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25[00:18:51] <AkQ> how do i set two top-level domains for one server which has one ip but so that the domains have completely different folder as their index and they are not visible to each other by site-visitor (unless ofc if whois or ping is done to reveal the ip)
26[00:19:21] <dondelelcaro> AkQ: use a virtual host, and have a third site/placeholder serving by IP
27[00:19:44] <dondelelcaro> AkQ: and have the reverse go to the placeholder
28[00:20:00] <AkQ> is there like a guide or something, i'm avid debian user :I
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31[00:20:18] <dondelelcaro> AkQ: I assume you want to serve web, or something like that?
32[00:20:26] <AkQ> yeah
33[00:20:42] <dondelelcaro> AkQ: replaced-url
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35[00:20:52] <AkQ> i do also run a mumble in one of the domains but two others will be for just domain reserve and simple info-page
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37[00:21:08] <dondelelcaro> you'll probably want what are called name-based virtual hosts
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39[00:23:32] <AkQ> i'm not sure - i'm not so aware of the termonology here :o i want to achieve different site for total of three domains as in example1.fi example2.fi example3.fi all in same server, with same ip but different website
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46[00:25:35] <bites> we get that. you set up one virtual host for each domain.
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50[00:26:09] <AkQ> right, virtual host for each domain, okay i try to google that
51[00:26:51] <bites> that link above is already pretty good. click on "Name-based Virtual Hosts (More than one web site per IP address)"
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58[00:30:05] <bites> you see an example apache config there. each vhost has a ServerName and DocumentRoot sounds pretty much like what you described.
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104[01:01:58] <annadane> :/
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122[01:08:19] <bigMouthCommie> i'm trying to figure out if there are any special instructions for installing on the hp 14-am052nr laptop before i try and maybe break soemthing
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124[01:08:30] <bigMouthCommie> any experience or resources?
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126[01:09:11] <PhotoJim> my last new Debian installs were on a Mac Mini (late 2007) and a Banana Pi. an HP of any flavour sounds relatively easy by comparison :)
127[01:09:36] <somiaj> biggest issue in most cases is wifi needing non-free firmware, second is the nvidia optimius hardware (intel+gpu mix) can be a pain. Outside of that most things will work just fine, but sometimes you just have to check the chipsets of all the major hardware, or just try to see what works and what doesn't.
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129[01:10:20] <bigMouthCommie> word. i guess i can boot a live distro from stick, i just wanted to see if anyone had a big red warning or anything.
130[01:10:41] <somiaj> to many variations on hardware, hard to get someone who has used your exact hardware, but most works.
131[01:10:44] <PhotoJim> bigMouthCommie: use wired Ethernet until you know if you have the WiFi running well. good standard advice.
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133[01:10:53] <bigMouthCommie> thx PhotoJim
134[01:10:58] <somiaj> You can sometimes google the laptop, and if it is a popular one, there are sometimes writeups of known issues.
135[01:11:15] <PhotoJim> usually, if there are issues, you still have a functional system. might just have slower video than you could, e.g.
136[01:11:19] <PhotoJim> WiFi is the weak link.
137[01:12:03] <PhotoJim> Linux grognards often have a little WiFi stick and a wired USB Ethernet adapter for the cases when the machine they're working on doesn't have good Linux support out of the box. that way they can at least get online while they're fixing stuff.
138[01:12:11] <PhotoJim> assuming those are well-supported devices that you added, anyway :)
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153[01:19:07] <OS036731> msg NickServ identify Travis79$
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159[01:22:32] <PhotoJim> OS-33172: change your password, you did that publicly
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174[01:33:12] <mnuhmnuh_> PhotoJim: besides, tails is useful and fun to play with, and those who need to use it need us to test it. :-)
175[01:33:40] <mnuhmnuh_> great to run from usb.
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180[01:39:39] <PhotoJim> mnuhmnuh_: of course :)
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228[02:14:36] <descuidado> if a new stable release comes out, can update from MY stable realeas to the newest AND is it safe?
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234[02:18:39] <dvs> descuidado, of course
235[02:19:17] <mason> dvs: I thought you had to not skip releases.
236[02:19:36] <descuidado> how is it done?
237[02:19:38] <annadane> that's not skipping
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240[02:19:47] <mason> I might me reading too much into his "MY".
241[02:19:49] <annadane> buster won't be released until about late 2019 or early 2020 anyway
242[02:20:00] <annadane> you'll read the release notes when it happens
243[02:20:10] <dvs> mason, I assumed he was using the current stable release
244[02:20:16] <annadane> or it could be sooner i guess actually
245[02:21:01] <descuidado> i'll guess 2019
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248[02:22:50] <annadane> jessie got up to 8.10 (so far) and we're on 9.4, so... :P
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252[02:24:47] <descuidado> wait so
253[02:24:53] <descuidado> older stable releases also get updated?
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255[02:25:15] <annadane> yes
256[02:25:19] <dvs> descuidado, for a little while after the new stable is released.
257[02:25:36] <annadane> jessie's official support will end in june 2018 and then long term support initiative will take over
258[02:26:15] <descuidado> how does that make sense though? do they get the same updates as the current stable?
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261[02:26:49] <annadane> not the same updates quantitatively, but they do get security fixes (and i guess bug fixes)
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264[02:27:22] <descuidado> hmm ok thanks for the info
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277[02:38:55] <mason> No one told him about LTS.
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280[02:41:35] <annadane> i did
281[02:41:51] <dvs> But you didn't say "LTS"!!!
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287[02:45:13] <mindcrimes> hi
288[02:45:18] <dvs> zzzzz
289[02:45:30] <mindcrimes> trying to edit /etc/network/interfaces on stretch and it doesnt exist
290[02:45:31] <mindcrimes> root@ns502374:/etc/network# cat /etc/network/interfaces
291[02:45:31] <mindcrimes> cat: /etc/network/interfaces: No such file or directory
292[02:45:51] <dvs> Well, that's bad
293[02:46:05] <dvs> Unless there are files in /etc/network/interfaces.d
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295[02:46:57] <mindcrimes> root@ns502374:/etc/network/interfaces.d# ls -al
296[02:46:57] <mindcrimes> total 8
297[02:46:57] <mindcrimes> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 30 2017 .
298[02:46:57] <mindcrimes> drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Mar 16 01:41 ..
299[02:47:01] <mindcrimes> nope none
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302[02:47:09] <awal1> guys, what you suggest according to your personal experience for an 'usb wifi adapter' with 5ghz freq support working nice under debian?
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304[02:47:19] <mindcrimes> but yeah nothing is in interfaces.d
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306[02:48:04] <awal1> ideally open source firmware, or at least firmware available on contrib/non-free
307[02:48:04] <dvs> mindcrimes, So, I'd create one
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311[02:51:16] <mindcrimes> will do thanks
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313[02:51:44] <blaztek> awal1: replaced-url
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315[02:53:53] <awal1> blazte, I have seen that site yet, but really thanks for your attention. I was almost hopeing to hear a real experience :)
316[02:54:00] <awal1> blaztek
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472[04:47:03] <iasybvm> Hello, everyone. I am a Chinese. I want to find a pen friend for my nephew. He can taught you Chinese.
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474[04:47:21] <iasybvm> But his English is not good.
475[04:47:49] <eodchop> Hi all. Is there a application that will allow me to install extras to make my laptop more usable. Looking for something similar to Fedy for Fedora.
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477[04:50:03] <eodchop> Mostly looking for an easy way to install codecs, java, flash, msTTF, etc.
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479[04:50:12] <iasybvm> @eodchop， you can install from source code for yourself.
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481[04:50:45] <iasybvm> And more, there are third party fedora repository on line.
482[04:51:02] <eodchop> yes, I could but that makes maintain updates a pita...
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484[04:51:41] <iasybvm> try google codes for fedora
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487[04:52:55] <eodchop> I am not looking for codecs for fedora.
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490[04:53:43] <eodchop> Please see my question, looking for a easy way to make my laptop more usable. IE codecs, java, flash etc. I am simply asking if there is an application similar to fedy, for Debian.
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492[04:56:08] <iasybvm> You did not follow me. You google "multimedia codes for fedora", you seldom got just an answer for multimedia. There third party repository for fedora on line.
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494[04:57:10] <iasybvm> A road to third party repository is what you want.
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496[04:59:09] <eodchop> Ahh. I am tracking. My fault. Yep, something to make managing tools i need to do my easier to install update.
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593[06:24:10] <hendry> how do i work out what architecture the machine i am is using? i'm confused with the machine i have here since it's a 4.14.12-x86_64-linode92 but with i386 packages
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596[06:25:54] <somiaj> you can run 32bit binaries on 64bit kernels, and if this is a vps seems you are using a shared kernel with your host.
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599[06:26:44] <somiaj> dpkg --print-architecture should say what the default install arch is.
600[06:26:44] <dpkg> somiaj: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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607[06:32:34] <OS-37016> hi
608[06:32:40] <OS-37016> nice to meet you !
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890[10:08:57] <inook> can someone guide me with sense_hat commands with python?
891[10:09:48] <annadane> if it's a generic python question not related to debian you may be better off asking in #python
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915[10:20:47] <inook> i want to run diffrent commands depending on whick joystick event is triggerd on sense_hat please help me
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919[10:22:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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926[10:29:03] <darxmurf> same
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965[10:50:57] <inook> this code adds 2 value to variable when it supposed to add only 1. why is so??? replaced-url
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1003[11:13:40] <inook> why does it takes 2 "countdown rounds" to stop countdown? replaced-url
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1012[11:17:56] <jelly> inook: that does not sound like a Debian question, are you sure you're in the right channel
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1019[11:22:54] <tecneeq> inook: looks like some arduino stuff
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1021[11:23:14] <tecneeq> debian doesn't run on arduino
1022[11:23:27] <tecneeq> yet ;)
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1030[11:25:14] <tecneeq> no wait, that could be raspberry stuff
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1046[11:37:57] <rainbowtux> Hi all, anyone using NFS? When I reboot the client and the server has gone, Debian hangs in the shutdown sequence... Mounted NFS with the soft option, but not working yet: system stops right after 'Stopped Remote filesystems target (Pre)'
1047[11:38:39] <alkisg> rainbowtux: how do you expect shutdown to work if the client cannot read the shutdown programs and data?
1048[11:39:00] <alkisg> Ah sorry
1049[11:39:07] <alkisg> I'm using nfs for netbooting, and misread your question
1050[11:39:55] <rainbowtux> alkisg: the NFS mount is read-only even.. the client just needs to give up and reboot/shutdown :)
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1053[11:41:02] <alkisg> rainbowtux: got it, it probably waits to tell the nfs server "I'm shutting down, so disconnect me", while it shouldn't wait for so long for that
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1062[11:46:25] <rainbowtux> alkisg: i know... the soft option should stop the operation if i understood correctly, timeout is one minute...
1063[11:46:33] <rainbowtux> but even half an hour later, the client still hangs
1064[11:46:59] <alkisg> rainbowtux: that would be systemd still waiting for some nfs unit to finish
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1066[11:47:10] <alkisg> That nfs unit would be the one to respect the soft option
1067[11:47:28] <alkisg> You can force systemd to a lower timeout value...
1068[11:47:35] <alkisg> But that's not a proper solution,just a workaround
1069[11:47:36] <rainbowtux> yes, i think it is the systemd remote_fs target
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1071[11:48:03] <rainbowtux> where can i do that? in the unit? because it is not a real unit, but a special systemd target... or can i set something globally
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1075[11:49:53] <lone-wolf> .
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1093[12:04:11] <Lope> I tried to upgrade my phone's chrooted debian jessie to stretch but it's got some apt issues.
1094[12:04:12] <Lope> replaced-url
1095[12:04:32] <Lope> I've tried removing all the packages it complains about but it didn't help.
1096[12:04:48] <petn-randall> !bat
1097[12:04:48] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1098[12:05:00] <petn-randall> Lope: Can you provide *all* of the above details in a single paste?
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1102[12:05:41] <Lope> Yes sure, just a moment
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1113[12:09:49] <Lope> jessie > stretch upgrade problem: replaced-url
1114[12:09:53] <Lope> petn-randall: ^
1115[12:09:57] <Lope> brb
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1119[12:11:05] <cheapie> Lope: Try using aptitude (if it's installed) to see if it can find a solution, but if it does, read the proposed actions *VERY CAREFULLY* before accepting.
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1126[12:15:39] <petn-randall> Lope: Thanks, can you also paste 'apt-cache policy'? Also, what is the output if you try to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?
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1154[12:44:56] <Lope> cheapie: aptitude is not installed
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1158[12:45:38] <Lope> petn-randall: replaced-url
1159[12:46:32] <Lope> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1164[12:50:07] <DementedShaman> Hello, good morning
1165[12:51:01] <DementedShaman> Is there some place that I can see all services that debian use network? I am building a raspibian for an automation purpose, and I have low network data available
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1168[12:53:23] <HKitain> raspbian isn't really debian, and has its own channel at #raspbian
1169[12:53:42] <HKitain> but netstat -anp --tcp --udp should display all open connections i think
1170[12:54:07] <Lope> I can remove stuff with dpkg -P
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1172[12:54:20] <Lope> hopefully if I remove enough stuff apt-get upgrade will work.
1173[12:54:22] <DementedShaman> Ty HKitain
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1175[12:56:40] <HKitain> Lope, does running apt-get -f install do anything?
1176[12:57:17] <Lope> It corrected dependencies
1177[12:57:21] <Lope> now it's asking me to proceed
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1179[12:57:37] <Lope> so far so good
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1181[12:58:07] <Lope> did i mention this is a life support computer?
1182[12:58:09] <Lope> J/K
1183[12:58:21] <HKitain> usually "try running -f install" means that you stopped an apt transaction in the middle of it before
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1185[12:59:40] <Lope> It breaks here: replaced-url
1186[13:00:10] <Lope> It's a 3.0 kernel. It's in a chroot on my android phone.
1187[13:00:55] <DementedShaman> maybe dist-upgrade?
1188[13:01:02] <babilen> 3.0 in jessie?
1189[13:01:02] <DementedShaman> To upgrade the kernel
1190[13:01:03] <HKitain> no
1191[13:01:09] <Lope> babilen: yes
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1193[13:01:15] <HKitain> "in a chroot on my android phone"
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1195[13:01:27] <HKitain> which means you're kinda screwed, sorry
1196[13:01:43] <Lope> 3.0 android kernel was running jessie in chroot. Now upgraded to stretch
1197[13:01:59] <babilen> So, you have to upgrade your Android kernel
1198[13:02:02] <Lope> Well I've been running debian on my phone for years
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1200[13:02:10] <Lope> babilen: that's not possible.
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1202[13:02:20] <babilen> How so?
1203[13:02:21] <Lope> Samsung is too full of shit.
1204[13:02:34] <HKitain> libc6 is a hard dependency, you can't go around it, and presumably you can't upgrade your kernel either
1205[13:02:41] <Lope> They've haxed the kernel, it's all closed source
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1207[13:03:08] <Lope> From the bad old days.
1208[13:03:14] <HKitain> aren't they breaking GPL by that?
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1210[13:03:23] <eeereplaced-url
1211[13:03:33] <Lope> Certain sony phones run mainline android kernels.
1212[13:03:56] <babilen> There might be a way to either: 1. Upgrade the kernel (e.g. by installing a new Android version/rooting/...) 2. Run the Debian chroot on a supported platform (e.g. new phone) 3. Accept that you cannot run anything newer than your "Jessie"
1213[13:03:58] <Lope> But the best is to buy one of these: replaced-url
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1215[13:04:29] <Lope> I've already upgraded to stretch though.
1216[13:04:38] <Lope> So now I've got a broken stretch
1217[13:04:45] <babilen> \o/
1218[13:04:53] <Lope> I guess I need to debootstrap jessie back onto it.
1219[13:05:08] <Lope> Can't libc6 just work with old kernel?
1220[13:05:09] <babilen> That would be 3.
1221[13:05:19] <Lope> I don't often compile C stuff on my phone.
1222[13:05:23] <Lope> I did it once for node.js
1223[13:05:31] <babilen> That library is used by everything
1224[13:05:34] <HKitain> libc6 is not a library for compiling stuff
1225[13:05:55] <Lope> Oh I see. So can't I tell libc6 I'll take my chances on the old kernel?
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1227[13:06:49] <HKitain> you might be able to fudge the pre-install script somehow, but this will probably result in a broken system
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1230[13:10:01] <Lope> the debian dist-upgrade should notice that my kernel is old and refuse to run instead of breaking the system.
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1237[13:13:20] <HKitain> your use-case is pretty unusual
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1240[13:14:36] <Lope> can I change my sources back to jessie and dist-upgrade backwards somehow?
1241[13:14:43] <Lope> dist-downgrade?
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1243[13:14:56] <RoyK> !downgrade
1244[13:14:56] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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1255[13:21:04] <Lope> it looks like I could maybe compile libc6 to run on the 3.0 kernel: replaced-url
1256[13:21:16] <Lope> RoyK: thanks
1257[13:21:34] <wrksx> Hey there
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1259[13:22:25] <Lope> So I need to debootstrap jessie again?
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1263[13:23:32] <RoyK> Lope: why do you want to downgrade?
1264[13:24:51] <Lope> debian stretch uses libc6 2.24: libc6 kernel support:
1265[13:24:52] <Lope> 2.24 4 Aug 2016 on i[4567]86 and x86_64 -> 2.6.32
1266[13:24:52] <Lope> 2.24 4 Aug 2016 on other platforms -> 3.2
1267[13:25:17] <Lope> I'm running debian in chroot on an android phone with 3.0 kernel. dist-upgrade breaks with the libc6 installation.
1268[13:25:41] <RoyK> ah - ic :)
1269[13:26:02] <RoyK> not lxc?
1270[13:26:54] <RoyK> kvm on android/arm would be nice, though
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1276[13:28:40] <Lope> RoyK: the hypervisor is typically not enabled by the OEM kernels.
1277[13:28:58] <RoyK> mhm
1278[13:29:02] <Lope> how can I compile libc6 from source? I'm going to try the --enable-kernel option.
1279[13:29:23] <RoyK> well, download the source and compile it ;)
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1304[13:42:40] <wrksx> What is the reason for users like replaced-url
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1311[13:47:21] <Lope> RoyK: i decided it's a bad idea. Every upgrade could break it again.
1312[13:47:26] <Lope> I'm going back to jessie
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1314[13:48:13] <RoyK> oh - I didn't think of replacing libc, just making a new one for the vm
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1320[13:52:47] <Lope> there is no vm
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1323[13:54:56] <RoyK> Lope: sorry - the chroot
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1325[13:55:25] <Lope> yes, but then when I upgrade the chroot it'll kill the libc6
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1327[13:55:45] <Lope> and I'll have a broken system every time, and have to custom compile it for each minor change to libc6
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1329[13:56:13] <Lope> whereas jessie I can apt-get upgrade, no worries.
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1405[14:36:43] <shuforov> Hi everyone. Did some body using debian distribution on lenovo thinkpad T460?
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1414[14:43:36] <babilen> shuforov: It's commonly used on that hardware
1415[14:43:41] <babilen> So: Yes
1416[14:45:45] <shuforov> bebilen: ok, thanks very match. Because i thinking to switch to debian distro in next month.
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1418[14:46:05] <babilen> Just make sure you get the installer with firmware if you plan to install via wifi
1419[14:46:09] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
1420[14:46:09] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
1421[14:46:28] <babilen> That contains the necessary firmware for the intel wifi adapter in that box
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1423[14:46:36] <babilen> thinkwiki is also a good resource
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1426[14:46:39] <babilen> *ss
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1431[14:48:06] <dka> Do I seriously have no other way than simple KEY=VALUE style to add config environment in a create-react-app ? (json/yaml/js not possible by default?)
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1433[14:48:14] <shuforov> oh! thanks for this information, i keep it in mind. Actually I can easily connect laptop to Ethernet.
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1437[14:50:02] <jelly> dka: what is create-react-app?
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1485[15:18:57] <genitalwarts> Ubuntu is the best
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1495[15:24:06] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this: replaced-url
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1498[15:26:12] <tw> !ubuntu
1499[15:26:12] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1500[15:26:34] <tw> but realistically, it's probably a nagios config problem, like the error says.
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1504[15:27:08] <pWnXp> ubuntu the distro for people that cant install debian
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1506[15:27:39] <kopper> pWnXp: Or people who get K-lined by elementary school grade nick
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1508[15:27:50] <Slops> hello all looking for some help with the debian live. I am trying to create a live persistant usb with a few extra things installed. Every thing i have found is basiclly taking a hybread iso and putting it on a usb and then making it persistant.
1509[15:27:58] <shuforov> pWnXp, I think debian is not so hard to install as ubuntu using gui interface. ;)
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1513[15:29:14] <pWnXp> debian is the error free distro and it shows for this being the channel with least support questions
1514[15:29:46] <Slops> Like i am looking to have remmina installed by default on my live persistant usb
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1516[15:30:16] <pWnXp> Slops: etheruim trumps bitcoin?
1517[15:30:41] <Slops> pWnXp, huh?
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1519[15:31:02] <pWnXp> remina isnt that a miners distro?
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1522[15:31:42] <Slops> remmina
1523[15:31:47] <Slops> is remote desktop
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1528[15:32:33] <Slops> pWnXp, replaced-url
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1530[15:33:42] <HKitain> Slops, is being able to install the resulting distro necessary?
1531[15:34:17] <HKitain> if not, i'd just install debian to the flash drive like you would to a hard disk
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1539[15:35:33] <pWnXp> like knoppix?
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1542[15:35:36] <anonnumberanon> Why when I type "apt-cache search git" the output is a bunch of packages and i have to hurt my eyes looking for git, which is in reality about 50 lines down from the beginning?
1543[15:35:36] <Slops> HKitain, ok ill look at that option but i also might have to distribute an iso for someone to use and would like to have all the settings
1544[15:35:57] <anonnumberanon> Oh change that to about 200 lines.
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1550[15:38:09] <tw> anonnumberanon: apt-cache search ^git
1551[15:39:48] <pWnXp> is debian using the meta package thing?
1552[15:39:56] <pWnXp> like fedora
1553[15:40:21] <pWnXp> dnf?
1554[15:40:31] <tw> there are meta-packages in apt, but it doesn't use dnf.
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1556[15:41:42] <pWnXp> there should be a distributed apt using BT
1557[15:41:58] <pWnXp> like in windows update
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1560[15:44:19] <HKitain> distributed apt?
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1562[15:46:34] <tw> that'd require a ton of tooling for very little gain. A neat idea though.
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1568[15:47:49] <inook> can someone help me write code so the sense_hats joystick buttons runs diffrent code depending on whick button is pressed???
1569[15:47:53] <HKitain> Slops, Debian itself uses the "live-build" package to build liveCDs
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1571[15:48:36] <tw> inook: you mean read bytes from evdev then fork/exec some program based on that?
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1573[15:48:51] <Slops> HKitain, is there a guide that you know of to customize the iso to include certain packages by default
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1575[15:49:15] <HKitain> no. I suggest you start by googling the package, installing it, and reading its docs
1576[15:49:21] <inook> tw i mean if pressing left pad it runs a part of copde or a call a function
1577[15:49:33] <tw> Slops: replaced-url
1578[15:49:52] <inook> ive been looking for something that can hellp for 4 houers so no i dont want to keep search
1579[15:49:54] <HKitain> tw: that's not a live cd tho
1580[15:49:58] <tw> oh, my bad.
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1582[15:50:34] <Slops> HKitain, tw it doesnt have to be live as long as it can be installed on a usb to be given out
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1584[15:50:37] <tw> yeah, you install the package and copy that filesystem to the live image. I've never done it before, i usually just use kali which by default comes with everything and the kitchen sink.
1585[15:50:55] <Slops> or the iso can be downloaded so the end user can put it on a usb
1586[15:51:36] <HKitain> do you require custom packages, or just packages that aren't in the default livecd?
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1590[15:51:58] <Slops> just packages that arent in the default live cd
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1592[15:52:40] <Slops> and maybe a background image
1593[15:52:47] <tw> inook: a quick google search turns up this: replaced-url
1594[15:53:21] <tw> python script that converts evdev events into x11 events, like keyboard keystrokes, etc.
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1596[15:53:44] <tw> You could modify it to support some kind of fork/exec call.
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1626[16:05:08] <HKitain> Slops, alright, then that should be easy to do using the live-build suite. Good luck with research!
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1629[16:06:07] <babilen> shuforov: There isn't any downside to using the installer with firmware really (apart from using non-free firmware obviously)
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1631[16:06:18] <babilen> So you might just grab that one
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1642[16:11:08] <Slops> HKitain, thanks ill look and see what more i cna find
1643[16:11:10] <ikus060> Hello, I'm writing a new service unit and want to do it the proper way. I need to define a EnvironmentFile for configuration. What is the proper location for such environment variable file ? Previously with init.d I was using /etc/default/my-service-name. Is it a good location for systemd ??
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1654[16:16:08] <tw> ikus060: grep EnvironmentFile /lib/systemd/system/* -> /etc/default and /run/sysconfig are common.
1655[16:16:40] <HKitain> per replaced-url
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1657[16:17:08] <tw> if you change it or create it at runtime, use /run/sysconfig, if you only allow user config, use /etc/default
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1662[16:18:34] <ikus060> Perfect ! I'm glad it didn't change with systemd !
1663[16:18:36] <ikus060> Thanks
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1668[16:21:38] <tw> not a lot of things do. In fact, sysvinit still works for most packages, even in stretch.
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1720[16:49:08] <anonnumberanon> What does this command do?
1721[16:49:10] <anonnumberanon> echo "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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1723[16:49:25] <anonnumberanon> I don't know the pipe and tee.
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1728[16:51:06] <n4dir> it appends the line "deb [arch=amd64]***" to the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list
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1731[16:51:43] <petn-randall> anonnumberanon: The echo part writes everything in brackets to STDOUT. The $(...) part gets executed and the output put there. 'tee -a' appends the output it receives to that file while also writing it to STDOUT again.
1732[16:51:44] <n4dir> no clue what tee might be useful for in that case, you could just as well use echo *** >> filename.
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1741[16:53:40] <anonnumberanon> petn-randall, in my case tee did not write anything to std out
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1743[16:53:44] <anonnumberanon> only echo did
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1748[16:55:13] <bitess> you need tee because you need root to write to that directory. sudo echo >> wouldn't work.
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1753[16:55:38] <n4dir> with su it would work flawless
1754[16:55:46] <bitess> great.
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1767[16:57:50] <anonnumberanon> Maybe the problem comes from this line.
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1770[16:57:59] <petn-randall> anonnumberanon: You should be seeing any output from echo, since that gets piped to tee. It's 'tee' that is writing to stdout.
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1774[16:58:09] <anonnumberanon> The real problem is when i try to apt-get install docker after this, it can't locate the package.
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1776[16:58:25] <bitess> forgot to apt update ?
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1781[16:58:46] <anonnumberanon> no i did it
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1783[16:58:48] <anonnumberanon> twice
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1786[16:59:07] <anonnumberanon> petn-randall, ah i see okay
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1790[16:59:39] <n4dir> did you have a look at the file docker.list if everything is ok there?
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1792[16:59:55] <inook> how do i make a python script always run(if stopped it restarts) so its always running
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1794[17:00:16] <petn-randall> anonnumberanon: 'apt-get search docker'.
1795[17:00:30] <anonnumberanon> I did "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list" and it outputs deb "[arch=amd64] replaced-url
1796[17:00:30] <bitess> what package? docker-ce? what does apt-cache policy docker-ce say?
1797[17:00:34] <anonnumberanon> so that seems okay
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1799[17:00:59] <bitess> inook: write a systemd unit
1800[17:01:02] <petn-randall> bitess: "Don't give them the food, teach them how to fish!"
1801[17:01:04] <anonnumberanon> it says this bitess: "N: Unable to locate package docker-ce"
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1807[17:01:36] <petn-randall> anonnumberanon: Does 'apt update' throw an error?
1808[17:01:38] <n4dir> do there belong quotes before [arch ... and after stable?
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1811[17:01:59] <petn-randall> anonnumberanon: Are you running on i386?
1812[17:02:01] <anonnumberanon> petn-randall, it said OK when i imported the gpg gkey
1813[17:02:14] <anonnumberanon> petn-randall, yeah im pretty sure this is 386
1814[17:02:18] <anonnumberanon> i see
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1917[17:03:42] <anonnumberanon> uhm does Docker only work on 64?
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1926[17:04:29] <anonnumberanon> "Docker CE is supported on both x86_64 (or amd64 ) and armhf architectures for Jessie and Stretch"
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1936[17:05:30] <anonnumberanon> ok this time is time for a smoke for real
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1945[17:07:14] <petn-randall> anonnumberanon: Seems so, yeah :(
1946[17:07:32] <mahafyi> it has been an intense two weeks of learning debian and gnome. I have switched to buster from stretch in production now, and the main problem of awake from suspend is fully resolved. Multiple desktop mostly Dell, and a few Acers and HPs. I have setup a couple staging environments to test upgrades before rolling them out.
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1970[17:10:06] <petn-randall> mahafyi: Why did you switch to buster? It's not even released yet.
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1973[17:10:15] <petn-randall> mahafyi: Or do you mean stretch?
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1977[17:10:54] <mahafyi> petn-randall : many desktops with gnome were 'freezing', i could not resolve the issues.
1978[17:11:09] <mahafyi> i installed Debian Buster amd-64.
1979[17:11:39] <mahafyi> the problems were on stretch 9.4
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1981[17:12:08] <petn-randall> I'd assume that you'd get more problem in the long run, but if it works for you, it's fine I guess.
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1987[17:13:48] <mahafyi> i was trying many things, udeb rules, systemctl mask the entire acpi targets (sleep, suspend, hibernate, hybrid-sleep), echoing enabled into acpi and usb devices/wakeup etc, switch away from noveaou to non free nvidia gpu modules etc.
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1991[17:14:55] <mahafyi> i did not bookmark a forum discussion where someone said that to either downgrade to a kernel below 4.3 or above 4.11 as there was some meltdown patch that was causing some issues. i know nothing of it, i installed buster and it worked.
1992[17:14:58] <mahafyi> lol
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1997[17:17:00] <mahafyi> i have an uneasy feeling about putting testing into production, hence i am mentioning it here :)
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2001[17:18:00] <mukmuk> if it is kernel related, you might try backports, i guess... ? there you'll find 4.14 at least
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2021[17:25:50] <wrksx> I'm trying to give a specific user permission to write to a file using acl, so I used setfacl -m u:acmesh:rwx myfile
2022[17:26:17] <wrksx> but echo 'sdlmfk' > myfile says permission denied
2023[17:26:24] <wrksx> (from that specific user)
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2025[17:26:46] <wrksx> I wonder what I might be doin wrong
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2028[17:27:22] <petn-randall> wrksx: Can that user access the directory where the file is?
2029[17:27:33] <mahafyi> mukmuk : thanks. I did not know about this. It looks like a good idea to try it.
2030[17:27:49] <petn-randall> wrksx: Does appending work? Then I'd assume echo is overwriting the file, which needs write permission in the directory.
2031[17:27:52] <mahafyi> use backports for stretch and change kernel
2032[17:28:27] <wrksx> petn-randall, no permission to access that dir
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2072[17:45:40] <petn-randall> wrksx: The user needs at least the x bit on the dir. And also rw if not appending.
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2075[17:46:43] <wrksx> petn-randall, oh right, goin to give that a try thanks
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2077[17:47:38] <wrksx> petn-randall, it works with x
2078[17:47:53] <wrksx> even echo > file
2079[17:47:58] * petn-randall thumbs up.
2080[17:48:16] <petn-randall> Ah, then the shell really does a truncate+write, not creating a new file.
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2083[17:48:46] <wrksx> petn-randall, seems so =) thanks so much
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2085[17:49:24] <petn-randall> You're welcome! Always happy to help.
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2093[17:51:49] <tw> Is it ever preferable to unlink() open(O_CREAT|O_WRONLY) rather than open(O_CREAT|O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC)?
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2098[17:54:17] <petn-randall> tw: Not sure, but I know that e.g. libreoffice does not overwrite the old file, but creates a new file on every save, removing the old one.
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2100[17:54:59] <tw> iirc, vim does the same thing for small files.
2101[17:55:15] <tw> (you can turn this behavior off)
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2104[17:56:30] <tw> Actually, even in the unlink() open(...) version you should definitely include O_TRUNC to avoid a race.
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2149[18:20:40] <gaza_commander> after make allnoconfig , there are no options to modularize certain drivers i would otherwise make with Y or M. for instance there is only [] and not <> on IPV6 option. What must i do here?
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2151[18:20:53] <gaza_commander> mark*
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2166[18:28:45] <petn-randall> gaza_commander: They usually have several dependencies on other things, that you'd have to look up in the config files.
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2168[18:29:19] <petn-randall> gaza_commander: So starting off with 'allnoconfig' will probably produce a day or two of working to get it running on your system. What are you trying to accomplish?
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2172[18:30:40] <rejoice> Happy GNUvidad!
2173[18:31:07] <jelly> what
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2176[18:31:37] <gaza_commander> really i just wanted to see the outcome. i have been for hours now digging through every single module loaded for all installed devices and applying them to the config. its only now that i want to modularize some drivers i realise the option isnt there.
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2195[18:38:17] <petn-randall> gaza_commander: I'd start off with the default config shipped with Debian, and work from there. You're more likely to get a working result that way.
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2203[18:40:51] <gaza_commander> petn-randall: yes but isnt the default more generic? i notice there are something i dont need there and also things i need not included
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2214[18:44:41] <petn-randall> gaza_commander: Yes. If your goal is to boot a custom kernel within the next days, I'd start off with the default config. If you want to study the Linux kernel and spend a couple of days configuring it, you can go with the minimal route.
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2228[18:52:39] <descuidado> could someone please tell me if my sources.list is not an absolute disaster? also can someone point me where the "options" are, as to, what i can modify? replaced-url
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2230[18:53:22] <jelly> descuidado: they are a disaster.
2231[18:53:26] <descuidado> oh god
2232[18:53:29] <descuidado> what should i do
2233[18:53:33] <annadane> panic!
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2235[18:53:48] <jelly> do not use "stable", use a specific codename
2236[18:53:56] <descuidado> why not? i want to have current stable
2237[18:54:01] <BenNZ> depends on what you want to track
2238[18:54:13] <petn-randall> descuidado: Do you want to surprise upgrade when buster is released?
2239[18:54:15] <jelly> descuidado: because your system WILL break
2240[18:54:29] <descuidado> petn-randall, is that bad?
2241[18:54:34] <descuidado> jelly, really?
2242[18:54:36] <annadane> just use "stretch" in place of stable, problem solved
2243[18:54:40] <jelly> yes really.
2244[18:54:42] <annadane> (without quotation marks, obviously)
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2246[18:54:51] <petn-randall> descuidado: Well, since you should prepare for the upgrade, I'd say yes.
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2248[18:55:16] <petn-randall> descuidado: Upgrading includes making backups, reading the release notes, and making any necessary preparations.
2249[18:55:21] <jelly> descuidado: when new Debian is out, you need to read the release notes and follow the release upgrade procedure, which varies from release to release
2250[18:55:27] <descuidado> also, is the order of "contrib main non-free" troublesome? or is it arbitrary?
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2253[18:55:48] <jelly> the order of sections is not important
2254[18:55:53] <descuidado> oh ok
2255[18:56:19] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
2256[18:56:20] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
2257[18:56:38] <jelly> (and add contrib non-free if needed)
2258[18:56:41] <descuidado> oh no
2259[18:56:45] <descuidado> i have more than 3 lines
2260[18:56:58] <annadane> src lines don't count
2261[18:57:02] <jelly> !deb-src
2262[18:57:03] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
2263[18:57:03] <annadane> they're irrelevant, you can leave them in
2264[18:57:13] <annadane> other than changing stable to stretch your sources.list is fine
2265[18:57:32] <descuidado> oh ok
2266[18:57:33] <annadane> and remember to type apt update afterwards
2267[18:57:36] <descuidado> thanks a lot!
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2269[18:57:57] <jelly> we do not know whether descuidado is actually on stretch.
2270[18:58:02] <descuidado> i am
2271[18:58:05] <descuidado> dont worry
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2273[18:58:12] <donofrio> added a channel from windows called windows-subsystem-for-linux feel free to join me and we can discuss moar wsl on w10 ;)
2274[18:58:38] <jelly> donofrio: uh, maybe make it ##wsl ? That name is so long.
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2277[18:59:20] <donofrio> oh ok humm can I make alias for channels?
2278[18:59:41] <donofrio> like join ##wsl would take you to the longer version of that channel
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2280[19:00:31] <jelly> you can make a new channel that can be set up to redirect everyone to the right one, but I'm too lazy to explain the details right now. Ask in #freenode
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2282[19:01:01] <jelly> or in ##chops-lounge
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2296[19:10:15] <voices> is the damnsmalllinux website down?
2297[19:10:43] <mutante> replaced-url
2298[19:11:29] <hakerx1> aha it is down :)
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2300[19:11:38] <voices> or is dsl just dead
2301[19:12:01] <hakerx1> well i can't enter it and ping too
2302[19:12:04] <hakerx1> so it's server
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2305[19:12:46] <hakerx1> they are down ..
2306[19:13:07] <annadane> but what happens when downforeveryoneorjustme is down?
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2308[19:13:32] <JustASlacker> the internet implodes
2309[19:13:33] <hakerx1> sounds like odd question but it's just a website with ping ...
2310[19:13:53] <JustASlacker> the same happens when you enter google into google
2311[19:14:01] <annadane> i'm not allowed to be sarcastic on the internet? :(
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2313[19:14:15] <hakerx1> don't try fool the trolls :D
2314[19:14:22] <hakerx1> trolls eat trolls too ^^
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2317[19:14:45] <voices> wow, just noticed wikipedia says Latest release: 4.4.10 / November 18, 2008 is that true? I thought it was still current
2318[19:14:56] <annadane> for... debian?
2319[19:15:00] <jelly> !dsl
2320[19:15:01] <dpkg> [dsl] Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable, or Damn Small Linux (replaced-url
2321[19:15:01] <annadane> current is 9.4
2322[19:15:08] <annadane> oh, dsl.
2323[19:15:09] <hakerx1> right trust more wikia and u will dumber then my boot ^^
2324[19:15:22] <jelly> ^ right channel for dsl, not this one
2325[19:15:39] <gaza_commander> never mind i found the the module option.
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2327[19:16:18] * hakerx1 JUST DO IT!
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2331[19:19:04] <gaza_commander> petn-randall: you were right about the dependences alot need to be resolved i was just lucky to find just the right kernel makefile rule which lead me to this option
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2334[19:20:58] <voices> so, what's the lightest debian based distro?
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2336[19:21:11] <voices> that's still maintained
2337[19:21:14] <petn-randall> voices: We only offer Debian in here.
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2339[19:21:44] <petn-randall> !light weight
2340[19:21:44] <dpkg> <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (replaced-url
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2343[19:23:25] <semyon> Hey, a question, where can i find a good comparison or explanation of the different releases at the current moment? Can be official/non-official
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2346[19:24:04] <petn-randall> semyon: Different releases of what exactly?
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2348[19:24:38] <semyon> petn-randall: I mean the differences between stable, testing, buster etc
2349[19:24:56] <annadane> replaced-url
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2351[19:25:52] <semyon> annadane: Thanks!
2352[19:26:17] <annadane> replaced-url
2353[19:26:30] <annadane> ^ more comprehensive
2354[19:27:02] <semyon> Cool, i'll look into it
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2358[19:29:08] <voices> that's right; Debian.. what alternative? When someone says 'lightweight', they mean; minimum overhead, smaller in size, less disk space in particular.
2359[19:29:38] <annadane> debian's fairly lightweight. it depends on what your requirements are. go ask ##linux
2360[19:29:52] <petn-randall> voices: Use Debian.
2361[19:30:12] <petn-randall> voices: It can't get any more lightweight than a minimal install.
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2373[19:36:21] <simpledat> I have a blockchain.info wallet. I have not received any, sent or exchanged any Bitcoin Cash. Do you know why I got Bitcoin Cash on my wallet?
2374[19:36:37] <simpledat> wrong channel
2375[19:37:17] <petn-randall> simpledat: That was my mistake. Can you send those bitcoins back to me? O:-)
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2378[19:38:06] <simpledat> petn-randall: Well there is no history of sent or received any Bitcoin Cash.
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2431[19:56:55] <gedia> Hello all, I've been trying to build libphonenumber on stretch and I can't figure out how to overcome a maven dependency. Is there any package that provides org.codehaus.mojo.signature:java15:1.0 or another version of it? Thanks!
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2468[20:19:26] <gedia> eric23: thanks, neither could I, I worked around this by adding maven animal sniffer to maven's ignore rules...
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2478[20:28:28] <kion> is it possible to encrypt the whole disk after installing Debian without that option?
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2484[20:33:37] <n4dir> kion: as no one answers, i don't think that is possible.
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2491[20:37:54] <ksk> kion: nope, you have to encrypt the drive, then copy data (debian) onto it.
2492[20:38:07] <ksk> you cannot turn a running debian into an encrypted one
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2584[21:30:16] <vlt> kion: It's possible but there are quite a bunch of steps necessary. You might as well re-install.
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2632[22:00:08] <zerick> Does anybody knows a way to install Prometheus 2.0 into Debian Stretch
2633[22:00:10] <zerick> ?
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2635[22:00:45] <zerick> by using deb packages
2636[22:00:54] <zerick> not from source
2637[22:01:13] <greycat> ,v prometheus
2638[22:01:14] <judd> Package: prometheus on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.5.2+ds-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.5.2+ds-2+b3; stretch-backports: 2.0.0+ds3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.0.0+ds3-1; sid: 2.2.0+ds-1
2639[22:01:22] <greycat> !tell zerick about stretch-backports
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2641[22:01:39] <zerick> thanks greycat
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2643[22:03:56] <annadane> alternatively, try stealing it from the gods
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2681[22:29:51] <jarfr> :/set theme xchat
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3038[23:47:36] <RoyK> plutes: pwd
3039[23:47:53] <plutes> pwd
3040[23:48:09] <plutes> RoyK, why?
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3043[23:49:48] <plutes> RoyK, its says msf?
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3050[23:55:18] <noodlepie> I got GNURoot Debian X to install with some FDroid apps on my Meiigoo.com phone
3051[23:55:29] <RoyK> plutes: you said ls
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3054[23:56:12] <noodlepie> I love Debian and Gentoo, Gentoo on my laptop (8 ccre i7 - 8BG) and Debian on my Phone (octa core ARMv8 64bit)
3055[23:56:55] <noodlepie> I love General MIDI 2 also
3056[23:57:53] <noodlepie> I have a Roland GAIA SH-01 synth with virtual analogue symth envelopes, filter, reverb, resonance and effect - three channel plus a fully instrumented General MIDI 2.0 sound module
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3059[23:58:12] <noodlepie> The DSP settings are excellent so it sounds better than Timidity#++
3060[23:58:40] <noodlepie> And it has Linux support to control the synth from a Java app someone wrote
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