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• 66[00:34:24] <jteppinette> Thoughts on using ffmpeg2theora vs ffmpeg directly to convert video files to OGG Theora?
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• 92[00:49:31] <HelloShitty> Evening everyone
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• 95[00:51:00] <HelloShitty> I was here using 'dd' command and I was thinking why there are the 2 options 'bs' and 'count'. I mean, when formatting a flash rive, is there any consequence of using higher count for lower bs? Or the other way around, other than the time it takes to perform the action?
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• 98[00:51:28] <HelloShitty> I know we can use 'dd' to truncate space an creating sparse files, etc
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• 100[00:51:44] <HelloShitty> but when formatting, are those 2 options of any use?
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• 102[00:52:08] <ryouma> what does one do with a dvd to put it on a hard drive watchably by vlc? i can mount it and copy it presumably, but will that work?
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• 105[00:52:40] <ryouma> i.e. can vlc run on a dir?
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• 110[00:53:26] <HelloShitty> For instance, I want to wipe clean a 128Gb USB flash drive. Are there any dis/avantages on using higher bs and lower count or the other way aroun, other than time takne?
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• 112[00:55:00] <dvs> HelloShitty, if you're formatting the entire device, I don't see a need to use count. However, it will end with an error message but the device will be formatted.
• 113[00:55:46] <HelloShitty> dvs: yes, I'm aware of that
• 114[00:56:04] <HelloShitty> but is it the only difference, the time taken?
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• 116[00:56:23] <HelloShitty> like, if I choose smaller bs an higher count, it will take longer
• 117[00:56:29] <HelloShitty> an will take less time, otherwise
• 118[00:56:43] <HelloShitty> but other than that, are there any more differences?
• 119[00:56:46] <dvs> HelloShitty, the time it takes is a matter of bs only
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• 122[00:57:28] <HelloShitty> yes, but if you change bs you need to change count accordingly, if you want to avoid the error at the end
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• 124[00:57:54] <HelloShitty> but other than that, will be just time, no?
• 125[00:58:32] <ryouma> i think it is just a bunch of bits to copy
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• 129[01:00:09] <HelloShitty> and what about the math? If I have a 128Gb flash, to avoid the error, I need for instance, bs=1M count=128000 ?
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• 139[01:02:53] <dvs> HelloShitty, most USB drives' capacity are not exact to the GB so it's hard to tell.
• 140[01:03:04] <greatgatsby> Note: The count= option is not necessary when wiping all the physical area e.g. sdXY or sdX from the start to the end but it shows an error about out of free space when it tries to write outside the limits.
• 141[01:03:12] <greatgatsby> from replaced-url
• 142[01:03:28] <HelloShitty> I know that greatgatsby
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• 144[01:03:50] <HelloShitty> Have you read the last lines written here by me and dvs ?
• 145[01:04:00] <HelloShitty> We've been talking about that
• 146[01:04:24] <dvs> HelloShitty, that is about the math!
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• 148[01:04:41] <dvs> oh sorry
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• 150[01:04:47] <HelloShitty> ah ok
• 151[01:04:51] <dvs> you're talking to greatgatsby
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• 153[01:05:30] <greatgatsby> yeah, my bad, I wasn't really following
• 154[01:05:52] <greatgatsby> could have zeroed it out by now
• 155[01:06:06] <HelloShitty> greatgatsby: but I'm reading about the math in your link
• 156[01:06:22] <HelloShitty> I thought the link was only to say that the error at the end is fine
• 157[01:06:53] <greatgatsby> arch wiki is usually pretty good. Honestly, for cloning and/or zeroing, I've never bothered with the math, but if it's to get rid of the error I suppose there's no alternative
• 158[01:07:10] <greatgatsby> oh, ok - no worries, just trying to provide info
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• 160[01:07:34] <greatgatsby> 'night all
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• 162[01:09:49] <HelloShitty> thank you for the link greatgatsby
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• 168[01:12:51] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: If you want to clear out flash the best option is using "hdparm --security-erase" if the device supports it. That way you don't wind up filling the flash, which leads to write amplification and bad performance thereafer unless the flash is "enterprise quality".
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• 173[01:13:40] <HelloShitty> It's a brand new SanDisk Extreme Pro
• 174[01:14:21] <dvs> I have two of those
• 175[01:14:23] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: Dunno. But probably consumer-grade. Which means you don't want to use more than (maybe) 80% of it. Leave 20% unpartitioned and that will take care of it.
• 176[01:15:04] <HelloShitty> hum, ok
• 177[01:15:15] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: If you're setting up a crypted disk you'll want to fill your crypted partition with random numbers -- so nobody knows what's encrypted data and what's not.
• 178[01:15:21] <HelloShitty> I need to search about that hparm
• 179[01:16:03] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: It's in the man page. See also wikipedia for secure erase and write amplification.
• 180[01:16:15] <HelloShitty> I'm not sure what you mean to fill it with random numbers
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• 183[01:16:28] <HelloShitty> I want to "fill it" with data
• 184[01:16:36] <HelloShitty> after a proper erase
• 185[01:16:57] <abrotman> so erase it, fill it .. what's the problem?
• 186[01:17:31] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: Suppose your disk is zeroed. You encrypt it. You write some data. The data looks like random numbers. The not-data looks like zeros. An attacker can concentrate on the data and ignore the not-data. If the not-data is also random then to attack is harder.
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• 188[01:18:35] <ryouma> by a constant factor though, right?
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• 190[01:18:46] <HelloShitty> ah, ok... So you mean to use /dev/urandom instead of /dev/zero
• 191[01:18:49] <HelloShitty> ?
• 192[01:19:02] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: Yes. This can take quite some time.
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• 194[01:19:27] <HelloShitty> ok
• 195[01:19:33] <HelloShitty> thanks for the tips
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• 197[01:20:46] <pepperoni> anyone have ideas on what might be wrong w/ this dpkg install of a kernel ... replaced-url
• 198[01:21:55] <pepperoni> not sure what this return code might mean ... run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/x-grub-legacy-ec2 exited with return code 20
• 199[01:21:59] <abrotman> pepperoni: that's not a Debian kernel ?
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• 202[01:22:30] <pepperoni> it's a vanilla kernel, but was hoping to get some thoughts on the dpkg error
• 203[01:22:31] <karlpinc> ryouma: I suppose it all depends. What you say makes sense to me. If I know that there's a 4.5G DVD worth of data on the encrypted disk and know what DVD it is then I can (smartly?) guess at the encryption and encrypt the DVD and compare it to the encrypted data. If I get a match I can decrypt the rest of the data on the disk. I'm not overly knowledgeable about how this sort of stuff is done, maybe with FPGAs. At the end of the
• 204[01:22:31] <karlpinc> data there's no substitute for understanding.
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• 206[01:23:14] <abrotman> pepperoni: you'll have to debug the script that is failing
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• 209[01:23:38] <pepperoni> abrotman: yeah, i jumped into it and it's not a hardcoded 20 which caused me some confustion
• 210[01:23:59] <ryouma> encryption would be almost useless if your speculation is correct. we know /etc/papersize and such
• 211[01:24:05] <ryouma> well, anything that is 1 block
• 212[01:24:24] <karlpinc> ryouma: Guessing the right encryption is hard. That's the main point.
• 213[01:24:37] <ryouma> ah right
• 214[01:25:25] <abrotman> pepperoni: if you run the script manually, what happens?
• 215[01:25:37] <abrotman> or put a set -x at the top
• 216[01:25:58] <karlpinc> ryouma: But the core techniques don't change. If you want to break a ceasar cipher you look at the frequency of the letters in the english language, look at the frequency of the encrypted text, and match up. The more encrypted text the easier. But if you intersperse random numbers with the encrypted text then it gets harder.
• 217[01:26:04] <pepperoni> abrotman: running it by itself, it ran fine
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• 222[01:31:55] <terr> in my log files I am getting: wlp2s0: link is not ready it is the correct interface and it was working this morning. I am trying to set up a network connection. why would this be happening
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• 224[01:32:36] <abrotman> because the link is not ready
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• 227[01:32:52] <abrotman> What kind of device is it?
• 228[01:32:58] <terr> the next thing is that when I try to connect - forget it. and the only option network-manger gives me is to edit or delete
• 229[01:32:59] <abrotman> seems like a wireless device
• 230[01:33:17] <abrotman> tried unloading/reloading the driver?
• 231[01:33:20] <terr> wlp2s0
• 232[01:33:32] <abrotman> (or a reboot)
• 233[01:33:47] <abrotman> checked /var/log/messages ? is there a physical switch? check rfkill ?
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• 235[01:35:30] <terr> Now this is what I can do. delete it. Use my cell phone and enable tethering. the system find the mobile link and from there I can enter the password and attempt to connect - it fails. then it disables it and at this point my only option is edit or delete. try reconnect? nope. so I can simply unteather and delete and try another test
• 236[01:36:12] <terr> I don't want to do that. I want to figure out how this works and I"m building a sytem from scratch on this machien anyways with a lot of stuff 1/2 done
• 237[01:36:33] <abrotman> I asked like seven questions ...
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• 239[01:36:58] <terr> let me cehck var/log/messages
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• 241[01:37:43] <terr> lots of messages. Let me read some
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• 244[01:40:50] <terr> hang on please
• 245[01:41:12] <terr> rfkill in not installed. I can't install it because no net access
• 246[01:42:07] <terr> I am getting IPv6 link is not ready
• 247[01:43:32] <terr> then a message (2 of them - perhaps IPv4 and IPv6) that the state changes from inactive -> disabled
• 248[01:44:14] <terr> what I have done is check the interfaces via ip a
• 249[01:45:08] <terr> the state information changed. so I tried to do an ip link set blah up. that doesn't seem to do anything
• 250[01:45:19] <terr> I'
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• 252[01:45:52] <terr> ve done service networking start and ditto restart.
• 253[01:46:43] <terr> as I recall this worked yesterday and the interface was running a few hours ago. now neother start nor restart seams to do anything
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• 255[01:47:26] <terr> all ip a says now is state DOWN which is no surprise
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• 267[01:53:30] <rander2> hello
• 268[01:54:15] <al3xandr0s> hi rander2
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• 275[02:00:47] <rander2> there are alternatives to teamviewr ?
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• 280[02:01:19] <rander2> teamviewer
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• 283[02:01:50] <al3xandr0s> vnc?
• 284[02:02:04] <al3xandr0s> \anydesk
• 285[02:02:08] <rander2> basically I must connect throught a nat with ssh
• 286[02:02:34] <rander2> so or I use a reverse ssh -R , throught a pubblic IP
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• 289[02:03:37] <rander2> vnc have possibility to connect to a machine back a nat ?
• 290[02:03:38] <al3xandr0s> ssh, vnc both are better
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• 293[02:04:15] <rander2> where it's impossible direct connection
• 294[02:04:45] <al3xandr0s> VNC Server appears to be behind a NAT router
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• 296[02:05:33] <rander2> what ?
• 297[02:05:56] <rander2> VNC go to a direct connection
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• 299[02:06:16] <al3xandr0s> yes
• 300[02:06:30] <rander2> the machines must be on the same net
• 301[02:06:38] <al3xandr0s> yes
• 302[02:06:54] <rander2> I mean connect 2 machine on 2 different net
• 303[02:07:02] <al3xandr0s> yeap
• 304[02:08:09] <rander2> teamviewer usa a external public IP that do bridge
• 305[02:08:16] <Translat-Embedde> hii can I linux debian use as web server ? or i must using server edition linux ?
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• 307[02:08:50] <rander2> Translat-Embedde, apt install apache2
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• 310[02:10:07] <rander2> one solution is use ssh -R , using a external linux machine as bridge
• 311[02:10:25] <al3xandr0s> replaced-url
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• 313[02:11:12] <al3xandr0s> ssh, vnc, teamviewer , anydesk etc
• 314[02:11:26] <al3xandr0s> you can use them all
• 315[02:11:51] <Translat-Embedde> i can see that i install apache but i dont know if debian use full server hardware or not ?
• 316[02:11:55] <rander2> al3xandr0s, I'm looking for a open solution
• 317[02:11:55] <al3xandr0s> Translat-Embedde, yew you can both
• 318[02:12:25] <al3xandr0s> well you have to go with ssh
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• 320[02:12:58] <rander2> Translat-Embedde, apt install nginx
• 321[02:13:47] <al3xandr0s> if you install nginx you must to stop apache2
• 322[02:14:21] <rander2> sure, or unistall apache2
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• 324[02:14:35] <rander2> nginx is more fast and simple
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• 328[02:15:33] <Translat-Embedde> rander2: apache is not good ??
• 329[02:15:38] <al3xandr0s> or configure very good apache2
• 330[02:15:57] <rander2> al3xandr0s, anydesk is another proprietary solution as teamviewer
• 331[02:16:06] <al3xandr0s> yes
• 332[02:16:08] <rander2> Translat-Embedde, it's thye same
• 333[02:16:11] <al3xandr0s> you ask about that
• 334[02:16:43] <al3xandr0s> it's new in the market
• 335[02:17:00] <rander2> al3xandr0s, anydesk have the capability to connect 2 machine in different net
• 336[02:17:08] <al3xandr0s> yes
• 337[02:17:18] <rander2> and VNC ?
• 338[02:17:24] <al3xandr0s> yes
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• 340[02:17:44] <rander2> VNC by default , or I must indicate a machine ?
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• 342[02:17:58] <al3xandr0s> i'm not sure
• 343[02:18:06] <al3xandr0s> read the doc
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• 350[02:21:40] <dsc_> replaced-url
• 351[02:21:49] <dsc_> ^-- apt-update failing due to signing errors
• 352[02:21:53] <dsc_> not sure how to resolve
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• 354[02:22:14] <al3xandr0s> sudo man
• 355[02:22:23] <al3xandr0s> if you are user
• 356[02:22:28] <al3xandr0s> or su -
• 357[02:22:32] <dsc_> al3xandr0s: was that directed to me?
• 358[02:22:35] <al3xandr0s> and then apt update
• 359[02:22:40] <dsc_> ah, yep I'm root
• 360[02:22:52] <dsc_> # cat /etc/debian_version
• 361[02:22:52] <dsc_> 8.6
• 362[02:23:07] <Translat-Embedde> i try debian in the past
• 363[02:23:12] <al3xandr0s> your paste was with $
• 364[02:23:17] <Translat-Embedde> yes i must using sudo nautilus
• 365[02:23:18] <al3xandr0s> not #
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• 367[02:23:31] <dsc_> al3xandr0s: I replaced the # with $ to mark it as terminal command, should not have done it :P
• 368[02:23:54] <Translat-Embedde> but i want make server and i dont know if debian is ok or not ok
• 369[02:24:23] <Kobaz> mmm, any debian packages for any matrix clients?
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• 371[02:24:27] <Kobaz> having trouble finding one
• 372[02:24:38] <Translat-Embedde> because i can see that other rack servers using other edition linux ofr example centos, ubuntu, suse enterprise
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• 374[02:25:42] <al3xandr0s> it's very easy to install debian server
• 375[02:26:10] <al3xandr0s> upload the iso in your datacenter account
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• 377[02:26:48] <al3xandr0s> and in the tasksel uncomment the desktop envs
• 378[02:26:53] <lwp> dsc_: you have a mixture of wheezy and squeeze and stable in there. what are you actually running ??
• 379[02:27:21] <dsc_> lwp: Good question my dear sir. Last time I logged in on this system was 19 jan 2019. Let me check what this actually is.
• 380[02:27:40] <al3xandr0s> Kobaz, try RIOT
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• 384[02:28:16] <dsc_> lwp: Suppose we can trust /etc/debian_version reporting 8.6?
• 385[02:28:21] <Kobaz> apt search riot
• 386[02:28:27] <ratrace> Translat-Embedde: Debian makes a very fine server. It's traditionally been an icon of a "stable server" forever.
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• 388[02:28:30] <Kobaz> i forgot how the bot works
• 389[02:28:33] <Kobaz> !apt search riot
• 390[02:28:39] <ratrace> !info riot
• 391[02:28:45] <sadtaco> should my daemon.log be full of stuff like "Mar 18 01:19:21 ip-10-0-0-7 dhclient[302]: DHCPOFFER of 10.0.0.7 from 10.0.0.1"? It's using up a ton of space.
• 392[02:28:56] <Kobaz> al3xandr0s: what's the full name of the package?
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• 394[02:29:14] <al3xandr0s> wget replaced-url
• 395[02:29:14] <al3xandr0s> sudo apt-key add repo-key.asc
• 396[02:29:15] <al3xandr0s> rm repo-key.asc
• 397[02:29:15] <al3xandr0s> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list.d/matrix-riot.list
• 398[02:29:21] <Kobaz> oooo
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• 400[02:29:35] <al3xandr0s> deb replaced-url
• 401[02:29:35] <al3xandr0s> deb-src replaced-url
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• 403[02:29:48] <al3xandr0s> sudo apt-get update
• 404[02:29:48] <al3xandr0s> sudo apt-get install riot-web
• 405[02:29:53] <Kobaz> why vi?
• 406[02:30:02] <ratrace> al3xandr0s: maybe you should prepare a pastebin for them
• 407[02:30:02] <Kobaz> you know you want to emacs
• 408[02:30:10] <al3xandr0s> yeap
• 409[02:30:11] <al3xandr0s> sorry
• 410[02:30:16] <lwp> dsc_ well, debian 8 is jessie, which is not one of the repo's you are pulling updates for.
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• 413[02:31:08] <dsc_> lwp: I changed /etc/apt/sources.list to jessie; still getting some signing errors though
• 414[02:31:16] <sadtaco> replaced-url
• 415[02:31:25] <sadtaco> It is an Amazon AWS instance
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• 417[02:32:52] <lwp> !jessie sources.list
• 418[02:32:53] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 422[02:35:42] <sadtaco> Also I have the same exact garbage in syslog as in daemon.log. Why can't I just have the one log?
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• 426[02:38:28] <ratrace> sadtaco: you can, of course, configure your syslog for just one log file, or use the journal
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• 431[02:39:13] <sadtaco> I'm having trouble figuring out where to configure that out
• 432[02:39:23] <ratrace> sadtaco: which debian?
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• 434[02:40:11] <sadtaco> /var/log/syslog and /var/log/daemon.log seem to be have exactly the same stuff logged. Debian GNU/Linux 9 \n \l
• 435[02:41:09] <ratrace> sadtaco: so you can use the journal then, and ignore syslog. OR, configure /etc/rsyslog.conf for whatever pattern of files you want.
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• 437[02:42:04] <ratrace> sadtaco: the journalctl(1) manpage has more info on how to use the systemd journal.
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• 440[02:47:50] <sadtaco> okay. Thanks. I do have to figure out why it was getting so full, too, though. All this `ip-10-0-0-7 dhclient[302]: DHCPACK of 10.0.0.7` from `10.0.0.1 and ip-10-0-0-7 dhclient[302]: DHCPDECLINE on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67` spam
• 441[02:47:56] <sadtaco> it's a problem that seems to come and go every few weeks
• 442[02:48:35] <sadtaco> oh i found an AWS related one but no resolution replaced-url
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• 446[02:51:33] <dsc_> lwp: thanks, that worked
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• 467[03:12:40] <ritmo> Hey all!
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• 480[03:22:57] <dvs> y'all?
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• 483[03:23:39] <ectospasm> The plural of "y'all" is "all y'all"
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• 488[03:28:37] <sadtaco> should GRUB be installed on partition or not? /dev/nvme0n1 vs /dev/nvme0n1p1
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• 493[03:33:30] <dvs> sadtaco, GRUB can be installed on a partition but it is usually installed to the disk
• 494[03:34:01] <sadtaco> so /dev/nvme0n1 just to be super clear?
• 495[03:34:08] <sadtaco> I know p1 is partition.
• 496[03:34:16] <sadtaco> i assume the non-p1 is just "disk"
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• 498[03:35:21] <Quantium> Hi, How about I take you on a great trip? you are invited to the "irc Quakenet Org", a seamless irc server! We've been waiting.... :) #philosophy #Frenode
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• 501[03:37:15] <dvs> sadtaco, yes, that's correct.
• 502[03:37:32] <sadtaco> tyvm
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• 606[04:52:53] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Which bit of hardware on this following is my usb antenna for wireless connecting: replaced-url
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• 661[05:26:13] <al3xandr0s> Lady_Aleena, replaced-url
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• 663[05:26:56] <Lady_Aleena> al3xandr0s, thank you. I missed it.
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• 669[05:31:05] <al3xandr0s> Lady_Aleena,
• 670[05:31:12] <al3xandr0s> if you are wired
• 671[05:32:07] <al3xandr0s> and unpluged the cable see in your environment were is the wifi and turn it on
• 672[05:32:31] <al3xandr0s> you will see a list of wifi connections
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• 674[05:33:20] <Lady_Aleena> So, I have to unplug from the modem/router first? I can't just switch?
• 675[05:34:21] <al3xandr0s> from pc but you can do both
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• 677[05:34:33] <al3xandr0s> any you like
• 678[05:34:40] <Lady_Aleena> Be both wired and wireless at the same time?
• 679[05:35:14] <al3xandr0s> unplug from the pc
• 680[05:35:20] <al3xandr0s> the cable
• 681[05:35:22] <al3xandr0s> ok ?
• 682[05:35:50] <al3xandr0s> and then searche your desktop environment were is the wifi settings
• 683[05:35:59] <al3xandr0s> adn turn on
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• 685[05:36:03] <al3xandr0s> and*
• 686[05:36:11] <Lady_Aleena> Before I do that, where in my environment would I look? I'm on Debian 10 with XFCE.
• 687[05:36:38] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a command line program I need to run a gui think I should look at?
• 688[05:36:56] <Lady_Aleena> s/think/thing/;
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• 690[05:37:20] <al3xandr0s> right up corner
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• 692[05:37:41] <al3xandr0s> enable networking
• 693[05:37:55] <al3xandr0s> i think sooo
• 694[05:38:33] <Lady_Aleena> When you say "right up corner", do you mean on the desktop in xfce?
• 695[05:38:56] <al3xandr0s> If you have a notification area in the panel it should show up. Make sure you have network-manager-applet installed and it should show in your notification area/systray. Click on the icon and you should see the assorted options.
• 696[05:38:59] <al3xandr0s> yes
• 697[05:39:45] <karlpinc> Lady_Aleena: This assumes you are using network manager. You may be using /etc/network/interfaces. They do not play nicely together in my experience.
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• 699[05:40:36] <Lady_Aleena> This is my desktop with everything minimized: replaced-url
• 700[05:40:55] <ryouma> oh good glad i purged it then. i did not understand it and it seemed not needed.
• 701[05:41:20] <Lady_Aleena> karlpinc, how do I know which one I am using?
• 702[05:41:52] <al3xandr0s> yeap i had wgong about the xfce
• 703[05:41:56] <al3xandr0s> sorry
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• 706[05:42:20] <Lady_Aleena> By the way, I haven't dealt with this since I got Debian several years ago. The internet just worked.
• 707[05:43:23] <Lady_Aleena> So, whatever Wheezy did all those many moons ago just got upgraded from release to release.
• 708[05:43:52] <al3xandr0s> i suggest you to install mate or gnome env
• 709[05:44:06] <Lady_Aleena> al3xandr0s, why?
• 710[05:44:16] <al3xandr0s> xfce it was always diff..
• 711[05:44:43] <Lady_Aleena> Other than a few teeny things, xfce is all I need.
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• 713[05:45:06] <al3xandr0s> whatever you like
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• 715[05:45:40] <Lady_Aleena> All I need is a way to work in gui. I left KDE because it was too bulky.
• 716[05:45:43] <al3xandr0s> i never like it xfce
• 717[05:46:26] <Lady_Aleena> So, how do I know how my network is being managed?
• 718[05:48:15] <al3xandr0s> try this
• 719[05:48:20] <al3xandr0s> replaced-url
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• 723[05:49:38] <Lady_Aleena> I already had the up-to-date version of wpasupplicant.
• 724[05:50:18] <Lady_Aleena> So, what do the last two commands do?
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• 727[05:51:33] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, what's the issue?
• 728[05:52:18] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, just trying to understand how Debian and wireless internet work. I want to see if I can connect to my network with my antenna.
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• 730[05:53:10] <Lady_Aleena> I am not sure what the two ifconfig commands do in al3xandr0s's paste.
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• 732[05:54:11] <diogenes_> it works the same as everywhere, all interfaces and available network are displaied in nm-applet.
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• 734[05:55:00] <al3xandr0s> she can't find in xfce the wifi setting to connect the pc
• 735[05:56:05] <diogenes_> in nm-applet right click > edit connections.
• 736[05:56:28] <diogenes_> or run: nm-connection-editor
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• 738[05:56:53] <al3xandr0s> ελληνας?
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• 741[05:57:39] <diogenes_> al3xandr0s, maybe in 335 BC but not now )
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• 746[05:58:10] <al3xandr0s> xaxaxax but you understand me
• 747[05:58:22] <al3xandr0s> you hide somethin
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• 749[05:59:16] <Lady_Aleena> nm-connection-editor not found
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• 751[05:59:43] <Lady_Aleena> nm-applet not found
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• 753[06:00:10] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, then you're missing network-manager package.
• 754[06:00:25] <al3xandr0s> sudo apt install netowork-manager
• 755[06:00:33] <al3xandr0s> network*
• 756[06:00:50] <Lady_Aleena> network-manager is already the newest version (1.14.6-2+deb10u1).
• 757[06:01:16] <Lady_Aleena> bash network-manager: command not found
• 758[06:01:45] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, sudo apt install network-manager network-manager-gnome network-manager-openconnect network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-pptp network-manager-vpnc
• 759[06:02:01] <ansimita> nmcli replaced-url
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• 761[06:03:58] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, done
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• 763[06:04:21] <al3xandr0s> bravo
• 764[06:04:24] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, now run: nm-applet
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• 766[06:05:56] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, running
• 767[06:06:38] <diogenes_> now you should see the network icon on the panel.
• 768[06:06:50] <Lady_Aleena> So, I was looking in the wrong place for it. I wasn't thinking about the taskbar panels.
• 769[06:07:12] <somiaj> I personally use wpa_supplicant, and wpa_gui for a minimial gui tool for wirless. I setup up wpa_supplicant in roam moad using the interfaces file as per the docs in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant
• 770[06:07:37] <Lady_Aleena> Dammit, I think I entered the wrong password. Where is that stored?
• 771[06:07:57] <al3xandr0s> under the router
• 772[06:08:10] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, nm-connection-editor
• 773[06:08:58] <diogenes_> double click on a network.
• 774[06:09:54] <diogenes_> Wi-Fi Security tab.
• 775[06:11:30] <Lady_Aleena> Still trying to connect.
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• 777[06:12:19] <diogenes_> you may want to reboot the router.
• 778[06:12:34] <Lady_Aleena> I could give that a whirl.
• 779[06:12:43] <Lady_Aleena> BRB
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• 781[06:15:26] <diogenes_> sometimes they store some cache that might prevent some devices to connect, i personally had this issue when all the devices but 1 PC could connect so after rebooted the router, all was fine.
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• 785[06:17:31] <diogenes_> also if working with nm, comment out everything in cat /etc/network/interfaces and: sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager
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• 798[06:31:32] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I can't get it connect to my router or the xfinity connection either.
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• 843[06:56:26] <PcapMav> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER PcapMav bwhxkzdtsyqb
• 844[06:56:43] <Lady_Aleena> Well, it looks like I will have to rearrange my office. I was hoping the wifi would work so that I could print using the wifi in the printer. It looks like I will also need to find a printer cable at least 10' long. *sighs*
• 845[06:56:44] <al3xandr0s> dude
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• 847[06:57:38] <al3xandr0s> Lady_Aleena, replaced-url
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• 849[06:58:30] <Lady_Aleena> al3xandr0s, I can't connect to the printer over wifi if the computer is connected to the router via Ethernet.
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• 851[06:59:11] <al3xandr0s> but before you solved it
• 852[06:59:14] <Lady_Aleena> Or just get a disposable printer (a really cheap one).
• 853[07:00:19] <Lady_Aleena> al3xandr0s, I never got the printer to work with this computer over wifi. This is the first time I tried to connect this computer to my router over wifi. The wifi is NOT connecting. So, without this computer on wifi, I will not be able to use that printer.
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• 855[07:01:02] <al3xandr0s> thats why i send you the link
• 856[07:01:07] <al3xandr0s> to see the cups
• 857[07:01:16] <Lady_Aleena> I have cups.
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• 860[07:01:24] <Lady_Aleena> cups didn't help.
• 861[07:02:06] <al3xandr0s> can you see it in the wifi list ?
• 862[07:02:17] <Lady_Aleena> al3xandr0s, my router?
• 863[07:02:28] <al3xandr0s> the printer
• 864[07:04:47] <Lady_Aleena> I see it.
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• 866[07:05:23] <al3xandr0s> connect
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• 870[07:06:56] <Lady_Aleena> Where? replaced-url
• 871[07:07:47] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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• 875[07:10:00] <Lady_Aleena> I just tried sending it a test page, it did not print it.
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• 913[07:38:00] <autopsy> Hey guys.... my DVDRW won't stop trying to read a DVDRW and DVD+R disc that is new that I put in the USB DVDRW drive it is a USB drive on a HUB a 4 port unpowered hub, does anybody have any troubleshooting tops they can spit at me?
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• 970[07:57:54] <Lady_Aleena> Where are the error logs for the network manager applet in xfce?
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• 973[08:05:35] <Lady_Aleena> Got them.
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• 987[08:20:26] <geekPanther> How can I check if I encrypted my filesystem and swap partition? I dont remember setting up a encrypted partion(Maybe I did) on the installation of kali. I checked my /etc/crypttab and it prompts me `sda5_crypt UUID= ......... none luks,discard` And I $lsblk and both my home dir and swap partion are inside of `sda5_crypt` which is of type `crypt` and the children(home and swap) are lvm. Is my home dir
• 988[08:20:32] <geekPanther> and `swap` partion encrypted?
• 989[08:20:35] <geekPanther> Can anyone please look into this?
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• 1005[08:31:27] <jpw> geekPanther: yes it can in several ways
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• 1009[08:34:00] <jpw> most commonly it is part of an LVM vg group that is encrypted. however it is also possible to set up the swap partition with an ephemeral key that is generated at boot.
• 1010[08:34:07] <jpw> also !kali
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• 1081[09:21:42] <coronocturnal> Bonjour
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• 1173[10:30:49] <donnib> 9210
• 1174[10:30:59] <donnib> hi
• 1175[10:31:11] <donnib> I am following replaced-url
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• 1177[10:31:29] <donnib> and i have changed fstab file but on reboot the nfs share is not mounted
• 1178[10:31:40] <donnib> but mount /var/myfolder works
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• 1180[10:31:52] <sonjah> hi, im getting command not found: cryptsetup even though its installed, any idea why?
• 1181[10:35:02] <sonjah> oh apparently just doing su isnt good enough
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• 1199[10:45:48] <ratrace> sonjah: you need full path, or use su -l (full login) or sudo.
• 1200[10:45:54] <ratrace> !buster su
• 1201[10:45:54] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 1204[10:46:39] <ratrace> sonjah: in that /usr/sbin is no longer in unpriv user's PATH
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• 1206[10:47:32] <sonjah> yeah noticed that had to do su -
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• 1210[10:50:10] <mms_> hi I creaed boot usb using network boot image of debian 10 iso. pc shows initial screen and as I choose graphic install it goes to next screen where things are not showing at all well like blurred think lines only
• 1211[10:50:58] <mms_> I have amd cpu so I choose amd iso
• 1212[10:52:02] <diogenes_> mms_, what amd iso?
• 1213[10:52:05] <mms_> I meant blurred thick lines
• 1214[10:52:38] <mms_> diogenes_: debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst (1)
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• 1218[10:52:58] <mms_> diogenes_: network install iso
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• 1220[10:53:09] <diogenes_> mms_, and is there debian-10.1.0-intel64-netinst
• 1221[10:53:12] <mms_> some 343040 kb
• 1222[10:53:19] <mms_> let me check
• 1223[10:53:53] <diogenes_> mms_, amd64 only indicates that it's a 64 bit iso and has nothing to do with amd COUs.
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• 1225[10:54:02] <mms_> there is i386
• 1226[10:54:06] <diogenes_> CPUs*
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• 1229[10:54:21] <mms_> replaced-url
• 1230[10:54:23] <diogenes_> i386 means that it's 32bit iso.
• 1231[10:54:31] <mms_> ok
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• 1233[10:54:44] <mms_> then amd64 is what I choose
• 1234[10:55:40] <mms_> diogenes_: I shared you correct I guess
• 1235[10:55:45] <mms_> its amd64
• 1236[10:55:50] <ratrace> amd64 = x86_64 and not specifically AMD (vs Intel) CPU. i386 = x86_32 and not spcificyll Intel (vs AMD) CPU.
• 1237[10:56:04] <ratrace> *specifically
• 1238[10:56:08] <diogenes_> mms_, i'd suggest to pick a live iso and boot live then install it from the little shortcud on the desktop.
• 1239[10:56:21] <ratrace> stupid naming, instead of using just plain x86_64 or _32 but there it is.
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• 1242[10:56:58] <mms_> ok
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• 1247[10:57:37] <ratrace> mms_: how old is that computer, or the GPU? maybe you just need a newer kernel or firmaware. there's ISO with preloaded non-free firmware, or you can install in text mode and then install required packages after that.
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• 1251[10:58:10] <diogenes_> mms_, pick one of these: replaced-url
• 1252[10:59:00] <ratrace> why forcing the live ISO? does it have a different kernel or firmware from non-live ISOs?
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• 1255[10:59:23] <mms_> diogenes_: how about one from replaced-url
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• 1258[11:00:05] <diogenes_> ratrace, because new users?
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• 1260[11:00:13] <diogenes_> and live is always easier.
• 1261[11:00:14] <ratrace> I can't parse that sentence. Use a verb pls.
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• 1263[11:00:54] <mms_> mine was quite small
• 1264[11:00:56] <ratrace> it's the very same installer software, just in a preloaded desktop env.
• 1265[11:00:58] <diogenes_> ratrace, did i force anything? i suggested, the choice is theirs.
• 1266[11:01:05] <diogenes_> and nope
• 1267[11:01:07] <mms_> diogenes_: mine was quite samll
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• 1270[11:01:22] <diogenes_> ratrace, the live iso has a different installer, calamares.
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• 1281[11:04:12] <ratrace> Well, being seemingly a problem with graphical mode, I wonder if live is gonna start at all.
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• 1298[11:04:50] <ratrace> in that the hardware probably requires a newer kernel (amdgpu modules more specifically) or firmware.
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• 1301[11:05:11] <diogenes_> that's why i suggested the firmware iso which should start because it includes non-free firmware.
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• 1303[11:05:30] <mms_> ok please paste again
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• 1305[11:05:49] <diogenes_> paste what?
• 1306[11:05:53] <mms_> link
• 1307[11:06:08] <mms_> I do not know how to see old messages
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• 1310[11:06:18] <mms_> scroll up is not showing them
• 1311[11:06:28] <diogenes_> replaced-url
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• 1314[11:07:10] <mms_> I will need to install bittorrent ?
• 1315[11:07:16] <mms_> its torrent file
• 1316[11:07:33] <diogenes_> mms_, ok wait i will give you direct iso with no torrent.
• 1317[11:08:16] <diogenes_> here: replaced-url
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• 1320[11:09:03] <mms_> its 2.8G
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• 1323[11:09:43] <mms_> diogenes_: replaced-url
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• 1325[11:09:45] <diogenes_> not that big comparing to win which is 7GB.
• 1326[11:10:09] <mms_> ok I am already downloading debian-live which is 2.4
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• 1329[11:10:30] <mms_> replaced-url
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• 1331[11:10:48] <ratrace> the firmware netinst is available as well.
• 1332[11:10:51] <ratrace> !firmware iso
• 1333[11:10:51] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 1334[11:11:00] <mms_> when I use rufus to copy to usb I choose MBR and BIOS+UEFI right ?
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• 1337[11:11:17] <mms_> its also has GPT I think
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• 1339[11:11:33] <ratrace> mms_: neither, the ISO is a hybrid, full bitwise image that must start from sector 0
• 1340[11:11:54] <diogenes_> and i wouldn't suggest rufus, it might spoil your installation.
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• 1342[11:12:15] <mms_> ratrace: rufus has two options and seems to create disk what other program ?
• 1343[11:12:27] <diogenes_> i guess the recommended is win32imagewriter (or something like that)
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• 1345[11:12:51] <ratrace> I think there was a windd or something like that, recommended a few times too
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• 1353[11:19:21] <abckb__> With Debian 10 + Xfce + SSD my computer is ready to go in 2 seconds :D
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• 1360[11:21:59] <abckb__> ^ thats a 5 year old thinkpad with Intel i3. Just replaced the faulty HDD with an SSD and Ubuntu 16 with Debian 10.2 :)
• 1361[11:22:04] <ratrace> sounds too fast. something's wrong then. :)
• 1362[11:22:57] <abckb__> ratrace: ok, about 3-4 seconds (I am a bit over enthusiastic ;) )
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• 1417[12:05:26] <fredl> hi folks. I'm hunting for an issue with my networking, it is very probably not specific to Debian but as I run mostly Debian this would be my first and probably best guess :)
• 1418[12:05:50] <fredl> I have created a floating IP between two hosts using keepalived
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• 1422[12:06:32] <fredl> Internally... it seems to work fantastic, no problem whatsoever that I'm aware of
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• 1424[12:07:13] <fredl> the floating IP has its own RFC compliant MAC address different from the physical interface (which is in fact a VMWare virtual interface that may obscure it a bit further)
• 1425[12:07:29] <fredl> So with 'ip a' I see:
• 1426[12:07:39] <fredl> 3: vrrp.15@ens192: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
• 1427[12:07:39] <fredl> link/ether 00:00:5e:00:01:0f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
• 1428[12:08:17] <fredl> while ens192 is obviously the 'physical' interface, vrrp.15@ens192 the floating IP's interface
• 1429[12:08:57] <fredl> A very simple, I hope, first question; When I do tcpdump -i vrrp.15... I DO also see traffic from ens192!
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• 1431[12:09:17] <fredl> How is that possible?
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• 1436[12:13:36] <fredl> Hmm, I stand corrected, seems I'm wrong
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• 1457[12:25:49] <petn-randall> Glad we could help you with rubberducking ;)
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• 1466[12:38:43] <fredl> well no... LOL
• 1467[12:38:57] <fredl> that was just a first observation
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• 1469[12:39:06] <joepublic> the duck never lies
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• 1472[12:39:24] <fredl> I still see things going on I don't understand and which seem fairly unpredictable
• 1473[12:39:39] <fredl> But I should make a little drawing really...
• 1474[12:40:13] <bern> fredl: is the output better if you add the "-p" flag to tcpdump?
• 1475[12:40:39] <fredl> It's just that as soon as I try troubleshooting this issue it seems to be affecting my entire network as at the moment the external access to the loadbalancer is restored, it seems the internal connections are faulting
• 1476[12:41:33] <fredl> bern, oh no-promiscuous mode, yeah that might improve things I guess
• 1477[12:42:03] <fredl> But I already tried narrowing down my tcpdump filter before that and saw exactly what I expected to see
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• 1484[12:48:18] <fredl> argh
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• 1486[12:48:49] <fredl> I'm just so near-certain it's a bug somehow in this plastic router (Fritzbox)
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• 1488[12:49:44] <fredl> But 'near' and not 'positive' as I also see problems in the LAN but can't predict them so well
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• 1490[12:50:29] <fredl> may also still be a vmware issue tho
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• 1493[12:51:19] <fredl> so right now I have the following situation. The floating IP is up. I'm sniffing it with root@janus:~# tcpdump -p -i vrrp.15 host 192.168.178.2
• 1494[12:51:26] <lwp> !rufus
• 1495[12:51:26] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1496[12:51:36] <lwp> mms: ^^^^ use DD mode
• 1497[12:51:37] <fredl> BTW, janus being the host that has the floating IP right now
• 1498[12:51:55] <fredl> from 192.168.178.2 I ping the floating IP
• 1499[12:52:10] <fredl> but see nothing coming in in the tcpdump
• 1500[12:52:58] <fredl> when I sniff promiscuously on the physical interface, it DOES come in
• 1501[12:53:11] <fredl> but somehow the vrrp interface doesn't get it
• 1502[12:53:31] <fredl> I'm not familiar enough with the vrrp device to see what could affect this
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• 1505[12:55:00] <lwp> mms_: ^^^^
• 1506[12:55:10] <fredl> However the following 'fixes' that situation: use ping -c 5 -I vrrp.15 192.168.178.2 on the floating IP machine
• 1507[12:55:28] <fredl> and that just baffles me a bit
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• 1509[12:56:15] <fredl> IT's almost like there may be some sneaky bug in the vrrp device
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• 1511[12:56:52] <fredl> but it's not so uncommon in the linux world to use that that it wouldn't have been long noticed
• 1512[12:58:03] <fredl> routing... routing... routing Hrmmm
• 1513[12:58:44] <fredl> On the loadbalancer I have just added a cron script that pings the remote site (192.168.128.0, eg. a vpnc IP) every minute
• 1514[12:59:01] <fredl> And it seems every minute the internal reachability goes down
• 1515[12:59:14] <fredl> su fucking puzzled by this
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• 1517[13:00:32] <fredl> its like one connection cannot live with the other
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• 1519[13:02:27] <fredl> Okay I need an infusion of Civilization V to ease my mind
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• 1526[13:06:03] <fredl> gratuitous ARP should only occur when floating IP switches host, correct?
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• 1557[13:29:47] <FIlystyn> hello
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• 1559[13:30:17] <FIlystyn> I have debian system on separate machine with broken ethernet cable
• 1560[13:30:45] <FIlystyn> I want to set up wifi I have insatlled debian with xfce
• 1561[13:30:58] <FIlystyn> ifconfig / ipconfig does not work
• 1562[13:31:09] <FIlystyn> seems not used anymore
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• 1564[13:31:19] <derpadmin> ip a
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• 1566[13:31:25] <derpadmin> *ip address
• 1567[13:31:49] <FIlystyn> what does it mean ?
• 1568[13:31:53] <FIlystyn> ip address
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• 1570[13:32:13] <FIlystyn> Ok i see command
• 1571[13:32:28] <FIlystyn> I need to add wifi interface
• 1572[13:32:38] <FIlystyn> I never did something like that on debian
• 1573[13:32:58] <FIlystyn> Also probably I need to install manually drives for wifi
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• 1577[13:33:26] <derpadmin> depends, does "ip address" shows the wifi interface?
• 1578[13:33:43] <derpadmin> if not, yes, you may need a driver
• 1579[13:34:10] <FIlystyn> It does not show wifi
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• 1581[13:34:28] <FIlystyn> Only loopback and enp
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• 1584[13:35:48] <FIlystyn> Intell Wireless-AC 3165
• 1585[13:36:16] <FIlystyn> Is there way to get from net simply package for dpkg ?
• 1586[13:36:19] <FIlystyn> For this
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• 1588[13:36:29] <FIlystyn> I belive it's the way I should set it up
• 1589[13:36:33] <dvs> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
• 1590[13:36:34] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2
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• 1599[13:39:18] <FIlystyn> debian 10 is buster ? dvs not sure how to interpretate your ans
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• 1601[13:39:46] <FIlystyn> your telling me versions for sys ?
• 1602[13:39:50] <FIlystyn> of the packet
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• 1604[13:40:28] <dvs> buster/non-free: 20190114-2 is for buster
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• 1606[13:41:52] <FIlystyn> Ok i got the packet
• 1607[13:41:53] <FIlystyn> thx
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• 1610[13:43:19] <FIlystyn> dvs if i get all architecture packet will it handle or need I do some additional things for amd64
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• 1613[13:46:26] <dvs> FIlystyn, that package is for all architectures so there's no need to do anything "special" or any architecture.
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• 1615[13:47:42] <FIlystyn> ok
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• 1728[14:46:12] <FIlystyn> ok i got the package on my system
• 1729[14:46:17] <FIlystyn> How do I install
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• 1731[14:46:26] <FIlystyn> dpkg file..deb
• 1732[14:46:26] <dpkg> FIlystyn: no idea
• 1733[14:46:39] <FIlystyn> was there some option to specifie ?
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• 1735[14:47:11] <FIlystyn> dpkg -i program.deb ?
• 1736[14:47:11] <dpkg> package program.deb is already installed
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• 1776[15:07:48] <jhutchins_wk> FIlystyn: There is a manpage for dpkg,
• 1777[15:09:10] <FIlystyn> yeah
• 1778[15:09:42] <FIlystyn> there is also manpage for manpages
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• 1785[15:12:33] <ice9> I need to upgrade php composer, do i have to uninstalled the installed one first?
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• 1793[15:16:35] <jhutchins_wk> ice9: Are you using Debian packages?
• 1794[15:17:04] <ice9> jhutchins_wk, yes
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• 1796[15:18:15] <ice9> jhutchins_wk, it's version 1.2.2, should i remove it and install the latest version manually as described on the site?
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• 1811[15:22:43] <ksk> ice9: compose is a single binary if I remember correctyl, so it would not really matter in that case.
• 1812[15:23:00] <ksk> but sure, if you do not plan on using that debian composer anymore, why not remove it.
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• 1838[15:37:29] <mms_> my usb booting shows main menu and then install will show screen with no proper display like thick blurred horizontal lines only. is there some setting in bios for display for making the network boot or debian live to progress well
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• 1859[15:51:26] <jelly> mms_: see if the "unofficial" images with firmware work any better or any different.
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• 1861[15:51:29] <jelly> !firmware images
• 1862[15:51:29] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 1864[15:52:43] <tinga> I've got a problem (on oldstable) that for a week or something now, X (Xfce?) generates some open context menu action when left clicking. It appears to be rate dependent: if I click left mouse button a lot within a short time then it increases the chances of opening the context menu lots (can go up to 100%).
• 1865[15:53:00] <tinga> This is independent of app, happens in e.g. both Hexchat and Firefox.
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• 1867[15:53:33] <tinga> (I was asking yesterday already about this; I now know better that it's app independent and have noticed it being click rate dependent.)
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• 1870[15:54:44] <tinga> (Interesting also that the open context menu behaviour remains activated for minutes(+?) after a heavy left click session.)
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• 1882[15:58:20] <tinga> (Hmm. I just wondered whether it's because of xwrits. Might it be an Xfce bug that when its Window Menu shows a notification because of xwrits reminding me to take a break, and I click after this, it messes up some X state?)
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• 1888[16:00:54] <tinga> I had recently changed, in Xfce's settings -> Window Manager Tweaks -> Focus -> When a window raises itself: [Bring window on current workspace] to [Do nothing]; I've changed that back now, will see.
• 1889[16:01:03] <EdePopede> tinga: did you try with xev or so if maybe right clicks get actually created sometimes?
• 1890[16:02:11] <tinga> xev always reports button 1 (but I did kill xwrits now, let me try again with it running.)
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• 1892[16:04:13] <tinga> (Still always button 1 with xwrits running again. But currently I can't reproduce the right clicks again, will have to wait until it shows up again. I haven't been able to purposefully create a session where it happens;
• 1893[16:04:39] <tinga> it's just that it always seems to come up after I've done a heavy left-click session. Might be when xwrits actually triggers to call me to take a break.)
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• 1895[16:08:20] <tinga> (Xfce already has a bug with notifications sometimes not going away from its Window Menu; this makes me thing this one could be related.)
• 1896[16:08:31] <tinga> *think
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• 1903[16:12:44] <EdePopede> ,info xwrits
• 1904[16:12:46] <judd> Package xwrits (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: reminds you to take a break from typing. Version: 2.21-6.1+b2; Size: 90.8k; Installed: 157k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1905[16:13:20] <EdePopede> [info] at least hexchat takes the semicolon as part of the url braking the redirect to *xwrits/
• 1906[16:13:41] <EdePopede> heavy left-click session <-- FPS user? ;)
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• 1908[16:14:16] <jelly> my hexchat thinks ; is part of the URL
• 1909[16:14:17] <tinga> No, copy-pasting from webpages.
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• 1912[16:16:18] <tinga> Like, copying the text from twitter threads: triple left click on each tweet, middle click into Emacs, repeat, then midway through the thread it starts popping up the context menu each time I click which means I can't triple-click anymore (the popup interrupts the clicks from adding up to being triples).
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• 1914[16:16:41] <tinga> But alas, again, I can't reproduce it when I want.
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• 1916[16:17:28] <EdePopede> also got some event problems sometimes, mostly if not all (i don't use too many GUI or even Gtk/Gnome based programs) in firefox under xfce. like clicking on tabs sometimes puts them into their own window (as with drag&dro). may be related to high load and lag at that moment.
• 1917[16:18:18] <greycat> firefox (or chrome) tabs can become windows if you drag them slightly away from the tab bar. You probably accidentally moved the mouse while clicking.
• 1918[16:18:42] <greycat> You can reverse the process, and move the window back to the tab bar.
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• 1920[16:18:59] <EdePopede> demonstration effect. i'm sure it even happened when the first pre-human using a bat to smash a skull wanted to show his mates what he just had discovered (see the cut scenes from 2001)
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• 1923[16:19:54] <EdePopede> greycat: i press, release, move away the mouse. may be i've moved it during the click period some pixels (i should check the tolerance)
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• 1925[16:20:43] <EdePopede> but i've also noticed issues with its file saving dialog. like when i want to add a timestamp to the name $day_$time it becomes $day$time_ sometimes.
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• 1928[16:21:14] <Naibed> Hello everyone!
• 1929[16:21:40] <EdePopede> i'm pretty horrible with FPS when i have to bee too exact at aiming. same applies for GUIs :)
• 1930[16:21:54] <Naibed> I just had my Debian make some troubles for the first time ever and could really need some help.
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• 1932[16:23:34] <EdePopede> Naibed: then i hope you didn't just start using debian ;)
• 1933[16:23:53] <tinga> Naibed, you should just describe your problem
• 1934[16:23:56] <Naibed> No i used it for the last 5months or so
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• 1936[16:24:16] <Naibed> Maybe a bit longer.. But im still a newbie
• 1937[16:24:21] <Naibed> replaced-url
• 1938[16:24:34] <Naibed> Here is a picture of my boot screen!
• 1939[16:25:08] <Naibed> Basically, my battery ran out and when i rebooted, it tell me "Failed to mount /mnt/windows"
• 1940[16:25:25] <Naibed> And "Dependency failed for Local File Systems"
• 1941[16:26:08] <Naibed> at the bottom "Cannot open access to Console, the root account is locked. See sulogin(8) man page got more details."
• 1942[16:26:43] <Naibed> "Press enter to continue" But .. it's literally the only thing i can do right now. Press enter and then it says;
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• 1945[16:27:19] <EdePopede> you don't have a password for root, using sudo instead?
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• 1949[16:27:37] <Naibed> I have the cryptsetup thing
• 1950[16:28:01] <Naibed> Password is correct when i enter as u can see in the screenshot i posted
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• 1956[16:29:30] <tinga> Presumably you're mounting your old windows partition on /mnt/windows ? Presumably NTFS? IIRC, if NTFS is shut down unclean (from Windows, though?) then you can't mount it read-write on Linux.
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• 1958[16:29:56] <Naibed> I had a Windows USB connected yesterday
• 1959[16:30:02] <tinga> (And have to run Windows with it first. But I rarely have to do anything with Windows and it's been a long time ago.)
• 1960[16:30:12] <Naibed> There is no win partition installed
• 1961[16:30:37] <Naibed> But i edited something in a text file because i couldnt write to my NTFS disk
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• 1963[16:31:07] <tinga> This is a normal boot, not coming back from hibernation I think (might be worthwhile to confirm). So, shouldn't matter that you had Windows USB connected.
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• 1966[16:31:27] <tinga> Naibed, yep, that will probably be it.
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• 1968[16:31:34] <Naibed> No my laptop ran out of battey over night. i closed the lid before
• 1969[16:31:36] <tinga> /etc/fstab presumably
• 1970[16:31:49] <tinga> Aha, so it was in RAM sleep but ran out.
• 1971[16:31:55] <Naibed> yes!
• 1972[16:32:07] <Naibed> etc/fstab i edited thank u!
• 1973[16:32:22] <tinga> What you can do is, when booting, interrupt when it's in grub (the bootloader where you can choose which OS to boot).
• 1974[16:32:22] <EdePopede> Naibed: ah, you posted that /etc/fstab line for the ntfs entry? you may want to add 'noauto' as an option later
• 1975[16:32:38] <tinga> yep, exactly
• 1976[16:33:07] <EdePopede> maybe init=/bin/sh appended to the grub command line may help to get a shell firts
• 1977[16:33:16] <tinga> (Some distros now require you to hold down the left (not right!) shift key while booting for grub to show up, dunno about newest Debian.)
• 1978[16:33:37] <greycat> Definitely not required by Debian.
• 1979[16:33:41] <tinga> I wanted to suggest exactly what EdePopede says (well, init=/bin/bash )
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• 1982[16:34:45] <Naibed> Ok since im really a noob. I don't know exactly what to do now. A d thanks everyone for helping me rn!!
• 1983[16:34:52] <tinga> Naibed, so, once grub shows up, press the "e" key (for "edit"). Then navigate to the line that mentions the linux command line; add the init=/bin/bash in there. Hit ctl-x or whatever it was that grub tells you to press to continue.
• 1984[16:35:34] <tinga> It will then boot to a shell prompt. Once there, you can open a command line editor on the fstab file and add the "noauto" there.
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• 1987[16:36:09] <tinga> E.g. "vi /etc/fstab", then we'll probably have to help you how to use vi
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• 1990[16:36:38] <EdePopede> maybe something not needing weird keys. nano or mcedit or so may be easier for a (self-declared) noob
• 1991[16:36:56] <tinga> EdePopede, if you can help with that, fine; I know vi, not the others.
• 1992[16:37:17] <EdePopede> tinga: good, so you're on the right track already ;)
• 1993[16:37:21] <greycat> nano is the go-to choice when suggesting someone edit a file, and you're not sure they've ever used an editor
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• 1995[16:37:28] <Naibed> Wow please don't be mad at me but how to i enter GRUB menu?
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• 1997[16:37:42] <Naibed> When i start i press shift long?
• 1998[16:37:52] <tinga> Naibed, EdePopede said you don't need to press shift
• 1999[16:37:57] <EdePopede> it should appear with the selection of what you can boot
• 2000[16:38:21] <EdePopede> iirc the default timeout is 10 secs?
• 2001[16:38:53] <Naibed> Have an x220, so thinkvantag button -> startup interrup menu -> choose tenporary startupdevice
• 2002[16:38:56] <tinga> Naibed, you just reboot the PC, wait till you see a screen that mentions "grub" somewhere IIRC, and has horizontal lines; you can hit cursor up or down to navigate between those lines, but really you just need to hit "e" on the first line
• 2003[16:39:02] <Naibed> When im there i cant press E for edit tho
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• 2005[16:39:15] <tinga> Naibed, don't hit adv button
• 2006[16:39:28] <tinga> just let it boot; this is not a BIOS thing, but the first stage of Linux booting.
• 2007[16:39:57] <greycat> default is 5 seconds in Debian, I think
• 2008[16:40:30] <tinga> Naibed, yes, you need to hit the "e" key within the 5 second time frame between the grub screen showing up and grub continuing on its way.
• 2009[16:40:40] <Naibed> When i do nothing and just let it boot i get the "Please hnlock disk sda5_crypt:"
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• 2011[16:40:51] <Naibed> ahhh ok mom
• 2012[16:40:59] <tinga> Naibed, that's when you missed the time window.
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• 2015[16:41:54] <Naibed> Damn, i always end up at rhe
• 2016[16:41:59] <EdePopede> moving the cursor around stops the countdown. even before it gets to "1" ;)
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• 2019[16:42:08] <Naibed> Screen to enter pass word
• 2020[16:42:44] <tinga> Maybe you actually do need to press the left shift key for grub to show up? I'm still on oldstable.
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• 2022[16:43:52] <Naibed> trying , not there yet ://
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• 2024[16:44:28] <greycat> I don't know anything about this disk encryption stuff. Does GRUB boot directly into a thing that prompts you to unlock the disk? Before it can read the menu from the disk?
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• 2026[16:44:49] <tinga> Naibed, it should look something like this: replaced-url
• 2027[16:45:22] <tinga> closer: replaced-url
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• 2029[16:45:23] <Naibed> I see it saying "Grub loading.." But ways end up to enter my password
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• 2031[16:45:57] <Naibed> always end up*
• 2032[16:46:14] <greycat> Well, the GRUB menu has to be read from the file in /boot which, if it's encrypted, has to be decrypted first.
• 2033[16:46:19] <tinga> Puzzled, shift key *should* help then if this is anything like Linux Mint
• 2034[16:46:50] <tinga> Is encrypted /boot even possible? Never seen that.
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• 2036[16:47:36] <tinga> Naibed, maybe make a video of the boot process?
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• 2038[16:47:57] <Naibed> I can do.. mom
• 2039[16:48:01] <tinga> (Alternatives would be to boot from a Debian Live CD or something.)
• 2040[16:48:53] * tinga afk for 10'
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• 2050[16:50:46] <Naibed> replaced-url
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• 2053[16:50:54] <Naibed> here's a wetrasfer link
• 2054[16:51:10] <Naibed> 10second video from my phone
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• 2059[16:53:08] * tinga back
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• 2063[16:53:57] <Naibed> U saw it Tinga?
• 2064[16:54:41] <tinga> Cute, they gave me a different video to download because I am running an ad blocker. Let me see.
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• 2068[16:55:54] <Naibed> wow^^
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• 2070[16:56:55] <tinga> Even gives me the same video after disabling ublock origin,
• 2071[16:57:37] <tinga> not sure how to get the vid. You could try to message it to me on IRC (haven't used file transfers for a looong time though, does this still work?).
• 2072[16:58:04] <EdePopede> tinga: i only get a hoard of links, including an mp4 which seem to be pretty old according to its url
• 2073[16:58:26] <EdePopede> and youtube-dl doesn't support it :/
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• 2075[16:58:48] <Naibed> wow
• 2076[16:58:55] <Naibed> where should i upload it?
• 2077[16:59:13] <Naibed> i use kiwi webchat on my android right now
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• 2083[16:59:36] <EdePopede> what about imgur? even if they rebrand it to .webp or whatever.
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• 2086[17:00:31] <EdePopede> i know they want to make money with ads and tracking, but my experience with these fileswap sites is not too positive.
• 2087[17:00:37] <tinga> Let me create a new user account with fresh firefox settings
• 2088[17:00:52] <Naibed> kk imgur worksmom
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• 2090[17:01:45] <FIlystyn> hello
• 2091[17:02:07] <FIlystyn> Same problem I tried to dpkg -i firmaware package
• 2092[17:02:18] <Naibed> upload takes a sec
• 2093[17:02:21] <FIlystyn> and it fails because it expects two libs i do not have
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• 2095[17:03:02] <Naibed> btw u said alternative can be starting from a life debian usb, would that make it easier you think
• 2096[17:03:09] <tinga> Naibed, fyi, even with fresh firefox, same thing happens. Gettng a video with a woman in a dinosaur costume.
• 2097[17:03:09] <EdePopede> Naibed: no hectic, we're not on tiktok here ;)
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• 2099[17:03:12] <Naibed> and again thanks you so much!
• 2100[17:03:29] <EdePopede> Naibed: at least you'd have a full environment to work with
• 2101[17:03:37] <tinga> (filename being VID_20190728_120613_291.mp4)
• 2102[17:04:22] <FIlystyn> I have Well anyone
• 2103[17:04:28] <EdePopede> weird, the 2nd link i get in the list. after click: "Yikes, that page can’t be found."
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• 2105[17:04:59] <FIlystyn> I am not going to leave this like this
• 2106[17:05:05] <FIlystyn> this shit should just work
• 2107[17:05:15] <Naibed> lmfao how did this happen i have no idea but should works on imgur now
• 2108[17:05:15] <tinga> Naibed, might be easier but I haven't used Debian Live CD for like 5-10 years, don't know if it's the best currently. Other's suggestions?
• 2109[17:06:03] <Naibed> replaced-url
• 2110[17:06:06] <EdePopede> FIlystyn: install the libs at the same time or iirc apt would do this even for local packages
• 2111[17:06:12] <Naibed> this must work
• 2112[17:06:17] <FIlystyn> Ede I have no internet there
• 2113[17:06:43] <tinga> FIlystyn, what firmware package is this?
• 2114[17:06:48] <EdePopede> oh, that's. not so optimal. not where you are or not on the machine?
• 2115[17:07:39] <FIlystyn> firmware-iwlwifi
• 2116[17:07:50] <EdePopede> tinga: as long as you're able to put it to a stick (or a cd/dvd, but stick is the thing these days) it should boot right into a desktop.
• 2117[17:08:02] <tinga> sounds good
• 2118[17:08:09] <tinga> Naibed, got your video now;
• 2119[17:08:15] <jelly> !firmware live
• 2120[17:08:15] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 10 "Buster" as a live OS are available at replaced-url
• 2121[17:08:33] <EdePopede> tinga: i would recomend xfce, ran on the other pc with 4MB RAM better than installed here with just 2
• 2122[17:08:44] <jelly> oh wow, 4MB
• 2123[17:08:54] <tinga> Naibed, the messages at 28 seconds are already after grub, too late. Yes, oddly missing screen;
• 2124[17:09:00] <FIlystyn> nice helping jelly *go reinstall again*
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• 2126[17:09:23] <jelly> FIlystyn: that was for the person asking about a live image.
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• 2128[17:09:55] <Naibed> See, when i hit/spam shift it says "loading grub" but i never get to see it kinda
• 2129[17:10:06] <tinga> Naibed, try to press 'e' key after the adv button messages
• 2130[17:10:08] <Naibed> i know what screen i neee but i cant get there >.>
• 2131[17:10:09] <FIlystyn> I am far from being stable right now.
• 2132[17:10:25] <tinga> Naibed, yes, suspecting grub is set up with a 0 second delay or something;
• 2133[17:10:41] <tinga> so, try to pre-emptively press 'e'
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• 2135[17:13:29] <SerajewelKS> FIlystyn: firmware-iwlwifi doesn't have any dependencies that i can see
• 2136[17:13:33] <EdePopede> jelly: ok, GB. but i had 4MB only on my 1st PC. the info bit must still bu stuck somewhere ;)
• 2137[17:13:40] <SerajewelKS> FIlystyn: what packages is dpkg complaining about?
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• 2139[17:14:02] <jelly> ,depends firmware-iwlwifi
• 2140[17:14:03] <judd> Package firmware-iwlwifi in buster/amd64 -- depends: .
• 2141[17:14:22] <FIlystyn> It should not depend on anything
• 2142[17:14:27] <FIlystyn> in first place
• 2143[17:14:31] <SerajewelKS> it doesn't
• 2144[17:14:34] <FIlystyn> so good to hear it's not
• 2145[17:14:52] <FIlystyn> I am starting that machine will tell you in a min
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• 2148[17:15:14] <SerajewelKS> so what is dpkg complaining about exactly? i'm guessing there is some other package that was in the process of being installed and failed, and it's letting you know that your packages are still not in a consistent state.
• 2149[17:15:33] <SerajewelKS> but if the firmware package did install at least then you should be able to use your wireless card now
• 2150[17:15:59] <SerajewelKS> assuming you don't run into any of the other myriad of problems that one can encounter trying to configure wireless on linux
• 2151[17:16:20] <FIlystyn> 2 programs not found start-stop-daemon and ldconfig
• 2152[17:16:25] <FIlystyn> no linker ? wtf
• 2153[17:16:28] <greycat> !buster su
• 2154[17:16:28] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 2155[17:16:56] <Naibed> Ok i tried to restart and hit/spam E or ESC or Shift several times. never does it enter Grub menu
• 2156[17:17:14] <tinga> OK, really odd; I suggest to get the Debian Live installer image, then
• 2157[17:17:34] <FIlystyn> I used debian live
• 2158[17:17:40] <FIlystyn> xfce
• 2159[17:17:59] <tinga> FIlystyn, I meant it to Naibed, I'm not currently following your case :)
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• 2162[17:20:54] <tinga> Naibed, I'm downloading debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-xfce.iso (to run in a VM), maybe get the same
• 2163[17:21:17] * tinga off for 10'
• 2164[17:21:56] <FIlystyn> ok i fixed youf fucning dpkg crap
• 2165[17:22:05] <FIlystyn> PATH FUCKING PATH had no path for it\
• 2166[17:22:12] <FIlystyn> WHY A USER NEEDS TO FIX SHIT LIKE THIS
• 2167[17:22:21] <FIlystyn> KURWA no eksploduje zaraz
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• 2170[17:22:38] <FIlystyn> PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin
• 2171[17:22:40] <FIlystyn> GOD
• 2172[17:22:44] <greycat> !buster su
• 2173[17:22:44] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 2174[17:23:10] <Naibed> Yeah i flash it to a usb now.. might take some time >.>
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• 2178[17:25:29] <FIlystyn> that !buster su does not explain anything
• 2179[17:25:36] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2181[17:25:39] <greycat> IT SAYS GO THERE
• 2182[17:25:41] <greycat> GO THERE
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• 2189[17:28:41] <FIlystyn> after I installed the wifi firmware do I need some restart. Should not the ip address see new interface?
• 2190[17:28:46] <FIlystyn> Must I add one manualy ?
• 2191[17:30:36] * tinga back
• 2192[17:32:02] <dvs> FIlystyn, A restart would be the easiest
• 2193[17:32:09] <FIlystyn> It sees the new interface
• 2194[17:32:55] <FIlystyn> Ok now on obsd I do nwid "name" wpakey "key" \n dhcp
• 2195[17:33:02] <FIlystyn> So how do I do it on debian ;-)
• 2196[17:33:14] <FIlystyn> do we have some config files some man page to read
• 2197[17:33:16] <FIlystyn> give me a hint
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• 2200[17:33:51] <dvs> FIlystyn, replaced-url
• 2201[17:34:18] <Naibed> Guys, anyone know how to enter GRUB on a x220? it seems to skip the step always. When i hit shift it says "Loading GRUB..." but i never get ti see GRUb menu
• 2202[17:35:11] <rufe> ‏edit the grub menu from the OS
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• 2204[17:36:04] <Naibed> ? I cant access anything right now thats the problem in the first place
• 2205[17:36:10] <rufe> ‏apt install grubcustomizer
• 2206[17:36:18] <FIlystyn> Seems similar with command line. thx dvs
• 2207[17:36:31] <dvs> np
• 2208[17:36:31] <Naibed> I have a Debian install on my x220
• 2209[17:36:52] <rufe> ‏try run live debian from stick
• 2210[17:37:06] <Naibed> Ok, that's what i do right now
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• 2212[17:38:47] <Naibed> U think it's smarter to take the live installer with non free firmware?
• 2213[17:39:21] <jelly> Naibed: any live will do if you don't need internet (or have wired ethernet access)
• 2214[17:39:40] <Naibed> i don't think i need internet for this
• 2215[17:40:03] <jelly> Naibed: are you booted in live now? Can you figure out where the partition with debian / filesystem is and mount it somewhere?
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• 2219[17:40:39] <Naibed> nothing yet, need to flash it to the usb first
• 2220[17:40:52] <jelly> ah, ok.
• 2221[17:41:11] <jelly> personally I like grml.org for rescue purposes
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• 2249[17:58:43] <ShorTie> does apt delete the debs it downloads ??
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• 2253[17:59:06] <greycat> by default, yes
• 2254[17:59:17] <greycat> dpkg, apt-get vs. apt
• 2255[17:59:17] <dpkg> greycat: have you tried replaced-url
• 2256[17:59:23] <greycat> dpkg, apt vs. apt-gety
• 2257[17:59:23] <dpkg> wish i knew, greycat
• 2258[17:59:24] <greycat> dpkg, apt vs. apt-get
• 2259[17:59:25] <ShorTie> ah, Thankz
• 2260[17:59:28] <greycat> fuuuuu
• 2261[17:59:30] <greycat> dpkg, apt vs. apt-get
• 2262[17:59:30] <dpkg> apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting.
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• 2264[17:59:41] <ShorTie> been bagging my head for a day, lol.
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• 2266[18:00:08] <ShorTie> switch to keep ??
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• 2283[18:08:11] <tinga> Naibed, say when ready, I've got my live image running
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• 2285[18:08:25] <Naibed> Yep mom
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• 2288[18:09:10] <Naibed> Ok same
• 2289[18:09:28] <tinga> Have you booted it?
• 2290[18:09:36] <Naibed> Loading
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• 2294[18:11:10] <Naibed> Im in it, have a Terminal open
• 2295[18:11:24] <tinga> OK, we need root permissions first, so enter: sudo -i
• 2296[18:11:45] <Naibed> check
• 2297[18:11:50] <tinga> Then we need to mount your Linux partition; to find out where it is, run: fdisk -l
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• 2299[18:12:15] <tinga> You'll probably see which line represents it.
• 2300[18:12:29] <Naibed> ./dev/sda
• 2301[18:12:31] <tinga> /dev/sda1 or so
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• 2303[18:12:45] <tinga> You need a digit, for the partition; sda is the whole disk
• 2304[18:12:58] <tinga> It will say "Linux" as Type, not "Linux swap"
• 2305[18:13:07] <Naibed> sda1 has only 243mb
• 2306[18:13:16] <tinga> Do you have another "Linux" one?
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• 2308[18:13:40] <SM0TVI> So, I apparently have and issue with /etc/mailcap and other mime support parts having been corrupted. Can anyone point me in the right direction to find out how/if to rebuild the databases?
• 2309[18:13:46] <Naibed> sda2 and sda5 have both 230gb one is type extended and one is type Linux so i guess sda5 with type linuz
• 2310[18:13:52] <FIlystyn> still need little help where Do i put wpakey in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2312[18:14:09] <FIlystyn> The man interfaces fails for any hints
• 2313[18:14:17] <tinga> Naibed, Yep, sda5 will be it. Run: mkdir /mnt/sda5; mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5
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• 2315[18:14:32] <tinga> ^creates a folder to mount it to, and mounts it there
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• 2319[18:15:33] <hays> anyone know what i should be doing with this: # Warning: iptables-legacy tables present, use iptables-legacy-save to see them
• 2320[18:15:39] <Naibed> when i :" mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 "
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• 2322[18:15:53] <Naibed> it says unknown filesystem sype crypto_LUKS
• 2323[18:15:59] <Naibed> prolly cause it's encrypted
• 2324[18:16:00] <nkuttler> hays: run iptables-legacy-save ?
• 2325[18:16:10] <tinga> Naibed, aha, of course; OK; let me think a moment
• 2326[18:16:12] <hays> nkuttler: its basically empty
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• 2328[18:16:46] <ratrace> FIlystyn: you can use a proper wpa_supplicant.conf and then point to it with "wpa-conf" directive in interfaces(5) for the NIC
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• 2331[18:17:07] <nkuttler> hays: basically?
• 2332[18:17:24] <nkuttler> Naibed: cryptsetup luksOpen it
• 2333[18:17:26] <hays> nkuttler: default rules
• 2334[18:17:28] <FIlystyn> ok and what is wireless-mode
• 2335[18:17:36] <tinga> Naibed, enter: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 main
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• 2337[18:17:57] <tinga> nkuttler, what does that do with only "it" argument?
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• 2339[18:18:09] <FIlystyn> like master in scan but what is it ?
• 2340[18:18:29] <nkuttler> tinga: encourages people to read the man page
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• 2342[18:18:50] <tinga> OK :)
• 2343[18:18:52] <Naibed> mom will do
• 2344[18:19:27] <ratrace> FIlystyn: ?
• 2345[18:19:52] <Naibed> ok
• 2346[18:19:55] <Naibed> worked
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• 2349[18:20:14] <Naibed> mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 again ?
• 2350[18:20:22] <hays> nkuttler: do you want to see the rules? its basically a default ruleset
• 2351[18:20:26] <tinga> Naibed, now I can't verify the suggestions myself bc it's different but next try should be: mount /dev/mapper/main /mnt/sda5
• 2352[18:20:50] <terr> I have a problem configuring (manually) my WiFi interface. I cannot use pastebin because of this. So a general question. 1) ip a shows the interface: wlp2s0 DOWN. no ip address. network-manager shows the connection but I cannot try to connect... I can only edit or delete. 2) I can use my cell and tether and the computer does in fact see the offer. I can put in the password. It gives me the option to attempt a connection, which fails. Still no IP
• 2353[18:20:51] <terr> address that I know of. after that failure then I get to edit or delete. I cannot attempt to reconnect. Finally I see IPv6: link is not ready. no comment on IPv4
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• 2355[18:21:32] <Naibed> no "unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
• 2356[18:21:39] <somiaj> terr: dmesg | grep -i firmware (do you have any errors about loading firmware related to your wifi card)?
• 2357[18:21:56] <somiaj> terr: also cat /etc/network/interfaces (do you have your wifi card listed there?)
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• 2360[18:22:09] <terr> it was running yesterday morning
• 2361[18:22:10] <tinga> Naibed, ok, so it's using LVM, makes sense;
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• 2364[18:22:29] <terr> laptop
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• 2366[18:22:33] <FIlystyn> ratrace I have example with this
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• 2368[18:22:48] <FIlystyn> not sure how seting in interfaces mode is important
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• 2370[18:22:51] <Naibed> yes! it does i did that when i installed the system
• 2371[18:22:52] <terr> somiaj, laptop & it was running yesterday morning
• 2372[18:22:54] <tinga> Naibed, hmm, usually there's a program "pvscan" but I don't have it in the image
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• 2376[18:23:08] <somiaj> terr: that still doesn't answer either of my questions.
• 2377[18:23:30] <ratrace> FIlystyn: not sure what you're asking, but as I said, you can just set a "wpa-conf" directive for a NIC and then use that wpa_supplicant.conf format config file for all else.
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• 2379[18:24:08] <tinga> Anyone: how does one get the lvm2 package (lvm tools) on Debian live ??
• 2380[18:24:15] <ratrace> FIlystyn: one pattern is to use /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and another which I prefer to be compatible with the wpa_supplicant services, is /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant-<interface name>.conf
• 2381[18:24:36] <tinga> Ah, easy,
• 2382[18:24:43] <somiaj> terr: probably not a firmware issue, but answer my second question.
• 2383[18:24:46] <wannabehibernato> could somebody point on (how to file) hibernation bug reports
• 2384[18:24:47] <tinga> Naibed, run: apt-get update; apt-get install lvm2
• 2385[18:25:03] <tinga> Naibed, I hope you've got internet from the live image?
• 2386[18:25:10] <wannabehibernato> tia
• 2387[18:25:15] <terr> somiaj, negative on BOTH. and I was wondering about that.
• 2388[18:25:16] <FIlystyn> ratrace ok slowly. Let's see
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• 2390[18:25:26] <Naibed> haha
• 2391[18:25:30] <Naibed> i might not :p
• 2392[18:25:41] <Naibed> dont have the proprietary packages
• 2393[18:25:49] <tinga> Naibed, if you don't we can try if we can figure out why you diddn't get a grub screen.
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• 2396[18:26:09] <Naibed> wait maybe i have a ethernet cable
• 2397[18:26:12] <Naibed> sec
• 2398[18:26:14] <FIlystyn> ratrace I don't see wpa-conf in intrfaces(5) man
• 2399[18:26:16] <terr> I have loopback only. however ip a shows enp1s0 which is the ethernet interface
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• 2401[18:26:32] <tinga> Naibed, check top right of the screen, left of "Debian Live User", there's the network selector
• 2402[18:26:55] <terr> somiaj, I have loopback only. however ip a shows enp1s0 which is the ethernet interface
• 2403[18:27:08] * tinga mumbles why does the live system not have the lvm tools installed?
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• 2406[18:27:25] <tinga> (Doesn't the installer need those anyway??)
• 2407[18:27:31] <Naibed> yeah but it just says ethernet
• 2408[18:27:35] <somiaj> terr: if ip isn't showing your wired card at all, something is keeping it from loading, either firmware, or you have a hardware switch, turned it off in your bios, or you have some hardware error
• 2409[18:27:39] <FIlystyn> but it's in example so I willl stick to exmaple ratrace
• 2410[18:27:46] <terr> somiaj, and the ip address for enp1s0 is wrong. IE - routable
• 2411[18:27:46] <ratrace> FIlystyn: yes the docs on that are rather... nonexistent, that's why I prefer to keep all the wpa_supplicant config in its own proper config file, instead of guessworking directives in interfaces. But wpa-conf _is_ there.
• 2412[18:27:49] <somiaj> terr: you can try to scan trhough dmesg to see why the wireless card is not being loaded by the kernel.
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• 2415[18:28:00] <tinga> Naibed, OK, if you have ethernet that will be fine, otherwise we'll see what's up with the grub config
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• 2419[18:28:40] <terr> somiaj, it is. The system has been running for weeks with internat access
• 2420[18:28:48] <terr> somiaj, it is. The system has been running for weeks with internet access
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• 2422[18:29:06] <terr> somiaj, its something I did.
• 2423[18:29:08] <somiaj> if you do not see your wifi card in 'ip a', then it is not being loaded correctly, something has changed.
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• 2425[18:29:45] <terr> somiaj, I have tried service networking start and restart. at one point yesterday it did work. THen it quit working
• 2426[18:30:12] <terr> I see the interfaces. its there. just not configured
• 2427[18:30:24] <ratrace> FIlystyn: there's this, if it can help you, but I'd really recommend you use a proper wpa_supplicant.conf file. replaced-url
• 2428[18:30:36] <Naibed> Ok tinga
• 2429[18:30:42] <Naibed> I don't have one^^
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• 2431[18:30:56] <tinga> Naibed, ok, then enter this command: thunar
• 2432[18:31:34] <Naibed> yes
• 2433[18:31:38] <tinga> This will open the file manager, running as root; in it, go to /mnt/sda5/etc/default
• 2434[18:31:46] <terr> somiaj, I'll try rerunning some stuff and watch /var/log/messages this will take a while
• 2435[18:32:19] <FIlystyn> ratrace I am making wpa_supplicant.conf now
• 2436[18:32:37] <FIlystyn> first had to add it to intrafcaes to point at it
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• 2438[18:32:42] <ratrace> FIlystyn: base it on /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/examples/wpa_supplicant.conf which is fully documented
• 2439[18:32:50] <Naibed> no that doesn't work after etc it stops
• 2440[18:33:19] <ratrace> FIlystyn: also look up other example configs in that same .../examples/ dir
• 2441[18:33:41] <FIlystyn> Im reading the man for it
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• 2443[18:33:52] <FIlystyn> example sare big probably will stick to ssid and password only
• 2444[18:34:00] <tinga> Naibed, sorry, I was stupid, that is still encrypted; we can only look for the generated grub config file; instead,
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• 2446[18:34:52] <tinga> Naibed, go back to the terminal window, hit ctl-z, then enter "bg" (backgrounds the file manager). Then: mkdir /mnt/sda1; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
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• 2448[18:35:11] <ratrace> FIlystyn: but what I mean is the manpage does not describe the directives, while the example wpa_supplicant.conf is extensively documented through comments.
• 2449[18:36:01] <Naibed> k done
• 2450[18:36:11] <ratrace> FIlystyn: I'm guessing you'll need just network={ ... } where "..." includes ssid, key_mgmt, proto and psk entries, optionally scan_ssid if your ssid is hidden as it should be.
• 2451[18:36:18] <Naibed> sda5 is my main system.right
• 2452[18:36:19] <tinga> Naibed, then go back to the file manager and go to /mnt/sda1/grub
• 2453[18:36:41] <FIlystyn> i have WPA-PSK so key_mgmt and than psk also ssid
• 2454[18:36:52] <tinga> Naibed, sda1 should be the boot partition, that is used when your main partition is encrypted, it holds the kernel and grub configuration.
• 2455[18:36:58] <Naibed> kk
• 2456[18:37:06] <Naibed> im in there
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• 2458[18:37:20] <tinga> Naibed, there should be a file "grub.cfg". Double click that
• 2459[18:37:23] <FIlystyn> the man page is fine
• 2460[18:37:30] <Naibed> yes
• 2461[18:37:50] <tinga> Naibed, now we can check what the timeout is etc.; let me check my file
• 2462[18:37:51] <ratrace> FIlystyn: ssid="SSID name", psk="super seekrit passphrase", key_mgmt=WPA-PSK and proto=WPA2 are essential
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• 2464[18:38:46] <tinga> Naibed, if you hit ctl-f then enter "timeout" then ctl-g a few times you should get an entry that says "set timeout=5"
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• 2466[18:39:08] <terr> I forget how to change the screen blanking delta-t
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• 2469[18:39:34] <Naibed> its actually 30
• 2470[18:39:38] <Naibed> set to 30
• 2471[18:39:51] <terr> Naibed, units? and how?
• 2472[18:39:54] <tinga> Naibed, one line should be 30, another two lines 5, in mine anyway. Either case that's fine
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• 2474[18:40:24] <tinga> Naibed, You should have a line "set timeout_style=" which should be set to "menu". What is yours?
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• 2477[18:40:42] <terr> wrong conv
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• 2479[18:40:56] <Naibed> timeout styoe menu is 0
• 2480[18:41:02] <Naibed> below that
• 2481[18:41:24] <tinga> Naibed, interesting, change that so that it says "set timeout_style=menu"
• 2482[18:41:33] <Naibed> yeah
• 2483[18:41:37] <Naibed> it says thay
• 2484[18:41:40] <FIlystyn> ratrace there is no proto in man .conf basic example
• 2485[18:41:44] <Naibed> below that its set to 0
• 2486[18:41:53] <Naibed> twice
• 2487[18:41:56] <tinga> Naibed, do you mean timeout=0 ?
• 2488[18:41:58] <FIlystyn> let's test without proto
• 2489[18:42:02] <Naibed> yes
• 2490[18:42:07] <tinga> Naibed, OK, change those to timeout=5
• 2491[18:42:07] <mms_> hi I have tried to use usb pen drive with debian live iso as well as debian network boot iso for amd64. it boots to main menu but on choosing graphical install the display goes strange with horizontal thick lines.
• 2492[18:42:08] <ratrace> FIlystyn: like I said, the manpage is incomplete, use the usr share examples conf
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• 2495[18:42:40] <ratrace> FIlystyn: that file also has a number of additional examples
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• 2497[18:42:51] <FIlystyn> ok
• 2498[18:42:53] <Naibed> all of the ones that are set to 0 to 5 or only the first one thats set to 0?
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• 2500[18:43:16] <tinga> Naibed, make sure all "set timeout=" entries have a number of at least 5
• 2501[18:43:25] <anonymous_meerka> If I activated `4addr` on a wifi adapter in order to be able to connect it to a bridge, and now the adapter doesn't work at all, what should my next step be?
• 2502[18:43:26] <Naibed> k got it
• 2503[18:43:46] <tinga> Naibed, ok, now we need to save, oddly my mousepad sais "Read only", trying to figure out why
• 2504[18:43:56] <terr> tinga, can one do this manually with a utility? IE change screen timeout
• 2505[18:44:10] <Naibed> same here, but i was able to save it!
• 2506[18:44:17] <tinga> Naibed, ah, just use "File -> Save As" then save as grub.cfg-new
• 2507[18:44:25] <tinga> Naibed, OK.
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• 2509[18:44:48] <Naibed> i overwrote and said save, should be fine, when i open it's set to 5
• 2510[18:44:51] <tinga> Naibed, close mousepad; enter: grep timeout /mnt/sda1/grub/grub.cfg
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• 2512[18:45:19] <tinga> Naibed, you should get the lines with "timeout" in them and all of them should show up with 5 or 10 (not 0)
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• 2514[18:46:03] <Naibed> yes if i reopen the file they are all set to 5 now
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• 2517[18:46:39] <tinga> Naibed, OK, sounds good (the grep command would be to really make sure we got the path right and everything)
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• 2519[18:46:46] <tinga> (Just to double check before we reboot)
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• 2521[18:46:52] <Naibed> k mom
• 2522[18:47:24] <Naibed> yes
• 2523[18:47:33] <Naibed> i get those values!
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• 2525[18:47:41] <tinga> OK, now you can enter: umount /mnt/sda1
• 2526[18:47:42] <Naibed> 30, 5, 5
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• 2528[18:48:03] <tinga> ah, might fail if thunar (file manager) is still open
• 2529[18:48:24] <lwp> mms_: did you change to using DD mode in rufus ?
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• 2531[18:48:36] <mms_> lwp yes I tried both dd and iso
• 2532[18:48:36] <Naibed> doesnt work either way but wih sudo infront
• 2533[18:48:58] <mms_> lwp: both do not work
• 2534[18:49:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1525
• 2535[18:49:03] <tinga> Naibed, should be fine; it will flush anyway; enter:reboot
• 2536[18:49:09] <tinga> enter: reboot
• 2537[18:49:10] <mms_> lwp: I suspect is to do with some display thing
• 2538[18:49:51] <mms_> lwp: I tried multiple network boot iso and also debian live iso and all graphical install is broke
• 2539[18:49:52] <lwp> mms_: does it work if you choose to run the live system, instead of the installer ?
• 2540[18:49:52] <Naibed> done
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• 2542[18:49:54] <tinga> Naibed, you should now be getting the grub screen.
• 2543[18:49:59] <tinga> On boot
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• 2545[18:50:22] <Naibed> yessssss
• 2546[18:50:22] <mms_> lwp: I tried live and it does not proceed beyond main menu
• 2547[18:50:31] <Naibed> im getting it
• 2548[18:50:33] <tinga> Naibed, cool, now we proceed as planned, hit "e"
• 2549[18:50:45] <mms_> lwp: I did try to choose first option to do boot into live and it does not go to next screen
• 2550[18:51:11] <mms_> lwp: so I also then drive graphical install
• 2551[18:51:23] <lwp> mms_: I don't remember, are you using the "firmware" "non-free" .iso images ?
• 2552[18:51:33] <mms_> from debian site
• 2553[18:51:36] <Naibed> yes im in there
• 2554[18:51:47] <mms_> lwp: from debian office site
• 2555[18:51:53] <Naibed> you still remember the original problem right :D
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• 2557[18:51:58] <mms_> lwp: official
• 2558[18:52:00] <tinga> Naibed, so, you go to the line that says boot= .. linux .. something
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• 2560[18:52:17] <lwp> mms_: yes, but what is the full name of the .iso image you are using now ?
• 2561[18:52:18] <tinga> Naibed, then add init=/bin/bash in there (ensure that there's a space before and after)
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• 2563[18:52:26] <mms_> lwp: replaced-url
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• 2565[18:52:58] <Naibed> cant see boot =
• 2566[18:53:06] <lwp> mms_: yes, and after that ?
• 2567[18:53:10] <mms_> debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-gnome
• 2568[18:53:11] <tinga> Naibed, that line also should say something about initrd btw;
• 2569[18:53:27] <mms_> lwp: debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst
• 2570[18:53:35] <tinga> Naibed, maybe I misremember the "boot" bit. It's probably the longest line there is.
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• 2572[18:53:38] <mms_> lwp: after that means ?
• 2573[18:53:49] <lwp> mms_: yes, you answered
• 2574[18:53:49] <mms_> lwp: that is the iso I downloaded
• 2575[18:53:53] <mms_> lwp: ok
• 2576[18:53:54] <Naibed> mom i send u a pic i cant s
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• 2578[18:54:00] <Naibed> cant see
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• 2580[18:54:13] <Naibed> ahhh the bottom
• 2581[18:54:14] <tinga> Naibed, maybe: "linux /vmlinuz..... root=/dev...."
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• 2584[18:54:44] <tinga> Naibed, I may have beenwrong with initrd on the same line actually. You want the line that says "linux"
• 2585[18:54:55] <Naibed> tinga gimme 5 sec, brb
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• 2587[18:55:24] <tinga> Naibed, it might be shown like this (this is how it's in grub.cfg, I copied it from here): "linux /vmlinuz-4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/dull--vg-root ro single"
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• 2590[18:56:09] <lwp> mms_: did you try any of the images with "non-free firmware" such as this one: replaced-url
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• 2594[18:56:37] <FIlystyn> Thank you everyone for help I nearly finished
• 2595[18:56:44] <mms_> no let me check
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• 2598[18:57:12] <Naibed> Ok im back; replaced-url
• 2599[18:57:26] <Naibed> If the chat gets too big here my phone starts lagging crazy
• 2600[18:57:31] <lwp> mms_: and make sure you use only DD mode, if you must use rufus
• 2601[18:57:52] <mms_> lwp: ok noted and also downloading
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• 2604[18:57:58] <mms_> lwp: will update once done
• 2605[18:58:11] <lwp> mms_: good luck, I am afk for a while now
• 2606[18:58:11] <mms_> shows will take 2 hours to download
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• 2610[18:59:15] <Naibed> Tinga, re :)
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• 2612[18:59:27] <tinga> replaced-url
• 2613[18:59:54] <tinga> Naibed, do you see a line like "linux /vmlinuz-4.9.0-9-rt-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/dull--vg-root ro quiet" or so ?
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• 2615[19:00:00] <anonymous_meerka> Hey all, I'm trying to connect wifi to a bridge. I enabled `4addr`, which simply killed my wifi. I found a solution, but I'd need to know "the WDS device address configured in the router". How do I find that/ What is that?
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• 2617[19:00:29] <anonymous_meerka> I get that it's a MAC address (I think), but after that, I'm lost.
• 2618[19:00:38] <Naibed> replaced-url
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• 2621[19:01:34] <Naibed> ahhh
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• 2624[19:02:06] <tinga> It looks like an empty text post? Not sure.
• 2625[19:02:09] <Naibed> Tinga replaced-url
• 2626[19:02:16] <Naibed> this one -.-
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• 2628[19:02:40] <tinga> yeah, go to the "linux /vmlinuz...." line
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• 2630[19:02:57] <Naibed> yes
• 2631[19:03:14] <tinga> Naibed, then go to the end of that line, delete the "quiet", and replace it with init=/bin/bash
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• 2633[19:03:37] <tinga> Actually, remove the "ro" as well
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• 2636[19:04:01] <Naibed> done
• 2637[19:04:14] <tinga> Naibed, then hit ctlx
• 2638[19:04:17] <tinga> ctl-x
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• 2642[19:04:53] <Naibed> bash: no job control in this shell
• 2643[19:05:12] <tinga> Naibed, hm, is fine I think. You should have a "# " with a cursor
• 2644[19:05:16] <Naibed> root@(none):/#
• 2645[19:05:19] <Naibed> yes i got
• 2646[19:05:42] <tinga> Good. Enter "cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab-backup"
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• 2650[19:06:31] <Naibed> it says its a read only file system
• 2651[19:06:50] <tinga> Aha, so the removal of "ro" didnt help. Enter: mount -o remount,rw /
• 2652[19:06:51] <greycat> fsck it, then remount it rw
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• 2654[19:07:17] <Naibed> k
• 2655[19:07:20] <tinga> Yeah, if the above fails first say: fsck /dev/root
• 2656[19:07:33] <tinga> Naibed, did mount succeed? Then run the cp command again
• 2657[19:08:01] <Naibed> errors=remount-ro
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• 2659[19:08:24] <tinga> hm. OK run the fsck commant I gave
• 2660[19:08:24] <greycat> that just means it will remount itself readonly if certain kinds of errors happen
• 2661[19:08:28] <tinga> Aha
• 2662[19:08:33] <tinga> OK its fine then
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• 2664[19:08:45] <tinga> Naibed, did the "cp" command complain?
• 2665[19:09:02] <tinga> well, might have triggered the remount-ro message
• 2666[19:09:11] <Naibed> no that worked now
• 2667[19:09:18] <tinga> Naibed, should be fine, now run: nano /etc/fstab
• 2668[19:09:22] <Naibed> was the last one ive timed
• 2669[19:09:26] <Naibed> typed*
• 2670[19:09:28] <SerajewelKS> if cp triggered the ro remount then it wouldn't say "read-only filesystem"
• 2671[19:09:36] <SerajewelKS> would probably complain about an I/O error
• 2672[19:09:39] <Naibed> im in there
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• 2674[19:09:52] <tinga> Naibed, ok, now you need to go down to the line that you added
• 2675[19:10:05] <Naibed> i added a line yesterday , the last line, ntfs-3g ddfaults 0 0
• 2676[19:10:24] <SerajewelKS> is that the whole line?
• 2677[19:10:25] <tinga> Naibed, change "ddfaults" (or defaults, whatever) into: noauto
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• 2679[19:10:39] <SerajewelKS> "defaults,nofail" would also work
• 2680[19:10:47] <SerajewelKS> it would attempt to mount on boot but not panic if it can't mount it
• 2681[19:11:01] <tinga> Can't be the whole line as Naibed said it complained about /mnt/windows so that must be in there
• 2682[19:11:07] <Naibed> i havw "defaults" in there twice (one time from what ive added yesterday)
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• 2685[19:11:43] <Naibed> wait nanod into the file and i tell u what i added yesterday
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• 2687[19:12:12] <Naibed> "/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0"
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• 2689[19:12:21] <Naibed> thats the last line and i added that yesterday
• 2690[19:12:32] <Naibed> havent done anything now in the file so far
• 2691[19:12:39] <tinga> Yep sounds sensible; so add ",nofail" after "defaults" as SerajewelKS said
• 2692[19:12:47] <tinga> That's a slightly better idea than my noaut
• 2693[19:12:51] <tinga> *noauto
• 2694[19:13:16] <Naibed> ok done
• 2695[19:13:38] <Naibed> it makes sense to keep that line entirely tho? (to write on ntfs generally?)
• 2696[19:13:40] <tinga> Then save that file (IIRC nano shows how to in the line at the bottom, but I don't really know nano)
• 2697[19:13:54] <SerajewelKS> ^X is exit and you'll be prompted to save
• 2698[19:14:11] <greycat> and ^X means Ctrl-x
• 2699[19:14:17] <tinga> Naibed, well, I'm not sure, I think file managers should mount a windows partition on a usb disk anyway
• 2700[19:14:31] <tinga> Naibed, but maybe Debian doesn't do that read-write
• 2701[19:14:36] <SerajewelKS> "sda" doesn't seem like a USB disk
• 2702[19:14:38] <tinga> Naibed, so, probably makes sense
• 2703[19:14:48] <tinga> Ah yeah, good point!
• 2704[19:14:55] <Naibed> reboot?
• 2705[19:15:00] <SerajewelKS> Naibed: it may be better to specify the volume by its UUID as well, if your BIOS doesn't give stable device names
• 2706[19:15:10] <tinga> Naibed, you said you're mounting a USB disk? sda1 is your boot partition, that's not windows!
• 2707[19:15:21] <Naibed> no i have an ssd
• 2708[19:15:26] <SerajewelKS> sda1 may or may not be the boot partition
• 2709[19:15:29] <Naibed> no windows only debian
• 2710[19:15:46] <tinga> SerajewelKS, hmm actually true, it was sda1 when running live cd
• 2711[19:15:52] <tinga> might be sdc now
• 2712[19:15:54] <tinga> sdc1
• 2713[19:16:06] <SerajewelKS> Naibed: next time you have the disk inserted, run "lsblk -o +uuid" to see the UUID of the partition/device you are trying to mount
• 2714[19:16:16] <SerajewelKS> then replace /dev/sda1 with UUID=... in your fstab
• 2715[19:16:22] <Naibed> wait
• 2716[19:16:37] <Naibed> sorry bit thats too much too fast. should i try to reboot and see if it works now?
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• 2718[19:16:49] <SerajewelKS> because right now, if you insert a different USB disk first, systemd is going to try to mount the first partition as NTFS which may not be what you want
• 2719[19:17:03] <tinga> Naibed, I suggest you just add a "#" character at the beginning of your line in fstab
• 2720[19:17:05] <SerajewelKS> then you insert the other one later, it won't even do anything
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• 2722[19:17:19] <tinga> Naibed, that comments it out. Then we reboot then it will be easier to deal with this
• 2723[19:17:26] <Naibed> i can also just delete that line for now
• 2724[19:17:28] <jolkelssa> hello guys
• 2725[19:17:33] <SerajewelKS> referencing the volume by UUID allows the system to locate it no matter which /dev/sdX device it appears under
• 2726[19:17:59] <jolkelssa> I USE DEBIAN BUT THERE IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM IN LINUX ON LENOVO LEGION LAPTOPS
• 2727[19:18:03] <tinga> SerajewelKS, we don't have devfs etc mounted currently so, let's just have Naibed reboot
• 2728[19:18:05] <jolkelssa> NO INTERNET CONNECTION AT ALL
• 2729[19:18:09] <jolkelssa> UBUNTU FIXED THIS
• 2730[19:18:16] <jolkelssa> BUT WHY DEBIAN STILL NOT FIXING THAT?
• 2731[19:18:18] <SerajewelKS> tinga: right, i didn't mean this moment. later.
• 2732[19:18:19] <Naibed> done. i added # infront
• 2733[19:18:37] <tinga> Naibed, good, so exit and save as indicated;
• 2734[19:18:39] <SerajewelKS> jolkelssa: nobody is going to help you with that attitude
• 2735[19:18:54] <jolkelssa> WHAT DO YOU MEAN
• 2736[19:18:55] <jolkelssa> SORRY?
• 2737[19:18:59] <tinga> Naibed, then, enter: sync
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• 2740[19:19:05] <greycat> if it's a matter of non-free firmware, Debian will never include non-free firmware (or software) in its official installers
• 2741[19:19:14] <SerajewelKS> jolkelssa: first lose the all caps, then lose the entitlement
• 2742[19:19:32] <jolkelssa> oh sorry
• 2743[19:19:40] <Naibed> lol
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• 2746[19:19:49] <SerajewelKS> we don't really care what ubuntu does, feel free to use ubuntu if it works for you
• 2747[19:19:50] <jolkelssa> there is a problem on lenovo legion laptops
• 2748[19:19:53] <tinga> SerajewelKS, should we instruct Naibed to "exec /sbin/init", or "sync" and powercycle? I don't know if systemd changed the init stuff.
• 2749[19:19:56] <Naibed> it just works now
• 2750[19:19:57] <jolkelssa> no i like debian
• 2751[19:20:03] <jolkelssa> there is a problem
• 2752[19:20:05] <mlokpc> Hello, does anybody know if SFTP has incremental capabilities such as Rsync or just differential? Thanks
• 2753[19:20:07] <jolkelssa> it does not connect wifi
• 2754[19:20:09] <Naibed> i think im back :)
• 2755[19:20:09] <SerajewelKS> tinga: power cycle is safest
• 2756[19:20:21] <SerajewelKS> jolkelssa: install the firmware package for your particular device
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• 2758[19:20:33] <tinga> Naibed, you have rebooted and are back? cool
• 2759[19:20:39] <Naibed> wait i reboot one more time
• 2760[19:20:45] <greycat> jolkelssa: and if you don't know what the device is, try lspci -nn
• 2761[19:20:47] <SerajewelKS> !firmware
• 2762[19:20:48] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
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• 2765[19:21:24] <jolkelssa> but people say that is closed source
• 2766[19:21:28] <jolkelssa> i mean wifi driver
• 2767[19:21:32] <jolkelssa> is it safe to install?
• 2768[19:21:33] <SerajewelKS> it is, that's why it's not in main
• 2769[19:21:56] <dvs> jolkelssa, it is closed source. That's why it isn't part of the regular Debian installer.
• 2770[19:21:57] <SerajewelKS> safe is a judgement call you have to make for yourself
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• 2772[19:22:23] <jolkelssa> so can i fix this with an open source?
• 2773[19:22:31] <dvs> no
• 2774[19:22:32] <SerajewelKS> not currently
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• 2776[19:22:44] <Naibed> Ok
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• 2778[19:22:59] <greycat> The hardware manufacturers do not reveal the necessary details of their devices that would be needed to write free firmware.
• 2779[19:23:02] <Naibed> I can boot again, i have grub now..
• 2780[19:23:03] <jolkelssa> but what if it has a backdoor?
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• 2782[19:23:10] <jolkelssa> they can see all my files?
• 2783[19:23:12] <Naibed> Im pretty sure everything is fine now!
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• 2786[19:23:29] <tinga> Naibed, you mean you can log into your installation with graphical desktop again?
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• 2789[19:23:32] <SerajewelKS> it's unlikely the wireless radio chip has access to the disk
• 2790[19:23:43] <Naibed> Tinga, I don't know what to say you helped me for 2+ hours now. Thank you so so so so much
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• 2792[19:23:51] <Gigglebyte> I lost my desktop. Its still in the directory structure, but no longer visible on top. Any idea how to bring it back?
• 2793[19:23:58] <jolkelssa> so they cant see my screen?
• 2794[19:24:00] <lwp> !proprietary drivers
• 2795[19:24:00] <dpkg> "competing hardware manufacturers are violating each others patents so much that they cannot publish specifications of their hardware without showing which patents they are violating." -Aki
• 2796[19:24:03] <Naibed> Also serajewelKS ofc for your fast help in the end
• 2797[19:24:03] <tinga> Naibed, :) no prob. I don't do that often but sometimes it's fun :)
• 2798[19:24:05] <jolkelssa> like trojans do
• 2799[19:24:08] <SerajewelKS> Naibed: np
• 2800[19:24:20] <Naibed> You got a btc address? dm me i tip you some
• 2801[19:24:33] <SerajewelKS> jolkelssa: it's impossible to prove a negative, but i would say it's unlikely
• 2802[19:24:35] <tinga> No need:)
• 2803[19:24:51] <tinga> Naibed, you'll want to figure out about the NTFS read-write thing now, whether you really need an fstab entry.
• 2804[19:25:00] <Naibed> wow!! really really impressed with the linux community as always. thank you guys so much
• 2805[19:25:51] <Naibed> ok i check, i try to move a file to my usb drive
• 2806[19:25:52] <tinga> Naibed, fstab is meant for devices you always, or at least often use; it's kinda lowlevel. Linux Mint / Cinnamon mounts USB drives via the file manager as read write already, maybe Debian / your desktop environment doesn't.
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• 2809[19:26:09] <jolkelssa> hmm. how did ubuntu fix that then? they use closed source?
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• 2812[19:26:22] <SerajewelKS> jolkelssa: they didn't fix it. they include the firmware in the installer.
• 2813[19:26:28] <anonymous_meerka> Hey all, I'm trying to connect wifi to a bridge. I enabled `4addr`, which simply killed my wifi. I found a solution, but I'd need to know "the WDS device address configured in the router". How do I find that/ What is that?
• 2814[19:26:35] <jolkelssa> hmm
• 2815[19:26:36] <anonymous_meerka> I get that it's a MAC address (I think), but after that, I'm lost.
• 2816[19:26:41] <jolkelssa> so they use closed source
• 2817[19:26:43] <SerajewelKS> jolkelssa: it's the same stuff available in debian non-free, they just force it on you
• 2818[19:26:59] <tinga> Naibed, maybe you can configure it graphically for the filemanager/desktop you're using; I'd find out about that. As a last resort, do as SerajewelKS told, to find the UUID of the device and make a correct fstab line.
• 2819[19:27:24] <SerajewelKS> many file managers will mount stuff on-demand. but there's dozens in debian, so we'd have to know which you are using.
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• 2821[19:27:45] <SerajewelKS> some of them depend on some other daemon to be running to make it happen
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• 2823[19:27:59] <SerajewelKS> e.g. gnome's stuff has a gvfs daemon that manages it, IIRC
• 2824[19:28:06] <tinga> Naibed, maybe it's worth downloading grml instead of Debian Live CD next time. replaced-url
• 2825[19:28:22] <tinga> Naibed, that should have LVM tools already on the image (at least the larger ones).
• 2826[19:28:34] <jolkelssa> nvidia drivers are also closed source, yeah?
• 2827[19:28:46] <jelly> correct
• 2828[19:29:01] <SerajewelKS> jolkelssa: i think the nvidia drivers have some open source bits but it's to bootstrap the closed source bits (don't quote me on that)
• 2829[19:29:03] <tinga> Naibed, ah, coming to mind: we did edit grub.cfg which is a file that's generated, our changes to the timeout will be overwritten next time you install or upgrade a kernel.
• 2830[19:29:20] <Naibed> ahh ok
• 2831[19:29:32] <tinga> Naibed, now, edit the file /etc/default/grub, it should be only ~20 lines, and one of them will be the timeout
• 2832[19:29:35] <Naibed> but thay shouldt matter since i dont really need it anyway
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• 2834[19:29:42] <Naibed> and i know how to edit it now!!
• 2835[19:29:58] <tinga> Naibed, better do so it will be easier next time (you could choose a timeout of 1).
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• 2837[19:30:18] <tinga> But, your choice :)
• 2838[19:30:21] <Naibed> Ok writing to usb works just fine
• 2839[19:30:26] <Naibed> ntfs
• 2840[19:30:40] <tinga> Ok :)
• 2841[19:30:57] <tinga> You probably found old advice from 10 years ago or so.
• 2842[19:31:07] <Naibed> Thanks thanks thanks! And stay safe during those scary time!
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• 2844[19:31:30] <jelly> tinga: 5 used to be default
• 2845[19:31:31] <horribleprogram> yo guys
• 2846[19:31:44] <jelly> (seconds)
• 2847[19:31:56] <Naibed> Im out here, need to do smth else make some food. Have a good one everyone!
• 2848[19:31:57] <tinga> jelly, yep, but somehow Naibed ended up with 0. Maybe edited it him/herself, dunno :)
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• 2851[19:32:03] <horribleprogram> my mousepad works on my Lenovo laptop, but the double clicking action, which worked on Ubuntu, doensn't work on Debian
• 2852[19:32:08] <Naibed> No it was by default!!
• 2853[19:32:09] <horribleprogram> there might be some non-free firmware
• 2854[19:32:13] <Naibed> Never changed it
• 2855[19:32:20] <Naibed> Non free, yes!
• 2856[19:32:22] <tinga> Naibed, odd, strange. Shrug, dunno.
• 2857[19:32:35] <horribleprogram> but idk what to install, I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to have non-free and contrib for every repository
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• 2861[19:35:15] <horribleprogram> ohh apparently you have to remove the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and install the xserver-xorg-input-libinput
• 2862[19:35:33] <greycat> that sounds vaguely familiar... stretch?
• 2863[19:35:39] <horribleprogram> buster
• 2864[19:35:44] <horribleprogram> and stretch
• 2865[19:35:46] <horribleprogram> lol
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• 2867[19:35:57] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2874[19:37:27] <anonymous_meerka> Hey all, I'm trying to connect wifi to a bridge. I enabled `4addr`, which simply killed my wifi. I found a solution, but I'd need to know "the WDS device address configured in the router". How do I find that/ What is that?
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• 2877[19:38:18] <horribleprogram> greycat: yupperss
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• 2894[19:43:27] <horribleprogram> greycat: replaced-url
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• 2896[19:43:40] <kolasdfl> hello
• 2897[19:43:46] <horribleprogram> greycat: the 40-libinput.conf file I made completely crashed my gdm3
• 2898[19:43:54] <kolasdfl> how can i download the latest iwlwifi from debian site?
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• 2901[19:44:03] <greycat> !non-free sources
• 2902[19:44:03] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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• 2905[19:44:28] <kolasdfl> replaced-url
• 2906[19:44:32] <horribleprogram> greycat: iight it works now
• 2907[19:44:58] <kolasdfl> is this latest?
• 2908[19:45:05] <kolasdfl> i will install manuel
• 2909[19:45:14] <kolasdfl> manual*
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• 2911[19:45:19] <greycat> You don't install sid packages on other releases.
• 2912[19:45:30] <greycat> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
• 2913[19:45:31] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2
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• 2915[19:45:47] <greycat> there's a buster-backports version that has the same version-date as the sid package
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• 2957[19:58:47] <anonymous_meerka> I'm not managing to connect wifi to a bridge - I've tried 4addr, which killed my wifi entirely, and now I don't really understand any of the other options I see. Help!
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• 3014[20:18:31] <zodd> is there a required filename extension for files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
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• 3016[20:19:06] <jpw> zodd: no
• 3017[20:19:50] <Wulf> zodd: none at all? name the file after the interface
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• 3020[20:20:09] <zodd> ah. default seems to be *.cfg
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• 3022[20:20:26] <zodd> thanks
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• 3024[20:20:56] <asperon> i am trying to remove the sury php version from my system, and just use the one provided by debian, but when i do install php php-common it still wants to install packages named php7.3 and php7.3-common, is this to be expected?
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• 3028[20:22:11] <petn-randall> mv
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• 3030[20:22:16] <petn-randall> ,v php7.3
• 3031[20:22:17] <judd> Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.14-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 7.3.15-3; sid: 7.3.15-3
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• 3034[20:22:29] <petn-randall> asperon: Are you running buster? Then it's expected.
• 3035[20:22:50] <petn-randall> asperon: You can also check yourself with running `apt-cacher policy php7.3`.
• 3036[20:22:54] <asperon> yes, i am, looked on the package site, but there they seem to be just named php-*
• 3037[20:22:58] <asperon> great, thanks
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• 3039[20:23:36] <petn-randall> asperon: If you look for the exact package name you should find something.
• 3040[20:24:06] <asperon> ok, then i know, thank you
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• 3078[20:38:16] <kevin_> hi guys 8(
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• 3080[20:38:36] <ratrace> y u so sad
• 3081[20:39:10] <lordmango> hi
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• 3083[20:39:22] <kevin_> I'm mad at online games
• 3084[20:39:32] <dsc_> me too bro, me too
• 3085[20:39:54] <ratrace> is that in any shape or form related to a debian support question?
• 3086[20:40:12] <dsc_> ratrace: most likely not!
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• 3112[20:58:43] <nickgaw> Hi, I have a working debian testing system but was wondering what is the best way to make a full system backup of all partitions so that I can do things like testthe debian-installer yet have the ability to fully restore the system and is this the best channel to talk about working with the debian-installer?
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• 3119[21:02:44] <greatgatsby> use a virtual machine with snapshots, like with VirtualBox?
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• 3124[21:04:06] <noln> use an empty partition as the "whole disk" of a virtual machine?
• 3125[21:04:29] <jhutchins_wk> That's good, or you can boot to alternate media and use dd or partclone to create an image.
• 3126[21:05:01] <greatgatsby> I would just create a new VM from scratch through virtualbox, create a new 20G drive or something, and then experiment with the installer however you want.
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• 3128[21:05:12] <jhutchins_wk> nickgaw: There's a utility distribution called clonezilla that has a number of useful tools for backup, transfer, and imaging.
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• 3131[21:05:38] <greatgatsby> is there anything specific in your current baremetal install where you actually need a clone of that, or can you just use a fresh VM?
• 3132[21:06:02] <greatgatsby> it' so quick to isntall a new VM, literally a 20 minute process once you have the iso installer
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• 3135[21:08:49] <nickgaw> I will have a look at clonezilla first as I would rather have an entire backup of everything before doing any testing as I am totally blind and use both speakup and orca screen readers so want to make sure I have a way to restore things should they break can virtualbox be run from the command line with a cursor option like qemu for testing things like the debian-installer
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• 3141[21:10:33] <jhutchins_wk> A lot of our state websites are seeing very intense traffic.
• 3142[21:10:43] <greatgatsby> nickgaw, there's vboxmanage which is the command line interface to virtual box, but I'll be honest I have never used it to create a full VM from scratch
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• 3145[21:11:00] <nickgaw> Can that be done?
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• 3148[21:12:51] <jhutchins_wk> I would think it might be challenging to get screenreaders workinig in a virtual machine.
• 3149[21:12:52] <greatgatsby> nickgaw, this website has a tutorial: replaced-url
• 3150[21:13:14] <greatgatsby> but yeah, I'm not sure how the accessibility will work during/after install
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• 3153[21:14:05] <nickgaw> I use to use the windows GUI version but that is not very accessible anymore so that link might help a lot you have to have a screen reader in both the guest and host systems not one for both.
• 3154[21:14:20] <greatgatsby> nickgaw, but that website link I posted has everything from creating a new VM, setting memory, network, creating a new hard drive, mounting an ISO, and starting the VM
• 3155[21:14:43] <nickgaw> I am looking at it now.
• 3156[21:14:45] <greatgatsby> again, no idea how accessibility features will work
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• 3158[21:15:43] <openbsdtai123> Debian, fast answer over irc? There is a Unix/Linux channel for Chat: mumble.info, at server 38.81.163.134... If you want a fast answer about Debian over talk, feel free this is foss.
• 3159[21:15:45] <nickgaw> Just wondering are there laptop makers that sell laptps with debian preinstalled?
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• 3161[21:16:43] <waterkip> i think dell does that
• 3162[21:16:54] <waterkip> but there is also another one I think.. forgot the name
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• 3165[21:17:22] <nickgaw> System76 sells linux laptops but they sell pop OS on them.
• 3166[21:17:37] <noln> replaced-url
• 3167[21:17:52] <noln> ebay also has some stuff
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• 3169[21:18:29] <greatgatsby> there's also this page: replaced-url
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• 3171[21:18:43] <greatgatsby> I know dell does ubuntu, not sure about debian
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• 3173[21:18:59] <nickgaw> Just looking around as my system currently is having power off issues where it will get very hot then just shut down complaining even when doing nothing that the CPU temperature is above threshold and the fans have been blone out.
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• 3181[21:24:21] <karlpinc> eracks used to have a debian install, but I've not looked in a while.
• 3182[21:24:23] <greatgatsby> from Dell: Dell partners with Red Hat, SuSE and Canonical, and so most of our efforts are focused on these distributions.
• 3183[21:25:12] <nickgaw> If I buy a system wipe it and install debian will that void the warrenty?
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• 3186[21:25:59] <noln> not if you bought it in the European Union as a consumer replaced-url
• 3187[21:26:00] <mspe> just make a backup of the whole thing @ factory state, and then wipe it up
• 3188[21:26:27] <mspe> so they can't put up with this bullshit, if you put it back to original condition
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• 3190[21:26:34] <mspe> (software-wise)
• 3191[21:26:57] <nickgaw> I would always make a full backup first just so if things break I could restore it.
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• 3275[22:16:00] <waterkip> nickgaw: no, at leat not in my last 20 years of using dell
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• 3280[22:19:16] <somiaj> sometimes when running linux it can be hard to tell if an issue is hardware (underwarnanty) or software (linux kernel which isn't under warnenty). But if you have a hardware issue, wiping the os that comes with the machine dosen't void it
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• 3282[22:20:23] <jmaher> I can't get xbindkeys to bind things to my mouse buttons - any advice?
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• 3284[22:21:04] <greycat> bind them via your window manager instead?
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• 3287[22:21:59] <lwp> I have a dell box (ordered w/ ubuntu installer stub, to avoid MicroSoft tax) that needed warranty replacement of MoBo... the tech that came here to do the swap was totally fine with it being debian, and actually interested to see it when it booted back up.
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• 3289[22:22:31] <jmaher> actually - it doesn't bind the keyboard keys either :(
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• 3330[22:49:14] <jhutchins_wk> Dell ships systems with linux.
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• 3335[22:50:31] <OneanotherEUNS> here
• 3336[22:50:38] <OneanotherEUNS> gnu tlp, anymore?
• 3337[22:50:51] <OneanotherEUNS> *grub tlp
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• 3346[22:56:23] <mspe> tlp?
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• 3350[22:57:16] <puffi> I'm trying to change parameters on a module, I've created a conf file in /etc/modprob.d but they don't seem to be picked up on boot. Any ideas what I'm missing? replaced-url
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