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16 [00:10:50] <TheSin> hey anyone here know apt-file? I just
updated and none -N and -s are gone, so how can I set
non-interactive and set a specific sources.list now?
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33 [00:21:23] <jml2> TheSin, for jessie?
34 [00:21:34] <jml2> TheSin, here i use apt-file sometimes, i
still see these options available
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36 [00:22:20] <n6101> hi
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41 [00:24:09] <TheSin> jml2, for testing, they are gone :( and I
use it on a web site for file searches so I ened to be able to do
both those things
42 [00:24:52] <markybob> TheSin: well for testing try
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic for better help
43 [00:25:06] <TheSin> markybob, k thanks
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100 [00:49:05] <transhuman> does debian use cgroups?
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104 [00:49:43] <transhuman>
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105 [00:49:57] <transhuman> this doesnt work but I am wondering
if some variation of this would
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131 [01:06:48] <MaBunny> Hey guys
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133 [01:07:08] <MaBunny> In 30mins it will be morning here so
134 [01:07:24] <MaBunny> Ill keep it simple as possible
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136 [01:07:59] <MaBunny> So ive done the steps TomTomTosch told
me too
137 [01:08:42] <MaBunny> I hav redone the apt mirror,and for some
7-8 hours it went downloading
138 [01:09:32] <MaBunny> And after tht it showed me a window to
select which software to include
139 [01:10:17] <MaBunny> I clicked yes on Debian window
manager,gnome , ssh server n system utilities
140 [01:10:52] <MaBunny> It went on downloading for those 7-8 hrs
around 1450 packages
141 [01:10:59] <MaBunny> Or something
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143 [01:11:13] <MaBunny> And then it said "failed"
144 [01:11:19] <MaBunny> *kabaam
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146 [01:11:25] <MaBunny> Ok
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148 [01:12:04] <MaBunny> So wht steps should i follow now,if you
guys can tell me
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152 [01:12:32] <MaBunny> I hav an exam today and will leave for
the exam centre
153 [01:12:58] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: check tty4 (by pressing
ctrl+alt+f4) for details of the failure
154 [01:13:03] <MaBunny> Which is some 70 kms away for something
like 2 hrs later
155 [01:13:07] <MaBunny> Ok
156 [01:13:25] <MaBunny> In the shell window???
157 [01:13:46] <MaBunny> What cmd is tht??? check tty4 ???
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159 [01:14:11] <MaBunny> Wait will try
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161 [01:14:34] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: it's nto a command,
it's an action that the user takes. going to tty4 with
ctrl+alt+f4, looking for errors on the screen.
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163 [01:15:04] <MaBunny> Ok
164 [01:15:22] <MaBunny> I pressed check tty4
165 [01:15:44] <lux7676> i think now it would be best for me to
use 7.9 debian until i have time upgrading since 7.9 actually works
except does not support avi or mp3 files
166 [01:15:49] <MaBunny> But it didnt show anything,though i
pressed ctrl alt f1
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168 [01:16:11] <lux7676> any way i can downalod some packages for
that ?
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170 [01:16:30] <lux7676> but i would have to download it as a
file and then transfer it from usb
171 [01:16:32] <MaBunny> Ok
172 [01:16:36] <lux7676> i cant do it from the terminal
173 [01:16:49] <MaBunny> It didnt show anything jmcnaught
174 [01:17:02] <MaBunny> In the ctrl atl f4
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177 [01:17:10] <MaBunny> *window
178 [01:17:45] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: that's where the debian
installer shows details. Are any of these languages easier for you
than english? Chinese Czech French German Greek Italian Japanese
Korean Portuguese Russian Spanish Swedish Vietnamese
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181 [01:18:02] <MaBunny> Haha
182 [01:18:14] <MaBunny> I wish bengali was there too
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184 [01:18:25] <MaBunny> But in any case
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186 [01:18:52] <MaBunny> My english is *excellent by indian
standards ;)
187 [01:18:56] <MaBunny> My frnd
188 [01:19:07] <MaBunny> Ok
189 [01:19:18] <MaBunny> Leaving tht besides
190 [01:19:48] <MaBunny> I pressed ctrl alt f4 n it took me to a
diff window thn
191 [01:19:56] <MaBunny> Ctrl alt f1
192 [01:19:57] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: okay, i wasn't trying to
judge your language skills or anything. those are the languages that
the debian install manual is available in. I recommend you read it,
again if you have already, very thoroughly, before trying the
install again:
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194 [01:20:42] <MaBunny> Which portion should i specifically read
for my current problem???
195 [01:20:53] <MaBunny> Any suggestion??
196 [01:21:07] <MaBunny> I mean sec 7.5/4.3
197 [01:21:16] <MaBunny> Its huge
198 [01:21:23] <MaBunny> Lol
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200 [01:21:46] <MaBunny> And i am in my mobile now
201 [01:22:09] <MaBunny> So simuntaneously 2 screens are a darn
202 [01:22:18] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: I don't know what caused
the failure. maybe you didn't have enough space on your root
partition? The install manual isn't that long really, and it
will take you less time to read than repeatedly reattempting the
install. Pretend it's mandatory for school if that helps.
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204 [01:22:38] <MaBunny> Haha
205 [01:22:48] <MaBunny> Well,ok but
206 [01:23:03] <MaBunny> I had 12 gb of my 16 gb as root
207 [01:23:06] <MaBunny> Ok
208 [01:23:11] <MaBunny> Ill check
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211 [01:23:44] <MaBunny> Spell my name if you guys want to catch
my interest ;)
212 [01:23:52] <lux7676> jmcaught will this support playing mp3
files ? with debian 7.9
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213 [01:24:40] <transhuman> ok so getting the following strace
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214 [01:25:05] <transhuman> looks like a missing config file..ok
but whats the other one?
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217 [01:25:38] <NYTimes> hey how do I exit a server without
closing programs
218 [01:25:40] <NYTimes> ?
219 [01:25:57] <jml2> NYTimes, ??
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221 [01:26:07] <jml2> NYTimes, sounds like catch-22
222 [01:26:08] <transhuman> put the screen saver on maybe?
223 [01:26:17] <jml2> NYTimes, close your eyes?
224 [01:26:19] <jml2> XD
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226 [01:26:47] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: try using the guided
partitioning option with all-in-one partition next time
227 [01:26:49] <transhuman> run everything as daemons
228 [01:27:18] <jmcnaught> lux7676: i dunno.. i think lots of
stuff plays mp3 in wheezy. i never had any problem with it.
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231 [01:27:40] <MaBunny> In my prev instl in deb 8.3 i had
choosen manual option
232 [01:27:45] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes, if you mean you want the
application running after you have closed the ssh connection you can
use something like screen and detach the session.
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234 [01:27:57] <MaBunny> It didnt wreak my time!!
235 [01:27:58] <markybob> !tell NYTimes about screen
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238 [01:28:05] <MaBunny> Smooth as butter
239 [01:28:07] <lux7676> jmcnaught it says that it is not
supported
240 [01:28:09] <NYTimes> when I ssh to a vps how do I exit
leaving apps running ?
241 [01:28:11] <MaBunny> But ill check
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243 [01:28:22] <lux7676> maybe im just downaloding something
thats not full
244 [01:28:23] <markybob> NYTimes: bot just told you
245 [01:28:25] <lux7676> but it should work
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247 [01:28:34] <lux7676> because the system actually works
248 [01:28:40] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: ok thanks markybob
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250 [01:28:45] <lux7676> i cant play avi or mp3
251 [01:29:01] <aricz> gnu screen <3
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253 [01:29:21] <lux7676> i wanted to know if there is special
package
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255 [01:29:27] <lux7676> because linux is ogg
256 [01:29:34] <lux7676> instead of mp3
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258 [01:29:55] <jmcnaught> lux7676: what says that what is not
supported? rhythmbox played mp3s for me on wheezy. maybe you just
need to install some more gstreamer packages?
259 [01:30:09] <NYTimes> markybob: TomTomTosch ok I see now is
tmux the same ?
260 [01:30:21] <jml2> transhuman, the documentation on centos
mentions cgroups, but you should know something more about redhat in
general -- and that is if you see something for "Centos"
or "Redhat" -- you will see the same kernel support for
all linux distros
261 [01:30:39] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: yes.
262 [01:30:43] <jml2> transhuman, ,/documentation was on redhat..
but it can apply in general to more than just centos too
263 [01:30:44] <jmcnaught> lux7676: vlc is also available for
wheezy, it plays everything
264 [01:30:49] <lux7676> jmcnaught will you be here for the next
couple hours, i will make the iso again and install it
265 [01:31:13] <lux7676> i replaced the usb with 7.9 to 8.4
266 [01:31:14] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: you can pick any terminal
multiplexer.
267 [01:31:15] <\ni> u need codecs lux7676
268 [01:31:23] <lux7676> but we all know wat happened
269 [01:31:29] <jmcnaught> lux7676: if you're doing a fresh
install, i recommend Debian 8 (Jessie). I might be around, i'm
here a lot lately. There's also 1500+ others that might help
you.
270 [01:31:32] <\ni> lux7676,
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272 [01:31:53] <transhuman> ok thanks jml2, do you have an answer
as to what gcrypt package provides /etc/gcrypt/hwf.deny seems that
is the root of my problem according to strace?
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274 [01:32:19] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: ok but the session will
still be open I mean still connected
275 [01:32:23] <NYTimes> right ?
276 [01:32:26] <transhuman> jml2 seems it is missing
277 [01:32:37] <markybob> NYTimes: you'll have to reattach.
screen -r after reconnecting
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280 [01:32:48] <lux7676> \ni thanks ! question for you
281 [01:32:52] <MaBunny> So guys
282 [01:33:04] <lux7676> is there any way to download it instead
using the terminal
283 [01:33:23] <MaBunny> Something caught my attention while i
was checking the guide
284 [01:33:32] <lux7676> i need a way to have it downloaded on
one computer and then transfer the files from usb to another one
where i can install it
285 [01:33:32] <jml2> transhuman, doesn't mean that it needs
it -- strace always shows a lot of "mising" no file found
286 [01:33:34] <\ni> I duno. I normally use the terminal to
install stuff
287 [01:33:39] <MaBunny> Its in this link:
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288 [01:33:41] <NYTimes> yeah I get it I use tmux but I do not
understand how to exit properly from ssh
289 [01:33:54] <lux7676> hmm i see
290 [01:33:55] <jml2> transhuman, (especially for
osbolete/outdated library files and optional configuration files)
291 [01:34:10] <lux7676> hmm
292 [01:34:21] <MaBunny> It says tht i need a minimum 10gb of
disk space,while mine on the usb is 12gb
293 [01:34:21] <markybob> NYTimes: in screen you do ctrl+a d to
detach. then you can exit
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295 [01:34:31] <markybob> NYTimes: man screen or google something
about it.
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297 [01:34:48] <MaBunny> So is it possible tht it ran out of disk
space???
298 [01:34:52] <MaBunny> Idk
299 [01:34:55] <transhuman> IC jml2 unfortunately strace doesnt
provide me any further information on why the operation is not
permitted .
300 [01:34:56] <lux7676> anyway i can download codecs for debian
as a file instead from the terminal
301 [01:35:14] <MaBunny> But ive tht 64gb pendrive,can try on tht
one
302 [01:35:15] <jml2> MaBunny, it's common for standard
debian to install under 3.5 gigs
303 [01:35:23] <MaBunny> Ok
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305 [01:35:31] <jml2> MaBunny, so you have more than enough disk
space
306 [01:35:36] <MaBunny> I mean with gnome???
307 [01:35:39] <jml2> yep
308 [01:35:46] <MaBunny> Ok
309 [01:35:56] <MaBunny> Ok my dad is calling
310 [01:36:00] <jml2> lol
311 [01:36:05] <MaBunny> Need to ready up
312 [01:36:12] <MaBunny> For the trip
313 [01:36:15] <MaBunny> Lol
314 [01:36:20] <MaBunny> Bye guys
315 [01:36:34] <MaBunny> And ill check after my exam
316 [01:36:47] <MaBunny> Thnx for your time :)
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324 [01:38:25] <transhuman> jml2 any options that you might
suggest that might get strace to give me more output on what is
causing the failed permit jml2...thanks in advance kind of stuck on
this one
325 [01:38:25] <lux7676> \ni is this the right thing
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326 [01:39:26] <jml2> transhuman, what application are you trying
to fix?
327 [01:39:33] <jml2> transhuman, maybe i can provide a generic
route
328 [01:39:37] <transhuman> tun/tap on aqemu
329 [01:39:53] <transhuman> trying to build a kvm/xen live cd
330 [01:40:06] <jml2> transhuman, oh well then you're trying
to compile things..
331 [01:40:08] <transhuman> so need a gui manager for kvm
332 [01:40:16] <markybob> lux7676: for mp3 to work with totem in
wheezy you need gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 as well. best bet is just
use vlc as you had been told
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334 [01:40:31] <transhuman> aqemu is giving me headackes with
networking here is the error hold on
335 [01:40:33] <jml2> transhuman, there's a distro for this
already it hink it's called qvwm.. something
336 [01:40:34] <NYTimes> I mean right I ssh then I'm in bash
shell lvl1 then zsh lvl2 I start tmux/screen but now that i'm
lvl4 how do I exit ssh ? and dont tllme ctrl-c or exit or ctrl-d...
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338 [01:40:56] <transhuman>
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339 [01:41:05] <markybob> NYTimes: i told you. in screen, ctrl+a
d then exit
340 [01:41:14] <markybob> NYTimes: when you ssh back in, screen
-r
341 [01:41:14] <\ni> lux7676, the description says that it reads
mp3s. Maybe it's what u need (I'm also a debian noob XD )
342 [01:41:14] <lux7676> markybob vlc player ?
343 [01:41:19] <markybob> lux7676: yes
344 [01:41:26] <jml2> transhuman, i think it may have heen this
one
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345 [01:41:29] <lux7676> ok
346 [01:41:35] <jml2> transhuman, as for building anything
that's out of the quetsion for me sry
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348 [01:41:59] <ninjaa> helo
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350 [01:42:08] <ninjaa> What is the purpose of seperating / and
/home ?
351 [01:42:14] <transhuman> yeah thats based on redhat trying to
do similar with debian
352 [01:42:31] <transhuman> hate redhat and its not for security
as much as it is for development.
353 [01:42:33] <lux7676> markybob anyway i can install it as a
program ?
354 [01:42:34] <lux7676>
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355 [01:42:36] <transhuman> its a qemu problme
356 [01:42:44] <lux7676> this only gives me option if i have the
internet
357 [01:42:51] <transhuman> or more specifically /tun/tap problem
358 [01:42:59] <jml2> transhuman, fwiw.. i think the old brctl is
less favored than "openvswitch" -- you have better
performance and flexibility as well as "isolation" from
protecting different VM traffic
359 [01:43:27] <jml2> transhuman, (check out adding
"macvtaps" directly on "eth0" -- and then use
macvtaps with VMS -- it's much efficicent as well as secure --
because you can use "mode private")
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361 [01:43:48] <jml2> transhuman, on the "brctl"
classic bridge there's no traffic isolation..
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363 [01:44:06] <markybob> lux7676: it's in debian. you can
get it from another computer that has internet from
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364 [01:44:08] <transhuman> do any of the gui's out there
use mac taps or am I going to be confined to writting a bunch of
scripts?
365 [01:44:10] <jmcnaught> lux7676: "apt-get install
vlc" generally not recommended to install stuff in Debian by
downloading from websites.. this is a bad windows habit
366 [01:45:06] <lux7676> oh wow
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369 [01:45:20] <lux7676> jmcnaught what is the proper way to
download stuff in debian ?
370 [01:46:05] <markybob> lux7676: with internet you use
apt-get/aptitude/apt without it you get it from packages.debian.org
then dpkg -i foo.deb or use apt-zip if it's intense
371 [01:46:30] <markybob> !tell lux7676 about dontbreakdebian
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373 [01:47:57] <NYTimes> markybob: i just launch htop via ssh
thru tmux then I closed the session the sshed back and htop
wasn't running anymore
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376 [01:48:11] <NYTimes> I miss smthing here
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378 [01:48:27] <jmcnaught> lux7676: lux7676: heh, to be fair now
that I look at
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380 [01:48:34] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: did you detach the session
before closing?
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382 [01:49:17] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: u doubtfooled me lol lemme
check again
383 [01:49:30] <lux7676> jmcnaught so i understand tat when
downloading something its always best from the offical debian site
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385 [01:49:57] <\ni> if avalible, yes lux7676
386 [01:49:58] <transhuman> jml2 looks like virtual manager
supports macvtaps maybe thats the route to go ..thanks
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390 [01:51:02] <\ni> lux7676, you'll get auto-magically
updates for everything installed that way
391 [01:51:25] <jmcnaught> lux7676: yes, and Debian has tools
like apt-get, aptitude, and (if you must) synaptic for installing
software from the official Debian repositories (which have 40,000+
packages in Debian 8)
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393 [01:51:31] <lux7676> jmcnaught ok this means
394 [01:51:44] <lux7676> i need to wifi before anything
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398 [01:52:24] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: yes its ok that way but
technically the ssh connection hed never been cut
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400 [01:52:40] <lux7676> jmcnaught i have to make new iso with
the debian 7.9 and go throught the installation and see the network
again
401 [01:52:49] <lux7676> ... this might take little bit lol
402 [01:52:57] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: i don't understand
what you want to tell me, sry.
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404 [01:53:36] <lux7676> but im glad that i switched to linux and
i will never go back
405 [01:53:44] <pingfloyd> lux7676: it's also good to check
the digest and gpg signature
406 [01:54:00] <lux7676> yeah i always do that
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408 [01:54:18] <lux7676> the md5 hash as well
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410 [01:54:26] <lux7676> to double check
411 [01:54:26] <pingfloyd> lux7676: the fingerprints are listed
here to compare against if you don't go to keysigning parties
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412 [01:54:37] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: when you detach your
screen/tmux session then the ssh connection is still up
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414 [01:54:48] <markybob> NYTimes: yes. then you type exit
415 [01:54:49] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: right..
416 [01:54:53] <pingfloyd> lux7676: I recommend sha256 or better
for the hash though
417 [01:55:06] <lux7676> pingfloyd oh ok
418 [01:55:18] <pingfloyd> lux7676: I usually use sha512 myself
419 [01:55:38] <markybob> i did say that before...
420 [01:55:47] <pingfloyd> lux7676: question though, why 7
instead of 8?
421 [01:56:20] <NYTimes> is a vpn usefull for a vps ?
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423 [01:56:42] <TomTomTosch> do apples go nice with oranges?
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425 [01:56:58] <lux7676> because i downloaded the wrong iso and
then new one is 3.7gb
426 [01:57:04] <lux7676> the 7.9 is only 650 mb
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429 [01:57:20] <lux7676> im having problems understanding why is
there such a big difference
430 [01:57:32] <pingfloyd> lux7676: sounds like the 3.7 is the
dvd
431 [01:57:41] <pingfloyd> lux7676: netinstall should be smaller
432 [01:57:45] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: both have their uses, both
can be useful for you. your question has no answer.
433 [01:57:59] <lux7676> yes but i dont have that much bandwitch
to use
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436 [01:58:20] <lux7676> i need to do it somewhere else
437 [01:58:45] <lux7676> i hope debain 8.4 does not come with
programs like skype
438 [01:58:53] <lux7676> like ubuntu for example
439 [01:59:00] <pingfloyd> lux7676:
debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso 2016-04-02 16:46 247M
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443 [01:59:30] <markybob> we went through this hours ago. he
wants gnome offline installer. not netinst.
444 [01:59:36] <markybob> this keeps going and going
445 [01:59:37] <pingfloyd> lux7676:
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446 [02:00:13] <TomTomTosch> lux7676: official debian does not
come with non-free software.
447 [02:00:20] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: markybob thx cya sorry for
the noise
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449 [02:00:49] <lux7676> pingfloyd but i need to use the one that
lets me install without internet
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451 [02:00:54] <lux7676> could i use
debian-8.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
452 [02:00:58] <markybob> lux7676: i really don't know how
many more times you want to have this discussion. it's reaching
the definition of insanity
453 [02:00:59] <lux7676> is this the offline one ?
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457 [02:01:23] <lux7676> markybob sorry
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459 [02:01:40] <markybob> lux7676: you said you wanted gnome.
that's xfce, not gnome
460 [02:02:06] <lux7676> oh
461 [02:02:45] <pingfloyd> xfce is better than gnome anyway
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464 [02:03:02] <markybob> i actually agree but it's not what
he asked for
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466 [02:03:15] <lux7676> what is the main difference ?
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468 [02:03:21] <lux7676> xfce is faster ?
469 [02:03:25] <lux7676> more secure ?
470 [02:03:31] <TomTomTosch> they look different.
471 [02:03:36] <lux7676> oh
472 [02:03:50] <pingfloyd> lux7676: xfce is much less bloated
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475 [02:04:10] <pingfloyd> lux7676: but still a reasonable DE at
the same time
476 [02:04:31] <TomTomTosch> both get the same done. it's
more about taste.
477 [02:04:38] <pingfloyd> lux7676: definitely much lighter
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480 [02:06:09] <linuxfool> What DE are you rocking, pingfloyd ?
481 [02:06:10] <lux7676> pingfloyd is this something like this
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482 [02:06:30] <pingfloyd> lux7676: that screenshot is gnome 2
483 [02:06:47] <lux7676> oh
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494 [02:08:23] <pingfloyd> lux7676: here's a bunch of
screenshots of xfce4
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495 [02:08:47] <lux7676> thanks
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499 [02:10:41] <lux7676> pingfloyd it seems more modern
500 [02:10:43] <lux7676> lol
501 [02:11:25] <markybob> lux7676: now google what gnome3 looks
like
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507 [02:12:35] <lux7676> markybob it looks like ubuntu wow, see
this is what i dont want
508 [02:12:55] <markybob> lux7676: well you said it was :P then
yeah, get the xfce cd
509 [02:12:56] <lux7676> i wanted it to be really basic simply
style
510 [02:13:02] <lux7676> yes
511 [02:13:03] <armin> then customize to da bone bro
512 [02:13:12] <armin> \m/
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516 [02:13:58] <Mathisen> where is the console command history
saved ?
517 [02:14:20] <markybob> Mathisen: ~/.bash_history
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519 [02:14:24] <Mathisen> thx
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521 [02:16:45] <amdp> hello, very stupid question: installing a
dns server on my dedicated server and linking my dns (name)server to
my domain will make accessing the sites on my server in LESS time
than using BIG dns (name)servers like google or others?
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523 [02:17:43] <markybob> amdp: sounds like you just want caching
like dnsmasq. look into that
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528 [02:19:17] <amdp> markybob: I looked but the question remains
unclear
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531 [02:20:14] <markybob> amdp: once dnsmasq is installed and set
up, say someone looks up google.com, it might take 20ms to resolve.
then it's cached. 1ms.
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534 [02:21:28] <markybob> amdp: does that really matter to human
brains? not really unless you have a lot of boxes connected and
doing searches.
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539 [02:22:02] <TomTomTosch> and browsers have their own cache.
so... meh.
540 [02:22:06] <lux7676> thanks for the help
541 [02:22:14] <lux7676> i gotta go
542 [02:22:20] <lux7676> bye
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552 [02:25:17] <amdp> markybob: I'll do, but I just need to
understand. There's a server ip, and a website whose files are
in that physical server. The DNS nameservers like google or
domaincontrol.com set up in your domain settings link a name you
type in the address bar to that ip and propagate that, so that
anybody who types that domain get to that ip and that server. Having
an internal DNS server like BIND or like dnsmasq makes it faster the
process
553 [02:25:17] <amdp> or not?
554 [02:25:48] <markybob> amdp: oh that's what you mean. no
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556 [02:26:13] <markybob> amdp: don't even bother. use
whatever provider you registered your domain with offers
557 [02:26:43] <amdp> so it's ok if I leave google or any
dns nameserver on the domain and save cpu on my server is better? or
not?
558 [02:27:15] <markybob> amdp: i didn't know google offered
that kind of dns but sure if it does. i use linode's dns for my
servers
559 [02:27:36] <amdp> are there some faster and some less?
560 [02:27:59] <markybob> amdp: use whatever your provider (who
you bought your domain with) offers
561 [02:28:52] <linuxfool> exit
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563 [02:29:33] <amdp> ok, another question to understand the
process: the nameservers on my domain just propagate the info about
the link between domain name and ip, aren't responsible for the
speed of resolving it, or I am wrong?
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565 [02:30:22] <markybob> amdp: the root servers point to your
dns server. that server points to your actual server. but it's
really fast and you have nothing to worry about.
566 [02:30:30] <markybob> amdp: there are caches all along the
way
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568 [02:31:03] <amdp> propagating is different than resolving,
right?
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570 [02:31:54] <markybob> english isn't my first language so
i'm not sure i'm comfortable with semantics like that.
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574 [02:34:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> amdp, well, only if you mean
forwarding requests or slave servers.
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579 [02:36:18] <jmcnaught> amdp: the propagation delay is related
to the Time To Live (TTL) of the domain record. If you set your TTL
to be 12 hours, then change your DNS records to point to a different
IP or something, other DNS resolvers might not see the change for up
to 12 hours because they will cache results for however long the TTL
tells them to
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586 [02:42:23] <amdp> ok, got it
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589 [02:43:12] <jak2000> hi all
590 [02:43:42] <amdp> then when someone writes the address on her
browser the time to associate the ip to the domain name and going to
that ip is the "resolving" ?
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595 [02:45:19] <jmcnaught> amdp: yes. their computer asks the DNS
resolver listed in /etc/resolv.conf which does the resolving
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600 [02:47:43] <jak2013> i created a lvmVolume group and worked
fine, i need use the space of a partition lvm, so so 1.6Tb, i am not
mounted but created, here my fdisk -l result:
replaced-url
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626 [03:00:32] <amdp> so the browser asks the local machine to
connect to a DNS resolver listed in /etc/resolv.conf, and the dns
resolver is usually NOT in the client
627 [03:00:59] <amdp> then the resolving time is function of what
aspects?
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630 [03:02:01] <socomm> amdp: Can you re-word your question.
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635 [03:02:29] <jmcnaught> amdp: wikipedia's article about
DNS is pretty thorough if you want to understand how all the parts
work.
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645 [03:05:23] <amdp> socomm: Sure. When somebody types on a
browser the name of a website, is that called the
"resolving" part? jmcnaught: I am sorry, but propagating
and resolving mix and I still don't get the process exactly
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648 [03:06:53] <socomm> amdp: No that is query, resolution gets
done further down the stack.
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650 [03:07:25] <socomm> amdp:
replaced-url
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656 [03:10:27] <amdp> socomm: nice :-) so, the first query goes
to the "recursive resolver", is there a way to know which
one is the one I (or another person) am using?
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673 [03:21:13] <pingfloyd> amdp: resolving is taking the domain
name and returning the ip address
674 [03:22:04] <pingfloyd> amdp: some browser don't use the
libc resolver though. For instance, firefox uses its own
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676 [03:22:18] <amdp> what determines the time of the querying
and resolving phase?
677 [03:22:36] <pingfloyd> amdp: this is why you can have issues
with name resolution in say apt-get but can still browse without
issues.
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679 [03:22:57] <amdp> pingfloyd: ok, nice
680 [03:23:27] <pingfloyd> amdp: depends on what is cached on the
name server
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682 [03:24:01] <pingfloyd> amdp: if it's cached it can
return the query, otherwise it needs to do some resolving itself
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686 [03:25:09] <Mathisen> anyone that can recomend me a CLI
program that can check for podcasts and automaticly download them ?
687 [03:25:30] <pingfloyd> amdp: what you use for your name
resolution directly is a recursive name server.
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691 [03:26:12] <pingfloyd> amdp: also other factors can effect
the speed of the name resolution
692 [03:26:24] <amdp> are the nameservers associated with the
domain responsible of the name resolution?
693 [03:26:25] <pingfloyd> amdp: like the network and the load of
the name server, etc.
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696 [03:27:29] <amdp> pingfloyd: the nameservers responsible of
the propagation
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698 [03:28:25] <pingfloyd> amdp: your requests usually work like
this: the recursive name server is queried, if it has the record in
cache it is returned. If it isn't it needs to in turn next
query a root server to find the TLD server to query next, and then
from their it can query the authoritative name server. Then it can
return the query to the client.
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702 [03:29:42] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagation implies other name
servers to have their records updated to match the authoritative
name server.
703 [03:30:06] <pingfloyd> amdp: this is influenced by TTL
setting on the authoritative name server.
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706 [03:31:08] <pingfloyd> amdp: this is why it is a good idea to
set TTL real low in preparation for you updating records on your
authoritative name server.
707 [03:31:39] <amdp> so the propagation nameservers AFTER
propagating do NOT affect the resolution/resolving ?
708 [03:31:57] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagating DNS records
709 [03:32:40] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagation is the act of other
name servers getting their records updated when there is a change in
them.
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711 [03:32:59] <amdp> pingfloyd: so the propagation nameservers
AFTER propagating do NOT affect the resolution/resolving ? (I
don't understand your answer, my question is dumb just to
clarify)
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714 [03:33:17] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagation affects when the
records are updated
715 [03:33:22] <pingfloyd> not the resolution
716 [03:33:31] <amdp> great thanks!
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719 [03:34:07] <pingfloyd> it's just if their is a hold up
in propagation, records that are no longer valid (the old ones) may
be returned in resolution.
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723 [03:35:40] <amdp> pingfloyd: ok, that is finally clear. So in
resolving first there's a query, the query goes to the
recursive resolver which is local stuff, a local check if
there's a cache already able to resolve the domain name?
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725 [03:36:05] <amdp> if there's no cache, it escalates to
the root nameserver
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728 [03:37:26] <markybob> amdp: not to root, no.
729 [03:37:54] <amdp> markybob: but the first part is correct?
730 [03:37:56] <markybob> amdp: whatever the isp your you set.
then root eventually if it can't find anything
731 [03:38:02] <markybob> amdp: yes
732 [03:38:02] <pingfloyd> amdp: there may be more than recursive
name server involved
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734 [03:38:08] <pingfloyd> than one
735 [03:38:21] <foul_owl> Hi folks. gnome-screenshot segfaults
when passing the -w option
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739 [03:39:13] <pingfloyd> amdp: eventually the root server is
queried if non of the recursive name servers (and the other ones I
told you about) can resolve it
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741 [03:39:48] <amdp> markybob: pingfloyd: so recursive resolverS
try, then they ask the root
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743 [03:40:03] <markybob> amdp: yeah. but it hardly ever gets
there
744 [03:40:05] <pingfloyd> amdp: yes
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748 [03:40:41] <jak2000> i have 1.5tb free in a lvm partition.
how to create a partition, named: backups and mounted on /backups ?
here more details:
replaced-url
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751 [03:41:11] <amdp> markybob: pingfloyd: amazing, that second
piece is very clear now. So recursive name servers, besides browsers
cache and local wifi, cannot be influenced if not by the ISP
752 [03:42:04] <pingfloyd> amdp: once the root servers are being
queried (if it even comes to that), it means none of the recursive
name servers involved in the chain were able to resolve.
753 [03:42:51] <markybob> amdp: sure can. this is how some isps
have inserted ads into search queries
754 [03:43:05] <pingfloyd> amdp: yeah, there is all sorts of
caches involved to mitigate the recursive querying which makes it
take longer to resolve.
755 [03:43:37] <markybob> amdp: oh if not by isp. misread.
you're right
756 [03:43:45] <markybob> again, english not first tongue
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759 [03:44:55] <amdp> ok nice! and RARELY they need to ask root
nameservers, in that case the speed is just based on root
nameservers distance and root nameservers speed
760 [03:45:09] <amdp> markybob: pingfloyd: ^
761 [03:45:27] <pingfloyd> amdp: aside from local caching
mechanisms, it all starts at the name server your application has
set as a name server, e.g., /etc/resolv.conf
762 [03:45:54] <amdp> pingfloyd: application = browser ?
763 [03:46:09] <pingfloyd> amdp: i.e., sometimes the resolution
doesn't even have to reach the name server you've set
764 [03:46:34] <pingfloyd> amdp: browser is an example
765 [03:46:41] <jmcnaught> maybe at this point the DNS discussion
belongs in #debian-offtopic
766 [03:46:49] <amdp> pingfloyd: I see, okay, got it
767 [03:46:55] <jmcnaught> jak2000: "man lvcreate" is
what you're looking for.
768 [03:47:02] <pingfloyd> amdp: like I mentioned earlier,
firefox uses its own resolver
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770 [03:47:45] <amdp> jmcnaught: you're right sorry, the
overall concept is understanding the role of a debian server in
influencing the resolving phase
771 [03:47:47] <pingfloyd> amdp: like ever experienced where
apt-get can't resolve, but you can browse just fine? This is
why.
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773 [03:48:01] <amdp> pingfloyd: yea :-)
774 [03:48:01] <pingfloyd> or vice-versa?
775 [03:48:21] <amdp> pingfloyd: in my case vice-versa :-)
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777 [03:49:28] <amdp> pingfloyd: so basically the debian server
at the IP resolved can't do anything to make the resolution
phase faster, right?
778 [03:50:03] <pingfloyd> amdp: the debian server isn't
involved in resolution
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781 [03:50:52] <amdp> pingfloyd: another thing is clear :-)
thanks. Installing BIND on a Debian server helps the propagation?
782 [03:51:06] <pingfloyd> yeah
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784 [03:51:27] <pingfloyd> that can speed things up as you have
records cached locally
785 [03:51:40] <themill> "helps"? it's either
essential or irrelevant.
786 [03:51:41] <jak2000> jmcnaught ok
787 [03:52:00] <markybob> no. don't do that. why? he barely
understands the essentials. he should use what his provider gives
him
788 [03:52:03] <pingfloyd> amdp: though it doesn't affect
the propagation
789 [03:52:14] <pingfloyd> amdp: resolution and propagation are
different things
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793 [03:52:48] <pingfloyd> resolution is returning answers to
queries. Propagation is update of record changes between name
servers.
794 [03:54:01] <amdp> ok, so sorry to everyone for the off-topic,
now I have everything clear. Thanks to pingfloyd, markybob,
jmcnaught, socomm
795 [03:54:06] <pingfloyd> amdp: mainly what affects the speed of
propagation is the TTL set on the authoritative name server that has
the records for the domain in question.
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797 [03:54:27] <pingfloyd> beyond that is out of your control
798 [03:54:48] <amdp> pingfloyd: yup, very clear now, thanks :-)
799 [03:54:48] <markybob> yes but that has nothing to do with
resolution. just wait the default 15 min
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836 [04:13:23] <mdim> hi all
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838 [04:13:43] <mdim> I'm puzzled by a Debian mirror
redirection service that seems unreliable to me
839 [04:14:19] <mdim> in particular, if one uses
replaced-url
840 [04:14:25] <mdim> any clue why is that so?
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843 [04:15:46] <mdim> various virtual images and containers
depend on the very redirection service, and if there is a new Debian
user unfamiliar with the redirection service, they are likely to go
with a different OS/distro as "it doesn't work with
Debian"
844 [04:16:16] <markybob> jesus why is greycat's shit keep
getting deleted??
845 [04:16:18] <themill> mdim: a specific package being missing
would mean that you need to apt-get update
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847 [04:17:05] <themill> mdim: if you've got a nearby,
reliable mirror then just use that rather than the redirector
848 [04:17:08] <themill> markybob: because it was incorrect
nonsense that was making it harder to find the real information?
849 [04:17:12] <mdim> themill: a funny thing is I did that just
before fetching the package
850 [04:17:32] <markybob> themill: oh so it's you? he asked
about it. i'll let him know.
851 [04:17:33] <mdim> themill: I know how to change that, but
that doesn't answer my original question
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853 [04:18:02] <themill> markybob: btw in terms of "keep
getting deleted" I fixed it up once
854 [04:18:43] <mdim> themill: i.e. just before trying to fetch
the package
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856 [04:19:24] <themill> mdim: it would be handy to know which
mirror was actually being used
857 [04:19:29] <themill> !which http.d.n
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859 [04:20:01] <themill> !which http.debian.net
860 [04:20:02] <dpkg> To see which mirror you are being sent to
by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the
appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget
-O/dev/null --max-redirect=0
replaced-url
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865 [04:23:20] <mdim> themill: I'll check that now. I'm
not sure if the answer is going to be deterministic as I'm
running this on Gitlab.com's continuous integration service
866 [04:23:55] <themill> you can indeed be sent off to one of
many different mirrors although it does tend to be reasonably
constant on any given machine
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870 [04:24:46] <mdim> themill: my point is - these are virtual
machines/containers, potentially in a cloud, potentially anywhere on
Earth
871 [04:25:24] <themill> do they actually have more than one data
centre and do you not pay differently for different locations?
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873 [04:26:03] <mdim> themill: I don't know. I'm just
saying I have no clue where an actual physical machine is. I'll
run the command you suggested now, but as you said, the answer might
be different this time
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875 [04:26:20] <mdim> themill: I'm not paying for this
service. It's for free
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880 [04:28:36] <themill> markybob: oh, and greycat's info is
still there, it was just that you couldn't find it. /msg dpkg
httpredir issues; do try to avoid throwing blame around ...
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883 [04:28:52] <themill> mdim: ack.
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886 [04:30:11] <themill> mdim: httpredir would be the best
service to use in that case but because mirrors are (badly) run by
lots of organisations debian has no control over, it's hard to
ensure they are all functioning properly
887 [04:30:52] <markybob> themill: this was my fault. it has been
deleted before. i did ask, not accuse. big difference. and you
affirmed.
888 [04:30:55] <themill> mdim: the cloudfront.debian.net repo
could make a reasonable choice (although the way it does its
mirroring is inherently broken, that's only for a few minutes
at a time)
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891 [04:31:19] <themill> markybob: with added and unwelcome
profanity.
892 [04:32:14] <markybob> themill: there was no profanity.
893 [04:32:25] <markybob> themill: oh so it's you? he asked
about it. i'll let him know.
894 [04:32:32] <themill> mdim: cloudfront.d.n is also run by a DD
who works for the relevant organisation
895 [04:32:53] <markybob> themill: now you're just being
silly for no reason because you don't like me.
896 [04:32:59] <themill> markybob: please stop, this is getting
beyond a joke
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901 [04:36:23] <mdim> themill: so what you just said baffles me -
the mirrors are badly run, yet we happily use httpredir and send
users to the very same badly run mirrors
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903 [04:37:00] <markybob> a lot of what he says baffles me
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905 [04:37:21] <themill> mdim: well httpredir tries to ensure
that you only get sent to working mirrors. Without trying to
download every single file from the mirror (which would defeat the
purpose) it has to have some heuristics to try to spot badly set up
mirrors
906 [04:37:55] <themill> mdim: 99% of the problems with mirrors
are in the sync phase with Packages, Release and Translations files
being updated in the wrong order and that is what httpredir detects
907 [04:38:40] <themill> mdim: a failure like an individual
package going missing is very rare and it cannot reasonably detect
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910 [04:42:33] <mdim> themill: thanks for the explanation. I hope
you do see what I'm pointing out here - someone might rely on
httpredir in their automated systems (e.g., CI) and things can brake
non-deterministically. Unfortunately, httpredir is used in e.g. the
official Docker image for Debian
911 [04:42:55] <themill> yeah, and it is intended to be reliable
912 [04:43:43] <mdim> themill: that's a lesson I just
re-learned - don't rely on httpredir in the automated systems
913 [04:43:44] <themill> it should be more reliable than any
individual mirror unless you happen to be the mirror admin and it
makes a much better solution than picking one random mirror and
hard-coding that instead
914 [04:44:35] <mdim> I don't recall seeing such problems
with mirrors I use otherwise on my machines (e.g., with the
ftp.us.debian.org mirror)
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916 [04:45:07] <mdim> themill: so I guess I was lucky to have
used reliable mirrors so far
917 [04:45:42] <themill> ftp.us.d.o is frequently a problem
because it is a round-robin
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920 [04:46:12] <themill> you end up getting Release from one
machine, Packages from another and they then don't match. Game
over.
921 [04:46:35] <themill> (or Packages from one machine and
missing packages on the next)
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980 [05:18:36] <jml2> !source
981 [05:18:37] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source
packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a
location with free space; download the source package with
<apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use
<dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details,
also ask me about <package recompile> <backport>
<nmg> <policy> <source package>
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983 [05:19:18] <jml2> im a bit of a noob when it comes to
checking debian/rules with source packages... is this the file which
is supposed to carry all CFLAGS as well as things like
--enable-<> ?
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986 [05:20:13] <themill> CFLAGS might be in there but only if the
build system defaults need overriding. What are you trying to
achieve?
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988 [05:20:59] <jml2> themill, trying to determine what features
were compiled with an app (libav-tools) as i think i'm missing
a codec that is not available
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991 [05:21:53] <themill> pick a nice simple package for your
first one to look at ;)
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993 [05:22:22] <jml2> (the readme notes from anything i check
from debian binary doesn't indicate this-- and the
"list-codecs" related options does not guarantee to me
they've been compiled -- i think these are just informational)
994 [05:22:50] <jml2> themill, oh its simple :)
995 [05:23:06] <themill> libav is anything but, sadly; which
codec are you looking for?
996 [05:23:49] <jml2> themill, you're making it complicating
:).. so i suppose it's just debian/rules then i have to look
at..
997 [05:23:57] <jml2> (which i'm currently looking at)
998 [05:24:09] <themill> you're not going to find the answer
there, which is why I'm asking
999 [05:25:40] <jml2> themill, the ./configure --help (not that
i'm using ./configure , i'm just listing defaults )---
tells me " --enable-avisynth enable reading of AviSynth script
files [no] " -- I suppose "[no]" here means it is an
upstream default.. and if --enable-avisynth is not in the rules then
this won't be a feature, this is not the feature i'm after
but i suppose i'm right in this regard
1000 [05:26:51] <jml2> kk
1001 [05:27:24] <themill> [no] will mean upstream default but it
not being in d/rules doesn't mean much as this is a seriously
complicated package
1002 [05:28:26] <themill> Is it just the cli av* tools you need?
If so, the ffmpeg package from jessie-backports might be a better
choice.
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1005 [05:29:43] <Xman> hello all
1006 [05:30:33] <themill> jml2: avisynth appears to be enabled in
the jessie-backports package
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1008 [05:30:53] <themill> *ffmpeg package
1009 [05:31:51] <jml2> the avconv tool is not picking up
'mpeg-2 stream transport' format properly, so i have to
use Handbrake-cli to convert it, ...
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1013 [05:32:18] <jml2> handbrake has its limitations but it does a
pretty good job
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1015 [05:32:28] <jml2> though i'd like to use some other of
avconv's features
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1025 [05:35:25] <jml2> interesting, i have bpo enabled and
there's 7.x edition, here i have 6.x currently installed.. i
can check that newer edition
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1028 [05:38:02] <jml2> themill, interesting it looks like this
latest libav-tools allows itself to co-exists with
"ffmpeg" -- before ffmpeg cannot be installed at the same
time
1029 [05:40:53] <themill> jml2: it declares a Replaces:
libav-tools meaning that it will overwrite some files from the other
package. (Looking at the package lists, probably just
/usr/bin/qt-faststart.
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1062 [06:04:10] <jml2> themill, hmm, not sure where to look, i
guess i can ask on #ffmpeg/avconv, my problem is the -acodec is not
picking up audio data -- maybe there's a forced duration
somewhere.. but both ffmpeg and avconv give me this problem..
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1091 [06:21:23] <han-solo> is there any way to find the location
of one from ip?
1092 [06:21:28] <han-solo> like geoip?
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1095 [06:22:15] <jml2> han-solo, nope
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1097 [06:22:45] <jml2> han-solo, only your isp can really know
1098 [06:23:35] <han-solo> i mean others location from ips
1099 [06:25:08] <sypher> sudo bash -c "echo 'deb
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1100 [06:25:10] <sypher> sudo bash -c "echo 'deb-src
replaced-url
1101 [06:25:20] <sypher> Uhh, that wasn't supposed to happen.
Sorry.
1102 [06:25:34] <prussian> np sypher lol
1103 [06:25:37] <arahael> sypher: Are we allowed to mock you for
it? ;)
1104 [06:25:51] <sypher> You know what, I derp-pasted into a
channel, go for it. :P
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1108 [06:29:23] <Travis_> done that
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1138 [06:44:48] <kiril> Hello
1139 [06:45:03] <kiril> someone could you tell me is that normal
1140 [06:45:14] <kiril> Debian-+ 921 0.0 0.0 53252 3240 ? Ss Apr09
0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
1141 [06:48:15] <themill> You might need to explain what you think
is abnormal about it
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1143 [06:48:39] <Travis_> lol yeah
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1146 [06:50:15] <Travis_> I have a 1.7 TB of storage on my
personal use desktop PC im wiping windows and installing debian...
should I use xfs or ext4 ... I heard its hard to upgrade storage
past like 3TB if you choose ext4 idk though
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1149 [06:51:52] <somiaj> Travis_: my suggestion for people in
linux is to use ext4 unless you have a specific reason to not to. I
personally haven't heard of limits like 3TB in ext4, but for a
personal computer I think y ou'll be fine.
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1154 [06:52:26] <somiaj> google seems to suggest ext can do up to
16tb and has pages to say how to get bigger than that.
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1156 [06:52:53] <prussian> well
1157 [06:53:01] <Travis_> weird .. .well it has been a while since
ive bothered looking into FS' lol
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1159 [06:53:05] <prussian> I would say LVM first, then worry about
that later
1160 [06:53:13] <prussian> LVM is very useful
1161 [06:53:26] <somiaj> prussian: that is another question, using
LVM or not will still have the ext4 question. (:
1162 [06:53:58] <Travis_> idk much about this but why is there no
zfs option in debian
1163 [06:54:09] <Travis_> I hear about zfs all the time
1164 [06:54:11] <Travis_> never seen it
1165 [06:54:21] <somiaj> Travis_: maybe you saw some info about
ext3 (note ext3 and ext4 are just built on top of ext2, which has
been the file system in linux for ages. I say stick with it because
of the length behind its testing. But there are specific reasons why
one file system may fit some needs over another. I don't think
these effect most people
1166 [06:54:22] <prussian> somiaj: well, ya but you answer the fs
question later :)
1167 [06:54:36] <prussian> and you could always go back with lvm
easily :D
1168 [06:54:59] <somiaj> Travis_: I always see some new file
ssytem being the new rage, zfs is popular lately due to linux
support being new. The fat that its support in linux is new is
enough to let me wait a few years to even check itout. (:
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1174 [06:55:25] <hanasaki> Is this bug fixed? not sure from the
report..
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1175 [06:55:39] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1176 [06:55:39] <somiaj> hanasaki: the bug report should say what
version it was fixed int.
1177 [06:55:47] <somiaj> hanasaki: if it was fixed, it is usually
fairly clear.
1178 [06:55:49] <Travis_> somiaj in the future I plan on using
this pc as a home server ... I guess I don't have to worry
about that much now but I just have a habit of keeping an os forever
1179 [06:56:19] <somiaj> Travis_: I still dont' think
you'll notice much difference between file systems.
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1182 [06:57:08] <somiaj> ,v spamassassin
1183 [06:57:09] <judd> Package: spamassassin on amd64 -- squeeze:
3.3.1-1.1; squeeze-backports: 3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy:
3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-updates: 3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-backports:
3.4.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0-6; stretch: 3.4.1-3; sid: 3.4.1-3
1184 [06:57:24] <Travis_> totally unrelated question but is there
any good software in linux for overclocking a gpu
1185 [06:57:31] <Travis_> like my 750 ti
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1187 [06:57:37] <somiaj> hanasaki: very bottom of the bug, it was
fixed in 3.4.0-3, jessie now has 3.4.0-6, so it is fixed in jessie.
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1189 [06:57:49] <themill> hanasaki: also right at the top:
«Fixed in version spamassassin/3.4.0-3. Done:
<noahm@…>»
1190 [06:57:54] <hanasaki> bingo. OK. seems to say it is fixed ina
version older than the version in the ISO I installed from recently.
however; it I have the xact same issue and it is fixed the exact
same way after install
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1192 [06:59:00] <hanasaki> 1. how can I tell the version in the
ISO I instaled from? 2. did the fix automatically enable it on
upgrade if the ugprade from dist-upgrade became newer than the ISO
version that was installed?
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1195 [06:59:35] <themill> hanasaki: the output of "apt-cache
policy $packagename" will tell you about versions
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1197 [07:00:20] <somiaj> hanasaki: that will give you the version
on the cd if you have it in your sources.list still
1198 [07:00:27] <hanasaki> themill: that says 3.4.0-6 but does not
tell me what version was in the origial iso
1199 [07:00:37] <themill> hanasaki: what was the iso?
1200 [07:01:16] <somiaj> hanasaki: if you don't have the iso
in your sources, you can just look in pool/s/spamassassin in the
iso, the version will be on the .deb
1201 [07:01:20] <hanasaki> debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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1203 [07:01:38] <themill> that will be the same version
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1206 [07:02:13] <hanasaki> themill: hmmm then I think the bug
still exists.... I just had to systemctl enable spamassassin after
the install
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1208 [07:02:34] <themill> hanasaki: oh, sure, that's
intended.
1209 [07:03:05] <themill> hanasaki: the bug was fixed by
documenting that you need to do that -- spamassassin is a bit of a
beast and requires some manual configuration so it is not started by
default when it is installed.
1210 [07:03:09] <somiaj> hanasaki: it might even be documented in
/usr/share/doc/spamassassin
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1215 [07:04:17] <themill> indeed:
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1226 [07:08:22] <hanasaki> themill: and somiaj thank you
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1266 [07:32:41] <cluelessperson> Hi all, I have an old server on
which a bunch of space is being taken up by /var/spool/exim4/msglog
1267 [07:32:49] <cluelessperson> Can you help me solve this?
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1269 [07:32:53] <cluelessperson> how do I clear it out?
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1309 [08:06:16] <bhuvi> Hi, apache2 server not starting after
installing radicale
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1311 [08:07:23] <bhuvi> AH00526: Syntax error on line 13 of
/etc/apache2/conf-enabled/radicale-plinth.conf
1312 [08:07:39] <bhuvi> getting the above error message in service
log
1313 [08:07:57] <bhuvi> Unknown Authn provider: ldap
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1315 [08:08:06] <bhuvi> Action 'configtest' failed
1316 [08:08:24] <unborn> bhuddah: did you started radicale?
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1318 [08:08:41] <unborn> service radicale start
1319 [08:08:58] <simonlnu> um, it's telling you what's
wrong
1320 [08:09:12] <bhuvi> its already active
1321 [08:09:26] <simonlnu> "Unknown Authn provider:
ldap"
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1323 [08:10:00] <themill> "a2enmod authnz_ldap" if
you're lucky
1324 [08:10:02] <simonlnu> enable it that authn method then it
won't choke
1325 [08:10:11] <simonlnu> what he said :)
1326 [08:10:32] <unborn> bhuvi: apt-get install mod_ldap ?
1327 [08:11:17] <bhuvi> i did a2enmod authnz_ldap, its
working...thanks
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1329 [08:12:28] <simonlnu> ldap questions - if you have any --
>> #ldap . a lot of the openldap devs help out there
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1331 [08:13:41] <bhuvi> should the radicale package automatically
enable ldap module when installing radicale?
1332 [08:14:21] <xet7> So is
replaced-url
1333 [08:14:45] <xet7> Or should I patch somehow
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1336 [08:18:33] <jmcnaught> bhuvi: does radicale require LDAP or
if it's optional do you plan on using it?
1337 [08:19:11] <unborn> xet7: you should update os.. that is best
way
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1343 [08:20:36] <xet7> unborn: Ok, I'll backup and reinstall
and restore, because upgrading does not work directly on OpenVZ VPS.
1344 [08:21:10] <bhuvi> jmcnaught: it is one of the authentication
methods for radicale i guess, i installed radicale through
freedombox
1345 [08:21:15] <unborn> xet7: if you dont mind... what
environment you running on your srvs?
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1347 [08:21:41] <xet7> unborn: OpenVZ with 2.x kernel
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1349 [08:22:06] <xet7> unborn: server donated to OSS project
1350 [08:22:28] <unborn> xet7: when I did updated to debian 8 I
had apache 2.4.10 instead of apache 2.. so configuration options
there are slightly changed but not much :)
1351 [08:22:39] <bhuvi> jmcnaught: freedombox must be using ldap
authentication
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1353 [08:23:32] <jmcnaught> bhuvi: oh i see, plinth is part of
freedombox. i guess if freedombox configures LDAP then you want to
use it.
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1358 [08:24:33] <unborn> I mean apache 2.2.xx
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1360 [08:25:45] <jmcnaught> xet7: for the CVE you linked to, it is
mitigated by setting X11Forwarding=no in sshd_config
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1363 [08:26:32] <unborn> xet7: perhaps you would like to do the
test before deployment - setup virutalbox and try it there..
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1367 [08:26:50] <themill> it's also only really applicable to
using command="..." wrappers in which case you'd
normally set no-x11-forwarding on them anyway
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1371 [08:30:14] <unborn> cluelessperson: ssh as a root and delete
old logs.. perhaps you read them before to found out what it makes
them in first place....?
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1379 [08:36:07] <cluelessperson> unborn, it seems to be an old
cron job sending to an old ex-employee
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1381 [08:37:32] <unborn> cluelessperson: well if you dont need
that cron job running any more remove it as well..
1382 [08:37:36] <unborn> and delete logs
1383 [08:37:48] <unborn> that should stop making new ones
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1385 [08:39:36] <cluelessperson> unborn, it regards some hospital
reporting, it's not clear how the recipient is deteremined.
Thanks for your help though. :)
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1388 [08:46:08] <unborn> cluelessperson: well if he is not working
there any more than informations should not be send out to him
anyway.. I would remove that cron job if there is no any other usage
for it.. you know how to edit/remove cronjob on your system?
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1392 [08:47:47] <cluelessperson> unborn, it's disabled from
sending, which is why the queue has become so massive in the
meantime. :)
1393 [08:48:35] <unborn> ah I see.. well if you not sure about
deletion you can always comment it you so it would not run..
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1398 [08:50:06] <themill> or if you think running the job might be
still necessary but the output is not wanted, blackhole it to
/dev/null
1399 [08:50:07] <unborn> I mean comment it out with #
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1426 [09:09:21] <intore> hi guys, i installed raspbian jessie img
on a sd card for my raspberry and after boot it, nano command gives
me many errors like "Error in /usr/share/nano/perl.nanorc ...
command liblcms2-2 not understood" or command (square) not
understood. Do you have ideas about? after pressing enter it edits
the file
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1433 [09:13:23] <jmcnaught> !raspbian
1434 [09:13:23] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
replaced-url
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1436 [09:16:33] <intore> ok jmcnaught
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1439 [09:18:53] <intore> jmcnaught, i'm sorry but i thought
it could be a knowed problem in debian in general
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1447 [09:23:37] <jmcnaught> intore: no worries, now you know. nano
is not broken in Debian. i'm pretty sure that you can run real
Debian on a raspberry pi if you want
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1449 [09:23:47] <fnkr> intore: Uhm, is liblcms2-2 installed?
(apt-get install liblcms2-2)
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1452 [09:24:12] <intore> ok jmcnaught thanks
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1455 [09:25:28] <nami> hi, where i can set cron daily, weekly etc
time?
1456 [09:26:03] <intore> fnkr, the problem is not that lib... The
problem is that many files nanorc have only special character inside
1457 [09:26:07] <fnkr> nami: /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly,
etc
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1459 [09:26:50] <nami> fnkr: i mean what i set in crontab
1460 [09:26:54] <nami> as @weekly etc
1461 [09:27:33] <nami> /etc/crontab seems ignored here... weekly
is about early morning but always start at midnight
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1463 [09:28:10] <fnkr> "crontab -e" should open your
crontab file with $EDITOR
1464 [09:28:33] <nami> i'd like to set the time of @weekly
etc
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1467 [09:29:12] <nami> /etc/crontab seems ignored... @weekly is at
half past 6 am
1468 [09:29:23] <nami> but instead cron start weekly at
midnight...
1469 [09:29:37] <fnkr> 0 0 * * 7 will run on every sun at midnight
1470 [09:29:53] <nami> default is: 47 6 * * 7
1471 [09:29:58] <nami> but it's starting midnight anyway
1472 [09:30:02] <nami> this is my issue
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1474 [09:32:06] <simonlnu> what's the timezone set to?
1475 [09:33:02] <nami> +2
1476 [09:33:09] <nami> CEST
1477 [09:33:39] <nami> @weekly start at 00:00 instead of 6:47
every week
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1480 [09:35:42] <swift110-phone> Ok
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1487 [09:41:23] <nami> btw @daily is working, the only one weird
is @weekly
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1493 [09:45:25] <jim> @daily is working how?
1494 [09:46:10] <nami> start jobs at the right time
1495 [09:46:35] <nami> time in /etc/crontab is used
1496 [09:47:10] <nami> weekly start at midnight with no reason
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1499 [09:49:58] <Sir_Designer> could the midnight weekly be
started by another cron spec/another user?
1500 [09:50:25] <nami> idk how a user can specific weekly time?
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1502 [09:50:59] <unborn> nami: use this..
replaced-url
1503 [09:51:31] <nami> unborn: ty but i'm not trying to set
cron jobs
1504 [09:51:39] <nami> i'm trying to define @weekly time
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1506 [09:52:14] <unborn> nami: exactly.. you can use this to
figure out how to be able to setup this.. where is mm, dd, yy etc..
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1511 [09:54:27] <pestr> hi all
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1514 [09:55:02] <pestr> i have 32 bit debian testing anfd i have
problem with ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from
google : W:
replaced-url
1515 [09:55:03] <pestr> More information might be available at:
1516 [09:55:03] <pestr>
replaced-url
1517 [09:55:45] <pestr> howto update flash plugin?
1518 [09:56:04] <unborn> nami: cron timing is like this: minutes :
hours : month : day of month : day of week : user : command
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1520 [09:56:43] <Sir_Designer> nami see if you have any files in
/etc/cron.d
1521 [09:56:54] <nami> empty
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1525 [09:59:46] <jmcnaught> pestr: the error message actually
includes the wiki link? Is that dl.google.com a repo that you have
included in your sources.list? The cause of this problem is that
google's APT repository only uses SHA1 signatures, which the
newer versions of apt in stretch dropped support for. Google needs
to fix their repos
1526 [10:00:39] <Sir_Designer> nami /var/spool/ cron/crontabs
<-- see if there happen to be duplicate requests, one at midnight
weekly, one at 6 47 weekly
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1529 [10:02:17] <nami> what do yo umean
1530 [10:02:23] <nami> i use only @weekly as reference in crontabs
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1532 [10:03:18] <avis> can anyone tell me how i can stress test my
cpu in debian linux to make sure it meets non-flaky hardware ?
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1534 [10:04:17] <han-solo> overclocking?
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1536 [10:04:27] <avis> nope
1537 [10:04:30] <avis> worried man.
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1540 [10:04:39] <avis> bought a used computer
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1545 [10:05:21] <jelly> pestr: also google does not release any
newer 32bit chrome, where pepper flash comes from, there's only
64bit now.
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1548 [10:06:30] <Lingo> anyone here familiar with iptables?
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1551 [10:08:57] <pestr> jmcnaught: in sources.list i have deb
replaced-url
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1554 [10:10:50] <pestr> jmcnaught: deb
replaced-url
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1559 [10:11:30] <jmcnaught> pestr: it could also be listed in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d, but it's not clear to me if
you're trying to install chrome, or trying to install the
pepperflashplugin-nonfree package (also i don't know how that
package downloads chrome, and see jelly's comment above re:
32-bit)
1560 [10:11:54] <jmcnaught> pestr: seems like that package was
actually removed from testing almost a week ago too
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1562 [10:12:20] <jelly> !debian-next
1563 [10:12:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1564 [10:12:35] <jelly> ^^ probably a better place to ask about
testing
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1567 [10:13:13] <pestr> ok, thanks
1568 [10:13:45] <jelly> jmcnaught: the installer is supposed to
download google chrome, pick just the plugin out of it, and put it
where chromium can use it
1569 [10:14:16] <jelly> (pepperflashplugin-nonfree package being
said installer)
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1573 [10:14:55] <pingfloyd> avis: mprime
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1575 [10:14:57] <jelly> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
1576 [10:14:58] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64
-- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1;
sid/contrib: 1.8.2
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1580 [10:15:41] <avis> found cpuburn. silly me didn't think
it would be there. cpu has been maxing out forever without a single
hiccup. and i hear a fan now. i'm thrilled.
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1589 [10:18:10] <jmcnaught> jelly: oh thanks, i understood that in
principle, just wasn't sure if it fetched chrome with
wget/curl, or if it used apt to do it (which would surprise me, part
of why i was confused by the question)
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1599 [10:20:42] <grawity> jmcnaught: well afaik recent apt in
testing has a generic "fetch this file" mechanism that
e.g. apt-file uses
1600 [10:20:48] <grawity> so that wouldn't be very surprising
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1621 [10:30:54] <jmcnaught>
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1792 [11:53:49] <obs3d> Hi,
1793 [11:54:12] <obs3d> I was wondering if any of you guys where
taking advantage of the free offer by Valve for free use of all the
Valve produced steam-published games ?
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1829 [12:06:36] <user> hi, I need some help
1830 [12:06:39] <user> I installed debian 8
1831 [12:06:51] <user> but I get a black screen with a flashing
cursor
1832 [12:06:54] <user> after grub
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1834 [12:07:16] <user> I tried nomodeset, nvidia.modeset=0
1835 [12:07:19] <user> neither options work
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1837 [12:08:14] <markybob> user do you have secure boot enabled?
1838 [12:08:15] <user> please help me
1839 [12:08:22] <user> No, secure boot is disabled
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1841 [12:08:37] <markybob> user: which iso did you use? live?
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1843 [12:08:58] <user> non free live iso. I was able to boot in
the GUI using the live iso, but after installing, it doesnt work
1844 [12:09:12] <markybob> user: yeah. live doesn't support
uefi.
1845 [12:09:15] <user> in fact, I am using the live ISO right now
1846 [12:09:36] <user> so how do I fix this
1847 [12:09:43] <markybob> user: you use netinst
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1849 [12:09:48] <user> I cant anymore
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1851 [12:10:05] <user> I dont have any other OS on the pc, since
debian rendered manjaro unbootable
1852 [12:10:11] <markybob> user: i can't help you with live
since it doesn't support uefi
1853 [12:10:27] <user> can I use dd on the pendrive I used to
boot?
1854 [12:10:42] <markybob> user: sure.
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1856 [12:11:07] <user> okay
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1858 [12:11:11] <user> lets see how this goes
1859 [12:12:02] <markybob> user: you seriously don't have any
other option, though?
1860 [12:12:18] <user> I'm trying to chroot into my manjaro
partition
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1862 [12:12:22] <markybob> another stick? cdr?
1863 [12:12:24] <user> I will then do update-grub
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1865 [12:12:33] <user> unfortunately, my other stick is not with
me right now
1866 [12:12:55] <user> and I dont know how debian wrote to sda
even though I selected sdb
1867 [12:13:03] <user> (grub)
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1869 [12:13:44] <BenNZ> user: if you get past grub then i would
think its a graphics problem , can you boot tty1 ?
1870 [12:14:07] <markybob> BenNZ: it's not. live does not
support uefi. it's simple.
1871 [12:14:14] <user> I cant boot into tty
1872 [12:14:21] <user> but nomodeset fixes this on manjaro
1873 [12:14:27] <user> so I assumed it would be similar here
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1875 [12:14:30] <BenNZ> markybob: sorry i thought he said he
installed debian 8
1876 [12:14:40] <user> I did install debian 8
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1878 [12:14:59] <BenNZ> user: ok an install the gets the flashing
cursor not the live media ?
1879 [12:15:00] <markybob> BenNZ: he did. netinst and regular
installers support it. live does *not*
1880 [12:15:04] <user> yeah
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1882 [12:15:13] <user> I booted into xfce
1883 [12:15:18] <user> installed debian
1884 [12:15:20] <user> removed the pendrive
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1886 [12:15:21] <BenNZ> user: so i repeat the question can you
boot into tty1 ?
1887 [12:15:37] <user> I didn't try any key combos
1888 [12:15:41] <user> ill try it now and get back
1889 [12:15:42] <markybob> BenNZ: what part of live doesn't
support uefi don't you get?
1890 [12:15:50] <BenNZ> user: at the flashing cursor press ctrl
alt f1
1891 [12:15:58] <user> ok
1892 [12:16:02] <user> thanks BenNZ
1893 [12:16:03] <BenNZ> markybob: the part when he said hes trying
to boot the install
1894 [12:16:07] <user> and after that, what should I do?
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1896 [12:16:30] <BenNZ> markybob: as in hes alrady installed but
having trouble booting after he has installed
1897 [12:16:35] <user> ^
1898 [12:16:39] <BenNZ> markybob: no live media is involved
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1900 [12:17:02] <markybob> BenNZ: yes. i don't know if
you've after done it but i have. that's what happens
1901 [12:17:15] <markybob>
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1902 [12:17:16] <user> o.O
1903 [12:17:27] <user> I dont have uefi enabled anyway
1904 [12:17:42] <BenNZ> markybob: also happens when you have the
wrong gpu driver installed , hence the question if he can boot into
tty1
1905 [12:17:56] <BenNZ> markybob: i assume he can because he can
get past grub
1906 [12:17:58] <user> okay, ill boot and try it thanks bennz
1907 [12:18:05] <user> I can get past grub
1908 [12:18:07] <user> it does a fsck
1909 [12:18:10] <user> then gets stuck on the screen
1910 [12:18:20] <markybob> fsck?
1911 [12:18:41] <BenNZ> markybob: possibly id rule out a graphics
driver issue first tho
1912 [12:18:43] <user> something something "clean
/dev/sda1"
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1915 [12:18:56] <user> indicating the kernel does load up
1916 [12:19:13] <user> im gonna do that thing now brb
1917 [12:19:19] <BenNZ> markybob: easiest way to check those would
be be to boot into tty1 , if that boots , the a driver issue , or
xorg issue anyway
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1923 [12:20:05] <markybob> BenNZ: i'm agreeing with you now
that i don't know wtf is going on when he mentions fsck.
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1930 [12:21:55] <user> I can boot into tty
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1933 [12:22:20] <user> BenNZ, how do I install the nonfree nvidia
driver?
1934 [12:22:29] <markybob> !nvidia
1935 [12:22:30] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing
units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on
Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary
"nvidia" driver, see
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1936 [12:22:55] <user> thanks a lot for the tty idea btw
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1939 [12:23:13] <markybob> user: do not, whatever you do, install
the .run file from the website. follow the wiki
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1941 [12:23:27] <user> I will not, I don't even have the GUI
to do that :P
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1943 [12:23:41] <BenNZ> user: depends on which device you have as
to which version of the nvidia driver you need
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1945 [12:23:49] <user> sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver, this
should work?
1946 [12:23:53] <user> or do I need to enable the repos
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1948 [12:24:08] <henryk> you should read the wiki. there is some
more to it.
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1950 [12:24:17] <user> "As of jessie, the need for the
proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite
well and works"
1951 [12:24:19] <user> lol :P
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1954 [12:24:29] <markybob> wait, what? not gui and you want
nonfree nvidia drivers?
1955 [12:24:49] <user> I dont have a gui, so I cant install the
.run file which you warned me against anyways
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1959 [12:25:13] <TomTomTosch> what gfx card do you have anyway?
1960 [12:25:13] <markybob> .run runs in terminal. doesn't
require gui
1961 [12:25:26] <user> gtx 750 ti TomTomTosch
1962 [12:25:46] <TomTomTosch> that should work fine with nouveau.
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1964 [12:25:56] <BenNZ> user: nvidia-kernel-dkms if you want
performance tho
1965 [12:26:11] <markybob> performance for terminal??
1966 [12:26:14] <BenNZ> user: and i would probably install
nvidia-settings whilst i was at it
1967 [12:26:15] <markybob> wtf is going on here
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1969 [12:26:27] <BenNZ> markybob: hes trying to install the driver
so he can get a gui
1970 [12:26:33] <user> BenNZ, okay, I will. kernel-dkms and
settings. Thanks.
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1972 [12:26:47] <markybob> i'm getting to old for this shit
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1974 [12:27:10] <BenNZ> user: nvidia-kernel-dkms
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1978 [12:27:30] <user> got it, i'll reboot into tty and tell
you how it goes :)
1979 [12:27:32] <BenNZ> user: also you will need to blacklist
nouveau , it can be a pain to remove sometimes
1980 [12:27:34] <user> Thanks for the help
1981 [12:27:37] <user> oh
1982 [12:27:50] <user> how would I blacklist it?
1983 [12:28:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1687
1984 [12:28:04] <markybob> !blacklist
1985 [12:28:04] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module,
create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line
similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name".
If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename
/bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'.
IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a
module at installation time, ask me about <installer
blacklist>.
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1986 [12:28:15] <markybob> nvidia wiki i linked you to says how
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1990 [12:29:16] <user> are you a debian developer markybob ? :O
1991 [12:29:40] <markybob> user: no
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2007 [12:39:38] <user> so it turns out, since I am using the
nonfree iso, I already have nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-driver
installed
2008 [12:39:48] <user> since i used*
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2011 [12:42:02] <user> I can use dd on the bootable usb I am using
right now, correct?
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2022 [12:45:31] <user> :/
2023 [12:45:37] <user> why is debian so impossible
2024 [12:45:48] <khazakar> What problem dou you have user?
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2026 [12:45:59] <user> Well, I installed debian nonfree.
2027 [12:46:11] <user> But when I boot up, can only enter tty
2028 [12:46:19] <user> It gets stuck at a black screen with a
flashing cursor
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2030 [12:46:45] <hualet_deepin> user: no error messages ?
2031 [12:46:45] <khazakar> What gfx card do you have?Any other
specs?
2032 [12:46:58] <user> gtx 750 ti
2033 [12:47:02] <user> It works fine with kubuntu or manjaro
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2035 [12:47:24] <khazakar> Kernel?
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2037 [12:47:40] <user> pretty much every kernel since 3.6 has
worked
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2039 [12:47:45] <user> though with the nonfree driver ofc
2040 [12:48:22] <khazakar> Headers installed,metapackage
nvidia-driver and nvidia-driver-bin installed?
2041 [12:48:38] <user> nvidia driver yes
2042 [12:48:53] <user> I did not check nvidia-driver-bin or
linux-headers
2043 [12:48:56] <user> be right back
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2048 [12:51:24] <junkula> I can't connect using remmina, what
do I do wrong?
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2052 [12:53:00] <user> khazakar, I have all those packages you
mentioned, installed.
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2055 [12:53:23] <user> I dont get how it boots up into xfce on the
live usb but not after I've installed it on the hard disk.
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2067 [12:58:57] <user> anyone?
2068 [12:59:23] <r6ku> user: did you remember to configure xorg?
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2070 [12:59:37] <user> Yeah, configured xorg manually and via
nvidia-xconfig
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2096 [13:12:19] <donnoc> I am trying to change my Server RAID with
MegaCLI vrom a raid 1 with 2 HDDs to a RAID 5 with 4HDD. but
everytime it crashes or gives me an error. Does someone ever worked
with taht and can try to help me?
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2106 [13:17:47] <AIW007> hay....!
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2111 [13:18:40] <RoyK> eh?
2112 [13:18:43] <RoyK> ey!
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2154 [13:37:36] <unborn> junkula: rdp?
2155 [13:37:53] <junkula> unborn: vnc
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2158 [13:38:21] <unborn> use real vnc viewer.. its free..
2159 [13:38:27] <unborn> worked best for me
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2162 [13:39:32] <unborn> junkula:
replaced-url
2163 [13:39:38] <unborn> debian 64bit ^^^
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2172 [13:44:19] <junkula> I want to use remmina unborn
2173 [13:44:44] <junkula> do I input the IP in the quick connect
2174 [13:44:57] <junkula> does it need the username also?
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2176 [13:45:33] <unborn> junkula: than good luck with it. I tried
that many many times past 3 years.. always issues.. if its not
freeze then it will crash.
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2179 [13:46:24] <unborn> junkula: krdc much better then remmina
2180 [13:46:53] <junkula> unborn: I'll check it out thanks
2181 [13:47:16] <unborn> junkula: you do vnc://username@machineip
2182 [13:48:09] <junkula> thanks
2183 [13:48:13] <unborn> as I said, remmina for me is totally
waste of time as it never worked for me since I try linux (from
ubuntu version 4 i think)
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2189 [13:48:56] <unborn> krdc works but seems to me okay but no
chat or other things.. its just pure remote support tool
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2197 [13:51:35] <junkula> remmina worked for me in fedora
2198 [13:51:45] <junkula> Debian's version is outdated
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2205 [13:54:28] <no_gravity> Why does "apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade" sometimes result in the question if
ini files shoule be replaced? How does security updates trigger the
replacement of ini files?
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2240 [14:15:10] <g00se> Why is it that i have /etc/nsswitch.conf
on my wheezy yet apt-file search (updated) can't find it?
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2256 [14:22:53] <jelly> g00se: it's not shipped with a
package but generated at installation time
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2261 [14:23:48] <g00se> Ah thanks. Looking into being able to
resolve names by netbios. I think i need winbind
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2288 [14:33:30] <Kartagis> hello
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2292 [14:34:15] <Kartagis> I am tasked with creating several VMs
with KVM, but I can't locate virt-install
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2295 [14:34:25] <g00se> wbinfo -I 192.168.1.110 returns the
correct name 'JAMES' but ping JAMES gives 'unknown
name'. I thought the point of winbind was that it enabled
correct resolution of names as with dns?
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2299 [14:35:48] <markybob> Kartagis: it's in the virtinst
package.
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2302 [14:37:00] <junkula> remmina is indeed shit after all ;p
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2316 [14:42:28] <Kartagis> thanks markybob. another question. how
do I fix the perl: warning: Please check that your locale
settings... permanently
2317 [14:42:30] <Kartagis> ?
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2319 [14:43:20] <markybob> Kartagis: sounds like you need to
dpkg-reconfigure locales
2320 [14:43:33] <themill> Kartagis: the easiest approach is to
"dpkg-reconfigure locales" and have it generate the
additional locales you are using
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2325 [14:45:49] <Kartagis> heh, I must have picked the wrong
option because ALL locales are being generated now :D
2326 [14:45:59] <Kartagis> anyway, thanks again
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2354 [15:03:37] <Kartagis> can I ask about virt-install issues
here? #virt in oftc is dead?
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2367 [15:09:38] <jmarciano> I would like to know, who compiles
binaries for Debian? And where? Is it at home or at servers?
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2374 [15:11:13] <Kartagis> jmarciano: I'd say depends on the
package
2375 [15:11:36] <themill> jmarciano: most packages are compiled on
the buildd network
2376 [15:11:40] <jmarciano> is it fully automated binary
compilation? Or maintainers do that one by one?
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2378 [15:11:54] <themill> jmarciano:
replaced-url
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2383 [15:13:04] <jmarciano> yes I read thanks
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2387 [15:13:54] <jmarciano> and how is ensured that source code is
compiled as such without possible "hidden" modifications
by maintainers?
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2445 [15:43:02] <ziz15> hi does anybody else have problem update
flash player?? thanks
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2451 [15:44:54] <babilen> ziz15: What kind of problem?
2452 [15:45:32] <ziz15> babilen: i give sudo update-nonflashplugin
--install and it does nothing ...
2453 [15:45:58] <babilen> That command is wrong. You wand
"sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"
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2455 [15:46:19] <ziz15> babilen: yes
2456 [15:46:33] <babilen> Might want to pass "--verbose"
also
2457 [15:46:46] <ziz15> babilen: what i mean is it doesnt download
and install latest flash
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2460 [15:47:12] <babilen> Could you try the correct command,
suffix "--verbose" and paste the outcome to
replaced-url
2461 [15:47:18] <ziz15> babilen: i have done that it from what i
understand is says an error about people.debian
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2467 [15:48:50] <ziz15> babilen: how to upload the output to
paste.debian???
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2469 [15:49:19] <bazhang> ,v pastebinit
2470 [15:49:19] <judd> Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- squeeze:
1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; stretch: 1.5-1; sid:
1.5-1
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2473 [15:49:59] <bazhang> command | pastebinit
2474 [15:50:08] <TIM-BOSS> CIAO
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2476 [15:50:16] <drmagoo> Hi, I had to reinstall my system and
instead of Lubuntu (again) I went with Debian. Now I've got an
issue with 2 encrypted lvm-volyms not being mounted at boot. I get
the prompt to enter the passwords, but then it fails. When checking
the error message from systemd it says that its missing the service?
How to I generate that ?
2477 [15:50:22] <TIM-BOSS> !LIST
2478 [15:50:22] <dpkg> tim-boss: vedi
replaced-url
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2487 [15:54:51] <ziz15> babilen:
replaced-url
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2492 [15:56:34] <ziz15> babilen: so what is the problem exactly??
2493 [15:57:02] <dn_> Hello, I'm trying to set up my
USB-microphone device in Qtel client (Debian Jessie). I'm using
a Microsoft LifeCam HD-3000 webcam as a recording device. The mic
audio device in Qtel was set to alsa:default, but I guess it's
the wrong one. Any ideas where to find the correct LifeCam device?
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2499 [15:59:08] <ziz15> anyone else have problem with flashplugin
not be updating ????
2500 [15:59:39] <mtn> ziz15: are you just saying the version in
iceweasel is old? that is because it will never be any newer.
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2503 [15:59:58] <mtn> ziz15: if you want a newer version of flash,
use chromium and pepperflash plugin
2504 [16:00:00] <themill> ziz15: perhaps you can describe your
problem. Real output in a pastebin helps
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2506 [16:00:35] <ziz15> mtn: no i m saying that when i try to
update to the latest 11.2 version for debian it wont download the
latest
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2508 [16:00:56] <ziz15> themill:
replaced-url
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2510 [16:01:29] <mtn> ziz15: which version do you have now?
replaced-url
2511 [16:01:46] <ziz15> mtn: 577
2512 [16:02:25] <ziz15> mtn: it doesnt download and install the
616
2513 [16:02:49] <themill> ziz15: it hasn't been signed and
uploaded yet
2514 [16:02:55] <mtn> ziz15: if I was a flash user I would use
chromium
2515 [16:03:20] <ziz15> themill: that what i also though... thanks
2516 [16:03:45] <ziz15> mtn: yes but no flash for 32bit :(
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2525 [16:07:04] <ZeNEX> x
2526 [16:07:22] <dvs> y
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2532 [16:10:36] <drmagoo> can anyone here explain how the
configfiles for systemd-cryptsetup reads/works ? I think I might
have found the issue
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2553 [16:19:03] <ment0s> Hi, could you please confirm that debian
8 live is not booting with secure boot enabled ?
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2556 [16:19:27] <themill> the live images don't do any sort
of uefi
2557 [16:20:18] <ment0s> ohh so actuall instal would work probably
?
2558 [16:20:38] <themill> I don't think there are any secure
boot signed bootloaders around
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2560 [16:20:51] <themill> uefi works fine though
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2562 [16:21:12] <ment0s> fedora 23 and ubuntu works fine
2563 [16:21:32] <ment0s> downloading install media will try
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2568 [16:23:59] <Kartagis> can I ask about virt-install issues
here? #virt in oftc is dead
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2571 [16:27:59] <ment0s> themill: so there is no way to install
debian on secure boot enabled devices ?
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2573 [16:28:17] <ment0s> just tried to boot install iso and got
access denied
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2576 [16:29:35] <themill>
replaced-url
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2581 [16:32:58] <ment0s> themill: ok, why then ubuntu and fedora
can do secure boot but debian dont ?
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2584 [16:34:47] <ment0s> is it only for installer or whole debian
?
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2596 [16:39:41] <themill> Either there is a chain of trust or
there is not; you can't magically make one appear after
installation time
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2605 [16:41:38] <petn-randall>
replaced-url
2606 [16:41:39] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2607 [16:41:45] <petn-randall> Looks like it's currently
being worked on.
2608 [16:41:57] * dvs gasps
2609 [16:42:31] <petn-randall> (sorry, just rejoined, might have
missed some prior discussion)
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2614 [16:43:09] <threatzero> thrkernelman?
2615 [16:43:10] <threatzero> mefistofeles?
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2623 [16:46:19] <threatzero> thrkernelman?
2624 [16:46:20] <threatzero> mefistofeles?
2625 [16:46:35] <petn-randall> threatzero: Do you need help?
2626 [16:46:56] <saunamees> Is it hard to become a debian
contributor ? Is making some documentation useful/needed ?
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2628 [16:47:47] <petn-randall> saunamees: You don't have to
apply for it to contribute to Debian. Just do whatever you like that
you think might improve Debian in general.
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2633 [16:49:05] <petn-randall> saunamees: However, to become a
Debian maintainer or Debian Developer you have to go through a
lengthy process, but it also comes with more responsibility and
power.
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2652 [16:58:39] <Kartagis> why am I getting Error: --disk
size=500: Couldn't create default storage pool ?
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2685 [17:11:59] <saunamees> Thanks. I might just write a good
documentation on debian private cloud.
2686 [17:12:13] <saunamees> well maybe not good, I am terrible
writer :)
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2689 [17:13:22] <Tom01> Should I get Sound from the little
internal Speaker?
2690 [17:13:37] <Tom01> Which beeps, when booting.
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2694 [17:14:35] <mnords> does anyone else experience system
freezes with firefox on jessie?
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2696 [17:14:50] <Kartagis> Tom01: beeping might mean ram failure
2697 [17:15:07] <Tom01> Kartagis:No, one Beep is normal.
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2701 [17:16:21] <Tom01> But I already have changed the RAM,
because it beeped constantly.
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2703 [17:16:58] <Tom01> I mean Sound from Rythmbox e.g.
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2709 [17:18:35] <petn-randall> Tom01: The pc speaker is not
necessarily useable as a full fledged speaker.
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2712 [17:19:14] <khazakar> Hi all! Any advice,help?
replaced-url
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2715 [17:20:27] <Tom01> petn-randall: I see. Before this i3 I was
using a Power Mac G4 which played Audio with an internal Speaker.
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2721 [17:21:17] <petn-randall> khazakar: Play harder, looks like
the terrorists are winning.
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2725 [17:22:33] <r6ku> khazakar: looks like pacman ate your screen
2726 [17:23:00] <khazakar> petn-randall It's CS 1.6
2727 [17:23:27] <khazakar> r6ku It's magic of DRI3+TearFree +
DRI_PRIME=1 steam to run steam via Radeon card.
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2731 [17:24:42] <khazakar> On #radeon channel nobody know how to
help me with this :v
2732 [17:24:58] <stoned-in-laptop> Hello, I need to ask about a
reliable USB wireless NIC for debian desktop (8 year old desktop)
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2737 [17:26:01] <stoned-in-laptop> I'm running debian stable,
and wanted to know which chipset you would recommend
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2740 [17:27:44] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: It's
probably easier to just pick a wifi device you like, and just do an
internet search if it runs on Debian stable. There's a 95%
chance it'll work out of the box.
2741 [17:28:06] <petn-randall> !wifi
2742 [17:28:07] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is
dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask
me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>;
Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel:
<intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>;
Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI:
<acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See
also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>.
replaced-url
2743 [17:28:28] <stoned-in-laptop> Okay
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2746 [17:29:44] <stoned-in-laptop> Hey, thanks. good news in that
link. Currently there are only a few modern wifi chipsets readily
available that work with free software systems. For USB wifi devices
this list includes the Realtek RTL8187B chipset (802.11G) and the
Atheros AR9170 chipset (802.11N). For Mini PCIe all cards with an
Atheros chipset are supported.
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2750 [17:30:17] <stoned-in-laptop> I am assuming the N should be
backwards compat w/ G, right?
2751 [17:30:26] <khazakar> stoned-in-laptop yup
2752 [17:30:31] <stoned-in-laptop> Thank you
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2757 [17:32:39] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: I'd say
it's the other way around. I've only found one chipset
that *didn't* work out of the box of all the devices I ever got
to use.
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2759 [17:32:55] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: The mostly need
non-free firmware, but that's a different story.
2760 [17:33:04] <stoned-in-laptop> Right
2761 [17:33:23] <stoned-in-laptop> I like to try and stick to Free
software when I don't have to use non-free
2762 [17:33:54] <stoned-in-laptop> I will have to use the non-free
driver for the laptop though
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2765 [17:35:10] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: I'm not
following through. Most firmware is non-free. You can run some
devices without the firmware, but then they miss important
functionality, such as connecting to encrypted wifi hotspots.
2766 [17:35:21] <stoned-in-laptop> I see
2767 [17:35:29] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: Not that you
still won't be running any proprietary software on your CPU.
2768 [17:35:35] <petn-randall> s/Not/Note/
2769 [17:35:41] <stoned-in-laptop> I'm not familiar w/ a lot
of this. I have always used wired.
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2771 [17:36:07] <stoned-in-laptop> I mean if I have to it's
fine, but I try not to use non-free.
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2774 [17:37:26] <stoned-in-laptop> petn-randall: which one do
personally use, if you use one
2775 [17:37:37] <stoned-in-laptop> you*
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2786 [17:40:25] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: ralink chipsets
always worked for me.
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2791 [17:41:36] <wonderwhy> Hi, I feel I'm been mistakenly
banned form #debian some days ago. I gently ask an op to check, look
into
replaced-url
2792 [17:41:47] <wonderwhy> *from
2793 [17:42:20] <petn-randall> wonderwhy: But you _are_ in
#debian.
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2796 [17:42:53] <wonderwhy> petn-randall: yes, just with a
different nick. technically I'm evading that ban
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2798 [17:44:21] <jmarciano> try changing nick
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2807 [17:47:00] <petn-randall> wonderwhy: Try asking in
#debian-ops.
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2809 [17:47:18] <wonderwhy> petn-randall: that's ok, thanks
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2813 [17:48:22] <katie1231> Hey guys, I am trying to install
nvidia graphics drivers in debian. Which drivers do I need for GTX
750ti?
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2820 [17:50:52] <xorond> katie1231,
replaced-url
2821 [17:51:30] <r6ku> katie1231:
replaced-url
2822 [17:52:02] <katie1231> I've downloaded those but I
can't access a terminal from the login window (ctrl + alt + F1)
doesn't work so I can run the driver install.
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2825 [17:52:24] <xorond> katie1231, if you have a GUI running you
can do it from the terminal there
2826 [17:52:46] <katie1231> it says that X can't be running
2827 [17:53:18] <xorond> try ctrl + alt + f[range(2,7)]
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2829 [17:53:46] <katie1231> none of those work. They never have.
That's why I was hoping there was a repo i can pull down with
the drivers i need?
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2832 [17:54:47] <xorond> katie1231, you say you have the driver
downloaded, can you not run it?
2833 [17:55:01] <markybob> there is if you read the wiki r6ku
linked you to. i'm not sure why xorond is telling you to do
something that would break your debian install
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2837 [17:55:55] <katie1231> alright I'll check out the wiki
that r6ku linked
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2845 [17:59:01] <ZeNEX> Why is firefox nowhere in the repository?
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2850 [18:02:29] <jelly> ZeNEX: which debian release are you using?
It's called iceweasel in debian 8
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2853 [18:03:01] <dutchfish> for sid
replaced-url
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2856 [18:03:35] <ZeNEX> jelly, is it really the same?
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2858 [18:03:51] <orlok> Is GNOME default DE in Debian?
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2860 [18:04:09] <r6ku> ZeNEX: orlok: yes
2861 [18:04:27] <orlok> why?
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2864 [18:04:54] <r6ku> ZeNEX: you can get the latest release of
firefox from here if you need it
replaced-url
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2866 [18:05:04] <ZeNEX> r6ku, thanks
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2869 [18:05:43] <orlok> Will Icedove be Thunderbird in Debian?
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2877 [18:07:09] <petn-randall> orlok: Probably in the next
release, yes.
2878 [18:07:27] <allizom> ok, I've been unbanned
2879 [18:07:37] <jelly> allizom: right, sorry about that
2880 [18:07:41] <orlok> But Icedove is not Thunderbird in Sid now.
2881 [18:07:42] <katie1231> when i do apt-get install -t
jessie-backports nvidia-driver i get a message that says
Media-change: please insert the disc
2882 [18:07:47] <katie1231> what is that all about?
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2886 [18:08:45] <jelly> orlok: it's going to be renamed back
as well, soon
2887 [18:08:55] <petn-randall> katie1231: Have you tried a basic
internet search before asking in here?
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2891 [18:09:11] <katie1231> doing so now
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2893 [18:10:42] <jelly> katie1231: comment out any cdrom/dvd lines
in your /etc/apt/sources.list and retry?
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2896 [18:11:17] <katie1231> i dont have cdrom.dvd lines in my
sources.list
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2898 [18:11:40] <orlok> katie1231: cat your sources.list here
2899 [18:11:49] <petn-randall> katie1231: Also check
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/, and you have to run 'apt-get
update' before anything else.
2900 [18:11:59] <jelly> orlok: don't suggest that please
2901 [18:12:09] <jelly> !paste
2902 [18:12:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
2903 [18:12:16] <katie1231> thats what is was. I needed to run
apt-get update
2904 [18:12:17] <orlok> just joke
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2906 [18:12:39] <petn-randall> orlok: no, you were baiting someone
to get kicked here.
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2913 [18:14:50] <jelly> katie1231: also, you probably want to
install nvidia-kernel-dkms instead of nvidia-driver directly
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2915 [18:15:21] <jelly> something like
2916 [18:15:24] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2917 [18:15:25] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2918 [18:16:17] <katie1231> I followed the wiki and restarted and
now all i see is a black screen!
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2924 [18:17:05] <Riidio> hi guy's... simple question... in
vmware better use 32 or 64bit for distro linux?
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2931 [18:18:51] <jelly> Riidio: 64bit is the common choice these
days
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2934 [18:19:11] <Riidio> thx, bro
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2936 [18:19:21] <Riidio> also if i use only 2gb of ram
2937 [18:19:22] <Riidio> ?
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2941 [18:19:46] <r6ku> katie1231: did you remember to do the
configuration part?
2942 [18:19:54] <jelly> Riidio: 2GB for the VM or 2GB total on the
host?
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2945 [18:20:31] <Riidio> 2gb for vm
2946 [18:20:34] <Riidio> total is 8gb
2947 [18:20:46] <katie1231> r6ku: which config part? I didn't
see that in the wiki that i followed here:
replaced-url
2948 [18:20:54] <jelly> go with 64bit anyway. Easier to deal with
if you choose to grow it later
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2950 [18:21:06] <r6ku> katie1231:
replaced-url
2951 [18:21:13] <Riidio> ok thx
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2978 [18:30:47] <katie1231> r6ku: when i run sudo apt-get install
nvidia-xconfig i get unable to locate package nvidia-xconfig
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2986 [18:32:07] <katie1231> r6ku: i guess i can just manually
create the config
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3034 [18:54:59] <jelly> ,v nvidia-xconfig
3035 [18:55:00] <judd> Package: nvidia-xconfig on amd64 --
squeeze/contrib: 195.36.31-1; wheezy/contrib: 304.48-1;
wheezy-backports/contrib: 340.46-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib:
340.46-1; stretch/contrib: 340.93-1; sid/contrib: 340.93-1
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3039 [18:55:27] <jelly> katie1231: make sure you have both
"contrib" and "non-free" sources enabled
3040 [18:55:37] <katie1231> I do
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3046 [19:00:09] <awal1> sources file seems to be a big deal for
new debian users (I had same problem when I started using debian).
Maybe something may be done for solve this "problem" ?
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3050 [19:02:10] <r6ku> awal1: ubuntu and mint have a simple gui
tool for installing drivers and firmware... but not debian ;(
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3056 [19:06:22] <r6ku> good god, why hasn't that been
implented yet? does nobody care about the woes of #debian?
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3062 [19:09:22] <awal1> Probably, the installer "should"
add by default to the sources.list file those 3 lines deb
replaced-url
3063 [19:09:45] <awal1> when the installer detects ^
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3065 [19:11:36] <awal1> r6ku, non free drivers, firmwares and so
is another story. debian has has a different approach about that, as
you should know yet
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3070 [19:13:48] <dhex> Hi
3071 [19:13:53] <dhex> Why should I choose debian over ubuntu?
3072 [19:15:15] <bazhang> you shouldnt
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3074 [19:15:36] <jonathan_zz> why should you do anything?
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3080 [19:17:43] <katie1231> I am trying to manually create my
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d file I see this command that i need to run echo
-e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My
GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf is the only thing that i need to
change is the "My GPU" part?
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3092 [19:20:08] <mezo> why not just install nvidia-xconfig and run
it?
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3095 [19:20:47] <babilen> katie1231: You don't have to change
anything in there
3096 [19:20:53] <babilen> (not even "My GPU")
3097 [19:20:55] <katie1231> oh okay thanks
3098 [19:21:22] <babilen> mezo: Because it creates an overly
complex monolithic configuration that adds nothing but problems and
the above suffices for switching to nvidia
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3108 [19:23:55] <mezo> never had a problem so far with it
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3112 [19:25:30] <mezo> what was the command to reboot to uefi bios
on systemd?
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3115 [19:25:43] <johnkeates> sudo reboot and then press the del
key
3116 [19:25:47] <johnkeates> or f2
3117 [19:25:50] <grawity> systemctl reboot --firmware-setup
3118 [19:25:52] <mezo> i use ultrafast boot
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3120 [19:25:54] <johnkeates> ah
3121 [19:26:10] <mezo> grawity: thanks
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3123 [19:26:49] <mezo> i dont get why my usb keyboard not work on
grub , when using fast boot. i even enbaled full usb support for
fast boot
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3162 [19:37:04] <c0mrade> Anyone interested in free hosting?
I've got a server at home and I provide full root access. You
choose the OS of your flavor and install it on VMware running on my
server...I give up to 3GB of RAM, 200GB of HDD an a vCPU.
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3183 [19:48:47] <awal1> How to combine apt or aptitude search with
show ? Example : apt/aptitude search foo and I want to make
apt/aptitude show the descriptions of all foo related packages, like
when I run apt/aptitude show foo, without having to run apt/aptitude
show for all related foo related pkgs that apt/aptitude found ?
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3193 [19:51:49] <awal1> apt search foo have found foo1, foo2,
foo3... I want apt show me immediately the whole description of
foo1, foo2 and foo3 like it does with show
3194 [19:51:55] <petemc> awal1: im not aware of any way to do it
directly but its a simple one liner to do it yourself
3195 [19:52:08] <Drzacek> Hi. I made huge mistake. I installed
debian today on my very-slow pc, got confused during installation
(wanted to turn off GUI, but pressed enter), and now I got
not-so-light system. Any way I can disable X and uninstall it
completely (and all GUI applications aswell)?
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3198 [19:52:50] <petemc> !remove x
3199 [19:52:50] <dpkg> remove x is probably "aptitude remove
x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of
remove if you also want to remove X's configuration.
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3201 [19:53:56] <awal1> petmec, yeah, but sometimes the output of
search is so long and it may find interesting pkgs I want and
it's a bit tedious check description of the dozens pkgs one by
one
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3204 [19:54:57] <petemc> apt-cache search foo |awk '{print
$1}'| while read ; do apt-cache show $REPLY ; done | less
3205 [19:55:15] <Drzacek> petemc, thanks, purging now
3206 [19:55:19] <Testor> Drzacek: if you installed xorg you also
can uninstall it
3207 [19:55:31] <Testor> never mind
3208 [19:55:40] <Drzacek> Testor, I don't know what installs
by default
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3210 [19:56:01] <awal1> petmec, ok, i'll try and see ;)
3211 [19:56:47] <teraflops> Try It And See™ <3
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3213 [19:57:36] <Testor> Drzacek: have you installed debian from
netiso image or used a DM iso?
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3215 [19:57:49] <Drzacek> dvd1 osp
3216 [19:57:51] <Drzacek> iso
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3220 [19:59:10] <awal1> petemc, perfect and wonderful,
"apt-cache search foo |awk '{print $1}'| while read ;
do apt-cache show $REPLY ; done | less" is what I was looking;
it works just perfectly. Thanks!!!
3221 [19:59:17] <petemc> np
3222 [19:59:41] <petemc> probably a tidier way to do it, but
whatever works
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3224 [19:59:57] <Testor> ok, then you installed Gnome as your DM.
Do you know how to use aptitude?
3225 [20:00:04] <awal1> yes, but it works.
3226 [20:00:25] <awal1> now learning a bit about all those
commands combinations
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3228 [20:01:46] <karlpinc> awal1: (I'd be explicit about the
variable read into and avoid bashisms, but that's just me.)
3229 [20:02:16] <awal1> petemc, for sure I can't remember the
whole command my self but I save it somewhere and use it when needed
or call it with shell reverse search
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3232 [20:02:46] <karlpinc> awal1: Save it in ~/bin/myscriptname
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3234 [20:02:58] <awal1> karlpinc, no idea about what you said,
what happens exactly with "read"
3235 [20:03:16] <awal1> in human words please
3236 [20:03:19] <awal1> :D
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3239 [20:04:19] <karlpinc> awal1: You'd need to read (parts
of) "man dash" and "man bash" to really know.
The people in #bash will be happy to chat about it forever. It puts
lines of standard input into a variable. See #bash for more detail,
since it's not really relevant here.
3240 [20:04:57] <karlpinc> awal1: Well, the "while" is
what does multiple lines.
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3244 [20:05:50] <karlpinc> awal1: I'd recommend "man
dash". You need to pay attention to every word, but
there's _so_ many fewer words than "man bash".
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3248 [20:06:47] <awal1> karlpinc, ok, got you know. I need to
learn about all that sure...
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3250 [20:08:08] <katie1231> I installed nvidia drivers and reboot
is hung up at "Started Update UTMP about System RunLevel
Changes." anyone seen this before?
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3254 [20:09:29] <jmcnaught> katie1231: did you use the Debian
packages for the nvidia drivers? Did you remember to setup an
xorg.conf?
3255 [20:09:32] <karlpinc> katie1231: You might check the debian
wiki. It has instructions. Maybe there's troubleshooting help
too. And you could try "/msg dpkg nvidia" here to chat
with the bot.
3256 [20:10:55] <katie1231> yea i followed the debian wiki for the
driver install. I am not 100% sure my xorg.conf is setup correctly
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3266 [20:15:04] <mo1991reg> katie1231 - you need to install the
nvidia-xconfig program and then run it before rebooting if you are
using nvidia proprietary drivers. it will set up an xorg.conf for
you
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3273 [20:16:22] <Xman> hello i need help with terminal
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3280 [20:18:38] <Drzacek> How do I edit net cofinguration? I
thought I do it by editing /etc/network/interfaces, but it was blank
(during installation I entered IP)
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3286 [20:20:18] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: if you're using a
desktop like Gnome or KDE you can use NetworkManager. Otherwise
replaced-url
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3290 [20:20:58] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, I'm in bash, but it
installed with gnome, I just removed it
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3294 [20:21:52] <katie1231> is it best to install nvidia debian
backport drivers? I am following this link
replaced-url
3295 [20:21:54] <ompaul> Drzacek: the box should react to dhcp
3296 [20:21:56] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, okay, I think I got it -
ifconfig seems right, but still - can't ping anything
3297 [20:22:08] <Drzacek> ompaul, no dhcp, direct cable to other
pc
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3299 [20:22:12] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: removed network manager? did
that also remove your gnome meta-package. Be careful doing any
auto-removals from now on. In my opinion it's better to leave
network-manager installed, it will ignore anything defined in
/e/n/intefaces
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3301 [20:22:22] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, removed whole X
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3303 [20:23:13] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: ahh. "it" is
ambiguous. you can make a paste of your interfaces file if you want
it peer reviewed
3304 [20:23:44] <ompaul> Drzacek: ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.1 up
(based on lots of history and with the idea that 3. is the home
network and .1 is available
3305 [20:23:47] <jmcnaught> katie1231: i think it's okay to
use those ones, did you use that nvidia-detect tool to see which
drivers were recommended?
3306 [20:23:48] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, I'm not really sure how
could I copy anything from the other pc
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3308 [20:24:51] <Drzacek> the funny thing is, THIS pc can ping my
debian machine
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3311 [20:25:35] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: can that PC ssh into your
Debian computer?
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3313 [20:25:58] <ompaul> Drzacek: you should stick them on a cheap
switch not directly one into the other if you have problems
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3315 [20:26:15] <ompaul> and if you are new to it - bit painful
and really cheap way to get it all going
3316 [20:26:38] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i just checked
compatibility, and installed the backports. I then ran
nvidia-xconfig with sudo and re-started and now the reboot gets
hugup
3317 [20:26:42] <Drzacek> ompaul, it is temporary solution, until
I get my router running
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3320 [20:27:15] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, I didn't set up ssh
server yet
3321 [20:27:32] <jmcnaught> katie1231: can you put a copy of your
/var/log/Xorg.0.log on
replaced-url
3322 [20:27:36] <ompaul> Drzacek: wire the debian box up apt-get
install openssh-server
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3325 [20:28:08] <ompaul> Drzacek: tbh you can hit your head off
the desk for hours or you can solve it in a couple of minutes
3326 [20:28:27] <Drzacek> ompaul, okay, I guess I'll leave it
for today
3327 [20:28:47] <katie1231> jmcnaught: when i sudo run
nvidia-xconfig i get the following: package xorg-server was not
found in the pkg-config search path
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3331 [20:30:09] <ompaul> Drzacek: use the time to read about
ifconfig man page on the internet
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3333 [20:30:17] <ompaul> or run it on the machine and look at this
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3335 [20:30:23] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
3336 [20:30:24] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break
debian is
replaced-url
3337 [20:30:25] <jmcnaught> katie1231: okay, not sure how that
tool works. Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? Or something
like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ?
3338 [20:30:43] <ompaul> cos lots of bad ideas people have they
think are really good and they are not :-/
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3340 [20:31:06] <ompaul> it's only when the box dies in a new
and interesting way they try to fix and have gone too far
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3342 [20:31:42] <ompaul> Drzacek: I note you are getting help in
##networking
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3344 [20:31:59] <babilen> katie1231: You really don't need
that tool. If it doesn't work with the configuration you have
right now it is likely that the driver you installed doesn't
support your GPU. Check if it is (it is explained on the wiki page
how to do so)
3345 [20:32:01] <Drzacek> ompaul, yes
3346 [20:32:22] <babilen> A monolithic xorg.conf is not necessary
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3354 [20:36:02] <jelly> it's either a snippet in xorg.conf.d/
to select the driver, or a full xorg.conf
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3434 [21:07:41] <notsheld0n> test
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3437 [21:08:09] <jelly> test failed, notsheld0n
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3461 [21:16:33] <notsheld0n> !ping
3462 [21:16:34] <dpkg> Yes, notsheld0n, you are online.
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3464 [21:16:59] <ompaul> no tests were harmed in the making of
that ping
3465 [21:17:21] <markybob> notsheld0n: /msg the bot next time you
have some reason to think you're offline
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3467 [21:17:41] <markybob> or, you know, ping google.com or
something
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3472 [21:20:19] <GNU\colossus> is there an easy way to allow for
unprivilieged (GUI) users to install packages from the debian
repositories, like a previous Fedora release allowed to, via (I
think) packagekit?
3473 [21:20:28] <notsheld0n> markybob: nah its my IRC client
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3475 [21:20:45] <notsheld0n> My internet is crap and it times our
some applications for an unknown reason.
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3479 [21:21:34] <ompaul> notsheld0n: you can do this and check if
you are online /ping notsheld0n and it will give you useful
information
3480 [21:21:36] <markybob> GNU\colossus: they'd need sudo. so
no, not unprivileged
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3482 [21:22:29] <markybob> GNU\colossus: anyway debian has
packagekit. apt-get install gnome-packagekit but like i said, they
need sudo
3483 [21:24:12] <GNU\colossus> markybob, thanks, I'll play
around with that
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3489 [21:25:39] <Psi-Jack> With ftpsync method, is it possible to
mirror only one version of Debian, instead of pretty much all?
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3492 [21:25:52] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i do have an
/etc/X11/xorg.conf file with 20-nvidia.conf in it
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3499 [21:26:53] <jmcnaught> katie1231: okay. check that you
don't have stuff in both /etc/X11/xorg.conf *and*
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf, you only need one.
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3502 [21:27:31] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then also check your
/var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. Lines with errors have (EE) at the
start of them
3503 [21:27:48] <DeaDSouL> i have a samba server which has a
public shared folder: /Storage/Media ... and I've mounted
/dev/sdc1 ... to ... /Storage/Media/Elements ....... it works... but
I when I try to open any sub-dir, it asks me for a user &
pass... how can I make it public ?
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3509 [21:30:59] <DeaDSouL> anyone ?
3510 [21:31:24] <katie1231> jmcnaught: okay i only have the one
(/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d I checked my Xorg.5.log and i have quite a few
errors. Here's the first one NVIDIA: failed to initialize the
NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the systems kernel log for
additional error messages.
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3513 [21:31:53] <katie1231> jmcnaught: the last two are no devices
found, and no screens found
3514 [21:32:26] <markybob> sounds like the kernel module
didn't get built
3515 [21:32:59] <markybob> did you install your kernel headers
prior to doing this?
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3517 [21:33:03] <Ntemis> sup
3518 [21:33:19] <jmcnaught> katie1231: I suspect the kernel module
got built for the wrong kernel version. If you run "apt-cache
policy linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" do the installed
versions match?
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3520 [21:33:48] <Ntemis> if anyone knows how to fix this
replaced-url
3521 [21:34:39] <markybob> Ntemis: so you're in testing?
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3523 [21:35:55] <Ntemis> markybob: not exactly am not on debian
vanilla
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3526 [21:36:05] <jmcnaught> katie1231: by the way, did the default
nouveau video driver work? why not just use that one?
3527 [21:36:10] <markybob> Ntemis: then you're offtopic and
not supported
3528 [21:36:30] <Ntemis> ok
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3530 [21:36:50] <katie1231> jmcnaught: it did work, but the
graphics were not good so i thought i needed to install the nvidia
drivers?
3531 [21:37:21] <katie1231> jmcnaught: the graphics were all
blurry and zoomed in
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3534 [21:37:51] <jmcnaught> katie1231: the proprietary drivers are
faster but have their own problems. did you check if
linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 were both the same
version?
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3537 [21:38:20] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i dont think they are when
i ran that command i saw a lot of info let me type it out
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3544 [21:39:59] <jmcnaught> katie1231: check the
"Installed:" fields for both of them, is one 3.16
something, the other 4.4 something?
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3546 [21:40:50] <katie1231> jmcnaught: exactly! Yes.
linux-image-amd64 is 3.16 and linux-header-amd64 is 4.4
3547 [21:41:15] <katie1231> so my souces.list is messed up?
3548 [21:41:34] <markybob> no you just have to get your
linux-image-amd64 from backports
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3550 [21:41:45] <katie1231> how do i do that?
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3553 [21:42:00] <markybob> apt-get install linux-image-amd64 -t
jessie-backports
3554 [21:42:12] <jmcnaught> katie1231: you can do as markybob
suggests, or stick with the stock kernel from jessie by using the
linux-headers-amd64 from jessie not jessie-backports
3555 [21:42:22] <markybob> yeah, either way.
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3559 [21:42:48] <jmcnaught> the stock kernel is more polished, if
you don't need the backports kernel i'd say don't use
it
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3562 [21:44:11] <katie1231> okay so you're saying get rid of
the backports and just use the stock kernel and nouveau drivers
then?
3563 [21:44:34] <katie1231> the wiki led me to install the nvidia
backports drivers so thats what i did
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3565 [21:45:02] <jmcnaught> katie1231: well.. that is what *I*
would do, but if you want to use the nvidia drivers right now you
have compiled them for the backports kernel, while you are still
using the stock kernel
3566 [21:45:04] <DeaDSouL> katie1231: if you have the backport
repo, just type : aptitude -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64
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3568 [21:45:35] <jmcnaught> katie1231: so you need to upgrade to
backports kernel, or get nvidia-driver to compile for the stock
kernel (by using linux-headers-amd64 3.16)
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3571 [21:46:24] <katie1231> ill just upgrade to backports kernel
since I don't know how to make the nvidia-driver to compile
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3579 [21:48:03] <katie1231> is there a way to get the nouveau
drivers to render better graphics? I would rather do that instead
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3581 [21:48:36] <DeaDSouL> katie1231: next time, jsut write a
script to auto complie nvidia, whenever kernel updated, and store it
in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ .... it will save you a lot of headache
3582 [21:48:37] <jmcnaught> katie1231: it's not that hard.
you'd first "aptitude remove linux-headers-amd64",
then install that package again w/o the "-t
jessie-backports" flag.
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3584 [21:49:21] <jmcnaught> DeaDSouL: the DKMS package in Debian
already does that, the problem here was that linux-headers were
different version than linux-image
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3589 [21:50:08] * jmcnaught thinks about updating NvidiaGraphicsDrivers,
doesn't even have Nvidia though.
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3593 [21:52:52] <markybob> jmcnaught: you finally got your
account?
3594 [21:53:02] <jmcnaught> katie1231: there's a #nouveau
channel that might be able to help you with nouveau specific
problems if you prefer to use the open source drivers
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3596 [21:53:20] <jmcnaught> markybob: i've had an account
there for years. i wrote the first version of DontBreakDebian :)
3597 [21:53:52] <katie1231> jmcnaught: okay i did "aptitude
remove linux-headers-amd64" then reinstalled nvidia drivers
without "-t jessie-backports" and when i run the apt-cache
policy linux-headers-amd64 installed: none
3598 [21:54:01] <markybob> jmcnaught: oh i must have confused you
with someone else. someone with a similar nick said they were having
problems yesterday making one
3599 [21:54:28] <jmcnaught> katie1231: you still need
linux-headers-amd64 installed, just not from backports
3600 [21:54:52] <katie1231> jmcnaught: how do i install that then?
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3602 [21:54:57] <jmcnaught> katie1231: "apt-get install
linux-headers-amd64" (then check with apt-cache policy that you
have 3.16)
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3607 [21:56:20] <katie1231> jmcnaught: okay apt-cache policies
match now.
3608 [21:56:26] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then after that do
"apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-kernel-dkms"
3609 [21:56:45] <jmcnaught> katie1231: and watch the output, it
will say whether it successfully builds a module or not
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3611 [21:57:18] <katie1231> --reinstall isn't understood
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3613 [21:58:53] <katie1231> just needed the install --reinstall
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3615 [21:59:36] <jmcnaught> katie1231: --reinstall can go before
install, you just can't forget install
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3618 [22:00:02] <katie1231> jmcnaught: got it. Looks like the
DKMS: install completed. so am i good to go?
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3621 [22:01:06] <jmcnaught> katie1231: probably. if you reboot and
it doesn't work it'll probably just be the same situation
as before
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3624 [22:02:38] <katie1231> jmcnaught: yea when i reboot it sends
me straight into tty1....hmm
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3626 [22:03:49] <jmcnaught> katie1231: you said above that you
reinstalled nvidia-drivers not from backports? the problem
wasn't using nvidia-driver from backports, it was the
linux-headers from backports
3627 [22:04:40] <jmcnaught> katie1231: so you could check
/var/log/Xorg.0.log again ("0" is the most recent one), or
perhaps "apt-get -t jessie-backports install
nvidia-driver"
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3632 [22:04:59] <jmcnaught> katie1231: my suspicion is that now
you have a mix of the backports and non-backports nvidia packages
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3640 [22:09:15] <katie1231> jmcnaught: yea i check Xorg.0.log and
it's still the same errors
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3642 [22:12:20] <jmcnaught> katie1231: "aptitude purge
~i~nnvidia" should remove all of the nvidia packages. double
check the list of proposed removals before answering yes, ask about
anything you think shouldn't be removed.
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3646 [22:13:11] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then you can reinstall the
nvidia driver packages you need, either from backports or not (but
not a mix)
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3649 [22:13:30] <jmcnaught> katie1231: or if you want i can help
you get back to using nouveau
3650 [22:13:57] <katie1231> yea i think i want to just get back to
using nouveau. At least then I still have a working machine.
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3652 [22:14:33] <Somelauw> About the package 'festival'?
How do I install a new voice for this program? What package do I
find them in?
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3654 [22:14:50] <jmcnaught> katie1231: try that "aptitude
purge ~i~nnvidia" command, but double-check it doesn't
remove anything you want to keep
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3656 [22:15:18] <markybob> Somelauw: you apt-cache search festival
3657 [22:15:38] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then you need to remove the
file you made in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and there will also be a file
in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists nouveau, remove that too
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3659 [22:16:12] <hiya> debian 7 has systemd too right?
3660 [22:17:00] <markybob> hiya: it has it. not default. jessie
made it default.
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3664 [22:18:02] <katie1231> jmcnaught: I should delete the
fbdev-blacklist.conf file correct?
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3669 [22:18:52] <jmcnaught> katie1231: no
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3672 [22:19:06] <jmcnaught> katie1231: there's a different
file that actually says the word nouveau in it
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3674 [22:19:26] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i dont see that file
3675 [22:19:51] <katie1231> i only have dkms.conf
fbdev-blacklist.conf and modesetting.conf
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3684 [22:20:38] <Biganon> Hi ; I've just installed phpmyadmin
with aptitude, but no /usr/share/phpmyadmin directory was created ;
the configuration files included with the package point to this
directory though
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3686 [22:20:45] <jmcnaught> katie1231: i don't know what the
file is named. read the contents of each file with "cat".
Or do "grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/*"
3687 [22:20:48] <hiya> markybob, kk
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3689 [22:21:13] <Somelauw> markybob: I could find packages for
some of the voices (although some start with festvox instead), but
some of the voices seem to be missing for example I couldn't
find packages for Spanish and Welsh.
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3691 [22:21:38] <Somelauw> markybob: the mentions explicitely
mentions English, Spanish, Russian and Welsh to be options
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3694 [22:22:58] <Somelauw> nvm, I found them
3695 [22:23:13] <Somelauw> I was grepping case-sensitive
3696 [22:23:45] <jmcnaught> katie1231: it's probably the
dkms.conf file. if you do "cat dkms.conf" does it say
nouveau? That would be the one to remove.
3697 [22:24:34] <katie1231> jmcnaught: no it doesn't say
nouveau
3698 [22:24:40] <Mathisen> maybe offtopic in here but where can i
get the tails iso ? im talking about
replaced-url
3699 [22:25:10] <katie1231> jmcnaught: maybe i deleted those
default nouveau drivers?
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3703 [22:25:35] <markybob> !tails
3704 [22:25:36] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System)
is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of
preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian.
replaced-url
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3706 [22:25:42] <markybob> pretty offtopic, yeah
3707 [22:25:49] <jmcnaught> katie1231: grep nouveau
/etc/modprobe.d/* <--- this returns nothing? maybe purging the
nvidia drivers actually removes the blacklist file now. it used to
leave that file behind
3708 [22:26:40] <Mathisen> markybob, okej :) thx anyway
3709 [22:26:45] <katie1231> jmcnaught: yea returns nothing
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3711 [22:28:03] <TomTomTosch> Mathisen: riding the offtopic train
> their website has a big Install button with a bittorrent file
at the end of a few clicks.
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3713 [22:29:02] <Mathisen> TomTomTosch, thx
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3718 [22:29:32] <markybob> TomTomTosch: i see you're joined
the dark side
3719 [22:30:06] <Somelauw> the difference between festival,
foxlite and flint seems vague at least
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3722 [22:30:47] <katie1231> jmcnaught: should i reboot?
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3724 [22:31:22] <jmcnaught> katie1231: yeah :) worst case is
you're still in same situation. good luck, i gotta eat. lots of
other helpers here though
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3726 [22:31:32] <katie1231> thanks!
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3728 [22:31:55] <mariok> Hello!
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3730 [22:32:24] <mariok> I tried to do a Debian Stretch
installation with the Image
debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso
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3732 [22:32:36] <markybob> mariok: don't. it's known to
be broken
3733 [22:32:44] <markybob> mariok: install stable and dist-upgrade
3734 [22:32:54] <mariok> The Installation failed in the section
"Select and install software".
3735 [22:33:00] <mariok> I found this is the problem:
3736 [22:33:07] <mariok>
replaced-url
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3738 [22:33:13] <katie1231> on boot up i get "Failed to start
GNOME display manager"
3739 [22:33:23] <markybob> mariok: yeah. read what i said.
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3741 [22:33:51] <mariok> markybob: okay thanks
3742 [22:34:08] <mariok> do you know the bug id of the bug?
3743 [22:34:29] <mariok> because you know it is boken I expect
there is a bug open. Is'n it?
3744 [22:34:52] <mariok> markybob: thanks for the fast reply
3745 [22:34:54] <markybob> mariok: not off the top of my head and
to be honest i'm pretty drunk. but i do know what i said is a
fact. we get a ton of people in here every day complaining about
alpha 5. that same exact issue
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3749 [22:35:46] <mariok> It's okay for me. So you (Debian
people) are aware of that. Thanks for the support
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3751 [22:35:54] <markybob> mariok: yes
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3775 [22:45:19] <Somelauw> Could the package festvox-ellpc11k be
broken? After installing it, I tried running festival --language
spanish or castillian_spanish but both tell me I didn't install
a spanish voice.
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3784 [22:48:21] <markybob> Somelauw: i've honestly never used
it so this is just a guess. maybe you need to logout and back in for
it to recognize it?
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3793 [22:51:59] <Somelauw> markybob: logging out and in from X
didn't work.
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3843 [23:13:47] <Psi-Jack> With ftpsync method, is it possible to
mirror only one version of Debian, instead of pretty much all? For
example, I only want to mirror Debian jessie at this time, amd64
arch only.
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3908 [23:58:43] <MaBunny> Yo guys
3909 [23:58:57] <maher> update-flashplugin-nonfree --status shows
a newer version available upstream, but it doesn't seem to want
to update to it - any advice?
3910 [23:59:01] <MaBunny> Hows the day going!!!
3911 [23:59:11] <jonathan_zz> almost over, thank god ;-).
3912 [23:59:38] <MaBunny> Mines started,at night ;)
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