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0[00:00:16] <vvor> Sir_Designer: just fused with it for a long
time
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6[00:02:21] <glick> i see vvor
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7[00:02:29] <glick> yeah i want to use emacs as the editor for
mutt
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8[00:02:31] <glick> thats what i mean
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9[00:02:43] <glick> not mutt within emacs
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10[00:02:56] <glick> im still new to emacs
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12[00:03:19] <vvor> that's good
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13[00:03:38] <glick> i havent used gnu in a long time
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14[00:03:48] <glick> a good 3 plus years
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15[00:03:54] <glick> so forgot a bunch of stuff
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17[00:04:18] <Sir_Designer> it's cool. see if emacs stars
nice and fast in the shell. if it does, no problem
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18[00:04:36] <glick> right now i use mate
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19[00:04:48] <glick> i3 looks kina cool
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21[00:05:17] <nullbyte_> how can i add from grub2-update uefi
Windows 10 to grub i have os-prober.. becouse by default grub doesnt
add uefi
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22[00:05:47] <Lowl3v3l> glick: there are way more tiling
wm's and their combinations. e.g. i use xfce but with a tiling
window manager underneath :D
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24[00:06:14] <glick> i see Lowl3v3l
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25[00:06:14] <vvor> glick: if you are in to that... checkout
DWM
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27[00:06:37] <glick> i dont know what im into, like i said ive
been away from gnu for a good 4 years or so
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31[00:09:56] <vvor> glick: my 2c, jump in! but first preppier a
good working setup that you can go back to. After taht go exotic
i.e. tiling etc.
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34[00:13:36] <vvor> glick: Don't swallow it all at once.
Get a hang of Emacs move on to Mutt then to tiling WM...
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35[00:13:40] <glick> goof advices vvor
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36[00:13:47] <glick> good
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37[00:13:48] <glick> lol
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38[00:14:11] <klow> Anyone know if its possible to add
"margins" (blank space) to a linux console (like not
X-Windows but just tty1). I have a typing-only laptop I use with
nano and Id like to move the text more towards center screen on this
old laptop .. make sense?
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39[00:14:22] <glick> in irssi alt-arrows are used to change
channels
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41[00:14:36] <glick> i3 alt-arros are used to change windows
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42[00:14:39] <glick> so what do you do?
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43[00:14:52] <glick> in that situation
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44[00:14:53] <glick> ?
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46[00:15:25] <vvor> remap :-)
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49[00:16:07] <vvor> or use DWM ;-)
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58[00:19:25] <vvor> klow: does'nt nano it occupy the hole
screen?
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59[00:19:57] <klow> vvor: it does. So im trying to figure out a
way if i can shrink and center the TTY itself
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62[00:20:23] <klow> I can shrink it, but it shrinks to the top
left corner (with SCREEN_WIDTH/HEIGH environment varaibles followed
by "setupcon" command)
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63[00:20:50] <klow> But I use this laptop for nothing but
typing into nano , and I would like to center nano a bit so I am not
always looking at the far left of the laptop screen
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68[00:21:00] <klow> since what I am writing is usually short
lines (lyrics)
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71[00:22:14] <vvor> klow: you can run it in screen
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73[00:23:17] <vvor> klow: split it with something, as a hack
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79[00:26:54] <vvor> klow: C-a | // Create a split
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81[00:27:34] <klow> vvor : thats not a bad idea. thanks
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83[00:27:45] <vvor> klow: C-a <Tab> // Move to the split
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85[00:28:09] <vvor> klow: C-a c // Create a new window within
the split
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121[00:54:32] <mohammad-ghasemi> how to know my debian version
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122[00:54:32] <mohammad-ghasemi> ?
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123[00:54:42] <cafuego> cat /etc/debian_version
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124[00:54:48] <cafuego> or 'lsb-release -a'
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126[00:54:54] <mohammad-ghasemi> cafuego: thank you
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128[00:55:04] <cafuego> Sorry, `lsb_release -a`
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134[00:58:37] <debuser34509438> Hello guys. I am using Debian
for the first time. I booted from a live USB, and want to try the
distro first. I wanted to install Google Chrome, downloaded the
.deb, but unfortunately, there are no package managers present.
There is no apt, synaptic, aptitde, etc. How can i fix this?
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137[00:59:18] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Thay are present, but
'apt' isn't actually a command you can run.
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138[00:59:30] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Use `dpkg -i
foobar.deb` to install a local package.
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139[00:59:46] <missmbob> uh. of course apt is a command you can
run
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140[00:59:52] <cafuego> debuser34509438: If that fails ebcasue
of a missing dependency, run `apt-get -f install`
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142[01:00:38] <cafuego> missmbob: Ha! Goes to show how often I
try that ;-)
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143[01:00:48] <debuser34509438> cafuego: dpkg: command not found
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144[01:01:11] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Not present as
/usr/bin/dpkg ?
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151[01:02:22] <debuser34509438> Nope
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152[01:02:43] <debuser34509438> I will try with apt-get -f
install
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154[01:02:55] <cafuego> debuser34509438: That won't work on
a local file
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155[01:03:14] <debuser34509438> unfortunately apt-get is not
present too
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156[01:03:37] <cafuego> which live usb archive did you download?
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157[01:03:39] <missmbob> you have to be root for all
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158[01:04:01] <cafuego> missmbob: True, but even if not root,
usr/bin should be in $PATH
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159[01:04:05] <debuser34509438> I've downloaded the xfce
debian, i guess the latest version
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162[01:06:01] <debuser34509438> So, will there be a way for me
to install Chrome? :)
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164[01:06:36] <debuser34509438> Can't see a software-center
or something similar
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165[01:07:22] <missmbob> i told you. become root
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166[01:07:26] <debuser34509438> i did.
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167[01:07:38] <debuser34509438> everything was written in root
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168[01:08:13] <missmbob> then you're not using debian
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169[01:08:26] <debuser34509438> -.-
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174[01:10:33] <debuser34509438>
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175[01:10:36] <debuser34509438> Here you are
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179[01:13:56] <cafuego> debuser34509438: echo $PATH
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181[01:16:11] <tymczenko> I have a question. Why do I never
receive notifications about available updates? I'm using Jessie
8.8, gnome. There should be some notifications. When I open GUI
updater there are no available packages until I go to terminal and
execute "apt-get update". Any suggestions?
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182[01:16:30] <cafuego> debuser34509438: And also, cat
/etc/debian_version
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184[01:17:07] <missmbob> tymczenko: i dont doubt it. 8.8 is just
a few days old. stable doesnt get a lot of updates. it's stable
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188[01:18:02] <debuser34509438_> had to change the web client,
kiwi irc is very buggy
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191[01:18:50] <tymczenko> missmbob, but again, when I execute
'apt-get update' my GUI updater shows me some packages
available to update. But still I have no notifications. It's
very strange
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192[01:19:01] <cafuego> tymczenko: unless you have some periodic
task fetching updates, there won't be any
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193[01:19:11] <debuser34509438_> this is what i get when i
execute the PATH command
/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin
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194[01:19:18] <cafuego> tymczenko: If there's a cron task,
check syslog to see if it in fact runs
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195[01:19:20] <missmbob> tymczenko: make a cronjob
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197[01:19:42] <cafuego> tymczenko: There's `cron-apt` to do
that for you, afaik.
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199[01:21:06] <tymczenko> cafuego, missmbob , okay, I'll
use some cron. But I've read today in
'debian-handbook' that if I have Gnome I should receive
desktop notifications and don't need to bother about cron...
that's why I'm here and asking you guys. If you suggest me
to use cron, I'll do it. I just wanted to be sure that this is
the right way :)
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201[01:21:42] <debuser34509438_> Anyone willing to help me use a
package manager?
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202[01:21:48] <cafuego> tymczenko: I don't use Gnome on
Debian (or any gui) so I can't really comment on whether that
should work or not.
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203[01:22:02] <debuser34509438_> apt, dpkg, aptitude, none of
them are present, i don't know why
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204[01:22:14] <glick> d
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205[01:22:14] <cafuego> debuser34509438_: `cat
/etc/debian_version`
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208[01:22:32] <tymczenko> cafuego, do you use it as desktop
system or as a server? I'm just curious
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209[01:23:01] <cafuego> tymczenko: as a server (and VMs, and
docker images, however inadvisably)
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212[01:24:20] <debuser34509438_> cafuego:
replaced-url
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214[01:24:45] <cafuego> debuser34509438_: You're not using
debian.
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215[01:24:47] <missmbob> right. not debian
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217[01:24:52] <vook> what makes you think you are using debian
debuser34509438_ ?
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221[01:25:38] <debuser34509438_> -.- ...
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223[01:26:17] <cafuego> Srsly.
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224[01:26:40] <jerware> well his name is debuser
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228[01:27:10] <cafuego> i can set my name to windowsuser
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234[01:28:04] <vook> I think fedora live sets the hostname to
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235[01:28:10] <debuser34509438_> I want to make an excuse to all
of you guys. I am using Fedora, and apparantly i have joined
#debian, instead of #fedora. Sorry for wasting your time :$.
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237[01:28:21] <tymczenko> cafuego, just for a minute I imagined
you as my new super-hero who using Lynx, Vim and other old-school
stuff and never opens GUI :)) okay, thanks for your help, I'll
learn something about Cron now and will try to handle my updates
properly
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238[01:28:48] <cafuego> tymczenko: That's what I *do* use
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239[01:29:04] <tymczenko> cafuego, Lynx, srsly?
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240[01:29:07] <cafuego> Well, not so much lynx, but wget and
curl.
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241[01:29:10] <vook> yeah, tell them in #fedora that apt, dpkg,
etc. aren't installed ;)
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244[01:29:36] <cafuego> tymczenko: actual browsing I do on the
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245[01:29:41] <tymczenko> cafuego, that is more oldschool than I
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247[01:29:58] <cafuego> tymczenko: Started in 1994, never
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248[01:30:06] <tymczenko> cafuego, haha
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267[01:39:55] <glick> hi amdgoon
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268[01:40:00] <ForceRecon> is icedove still considered better
than thunderbird
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270[01:40:56] <bazhang> ,v icedove
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271[01:40:57] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy:
38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1;
wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; wheezy-security:
1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie:
1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3
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274[01:41:10] <bazhang> ForceRecon, what do you mean still
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276[01:41:48] <ForceRecon> just curious because it is not
included in debian
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277[01:41:52] <missmbob> they're identical. just rebranded
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278[01:41:55] <ForceRecon> at least not under internet
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280[01:42:11] <bazhang> same thing, different name
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284[01:42:32] <ForceRecon> okeedo
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287[01:43:17] <ForceRecon> Icedove was the Debian project's
rebranded version of the Mozilla Thunderbird e-mail client. In
February 2017, Thunderbird packages were reintroduced into the
Debian repositories,[9] and on April 20, 2017, the Icedove package
in Debian Stable was de-branded back to Thunderbird.
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288[01:43:23] <ForceRecon> interesting
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289[01:43:27] <glick> hi can someone please send me a private
message?
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291[01:43:36] <glick> i want to see what that looks like on
irssi
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293[01:43:48] <missmbob> glick: /msg dpkg
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297[01:44:40] <glick> missmbob: i want to see what it looks like
if i recieve a PM
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298[01:44:58] <ForceRecon> i sent one..
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299[01:45:03] <missmbob> glick: yeah. say anything to dpkg and
it'll reply
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300[01:45:17] <glick> hmm thanks missmbob ForceRecon
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305[01:45:41] <n_blownapart> hi I cannot seem to install emacs
on a 32bit debian jessie 8 machine. It seems like I do have it
installed. I was removing some files (virtual emacsen? ones) so
probably screwed up. here is the sources.list file to potentially
save time. thank you
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314[01:48:15] <phogg> n_blownapart: you can maybe run apt-get
with --reinstall to repair if you deleted some files that need to
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316[01:49:04] <n_blownapart> excellent phogg thanks I'll
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318[01:51:24] <n_blownapart> phogg please look at this ... :
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320[01:52:11] <n_blownapart>
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326[01:56:58] <n_blownapart> hi I cannot seem to install emacs
on a 32bit debian jessie 8 machine. It seems like I do have it
installed. I was removing some files (virtual emacsen? ones) so
probably screwed up. here is the sources.list file to potentially
save time. thank you
replaced-url
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328[01:57:16] <n_blownapart> sorry ignore that ^^
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353[02:11:14] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. Somewhat newb
question. What is the correct way to write an ISO to USB? I've
done dd in the past but seem to always get errors when I do that
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354[02:11:36] <econdudeawesome> for the record, trying to make a
LiveUSB
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357[02:13:11] <epsilon> which iso? if debian-installer or
debian-live, dd is fine
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360[02:13:41] <econdudeawesome> Okay. If I want to expand beyond
debian-installer or debian-live, what should I do?
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361[02:13:41] <at0m|c> econdudeawesome: live iso doesnt support
EFI boot. maybe install to a usb stick instead of writing the live
iso to stick
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363[02:13:50] <at0m|c>
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368[02:16:15] <glick> i /msg dpkg hi
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376[02:20:33] <robert45> hi guys, does anyone know anything
about strace? This is the output Im seeing but I dont understand
what is it doing
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382[02:22:54] <econdudeawesome> Shoot. If I accidentally deleted
a partition, is there a way to recover the data?
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383[02:23:14] <econdudeawesome> Important lesson--sdb is not
sda...
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384[02:23:28] <bazhang> restore from backups
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385[02:24:29] <nine_milli> bazhang: please be topical
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387[02:25:00] <bazhang> nine_milli, restoring from backups is
very topical here
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388[02:25:45] <missmbob> good advice for that issue, too
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392[02:26:24] <econdudeawesome> unfortunately too late I think
though, current backup a bit dated
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393[02:26:33] <star> parted has some ability to recover deleted
partitions, if you know roughtly where it began and ended...
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395[02:26:35] <abrotman> did you format it, or just delete it ?
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398[02:26:56] <star> check their docs, I've only ever tried
it once, sucessfully, so I don't claim expert-status
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400[02:27:00] <econdudeawesome> I thought the operation canceled
>_<
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401[02:27:09] <abrotman> which ?
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403[02:27:13] <econdudeawesome> Format
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405[02:28:11] <econdudeawesome> I intended to format my backup
external hard disk to copy over the data in anticipation of
reformatting the disk. Ooops :(
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408[02:29:00] <econdudeawesome> I have multiple partitions set
up on the hard drive and wiped the personal media partition
(music/home videos). Most of it is backed up, but if I can get at it
via restore that would be really awesome
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416[02:32:20] <econdudeawesome> star I'll check it out
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490[03:22:01] <n_blownapart> hello on a debian jessie 32bit, how
do I absolutely remove everyting pertaining to emacs everywhere ?
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491[03:22:21] <n_blownapart> apt-get remove emacs does not seem
to be working
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492[03:22:24] <glick> why in the world would anyone wanna do
that
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494[03:22:42] <n_blownapart> please humor me
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496[03:23:45] <abrotman> what is left?
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501[03:24:49] <n_blownapart> abrotman, I cannot apt-get remove
emacs and then install a fresh package. It seems to still be
installed.
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502[03:25:43] <n_blownapart> it doesn't prompt me for
"y" and it seems to "install" way too fast. or
give messages such as "already latest version"
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503[03:26:08] <abrotman> n_blownapart: then that's the
question you shuld ask .. what are you actually trying to do?
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505[03:26:41] <n_blownapart> It won't launch, it won't
remove so that I can install fresh. It's a ghost
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506[03:27:08] <abrotman> when you run it from the console,
what's the error?
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509[03:27:49] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: you should be able to
just apt-get remove or apt-get purge the emacs packages you want to
get rid of, providing nothing else is installed that depends on
them.
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510[03:27:49] <n_blownapart> command not found. I have an alias
in .bashrc, "em" and that yields nothing
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511[03:28:14] <n_blownapart> oh yeah I forgot about purge
pingfloyd
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512[03:28:46] <pingfloyd> purge or remove depends if you want to
keep around their configuration
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513[03:28:47] <abrotman> n_blownapart: you could "aptitude
reinstall emacs" ?
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516[03:29:54] <n_blownapart> purge is fine. but purge returns:
"emacs is not installed, so not removed"
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518[03:30:03] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: are you trying to get
rid of emacs, or actually reinstall with the default config?
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520[03:30:40] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: if you've already
remove it, you can't use apt-get purge to remove the config
files, but there is a way to remove the residual config (a few
ways).
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521[03:30:46] <n_blownapart> reinstall with the default config
would be fine. I deleted .emacs.d manually
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522[03:30:52] <abrotman> jesus
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523[03:31:01] <n_blownapart> no good? hehe
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524[03:31:05] <abrotman> n_blownapart: "dpkg -l | grep
emacs" what do you see?
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525[03:31:47] <n_blownapart> one moment please abrotman
pingfloyd
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527[03:33:15] <n_blownapart>
replaced-url
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528[03:33:32] <n_blownapart> abrotman, pingfloyd ^
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531[03:35:28] <abrotman> n_blownapart: aptitude reinstall
emacs24
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534[03:35:38] <n_blownapart> ok cool one moment
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535[03:37:40] <n_blownapart> You are SAINTS abrotman pingfloyd
thanks kindly
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538[03:40:44] <abrotman> n_blownapart: all good?
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605[04:17:09] <TinkerTiger> Well, I suppose I should go back in
my logs and see why this box shut down a few days ago.
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609[04:21:32] <TinkerTiger> What's the best log to find a
general error, if there was one, which cause my computer to shut
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611[04:21:52] <TinkerTiger> syslog?
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614[04:22:33] <TinkerTiger> Nope.
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621[04:29:55] <foul_owl> Is there any way to see how many times
a package has been downloaded from the repos? Ie, am I the only
person using this binary or are other people using it too?
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622[04:30:26] <ryouma> foul_owl: popularity contest is one rough
estimate, but dunno whether it is accurate
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627[04:32:17] <foul_owl> Aha!
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628[04:32:19] <foul_owl> Thank you
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629[04:32:27] <foul_owl> Just want a rough estimate here.
Thanks!
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630[04:32:52] <ryouma> yw. i used it to choose various packages.
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635[04:34:43] <nerdbios> hellow
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647[04:40:27] <glick> hi
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648[04:40:45] <glick> hey does anyone know if there is a way to
convert .swf video files to something more gnu friendly?
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649[04:41:05] <glick> i tried various online converters but they
all fail
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655[04:44:46] <lendo> vlc ?
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656[04:45:12] <TinkerTiger> Hmm, no indication of what happened
in messages.
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661[04:47:05] <lendo> glick:
replaced-url
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662[04:48:02] <TinkerTiger> As a former SWF Interactive
Developer, I can not allow that! Oh, well, go ahead.
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663[04:48:17] <TinkerTiger> More dead technology.
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666[04:48:51] <mutante> maybe it helps to first convert it to
Silverlight. /me hides
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704[05:50:22] <Wegg> does anyone have any experience installing
Jessie on newer hardware? Specifically NVMe drives?
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710[05:55:25] <jmcnaught> Wegg: i've seen some people do it
on IRC
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712[05:56:01] <Wegg> I have found a guide and I managed to do it
last night but I got a lot of errors that made the install
un-usable.
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713[05:56:01] <jmcnaught> some of them needed to upgrade to a
kernel from jessie-backports while still in the installer
environment (before first boot)
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715[05:56:22] <Wegg> Right. I need to do jessie-backports
install linux-image-amd64
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716[05:56:29] <Wegg> and then get grud-efi
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717[05:56:40] <jmcnaught> sounds right
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718[05:57:27] <Wegg> It's just the resulting install keeps
giving a ton of errors when you are in a terminal. So much so that I
couldn't install nvidia drivers or do anything. . .
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719[05:57:58] <jmcnaught> let's start with the errors then
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720[05:58:00] <Wegg> Once I'm in an X session I guess it
hides all those errors from me.
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721[05:58:12] <Wegg> Ok let me get to that point again and
I'll let you know what's happening.
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723[05:58:16] <Wegg> Thank you jmcnaught
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724[05:58:16] <jmcnaught> wait
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725[05:58:36] <jmcnaught> if you're in X, we can find the
errors in the logs
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727[05:59:11] <Wegg> Well I started over just now so . . no
logs.
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732[06:02:25] <jmcnaught> general rule of thumb with Debian is
that if you can boot into a working system, the rest you can fix in
a terminal emulator window in X
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733[06:02:38] <jmcnaught> some exceptions of course
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734[06:03:27] <Wegg> exception = installing Nvidia's
drivers. :-(
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735[06:03:50] <jmcnaught> not for most people
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736[06:04:17] <jmcnaught>
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740[06:06:36] <Wegg> ok so jessie with the updated kernel, after
I have installed and try and launch with the updated kernel I get a
wall of errors.
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743[06:07:40] <Wegg>
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746[06:08:21] <Wegg> No sprom
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748[06:08:47] <jmcnaught> but it eventually gets to a graphical
login?
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749[06:09:05] <Wegg> nope.
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750[06:09:23] <jmcnaught> have you tried installing stretch?
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751[06:09:26] <Wegg> ok I think sprom is the wifi. I'll
dissable that in the bios and start over.
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752[06:09:52] <Wegg> stretch = same thing.
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755[06:10:26] <Wegg> Ubuntu and Mint both worked and I TRIED to
adapt to using both but after a day on each was hating it.
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757[06:10:51] <jmcnaught> have you tried with an install image
that has non-free firmwares on it?
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758[06:10:53] <nine_milli> man this chatroom is boring
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760[06:11:13] <nine_milli> at least #linux has occasional trolls
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761[06:11:39] <jmcnaught> Wegg: this one for example?
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763[06:12:18] <Wegg> Well the only reason I'm kind of stuck
with using this iso is that it has crunchbang linux pre-configured.
With openbox etc. It's what I have been using for YEARS. All
the keyboard shortcuts etc. And they don't make crunchbang any
more. . . but it's 99.99% Debian so it SHOULD work.
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765[06:12:32] <Wegg> It uses the debian repositories, just
configured slightly different.
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767[06:13:33] <jmcnaught> crunchbang is not supported here,
please try with an official Debian installer image
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768[06:14:21] <jmcnaught> then you can do the 0.01% non-Debian
stuff after you have a working install ☺
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772[06:14:54] <Wegg> Yea I thought of going that rout.
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774[06:15:27] <Wegg> Ooo I did get rid of the sprom error.
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776[06:15:31] <nine_milli> pingfloyd be my #linux proxy
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777[06:17:05] <jmcnaught> instead of keeping all your
customizations in a custom installer for an obsolete distro, you
could look at alternatives like keeping your ~/.$DOTFILES in git
repos, perhaps managed with GNU stow, or make an Ansible playbook
that sets all that stuff up for you (good learning exercise and
Ansible is easy if you already know how to use ssh)
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778[06:17:31] <jmcnaught> (not that you'd use ssh for
localhost necessarily…)
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779[06:18:58] <Wegg> I'm on my #! install right now and it
ONLY has debian repositories. I took out anything else. So you are
saying I can install vanilla Debian and then move over all these
configurations?
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781[06:19:37] <jmcnaught> if you're talking about config
files in /etc and your user's home directory, then yes
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782[06:20:37] <jmcnaught> if you mean some esoteric crunchbang
package or unique config system that #debian knows nothing about, my
advice is to look for alternatives so you're not in this
position of needing to use that obsolete ISO anymore
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783[06:21:15] <Wegg> does anyone make/support an openbox/debian
distribution?
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784[06:21:30] <jmcnaught> ,v openbox
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785[06:21:32] <judd> Package: openbox on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.5.0-7; wheezy-backports: 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.5.2-8+deb8u1;
sid: 3.6.1-4; stretch: 3.6.1-4
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786[06:21:47] <jmcnaught> you don't need an openbox distro,
just install openbox in Debian
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787[06:22:20] <Wegg> tried that. installed openbox, logged out
of gnome and it wasn't even listed as an option to boot into
like the guides said. Just Gnome and Gnome classic.
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788[06:23:32] <jmcnaught> one way of looking at it is Debian has
this massive network of volunteers that fix bugs, close security
vulnerabilities etc. Forks of Debian are usually run and maintained
by a much smaller group of people. Yes they are able to absorb most
of the work done by Debian, but can you be assured that they're
able to keep up with it all?
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791[06:24:07] <Wegg> yea. . . that's why I'm back
trying this rout
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792[06:24:42] <jmcnaught> getting openbox as an option on the
login screen is in the category of stuff that you can fix if Debian
boots properly
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795[06:25:41] <Wegg> well I might just give that a shot. Thank
you for your help jmcnaught
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796[06:25:49] <jmcnaught> no problem, good luck
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797[06:27:01] <jmcnaught> you won't regret it, there's
a false impression out there that Debian is more difficult than many
of its forks, but personally I find it easiest overall
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799[06:29:40] <Wegg> I really wish the crunchbang developers had
worked more closely with the Debian developers and made it more of
an official re-mix.
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801[06:30:31] <TinkerTiger> Wait, what? Debian difficult? Ha!
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804[06:32:06] <Wegg> I think it's this nouveau. It has no
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805[06:32:18] <GumShoe_> I'm trying to enable ipv4 on a
beaglebone blue from bash not the gui. I'm sshed in over usb. I
have wifi connected but only ipv6.
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806[06:32:49] <jmcnaught> GumShoe_: how is wifi configured?
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807[06:33:13] <GumShoe_> Not sure what you're asking
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809[06:33:29] <GumShoe_> ifconfig show wlan0 up but only with
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810[06:33:41] <jmcnaught> what did you do to make wifi work?
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811[06:33:49] <GumShoe_> connmanctl
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813[06:35:09] <Neurorebel> hi, im trying to make a custom
dictionary for spelling
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814[06:35:26] <Neurorebel> and i decided to come here before
ruining it
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815[06:35:44] <Neurorebel> where should I put the wordlist?
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817[06:36:14] <Neurorebel> should i rename it as
/usr/shatre/words?
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818[06:36:36] <Neurorebel> or only i should copy it to
/usr/share/dict ?
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819[06:36:46] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: you should not overwrite
files provided by packages
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820[06:36:50] <pingfloyd> lol, before ruining it
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821[06:36:51] <Neurorebel> should i rename it as
/usr/share/dict/words?
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823[06:37:06] <Wegg> Neurorebel: I think you can add custom
words/spelling to Aspell
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824[06:37:23] <Neurorebel> i also tryied some of that
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825[06:37:35] <Neurorebel> but aspell as i see it is totally
dead
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826[06:37:50] <pingfloyd> what's a spellchecker without
some ruined words in it?
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827[06:38:33] <Neurorebel> echo bullet|aspell list=bullet
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828[06:38:48] <Neurorebel> agree pingfloyd
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829[06:39:17] <Neurorebel> really i dont have a clear idea of
how spell checking works
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830[06:39:29] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: first I would try putting
the new list in /usr/local/share/dict
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831[06:39:36] <Neurorebel> for example im now using xchat
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832[06:39:55] <jmcnaught> that's what /usr/local is for,
local versions (not from packages) of files that belong in /usr
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834[06:40:02] <Neurorebel> why not usr/share/dict ?
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837[06:40:40] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: /usr should only be
written to by packages, not the user/system admin. /usr/local is
provided for this
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838[06:41:00] <Neurorebel> then any file that I copy on
usr/share/local/dict and usr/share/dict is used?
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841[06:41:26] <Neurorebel> then is just a convention
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842[06:41:33] <jmcnaught> that's what should happen, and
why i said you should try putting it in /usr/local first
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843[06:41:57] <Neurorebel> no that i know i will respect it
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844[06:42:03] <jmcnaught> disobey the convention, and apt/dpkg
may very well overwrite your file
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845[06:42:13] <Neurorebel> also i fear that aspell is dead
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846[06:42:40] <jmcnaught> i don't know for sure that aspell
follows that convention, you could check in /usr/share/doc/aspell
especially the README.Debian if there is one
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847[06:42:57] <jmcnaught> but it's definitely what i would
try first
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848[06:43:00] <Neurorebel> im wrong but its using only spanish
dictionary
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849[06:43:29] <Neurorebel> aspell helthy living
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850[06:43:59] <Neurorebel> i was wrong but i still dont know how
to switch between languages
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851[06:44:43] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel:
/usr/share/dict/README.select-wordlist mentions a script
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852[06:45:35] <Neurorebel> can I make a multilingual dictionary?
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854[06:45:50] <Neurorebel> surely i can
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855[06:46:27] <Neurorebel> jmcnaught, then i only can switch on
the global?
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857[06:46:52] <Wegg> jmcnaught: what is the official way of
making a stretch net-install usb stick?
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858[06:46:55] <jmcnaught> why would it make sense to have
multiple defaults globally?
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859[06:46:55] <Neurorebel> lets say that i want that this
program stop checking for spanish words
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860[06:47:08] <Wegg> Cause what I just tried didn't work
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861[06:47:46] <jmcnaught> Wegg: cp debian.iso /dev/$USB_DEVICE
where $USB_DEVICE will be sdh or something, but not sdh1 (target the
device, not a partition)
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862[06:47:53] <Neurorebel> i only want to switch languages that
is the truth as im bilingual
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863[06:48:41] <jmcnaught> Wegg:
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865[06:49:36] <Wegg> thank you jmcnaught
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866[06:49:42] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: i suggest reading the
aspell man page to find options to select the dictionary you want,
and then making aliases
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868[06:50:47] <Neurorebel> then aspell is doing the check for
xchat?
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869[06:51:02] <Neurorebel> does firefox use another method?
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870[06:51:06] <jmcnaught> oh this is about xchat?
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871[06:51:13] <Neurorebel> is it
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872[06:51:17] <Neurorebel> it is
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873[06:51:21] <jmcnaught> firefox has its own spellcheck
dictionaries
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874[06:51:27] <Neurorebel> more or less
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875[06:51:27] <uxfi> Xchat is good
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876[06:51:32] <Neurorebel> ahhh
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877[06:51:41] <Neurorebel> that clears some part
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878[06:51:49] <Neurorebel> xchat uses aspell?
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879[06:52:02] <jmcnaught> i don't know what xchat uses, i
use irssi
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880[06:52:11] <uxfi> yeah
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881[06:52:32] <Neurorebel> talked the "i dont use X"
man...
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882[06:52:56] <Neurorebel> then the thing is clearified
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884[06:54:41] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: in firefox there is a
dictionaries tab on about:addons
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885[06:55:26] <Neurorebel> i will fix that later
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886[06:55:27] <jmcnaught> and firefox-esr depends on
libhunspell-1.4-0
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887[06:55:37] <Neurorebel> im concerned about aspell now
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888[06:55:57] <Neurorebel> because it seems to use a separate
dictionary folder
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889[06:56:04] <Neurorebel> "/usr/share/aspell"
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890[06:56:55] <Neurorebel> what exactly is there?
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891[06:57:35] <jmcnaught> i don't know you're probably
going to have to spend some time reading the aspell documentation
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892[06:57:43] <Neurorebel> and if it uses /usr/share/aspell what
is /usr/share/dict for?
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893[06:58:05] <Neurorebel> that is what confused me
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895[06:58:30] <Neurorebel> what a lot iof time!
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896[06:58:54] <Neurorebel> im about to desist
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899[07:00:17] <Neurorebel> there is also ispell
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900[07:00:31] <Neurorebel> and it is installed in my system too
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901[07:01:00] <Neurorebel> a single dictionary file for the
entire sys, awsome!
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902[07:01:31] <jmcnaught> yeah there are a few, aspell might not
use /usr/share/dict/words at all
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903[07:03:25] <Neurorebel> then for what are those for??
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904[07:03:37] <Neurorebel> just for brutforcing?
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905[07:04:00] <jmcnaught> or an the anagram generator
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907[07:05:37] <jmcnaught> probably lots of programs expect a
simple list of words available there, but spellcheckers use their
own dictionary files that have more metadata
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914[07:08:42] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I follow the instructions to
make a bootable flash drive, I put it into my system, I boot into
that flash drive and all i get is a blinky prompt
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917[07:09:26] <Wegg> I have always just used UNetbootin in the
past but that doesn't even work with stretch net install iso
files
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918[07:09:40] <jmcnaught> !unetbootin
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919[07:09:40] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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922[07:12:24] <pingfloyd> more like unotbootin
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923[07:12:40] <TinkerTiger> I had trouble with it.
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924[07:12:57] <pingfloyd> unetbootin is pretty much shit, so
don't feel bad
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925[07:13:07] * Wegg rubs his temples
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926[07:13:58] <TinkerTiger> I don't feel anything. I just
took my night-time drugs. *crash* ;)
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930[07:14:26] <pingfloyd> Wegg: you should just copy the image
right to the usb stick
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931[07:14:33] <jmcnaught> Wegg: can you show us exactly the
command you used to copy the the image?
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933[07:15:37] <Wegg> cp debian-stretch-DI-rc4-amd64-netinst.iso
/dev/sdd1
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934[07:15:49] <pingfloyd> Wegg: copy it to the device, not its
partition
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935[07:15:56] <pingfloyd> so you'd want /dev/sdd instead in
your case
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936[07:15:58] <jmcnaught> Wegg: you copied it to a partition on
the device, the instructions (including mine) are to copy it to the
device
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937[07:15:58] <Neurorebel> funny they were discussing the same
thing the last time that i came here
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940[07:16:23] <jmcnaught> debian installer images are already
partitioned
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941[07:16:24] <Neurorebel> seems that usb booting is not as in
the past
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942[07:16:32] <pingfloyd> Neurorebel: issues are weird like that
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943[07:16:47] <Neurorebel> what is accented english??
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944[07:16:51] <pingfloyd> Neurorebel: like you'll be
talking about some issue and someone pops in with the same issue
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945[07:17:06] <Neurorebel> pingfloyd, always are the same
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946[07:17:16] <Neurorebel> com,puters are so repetitive...
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948[07:17:43] <Neurorebel> still dont heppened to me
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950[07:17:58] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: presumably its a version
of the english dictionary that includes accents on words borrowed
from other languages, like déja vu
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951[07:18:14] <Neurorebel> ahh
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952[07:18:42] <Wegg> woo hoo! Debian GNU/Linux installer boot
menu! (phew)
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953[07:18:44] <Neurorebel> sinmce im a foreign speaker my
comprehension of enmglish grammatic uis limited
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954[07:18:47] <Wegg> and now the fun begins.
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955[07:19:09] <Neurorebel> a blue screen somewhere
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956[07:19:14] <Neurorebel> with options
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961[07:21:20] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: it's the same for a
lot of native English speakers actually :P
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962[07:21:55] <GumShoe_> @jmcnaught I got it working like this:
connmanctl config wifi_redacted_managed_psk --ipv4 dhcp 192.168.1.1
192.168.1.1
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963[07:21:56] <Neurorebel> since you pronounce a "ai"
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964[07:22:27] <jmcnaught> GumShoe_: cool
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965[07:22:27] <Neurorebel> dont cheat that are two letters not
one
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966[07:22:38] <Neurorebel> "ou"
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967[07:23:13] <Neurorebel> the opopssite goes with french
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969[07:23:31] <Neurorebel> "eau"
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970[07:24:14] <uxfi> over 9000000
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971[07:24:15] <uxfi> heh
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972[07:24:24] <uxfi> hi Neurorebel sir
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973[07:24:49] <Neurorebel> hi uxfi
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979[07:30:52] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I'm at the software
selection screen where it asks me to install a desktop environment.
Openbox is not one of the options. Which one should I just go with
for now? Or should I just stick with command line and install
openbox that way so there is no conflict?
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982[07:31:59] <Wegg> I guess "Debian desktop
environment" is the default.
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983[07:32:06] <jmcnaught> Wegg: the default is GNOME
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984[07:32:43] <jmcnaught> you don't need to install one
now, you can install openbox and stuff from the CLI after first
boot. But it doesn't hurt to have one installed as a backup, or
to use while you get openbox set up
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985[07:32:53] <jmcnaught> lxde and xfce are both pretty
lightweight
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986[07:33:43] <mutante> Wegg: personally, i would do the default
, GNOME. and you can always change it later to about a dozen
different ones. another one i like is Enlightenment DR17
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988[07:34:36] <jmcnaught> GNOME is great and if the computer is
new you shouldn't worry about resource usage
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990[07:34:53] <jmcnaught> (not that it's actually very
heavy)
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992[07:38:18] <Wegg> the muscle memory I have for right
click-terminal or right click/graphics Blender etc. . . so hard to
switch to something different.
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994[07:38:45] <jmcnaught> you can have openbox on Debian,
it's just not popular enough to make it into the installer menu
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995[07:38:54] <Wegg> So many new things I want to learn. . . a
whole new way of getting to my programs is not one of them.
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996[07:39:00] * Wegg nods
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997[07:39:05] <Wegg> that's what I'm hoping
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998[07:39:22] <Neurorebel> simple bash question, how is the
quickest way of convert returns to spaces?
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999[07:39:43] <TinkerTiger> Peace.
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1001[07:40:04] <Neurorebel> I need a list of wors sepated byt
spaces and i have it separated by endlines
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1003[07:40:54] <bazhang> try #bash
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1004[07:40:56] <Neurorebel> done
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1005[07:41:03] <Neurorebel> $(cat)
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1013[07:46:02] <Neurorebel> excellent the file
"/usr/share/aspell/es.dat" can not be opened for reading.
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1014[07:46:24] <Wegg> jmcnaught: after all that. . . still the
same errors when debian tries to start.
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1015[07:46:56] <Neurorebel> ls: no se puede acceder a
/usr/share/aspell/*.dat: No existe el fichero o el directorio
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1016[07:47:01] <Wegg> just in a different typefont
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1017[07:47:20] <Neurorebel> "cannot access" "does
not exist"
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1018[07:47:23] <jmcnaught> Wegg: can you get to any sort of a
login?
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1019[07:48:09] <jmcnaught> if you can log into the system after
first boot, then we just solve one problem at a time
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1020[07:48:10] <Wegg> doesn't look like it.
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1022[07:48:34] <markyk> hello friends
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1023[07:49:11] <markyk> #flood
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1024[07:49:12] <Wegg> trying recovery
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1025[07:49:17] <sonOfRa> Neurorebel: I think this is a globbing
failure. That error says it's trying to open the file *.dat
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1026[07:49:25] <sonOfRa> Not all files that have the .dat
extension
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1028[07:49:37] <Neurorebel> no not that
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1029[07:49:53] <markyk> hello i have a problem with linux
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1030[07:49:54] <Neurorebel> it says that is tyrying to open a
file that dont exist
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1031[07:50:20] <Neurorebel> the latter was the result of the ls
/././*.dat
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1033[07:51:01] <Neurorebel> there isn any .dat file in that
folder
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1035[07:51:12] <markyk> anyone know hot to download pidgin on
linux
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1036[07:51:15] <Neurorebel> and it searches for es.dat
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1037[07:51:16] <markyk> how*
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1038[07:51:33] <Wegg> jmcnaught: "A start job is running for
network ... Synchronization (2min /3 min)
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1039[07:51:34] <mutante> markyk: apt-get install pidgin
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1041[07:51:49] <markyk> thanks brother
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1042[07:51:55] <jmcnaught> Wegg: let it finish?
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1043[07:52:11] <mutante> markyk: no problem, just make sure to
run as root or use "sudo" in front of it
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1044[07:52:30] <Wegg> another one just starts. This time (3min /4
min)
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1047[07:53:28] <jmcnaught> what is the other one? give it a
chance to error out if that is what's going to happen
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1048[07:53:31] <Wegg> if I alt-f3 it does it in that terminal
too.
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1049[07:53:54] <Wegg> just starts over again.
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1050[07:54:06] <jmcnaught> what starts over again?
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1053[07:54:33] <Wegg> "A job is runninf for network ...e
Synchronization (48s / 1min 30s)
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1054[07:54:40] <markyk> mutante: thanks, it has worked.
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1055[07:54:48] <mutante> markyk: :) welcome
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1056[07:54:51] <jmcnaught> Wegg: take a look at
replaced-url
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1058[07:55:58] <Wegg> I'd need terminal access for that
jmcnaught
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1059[07:56:15] <jmcnaught> Wegg: no these are boot options you do
in the GRUB menu
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1061[07:56:41] <Wegg> oh
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1062[07:57:11] <markyk> mutante: after running the apt-get pidgin
command, the downloaded process has finished but where will i be
able to launch this program from?
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1064[07:59:32] <jmcnaught> markyk: if you use a desktop
environment then Pidgin should be in a menu. Also most programs like
Pidgin get installed to /usr/bin which is on your $PATH so you can
probably just run "pidgin" from the command line
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1073[08:07:39] <Wegg> jmcnaught: this got way past simple
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1080[08:08:25] <markyk> jmcnaught: Ive run the apt-get install
pidgin command which produces this output----------- Reading package
lists... Done
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1081[08:08:25] <markyk> Building dependency tree
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1082[08:08:25] <markyk> Reading state information... Done
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1083[08:08:25] <markyk> The following additional packages will be
installed:
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1086[08:08:27] <Wegg> I'm at the minimal BASH-like line
editing thing in GNU Grub but. . . I haven't got the foggiest
idea what these Debugging commands are or what they do etc.
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1088[08:09:35] <jmcnaught> Wegg: try solution #3 from that page,
add "systemd.unit=rescue.target" (or just "1")
to the kernel command line (it should start with linux, and has the
word quiet in it)
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1092[08:10:46] <jmcnaught> that should get you into a basic boot.
if it doesn't, you can reboot and add
"systemd.unit=debug-shell.service" to that same line,
which opens a root shell on tty9 (alt-f9) early in the boot, so you
can run commands and troubleshoot from there
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1094[08:11:50] <Aebian> not sure what he is trying to archieve
but he could also edit the boot parameter before booting with E and
then append on the line starting with linux this: init=/bin/bash
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1095[08:11:58] <Aebian> and then he gets a root shell
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1099[08:12:08] <Wegg> Ok I see linux /boot/vmlinuz-(stuff) quiet
do I add that to the line above that stuff?
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1100[08:12:23] <Aebian> no directly at the end of it
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1102[08:12:33] <Wegg> after it says quiet
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1103[08:12:54] <Aebian> then just append it. It needs to be in
the same line
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1104[08:13:11] <Aebian> just like you would attach a word to a
sentence to make it more clear
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1105[08:13:13] <jelly> also, if you remove the "quiet"
word, that will give you more info from the kernel
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1111[08:14:46] <Wegg> ok. . .quiet removed
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1112[08:14:48] <Wegg> F10 to boot
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1113[08:14:52] <Wegg> here goes nothing
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1114[08:15:27] <markyk> i am receiving errors when trying to
install pidgin and run it
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1118[08:16:07] <jmcnaught> markyk: please show us the errors and
the commands you've tried in a paste on
replaced-url
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1119[08:16:14] <Wegg> just a wall of text
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1133[08:19:34] <Wegg>
replaced-url
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1134[08:20:03] <Wegg> I don't think Debian is compatible
with this motherboard/CPU combo
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1139[08:21:27] <jmcnaught> is that with quiet removed?
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1142[08:21:43] <Wegg> yes
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1150[08:23:50] <Wegg> I'll try it with quiet still on
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1151[08:24:25] <jmcnaught> removing quiet might be too much
information all at once, just try to getting a working shell either
using rescue.target or debug-shell.service
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replaced-url
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1163[08:31:14] <Wegg> made a video. Uploading
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1166[08:31:56] <Wegg> so weird that ubuntu installs without
issue.
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1167[08:31:57] <Wegg> :-(
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1170[08:32:53] <Wegg>
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1174[08:34:15] <Neurorebel> it took a while but it worked
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1176[08:34:57] <Neurorebel> now i have only the words propper of
the slang but not the rest of them
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1178[08:35:21] <Neurorebel> aspell only knows bad words
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1179[08:36:05] <Wegg> naughty aspell
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1181[08:37:08] <Neurorebel> what are the files that ls list in
red?
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1185[08:38:37] <Neurorebel> what are the files that ls lists in
red?
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1186[08:39:36] <jmcnaught> usually archives and compressed files
are red in ls
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1187[08:39:48] <Neurorebel> thanks
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1188[08:39:54] <Wegg> Well I do believe I tried everything I
could. . . might try Manjaro. . . :-(
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1189[08:39:56] <Neurorebel> newbie question
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1192[08:40:46] <jmcnaught> Wegg: it's likely that there are
other kernel boot parameters that you can use to overcome hardware
issues, but you will need to isolate the issue you need to solve.
Sorry I was not able to view your video
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1195[08:42:09] <Wegg> not able to vew it technictally? An error
or something? Or sorry because you can't spend the time on
that. (not offended either way)
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1197[08:42:20] <Wegg> You have been an awesome help.
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1199[08:42:45] <jmcnaught> oh it's just i'm a weirdo
who uses umatrix and noscript and that URL was just a mess of
requests to unblock so i gave up
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1203[08:43:12] <jmcnaught> and it's a group effort ☺
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1204[08:43:39] <Wegg> oh I can solve that.
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1205[08:43:44] <Wegg> gimme a tick
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1211[08:46:41] <rdz> hey all. what's better with 6 disk:
RAID-5 with 1 Spare, or RAID-6 with 0 Spare?
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1212[08:47:05] <rdz> from what I understaand, both provide the
same mount of usable storage
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1213[08:47:17] <Wegg>
replaced-url
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1218[08:49:12] <GNU\colossus> rdz, RAID6 is clearly superior
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1219[08:49:20] <GNU\colossus> spares are (mostly) a waste of
spindles
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1220[08:49:47] <rdz> GNU\colossus, thanks. so you say RAID-6 is
also faster than RAID-5?
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1221[08:49:53] <jmcnaught> Wegg: cool thanks. Have you tried web
searching for "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup" ?
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1223[08:50:28] <GNU\colossus> rdz, it generally isn't, but
the benefits of RAID6 outweigh its drawbacks.
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1224[08:50:48] <Wegg> jmcnaught: yes I did. I can disable the
reporting of it.
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1225[08:50:55] <Wegg> from Grub
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1227[08:51:17] <Wegg> But. . . I never did get a bash prompt no
matter how long I waited so I'm not sure that would help.
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1232[08:53:13] <rdz> GNU\colossus, thanks.. will read some more
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1238[08:57:26] <jmcnaught> Wegg: what do you mean disable
reporting of it in grub? it's a lot easier to discuss this
stuff literally, like "i used noapic as a boot option" for
example (not suggesing use of noapic)
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1243[08:59:21] <Wegg> I just read that you could disable the
reporting. So in my research it looks like if you use
"auto" in the bios for autoclocking it can give this
error. I have manually set the clock to a stable setting and am
trying again.
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1255[09:10:57] <Wegg> nope. Still goes crazy with all the
auto-clock stuff turned off
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1257[09:12:02] <Wegg> have to throw in the towel. Sorry Debian.
:-(
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1259[09:17:40] <Aebian> Wegg: whats your initial problem?
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1262[09:19:50] <Wegg> Aebian: I can't run Debian. And I
can't get to a command prompt to de-bug it.
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1263[09:20:01] <Wegg> Tried Jessie and Stretch
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1268[09:21:43] <jelly> Wegg: that can happen when your hardware
is too new
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1270[09:22:14] <jelly> Wegg: takes time for linux to support
things. which cpu model is it
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1271[09:22:16] <Wegg> This motherboard is from 2014
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1272[09:22:18] <Zeeps_> Hi. I'm trying to get my server to
send emails for wordpress. currently is sends as name@local.domain .
How do I fix it so that it sends as name@mydomain.com ?
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1275[09:22:35] <Wegg> uhh. . . lemme look.
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1276[09:22:49] <Wegg> i7-5960X
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1277[09:22:58] <Zeeps_> Wegg: cat /proc/cpuinfo
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1278[09:23:02] <Zeeps_> nice cpu
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1279[09:23:05] <jelly> that's not very new or unusual,
either
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1280[09:24:14] <jelly> Wegg: how old is your bios/uefi firmware,
did you ever upgrade it
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1284[09:24:32] <jelly> firmware updates sometimes fix things
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1285[09:24:36] <Wegg> I just updated it
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1286[09:24:42] <jelly> good
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1287[09:25:06] <jelly> then it appears you've done due
diligence
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1288[09:25:40] <Wegg> Yea I gave it a shot
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1289[09:26:04] <Wegg> Ubuntu and Mint both work without issue
which is so frustrating.
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1290[09:26:20] <jelly> which ubuntu release?
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1293[09:27:15] <Wegg> dunno. 17dot whatever. I'm not up on
Ubuntu names
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1294[09:27:21] <jmcnaught> Wegg: if you still want to try with
Debian than I recommended looking for "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft
lockup" and checking to see what troubleshooting steps and
solutions others tried (you can discuss them here before you try)
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1295[09:27:21] <Wegg> Just tried it on a whim.
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1296[09:27:43] <jelly> probably uses a later kernel than stretch
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1297[09:28:06] <Zeeps_> any one that can help me with sendmail
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1299[09:28:33] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I tracked that error down to
something to do with overclocking. So I disabled the
"auto" overclocking in the bios and that speficic error
stopped showing up but the others were all still there and it never
let me get to a bash prompt.
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1300[09:28:49] <Wegg> jelly: I guess I could try Sid. . .
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1301[09:28:57] <jmcnaught> Zeeps_: if you mean sendmail the MTA
and selecting an alternative is still an option, than look at
Postfix or Exim4 instead
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1302[09:29:01] <jelly> soft lockup is a symptom often seen in
many different situations
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1307[09:30:38] <Wegg> You guys generally don't help people
if they go to Sid though do you.
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1308[09:30:40] <jelly> Wegg: which has pretty much the same
versions of packages as stretch right now
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1309[09:30:46] <Wegg> oh
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1310[09:31:28] <jmcnaught> some people here will help with sid,
but there's a channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net that's
dedicated to it
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1312[09:31:38] <coke> Zeeps_: with wordpresses tendenzy to get
taken over i would probably not let it send mail directly through my
smtp server
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1313[09:31:39] <jelly> you could boot ubuntu live, mount debian,
chroot into it and try a newer kernel (eg. from experimental), see
if there's any change
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1314[09:31:52] <jelly> ,kernels
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1315[09:31:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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1318[09:32:40] <jelly> there's also nvidia firmware missing,
but that probably isn't a reason for huge lockup
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1319[09:32:51] <jmcnaught> Zeeps_: oh i missed your earlier
messages about wordpress. What does /etc/mailname say in it? Also
did you install the sendmail package?
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1321[09:33:06] <jmcnaught> (don't install sendmail if you
haven't, i'm just asking)
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1322[09:34:57] <Wegg> OOoo liveCD Mandjero just locked up. task
systemd-udevd:383 blocked for more than 120 seconds
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1323[09:35:02] <Wegg> so it isn't just Debian
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1324[09:36:05] <jelly> Wegg: if you've messed with
overclocking you might try resetting bios to default or safe
settings
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1329[09:37:32] <jelly> otherwise this all might just be hardware
instability
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1341[09:43:22] <Wegg> nope. still going nuts.
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1342[09:43:24] <Wegg> :-(
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1347[09:45:09] <jmcnaught> Wegg: did you have linux running on
this computer before, but now you added an NVMe?
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1349[09:46:05] <Wegg> No I had ubuntu running on NVMe
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1351[09:47:02] <Wegg> I'm making an ubuntu USB stick right
now just to be sure. If that can't install/run then this is a
hardware issue and I have wasted everyone's time. :-(
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1357[09:48:07] <jmcnaught> you said it was from 2014, does that
mean that ubuntu 14.xx or 16.xx was previously working on it, or
have you only ever used the ubuntu release from this year?
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1358[09:49:08] <Wegg> Specifically it was
ubuntu-gnome-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso
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1361[09:49:40] <Wegg> The motherboard is from 2014 but it is new
to me. The guy I purchased this system from was a Windows user.
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1362[09:49:44] <jmcnaught> if you find that a kernel newer than
4.9 works and are really committed, then you could try to compile a
kernel package, drop to a shell while in the installer, and install
it before first boot
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1363[09:50:04] <mirazi_heket> could you take a look please?
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1364[09:50:14] <mirazi_heket> error with debconf-set-selections
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1369[09:51:54] <babilen> mirazi_heket: You might want to escape
strings
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1374[09:52:59] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: it's strange that
the errors are reported on lines 145, 146 when my
/usr/bin/debconf-set-selections is 144 lines long
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1376[09:53:52] <jmcnaught> is it possible that you accidentally
wrote to the script while trying to pipe to it or something?
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1377[09:54:52] <mirazi_heket> hmmm not really, will use escape
strings
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1378[09:55:26] <jelly> which debian release is this, mirazi_heket
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1380[09:55:43] <mirazi_heket> 8.8
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1384[09:57:20] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: here is
/usr/bin/debconf-set-selections from my jessie system if you want to
compare yours:
replaced-url
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1385[09:57:24] <mirazi_heket> escape strings didnt helped
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1387[09:58:46] <babilen> What exactly did you do now?
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1389[10:00:08] <mirazi_heket> babilen:
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1391[10:01:04] <babilen> mirazi_heket: I was referring to the
actual string (namely
"shared/accepted-oracle-license-v1-1"). You might also
have to escape / in there.
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1392[10:01:53] <mirazi_heket> i was using this as reference:
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1396[10:04:13] <mirazi_heket> specifically comment with 4 points
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1398[10:04:21] <mirazi_heket> without "RUN" of course
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1400[10:04:43] <mirazi_heket> sorry, direct link now:
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1402[10:05:30] <Wegg> jmcnaught: Ubuntu installed and is running
perfectly. Benchmarking now.
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1404[10:06:15] <dionysus69> hello
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1408[10:06:58] <dionysus69> I have cloned working debian
installation to usb along with efi partition. but it doesn't
boot, it is as if uefi bootloader doesnt even detect any efi
partition on the usb, what am I missing?
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1409[10:07:01] <jmcnaught> Wegg: i don't know what kernel
17.04 has but it's probably newer than stretch. You should be
able to run Debian on it with a newer kernel. If you don't feel
up to the tasks i outlined above, you could try Debian again after
stretch has been released and there are newer kernels in
stretch-backports
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1410[10:07:54] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: did you check the
contents of /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections?
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1411[10:07:55] <Wegg> yea might do jmcnaught.
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1412[10:07:58] <Wegg> thank you again.
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1413[10:08:01] <jmcnaught> cheers
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1429[10:25:37] <mirazi_heket> jmcnaught: will do
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1434[10:32:36] <jmcnaught> the sha256sum of that file on my
jessie system is
8085a988bb9850fd9a3405c8a1f8e643c197811f6edf53dfc5ad20ef85040224
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1672[11:04:34] <lg188> Hi, I'm having a problem with
automatically starting openvpn clients. I changed the
`AUTOSTART="all"` line /etc/default/openvpn but it still
just exists after launch
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1742[11:23:32] <lg188> I've just checked up on the wiki page
and it's been since 2012 since this method has been added....
Seems really out of date
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1747[11:26:02] <jmcnaught> lg188: put an openvpn conf file (eg
foo.conf) in /etc/openvpn, then use "systemctl enable
openvpn@foo"
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1749[11:27:09] <petn-randall> lg188: the openvpn.service exits
normally, AFAIR. you'll have a openvpn@<name>.service for
each config file.
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1770[11:37:06] <lg188> jmcnaught, petn-randall: apparently the
.conf part is important here
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1771[11:37:14] <lg188> i used ovpn
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1776[11:38:30] <jmcnaught> lg188: yeah look at
/lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service to see what it's doing,
look for the %i
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1787[11:42:04] <kms_> debian 8.8
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1788[11:42:16] <kms_> i cant play h264 on totem
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1790[11:42:31] <kms_> in vlc is ok
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1794[11:44:48] <coke> use vlc then?
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1796[11:45:01] <armin> can i easily temporarily disable
swap-space on a machine? i know i can do "swapoff -a", but
how would i find out how to properly re-enable that on any machine?
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1798[11:45:44] <kms_> i want totem
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1799[11:45:56] <kms_> in ubuntu totem is ok
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1800[11:46:28] <colo-work> armin, swapon -a (will rely on
/etc/fstab)
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1801[11:46:49] <colo-work> you can also set vm.swappiness to 0
temporarily
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1802[11:46:56] <colo-work> that should prevent (new) pageouts
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1803[11:47:12] <armin> colo-work: perfect, thank you.
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1804[11:47:27] <celyr> mhhhh
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1805[11:47:34] <celyr> it's not super clear to me how to use
deb.debian.org
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1806[11:47:36] <celyr> with stretch
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1807[11:48:04] <celyr> deb
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1808[11:48:07] <celyr> is this sufficient ?
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1810[11:52:00] <babilen> celyr: deb
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1811[11:52:11] <babilen> (install apt-transport-https for that or
use
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1814[11:52:53] <babilen> But yeah, "deb
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1816[11:53:19] <Frank___> Hello can I ask a mathematical question
in this irc :)?
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1818[11:53:50] <celyr> babilen, mmm thanks it did work
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1819[11:53:53] <gry> yes, in ##math or #debian-offtopic
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1820[11:54:08] <babilen> ##maths surely ;)
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1821[11:54:14] <gry> unless it is debian related, then ask here
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1823[11:54:39] <celyr> channel is ##math
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1825[11:55:05] <babilen> Yes, that is a better channel than
#debian
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1827[11:55:17] <gry> hey this chan is best on planet
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1828[11:55:38] <celyr> funny think if you query alis for math
aromatherapy is the second result
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1829[11:55:42] <celyr> thing*
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1836[12:01:02] <gry> then feed yourself
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1852[12:16:18] <Lynk> Does Debian support Kernel Livepatching?
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1858[12:22:23] <rudi_s> No.
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1862[12:24:17] <Lynk> But KLP becomes more and more important wih
more and more clouds etc
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1863[12:24:17] <Lynk> :(
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1866[12:25:43] <coke> cause it matters that you dont reboot one
of 1mil nodes?
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1868[12:26:10] <gry> lynk clouds do not exist. it's a fuzzy
word. use something else
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1870[12:26:22] <Lynk> coke: If one node gets a kernel update why
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1871[12:26:38] <LordCow> you can reboot them in stages
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1873[12:27:04] <Lynk> Yes, but I prevent reboots and shutsdown at
any time if it's possible
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1874[12:27:13] <Lynk> *shutdowns
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1875[12:27:29] <LordCow> but if it cloudy you can migrate around
the shutdowns
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1876[12:27:29] <coke> as part of the daily auto deploy of your
industry disrupting software ;)
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1877[12:27:56] <petn-randall> Lynk: The longer answer is because
no one worked on it to get it to work.
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1878[12:28:00] <coke> embrace the reboot
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1879[12:28:30] <pingfloyd> then everyone in computer land dies
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1880[12:29:01] <GG_Phyduck> Good day pepole
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1881[12:29:13] <petn-randall> I'd consider checking that a
server cleanly reboots every now and then good practice.
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1882[12:29:20] <LordCow> does anyone have experience with
zabbix-server-mysql? The web frontend only gives me the option to
use postgresql - i'm guessing because stretch pulls in mariadb
not mysql
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1883[12:29:40] <petn-randall> And anything that can't cope
with expected downtime should be a high-availability setup, anyway.
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1886[12:31:10] <Lynk> Other question: I'm missing the kernel
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1888[12:32:39] <gry> LordCow: ask #zabbix possibly, but get mysql
installed first. just install it from package manager after
installing zabbix-server-mysql
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1889[12:32:57] <LordCow> tx, there's no mysql in pkg manager
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1890[12:33:05] <LordCow> it's a cover for mariadb
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1897[12:37:25] <Lynk> Seriously?
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1898[12:37:29] <Lynk> But it's in Jessie?
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1904[12:39:10] <spacemn> didn't Oracle bought it for one
billion dollars and mariadb was the fork/answer?
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1915[12:40:27] <Lynk> spacemn: No, MySQL was ever owned by Oracle
(before Sun)
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1923[12:42:23] <Lynk> spacemn: 1994-2008: MySQL AB (Sweden - but
they had a partnership with Sun), then Sun bought it, at 2010 Sun
got bought out by Oracle. And today, it's all Oracle.
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1927[12:44:13] <Lynk> spacemn: So, MariaDB was a fork of the
MySQL Community Edition. Today, it's rewritten from scratch and
MySQL compatible
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1928[12:45:25] <LordCow> sanity prevails, i was just missing
mysql php extension, mariadb still does the trick
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1933[12:47:08] <clonewar> hello everyone. I am about to buy a
digital videocamera with a flash memory, my first one, and am
wondering if there are known or frequent troubles in uploading the
images to Debian
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1934[12:47:42] <clonewar> or anyway in general, what to look out
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1973[13:12:12] <glick> hi
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1974[13:12:37] <glick> does any one know how i can convert mp4
files to oggs?
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1975[13:12:47] <glick> i tried it on mac with vlc but the audio
was glitchy
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1987[13:15:40] <vlt> glick: ffmpeg should work
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1993[13:16:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1996[13:19:19] <glick> any idea when stretch will become the new
stable?
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2001[13:20:23] <spacemn> ETA in two weeks
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2002[13:21:25] <BluesKaj> on June 17th
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2003[13:22:00] <BluesKaj> pass your cursor over the MOTD for an
info dialog
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2008[13:22:55] <FinalX> oh, you mean the topic. ok.
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2013[13:25:19] <glick> is vlc the best ogg player?
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2018[13:27:13] <spacemn> glick: define best, I liked Audacious
before the QT migration
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2019[13:27:47] <BluesKaj> dunno, never used ogg ...wav is the
best quality and there's no reason to listen to lossy
compressed files anymore
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2025[13:30:24] <BluesKaj> glick, but VLC plays mostly anything
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2027[13:30:54] <x212> Consumers Can Have Good Jobs if They Spend
Their Money Wisely. Boycott/Protest/Revolt ANY Corporation Showing
ANY Inkling of Automation! Example: MCDonalds, Uber, Bank of America
...
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2028[13:30:54] <x212> ... Example: If People Will not Boycott
MCDonalds (On Forefront of Automation) (than if MCDonalds Fully
Automates, Majority of Others in The Sector Will Follow), in 30
years All Retail Sector Will Be Automated. Retail People Displaced
by Automation, Will Have Problem to Adjust to More Higher Tech
Economy ... Spread Agressivelly, Relentlessly
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2030[13:32:13] <x212> ...Consumers Can Have Good Jobs if They
Spend Their Money Wisely....
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2031[13:32:39] <BluesKaj> !spam | x212
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2032[13:32:56] <x212> just spreading message
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2034[13:33:32] <x212> but sure should not spam that long message
maybe
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2043[13:36:36] <at0m|c> x212: should not post anything not debian
related for sure.
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2045[13:37:50] <jelly> x212: use #debian-offtopic if you want to
rant about naked capitalism and lack of basic income in your
constituency... oh wait, you shouldn't rant in there, either
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2046[13:38:22] <jelly> this channel is for tech support.
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2054[13:43:09] <clonewar> hello everyone. I am about to buy a
digital videocamera with a flash memory, my first one, and am
wondering if there are known or frequent troubles in uploading the
files to Debian
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2055[13:43:57] <petn-randall> clonewar: If you can pop out the
card and put it into your card reader, it shouldn't be any
problem. For everything else it depends how the cam implements it.
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2056[13:44:12] <Dollar> I doubt it that there are any problems
consider download/uploading files on a Debian server. I assume it
depends how you do it.
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2057[13:44:49] <clonewar> Dollar, what do you mean by downloading
uploading on a Debian server?
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2058[13:45:24] <clonewar> petn-randall, no idea, I still have to
buy it and was looking for a trouble-less one. I'll go for one
with a removable SDcard, thanks
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2059[13:46:03] <Dollar> I mean that it depends how you do it, is
the camera auto uploading videos on the server or you will do it
manually with the SD card and reader.
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2060[13:46:29] <petn-randall> clonewar: Most others just
implement MTP, which works out of the box. But with the thousands of
devices on the market, you never know if some require some quirky
windows-only driver.
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2062[13:47:32] <clonewar> Dollar, I'd rather have all the
files locally, so no direct server uploading (even though who knows
what goes on when a camera has a wifi connection)
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2063[13:47:54] <clonewar> petn-randall, MTP should be fine too,
noted down, thanks!
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2065[13:48:33] <glick> hi can anyone recommend a good pdf viewer?
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2067[13:48:50] <petn-randall> glick: evince
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2068[13:49:10] <spacemn> I've read time ago about SD cards
with WiFi enabled, but never tried
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2069[13:49:13] <at0m|c> clonewar: and the video format the device
uses. is it raw? do you want to edit, crop, re-encode?
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2075[13:52:39] <glick> petn-randall: hah got a segmentation fault
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2079[13:53:49] <jelly> glick: okular? foxit reader?
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2081[13:54:02] <petn-randall> glick: just starting it? Or on that
PDF?
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2082[13:54:05] <clonewar> at0m|c, yes, I would like to do some
editing, maybe with openshot but I still have to do my homework
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2084[13:54:40] <clonewar> what kind of format/codec should I look
for?
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2091[13:59:35] <spacemn> not an expert, far from it, but I think
you should use raw for max quality, don't know if it's
still the same, but consumer cameras used to export in lossy formats
like jpg
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2102[14:05:28] <clonewar> spacemn, is that true for videos as
well? It's a videocamera, will not take much static images at
all.
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2103[14:07:29] <spacemn> clonewar: I never heard about raw video,
I suppose space requirements would be quite high
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2105[14:09:09] <FinalX> most camera's record in h264
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2106[14:09:17] <FinalX> MPEG2TS
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2108[14:10:21] <clonewar> well, I shouldn't have troubles
with it, common codecs
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2110[14:10:39] <clonewar> thanks!
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2111[14:10:59] <FinalX> Shooting in RAW is particularly important
when you might lose details in the shadows or when you're going
to do editing. In most cases JPG's are more than sufficient.
Most camera's will offer to shoot in RAW, process it and store
a JPG next to the RAW (NEF, CR2, DNG).
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2113[14:11:41] <FinalX> The Samsung Galaxy S7 phone for instance
has a dual-pixel camera (only newer Canons have it for now, DSLRs),
and will also allow you to shoot in RAW (DNG) _and_ JPG.
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2118[14:13:17] <clonewar> FinalX, I see, thanks. So far looks
like Debian doesn't have any trouble with videocameras,
that's refreshing
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2125[14:17:17] <stikn> hi guys! my system has been broken after
try upgrade from jessie to stretch
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2126[14:17:36] <stikn> the system did hung in dist-upgrade
process
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2128[14:17:46] <stikn> I've started with a live cd
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2129[14:18:13] <stikn> and I've mounted /dev/sda2 (which is
my /), proc, sys and dev
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2133[14:18:21] <stikn> could I repair the system with chroot?
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2134[14:18:22] <BluesKaj> stikn, did you update and upgrade your
jessie packages before doing dist?
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2137[14:18:58] <stikn> BluesKaj: of course :)
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2138[14:19:09] <BluesKaj> I have to ask
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2139[14:19:42] <BluesKaj> which gpu?
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2140[14:19:43] <stikn> BluesKaj: now I'm doing "dpkg
--configure -a"
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2141[14:19:45] <stikn> from chroot
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2142[14:19:50] <stikn> a Nvidia
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2143[14:19:59] <stikn> with proprietary drivers installed in
jessie
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2146[14:21:22] <BluesKaj> stikn, most likely the same nvidia
driver in stretch as jessie. at least in my case it is
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2147[14:21:29] <stikn> I could paste the output in pastedebian at
finish
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2152[14:23:02] <glick> anyone else running stretch cant change
their background wallpaper in mate?
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2154[14:25:17] <BluesKaj> stikn, you could try nomodeset in grub
in the quiet Grub line, but that's only if you can drop to a
vt/tty
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2155[14:25:37] <glick> i really wish i could change my mate
background wallpaper
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2156[14:25:50] <stikn> BluesKaj:
replaced-url
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2157[14:25:59] <stikn> I get this when I do apt-get upgrade form
chroot
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2158[14:26:01] <stikn> in livecd
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2161[14:27:54] <spacemn> stikn: I think you should use
dist-upgrade in this case
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2163[14:28:39] <stikn> SpaceAce:
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2164[14:28:42] <stikn> I've got issues with repos
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2165[14:29:01] <stikn> may be related with chroot
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2166[14:29:08] <BluesKaj> run apt -f install
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2167[14:29:42] <spacemn> stikn: start checking if you can ping an
external host, like 8.8.8.8
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2168[14:29:50] <stikn> yes, I can
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2169[14:30:19] <spacemn> stikn: can you ping an host like
google.com?
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2170[14:30:24] <stikn> of course .)
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2171[14:30:51] <stikn>
replaced-url
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2173[14:31:00] <spacemn> stikn: but you can't ping
ftp.es.debian.org?
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2176[14:31:13] <at0m|c> !jessie->stretch
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2177[14:31:35] <stikn> yes also I can
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2178[14:31:36] <stikn>
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2179[14:31:59] <at0m|c> dpkg: jessie->stretch
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2180[14:31:59] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch"
is still pre-release and that security support will not always be
timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch
release notes>
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2181[14:32:33] <stikn> BluesKaj: apt -f install seems has worked
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2183[14:32:49] <stikn> but still I cannot do dist-upgrade
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2184[14:32:58] <stikn> I've got issues with repos again
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2187[14:33:58] <stikn> spacemn: BluesKaj I cannot do apt-get
update either
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2188[14:34:19] <stikn>
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2189[14:34:21] <BluesKaj> sorry , i have to go ..bb later
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2190[14:34:45] <stikn> what do you think spacemn?
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2199[14:36:51] <dbarton> Hi. Is there anyone who might know if
Debian has VTI (virtual tunnel interface) support in Strongswan? :/
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2201[14:37:05] <spacemn> stikn: strange that you can ping it but
apt fail to resolve it
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2204[14:37:31] <stikn> I'm using a livecd and doing chroot
over the broken system
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2205[14:37:36] <stikn> is not the system itself
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2207[14:38:06] <spacemn> stikn: you can always create a list of
packages URI to download from a different PC with the --print-uri
option
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2208[14:38:26] <spacemn> stikn: yeah, strange nonetheless ^__^
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2209[14:38:31] <jelly> stikn: you have to manually edit
/etc/resolv.conf inside chroot to match what's outside
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2213[14:39:28] <jelly> or cp the one that works inside i guess
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2214[14:39:33] <stikn> jelly /etc/resolv.conf is it a symlink
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2215[14:39:38] <jelly> it might be
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2216[14:39:43] <stikn> which is pointing to outside
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2217[14:39:56] <jelly> no, it can't point outside
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2218[14:40:03] <jelly> chroot prevents that
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2219[14:40:30] <jelly> chroot literally changes the meaning of /
(root of the filesystem)
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2220[14:40:42] <spacemn> stikn: when in doubt, I usually put
"nameserver 8.8.8.8" in my resolv.conf and call it a day
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2221[14:40:50] <stikn> resolv.conf ->
/etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
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2224[14:42:15] <zetheroo> I have a system with 20GB of memory and
it's always pretty much maxed out with about 1GB of free memory
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2225[14:42:30] <zetheroo> what the best way to find out
what's using the memory up?
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2226[14:42:40] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: see linuxatemyram.com
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2227[14:42:41] <babilen> zetheroo: Start with "free -m"
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2228[14:43:30] <zetheroo> I tried with htop and it shows 18
entries for the same thing /usr/sbin/mysqld
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2229[14:43:38] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: see linuxatemyram.com
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2230[14:43:54] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: acknowledge that you
understood what it says there
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2233[14:44:13] <zetheroo> sleepyhead: roger that ;)
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2234[14:44:27] <babilen> zetheroo: So .. what's the output
of "free -m" ?
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2235[14:44:38] <babilen> (in an attempt to actually address the
issue)
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2236[14:44:42] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: if it turns out you have
plenty of free ram i'm going to be mighty pissed
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2237[14:44:52] <babilen> sleepyhead: Don't drink and IRC
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2238[14:44:57] <zetheroo>
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2239[14:44:59] <sleepyhead> babilen: i don't drink period
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2240[14:45:15] <sleepyhead> babilen: there you go. see i was
right
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2241[14:45:21] <sleepyhead> noobs
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2242[14:45:29] <babilen> zetheroo: As you can clearly see in the
second line most of the RAM is being utilised for caching block
device data
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2243[14:45:30] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: you have 18gb free
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2244[14:45:30] <petn-randall> I don't think a lot of people
drink period, anyway.
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2245[14:46:03] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: that's why i told you
to see that site
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2248[14:46:42] <zetheroo> Ok, well I have seen this before and
basically the theory is that it's cached and if something comes
along that needs some memory then what's cached will be
released and made accessible to the new process ... only thing is
that this doesn't seem to actually happen.
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2250[14:46:56] <babilen> sleepyhead: This has nothing to do with
"noobs", but with addressing a question using actual data.
Your assumption that zetheroo was seeing high cache usage was
likely, but in no way supported by actual data
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2251[14:47:01] <zetheroo> The reason we have 20GB of memory on
this system is because of that
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2252[14:47:24] <sleepyhead> babilen: it was supported by
experience dealing with newbies. and the op is a noob not a newbie
cause he doesn't learn.
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2253[14:47:28] <petn-randall> sleepyhead: What babilen said. Also
please refrain from calling people names, we all started somewhere.
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2254[14:47:33] <babilen> What is the actual issue you are trying
to address? Please note that MySQL is using caching extensively.
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2256[14:47:51] <zetheroo> if I lower the memory the system runs
into all kinds of performance issues - so how can it be that that
18GB of cached memory is "free"?
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2260[14:48:18] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: well the performance issues
must be due to some other resource not ram
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2261[14:48:19] <petn-randall> zetheroo: System with cache tend to
run (sometimes *a lot*) faster.
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2262[14:48:20] <at0m|c> zetheroo: cache is considered free.
replaced-url
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2263[14:48:26] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: like disk i/o or CPU time
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2264[14:48:31] <sleepyhead> maybe even bandwidth
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2265[14:48:39] <babilen> zetheroo: I would guess that your MySQL
configuration (in particular InnoDB caches) are not in line with the
reduced memory footprint
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2266[14:48:50] <sleepyhead> at0m|c: he doesn't want to visit
that site. i pointed it out multiple times already.
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2267[14:49:02] <zetheroo> sleepyhead: if its got nothing to do
with memory how come adding more memory sorts out the performance
issues?
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2268[14:49:07] <petn-randall> zetheroo: It has to do with the
fact that files cached in RAM can be accessed about 10,000x faster
than from disk.
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2269[14:49:14] <bezaban> mysql defaults to 128mb cache iirc
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2271[14:49:48] <zetheroo> babilen: so mysqld config needs some
tweaking ..
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2272[14:49:50] <sleepyhead> bezaban: OS caches regardless
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2273[14:49:54] <babilen> Maybe it would help if we were to see
the actual MySQL configuration?
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2274[14:50:05] <bezaban> sleepyhead: yes, but that may not help
with mysql performance
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2275[14:50:07] <petn-randall> zetheroo: How small did you shrink
the RAM as the performance problems happened?
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2276[14:50:09] <bezaban> or will not. rather
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2277[14:50:12] <sleepyhead> bezaban: of course it will.
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2278[14:50:22] <babilen> zetheroo: It might, but please address:
What are the actual issues you are facing?
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2279[14:50:30] <bezaban> sleepyhead: there are absolutely cases
where you need to tweak the mysql cache
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2280[14:50:42] <zetheroo> what I don't get is when people
say that cached memory is 'free memory' ... it certainly
doesn't see to act like that
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2281[14:50:55] <zetheroo> what would you like to see?
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2282[14:51:13] <at0m|c> zetheroo: that site explains. i'm
not going to write it out here.
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2283[14:51:17] <bezaban> zetheroo: it is freed if it is needed.
read the site
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2286[14:51:47] <zetheroo>
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2288[14:52:05] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: optimizing mysql
configuration is a good idea. mysqltuner.pl (another site) is a good
resource
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2289[14:52:24] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: but i also suggest install
the sysstat package to collect performance data
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2290[14:52:39] <zetheroo> hmm ok
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2291[14:52:56] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: are you seeing high load?
high load can be due to disk i/o issues
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2292[14:53:12] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: post the output of `uptime`
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2293[14:53:21] <zetheroo> did you see the screenshot I posted?
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2295[14:53:27] <petn-randall> zetheroo: All that orange in the
memory bar is cache.
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2296[14:53:29] <zetheroo> the CPU is almost completely idle
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2298[14:53:49] <zetheroo> petn-randall: right
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2299[14:53:54] <jelly> zetheroo: description of actual
performance issues, output of "vmstat 1" before and when
it's happening, output of "iostat -mx 5" if you see
disk io contention (lots of wa (wait%) column in vmstat)
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2300[14:54:06] <petn-randall> zetheroo: this ^^^
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2301[14:54:28] <zetheroo> ok, well it's a productive system
so I can't really experiment of it :(
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2302[14:54:40] <jelly> keep the *stat commands running for a bit
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2306[14:54:57] <zetheroo> and I know from experience that jobs
fail on it if it's got less memory than what it's got now
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2307[14:55:06] <jelly> ah yes, "jobs fail"
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2308[14:55:06] <sleepyhead> is it normal to have so many mysql
processes running?
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2309[14:55:14] <sleepyhead> seems like they are taking up a lot
of cpu time
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2311[14:55:16] <jelly> zetheroo: WHICH JOBS
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2312[14:55:31] <jelly> zetheroo: what do they do? How do they
fail?
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2313[14:55:55] <zetheroo> jelly, sorry I don't have all that
info available now
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2315[14:56:13] <zetheroo> I was just wondering if I was right to
think that mysql was the culprit
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2316[14:56:27] <zetheroo> which it seems it is
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2317[14:56:33] <jelly> no, you don't have all the info to
draw any conclusion
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2318[14:56:55] <zetheroo> jelly, but isn't it whats using up
the memory?
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2319[14:57:20] <at0m|c> zetheroo: have you even read about cached
memory?
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2321[14:57:35] <at0m|c> zetheroo: 5 people suggested you do.
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2323[14:57:49] <zetheroo> yes, I have ... and at what point does
it help me?
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2327[14:58:06] <at0m|c> it could help you conclude it's not
a memory issue
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2329[14:59:06] <zetheroo> I mean if I want to give this system
10GB of memory ... but cannot because the performance is so abysmal
that jobs fail to conclude or run at all ... but then with 20GB of
memory it's all good ... seems to be a memory usage issue, and
cached memory not being freed as is needed ...
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2331[14:59:31] <jelly> zetheroo: it's hard to say without
more info
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2332[14:59:39] <teraflops> zetheroo: free memory is wasted memory
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2334[15:00:43] <evilQ> Hi, my debian boots, but cinnamon wont
load and seems like frozen after identifying myself... Any idea how
I can proceed to fix the issue?
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2335[15:00:47] <petn-randall> zetheroo: Your system has 18GB of
"free" (cache) memory. You're drawing the wrong
conclusions. You have to gather the info jelly asked for to debug
the issue. Anything else is discussing hypotheticals, it won't
get us anywhere.
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2336[15:00:50] <zetheroo> teraflops: not if it's free for
when you need it - like on a system where you have memory-intensive
jobs that run maybe once an hour for 10 minutes ... then you need
free memory
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2337[15:01:15] <zetheroo> and I keep hearing that if it's
cached it's 'free' ... right ...
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2338[15:01:19] <jelly> zetheroo: linux kernel does not work that
way
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2339[15:01:28] <petn-randall> zetheroo: Then the cache gets
dropped instantly and the memory allocated to the process.
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2340[15:01:46] <zetheroo> petn-randall: that is precisely what I
don't see happening
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2341[15:01:59] <zetheroo> but I guess I cannot test on this
system :P
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2342[15:02:12] <petn-randall> zetheroo: From which data do you
take this conclusion?
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2343[15:02:26] <jelly> from output of vmstat that he didn't
run
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2344[15:02:34] <petn-randall> zetheroo: ^^^
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2346[15:02:55] <zetheroo> well if it's instantly dropped and
allocated to the process one would think that the process would run
successfully ...
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2347[15:03:16] <jelly> don't think. Measure.
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2348[15:03:23] <zetheroo> jelly vmstat on the system
replaced-url
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2349[15:03:25] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: what process? does it
output an error message when it fails?
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2351[15:04:02] <petn-randall> zetheroo: That is not what jelly
asked for ...
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2352[15:04:04] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: if it was a memory issue
there'd be error messages from the kernel OOM killer.
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2354[15:04:33] <jelly> zetheroo: keep it running. Show a couple
dozen lines when everything works, and a couple dozen lines while
you're having issues
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2356[15:05:02] <zetheroo> jelly, I cannot make it have issues ...
it's productive :)
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2357[15:05:03] <jelly> zetheroo: a single line is useless (and
the first line is usually wrong)
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2358[15:05:11] <petn-randall> "vmstat" is not the same
as "vmstat 1". You want the latter.
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2359[15:05:12] <jelly> zetheroo: so you don't have issues?
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2361[15:05:17] <jelly> problem solved
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2362[15:05:20] <jelly> !next
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2363[15:05:21] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2364[15:05:28] <sleepyhead> jelly: what flavour are you?
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2366[15:05:46] <zetheroo> jelly: the issue is this system is
hogging 20 GB of memory from the host ... (PVE)
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2367[15:05:56] <petn-randall> ...
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2368[15:06:07] <jelly> zetheroo: so you DO have issues after all
then?
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2369[15:06:34] <jelly> zetheroo: schedule downtime, then
replicate the issues at that time.
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2371[15:06:44] <jelly> then show relevant info
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2375[15:07:17] <jelly> zetheroo: notice that you can take
relevant info for the baseline ("when things work") right
now
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2376[15:07:26] <zetheroo> if I can schedule downtime it would be
during a time when no jobs are required to run ... hence no jobs
will be running anyhow
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2379[15:08:08] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: quite the bind you are in.
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2381[15:08:16] <earendel> hi .. question: those images below in
that list
replaced-url
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2382[15:08:19] <zetheroo> yep :D
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2383[15:08:47] <earendel> zetheroo: @ me?
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2384[15:08:58] <zetheroo> earendel: nope
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2387[15:09:07] <earendel> aww
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2388[15:09:32] <sleepyhead> earendel: >There are different
versions of CD #1 here to allow for a choice of default desktop on
installation, e.g. debian-something-kde-CD-1 contains the core
pieces of the KDE desktop and will default to installing that
desktop when used. The default desktop installed using
debian-something-CD-1 is Gnome.
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2389[15:09:35] <jelly> zetheroo: if you want help with your
_technical_ issue, please reproduce it first. Your policy issue in
reproducing your tech issue is, honestly, not #debian's problem
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2390[15:09:37] <petn-randall> earendel: Those are installation
images with different defaults on them.
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2391[15:10:08] <zetheroo> jelly: alright - thanks
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2392[15:10:26] <petn-randall> earendel: In 95% of the cases
I'd just take the netinst, assuming you have an internet
connection during installation.
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2393[15:10:36] <jelly> zetheroo: which debian release is this,
btw? Are you running any custom software component, like custom
kernel?
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2395[15:10:51] <zetheroo> jelly: I rekon it's wheezy
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2396[15:10:57] <jelly> !debian suite
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2397[15:10:57] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release
-sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the
distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab
almost all distributions.
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2398[15:10:57] <zetheroo> nothing custom
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2400[15:11:12] <jelly> zetheroo: what does "uname -a"
say
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2401[15:11:26] <earendel> i hope there are not just the core
pieces of the desktop systems without installation basics
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2402[15:11:29] <zetheroo> Linux rana 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
3.2.81-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2403[15:11:48] <zetheroo> jelly^
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2404[15:11:52] <jelly> yeah, that's a wheezy kernel. About a
year unpatched
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2406[15:12:18] <earendel> i have chosen already lxde.. my traffic
is limited and i have only a webstick.. and that fucking provider
kills me.
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2408[15:13:29] <earendel> (its very hard to book a dayflat) ..
thx petn-randall .. sleepyhead
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2410[15:14:13] <earendel> i guess i wont be able to do netinst
without grabbing some extra software from the net for that webstick
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2412[15:15:01] <petn-randall> earendel: In that case, you could
download the common CD set from where you can do it for free, then
just provide them during installation, and just download the
remaining packages (if any) over your expensive connection at home.
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2413[15:15:32] <earendel> the common cd set like... the 8 cds?
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2414[15:15:36] <earendel> :o
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2415[15:15:45] <teraflops> iirc cd1 ships the DE
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2416[15:16:05] <petn-randall> earendel: It's sorted by how
commonly used it is though, so you're probably well suited with
just the first 3.
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2421[15:16:48] <cheapie> I made an ISO with all packages on one
disc once. That was fun :P
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2423[15:17:02] <earendel> ok. so lxde cd 1 will give me nothing?
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2424[15:17:23] <cheapie> (ended up being like 70GB)
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2425[15:17:43] <petn-randall> There are DVDs and bluray images,
too.
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2427[15:17:49] <earendel> please say i will be able to install at
least so much as with netinst
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2428[15:17:57] <earendel> lie to me! :)
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2429[15:18:04] <earendel> fuck\
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2430[15:18:32] <earendel> i will need gammu to connect
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2431[15:18:34] <petn-randall> earendel: You can get a bootable
installation just with netinst. But in that case it's not much
more.
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2434[15:18:58] <earendel> but;.. can u tell me if lxde is netinst
+
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2435[15:19:06] <petn-randall> earendel: If you want to install
completely offline, just download the 3 DVDs (~14 GB)
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2437[15:19:42] <earendel> because i was hanging around in
##debian and nobody answered and its almost completely downloaded
via expensive connection.
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2438[15:20:40] <earendel> you know gammu? is there such a thing
for debian?
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2439[15:21:02] <jelly> gammu and wammu are packaged for debian
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2440[15:21:22] <jelly> ,v gammu
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2441[15:21:23] <judd> Package: gammu on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.31.90-1+b1; jessie: 1.33.0-3; stretch: 1.38.1-1; sid: 1.38.1-1
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2442[15:21:42] <earendel> what was the install command for debia
again? im afraid ill be disconnected every moment
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2443[15:21:51] <earendel> thx guys .. for all the help
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2444[15:22:07] <earendel> i promise i wont bother with
trivialities in the future
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2445[15:22:11] <jelly> apt-get install stuff
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2446[15:22:17] <earendel> thx! <3
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2449[15:23:54] <jelly> lo, why is there a ##debian
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2450[15:25:33] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2451[15:25:49] <earendel> its not populated..mistaken and didnt
bother i guess.
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2452[15:25:51] <zetheroo> is there a way to see what is using the
cache?
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2453[15:26:19] <zetheroo> or does that question not even make
sense? :D
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2455[15:27:44] <spacemn> zetheroo: you are going in the wrong
direction, you need instrumentation to log system resources usage
24/7, then you can reason about issues
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2565[16:40:48] <wyre> I've done "sudo dpkg
--add-architecture i396" by error
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2567[16:40:49] <wyre> how can I revert that?
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2568[16:41:09] <bezaban> --remove-architecture
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2570[16:41:48] <wyre> thanks bezaban
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2594[16:48:47] <tkla> Hey there
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2595[16:49:05] <tkla> Anyone who can help me with the
samba_backup script in Debian?
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2596[16:49:25] <tkla> I tried to use it but it keeps saying that
he won´t create an emtpy archive
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2604[16:52:30] <onee-chan> When I asked people when Stretch will
be released they were all saying like august or september... And I
was always thinking like June, maybe July... Well I guess I was
right :P
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2608[16:54:05] <Circuitsoft> Hello, on Jessie, just now,
"dpkg-query -L openjdk-7-jdk | fgrep
/usr/share/doc/openjdk-7-jre-headless/test-amd64/ | wc -l" gave
me 106565. Why are the tests installed with the jdk?
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2619[16:59:28] <wyre> I'm getting issues with steam in
Stretch
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2620[16:59:29] <wyre> I cannot startup
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2621[16:59:30] <wyre> I get "Fatal Error : Failed to load
steamui.so"
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2622[16:59:32] <wyre> any idea about?
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2686[17:26:20] <wyre> I cannot mount/umount volumes from nautilus
in Stretch :(
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2725[17:48:53] <polysics> hello! how do I add a single kernel
module that is not currently installed?
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2727[17:49:20] <greycat> Is it packaged in Debian?
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2733[17:50:50] <polysics> I tried searching apt for
"multitouch" but did not turn up anything
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2735[17:51:03] <polysics> it's Device
Drivers/HID/Special/HID Multitouch Panels
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2739[17:51:44] <polysics> I can see it not selected in make
menuconfig but that is pretty much all I know how to do
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2740[17:51:57] <polysics> I could build an entire new kernel, but
isn't that overkill?
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2742[17:53:27] <Walex> polysics: find /lib/modules/ -name
'*multito*'
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2744[17:54:38] <Walex> polysics: apt-get install apt-file;
apt-file update; apt-file search multitouch | grep
'^/lib/kernel'
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2745[17:54:52] <polysics> Walex: I have something indeed
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2749[17:55:39] <polysics> a hid-multitouch.ko entry
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2752[17:56:13] <Walex> polysics: also run the other command
sequence for additional information
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2757[17:56:48] <polysics> it's churning
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2758[17:56:57] <polysics> so, in line of principle, I do have
that module already?
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2760[17:57:21] <greycat> Did you try "locate
multitouch" yet? Just out of curiosity.
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2761[17:57:27] <Walex> polysics: actually ooops replace
"grep '^/lib/kernel'" with "grep
'^/lib/kernel|/usr/lib/xorg'"
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2762[17:57:45] <greycat> Might as well try the *easy* ones
first....
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2764[17:58:44] <polysics> ok, I do have a .ko object
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2766[18:00:25] <polysics>
lib/modules/3.2(etc)/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-multitouch.ko
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2767[18:00:34] <polysics> does that mean anything? :D
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2771[18:01:02] <greycat> It means you have that kernel driver.
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2772[18:01:17] <greycat> Also means you're on wheezy.
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2773[18:01:29] <polysics> so it is already there, in theory?
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2776[18:01:45] <greycat> I don't know if this driver does
what you want, or even what you actually want.
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2777[18:02:00] <polysics> I know it is the driver I want
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2780[18:02:41] <polysics> lsmod | grep multi does not show it
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2781[18:03:02] <jelly> polysics: so it's not loaded
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2787[18:03:48] <jelly> polysics: do you perhaps have a different
goal, like making some specific hardware work on your system?
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2788[18:03:56] <jelly> !goal
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2789[18:03:56] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2790[18:03:59] <jelly> !ask
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2791[18:03:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2793[18:04:12] <polysics> yes, I am doing the supposed
pre-installation steps for installing an ESA touchscreen
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2794[18:04:18] <polysics> which supposedly requires that module
to be loaded
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2795[18:04:31] <polysics> then it has its own setup script that
should just work
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2797[18:05:09] <jelly> use modprobe module-name-here to load it
manually
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2798[18:05:12] <greycat> Did you actually connect the hardware to
the system?
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2799[18:05:25] <polysics> by the way, uname -r reports 3.10, not
3.2
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2801[18:05:36] <greycat> polysics: what does "cat
/etc/debian_version" say?
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2802[18:05:37] <jelly> polysics: how old are these
pre-installation steps?
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2803[18:05:39] <polysics> so that is probably not even the right
module
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2805[18:06:04] <polysics> 2015/04/10
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2806[18:06:05] <polysics> old :D
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2807[18:06:16] <jelly> what's your hardware platform (pc)
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2808[18:06:32] <polysics> an industrial Celeron-based machine
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2809[18:06:34] <jelly> polysics: what does `uname -a` say
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2810[18:06:39] <polysics> a "normal" PC
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2811[18:07:26] <polysics> linux x3-test 3.10.82-sv-686 #4 SMP Mon
Jul 6 22:00:28 CEST 2015 i686 GNU/Linux
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2812[18:07:49] <jelly> so it runs a custom kernel, possibly
provided by the vendor
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2813[18:07:54] <petn-randall> polysics: 3.10 never shipped in
Debian.
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2815[18:07:55] <greycat> It's not a Debian kernel, though
you apparently *have* a Debian (wheezy) kernel installed. You just
aren't using it.
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2818[18:08:22] <polysics> urgh
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2820[18:08:33] <simbalion`> Hi, I upgraded to stretch last night
from jessie, now I'm getting git errors about public key
verification failing, can anyone suggest a fix?
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2821[18:08:39] <polysics> so I actually need to find out where
that kernel comes from, I assume?
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2822[18:08:44] <jelly> polysics: you will need to find linux
headers and/or sources matching the kernel you're currently
running, or boot a different, preferably distro kernel
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2823[18:08:44] <greycat> polysics: yeah
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2825[18:09:14] <jelly> polysics: perhaps 3.16 from
wheezy-backports will work on your hardware if 3.2 from wheezy does
not
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2826[18:09:25] <jelly> ,kernels
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2827[18:09:26] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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2828[18:09:29] <polysics> I guess the first step is simply
"write an email to whoever built this thing and find out what
happened" :)
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2829[18:09:33] <greycat> Depends on what's been done to this
3.10 kernel.
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2831[18:09:42] <polysics> well, thank you people, you are very
helpful
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2832[18:09:50] <polysics> I'll grab the guy responsible for
this and figure it out
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2834[18:10:19] <polysics> it has to be said that the machine is
named SV
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2836[18:10:22] <polysics> soooo, that "sv"
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2839[18:10:39] <polysics> this is probably a custom kernel built
by the guy that physically built the thing
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2840[18:10:42] <jelly> simbalion`: are you accessing a private or
a public repo? Which command line are you running and what's
the full output?
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2841[18:10:42] <polysics> k, good to know
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2847[18:12:08] <simbalion`> jelly:
replaced-url
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2849[18:12:27] <greycat> why the fuck do people keep using that
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2852[18:13:20] <greycat> The ONE paste site in the entire history
of humankind that's even WORSE than pastebin.com and people USE
it. On purpose. Unfuckingbelievable.
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2854[18:13:34] <polysics> what's wrong with gist.github.com?
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2856[18:14:07] <jelly> simbalion`: #835342 seems to be relevant
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2857[18:14:12] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2858[18:14:51] <jelly> simbalion`: i just googled
"gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification
has failed."
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2860[18:15:51] <jelly> greycat: the url points to raw text file,
what's your grief with that
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2861[18:16:11] <jelly> how is plain text worse than pastebin.com
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2864[18:16:49] <greycat> OK, fine, he used the web site in a
nonstandard mode whereby he gave us a URL that can actually be
opened, instead of the default mode that requires a javascript
engine to "decrypt" the contents.
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2865[18:17:17] <greycat> I still think the entire web site needs
to be nuked off the face of the internet, because most people
don't give the raw link.
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2866[18:17:22] <jelly> seems you just like to rant sometimes
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2867[18:18:11] <tx> It's 2017 though
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2869[18:18:21] <tx> using the internet without javascript is like
using a car with 3 wheels
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2870[18:18:56] <greycat> I refuse to open unsolicited IRC
pastebins in a GUI/javascript browser
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menacingly at kids stepping on his lawn
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2877[18:21:27] <simbalion`> jelly: I found a number of results
myself but they each speak about removing certain packages and
I'm a bit cautious so I was hoping someone might be able to
offer advice regarding my specific situation
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2882[18:22:50] <cysill> greycat has a point. No reason to need
JavaScript for reading plain text.
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2883[18:22:52] <greycat> A couple years ago, for reasons which I
do not understand, the notion that "every web site should be
encrypted" somehow caught on. Like hotcakes. Like wildfire.
Like hotcakes on fire.
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2885[18:23:10] <greycat> Unfortuantely, it turns out our software
and infrastructure weren't ready for it.
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2890[18:24:04] <jelly> simbalion`: do you have libgnutls-deb0-28
mentioned in that and the other bts report, installed?
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2893[18:24:40] <greycat> Massive use of https required reworking
some of the protocols ("certificate stapling" and all
that), and apparently just putting it in the libraries isn't
enough. The *applications* have to be modified too.
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2895[18:25:37] <simbalion`> jelly: 3.3.8-6+deb8u5
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2899[18:26:04] <koollman> greycat: not that much. They do need
some basic support. but you can make a pretty
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2900[18:26:15] <koollman> *pretty compatible configuration
server-side
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2902[18:26:25] <Violinist> wow lol look at cowsay
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2903[18:26:26] <Violinist> <zpx> it's amazing how
"not-broken" \
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2904[18:26:26] <Violinist> \ debian is compared to slack and rh
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2905[18:26:26] <jelly> simbalion`: and would anything useful for
you get removed if you removed it? Test with "apt-get -s remove
libgnutls-deb0-28"
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2906[18:26:32] <greycat> I'm on my third text-mode browser
now. lynx can't do it. elinks can't do it. Looks like w3m
can, but I'm still learning the user interface. It is bizarre.
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2907[18:26:47] <Violinist> lel
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2908[18:26:59] <jelly> greycat: elinks still doesn't have
SNI, which is like 12 years old now
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2913[18:27:37] <greycat> Well, it's pretty sad that a web
browser that's *in* debian cannot open
replaced-url
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2919[18:28:01] <greycat> or any of the other dozens of https
paste sites that people started using
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2920[18:28:02] <jelly> there's all sorts of software with
partial capabilities in debian
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2921[18:28:49] <jelly> you want a decent, up to date browser,
there's only two: chrome/chromium and firefox
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2923[18:29:22] <simbalion`> jelly: looks like libcurl3-gnutls,
that seems pretty important right?
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2925[18:29:34] <jelly> simbalion`: no, those are all old libs
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2927[18:29:41] <simbalion`> jelly: Okay, thanks :)
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2928[18:29:47] <jelly> get rid of both, see if that makes things
better
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2929[18:30:05] <jelly> you can reinstall them back later if you
have custom compiled software
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2930[18:30:17] <jelly> ,v libcurl3-gnutls
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2931[18:30:18] <judd> Package: libcurl3-gnutls on amd64 --
wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy19;
jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; sid:
7.52.1-5; stretch: 7.52.1-5
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2935[18:31:21] <simbalion`> I tried to remove libcurl3-gnutls and
it lists a huge number of apps that'd be removed with it
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2936[18:32:01] <Violinist> dont do it
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2937[18:32:05] <jelly> simbalion`: I just asked you if there was
anything important in the list for "apt-get -s remove
libgnutls-deb0-28", was it not present there?
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2938[18:32:08] <Violinist> ull have to reinstall
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2940[18:32:18] <simbalion`> jelly: that only shows
libcurl3-gnutls
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2942[18:32:44] <jelly> simbalion`: so remove just that.
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2944[18:33:09] <Violinist> jelly, how
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2945[18:33:21] <jelly> simbalion`: or try to do that, if it still
wants to remove lots of stuff, don't do it
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2946[18:33:29] <jelly> Violinist: do you also have the same
issue?
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2947[18:33:38] <Violinist> no
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2948[18:33:47] <Violinist> but sometimes it want to remove
everything
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2949[18:33:59] <Violinist> ive had that happen before
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2950[18:34:01] <jelly> that's why we use -s / --dry-run
first
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2953[18:34:16] <koollman> greycat: I am curious about the way
things are failing for you. Always interesting to know what I should
look for and test when setting up https :)
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2959[18:35:09] <jelly> simbalion`: there should be no difference
in stated package removals between "apt-get -s remove
libgnutls-deb0-28" and "apt-get remove
libgnutls-deb0-28", is there?
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2960[18:35:11] <simbalion`> jelly: That's what I said,
it's trying to remove lots of stuff, but that's maybe
unrelated..
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2961[18:35:12] <greycat> koollman: elinks
replaced-url
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2962[18:35:33] <simbalion`> how do I tell it not to remove lots
of stuff? Like audacious, that's a music player, seems
unrelated
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2963[18:35:39] <jelly> simbalion`: right. ^C that, don't let
it, and pastebin full outputs for both
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2965[18:35:53] <greycat> koollman: lynx
replaced-url
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2968[18:36:54] <greycat> simbalion`: did you *fully* upgrade from
jessie to stretch, or are you running some kind of hybrid?
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2969[18:37:03] <simbalion`> jelly:
replaced-url
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2973[18:37:17] <jelly> greycat: links2 2.14-2+b1 seems to work on
that site for some reason
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2978[18:38:09] <greycat> ,v gdm3
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2979[18:38:10] <judd> Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-8;
jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.22.3-2; sid: 3.22.3-2; experimental:
3.24.2-1
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2980[18:38:22] <greycat> Hmm, he has the stretch version of
that....
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2981[18:38:24] <jelly> greycat: links2 linked against openssl,
and its cousin elinks uses gnutls in debian, go figure
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2985[18:38:49] <greycat> I'm still wondering what COMMAND
simbalion` ran, because he didn't show it.
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2986[18:39:27] <jelly> simbalion`: which command is that from?
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2987[18:39:31] <greycat> He must be using one of those damned
shell script thingies that pastes the OUTPUT of a command to a web
site, which leaves you without the command.
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2990[18:39:40] <simbalion`> jelly: apt-get -s remove
libcurl3-gnutls
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2992[18:39:48] <greycat> ...
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2994[18:40:00] <jelly> simbalion`: it says it's going to
remove a ton of stuff
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2997[18:40:31] <jelly> The following packages will be REMOVED: [a
ton of stuff follows]
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2998[18:40:52] <jelly> different from <simbalion`> jelly:
that only shows libcurl3-gnutls
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2999[18:40:59] <spacemn> on Stretch, how do I change the console
keyboard layout to Colemak?
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3000[18:41:02] <greycat> You told him to do "apt-get -s
remove libgnutls-deb0-28" and he did "apt-get -s remove
libcurl3-gnutls"
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3001[18:41:03] <koollman> greycat: so, yeah, I can reproduce your
problem on jessie. which is kind of fun. curl do work, though, so I
wonder what's different for lynx or elinks
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3002[18:41:10] <jelly> oh
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3003[18:41:17] <jelly> missed that
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3007[18:41:48] <jelly> simbalion`: what about "apt-get -s
remove libgnutls-deb0-28"
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3008[18:42:08] <simbalion`> jelly: apt-get -s remove
libgnutls-deb0-28 only shows libcurl3-gnutls.
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3009[18:42:19] <koollman> greycat: the difference seems to be
openssl vs gnutls
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3010[18:42:23] <greycat> That makes no sense at all.
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3012[18:42:38] <jelly> simbalion`: pastebin the full output
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3013[18:42:44] <greycat> I just removed libgnutls-deb0-28 on a
stretch box that was upgraded from jessie. It did not remove any
other packages.
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3015[18:43:03] <simbalion`> jelly:
replaced-url
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3016[18:43:09] <jelly> mine only removes some leftover libs
(didn't do any deborphan cleanup)
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3020[18:43:37] <greycat> simbalion`: it's trying to INSTALL
libcurl3-gnutls but it can't
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3022[18:43:51] <jelly> simbalion`: it alos mentions an error!
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3024[18:43:56] <jelly> that's kind of relevant
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3027[18:44:09] <jelly> !bat
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3028[18:44:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3031[18:44:32] <jelly> simbalion`: ^^ follow that for your
"apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28" command.
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3032[18:44:35] <simbalion`> jelly: sorry, I thought that
particular error was implied
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3033[18:44:57] <jelly> nothing is implied, apt doesn't
usually throw errors
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3035[18:45:28] <jelly> ,v librtmp1
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3036[18:45:29] <judd> Package: librtmp1 on amd64 -- jessie:
2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1; jessie-proposed-updates:
2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1+deb8u1; jessie-security:
2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1+deb8u1; stretch:
2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1; sid: 2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1;
jessie-multimedia: 2:2.4~20150315.gita107cef9b-dmo1+deb8u2;
sid-multimedia: 2:2.4~20160119.gitfa8646dae-dmo5
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3037[18:46:32] * jelly suspects something like
replaced-url
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3038[18:46:33] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3041[18:47:22] <koollman> greycat: so, it's not really that
it requires application modification. it's that application has
a bug, really.
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3042[18:47:31] <jelly> dmo's epoch bump preventing upgrades
from stretch to take place
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3043[18:47:53] <koollman> greycat:
replaced-url
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3045[18:47:54] <simbalion`> jelly:
replaced-url
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3047[18:48:40] <koollman> greycat: using ssl does not add the
bug, it just reveals it :)
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3048[18:48:52] <jelly> simbalion`: so yeah, you also have
librtmp1 from jessie dmo
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3049[18:48:52] <simbalion`> hrm, seems like librtmp1 was held
back
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3051[18:49:19] <simbalion`> how do I see why?
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3052[18:49:24] <jelly> simbalion`: and you still have jessie dmo
repo enabled.
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3053[18:49:43] <simbalion`> must be in one of the secondary
.lists it's not in the main sources.list
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3054[18:50:24] <jelly> get rid of it, get rid of any packages
from dmo, do an update and dist-upgrade then, _then_ check if you
still need any packages from dmo
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3055[18:50:28] <jelly> !dmo
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3056[18:50:28] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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3058[18:50:37] <jelly> !dmm remove
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3059[18:50:37] <simbalion`> jelly: what is dmo?
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3060[18:50:37] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from
deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian
repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends
$(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial
Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm
repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f;
install the still missing packages which were removed in the former
process ...
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3061[18:50:54] <jelly> see above
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3065[18:52:05] <simbalion`> I seem to recall I installed
deb-multimedia.org stuff in order to get certain sound or video
codecs working that otherwise had no support at all
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3069[18:52:39] <jelly> it used to be quite useful around squeeze
or wheezy
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3070[18:53:12] <jelly> these days most of stuff needed for
decoding is already in debian
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3072[18:53:27] <jhutchins_wk> Definitely needed it in Etch and
Lenny.
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3073[18:53:38] <jelly> (they do still ship some software
that's not in debian at all)
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3076[18:54:22] <jhutchins_wk> mp3 patent is expiring shortly.
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3077[18:54:57] <jelly> and mp3 will be free
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3078[18:55:02] <simbalion`> hrm, that removed openshot, I hope
dmo isn't required for that
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3080[18:55:09] <jelly> ,v openshot
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3081[18:55:10] <judd> Package: openshot on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.4.2-1.1; jessie: 1.4.3-1.1; sid: 1.4.3-1.2; stretch: 1.4.3-1.2;
wheezy-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4;
sid-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4
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3082[18:55:11] <phogg> I thought it was all expired already (like
a few weeks ago)
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3083[18:56:11] <phogg> I guess not, at least two still remain
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3084[18:57:19] <BluesKaj> who cares it's lossy crappy
sounding encoded audio ...wav ftw in this day and age of large
storage devices
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3085[18:57:39] <jhutchins_wk> Iirc all licensing has expired, but
the patent remains.
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3088[18:58:02] <phogg> BluesKaj: I care. There are still tons of
mp3 files out there.
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3091[18:58:22] <tx> at least it's not real audio
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3092[18:58:24] <tx> or windows media audio
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3093[18:58:36] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: yeah that was what I was
remembering; RH legal apparently indicated that they'll now
ship codecs.
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3094[18:58:57] <BluesKaj> phogg, i replaced mine with the wav
versions...it took a while but it was worth it
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3096[18:59:09] <phogg> BluesKaj: why? Use flac at least.
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3097[18:59:15] <simbalion`> I removed all the dmo repos and did
apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm still seeing
dmo stuff listed
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3098[18:59:37] <phogg> BluesKaj: in many cases I still have mp3
files where I no longer have working discs. Bytes don't age as
badly as physical media.
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3100[18:59:48] <greycat> Removing repositories does not remove
the packages that came from them.
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3101[19:00:02] <jhutchins_wk> simbalion`: You could use the
interactive mode and search for dmo, mark and delete.
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3102[19:00:03] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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3103[19:00:16] <simbalion`> found it.. I missed a file
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3105[19:00:20] <BluesKaj> flac is still on the fly decoding,
converted all my flacs to wav too
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3108[19:01:24] <jelly> greycat: the recipe first does package
removal based on Origin: while the repo is still there, and _then_
asks to remove repo
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3109[19:01:30] <phogg> BluesKaj: but why? You can't afford
the CPU time to decode?
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3110[19:01:52] <jelly> simbalion`: did you do exactly what the
recipe for !dmm remove said?
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3113[19:02:12] <simbalion`> using uncompressed audio is a waste
of space unless you're a music producer and people who say they
can hear the difference are lying
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3115[19:02:21] <BluesKaj> less processing gives better sound,
that's my philosophy
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3116[19:02:22] <simbalion`> jelly: yes, but I missed a .list file
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3117[19:02:38] <phogg> BluesKaj: you're wrong, but have fun
wasting disk space
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3119[19:03:08] <BluesKaj> it's not a waste to me
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3123[19:03:43] <simbalion`> if you're not a music producer
it is
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3125[19:03:55] <simbalion`> but it's your money so whatever.
Yay liberty!
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3132[19:04:53] <BluesKaj> simbalion`, I have plenty of space, i
don't care because storage is cheap
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3133[19:05:40] <simbalion`> cheap is relative, it's
certainly cheaper than it used to be, but if all your music is
stored digitally and uncompressed then your storage is going to be
used up very fast which, to me, negates the affordability of it.
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3134[19:05:46] <simbalion`> Perhaps you have less music than me..
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3136[19:06:00] <simbalion`> it's all subjective
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3141[19:06:44] <simbalion`> looks like there's an openshot
package without dmo so that's good
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3142[19:06:49] <jelly> simbalion`: so do you have librtmp1 from
repo now
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3144[19:06:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm pretty judicious about
music ...I don't keep anything we don'r like
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3147[19:07:25] <jelly> BluesKaj: I can't make myself rip
everything again... so mp3s for me.
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3148[19:07:55] <jelly> 256kbps, 99% tracks I don't hear a
difference
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3149[19:07:55] <simbalion`> jelly: Installed:
2:2.4~20160119.gitfa8646dae-dmo5
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3151[19:08:05] <BluesKaj> it's not rippmg ...ripping implies
lossless compression
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3152[19:08:05] <jelly> simbalion`: that's still a dmo
version
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3154[19:08:20] <simbalion`> jelly: Yeah, how do I fix that? I
tried that command you suggested
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3155[19:08:20] <jelly> BluesKaj: ripping doesn't imply any
compression
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3156[19:08:24] <BluesKaj> or lossy rather :-)
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3157[19:09:05] <jelly> ripping is transfer from the physical
media you bought music in to other, more pretty media
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3158[19:09:54] <jelly> and it takes time
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3160[19:09:58] * BluesKaj shrugs
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3162[19:10:17] <jelly> and finding those cds somewhere
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3163[19:10:18] <BluesKaj> I have time ..I'm an old retired
guy
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3167[19:11:09] <tx> And when you pass, you will leave your legacy
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3168[19:11:11] <tx> in its' full
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3169[19:11:14] <BluesKaj> and still own lots of vinyl
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3170[19:11:14] <tx> uncompressed glory ;)
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3173[19:11:31] <tx> BluesKaj: as do I
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3175[19:11:37] <tx> but vinyl doesn't last or play forever
:(
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3176[19:11:41] <tx> It's just fun.
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3178[19:12:23] <jelly> simbalion`: do you have any other packages
with dmo in version number? aptitude search '~i
?version(.*dmo.*)'
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3179[19:12:24] <BluesKaj> if it's propely taken care of ,
vinyl will last for many many yrs
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3182[19:12:59] <tx> BluesKaj: sure
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3183[19:13:03] <simbalion`> jelly: that turned up a long list, so
yes
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3184[19:13:12] <simbalion`> some of them say 'A' before
the name and others don't, whats that mean?
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3185[19:13:36] <gnunix> how come Gnome software center isn't
included in debian jessie?
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3186[19:13:51] <simbalion`> fwiw git is now working, tho I do
appreciate your help in cleaning out the dmo stuff too
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3188[19:14:07] <cronicx> hello dudes, question: i have installed
glib 2.13 on 1 server, there is a compiled check that needs glibc
2.15 , does apt-install libc6=2.15 has any effect to other compiled
program? Or would apt install this as "2nd" glibc?
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3189[19:14:08] <jelly> simbalion`: so apparently that first
command with aptitude search
'?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia
Packages))' inside it didn't do a lot for you
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3190[19:14:21] <simbalion`> jelly: it did the first time, but now
it returns an error
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3192[19:14:30] <jelly> cronicx: there is no libc6 2.15 in debian
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3194[19:14:42] <simbalion`> jelly: dpkg: error: --remove needs at
least one package name argument
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3195[19:14:44] <missmbob> ,v gnome-software
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3196[19:14:45] <judd> Package: gnome-software on amd64 --
stretch: 3.22.5-1; sid: 3.22.5-1; experimental: 3.25.1-1
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3198[19:15:00] <missmbob> gnunix: ^
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3201[19:15:20] <gnunix> E: Package 'gnome-software' has
no installation candidate
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3202[19:15:22] <jelly> simbalion`: A means automatically
installed as a dependency
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3205[19:15:52] <cronicx> jelly: glibc 2.15 sry
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3206[19:15:55] <simbalion`> jelly: I think the issue is that
after I did that command, which removed a bunch of packages, then I
did an update and dist-upgrade without realizing I had overlooked a
deb-multimedia.list file and so it reinstalled some of them
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3207[19:15:56] <missmbob> gnunix: are you not reading that
it's in stretch and newer?
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3208[19:16:01] <jelly> cronicx: that's same thing
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3209[19:16:05] <simbalion`> but now that command returns an error
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3210[19:16:15] <gnunix> missmbob: sorry..
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3212[19:16:29] <johnfg> hi folks
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3213[19:16:39] <jelly> simbalion`: so put the repo back, do an
apt-get update, and do the dpkg ... command again
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3214[19:16:40] <tx> hello folk
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3215[19:16:55] <johnfg> I don't want or need *any* firewall
on scratch, as I do all of that through my router.
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3216[19:17:11] <simbalion`> jelly: arg I didn't save the
file, good thing I have backups
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3217[19:17:20] <jelly> johnfg: you're in luck, debian does
not have any firewall by default
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3219[19:17:28] <johnfg> Is there anything other than firewalld or
iptables that would be blocking any ports or would there be any
other firewall?
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3221[19:17:51] <gnunix> missmbob: but i'm running Jessie
8.8, i just want to install it.
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3222[19:17:55] <johnfg> jelly: So you'd say no, to that
question.
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3223[19:18:02] <maxxe> anybody running stretch?
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3225[19:18:06] <missmbob> gnunix: you cant in jessie
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3226[19:18:06] <jelly> johnfg: which debian release? stretch also
has nftables
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3228[19:18:14] <johnfg> maxxe: I am.
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3229[19:18:17] <gnunix> missmbob: Thank you.
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3230[19:18:20] <johnfg> maxxe: in a vm
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3236[19:19:08] <gnunix> maxxe: i hope for you, you are not
running as a daily
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3237[19:19:15] <BluesKaj> johnfg, stretch here too, but kdeplasma
DE
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3238[19:19:40] <BluesKaj> on a ssd
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3240[19:19:56] <simbalion`> jelly: dpkg: error: --remove needs a
valid package name but 'libavcodec56' is not: ambiguous
package name 'libavcodec56' with more than one installed
instance
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3244[19:20:36] <greycat> you may need :amd64 and/or :i386
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3245[19:21:04] <simbalion`> johnfg: you may want to use a
software firewall anyway, if you have wifi someone could connect and
attack your machines from inside the network
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3246[19:21:05] <maxxe> gnunix: 'running as a daily'?
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3248[19:21:20] <simbalion`> there's really no reason to not
firewall everything you aren't using
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3249[19:21:44] <gnunix> maxxe: sorry, english isnt my native
tongue, i mean, you dont run a testing version of debian on a daily
basis, right
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3250[19:21:44] <tx> secure by defaultTM
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3251[19:22:19] <simbalion`> and as ipv6 becomes more common
individual machines on a LAN will have real internet IPs so
"router firewalling" won't be as reliable as it
is/was with ipv4
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3253[19:23:04] <simbalion`> unless your router has real firewall
capabilities built in which most do not
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3254[19:23:09] <johnfg> simbalion`: So, in your opinion, would
you do both iptables and the router, or just iptables?
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3255[19:23:16] * Atm0spher1c running sid and testing daily
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3257[19:23:46] <simbalion`> johnfg: I don't use my router
for anything but routing and DHCP. iptables works great, I use Ferm
with it to make configuration easier.. be aware it's being
replaced with nftables
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3258[19:24:10] <BluesKaj> oops my posts were directed to the
wrong nick , maxxe , stretch is very stable here, but I'm a
home user not a prodution machine
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3259[19:24:11] <johnfg> simbalion`: What jelly was referring to.
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3261[19:24:29] <simbalion`> johnfg: yes.
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3269[19:27:10] <jelly> simbalion`: whether your systems have a
publically routable address (ipv6 or not), a border firewall is
still a good idea
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3270[19:27:33] <jelly> publicly?
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3271[19:27:48] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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3278[19:28:26] <johnfg> I'm dealing with an openafs-client
problem on stretch. How can I check if certain ports are open or
closed?
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3280[19:28:43] <Atm0spher1c> johnfg, sudo ss -aptun
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3284[19:29:42] * greycat still doesn't know what "open"
and "closed" are supposed to mean in the context of TCP
ports, except "I used nmap"
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3291[19:30:38] <shannara> 8
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3292[19:30:47] <johnfg> Atm0spher1c: thanks
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3295[19:32:05] <simbalion`> jelly: okay I think I've removed
all the dmo stuff, thanks for your help
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3297[19:32:27] <simbalion`> I'm having difficulty upgrading
dolphin to the version in stretch, it says it has unmet dependencies
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3299[19:32:59] <tx> paste issue
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3300[19:33:02] <tx> hastebin.com or w/e
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3305[19:33:38] <johnfg> greycat: so, when I ran nmap
192.168.100.193 (my scratch vm ip) -p1-65535, it only shows 22, 80,
and 389 open.
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3307[19:33:56] <greycat> Yup, an nmap user. I knew it.
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3309[19:34:26] <greycat> Does nmap's "open" mean
"I sent a TCP handshake to this port and managed to
connect", or what? I never could understand their terminology.
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3311[19:34:42] <tx> simbalion`: what distro?
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3312[19:34:44] <tx> /version
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3313[19:34:59] <simbalion`> tx: stretch, I just upgraded last
night
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3314[19:35:01] <jhutchins_wk> Open just means it received a
response from something listening on that port.
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3317[19:35:38] <johnfg> greycat: :-)
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3318[19:35:59] <simbalion`> when I did a dist-upgrade it said
dolphin was being held back, so I figured I'd try to update it
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3319[19:36:01] <johnfg> How would I open both the tcp/udp ports
7000-7005?
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3322[19:36:26] <greycat> ....
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3329[19:37:07] <tx> johnfg: you need to use the ports for
something
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3330[19:37:13] <greycat> (a) have some process listen to these
ports. (b) remove whatever firewall would prevent them from
receiving packets, or from sending response packets.
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3331[19:37:15] <tx> something needs to be listening on them
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3333[19:37:42] <johnfg> They're needed for openafs.
Actually, not all 6 for the client, but for openafs in general.
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3334[19:38:02] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: That's the Apple file
sharing protocol?
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3337[19:38:46] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: andrew distributed file
system.
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3338[19:39:17] <jelly> johnfg: there's nothing to
"open" if there's no firewall, the default is
everything is open
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3340[19:39:51] <johnfg> jelly: Why then does the nmap cmd only
return those 3 I mentioned?
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3341[19:40:14] <simbalion`> johnfg: a port can be open (not
firewalled) but non-responding.
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3342[19:40:20] <greycat> because you HAVEN'T GOT THE
LISTENING PROCESS RUNNING YET
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3343[19:40:28] <`Kevin> johnfg: as noted above ^ if you do not
have someting listenning on the socket/port then a port scanner is
not going to show it as open
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3344[19:40:39] <`Kevin> because nothing responds.
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3345[19:40:41] <jelly> johnfg: possibley because you don't
have any other listeners running on the other 997 well-known ports
it tests?
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3347[19:41:06] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, run dist-upgrade again
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3348[19:41:09] <johnfg> I do have openafs-client running, but
there's a problem with it rw-ing the directories in my cell.
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3351[19:41:43] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: says 0 to upgrade
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3352[19:41:43] <`Kevin> `client` ?
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3353[19:42:01] <Atm0spher1c> update first
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3354[19:42:05] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: I did
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3355[19:42:07] <jelly> simbalion`: did you do the rest of the dmm
remove recipe? "apt-get -f install" before trying to
reinstall removed packages?
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3357[19:42:22] <simbalion`> jelly: yep
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3358[19:42:22] <johnfg> `Kevin: to me? Yes, openafs-client.
debian jessie is my openafs-fileserver.
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3360[19:42:34] <greycat> johnfg: "ss -t -l" will show
the TCP ports that are being listened-to.
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3361[19:42:40] <simbalion`> jelly: the dmm stuff is all gone
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3362[19:42:44] <Freemon> any1 alive?
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3363[19:42:44] <johnfg> Other clients can connect and rw with no
problems.
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3364[19:42:49] <jelly> simbalion`: then follow the "basic
apt troubleshooting" again with dolphin install attempt in mind
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3365[19:42:50] <Freemon> i need some help
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3366[19:42:52] <johnfg> greycat: thanks.
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3367[19:43:04] <jelly> simbalion`: if it scrolled off, /msg dpkg
bat
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3368[19:43:04] <simbalion`> jelly: okay
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3369[19:43:08] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, cat /etc/debian_version
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3370[19:43:32] <`Kevin> johnfg: follow that command greycat
pointed out, my point is simply that typically client processes to
not listen on a port they just connect to something that is
listening
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3371[19:43:36] <`Kevin> do not/
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3372[19:43:49] <Freemon> any1 use pHYCHARM IDE here?
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3373[19:43:57] <Freemon> or any Intellif Ids?
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3374[19:44:03] <Freemon> Intellij
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3375[19:44:15] <johnfg> Nothing's listening on them.
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3376[19:44:33] <Freemon> anyone ?
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3377[19:44:54] <tx> Freemon: dude
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3378[19:44:54] <Atm0spher1c> Freemon, hell no!
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3379[19:44:56] <`Kevin> johnfg: fileserver for openafs is port
7000/udp, try ss -u -l
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3380[19:44:57] <tx> you asked like a minute ago
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3381[19:44:58] <tx> calm down
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3383[19:45:15] <Freemon> areplaced-url
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3384[19:45:18] <Freemon> why not
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3385[19:45:22] <jelly> Freemon: irc is an asynchronous protocol,
be patient
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3387[19:45:51] <Freemon> :(
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3389[19:45:57] <jelly> people don't get a notification for
every line written her
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3391[19:46:23] <Freemon> can some one tell me when i get dam
squar sign on Intellij IDEs ?.. so weird
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3393[19:46:38] <Freemon> i mean words are dam squar signs
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3397[19:46:48] <tx> ok..
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3398[19:47:16] <greycat> Missing fonts? That's what gives me
"rectangles" in certain web browsers.
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3399[19:47:20] <simbalion`> Freemon: Have you tried #jetbrains?
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3400[19:47:31] <simbalion`> Freemon: I use phpstorm but I
don't know if I can help you
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3402[19:47:39] <Freemon> well i tried font i dont know its doesnt
works...
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3403[19:47:53] <Freemon> pycharm = better than phpstorm
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3404[19:48:07] <jmcnaught> Freemon: or maybe try one of the free
IDEs in Debian. GNOME Builder is new and looks interesting.
There's also eric, spyder and quite a few others
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3405[19:48:07] <Freemon> + i need anroid studio
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3406[19:48:10] <tx> you mean square brackets?
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3407[19:48:10] <tx> [ ]
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3409[19:48:13] <simbalion`> thanks guys I did apt-cache on all
the dolphin dependencies and installed them manually and now dolphin
installs
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3410[19:48:13] <apt> simbalion`: my pleasure
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3411[19:48:15] <Freemon> that too have all squar signs
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3412[19:48:35] <simbalion`> Freemon: whatever, phpstorm does
everything I need.
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3413[19:48:54] <jelly> simbalion`: bet it doesn't show
pretty squares!
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3416[19:49:21] <Freemon> man i want to know the reason not
alternative recomendations
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3417[19:49:23] <simbalion`> jelly: I have no idea what that means
:)
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3418[19:49:37] <simbalion`> Freemon: contact jet brains support
they've been very helpful to me
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3420[19:50:15] <Freemon> i contacted them they adviced me to
check java .. which i did but still same
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3421[19:50:20] <jelly> simbalion`: doesn't matter. See if
apt-get dist-upgrade still shows something is held back, if
there's nothing to upgrade then that's it
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3422[19:50:27] <Freemon> telling me to chk jdk path
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3423[19:50:30] <`Kevin> Freemon: did you identify which fonts are
used in the file?
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3425[19:50:40] <simbalion`> jelly: nope!
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3426[19:50:57] <maxxe> BluesKaj, am also a home user
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3427[19:50:58] <Freemon> i cant identify anything whole UI font
appears to be sqare signs
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3428[19:51:29] <johnfg> 'Kevin nothing there either.
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3430[19:52:00] <Freemon> i changed fonts to debian default fonts
still same
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3431[19:52:41] <Circuitsoft> Anyone know why openjdk-7-jdk owns
106,000 files under /usr/share/doc?
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3432[19:53:03] <Circuitsoft> "dpkg-query -L openjdk-7-jdk |
fgrep /usr/share/doc/openjdk-7-jre-headless/test-amd64 | wc -l"
gives 106566
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3433[19:53:16] <jmcnaught> Freemon: the reason i suggested
alternatives is because the software included with Debian is
supported here. If you have trouble with a third party proprietary
software you should be asking the people who sold it you for help.
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3434[19:53:21] <`Kevin> johnfg: ok then you do not have openafs
fileserver running
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3438[19:54:14] <Freemon> hmm the weird thing is that when i
installed in in vmware after installing fresh installing debian
fonts were fine ... now i dont know where is stuck on this
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3439[19:54:31] <jmcnaught> Freemon: also you get a signed
photograph of RMS in the mail if you learn emacs, another great
options
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3440[19:55:11] <Freemon> emacs from Pros not for me
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3442[19:55:40] <Freemon> their is a thin line i draw between cli
and gui
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3447[19:57:20] <`Kevin> Freemon: lsof the process where it works
and see what fonts it is using (lsof -n -p 12345 | grep
'\.ttf$') compare to where it is broken and see if there
is a difference where 12345 is the pid
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3448[19:57:27] <`Kevin> that should to some extent at least rule
out one possibility
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3449[19:57:45] <cronicx> jelly: why does the chaik says that i
need 2.15? ( /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version
`GLIBC_2.15' not found )
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3450[19:57:53] <cronicx> *check
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3451[19:58:07] <Freemon> Kevin u think its font issue?
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3452[19:58:59] <`Kevin> im not sure what else to check offhand
but that sone possibility as others also noted yea
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3456[20:00:11] <greycat> If installing whatever fonts you can
think of to make
replaced-url
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3461[20:00:45] <kms_> how to turn alert sounds off in gnome
shell?
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3462[20:01:10] <kms_> after reboot it turned on again
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3463[20:01:43] <BluesKaj> maxxe, I can only say thet kde/plasma
has been very stable on my old pc (2008 vintage), everything works
fine, even the legacy nvidia-340 driver
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3467[20:01:58] <Freemon> thx
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3469[20:02:47] <maxxe> BluesKaj, okey. perhaps I should upgrade.
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3470[20:03:04] <BluesKaj> maxxe, which DE?
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3473[20:03:23] <maxxe> de?
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3474[20:03:29] <Freemon> Pycharm IDe
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3475[20:03:45] <BluesKaj> desktop environment, maxxe
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3477[20:04:07] <maxxe> xfce
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3478[20:04:44] <maxxe> have it on the server too. but there I can
wait to upgrade.
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3480[20:05:08] <BluesKaj> maxxe, think you'll be fine with
xfce afaik
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3483[20:05:50] <maxxe> BluesKaj, yeah. seems like stretch is
close also. 'Debian Stretch ETA 2017-06-17'
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3484[20:06:10] <BluesKaj> yup june 17th
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3485[20:06:14] <greycat> where are you seeing that?
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3488[20:06:24] <jelly> /topic
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3490[20:06:36] <BluesKaj> greycat, topic
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3492[20:06:46] <greycat> OK... where did themill see it? :-/
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3493[20:06:53] <jelly> that would be telling!
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3496[20:07:47] <greycat> Ah,
replaced-url
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3506[20:10:51] <jmcnaught> kms_: you turned them off in settings
> sound > sound effects and set the alert volume to off?
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3507[20:11:42] <kms_> yes
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3508[20:12:19] <jmcnaught> kms_: do you have pavucontrol
installed? can you check that system sounds is muted there?
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3509[20:12:20] <tictacbum> Hello, I am trying to make fn keys
work on a laptop, some are working other not. The vol up/down keys
trigger "press" event on showkey, but not the
"release" one
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3515[20:15:05] <kms_> i am install pavucontrol now
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3518[20:15:18] <kms_> system sounds is muted
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3521[20:15:50] <jmcnaught> so what program is making sounds?
non-GNOME programs aren't necessarily going to use the same
notification system
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3522[20:15:57] <jonspw> Hey, does anyone know if it's
possible to adjust sudo rules in debian live (clonezilla) so that
"sudo su" is not possible from the default
"user"? My rules seem to be having 0 impact and I'm a
bit lost as to why.
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3524[20:16:55] <kms_> i am go to reboot
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3526[20:17:04] <BluesKaj> jonspw, add yourself to the sudo group
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3529[20:17:37] <jonspw> BluesKaj i'm working in the squashfs
file. "user" doesn't seem to actually exist which i
think is the source of my problems. ie it has no entry in
/etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
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3530[20:17:38] <tvm_> alright, what do i do to get through this
gmail "authentication" procedure with Thunderbird on
jessie ? I've had same problem on other platforms, but update
solved that. There's no backport of newer thunderbird for
jessie.
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3532[20:18:15] <jelly> jonspw: what does "id -a" say
when you run it as that default user?
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3534[20:18:31] <jonspw> good one. gonna check.
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3535[20:18:39] <BluesKaj> jonspw, sorry dunno how the live medis
permissions works ,..missed that
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