12:47] <greycat> Tell it what device to mount. mount
/dev/something /media/something
3098 [21:13:00] <greycat> if you only have one CD-ROM drive,
/dev/cdrom should work.
3099 [21:13:30] <CpAj0> but in /dev i don't have cdrom or
cdrom0
3100 [21:13:53] <greycat> Do you actually see a CD-ROM device
anywhere in dmesg?
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3104 [21:16:36] <CpAj0> nope
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3106 [21:16:47] <twobitsp1ite> CpAj0: is it an external USB CDROM?
3107 [21:16:54] <greycat> Either the drive isn't connected,
or isn't powered on, or isn't functional.
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3109 [21:17:54] <CpAj0> no is the cdrom of the laptop
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3111 [21:18:06] <twobitsprite> CpAj0: pastebin your 'sudo
fdisk -l' output
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3119 [21:22:01] <CpAj0>
replaced-url
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3126 [21:25:20] <twobitsprite> hmm, yeah, looks like it's not
being detected...
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3128 [21:27:02] <CpAj0> so maybe is a hardware problem...i will
try with a live boot
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3131 [21:28:33] <Akuw> in pagackage version
"2.9.1+dfsg1-5+deb8u4" what means "+dfsg1-5" and
"+deb8u4" ?
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3170 [21:55:10] <tails> my firefox keeps on crashing on debian sid
3171 [21:55:22] <tails> it doesn't generate a core to tell me
why
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3173 [21:55:56] <tails> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned
child 3564
3174 [21:55:57] <tails>
ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to
child
3175 [21:55:57] <tails> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal
waiting for continue signal...
3176 [21:56:10] <tails> that is 100% of a firefox run
3177 [21:56:26] <tails> it pops up "firefox had a problem and
crashed so tell us why" error reporter
3178 [21:56:30] <tails> when nothing seems wrong
3179 [21:56:51] <nkuttler> !debian-next
3180 [21:56:51] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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3182 [21:57:54] <jsync2> Hello. I cloned a file system using
partclone, & the instructions said to perform a resize2fs,
though the source was smaller than the target. Would resize2fs
shrink my target drive partition?
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3184 [21:59:17] <Habbie> jsync2, resize2fs resizes the filesystem
to the size you specify; if you don't specify a size, it
resizes the *filesystem* to the *partition size* (which is always a
grow, never a shrink)
3185 [21:59:23] <Habbie> jsync2, resize2fs does not change your
partition sizes
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3189 [22:00:36] <dob1> how can I get in a script the dir where the
script is?
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3191 [22:01:03] <jsync2> Habbie, I didn't perform the
resize2fs. Can I still perform that task once I booted the
filesystem?
3192 [22:01:30] <Habbie> jsync2, yes
3193 [22:01:41] <Habbie> jsync2, a grow can even be done while the
filesystem is mounted
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3200 [22:03:39] <jsync2> 😁 Thanks, Habbie.
3201 [22:03:42] <Habbie> np!
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3207 [22:04:38] <jsync2> 15 to 51 blocks. Makes sense of the clone
job.
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3210 [22:06:48] <jsync2> A "bootable" partition
doesn't show in Nautilis side bar I guess.
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3214 [22:07:56] <CarlFK> char mode console - how to I switch video
mode from .. whatever I am in (160x100?) to 80x25 or 40 or whatever
is 'small'
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3217 [22:08:26] <jsync2> Disk utility says new cloned file system
is mounted, not old source file system, not actually. I guess the
system is using the new cloned file system for boot.
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3220 [22:10:07] <jsync2> Is there a irc channel specifically for
linux CLI?
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3233 [22:15:37] <ksk> jsync2: there is #bash - if that is what you
mean with "CLI" ;)
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3235 [22:16:04] <Guest31514> hey
3236 [22:16:52] <CarlFK> or what kernael params to keep it from
going into any other video modes
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3238 [22:17:09] <jsync2> ksk, I mean Command Line "CLI".
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3241 [22:17:17] <petn-randall> CarlFK: `dpkg-reconfigure
console-setup`
3242 [22:17:52] <greycat> jsync2: ask your specific question,
please. "Linux CLI" is like saying "things".
It's too vague.
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3373 [22:20:33] <jsync2> greycat, I mean an IRC channel for help
specifically with terminal commands. Everything from cp/mv, to
mounting a drive & all associated with working in a Virtual
Machine, tty, environment.
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3378 [22:21:06] <greycat> jsync2: so, you mean help with Debian?
This channel.
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3381 [22:21:29] <jsync2> greycat, alright.
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3383 [22:21:36] <jsync2> 😎
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3408 [22:25:29] <jsync2> Is there a way to get a mirror download
of the old Wheezy non-free file system sources?
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3424 [22:25:53] <Habbie> jsync2, all i know is archive.debian.org
exists
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3442 [22:26:17] <jsync2> I have most of the Wheezy source files
downloaded & on my server.
3443 [22:26:21] <greycat> There are no "file system
sources". I'm not even sure what you mean by that. If you
want to install wheezy, you can get the old installer images.
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3448 [22:26:50] <greycat> If you have an existing wheezy system,
we can tell you what should be in sources.list, assuming the bot
didn't die in this netsplit.
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3450 [22:26:53] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
3451 [22:26:53] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A
suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb
replaced-url
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3454 [22:27:42] <jsync2> I downloaded Wheezy source files &
made a mirror for the files on my local network.
3455 [22:28:11] <greycat> if you're trying to set up your own
repository, then I can't help you; maybe someone else can
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3459 [22:28:25] <greycat> !ownrepo
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3461 [22:28:28] <greycat> !own repo
3462 [22:28:28] <dpkg> To feed your own packages into apt, you
need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the
packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very
sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>.
If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian
tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See
replaced-url
3463 [22:28:34] <greycat> or maybe the bot can
3464 [22:28:54] <greycat> (or that might not be the right factoid)
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3469 [22:29:59] <dvs> apt-mirror can duplicate it but it sounds
like you want a stand-alone repo.
3470 [22:31:09] <jsync2> I tried to install the nvidia drivers
that I pulled out of a separate machine from the file
/var/cache/apt/archives, though my Xorg.conf didn't work in my
new system, not actually.
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3472 [22:31:59] <greycat> one generally doesn't *have* an
xorg.conf file with recent versions of debian
3473 [22:32:03] <jsync2> dvs, it's like a mirror site that I
made for my own local network.
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3476 [22:32:10] <greycat> !apt-mirror
3477 [22:32:10] <dpkg> apt-mirror is a tool for making a local
mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures,
specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g.
"deb-amd64
replaced-url
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3482 [22:32:42] <greycat> personally, I just use a squid proxy and
point all the Debian systems at it
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3503 [22:34:41] <hugo_> hello all, i try to capture regex with
sed, could someone help me ? i got this error :
replaced-url
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3508 [22:38:12] <dvs> hugo_, you don't have a group in the
first part of the search command.
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3516 [22:44:00] <jsync2> So, is there a way to get all the files
from deb
replaced-url
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3518 [22:44:15] <greycat> *ALL*? Now you're back to
apt-mirror.
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3521 [22:44:31] <greycat> also, "contrib" is not
"contributor"
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3524 [22:45:06] <jsync2> Well, I'm aware I need to use
apt-mirror, though are all the files still available?
3525 [22:45:33] <greycat> only one way to find out
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3531 [22:50:57] <petn-randall> jsync2: Why do you want to mirror
all? That's several dozens of GB. If you have an uplink
I'd use the existing mirrors.
3532 [22:51:42] <petn-randall> hugo_: Try using single quotes.
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3535 [22:54:00] <jsync2> petn-randall, because people are in a
hurry to do away with 32 bit Operating Systems, for a simple
example. When the American population fulfills its' barbaric
intent, I'll still have a working OS, regardless of what white
invaders descendants think about "Indians" whom respect
the land & animals.
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3549 [23:00:43] <jsync2> petn-randall, I don't mean to put
you on the defensive, not actually. I should have just been concise
& suggested something like, Because I believe that there are all
sorts of Conspiracies. I'm a believer that various Conspirators
really exist.
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3551 [23:01:00] <jsync2> 😎
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3649 [23:05:50] <jsync2> Question: Can apt-mirror make a mirror of
other sites?
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3651 [23:07:17] <ksk> ,info apt-mirror
3652 [23:07:18] <judd> Package apt-mirror (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: APT sources mirroring tool. Version: 0.5.4-1; Size:
18.0k; Installed: 67k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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3654 [23:07:58] <jsync2> Like, if I wanted to mirror
replaced-url
3655 [23:08:34] <ksk> jsync2: take a look at httrack
3656 [23:08:54] <ksk> apt-mirror is , surprisingly, a tool to
mirror an apt mirror
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3658 [23:09:08] <annadane> wow!
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3660 [23:09:52] <jsync2> ksk, so wget is my only option to get
really large sites like wikis?
3661 [23:10:30] <ksk> 22:08 < ksk> jsync2: take a look at
httrack
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3664 [23:11:58] <karlpinc> jsync2: There are other choices. Maybe
debtags will help.
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3673 [23:17:33] <petn-randall> jsync2: I don't know what
conspiracies you believe in, but you first sentence has no relation
to your second one. There are mirrors for *all* Debian releases that
ever existed still on archive.debian.org, so your conspiracy
isn't rooted in reality.
3674 [23:18:53] <jsync2> petn-randall, I would guess such. Thanks
for corroborating my point.
3675 [23:19:46] <jsync2> #indiansvsfreeworld
3676 [23:19:52] <jsync2> 😉
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3678 [23:20:34] <petn-randall> jsync2: This isn't twitter. Do
you have any other Debian support question?
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3681 [23:22:14] <jsync2> petn-randall, try #debian-offtopic
yourself.
3682 [23:22:21] <jsync2> 😉
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3685 [23:23:36] <jsync2> (I remember it was you that asked
"why", while that wasn't really pertinent, not
actually.)
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3690 [23:24:45] <petn-randall> jsync2: I asked because many people
think it's a good idea "just to do", and then are
surprised of the size the archive has.
3691 [23:24:48] <jsync2> ("Because a Conspiracy Theorist
seems like a contradiction in terminology.)
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3695 [23:26:45] <sponix2ipfw> !ops jsync2 mind numbing rants
3696 [23:26:45] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall,
bremner: sponix2ipfw complains about a problem (see above)
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3728 [23:49:12] <juki> thrashed my /home, any help in here?
3729 [23:50:04] <jsync2> 😎
3730 [23:50:43] <petn-randall> juki: You can try restoring from
backups.
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3734 [23:51:37] <petn-randall> juki: How did you trash your /home?
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3739 [23:55:15] <jsync2> As su default.
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3741 [23:55:41] <jsync2> Es su default**
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3743 [23:55:56] <jsync2> 😁
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