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2 [00:03:19] <Azrael_-> hi
3 [00:03:31] <Azrael_-> if i install just the basic debian os,
how much disk space does it need?
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5 [00:04:25] <iTeV> Azrael_-, I suggest you take a look at
this:
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6 [00:04:35] <iTeV> ^ for i386 based systems
7 [00:04:39] <iTeV> for AMD64:
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11 [00:05:57] <Azrael_-> thanks
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21 [00:11:55] <minus> is there some kind of guide/checklist when
installing via debootstrap? the normal installer doesn't let me
do what i want
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24 [00:17:22] <bites> minus: the installation manual has a
guide.
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27 [00:19:10] <minus> ah, that looks helpful indeed but
unfortuantely doesn't address dm-crypt and LVM
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29 [00:20:44] <Azrael_-> what do you try what it doesn't
allow you to do?
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31 [00:21:20] <minus> it doesn't support lvm thin volumes
32 [00:21:20] <Azrael_-> (also currently installing a
non-standard setup)
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34 [00:21:43] <Azrael_-> mind to explain what this is? never
heard of thin volumes
35 [00:22:05] <bites> it allows you to overprovision with lvm.
36 [00:22:32] <Azrael_-> impossible to change a normal lvm to
"thin" lateron?
37 [00:23:12] <bites> probably not that easy.
38 [00:23:15] <RoyK> iirc lvm volumes cannot be changed to thin
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41 [00:23:35] <minus> i guess i could just create a second
volume as thin and copy the data over
42 [00:23:39] <RoyK> I've only tried thin volumes on jessie
- it didn't work too well
43 [00:24:03] <RoyK> minus: doesn't work too well if the
primary volume is the root
44 [00:24:35] <RoyK> better separate root and data
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47 [00:25:51] <minus> i want root in an LVM because snapshots
48 [00:26:04] <minus> thin makes that easier too
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50 [00:27:08] * RoyK mutters something about zfs
51 [00:27:25] * minus mutters something about zfs speed
52 [00:27:38] <RoyK> same thing, basically
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54 [00:28:49] <RoyK> minus: have you tried zfs?
55 [00:28:56] <minus> yes
56 [00:29:18] <RoyK> what was the problem?
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58 [00:30:26] <minus> very bad r/w speed. i'm using it on
arch on an SSD (ontop of dm-crypt tbf). getting seq read speed of
~55MiB/s
59 [00:31:04] <RoyK> erm - ARC on top of dm-crypt doesn't
seem like a very good idea
60 [00:31:39] <Azrael_-> how should i name lvm volume groups?
61 [00:31:54] <RoyK> Azrael_-: just as you want to
62 [00:32:15] <RoyK> vgcreate fjottfittegreie /dev/sdX
63 [00:32:21] <Azrael_-> hehe, ok
64 [00:32:40] <Azrael_-> currently using the text-installer
65 [00:33:19] <RoyK> I usually create a VG named sys for the
system drive(s) and then do the rest manually
66 [00:33:52] <minus> RoyK: i didn't set up any dedicated
ARC though, and encryption is non-negotiable
67 [00:34:30] <RoyK> minus: how do you store the encryption
keys? typing manually at bootup?
68 [00:34:46] <minus> yeah
69 [00:35:00] <RoyK> minus: and what if the system is
compromised?
70 [00:35:00] <minus> that particular one is my desktop
71 [00:36:58] <minus> someone modifying the system without my
knowledge is nothing i can do something about
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74 [00:38:58] <Azrael_-> minus: boot partition is unencrypted,
right? or are there even some better options?
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76 [00:39:36] <minus> yes; SecureBoot/TPM may be something
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78 [00:40:32] <Azrael_-> ok, too complicated. will stick to
unencrypted boot and luks for the rest
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84 [00:45:10] <bites> i fail to see how thin volumes make
snapshots easier.
85 [00:45:40] <Azrael_-> already feared raid+lvm+luks would be
impossible to do without manual intervention but it seems like it
worked like a charm
86 [00:45:47] <minus> bites: the snapshot will just use space
from the same thinpool and you don't need to worry about
setting space aside
87 [00:46:26] <minus> would be cool if you could put snapshots
of non-thin volumes in a thin pool
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89 [00:47:08] <Azrael_-> which could make it difficult for the
pool to decide when to get rid of the "old" snapshots
automatically
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93 [00:49:14] <Azrael_-> i think about setting up snapshots on
my nas for providing some "backup" just in case something
goes wrong. e.g. a virus tries to encrypt everything on the nas
which can be accessed using smb. here the snapshot would just become
invalid as soon as the virus had changed too much. how could i
counter such a scenario?
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105 [01:01:06] <bites> minus: ah, i see what you mean.
106 [01:01:42] <minus> installing with normal LVM with the
installer now
107 [01:01:50] <minus> let's see if grub will fail
108 [01:02:15] <minus> i did partition the disks manually before
though and create the grub_bios partition
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150 [01:36:34] <Azrael_-> i want to use dropbear to unlock the
encrypted root partition. can i set up dropbear not to use ssh-keys
but user+pass?
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157 [01:43:47] <mephistolist> The dropbear software is just like
SSH. It listens on a port and only encrypts connections, not a disk.
It is possible to configure with or without a password though. If
you need disk encryption I'd probably suggest Luks.
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159 [01:46:32] <bites> i believe they were talking about
dropbear-initramfs to encrypt the system over ssh.
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161 [01:47:00] <bites> * unlock the system
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169 [01:50:04] <Azrael_-> bites: correct
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179 [01:58:43] <bug> if you have access to cryptsetup at
commandline through the connection, you can unlock the encrypted
partition manually
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189 [02:06:46] <bug> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdXY
<somename>.
190 [02:06:46] <bug> (enter password). then it's available
to be mounted as /dev/mapper/<somename>.
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193 [02:07:52] <Azrael_-> bug: my problem is, that until now my
dropbear-setup only allows me to connect it using ssh-keys but i
want to use user+pass and until now i haven't found out how to
accomplish this
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228 [02:25:15] <flound1129> is there a quickstart on setting up
the graphite packages in stretch-backports? There doesn't seem
to be any autocnfig
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236 [02:34:39] <bites> flound1129: i can't check right now,
but have you looked in /usr/share/doc/graphite-web/ ?
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238 [02:35:00] <maxxe> is libyui available from som custom repo?
why isn't it in debian atm?
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245 [02:41:18] <bites> flound1129: from the dependencies it also
looks like graphite is using the django development server. if
that's the case you probably want to change that to use apache
or nginx for the web frontend. it does have an apache conf in
/usr/share/graphite-web/apache2-graphite.conf
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270 [02:54:35] <flound1129> bites: thx
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292 [03:10:18] <ryouma> i did a chroot on a device, mounting /sys
and so on. but it did not umount. if i try to umount it, it says in
use. "systemd-l 1299 root 6r REG 0,14 4096 3763
/sys/devices/virtual/tty/tty0/active". why is systemd still
using it?
293 [03:10:30] <ryouma> (jessie)
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298 [03:11:57] <aokfire> Hi, I want to run two mount commands on
boot but I want to run them before ANY user processes are run
299 [03:12:03] <aokfire> or any user crontab jobs
300 [03:12:16] <aokfire> example, I have a crontab job under my
general user to start a program that needs mounts
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303 [03:12:54] <somiaj> why not just use fstab, that should mount
things early enough.
304 [03:13:03] <aokfire> here:
305 [03:13:29] <aokfire> mount --bind
/mnt/usermounts/files/backup/ /home/specialuser/backups
306 [03:13:48] <aokfire> mount -o remount,bind,ro
/home/specialuser/backups
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309 [03:14:18] <aokfire> then remount as read only
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311 [03:14:29] <aokfire> /mnt/usermounts is mounted with fstab,
but what I do here is bind a specific folder to another specific
folder
312 [03:14:34] <aokfire> *then remount as read only
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316 [03:14:55] <aokfire> special user who only needs RO access to
a backup folder
317 [03:14:57] <aokfire> not the whole mount
318 [03:15:20] <aokfire> could I run those two commands in fstab?
319 [03:15:43] <somiaj> seems strange to me why you want to do
this with mount, couldn't you just set up permsions in such a
way the user can only read that file, then make a link if really
needed?
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324 [03:16:33] <aokfire> yeah it's odd, it's per the
application we're using
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352 [03:40:37] <Project86__> I have a debian based arm on rpi3 b+
and this particular distro (only the arm version of it actually),
doesn't have the Bluetooth gui. What's the easiest way to
add it back in?
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365 [03:50:18] <somiaj> Project86__: go ask the debian-based
distro support you are using.
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369 [03:51:57] * Project86__ spaced out and did it right after sending
this
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372 [03:52:36] <Project86__> Forgot I was in that distros
channel, my bad
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380 [04:04:25] <n-iCe> Hello friends, is this the stable version?
firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
381 [04:05:04] <somiaj> yes, that is the current stable, stretch
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383 [04:09:11] <n-iCe> is testing a way to stop downloadnig a new
iso in the next release?
384 [04:10:09] <ryouma> no
385 [04:10:18] <ryouma> you just upgrade
386 [04:10:30] <n-iCe> ok, donloading the stable version then,
thanks.
387 [04:10:32] <n-iCe> Is a new laptop.
388 [04:10:47] <somiaj> yea, debian is designed that you can
upgrade from one release to another.
389 [04:11:14] <somiaj> note, new hardware sometimes requires a
newer kernel. You can get this from stretch-backports if you find
some of your hardware doesn't work on the current kernel.
390 [04:11:25] <ryouma> i have an old machine (1996 or so) that
does not do uefi or anything like that. i want to boot from an
external drive, which i have partitioned as gpt. will this boot? if
so, do i need to mark the boot partition with the boot flag?
391 [04:11:26] <somiaj> (but if you require a newer kernel during
the install, this can be a pain)
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395 [04:12:35] <n-iCe> Well is not a 2018 released laptop.
396 [04:12:47] <n-iCe> everything should be supported I think
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399 [04:12:53] <n-iCe> is a i5 4th generation
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402 [04:14:30] <somiaj> ryouma: I think you need to set up some
mbr compadability layer in the gtp partition that acts as the
'mbr'
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404 [04:15:12] <ryouma> somiaj: any clue what one does to do
that? (it's a core 2 quad; the date is not certain.)
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406 [04:15:46] <somiaj> this is part of the partition table,
looking up the details, but once you modify the partition table it
should work with legacy boot (and thus machines)
407 [04:16:15] <somiaj> hmm, also see ways to convert gtp to mbr,
but I doubt that is what you want.
408 [04:16:36] <Azrael_-> at last, got my machine running and
also providing the network configuration directly as
kernel-parameter!
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411 [04:18:00] <ryouma> arch wiki or so says gpt is basically
always better, and i wanted this thing to boot both this old machine
and any future new machine, so i figured gpt was the right choice.
but for health reasons i cannot spend effort on debugging it if i
can't get it to boot my machine. so i will redo the whole thing
in mbr if needed.
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413 [04:18:31] <somiaj> ryouma:
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414 [04:19:23] <somiaj> I think what you are asking is uncommon
but possibe, I see various hits from google on how to do it, but
nothign that seems to me to be a clear simple howto.
415 [04:20:48] <ryouma> huh, i figured it must be common. my idea
is, if this machine dies, i just unplug and plug into a new machine.
i thought gpt might be needed for new machines, not sure.
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418 [04:22:01] <ryouma> (i'd use syslinux, being supposedly
more straightforward than grub, but ironically, having gotten grub
to finally work it would be a health hit to try to figure syslinux
out and use it)
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420 [04:22:07] <bites> i have a usb i made to work with both uefi
and bios with both grub versions installed.
421 [04:22:26] <bites> i think there were instructions in the
arch wiki.
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423 [04:23:21] <bites> i think it was this
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424 [04:23:30] <bites> looks about right.
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426 [04:23:49] <somiaj> ryouma: gtp has advantages, but most new
machiens support legacy. In gerneral I would say use gtp for uefi
boot and mbr for legacy boot. Might be nice to just stick to
mbr/legacy boot (most new machines can boot from this). Unless you
have a large drive in which mbr partitiosn are to small
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428 [04:24:24] <somiaj> there are ways to use uefi boot on mbr
partition tables, and legacy boot on gtp parittion tables, but this
to me seems uncommon, but yes possible
429 [04:24:43] <bites> hybrid mbr partition table :D
430 [04:25:22] <somiaj> ryouma: if your drive isn't bigger
than 2TB, I don't think you get that much advantage from gtp
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432 [04:25:53] <somiaj> or if you use tons of partitions and
don't want to use the 4 primary + extended partitions of mbr
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434 [04:26:50] <Azrael_-> what fs should i use for a ~16tb
partition?
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436 [04:27:22] <ryouma> hmm, well /this/ drive is small, but i
awnt to make a future 4tb external drive bootable. so i figured i
would learn it now. but my threshold for learning it is, i
unfortunately can't put too much effort in, so if it's
going to be too much for me, i will convert to mbr in fdisk.
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438 [04:28:02] <somiaj> Azrael_-: I would say ext4 is fine,
though unless you have a very specific reason to use a different
file system on linux, I say stick with the standard of ext4. It
works good in most cases, and is very stable.
439 [04:28:14] <ryouma> iirc fdisk has a bootable flag you can
set even in gpt. i wonder if that is enough to get it to work.
440 [04:28:27] <somiaj> ryouma: well there are various guides you
can find in google, if you ahve time, try to follow one.
441 [04:28:47] <somiaj> ryouma: according to the link I shared,
that won't work in newer versions of fdisk that support gpt.
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443 [04:28:48] <Azrael_-> somiaj: k
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445 [04:30:27] <ryouma> somiaj: i'm thinking maybe your url
is a bit old, if it does not really update for grub 2 and teh fact
that fdisk can do gpt now?
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448 [04:32:21] <somiaj> I would just look around on google and
find something that seems promising then.
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453 [04:33:06] <ryouma> ok, thanks. will try. but getting a bit
intimidated. maybe i should convert to mbr.
454 [04:33:39] <michael2> ryouma: what are you trying to do?
455 [04:33:40] <ryouma> it's not like mbr has been bad, and
if most new systems boot it then np
456 [04:33:43] <somiaj> it might be the easiest at this time,
dpeneding on how much time you want to play with it.
457 [04:33:56] <somiaj> michael2: boot legacy on a gtp partition
table.
458 [04:34:07] <somiaj> in this case from an old BIOS only
machine (no uefi)
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460 [04:34:42] <ryouma> yes
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462 [04:34:58] <michael2> so use a GUID partition layout - but
have it get read by legacy BIOS firmware?
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464 [04:35:16] <michael2> so you can load a 4TB hard disk on this
setup?
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467 [04:36:15] <ryouma> yes
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469 [04:36:23] <ryouma> (except i am trying it on a smaller
drive)
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471 [04:36:35] <ryouma> both external drives
472 [04:36:49] <michael2> ryouma: to test it first? yeah, there
are tricky rules around block addressing when you try to address
disks that big
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483 [04:51:02] <axdoomer> I have a device that I connect to my
computer. It loads a kernel module automatically (the driver). I
need to pass a module parameter to it to enable the debug mode. How
can I make it so that a parameter is passed automatically each time
the module is loaded? I could unload the module and reload it with
the parameter every time, but the device doesn't behave
correctly when I do this.
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491 [04:59:57] <somiaj> axdoomer: add the module and paramerers
in a file in /etc/modprobe.d
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499 [05:10:35] <ryouma> michael2: i kinda assumed that while
getting booting to work on an external 4tb drive on legacy bios
might be tricky, that i'd at least be able to have a 4tb drive
work as a drive. not true?
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512 [05:18:24] <michael2> ryouma: my understanding - and Im sure
there are people here who know better - is that once you go have
block numbers beyond what a classic MBR partition table can address
you need to start implementing workarounds/hacks to the MBR entries
- where EFI are kind of "standardising" the hacks. so the
issue for large (2TB +) is addressibility of blocks in the partition
table - I can't see how the boot flag could
513 [05:18:26] <michael2> be a problem
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517 [05:19:51] <n-iCe> how do I activate the click on
touchpad'
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520 [05:21:40] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: version of debian &
DE/WM?
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522 [05:22:27] <n-iCe> xfce last testing
523 [05:22:57] <Azrael_-> what desktop is currently suggested
best with debian?
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527 [05:24:08] <awal1> Not really used to chromium but I use it
sometimes. How to remove completely chromium browsing history?
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530 [05:24:48] <awal1> via setting , deleting all history/since
beginning, doesn't delete really all
531 [05:24:54] <awal1> settings
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536 [05:27:10] <n-iCe> how do I activate the click on touchpad?
537 [05:27:32] <awal1> synclient TapButton1=1
538 [05:27:33] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: please be patient.
539 [05:27:45] <awal1> n-iCe ^
540 [05:27:45] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: Assuming you're using
libinput: synclient TapButton1=1 - you can put that in your .xinitrc
for it to be permanent
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543 [05:29:47] <awal1> n-iCe, if you execute
"synclient" you get all the settings. easy to modify, just
check man synclient
544 [05:29:49] <bug> awal1, try bleachbit
545 [05:30:26] <n-iCe> bash: synclient: command not found
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547 [05:30:49] <awal1> bug, i use it yeah, but chromium still
preventing total delete
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554 [05:33:15] <n-iCe> Done, worked.
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556 [05:33:22] <n-iCe> is it gonna be on every boot?
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558 [05:33:33] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: if you put it in the
.xinitrc, then yes
559 [05:34:11] <awal1> .xsession instead of .xinitrc if you use a
display manager
560 [05:34:26] <SlidingHorn> ^^ n-iCe
561 [05:34:31] <bug> awal1, well, you could always save bookmarks
and just delete the chromium directory under ~/ i guess.
562 [05:34:36] <n-iCe> I use xfce
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564 [05:34:45] <n-iCe> I don't have any of those files
565 [05:34:59] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: do you have a graphical
login?
566 [05:35:07] <n-iCe> yes
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569 [05:36:01] <awal1> create it: open terminal and run nano
.xsession insert synclient TapButton1=1 the Ctrl-o-Enter for save
followed by Ctrl-x for close
570 [05:36:06] <n-iCe> ok
571 [05:36:16] <awal1> log out from xfce and login back
572 [05:36:31] <n-iCe> done, thanks
573 [05:36:46] <awal1> n-iCe, synclient TapButton1=1 &
574 [05:37:09] <awal1> better add & after synclient
TapButton1=1
575 [05:37:14] <awal1> synclient TapButton1=1 &
576 [05:37:22] <n-iCe> doe
577 [05:37:23] <n-iCe> done
578 [05:38:19] <n-iCe> now I See some erros at boot
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580 [05:39:43] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: what we gave you isn't
invoked until you start a session, so that is likely unrelated
581 [05:40:36] <n-iCe> yes, I'm gonna post the errors, just
trying to install chromium but is not opening
582 [05:40:40] <n-iCe> Calling _exit(1). Core file will not be
generated.
583 [05:40:44] <n-iCe> with chromium, weird
584 [05:41:18] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: what is the command that
you're trying to run?
585 [05:41:26] <n-iCe> chromium
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587 [05:44:20] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: please pastebin the output of
the following: apt-cache policy chromium
588 [05:45:00] <n-iCe> I removed it, and installed google chrome
itself.
589 [05:45:28] <bug> o jeez
590 [05:45:53] <awal1> n-iCe you added & to the end of your
synclient command , right? (synclient TapButton1=1 &)
591 [05:46:13] <n-iCe> yes awal1 thanks
592 [05:46:18] <awal1> good
593 [05:46:19] <n-iCe> those are the boot errors
replaced-url
594 [05:46:59] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: one thing at a time,
please....are you using chromium or chrome??
595 [05:47:15] <n-iCe> chrome, removed chromium, solved.
596 [05:47:33] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: okay - just note that chrome
is unsupported
597 [05:47:51] <n-iCe> where, here?
598 [05:47:54] <SlidingHorn> yes
599 [05:47:59] <n-iCe> ok
600 [05:48:08] <n-iCe> and the boot error, what do you think?
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602 [05:49:47] <SlidingHorn> I haven't looked at it
603 [05:49:51] <n-iCe> ok
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605 [05:50:47] <n-iCe> I think I need those,
xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
606 [05:51:27] <SlidingHorn> n-iCe: did you read the website it
refers you to?
607 [05:52:57] <n-iCe> yes,
replaced-url
608 [05:53:27] <n-iCe> but did not find a solution for my
problem.
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611 [05:54:39] <n-iCe> SlidingHorn: do you?
612 [05:56:59] <n-iCe> done, apt-get install
firmware-amd-graphics
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617 [05:59:09] <n-iCe> going to reboot and check
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793 [07:50:00] <zerocool> anyone have a btrfs volume around?
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797 [07:57:34] <at0m> dpkg: tell zerocool about anyone
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801 [08:04:02] <SporkWitch> zerocool: If you have a question,
just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm
running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following
output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can
ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later.
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865 [09:37:53] <noobFirstday> i installed gns3 but i got an old
without new features i need to go through a book exercises
866 [09:38:04] <noobFirstday> how do i get the latest version?
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878 [09:48:52] <cef> noobFirstday: the latest version in debian
is 0.8.7 which is very outdated. The person who packaged it seems to
know there's a later version but has no time to package it (bug
mentioning it is way old).. your best bet would be to remove gns3
from your system and compile your own version from source.
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880 [09:49:55] <at0m> ,v gns3
881 [09:49:56] <judd> Package: gns3 on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib:
0.7.4-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.8.6-3~bpo70+1; buster/contrib:
0.8.7-2; jessie/contrib: 0.8.7-2; sid/contrib: 0.8.7-2;
stretch/contrib: 0.8.7-2
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883 [09:50:50] <cef> at0m: gns3 is very very old. it's
scheduled for removal from sid/buster on the 9th May.
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885 [09:52:00] <antto> ,v gcc-avr
886 [09:52:01] <judd> Package: gcc-avr on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:4.7.2-2; jessie: 1:4.8.1+Atmel3.4.4-2; stretch:
1:4.9.2+Atmel3.5.3-1; buster: 1:5.4.0+Atmel3.6.0-1+b1; sid:
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889 [09:56:27] <cef> noobFirstday: There's a bunch of
virtial machine images of gns3 that you can download from their
website.
890 [09:56:36] <cef> err, virtual even
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916 [10:14:33] <superlinux> hello. what is the alternative of
"Down them all " on Firefox with multithreaded
downloading?
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927 [10:19:08] <liveuser-work> how see free disk space on
filesystem?
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939 [10:27:07] <nkuttler> liveuser-work: man df
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941 [10:29:38] <cef> liveuser-work: As nkuttler says, `df` is the
command you want. From a terminal, try `df -h`. If you want just the
filesystem that you're currently using (ie: where you are in
the terminal) use `df -h .`
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944 [10:30:08] <liveuser-work> cef so the persistence didn't
mount
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951 [10:35:07] <nkuttler> persistence?
952 [10:35:35] <cef> No idea. Might have me confused with someone
else..?
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955 [10:36:41] <liveuser-work> nkuttler: working from a live
image
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961 [10:40:49] <liveuser-work> how printing partition labels?
962 [10:41:08] <antto> how can i search for a specific filename
like "blah.o" in all subdirectories of /usr/ where
"blah.o" might be an actual file *or* a symlink to a file?
963 [10:41:20] <cef> liveuser-work: you mean hot to get the uuid?
964 [10:42:27] <liveuser-work> e2labels
965 [10:43:24] <cef> liveuser-work: there's also `lsblk
--fs`
966 [10:43:39] <cef> liveuser-work: shows for everything
that's currently mounted
967 [10:44:02] <nkuttler> antto: man find?
968 [10:44:05] <cef> actually shows for everything it can see
969 [10:44:27] <antto> nkuttler i mean, do i need something extra
to look for symlinks too?
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971 [10:44:40] <liveuser-work> mounted?
972 [10:44:57] <liveuser-work> then the persistence is mounted
973 [10:44:58] <cef> mounted = in use.
974 [10:45:06] <liveuser-work> in use
975 [10:45:10] <nkuttler> antto: what do you mean?
976 [10:45:27] <liveuser-work> though unpacking linux source
complained not enough free space
977 [10:45:32] <cef> `lsblk --fs` will show all the filesystems
the machine thinks are available, whether mounted or not.
978 [10:45:38] <nkuttler> antto: see -type in man find?
979 [10:45:53] <antto> i'm just confused, i'll read the
info
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985 [10:51:45] <liveuser-work> something is not right
986 [10:52:04] <liveuser-work> df reports the overlay 100% used
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988 [10:52:35] <liveuser-work> though not much was installed
989 [10:52:56] <liveuser-work> is there something to show files
by size?
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992 [10:57:13] <liveuser-work> hello id4rk_
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994 [10:58:28] <liveuser-work> talk about the future
995 [11:01:38] <liveuser-work> id4rk_: privmsg if you like
996 [11:01:45] <linux54> lineuser-work: apt-get clean might help
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998 [11:04:01] <liveuser-work> wow after apt-get clean it reads
89% used
999 [11:04:32] <liveuser-work> 5GB
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1001 [11:05:05] <liveuser-work> less than 1GB was installed as far
as I looked
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1003 [11:06:09] <liveuser-work> unless he linu z has some
impressive compression
1004 [11:06:23] <liveuser-work> linux xz file
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1007 [11:07:31] <liveuser-work> it looks like it's extracion
was rolledback anyhow
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1009 [11:07:51] <liveuser-work> the linux dir is empty
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1011 [11:09:07] <liveuser-work> dpkg-dev was installed and
binutils-doc
1012 [11:09:40] <liveuser-work> and apt-get source linux
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1015 [11:10:16] <liveuser-work> did that chew up nearly 5000mb?
1016 [11:10:53] <liveuser-work> so much for work
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1018 [11:11:48] <liveuser-work> toon town, pickup a hammer and it
expands into a massive rubber parade floater of a hammer
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1022 [11:12:51] <liveuser-work> now hit the nail on the head
1023 [11:13:17] <liveuser-work> helium pours out of the hammer
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1025 [11:14:18] <liveuser-work> toon town
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1028 [11:14:53] <liveuser-work> _systemd_is_evil: yeah what about
it
1029 [11:15:03] <liveuser-work> is it on all of the routers
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1036 [11:18:21] <liveuser-work> is rodger rabbit on channel?
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1038 [11:18:47] <liveuser-work> toon town
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1041 [11:21:03] <liveuser-work> hey bu there's a lot of music
going on
1042 [11:21:20] <liveuser-work> what's going on in the world
today!
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1044 [11:23:03] <liveuser-work> id4rk_ don't care to talk?
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1046 [11:23:50] <liveuser-work> does anybody need anymore females?
1047 [11:24:00] <Caterpillar> rotfl
1048 [11:24:05] <liveuser-work> need any hive whores?
1049 [11:24:08] <nkuttler> liveuser-work: this is a support
channel. go to ##chat if you don't have support questions
1050 [11:24:13] <liveuser-work> they are swarming me again
1051 [11:24:15] <nkuttler> !ops
1052 [11:24:15] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1053 [11:24:22] <nkuttler> !ops ^^
1054 [11:24:23] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
nkuttler complains about a problem (see above)
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1056 [11:24:46] <liveuser-work> funny after the police swarm here
come the girls
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1062 [11:26:22] <liveuser-work> nkuttler: how seeing the files
1063 [11:26:37] <liveuser-work> find what chewed up 89% of 5GB
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1066 [11:27:54] <nkuttler> liveuser-work: please, make an effort
to ask intelligible questions
1067 [11:29:05] <nkuttler> see man ls, man du, man find
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1074 [11:33:07] <liveuser-work> id4rk_: later
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1205 [12:36:40] <antto> ,v avr-libc
1206 [12:36:41] <judd> Package: avr-libc on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:1.8.0-2; jessie: 1:1.8.0+Atmel3.4.4-1; stretch:
1:1.8.0+Atmel3.5.0-1; buster: 1:2.0.0+Atmel3.6.0-1; sid:
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1231 [13:02:46] <booyah> what is the recommended mewthod nowdays
to run my ~/firewall.sh before any other networking is active /
before cards can be up?
1232 [13:03:53] <exifbono> hello everyone. I have a debian with
FDE, but when it boots I have an " unexpected irq trap at
vector ab " and the decrypt password wont work. This is
something. Any help?
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1236 [13:04:29] <noodlepie> Whut's FDE?
1237 [13:04:56] <noodlepie> Full Dis encryption?
1238 [13:04:59] <noodlepie> disk
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1240 [13:05:04] <noodlepie> @:P-~
1241 [13:05:06] <exifbono> Yes, full disk encryption noodlepie
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1243 [13:05:13] <noodlepie> ok
1244 [13:05:18] <noodlepie> can't help, no idea
1245 [13:05:27] <exifbono> thanks anyway, noodlepie =)
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1258 [13:17:24] <nkuttler> exifbono: use the correct password? the
message logged to the console shouldn't have any effect
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1260 [13:17:47] <nkuttler> exifbono: if in doubt, boot from a live
distro and mount it from there..
1261 [13:18:27] <exifbono> nkuttler, password is correct, if it
wasn't this message of the irq trap is anyway something new and
seems unlikely that the two things are unrelated
1262 [13:18:45] <nkuttler> boot something else, mount from there
1263 [13:19:09] <nkuttler> or try booting a different kernel
1264 [13:19:29] <noodlepie> That's OK. I would have liked to
have been more helpful. Perhaps I should learn FDE and LVm and all
that but I'm happy with UEFI boot and genkernal, for local
customisation, at the moment.
1265 [13:19:34] <noodlepie> @:P-~
1266 [13:19:36] <exifbono> How can I boot/install a different
kernel without decrypting?
1267 [13:20:03] <nkuttler> exifbono: i you encrypted /boot, you
can't..
1268 [13:20:10] <nkuttler> boot something else, mount from there
1269 [13:20:17] <exifbono> anyway I don't have the device
with me right now, I'm doing remote help, as soon as I get
phisical access I'll mount a live and see what happens from
there
1270 [13:20:33] <exifbono> boot is unencrypted, sure thing,
couldn't get to GRUB otherwise =)
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1272 [13:20:49] <nkuttler> don't you know how to use the grub
shellß
1273 [13:20:53] <nkuttler> ?
1274 [13:21:49] <noodlepie> Why couldn't you get to Grub on
an encyrpted disk, ah, oh because you don't have the
passphrase/can't get it to work... :P
1275 [13:21:53] <noodlepie> hehe
1276 [13:23:11] <exifbono> nkuttler, hint taken, I haven't
thought of using the grub shell to use a different kernel...
I'll study how to do that, thanks!
1277 [13:24:04] <exifbono> noodlepie, usually in FDE /boot is
unencrypted, otherwise you couldn't even get luks to work,
afaik
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1292 [13:32:24] <noodlepie> LUKs is new to me too, hehe. I really
only want to learn C++ STL Templates more fully. I've a hunch
there are a few clues here, in STL I mean, tidy programming and all
that!
1293 [13:32:31] <noodlepie> @:P-~
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1372 [14:21:19] <dka> what is the easiest way to run an android
emulator on debian ?
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1374 [14:21:27] <dka> i want to play a multiplayer game I have on
my phone
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1378 [14:22:10] <noodlepie> dka, dunno, Android X86?
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1380 [14:23:22] <dka> how do I start noodlepie ?
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1382 [14:23:46] <noodlepie> are you using android-ndk or
android-studio?
1383 [14:24:30] <noodlepie> I didn't know there was an
Android environment for Linux in general. Still its Open Source so
someone has probably built it?
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1456 [15:11:50] <Vonor_> o/
1457 [15:13:26] <Vonor_> trying to install 32 bit version of java
plugin (icedtea-8-plugin). already tried with "dpkg
--add-architecture i386; apt update; apt install
icedtea-8-plugin" but it's still the 64 bit version
1458 [15:14:45] <SirLagz> Vonor_: apt-get install
icedtea-8-plugin:386 ?
1459 [15:14:51] <SirLagz> er, i386, not 386
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1461 [15:15:59] * Vonor_ facepalms "I tried that with apt install,
but not with apt-get install"
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1463 [15:19:43] <operhiem1> Does that give different behavior?
That'd be surprising, but I'm not familiar with it.
1464 [15:19:50] <themill> it doesn't
1465 [15:20:06] <operhiem1> By way of maybe-relevant background, I
had a drive fail, and my btrfs root fs is currently degraded.
I'm trying to apply a kernel package upgrade, but
update-initramfs fails with "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error:
failed to get canonical path of `'.
1466 [15:20:14] <operhiem1> sorry, there was a newline in there
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1468 [15:21:04] <operhiem1> I found
replaced-url
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1470 [15:21:04] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1642 [17:10:01] <Azrael_-> how bad is it if i use snapd for
installing applications?
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1653 [17:15:02] <somiaj> Azrael_-: have you looked into the
deatils. I personally just stick to stuff in the debian repos.
Things that you want that are not available in the debian repos you
should not be core components, and should be isolated from the
debian system in places like /usr/local, /opt, or even $HOME.
Provided snapd correctly isolates this software from the debian
system it should be okay.
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1657 [17:15:44] <Azrael_-> somiaj: thanks, didn't dig enough
into the details yet
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1660 [17:16:46] <dionysus69> I am removing mysql/mariadb from
kde/debian which got installed with the system
1661 [17:16:52] <dionysus69> it tells me it will remove
akonadi-backend-mysql
1662 [17:16:58] <dionysus69> default-mysql-server-core
1663 [17:17:16] <dionysus69> it tells me it will install
akonadi-backend-sqlite
1664 [17:17:21] <dionysus69> is that even needed?
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1668 [17:18:11] <somiaj> dionysus69: you can run aptitude why
akonadi-backend-sqlite, and see why it is needed. But many apps need
do use some database to store stuff. I think firefox also uses
sqlite.
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1670 [17:18:33] <somiaj> or if you haven't finished the
command, run aptitude why akonadi-backend-mysql and see what is
requring this package.
1671 [17:18:44] <minus> what is akonadi even
1672 [17:18:47] <somiaj> dionysus69: in essence if apt says it
needs it, it is needed (though it could be recommended)
1673 [17:19:16] <minus> booted newly installed server - forget
placing my ssh pubkey. derp.
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1675 [17:19:35] <somiaj> minus: according to apt search, then apt
show akonadi-server, it is a cross-desktop Personal Information
Management system, that maybe kde is using.
1676 [17:19:58] <dionysus69> it can use akonadi-backend-postgresql
I guess
1677 [17:20:03] <dionysus69> I will go with that one
1678 [17:20:03] <minus> i feel enlightened (not)
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1680 [17:20:07] <dionysus69> since I am installing psql
1681 [17:20:12] <minus> postgres is a good choice 👍
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1685 [17:20:45] <somiaj> dionysus69: yea looks like there are
various backend databases akonadi can use. It does look like it is
part of kde. Unsure how core it is, but it appears it at least is
part of the metapackage.
1686 [17:20:52] <minus> >It is one of the “pillars”
(core technologies) behind the KDE SC 4 project
1687 [17:20:56] <minus> i guess you need that
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1690 [17:21:14] <dionysus69> akonadi seems to be some PIM personal
information management system
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1692 [17:21:27] <dionysus69> which seems like a weird niche thing
to include in a DE
1693 [17:21:27] <minus>
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1697 [17:22:13] <minus> uninstall it and see if everything still
works
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1704 [17:24:11] <dionysus69> to see what still works :D it's
not an app
1705 [17:24:24] <dionysus69> not sure which apps use it and for
what but it will show up I guess
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1708 [17:25:21] <abd5932> Hi, I try to enable pam_ssh via
/etc/pam.d/su so once I `su` and enter SSH passphrase instead of my
password - a ssh-agent would be launched and my keys
"ssh-add"ed... however no ssh-agent is launched, after I
provide my passphrase... here is the file:
replaced-url
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1787 [18:00:42] <juturnasepi0l> im new to all thus does abyibe
have like 10 secibds t0 heko
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1803 [18:08:04] <minus> Azrael_-: you just set up initramfs with
dropbear, right? do you tear down the ip connectivity before
continuing the boot?
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1835 [18:25:01] <minus> hm, it should do that by default anyway;
for some reason it wasn't working properly before but does now
1836 [18:25:10] <minus> FDE success!
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1944 [19:26:25] <squarecircle> ohai
1945 [19:27:32] <squarecircle> we have some Debian 9 here and
using Gnome 3 as DE. But it starts very slowly. After it boot up, it
takes about 40-60 seconds to start the Gnome login screen
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1947 [19:27:52] <squarecircle> meanwhile one can use a tty[1-7]
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1949 [19:28:27] <noodlepie> yep
1950 [19:28:40] <squarecircle> what can we do to fix this?
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1952 [19:28:57] <squarecircle> the system is already using a ssd
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1954 [19:30:17] <squarecircle> neither my current Arch, nor my
various Debian [8,9] boxes need that long to start the Gnome shell
1955 [19:30:41] <squarecircle> does this indicates a hardware
error?
1956 [19:32:27] <squarecircle> any idea where to start debugging?
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1959 [19:36:22] <booyah> squarecircle: all of /var/log (latest
files)?
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1983 [19:54:25] <jelly> squarecircle: what does systemd-analyze
say, which services are waited for?
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1988 [19:58:39] <squarecircle> jelly: its stacus problem
1989 [19:58:53] <squarecircle> jelly: hes irceable now :]
1990 [19:59:16] <squarecircle> jelly: booyah thank you for your
help :D
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2009 [20:14:30] <squarecircle> stacu: systemd-analyze
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2012 [20:16:02] <stacu> jelly: $ sudo systemd-analyze
2013 [20:16:05] <stacu> Startup finished in 2.923s (kernel) +
1.172s (userspace) = 4.096s
2014 [20:16:39] <rant> you mean systemd-analyze blame
2015 [20:16:53] <rant> if you want to see individual service unit
times
2016 [20:16:53] <jelly> that doesn't sound like gdm took a
long time or anything
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2019 [20:19:20] <stacu> rant:
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2021 [20:20:22] <stacu> I noticed that all times listet are in ms
range, but the time to load the loginscreen takes about 2min
2022 [20:21:15] <newuser01> Hi, I just finished installing Debian
9 ....Aftre log in I see only the wallpaper ....Nothing else
...Please help me out
2023 [20:21:31] <jelly> so time to start gdm isn't actually
time that gdm takes to start
2024 [20:21:34] <jelly> 23ms gdm.service
2025 [20:21:43] <rant> well ass jelly said the fact that all ovr
userspace took only about 1sec makes the whole breakdown not real
important, but it seems gdm was only 23ms
2026 [20:22:20] <jelly> hopefully someone actually uses gdm and
gnome around here and can help
2027 [20:22:50] <squarecircle> first two things match, the third
sadly not :/
2028 [20:23:15] <rant> but if you're talking about time taken
FROM login at GDM until gnome is ready to use, thats no longer under
systemd's purview
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2030 [20:23:40] <rant> that is gnome-session taking it from there
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2032 [20:24:23] <newuser01> Any ideas ?
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2035 [20:24:55] <stacu> the timespan I mean is the one from where
it says "dev/sda1: clean N files, N blocks" to the login
screen
2036 [20:25:48] <stacu> I can use tty2 via ALT+RIGHT
2037 [20:26:14] <stacu> and after ~2min the gnome-login just
appears
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2041 [20:27:48] <newuser01> Can anyone help ?
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2046 [20:30:31] <squarecircle> newuser01: which desktop
environment do you use?
2047 [20:30:59] <newuser01> squarecircle: XFCE
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2049 [20:33:13] <squarecircle> newuser01: how much RAM do you
have?
2050 [20:33:25] <newuser01> squarecircle: 4GB
2051 [20:33:54] <rant> stacu: well things like filesystem or
network hangups are not uncommon but systemd's asynchronus
approach is suppose to address that and its accounting of the boot
is not showing the entire process having taken more than 5sec so
that is the real mystery if you are not exaggerating
2052 [20:34:56] <rant> stacu: I'd try installing lightdm and
setting it to the default and see if this issue still occurs, which
would rule out if gdm is actually the problem or not
2053 [20:35:05] <squarecircle> rant: hes not ^^ sadly
2054 [20:35:35] <squarecircle> newuser01: Laptop with optimus?
2055 [20:35:54] <newuser01> squarecircle: No desktop ...Intel
graphics
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2057 [20:39:10] <squarecircle> newuser01: hm, I have no idea,
sorry
2058 [20:39:21] <jg> I am considering moving from Ubuntu to
Debian. The question is unstable/testing/stable. When I last used
Debian a decade or so ago, stable was too stale, unstable too often
broken, and testing, was, well, broken... What would today's
advice be?
2059 [20:39:36] <alkisg> stable :)
2060 [20:39:51] <squarecircle> stable :)
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2064 [20:40:48] <squarecircle> newuser01: I'd try another
Desktop
2065 [20:41:00] <squarecircle> newuser01: for working around the
problem
2066 [20:41:09] <squarecircle> newuser01: eg lxde
2067 [20:41:29] <squarecircle> newuser01: I hope some other
competent user may help you :)
2068 [20:41:38] <newuser01> squarecircle: OKay
2069 [20:42:43] <squarecircle> newuser01: personnally, I'd
recommend Gnome, but that is very big and consumes a lot of
computing power (in comparison)
2070 [20:42:45] <stacu> rant: thank you for helping :) with
lightdm the desktop environment loads immediatly
2071 [20:44:35] <rant> stacu: are you just goingg to use lightdm
from now on or are you still looking to debug gdm?
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2073 [20:44:39] <noodlepie> GNOME/Mate/GNUStep are the True GNU
experiences on your computer
2074 [20:44:53] <noodlepie> not Mate, I meant GNOME 2
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2076 [20:45:50] <squarecircle> I'm off
2077 [20:46:48] <stacu> rant: with lightdm the login appears
immidiately, however it still takes ~15sec until it shows my desktop
:/
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2079 [20:47:46] <stacu> rant: personally I'd prefer gdm, but
if I can get lightdm to run perfectly it would be fine too
2080 [20:48:04] <rant> stacu: yeah thats just the time its taking
to start the gnome-session you should be able to fine tune that and
remove any things you dont need.. I havent used Gnome in ages but
gnome session always started a lot of crap that wasnt really needed
2081 [20:49:06] <rant> stacu: in mate its in System >
Preferences > Personal > Startup Applications
2082 [20:49:25] <rant> probably something similar in modern gnome
that lets you tweak the startup
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2084 [20:50:07] <stacu> rant: I just re-installed debian, so there
should not be too much in there
2085 [20:50:34] <rant> heh.. yeah.. you apparently never payed
much attention to how much cruft is in a DE
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2090 [20:51:31] <stacu> rant: just checked, currently there are no
startup applications listed
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2092 [20:51:52] <rant> hmm odd.. mine shows far fewer than I
remember but it still shows dbus, orca, etc
2093 [20:52:28] <rant> it should be starting the panels, the
desktop program, window manager, various backends for filesystem
auto mounting, IPC, etc
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2101 [20:55:29] <Ingvix> Hey, I need to know where is the ethernet
device in the system so I can add it to certain services .service
file's "after" section. For another service I found
my openvpn*s virtual network device from
/dev/devices/virtual/net/tun0 but can't seem to locate the
corresponding directory for the ethernet.
2102 [20:55:38] <stacu> rant: $ ls ~/.config/autostart/ its empty
:/
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2104 [20:56:49] <rant> yeah I'm not talking about idk what
you'd call em.. but user-defined startup apps, I'm talking
about the DE's components
2105 [20:57:00] <rant> gvfsd, dbus, gnome-panel..etc
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2107 [20:58:16] <Holic> hi
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2111 [21:01:20] <stacu> rant: I found 2 ways to list them, the one
I showed you and via gnome-session-properties, which just returns
"command not found"
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2114 [21:03:53] <rant> stacu: if you're really concerned
about lag, it wouldnt hurt to check your logs look for any errors
that may be hanging thigs up.. check something like smart or
something to look for any issues with your disks..etc
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2116 [21:04:48] <rant> stacu: and then if you still dont find any
clues, I'd start a plain X session where it starts nothing but
a terminal and then run the components of your DE individually and
see which ones are taking a long time to start while you can see
their output on that terminal
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2119 [21:05:45] <rant> stacu: though the easiest solution is like
the one we already did, where you switch from something bloated to
something made to be lightweight like the GDM->lightdm thing..
Cinnamon, LXDE, XFCE..etc are all lighter.. even MATE is ligther
than gnome
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2121 [21:06:33] <rant> stacu: but without doing some investigation
you wont know if you have some more pressing underlying issue like a
disk failing or something
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2123 [21:08:07] <rant> personally startup/login times never really
bothered me cause its not something I do often .. its more it being
slow after I'm logged in and trying to do things that worries
me
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2125 [21:09:07] <rant> I'm tickled pink that this thin client
I started using and installed stretch on, boots in under 20seconds
2126 [21:09:24] <rant> yours is booting in under 5s so.. heh
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2141 [21:19:42] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome
version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^
I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other
DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
2142 [21:19:47] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome
version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^
I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other
DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
2143 [21:19:57] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome
version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^
I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other
DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
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2147 [21:20:43] <stacu> rant: now I installed the full gnome
version (from gnome-core), but it just made things worse ^^
I'll try the plain session idea later today and check out other
DEs, thanks a lot for your help ! :)
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2151 [21:21:05] <stacu> lag... sorry :(
2152 [21:21:29] <squarecircle> learning how to irc you must, young
padawan
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2154 [21:21:41] <squarecircle> :]
2155 [21:21:58] <rant> stacu: are you accessing your client over
ssh by chance?
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2157 [21:22:19] <stacu> rant: xD maaaayyybe
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2159 [21:22:31] <rant> I've been using mosh lately..
drastically improves ssh lag issues
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2161 [21:23:16] <rant> I'm using a f'n mesh collander
with a really old netgear usb dongle taped to it for internet from a
distant hotspot.. so I know lag :P
2162 [21:23:32] <rant> mosh has made my life much easier :P
2163 [21:23:49] <rant> !mosh
2164 [21:23:49] <dpkg> well, mosh is a tool used to connect from a
client computer to a server over the Internet, to run a remote
terminal. Mosh is similar to SSH, with additional features meant to
improve usability for mobile users
2165 [21:23:54] <stacu> I'll take a look into that then ;)
thanks, I'm off now
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2168 [21:24:23] <rant> thats a rather vague factoid
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2182 [21:33:35] <dbvm_> why do network interface names keep on
changing on updates or if one repositions gpu in a different pcie
slot? I understand that I can set a static name for my nic but just
curious why the change as it seems rather dangerous if one
hasn't setup the fixed name
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2186 [21:34:34] <dbvm_> could easily lose servers after an upgrade
this way
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2190 [21:36:54] <minus> dbvm_: you can create a udev rule to fix
the named based on its mac address
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2192 [21:37:56] <dbvm_> minus: yup I've looked that up, just
surprised that network interfaces are now handled this way
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2194 [21:39:00] <dbvm_> might be just my lack of knowledge but I
fail to see the benefit
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2203 [21:45:16] <minus> dbvm_: if you have two network interfaces
their order (eth0/eth1) could possibly change from one boot to the
next
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2205 [21:45:39] <tomnor> the gnome-calendar is off by two hours,
showing two hours more than other things
2206 [21:45:48] <tomnor> how do I deal with that?
2207 [21:46:16] <tomnor> the desktop calendar is correct
2208 [21:46:23] <tomnor> the one seen all the time
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2221 [21:52:58] <tomnor> how do I make gnome-calendar display
times in my time-zone and not cest
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2239 [22:02:14] <rant> tomnor: what does the command date show?
2240 [22:02:27] <rant> Sun May 6 16:02:46 EDT 2018
2241 [22:02:56] <rant> if it shows CEST there, then your timezone
is wrong in the system, when you fix the system timezone the apps
will all change as well
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2243 [22:03:08] <tomnor> sön 6 maj 2018 22:02:51 CEST
2244 [22:03:13] <rant> !timezone
2245 [22:03:14] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local
time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian
systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively:
"cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that
tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute
"service postfix restart" to update localtime in the
chroot.
2246 [22:03:34] <tomnor> rant: ok
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2249 [22:03:43] <rant> as root, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
2250 [22:03:43] <tomnor> rant: how do I fix it?
2251 [22:03:48] <tomnor> ok
2252 [22:03:53] <rant> choose the correct timezone and all should
be well after that
2253 [22:04:22] <rant> tomnor: out of curiousity what is the
language on your system?
2254 [22:04:33] <tomnor> english
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2256 [22:04:59] <rant> "sön 6 maj" isnt english..
not even in Cockney :P
2257 [22:05:19] <tomnor> öhhh, sorry, ok it would be swedish
then
2258 [22:05:33] <tomnor> but I mean..., what do I mean
2259 [22:05:45] <rant> ah.. thought it was something like that..
but knew it wasnt a language I knew
2260 [22:06:08] <tomnor> so for example other things in gnome is
in english, like menus and such
2261 [22:06:51] <rant> yeah for the most part the terminal and X
are two seperate worlds :P
2262 [22:07:02] <rant> different fonts, language settings, etc..
2263 [22:07:36] <rant> !locale
2264 [22:07:36] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting
information to humans according to local conventions (date format,
thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales>
to establish on a Debian system.
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2265 [22:07:44] <rant> !locales
2266 [22:07:44] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to
get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and
also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment
variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the
output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised
errors>. See also <mac locales>.
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2267 [22:08:57] <tomnor> rant: the dpkg-reconfigure was defaulting
to what I want -- europe stockholm
2268 [22:08:59] <rant> tomnor: if you wanna keep your term
swedish, just use that LANG=C before a command when you run a
command you're gonna paste for support purposes, otherwise use
the dpkg-reconfigure locales to change your locale to english
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2271 [22:09:35] <tomnor> I think my locale is english, how do I
show you?
2272 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2273 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LANGUAGE=
2274 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
2275 [22:09:52] <tomnor> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
2276 [22:09:55] <tomnor> LC_TIME=sv_SE.UTF-8
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2279 [22:10:42] <tomnor> rant: I was kicked out
2280 [22:10:50] <tomnor> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2281 [22:10:57] <tomnor> LC_TIME=sv_SE.UTF-8
2282 [22:11:18] <tomnor> the rest is en_us...
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2287 [22:12:48] <tomnor> are you good at the ics formats? I can
check and show something from that if useful
2288 [22:13:31] <tomnor> DTSTART;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20180610T200000
is shown as at 22:00
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2293 [22:17:36] <slxp> Hey all, is there a quick and easy way to
remove all the stuff that came with Cinammon? I just switched to KDE
and I have all these double programs now
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2306 [22:23:43] <_KaszpiR_> unfortunately Debian wasn't
designed that way ;)
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2308 [22:25:05] <_KaszpiR_> slxp try 'apt-get purge
packagename' and later 'apt-get autoremove'
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2310 [22:25:57] <at0m> slxp: there's also deborphan that
looks for orphaned packages (on which no other package depends) and
offers to remove them.
2311 [22:27:14] <rant> tomnor: thats a bit strange that only
LC_TIME is different
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2313 [22:27:32] <rant> never seen that before.. I wonder how it
got configured that way
2314 [22:27:57] <tomnor> I think it is me, wanting all to remain
in english but the date and time formats
2315 [22:28:02] <tomnor> is that stupid
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2317 [22:28:25] <tomnor> for example, I dont want the , to mean
decimal separator and such
2318 [22:28:37] <rant> it is to me cause I dont understand
swedish.. heh.. but may not be to you :P
2319 [22:28:51] <tomnor> right
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2321 [22:29:13] <tomnor> but I am suspecting gnome-calendar to
interpret the ics data to be in cest
2322 [22:29:17] <tomnor> maybe
2323 [22:30:00] <rant> I have varying levels of comprehension of a
many languages, English, Pittsburghese, Spanish, Latin, French,
German, Danish, Russian, Romanian, Japanese... but not Swedish :P
2324 [22:30:19] <tomnor> danish is close
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2326 [22:30:26] <tomnor> but I wouldn't understand it
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2328 [22:30:33] <rant> IIRC Sweden is one of those countries with
a lot of "official languages"
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2330 [22:30:51] <tomnor> nja, not really
2331 [22:30:57] <tomnor> finland has two
2332 [22:31:11] <tomnor> we have a lot of dialects
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2335 [22:32:51] <rant> I must be confusing with Switzerland then..
that has more than two official languages
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2338 [22:34:13] <vlt> Even Germany has more than two.
2339 [22:36:15] <tomnor> there is a couple of minority languges in
Sweden, such as Sami
2340 [22:36:24] <tomnor> and Finnish
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2354 [22:47:20] <CarlosSutana> hi. i'm on Debian Stretch with
KDE and i have this screenshot utility - Spectacle
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2356 [22:47:48] <CarlosSutana> and it takes some really shitty
screenshots . how can i tweak it
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2360 [22:50:37] <noodlepie> use gimp on the png image it tkaes?
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2362 [22:51:37] <noodlepie> or script it to output a file to some
other utility you want to tweak/edit it with.
2363 [22:52:18] <hypn0> scrot?
2364 [22:53:28] <hypn0> or better still, change desktop :-)
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2429 [23:18:31] <Iridos> I think this happened after a
pm-hibernate. My time is wrong by two hours, I did a
dpkg-reconfigure tzdata … and that says that universal time
is 23:17 and my local time is 1:17
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2434 [23:18:58] <Iridos> so somehow my local time is taken as utc
time
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2443 [23:19:58] <petemc> utc is 21:19 now
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2445 [23:20:11] <petemc> oh, thats your point
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2447 [23:20:37] <Iridos> right
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2449 [23:21:32] <Iridos> that could be from the local clock on the
laptop…
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2458 [23:22:20] <Iridos> but… oh, just took some time
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2465 [23:22:59] <Iridos> so I have local time in the bios and
there is no ntpd restart that would fix it when unhibernating
2466 [23:23:39] <Iridos> this actually came from the yearly reboot
to windows for the tax return forms
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2472 [23:24:34] <Iridos> ah, I can set "LOCAL" in
/etc/adjtime
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2554 [23:51:31] <karolin> hi i like this
replaced-url
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2658 [23:53:41] <abff> I'm having an issue with pulseaudio,
trying to connect my desktop as a client to a pulse server running
on my tv. both are debian, and I believe the issue is that when I
copy to cookie from the server to my dt, it's not being copied
correctly. I suspect this because `pactl info` returns two different
cookie names even though I just copied one to the other and
restarted both daemons
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