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38 [00:30:51] <crayon> anyone else finding gnome-shell humming
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99 [01:08:30] <kwriley87> Hey guys, I am trying to get Debian 9
up and running.. in doing an ip link show, I can see all 4 of my
interfaces in a down state (eno1, eno2, eno3, eno4) but I am unable
to get eno1 up. If I do an ifup eno1 I get an unknown interface
error
100 [01:08:33] <kwriley87> Can someone please help?
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115 [01:21:19] <Sveta> kwriley87, did it work before?
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118 [01:22:06] <kwriley87> Sveta - this is a new server that just
came in to my office today. I've just loaded a fresh copy of
Debian 9 on it
119 [01:22:27] <kwriley87> it's strange, I have link lights
on the interfaces but I can't bring up any of the interfaces
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123 [01:23:37] <Sveta> what command do you use for bringing them
up?
124 [01:24:16] <kwriley87> ifup eno1
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127 [01:25:15] <Sveta> what is the output of 'ip a s'?
128 [01:25:23] <Sveta> does `ip link set dev eno1 up` work?
129 [01:25:46] <Sveta> can you pastebin your
`/etc/network/interfaces` file?
130 [01:26:09] <kwriley87> sure thing one sec
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134 [01:28:58] <kwriley87> Sveta - I can't pastebin because
it's on another machine but I pasteboard the outputs here for
you
135 [01:29:00] <kwriley87>
replaced-url
136 [01:29:19] <kwriley87>
replaced-url
137 [01:29:39] <kwriley87>
replaced-url
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141 [01:32:39] <kwriley87> Sveta, anything poke out to you as
being incorrect?
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143 [01:33:47] <Sveta> hold on
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146 [01:34:41] <Sveta> kwriley87, what if you edit your
interfaces file and rename it to say myeno1
147 [01:34:59] <Sveta> kwriley87, and then run the ifup command
on that
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152 [01:36:44] <kwriley87> Sveta, hmm I renamed eno1 in
/etc/network/interfaces to myeno1, restarted networking and an ip
link set dev myeno1 up and got a cannot find device
"myeno1" error
153 [01:37:18] <kwriley87> ifup myeno1 produces a failed to bring
up myeno1 error
154 [01:37:26] <Sveta> what about `ifup myeno1`
155 [01:37:28] <Sveta> ok
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159 [01:39:51] <twb> Sveta: bnx2 --- that's a broadcom nic
160 [01:40:01] <kwriley87> does my interface config look alright?
I'm not sure what the problem could be..
161 [01:40:08] <twb> It's trying to find firmware (.fw)
which is presumably not installed
162 [01:40:30] <twb> some NICs (e.g. Realtek) work fine without
firmware, but maybe not broadcom
163 [01:41:11] <twb> Sveta: as first step, install firmware-bnx2
("apt download firmware-bnx2" on another computer of same
Debian version & arch, then copy across by USB key or similar)
164 [01:41:42] <kwriley87> ok that should point me in the right
direction, thank you!
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166 [01:42:01] <twb> Sveta: from the "ip link" output,
you have 4 NICs, but they all have the same MAC prefix (14feb5), so
they will all be broadcoms
167 [01:42:55] <Sveta> twb, kwriley87 is having this issue
168 [01:43:01] <Sveta> twb, thanks :)
169 [01:43:20] <twb> !bnx2
170 [01:43:20] <dpkg> bnx2 is a Linux kernel driver supporting
Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet
controllers. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about
<non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to
provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation
time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also
<bnx2x>.
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172 [01:44:13] <kwriley87> Interesting, I've never ran into
a situation where I had to install firmware on a network card that
wasn't recognized by Debian. Thank you for the information!
173 [01:44:32] <twb> Broadcom is a not-nice company, I recommend
avoiding them in future.
174 [01:44:42] <kwriley87> Noted for sure
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176 [01:45:09] <Tenkawa> kwriley87: I run into the situation
commonly
177 [01:45:27] <twb> I can recommend (most!) Intel 100M / 1G /
10G NICs, though once I needed a firmware blob. Realtek rtl81xx also
Just Work for me in single-port setups.
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179 [01:45:53] <twb> For wifi, QCA (Qualcomm/Atheros), Marvell,
MediaTek are all preferable to Broadcom.
180 [01:46:00] <Tenkawa> true
181 [01:46:21] <twb> (Of those three, which is best seems to
mostly be bikeshedding)
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183 [01:49:31] <Sveta> thank you, twb
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187 [01:52:50] <k-man> fwiw, you can often get multi port intel
nics fairly cheaply off ebay, if you need multiple nics
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190 [01:54:03] <twb> k-man: only 4 * 1Gbit.
191 [01:54:11] <twb> 4 * 10Gbit are still pretty expensive, last
time I looked
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198 [02:00:35] <k-man> yeah probably. i've never felt the
need for 10Gbit yet
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201 [02:01:39] <k-man> hmmm 10gb x2 port for $70. not too bad
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203 [02:03:06] <twb> I run 10Gbit backbones for large nets
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205 [02:03:42] <twb> k-man: for your office, there's no
point unless your switches also have 10G daisy-chaining ports
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214 [02:10:43] <SerajewelKS> and you have on
215 [02:10:53] <SerajewelKS> on-LAN services that can push that
kind of throughput
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221 [02:15:58] <twb> Yes, granted :-)
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224 [02:16:29] <twb> There's an upper limit to how big your
all-customers.xlsx will be in practice
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231 [02:20:09] <SerajewelKS> right
232 [02:20:29] <SerajewelKS> the only place we could really use
10gbit is in one specific room, between two systems in that same
room. and neither have a 10gbit card anyway.
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236 [02:21:38] <twb> If you have capacity you could run a
point-to-point link between them
237 [02:21:56] <SerajewelKS> i mean all we'd have to do is
get two 10gbit cards and run a cat6 cable across the room
238 [02:21:57] <twb> MDI-X is mandatory in 1Gbit and higher cards
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240 [02:22:04] <twb> SerajewelKS: yeah that
241 [02:22:05] <SerajewelKS> but one is a laptop
242 [02:22:09] <twb> hahaha
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244 [02:22:40] <SerajewelKS> and the person who uses it
doesn't mind that it's a bit slow. she does everything
misc in the office (HR, accounts receivable, financials, etc.)
245 [02:22:53] <SerajewelKS> so if that server is being a bit
slow she just does something else while she waits
246 [02:23:01] <twb> Also cat5e is probably sufficient for a
short run; cat6 just means it'll work at the full length (80m
solid in the walls + 10m bundle at each end)
247 [02:23:16] <SerajewelKS> she specifically said that it
doesn't bother her or make her less productive
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249 [02:23:45] <karlpinc> twb: Not nearly as funny as me running
a 500MHz 586 to firewall the Internet. I don't think it'll
push more than 100Mbps, but that's slower than the Internet
anyway so it does not matter.
250 [02:24:16] <SerajewelKS> yep, that's always a fun
conversation with the tech-illiterate
251 [02:24:31] <SerajewelKS> "my router does 1gbit, why can
i only get 10mbit?"
252 [02:24:41] <SerajewelKS> "can you fix it?"
253 [02:24:44] <twb> karlpinc: ours was a sparcstation until 2011
254 [02:24:56] <SerajewelKS> yes let me get my magic wand that
widens the pipe to your ISP
255 [02:25:19] <twb> SerajewelKS: "if you want 1GBit to the
internet, go back in time and don't vote for the
Coalition"
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258 [02:25:54] <SerajewelKS> most people seem satisfied when i
pull out the pipe metaphor. "if you connect your hose bib to a
firehose, is the water going to come out of the firehose as fast as
when it hooks up to the hydrant?" "no" "your ISP
connection is the bib and your router is the firehose."
"oh."
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289 [03:08:21] <twb> kwriley87: it's better to talk
in-channel
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291 [03:09:39] <twb> kwriley87: your USB key now has a file like
firmware-bnx2_20190114-1_all.deb on it?
292 [03:11:08] <twb> kwriley87: do you know how to mount a USB
drive?
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294 [03:14:08] <twb> blkid, find the drive, mount /dev/sdz1 /mnt,
then dpkg -i /mnt/firmware-bnx2-....deb
295 [03:14:09] <kwriley87> twb, apologies for not talking in
channel
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297 [03:17:02] <kwriley87> awesome thank you, i believe that
installed the firmware - trying to bring up the interface now..
298 [03:20:58] <kwriley87> twb, almost there.. the interface is
up! for some reason an ip a s is showing my IP as a /24 even though
it's configured as a class C which is strange, trying to hunt
that down now
299 [03:21:46] <twb> class C *is* /24
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304 [03:22:26] <kwriley87> ah you're right, ive been at it
too long today... thank you for your help :) i will figure out why I
can't ping out here
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316 [03:30:25] <kwriley87> twb, thank you for your help..
I've got my link up... I'll make sure I take note of how
to install missing firmware like this in the future to avoid making
it a 4 hour fiasco again :)
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318 [03:31:04] <SerajewelKS> i had to do that on one of our dell
servers too
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326 [03:40:45] <karlpinc> kwriley87: It can help when installing
to use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included.
327 [03:41:03] <kwriley87> where would that be located?
328 [03:41:26] <karlpinc> !firmware images
329 [03:41:27] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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331 [03:43:14] <kwriley87> that's great information, thank
you!
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334 [03:44:57] <twb> My netbook's coreboot firmware includes
a little linux that has just enough magic to do wpa_supplicant +
wget + kexec the Debian installer.
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336 [03:45:13] <twb> It is *SO HANDY* for recovering it when I
accidentally brick the onboard OS
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341 [03:47:52] <karlpinc> kwriley87: I suppose the non-free
firmware installer would be good for booting into rescue mode too,
should that ever be needed.
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343 [03:49:00] <twb> Debian Live used to have a Rescue image, but
it was orphaned :-(
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431 [05:36:44] <galaxie> Well, I forcibly uninstalled libnss
which was a post-stable package and installed it again and
everything works wonderful. Phew.
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440 [05:43:00] <twb> I hope you mean libnss3
441 [05:43:24] <galaxie> Yes, that's what I meant to type.
442 [05:43:57] <twb> "NSS" is mozilla's in-house
rewrite of OpenSSL, but it's also an unrelated thing that glibc
uses to looking up user and host names
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445 [05:44:12] <galaxie> lol good to know
446 [05:44:20] <galaxie> Why'd they rewrite it though??
447 [05:45:01] <twb> "it's only security, how hard
could it be?"
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449 [05:45:20] <twb> OpenSSL was literally someone's
"my first C program"
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452 [05:46:59] <galaxie> If so, they've done a better job
than I would've.
453 [05:47:01] <twb> "NSS originated from the libraries
developed when Netscape invented the SSL security protocol."
454 [05:47:15] <twb> So strictly speaking NSS is the oldest TLS
library, and OpenSSL (SSLeay) came later
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457 [05:47:28] <twb> galaxie: you should read opensslrampage
sometime
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459 [05:47:58] <twb>
replaced-url
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463 [05:49:32] <twb> My personal favourite was this commit:
464 [05:49:33] <twb> "Remove support for big-endian i386 and
amd64."
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674 [08:49:34] <l9> how can i set the grub timeout=0 ?
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676 [08:50:35] <GNU\colossus> edit /etc/default/grub, then run
`update-grub`
677 [08:50:39] <towo^work> write it in /etc/default/grub
678 [08:50:48] <jelly> l9, edit /etc/default/grub and run
update-grub after that
679 [08:50:54] <jelly> lol
680 [08:51:01] <l9> thanks :) that worked
681 [08:51:04] <well_laid_lawn> that's not recommended, if
there is an error you need time to select a different kernel to boot
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683 [08:51:32] <GNU\colossus> this. is. debian. there are no
errors!!1!
684 [08:51:33] <GNU\colossus> ;)
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686 [08:51:45] <jelly> no, no
687 [08:51:45] <l9> non at all never seen one :P
688 [08:52:01] <jelly> this. is. debian. All errors are
fixable!!1one
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691 [08:52:18] <jelly> (without reinstallation)
692 [08:52:37] <GNU\colossus> "just do a clean install,
dude" *vapes*
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696 [08:53:10] <l9> jelly: yeah i kinda agree, but it might
involve a hardware change and a few nights pondering over why it
happens
697 [08:53:22] <iovec> is shim-signed currently only supported
with grub (and not systemd-boot)?
698 [08:53:55] <jelly> iovec, you probably want to ask that in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org)
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700 [08:54:07] <iovec> oh right
701 [08:54:54] <jelly> but at some point during the freeze I
guess we'll have to start answering buster questions in here as
well
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703 [08:56:47] <l9> buster is should be answered in here ... :/
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705 [08:57:08] <l9> in my opinion
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710 [08:57:46] <jelly> l9, you're free to answer things
about buster if you know them.
711 [08:58:17] <l9> jelly: i know nothing.
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715 [08:59:08] <jelly> that's the approximate value of the
related opinion then, eh
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724 [09:02:26] <l9> well true in some sense, but one of the
reason why i am not so mmuch around any more is becuase it has
become hard to find updated good answers on any of the branches.
take the grub timeout should be simple to find, but the only answers
i am getting is from ubuntu forums and the only answer i could find
was dated 2014 that is 4 years ago
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726 [09:03:31] <l9>
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736 [09:10:13] <pingfloyd> l9: next time go to the horse's
mouth
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740 [09:12:34] <l9> pingfloyd: thanks :)
741 [09:13:09] <pingfloyd> no problem
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744 [09:13:58] <twb> Personally, I find refind to be a million
squillion times less grief-ful than grub2
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747 [09:14:08] <pingfloyd> often when you're trying to
figure something out, it helps to start with the originators
748 [09:14:18] <twb> Although I haven't fought signed
booting with it
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772 [09:30:14] <SerajewelKS> is there a proper way to temporarily
freeze a mounted ext4 filesystem prior to taking an LVM snapshot so
that the snapshot is clean, or is good enough to let the journal
clean up the mess?
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777 [09:32:03] <twb> SerajewelKS: if it is not the root
filesystem, just don't mount it?
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779 [09:32:27] <SerajewelKS> whether it's the root has
little to do with it; rather, the volume is in use by active
services
780 [09:32:41] <twb> SerajewelKS: for forensic purposes you can
instruct the kernel not to write to the disk even for updating
things like "last mount time". I forget how, but Debian
Live has the mojo inside it.
781 [09:32:49] <twb> SerajewelKS: ohhh
782 [09:32:53] <SerajewelKS> and downtime is not acceptable. i
was looking at fsfreeze.
783 [09:32:54] <twb> SerajewelKS: sorry, I misread that this was
at boot time
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785 [09:33:26] <twb> SerajewelKS: what I do is just snapshot it
as-is, e2fsck it, and if e2fscks' exit code indicates no major
problems, proceed to use the snapshot
786 [09:33:28] <SerajewelKS> fsfreeze indicates that LVM should
freeze the underlying fs automatically when creating a snapshot so
that the created image is clean. however, in my experience,
snapshots are always dirty and require journal recovery.
787 [09:33:41] <twb> SerajewelKS: this is "good enough"
for office docs, but not for things like SQL databases
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790 [09:33:57] <SerajewelKS> funny you mention databases
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792 [09:34:02] <jelly> SerajewelKS, vmware-tools / open-vm-tools
have a "quiesce I/O" feature but I have no idea what it
does
793 [09:34:24] <twb> For SQL databases my answer is "I
don't care if the database is in flight, because the database
should have periodic dumps, and THOSE are quiescent when the
snapshot is made"
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795 [09:35:07] <SerajewelKS> one of the things being backed up is
mariadb. our backup procedure is to snapshot the volumes, mount them
to set up a chroot, run an alternate mariadb in the chroot, and dump
the db in there. which avoids exclusive locks.
796 [09:35:15] <jelly> SerajewelKS, but really how is the result
of just making a snapshot any different from a power loss situation,
considering the fs state?
797 [09:35:24] <SerajewelKS> so far we've not had it fail.
the ext4 journal recovers and then mariadb recovers its own journal.
798 [09:35:27] <twb> SerajewelKS: maria can't just do a dump
as another transaction?
799 [09:35:35] <SerajewelKS> twb: not against myisam tables
800 [09:35:36] <twb> SerajewelKS: on the prod instance, I mean
801 [09:35:51] <twb> is myisam the horrible old one?
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803 [09:36:13] <SerajewelKS> it's the one with better read
performance and fewer arbitrary limits on key length ;)
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805 [09:36:25] <twb> I'm a pg weenie, so all I remember is
that, for like 10 years, MySQL had sensible defaults on Windows and
stupid lossy defaults on Unix
806 [09:36:43] <SerajewelKS> i'd prefer pg as well, but
choices made before i was here, etc.
807 [09:36:46] <twb> Looks like MyISAM stopped being the default
in 2009
808 [09:37:04] <SerajewelKS> well that's after this db was
created so...
809 [09:37:29] <twb> innodb is the "good" one, where
"good" is slow-and-right beats fast-and-wrong :-)
810 [09:37:29] <jelly> myisam is the horrible fast one.
811 [09:37:35] <SerajewelKS> i tried converting the tables to
innodb and that went about all the possible kinds of
catastrophically wrong that it could. thankfully i was doing it on a
scratch server as a test.
812 [09:37:55] <twb> So yeah I feel sorry for you, but not enough
to care about fixing it :-)
813 [09:38:06] <SerajewelKS> mariadb at least has a "sync
everything and stop writing" command
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817 [09:38:18] <SerajewelKS> so theoretically i can take the LVM
snapshot after executing that
818 [09:38:35] <SerajewelKS> so we block the DB just long enough
to get the snapshot
819 [09:39:02] <twb> that sounds like the db equivalent of an fs
write barrier
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822 [09:39:22] <jelly> filesystems are just databases for files.
823 [09:39:22] <SerajewelKS> it basically takes an exclusive lock
on everything and flushes all write buffers
824 [09:39:53] <twb> One time I had dpkg -i issuing write
barriers and collectd issuing lots of writes, and the whole system
fell over because the kernel couldn't cohere the collectd
writes anymore
825 [09:40:15] <SerajewelKS> but, that still doesn't address
my question about taking snapshots of a mounted fs. fsfreeze
indicates that LVM should freeze the fs automatically to create a
clean snapshot but this is not what i observe.
826 [09:40:24] <SerajewelKS> unless i'm misunderstanding
what fsfreeze does.
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828 [09:41:06] <twb> I'm not familiar with fsfreeze
829 [09:41:30] <SerajewelKS> it's in util-linux so i guess
it's a pretty standard utility
830 [09:41:35] <twb> It appears to be from util-linux, so
probably it's just a shim around some linux syscalls
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832 [09:41:44] <jelly> twb, that sounds fun. Similar to
"don't resize2fs while under heavy write io", but
it's just resize2fs that hangs completely
833 [09:41:59] <SerajewelKS> "fsfreeze halts any new access
to the filesystem and creates a stable image on disk." -- good
so far. "fsfreeze is unnecessary for device-mapper devices. The
device-mapper (and LVM) automatically freezes a filesystem on the
device when a snapshot creation is requested." -- not what i
observe
834 [09:42:09] <twb> jelly: FYI the way I fixed it was to tell
collectd to buffer itself in RAM instead of assuming the kernel
would handle it
835 [09:42:55] <twb> jelly: and to not write out every RRD at
exactly the same time, but to randomize them a little --- like back
when we had to insert a random delay to hard disk startup to avoid
killing the power supply
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837 [09:43:16] <jelly> twb, our NOC people used to have all kinds
of trouble with random IO to thousands of rrd files (very old
school)
838 [09:43:37] <twb> jelly: are they using collectd, graphite, or
what?
839 [09:43:49] <jelly> custom collectors.
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841 [09:44:08] <twb> yes obviously but those usually feed into
middleware that does the actual writing
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843 [09:44:31] <jelly> hahaha. "Obviously"
844 [09:44:38] <twb> SerajewelKS: are you 100% sure that when
lvcreate --snapshot happens, mariadb hasn't got some of itself
still floating in RAM instead of pushed to disk?
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846 [09:45:01] <twb> SerajewelKS: I don't know how to
articulate that properly :-P
847 [09:45:03] <SerajewelKS> oh i think i see the difference.
fsfreeze may freeze the filesystem in a state where files may be
mid-unlink. mounting the filesystem results in orphaned inodes being
cleaned up. so that's consistent. maybe fsfreeze is happening
after all.
848 [09:45:16] <jelly> twb, what middleware. 30k rrd files on
disk, written to by half a dozen mostly perl forkers.
849 [09:45:27] <twb> jelly: haha
850 [09:45:33] <twb> jelly: so munin-era yukky
851 [09:45:52] <jelly> twb, no, this is from before munin.
852 [09:45:52] <SerajewelKS> twb: that _should_ not matter as
long as the snapshot is atomic (analogous to a power cut) since
mariadb/mysql use either a rollback journal or a WAL for writes
853 [09:46:02] <jelly> twb, google "cricket"
854 [09:46:10] <twb> jelly: if those people are still alive and
sane, point them at graphite
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856 [09:46:16] <SerajewelKS> twb: so starting mariadb against the
datadir results in a similar process as extN replaying the journal
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859 [09:46:26] <twb> SerajewelKS: re WAL, that makes sense
860 [09:46:54] <SerajewelKS> twb: the concern with myisam AIUI is
less the integrity of the database data structures and more your own
data integrity since you don't have transactions
861 [09:46:55] <twb> SerajewelKS: another obvious question: is
all of this on *ONE* ext4?
862 [09:47:07] <jelly> SerajewelKS, for innodb engine yes. myisam
are just hash structures on disk.
863 [09:47:08] <SerajewelKS> twb: e.g. the DB won't fuck it
up but your code might
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866 [09:47:55] <SerajewelKS> twb: erm, somewhat. each application
is, yes. e.g. mariadb's datadir is on a single volume. other
stuff might be on other volumes.
867 [09:48:02] <SerajewelKS> no application has stuff on two
volumes
868 [09:48:41] <SerajewelKS> jelly: even so, isn't there
some recovery mechanism for myisam? seems unlikely that it
wouldn't have been patched to be able to deal with a power cut
many years ago.
869 [09:49:04] <jelly> SerajewelKS, recovery process is
"casual inspection of metadata on start"
870 [09:49:08] <twb> When I said that to XFS people, they just
stared at me and said "buy a f*cking UPS"
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872 [09:49:34] <SerajewelKS> jelly: neat. so the "write your
buffers and stop doing shit" command is probably not that
optional.
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875 [09:49:43] <jelly> twb, they're fuckin idjeets who do
not realize UPS die and sometimes datacenters lose power
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877 [09:50:17] <twb> jelly: IIRC my XFS data loss was caused by
koopses, so no actual power loss at all, but hard reboots were
needed
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879 [09:50:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS, eeh. if you have data you
rely on, don't put it in myisam. If you can afford to lose a
couple dozen rows every now and then, go ahead
880 [09:50:38] <twb> At which point fsck.xfs was like "I
guess I could fix these files, but it's easier to just zero
them"
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882 [09:50:57] <SerajewelKS> jelly: due to retarded key length
limits in innodb, there isn't really a choice
883 [09:51:01] <jelly> twb, a lesson is learned
884 [09:51:34] <jelly> SerajewelKS, did you look at mariadb or
percona for key length updates?
885 [09:51:34] <twb> SerajewelKS: do you mean something like the
PK can be at most 32 columns?
886 [09:51:39] <SerajewelKS> jelly: yes
887 [09:51:46] <SerajewelKS> twb: no, the actual byte size
888 [09:52:16] <SerajewelKS> i can't remember the exact
issue, it was months ago that i tried this
889 [09:52:30] <SerajewelKS> but i can tell you i sunk four hours
into it and came away exceedingly frustrated with innodb
890 [09:52:48] <twb> jelly: did you know pg 9's regular
expressions give preferential treatment to Polish language over
Hebrew language? :-)
891 [09:53:13] <SerajewelKS> all of the research i did on the
problem led to the same conclusion: that table can't be
converted to innodb unless redesigned.
892 [09:53:13] <jelly> twb, I'm okay with that. We use the
same encoding as the Poles.
893 [09:53:29] <jelly> ^_^
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895 [09:53:38] <twb> jelly: specifically, [[:alpha:]] &c were
initially limited to the ASCII, and one of the devs extended it
slightly to cover some of the ISO-8859-x's. Supporting all of
Unicode had too big of a performance hit.
896 [09:53:47] <twb> It's fixed in pg 10, though
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898 [09:54:00] <twb> Confused my unit tests A LOT though
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902 [09:55:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS, and at that point you might
as well switch to Pg!
903 [09:55:41] <SerajewelKS> jelly: indeed
904 [09:55:49] <twb> Or LMDB!
905 [09:56:01] <SerajewelKS> it's a big enough effort
getting this beast from php 5.3 to 7.anything
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907 [09:56:21] <jelly> my favorite dns vendor is implementing a
lmdb backend. I'm not sure whether to be excited or scared
908 [09:56:35] <twb> knot and isc seem to use it already
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910 [09:56:50] <twb> What I want is sqlite3+lmdb to be mainline
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914 [09:59:22] <SerajewelKS> we're on php 5.3 and apache
2.2, if that gives you a window into the kind of labor i'll be
undertaking
915 [09:59:44] <SerajewelKS> i only recently got us off of mysql
5.0
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991 [10:40:54] <petn-randall> budder: You can choose whatever DE
you want, defaults are irrelevant.
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993 [10:41:57] <becks`> hi, I have jessie and added
"jessie-backports" to sources.list in order to install
libnginx-mod-http-headers-more-filter, but now I'm getting
this.. how can I fix it?
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994 [10:42:29] <jelly> dpkg, tell becks` about basic apt
troubleshooting
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1001 [10:44:13] <jelly> becks`: what was the exact command line
used? You may have forgotten to add -t jessie-backports option to
apt/apt-get/aptitude. Read
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1002 [10:44:58] <becks`> Thanks a lot jelly, this worked! =)
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1013 [10:47:58] <budder> petn-randall: i know. but in the past the
default has always been gnome in my experience. now for the first
time it is xfce. i am just wondering if this was a recent change
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1017 [10:50:35] <jelly> budder: which iso image did you install
from?
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1022 [10:52:16] <jelly> an iso with -xfce- in the name is going to
install xfce by default
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1024 [10:53:04] <jelly> and apparently 9.7 CD folder does _not_
have any gnome-carrying image
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1026 [10:53:42] <budder> jelly: okay got it, thanks. i didn't
know they changed the default to xfce now
1027 [10:53:56] <PaddyF> i bought all debian 9 dvds and thought
its a bit more social to use jigdo for updates. but from 9.4 to 9.6
it downloaded almost the entire dvds and it took a lot of time. is
that typical for jigdo?
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1030 [10:55:25] <jelly> budder: it's possible gnome just does
not fit onto a single CD any more
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1032 [10:55:48] <jelly> and it's possible gnome is still the
default DE for non-xfce images.
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1037 [10:57:36] <nr9032nsc6> Hi
1038 [10:57:50] <nr9032nsc6> I have a home router with a public IP
that changes every few days
1039 [10:58:03] <nr9032nsc6> My Linux computer is connected to it
1040 [10:59:04] <nr9032nsc6> I have a domain name, can I
dynamically link my home router to this domain name, or do I need to
run a script on this Linux/debian computer?
1041 [11:00:08] <jelly> nr9032nsc6: see if your registrar or dns
provider has a dyndns / ddns API
1042 [11:00:26] <KjetilK> nr9032nsc6: it is not possible to say on
a general basis, but there are many home routers on the market that
can be configured with a ddns
1043 [11:01:00] <KjetilK> if it has an admin interface, you could
look through that and see what you find
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1048 [11:02:16] <nr9032nsc6> KjetilK: indeed my home router has a
list of DynDNS providers (NoIP, etc.)
1049 [11:02:36] <ksk> PaddyF: jigdo is some peer-2-peer method to
get package (updates)? I dont think really anyone uses these. Id say
you can go with one of the many http-mirrors without bad feelings -
if you only have social reasons ;)
1050 [11:02:40] <KjetilK> nr9032nsc6: great, then yes, you should
be able to use it
1051 [11:02:50] <KjetilK> I'm using NoIP, works great for me
1052 [11:03:07] <nr9032nsc6> but I wondered if I can do it without
any 3rd party provider, and only my domain (example: mydomain.fr)
and my debian
1053 [11:03:23] <KjetilK> right
1054 [11:03:24] <ksk> nr9032nsc6: only if your domain registrar
supports it.
1055 [11:03:26] <PaddyF> ksk: hehe, okay :)
1056 [11:03:51] * KjetilK points at ksk and nods
1057 [11:04:01] <nr9032nsc6> ksk: I'll ask them, their
support is pretty good. What's the name of the service I should
ask them?
1058 [11:04:12] <KjetilK> dyndns
1059 [11:04:19] <ksk> PaddyF: most of the mirrors are either
provided by companies or by individuals who can afford the traffic,
so I dont think you will be hurting anyone.
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1061 [11:04:36] <KjetilK> I just use NoIP for registrar and
everything :-)
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1064 [11:05:48] <nr9032nsc6> KjetilK: Ok i'll ask them if
they have a "DynDNS API"? right?
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1066 [11:06:51] <jelly> right
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1068 [11:07:19] <KjetilK> nr9032nsc6: yup
1069 [11:07:26] <jelly> or google it. Or browse your dns settings
over there.
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1072 [11:08:59] <PaddyF> maybe i should create a "retro
debian" group
1073 [11:10:12] <PaddyF> next to jigdo i need to burry adriane and
festival as it seems
1074 [11:10:49] <jelly> debian is retro by default
1075 [11:10:52] * jelly hides
1076 [11:10:55] <PaddyF> :D
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1274 [12:41:27] <ksk> yo. are there tools to make services
available on $all ports? (like, for pentesting or so?) - I could
probably spawn one netcat per port, are there better options?
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1280 [12:45:10] <avu> you could use iptables with the multiport
extension to redirect all incoming connections to a single port but
I know of no tool that opens ~65k listening sockets for you
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1282 [12:45:49] <ksk> that sounds reasonable, thanks.
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1284 [12:46:21] <ksk> best exclude some ports beforhand though :D
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1286 [12:46:37] <Bodiro> Hi! Just read a few articles, but still
undecided: snap or flatpak - which one suites Debian better?
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1290 [12:47:37] <darxmurf> hi
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1292 [12:47:47] <petn-randall> !tell Bodiro -about crosspost
1293 [12:48:00] <ksk> From a Debian view of things you will use
debian packages. Not sure if any of the flat/snap (are there
others?) are recommended, I heard bad things..
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1297 [12:49:15] <Bodiro> ksk: Sure, deb-packages are first choice,
no doubt. But if I want a special program (-version), should I in
Debian use flatpak or better snap?
1298 [12:49:47] <ksk> there is a reason debian does not have
bleeding edge software. If you then get your recent whatever-app via
snap you live with the shortcomings of the used system. for example
your flat might be based on really outdated software XY with known
exploits. you will then use that until $flat-package-maintainer
chooses to update his package
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1301 [12:50:49] <ksk> from what these things promise to give you
it should kind of make no difference which you use, they bot are
"out of tree" when it comes to debian.
1302 [12:50:56] <ksk> Id go with your prefered system then..
1303 [12:51:23] <petn-randall> and now we've got the same
discussion on two channels ...
1304 [12:51:29] <Bodiro> ksk: ok, thx for your opinion
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1306 [12:52:07] <ksk> imho they are PPAs in bad (and the quality
of PPAs is not good)
1307 [12:52:24] <darxmurf> What are you using to backup windows
client from linux backup server ? not an imaging tool, only to
backup folders
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1310 [12:53:17] <Bodiro> petn-randall: Sorry for crosposting -
wasn't aware the mess :-(
1311 [12:53:55] <ksk> darxmurf: thats rather a windows guestion ;)
Id google for "windows backup client" in combination with
your backend (might it be NFS, SAMBA, or whatnot)
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1314 [12:55:26] <darxmurf> Well, for me it's more a linux
question as you can find plenty of stuffs on the web about windows
clients but I would like info from ppl who are using those stuffs
for real :-)
1315 [12:55:50] <darxmurf> I have bareos configured for the moment
but since the update of this morning, I can't connect the web
console ^^
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1333 [13:04:42] <xand> darxmurf: duplicati
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1337 [13:05:28] <darxmurf> this could be a good idea then yep !
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1406 [13:48:23] <fling> What is the latest cura version packaged?
1407 [13:48:26] <fling> Backports?
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1414 [13:51:04] <towo^work> i don't find any package
"cura"
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1427 [13:54:55] <jelly> fling: do you have an exact package name
maybe?
1428 [13:56:11] <fling> ^cura$
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1432 [13:57:04] <jelly> ,v cura
1433 [13:57:05] <judd> Package: cura on amd64 -- buster: 3.3.1-2;
sid: 3.3.1-2
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1442 [13:58:30] <jelly> ,i cura
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1444 [13:58:31] <judd> No package named 'cura' was found
in stretch/amd64.
1445 [13:58:36] <jelly> ,i cura --release sid
1446 [13:58:38] <judd> Package cura (misc, optional) in sid/amd64:
GUI G-code generator for 3D printers. Version: 3.3.1-2; Size:
9203.3k; Installed: 54577k; Homepage:
replaced-url
1447 [13:58:55] <jelly> no backports.
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1469 [14:19:42] <strixdio> omg...
1470 [14:19:51] <strixdio> idk if it's a chromium thing or a
debian thing...
1471 [14:20:20] <strixdio> every fresh debian install, install
chromium, and nothing but login issues.
1472 [14:20:32] <cryptodan> what kind of login issues
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1474 [14:21:14] <jim> strixdio, also which version of debian are
you freshly installing?
1475 [14:22:05] <cryptodan> website login issues, system login
issues, using su and sudo as well as pkexec issues?
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1477 [14:22:11] <strixdio> log in to chromium (sync) and it pulls
all my extensions as expected. beyond that it goes to crap lol.
lastpass: log in and many times it says that there's an issue
logging in okay, maybe lastpass issue? well.... log in to amazon,
type something in search, next page I'm logged out of amazon.
log in again.. do something else, logged out.
1478 [14:22:48] <joepublic> sounds like many kinds of login
issues. that must be frustrating.
1479 [14:22:52] <recj> hi, I'm trying to install this package
replaced-url
1480 [14:22:53] <strixdio> lastpass I had checked "remember
this computer for 30 days" after I reboot my system, I have to
re-log into lastpass
1481 [14:23:21] <jim> strixdio, howbout logging into debian
itself?
1482 [14:23:26] <cryptodan> strixdio: try from a new system
profile if you have a separate /home that you use at each install
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1484 [14:23:53] <strixdio> logging into debian is fine
1485 [14:24:01] <strixdio> lightdm comes up, logs me in perfectly.
1486 [14:24:10] <strixdio> I can log in*
1487 [14:24:10] <jim> ok, at least that part works :)
1488 [14:24:12] <strixdio> hehe yeah
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1491 [14:24:46] <strixdio> I don't like installing things
like chromium on my gentoo installs, but I am really curious if
things are different (assuming they're the same version)
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1493 [14:25:19] <strixdio> maybe I'll try a fedora install,
compare versions, compare performance... narrow down the issue to
distro or package
1494 [14:25:24] <jim> can you give a specific example of something
you use chrome to log into?
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1496 [14:25:33] <joepublic> emerge large-program (wait 2 days)
recipe failed
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1498 [14:25:46] <strixdio> amazon, lastpass, discord, telegram
1499 [14:26:05] <strixdio> haha joepublic well, that's partly
why I won't install it hahaha
1500 [14:26:11] <cryptodan> strixdio: create a new user on the
system
1501 [14:26:33] <jim> maybe it's something about it being a
fresh install that's slowing you down from logging in?
1502 [14:26:53] <cryptodan> then use chromium there to determine
if its a system wide issue or just an issue with your existing user
on the system
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1504 [14:27:35] <jim> do you have the old /home still, the one
where those logins worked?
1505 [14:27:43] <cryptodan> new user would crearte a new profile
clean of chromium cookies and other chromium saved attributes that
could be causing your login / logout issues
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1507 [14:28:02] <strixdio> jim: no, I don't keep my /home
ever
1508 [14:28:18] <jim> do you ever want to?
1509 [14:28:20] <strixdio> nope.
1510 [14:28:29] <joepublic> I have backups of /home spanning
years. Not sure why.
1511 [14:28:31] <strixdio> I live a very segregated life lol
1512 [14:28:44] <strixdio> segmented*
1513 [14:28:51] <strixdio> accidental racist
1514 [14:28:56] <strixdio> :/
1515 [14:29:08] <jim> hmm, aren't snakes segmented?
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1518 [14:29:30] <strixdio> posssssssibly
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1520 [14:29:46] <jim> or caterpillars :)
1521 [14:30:07] <strixdio> hmm
1522 [14:30:33] <strixdio> well, knowing that this has been on
multiple fresh installs, all new users, never carrying over a /home,
think it's still worth creating a new profile?
1523 [14:31:00] <jim> but seriously, a lot of folks keep their
/home because it's got all their old programs they were working
on, and other such personal files
1524 [14:31:14] <strixdio> I keep those in other places.
1525 [14:31:35] <joepublic> I personally think creating a new
profile could easily reveal an unsuspected configuration snafu that
your user accounts tend to get that the new account won't have.
but you must do what you feel is right, of course.
1526 [14:31:39] <jim> oh ok
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1528 [14:32:03] <cryptodan> strixdio: in that case then know, then
i would recommend trying to install chrome from
replaced-url
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1567 [14:55:59] <strixdio> yeah, google-chrome looks like it works
fine.
1568 [14:56:01] <strixdio> so far
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1570 [14:56:42] <strixdio> I guess I'll just use that for
now. I'm not the biggest fan of chrome vs chromium but eh, it
works.
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1586 [15:02:14] <strixdio> Thanks for the help :)
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1598 [15:09:42] <tangorri> hi
1599 [15:09:58] <tangorri> I try to kill a process but it
immediatly respawn ...
1600 [15:10:19] <greycat> What process, and who is respawning it?
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1602 [15:11:18] <tangorri> dunno what make it respawn (even after
reboot), it a dietpi-software process (friendly debian distro for
raspberry)
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1605 [15:12:29] <greycat> Use ps to find the parent process ID,
then see what the parent process is.
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1608 [15:12:36] <tangorri> when I logon I see some message about
missing sudo (no permission) like something is setup at boot time
but have no idea how to disable it
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1613 [15:13:07] <greycat> Ask your OS channel, or actually read
the error message and see what it wants.
1614 [15:13:11] <tangorri> greycat, I tried all the kill -9 pid
(after ps aex | grep Diet)
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1616 [15:13:16] <tangorri> no chennel
1617 [15:13:37] <greycat> !kill -9
1618 [15:13:38] * dpkg subjects -9 to excruciating pain with a Knoppix
CD
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1620 [15:13:48] <greycat> !listkeys -9
1621 [15:13:49] <dpkg> Factoid search of '-9' by key
(10): cmd: pciid ([0-9]*?) #DEL# ;; cmd: pciid .*?[[]([0-9a-f:]+).*
#DEL# ;; _default kill-9 ;; hvr-950 ;; kill-9 ;; cmd: pciid
[[]([0-9]*?)[]] #DEL# ;; nvidia dkms-96xx wheezy ;; nvidia dkms-96xx
squeeze ;; #debian kill-9 ;; cmd: pciid .*?[([0-9a-f:]+)\].* #DEL#.
1622 [15:13:55] <greycat> !kill-9
1623 [15:13:55] <dpkg> Do not use kill -9 unless you have to,
because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files,
closing sockets, informing its children about its death and other
nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2
<PID>" instead. If you didn't write the code, you
probably don't want to use kill -9.
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1626 [15:14:37] <tangorri> greycat, how can I get the parent
process id ?
1627 [15:14:43] <greycat> man ps
1628 [15:14:50] <tangorri> ok have a nice day
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1635 [15:20:00] <joepublic> Maybe the parent pid is "1"
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1637 [15:20:35] <greycat> We'll never know.
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1643 [15:25:38] <PaddyF> what can i do when the creation of the
revocation key in kpgp fails and no error details are available?
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1651 [15:31:47] <LtL> PaddyF: i have personally never heard of a
'revocation key.' you simply revoke an existing key.
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1654 [15:34:07] <nosklo> Hi guys! I need help upgrading an old
debian 6 system in a planned downtime of 6h max.... Is it even
possible?
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1657 [15:35:20] <SwedeMike> nosklo: you want to bring it to debian
9? Does this system have SSDs or HDDs?
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1659 [15:35:53] <SwedeMike> nosklo: does it have a lot of packages
installed or is this more of a base system?
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1661 [15:35:57] <nosklo> It is a virtual machine, but for
political reasons I would like to upgrade it from inside
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1663 [15:36:32] <nosklo> It has only server packages. Some python
and php web applications, apache and some specific network
configuration
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1666 [15:36:56] <nosklo> I don't have access to the host
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1668 [15:37:07] <SwedeMike> nosklo: it doesn't sound
impossible to make 6->7->8->9 in 6 hours. It'll all
depend on disk I/O speed basically.
1669 [15:37:13] <nosklo> But I have root in the debian 6 guest
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1672 [15:37:36] <nosklo> I could make multiple 6h sessions, as
long as I make everything work in between
1673 [15:37:42] <greycat> it'll also depend on how quickly
you can make changes to apache and php setups
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1675 [15:38:04] <SwedeMike> nosklo: I did 7->8->9 2-3 hours
on one machine with HDDs, but it didn't have much installed on
it.
1676 [15:38:10] <nosklo> How should I do it? I just point to some
debian 7 archive and dist upgrade?
1677 [15:38:14] <greycat> some of those upgrades will require
manual editing of apache configs, and I don't even know what
for php
1678 [15:38:30] <greycat> nosklo: read the release notes for each
upgrade individually
1679 [15:38:34] <SwedeMike> nosklo:
replaced-url
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1682 [15:38:54] <luna> stopped running OMV at work today
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1685 [15:39:15] <shtrb> nosklo, php 5 had changed syntax for some
functions it might need a dev on standby
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1687 [15:40:19] <nosklo> I'm reading SwedeMike link
1688 [15:40:25] <greycat> you can clone the VM and
"practice" with it in advance
1689 [15:40:38] <nosklo> Without host access?
1690 [15:40:56] <nosklo> Clone it from inside?
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1692 [15:41:23] <shtrb> As greycat had said, you could also ease
the pain by setting up a apt-cache to avoid redownloading everything
(if you are going to do the same job twice)
1693 [15:41:53] <greycat> I didn't say that, but OK.
1694 [15:42:45] <shtrb> I meant to say in addition to what greycat
have said, you could also ...
1695 [15:42:51] <shtrb> sorry !
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1711 [15:51:23] <SwedeMike> nosklo: when I did this, I made a copy
and did a practice run first on a separate machine.
1712 [15:51:57] <SwedeMike> nosklo: so I encourage you to do that
so you can discover any problems. Also if this is a VM, check if you
can snapshot it before starting the work so you can go back to where
it was before you started changing things.
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1714 [15:52:42] <greycat> He seems to be saying that he *has* no
access to the VM as a VM, for unstated reasons.
1715 [15:52:51] <nosklo> SwedeMike: unfortunately I only have root
ssh access
1716 [15:53:14] <nosklo> If I can clone it from inside, this could
work
1717 [15:53:20] <nosklo> I can create a local vm and transfer data
1718 [15:53:21] <SwedeMike> nosklo: ok, that's unfortunate.
Well, you can still make a backup of it anyhow to a different place
and play with it there.
1719 [15:53:47] <SwedeMike> nosklo: I dd:ed the drives over
network to a separate place, then ran rsync to get anything that
wasn't correct.
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1721 [15:54:10] <nosklo> That's a good idea
1722 [15:54:14] <SwedeMike> nosklo: basically dd the drives
(binary copy), run fsck, then perform rsync to make sure everything
was transferred correctly.
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1726 [15:54:52] <nosklo> I will try this. Report back in a few
days(?)
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1729 [15:56:17] <PaddyF> to a better understanding - i need to add
my openpg finger print to register via email for an account on a
website. does that mean just copy the finger print from my generated
key into the mail? or attach it to the fail or something else?
1730 [15:56:29] <nosklo> Hm, what if I could do the opposite?
Install a debian 9 system then inject it in the running VM somehow?
:D
1731 [15:57:17] <PaddyF> to the fail, i mean to the mail
1732 [15:57:49] <karlpinc> PaddyF: Your question is all about what
"the website" wants. We don't know.
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1735 [15:58:11] <PaddyF> try to focus on the finger print part
then
1736 [15:58:38] <greycat> well, we have no idea what it wants; try
asking it
1737 [15:59:11] <xand> PaddyF: you probably need to configure your
email client to use gpg
1738 [15:59:11] <PaddyF> okay, i keep trying on my own then.
thanks
1739 [15:59:19] <xand> PaddyF: e.g. use engimail in thunderbird
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1741 [15:59:41] <xand> that's how you'd normally use
those things together, not sure about that website!
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1744 [16:00:37] <joepublic> +1 "Try to focus on the part you
know something about"
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1751 [16:06:59] <pagetelegram> Good morning; got very discouraged
when I looked up how to start scripts at load time and got very
discouraged with the work invovled to do simple stuff. I have three
simple two line scripts that mount a drive, change screen for
overscan issues and shut off power management. What's the
quickest way to auto load for a specific user?
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1754 [16:07:49] <pagetelegram> with init.d this stuff was a piece
of cake
1755 [16:08:06] <greycat> "load" is not a recognized
word in this context. You either run something at BOOT time (as
root, or as any user), or at LOGIN time (as the user who logged in).
1756 [16:08:18] <greycat> init.d implies you were doing something
at BOOT time
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1758 [16:08:31] <greycat> but your question includes the phrase
"for a specific user", which implies otherwise
1759 [16:08:34] <greycat> it's all very confusing
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1761 [16:09:01] <pagetelegram> I want to execute three scripts for
a specific user and load time.
1762 [16:09:07] <greycat> *plonk*
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1764 [16:09:08] <pagetelegram> *and = at
1765 [16:09:17] <greycat> Literally the FIRST thing I said.
1766 [16:09:27] <karlpinc> pagetelegram: Great. Now tell us what
"load time" is.
1767 [16:09:35] <pagetelegram> boot time
1768 [16:09:48] <joepublic> so, for any user, then
1769 [16:10:04] <joepublic> doesn't get much simpler than
/etc/rc.local
1770 [16:10:21] <pagetelegram> Oh that's what I was hoping.
That is still there for systemd setups?
1771 [16:10:26] <karlpinc> pagetelegram: You want them to _run_ as
a specific user?
1772 [16:10:32] <pagetelegram> yes
1773 [16:10:35] <joepublic> yes. there is a systemd service that
runs /etc/rc.local at boot time.
1774 [16:10:38] <Ingvix> hey, where could I get a list of default
packages that buster installer would install mirrors enabled? I had
to install it without mirrors because of some sort of bug with
british dictionary or something like that and after that it seemed
to fail every operation.
1775 [16:10:48] <pagetelegram> thanks
1776 [16:10:59] <greycat> !debian-next
1777 [16:11:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1778 [16:11:00] <karlpinc> pagetelegram: Run them with
"su" in rc.local.
1779 [16:11:06] <Ingvix> oh, right, sorry
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1782 [16:11:20] <greycat> Better would be to install setpriv and
use that instead of su.
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1784 [16:11:43] <pagetelegram> setpriv hmmm....I'll look into
that. Thanks
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1787 [16:12:57] <Ingvix> well, it's invite only channel. And
I don't think the answer would be that much different between
stretch and buster...
1788 [16:13:03] <greycat> *plonk*
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1792 [16:13:18] <PaddyF> xand: thanks, things go very easy with
enigmail
1793 [16:13:57] <Ingvix> oh
1794 [16:14:00] <pagetelegram> rc.local is a new file off /etc
will it see it and run the scripts specified at boot time?
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1806 [16:21:42] <EdePopede> pagetelegram: "there is a systemd
service that runs /etc/rc.local at boot time." sounds so, yes
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1813 [16:23:15] <pagetelegram> Does it run the rc.local after X11
loads? I'm also doing some randr argumnent for overscan issue.
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1819 [16:24:12] <EdePopede> what's the future of this file
anyway? i think i've read something here about it being
deprecated now as having been a patchy solution anyway all the time
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1822 [16:24:51] <greycat> I can't imagine it being taken
completely away.
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1824 [16:25:17] <EdePopede> pagetelegram: TIAS. you could run ps
at the start of the file and redirect the output to see the current
situation
1825 [16:25:36] <greycat> If the rc-local unit is ever removed,
you could always just copy it from a stretch system into your future
system's /etc/systemd/system/ and voila.
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1828 [16:27:58] <EdePopede> ah, found this one
replaced-url
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1830 [16:28:24] <EdePopede> and again one of these
"duplication!!!" entries -.-
1831 [16:28:32] <greycat> And yet, there is an elegant simplicity
to it that people ARE going to embrace.
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1834 [16:28:56] <EdePopede> "elegant simplicity",
that's the point
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1836 [16:29:09] <greycat> "I just want to run this one damned
shell command at boot time" is better served by rc.local than
by setting up an entire systemd unit just to run one stupid command.
1837 [16:29:18] <dArF1k> hi everyone
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1844 [16:32:34] <EdePopede> hi dArF1k. system up and running?
1845 [16:32:54] <EdePopede> perhaps i really should reboot, only
this would kill my uptime :/
1846 [16:33:13] <Haohmaru> noooooo, teh precioussss
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1849 [16:34:55] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: i hab so many system hangs
over the last year, that's just like finally having enough to
eat after spending month somewhere in the wild
1850 [16:35:11] <dArF1k> I see strange behavior on my debian
machines. I have eth0 and ppp0 interface, I use dnsmasq to assign
static ip on eth0 and provide DHCP service. Then I do maquarade to
provide internet access to clients connected to eth via ppp0
… all works great for day, two, sometimes for weeks. Then
client on eth0 looses connection to internet. iptraf shows it sends
packets on eth0 and they are somehow not routed to ppp0. I tried to
remove masquar
1851 [16:35:11] <dArF1k> de from iptables and re-add and that did
not help. I tried to ifconfig eth0 down and then up.. it will
re-assing ip to client but routing still does not work… if I
reboot machine everything will be OK for a while. If anyone could
point me at right direction where should I search for issue.. I have
machine in this "not working" state now and I'd like
to find what causes it if possible
1852 [16:35:44] <EdePopede> and last but not least you always
could point windows users to your uptime when they had to reboot the
3rd time on that day :P
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1855 [16:37:29] <EdePopede> my old all purpose PC running an all
purpose debian stable now has longer uptimes than the closed source
modem my cable provider gave me.
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1906 [17:09:19] <johnfg> hi guys
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1908 [17:09:49] <johnfg> how do I get libnss-ldapd to start with
systemd. It seems as though there's a bug with this.
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1921 [17:15:54] <Wulf> it's a lib. why would a lib start?
1922 [17:16:00] <karlpinc> dArF1k: The first place to look is the
logs.
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1932 [17:17:49] <johnfg> Sorry for it being unclear: it's for
nss-lookup and nss-user-lookup services
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1939 [17:20:02] <karlpinc> johnfg: Is it enabled?
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1941 [17:20:59] <johnfg> karlpinc: Right now, there's only
nss-lookup.target and nss-user-lookup.target, and they don't
work for enabling.
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1956 [17:27:32] <dArF1k> karlpinc: I looked into logs and nothing
in there. What I just found is that iptables -t nat -F and then
re-adding masquatrade will fix issue. I setup crontab job to do it
on regular basis for now
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1959 [17:27:48] <dArF1k> looks like something gets overloaded or
crashes.. but no logs
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1965 [17:30:38] <johnfg> Now, I'll have to wait until I get
to the office to fix it. Locked out because of user/passwd only in
openldap, and I logged out :-(
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1979 [17:39:02] <dka_> hi
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1981 [17:39:20] <dka_> is there a bash brut force script I can use
? with parallel maybe ?
1982 [17:40:07] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
1983 [17:40:23] <dka_> login into the router
1984 [17:40:33] <greycat> *plonk*
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1987 [17:41:16] <dka_> is there one ?
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1994 [17:43:23] <dka_> greycat, why?
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2021 [18:00:01] <poh> i am trying to run etch in a vm what do i
have to add to sources.list to get it to allow me to run apt-get. i
think i should be doing something with snapshot.debian.org
2022 [18:00:14] <bitess> !archive
2023 [18:00:14] <dpkg> well, archive is a collection of files.
'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving
tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate
operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
releases, see
replaced-url
2024 [18:00:32] <jelly> !ado
2025 [18:00:32] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported
releases at
replaced-url
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2029 [18:01:14] <jelly> SuperDome, switch off your !ado replying
script in here
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2031 [18:01:32] <jelly> !adops
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2033 [18:02:56] <jelly> poh, that's what you want to look at
probably
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2038 [18:07:29] <poh> bitess: thanks jelly
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2053 [18:16:45] <MyTwoCents[TM]> poh also the vm host needs to
allow the guest os network access
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2056 [18:17:17] <poh> MyTwoCents[TM]: that is done
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2062 [18:18:24] <shtrb> nosklo, I had to rewrite good portions of
php code when I had migrated sqqueeze to wheezy (5.3 to 5.6 was a
pain for some modules and defaults)
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2066 [18:19:53] <shtrb> Well that came with a delay
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2069 [18:21:20] <MannyLNJ> How can I have Thunderbird start
automaticlly when I log on to my Debian 9 system?
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2074 [18:23:33] <karlpinc> MannyLNJ: A lot of desktops will let
you configure them to re-open existing windows automatically.
Otherwise, I don't know. Maybe the desktop you use has an
option. I'm sure there's other ways but I don't know
what to recommend.
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2076 [18:23:53] <shtrb> MannyLNJ, what DE ? (KDE , Gnome , ... )
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2105 [18:39:14] <MannyLNJ> shtrb, I don't know my default
desktop
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2111 [18:42:12] <n4dir> if you picked the default during
installation, you probably run gnome MannyLNJ
2112 [18:42:25] <MannyLNJ> Ahh I am using XFCE acccording to the
appicatons menu
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2119 [18:45:01] <MannyLNJ> The reason I want to do this is my
email provider has terrible sorting options and I want to run
Thunderird on a disused laptop to filter mail to folders
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2122 [18:46:40] <mtn> MannyLNJ: add it to your startup apps. open
menu, type: startup
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2128 [18:50:21] <MannyLNJ> I can't locate the menu to chose
startup. I can't I believe I am so clueless
2129 [18:51:37] <mutante> predicts that email provider is google..
because that was the reason for me as well to use thunderbird.. cant
sort alphabetically and refuse to implement it
2130 [18:52:16] <n4dir> MannyLNJ: what you can do too is let the
apps you want to autostart open, log out and click on "save
<something>", though that is the default, iirc
2131 [18:52:30] <n4dir> i't do it the proper way, as told by
mtn though
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2140 [18:53:53] <MannyLNJ> mutante, my mail hose is Zoho and they
are dumping it all in spam so I need to do filter it all back to the
correct folders
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2233 [20:02:32] <PaddyF> i exported the private key that i created
in kgpg to be able to use some openssl magic like "openssl rsa
-inform pem -in private_key.pem -outform pem -out
private_key_try2.pem". but the format of the exported key is
wrong. its in file.asc
2234 [20:02:53] <PaddyF> could somebody show me how i can convert
that?
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2255 [20:14:04] <ZombyWoof> In linux Mint when I typ "i I get
ï the double quote is on top of the i. How can I get this
behaviour in Debian?
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2258 [20:14:33] <greycat> You without pressing Compose first?
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2261 [20:14:44] <greycat> You mean*
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2263 [20:15:15] <ZombyWoof> always, if you want to type " you
have to type " + spacebar
2264 [20:15:30] <greycat> So I guess that's a "Yes,
without pressing Compose".
2265 [20:15:48] <greycat> I think I might have heard of that
somewhere within the last few months, but damned if I can remember
where.
2266 [20:15:51] <ZombyWoof> I don' t know what compose is,
maybe that will work too for me
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2268 [20:16:10] <greycat> The *NORMAL* way this is done:
replaced-url
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2270 [20:16:19] <ZombyWoof> maybe klaas knows, he seems like a
dutch guy :)
2271 [20:16:46] <ZombyWoof> thanks for the link, gonna check it
out now
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2274 [20:18:06] <klaas> not dutch, sorry
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2278 [20:18:57] <ZombyWoof> Klaas is a verry Dutch name :) np
2279 [20:19:04] <greycat> I wonder what would happen if you put
sequences that *don't* start with <Multi_key> in your
~/.XCompose file. Maybe that's how it's done?
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2283 [20:19:50] <greycat> Yup. I did <a> <b> <c>
: "x" and then opened a new terminal and it worked.
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2292 [20:20:19] <greycat> So you could define things like
<"> <i> : <ï>
2293 [20:20:25] <greycat> oops
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2295 [20:20:30] <greycat> So you could define things like
<"> <i> : "ï"
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2299 [20:21:07] <greycat> There may be other ways to do it, but I
don't know them.
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2305 [20:22:39] <shinzo> Hello, how do I find out why a package
was installed? ex: was installed as a dependency of pkg X
2306 [20:22:56] <ZombyWoof> greycat: thanks for helping, gonna try
it out. But I'm not that fast.....
2307 [20:22:59] <greycat> "aptitude why pkgname"
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2309 [20:23:38] <shinzo> greycat: is there a similar apt or dpkg
command?
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2312 [20:24:22] <n4dir> i don't think so, but i recently
learned that there is even aptitude why-not ... no clue what it does
though (yeah, probably the manpage does)
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2314 [20:24:52] <greycat> shinzo: "apt install aptitude;
aptitude why pkgname"
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2317 [20:25:25] <shinzo> ;)
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2321 [20:28:26] <shinzo> found out with apt-cache showpkg
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2334 [20:33:55] <ZombyWoof> Thanks greycat. It is working, so now
I'm able to use those special charracters. Still I'm not
sure if I can get used to it, Mint has the same behavour as Windows
and I am used to this for many years now. At least I can get on with
my work now, but it would be great if I can find out how Mint does
make it work like it does.
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2336 [20:34:23] <greycat> ask the Mint channel
2337 [20:34:32] <ZombyWoof> Good idea :)
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2339 [20:34:55] <ZombyWoof> If I find out I'll let you know
;)
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2347 [20:39:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
2348 [20:39:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> what identity tool can i use in
debian stable like freeipa?
2349 [20:39:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> i just need to make a couple users,
would be nice if its something i can do in work too
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2352 [20:40:18] <DoomPatrol> i don't think there is an
comparable option to freeipa
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2355 [20:40:36] <DoomPatrol> outside of openldap +
alltheotherthings
2356 [20:40:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok which ldap system is best
2357 [20:41:04] <DoomPatrol> thats a subjective question tbh,
it's up to you & your needs.
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2359 [20:41:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> just need something small and not
going to explode
2360 [20:41:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> or break
2361 [20:41:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got kerberos running ,
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2363 [20:43:42] <johnfg> anyone know how <service>.target
gets used/enabled/activated by systemd?
2364 [20:44:30] <greycat> .target is like a run level. Kind of.
2365 [20:44:57] <johnfg> greycat: I read the man page, but not
clear to me how I get it used.
2366 [20:45:08] <greycat> What are you trying to DO?
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2368 [20:46:29] <johnfg> I need nss-lookup-user.target activated,
but I don't know how.
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2371 [20:47:30] <greycat> what does "systemctl status
nss-lookup-user.target" say?
2372 [20:47:49] <johnfg> I want my users and passwords in
openldap, NOT in /etc/passsd and /etc/shadow. This is done on my two
stretch machines, but I don't remember how I did it.
2373 [20:47:56] <johnfg> greycat: I'll check that...
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2378 [20:49:46] <johnfg>
replaced-url
2379 [20:50:05] <ZombyWoof> greycat: They aswer is in settings
keyboard layout. I do not know the right layout yet, but gonna
reboot now, to find out what it is set to in Mint.
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2383 [20:51:16] <greycat> It's possible that their default
/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose (or equivalent) files have
all those shortened sequences that I described.
2384 [20:51:57] <johnfg> greycat: Do you know what calls the
.target files?
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2387 [20:52:35] <greycat> The default target is shown by
"systemctl get-default". There's probably a
dependency tree.
2388 [20:52:58] <greycat> If the real question is "how 2
ldap" then I personally don't know, but there must be some
common resources/docs for it.
2389 [20:54:42] <johnfg> greycat: It may be something that
isn't quite right with buster. so my problem.
2390 [20:55:28] <johnfg> I've had this working ever since
systemd was available for debian, using openldap for users/passwords
and such, but didn't have this problem.
2391 [20:55:57] <johnfg> Running with no problems on my 2 stretch
machines.
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2398 [20:59:08] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: systemctl enable
nss-lookup.target I think.
2399 [20:59:21] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: It creates symlinks to the
active folder.
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2401 [20:59:31] <ZombyWoof> greycat: It was there all the time
waiting for me :) Layout: English(US) Variant:
English(US,international with dead keys) works like a charm. Thanks
for helping me.
2402 [20:59:33] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: You have to both enable and
start it.
2403 [20:59:49] <greycat> Oh yes, "dead keys" was a
phrase I heard when I saw whatever it was.
2404 [21:00:10] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: mint has lots of good
documentation on systemd stuff. (Which is surprising since it's
a RedHat project.)
2405 [21:00:19] <greycat> A colorful phrase with absolutely no
clear meaning at all.
2406 [21:00:44] <johnfg> Thanks, I'm gonna reboot into buster
now and give it another try.
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2408 [21:00:45] <ZombyWoof> I've seen it before too, but I
did not think of it
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2424 [21:08:03] <wMw> hello. what is the best solution to clone
system hard disk with debian 9.7 installed to new hard disk?
2425 [21:10:10] <wMw> actual I have old hdd with 120GB capacity
and operation system installed and the new one with 500GB free
capacity
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2427 [21:10:32] <mutante> keep the old one as OS disk and mount
the new 500GB on /home ?
2428 [21:11:33] <wMw> I want to change it because I see some
errors to dmesg
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2430 [21:11:40] <wMw> [2665495.074725] ata1.00: irq_stat
0x08000000, interface fatal error
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2432 [21:11:59] <wMw> [2665495.079512] ata1.00: failed command:
READ FPDMA QUEUED
2433 [21:12:38] <greycat> OK, well, the new disk isn't the
same size, so you can't literally just "clone" the
old one. You can create partitions, and then file systems, on the
new one, and copy each file system over. And then install GRUB.
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2435 [21:13:08] <greycat> You'd also need to edit /etc/fstab
because the new file systems will have different UUIDs.
2436 [21:13:13] <mutante> wMw: ah! in that case .. i would rsync
/home and /root and make a backup of /etc just in case .. and
reinstall OS on new disk
2437 [21:13:35] <greycat> A clean reinstall followed by copying
the old /home is also an option.
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2439 [21:13:41] <mutante> also i'd keep a copy of "dpkg
--get-selections" to remember what i had installed
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2441 [21:15:09] <wMw> ok :) I've tried to escape with a new
reinstall but.. :) I see this is the best option
2442 [21:15:25] <mutante> i think it might be quicker than the
other way
2443 [21:15:39] <greycat> Depends on how heavily you customized
the old one.
2444 [21:16:34] <mutante> install on new disk, mount old disk on
/mnt or something, use rsync a lot
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2447 [21:17:34] <greycat> you can safely rsync the old /home and
/opt and /usr/local but you can't do that with /etc
2448 [21:18:05] <greycat> if you've got mysql or postgresql
databases, etc. ... those should be dealt with carefully and
individually
2449 [21:18:27] <mutante> right, iould typically make a tarball
out of etc and keep that ..just in case i need to have a specifig
config file that i customized and need back
2450 [21:18:38] <mutante> it's small too
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2452 [21:18:50] <wMw> I have dovecot+postfix+mysql+apache2
installed on it :) it's mail server
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2454 [21:20:15] <mutante> take the output of "dpkg
--get-selections" and keep it in a text file, copy that over,
then use "dpkg --set-selections" on the other side to read
from that file.. this way you already saved all the manual
installing and have the same packages as before
2455 [21:20:47] <mutante> on case-by-case basis you can also copy
the /etc/ file .. just not all
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2462 [21:24:16] <wMw> ok. thank you
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2505 [21:54:26] <pagetelegram> In /dev what is the 9-pin serial
device (ie COM1) called ? Just got a serial modem and ready to test
first fax.
2506 [21:54:59] <pagetelegram> It is a hardware modem so
shouldn't need any driver either.
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2510 [21:56:37] <leibniz> how to install the english dictionaries
for aspell?
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2513 [21:58:26] <jmcnaught> ,info aspell-en
2514 [21:58:27] <judd> Package aspell-en (text, optional) in
stretch/amd64: English dictionary for GNU Aspell. Version:
2016.11.20-0-0.1; Size: 292.3k; Installed: 423k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2515 [21:58:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys can you help me i am trying
to get kerberos login working via ssh
2516 [21:58:37] <Eryn_1983_FL>
replaced-url
2517 [21:58:40] <leibniz> i did that already
2518 [21:58:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am not sure i got krb setup right
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2521 [21:59:15] <leibniz> why doesn't my weechat recognize
them
2522 [21:59:45] <greycat> is it ... supposed to?
2523 [22:00:45] <leibniz> yes
2524 [22:00:47] <leibniz> it was working before
2525 [22:00:54] <pagetelegram> found it, /dev/ttyS0 and efax
command recognized my modem. Now time to get it to understand the
Hayes protocols.
2526 [22:00:58] <greycat> what did you change?
2527 [22:01:03] <leibniz> i have aspell installed
2528 [22:01:09] <leibniz> idk i installed a bunch of english
dictionaries
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2530 [22:01:14] <leibniz> and i recently had to reformat
2531 [22:01:34] <jmcnaught> leibniz: did you install
weechat-plugins?
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2535 [22:02:10] <uio> leibniz, Don't worry, reformating is
necessary even in the best of all possible worlds :)
2536 [22:02:17] <leibniz> yes i followed the install instructions
on the website
2537 [22:02:38] <leibniz> i reformatted after 1.5 years
2538 [22:02:54] <leibniz> i had this working before
2539 [22:03:04] <leibniz> and the weechat people won't help
me because they say it's a debian issue
2540 [22:03:12] <leibniz> but weechat isn't even detecting
the dictionaries
2541 [22:03:18] <uio> leibniz, And here they say it is a weechat
issue?
2542 [22:03:53] <leibniz> no i haven't gotten aany feedback
from here
2543 [22:04:06] <uio> leibniz,
replaced-url
2544 [22:04:26] <leibniz> after installing aspell-en i list the
available dictionaries and en_US is not on there
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2546 [22:05:54] <zenpac> I can't seem to get my system to
register its hostname in the dhcp server. Is there some trick? i set
it in /etc/network/interfaces under the dhcp interface declaration.
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2548 [22:07:18] <uio> leibniz, Sorry, other than for making link
jokes, I'm pretty useless here...
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2552 [22:09:43] <jmcnaught> leibniz: "aspell dicts" does
this list the correct dictionaries?
2553 [22:09:50] <leibniz> figured it
2554 [22:09:59] <leibniz> i figured it out thanks
2555 [22:10:05] <leibniz> i just had to refresh the plugin
2556 [22:10:14] <leibniz> i knew it was simple the weechat support
was just giving me the run around
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2560 [22:12:19] <leibniz> ty tho
2561 [22:13:05] <asterismo_l> hi, i need holp configuring nfs in 3
debian PCs
2562 [22:13:19] <asterismo_l> i cannot mount remote folder on
clients
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2568 [22:16:49] <vlt> asterismo_l: What did you do, what did you
expect to happen and what happened instead?
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2572 [22:18:25] <asterismo_l> i think that it is maybe or the nfs
version protocol, or the firewall
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2574 [22:18:42] <asterismo_l> i exported the share, but remote
clients cannot mount it
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2578 [22:20:01] <vlt> asterismo_l: What did you do to "export
the share"? What did the clients do to mount it?
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2584 [22:22:42] <asterismo_l> i configured the /etc/exports and in
clients edited the /etc/fstab
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2586 [22:23:00] <KjetilK> asterismo_l: firewalls are notoriously
difficult with NFS, I gave up on that myself, it seemed like you had
to have a lot of ports open because the interaction can go over so
many different ports, and it seemed not entirely predictable
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2589 [22:23:25] <asterismo_l> when i try to mount remote dir
manually i get "portmap query failed: RPC: Remote system error
- Connection refused"
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2594 [22:24:20] <KjetilK> I ended up using NFS only over a wired
LAN with no firewall, on clients over Wifi with firewall between the
clients and server, I'm using Samba
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2599 [22:26:56] <galaxie> In this README, it says something about
using Mumble as input device:
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2601 [22:27:06] <galaxie> How would I do that in Debian?
There's just a screenshot
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