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1[00:00:14] <SerajewelKS> queip: hmm. can't reproduce. i just installed it and opened writer, polish has the spellcheck icon for me.
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4[00:00:26] <queip> SerajewelKS: which *spell* you have for pl ?
5[00:00:32] <SerajewelKS> queip: there may still be a libreoffice process open. you could try logging out and back in, or rebooting.
6[00:00:35] <SerajewelKS> hunspell-pl
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9[00:02:13] <annadane> BlAd3, oh are you trying to install kali?
10[00:02:22] <annadane> i'd ask the kali support in that case
11[00:02:28] <BlAd3> debian 9.5
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13[00:02:40] <annadane> ah, all right
14[00:02:52] <queip> SerajewelKS: what is status of -pl myspell and aspell?"
15[00:02:53] <annadane> maybe you have the wrong architecture? what image are you using?
16[00:03:02] <queip> SerajewelKS: installed or not, in your case
17[00:03:18] <SerajewelKS> not installed
18[00:03:25] <annadane> anyone else can answer BlAd3 too, i just don't want to see their question buried
19[00:03:27] <BlAd3> 9.5 live amd64
20[00:03:44] <annadane> for *installing* debian you should either use the net install or the cd/dvd images
21[00:03:50] <BlAd3> 9.5 amd64 netinst
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25[00:04:15] <BlAd3> 9.5 amd64 dvd 1 iso
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31[00:05:56] <queip> SerajewelKS: ok seems it is a bug
32[00:06:04] <queip> removing libreoffice .config files, helped
33[00:06:14] <SerajewelKS> ah. strange.
34[00:06:29] <annadane> BlAd3, where do you get the black screen?
35[00:06:33] <queip> ohhhh yeaaah now I can edit the text
36[00:06:38] <annadane> on boot, once you've put in the usb?
37[00:06:41] <queip> edit like it's 1990 and Word Perfect
38[00:06:46] <queip> open source yea
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40[00:07:16] <SerajewelKS> wordstar
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45[00:11:27] <queip> ok it's probably time to uninstall Uzbekistant's Latin test spellchecker
46[00:12:03] <mpo_> I have a quick question. Please have a look at this 'ps aux' output: replaced-url
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49[00:12:14] <mpo_> Any ideas welcome
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52[00:13:00] <jadax> SerajewelKS that package didn't enable wifi, maybe I'm missing kernel driver too?
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54[00:13:46] <jadax> e.g 8812au
55[00:13:53] <SerajewelKS> jadax: try "modprobe 8812au"
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57[00:13:59] <SerajewelKS> if it doesn't fail then you have the kernel module
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59[00:14:21] <jadax> not found
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62[00:15:22] <jadax> i have no -name "*8812*" under /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/
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64[00:15:52] <Kocane> as
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67[00:17:00] <sZbcE8qNfG> is anyone here using nextcloud
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69[00:17:53] <jadax> I found this website: replaced-url
70[00:18:04] <jadax> should I try to compile on target?
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72[00:20:06] <jadax> there is also github driver: replaced-url
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98[00:34:14] <jadax> doesn't seem there is any support for my card in 4.9+ kernel
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100[00:39:02] <monkey-b> jadax: have you enabled non-free or contrib in the repos? then apt list *firmware* should show you the realtek one. I know i have made it would simply like that.
101[00:39:53] <monkey-b> jadax: but i'm running buster, not stretch so maybe it's that
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117[00:51:42] <borsin> which service (systemctl restart) would I need to restart to make changes to /etc/hosts apply without a full reboot?
118[00:52:41] <TvL2386> you don't have to restart any services
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120[00:53:01] <borsin> would systemd-networkd, do it?
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122[00:53:15] <TvL2386> for example: just add something in /etc/hosts, start google chrome and browse to whatever you put in /etc/hosts
123[00:53:20] <TvL2386> you'll see it works
124[00:54:01] <borsin> TvL2386: I'm unfortunately not seeing that. If I go to google.com after adding a block in /etc/hosts -- google.com still resolves after killing and restarting firefox.
125[00:54:26] <borsin> all browser settings, cache, cookies have also been cleared.
126[00:54:34] <TvL2386> borsin: that is weird, because I just added "127.0.0.1 facebook.com" >> /etc/hosts
127[00:54:37] <TvL2386> fired up firefox
128[00:54:50] <TvL2386> and going to replaced-url
129[00:55:03] <TvL2386> PING facebook.com (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
130[00:55:23] <TvL2386> I must admit I'm using ubuntu-18.04, so maybe it works differently on debian
131[00:55:47] <TvL2386> sorry for the confusion if that's the case
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134[00:55:55] <hypn0> doesn't that block facebook :-/
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136[00:56:20] <TvL2386> hypn0: first of all it's a test, second: is that a bad thing?
137[00:56:23] <borsin> hypn0: that's one of the intents. google.com was my example, whom also needs to be blocked. :)
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141[00:57:35] <borsin> for giggles, I had it set to '0.0.0.0 google.com' without quotes and I changed it to '127.0.0.1 google.com'. That small change doesn't help.
142[00:58:23] <FinalX> after modifying /etc/hosts, you need to restart any browser you have open to apply it as they have an internal cache
143[00:58:39] <borsin> FinalX: Did that, see above.
144[00:58:42] <TvL2386> hey said he killed firefox
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146[00:59:06] <borsin> And cleared all possible caches, cookies, crumbs. ;p
147[00:59:08] <FinalX> define resolves.
148[00:59:19] <TvL2386> just for more giggle borsin, while firefox is still showing you google, what does a `ping google.com` tell you? And a `dig google.com`
149[00:59:51] <borsin> FinalX: Resolve meaning I've tested the website intended to be _blocked_ on muliple browsers.
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151[01:00:11] <borsin> TvL2386: 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.036 ms
152[01:00:22] <borsin> TvL2386: Or in other words a success.
153[01:00:27] <TvL2386> yep
154[01:00:34] <TvL2386> but different from the browser
155[01:00:40] <borsin> True.
156[01:01:04] <TvL2386> so: either firefox cache survives a restart or the 2 programs have different methods of resolving
157[01:01:20] <TvL2386> and in the latter case, with different results obviously
158[01:01:37] <borsin> I've yet to restart. I'm sure that would solve this minor problem. It's the reboot I'm trying to avoid. This isn't windoze.
159[01:01:41] <FinalX> I know that Firefox is doing its own resolving in the latest version, though it still should be using the libc resolve functions without enabling those... never had that problem otherwise. A restart has always been enough.
160[01:02:01] <FinalX> You don't need to reboot for a /etc/hosts change, ever.
161[01:02:17] <TvL2386> ^--- true that
162[01:03:01] <FinalX> And as I understand, using ping facebook.com, you already get the wanted result.. which means glibc picked up on it just fine? browser issue, then.
163[01:03:22] <FinalX> are the browsers really running on the host OS, and not secretly in containers, like snap?
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168[01:04:19] <TvL2386> another thing I would check, is `tcpdump -i any port 53` while starting firefox and then eventually going to google.com
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170[01:04:46] <TvL2386> you can always inspect which queries are fired, where and what the response was
171[01:04:51] <borsin> Just restarted systemd-networkd and systemd-resolved, neither of which did anything apparantly useful.
172[01:05:02] <FinalX> getent ahosts facebook.com; getent ahostsv6 facebook.com
173[01:05:14] <FinalX> no, they are not related to /etc/hosts
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175[01:05:49] <FinalX> what you see in /etc/hosts is coming straight through glibc's resolvehost calls t hat are called by all applications trying to resolve a host
176[01:05:57] <borsin> 127.0.0.1 RAW
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178[01:06:03] <borsin> oops.
179[01:06:06] <FinalX> that first goes through /etc/hosts and then if that fails on to the system resolver, whatever that might be
180[01:06:17] <FinalX> getent uses that function call
181[01:06:55] <borsin> FinalX: replaced-url
182[01:07:11] <TvL2386> FinalX: yeah that's what I thought as well, so that only leaves option #1 then: firefox cache survives a restart/kill on borsins box, but not a reboot.... that's weird
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184[01:07:34] <FinalX> On Ubuntu, which, if I didn't misread, you say you were using, Firefox is running inside a snap, which is in its own kernel space.. so a seperate glibc (and no /etc/hosts) as well.
185[01:07:38] <FinalX> hence my earlier question
186[01:07:44] <FinalX> (starting with xenial/16.04)
187[01:08:01] <TvL2386> FinalX: I'm using ubuntu, borsin is not... borsin is having problems, I don't
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189[01:08:06] <borsin> TvL2386: I haven't confirmed on this box that a reboot wouldn't fix it but a very similar box had the same symptons and was fixed with a reboot.
190[01:08:08] <FinalX> ah
191[01:08:12] <FinalX> then I misread
192[01:08:15] <TvL2386> np :)
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195[01:09:17] <FinalX> there's no reason a reboot would do anything that a kill and start of Firefox wouldn't achieve either
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197[01:09:23] <FinalX> given that Firefox really did get killed
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199[01:09:50] <FinalX> not sure where its cache resides, but try a private browsing window and/or wipe the cache
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201[01:10:07] <FinalX> I doubt it's going to achieve much, I suspect it's something else at play. proxy, perhaps?
202[01:10:16] <borsin> Firefox is definitely dead. Or was dead prior to re-opening for a test.
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206[01:12:20] <FinalX> also, try see if /etc/host.conf exists and if it has "multi on" and "order hosts,bind".. but pretty sure it does, otherwise ping wouldn't have picked up on it
207[01:12:57] <FinalX> (if that file even still exists in stretch.. not sure..)
208[01:13:10] <borsin> FinalX: I have 'multi on' only.
209[01:15:01] <FinalX> the only thing I can come up with that'd make sense is if there was a replaced-url
210[01:15:22] <FinalX> s/replaced-url
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212[01:16:06] <FinalX> ..which can even be a system-wide setting through http_proxy environment variable
213[01:16:08] <borsin> FinalX: hmm, yeah that's not the case. I did add 'order hosts,bind'. That didn't change anything.
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216[01:16:40] <FinalX> then I fear I'm all out of ideas, sorry
217[01:16:57] <borsin> FinalX: As in 'echo $HTTP_PROXY'?
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219[01:17:16] <borsin> If so, that's blank or doesn'
220[01:17:19] <borsin> exist.
221[01:17:22] <FinalX> yes, might be lowercase even
222[01:17:24] <FinalX> ok
223[01:17:39] <borsin> Upper and lower are non-existent.
224[01:17:53] <borsin> Ugh!
225[01:18:00] <FinalX> curl -vk replaced-url
226[01:18:35] <borsin> That did fail, yes.
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229[01:22:36] <borsin> FinalX: Maybe this narrows it down. 'curl -vk replaced-url
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232[01:24:00] <FinalX> curious.. does the ping fail as the user as well?
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234[01:24:45] <borsin> ping is a success.
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236[01:24:55] <dka> I have a i7 8700k "Coffee Lake", I want to install Debian with cinnamon. I have Hardware acceleration issues and it is not usuable. I believe maybe xserver should be update. Do you know how I can get the latest version ?
237[01:24:57] <avis> hey :)
238[01:25:08] <FinalX> then.. beats me :) and I should be heading to bed, so.. I'm sorry and good luck :)
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241[01:27:54] <dka> How can I found the latest version in date of replaced-url
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244[01:31:50] <annadane> dka, don't install from sid
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246[01:32:11] <annadane> you can possibly backport it, i'm not sure
247[01:32:17] <annadane> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
248[01:32:18] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1; buster: 2:2.99.917+git20171229-1+b1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20171229-1+b1
249[01:32:37] <dka> How can I install Intel Coffee Lake GPU driver in Debian Stretch?
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261[01:37:12] <mentor> dka: The largest version number is the latest version
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264[01:38:23] <dka> replaced-url
265[01:38:33] <dka> I have Coffee lake, I want to have GPU driver acceleration
266[01:38:38] <dka> I am stuck, new computer, new debian install
267[01:38:42] <dka> any idea what I should Upgrade?
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270[01:40:57] <mentor> dka: What are you doing to check hardware acceleration is present?
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273[01:42:28] <borsin> Created a brand new user and still the problem persists. It's as if regular users aren't checking the /etc/hosts file.
274[01:43:02] <dka> mentor
275[01:43:05] <dka> I start cinnamon
276[01:43:10] <dka> and Cinnamon is showing a tooltip with this warning
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279[01:43:21] <dka> this warning happen when cinnamon driver graphic acceleration fail
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281[01:43:36] <dka> I presume cinnamon is right, because I can see the acceleration is not present
282[01:45:07] <annadane> oh it's possible firmware is required
283[01:45:21] <borsin> aha!! /etc/hosts was set to 600. Not sure how that would have happened.
284[01:45:31] <annadane> i'm not sure about this particular subject but you can check for potential needed firmware with dmesg | grep -i firmware
285[01:45:50] <annadane> hmm... not sure, though
286[01:46:39] <mentor> dka: "Cinnamon is currently running without video hardware acceleration and, as a result, you may observe much higher than normal CPU usage.
287[01:46:39] <mentor> There could be a problem with your drivers or some other issue. For the best experience, it is recommended that you only use this mode for troubleshooting purposes."?
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289[01:47:56] <dka> mentor, yes
290[01:47:59] <dka> I have anormal CPU usage
291[01:48:07] <dka> I am using the latest Intel CPU
292[01:48:09] <mentor> dka: Are you running this is a VM?
293[01:48:11] <dka> called Coffelake
294[01:48:17] <dka> No it's my new Dekstop
295[01:48:27] <dka> I want to use Debian
296[01:48:40] <dka> I can't because linux doesn't support new CPU with CoffeeLake
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300[01:50:22] <mentor> dka: What graphics hardware do you have?
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302[01:51:20] <dka> replaced-url
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308[02:00:49] <mentor> dka: OK, I'm having a little difficulty determining what cinnamon actually wants, but at the very least you need i915 firmware and the X server i915 driver
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318[02:06:19] <pulcherior> debian ftw!
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322[02:11:15] <jadax> I can't make Asus USB AC56 network card work with my debian 9.2 (4.9 kernel). Is there any hacker out there who knows what to do?
323[02:13:07] <mentor> jadax: What kernel is it supported by?
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325[02:13:39] <chocolate> what's the need of /var/puppet ?
326[02:14:20] <mentor> chocolate: Are you using puppet?
327[02:14:52] <chocolate> I think no. I just noticed it there today I think it wasn't before...
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330[02:17:05] <mentor> chocolate: Well, I presume it's for the puppet system configuration and administration software
331[02:19:56] <jadax> mentor I think none
332[02:20:34] <jadax> mentor some people compile it separately for e.g kernel 4.3
333[02:20:42] <mentor> I think there should be a standard USB network class/interface?
334[02:20:58] <mentor> jadax: So, there's a third-party driver?
335[02:21:15] <jadax> there used to be, 8812au
336[02:21:32] <mentor> Er?
337[02:21:42] <mentor> What does "used to be" mean?
338[02:21:50] <mentor> It doesn't work with newer kernels?
339[02:21:55] <jadax> mentor e.g this: replaced-url
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341[02:22:16] <mentor> Ah
342[02:22:18] <mentor> It's wifi
343[02:22:20] <jadax> i cannot compile it for 4.9, i think it compiles for kernels up to 4.3
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350[02:27:29] <mentor> jadax: Have you tried this: replaced-url
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357[02:32:20] <jadax> mentor i have not, but from git log it seems last supported kernel was 4.15
358[02:32:34] <jadax> 4.9 is before 4.15, correct?
359[02:32:38] <mentor> jadax: <4.9?
360[02:32:41] <mentor> Yes
361[02:32:51] <jadax> ok, so i should be good then
362[02:32:57] <jadax> gonna try right now
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364[02:33:09] <mentor> jadax: I have not otherwise validated that code repsository
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377[02:44:06] <jadax> mentor it compiled and adapter seems to work!
378[02:44:12] <mentor> Hurrah!
379[02:44:17] <jadax> trying to connect to network now
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382[02:47:51] <jadax> it connected but throughput is really low
383[02:48:05] <jadax> 2-3s to ping google
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385[02:48:41] <jadax> on windows i used to play CS:GO on that card with pings <100ms consistent
386[02:48:54] <jadax> I will reboot debian maybe
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388[02:49:44] <jadax> i think i loaded that driver directly from USB stick, that might be it
389[02:50:54] <awal1> any command line utility to rename (tag) audio files?
390[02:51:03] <awal1> something simple
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393[02:54:46] <jadax> mentor got it fully working now, thanks!
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395[02:55:34] <mentor> Kernel modules get loaded into kernel memory out of necessity, it shouldn't be accessing it from the USB stick after it is loaded
396[02:56:09] <jadax> I tightened wifi antenna too :)
397[02:56:25] <jadax> it was loose
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457[04:10:47] <pclover> So i have a question. Is there way to remove some gnome stuff without nuking the entire thing using apt-get autoremove
458[04:11:10] <annadane> gnome "stuff"
459[04:11:21] <annadane> i'm actually not sure what the best method is
460[04:11:36] <annadane> i'd think it depends on how it was installed, like tasksel or one of the smaller packages
461[04:11:52] <pclover> yeah my idea to reduce the size but retain a usable gnome install
462[04:11:58] <pclover> and not nuke the entire thing using autoremove
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465[04:12:28] <nemo> I'm not too familiar w/ gnome3, but at least mate is packaged over like a dozen sub packages
466[04:12:36] <nemo> surely some of those can be removed..
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468[04:13:08] <nemo> looks like gnome is fairly similar
469[04:13:23] <pclover> seems like it's a mess doing so than not worth the savings
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471[04:13:51] <nemo> this is to save space?
472[04:13:57] <pclover> yeah it's to make a VM compact
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475[04:14:17] <pclover> for example the music player, libreoffice, etc i don't need
476[04:14:18] <annadane> it sort of depends what you want removed, you can look at what got installed in your apt history, apt show the packages to see what they do, and apt remove them selectively
477[04:14:29] <nemo> pclover: ah. if it's just for a compact VM why not use absolutely any other desktop environment?
478[04:14:36] <nemo> for one thing gnome3 and kde burn a ton of RAM
479[04:14:42] <nemo> aaand require graphics acceleration to boot
480[04:14:54] <pclover> maybe that's a better idea
481[04:14:58] <annadane> sometimes when you remove things it threatens to remove a lot, not just autoremove, with gnome, i'm not sure though, you'd probably have to trial and error it
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485[04:15:54] <pclover> annadane, yeah i didn't pay enough attention and it removed too much and i had to reinstall gnome
486[04:16:28] <pclover> well gnome and all the related packages
487[04:16:36] <nemo> one surprise for me from this dude's tests was that XFCE now burned more RAM than MATE - there was a time when XFCE was the lightweight desktop alternative
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489[04:17:06] <nemo> but for a VM you could use windowmaker or something and go even more lightweight
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491[04:17:25] <pclover> one reason for the gui is to get multiple shell windows
492[04:17:48] <nemo> heh. you don't even need a window manager for that - it's just a good idea ☺
493[04:17:55] <nemo> but even tinywm has that
494[04:18:55] <pclover> hum
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496[04:20:03] <annadane> i theorize that gnome includes a bunch of important stuff which depends on task-gnome-desktop, or whatever
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498[04:20:13] <annadane> when i remove synaptic in xfce it doesn't threaten to remove half the desktop
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500[04:20:52] <pclover> yeah that's pretty much the issue i am running into now i think
501[04:21:41] <pclover> is there a way to set apt to NOT remove packages you specify
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503[04:21:49] <annadane> apt-mark hold
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505[04:23:00] <pclover> seems like it's just better to deal with it
506[04:23:53] <pclover> or just use something else than gnome
507[04:24:40] <awal1> pclover, inter-dependency of pkgs is complex. if you don't want the whole gnome DE don't install 'gnome' or 'task-gnome'desktop', install gnome-core and so and build your own gnome
508[04:25:43] <awal1> if you don't really know what gnome is and just trying to have a compact vm, just run a window manager+pkgs you really need
509[04:25:43] <annadane> yep. there are smaller metapackages. the debian wiki page on gnome probably covers it
510[04:26:07] <awal1> easiest and ready to use 'fluxbox'
511[04:26:31] <awal1> if you like config stuff yourself go for openbox, fvwm...
512[04:26:46] <pclover> seems there is a few options.
513[04:26:59] <awal1> pclover , what do you want to get/do with your vm?
514[04:27:17] <awal1> that is the important part :P
515[04:27:32] <pclover> it's pretty much a test vm i might run some python scripts and cross compile stuff for windows using mingw-w64
516[04:27:48] <awal1> go for a window manager so
517[04:28:21] <awal1> very lightweight and stable 'jwm'
518[04:29:01] <awal1> something almost entirely configured yet 'fluxbox' 'icewm'
519[04:29:44] <pclover> seems i need to sit and look at this and figure out what i want. It's for for you to decide for me :)
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522[04:33:17] <pclover> i've just used gnome since it's what i've used for years...
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539[04:56:41] <acidtripper> Hey there slackers!!
540[04:57:03] <acidtripper> heheh again confused
541[04:57:08] <acidtripper> hey there Debiantas
542[04:57:10] <annadane> i used slackware. once.
543[04:57:11] <acidtripper> debianitas
544[04:57:22] <acidtripper> good distro also,
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560[05:09:27] <awal1> ,v packagesearch
561[05:09:28] <judd> Package: packagesearch on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3; jessie: 2.7.4; buster: 2.7.5+b4; stretch: 2.7.5+b4; sid: 2.7.8
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563[05:10:01] <nemo> pclover: if you're just running builds... why even use a window manager, why not just use the default VTs. alt-Fx ?
564[05:10:34] <pclover> i will run some python stuff that will create windows at times
565[05:10:37] <nemo> plus maybe gpm
566[05:10:38] <nemo> ah ok
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568[05:10:55] <nemo> maybe it has ncurses fallbacks ☺
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570[05:11:07] <pclover> that actually isn't a bad idea
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807[09:47:02] <YesMan> Hello
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809[09:47:51] <YesMan> What is the man page that describe the debian directory structure?
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812[09:50:55] <well_laid_lawn> the debian wiki talks about the filesystem hierachy standard
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830[09:57:40] <f100024> Hi there
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835[09:59:13] <Haohmaru> systemd-journald[219]: Failed to open system journal: No space left on device
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837[10:00:06] <Haohmaru> i think i remember in the past that i might have enabled (somehow) logging of something that is disabled by default, to troubleshoot a suspend-related issue
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839[10:00:40] <Haohmaru> and i think the root partition is now full of logs
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847[10:09:34] <dexta> morning
848[10:10:24] <YesMan> the man page I was looking for is man hier
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854[10:15:06] <YesMan> I thought it was missing from the man pages, but it seems that since stretch it is accessed by man file-hierarchy
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871[10:29:17] <JustASlacker> Haohmaru: probably in /var/run/journal
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873[10:30:10] <JustASlacker> if it isnt in /var/log, obviously
874[10:30:42] <JustASlacker> and I meant /run/log/journal *sigh*
875[10:30:50] * JustASlacker coffee++
876[10:31:02] <Haohmaru> yeah, i found about 500MB in /var/log/journald
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878[10:31:28] <JustASlacker> journalctl --disk-usage
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880[10:32:09] <Haohmaru> i think it's too late for that
881[10:32:11] <JustASlacker> should be able to set limits like journalctl --vacuum-size=500M
882[10:32:34] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
883[10:32:54] <Haohmaru> i get "Failed to raise network interfaces" before the login manager starts :/
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885[10:33:36] <JustASlacker> uh
886[10:33:54] <JustASlacker> but you can still connect to it?
887[10:33:56] <Haohmaru> this machine worked fine for months
888[10:34:05] <JustASlacker> or are you sitting right in front of it
889[10:34:18] <Haohmaru> yes, i'm sitting on it
890[10:34:34] <JustASlacker> you should be able to switch to a text console then
891[10:34:40] <JustASlacker> and issue commands as per link above
892[10:34:48] <JustASlacker> journalctl --rotate
893[10:34:49] <JustASlacker> journalctl --vacuum-time=1s
894[10:35:04] <JustASlacker> or just delete stuff in /var/log by hand
895[10:35:06] <Haohmaru> forget that, i freed up space, enough so that LXDE starts
896[10:36:10] <Haohmaru> hm, this time WICD did not complain and the machine has gotten an IP
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900[10:36:39] <Haohmaru> damn it, i think something's f*cked up with the network here, and specifically the computer that plays the role of DHCP >:(
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903[10:36:59] <JustASlacker> that seems unrelated to your space issue
904[10:37:11] <Haohmaru> it's not related
905[10:37:27] <Haohmaru> it's just two things that happened at once today
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907[10:39:37] <ZetFury> Hi, I'm getting a small rectangular unclickable piece on the top left of my screen after an hour or so after system (debian 9, kde, non-free nvidia driver) starts. It's either black or keeps a frozen image from whatever was open when it began, for example a tab in firefox. Anyone know what could cause this? I've tried reboot, restart sddm, update, disable/change compositor.
908[10:40:42] <jelly> ZetFury: sounds like a (piece of a) window for an unresponsive appplication
909[10:40:42] <Haohmaru> can you right-click it?
910[10:40:57] <ZetFury> no, cant right click it
911[10:41:02] <jelly> can you xkill it
912[10:41:06] <ZetFury> mouse can hover over it
913[10:41:32] <ZetFury> i don't know what application it is
914[10:41:42] <jelly> if you don't care, just xkill it
915[10:41:42] <ZetFury> tried shutting down all my programs but it's still there
916[10:41:47] <JustASlacker> restart X
917[10:42:04] <darxmurf> ZetFury: do you have Clipit installed ?
918[10:42:05] <Haohmaru> i suspect it's some stupid kde widget thing
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920[10:42:16] <ZetFury> by X, do you mean sddm?
921[10:42:20] <jelly> ZetFury: if you care, see if xprop tool can figure out what it is
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923[10:42:42] <ZetFury> no dont have clipip that i know of
924[10:42:47] <ZetFury> clipit*
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926[10:43:18] <ZetFury> only got this issue just recently, been running without issue for months
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930[10:44:03] <darxmurf> I don't know what's wrong with clipit but mine is pretty buggy and keeps a blank rectangle top left of my screen when I try to open the "about" box
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932[10:44:06] <darxmurf> then I have to kill it
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935[10:44:44] <ZetFury> thank you for the xprop, never heard of that, figured it out, it was steam
936[10:44:49] <ZetFury> cheers!
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939[10:45:39] <Haohmaru> i got clipit (lxde seems to come with it) but i get no such issues
940[10:45:47] <Haohmaru> it just sits on the systemtray
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943[10:46:41] <darxmurf> and I can't also use the shortcut key to display the history
944[10:46:49] <darxmurf> I'll try to purge it and reinstall
945[10:47:32] <Haohmaru> ah wait, i don't actually use it, when it runs the first time, it pops a dialog to ask me about whether i want to <somethingsomething> and i say No
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951[10:49:47] <Haohmaru> Q: i've added stretch-backports to Synaptic, and i see new versions of programs that come from there, can i just use Synaptic to install them?
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956[10:53:01] <leni536> Hi, I tried to set up a persistent cgroup configuration via /etc/cgconfig.conf
957[10:53:09] <leni536> But it doesn't get applied on reboot
958[10:53:17] <leni536> cgconfigparser applies it just fine
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960[10:53:38] <leni536> What service should I enable on Debian to apply it on boot?
961[10:54:54] <leni536> apparently on Red-Hat they have a cgconfig service installed with libcgroup
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965[10:57:18] <leni536> Of course I can just set up a root @reboot cron job to invoke cgconfigparser, if there is no other solution
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1043[11:44:46] <neo4> is debian a fairly good OS? :)
1044[11:45:22] <kopper> What kind of answer you expect at #debian?
1045[11:45:23] <neo4> I read that ubuntu is the best...
1046[11:45:34] <n4dir> !best
1047[11:45:56] <neo4> kopper, somebody can say it sucks
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1049[11:46:07] <neo4> n4dir: ubuntu is the best?
1050[11:46:51] <n4dir> the bot dpkg has info i tried to tell via !best, but dpkg is broken for me again, it seems. The short version: such questions don't make any sense.
1051[11:47:02] <neo4> I agree, a desktop and a server the same OS. It's much better than red hat
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1054[11:47:49] <neo4> n4dir: the worset is red hat
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1081[12:09:03] <eugenmayer> is there anything to be expected ( issues ) when one preinstalls aller hypervisor tools, open-vm-tools (ESXi), xen-tools (Citrix XEN) and hyperv-daemons (HyperV). The point is, we build a generic VM (stretch) and do not know in advance, which hypervisor the customer will use. Any experience with those?
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1084[12:10:50] <JustASlacker> dont they all talk to libvirt?
1085[12:11:33] <rk4> i'm not sure libvirt applies here
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1091[12:14:05] <eugenmayer> JustASlacker: libvirt looks rather like a generic cli tool for all those hypervisors to manager VM provisioning, but the tools above are rather kernel modules to allow the HV
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1093[12:14:38] <eugenmayer> to access special VM features, be it usage states or doing proper reboots, doing paravirtualization of the network / disk stack for better performance and so on
1094[12:15:03] <eugenmayer> what i ask myself is, what happens if the modules for hyperv are loaded when its a XEN / ESXi
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1100[12:19:19] <rk4> most of us avoid the problem by not installing all the guest packages. it's a hairy question, it's certainly answerable but not easily by most
1101[12:19:55] <JustASlacker> yeah
1102[12:20:31] <JustASlacker> why not put all the .deb packages on the system and have a script that installs the correct one, after boot ?
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1106[12:21:40] <eugenmayer> JustASlacker: this would make up the question, how to detect the hypervisor automatically
1107[12:21:59] <eugenmayer> rk4: so you just install all of those and it kind of works for you?
1108[12:22:16] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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1111[12:23:13] <eugenmayer> oh thats cool, thanks JustASlacker!
1112[12:24:11] <JustASlacker> no sweat
1113[12:24:18] <JustASlacker> this looks like a better link: replaced-url
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1117[12:25:20] <rk4> eugenmayer: no, quite the opposite. i install the bare minimum.
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1120[12:26:24] <JustASlacker> sounds like the right time to look into a better provisioning method, like ansible or whatnot
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1123[12:27:14] <JustASlacker> install everything just in case kinda does not sound like the right approach, even if it would be possible
1124[12:27:17] <Kadigan> Hey guys. What is the current method to get Apache at version 2.4.26 or better on Deb9? My candidate is 2.4.25-3+deb9u5.
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1128[12:29:18] <Kadigan> I see some instructions on http2.pro/doc/Apache, but I'm unable to follow them. Should I even follow them?
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1130[12:29:59] <rk4> out of curiousity, what happened in .25->.26 that you need?
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1132[12:30:40] <Kadigan> Three CVEs in mod_http2, two of them fairly serious (one DoS attack, one remote server crash, one SSL verification bypass)
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1137[12:31:35] <rk4> and are they unpatched in debian?
1138[12:31:45] <Kadigan> Apparently patched in 2.4.26 and later.
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1140[12:32:16] <rk4> so debian has a pretty decent record on security, what is one of the CVEs?
1141[12:32:25] <rk4> [ replaced-url
1142[12:32:49] <Kadigan> The CVEs are: CVE-2016-1546, CVE-2016-4979, CVE-2017-7659
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1144[12:32:59] <rk4> odds are the fix has been backported to the packaged apache in debian
1145[12:33:55] <Kadigan> How would I look up whether this is the case or not?
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1147[12:34:19] <rk4> replaced-url
1148[12:35:00] <rk4> ah, and 1546 is fixed too - replaced-url
1149[12:35:19] <rk4> damn. debian tooling is pretty nice :)
1150[12:36:18] <rk4> did you run a tool that told you that the apache install was vulnerable?
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1159[12:45:11] <Kadigan> Sorry, I was out for a bit. No, I started w/ reading up on it and looking for set-up instructions.
1160[12:45:40] <Kadigan> (I tried running mod_http2 i 2017 but it was too involved for me - this would be the primary reason)
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1170[12:54:41] <leni536> Hi, how do I make /etc/cgconfig.conf applied on boot, is there a dedicated systemd service for that?
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1178[13:01:05] <Fox> host1
1179[13:01:12] <Fox> oups, wrong term
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1188[13:07:20] <Kadigan> rk4: so, bottom line... 2.4.25's mod_http2 should be safe to use.
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1193[13:09:10] <Kadigan> Yeah, looks like all are 'fixed' on 2.4.25-3+deb9u5.
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1197[13:12:06] <dxsweet> Hello
1198[13:12:16] <petn-randall> hi dxsweet
1199[13:13:02] <dxsweet> How are you ?
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1201[13:14:00] <hexhaxtron> I'm getting Access Denied on MariaDB. Anyone knows how to fix this?
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1207[13:21:27] <eugenmayer> JustASlacker: well, i am using chef :)
1208[13:22:18] <eugenmayer> JustASlacker: i am pre provisioning the instance with packer + chef, but when the vm has been build, the customer do download it and "chef time is over" - i can no longer post provision it. So chef, and please god no ansible - aint a solution in this case for me
1209[13:22:55] <eugenmayer> JustASlacker: thats what we do in our infrastructure, but its homogene anyway, i do mostly not need any "detection" - but those servers are all chef-deployed / converged
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1215[13:26:15] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: Use the right username/password?
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1237[13:40:25] <dxsweet> Hello
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1249[13:57:35] <JustASlacker> try to access mariadb over socket
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1251[13:58:51] <JustASlacker> mysql -S /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
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1255[14:01:24] <leni536> Hi, apparently by default /sys/fs/cgroup/unified/user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/ is owned by my main user.
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1257[14:01:55] <eugenmayer> JustASlacker: i used a custom dmidecode script to detect the hypervisor and install the tools in question
1258[14:02:02] <leni536> and systemd supposedly delegates the pid and memory controllers
1259[14:02:03] <JustASlacker> eugenmayer: \o/
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1261[14:02:05] <eugenmayer> Thanks for the hints, very usefull
1262[14:02:11] <JustASlacker> glad to help
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1265[14:02:36] <petn-randall> leni536: Do you have a support question about it?
1266[14:02:45] <leni536> yes
1267[14:02:48] <leni536> I'm getting to it
1268[14:03:17] <leni536> I want to set memory.swappiness to certain user processes
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1272[14:03:42] <Kemopan> Hello! Could anybody help me with setting up bridge? I've made bridge in debian 7 before, but something changed in current release, mine bridge only forwarding CDP, ARP and STP
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1274[14:03:53] <leni536> according to /lib/systemd/system/user@.service the pids and memory controllers are supposedly delegated
1275[14:04:05] <Kemopan> Am I missing some sort of options in kernel? :S
1276[14:04:05] <leni536> I can create subgroups just fine with mkdir
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1278[14:04:32] <leni536> but echo 0 > memory.swappiness results in permission denied
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1280[14:05:01] <leni536> cat cgroups.controllers doesn't return anything (in user@1000.service)
1281[14:05:32] <petn-randall> leni536: I don't think you can set the swappiness per process, that a global setting. What goal are you trying to achieve?
1282[14:05:39] <petn-randall> *that's
1283[14:05:49] <leni536> you can certainly set swappiness per cgroup
1284[14:06:27] <leni536> I successfully did that for the lightdm.service group
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1287[14:08:05] <leni536> To be fair, I don't know yet how effective it is, but at least I don't get permission problems
1288[14:09:44] <leni536> About my goal, I would like to set the swappiness of Xorg and my window manager to 0, also set a keybinding in my wm so I can start a 0 swappiness terminal.
1289[14:10:16] <petn-randall> leni536: replaced-url
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1293[14:11:01] <petn-randall> leni536: What are you trying to improve on? If you have memory pressure, swapping is a important bit of memory management to still give processes memory.
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1295[14:11:37] <leni536> sure
1296[14:12:01] <leni536> I just want responsive GUI when my laptop grinds to halt during swapping
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1298[14:12:26] <leni536> When it starts to swap I prefer that firefox and gimp get swapped first instead of Xorg and my window manager and even my mouse pointer lags heavily
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1300[14:12:43] <rk4> turning off swap, will invoke the oom killer when you run out of memory, which will resolve the problem rather fast. i prefer that to swapping happening
1301[14:12:55] <leni536> It's not a global option
1302[14:13:19] <leni536> firefox and gimp will get swapped
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1305[14:13:30] <leni536> I have enough swap space
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1307[14:13:32] <petn-randall> That's another way to solve it, it being however rather drastic.
1308[14:14:28] <leni536> I don't trust the oom killer
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1311[14:17:08] <jelly> leni536: step 1) limit swap size on disk to 512MB, not more
1312[14:17:31] <jelly> maybe 0 if all the kernel VM bugs with zero swap are gone now
1313[14:18:13] <Kadigan> Okay, so how do I get a more recent version of Apache -anyway-? 2.4.29 released a -year- ago. What the hell?
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1315[14:18:17] <petn-randall> leni536: You can of course tweak the memory swappiness of different users/processes, but I wouldn't expect too much out of it. I'd rather get a slice of more RAM instead, or close programs I'm not using. Disk access times are in the order of 10.000 slower than RAM access times, so things will get painful either way.
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1317[14:18:27] <jelly> if you have leaky apps and want to squeeze more life, allocate half the ram for zram and put swap on that
1318[14:18:41] <jelly> failing all that
1319[14:18:45] <jelly> step 3) buy more RAM
1320[14:19:10] <jelly> if your workload needs more RAM that's the only real solution
1321[14:19:30] <leni536> Yeah, I know the obvious solutions, I just want to experiment.
1322[14:19:56] <jelly> Kadigan: which functionality from >= 2.4.30 are you missing? Debian does not upgrade versions during a release.
1323[14:20:02] <petn-randall> Kadigan: Why do you want to have that?
1324[14:20:09] <Kadigan> jelly: mod_md, actually.
1325[14:20:17] <Kadigan> (LetsEncrypt automator for httpd)
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1328[14:20:27] <Kadigan> Avail 2.4.30+
1329[14:20:51] <leni536> Basically when my computer starts swapping I want to quickly start a terminal and htop and choose which processes I want to kill
1330[14:20:55] <jelly> if you can't use any alternative LE client, you'll have to make your own backport of apache
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1332[14:21:11] <jelly> I use dehydrated on everything from Debian 7 to 9
1333[14:21:12] <leni536> I don't want to oom killer to choose in place of me
1334[14:21:17] <Kadigan> Okay, I'll look into alternatives.
1335[14:21:21] * jelly won't admit to having older Debians
1336[14:21:22] <petn-randall> Kadigan: It's an experimental plugin, that's why it's likely not packaged. For me, certbot and proxy forwarding to it via apache works.
1337[14:21:46] <JustASlacker> have to hookup letsencrypt to our dns one of these days
1338[14:21:51] * petn-randall looks at all the dust in jelly's apartment.
1339[14:21:56] <Kadigan> Yeah, I'm using certbot w/ htroot auth on the old setup.
1340[14:23:07] <jelly> if it's an experimental apache mod, you might build jsut that with apxs locally
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1342[14:23:51] <jelly> just install apache2-dev first
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1344[14:28:17] <eugenmayer> why not just using the docker LE variant?
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1346[14:28:52] <eugenmayer> or just use a proper SSL offloading proxy with good LE capabilites like either traefik or some of the nginx "kinda" variants.
1347[14:28:55] <Kadigan> jelly: can dehydrated do wildcard certs?
1348[14:29:52] <eugenmayer> Kadigan: if you really start off with wildcard certs and you control the stack, look on Traefik
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1350[14:30:21] <eugenmayer> it has the whole LE part build in, HTTP-01, DNS-01 ( with acme v2 for wildcards ) and it basically gets a cert for every frontend you define
1351[14:30:42] <eugenmayer> and it respects wildcards if the frontend domain matches the wildcard.
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1358[14:34:04] <jelly> Kadigan: didn't try yet
1359[14:34:11] <Kadigan> It seems to.
1360[14:34:18] <jelly> træfik seems nice but is really new
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1366[14:43:20] <Kemopan> no bridge users? >_<
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1372[14:51:48] <jelly> Kemopan: where do you define the bridge, /etc/network/interfaces? Can you show the definition, output of "brctl show", and make sure no firewall rules are affecting the traffic?
1373[14:51:53] <jelly> !paste
1374[14:51:54] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1375[14:52:36] <jelly> if only broadcast traffic goes thru that means... er, I have no idea what that means
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1381[14:55:50] <Kemopan> jelly, i've being using iproute2 utils, tried old style brctl too. iptables is completely clean, it's new debian 9.5 install. I see correct CDP, ARP, Multicast and STP on other side.
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1386[14:58:06] <Kemopan> brctl show replaced-url
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1390[15:01:30] <Kemopan> I can connect to bridge interface IP, but cannot go thru it, as I listen with tcpdump @ sub-interface of bridge or bridge interface I see L3 traffic only when I'm connecting to bridge IP
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1409[15:15:55] <n4dir> still trying to figure out why playing videos is slow. Perhaps someone can help me. Here are the error messages of vlc and mpv: replaced-url
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1411[15:16:52] <Brigo> Kemopan, a bridge with just one interface?
1412[15:17:15] <Kemopan> Brigo, two, ens224 and vxlan99
1413[15:17:57] <Brigo> Kemopan, i don't see the vxland99 in the bridge configuration
1414[15:18:16] <Brigo> n4dir, something related to the driver. Which graphic card is that?
1415[15:19:10] <Kemopan> Brigo, i'm configuring it in runtime
1416[15:19:21] <n4dir> Brigo: RV350 [Radeon 9550/9600/X1050 Series]; kernel driver in use: radeon (both from lspci)
1417[15:20:12] <Brigo> n4dir, check or paste the /var/log/Xorg.0.log configuration about your driver.
1418[15:21:12] <n4dir> replaced-url
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1422[15:23:13] <Brigo> n4dir, it looks like the driver is perfectly fine.
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1424[15:23:42] <Brigo> n4dir, are you using debian stable without outside packages?
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1427[15:24:38] <n4dir> It is old-stable, as this is a powerpc, there is either old-stable or sid possible (as far i know). It has 1.5 Gig of Ram and 2Gh Cpu, which ain't great, but i assumed it should suffice to play a small video (but don't know).
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1429[15:25:06] <n4dir> ups: yup, no outside packages (i think i compiled gopher from source and 1 or 2 from sid)
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1432[15:25:46] <Brigo> n4dir, let me check those erros.
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1436[15:26:21] <n4dir> thanks. I tried, but to no avail.
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1442[15:28:14] <Brigo> n4dir, what's the output of glxinfo |grep rendering: ?
1443[15:28:39] <n4dir> i think i tried and it said yes, but let me doublecheck
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1447[15:29:52] <n4dir> ups, i am wrong: replaced-url
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1450[15:30:42] <Brigo> n4dir, this looks like related: replaced-url
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1454[15:31:59] <Brigo> check if you have those package installed: mesa-utils libgl1-mesa-glx
1455[15:33:10] <n4dir> yes, both are installed, Brigo
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1461[15:35:31] <Brigo> n4dir, in that link they say they can workaround the problem by setting 16 bits depth in xorg.conf
1462[15:35:35] <hans_> how do i install cgi for apache2? /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/serve-cgi-bin.conf try to enable mod_cgi *if available*, but according to `apachectl -M | grep -i cgi` it's not available..
1463[15:36:35] <Brigo> hans_, libapache2-mod-fcgid ?
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1465[15:36:52] <hans_> no, not fastcgi, regular old normal cgi
1466[15:37:11] <n4dir> Brigo: yes, i am reading through the link. Will try that, but it will take a while (xorg.conf is a while ago)
1467[15:37:46] <hans_> huh, apparenrly running `a2enmod cgid` `service apache2 restart` fixed it (dunno why, but it did)
1468[15:37:59] <Brigo> hans_, there is a lot of libapache-mod-* but no ane is cgi, maybe it has another name.
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1470[15:38:34] <hans_> well whatever, it works now ^^
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1483[15:50:40] <n4dir> Brigo: that worked, the videos now do play in a speed which makes it worth watching. Thanks a lot. :-)
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1496[15:57:31] <BlAd373> hi everyone
1497[15:57:51] <BlAd373> sorry my bad english
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1500[15:58:19] <BlAd373> I have problems installing debian9.5 on ssd in dual boot
1501[15:58:36] <BlAd373> after open the selection screen and proceed to start the installation is blocked with black screen
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1503[15:58:46] <BlAd373> if i try with speack i give al the istruction language et
1504[15:59:14] <BlAd373> same problem with kali linux
1505[15:59:31] <BlAd373> no issue with backbox , ubuntu 18 and they install perfectly
1506[16:00:14] <BlAd373> some suggestion for have again debian again in my laptop
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1516[16:02:39] <jaami> is it possible to have lxqt desktop installed on minimal debian? how to do that?
1517[16:03:08] <jelly> ,v lxqt
1518[16:03:09] <greycat> 1) install debian; 2) apt-get install lxqt
1519[16:03:09] <judd> Package: lxqt on amd64 -- stretch: 13; buster: 27; sid: 27
1520[16:03:19] <jelly> there's a package for that?
1521[16:03:28] <greycat> Package: lxqt
1522[16:03:31] <greycat> Depends: lxqt-core (= 13), lxqt-about, lxqt-admin, lxqt-config, lxqt-globalkeys, lxqt-notificationd, lxqt-openssh-askpass, lxqt-policykit, lxqt-powermanagement, lxqt-qtplugin, lxqt-runner, sddm-theme-maui | sddm-theme-debian-maui | lightdm | gdm3 | lxdm | slim
1523[16:04:30] <jelly> ,i task-lxqt-desktop
1524[16:04:31] <judd> Package task-lxqt-desktop (tasks, optional) in stretch/amd64: LXQt. Version: 3.39; Size: 0.9k; Installed: 6k
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1527[16:05:09] <jelly> jaami: you can be silly and run tasksel and pick that task, or you can install it manually and then you don't have a minimal debian any more
1528[16:05:46] <jaami> one problem that i expect to face is that how to start desktop from grub prompt when debian minimal will be complete?
1529[16:07:18] <jaami> almost every time i installed debian i faced the same grub prompt to login. that is annoying for me. i would like to know how to jump to desktop from there
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1533[16:08:18] <jaami> even if i install the required package for desktop , i dont know how to start desktop from prompt
1534[16:08:31] <n4dir> for example with: startx
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1537[16:08:53] <n4dir> or add a display-manager (i think kdm, gdm, lightdm, slim, whatnot)
1538[16:09:14] <jaami> oh ok
1539[16:09:18] <jelly> or install the damn package
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1541[16:09:27] <greycat> The task-lxqt-desktop thing will bring in a display m anager.
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1544[16:09:58] <jelly> as will package lxqt
1545[16:09:59] <greycat> It explicitly Depends on sddm.
1546[16:10:02] <jaami> please let me what else i might be asked. I really appreciate that
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1549[16:12:11] <jaami> unfortunately, the leave button was pressed excedentally. damn .. i could not save the previous instructions
1550[16:12:25] <greycat> Install either lxqt or task-lxqt-desktop
1551[16:12:30] <greycat> Those are the full instructions.
1552[16:12:44] <jelly> task will probably set up a more extensive set of things
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1556[16:15:13] <jaami> my laptop is too old and have no HDD , i will try to boot it from usb , so i am very much interested in very small but proper desktop
1557[16:15:48] <greycat> I'm really not sure what makes a desktop "proper".
1558[16:16:00] <jaami> :)
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1560[16:16:41] <jaami> a very new user of linux will be using it , so i think proper desktop means windows like desktop. its just my guess.
1561[16:17:06] <jaami> i am not sure what does proper desktop means.
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1563[16:17:31] <jaami> i am sorry, for my extremely less knowledge about debian
1564[16:18:04] <jaami> lol
1565[16:18:11] <jaami> let go do the work
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1568[16:18:24] <jaami> let me ***
1569[16:18:33] <n4dir> as far i can see the difference between lxqt and task-lxqt-desktop is that the latter contains software like libreoffice, gnome-orca, synaptic, etc. You have to decide if you need those extra apps or not. replaced-url
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1573[16:19:12] <n4dir> jelly already said it, i only added the link for task-lxqt-desktop and kinda confirmed what he said.
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1576[16:20:12] <greycat> Oh, and if this was truly a *minimal* Debian installation which has never started X before, you might also need to install xorg, video chipset firmware, etc.
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1578[16:20:39] <greycat> Previous instructions kinda assumed that you had been running X already.
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1581[16:21:32] <n4dir> looks like the lxqt task depends on desktop-task, which will bring in X and such.
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1584[16:22:03] <n4dir> other way around: task-desktop, not desktop-task. damn.
1585[16:22:06] <gedia> hello. is there a way to pass options to dpkg-source when using debuild?
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1588[16:22:50] <dxsweet> Why not use openbox , it is the best desktop
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1590[16:24:51] <dxsweet> And it is better than lxqt
1591[16:25:06] <greycat> !better
1592[16:25:07] <dpkg> somebody said better was a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
1593[16:25:28] <jelly> dxsweet: openbox is a WM not a DE
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1595[16:25:41] <BlAd373b> guy someone can help me for install Debian in dual boot?
1596[16:26:09] <doublehp> how to dig this ? is there a verbose mode ? "dpkg: error processing package dpkg (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139
1597[16:26:33] <jelly> dxsweet: and it doesn't answer the question, it just replaces it with a new question "how to install openbox"
1598[16:26:41] <greycat> If there's nothing above that on the screen, you might want to add set -x to the postinst script.
1599[16:26:44] <doublehp> BlAd373b: #linux, as dualboot is offtopic
1600[16:27:10] <dxsweet> jelly, openbox is DE, not WM
1601[16:27:15] <jelly> doublehp: how the fuck is dualboot of Debian and something else offtopic?
1602[16:27:17] <BlAd373b> thnx
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1604[16:28:13] <jelly> BlAd373b: just ask and we'll try to help if we know
1605[16:29:57] <jelly> doublehp: exit status 139 equals 128 | 11, the installation script died with signal 11 (SIGSEGV, segmentation fault)
1606[16:30:01] <greycat> He started asking earlier. Some kind of laptop, unknown model, black screen, no details.
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1610[16:31:03] <doublehp> jelly: when 3 different packages die with the same error number, I want to see the error message
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1612[16:31:28] <greycat> Add set -x to the postinst script.
1613[16:31:30] <jelly> doublehp: try again (dpkg --configure -a), if it happens again look at dmesg and try to see which specific processes segfaults
1614[16:31:42] <dxsweet> send file:///home/dxsweet/2018-09-21-223053_1920x1080_scrot.png
1615[16:31:48] <greycat> If you've got random things segfaulting, it could be hardware.
1616[16:32:01] <jelly> or the kernel
1617[16:32:08] <petn-randall> dxsweet: Whatever you tried to do, it failed.
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1620[16:32:39] <doublehp> jelly: Setting up policykit-1 (0.105-14.1ubuntu0.1) ... Segmentation fault
1621[16:32:48] <doublehp> dmesg does not help
1622[16:33:08] <greycat> You know what helps? Being in the proper channel.
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1624[16:33:39] <petn-randall> doublehp: What OS/release are you running?
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1626[16:33:58] <doublehp> petn-randall: xenial
1627[16:34:04] <TvL2386> random segfaults smells like RAM errors
1628[16:34:11] <jelly> doublehp: which channel is this?
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1630[16:34:23] <jelly> doublehp: this is #debian
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1632[16:34:37] <doublehp> and xenial isn't debian ?
1633[16:34:40] <jelly> doublehp: xenial is not a Debian codename release
1634[16:34:48] <jelly> !debian suite
1635[16:34:48] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
1636[16:34:48] <TvL2386> lol... ubuntu of course!!!!!!!!!!1
1637[16:34:51] <doublehp> ok, thought it was
1638[16:35:12] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
1639[16:35:12] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1640[16:35:13] <greycat> Debian packages also never have the word "ubuntu" in their version numbers.
1641[16:35:23] <petn-randall> doublehp: You likely want to try the channel above ^^^.
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1652[16:44:25] <jelly> it doesn't have to be RAM errors, that kind of thing can happen during a release upgrade that breaks in JUST the wrong place (half libs of libc6 from one version, half from the other)
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1656[16:47:46] <BlAd373b> jelly, i cant install debian in dualboot whe i try to install in graphics or comand line black screen
1657[16:48:07] <BlAd373b> but in live work
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1659[16:48:29] <BlAd373b> nvidia 1060 an intel 630
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1661[16:48:34] <petn-randall> BlAd373b: Which installation image are you using?
1662[16:48:42] <BlAd373b> 9.5
1663[16:48:48] <BlAd373b> 9.5 amd64
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1665[16:48:59] <jelly> BlAd373b: what is the other OS installed right now
1666[16:49:21] <BlAd373b> windows 10 and backbox
1667[16:49:51] <jelly> try the installer mages with non-free firmware, possibly needed for that intel card
1668[16:49:55] <jelly> !firmware images
1669[16:49:55] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
1670[16:50:36] <BlAd373b> thank you i try immediatly
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1673[16:51:49] <jelly> BlAd373b: is it a desktop or a laptop? Is it's a desktop, is your monitor connected to intel or nvidia or both?
1674[16:52:07] <BlAd373b> it's laptop
1675[16:52:22] <BlAd373b> lenovo legion y720
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1677[16:52:48] <jelly> I know nothing about optimus, can't help there apart from some generic ideas.
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1679[16:53:29] <jelly> if firmware image doesn't help, maybe you can disable nvidia in BIOS for the installation and see if that makes a difference
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1681[16:53:58] <BlAd373b> thank you i let you kno if i fix
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1721[17:21:29] <sZbcE8qNfG> anyone use nextcloud?
1722[17:21:48] <greycat> !polls
1723[17:21:48] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
1724[17:22:35] <siwica> Are you aware of a good workflow description of how to automate the building of debian packaging of python modules with Gitlab and a Docker runner?
1725[17:22:47] <siwica> *packages
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1729[17:24:54] <Kemopan> areplaced-url
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1732[17:26:00] <nyov> yeah, they're awesome. until they don't like you anymore
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1741[17:32:46] <petn-randall> They're cute. Until it's feeding time.
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1743[17:33:03] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Do you want to ask your actual question?
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1745[17:33:47] <sZbcE8qNfG> yes, it's related to permissions structure
1746[17:34:33] <sZbcE8qNfG> i have a folder: Folder1 which has 2 subfolders: subfolder1 and subfolder2. User1 has r/w access to entire structure, user2 should only have read access for subfolder1 and read/write for subfolder2
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1749[17:35:41] <greycat> Well, the traditional solution would be to make user1 the owner of all of it, and put user2 into a group that has the appropriate privs on each directory.
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1753[17:36:44] <jhutchins_wk> !acl
1754[17:36:44] <dpkg> [acl] Access Control List. replaced-url
1755[17:37:00] <greycat> non-traditional solutions involving ACL may also be selected
1756[17:37:11] * f0x posted a file: log (0KB) < replaced-url
1757[17:37:16] <f0x> I can't connect to EAP wifi anymore, Debian Sid
1758[17:37:18] <jhutchins_wk> There are extensions that provide finer control than the default posix permissions.
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1760[17:37:46] <jelly> but at which point do we accept a feature as traditional, 20 years? 30?
1761[17:37:48] <petn-randall> f0x: In that case you want to check out the proper channel:
1762[17:37:50] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1763[17:37:51] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1764[17:38:08] <petn-randall> f0x: ^^^ Also use replaced-url
1765[17:38:38] <greycat> Traditional doesn't mean old. It means it works universally (in this case), not requring any special hacks or knowledge of OS-specific features.
1766[17:38:45] <jelly> Solaris had ACLs in... 1996? And everyone, including Linux and POSIX, copied those
1767[17:39:00] <f0x> petn-randall: huh, link works here
1768[17:40:19] <sZbcE8qNfG> if nextcloud stopped running as a novelty gimmick and ran at the system level and used the underneath layer unix filesys perms, this would be good
1769[17:40:31] <sZbcE8qNfG> instead it had to invent it's own stupid limited acl
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1771[17:40:43] <sZbcE8qNfG> wish there was a real rbac in there
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1775[17:42:43] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: That would imply that every nextcloud user is also a system user. And that would also require the webserver to switch users per request. So ain't gonna happen.
1776[17:43:16] <jelly> so, NIH
1777[17:43:16] <sZbcE8qNfG> synology manages to do it
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1779[17:43:20] <sZbcE8qNfG> samba manages to do it
1780[17:43:36] <greycat> sZbcE8qNfG: sounds like you're not talking about Debian, then.
1781[17:43:51] <sZbcE8qNfG> im pretty sure all nextcloud users are giving replaced-url
1782[17:44:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> nope, not about debian
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1784[17:44:57] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: NT4 had ACLs before that, and I think W95 did.
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1788[17:45:24] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: NTFS ACLs are completely different (and better)
1789[17:45:27] <petn-randall> sZbcE8qNfG: Yeah, but that's a samba is a separate daemon, not a web service.
1790[17:45:54] <sZbcE8qNfG> maybe we should follow richard stallman and remove all our passwords
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1792[17:46:55] <greycat> Since you're not asking about Debian, you should be asking in #nextcloud and not in #debian.
1793[17:47:21] <sZbcE8qNfG> nextcloud channel is dead. a tree could fall and no one would notice
1794[17:47:29] <greycat> *plonk*
1795[17:47:42] <greycat> Now you could continue talking, and I wouldn't notice.
1796[17:48:13] <sZbcE8qNfG> i will shutup now :)
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1798[17:48:29] <jhutchins_wk> <sound of tree falling>
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1821[18:10:02] <eugenmayer> sZbcE8qNfG: synology is just as broken on this regard as nextcloud/owncloud is.
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1823[18:10:47] <eugenmayer> one of the main reasons i am not using synology packages anymore, but rather use docker on synology and use PID/GID mapping to map my service in the container to whatever is needed. But the general issue is just exactly the same
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1833[18:15:45] <sZbcE8qNfG> im using synology and its excellent....only reason im moving to nextcloud is it's more opensource
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1840[18:21:29] <eugenmayer> sZbcE8qNfG: i did not state synology is not good, i am using it too. But the core issues are exactly the same.
1841[18:22:00] <eugenmayer> (in regards of ACL, user management / permissions and services using those )
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1856[18:32:10] <grobi> hello i would like to install libtiff, libjpeg and lippng. How can i do this?
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1860[18:33:06] <brigo> grobi, there is several libtiff.
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1864[18:33:42] <grobi> aha but when i tried with apt it could not find it
1865[18:33:59] <brigo> did you try apt search libtiff ?
1866[18:34:09] <grobi> no yet
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1869[18:35:19] <grobi> ok thers output are this all similar pckgs?
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1889[18:44:22] <V7> Hey all
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1943[19:23:44] <yokowka> heavenO everysoul!!!! Who can help with system via TeamViewer??
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1976[19:56:44] <petn-randall> yokowka: If you want one-on-one tech support, you'll have to pay someone. Is it still about some random dmesg line you don't like?
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1978[19:57:31] <yokowka> petn-randall, no it is about startin up the game
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1988[20:05:23] <BCMM> yokowka: please don't give a stranger on the internet remote control of your pc...
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2047[20:54:34] <pyex> hello
2048[20:54:49] <petn-randall> hi pyex
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2051[20:56:20] <pyex> i have to /usr/share/games/ folder and games from debian server
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2053[20:56:26] <pyex> how i can run that?
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2057[20:57:25] <pyex> downloaded with sypnatic
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2059[20:57:50] <greycat> The games that you can actually run, as commands, are in /usr/games/
2060[20:58:01] <greycat> Some of them are more like cute utilities than actual games.
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2063[21:00:00] <greycat> replaced-url
2064[21:00:06] <pyex> i writing game name in /usr/share/games/ but doesnt work
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2066[21:00:30] <greycat> That is a data directory that you don't need to touch or even look at.
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2068[21:01:15] <pyex> i have to /usr/share/games/warmux/, /usr/share/games/nexuiz/, /usr/share/games/openarena/ etc..
2069[21:01:31] <greycat> You are not making sense to me.
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2071[21:01:39] <petn-randall> pyex: just type 'warmux', or select it from the program menu.
2072[21:02:28] <pyex> need i restart to computer, because i cant see to taskbar menu/games
2073[21:03:12] <petn-randall> pyex: As which user are you logged in?
2074[21:03:40] <pyex> with user, not root
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2076[21:03:55] <pyex> i downloaded from user
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2079[21:04:35] <petn-randall> pyex: Oh, ok.
2080[21:04:35] <greycat> pyex: to install the 'warmux' package in Debian, you must be root.
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2082[21:04:45] <pyex> with synaptic
2083[21:04:53] <petn-randall> greycat: They likely used synaptic and didn't understand it's being run as root.
2084[21:04:56] <greycat> Sure, synaptic, or apt-get, or apt.
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2086[21:05:28] <petn-randall> IIRC the modern paket managers don't run the graphical part as root anymore.
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2088[21:05:49] <jhutchins_wk> We don't have a Turkish channel, do we?
2089[21:06:07] <greycat> pyex: if you have installed 'warmux' with synaptic, then it should have created a program /usr/games/warmux that you can run. Just open a terminal and type "warmux", or "/usr/games/warmux".
2090[21:06:08] <petn-randall> !tr
2091[21:06:08] <dpkg> from memory, tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
2092[21:06:21] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: ^^^^ oh noes! Mojibake!
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2094[21:06:39] <greycat> Only 1 user in it, apparently.
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2096[21:07:22] <pyex> that right
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2099[21:08:22] <greycat> The most important thing here is the games are in /usr/games NOT in /usr/share/games
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2101[21:09:57] <pyex> /usr/games/ folder havent my new installed game files
2102[21:10:13] <pyex> because they installed from user is it true?
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2104[21:10:21] <greycat> Then you didn't install it.
2105[21:10:39] <greycat> replaced-url
2106[21:11:11] <pyex> i full removing them and installing from root later i will run at /usr/games/
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2110[21:12:14] <pyex> yes, i see folders
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2116[21:13:36] <pyex> thanks, i trying learned experience
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2151[21:36:13] <_0xbadc0de> hello
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2154[21:36:39] <_0xbadc0de> nick _0xbadc0de __0xbadc0de__
2155[21:37:20] <_0xbadc0de> how can I setup my headphones in debian?
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2157[21:37:31] <_0xbadc0de> when I insert them, they just dont work
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2159[21:38:15] <at0m> _0xbadc0de: check alsamixer and see if the phones aren't muted?
2160[21:38:32] <jhutchins_wk> Changing to the binary directory to run a program seems so ... DOS.
2161[21:38:50] <greycat> so don't do it?
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2163[21:38:59] <_0xbadc0de> jhutchins_wk: fail?
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2169[21:44:21] <_0xbadc0de> at0m: I have no idea on how to use this to enable the headphones
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2171[21:45:05] <greycat> go left or right until you find the channel for the headphones, and then press 'm' if necessary to un-mute it, then go up if necessary to raise the volume level
2172[21:45:14] <at0m> _0xbadc0de: there should be a Line Out^
2173[21:45:19] <at0m> Line Out channel
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2175[21:45:48] <at0m> or Headphones. in any case, make sure its unmuted and level adequately up
2176[21:45:57] <jhutchins_wk> at0m: You don't want headphones on line voltage.
2177[21:46:20] <jhutchins_wk> at0m: Many have an adaptive jack that can do either though.
2178[21:46:42] <_0xbadc0de> I think the device is not recognised
2179[21:46:48] <_0xbadc0de> classic linux 010
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2181[21:47:06] <greycat> Why do you think this? What are you seeing?
2182[21:47:20] <_0xbadc0de> KDE also has a menu in lower-right corner where you can see available devices and turn sound on and off
2183[21:47:27] <_0xbadc0de> no mention to my headphones in there
2184[21:47:39] <greycat> Ugh, a desktop environment is involved... that means Pulse may also be involved.
2185[21:47:42] <at0m> _0xbadc0de: alsamixer can be run in a terminal
2186[21:47:58] <jhutchins_wk> _0xbadc0de: You haven't mentioned what kind of hardware you're on.
2187[21:47:58] <_0xbadc0de> at0m: I dont see the Line Out^
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2190[21:48:11] <_0xbadc0de> jhutchins_wk: I am on a ASUS rog laptop g75v
2191[21:48:30] <jhutchins_wk> !alsa checklist
2192[21:48:30] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
2193[21:48:59] <greycat> some of that is out of date or incomplete now
2194[21:49:01] <at0m> _0xbadc0de: do you see just "Card: PulseAudio" in alsamixer? or your card itself? if "Card: PulseAudio", press F6 to switch to your physical card.
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2196[21:49:05] <jhutchins_wk> _0xbadc0de: Single audio jack?
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2198[21:49:34] <_0xbadc0de> jhutchins_wk: think so, it has the "headphones" symbol
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2201[21:51:07] <_0xbadc0de> I see now lineout at0m
2202[21:51:14] <_0xbadc0de> I have increased it to 100%
2203[21:51:18] <_0xbadc0de> not working
2204[21:51:39] <at0m> _0xbadc0de: and like greycat said, is it unmuted? (press 'm' to toggle)
2205[21:51:43] <_0xbadc0de> I think the headphones are good because I have just used them on my android phone and are brand new
2206[21:52:06] <_0xbadc0de> the hardware on the computer could be damaged so I can boot into the windows partition to recheck
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2210[21:54:30] <jhutchins_wk> _0xbadc0de: Unfortunately linux audio can get very confused. I had to use the front headphone jack on a NUC to drive my speakers, then after a release upgrade the rear one worked.
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2212[21:54:56] <_0xbadc0de> wtf
2213[21:55:07] <_0xbadc0de> at0m: m doesnt do anything
2214[21:55:31] <at0m> _0xbadc0de: did you arrow to the right to select the Line Out channel?
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2216[21:56:05] <_0xbadc0de> yes
2217[21:58:05] <_0xbadc0de> I am a bit surprised, I knew hardware support for linux was bad, but a headphone jacket!?!?!?!?!
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2221[22:02:23] <jhutchins_wk> _0xbadc0de: it's the driver/hardware interface. Especially in laptops, the input/output channels don't match up with the hardware.
2222[22:02:46] <jhutchins_wk> _0xbadc0de: 95% of audio just works.
2223[22:03:16] <jhutchins_wk> _0xbadc0de: Then there are the ones that will only output to HDMI, which doesn't have a physical port.
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2282[22:47:00] <kevr> hi
2283[22:47:09] <kevr> i'd like to reference the 'Version' field from the `control` file inside of `postinst`
2284[22:47:12] <kevr> what's the best way to do this?
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2290[22:51:23] <Schmeckle> Hi - this might be a very beginner question: I bougt a TP-Link TL-WN722N USB-WiFi-Stick for using features like network monitoring, injecting and such to mess around in my LAN :-) Now The stick doesn't get reckognized at all when plugging it in. It doesnt show up in lsusb or iwconfig. Can someone point a beginner like me to somwhere? I looked around in google but found nothing specific to librem 13 / pureOS
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2292[22:52:01] <ChmEarl> kevr, I use `dpkg-parsechangelog --show-field Version` but not from the postinst scripts
2293[22:52:18] <ChmEarl> ^^ works great inside debian/rules
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2297[22:54:10] <noodlepie> Hiya guys!
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2324[23:10:43] <tw> How do I prevent the x11 lock screen from inhibiting acpi power button action? For example, if the VM host is going to kill qemu in 2 minutes, the lock screen should be ignored and the guest should bail immediately.
2325[23:10:53] <tw> specifically this is the MATE lockscreen.
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2333[23:18:39] <tw> okay, looks like the answer was change /etc/systemd/logind.conf HandlePowerKey=ignore, install acpid, change /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn-acpi-support action=/sbin/poweroff
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2335[23:19:49] <tw> I imagine there's likely some way to prevent the lock screen itself from inhibiting shutdown, but I don't want anything to inhibit shutdown and it looks like systemd always honors "low level inhibitor locks" whatever those are.
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2342[23:22:33] <kevr> ChmEarl: thank you, i did try that, unfortuantely it didn't work inside the postinst script
2343[23:22:38] <kevr> unfortunately*
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2350[23:28:47] <kevr> wait.. postinst gets executed after the package is installed, so i can just use standard dpkg-query
2351[23:28:50] <kevr> i think
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2373[23:49:23] <michael2> hi, I have installed debian minimal install + Xserver, but I don't have sound yet. how do I install sound on a minimal install?
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2377[23:51:58] <netcrash> sorry for the question, how do I make a bootable iso? so later I can write it to the DVD
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2381[23:54:55] <petn-randall> netcrash: The Debian installers don't need any changing, just write them. For other ISOs, it depends, and you should check if they're supported.
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2383[23:56:21] <michael2> petn-randall: maybe they want to load installers for multiple OS's/distro's - thats why they want to customise?
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2385[23:57:09] <netcrash> petan, ok
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2388[23:58:24] <sintax> is the rescue menu available on the dvd1 iso? i don't see it on my livecd boot menu but i need to reinstall grub efi, im not familiar enough with chroot to do it manually
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