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3[00:01:59] <toli> guys, any one tried to install Deb on X1 carbon gen 2 with touch screen?
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6[00:04:46] <petn-randall> toli: Usually the wiki is a good source for that, or a google search which might find you someone's blog.
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8[00:05:14] <petn-randall> toli: If you're currently installing it, though, you can ask about specific problems you're having and how to work around them.
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12[00:06:23] <toli> petn-randall: thank you for the info, I am still waiting the machine, but as I didn't found anyone installing debian on it, I thought I can ask here
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14[00:07:01] <jhutchins> MarioMey: Debian sometimes needs you to install non-free firmware that other distros install automatically. Take a look at your syslog and the output of dmesg, look up your chipset (lspci -nn) and see what it takes to support it on debian.
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18[00:07:57] <toli> normally it should work, but I never had a touchscreen before on debian
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80[00:26:47] <IHaveNoName> What do i do guys to make a sopel bot on debian
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85[00:27:40] <Mathisen> what is a sopel bot ?
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89[00:28:09] <IHaveNoName> Its an irc bot
90[00:28:25] <IHaveNoName> hey red
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92[00:28:31] <red-001> hi IHaveNoName
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94[00:28:44] <red-001> ah your bear
95[00:28:46] <IHaveNoName> Im bear on inchra btw
96[00:28:51] <IHaveNoName> lol
97[00:28:55] <Mathisen> just install the bot and run it then
98[00:28:57] <teraflops> IHaveNoName: sudo pip install is a bad idea because you install python stuff under / and it will eventually conflicts with debian stuff installed with the package manager
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100[00:29:18] <teraflops> conflict^
101[00:29:22] <IHaveNoName> Mathisen not that simple
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105[00:29:40] <IHaveNoName> teraflops what do i do then?
106[00:30:02] <teraflops> IHaveNoName: either use virtualenv or pip install --user
107[00:30:10] <IHaveNoName> Ok
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109[00:30:43] <IHaveNoName> Whats virtualend?
110[00:30:45] <IHaveNoName> *env
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113[00:32:24] <teraflops> a folder that has all the python stuff for making the app work, not relying/messing with systemwide python
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115[00:32:47] <IHaveNoName> I dont have that folder
116[00:32:50] <teraflops> kind if chroot
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118[00:33:12] <teraflops> of^
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121[00:33:30] <IHaveNoName> Hm, ive never used chroot
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124[00:34:30] <teraflops> IHaveNoName: so basically you do have 0 idea of python
125[00:34:50] <teraflops> then this is not the right channel I'm afraid
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127[00:34:58] <IHaveNoName> No i know some python but i never used chroot
128[00:35:13] <teraflops> I said virtualenv
129[00:35:51] <teraflops> kind of chroot because when you activate it, it adjusts paths
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131[00:37:18] <IHaveNoName> Ok
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135[00:38:30] <Mathisen> is it a must to run pip with sudo ?
136[00:38:41] <Mathisen> why not just run pip as regular user ?
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139[00:39:00] <petn-randall> teraflops: I've heard current-gen Intel CPUs need a newer kernel to work. Don't have any first-hand experience, though.
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145[00:41:55] <teraflops> petn-randall: is this about the issue with debian6 from hours ago?
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149[00:44:18] <teraflops> if yes, I think youre right
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165[00:53:20] <IHaveNoName> teraflops i installed virtualenv and shortly after doing 2 commands it says
166[00:53:30] <IHaveNoName> Installing setup, pip
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168[00:53:48] <IHaveNoName> Does that mean i can use pip commands now?
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189[01:04:32] <MarioMey> Well, I finally installed Debian 9. Not any Kernel Panic more, nVidia is working, TP-Link modem working... now, I have to install everything again. Question:
190[01:04:44] <MarioMey> I have this command: "sudo apt-get install synaptic audacious audacity gimp inkscape virtualbox cdcat terminator dconf-editor pavucontrol baobab qjackctl patchage qasmixer ardour calf-plugins wmctrl gstreamer1.0-tools"
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193[01:05:30] <MarioMey> To install almost all programs I use. But there're some of them that are not in Debian repositories. It's Ok, I'll look for them late...
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196[01:05:52] <MarioMey> But console says: E: El paquete «virtualbox» no tiene un candidato para la instalación" and it doesn't continue.
197[01:06:15] <MarioMey> Is any way to ignore that error message and continue installing everything else?
198[01:06:41] <IHaveNoName> Idk
199[01:07:43] <mutante> MarioMey: why not just remove the word "virtualbox" from that line
200[01:08:08] <mutante> that would be ignoring that it doesnt exist but do everything else :)
201[01:08:21] <MarioMey> It is an option.
202[01:08:28] <MarioMey> :D
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204[01:08:47] <mutante> i was going to joke with something like pipe it into sed 's/virtualbox//g'
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209[01:09:28] <forcerecon> Kernel Self Protection Project.. read it
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211[01:09:37] <MarioMey> mutante: I thougth there was an option in apt-get... but it wasn't.
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220[01:12:43] <forcerecon> Qubes + Whonix + tails +debian.= WHOA>>. That would be awesome
221[01:12:55] <mutante> MarioMey: there is "apt-get -f install" to ignore some depdency issues or so, but can't ignore that a package simply doesnt exist.. afaict
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225[01:17:11] <IHaveNoName> mutante
226[01:17:18] <IHaveNoName> Ive used virtua
227[01:17:24] <IHaveNoName> *virtualenv
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229[01:17:32] <IHaveNoName> And idk what to do now
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232[01:18:35] <IHaveNoName> I got to go ill be back tomorrow after school (senior school
233[01:18:36] <IHaveNoName> )
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297[01:58:25] <Mathisen> dumb question but you did update also i hope :)
298[01:58:56] <Mathisen> nevermind i cant read
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303[01:59:44] <Mathisen> rebooted ?
304[01:59:51] <Mathisen> kernel updates
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324[02:03:34] <mutante> are you sure that actually reads from the output of lsb_release -a ?
325[02:03:53] <Mathisen> also what is output from uname -r ?
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330[02:04:37] <xboot> ,v virtualbox-guest-additions-iso
331[02:04:38] <judd> Package: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.1.18-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 4.3.18-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 4.3.18-3; jessie-backports/non-free: 5.1.8-1~bpo8+1; buster/non-free: 5.1.22-1; sid/non-free: 5.1.22-1
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333[02:05:07] <Guest2429> Cc argentina i need
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344[02:07:29] * Mathisen is lost
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360[02:09:49] <antis_000> replaced-url
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382[02:17:48] <Mathisen> this is getting confusing now, so you upgraded to sid then changed back to buster
383[02:17:55] <Mathisen> so you realy want to downgrade ?
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392[02:18:39] <Guest2429> 14213935 4548500015550437 04/19 060 CLAUD LENTINELLO Address City State ZIP ARGENTINA Phone gggd 28.01-ARmixP2 Check Mon, 01/05/2017 - 06:37 NOT
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398[02:21:32] <Mathisen> replaced-url
399[02:21:46] <Mathisen> does not sound stable at all
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410[02:23:16] <jmcnaught> !ops Guest2429
411[02:23:17] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: Guest2429
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423[02:28:47] <xboot> what should i use on debian: icedove or thunderbird?
424[02:28:57] <xboot> for better support and privacy
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427[02:30:20] <johhny> Hi, I cannot use Postfix with an ECC Cert+Key "no shared cipher"
428[02:30:49] <johhny> tls_high_cipherlist = AES128+EECDH:AES128+EDH
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433[02:31:39] <xboot> ,v icedove
434[02:31:40] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3; buster: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:52.2.0-1
435[02:31:43] <xboot> ,v thunderbird
436[02:31:44] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; buster: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:52.2.0-1
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464[02:55:08] <dunderproto> Are any system components in debian written in c++? I'm wondering if it is a language worth learning
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468[02:57:28] <mutante> dunderproto: quote from Linus " "In fact, in Linux we did try C++ once already, back in 1992. It sucks. Trust me - writing kernel code in C++ is a BLOODY STUPID IDEA."
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470[02:57:40] <mutante> dunderproto: i don't claim i know anything, just quoting :)
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473[02:57:57] <dunderproto> mutante: I do recall a lot of hatred towards c++
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475[02:58:35] <mutante> dunderproto: found it again on replaced-url
476[02:58:48] <dvs> dunderproto, jealously! ;-)
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479[03:01:14] <fsparr0w> Hi
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482[03:02:04] <jmcnaught> dunderproto: there's a debtag implemented-in::c++ so you can search for software written in C++ using aptitude's search filter for debtags: "aptitude search ~Gimplemented-in::c++"
483[03:02:18] <TomG2> apt is the lowest-level Debian component written in C I know offhand
484[03:02:22] <TomG2> I mean, C++
485[03:02:52] <TomG2> I don't think you should learn C++, just go to replaced-url
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488[03:03:07] <dunderproto> jmcnaught: thanks, I forgot about that
489[03:03:32] <jmcnaught> dunderproto: learning a language like C++ would not be a waste of your time, there's quite a bit that you would be able to transfer to other languages. If it's your first language, you might feel more productive at an earlier point if you learn a dynamic language like Python or PHP
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495[03:08:47] <metrix> I am getting the following error starting mariadb.service: Failed at step NO_NEW_PRIVILEGES spawning /usr/sbin/mysqld: Invalid argument
496[03:09:05] <metrix> when upgrading to stretch.. any suggestion on what to do to fix this?
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499[03:10:36] <jmcnaught> metrix: what kernel are you currently running?
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590[03:51:00] <m8r[m]> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: MoDaXaS Stummi kinopu ikanobori dunderproto peteski apollojustice BenderRodriguez thims cronic bobvador HeWho ygeLN dirac1 soahccc serban johnnyfive simbalion SpeedBus |DM| degenerate Cyph3r tomreyn lmnt LambdaComplex smashag pmn bitblit Bonn333 sim590 LjL nix-7 medicalwei Phil` spont4e rebrec slugmx electro7 rudi_s Linuturk Shahnaz dvs geir_ me4 olegfusion Hydroxide awhitlock8 tx s
591[03:51:00] <nspoyp> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: sparty kolla AntiSpamMeta Kev- kimico rxo IdleGandalf hassoon juhop cnu- rogst tobiasBora grift melvin Guest90954 ajp fonshua egos esainane zwamkat ramshadow zz_phar6oor croddy riot Riviera- funabashi jonty petn-randall sobkas Penix psmolen ^GoD^ Janhouse ValodiaDeSeynes _aeris_ SkIzZaTo incal adan0s grey_ thuk Piper-Off plicease nickle k4tfish rax0 kneekoo2 LeandroLuiz monoxane indrora digdilem
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594[03:51:00] <ahqvag> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: mpmc allorder disi sputnik Namidairo Amplificator Orochimarufan Anarchic hue k4y4mm Celelibi Subfusc pipeep jtdowney Dreadnaught Rubin royiv medicalwei Messenger_bird nickstenn kwmiebach krups paulgrmn NoCode Ben64 CEnnis91 gre mingdao thiagoss riot refresher rebrec agustafson s0ph0s GhostInTheShell peter5 CompWizrd kirb shinnya hexa- CrazyyMaxx Guest21400 Junaos Vorap nse1 cyphase ceptor MoDaXaS cef deetwelve
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596[03:51:00] <qvxlwhlu> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: gwolf23 kingsley_ kimico juantelez MyIgel robsta_sa kruug WARBIRD199 lmnt ffernand Hijiri sc_ nux_ pelegreno_____ abff cnu- KindOne elik_ JasonO n-st clickjack Bryanstein benj_ dondelelcaro rdococ evotopid Darby_Crash matix rxo kInOzAwA hycer tugrik Immanuel karlamrhein tharkun HeOS treegor Mortumm_ tadz bdeferme petn-randall jmanfatty hexnewbie themill Cerise_ p0rt- bzed serban ygeLN dmakeyev
597[03:51:00] <ahqvag> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: Trellmor pvoigt kalebo fauweh renzhi CapsAdmin xcin gonyere fasdfd evotopid elkmoose RT_FM srbvcp tobias1 Andy80 sysanthrope Rhuarc themill Aeon- karakedi clorophormo ^GoD^ Orbitrix Weeezy_ Spec at0m anuxivm jken pixel_yo tx Noah0504 Mmike dos1 royiv EnergyCoffee__ Blanco pseubodot gareth__ Orphis Hijiri quite dexta Scotteh MasterNayru Poster pixdam Janhouse qtch_ przemoc Dan_au
598[03:51:00] <srbvcp> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: boser CrazyEddy thustra obiwahn RTFM[away] Relicka abrotman jolt Almtesh adamus1red rjsalts x10 Brian|2 toruvinn colo-work jkw xanacas blue CompWizrd Ralin3 pmn ozzloy Pseudo Kev- spooky Stummi boubou Apeiron` jhill roniez ygeLN ludocode_ p0ly3d3r_ hays tur superrorc DoctorD90 redrabbit eldritch debchange Eryn_1983_FL KindOne NeilHanlon ws2k3 phogg Saar kuldeep verboese yokisuci pixdamix
599[03:51:00] <ggjjhz[m]> quicktalkeh676te.onion/6697: dasher00 x-melle LambdaComplex evotopid kexiq KNERD linuxthefish ValodiaDeSeynes ujjain davascript x42 nickstenn sondr3 celyr rdz pierrot n0nada jhutchins phorce1_home ShockingIsntIt chrissl xcin Bercik aaronr ghoti nbastin bpsecret Hestben jesopo waynr mRokita Orphis cbdev james41382 gareth__ passstab xanacas Igel_ ASpacy anuxivm ikanobori oberstein sach MoDaXaS bzed jabbslad CrazyEddy terr1 geir_ Kurocon_
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612[03:51:11] <ASpacy> rip
613[03:51:13] <kneekoo2> again?!
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616[03:51:29] <jf0o23> every day at this same time...
617[03:51:59] <ASpacy> mute the channel at this time tomorrow!
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622[04:00:03] <NoCode> Daily occurrence. holy shit.
623[04:00:20] <Noah0504> What the heck was all that?
624[04:02:19] <jmcnaught> it's spam, the network does its best to deal with it, talking about it just adds to the noise
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627[04:04:13] <tx> They should reconsider their use of onion links if they want to reach a larger user base.
628[04:04:16] <tx> 0.5 / 10.
629[04:04:50] <slugmx> looks like its an irc server accessible via tor, no?
630[04:04:55] <tx> yes
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632[04:05:16] <Svetlana> replaced-url
633[04:05:24] <Svetlana> btc the end
634[04:05:27] <Svetlana> replaced-url
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650[04:08:55] <tx> Oh my.
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662[04:11:41] <mrt> hello
663[04:11:45] <mrt> soy nuevo aqui
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668[04:13:00] <bazhang> does #debian have the language offshoot channels
669[04:13:47] <dvs> yes
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671[04:14:08] <bazhang> such as #debian-es then
672[04:14:13] <dvs> yes
673[04:14:16] <dvs> !es
674[04:14:17] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
675[04:14:23] <bazhang> cheers
676[04:14:37] <dvs> ciao
677[04:15:08] <bazhang> !cn
678[04:15:09] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
679[04:15:12] <jmcnaught> bazhang: a good list here: replaced-url
680[04:15:24] <jmcnaught> (not just languages)
681[04:15:29] <bazhang> thanks jmcnaught
682[04:15:45] <bazhang> loco/lugs too
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738[04:38:46] <altker128> Hey guys. I think a Debian mirror is missing a package which is causing a failure on installation . How do I report this?
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763[04:52:43] <jcarder> can someone help me with Debian 9 installation, I'm having some weird problems.
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770[04:55:21] <mandeep> jcarder: what problems
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773[04:55:55] <jcarder> I installed the live deb9 kde 64bit ISO onto a bootable usb drive, then I tested it out on my windows 7 pc, it all worked fine, after this I tried it on my win10 laptop and it will boot but once in the gui it, every few seconds it crashes saying something about 'sddm'
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775[04:56:32] <jcarder> both laptop and desktop are in legacy
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777[04:56:39] <jcarder> and both 64 bit
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793[05:05:33] <jcarder> anyone have suggestions
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958[07:08:56] <pragomer> I used autologin in stretch with mate de like this in lightdm.conf: replaced-url
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967[07:14:12] <pragomer> so how to use autologin in debian with the possibility to logout if I want?
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970[07:15:22] <jmcnaught> pragomer: did you ask in #ubuntu? Unity isn't in Debian :P
971[07:15:36] <pragomer> I am only using debian with mate
972[07:16:00] <pragomer> there is the word unity in that file because I copied and pasted it somewhre from internet
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974[07:16:44] <jmcnaught> oh i see. have you tried a different value for the timeout than 0?
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977[07:17:07] <pragomer> not yet. doing it now and I will be back in few minutes
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986[07:22:05] <pragomer> did not work. I set timout to 5.. dpkg-reconfigured lightdm and rebootet. after that I landed in tty and had to login there and startx
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989[07:23:11] <jmcnaught> !confnew
990[07:23:11] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
991[07:23:40] <jmcnaught> pragomer: if you want to reset the config file to default ^^ and then start over
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996[07:26:37] <nvz> blah.. idk if this is a hw issue, or a kernel bug my system has been sluggish for a couple hours and i thought it was just the load, but ive now stopped all non essential progs and svcs only to see the prob remains, cpu cores are spiking intermittantly, and nothing running seems to be doing it, so i start checking logs and i see dmsg flooded completly full with [ARISC ERROR] :hw message queue fifo full
997[07:26:43] <nvz> timeout about every 8 seconds with the same address info
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999[07:27:26] <nvz> idk what fifo this is, but im pretty sure the kernel or hw was suppose to clear it or something
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1003[07:29:13] <dka_> How can I install make on debian jessie ?
1004[07:29:35] <dka_> I have tried "apt-get install make" but ""E: Package 'make' has no installation candidate""
1005[07:29:59] <jmcnaught> ,v make
1006[07:30:01] <judd> Package: make on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.81-8.2; jessie: 4.0-8.1; buster: 4.1-9.1; sid: 4.1-9.1; stretch: 4.1-9.1
1007[07:30:05] <nvz> dka_: apt-get install build-essential
1008[07:30:38] <jmcnaught> dka_: you probably have a problem with your sources. they should look like the example on this page: replaced-url
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1011[07:31:22] <jmcnaught> and yes, build-essential will also pull in other packages often used together with make
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1013[07:31:57] <nvz> youre not gonna 'make' much without the rest of the utils
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1016[07:36:23] <nvz> i had better reboot i suppose, my fifo became a nino
1017[07:36:41] <nvz> nothing in nothing out
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1030[07:45:21] <dka_> E: Unable to locate package build-essential
1031[07:45:22] <dka_> The command '/bin/sh -c apt-get install build-essential -y' returned a non-zero code: 100
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1034[07:46:21] <jmcnaught> dka_: check your sources, i gave you a link above with info and an example
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1037[07:46:31] <dka_> jmcnaught, I am using an image
1038[07:46:34] <dka_> FROM buildpack-deps:jessie-scm
1039[07:46:41] <dka_> it's docker, I am failing during the build
1040[07:47:02] <jmcnaught> your docker image does not have /etc/apt/sources.list configured properly
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1057[08:01:45] <nvz> whats the term for subtitles that are encoded into a video but not hardcoded so they can be turned off?
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1062[08:04:00] <mortal> softcoded
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1103[08:37:28] <pingfloyd> anyone else having troubles communicating to security.debian.org via apt-get update?
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1116[08:45:16] <jmcnaught> pingfloyd: it was a little slow for me but it came through eventually. if you're still having trouble you could also try replaced-url
1117[08:46:36] <pingfloyd> thanks. It's no big deal, just wanted to verify the problems wasn't on my end.
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1135[08:54:49] <pingfloyd> yep, looks like it goes through if I'm real patient with it
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1144[09:00:02] <dka_> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1145[09:00:05] <dka_> How do I fix this ?
1146[09:00:13] <dka_> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
1147[09:00:13] <dka_> The command '/bin/sh -c apt-get -y update && /container/tool/add-service-available :ssl-tools && LC_ALL=C DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y --force-yes --no-install-recommends ldap-utils openssl slapd && apt-get clean && rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* /tmp/* /var/tmp/*' returned a non-zero code: 100
1148[09:00:13] <dka_> Makefile:9: recipe for target 'build' failed
1149[09:00:23] <jer0me> wait for security to come back maybe
1150[09:00:38] <dka_> you can't ping it ?
1151[09:00:48] <jer0me> 100% [Connecting to security.debian.org (128.101.240.215)]
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1155[09:01:04] <dka_> 100% what?
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1157[09:01:12] <jer0me> I just joined no check status
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1161[09:01:25] <jer0me> dka_: this is the output of apt-get update
1162[09:01:39] <dka_> so is security down or up?
1163[09:02:01] <jer0me> dka_: down I guess. I don't know the reason.
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1165[09:03:08] <dka_> 64 bytes from setoguchi.debian.org (133.242.99.74): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=617 ms
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1170[09:03:47] <dka_> can anyone confirm is security is up or down ?
1171[09:03:56] <dka_> I can ping and I can access http service
1172[09:04:44] <klys> it was up and slow last anyone said anything. you can use replaced-url
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1179[09:06:13] <jer0me> dka_: maybe try without ipv6
1180[09:06:18] <jer0me> dka_: -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true
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1182[09:06:46] <jelly> works for me, but I get mirrors in europe not that one
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1187[09:07:29] <funabashi> Hi guys, how can i see bandwidth with the wget command ?
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1210[09:16:43] <pingfloyd> dka_: I think it is on their end, and you just have to wait it out
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1213[09:17:34] <pingfloyd> seems to be working now for me
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1241[09:34:54] <Wulf> Good Morning!
1242[09:35:23] <Wulf> Is there a way to blacklist a package so it won't get installed by apt-get or aptitude?
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1262[09:45:58] <makalu> can I install recommended packages of a package AFTER I've already installed the package?
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1265[09:46:34] <makalu> I installed xfce4 with --no-install-recommends and it's relatively lacking
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1270[09:49:57] <makalu> ok I can use "apt-cache depends". Not ideal but it's helpful.
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1286[10:03:28] <jmcnaught> makalu: try doing a search with aptitude's reverse dependency filter like: "aptitude search ~Rrecommends:task-xfce-desktop" for the xfce task package. If the list looks okay, you can replace 'search' with 'install' in the aptitude command
1287[10:03:42] <jmcnaught> on a new stretch install you'll need to install aptitude
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1289[10:04:50] <fraggeln> Hello dear people
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1291[10:05:22] <fraggeln> I have a small issue with preseeding, replaced-url
1292[10:05:30] <fraggeln> how can I supress this warning in the preseed file?
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1295[10:05:49] <fraggeln> replaced-url
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1300[10:06:51] <fraggeln> Using stretch btw.
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1317[10:14:49] <shodan`> After the Stretch upgrade a lot of stuff broke and I'm having a hard time fixing it. Things like iSCSI breaking etc
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1319[10:15:07] <shodan`> Any way of fixing this issue? "iscsid: can not create NETLINK_ISCSI socket"
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1322[10:16:52] <EFPS> Morning from Germany isend there a Screenshot gui for lightdm debian wheezy
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1326[10:18:30] <towo^work> EFPS, what?
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1333[10:21:55] <pragomer> how so autostart a script (independently from desktop environment, using i3) under stretch?
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1348[10:27:03] <mabynogy> hello
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1351[10:29:36] <Wulf> never mind, found replaced-url
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1355[10:31:37] <TTSC> Morning - Do any of you have experience running Vmware Workstation on Stretch? I have a hell of a time getting 9.0.4 to work, considdering throwing money at the problem and upgrading to 12.x but not sure it'll help any
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1360[10:34:44] <spacemn> Hi all, I have a problem with a tplink wireless NIC (PCIE) chipset is Atheros AR9287, with Stretch tranfer speed is lower than 30 Mbit/s (iperf3 with another Debian box connected to the AP via ethernet), a Dell notebook is above 80 Mbit/s again with iperf3, with Jessie never noticed slow transfers
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1362[10:35:06] <familiargalaxy> pragomer: edit /etc/rc.local and add the location of script
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1364[10:35:36] <spacemn> I suspect an issue with regulatory domain, as the iw command reports CN (China) as country
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1367[10:36:43] <spacemn> I already set my country code in /etc/default/crda but it's somewhat ignored
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1370[10:37:58] <familiargalaxy> mabynogy: hello
1371[10:38:03] <spacemn> I think I've read someone suggest a tplink broken firmware
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1373[10:38:29] <mabynogy> hi familiargalaxy
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1385[10:41:59] <spacemn> I'm tempted to fix it modifying the wireless-regdb package, ah with a Dell notebook iperf3 reports more than 80 Mbit/s
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1419[11:02:10] <eugenmayer> my debian server crashed and now, on starting it, it just stallls on the mysql service, printing dots for minutes. Any way to stop mysql from starting to see what the acual issue is?
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1424[11:04:04] <fraggeln> eugenmayer: boot up in single user mode.
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1458[11:19:41] <chumphries> it should only print dots for a set period of time before the startup script assumes the service didn't' start. Are you unable to ssh into the server? If you can, you can stop and start the service manually to see.
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1462[11:20:47] <jim> if I am using the efi frame buffer rather than the vga frame buffer, do the virtual consoles use that frame buffer? how can I control the font size? (used to be, I'd start by booting with kernel parameter vga=ask, that still work?)
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1467[11:22:15] <andre144k> hi all
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1470[11:24:40] <andre144k> i installed a new debian 9 system - and changed "/etc/network/interfaces" to static ipv4-address: replaced-url
1471[11:24:55] <chumphries> jim: wish I knew, never did that before. curious to know the answer
1472[11:25:00] <chumphries> morning andre144k
1473[11:25:26] <chumphries> (relative to me anyhow)
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1475[11:26:08] <jim> ok, thanks
1476[11:26:09] <andre144k> after restarting service via "systemctl restart networking.service" i have only interface lo, not ens32
1477[11:26:15] <andre144k> and no networking connection
1478[11:26:27] <andre144k> after rebooting it works fine again
1479[11:26:32] <jim> what dist
1480[11:26:37] <andre144k> anyone have an idea?
1481[11:26:42] <andre144k> debian 9
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1483[11:27:37] <jim> debian? then look at /etc/network/interfaces, and maybe pastebin that... you can: cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbin.com 9999
1484[11:28:12] <andre144k> @jim: replaced-url
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1490[11:30:40] <jim> looks good...
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1493[11:31:07] <andre144k> yes, its working after rebooting perfect
1494[11:31:19] <andre144k> but - not after restarting networking-service
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1496[11:31:36] <jim> you say you "have" only that interface... can you reproduce the situation, then look at ifconfig -a to see what interfaces are there?
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1500[11:33:37] <andre144k> ifconfig -a is showing ens32 - without ip-address
1501[11:33:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
1502[11:34:03] <jim> hi
1503[11:34:23] <BluesKaj> hi jim
1504[11:34:54] <andre144k> i can reproduce the problem - when i restart networking service after reboot, same problem
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1512[11:37:18] <jim> andre144k, I wonder if dmesg shows anything interesting right after you restart the networking service
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1522[11:42:49] <Iridos> andre144k, I think you can have "auto ens32" and allow-hotplug ens32 both… and should
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1562[12:01:12] <forcerecon> How did the security advisory get the logo for debian in the top of the emails
1563[12:01:16] <forcerecon> that is freaking awesome
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1566[12:01:52] <andre144k> Iridos, jim "allow-hotpung ens32" was default after setup
1567[12:01:54] <forcerecon> its only the one from Sebastien though
1568[12:02:08] <andre144k> i didnt changed
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1576[12:02:49] <jim> that's what makes it put up the interface at boot
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1579[12:03:33] <andre144k> ahh - it works fine wih "auto ens32"
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1581[12:03:46] <Freenoodle> hi, it seems mozilla.debian.net has discontinued, replaced-url
1582[12:03:53] <andre144k> thnx Iridos, jim - problem solved :)
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1585[12:04:53] <jim> good job :)
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1590[12:07:50] <jim> Freenoodle, I tried the address, the site does respond, it does look like something's discontinued because rust is needed to build it
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1593[12:08:55] <andre144k> jim, yes - yours :)
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1602[12:11:58] <Tylertwo> Hey, I'm trying to read a SD card. I have a SD -> USB device, but my computer doesn't seem to recognize it. I've ran lsusb and dmesg | tail and whatnot, and the outputs are the same with the card connected or not. Any ideas?
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1605[12:13:17] <andre144k> arg - next problem....
1606[12:13:48] <oerheks> Tylertwo, it can be 2 causes: 1. the reader cannot read your card, limited size like 16 gb rr 32 gb. 2. the reader is not supported.
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1609[12:14:21] <andre144k> i changed static ipadress in "/etc/network/interfaces" - after restarting service i have old adress again :-/ (systemctl stop networking; systemctl start networking)
1610[12:14:26] <Freenoodle> jim, Wondering why firefox isn't in Debian backports instead...
1611[12:14:34] <Tylertwo> oerheks, hm, its a inateck reader
1612[12:14:52] <oerheks> Tylertwo, does it work on an other machine with linux?
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1614[12:15:23] <Tylertwo> oerheks, My friend has a Mac and it doesn't really work for him either.. so it could be the hardware?
1615[12:15:26] <BluesKaj> Tylertwo, try a sdcard reader rather then a usb, had the same problem, the sdcard reader worked
1616[12:15:56] <oerheks> Tylertwo, broken hardware, possible option 3, yes
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1620[12:18:05] <oerheks> not having a lsusb output makes determination more difficult too. maybe it is a known issue.
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1623[12:19:53] <Tylertwo> oerheks, replaced-url
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1628[12:21:15] <sinelaw> Hi, what's the difference between the packages libdwarf-freebsd-dev and libdwarf-dev? What exactly does "FreeBSD version" mean for this library?
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1630[12:21:21] <oerheks> line #8 8ff:2810] AuthenTec, Inc. AES2810 is a fingerprint reader
1631[12:21:37] <oerheks> so it does not show up :-(
1632[12:21:43] <sinelaw> is it the same library just packaged differently, or completely different implementations?
1633[12:21:51] <Tylertwo> BluesKaj, what's the difference between a sdcard reader and what I'm describing?
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1636[12:23:05] <sinelaw> I see the freebsd one comes from freebsd-libs source package, and the plain one comes from dwarfutils
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1643[12:28:14] <Tylertwo> Thanks for the ideas.
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1648[12:30:24] <BluesKaj> oops too late...
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1771[13:36:18] <Cl0udN9ne> is 151.8.101.204 a debian link?
1772[13:36:18] <Cl0udN9ne> s/link/ip
1773[13:36:18] <Cl0udN9ne> bcoz its accessing my laptop and getting changelogs about various softawares in my laptop
1774[13:36:57] <Cl0udN9ne> all i know tht its a corporate conn and situated in san francisco
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1777[13:37:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps what part of this is my pci stubs ?
1778[13:38:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1402 (rev a1)
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1780[13:41:12] <Cl0udN9ne> whats worring me is tht even after multiple tries at blocking it with iptables it wasnt being blocked
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1783[13:42:14] <tremolo> Eryn_1983_FL: PCI ID? It's not there. try `lspci -nn`
1784[13:42:29] <funabashi> hi guys ist possible to restart a process with kill command ?
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1786[13:42:54] <tremolo> That should get you a line like this: "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02)" where the PCI ID is 8086:0046
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1791[13:46:26] <familiargalaxy> funabashi: yes it is possible
1792[13:46:41] <babilen> Cl0udN9ne: Why do you think it's a Debian related IP and why would Debian "accessing my laptop and getting changelogs about various softawares in my laptop" in the first place?
1793[13:46:45] <familiargalaxy> but only for the ones installed through apt and not manually compiled
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1799[13:47:23] <Cl0udN9ne> babilen: im just guessing,no other meanings
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1802[13:48:02] <Cl0udN9ne> i get this crazy ips connecting to my laptop and accessing data from me
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1805[13:48:12] <babilen> Cl0udN9ne: Okay, start at the beginning: How do you know that it is accessing your laptop (as in incoming) or providing changelogs ?
1806[13:48:19] <mrr0butt> Cl0udN9ne, you could try to find out which proces it is
1807[13:48:21] <mrr0butt> netstat -A inet -p
1808[13:48:22] <Cl0udN9ne> just getting to know more about whats going on
1809[13:48:31] <tremolo> Cl0udN9ne: What makes you think that it is getting changelogs? By what mechanism?
1810[13:48:50] <Cl0udN9ne> tremolo: i checked it via wireshark
1811[13:48:50] <mrr0butt> this will show ip and pid of process accessing this ip
1812[13:48:57] <funabashi> familiargalaxy: which command ?
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1814[13:49:03] <Cl0udN9ne> mrr0butt: i could like to know how
1815[13:49:14] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
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1817[13:50:22] <funabashi> familiargalaxy: replaced-url
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1819[13:51:10] <Cl0udN9ne> babilen: its this morning...i opened my laptop and while i was waiting for my browser to update,i saw my network graph in conky go high ...so i checked netstat and found this ip besides freenode some ip connected to my computer on some port(45xxx,i dont remember)
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1822[13:51:47] <Cl0udN9ne> so i tried to block it using iptables and iptables-save,had 5 or so entries but it didnt still get blocked
1823[13:52:18] <Cl0udN9ne> atm trying seeing the wireshark guides to get to know whats happening
1824[13:52:26] <tremolo> Cl0udN9ne: Are you sure it wasn't your computer connecting, as for an apt update?
1825[13:52:40] <Cl0udN9ne> no,i didnt do an apt-update
1826[13:53:01] <funabashi> pkill -HUP <process> ?
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1828[13:54:02] <familiargalaxy> funabashi: yes kill -HUP <PID>
1829[13:54:13] <funabashi> but if it has 3 pids?
1830[13:54:16] <Cl0udN9ne> all i know is its trying to check and download debian packagee changelogs(via wireshark),the ip is a corporate ip and located in san francisco,and tht it downloaded some one hundred mb of data
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1834[13:55:45] <familiargalaxy> funabashi: try them one by one
1835[13:56:27] <funabashi> familiargalaxy: what about kill `pidof dropbox`
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1837[13:56:34] <mrr0butt> run: netstat -A inet -p | grep 151\.8\.101\.204
1838[13:56:35] <funabashi> dropbear*
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1840[13:57:09] <mrr0butt> the last column is pid/name
1841[13:57:33] <tremolo> or: killall -HUP dropbear
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1846[13:59:04] <familiargalaxy> funabashi: use killall in that case as such : killall -HUP <PID>
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1850[13:59:50] <familiargalaxy> or replace <PID> with dropbear if necessary
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1857[14:01:17] <funabashi> it didnt restart :/
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1875[14:06:32] <jmcnaught> funabashi: how did you start dropbear?
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1882[14:09:36] <familiargalaxy> funabashi: try killall -1 dropbear
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1886[14:12:18] <funabashi> replaced-url
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1889[14:12:52] <familiargalaxy> funabashi: ??
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1892[14:18:00] <jmcnaught> if you didn't start dropbear manually, then you should be using systemctl to restart it
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1894[14:18:49] <Mahe> Cl0udN9ne, check if the package "apt-config-auto-update" is installed
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1900[14:20:33] <Mahe> Cl0udN9ne, also check for "APT::Periodic::*" entries in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* files
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1911[14:23:52] <Cl0udN9ne> Mahe: dpkg -l | grep apt-config gives nothing
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1948[14:44:10] <xboot> my debian Stretch keeps changing constantly the DNS of at resolv.conf, i am using LXDE and Wicd
1949[14:44:20] <xboot> i have removed avahi daemon
1950[14:44:34] <xboot> i have indicated manual DNS servers in Wicd for my wireless connection
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1955[14:45:37] <xboot> but waiting some 5 or more minutes it changes to the gateways' IP in resolv.conf
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1957[14:45:45] <xboot> what is a script i need to look at?
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1972[14:52:04] <forcerecon> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.9.0-3-amd64 (x86_64)
1973[14:52:04] <forcerecon> Consult /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/15.9/build/make.log for more information.
1974[14:52:04] <forcerecon> Consult /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox-guest/4.3.36/build/make.log for more information.
1975[14:52:16] <forcerecon> got some issues with the dist-upgrade today
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1979[14:54:19] <lesik__> hey, I installed pk-update-icon for it to alert me about updates. pk-update-icon is running, but I don't get any notification, even though updates are available.
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1986[14:56:31] <zykotick9> xboot: YMMV, but i personally uninstall revolvconf if my resolv.conf is getting changed against my will...
1987[14:57:42] <towo^work> forcerecon, fglrx is dead
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1989[14:57:58] <towo^work> forcerecon, remove that useless piece of software
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1993[14:58:32] <towo^work> forcerecon, and why you use such ancient version of vbox?
1994[14:58:50] <forcerecon> hey I didnt install them
1995[14:58:56] <forcerecon> and I don't use vbox
1996[14:59:03] <forcerecon> maybe at one point I tried it..
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1998[14:59:07] <forcerecon> not even sure any more
1999[14:59:21] <towo^work> it will not install itself
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2004[15:00:13] <forcerecon> well fglrx must have because it is not something I installed
2005[15:00:18] <forcerecon> not manually
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2008[15:00:49] <towo^work> forcerecon, no!
2009[15:01:03] <towo^work> forcerecon, fglrx is never installed by default
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2011[15:01:28] <forcerecon> well offer up some suggestions as to how it was installed through what package
2012[15:01:30] <forcerecon> I did not install it
2013[15:01:31] <jelly> same goes for vbox
2014[15:01:42] <forcerecon> vbox I probably installed
2015[15:01:47] <forcerecon> was trying it over vmware at one point
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2025[15:09:37] <lesik__> aptitude why fglrx
2026[15:09:50] <lesik__> ^to find out whether fglrx was pulled in as dependency, rather than installed manually
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2028[15:09:55] <lesik__> (highly unlikely though)
2029[15:10:38] <forcerecon> I am going to check I am currently doing a vmware installation on that laptop as well as it being remote, so I cannot access the terminal at the moment ..
2030[15:10:46] <forcerecon> I will check when I am done..
2031[15:10:48] <forcerecon> thanks
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2042[15:15:34] <sioux_> hi. i'm trying to install debian 9 (amd64) netinstall (usb boot with unetbootin or YUMI) on hp proliant ml350. When i try set up address ip manual, show that one error occurr and can´t set up. If i try same config on my laptop, runs right.
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2049[15:19:47] <Lyberta> how to fix this warning replaced-url
2050[15:20:25] <sypher> Lyberta: Did you search for said warning on the internet?
2051[15:20:40] <Lyberta> sypher, not yet
2052[15:20:46] <zykotick9> sioux_: notes #1 - unetbootin & yumi are BAD ideas to use with debian ISOs and #2 the ethernet in that proliant ml350 appears to require non-free firmware (or drivers) but i found one link online that said the unofficial/non-free netins has the requirements to have it work. best of luck.
2053[15:20:49] <louiz> you should probably do that first
2054[15:21:09] <sypher> Lyberta: Go do that.
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2056[15:21:37] <towo^work> Lyberta, you have set a non existent UUID for Resume in the config
2057[15:21:53] <towo^work> so the fix is, put the right UUID in there
2058[15:21:58] <Lyberta> towo^work, where is that file? I didn't do that myself
2059[15:22:18] <sypher> towo^work: The answer to his issue is easily found on the internet, and it's not what you're describing.
2060[15:22:33] <sypher> Lyberta: I suggest searching for your issue, as I said previously.
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2062[15:23:13] <sioux_> zykotick9: #1 i will try Win32diskimager. #2 when detecting hardware don´t show any message to insert non-free firmware. How can i install this?
2063[15:23:29] <zykotick9> !firmware image
2064[15:23:29] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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2068[15:25:14] <sioux_> zykotick9: so, i will try with this image ?
2069[15:25:21] <zykotick9> sioux_: i have NO experience with your hardware, i just saw replaced-url
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2075[15:29:06] <sioux_> zykotick9: thanks man! i will try this
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2077[15:29:26] <sioux_> zykotick9: gratefulness man! :)
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2094[15:36:18] <PurpleMinion> Are there any themes available for Debian stretch xfce?
2095[15:36:32] <lesik__> PurpleMinion: greybird and blackbird from xubuntu
2096[15:36:49] <greycat> "apt-cache search xfce theme" gives me some results
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2099[15:38:02] <PurpleMinion> Can't use that atm, don't have my Linux laptop with me
2100[15:38:12] <greycat> ...
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2102[15:38:47] <greycat> "Does anyone have any tampons?" "Oh, no, I don't actually want one. I'm male."
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2105[15:39:43] <PurpleMinion> I should actually be doing school stuff but I don't feel like, so I'm looking up themes so I don't have to that when I get home :P
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2123[15:45:28] <AndreeeCZ> hello! I am booting jessie over NFS. The boot sequence reaches "[ OK ] Started Update UTMP about System Boot/Shutdown." And then hangs on "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interf...18s / no limit)" and then on "nfs: server 192.168.15.1 not responding, still trying"
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2125[15:45:55] <AndreeeCZ> always at this exact spot. NFS works obvisously, since we got this far down the systemd boot process.
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2127[15:46:35] <AndreeeCZ> Can i prevent systemd from waiting for that LSB job?
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2129[15:47:11] <cheapie> What makes you think NFS works?
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2132[15:47:31] <AndreeeCZ> cheapie, because it read all the systemd scripts and got me this far
2133[15:47:55] <greycat> But this is the job that *brings up the network*. Look past the stupid fucking "LSB" to the actual words.
2134[15:48:02] <cheapie> From the initrd, yes, but the root FS (NFS) isn't mounted yet.
2135[15:48:05] <greycat> If this job fails, you have no network, and therefore no NFS.
2136[15:48:19] <AndreeeCZ> after the kernel booted (from tftp), i got a message "Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)!", which it had to get over NFS
2137[15:48:28] <AndreeeCZ> i see
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2141[15:49:41] <AndreeeCZ> ok i get it, thank you
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2166[16:02:53] <AndreeeCZ> cheapie, how can i debug this, since the system isn't booted yet, i can't access it via ssh etc ?
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2186[16:14:20] <forcerecon> I have noticed that lots of files that get installed have the letters girl in them.. What does this stand for or is it just a dev thing
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2189[16:16:19] <mtn> those devs are just wild and wacky guys
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2203[16:20:27] <greycat> forcerecon: are you saying you ran "locate girl"?
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2207[16:21:34] <sypher> greycat: And Debian's popularity suddenly skyrockets...
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2225[16:29:43] <forcerecon> vbox has what is called guestadditions.. does vmware have this as well or is vmware tools the equal
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2232[16:32:07] <jelly> forcerecon: open-vm-tools or vmware-tools are the equivalent
2233[16:32:33] <forcerecon> thats what I figured but thanks for the confirmation
2234[16:32:38] <forcerecon> appreciated
2235[16:32:56] <jelly> note that open-vm-tools is split into multiple packages
2236[16:33:12] <jelly> not everyone needs desktop integration
2237[16:33:34] <jelly> apt-cache search open-vm-tools
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2267[16:51:00] <unkmar> Yay me. I don't know what I did when that gives me this annoying message. "Current Kerberos password:" But I want it gone. Help me?
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2269[16:51:59] <unkmar> And I know that I am on a version of Debian that means this will likely be the last time I get help until I reinstall..... AGAIN!
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2271[16:52:39] <greycat> What version of Debian is it, and what do you type that produces that prompt?
2272[16:53:10] <unkmar> It was the latest version, until about a week ago.
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2274[16:53:18] <greycat> cat /etc/debian_version
2275[16:53:23] <unkmar> 8.6
2276[16:53:28] <unkmar> I was doing that. :)
2277[16:53:34] <greycat> OK, you're a few point releases behind on 8.x but that's fine
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2280[16:55:15] <greycat> Plenty of people are still on Debian 7 and 8.
2281[16:55:22] <unkmar> I think my problem arose from rdesktop issues months ago. I installed rdesktop and eventually just resorted to telling the windows system to accept weaker password setup or whatever it was called.
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2285[16:56:40] <unkmar> greycat: I'm still on 7 with one system. And that is starting to cause me problems. :( Sad too, old laptopt that might not handle an upgrade well. Each *update* requires stronger hardware. Not just becaues of the OS, but because of other things on top of it. Java and such.
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2287[16:57:14] <greycat> It's true. Sometimes a given machine just can't be updated.
2288[16:57:17] <unkmar> Any how. suggestions to solve my current issue?
2289[16:57:33] <greycat> I don't know krb/windows stuff very well, but what command are you running that gives that prompt?
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2293[16:58:32] <unkmar> sudo adduser new_user and sudo passwd new_user In other words. every attempt to set or change a password even as root.
2294[16:58:58] <greycat> Sounds like a PAM thing, maybe.
2295[16:59:35] <greycat> Is libpam-krb5 installed? If so, maybe you want to remove it... but please understand that this is not a thing I use myself.
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2297[16:59:49] <unkmar> I'm needing to send myself a file from a windows machine and so I was going to setup a separate user. I don't trust Windows even when it is in my sight.
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2300[17:00:32] <unkmar> yes, it is installed.
2301[17:00:52] <aguitel> how to test health from this hard disk ?
2302[17:00:57] <greycat> If removing it will also require removing other things that you don't want to remove, then wait for someone who actually knows Kerberos stuff.
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2306[17:01:55] <unkmar> removing *that* package didn't want me to remove anything. So, looks like my life my be better already. Thank you.
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2308[17:02:39] <unkmar> I had looked at removing serveral different krb based packages that wanted to remove lots of things that mean machine would have been unusable. Thank you.
2309[17:03:11] <jelly> unkmar: verify you're still able to log in to that machine, remotely and at the console if possible
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2311[17:03:42] <jelly> removing pam modules that were actually in use somewhere in /etc/pam.d/ may have adverse effects
2312[17:03:46] <unkmar> cat /etc/debian_version now reports 8.8 :) Just completing a safe-upgrade now.
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2315[17:04:51] <MarioMey> Hello...
2316[17:04:55] <unkmar> jelly: I just sudo login and was able to login as myself without incident.
2317[17:05:11] <MarioMey> Yesterday, I installed Debian 9. Now, I want to print a paper...
2318[17:05:39] <MarioMey> I downloaded driver from replaced-url
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2320[17:06:10] <MarioMey> I plug printer and nothing appears. There's no printer options in Control Center...
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2322[17:06:17] <MarioMey> How should I install it?
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2325[17:07:30] <jelly> MarioMey: ensure cups package is installed. The open your web browser, connect to replaced-url
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2330[17:08:53] <jelly> probably good if printer is powered on and connected while you're doing this
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2336[17:10:24] <lowin> Hello. I have compiled a program from source. How do I tell dpkg that I have it installed so I can install other programs that depend on it from the package manager?
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2338[17:10:54] <greycat> Depends on what it is. You can install equivs and use that to build pseudo-packages that Provides: various things.
2339[17:11:01] <xboot> i have debian stretch, using Wicd to connect to WiFi network.
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2341[17:11:15] <xboot> i haven't avahi daemon or resolvconf installed, but resolv.conf is being automaticaly changed
2342[17:11:17] <xboot> constantly
2343[17:11:26] <greycat> dhcp client does that
2344[17:11:29] <xboot> ohh
2345[17:11:30] <unkmar> Just great. I may not have a sytem in about 5 minutes.
2346[17:11:58] <xboot> is there any way to prevent it to do so
2347[17:12:11] <greycat> Several ways of varying strength and ugliness.
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2349[17:12:19] <xboot> ok
2350[17:12:21] <unkmar> The NVIDIA driver that is being installed ... does not match the nvidia kernel module currently loaded. The X server, OpenGL, and GPGPU applications may not work properly
2351[17:12:23] <xboot> i will try to use a hook
2352[17:12:44] <greycat> !override dns
2353[17:12:44] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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2356[17:13:22] <xboot> thanks
2357[17:13:24] <xboot> !help
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2359[17:13:32] <xboot> !override
2360[17:13:38] <greycat> Because dhclient is brought to you by ISC, the same people who wrote BIND (*shudder*), there is no simple way to do ANYTHING common.
2361[17:13:55] <xboot> damn, i understand
2362[17:14:07] <greycat> Like telling it "fuck off, never touch my resolv.conf file, ever". Can't do that. If you need that, most people end up resorting to chattr +i.
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2364[17:14:59] <nicechap> when I do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, I get this:
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2366[17:15:02] <nicechap> The following packages have been kept back:
2367[17:15:05] <xboot> i wrote "make_resolv_conf(){}" to /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/nodnsupdate
2368[17:15:05] <nicechap> firefox-esr firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 xorg xserver-xorg
2369[17:15:08] <xboot> which is working now
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2371[17:15:14] <nicechap> why are they 'kept back'?
2372[17:15:17] <abrotman> There is a resolvconf package
2373[17:15:30] <abrotman> nicechap: try a dist-upgrade or full-upgrade
2374[17:15:38] <greycat> abrotman: we want the OPPOSITE of resolvconf. We just want the file to be left alone.
2375[17:15:48] <nicechap> abrotman: why does it not pick it up otherwise?
2376[17:15:56] <abrotman> wel, yes, but resolvconf has a way to force the ones you want
2377[17:16:04] <abrotman> nicechap: because "upgrade" won't install or remove packages
2378[17:16:21] <greycat> I have a way to force the ones I want, too. vi /etc/resolv.conf; chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
2379[17:16:27] <abrotman> yes, that works also :)
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2382[17:16:42] <nicechap> abrotman: so I should always do both?
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2384[17:16:59] <nicechap> upgrade and also dist-upgrade?
2385[17:17:23] <greycat> dist-upgrading within a release isn't commonly needed
2386[17:17:27] <unkmar> You should always make a backup for even considering a dist-upgrade.
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2388[17:17:44] <offsecOS-28490> hello
2389[17:17:45] <jelly> greycat: but it doesn't hurt
2390[17:17:48] <nicechap> greycat: I am confused...
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2392[17:17:54] <abrotman> nicechap: always? that's up to you
2393[17:18:06] <nicechap> the fact that upgrade tells me explicitly something is kept back
2394[17:18:10] <abrotman> nicechap: you jsut need to be aware of the differences and when to use each
2395[17:18:10] <unkmar> I have NEVER had a successful dist-upgrade. But I hear I am in the minority.
2396[17:18:18] <greycat> Sometimes a new version of, say, firefox-esr depends on a new library. Because firefox-esr isn't really stable. It's only partly stable. So you need dist-upgrade to let it bring in the new library.
2397[17:18:25] <abrotman> unkmar: I've had systems go through five releases successfully.
2398[17:18:29] <jelly> unkmar: dist-upgrade is just an apt-get command used for patching up.
2399[17:18:40] <jelly> doing a release upgrade is a different thing
2400[17:19:07] <nicechap> I ran the dist-upgrade, no smoke coming out yet
2401[17:19:17] <nicechap> bit scary
2402[17:19:29] <xboot> greycat, i don't use chattr option just because i want to know whoever tries to modify my resolv.conf. I actually forced dhcp to stop doing so, so now if something will modify my resolv.conf it will be malware
2403[17:19:44] <xboot> and i'll be aware of this
2404[17:19:44] <greycat> xboot: uh... ok?
2405[17:19:51] <jelly> nicechap: not really, it's just the command has a weird name that makes people thing it might do something else
2406[17:19:52] <xboot> ok.
2407[17:19:58] <xboot> just saying
2408[17:20:14] <greycat> I don't know how you "forced dhcp to stop". I could not find any option for that.
2409[17:20:23] <xboot> <xboot> i wrote "make_resolv_conf(){}" to /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/nodnsupdate
2410[17:20:32] <xboot> overrided a function that updates resolv.conf
2411[17:20:35] <xboot> by using a hook
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2414[17:20:52] <greycat> Oh. I didn't realize you could override its... internal? not-internal? operations.
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2416[17:21:14] <greycat> Dear ISC. STOP MAKING YOUR SOFTWARE SO STUPID. Thank you.
2417[17:21:16] <xboot> i don't know, but i think these are external functions
2418[17:21:25] <xboot> if they can be overrided
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2422[17:21:50] <xboot> foud thsi solution here replaced-url
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2424[17:21:58] <xboot> "Create hook to avoid /etc/resolv.conf file update"
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2433[17:22:52] <xboot> but yeah i agree, a simple flag/option to prevent doing so would be very useful instead of that fu
2434[17:24:19] <unkmar> I hate upgrades. System thinks I'm visually impaired again or something. Everything on Chrome is massive.
2435[17:24:29] <greycat> xboot: that is a good web page. I think I'll update the bot with that.
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2438[17:25:52] <greycat> dpkg, no, override dns is <reply>dhclient overwrites your resolv.conf every time it refreshes, by default. To stop that behavior, choose one of the various hacks on <replaced-url
2439[17:25:52] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2443[17:28:15] <greycat> P.S. you don't actually have to make the dhcp enter/exit hooks executable. 644 perms work fine.
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2473[17:38:34] <unkmar> Yay! I hacked --force-device-scale-factor=1 into both my /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable and /usr/bin/chromium because I'm not blind.
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2488[17:42:52] <lovelybac0n> Yeah. I once hacked the cia.7
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2505[17:46:50] <celyr> I once hacked my wc
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2512[17:49:25] <unkmar> I asked a friend. He says that wc means water closet. So, what I might call a restroom.
2513[17:49:44] <greycat> Yes, that's British slang.
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2519[17:52:06] <celyr> restroom
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2521[17:52:09] <celyr> the place where you take a nap
2522[17:52:11] <celyr> right ?
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2527[17:53:59] <jelly> er, #debian-offtopic
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2529[17:54:22] <unkmar> celyr: yeah, well. Americans didn't quite figure out a proper name for that room. Before I knew of it as a restroom, I knew of it as a batrhoom. So... I don't know that water closet is much better.
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2551[18:03:22] <bear1> Ok im needing help making sopel bpt
2552[18:03:24] <bear1> *bot
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2557[18:04:56] <jelly> there's a #sopel channel, IHaveNoName
2558[18:05:31] <IHaveNoName> Ok
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2561[18:06:32] <jelly> IHaveNoName: to hunt for channels about somestuff on freenode (this irc network), use /msg alis list stuff
2562[18:06:38] <IHaveNoName> Ok
2563[18:06:39] <jelly> er.
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2565[18:07:05] <jelly> /msg alis list somestuff
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2568[18:07:29] <IHaveNoName> Okay thanks for the help :)
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2583[18:13:15] <MarioMey> jelly: Thanks! It worked.
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2585[18:13:42] <MarioMey> Before doing that, I had installed the file from openprinting page... was it necessary?
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2587[18:13:48] <MarioMey> jelly: ^
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2590[18:14:39] <IHaveNoName> :( i think everyone not available on #sopel
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2600[18:19:16] <jelly> MarioMey: probably, that's what gives you the driver driver to pick
2601[18:19:24] <jelly> the right* driver
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2625[18:27:17] <nvz> why would my system allow me to format a luks file ext3 and work but when i format it ext4 i can only mount it ro because mouting rw says the fs has unsupported optional features?
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2632[18:28:33] <nvz> i can live with it being ext3 but this has me confused
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2639[18:30:04] <petn-randall> nvz: Can you show the complete output you get?
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2641[18:31:03] <aguitel> how to test health from this hard disk ?
2642[18:31:16] <nvz> i get the typical wrong fstype erro, its in dmesg i see EXT4-fs (dm-0): couldn't mount RDWR because of unsupported optional features (400)
2643[18:31:20] <jelly> nvz: the version of mke2fs you used to format it is newer than the kernel and version of mount used to... mount it
2644[18:31:54] <jelly> nvz: which OS or installer image did you use to create the filesystem?
2645[18:32:23] <nvz> jelly: ah that makes sense i suppose i was at a loss for what kernel option would prevent this but if the mkfs is newer than the kernel which it is.. that explains it
2646[18:32:34] <petn-randall> aguitel: You can use 'smartctl' from the smartmontools package.
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2648[18:32:52] <nvz> jelly: im on stretch with a old armbian kernel so thats what caused it
2649[18:33:23] <aguitel> petn-randall, ok
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2654[18:34:25] <jelly> nvz: compare /etc/mke2fs.conf from jessie and stretch, then make sure to disable the newer features that are only in stretch
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2659[18:35:29] <jelly> nvz: mkfs.ext4 ... -O ^metadata_csum ... is one I remember
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2672[18:40:47] <n-iCe> Would you guys say lxde is the most lightweight de? For debian?
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2675[18:41:27] <jelly> who knows, maybe lxqt is lighterer
2676[18:41:42] <jelly> maybe not using a DE but just a WM is?
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2678[18:42:42] <centrx> n-iCe: openbox with fbpanel
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2683[18:43:19] <nvz> jelly: fwiw seems to be that and 64bit inode size are diffs between stretch and ambians installer
2684[18:43:30] <petn-randall> n-iCe: Unless you've got a potato for hardware I'd go with one of the more popular DEs, simply because the support (finding resolutions to problems on the internet) is better.
2685[18:44:00] <n-iCe> Thats why i asked in the installation does not say openbox
2686[18:44:07] <n-iCe> Gnome kde xfce lsxde cinammon
2687[18:44:28] <n-iCe> I want the more lightweight option in the default netinstall installation
2688[18:44:33] <n-iCe> Would you say lxde?
2689[18:45:01] <n-iCe> Im installing debian in this moment
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2692[18:45:59] <greycat> If you don't want a desktop environment at all, just skip all of those options, and install xorg openbox xterm ... yourself.
2693[18:46:13] <unkmar> lxde is very lightweight.
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2695[18:46:21] <unkmar> so is xfce
2696[18:46:34] <unkmar> The others? Not so much.
2697[18:46:36] <petn-randall> n-iCe: xfce is also on the lighter end. Really depends on the hardware, though.
2698[18:46:44] * IHaveNoName sad
2699[18:46:51] <n-iCe> Thing es i have a good hardware but i feel linux slow somehow
2700[18:46:59] <n-iCe> Does not feel smooth
2701[18:47:16] <n-iCe> Tried other distros like ubuntu lubuntu fedora
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2704[18:47:26] <mtn> n-iCe, what video chip or card do you have?
2705[18:47:29] <n-iCe> Does not feel with a good performance like ib my old laptoo
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2707[18:47:41] <n-iCe> Amd a6 8gb ram 1tb hdd
2708[18:47:55] * IHaveNoName sad no one is on sopel thats avaikable
2709[18:48:23] <n-iCe> Mtn that works for you?
2710[18:48:30] <n-iCe> Amd A6
2711[18:48:32] <mtn> n-iCe, what video chip or card do you have?
2712[18:48:52] <n-iCe> Cant tell right now, im installing debian :x
2713[18:48:58] <n-iCe> Let me change ppy
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2716[18:49:10] <n-iCe> Tty
2717[18:49:24] <socomm> I've an older debian install. And I've an IPv6 address stuck in 'dadfaied' state. Is there a way to force debian to run neighbor discovery?
2718[18:49:35] <mtn> n-iCe, well, anyway, it may be a video driver problem.
2719[18:49:49] <n-iCe> replaced-url
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2721[18:49:50] <socomm> I've seen posts about changing 'accept_dad' to 0, but that doesn't clear the state.
2722[18:50:00] <n-iCe> Can you see the image? I took a picture
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2726[18:50:32] <n-iCe> Mtn what do you see
2727[18:50:46] <altker128> Hey all. There's a Debian mirror that's missing a .deb, while results in a failure during a new install or after the fact install. Who do I tell?
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2729[18:50:54] <altker128> This is on Stretch
2730[18:51:04] <petn-randall> !bat
2731[18:51:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2733[18:51:07] <IHaveNoName> Does anyone here know how to make a sopel bot on debian no one is talkin on sopel channel
2734[18:51:08] <petn-randall> altker128: ^^^
2735[18:51:31] <altker128> petn-randall: OK . Thanks
2736[18:51:34] <nvz> altker128: is it an offcial debian repo?
2737[18:51:37] <mtn> n-iCe, radeon hd 7520G is your video chip. you can research drivers for it on the debian wiki
2738[18:51:54] <n-iCe> Mtn so debian does not install them by default?
2739[18:52:06] <altker128> nvz: Yes. It's ftp.utexas.edu . It fails when trying to install mate-desktop-environment . It's reproducable
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2741[18:52:22] <mtn> n-iCe, yes, it will have a open source driver by default. there may be a different driver available, too
2742[18:52:35] <altker128> nvz: When I switched to mirrors.kernel.org/debian , everything proceeded normally
2743[18:53:33] <nvz> altker128: which protocol http? what is the exact source line, package/version and error is it a 404 not found, 403 forbidden?
2744[18:54:14] <altker128> nvz: http protocol , it's a 404 and I'll try to pruge the packages and re-try them. This is NOT user error. It fails straight up from the Debian installer
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2746[18:54:39] <MarioMey> jelly: When I have to select the model, there are two options for the same printer. One says "Epson Stylus TX125 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.11 (en)", the other "Epson Stylus TX125 Series - epson-inkjet-printer 1.0.1-1lsb3.2 (Seiko Epson Corporation... blah, blah2.
2747[18:54:42] <n-iCe> Mtn this? replaced-url
2748[18:55:08] <MarioMey> So, if I select the first one, I can remove the driver that I had installed, right?
2749[18:55:40] <nvz> altker128: i am giving you the benefit of the doubt but im also gonna try it and see.. youd need these specifics to really report it
2750[18:55:41] <mtn> n-iCe, yes and this one too: replaced-url
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2752[18:56:21] <n-iCe> Which one would you use
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2754[18:56:44] <altker128> nvz: Yes. The issue is from the installer it just "fails" and doesn't say why. It wasn't until I rebooted, got a terminal prompt and tried it manually (apt-get install mate-desktop-enviornment) that I saw it choked on one file.
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2756[18:57:12] <jelly> MarioMey: sure, but debian gets those from openprinting as well so the one you just downloaded might be SLIGHTLY newer
2757[18:57:17] <mtn> n-iCe, you should read both of them
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2759[18:57:43] <nvz> altker128: yes well the exact deb line and package name and version in question are still important
2760[18:57:47] <jelly> MarioMey: and the one from distro will get automatically upgraded when you upgrade to Debian 10, while the one you downloaded manually... won't
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2763[18:58:24] <IHaveNoName> jelly no one is talking on #sopel :(
2764[18:58:34] <nvz> altker128: because without that anyone is going to assume pebcak
2765[18:58:37] <jelly> IHaveNoName: be patient
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2769[18:59:22] <altker128> nvz: What is a pebcak?
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2771[18:59:47] <nvz> altker128: problem exists between keyboard and chair
2772[18:59:57] <IHaveNoName> ok jelly
2773[19:00:03] <mtn> a very common computer virus :p
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2775[19:00:11] <n-iCe> Mtn done how can i know if driver is working correctly
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2779[19:00:19] <Ssandy> hello
2780[19:00:22] <IHaveNoName> Hi
2781[19:00:27] <nvz> altker128: pebkac or pebcak same thing diff spelling
2782[19:00:30] <mtn> n-iCe, by testing it. does it work ok or not?
2783[19:00:37] <altker128> nvz: Ah, the nut behind the wheel :)
2784[19:00:38] <Ssandy> spanih
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2788[19:01:12] <n-iCe> Did not say it was not working mtn
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2790[19:01:21] <n-iCe> I just feel linux slow or not smooth
2791[19:01:36] <unkmar> Sometimes the ID ten T error strikes. (Id10t)
2792[19:01:45] <mtn> n-iCe, I did not say you said it was not working ;) just trying to give you some info so you can answer your own questions
2793[19:02:14] <n-iCe> But is there a command to check the driver installed performance or if it working well?
2794[19:02:17] <n-iCe> I feel the same
2795[19:02:20] <n-iCe> Wirh both drivers
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2807[19:04:14] <nvz> altker128: official mirror missing one file is unlikely due to the way they work but that doesnt mean its pebkac, if the installer caused this it could be a bug in the installer. most common cause is that the apt cache is stale which the installer shouldnt have allowed
2808[19:04:35] <SpeedyG> hey, I'm looking for an install iso for debian lenny or etch but archive.debian.org does not seem to work... is there any other place where I can find them?
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2810[19:04:51] <SpeedyG> (for education purposes)
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2812[19:05:06] <nvz> altker128: thats why i need more info to know if i should tell you to talk to the installer team, or a repo maintainer
2813[19:05:19] <greycat> replaced-url
2814[19:05:55] <SpeedyG> greycat: hm, you're right.. I was at .net, not .org
2815[19:06:00] <SpeedyG> i'll dig there :)
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2820[19:06:54] <MarioMey1> Thanks, jelly.
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2822[19:07:44] <nvz> altker128: also thats a secondary mirror so what action would need to occur depends on the nature of the issue
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2866[19:29:39] <n-iCe> Mtn
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2869[19:29:56] <n-iCe> mtn: here
2870[19:30:03] <n-iCe> Jun 28 12:21:16 debian kernel: [ 18.689532] [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-amd-graphics.
2871[19:30:06] <n-iCe> Jun 28 12:21:16 debian kernel: [ 18.727139] kvm: disabled by bios
2872[19:30:09] <n-iCe> Jun 28 12:21:16 debian kernel: [ 18.753113] kvm: disabled by bios
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2874[19:31:17] <nvz> n-iCe: in the future use paste.debian.net or truncate your msgs to one line.. without the timestamp and repeated message
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2876[19:31:37] <n-iCe> what's that kvm disabled by bios
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2878[19:32:00] <aguitel> i install stretch-cinnamon ,how remove pidgin and thunderbird without whole desktop environment ?
2879[19:32:05] <greycat> out of those three lines, *that's* what you ask about?
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2882[19:33:18] <n-iCe> found it anyway
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2888[19:34:40] <spacebug^> aguitel: apt-mark manual thunderbird
2889[19:34:58] <spacebug^> aguitel: then apt-get remove thunderbird
2890[19:35:11] <aguitel> same with pidgin ?
2891[19:35:30] <spacebug^> if pidgin also whants to remove cinnamon
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2894[19:36:31] <aguitel> lot of shit try to install when thunderbird is removing
2895[19:36:40] <spacebug^> this did the trick for me with iceweasel and icedove (now that thunderbird and firefox are the original names again)
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2898[19:37:16] <spacebug^> some things might acutally need thunderbird and hence be removed.. don't know really
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2900[19:37:27] <aguitel> ok
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2907[19:40:14] <spacebug^> aguitel: sounds strange that a DE as cinnaom should depend on a email client. But than again. you might have installed a metapackge for cinnamon and that depends on that package. Thats was the case with me and icedove/iceweasel
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2911[19:41:18] <aguitel> spacebug^, icedove is uninstalled with no problem
2912[19:41:27] <spacebug^> ok
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2914[19:41:40] <mrr0butt> are open-vm-tools for installation on host system or guest?
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2932[19:49:09] <mrr0butt> it looks like it would be only a replacement for vbox-guest-additions and not vbox itself
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2937[19:50:14] <n-iCe> Hello! how do I enable click in touch pad in Debian 9
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2943[19:51:49] * pingou looking for formorer, could anyone help me?
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2951[19:55:13] <jhutchins_wk> mrr0butt: Guest
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2954[19:57:05] <greycat> dpkg, no, synaptics is <reply>As of stretch, the synaptic driver isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see replaced-url
2955[19:57:05] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2963[19:59:55] <n-iCe> greycat: it works, just want to enable click on touch
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2973[20:00:41] <nvz> pingou: /msg nickserv info formorer
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2975[20:00:59] <pingou> nvz: good idea, thanks
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2979[20:02:11] <greycat> dpkg, no, synaptics is <reply>As of stretch, the synaptics driver isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see replaced-url
2980[20:02:11] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2983[20:02:57] <n-iCe> greycat: what?
2984[20:03:07] <greycat> Dunno. It's on that wiki page though.
2985[20:03:12] <greycat> I don't use laptops. I don't use gnome.
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2987[20:03:26] <n-iCe> but, is for 8
2988[20:03:30] <n-iCe> Can't make it work in 0
2989[20:03:31] <n-iCe> 9
2990[20:03:44] <greycat> Then read the wiki page. replaced-url
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2993[20:04:00] <greycat> Or if you want it to work on stretch, read what I put DIRECTLY INTO THE FACTOID.
2994[20:04:11] <nvz> pingou: /msg nickserv info <nick> will tell you when they were last on, /whois <nick> will tell you what channels a user is on, and /msg dpkg seen <nick> will tell you if the bot has seen them in any of the debian channels it is in
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2997[20:04:41] <jimjamjim> after upgrading to debian 9, I can't span my wallpaper across my monitors!
2998[20:04:54] <nvz> pingou: if a user wants their email used or uses memoserv nickserv will have that info also
2999[20:05:28] <pingou> nvz: I think /whois only lists channels you have in common
3000[20:05:41] <n-iCe> greycat: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf does not exist
3001[20:06:02] <greycat> Then I guess you are supposed to create it.
3002[20:06:12] <n-iCe> nop
3003[20:06:17] <n-iCe> readh the Debian 9 part
3004[20:06:19] <n-iCe> is what I don't get
3005[20:06:24] <n-iCe> in the link you gave me
3006[20:06:30] <nvz> jimjamjim: you need to be more specific if you want to ask how to do that. there are like 6 DEs and tons of smaller x apps which provide similar functionality nobody knows what youre using
3007[20:06:33] <greycat> WHAT. THE. FUCK. VERSION. DO. YOU. HAVE.
3008[20:06:55] <nvz> pingou: whois me and see what it shows
3009[20:07:00] <n-iCe> greycat: what?
3010[20:07:03] <n-iCe> I told you
3011[20:07:07] <greycat> What version of DEBIAN do you have?
3012[20:07:14] <jimjamjim> nvz: oh.. I am using xfce
3013[20:07:21] <greycat> You keep changing the number every 20 seconds.
3014[20:07:26] <n-iCe> No, always said 9
3015[20:07:30] <pingou> nvz: [nvz] #debian
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3017[20:07:34] <greycat> 14:03 n-iCe> but, is for 8
3018[20:07:35] <greycat> 14:03 n-iCe> Can't make it work in 0
3019[20:07:36] <greycat> 14:03 n-iCe> 9
3020[20:07:40] <n-iCe> so, the last one, was 9
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3023[20:08:00] <nvz> pingou: looks like youre right then due to the user mode it only shows channels in common
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3025[20:08:40] <Fahrradkette> greetings. I just did an apt-get upgrade which pulled a new kernel. in the setup phase it failed to build some non-free kernel-y stuff. I removed the two offending packets. Do I have to re-run that kernel-related build script?
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3027[20:08:53] <nvz> jimjamjim: and you had xfce with jessie and your wallpaper was strteched onto multiple screens and now after upgrading its not?
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3031[20:09:24] <jimjamjim> nvz: yes!
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3036[20:10:16] <nvz> jimjamjim: do you know what utility you are using to set the wallpaper?
3037[20:10:22] <Masterphi> I'm seeing all packages failing to authenticate trying to apt upgrade. What's going on?
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3046[20:11:48] <nvz> jimjamjim: nobody else is gonna pry info out of you much less for such a trivial issue btw, im just humoring you because i have stretch and xfce on here to look into it and im waiting on something to finish here
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3049[20:12:25] <jimjamjim> nvz: I can't find the option to span the wallpaper in 'Desktop Settings'
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3057[20:15:12] <wonderer> hi all
3058[20:15:38] <wonderer> need some help with deb 6 and grub not pickin up os on bootup
3059[20:16:02] <wonderer> tried alot of guides and some utilities but not had any job in getting deb booting
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3068[20:19:37] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Last I remember you were going to try a clean install (or better a live iso) to se if the hardware was compatible with 6.
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3072[20:20:06] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Telling us "it's not working" doesn't give us anything to work with.
3073[20:20:15] <nvz> jimjamjim: give me the brief rundown on your video card config.. i.e. one nvidia card 2 monitors, debian nvidia drivers ?
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3079[20:21:30] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: We know for certain that grub boots Debian 6 just fine, many of us used it for years.
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3084[20:22:16] <wonderer> hey jhutchins_wk
3085[20:22:19] <jimjamjim> nvz: I am using Intel HD 4400.. i think!
3086[20:22:36] <wonderer> i used clonezilla as you advised
3087[20:22:41] <jimjamjim> nvz: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
3088[20:22:54] <jelly> wonderer: what kind of hardware is this
3089[20:22:57] <wonderer> took a little while to getting used to it
3090[20:23:07] <wonderer> dell pe r330
3091[20:23:19] <nvz> jmcnaught: hmm is that a laptop then with an external and builtin
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3095[20:23:42] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Clonezilla has great documentation - if you read Mandarin.
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3098[20:24:07] <jelly> wonderer: that sounds relatively fresh, why debian 6?
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3100[20:24:23] <jelly> wonderer: does it have legacy bios or uefi or both?
3101[20:24:31] <noqnio1> Hey, which vnc server do you suggest that works best out of the package?
3102[20:24:33] <jelly> wonderer: is firmware up-to-date?
3103[20:24:40] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: iirc he's working to upgrade an old server, trying to replicate it first.
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3106[20:24:50] <nvz> jimjamjim: lets try this.. goto you apps menu, settings, settings editor
3107[20:25:14] <jimjamjim> nvz: ok..
3108[20:25:39] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: so the machine will have to support legacy booting well, and if it's really new, it might not
3109[20:26:31] <nvz> jimjamjim: click on xfce4-desktop in the left pane and hit the new button and add /backdrop/screen0/xinerama-stretch as a boolean and set it to true
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3113[20:26:44] <wonderer> sorry for been afk
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3115[20:27:02] <wonderer> jelly legacy
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3120[20:27:30] <wonderer> ive booted in deb 9 live cd atm
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3122[20:27:36] <jimjamjim> nvz: done!
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3125[20:27:44] <wonderer> and trying to see if i can repair the grub
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3127[20:27:52] <jelly> wonderer: how does grub fail?
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3129[20:27:58] <nvz> jimjamjim: does that fix your wallpaper?
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3132[20:28:24] <wonderer> one sec, let me get screengrab
3133[20:28:48] <jimjamjim> nvz: it didn't!
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3135[20:29:03] <nvz> jimjamjim: only thin i lack to test this is the 2nd display :P
3136[20:29:23] <wonderer> replaced-url
3137[20:29:23] <nvz> jimjamjim: is this a laptop screen and external monitor then?
3138[20:29:46] <jimjamjim> nvz: no.. its a desktop with dual monitor!
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3141[20:30:11] <jimjamjim> it used to work fine on debian 8.. :(
3142[20:30:11] <nvz> jimjamjim: ok but you do have it setup as two screens not mirrored rigth?
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3144[20:30:17] <jimjamjim> yes
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3148[20:33:00] <wonderer> jelly ?
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3158[20:36:29] <jelly> wonderer: that's after grub, and into initramfs rescue shell. This means grub works and loads a kernel and initramfs, and passes control correctly. Initramfs however has an issue and cannot find the disk
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3162[20:36:46] <jelly> wonderer: which disk controller is in there?
3163[20:36:48] <wonderer> yep
3164[20:36:51] <nvz> jimjamjim: im fairly cerain thats the right property xfce settings editor wont let you create invalid props, which means the issue must be with xorg driver somehow or a bug in xfce/xfdesktop
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3166[20:37:06] <wonderer> perc controller
3167[20:37:34] <wonderer> H330
3168[20:37:35] <jelly> wonderer: which precisely, is it a hw raid one or some cheaper stuff?
3169[20:37:42] <wonderer> hw raid 1
3170[20:37:52] <jelly> wonderer: sas or sata disks?
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3172[20:38:05] <wonderer> one sec
3173[20:38:19] <wonderer> amsas
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3175[20:38:28] <wonderer> 2 x 500gb
3176[20:38:39] <wonderer> sas i meant
3177[20:39:13] * jelly didn't even know there were 500GB sas devices
3178[20:39:14] <wonderer> typical setup for OS raid
3179[20:39:39] <jelly> wonderer: do you have a pastebin of lspci -nn output?
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3181[20:40:07] <jelly> wonderer: can debian 9 live see the LUN created on top of those two disks?
3182[20:40:09] <wonderer> one sec
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3188[20:41:46] <jelly> wonderer: output of "lsmod" or "cat /proc/modules" from initramfs and from live might be helpful, if live works maybe you just need to recreate initramfs
3189[20:41:59] <jelly> if not,
3190[20:42:03] <jelly> !debug initramfs
3191[20:42:03] <dpkg> it has been said that initramfsdebug is replaced-url
3192[20:42:06] <jhutchins_wk> wonderer: Is the source server on RAID?
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3194[20:42:24] <wonderer> booting into live cd atm
3195[20:42:27] <teraflops> dsdasd
3196[20:42:31] <teraflops> ooops
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3198[20:42:40] <wonderer> just taking a while =Q
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3200[20:43:04] <nvz> jimjamjim: try #xfce i guess.. stretch is running the latest
3201[20:43:20] <jimjamjim> nvz: ok. thanks!
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3217[20:48:22] <wonderer> jhutchins no
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3219[20:48:42] <wonderer> source cloned server is simple 1 sata 160gb drive
3220[20:48:57] <jelly> ,pciid 1000:005f
3221[20:48:58] <judd> [1000:005f] is 'MegaRAID SAS-3 3008 [Fury]' from 'LSI Logic / Symbios Logic' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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3223[20:49:18] <jelly> that can't be right
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3227[20:49:30] <wonderer> well
3228[20:49:36] <wonderer> its not jessie am loading
3229[20:49:43] <wonderer> its deb 6 squeeze
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3234[20:51:03] <jelly> wonderer: you'll have to use a newer kernel than squeeze default.
3235[20:51:12] <wonderer> but that lspci output is from live cd deb 9
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3237[20:51:19] <wonderer> so maybe its a buggy output?
3238[20:51:29] <wonderer> hmm
3239[20:51:47] <jelly> wonderer: it's not buggy
3240[20:52:05] <wonderer> well unfortunatelly i have to save this deb 6 install as its runign on old hdd
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3243[20:52:33] <jelly> there's a driver in 4.9 kernel, but not 2.6.32 from squeeze or even 3.2 from wheezy
3244[20:52:34] <wonderer> the deb install come with bespoke built python/django sites which i cant migrate to deb 8
3245[20:52:43] <gardy> does anybody knows how to get that isp based host name? i using pfsense and now i get only a ip number :/
3246[20:52:46] <wonderer> have tried, for several days
3247[20:52:50] <wonderer> hence clone
3248[20:52:58] <jelly> wonderer: you'll have to use a newer KERNEL than squeeze default. Not necessarily newer userspace.
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3250[20:53:12] <wonderer> could i just disable the raid altohter and just have plane single drive?
3251[20:53:26] <jelly> you'd still have the same controller
3252[20:53:28] <wonderer> so?
3253[20:53:35] <jelly> so same driver needed
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3255[20:54:04] <jelly> /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v00001000d0000005Fsv*sd*bc*sc*i* megaraid_sas
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3259[20:54:16] <jelly> present in jessie default kernel
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3261[20:54:38] <wonderer> so thats it!
3262[20:54:43] <wonderer> no way aroudn this
3263[20:54:52] <jelly> why not?
3264[20:55:10] <jelly> just put in a newer kernel
3265[20:55:13] <wonderer> new kernel you say
3266[20:55:21] <greycat> wonderer: so if the machine can't run squeeze directly, then your next strategy would be installing stretch as a host OS, and running squeeze in a VM, yes?
3267[20:55:28] <wonderer> that means something newer than deb 6
3268[20:55:33] <jelly> NO
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3271[20:55:53] <jelly> newer kernel means newer kernel. Not "newer some other component"
3272[20:56:15] <wonderer> so i have have newer kernel in a deb 6 install ?
3273[20:56:20] <jelly> yes.
3274[20:56:23] <wonderer> oh
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3277[20:56:37] <greycat> I'm not sure how high yup you can crank the kernel version without touching userspace packages.
3278[20:56:40] <wonderer> i learnt something new today :)
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3280[20:56:56] <wonderer> so greatful
3281[20:56:57] <greycat> Eventually you'll hit some limit; the kernel will need a newer udev or libc6 or something.
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3283[20:57:03] <jelly> greycat: version of initramfs-tools required messes things up
3284[20:57:16] <wonderer> ummmm so
3285[20:57:36] <jelly> and sometimes Debian builds the kernel in a way that makes old userspace not work
3286[20:57:47] <wonderer> i have deb 9 livecd runing on the server
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3289[20:58:12] <wonderer> do i just pump in a new kernal somewhere on restored partion after mouning it?
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3291[20:58:22] <jelly> I'd see if 3.16 and initramfs-tools from wheezy-backports can be installed, without touching other packages
3292[20:58:31] <wonderer> am a newbie at linux tbh but i know some basic
3293[20:58:41] <wonderer> jelly appreicate it
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3296[20:59:05] <wonderer> greycat thx for advise...
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3299[20:59:51] <jelly> wonderer: you could try just copying /boot/*4.9.0-3-amd64* from live into your /boot on disk, and copying /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64 into /lib/modules on disk, boot it manually from grub, but I _think_ squeeze libc6 won't like it
3300[21:00:02] <jelly> easy to try
3301[21:00:23] <wonderer> ok
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3303[21:00:24] <jelly> wonderer: mount your squeeze installation from live cd, and try to chroot into it
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3305[21:00:29] <greycat> I would be rather shocked if a 4.9.x kernel works on squeeze userspace
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3308[21:00:39] <wonderer> i need to mount the restored partiton right?
3309[21:00:46] <jelly> greycat: the kernel will always work :-)
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3311[21:00:50] <wonderer> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ?
3312[21:00:56] <jelly> userspace... might not :-)
3313[21:01:02] <jelly> yes
3314[21:01:11] <greycat> We have differing meanings for "work" :)
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3318[21:02:40] <jelly> lemme debootstrap a squeeze
3319[21:02:44] <wonderer> ok
3320[21:03:33] <wonderer> from fdisk -l i have a 465.3gb disk with /dev/sda - so am right doing ? ==> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
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3322[21:04:12] <jelly> wonderer: lsblk or blkid will be more helpful figuring out where the filesystem(s) is(are)
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3328[21:04:51] <jelly> # debootstrap squeeze /opt/chroots/squeeze-amd64 replaced-url
3329[21:04:51] <jelly> I: Retrieving InRelease
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3331[21:05:06] <jelly> it's... just hanging there. SAD.
3332[21:05:21] <wonderer> can i screengrab and show jelly ?
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3336[21:06:02] <jelly> sure
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3338[21:06:24] <wonderer> replaced-url
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3343[21:07:33] <jelly> wonderer: based on that output, which partition do you think it might be
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3346[21:07:48] <wonderer> sda1
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3348[21:08:04] <wonderer> coz source was a 160gb drive i cloned
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3350[21:08:11] <jelly> yeah
3351[21:08:15] <wonderer> ok
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3353[21:08:23] <wonderer> nice cmd
3354[21:08:29] <jelly> blkid is also nice
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3359[21:08:52] <wonderer> ok mounted
3360[21:09:01] <wonderer> but livecd dont show?
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3366[21:09:42] <jelly> wonderer: what do you meant, doesn't show? Do you see it in "df" or "mount" output or something under ls -la /mnt/ ?
3367[21:10:07] <wonderer> grr
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3370[21:10:19] <wonderer> am relying on gui exploerer :D
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3372[21:10:40] <wonderer> ok cd /mnt
3373[21:11:05] <wonderer> shows me boot, home, proc, sys, var, usr etc
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3375[21:11:25] <wonderer> an dates on folders corresponds today date
3376[21:12:03] <jelly> so it's mounted
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3378[21:12:09] <wonderer> yea
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3380[21:12:19] <wonderer> am about to compy live cd files to it
3381[21:12:24] <wonderer> just need to find them
3382[21:12:29] <jelly> cd out of there. Do "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" for a test?
3383[21:12:37] <jelly> does that work and open a new shell?
3384[21:12:51] <jelly> or does it throw some obscure error
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3395[21:14:28] <wonderer> ok
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3400[21:15:08] <wonderer> chroot /mnt /bin/bash
3401[21:15:12] <wonderer> done nothing reported
3402[21:15:15] <wonderer> new line
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3410[21:17:51] <wonderer> jelly
3411[21:17:57] <jelly> wonderer: are you inside chroot now or not? cat /etc/debian_version
3412[21:18:29] <wonderer> oh
3413[21:18:35] <wonderer> 6.0.10
3414[21:18:36] <wonderer> :)
3415[21:18:53] <jelly> so squeeze userspace appears to work on stretch kernel
3416[21:19:05] <jelly> exit from that shell
3417[21:19:07] <wonderer> all new to me
3418[21:19:17] <wonderer> exit
3419[21:19:19] <jelly> (the command is literally exit)
3420[21:19:37] <wonderer> done
3421[21:19:52] <jelly> now copy kernel and modules from live into the chroot
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3424[21:20:02] <guavas> Hello everyone. A simple problem: connected speakers don't work in an asus eeepc1001pxd with debian 8. I tried alsamixer and all is up in every interface, I tried volti mixer, all is up.
3425[21:20:13] <jelly> wonderer: cp -a /boot/*4.9.0* /mnt/boot/
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3430[21:20:39] <jelly> wonderer: and cp -a /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64 /mnt/lib/modues/
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3432[21:20:41] <guavas> The internal speakers work fine and the headphones and speakers I'm trying to make work work perfectly with other devices
3433[21:20:57] <anonymouse> hello, does installing DEs like KDE or Cinnamon make Debian more user friendly?
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3435[21:21:10] <wonderer> ok
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3438[21:21:42] <QtracDevelopWted> no debian still bits now and than
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3440[21:22:05] <jelly> brb
3441[21:22:05] <wonderer> jelly /mnt/lib/modules/ u meant?
3442[21:22:12] <guavas> anonymouse, I find KDE less friendly than, say, xfce, but depends what you mean
3443[21:23:10] <anonymouse> I mean, can you do anything with Debian 9 to turn it into a beginner friendly distro like Mint?
3444[21:23:30] <QtracDevelopWted> same dog different leg
3445[21:23:40] <anonymouse> but, it has to be mostly Debian 9.
3446[21:23:55] <QtracDevelopWted> its all based on debian anyway
3447[21:24:02] <guavas> not sure as I don't use mint, but there is also a debian-based mint I think.
3448[21:24:21] <guavas> I find xfce and lxde very user-friendly and intuitive
3449[21:24:21] <anonymouse> btw, how is Solydx or Solydxk?
3450[21:24:31] <guavas> even though I do not use them
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3454[21:24:59] <simp_> anonymouse, just use the mate/cinnamon desktop(view manager)
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3456[21:25:07] <simp_> it should be pretty much the same then
3457[21:25:27] <anonymouse> there is also a MX Linux.
3458[21:25:35] <anonymouse> based on Debian stable.
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3462[21:26:32] <guavas> just to add to my previous question, pavucontrol is all up too. No idea what can be wrong with my debian
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3466[21:27:42] <simp_> guavas, in pavucontrol check under the configuration tab and make sure the correct output has been selected
3467[21:27:50] <simp_> (output==profile)
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3469[21:28:22] <simp_> for headphones, it's usually analogue stereo output, but it might be something different for you
3470[21:28:34] <simp_> also make sure that the correct device is used for the program you're using
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3472[21:29:04] <guavas> simp_, sure, headphones are selected. I already tried them all. If I just unplug headphones-speakers or whatever the internal speakers work just fine
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3474[21:29:30] <simp_> guavas, but under the configuration tab? what's the profile for your device?
3475[21:29:59] <guavas> analog stereo output
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3482[21:31:48] <simp_> guavas, and it's definately not muted anywhere? (also check the volume levels on all tabs in pavucontrol)
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3484[21:33:54] <jelly> wonderer: yes, duh
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3486[21:34:12] <jmcnaught> guavas: headphones work, but speakers plugged into same jack do not? do the speakers work on other devices?
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3491[21:34:37] <wonderer> am here jelly :)
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3494[21:34:51] <wonderer> was just doing some browsing
3495[21:35:06] <guavas> jmcnaught, any jack output I try do not work, but works with other devices. Built-in speakers work
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3497[21:35:30] <guavas> simp_, yes, doublechecked everythin
3498[21:35:59] <jelly> wonderer: after that, try to update grub config to let it see newer kernel in the menu automagically. I just remembered why it probably won't just work tho, live image uses and expects a different init system than what's in your debian 6 userspace
3499[21:36:27] <wonderer> ok
3500[21:36:30] <guavas> I found it to be a common problem, this kind of eeepc since jessie have some troubles with the sound
3501[21:36:41] <jelly> it will be interesting to see how it fails, tho
3502[21:36:44] <guavas> even though for some reason the output was working before
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3504[21:36:53] <wonderer> so
3505[21:37:15] <wonderer> boot up now and press e the grub menu ?
3506[21:37:28] <simp_> guavas, this might sound dumb, but are you sure the speaker jack is physically clean? (there's a switch inside the jack, that sometimes acts up when dirty)
3507[21:37:30] <wonderer> and repalce uuid with /dev/sda1 ?
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3509[21:37:36] <wonderer> brb in afew
3510[21:37:46] <jelly> wonderer: outside of chroot, "mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys"; "mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc"; "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev", then chroot again
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3514[21:38:26] <guavas> simp_, I must admit I haven't thought about it. I don't think it's that 'cause the jack eneters fairly smoothly, but I'll give it a clean
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3517[21:39:32] <jelly> wonderer: then fix the uuid thing
3518[21:39:50] <simp_> guavas, I only ask/remember, because it's something I have a lot of issues with on my phone :)
3519[21:40:24] <jelly> wonderer: or actually if you did a bitwise image of the whole disk it ought to be the same
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3525[21:42:13] <wonderer> ok
3526[21:42:37] <wonderer> am bit lost
3527[21:42:39] <wonderer> so
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3532[21:43:38] <tobiasBora> §b 29
3533[21:43:46] <wonderer> what should i try first jelly ?
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3538[21:45:53] <guavas> simp_, don't walk into my jack-in, you may slip
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3543[21:46:24] <jelly> wonderer: chroot into the installation again after bind mounts, run update-grub
3544[21:46:27] <guavas> still, no audio. There must be something wrong either with alsa or with the kernel, can't thing of anything else
3545[21:46:56] <simp_> guavas, and no device works when plugged in. Can you still get speakers when plugged in(switch it around in pavucontrol)
3546[21:47:08] <jelly> wonderer: see if it finds and adds a menu entry for newer kernel. if it does, you can exit that shell, umount everything in reverse order, and reboot
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3548[21:47:38] <simp_> guavas, I spent 3 days to get 5.1 working over the optical output once, with lots of trial&error
3549[21:47:45] <jelly> wonderer: so umount /mnt/proc, /mnt/sys, /mnt/dev, and finally /mnt
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3554[21:48:27] <wonderer> ok hopeffuly i be able to follow this preisely thx :)
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3559[21:50:41] <guavas> simp_, there are headphones option in pavucontrol. But when in the output device I set the Analog Output I have the built-in speakers working, and that is the configured option in the configuration and the only option in the audio output in vlc.
3560[21:50:48] <guavas> Hope it's clear what I just wrote
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3565[21:52:34] <ryouma> what is the status of grub or extlinux being able to deal with encrypted /boot? or is that not possible?
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3568[21:53:09] <greycat> How would it decrypt /boot?
3569[21:53:11] <queso> How do I install the latest release of Firefox (non-ESR)? This used to be provided by mozilla.debian.net, but that's gone now, and I see the firefox-esr package is not the latest version. I'm on Jessie.
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3571[21:53:59] <ryouma> it gets updated if there is a security issue iirc
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3578[21:55:21] <simp_> guavas, ah, so there is no option to switch over, ok. in that case, i'd look into audio drivers or something similar, I think it doesn't switch over to the jack as it's supposed to. (doesn't recognize the microswitch inside the jack)
3579[21:55:28] <wonderer> sorry jelly
3580[21:55:34] <simp_> guavas, what sound card are you using?
3581[21:55:38] <wonderer> i run the mount before chroot ?
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3590[21:58:54] <guavas> simp_, it's an Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7
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3593[21:59:47] <guavas> I'm checking for the firmware
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3596[22:00:16] <altker128> nvz: I'll get back to you later on today .
3597[22:00:42] <simp_> guavas, if you run pacmd and then list-sinks, does it have two entries under ports?
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3599[22:01:02] <simp_> guavas, also what's the active port, when there's something in the jack, and when the jack is free?
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3601[22:01:58] <simp_> guavas, also, try setting the default output device in alsa manually(if it gives you the option)
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3603[22:02:50] <jimjamjim> nvz: It worked!
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3608[22:03:21] <jelly> wonderer: yes, the bind mounts are needed for update-grub to work
3609[22:03:34] <simp_> guavas, you could also give this blacklist a shot: replaced-url
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3611[22:04:27] <guavas> simp_, I have 3 entries in the ports with the jack and without the jack, same same
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3613[22:05:00] <jimjamjim> nvz: I placed the 'Display Setting' window b/n the two monitors and then 'Spanning Screens' option magically appeared!
3614[22:05:06] <simp_> guavas, so i guess we found the real culprit, it doesn't detect when something is plugged in properly. (otherwise, the active port would change)
3615[22:05:09] <wonderer> no such dir when doing mounts
3616[22:05:19] <mutante> what does it mean when a package that was in jessie is now missing in stretch but it's not completely gone but you also can't install it since it's "purely virtual"? N: Can't select versions from package 'python-django-south' as it is purely virtual
3617[22:05:22] <wonderer> i included the speech mark
3618[22:05:31] <wonderer> will try it without them
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3620[22:05:58] <guavas> simp_, but if an audio is playing and I plug in something it immediatly mutes
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3622[22:06:16] <mutante> ,v python-django-south
3623[22:06:17] <judd> Package: python-django-south on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.5-1; wheezy-backports: 0.7.5-1.1~bpo70+1; sid: 1.0-0.1; jessie: 1.0-0.1
3624[22:06:27] <simp_> guavas, and active-port stays exactly the same? I'd guess it goes over to a wrong port then.
3625[22:06:33] <mutante> needs some kind of replacement for that on stretch ^
3626[22:06:44] <nvz> jimjamjim: wth is b/n
3627[22:06:59] <simp_> guavas, + if there's a laptop, the muting might be a hardware switch (lenovo x230 does it through hardware AFAIK)
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3629[22:07:24] <jimjamjim> nvz: between the two monitors
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3631[22:07:45] <jelly> wonderer: best to show the _exact_ command lines and outputs when there's an issue
3632[22:07:53] <guavas> simp_, yes, active ports are the same, but the active port changes fromanalog-output-speakers to analog-output-headphones
3633[22:08:00] <jmcnaught> judd: provides python-django-south
3634[22:08:02] <judd> No package named 'python-django-south' was found in stretch/amd64.
3635[22:08:19] <nvz> jimjamjim: oh so you positioned the window half on each?
3636[22:08:32] <jimjamjim> nvz: yeah..
3637[22:08:44] <wonderer> jelly replaced-url
3638[22:08:50] <simp_> guavas, ah, then that is actually working.
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3641[22:08:56] <wonderer> looks like its done something good :)
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3643[22:09:04] <jmcnaught> mutante: the package for south was probably removed because django added migrations to the core feature set
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3645[22:09:17] <nvz> jimjamjim: thats ridiculous :P i cant believe that is what it took
3646[22:09:43] <mutante> jmcnaught: ooh, that would be good news , for some reason i automatically thought the only reason can be unmaintained/didn't fix bugs :)
3647[22:09:48] <mutante> let me check that
3648[22:09:54] <jimjamjim> nvz: I know.. I'm still.. hahaha
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3651[22:12:01] <guavas> simp_, even though we didn't solve it thanks a bunch for your help, I appreciate it
3652[22:12:10] <jelly> wonderer: uh, you didn't copy the kernel and initrd into /mnt/boot/ ?
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3654[22:12:59] <simp_> guavas, welcome, just shooting ideas, sometimes that's all that's needed, sometimes not :)
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3657[22:13:20] <jelly> wonderer: exit chroot, cp -a /boot/*4.9.0* /mnt/boot/ outside of chroot, chroot into it again and run update-grub again
3658[22:13:39] <wonderer> ječčy i was goign toask about that ;D
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3660[22:14:20] <greycat> Unicode Character 'LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CARON' (U+010D)
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3662[22:14:45] <greycat> um... ok...
3663[22:15:07] <jelly> also present in a ćevapčić
3664[22:15:17] <jmcnaught> guavas: try taking a look in alsamixer (on the command line), hit F6 to select your sound card, and use left, right arrows to look for a channel related to jack sense, auto mute or similar. I don't recommend using alsamixer as your daily mixer, but it does sometimes expose weird channels like that
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3667[22:15:53] <guavas> jmcnaught, checked already, everything seems good
3668[22:15:55] <wonderer> replaced-url
3669[22:16:07] <guavas> jmcnaught, also with F5 showing all devices, everything is up, no mute
3670[22:16:58] <wonderer> better now jelly ?
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3676[22:18:53] <jelly> wonderer: well now update-grub has actually found the newer kernel, so I'd say yes, better
3677[22:19:24] <jelly> boot it, see if it makes a difference
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3683[22:20:23] <wonderer> cool :)
3684[22:20:27] <wonderer> tyvm
3685[22:20:37] <wonderer> finger crossed :D
3686[22:20:51] <wonderer> dont need to bothe runmounting?
3687[22:20:54] <wonderer> bother
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3689[22:22:06] <jelly> it's nicer if you do
3690[22:22:51] <wonderer> done rr already
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3692[22:23:00] <wonderer> booting
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3706[22:27:02] <wonderer> jelly guess what
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3710[22:27:22] <wonderer> i have a working deb6 clone :)
3711[22:27:33] <wonderer> thanks to your expert help!!!
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3713[22:29:18] <wonderer> some complaingin innitialy about some partiton
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3716[22:29:54] <jelly> wonderer: ~yay~
3717[22:30:04] <wonderer> superstar :)
3718[22:30:15] <wonderer> should i do a check disk on the partitons?
3719[22:30:28] <jelly> wonderer: swap partition may not have been cloned properly maybe
3720[22:30:43] <wonderer> ah
3721[22:30:49] <wonderer> not a big issue then?
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3723[22:31:11] <jelly> you can just fix /etc/fstab entry for swap to /dev/sda5 directly
3724[22:31:22] <greycat> and run mkswap if you need to
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3726[22:31:24] <wonderer> right
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3729[22:32:08] <wonderer> i,ll make a copy of fstab
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3731[22:32:24] <jelly> wonderer: blkid will tell you if there's a swap signature on /dev/sda5 or not
3732[22:32:24] <wonderer> cp /etc/fstab /home ?
3733[22:32:45] <wonderer> yup
3734[22:32:47] <wonderer> u r right
3735[22:32:51] <greycat> doesn't hurt to have a copy of it
3736[22:32:53] <wonderer> sda5
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3746[22:38:25] <wonderer> jelly thank you
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3752[22:41:59] <jelly> you're welcome!
3753[22:42:05] <jelly> !win wonderer
3754[22:42:05] <dpkg> Congratulations, wonderer! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
3755[22:42:18] <wonderer> lol
3756[22:42:22] <wonderer> am blessed
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3758[22:43:08] <wonderer> always wanted the set of cds
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3771[22:46:48] <Vasistha> for my last upgrade, I did a fresh install and copied $HOME. Working pretty well. I'd like to copy come of /etc over as well. Is there a way to detect which files in the old /etc deviate from defaults?
3772[22:47:04] <Vasistha> copy *some of /etc
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3789[22:53:34] <jhutchins_wk> Vasistha: How do you know whether something in the config syntax has changed, or if there are new options?
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3795[22:55:08] <Vasistha> jhutchins_wk: this is why I don't want to just simply copy the old /etc over. I want to look at my previous installation, and find the /etc files that are different from the default installed /etc files. Then I can just work on those (again probably not copying them-- take a closer look at the old installation and the new installation's files)
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3800[22:56:13] <jhutchins_wk> Vasistha: Copy them to a different folder and diff them.
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3803[22:56:30] <jhutchins_wk> Vasistha: You can diff directories and it'll tell you where the differences are.
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3807[22:57:54] <Vasistha> jhutchins_wk: Ok. forget about the old system / new system division. I'm just looking at my old system. I have made changes to some of the files in /etc, and some of them have been changed by apt updates. I don't have a directory full of default packages. I want to know which files in /etc I have made manual changes to vs which are "as installed" by apt
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3816[23:01:09] <Vasistha> ...and I'm just realizing that I just recently cleared out my apt archives to free disk space :-/
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3824[23:04:46] <IHaveNoName> Is there a way to update debian??
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3826[23:05:43] <Vasistha> IHaveNoName: yes! which version do you have?
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3829[23:06:04] <Czr3> hola
3830[23:06:05] <IHaveNoName> I have versio 8.1
3831[23:06:06] <Czr3> hi
3832[23:06:11] <IHaveNoName> Hi
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3838[23:07:42] <Czr3> i've a problem installing asterisk 14 on debian 9
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3840[23:08:35] <Czr3> when i used "make menuselect" it shows me an error: Terminal must be at least 80 x 27. and i don't know how to solve this...
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3842[23:08:54] <Czr3> could anyone help me plz?
3843[23:09:46] <MarioMey> Hi, there... two days ago, I installed Debian 9. Now, my /var/log path has 19GB.
3844[23:09:51] <paqcito> Hi. There's a OMI process leaking the RAM. Anyone has had the same issue? It's a VM on Azure.
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3848[23:10:24] <IHaveNoName> Idk how to change size sorry
3849[23:10:45] <Czr3> =(
3850[23:10:48] <paqcito> Czr3: What's ur problem?
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3852[23:10:50] <Czr3> nm =)
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3855[23:11:26] <MarioMey> /var/log/kern.log, messages and syslog are 6.333.562.880 bytes each one.
3856[23:11:31] <MarioMey> ???
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3858[23:11:42] <paqcito> Czr3: lol i was willing to help
3859[23:12:02] <MarioMey> A friend of mine had this problem with Ubuntu (don't remember version, maybe 13.x).
3860[23:12:07] <IHaveNoName> paqcito i think they figured it out lmao
3861[23:12:23] <IHaveNoName> I only have debian version 8.1
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3864[23:14:56] <jelly> MarioMey, so look inside and see what's filling them up
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3878[23:21:19] <mutante> ,v snmp-mibs-downloader
3879[23:21:20] <judd> Package: snmp-mibs-downloader on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 1.1; wheezy/non-free: 1.1; buster/non-free: 1.1+nmu1; sid/non-free: 1.1+nmu1; stretch/non-free: 1.1+nmu1
3880[23:21:32] <mutante> ah, non-free , that's why: i love judd
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3889[23:27:16] <IHaveNoName> How do i update my debian from 8.1 to 9??????
3890[23:27:20] <alive876> hi, can anyone tell me how to install cmake_3.7.2-1_amd64.deb? when i use sudo dpkg -i cmake_3.7.2-1_amd64.deb i get dependency problems - leaving unconfigured thanks!
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3896[23:28:19] <jelly> IHaveNoName, carefully, after reading stretch release notes
3897[23:28:25] <IHaveNoName> alive876 does it have the right depencies ?????
3898[23:28:29] <jelly> dpkg, tell IHaveNoName about jessie->stretch
3899[23:28:44] <jelly> ,v cmake
3900[23:28:45] <judd> Package: cmake on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.9-1; wheezy-backports: 2.8.11.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.0.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.6.2-2~bpo8+1; buster: 3.7.2-1; sid: 3.7.2-1; stretch: 3.7.2-1; experimental: 3.8.0-1
3901[23:29:01] <jelly> alive876, which debian release do you have installed?
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3903[23:30:31] <jelly> if you mix stuff from newer releases into an older installation, ugly problems can happen
3904[23:30:42] <alive876> i am using Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
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3911[23:32:11] <alive876> IHaveNoName is there a way to determine that?
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3916[23:34:32] <jelly> alive876, if 3.6.2 is good enough for you, use the package from jessie-backports. If it's not, you'll have to build the newer one yourself
3917[23:34:49] <jelly> alive876, read /msg dpkg backports
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3919[23:35:00] <jelly> alive876, and /msg dpkg ssb
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3930[23:39:44] <alive876> jelly ok thanks
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3935[23:40:10] <mutante> happen to know why "php-net-ipv4" is gone from stretch but "php-net-ipv6" is still there?
3936[23:40:50] <mutante> i hope it's because php 7 already does the IPv4 part without an extra package, heh
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3958[23:54:07] <jmcnaught> mutante: you can check this page for the history of packages, look under the news section for why it was removed: replaced-url
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3968[23:59:10] <jelly> also,
3969[23:59:21] <jelly> judd, bug rm php-net-ipv4
3970[23:59:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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