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25[00:25:19] <karlpinc> !guess the release date
26[00:25:19] <dpkg> Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at replaced-url
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30[00:29:59] <dob1> what you use to play a wav file from command line?
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32[00:30:27] <dob1> I remember there was "play" time ago... but I don't find it anymore
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36[00:31:59] <dob1> I installed sox. it seems to work
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38[00:33:25] <pfred1> aplay?
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40[00:34:35] <dob1> sox has play
41[00:34:45] <pfred1> aplay is part of the alsa-utils package
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44[00:35:01] <dob1> but alsa is not replace by pulseaudio?
45[00:35:05] <freem> no
46[00:35:11] <freem> pulseaudio *uses* alsa
47[00:35:23] <dob1> ah ok!
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50[00:35:48] <freem> ALSA: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Basically, it's how the kernel handle sound hardware, if I'm not wrong
51[00:36:09] <pfred1> alsa is the native sound driver pulseaudio is a server
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55[00:41:46] <dob1> what was the name of the sound system before alsa?
56[00:41:51] <freem> OSS
57[00:41:55] <dob1> ah right
58[00:41:56] <pfred1> OSS
59[00:42:19] <pfred1> I still have my license file kicking around someplace
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83[01:16:43] <epitamizor> I created /etc/systemd/network/enp0s3.network but how do I start the network?
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89[01:24:03] <jmcnaught> epitamizor: did you start systemd-networkd.service?
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91[01:27:40] <epitamizor> ok that did it
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122[02:01:53] <H-var> my favorite chinese singer is Yaso-Su Lo Nghui
123[02:02:21] <rander2> r u from china?
124[02:02:56] <H-var> yes
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126[02:03:47] <rander2> no singer here
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169[02:37:45] <milkt> is there way to mount part of block device, or appear part of block device as new device? for example, ignore first 1GB of /dev/sda and mounting next 1GB of /dev/sda as if it is 1GB device
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173[02:42:11] <milkt> without using partition table i mean
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175[02:43:26] <metbsd> ip route add 2.2.2.0/24 gw 192.168.1.2
176[02:43:32] <metbsd> is this valid?
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179[02:45:23] <metbsd> i want all 2.2.2.x packet sent to 192.168.1.2 which is a router
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186[02:49:02] <metbsd> my isp router doesn't have a feature to add route
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201[03:04:49] <dermoth> milkt, easiest is using losetup
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204[03:05:39] <dermoth> you can specify start offset and also limit, and you can loop back to another block device
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209[03:08:06] <milkt> dermoth: thank you for information, this is just i was wanting
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211[03:08:48] <dermoth> anything more advanced can be accomplished with device mapper devices... man dmsetup - can be used to map various type of rays formats/layouts afaik...
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213[03:09:05] <milkt> thank you, i'll look at that as well
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293[04:56:05] <daysun> how do you know if your unattended updates are working successfully?
294[04:56:10] <daysun> what kind of logs do you look for?
295[04:56:38] <Spec> I would check /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log
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297[04:56:55] <Spec> and, as a second log, i would reference /var/log/dpkg.log
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320[05:24:48] <Randolf> Is it possible to prevent apt from replacing easy-rsa 2 with easy-rsa 3 when upgrading modules?
321[05:26:00] <Randolf> By the way, Debian kernel upgrades are awesome -- not having to reboot or even restart most applications is amazing. I'm loving this feature.
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324[05:31:48] <jmcnaught> Who said you do not need to reboot for kernel upgrades?
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326[05:40:03] <Randolf> Perhaps I'm using the wrong terminology? I've noticed that /etc/debian_version indicates a newer version. Is this not the Debian Linux kernel version?
327[05:41:23] <pfred1> uname -a tells you what version kernel you are running
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329[05:41:47] <pfred1> sometimes it is good to check
330[05:43:26] <Randolf> Oh, I see 14.9.0-13-amd64 there. That's very different from 10.7 that shows up in /etc/debian_version.
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334[05:46:59] <th0r> Randolf, debian version and linux kernel version are not the same
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336[05:48:04] <Randolf> th0r: Thanks. I'm learning here now that I need to be more careful with my use of terminology. :)
337[05:48:36] <th0r> Randolf, and if uname -a shows a linux version of 14 you are way ahead of the rest of us!
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339[05:49:03] <Randolf> Oh? I've still got some old NetBSD servers running, actually, so I've still got some stuff that's really far behind.
340[05:49:37] <th0r> Randolf, I think the latest linux kernel is 5.xx
341[05:50:13] <Randolf> I'm currently moving a client from NetBSD 7.0 to Debian 10.7. It's going to be finished by the end of this week. Just waiting for data to finish transferring over slow network links.
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344[05:53:06] <Randolf> Oh, I see there are some new features that relate to scaling certain aspects of virtualization that may be interesting, and some fixes for EXT4, etc., but it looks like it's mostly just someone wanting to move from 4 to 5 because they "ran out of fingers and toes to count the version numbers on" according to this article: replaced-url
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350[06:00:59] <linuxmint> test
351[06:01:14] <linuxmint> Hello, any help installing iwd please? replaced-url
352[06:01:22] <th0r> if I had known there was going to be a test I would have studied!
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359[06:09:46] <Randolf> Or is there a way to rename the easy-rsa 2.2.2.2 package to easy-rsa2 so that it doesn't get replaced by updates?
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361[06:10:18] <quadrathoch2> linuxmint sounds like you are in the wrong channel
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363[06:11:56] <linuxmint> quadrathoch2: really, Proxmox is running on Debian?
364[06:12:22] <quadrathoch2> !proxmox
365[06:12:22] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
366[06:12:32] <linuxmint> I just need my Wi-Fi PCIe NIC running on the machine. Whether it runs on Proxmox or Debian is ok for me.
367[06:12:54] <quadrathoch2> so install debian if you want to get support in here
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370[06:13:01] <linuxmint> dpkg: ok, thank you.
371[06:13:01] * dpkg thanks you.
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386[06:26:13] <Randolf> Okay, I edited the control file to change the name of the easy-rsa 2.2.2.2 package to "easy-rsa2" and now apt ignores it instead of trying to automatically upgrade it to easy-rsa 3. I can't have both installed at the same time, but that's okay with me because easy-rsa 3 is b0rked anyway.
387[06:26:44] <Randolf> If anyone wants a copy of the easy-rsa2 package, I'll be happy to post it along with instructions on how to rename it yourself.
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393[06:33:41] <quadrathoch2> Randolf what didn't work for you, so that you needed to rename the package?
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396[06:37:49] <Randolf> Installing the package with "dpkg -i easy-rsa_2.2.2-2_all.deb" works just fine, but when I do "apt update && apt upgrade" it gets slaughtered and replaced with easy-rsa 3 that doesn't work (and breaks custom automation scripts, etc.).
397[06:38:39] <Randolf> I've spent hours and hours trying to figure out how to get easy-rsa 3 to generate my OpenVPN certificates, but I just can't get it working. I've followed various instructions I've found online in many different web sites to no avail, so I gave up.
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399[06:41:23] <Randolf> The easy-rsa 2 package is reliable and works well. It would be nice if easy-rsa2 was included in apt, but this is the work-around I've been using. I just discovered a few moments ago that I can modify the .deb file's DEBIAN/control file to change the package name, so I'm currently deploying this on all my servers now so I don't have to keep manually removing easy-rsa 3 and re-installing easy-rsa 2.
400[06:42:26] <quadrathoch2> sounds like a easy fix for your issue
401[06:42:41] <Randolf> Ideally I'd like to use easy-rsa 3, but I've spent too much time trying so many different sets of instructions that don't work that I've become apathetic to it since the frustration wore off.
402[06:43:06] <Randolf> Yeah, it is working. It conflicts with easy-rsa 3, but as long as nothing else ever needs easy-rsa 3 to be configured, it will be fine.
403[06:43:36] <Randolf> It's just an extra step I have to go through to configure systems now because I use OpenVPN on nearly every Debian server I run.
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405[06:47:06] <quadrathoch2> I guess you should still look into figuring out whats up with the problem
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408[06:48:22] <Randolf> I'm apathetic now. I've tried multiple times, but the instructions end up failing at some point or don't result in the files being created that should be. I've also asked people in various support network, including IRC here, and others have problems getting it working too -- this is why I think the easy-rsa 3 package is b0rked.
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411[06:49:06] <Randolf> At this point, I'm more inclined to just use easy-rsa 2 as a model to build my own sets of scripts that don't conflict with easy-rsa 3, and use them. If ever I need to use easy-rsa 3 for something else, this is what I'll do instead of wasting any more time with easy-rsa 3 (yes, I gave up).
412[06:50:03] <Randolf> Also, easy-rsa 3 is not backward compatible with easy-rsa 2 -- the way it works is very different from the way easy-rsa 2 works.
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414[06:51:36] <aaro> maybe you could have used 'apt-mark hold'
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448[07:52:58] <Randolf> aaro: Thanks! I just tried this, and I'm seeing this in the "apt list --upgradable -a" command: easy-rsa/now 2.2.2-2 all [installed,upgradable to: 3.0.6-1]
449[07:53:18] <Randolf> This would be a more elegant solution that I would prefer.
450[07:53:40] <Randolf> Oh, and it indicates that easy-rsa 3 was held back when I tried to upgrade.
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452[07:53:51] <Randolf> Thank you aaro, this is a much better solution. :)
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454[07:55:20] <oxek> if I want to add the repositories that contain -dbgsym packages, are these two lines the right ones to add to my sources.list? replaced-url
455[07:56:25] <oxek> also, do I need corresponding deb-src lines?
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480[08:25:27] <Randolf> oxek: The -src lines are for access to source code. Very often they're included, but commented out (as you can probably see in the current /etc/apt/sources.list file). If you don't need the source code, then just comment them out.
481[08:31:17] <oxek> Randolf: that's how it is for deb-src lines in normal repositories, but I'm asking about deb-src lines for the dbgsym repositories
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483[08:31:36] <oxek> I don't know if it even makes sense to have sources for debug packages
484[08:32:01] <oxek> including the deb-src lines for debug repos did not produce any sort of error during apt update though
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486[08:33:37] <themill> oxek: there's no separate deb-src for the dbgsym repos.
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489[08:34:52] <themill> The one source package produces both the binary packages you find in the normal repo and the dbgsym packages in the debug repo
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493[08:37:59] <oxek> themill: thank you. What confuses me is that if I enable deb-src for dbgsym repos, apt update produces a line that says it downloads Sources file from the debsym repos
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495[08:39:29] <themill> yeah, the Sources index still exists, it just isn't useful
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499[08:41:09] <oxek> and to confirm, the lines I wrote in replaced-url
500[08:41:11] <themill> The sources are also on the debug mirror just for licence compliance -- you'll find the source and the dbgsym together
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504[08:42:20] <themill> yeah, that wiki page isn't user-facing documentation it's the proposal to create the dbgsym packages... so it's not out of date, it's just the wrong page
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506[08:42:34] <themill> replaced-url
507[08:43:03] <oxek> oh, nice, thank you
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545[09:22:25] <OzFalcon> xfce4-notes does not appear to be in bullseye, Any alternatives that anyone knows of?
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554[09:40:30] <ksk> OzFalcon: Mhhm I saw on an Ubuntu Upgrade that the "notes app" that was integrated in the desktop disappeared - there are countless others available though..
555[09:40:59] <ksk> You might be able to find your notes in ~/.$app or so ;)
556[09:41:29] <ksk> #debian is about Stable by the way (which is Buster right now)
557[09:41:32] <ksk> !debian-next
558[09:41:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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705[12:17:18] <BCMM> i have this thing where i don't know whether it is a bug or not:
706[12:17:37] <BCMM> oh hang on, this is a #debian-next sort of thing. sorry.
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744[13:03:35] <MrTrick> If I have a variable in='filename.ext' and I want $out to become `filename_out.ext` (and fail if no ext) what's the correct bashism?
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755[13:10:06] <MrTrick> hmm, this seems to work. `ext=${in##*.}; if ["$in"=="$ext"]; then exit 3; fi; out=${in%.*}_out.$ext`
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762[13:16:09] <ratrace> MrTrick: #bash might be more helpful
763[13:16:39] <MrTrick> thanks ratrace
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797[14:03:53] <rowbee> hi, can i prevent new kernel versions from installing? i am using a custom kernel build and the recent changes in apt say that older kernels will be automatically removed, so not sure whether this applies to kernels outside the repos.
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801[14:05:21] <tarzeau> rowbee: apt-mark hold ?
802[14:05:32] <rowbee> i will look, thanks
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804[14:06:10] <petn-randall> rowbee: I "recent" changes? Which OS release are you running?
805[14:06:31] <rowbee> bullseye/testing. apt version is 2.1.17
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811[14:09:55] <Mister00X> rowbee: have a look at the /usr/share/doc/apt/NEWS.Debian.gz file
812[14:10:08] <rowbee> okay, thank you
813[14:10:13] <Mister00X> there is written how to undo it
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820[14:18:10] <routebee> cool nick rowbee
821[14:18:19] <rowbee> lol
822[14:18:22] <rowbee> you too
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830[14:28:27] <BCMM> rowbee: i think that just reverts what was previously special treatment of kernels
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832[14:28:59] <BCMM> in that, for most users, specific kernel packages are installed because the linux-image-amd64 metapackage pulls them in
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834[14:29:34] <BCMM> and if they are not treated specially, they are eligible for autoremove when linux-image-amd64 shifts its dependency to the new package
835[14:30:37] <BCMM> oh, it actually goes on full-upgrade, not on autoremove? that is a bit strange and new
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926[15:55:38] <oxek> how can I find out why libdebhelper-perl is not being upgraded? this is the output of 'sudo apt dist-upgrade' replaced-url
927[15:56:03] <oxek> I have run 'apt update' and 'apt upgrade' before that
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931[16:00:27] <n4dir> apt-cache policy will give you some info, libdebhelper-perl seems to be in stable-backports
932[16:01:07] <n4dir> iirc if something is installed from backports, it usually gets upgraded automatically. If you made changes apt-cache policy should tell, you might find the reason
933[16:01:54] <oxek> n4dir: output of 'apt-cache policy libdebhelper-perl' replaced-url
934[16:02:54] <n4dir> i meant plain: "apt-cache policy". Not good at reading the output, but i think it tells if something is pinned, on-hold, or such
935[16:03:04] <oxek> it is not pinned
936[16:03:21] <oxek> 'apt-mark showhold' says nothing
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938[16:03:31] <n4dir> apt-get install version=<version> ; or something like that, manpage should know, might be worth a try
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942[16:04:48] <oxek> I've been going through all that, and nothing told me why libdebhelper-perl refuses to get upgraded
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945[16:05:25] <oxek> I can try uninstalling debhelper and reinstalling it
946[16:05:44] <oxek> but before I do that I'd like to learn how to debug this - how to find out why a package would not get upgraded
947[16:05:52] <jelly> oxek, it is likely you did not install the package using apt -t buster-backports install ... so apt does not "remember" it's okay to automatically upgrade it from there
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951[16:06:33] <oxek> the package was installed as a dependency of debhelper (according to 'aptitude why libdebhelper-perl'), and indeed debhelper was installed from buster-backports
952[16:07:02] <oxek> jelly: hmm, so is the only solution to uninstall and reinstall debhelper?
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955[16:07:47] <jelly> oxek, no, just be explicit that you want that package and that you want the one from buster-backports
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958[16:08:08] <jelly> apt-get -t buster-backports install libdebhelper-perl
959[16:08:23] <jelly> and after that mark it as autoinstalled again
960[16:08:33] <oxek> jelly: I mean if I want that package to remain automatically installed as opposed to manually picked, and for 'apt upgrade' to work
961[16:08:56] <jelly> apt-mark auto ...
962[16:08:58] <oxek> yeah, that will work, but feels bad
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965[16:09:05] <hansol> hello people
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967[16:09:11] <hansol> can i install php fast cache
968[16:09:14] <hansol> on debian ?
969[16:09:23] <oxek> jelly: I can get it done, but I wouldn't expect a regular user to know what to do
970[16:10:02] <n4dir> as said: usually you don't have to
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972[16:10:13] <jelly> that's fine. People who know what to do don't come asking in here.
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980[16:15:08] <Reventlov> Hey there. Trying to setup a new dell server I got with some debian, and I'm having trouble setting the keyboard to another layout (right now it's in qwerty and won't go into azerty)
981[16:15:33] <Reventlov> I used dpkg-reconfigure keyboard, I have the keyboard-configuration and console-setup packages installed, I'm using debian 10.5
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987[16:17:56] <quadrathoch2> Reventlov sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ?
988[16:18:01] <quadrathoch2> that should at least do it
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990[16:18:08] <Reventlov> yup, it does not change anything :/
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997[16:19:16] <n4dir> next guess: console-setup (perhaps console-data).
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1003[16:20:55] <Reventlov> console-data is not installed, but console-setup does not change anything
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1009[16:27:35] <Reventlov> replaced-url
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1020[16:33:57] <bru> Reventlov: In the meanwhile keyboard-configuration gets checked, you could try modifying /etc/default/keyboard (I know this is an actual solution but another way to do what you want)
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1022[16:34:26] <Reventlov> bru: but the thing is /etc/default/keyboard has all the good data…
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1026[16:34:48] <Reventlov> like, the good keymap, the good layou, it's just… it's not applied or used, it seems.
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1028[16:35:14] <hdparm> problem here
1029[16:35:26] <hdparm> i'm trying to remove kde
1030[16:35:43] <hdparm> i tried sudo apt remove task-kde-desktop
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1032[16:35:58] <hdparm> followed by apt autoremove
1033[16:36:06] * shtrb facepalm
1034[16:36:18] <hdparm> but i still find a lot of kde applications
1035[16:36:18] <azeem> shtrb: ?
1036[16:36:31] <shtrb> about hdparm autoremove
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1038[16:36:45] <bru> Weird...
1039[16:36:57] <Mister00X> hdparm: you may have installed them manually
1040[16:37:06] <hdparm> nope
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1042[16:37:25] <Mister00X> hdparm: are you sure about that?
1043[16:37:27] <hdparm> i ran task-kde-desktop
1044[16:37:34] <bru> Let me see if I can reproduce the bug
1045[16:37:49] <hdparm> buster and xfce
1046[16:37:49] <quadrathoch2> hdparm you probably rather want to remove plasma-desktop, not the metapackage task-kde-desktop
1047[16:38:00] <hdparm> i tried that too
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1049[16:38:24] <azeem> hdparm: it could be that tasksel is doing something special with the installed packages so that autoremove doesn't find them
1050[16:38:34] <shtrb> hdparm, you may had gotton packages without that task (normally it goes via kde-full , kde-minimal etc)
1051[16:38:37] <hdparm> maybe
1052[16:38:51] <n4dir> hdparm: did you also try with *kde* ? After that still stuff will remain, iirc, like konsole and such
1053[16:38:54] <n4dir> a pain in the butt
1054[16:38:57] <Mister00X> hdparm: could you give us an example of a not uninstalled package
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1056[16:39:25] <hdparm> dolphin, gwenview, krename, kb3
1057[16:39:35] <shtrb> hdparm, try start by kde-baseapps
1058[16:39:41] <hdparm> and lots more
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1060[16:40:03] <Mister00X> hdparm: have you looked at apt rdepends dolphin
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1063[16:40:24] <hdparm> i think i'll try to mark them all in synaptic
1064[16:40:30] <shtrb> Mister00X, he needs dependencies not reverse
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1066[16:40:44] <n4dir> i would use the * wildcard, and hope that quite some libs get removed the folloing automreve would take a lot with it.
1067[16:40:48] <n4dir> then hunt for the rest
1068[16:40:56] <Mister00X> shtrb: he wants to remove whatever keeps dolphin installed
1069[16:41:19] <hdparm> thank you guys
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1071[16:41:51] <bru> Reventlov: I tried some stuff and noticed that, as far as I'm on a X server, setxkbmap overrides keyboard-configuration's settings
1072[16:42:05] <bru> Is this your situation or are you on console?
1073[16:42:19] <shtrb> Mister00X, that is not what I understood from his question , I understood he wished to get rid of kde, but when he removed the a dependency of all kde (for what he thought) it was not removed, so it was either installed via one of the minimal installation (kde-minimal for exampl ,or plasma-desktop or something similar)
1074[16:42:43] <azeem> he installed the task
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1076[16:42:57] <Mister00X> shtrb: and rdepends should show that
1077[16:43:02] <Reventlov> bru: I was on console only. But now, I did a update, installed console-data, and redid all the configuration steps and it's ok
1078[16:43:06] <Reventlov> I was missing "console-data"
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1080[16:44:12] <bru> >This package provides the standard data files for the Linux console tools..This includes keyboard definitions (keymaps), console fonts for variousencodings, maps defining the standard charsets for use by text applications,and fallback tables allowing to approximate an unavailable character's glyphwith the glyph of another character in the current font.
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1082[16:44:34] <bru> Yep, sounds like the problem. Glad you solved it, Reventlov!
1083[16:44:39] <shtrb> did hdparm loose his irc chlient
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1085[16:44:47] <azeem> no they just quit
1086[16:44:59] <Mister00X> shtrb: I was wrong. sorry.
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1093[16:48:29] <Mister00X> it should have been something like apt rdepends --installed --recurse dolphin
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1121[17:20:06] <qbwdp> Hello.
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1123[17:22:13] <gh00p> Hi there. I have a vps where I have a /24 routed, and I have been running openvpn for the past few years to get the /24 back to my home network. My provider moved my vps to a different host last night and is now using a gre tunnel to get my IP address onto the vps .. and openvpn will no longer run because it can't create an interface.
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1125[17:22:16] <gh00p> I *think* what I want is to set things up so that openvpn can dynamically create tun1, but I don't know how. I'm getting `ERROR: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun` in the openvpn log. Can someone point me in the right direction?
1126[17:22:40] <gh00p> The vps is running jessie.
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1135[17:29:53] <jelly> gh00p, is this a full VM and you control the kernel, or a container-based VPS? If it's a container you might not have permissions to use tun at all, in that case you'd need to contact the provider
1136[17:31:22] <jelly> gh00p, you can install "imvirt" or "virt-what" to make a guess what kind of VPS it is
1137[17:31:33] <jelly> install and run
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1139[17:32:17] <gh00p> Hmm. It is a container. The *old* server allowed me to create tun devices, but perhaps that was missed in the transition. Thank you, I will check that. Would you happen to know what I might suggest my provider look at? (Always helps speed things up.)
1140[17:32:30] <gh00p> LXC?
1141[17:32:52] <gh00p> yes, LXC.
1142[17:33:03] <jelly> ask the provider to enable tun (or tun/tap, or whatever they call it)
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1144[17:33:42] <jelly> otherwise openvpn can't work at all
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1147[17:36:54] <jelly> gh00p, it might also be it's enabled but the device node does not exist? Unlikely, but you could try creating /dev/net/tun like at the bottom of replaced-url
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1150[17:38:04] <jelly> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 200 Dec 24 09:40 /dev/net/tun # should be the result, char device with major,minor 10,200 and mode 0666
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1158[17:45:09] <gh00p> jelly: solved it! The new VPS did not have a /dev/net directory. I created it and did a `mknod -m 666 /dev/net/tun c 10 200`, and now all is well. Thank you very much for the hints.
1159[17:45:37] <gh00p> Oh wait, that was the suggestion at the link you sent. I also found it at replaced-url
1160[17:46:17] <gh00p> (I don't think my host uses proxmox, but afaik proxmox is just a front for lxc anyway.)
1161[17:47:06] <jelly> yeah, proxmox is basically nicely packaged lxc and kvm for hosting
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1164[17:47:25] <jelly> far as I can tell
1165[17:47:32] <jelly> never used it
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1279[19:12:43] <jhutchins> shtrb: It's not clear what your goal is.
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1287[19:15:16] <shtrb> To learn how to properly setup firewall rules from within libvirt, for example I wish to allow a single external allowed ip to talk and block everything else.
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1293[19:20:33] <jhutchins> shtrb: "talk" is too vague. What service do you want to connect to?
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1295[19:21:24] <jhutchins> shtrb: Is this an external connection? Does the VM have multiple IPs? Which direction is the signaling?
1296[19:21:52] <jhutchins> shtrb: Ordinarily, you don't need a firewall to block traffic, you tell the service to listen to a particular port or IP.
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1300[19:22:25] <jhutchins> shtrb: Run nmap against the system and see what ports are listening to external addresses.
1301[19:22:29] <shtrb> let say I wish to only allow outgoing only to 140.82.121.4 or from (it does not matter what ip), a VM with a single ip , block everything else (but still allow access locally), I understand how to do it with iptables, but I wish to understand what would be the proper way to do within libvirt
1302[19:22:47] <shtrb> *everything else to be blocked.
1303[19:23:08] <jhutchins> There is no need to block anything.
1304[19:23:40] <shtrb> The need is me to try and understand how networking config is done with libvirt
1305[19:23:43] <jhutchins> It's not going to start randomly sending traffic to other servers.
1306[19:24:27] * shtrb look over his firefox which connect to mozilla, windows which phone home etc etc etc
1307[19:24:37] <jhutchins> If you're talking about inbound traffic, tell the service to only listen to the desired source.
1308[19:25:02] <shtrb> I'm talking about outbound, my goal is to learn about libvirt networking
1309[19:25:26] <jhutchins> Then you set up your service to talk to that one host. There's nothing to block.
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1314[19:26:13] <jhutchins> I strongly suggest netstat and nmap and learning what runs on a linux server. There's not much open by default. In fact, new builds can be maddening to get into if you don't have console access.
1315[19:26:43] <jhutchins> !networking
1316[19:26:43] <dpkg> For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see replaced-url
1317[19:27:15] <jhutchins> shtrb: I think you would understand better if you learned a bit more about how linux works with networking.
1318[19:27:28] <shtrb> jhutchins, I asked how to do networking within libvirt and if there are any better approaches than managing than directly with iptables / ufw
1319[19:27:46] <shtrb> but thank you , for your comments
1320[19:28:01] <jhutchins> shtrb: Yes, and your understanding of what you are asking about it is not correct.
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1322[19:28:40] <BCMM> jhutchins: i think you are, at the very least, not communicating very effectively
1323[19:28:49] <jhutchins> shtrb: You do not have random services sending or listening like you do with Windows.
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1326[19:29:48] <shtrb> jhutchins, I wish to block a VM doing that , and configure that on libvirt level , my VMs ARE WINDOWS, even under linux you have garbage that phones homes (I think docker was doing that)
1327[19:30:21] <jhutchins> BCMM: I'm certainly not reaching my target.
1328[19:30:37] <BCMM> shtrb: have you already seen replaced-url
1329[19:31:55] <shtrb> BCMM, I think not good enough, I missed the filter command , thanks
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1331[19:32:43] <BCMM> replaced-url
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1333[19:33:29] <shtrb> (*) thank you was about to arrive it
1334[19:33:47] <jhutchins> shtrb: I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your request or your responses, I will leave you to others who do.
1335[19:34:12] <shtrb> jhutchins, I'm sorry for that, BCMM pointed me the proper way , thank you
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1453[21:16:28] <pierrot> Hello. I've donde a fresh install on my HP Pavilion 15-cw1063wm and I can't get the internal speakers work (I only hear the sound with headphones). The speakers are fine because I have dual boot with Windows 10 and they work well there
1454[21:16:43] <pierrot> I've installed pavucontrol and everything looks good
1455[21:17:10] <beelzebuzz> did you mute/unmute eveything in alsasmixer?
1456[21:17:26] <pierrot> no, I did that in pavucontrol
1457[21:17:36] <beelzebuzz> not what i aksed
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1459[21:18:04] <pierrot> I didn't open alsamixer
1460[21:18:30] <pierrot> so "No, I didn't" is the reply for your question
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1462[21:18:56] <beelzebuzz> please check it
1463[21:19:07] <beelzebuzz> it's one of the usual quick fixes for audio
1464[21:19:39] <pierrot> it's a command line utility... I don't know what to press
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1468[21:20:22] <pierrot> F1 is supposed to be for "Help" but when I pressed it, it closed alsamixer
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1470[21:20:45] <greycat> arrow keys and 'm' to toggle mute, mostly
1471[21:21:00] <ratrace> F1 opens the help dialog here; are you runnign the same alsamixer?
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1474[21:21:42] <greycat> F1 also opens help for me, in urxvt
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1476[21:22:15] <ratrace> urxvt here too
1477[21:22:26] <pierrot> F1 closes alsamixer here. I pressed m and I see that mutes sound in pavucontrol too
1478[21:22:32] <pierrot> I pressed m again but still no sound
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1480[21:22:45] <greycat> F1 works in xterm too
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1483[21:23:03] <pierrot> I was using KDE Konsole
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1485[21:23:58] <ratrace> now that you mention it.... I think KDE and GNOME terminals love to hijack F keys... I had to reconfigure gnome terminal every time, when I was using it, so I could use F10 in htop
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1487[21:25:50] <jmcnaught> pierrot: is the correct profile set for your sound card under the Configuration tab in pavucontrol?
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1489[21:27:17] <pierrot> jmcnaught : yes, I have "Estéreo Analógico.Duplex"
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1492[21:28:51] <backupluis> Hi, I'm trying to use flatpak on my Debian, I just try to install qbittorrent and flatpak want to download almost a gigabyte from kde, freedesktop and so on. Can somebody give me some clue about this.
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1494[21:29:55] <greycat> That's how flatpak/snap work. They use a fully self-contained copy of every library needed to run the software, eschewing all of your existing system libraries.
1495[21:30:02] <jmcnaught> backupluis: flatpak apps share common runtimes, so if you download another flatpak app package that needs KDE they will already be downloaded.
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1497[21:30:19] <jhutchins> pierrot: For F1 to work for help, the project has to build either a local help system or an on-line system F1 can launch a browser for. The program has to listen for F1 and respond correctly.
1498[21:30:41] <backupluis> I know that, but I never though that will need a whole kde to run an app, Thanks!!!!
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1501[21:31:13] <n4dir> assuming there is a reason to not use qbittorrent from the debian repo
1502[21:31:17] <ratrace> backupluis: you'll need the whole chromium embedded into every electron application you're using
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1504[21:31:32] <jhutchins> pierrot: F1 is not really a standard, it's just a habit people have become used to. As more and more projects started using it, people started expecting it, and projects stopped using the many alternatives.
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1507[21:32:41] <backupluis> Thanks guys, just uninstalling "flatpak".
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1509[21:32:55] <pierrot> jhutchins: this is a clean KDE plasma-desktop installation so everything is as default. I opened Konsole, opened alsamixer, pressed F1 and that closed the application.
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1511[21:33:17] <jhutchins> backupluis: There are a few programs that are internal to gnome and KDE and they won't run independently.
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1513[21:33:35] <ratrace> pierrot: check Konsole settings and disable F* bindings (unless you need them)
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1515[21:33:54] <n4dir> pierrot: or just use xterm or such, if all you want is quickly check alsamixer
1516[21:34:05] <backupluis> But just for qbittorrent a whole kde is a nonsense thing.
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1520[21:34:41] <pierrot> thanks jhutchins and ratrace , but these shortcuts issues don't really matter for my sound problem
1521[21:34:58] <n4dir> backupluis: i did a simulated install from the repos, and it only pulls in a few dependencies. assuming i don't oversee something being horribly tired ...
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1525[21:35:41] <ratrace> btw for all you flatpak users, there's a vuln, a DSA published, so make sure you upgrade.
1526[21:35:59] <ratrace> it's one of those "You had one job!" type of vulns :)
1527[21:36:29] <backupluis> No, no flatpak, will keep using the old qbittorrent
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1530[21:37:43] <backupluis> I just try flatpak because I red an article about it and just try with qbittorrent, but, no wayyyyyy, hehehee.
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1532[21:37:52] <pierrot> n4dir : yes, on xterm F1 works as expected. Thanks
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1535[21:38:45] <ahub> Hi, I'm not finding the option in the manpage. Is there away to run apt with a list of package, but *not* reinstalling the ones already present ?
1536[21:38:52] <ratrace> backupluis: flatpak (and snapd, appimage, ...) have their use. it's a nice way to clicky-clicky get a whole program or version that otherwise isn't regularly packaged. for the price of increased disk space
1537[21:39:01] <jhutchins> backupluis: I think qbittorrent is meant to be integrated with KDE in several ways. Just find a different client.
1538[21:39:33] <Mister00X> ahub: that is the default
1539[21:39:50] <jhutchins> backupluis: If you search for <your de> and "torrent client" most DEs have a default and suggested programs page.
1540[21:39:50] <BCMM> jhutchins: "integrated with kde" in what sense?
1541[21:40:02] <BCMM> it's a Qt application, but i don't think it has any KDE dependencies...
1542[21:40:06] <Mister00X> ahub: they will be marked as installed manually though
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1544[21:41:04] <jhutchins> BCMM: BCMM Maybe not, maybe that's just the flatpak version. I haven't used KDE in years and I don't use torrent, so I wouldn't know details, but I think of programs like Amarok that require KDE.
1545[21:41:16] <backupluis> I try almost all the clients, but qbittorrent is the best for me, I use deluge for a long time, but have many errors. No problem with the old qbittorrent version, I just use it to try the flatpak system. BTW, I use some appimages, for example Krita, but none of them needs 1gb of programs to be downloadaded and installed.
1546[21:41:35] <BCMM> jhutchins: what do you mean by "require KDE" exactly?
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1549[21:41:50] <ahub> Mister00X: oh ! That's why ! Thank you :)
1550[21:42:07] <BCMM> amarok actually *is* a kde application, in that it uses KDE libraries, but you don't have to be running KDE's desktop environment or anything
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1552[21:43:07] <jhutchins> Ok, we'll blame flatpak then, I don't care.
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1554[21:43:31] <greycat> !blame flatpak
1555[21:43:31] * dpkg blames gordonfish and flatpak for the end of the Internet as we know it
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1560[21:45:21] <BCMM> yeah, sounds like a flatpak problem. Debian's qbittorrent doesn't have any KDE dependencies at all.
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1568[21:50:01] <slop> hi all <3
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1572[21:51:28] <asc> hi
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1584[22:05:29] <pierrot> hey!! after 3 reboots, it's working now :O I did anything apart from that
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1587[22:06:15] <slop> 3 is the magical number. reboot 3 more times to undo what you did with the three reboots.
1588[22:06:38] <pierrot> lol
1589[22:06:42] <slop> :)
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1591[22:08:11] <pierrot> I *hate* this arbitraries
1592[22:08:52] <greycat> or it's a race condition and the correct configuration comes up 25% of the time
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1594[22:09:49] <pierrot> now I'm afraid of rebooting and losing sound again lol
1595[22:10:05] <slop> One reboot wont remove it, it takes 3
1596[22:10:28] <slop> all jokes aside, I have seen an issue with audio when wifi is enabled
1597[22:11:13] <freem> ultrasounds?
1598[22:11:44] <slop> I get stutters in audio until I disabled wifi, odd but still. once disabled and reloaded all worked great.
1599[22:12:02] <slop> hold up, I think that was on ubuntu. sorry
1600[22:12:15] <jhutchins> slop: What are your DE and music app?
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1602[22:12:52] <slop> was using Firefox to play youtube and thats when I ran into the stuttering
1603[22:13:09] <slop> note, this was on ubuntu not on debian (or mx linux)
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1606[22:14:43] <jhutchins> slop: Can we assume this was on gnome?
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1610[22:16:56] <slop> yes gnome sorry didnt include the DE
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1613[22:18:17] <jhutchins> Youtube used to be pretty heavy on firefox.
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1615[22:19:56] <freem> s/firefox/everything not owned by google/ ?
1616[22:21:10] <jhutchins> I think google has some resource pigs as well.
1617[22:21:33] <freem> there was, IIRC, stuff to make it run faster only on google's browser
1618[22:21:44] <slop> that and extensions used as well, ublock orgins etc
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1634[22:32:43] <deepy> There have been complaints from Mozilla alleging that Google is sabotaging other browsers, replaced-url
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1636[22:33:58] <slop> wow!
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1638[22:34:32] <Mister00X> what a surprise
1639[22:34:36] <freem> that's what I was refering to
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1641[22:36:06] <freem> now, is that true, I don't know, never dug the topic. I would not be surprised if yes, but then, mozilla is not really people I'd trust neither
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1643[22:37:27] <n4dir> and probably quite an amount of google stuff is found inside it also
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1646[22:40:33] <jhutchins> Firefox has always been CRAP on YouTube.
1647[22:41:06] <deepy> freem: it's probably true but not necessarily with malicious intent
1648[22:41:32] <deepy> every little gain helps and you probably only really test your things
1649[22:42:04] <jhutchins> My own theory would be that other browsers aren't keeping up with YouTube's design. Google has an advantage of knowing what is going to change and how. Others have to discover it.
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1651[22:42:50] <freem> I honestly don't trust them with any of their words. They proved they don't really care about FOSS (integration of private blobs and services into FF), they proved they don't care about privacy (their website and extension page fed google) and other stuff I've forgot
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1655[22:43:47] <slop> maybe we have to go back to using iceweasel
1656[22:43:58] <slop> :)
1657[22:44:09] <allizom> freem: which browser do you use?
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1660[22:44:43] <freem> firefox and vivaldi, depending on the website. I trust none of those tools.
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1662[22:45:08] <saint_> can someone tell me what actually happens with this command I see in a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xxx.list : deb replaced-url
1663[22:45:43] <saint_> like how does the apt install xxx fetch this URL , and the two keywords after that ?
1664[22:46:22] <greycat> that's not a command; that's a configuration line
1665[22:46:38] <slop> as in which sources you want to get updates from.
1666[22:46:49] <slop> e.g. moving from stable to testing
1667[22:46:57] <greycat> it's telling apt "this is a place you can find packages"
1668[22:47:23] <greycat> apt retrieves a list of available packages from every configured source
1669[22:47:32] <saint_> greycat but so i believe there is an http request behind that, right? could i list the remote files or query the remote server to see what is available ?
1670[22:47:44] <greycat> Yes, you could.
1671[22:47:47] <allizom> saint_: see replaced-url
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1681[22:53:41] <saint_> Thanks allizom
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1683[22:54:26] <saint_> i think i understand now. so by default, it uses ToyStory characters name. So if I look for the packages of a specific version, that's the name after the repository address. then it's type of release (main, contrib, etc..)
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1686[22:56:03] <freem> also, allizom: as I said, I don't trust browsers, but I must use 2 because because depending on the browser, websites will work... or not :)
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1689[22:56:22] <freem> and that's true for both browsers: the one derived of chrome, and firefox.
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1692[22:56:49] <freem> that's amusing, when you think they advertised web applications as being more portable than traditional ones
1693[22:56:59] <allizom> freem: can you point to a website you cannot use with firefox?
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1695[22:57:15] <sney> saint_: almost, the package lists and metadata are in dists under the suite name (character name) but the packages themselves are all together in pool. see replaced-url
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1697[22:58:01] <freem> got several of them buggy, depending on time. So now I don't use them with firefox anymore, but maybe it have been fixed. So, no, unfortunately I can't
1698[22:58:29] <allizom> freem: I'd advise taking a shot then
1699[22:58:30] <freem> I also tend to use web asless as possible, only for some rare websites I know, and those I'm forced to use.
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1703[23:02:05] <freem> maybe I will. But even if they work, let me be honest, I won't use FF anew as main browser, and it's not about performances, but about UI
1704[23:03:09] <freem> from what I remember, last time I did effective measures, FF required less memory to work, which I consider a strong point in favor of it, but it's still a UI which... well, I don't like it, and I can't change it without extensions, which is something I dislike.
1705[23:03:34] <allizom> The only web apps I can name, off the top of my head, which do not work at all with Firefox are Microsoft properties. But then, I am not a fan of web apps and I do mostly disable JS.
1706[23:03:47] <allizom> Let me find a Vivaldi screenshot
1707[23:04:44] <freem> a simple example of that is, my screens have more width than height, yet firefox's UI requires a plugin (with risk of API break) to have vertical tabs. It's a simple thing, but it's a lot to me. Mouse gestures, too, are something I like. There are other minor features I like there that FF do not have
1708[23:04:58] <allizom> I see
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1710[23:05:49] <allizom> does Vivaldi have third-party addons?
1711[23:06:00] <freem> it's a chromium fork.
1712[23:06:12] <freem> like almost all browsers nowadays, one might say
1713[23:06:29] <allizom> yes, but can it use the google extension repo?
1714[23:06:55] <chakpapa> freem, links is not :P
1715[23:07:10] <freem> I don't usea lot of those so I'm not sure, but I think yes, I use aria2c and ublock origin, I think I've found them there
1716[23:07:11] <chakpapa> firefox, yes walking that road
1717[23:07:21] <allizom> chakpapa: I like w3m better.
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1719[23:07:36] <chakpapa> allizom, I have actually never used it. Any advantages of good old links?
1720[23:07:41] <chakpapa> *over
1721[23:08:20] <allizom> Mostly a personal preference, I remember its commands more easily
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1723[23:08:37] <allizom> And also layout is better on some webpages
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1727[23:10:55] <freem> can both of them render images in X-terminal emulators?
1728[23:11:06] <freem> w3m I'm sure can, but links I dunno
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1730[23:11:24] <allizom> freem: w3m can show them in an external viewer
1731[23:11:38] <freem> it can also do in terminal emulator itself IIRC
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1733[23:12:17] <spacedust> i read the other day that w3m is a pager :) i still dont really get it what a pager is ?
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1735[23:12:25] <spacedust> and it can also be used as a text based browser as a pager
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1737[23:12:39] <freem> a tool to "page" text. Like less and more
1738[23:12:53] <spacedust> allizom: i tought w3m was long time gone not updated but its actually on github and its very much updated
1739[23:13:05] <spacedust> freem: yeah i knew w3m wasnt an actual browser
1740[23:13:12] <spacedust> but forgot how it worked
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1743[23:14:04] <spacedust> replaced-url
1744[23:14:23] <spacedust> changelog 11 days ago * NEWS: Indentation fix.
1745[23:14:39] <spacedust> i should try the newest release :) why not
1746[23:14:47] <allizom> spacedust: seems tats had a not very busy 2020... in 2019 there were far fewer commits
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1748[23:15:02] <spacedust> 2021-01-03 Tatsuya Kinoshita <tats@debian.org>
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1750[23:15:23] <spacedust> nice job :)
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1752[23:20:23] <spacedust> last time i used w3m was 0.5.3_p20180125
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1754[23:20:44] <Fromhell> hallo
1755[23:21:46] <allizom> Fromhell: EHLO
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1757[23:22:26] <Fromhell> allizom, can you have help whith thelounge ?
1758[23:22:36] <spacedust> Fromhell: the hell lounge ? :)
1759[23:23:01] <Fromhell> :)
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1761[23:23:08] <allizom> thanks, I don't need any
1762[23:23:23] <allizom> what's it regardless?
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1764[23:23:44] <chakpapa> Bullseye is looking really great. I used to be a Rolling / bleeding edge fanatic. But grew tired of adapting to the rapid changes over time. Probably might just stick to Bullseye even way past the regular cycle an into LTS
1765[23:24:19] <chakpapa> 5.10 is a good kernel. I mean once it gets more polishing
1766[23:24:37] <Fromhell> allizom can you help
1767[23:24:52] <allizom> what's the question
1768[23:25:18] <allizom> (hint: probably not, ask the channel)
1769[23:25:53] <jelly> dpkg, kernels
1770[23:25:55] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.10.7, mainline: 5.11-rc3, stable 5.10: 5.10.7, stable 5.9: 5.9.16 (EOL), longterm 5.4: 5.4.89, longterm 4.19: 4.19.167, longterm 4.14: 4.14.215, longterm 4.9: 4.9.251, longterm 4.4: 4.4.251, linux-next: next-20210114
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1774[23:29:28] <Fromhell> Linux fromhell.ee 4.19.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.160-2 (2020-11-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux....... need i update kernel ?
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1783[23:35:47] <chakpapa> Hmm. Don't want to start up a flamewar. But. Am I the only one who doesn't like the new Debian website?
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1785[23:36:07] <spacedust> who is starting a flame war ?
1786[23:36:14] <chakpapa> Sure the old one looked more like a science lab, but it was much better
1787[23:36:19] <spacedust> new debian website ? hmm lets see
1788[23:36:30] <spacedust> oh wow
1789[23:36:42] <spacedust> thats a (culture) shock (experience)
1790[23:36:44] <spacedust> bleah
1791[23:37:02] <Fromhell> replaced-url
1792[23:37:06] <Fromhell> can you help
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1796[23:37:26] <spacedust> chakpapa: i dont like it :D got your first supporter :D sorry debian website devs ... i really liked and actually more then liked got used to (cause i liked it(more then this thats sure)) to the old one
1797[23:37:43] <chakpapa> This whole Mobile / Smart UI is not something I can relate with
1798[23:37:46] <spacedust> i guess its phone and tablet ready or why the switch ?
1799[23:37:48] <spacedust> yeah
1800[23:37:49] <chakpapa> May be cause I am of the 80's generation
1801[23:37:52] <spacedust> i tought so
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1803[23:38:16] <spacedust> the old one was just good :D this one well its visibly what you say mobile smart UI stuff
1804[23:38:20] <spacedust> but not in a good way :)
1805[23:38:23] <spacedust> sorry again
1806[23:38:41] <spacedust> its just my opinion, no i couldnt had done better :P better i would had done = keep the old one :P
1807[23:38:45] <chakpapa> The old one may be too "Science Laboratory" for some people. But I loved it. Debian isn't suppose to be an eye candy cottonball like Ubuntu
1808[23:39:07] <Fromhell> spacedust , can you help
1809[23:39:13] <spacedust> Fromhell: i dont think so
1810[23:39:25] <Fromhell> maby some one help ?
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1812[23:39:36] <spacedust> Fromhell: im not too good at debian :)
1813[23:39:41] <freem> maybe formulate a question, Fromhell?
1814[23:39:45] <spacedust> i like it, used to be simple as the website :)
1815[23:39:50] <Fromhell> replaced-url
1816[23:39:55] <chakpapa> But anyway. Not that I will have to live with the website. I use the OS.
1817[23:40:03] <freem> "npm ERR! enoent ENOENT: no such file or directory, lstat '/root/thelounge-deb/pkg'" <== maybe there's no more space on disk?
1818[23:40:05] <chakpapa> But I must say, I absolutely LOVE the proposed artwork for Bullseye
1819[23:40:10] <freem> oh, sorry, no
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1821[23:40:22] <freem> it says there's no /root/whatever file
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1823[23:40:50] <freem> now, I wonder: why does it ask about root files? Do you run npm as... ereplaced-url
1824[23:41:15] <freem> also, it says "npm ERR! /root/.npm/_logs/2021-01-14T22_36_32_855Z-debug.log"
1825[23:41:32] <freem> for now, I'm tempted to say "One more npm's victim"
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1828[23:42:29] <freem> Fromhell: ^
1829[23:42:38] <Fromhell> ?
1830[23:42:42] <Fromhell> freem
1831[23:42:43] <freem> I'd say, start by running npm *without being root*
1832[23:43:04] <freem> and give us the logs if you want help, as I pointed, it says there's more logs
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1840[23:52:10] <freem> looks like I just froze the hell
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