• 0[00:00:16] <vvor> Sir_Designer: just fused with it for a long time
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• 6[00:02:21] <glick> i see vvor
• 7[00:02:29] <glick> yeah i want to use emacs as the editor for mutt
• 8[00:02:31] <glick> thats what i mean
• 9[00:02:43] <glick> not mutt within emacs
• 10[00:02:56] <glick> im still new to emacs
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• 12[00:03:19] <vvor> that's good
• 13[00:03:38] <glick> i havent used gnu in a long time
• 14[00:03:48] <glick> a good 3 plus years
• 15[00:03:54] <glick> so forgot a bunch of stuff
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• 17[00:04:18] <Sir_Designer> it's cool. see if emacs stars nice and fast in the shell. if it does, no problem
• 18[00:04:36] <glick> right now i use mate
• 19[00:04:48] <glick> i3 looks kina cool
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• 21[00:05:17] <nullbyte_> how can i add from grub2-update uefi Windows 10 to grub i have os-prober.. becouse by default grub doesnt add uefi
• 22[00:05:47] <Lowl3v3l> glick: there are way more tiling wm's and their combinations. e.g. i use xfce but with a tiling window manager underneath :D
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• 24[00:06:14] <glick> i see Lowl3v3l
• 25[00:06:14] <vvor> glick: if you are in to that... checkout DWM
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• 27[00:06:37] <glick> i dont know what im into, like i said ive been away from gnu for a good 4 years or so
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• 31[00:09:56] <vvor> glick: my 2c, jump in! but first preppier a good working setup that you can go back to. After taht go exotic i.e. tiling etc.
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• 34[00:13:36] <vvor> glick: Don't swallow it all at once. Get a hang of Emacs move on to Mutt then to tiling WM...
• 35[00:13:40] <glick> goof advices vvor
• 36[00:13:47] <glick> good
• 37[00:13:48] <glick> lol
• 38[00:14:11] <klow> Anyone know if its possible to add "margins" (blank space) to a linux console (like not X-Windows but just tty1). I have a typing-only laptop I use with nano and Id like to move the text more towards center screen on this old laptop .. make sense?
• 39[00:14:22] <glick> in irssi alt-arrows are used to change channels
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• 41[00:14:36] <glick> i3 alt-arros are used to change windows
• 42[00:14:39] <glick> so what do you do?
• 43[00:14:52] <glick> in that situation
• 44[00:14:53] <glick> ?
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• 46[00:15:25] <vvor> remap :-)
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• 49[00:16:07] <vvor> or use DWM ;-)
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• 58[00:19:25] <vvor> klow: does'nt nano it occupy the hole screen?
• 59[00:19:57] <klow> vvor: it does. So im trying to figure out a way if i can shrink and center the TTY itself
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• 62[00:20:23] <klow> I can shrink it, but it shrinks to the top left corner (with SCREEN_WIDTH/HEIGH environment varaibles followed by "setupcon" command)
• 63[00:20:50] <klow> But I use this laptop for nothing but typing into nano , and I would like to center nano a bit so I am not always looking at the far left of the laptop screen
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• 68[00:21:00] <klow> since what I am writing is usually short lines (lyrics)
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• 71[00:22:14] <vvor> klow: you can run it in screen
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• 73[00:23:17] <vvor> klow: split it with something, as a hack
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• 79[00:26:54] <vvor> klow: C-a | // Create a split
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• 81[00:27:34] <klow> vvor : thats not a bad idea. thanks
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• 83[00:27:45] <vvor> klow: C-a <Tab> // Move to the split
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• 85[00:28:09] <vvor> klow: C-a c // Create a new window within the split
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• 121[00:54:32] <mohammad-ghasemi> how to know my debian version
• 122[00:54:32] <mohammad-ghasemi> ?
• 123[00:54:42] <cafuego> cat /etc/debian_version
• 124[00:54:48] <cafuego> or 'lsb-release -a'
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• 126[00:54:54] <mohammad-ghasemi> cafuego: thank you
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• 128[00:55:04] <cafuego> Sorry, `lsb_release -a`
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• 134[00:58:37] <debuser34509438> Hello guys. I am using Debian for the first time. I booted from a live USB, and want to try the distro first. I wanted to install Google Chrome, downloaded the .deb, but unfortunately, there are no package managers present. There is no apt, synaptic, aptitde, etc. How can i fix this?
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• 137[00:59:18] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Thay are present, but 'apt' isn't actually a command you can run.
• 138[00:59:30] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Use `dpkg -i foobar.deb` to install a local package.
• 139[00:59:46] <missmbob> uh. of course apt is a command you can run
• 140[00:59:52] <cafuego> debuser34509438: If that fails ebcasue of a missing dependency, run `apt-get -f install`
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• 142[01:00:38] <cafuego> missmbob: Ha! Goes to show how often I try that ;-)
• 143[01:00:48] <debuser34509438> cafuego: dpkg: command not found
• 144[01:01:11] <cafuego> debuser34509438: Not present as /usr/bin/dpkg ?
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• 151[01:02:22] <debuser34509438> Nope
• 152[01:02:43] <debuser34509438> I will try with apt-get -f install
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• 154[01:02:55] <cafuego> debuser34509438: That won't work on a local file
• 155[01:03:14] <debuser34509438> unfortunately apt-get is not present too
• 156[01:03:37] <cafuego> which live usb archive did you download?
• 157[01:03:39] <missmbob> you have to be root for all
• 158[01:04:01] <cafuego> missmbob: True, but even if not root, usr/bin should be in $PATH
• 159[01:04:05] <debuser34509438> I've downloaded the xfce debian, i guess the latest version
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• 162[01:06:01] <debuser34509438> So, will there be a way for me to install Chrome? :)
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• 164[01:06:36] <debuser34509438> Can't see a software-center or something similar
• 165[01:07:22] <missmbob> i told you. become root
• 166[01:07:26] <debuser34509438> i did.
• 167[01:07:38] <debuser34509438> everything was written in root
• 168[01:08:13] <missmbob> then you're not using debian
• 169[01:08:26] <debuser34509438> -.-
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• 174[01:10:33] <debuser34509438> replaced-url
• 175[01:10:36] <debuser34509438> Here you are
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• 179[01:13:56] <cafuego> debuser34509438: echo $PATH
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• 181[01:16:11] <tymczenko> I have a question. Why do I never receive notifications about available updates? I'm using Jessie 8.8, gnome. There should be some notifications. When I open GUI updater there are no available packages until I go to terminal and execute "apt-get update". Any suggestions?
• 182[01:16:30] <cafuego> debuser34509438: And also, cat /etc/debian_version
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• 184[01:17:07] <missmbob> tymczenko: i dont doubt it. 8.8 is just a few days old. stable doesnt get a lot of updates. it's stable
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• 188[01:18:02] <debuser34509438_> had to change the web client, kiwi irc is very buggy
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• 191[01:18:50] <tymczenko> missmbob, but again, when I execute 'apt-get update' my GUI updater shows me some packages available to update. But still I have no notifications. It's very strange
• 192[01:19:01] <cafuego> tymczenko: unless you have some periodic task fetching updates, there won't be any
• 193[01:19:11] <debuser34509438_> this is what i get when i execute the PATH command /usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin
• 194[01:19:18] <cafuego> tymczenko: If there's a cron task, check syslog to see if it in fact runs
• 195[01:19:20] <missmbob> tymczenko: make a cronjob
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• 197[01:19:42] <cafuego> tymczenko: There's `cron-apt` to do that for you, afaik.
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• 199[01:21:06] <tymczenko> cafuego, missmbob , okay, I'll use some cron. But I've read today in 'debian-handbook' that if I have Gnome I should receive desktop notifications and don't need to bother about cron... that's why I'm here and asking you guys. If you suggest me to use cron, I'll do it. I just wanted to be sure that this is the right way :)
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• 201[01:21:42] <debuser34509438_> Anyone willing to help me use a package manager?
• 202[01:21:48] <cafuego> tymczenko: I don't use Gnome on Debian (or any gui) so I can't really comment on whether that should work or not.
• 203[01:22:02] <debuser34509438_> apt, dpkg, aptitude, none of them are present, i don't know why
• 204[01:22:14] <glick> d
• 205[01:22:14] <cafuego> debuser34509438_: `cat /etc/debian_version`
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• 208[01:22:32] <tymczenko> cafuego, do you use it as desktop system or as a server? I'm just curious
• 209[01:23:01] <cafuego> tymczenko: as a server (and VMs, and docker images, however inadvisably)
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• 212[01:24:20] <debuser34509438_> cafuego: replaced-url
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• 214[01:24:45] <cafuego> debuser34509438_: You're not using debian.
• 215[01:24:47] <missmbob> right. not debian
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• 217[01:24:52] <vook> what makes you think you are using debian debuser34509438_ ?
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• 221[01:25:38] <debuser34509438_> -.- ...
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• 223[01:26:17] <cafuego> Srsly.
• 224[01:26:40] <jerware> well his name is debuser
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• 228[01:27:10] <cafuego> i can set my name to windowsuser
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• 234[01:28:04] <vook> I think fedora live sets the hostname to localhost-live
• 235[01:28:10] <debuser34509438_> I want to make an excuse to all of you guys. I am using Fedora, and apparantly i have joined #debian, instead of #fedora. Sorry for wasting your time :$.
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• 237[01:28:21] <tymczenko> cafuego, just for a minute I imagined you as my new super-hero who using Lynx, Vim and other old-school stuff and never opens GUI :)) okay, thanks for your help, I'll learn something about Cron now and will try to handle my updates properly
• 238[01:28:48] <cafuego> tymczenko: That's what I *do* use :-)
• 239[01:29:04] <tymczenko> cafuego, Lynx, srsly?
• 240[01:29:07] <cafuego> Well, not so much lynx, but wget and curl.
• 241[01:29:10] <vook> yeah, tell them in #fedora that apt, dpkg, etc. aren't installed ;)
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• 244[01:29:36] <cafuego> tymczenko: actual browsing I do on the laptop (don't tell anyone, it runs osx)
• 245[01:29:41] <tymczenko> cafuego, that is more oldschool than I could have imagined))
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• 247[01:29:58] <cafuego> tymczenko: Started in 1994, never learned any new tricks
• 248[01:30:06] <tymczenko> cafuego, haha
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• 267[01:39:55] <glick> hi amdgoon
• 268[01:40:00] <ForceRecon> is icedove still considered better than thunderbird
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• 270[01:40:56] <bazhang> ,v icedove
• 271[01:40:57] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3
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• 274[01:41:10] <bazhang> ForceRecon, what do you mean still
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• 276[01:41:48] <ForceRecon> just curious because it is not included in debian
• 277[01:41:52] <missmbob> they're identical. just rebranded
• 278[01:41:55] <ForceRecon> at least not under internet
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• 280[01:42:11] <bazhang> same thing, different name
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• 284[01:42:32] <ForceRecon> okeedo
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• 287[01:43:17] <ForceRecon> Icedove was the Debian project's rebranded version of the Mozilla Thunderbird e-mail client. In February 2017, Thunderbird packages were reintroduced into the Debian repositories,[9] and on April 20, 2017, the Icedove package in Debian Stable was de-branded back to Thunderbird.
• 288[01:43:23] <ForceRecon> interesting
• 289[01:43:27] <glick> hi can someone please send me a private message?
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• 291[01:43:36] <glick> i want to see what that looks like on irssi
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• 293[01:43:48] <missmbob> glick: /msg dpkg
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• 297[01:44:40] <glick> missmbob: i want to see what it looks like if i recieve a PM
• 298[01:44:58] <ForceRecon> i sent one..
• 299[01:45:03] <missmbob> glick: yeah. say anything to dpkg and it'll reply
• 300[01:45:17] <glick> hmm thanks missmbob ForceRecon
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• 305[01:45:41] <n_blownapart> hi I cannot seem to install emacs on a 32bit debian jessie 8 machine. It seems like I do have it installed. I was removing some files (virtual emacsen? ones) so probably screwed up. here is the sources.list file to potentially save time. thank you replaced-url
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• 314[01:48:15] <phogg> n_blownapart: you can maybe run apt-get with --reinstall to repair if you deleted some files that need to exist.
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• 316[01:49:04] <n_blownapart> excellent phogg thanks I'll try it
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• 318[01:51:24] <n_blownapart> phogg please look at this ... :
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• 320[01:52:11] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
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• 326[01:56:58] <n_blownapart> hi I cannot seem to install emacs on a 32bit debian jessie 8 machine. It seems like I do have it installed. I was removing some files (virtual emacsen? ones) so probably screwed up. here is the sources.list file to potentially save time. thank you replaced-url
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• 328[01:57:16] <n_blownapart> sorry ignore that ^^
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• 353[02:11:14] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. Somewhat newb question. What is the correct way to write an ISO to USB? I've done dd in the past but seem to always get errors when I do that
• 354[02:11:36] <econdudeawesome> for the record, trying to make a LiveUSB
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• 357[02:13:11] <epsilon> which iso? if debian-installer or debian-live, dd is fine
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• 360[02:13:41] <econdudeawesome> Okay. If I want to expand beyond debian-installer or debian-live, what should I do?
• 361[02:13:41] <at0m|c> econdudeawesome: live iso doesnt support EFI boot. maybe install to a usb stick instead of writing the live iso to stick
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• 363[02:13:50] <at0m|c> replaced-url
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• 368[02:16:15] <glick> i /msg dpkg hi
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• 376[02:20:33] <robert45> hi guys, does anyone know anything about strace? This is the output Im seeing but I dont understand what is it doing replaced-url
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• 382[02:22:54] <econdudeawesome> Shoot. If I accidentally deleted a partition, is there a way to recover the data?
• 383[02:23:14] <econdudeawesome> Important lesson--sdb is not sda...
• 384[02:23:28] <bazhang> restore from backups
• 385[02:24:29] <nine_milli> bazhang: please be topical
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• 387[02:25:00] <bazhang> nine_milli, restoring from backups is very topical here
• 388[02:25:45] <missmbob> good advice for that issue, too
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• 392[02:26:24] <econdudeawesome> unfortunately too late I think though, current backup a bit dated
• 393[02:26:33] <star> parted has some ability to recover deleted partitions, if you know roughtly where it began and ended...
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• 395[02:26:35] <abrotman> did you format it, or just delete it ?
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• 398[02:26:56] <star> check their docs, I've only ever tried it once, sucessfully, so I don't claim expert-status
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• 400[02:27:00] <econdudeawesome> I thought the operation canceled >_<
• 401[02:27:09] <abrotman> which ?
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• 403[02:27:13] <econdudeawesome> Format
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• 405[02:28:11] <econdudeawesome> I intended to format my backup external hard disk to copy over the data in anticipation of reformatting the disk. Ooops :(
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• 408[02:29:00] <econdudeawesome> I have multiple partitions set up on the hard drive and wiped the personal media partition (music/home videos). Most of it is backed up, but if I can get at it via restore that would be really awesome
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• 416[02:32:20] <econdudeawesome> star I'll check it out
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• 437[02:48:03] <econdudeawesome> ddrescue to the rescue
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• 453[03:05:49] <glick> i /msg dpkg hi
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• 455[03:06:01] <abrotman> glick: okay, and?
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• 490[03:22:01] <n_blownapart> hello on a debian jessie 32bit, how do I absolutely remove everyting pertaining to emacs everywhere ?
• 491[03:22:21] <n_blownapart> apt-get remove emacs does not seem to be working
• 492[03:22:24] <glick> why in the world would anyone wanna do that
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• 494[03:22:42] <n_blownapart> please humor me
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• 496[03:23:45] <abrotman> what is left?
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• 501[03:24:49] <n_blownapart> abrotman, I cannot apt-get remove emacs and then install a fresh package. It seems to still be installed.
• 502[03:25:43] <n_blownapart> it doesn't prompt me for "y" and it seems to "install" way too fast. or give messages such as "already latest version"
• 503[03:26:08] <abrotman> n_blownapart: then that's the question you shuld ask .. what are you actually trying to do?
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• 505[03:26:41] <n_blownapart> It won't launch, it won't remove so that I can install fresh. It's a ghost
• 506[03:27:08] <abrotman> when you run it from the console, what's the error?
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• 509[03:27:49] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: you should be able to just apt-get remove or apt-get purge the emacs packages you want to get rid of, providing nothing else is installed that depends on them.
• 510[03:27:49] <n_blownapart> command not found. I have an alias in .bashrc, "em" and that yields nothing
• 511[03:28:14] <n_blownapart> oh yeah I forgot about purge pingfloyd
• 512[03:28:46] <pingfloyd> purge or remove depends if you want to keep around their configuration
• 513[03:28:47] <abrotman> n_blownapart: you could "aptitude reinstall emacs" ?
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• 516[03:29:54] <n_blownapart> purge is fine. but purge returns: "emacs is not installed, so not removed"
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• 518[03:30:03] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: are you trying to get rid of emacs, or actually reinstall with the default config?
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• 520[03:30:40] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: if you've already remove it, you can't use apt-get purge to remove the config files, but there is a way to remove the residual config (a few ways).
• 521[03:30:46] <n_blownapart> reinstall with the default config would be fine. I deleted .emacs.d manually
• 522[03:30:52] <abrotman> jesus
• 523[03:31:01] <n_blownapart> no good? hehe
• 524[03:31:05] <abrotman> n_blownapart: "dpkg -l | grep emacs" what do you see?
• 525[03:31:47] <n_blownapart> one moment please abrotman pingfloyd
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• 527[03:33:15] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
• 528[03:33:32] <n_blownapart> abrotman, pingfloyd ^
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• 531[03:35:28] <abrotman> n_blownapart: aptitude reinstall emacs24
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• 534[03:35:38] <n_blownapart> ok cool one moment
• 535[03:37:40] <n_blownapart> You are SAINTS abrotman pingfloyd thanks kindly
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• 538[03:40:44] <abrotman> n_blownapart: all good?
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• 605[04:17:09] <TinkerTiger> Well, I suppose I should go back in my logs and see why this box shut down a few days ago.
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• 609[04:21:32] <TinkerTiger> What's the best log to find a general error, if there was one, which cause my computer to shut down?
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• 611[04:21:52] <TinkerTiger> syslog?
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• 614[04:22:33] <TinkerTiger> Nope.
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• 621[04:29:55] <foul_owl> Is there any way to see how many times a package has been downloaded from the repos? Ie, am I the only person using this binary or are other people using it too?
• 622[04:30:26] <ryouma> foul_owl: popularity contest is one rough estimate, but dunno whether it is accurate
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• 627[04:32:17] <foul_owl> Aha!
• 628[04:32:19] <foul_owl> Thank you
• 629[04:32:27] <foul_owl> Just want a rough estimate here. Thanks!
• 630[04:32:52] <ryouma> yw. i used it to choose various packages.
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• 635[04:34:43] <nerdbios> hellow
• 636[04:35:10] * TinkerTiger waves.
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• 647[04:40:27] <glick> hi
• 648[04:40:45] <glick> hey does anyone know if there is a way to convert .swf video files to something more gnu friendly?
• 649[04:41:05] <glick> i tried various online converters but they all fail
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• 655[04:44:46] <lendo> vlc ?
• 656[04:45:12] <TinkerTiger> Hmm, no indication of what happened in messages.
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• 661[04:47:05] <lendo> glick: replaced-url
• 662[04:48:02] <TinkerTiger> As a former SWF Interactive Developer, I can not allow that! Oh, well, go ahead.
• 663[04:48:17] <TinkerTiger> More dead technology.
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• 666[04:48:51] <mutante> maybe it helps to first convert it to Silverlight. /me hides
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• 704[05:50:22] <Wegg> does anyone have any experience installing Jessie on newer hardware? Specifically NVMe drives?
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• 710[05:55:25] <jmcnaught> Wegg: i've seen some people do it on IRC
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• 712[05:56:01] <Wegg> I have found a guide and I managed to do it last night but I got a lot of errors that made the install un-usable.
• 713[05:56:01] <jmcnaught> some of them needed to upgrade to a kernel from jessie-backports while still in the installer environment (before first boot)
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• 715[05:56:22] <Wegg> Right. I need to do jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
• 716[05:56:29] <Wegg> and then get grud-efi
• 717[05:56:40] <jmcnaught> sounds right
• 718[05:57:27] <Wegg> It's just the resulting install keeps giving a ton of errors when you are in a terminal. So much so that I couldn't install nvidia drivers or do anything. . .
• 719[05:57:58] <jmcnaught> let's start with the errors then
• 720[05:58:00] <Wegg> Once I'm in an X session I guess it hides all those errors from me.
• 721[05:58:12] <Wegg> Ok let me get to that point again and I'll let you know what's happening.
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• 723[05:58:16] <Wegg> Thank you jmcnaught
• 724[05:58:16] <jmcnaught> wait
• 725[05:58:36] <jmcnaught> if you're in X, we can find the errors in the logs
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• 727[05:59:11] <Wegg> Well I started over just now so . . no logs.
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• 732[06:02:25] <jmcnaught> general rule of thumb with Debian is that if you can boot into a working system, the rest you can fix in a terminal emulator window in X
• 733[06:02:38] <jmcnaught> some exceptions of course
• 734[06:03:27] <Wegg> exception = installing Nvidia's drivers. :-(
• 735[06:03:50] <jmcnaught> not for most people
• 736[06:04:17] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 740[06:06:36] <Wegg> ok so jessie with the updated kernel, after I have installed and try and launch with the updated kernel I get a wall of errors.
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• 743[06:07:40] <Wegg> replaced-url
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• 746[06:08:21] <Wegg> No sprom
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• 748[06:08:47] <jmcnaught> but it eventually gets to a graphical login?
• 749[06:09:05] <Wegg> nope.
• 750[06:09:23] <jmcnaught> have you tried installing stretch?
• 751[06:09:26] <Wegg> ok I think sprom is the wifi. I'll dissable that in the bios and start over.
• 752[06:09:52] <Wegg> stretch = same thing.
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• 755[06:10:26] <Wegg> Ubuntu and Mint both worked and I TRIED to adapt to using both but after a day on each was hating it.
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• 757[06:10:51] <jmcnaught> have you tried with an install image that has non-free firmwares on it?
• 758[06:10:53] <nine_milli> man this chatroom is boring
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• 760[06:11:13] <nine_milli> at least #linux has occasional trolls
• 761[06:11:39] <jmcnaught> Wegg: this one for example? replaced-url
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• 763[06:12:18] <Wegg> Well the only reason I'm kind of stuck with using this iso is that it has crunchbang linux pre-configured. With openbox etc. It's what I have been using for YEARS. All the keyboard shortcuts etc. And they don't make crunchbang any more. . . but it's 99.99% Debian so it SHOULD work.
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• 765[06:12:32] <Wegg> It uses the debian repositories, just configured slightly different.
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• 767[06:13:33] <jmcnaught> crunchbang is not supported here, please try with an official Debian installer image
• 768[06:14:21] <jmcnaught> then you can do the 0.01% non-Debian stuff after you have a working install ☺
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• 772[06:14:54] <Wegg> Yea I thought of going that rout.
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• 774[06:15:27] <Wegg> Ooo I did get rid of the sprom error.
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• 776[06:15:31] <nine_milli> pingfloyd be my #linux proxy
• 777[06:17:05] <jmcnaught> instead of keeping all your customizations in a custom installer for an obsolete distro, you could look at alternatives like keeping your ~/.$DOTFILES in git repos, perhaps managed with GNU stow, or make an Ansible playbook that sets all that stuff up for you (good learning exercise and Ansible is easy if you already know how to use ssh)
• 778[06:17:31] <jmcnaught> (not that you'd use ssh for localhost necessarily…)
• 779[06:18:58] <Wegg> I'm on my #! install right now and it ONLY has debian repositories. I took out anything else. So you are saying I can install vanilla Debian and then move over all these configurations?
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• 781[06:19:37] <jmcnaught> if you're talking about config files in /etc and your user's home directory, then yes
• 782[06:20:37] <jmcnaught> if you mean some esoteric crunchbang package or unique config system that #debian knows nothing about, my advice is to look for alternatives so you're not in this position of needing to use that obsolete ISO anymore
• 783[06:21:15] <Wegg> does anyone make/support an openbox/debian distribution?
• 784[06:21:30] <jmcnaught> ,v openbox
• 785[06:21:32] <judd> Package: openbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.0-7; wheezy-backports: 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.5.2-8+deb8u1; sid: 3.6.1-4; stretch: 3.6.1-4
• 786[06:21:47] <jmcnaught> you don't need an openbox distro, just install openbox in Debian
• 787[06:22:20] <Wegg> tried that. installed openbox, logged out of gnome and it wasn't even listed as an option to boot into like the guides said. Just Gnome and Gnome classic.
• 788[06:23:32] <jmcnaught> one way of looking at it is Debian has this massive network of volunteers that fix bugs, close security vulnerabilities etc. Forks of Debian are usually run and maintained by a much smaller group of people. Yes they are able to absorb most of the work done by Debian, but can you be assured that they're able to keep up with it all?
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• 791[06:24:07] <Wegg> yea. . . that's why I'm back trying this rout
• 792[06:24:42] <jmcnaught> getting openbox as an option on the login screen is in the category of stuff that you can fix if Debian boots properly
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• 795[06:25:41] <Wegg> well I might just give that a shot. Thank you for your help jmcnaught
• 796[06:25:49] <jmcnaught> no problem, good luck
• 797[06:27:01] <jmcnaught> you won't regret it, there's a false impression out there that Debian is more difficult than many of its forks, but personally I find it easiest overall
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• 799[06:29:40] <Wegg> I really wish the crunchbang developers had worked more closely with the Debian developers and made it more of an official re-mix.
• 800[06:30:21] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 801[06:30:31] <TinkerTiger> Wait, what? Debian difficult? Ha!
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• 805[06:32:18] <GumShoe_> I'm trying to enable ipv4 on a beaglebone blue from bash not the gui. I'm sshed in over usb. I have wifi connected but only ipv6.
• 806[06:32:49] <jmcnaught> GumShoe_: how is wifi configured?
• 807[06:33:13] <GumShoe_> Not sure what you're asking
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• 809[06:33:29] <GumShoe_> ifconfig show wlan0 up but only with ipv6 no ipv4
• 810[06:33:41] <jmcnaught> what did you do to make wifi work?
• 811[06:33:49] <GumShoe_> connmanctl
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• 813[06:35:09] <Neurorebel> hi, im trying to make a custom dictionary for spelling
• 814[06:35:26] <Neurorebel> and i decided to come here before ruining it
• 815[06:35:44] <Neurorebel> where should I put the wordlist?
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• 817[06:36:14] <Neurorebel> should i rename it as /usr/shatre/words?
• 818[06:36:36] <Neurorebel> or only i should copy it to /usr/share/dict ?
• 819[06:36:46] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: you should not overwrite files provided by packages
• 820[06:36:50] <pingfloyd> lol, before ruining it
• 821[06:36:51] <Neurorebel> should i rename it as /usr/share/dict/words?
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• 823[06:37:06] <Wegg> Neurorebel: I think you can add custom words/spelling to Aspell
• 824[06:37:23] <Neurorebel> i also tryied some of that
• 825[06:37:35] <Neurorebel> but aspell as i see it is totally dead
• 826[06:37:50] <pingfloyd> what's a spellchecker without some ruined words in it?
• 827[06:38:33] <Neurorebel> echo bullet|aspell list=bullet
• 828[06:38:48] <Neurorebel> agree pingfloyd
• 829[06:39:17] <Neurorebel> really i dont have a clear idea of how spell checking works
• 830[06:39:29] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: first I would try putting the new list in /usr/local/share/dict
• 831[06:39:36] <Neurorebel> for example im now using xchat
• 832[06:39:55] <jmcnaught> that's what /usr/local is for, local versions (not from packages) of files that belong in /usr
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• 834[06:40:02] <Neurorebel> why not usr/share/dict ?
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• 837[06:40:40] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: /usr should only be written to by packages, not the user/system admin. /usr/local is provided for this
• 838[06:41:00] <Neurorebel> then any file that I copy on usr/share/local/dict and usr/share/dict is used?
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• 841[06:41:26] <Neurorebel> then is just a convention
• 842[06:41:33] <jmcnaught> that's what should happen, and why i said you should try putting it in /usr/local first
• 843[06:41:57] <Neurorebel> no that i know i will respect it
• 844[06:42:03] <jmcnaught> disobey the convention, and apt/dpkg may very well overwrite your file
• 845[06:42:13] <Neurorebel> also i fear that aspell is dead
• 846[06:42:40] <jmcnaught> i don't know for sure that aspell follows that convention, you could check in /usr/share/doc/aspell especially the README.Debian if there is one
• 847[06:42:57] <jmcnaught> but it's definitely what i would try first
• 848[06:43:00] <Neurorebel> im wrong but its using only spanish dictionary
• 849[06:43:29] <Neurorebel> aspell helthy living
• 850[06:43:59] <Neurorebel> i was wrong but i still dont know how to switch between languages
• 851[06:44:43] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: /usr/share/dict/README.select-wordlist mentions a script
• 852[06:45:35] <Neurorebel> can I make a multilingual dictionary?
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• 854[06:45:50] <Neurorebel> surely i can
• 855[06:46:27] <Neurorebel> jmcnaught, then i only can switch on the global?
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• 857[06:46:52] <Wegg> jmcnaught: what is the official way of making a stretch net-install usb stick?
• 858[06:46:55] <jmcnaught> why would it make sense to have multiple defaults globally?
• 859[06:46:55] <Neurorebel> lets say that i want that this program stop checking for spanish words
• 860[06:47:08] <Wegg> Cause what I just tried didn't work
• 861[06:47:46] <jmcnaught> Wegg: cp debian.iso /dev/$USB_DEVICE where $USB_DEVICE will be sdh or something, but not sdh1 (target the device, not a partition)
• 862[06:47:53] <Neurorebel> i only want to switch languages that is the truth as im bilingual
• 863[06:48:41] <jmcnaught> Wegg: replaced-url
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• 865[06:49:36] <Wegg> thank you jmcnaught
• 866[06:49:42] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: i suggest reading the aspell man page to find options to select the dictionary you want, and then making aliases
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• 868[06:50:47] <Neurorebel> then aspell is doing the check for xchat?
• 869[06:51:02] <Neurorebel> does firefox use another method?
• 870[06:51:06] <jmcnaught> oh this is about xchat?
• 871[06:51:13] <Neurorebel> is it
• 872[06:51:17] <Neurorebel> it is
• 873[06:51:21] <jmcnaught> firefox has its own spellcheck dictionaries
• 874[06:51:27] <Neurorebel> more or less
• 875[06:51:27] <uxfi> Xchat is good
• 876[06:51:32] <Neurorebel> ahhh
• 877[06:51:41] <Neurorebel> that clears some part
• 878[06:51:49] <Neurorebel> xchat uses aspell?
• 879[06:52:02] <jmcnaught> i don't know what xchat uses, i use irssi
• 880[06:52:11] <uxfi> yeah
• 881[06:52:32] <Neurorebel> talked the "i dont use X" man...
• 882[06:52:56] <Neurorebel> then the thing is clearified
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• 884[06:54:41] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: in firefox there is a dictionaries tab on about:addons
• 885[06:55:26] <Neurorebel> i will fix that later
• 886[06:55:27] <jmcnaught> and firefox-esr depends on libhunspell-1.4-0
• 887[06:55:37] <Neurorebel> im concerned about aspell now
• 888[06:55:57] <Neurorebel> because it seems to use a separate dictionary folder
• 889[06:56:04] <Neurorebel> "/usr/share/aspell"
• 890[06:56:55] <Neurorebel> what exactly is there?
• 891[06:57:35] <jmcnaught> i don't know you're probably going to have to spend some time reading the aspell documentation
• 892[06:57:43] <Neurorebel> and if it uses /usr/share/aspell what is /usr/share/dict for?
• 893[06:58:05] <Neurorebel> that is what confused me
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• 895[06:58:30] <Neurorebel> what a lot iof time!
• 896[06:58:54] <Neurorebel> im about to desist
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• 899[07:00:17] <Neurorebel> there is also ispell
• 900[07:00:31] <Neurorebel> and it is installed in my system too
• 901[07:01:00] <Neurorebel> a single dictionary file for the entire sys, awsome!
• 902[07:01:31] <jmcnaught> yeah there are a few, aspell might not use /usr/share/dict/words at all
• 903[07:03:25] <Neurorebel> then for what are those for??
• 904[07:03:37] <Neurorebel> just for brutforcing?
• 905[07:04:00] <jmcnaught> or an the anagram generator
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• 907[07:05:37] <jmcnaught> probably lots of programs expect a simple list of words available there, but spellcheckers use their own dictionary files that have more metadata
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• 914[07:08:42] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I follow the instructions to make a bootable flash drive, I put it into my system, I boot into that flash drive and all i get is a blinky prompt
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• 917[07:09:26] <Wegg> I have always just used UNetbootin in the past but that doesn't even work with stretch net install iso files
• 918[07:09:40] <jmcnaught> !unetbootin
• 919[07:09:40] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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• 922[07:12:24] <pingfloyd> more like unotbootin
• 923[07:12:40] <TinkerTiger> I had trouble with it.
• 924[07:12:57] <pingfloyd> unetbootin is pretty much shit, so don't feel bad
• 925[07:13:07] * Wegg rubs his temples
• 926[07:13:58] <TinkerTiger> I don't feel anything. I just took my night-time drugs. *crash* ;)
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• 930[07:14:26] <pingfloyd> Wegg: you should just copy the image right to the usb stick
• 931[07:14:33] <jmcnaught> Wegg: can you show us exactly the command you used to copy the the image?
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• 933[07:15:37] <Wegg> cp debian-stretch-DI-rc4-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdd1
• 934[07:15:49] <pingfloyd> Wegg: copy it to the device, not its partition
• 935[07:15:56] <pingfloyd> so you'd want /dev/sdd instead in your case
• 936[07:15:58] <jmcnaught> Wegg: you copied it to a partition on the device, the instructions (including mine) are to copy it to the device
• 937[07:15:58] <Neurorebel> funny they were discussing the same thing the last time that i came here
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• 940[07:16:23] <jmcnaught> debian installer images are already partitioned
• 941[07:16:24] <Neurorebel> seems that usb booting is not as in the past
• 942[07:16:32] <pingfloyd> Neurorebel: issues are weird like that
• 943[07:16:47] <Neurorebel> what is accented english??
• 944[07:16:51] <pingfloyd> Neurorebel: like you'll be talking about some issue and someone pops in with the same issue
• 945[07:17:06] <Neurorebel> pingfloyd, always are the same
• 946[07:17:16] <Neurorebel> com,puters are so repetitive...
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• 948[07:17:43] <Neurorebel> still dont heppened to me
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• 950[07:17:58] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: presumably its a version of the english dictionary that includes accents on words borrowed from other languages, like déja vu
• 951[07:18:14] <Neurorebel> ahh
• 952[07:18:42] <Wegg> woo hoo! Debian GNU/Linux installer boot menu! (phew)
• 953[07:18:44] <Neurorebel> sinmce im a foreign speaker my comprehension of enmglish grammatic uis limited
• 954[07:18:47] <Wegg> and now the fun begins.
• 955[07:19:09] <Neurorebel> a blue screen somewhere
• 956[07:19:14] <Neurorebel> with options
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• 961[07:21:20] <jmcnaught> Neurorebel: it's the same for a lot of native English speakers actually :P
• 962[07:21:55] <GumShoe_> @jmcnaught I got it working like this: connmanctl config wifi_redacted_managed_psk --ipv4 dhcp 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.1
• 963[07:21:56] <Neurorebel> since you pronounce a "ai"
• 964[07:22:27] <jmcnaught> GumShoe_: cool
• 965[07:22:27] <Neurorebel> dont cheat that are two letters not one
• 966[07:22:38] <Neurorebel> "ou"
• 967[07:23:13] <Neurorebel> the opopssite goes with french
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• 969[07:23:31] <Neurorebel> "eau"
• 970[07:24:14] <uxfi> over 9000000
• 971[07:24:15] <uxfi> heh
• 972[07:24:24] <uxfi> hi Neurorebel sir
• 973[07:24:49] <Neurorebel> hi uxfi
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• 979[07:30:52] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I'm at the software selection screen where it asks me to install a desktop environment. Openbox is not one of the options. Which one should I just go with for now? Or should I just stick with command line and install openbox that way so there is no conflict?
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• 982[07:31:59] <Wegg> I guess "Debian desktop environment" is the default.
• 983[07:32:06] <jmcnaught> Wegg: the default is GNOME
• 984[07:32:43] <jmcnaught> you don't need to install one now, you can install openbox and stuff from the CLI after first boot. But it doesn't hurt to have one installed as a backup, or to use while you get openbox set up
• 985[07:32:53] <jmcnaught> lxde and xfce are both pretty lightweight
• 986[07:33:43] <mutante> Wegg: personally, i would do the default , GNOME. and you can always change it later to about a dozen different ones. another one i like is Enlightenment DR17
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• 988[07:34:36] <jmcnaught> GNOME is great and if the computer is new you shouldn't worry about resource usage
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• 990[07:34:53] <jmcnaught> (not that it's actually very heavy)
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• 992[07:38:18] <Wegg> the muscle memory I have for right click-terminal or right click/graphics Blender etc. . . so hard to switch to something different.
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• 994[07:38:45] <jmcnaught> you can have openbox on Debian, it's just not popular enough to make it into the installer menu
• 995[07:38:54] <Wegg> So many new things I want to learn. . . a whole new way of getting to my programs is not one of them.
• 996[07:39:00] * Wegg nods
• 997[07:39:05] <Wegg> that's what I'm hoping
• 998[07:39:22] <Neurorebel> simple bash question, how is the quickest way of convert returns to spaces?
• 999[07:39:43] <TinkerTiger> Peace.
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• 1001[07:40:04] <Neurorebel> I need a list of wors sepated byt spaces and i have it separated by endlines
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• 1003[07:40:54] <bazhang> try #bash
• 1004[07:40:56] <Neurorebel> done
• 1005[07:41:03] <Neurorebel> $(cat)
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• 1013[07:46:02] <Neurorebel> excellent the file "/usr/share/aspell/es.dat" can not be opened for reading.
• 1014[07:46:24] <Wegg> jmcnaught: after all that. . . still the same errors when debian tries to start.
• 1015[07:46:56] <Neurorebel> ls: no se puede acceder a /usr/share/aspell/*.dat: No existe el fichero o el directorio
• 1016[07:47:01] <Wegg> just in a different typefont
• 1017[07:47:20] <Neurorebel> "cannot access" "does not exist"
• 1018[07:47:23] <jmcnaught> Wegg: can you get to any sort of a login?
• 1019[07:48:09] <jmcnaught> if you can log into the system after first boot, then we just solve one problem at a time
• 1020[07:48:10] <Wegg> doesn't look like it.
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• 1022[07:48:34] <markyk> hello friends
• 1023[07:49:11] <markyk> #flood
• 1024[07:49:12] <Wegg> trying recovery
• 1025[07:49:17] <sonOfRa> Neurorebel: I think this is a globbing failure. That error says it's trying to open the file *.dat
• 1026[07:49:25] <sonOfRa> Not all files that have the .dat extension
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• 1028[07:49:37] <Neurorebel> no not that
• 1029[07:49:53] <markyk> hello i have a problem with linux
• 1030[07:49:54] <Neurorebel> it says that is tyrying to open a file that dont exist
• 1031[07:50:20] <Neurorebel> the latter was the result of the ls /././*.dat
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• 1033[07:51:01] <Neurorebel> there isn any .dat file in that folder
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• 1035[07:51:12] <markyk> anyone know hot to download pidgin on linux
• 1036[07:51:15] <Neurorebel> and it searches for es.dat
• 1037[07:51:16] <markyk> how*
• 1038[07:51:33] <Wegg> jmcnaught: "A start job is running for network ... Synchronization (2min /3 min)
• 1039[07:51:34] <mutante> markyk: apt-get install pidgin
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• 1041[07:51:49] <markyk> thanks brother
• 1042[07:51:55] <jmcnaught> Wegg: let it finish?
• 1043[07:52:11] <mutante> markyk: no problem, just make sure to run as root or use "sudo" in front of it
• 1044[07:52:30] <Wegg> another one just starts. This time (3min /4 min)
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• 1047[07:53:28] <jmcnaught> what is the other one? give it a chance to error out if that is what's going to happen
• 1048[07:53:31] <Wegg> if I alt-f3 it does it in that terminal too.
• 1049[07:53:54] <Wegg> just starts over again.
• 1050[07:54:06] <jmcnaught> what starts over again?
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• 1053[07:54:33] <Wegg> "A job is runninf for network ...e Synchronization (48s / 1min 30s)
• 1054[07:54:40] <markyk> mutante: thanks, it has worked.
• 1055[07:54:48] <mutante> markyk: :) welcome
• 1056[07:54:51] <jmcnaught> Wegg: take a look at replaced-url
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• 1058[07:55:58] <Wegg> I'd need terminal access for that jmcnaught
• 1059[07:56:15] <jmcnaught> Wegg: no these are boot options you do in the GRUB menu
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• 1061[07:56:41] <Wegg> oh
• 1062[07:57:11] <markyk> mutante: after running the apt-get pidgin command, the downloaded process has finished but where will i be able to launch this program from?
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• 1064[07:59:32] <jmcnaught> markyk: if you use a desktop environment then Pidgin should be in a menu. Also most programs like Pidgin get installed to /usr/bin which is on your $PATH so you can probably just run "pidgin" from the command line
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• 1073[08:07:39] <Wegg> jmcnaught: this got way past simple
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• 1080[08:08:25] <markyk> jmcnaught: Ive run the apt-get install pidgin command which produces this output----------- Reading package lists... Done
• 1081[08:08:25] <markyk> Building dependency tree
• 1082[08:08:25] <markyk> Reading state information... Done
• 1083[08:08:25] <markyk> The following additional packages will be installed:
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• 1086[08:08:27] <Wegg> I'm at the minimal BASH-like line editing thing in GNU Grub but. . . I haven't got the foggiest idea what these Debugging commands are or what they do etc.
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• 1088[08:09:35] <jmcnaught> Wegg: try solution #3 from that page, add "systemd.unit=rescue.target" (or just "1") to the kernel command line (it should start with linux, and has the word quiet in it)
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• 1092[08:10:46] <jmcnaught> that should get you into a basic boot. if it doesn't, you can reboot and add "systemd.unit=debug-shell.service" to that same line, which opens a root shell on tty9 (alt-f9) early in the boot, so you can run commands and troubleshoot from there
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• 1094[08:11:50] <Aebian> not sure what he is trying to archieve but he could also edit the boot parameter before booting with E and then append on the line starting with linux this: init=/bin/bash
• 1095[08:11:58] <Aebian> and then he gets a root shell
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• 1099[08:12:08] <Wegg> Ok I see linux /boot/vmlinuz-(stuff) quiet do I add that to the line above that stuff?
• 1100[08:12:23] <Aebian> no directly at the end of it
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• 1102[08:12:33] <Wegg> after it says quiet
• 1103[08:12:54] <Aebian> then just append it. It needs to be in the same line
• 1104[08:13:11] <Aebian> just like you would attach a word to a sentence to make it more clear
• 1105[08:13:13] <jelly> also, if you remove the "quiet" word, that will give you more info from the kernel
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• 1111[08:14:46] <Wegg> ok. . .quiet removed
• 1112[08:14:48] <Wegg> F10 to boot
• 1113[08:14:52] <Wegg> here goes nothing
• 1114[08:15:27] <markyk> i am receiving errors when trying to install pidgin and run it
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• 1116[08:15:39] <markyk> i cant seem to understand why
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• 1118[08:16:07] <jmcnaught> markyk: please show us the errors and the commands you've tried in a paste on replaced-url
• 1119[08:16:14] <Wegg> just a wall of text
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• 1133[08:19:34] <Wegg> replaced-url
• 1134[08:20:03] <Wegg> I don't think Debian is compatible with this motherboard/CPU combo
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• 1139[08:21:27] <jmcnaught> is that with quiet removed?
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• 1142[08:21:43] <Wegg> yes
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• 1150[08:23:50] <Wegg> I'll try it with quiet still on
• 1151[08:24:25] <jmcnaught> removing quiet might be too much information all at once, just try to getting a working shell either using rescue.target or debug-shell.service
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• 1154[08:26:44] <Wegg> replaced-url
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• 1158[08:28:37] <jmcnaught> yeah
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• 1163[08:31:14] <Wegg> made a video. Uploading
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• 1166[08:31:56] <Wegg> so weird that ubuntu installs without issue.
• 1167[08:31:57] <Wegg> :-(
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• 1170[08:32:53] <Wegg> replaced-url
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• 1174[08:34:15] <Neurorebel> it took a while but it worked
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• 1176[08:34:57] <Neurorebel> now i have only the words propper of the slang but not the rest of them
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• 1178[08:35:21] <Neurorebel> aspell only knows bad words
• 1179[08:36:05] <Wegg> naughty aspell
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• 1181[08:37:08] <Neurorebel> what are the files that ls list in red?
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• 1185[08:38:37] <Neurorebel> what are the files that ls lists in red?
• 1186[08:39:36] <jmcnaught> usually archives and compressed files are red in ls
• 1187[08:39:48] <Neurorebel> thanks
• 1188[08:39:54] <Wegg> Well I do believe I tried everything I could. . . might try Manjaro. . . :-(
• 1189[08:39:56] <Neurorebel> newbie question
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• 1192[08:40:46] <jmcnaught> Wegg: it's likely that there are other kernel boot parameters that you can use to overcome hardware issues, but you will need to isolate the issue you need to solve. Sorry I was not able to view your video
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• 1195[08:42:09] <Wegg> not able to vew it technictally? An error or something? Or sorry because you can't spend the time on that. (not offended either way)
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• 1197[08:42:20] <Wegg> You have been an awesome help.
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• 1199[08:42:45] <jmcnaught> oh it's just i'm a weirdo who uses umatrix and noscript and that URL was just a mess of requests to unblock so i gave up
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• 1203[08:43:12] <jmcnaught> and it's a group effort ☺
• 1204[08:43:39] <Wegg> oh I can solve that.
• 1205[08:43:44] <Wegg> gimme a tick
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• 1211[08:46:41] <rdz> hey all. what's better with 6 disk: RAID-5 with 1 Spare, or RAID-6 with 0 Spare?
• 1212[08:47:05] <rdz> from what I understaand, both provide the same mount of usable storage
• 1213[08:47:17] <Wegg> replaced-url
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• 1218[08:49:12] <GNU\colossus> rdz, RAID6 is clearly superior
• 1219[08:49:20] <GNU\colossus> spares are (mostly) a waste of spindles
• 1220[08:49:47] <rdz> GNU\colossus, thanks. so you say RAID-6 is also faster than RAID-5?
• 1221[08:49:53] <jmcnaught> Wegg: cool thanks. Have you tried web searching for "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup" ?
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• 1223[08:50:28] <GNU\colossus> rdz, it generally isn't, but the benefits of RAID6 outweigh its drawbacks.
• 1224[08:50:48] <Wegg> jmcnaught: yes I did. I can disable the reporting of it.
• 1225[08:50:55] <Wegg> from Grub
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• 1227[08:51:17] <Wegg> But. . . I never did get a bash prompt no matter how long I waited so I'm not sure that would help.
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• 1232[08:53:13] <rdz> GNU\colossus, thanks.. will read some more
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• 1238[08:57:26] <jmcnaught> Wegg: what do you mean disable reporting of it in grub? it's a lot easier to discuss this stuff literally, like "i used noapic as a boot option" for example (not suggesing use of noapic)
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• 1243[08:59:21] <Wegg> I just read that you could disable the reporting. So in my research it looks like if you use "auto" in the bios for autoclocking it can give this error. I have manually set the clock to a stable setting and am trying again.
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• 1255[09:10:57] <Wegg> nope. Still goes crazy with all the auto-clock stuff turned off
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• 1257[09:12:02] <Wegg> have to throw in the towel. Sorry Debian. :-(
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• 1259[09:17:40] <Aebian> Wegg: whats your initial problem?
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• 1262[09:19:50] <Wegg> Aebian: I can't run Debian. And I can't get to a command prompt to de-bug it.
• 1263[09:20:01] <Wegg> Tried Jessie and Stretch
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• 1268[09:21:43] <jelly> Wegg: that can happen when your hardware is too new
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• 1270[09:22:14] <jelly> Wegg: takes time for linux to support things. which cpu model is it
• 1271[09:22:16] <Wegg> This motherboard is from 2014
• 1272[09:22:18] <Zeeps_> Hi. I'm trying to get my server to send emails for wordpress. currently is sends as name@local.domain . How do I fix it so that it sends as name@mydomain.com ?
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• 1275[09:22:35] <Wegg> uhh. . . lemme look.
• 1276[09:22:49] <Wegg> i7-5960X
• 1277[09:22:58] <Zeeps_> Wegg: cat /proc/cpuinfo
• 1278[09:23:02] <Zeeps_> nice cpu
• 1279[09:23:05] <jelly> that's not very new or unusual, either
• 1280[09:24:14] <jelly> Wegg: how old is your bios/uefi firmware, did you ever upgrade it
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• 1284[09:24:32] <jelly> firmware updates sometimes fix things
• 1285[09:24:36] <Wegg> I just updated it
• 1286[09:24:42] <jelly> good
• 1287[09:25:06] <jelly> then it appears you've done due diligence
• 1288[09:25:40] <Wegg> Yea I gave it a shot
• 1289[09:26:04] <Wegg> Ubuntu and Mint both work without issue which is so frustrating.
• 1290[09:26:20] <jelly> which ubuntu release?
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• 1293[09:27:15] <Wegg> dunno. 17dot whatever. I'm not up on Ubuntu names
• 1294[09:27:21] <jmcnaught> Wegg: if you still want to try with Debian than I recommended looking for "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup" and checking to see what troubleshooting steps and solutions others tried (you can discuss them here before you try)
• 1295[09:27:21] <Wegg> Just tried it on a whim.
• 1296[09:27:43] <jelly> probably uses a later kernel than stretch
• 1297[09:28:06] <Zeeps_> any one that can help me with sendmail
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• 1299[09:28:33] <Wegg> jmcnaught: I tracked that error down to something to do with overclocking. So I disabled the "auto" overclocking in the bios and that speficic error stopped showing up but the others were all still there and it never let me get to a bash prompt.
• 1300[09:28:49] <Wegg> jelly: I guess I could try Sid. . .
• 1301[09:28:57] <jmcnaught> Zeeps_: if you mean sendmail the MTA and selecting an alternative is still an option, than look at Postfix or Exim4 instead
• 1302[09:29:01] <jelly> soft lockup is a symptom often seen in many different situations
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• 1307[09:30:38] <Wegg> You guys generally don't help people if they go to Sid though do you.
• 1308[09:30:40] <jelly> Wegg: which has pretty much the same versions of packages as stretch right now
• 1309[09:30:46] <Wegg> oh
• 1310[09:31:28] <jmcnaught> some people here will help with sid, but there's a channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net that's dedicated to it
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• 1312[09:31:38] <coke> Zeeps_: with wordpresses tendenzy to get taken over i would probably not let it send mail directly through my smtp server
• 1313[09:31:39] <jelly> you could boot ubuntu live, mount debian, chroot into it and try a newer kernel (eg. from experimental), see if there's any change
• 1314[09:31:52] <jelly> ,kernels
• 1315[09:31:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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• 1318[09:32:40] <jelly> there's also nvidia firmware missing, but that probably isn't a reason for huge lockup
• 1319[09:32:51] <jmcnaught> Zeeps_: oh i missed your earlier messages about wordpress. What does /etc/mailname say in it? Also did you install the sendmail package?
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• 1321[09:33:06] <jmcnaught> (don't install sendmail if you haven't, i'm just asking)
• 1322[09:34:57] <Wegg> OOoo liveCD Mandjero just locked up. task systemd-udevd:383 blocked for more than 120 seconds
• 1323[09:35:02] <Wegg> so it isn't just Debian
• 1324[09:36:05] <jelly> Wegg: if you've messed with overclocking you might try resetting bios to default or safe settings
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• 1327[09:37:01] * Wegg nods
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• 1329[09:37:32] <jelly> otherwise this all might just be hardware instability
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• 1341[09:43:22] <Wegg> nope. still going nuts.
• 1342[09:43:24] <Wegg> :-(
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• 1347[09:45:09] <jmcnaught> Wegg: did you have linux running on this computer before, but now you added an NVMe?
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• 1349[09:46:05] <Wegg> No I had ubuntu running on NVMe
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• 1351[09:47:02] <Wegg> I'm making an ubuntu USB stick right now just to be sure. If that can't install/run then this is a hardware issue and I have wasted everyone's time. :-(
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• 1357[09:48:07] <jmcnaught> you said it was from 2014, does that mean that ubuntu 14.xx or 16.xx was previously working on it, or have you only ever used the ubuntu release from this year?
• 1358[09:49:08] <Wegg> Specifically it was ubuntu-gnome-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso
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• 1361[09:49:40] <Wegg> The motherboard is from 2014 but it is new to me. The guy I purchased this system from was a Windows user.
• 1362[09:49:44] <jmcnaught> if you find that a kernel newer than 4.9 works and are really committed, then you could try to compile a kernel package, drop to a shell while in the installer, and install it before first boot
• 1363[09:50:04] <mirazi_heket> could you take a look please? replaced-url
• 1364[09:50:14] <mirazi_heket> error with debconf-set-selections
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• 1369[09:51:54] <babilen> mirazi_heket: You might want to escape strings
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• 1374[09:52:59] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: it's strange that the errors are reported on lines 145, 146 when my /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections is 144 lines long
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• 1376[09:53:52] <jmcnaught> is it possible that you accidentally wrote to the script while trying to pipe to it or something?
• 1377[09:54:52] <mirazi_heket> hmmm not really, will use escape strings
• 1378[09:55:26] <jelly> which debian release is this, mirazi_heket
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• 1380[09:55:43] <mirazi_heket> 8.8
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• 1384[09:57:20] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: here is /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections from my jessie system if you want to compare yours: replaced-url
• 1385[09:57:24] <mirazi_heket> escape strings didnt helped
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• 1387[09:58:46] <babilen> What exactly did you do now?
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• 1389[10:00:08] <mirazi_heket> babilen: replaced-url
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• 1391[10:01:04] <babilen> mirazi_heket: I was referring to the actual string (namely "shared/accepted-oracle-license-v1-1"). You might also have to escape / in there.
• 1392[10:01:53] <mirazi_heket> i was using this as reference: replaced-url
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• 1396[10:04:13] <mirazi_heket> specifically comment with 4 points
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• 1398[10:04:21] <mirazi_heket> without "RUN" of course
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• 1400[10:04:43] <mirazi_heket> sorry, direct link now: replaced-url
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• 1402[10:05:30] <Wegg> jmcnaught: Ubuntu installed and is running perfectly. Benchmarking now.
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• 1404[10:06:15] <dionysus69> hello
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• 1408[10:06:58] <dionysus69> I have cloned working debian installation to usb along with efi partition. but it doesn't boot, it is as if uefi bootloader doesnt even detect any efi partition on the usb, what am I missing?
• 1409[10:07:01] <jmcnaught> Wegg: i don't know what kernel 17.04 has but it's probably newer than stretch. You should be able to run Debian on it with a newer kernel. If you don't feel up to the tasks i outlined above, you could try Debian again after stretch has been released and there are newer kernels in stretch-backports
• 1410[10:07:54] <jmcnaught> mirazi_heket: did you check the contents of /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections?
• 1411[10:07:55] <Wegg> yea might do jmcnaught.
• 1412[10:07:58] <Wegg> thank you again.
• 1413[10:08:01] <jmcnaught> cheers
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• 1429[10:25:37] <mirazi_heket> jmcnaught: will do
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• 1434[10:32:36] <jmcnaught> the sha256sum of that file on my jessie system is 8085a988bb9850fd9a3405c8a1f8e643c197811f6edf53dfc5ad20ef85040224
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• 1742[11:23:32] <lg188> I've just checked up on the wiki page and it's been since 2012 since this method has been added.... Seems really out of date
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• 1747[11:26:02] <jmcnaught> lg188: put an openvpn conf file (eg foo.conf) in /etc/openvpn, then use "systemctl enable openvpn@foo"
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• 1749[11:27:09] <petn-randall> lg188: the openvpn.service exits normally, AFAIR. you'll have a openvpn@<name>.service for each config file.
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• 1770[11:37:06] <lg188> jmcnaught, petn-randall: apparently the .conf part is important here
• 1771[11:37:14] <lg188> i used ovpn
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• 1776[11:38:30] <jmcnaught> lg188: yeah look at /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service to see what it's doing, look for the %i
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• 1787[11:42:04] <kms_> debian 8.8
• 1788[11:42:16] <kms_> i cant play h264 on totem
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• 1790[11:42:31] <kms_> in vlc is ok
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• 1794[11:44:48] <coke> use vlc then?
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• 1796[11:45:01] <armin> can i easily temporarily disable swap-space on a machine? i know i can do "swapoff -a", but how would i find out how to properly re-enable that on any machine?
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• 1798[11:45:44] <kms_> i want totem
• 1799[11:45:56] <kms_> in ubuntu totem is ok
• 1800[11:46:28] <colo-work> armin, swapon -a (will rely on /etc/fstab)
• 1801[11:46:49] <colo-work> you can also set vm.swappiness to 0 temporarily
• 1802[11:46:56] <colo-work> that should prevent (new) pageouts
• 1803[11:47:12] <armin> colo-work: perfect, thank you.
• 1804[11:47:27] <celyr> mhhhh
• 1805[11:47:34] <celyr> it's not super clear to me how to use deb.debian.org
• 1806[11:47:36] <celyr> with stretch
• 1807[11:48:04] <celyr> deb replaced-url
• 1808[11:48:07] <celyr> is this sufficient ?
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• 1810[11:52:00] <babilen> celyr: deb replaced-url
• 1811[11:52:11] <babilen> (install apt-transport-https for that or use replaced-url
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• 1814[11:52:53] <babilen> But yeah, "deb replaced-url
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• 1816[11:53:19] <Frank___> Hello can I ask a mathematical question in this irc :)?
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• 1818[11:53:50] <celyr> babilen, mmm thanks it did work
• 1819[11:53:53] <gry> yes, in ##math or #debian-offtopic
• 1820[11:54:08] <babilen> ##maths surely ;)
• 1821[11:54:14] <gry> unless it is debian related, then ask here
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• 1823[11:54:39] <celyr> channel is ##math
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• 1825[11:55:05] <babilen> Yes, that is a better channel than #debian
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• 1827[11:55:17] <gry> hey this chan is best on planet
• 1828[11:55:38] <celyr> funny think if you query alis for math aromatherapy is the second result
• 1829[11:55:42] <celyr> thing*
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• 1831[11:56:11] <dgriffi> does anyone here use Simon Listens?
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• 1835[12:00:45] <Frank___> they don't want to spoonfeed me :(
• 1836[12:01:02] <gry> then feed yourself
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• 1838[12:01:23] <Frank___> i prefer to go lazy on a sunday
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• 1852[12:16:18] <Lynk> Does Debian support Kernel Livepatching?
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• 1858[12:22:23] <rudi_s> No.
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• 1860[12:22:35] <gry> why not?
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• 1862[12:24:17] <Lynk> But KLP becomes more and more important wih more and more clouds etc
• 1863[12:24:17] <Lynk> :(
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• 1866[12:25:43] <coke> cause it matters that you dont reboot one of 1mil nodes?
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• 1868[12:26:10] <gry> lynk clouds do not exist. it's a fuzzy word. use something else
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• 1870[12:26:22] <Lynk> coke: If one node gets a kernel update why should others not get the update?
• 1871[12:26:38] <LordCow> you can reboot them in stages
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• 1873[12:27:04] <Lynk> Yes, but I prevent reboots and shutsdown at any time if it's possible
• 1874[12:27:13] <Lynk> *shutdowns
• 1875[12:27:29] <LordCow> but if it cloudy you can migrate around the shutdowns
• 1876[12:27:29] <coke> as part of the daily auto deploy of your industry disrupting software ;)
• 1877[12:27:56] <petn-randall> Lynk: The longer answer is because no one worked on it to get it to work.
• 1878[12:28:00] <coke> embrace the reboot
• 1879[12:28:30] <pingfloyd> then everyone in computer land dies
• 1880[12:29:01] <GG_Phyduck> Good day pepole
• 1881[12:29:13] <petn-randall> I'd consider checking that a server cleanly reboots every now and then good practice.
• 1882[12:29:20] <LordCow> does anyone have experience with zabbix-server-mysql? The web frontend only gives me the option to use postgresql - i'm guessing because stretch pulls in mariadb not mysql
• 1883[12:29:40] <petn-randall> And anything that can't cope with expected downtime should be a high-availability setup, anyway.
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• 1886[12:31:10] <Lynk> Other question: I'm missing the kernel module tpm_tis ... it's not there?
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• 1888[12:32:39] <gry> LordCow: ask #zabbix possibly, but get mysql installed first. just install it from package manager after installing zabbix-server-mysql
• 1889[12:32:57] <LordCow> tx, there's no mysql in pkg manager though
• 1890[12:33:05] <LordCow> it's a cover for mariadb
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• 1896[12:37:22] <Lynk> replaced-url
• 1897[12:37:25] <Lynk> Seriously?
• 1898[12:37:29] <Lynk> But it's in Jessie?
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• 1902[12:38:51] <tuxcrafter> hello everybody
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• 1904[12:39:10] <spacemn> didn't Oracle bought it for one billion dollars and mariadb was the fork/answer?
• 1905[12:39:14] <rysiek|pl> tuxcrafter: hi dr nick
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• 1915[12:40:27] <Lynk> spacemn: No, MySQL was ever owned by Oracle (before Sun)
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• 1919[12:41:40] <spacemn> Lynk: you are right, I'm looking at the wikipedia page... I recalled the billion dollars tho ^__^;
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• 1922[12:42:17] <spacemn> Lynk: I pictured it like the scene with Dr. Evil
• 1923[12:42:23] <Lynk> spacemn: 1994-2008: MySQL AB (Sweden - but they had a partnership with Sun), then Sun bought it, at 2010 Sun got bought out by Oracle. And today, it's all Oracle.
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• 1927[12:44:13] <Lynk> spacemn: So, MariaDB was a fork of the MySQL Community Edition. Today, it's rewritten from scratch and MySQL compatible
• 1928[12:45:25] <LordCow> sanity prevails, i was just missing mysql php extension, mariadb still does the trick
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• 1933[12:47:08] <clonewar> hello everyone. I am about to buy a digital videocamera with a flash memory, my first one, and am wondering if there are known or frequent troubles in uploading the images to Debian
• 1934[12:47:42] <clonewar> or anyway in general, what to look out for
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• 1973[13:12:12] <glick> hi
• 1974[13:12:37] <glick> does any one know how i can convert mp4 files to oggs?
• 1975[13:12:47] <glick> i tried it on mac with vlc but the audio was glitchy
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• 1987[13:15:40] <vlt> glick: ffmpeg should work
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• 1990[13:15:59] <glick> hmm ill look into it thanks
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• 1993[13:16:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1996[13:19:19] <glick> any idea when stretch will become the new stable?
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• 2001[13:20:23] <spacemn> ETA in two weeks
• 2002[13:21:25] <BluesKaj> on June 17th
• 2003[13:22:00] <BluesKaj> pass your cursor over the MOTD for an info dialog
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• 2006[13:22:47] <FinalX> cursor over motd? info dialog?
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• 2008[13:22:55] <FinalX> oh, you mean the topic. ok.
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• 2013[13:25:19] <glick> is vlc the best ogg player?
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• 2018[13:27:13] <spacemn> glick: define best, I liked Audacious before the QT migration
• 2019[13:27:47] <BluesKaj> dunno, never used ogg ...wav is the best quality and there's no reason to listen to lossy compressed files anymore
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• 2025[13:30:24] <BluesKaj> glick, but VLC plays mostly anything
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• 2027[13:30:54] <x212> Consumers Can Have Good Jobs if They Spend Their Money Wisely. Boycott/Protest/Revolt ANY Corporation Showing ANY Inkling of Automation! Example: MCDonalds, Uber, Bank of America ...
• 2028[13:30:54] <x212> ... Example: If People Will not Boycott MCDonalds (On Forefront of Automation) (than if MCDonalds Fully Automates, Majority of Others in The Sector Will Follow), in 30 years All Retail Sector Will Be Automated. Retail People Displaced by Automation, Will Have Problem to Adjust to More Higher Tech Economy ... Spread Agressivelly, Relentlessly
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• 2030[13:32:13] <x212> ...Consumers Can Have Good Jobs if They Spend Their Money Wisely....
• 2031[13:32:39] <BluesKaj> !spam | x212
• 2032[13:32:56] <x212> just spreading message
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• 2034[13:33:32] <x212> but sure should not spam that long message maybe
• 2035[13:33:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
• 2036[13:33:44] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@90-64-55-101.dynamic.orange.sk
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• 2043[13:36:36] <at0m|c> x212: should not post anything not debian related for sure.
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• 2045[13:37:50] <jelly> x212: use #debian-offtopic if you want to rant about naked capitalism and lack of basic income in your constituency... oh wait, you shouldn't rant in there, either
• 2046[13:38:22] <jelly> this channel is for tech support.
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• 2054[13:43:09] <clonewar> hello everyone. I am about to buy a digital videocamera with a flash memory, my first one, and am wondering if there are known or frequent troubles in uploading the files to Debian
• 2055[13:43:57] <petn-randall> clonewar: If you can pop out the card and put it into your card reader, it shouldn't be any problem. For everything else it depends how the cam implements it.
• 2056[13:44:12] <Dollar> I doubt it that there are any problems consider download/uploading files on a Debian server. I assume it depends how you do it.
• 2057[13:44:49] <clonewar> Dollar, what do you mean by downloading uploading on a Debian server?
• 2058[13:45:24] <clonewar> petn-randall, no idea, I still have to buy it and was looking for a trouble-less one. I'll go for one with a removable SDcard, thanks
• 2059[13:46:03] <Dollar> I mean that it depends how you do it, is the camera auto uploading videos on the server or you will do it manually with the SD card and reader.
• 2060[13:46:29] <petn-randall> clonewar: Most others just implement MTP, which works out of the box. But with the thousands of devices on the market, you never know if some require some quirky windows-only driver.
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• 2062[13:47:32] <clonewar> Dollar, I'd rather have all the files locally, so no direct server uploading (even though who knows what goes on when a camera has a wifi connection)
• 2063[13:47:54] <clonewar> petn-randall, MTP should be fine too, noted down, thanks!
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• 2065[13:48:33] <glick> hi can anyone recommend a good pdf viewer?
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• 2067[13:48:50] <petn-randall> glick: evince
• 2068[13:49:10] <spacemn> I've read time ago about SD cards with WiFi enabled, but never tried
• 2069[13:49:13] <at0m|c> clonewar: and the video format the device uses. is it raw? do you want to edit, crop, re-encode?
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• 2075[13:52:39] <glick> petn-randall: hah got a segmentation fault in evince
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• 2079[13:53:49] <jelly> glick: okular? foxit reader?
• 2080[13:53:53] * jelly hides
• 2081[13:54:02] <petn-randall> glick: just starting it? Or on that PDF?
• 2082[13:54:05] <clonewar> at0m|c, yes, I would like to do some editing, maybe with openshot but I still have to do my homework
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• 2084[13:54:40] <clonewar> what kind of format/codec should I look for?
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• 2091[13:59:35] <spacemn> not an expert, far from it, but I think you should use raw for max quality, don't know if it's still the same, but consumer cameras used to export in lossy formats like jpg
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• 2102[14:05:28] <clonewar> spacemn, is that true for videos as well? It's a videocamera, will not take much static images at all.
• 2103[14:07:29] <spacemn> clonewar: I never heard about raw video, I suppose space requirements would be quite high
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• 2105[14:09:09] <FinalX> most camera's record in h264
• 2106[14:09:17] <FinalX> MPEG2TS
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• 2108[14:10:21] <clonewar> well, I shouldn't have troubles with it, common codecs
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• 2110[14:10:39] <clonewar> thanks!
• 2111[14:10:59] <FinalX> Shooting in RAW is particularly important when you might lose details in the shadows or when you're going to do editing. In most cases JPG's are more than sufficient. Most camera's will offer to shoot in RAW, process it and store a JPG next to the RAW (NEF, CR2, DNG).
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• 2113[14:11:41] <FinalX> The Samsung Galaxy S7 phone for instance has a dual-pixel camera (only newer Canons have it for now, DSLRs), and will also allow you to shoot in RAW (DNG) _and_ JPG.
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• 2118[14:13:17] <clonewar> FinalX, I see, thanks. So far looks like Debian doesn't have any trouble with videocameras, that's refreshing
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• 2125[14:17:17] <stikn> hi guys! my system has been broken after try upgrade from jessie to stretch
• 2126[14:17:36] <stikn> the system did hung in dist-upgrade process
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• 2128[14:17:46] <stikn> I've started with a live cd
• 2129[14:18:13] <stikn> and I've mounted /dev/sda2 (which is my /), proc, sys and dev
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• 2133[14:18:21] <stikn> could I repair the system with chroot?
• 2134[14:18:22] <BluesKaj> stikn, did you update and upgrade your jessie packages before doing dist?
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• 2137[14:18:58] <stikn> BluesKaj: of course :)
• 2138[14:19:09] <BluesKaj> I have to ask
• 2139[14:19:42] <BluesKaj> which gpu?
• 2140[14:19:43] <stikn> BluesKaj: now I'm doing "dpkg --configure -a"
• 2141[14:19:45] <stikn> from chroot
• 2142[14:19:50] <stikn> a Nvidia
• 2143[14:19:59] <stikn> with proprietary drivers installed in jessie
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• 2146[14:21:22] <BluesKaj> stikn, most likely the same nvidia driver in stretch as jessie. at least in my case it is
• 2147[14:21:29] <stikn> I could paste the output in pastedebian at finish
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• 2152[14:23:02] <glick> anyone else running stretch cant change their background wallpaper in mate?
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• 2154[14:25:17] <BluesKaj> stikn, you could try nomodeset in grub in the quiet Grub line, but that's only if you can drop to a vt/tty
• 2155[14:25:37] <glick> i really wish i could change my mate background wallpaper
• 2156[14:25:50] <stikn> BluesKaj: replaced-url
• 2157[14:25:59] <stikn> I get this when I do apt-get upgrade form chroot
• 2158[14:26:01] <stikn> in livecd
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• 2161[14:27:54] <spacemn> stikn: I think you should use dist-upgrade in this case
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• 2163[14:28:39] <stikn> SpaceAce: replaced-url
• 2164[14:28:42] <stikn> I've got issues with repos
• 2165[14:29:01] <stikn> may be related with chroot
• 2166[14:29:08] <BluesKaj> run apt -f install
• 2167[14:29:42] <spacemn> stikn: start checking if you can ping an external host, like 8.8.8.8
• 2168[14:29:50] <stikn> yes, I can
• 2169[14:30:19] <spacemn> stikn: can you ping an host like google.com?
• 2170[14:30:24] <stikn> of course .)
• 2171[14:30:51] <stikn> replaced-url
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• 2173[14:31:00] <spacemn> stikn: but you can't ping ftp.es.debian.org?
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• 2176[14:31:13] <at0m|c> !jessie->stretch
• 2177[14:31:35] <stikn> yes also I can
• 2178[14:31:36] <stikn> replaced-url
• 2179[14:31:59] <at0m|c> dpkg: jessie->stretch
• 2180[14:31:59] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
• 2181[14:32:33] <stikn> BluesKaj: apt -f install seems has worked
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• 2183[14:32:49] <stikn> but still I cannot do dist-upgrade
• 2184[14:32:58] <stikn> I've got issues with repos again
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• 2187[14:33:58] <stikn> spacemn: BluesKaj I cannot do apt-get update either
• 2188[14:34:19] <stikn> replaced-url
• 2189[14:34:21] <BluesKaj> sorry , i have to go ..bb later
• 2190[14:34:45] <stikn> what do you think spacemn?
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• 2199[14:36:51] <dbarton> Hi. Is there anyone who might know if Debian has VTI (virtual tunnel interface) support in Strongswan? :/
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• 2201[14:37:05] <spacemn> stikn: strange that you can ping it but apt fail to resolve it
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• 2204[14:37:31] <stikn> I'm using a livecd and doing chroot over the broken system
• 2205[14:37:36] <stikn> is not the system itself
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• 2207[14:38:06] <spacemn> stikn: you can always create a list of packages URI to download from a different PC with the --print-uri option
• 2208[14:38:26] <spacemn> stikn: yeah, strange nonetheless ^__^
• 2209[14:38:31] <jelly> stikn: you have to manually edit /etc/resolv.conf inside chroot to match what's outside
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• 2213[14:39:28] <jelly> or cp the one that works inside i guess
• 2214[14:39:33] <stikn> jelly /etc/resolv.conf is it a symlink
• 2215[14:39:38] <jelly> it might be
• 2216[14:39:43] <stikn> which is pointing to outside
• 2217[14:39:56] <jelly> no, it can't point outside
• 2218[14:40:03] <jelly> chroot prevents that
• 2219[14:40:30] <jelly> chroot literally changes the meaning of / (root of the filesystem)
• 2220[14:40:42] <spacemn> stikn: when in doubt, I usually put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in my resolv.conf and call it a day
• 2221[14:40:50] <stikn> resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
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• 2224[14:42:15] <zetheroo> I have a system with 20GB of memory and it's always pretty much maxed out with about 1GB of free memory
• 2225[14:42:30] <zetheroo> what the best way to find out what's using the memory up?
• 2226[14:42:40] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: see linuxatemyram.com
• 2227[14:42:41] <babilen> zetheroo: Start with "free -m"
• 2228[14:43:30] <zetheroo> I tried with htop and it shows 18 entries for the same thing /usr/sbin/mysqld
• 2229[14:43:38] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: see linuxatemyram.com
• 2230[14:43:54] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: acknowledge that you understood what it says there
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• 2233[14:44:13] <zetheroo> sleepyhead: roger that ;)
• 2234[14:44:27] <babilen> zetheroo: So .. what's the output of "free -m" ?
• 2235[14:44:38] <babilen> (in an attempt to actually address the issue)
• 2236[14:44:42] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: if it turns out you have plenty of free ram i'm going to be mighty pissed
• 2237[14:44:52] <babilen> sleepyhead: Don't drink and IRC
• 2238[14:44:57] <zetheroo> replaced-url
• 2239[14:44:59] <sleepyhead> babilen: i don't drink period
• 2240[14:45:15] <sleepyhead> babilen: there you go. see i was right
• 2241[14:45:21] <sleepyhead> noobs
• 2242[14:45:29] <babilen> zetheroo: As you can clearly see in the second line most of the RAM is being utilised for caching block device data
• 2243[14:45:30] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: you have 18gb free
• 2244[14:45:30] <petn-randall> I don't think a lot of people drink period, anyway.
• 2245[14:46:03] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: that's why i told you to see that site
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• 2248[14:46:42] <zetheroo> Ok, well I have seen this before and basically the theory is that it's cached and if something comes along that needs some memory then what's cached will be released and made accessible to the new process ... only thing is that this doesn't seem to actually happen.
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• 2250[14:46:56] <babilen> sleepyhead: This has nothing to do with "noobs", but with addressing a question using actual data. Your assumption that zetheroo was seeing high cache usage was likely, but in no way supported by actual data
• 2251[14:47:01] <zetheroo> The reason we have 20GB of memory on this system is because of that
• 2252[14:47:24] <sleepyhead> babilen: it was supported by experience dealing with newbies. and the op is a noob not a newbie cause he doesn't learn.
• 2253[14:47:28] <petn-randall> sleepyhead: What babilen said. Also please refrain from calling people names, we all started somewhere.
• 2254[14:47:33] <babilen> What is the actual issue you are trying to address? Please note that MySQL is using caching extensively.
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• 2256[14:47:51] <zetheroo> if I lower the memory the system runs into all kinds of performance issues - so how can it be that that 18GB of cached memory is "free"?
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• 2260[14:48:18] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: well the performance issues must be due to some other resource not ram
• 2261[14:48:19] <petn-randall> zetheroo: System with cache tend to run (sometimes *a lot*) faster.
• 2262[14:48:20] <at0m|c> zetheroo: cache is considered free. replaced-url
• 2263[14:48:26] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: like disk i/o or CPU time
• 2264[14:48:31] <sleepyhead> maybe even bandwidth
• 2265[14:48:39] <babilen> zetheroo: I would guess that your MySQL configuration (in particular InnoDB caches) are not in line with the reduced memory footprint
• 2266[14:48:50] <sleepyhead> at0m|c: he doesn't want to visit that site. i pointed it out multiple times already.
• 2267[14:49:02] <zetheroo> sleepyhead: if its got nothing to do with memory how come adding more memory sorts out the performance issues?
• 2268[14:49:07] <petn-randall> zetheroo: It has to do with the fact that files cached in RAM can be accessed about 10,000x faster than from disk.
• 2269[14:49:14] <bezaban> mysql defaults to 128mb cache iirc
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• 2271[14:49:48] <zetheroo> babilen: so mysqld config needs some tweaking ..
• 2272[14:49:50] <sleepyhead> bezaban: OS caches regardless
• 2273[14:49:54] <babilen> Maybe it would help if we were to see the actual MySQL configuration?
• 2274[14:50:05] <bezaban> sleepyhead: yes, but that may not help with mysql performance
• 2275[14:50:07] <petn-randall> zetheroo: How small did you shrink the RAM as the performance problems happened?
• 2276[14:50:09] <bezaban> or will not. rather
• 2277[14:50:12] <sleepyhead> bezaban: of course it will.
• 2278[14:50:22] <babilen> zetheroo: It might, but please address: What are the actual issues you are facing?
• 2279[14:50:30] <bezaban> sleepyhead: there are absolutely cases where you need to tweak the mysql cache
• 2280[14:50:42] <zetheroo> what I don't get is when people say that cached memory is 'free memory' ... it certainly doesn't see to act like that
• 2281[14:50:55] <zetheroo> what would you like to see?
• 2282[14:51:13] <at0m|c> zetheroo: that site explains. i'm not going to write it out here.
• 2283[14:51:17] <bezaban> zetheroo: it is freed if it is needed. read the site
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• 2286[14:51:47] <zetheroo> replaced-url
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• 2288[14:52:05] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: optimizing mysql configuration is a good idea. mysqltuner.pl (another site) is a good resource
• 2289[14:52:24] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: but i also suggest install the sysstat package to collect performance data
• 2290[14:52:39] <zetheroo> hmm ok
• 2291[14:52:56] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: are you seeing high load? high load can be due to disk i/o issues
• 2292[14:53:12] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: post the output of `uptime`
• 2293[14:53:21] <zetheroo> did you see the screenshot I posted?
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• 2295[14:53:27] <petn-randall> zetheroo: All that orange in the memory bar is cache.
• 2296[14:53:29] <zetheroo> the CPU is almost completely idle
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• 2298[14:53:49] <zetheroo> petn-randall: right
• 2299[14:53:54] <jelly> zetheroo: description of actual performance issues, output of "vmstat 1" before and when it's happening, output of "iostat -mx 5" if you see disk io contention (lots of wa (wait%) column in vmstat)
• 2300[14:54:06] <petn-randall> zetheroo: this ^^^
• 2301[14:54:28] <zetheroo> ok, well it's a productive system so I can't really experiment of it :(
• 2302[14:54:40] <jelly> keep the *stat commands running for a bit
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• 2306[14:54:57] <zetheroo> and I know from experience that jobs fail on it if it's got less memory than what it's got now
• 2307[14:55:06] <jelly> ah yes, "jobs fail"
• 2308[14:55:06] <sleepyhead> is it normal to have so many mysql processes running?
• 2309[14:55:14] <sleepyhead> seems like they are taking up a lot of cpu time
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• 2311[14:55:16] <jelly> zetheroo: WHICH JOBS
• 2312[14:55:31] <jelly> zetheroo: what do they do? How do they fail?
• 2313[14:55:55] <zetheroo> jelly, sorry I don't have all that info available now
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• 2315[14:56:13] <zetheroo> I was just wondering if I was right to think that mysql was the culprit
• 2316[14:56:27] <zetheroo> which it seems it is
• 2317[14:56:33] <jelly> no, you don't have all the info to draw any conclusion
• 2318[14:56:55] <zetheroo> jelly, but isn't it whats using up the memory?
• 2319[14:57:20] <at0m|c> zetheroo: have you even read about cached memory?
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• 2321[14:57:35] <at0m|c> zetheroo: 5 people suggested you do.
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• 2323[14:57:49] <zetheroo> yes, I have ... and at what point does it help me?
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• 2327[14:58:06] <at0m|c> it could help you conclude it's not a memory issue
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• 2329[14:59:06] <zetheroo> I mean if I want to give this system 10GB of memory ... but cannot because the performance is so abysmal that jobs fail to conclude or run at all ... but then with 20GB of memory it's all good ... seems to be a memory usage issue, and cached memory not being freed as is needed ...
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• 2331[14:59:31] <jelly> zetheroo: it's hard to say without more info
• 2332[14:59:39] <teraflops> zetheroo: free memory is wasted memory
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• 2334[15:00:43] <evilQ> Hi, my debian boots, but cinnamon wont load and seems like frozen after identifying myself... Any idea how I can proceed to fix the issue?
• 2335[15:00:47] <petn-randall> zetheroo: Your system has 18GB of "free" (cache) memory. You're drawing the wrong conclusions. You have to gather the info jelly asked for to debug the issue. Anything else is discussing hypotheticals, it won't get us anywhere.
• 2336[15:00:50] <zetheroo> teraflops: not if it's free for when you need it - like on a system where you have memory-intensive jobs that run maybe once an hour for 10 minutes ... then you need free memory
• 2337[15:01:15] <zetheroo> and I keep hearing that if it's cached it's 'free' ... right ...
• 2338[15:01:19] <jelly> zetheroo: linux kernel does not work that way
• 2339[15:01:28] <petn-randall> zetheroo: Then the cache gets dropped instantly and the memory allocated to the process.
• 2340[15:01:46] <zetheroo> petn-randall: that is precisely what I don't see happening
• 2341[15:01:59] <zetheroo> but I guess I cannot test on this system :P
• 2342[15:02:12] <petn-randall> zetheroo: From which data do you take this conclusion?
• 2343[15:02:26] <jelly> from output of vmstat that he didn't run
• 2344[15:02:34] <petn-randall> zetheroo: ^^^
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• 2346[15:02:55] <zetheroo> well if it's instantly dropped and allocated to the process one would think that the process would run successfully ...
• 2347[15:03:16] <jelly> don't think. Measure.
• 2348[15:03:23] <zetheroo> jelly vmstat on the system replaced-url
• 2349[15:03:25] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: what process? does it output an error message when it fails?
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• 2351[15:04:02] <petn-randall> zetheroo: That is not what jelly asked for ...
• 2352[15:04:04] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: if it was a memory issue there'd be error messages from the kernel OOM killer.
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• 2354[15:04:33] <jelly> zetheroo: keep it running. Show a couple dozen lines when everything works, and a couple dozen lines while you're having issues
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• 2356[15:05:02] <zetheroo> jelly, I cannot make it have issues ... it's productive :)
• 2357[15:05:03] <jelly> zetheroo: a single line is useless (and the first line is usually wrong)
• 2358[15:05:11] <petn-randall> "vmstat" is not the same as "vmstat 1". You want the latter.
• 2359[15:05:12] <jelly> zetheroo: so you don't have issues?
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• 2361[15:05:17] <jelly> problem solved
• 2362[15:05:20] <jelly> !next
• 2363[15:05:21] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 2364[15:05:28] <sleepyhead> jelly: what flavour are you?
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• 2366[15:05:46] <zetheroo> jelly: the issue is this system is hogging 20 GB of memory from the host ... (PVE)
• 2367[15:05:56] <petn-randall> ...
• 2368[15:06:07] <jelly> zetheroo: so you DO have issues after all then?
• 2369[15:06:34] <jelly> zetheroo: schedule downtime, then replicate the issues at that time.
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• 2371[15:06:44] <jelly> then show relevant info
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• 2375[15:07:17] <jelly> zetheroo: notice that you can take relevant info for the baseline ("when things work") right now
• 2376[15:07:26] <zetheroo> if I can schedule downtime it would be during a time when no jobs are required to run ... hence no jobs will be running anyhow
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• 2379[15:08:08] <sleepyhead> zetheroo: quite the bind you are in.
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• 2381[15:08:16] <earendel> hi .. question: those images below in that list replaced-url
• 2382[15:08:19] <zetheroo> yep :D
• 2383[15:08:47] <earendel> zetheroo: @ me?
• 2384[15:08:58] <zetheroo> earendel: nope
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• 2387[15:09:07] <earendel> aww
• 2388[15:09:32] <sleepyhead> earendel: >There are different versions of CD #1 here to allow for a choice of default desktop on installation, e.g. debian-something-kde-CD-1 contains the core pieces of the KDE desktop and will default to installing that desktop when used. The default desktop installed using debian-something-CD-1 is Gnome.
• 2389[15:09:35] <jelly> zetheroo: if you want help with your _technical_ issue, please reproduce it first. Your policy issue in reproducing your tech issue is, honestly, not #debian's problem
• 2390[15:09:37] <petn-randall> earendel: Those are installation images with different defaults on them.
• 2391[15:10:08] <zetheroo> jelly: alright - thanks
• 2392[15:10:26] <petn-randall> earendel: In 95% of the cases I'd just take the netinst, assuming you have an internet connection during installation.
• 2393[15:10:36] <jelly> zetheroo: which debian release is this, btw? Are you running any custom software component, like custom kernel?
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• 2395[15:10:51] <zetheroo> jelly: I rekon it's wheezy
• 2396[15:10:57] <jelly> !debian suite
• 2397[15:10:57] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
• 2398[15:10:57] <zetheroo> nothing custom
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• 2400[15:11:12] <jelly> zetheroo: what does "uname -a" say
• 2401[15:11:26] <earendel> i hope there are not just the core pieces of the desktop systems without installation basics
• 2402[15:11:29] <zetheroo> Linux rana 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.81-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 2403[15:11:48] <zetheroo> jelly^
• 2404[15:11:52] <jelly> yeah, that's a wheezy kernel. About a year unpatched
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• 2406[15:12:18] <earendel> i have chosen already lxde.. my traffic is limited and i have only a webstick.. and that fucking provider kills me.
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• 2408[15:13:29] <earendel> (its very hard to book a dayflat) .. thx petn-randall .. sleepyhead
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• 2410[15:14:13] <earendel> i guess i wont be able to do netinst without grabbing some extra software from the net for that webstick
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• 2412[15:15:01] <petn-randall> earendel: In that case, you could download the common CD set from where you can do it for free, then just provide them during installation, and just download the remaining packages (if any) over your expensive connection at home.
• 2413[15:15:32] <earendel> the common cd set like... the 8 cds?
• 2414[15:15:36] <earendel> :o
• 2415[15:15:45] <teraflops> iirc cd1 ships the DE
• 2416[15:16:05] <petn-randall> earendel: It's sorted by how commonly used it is though, so you're probably well suited with just the first 3.
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• 2421[15:16:48] <cheapie> I made an ISO with all packages on one disc once. That was fun :P
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• 2423[15:17:02] <earendel> ok. so lxde cd 1 will give me nothing?
• 2424[15:17:23] <cheapie> (ended up being like 70GB)
• 2425[15:17:43] <petn-randall> There are DVDs and bluray images, too.
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• 2427[15:17:49] <earendel> please say i will be able to install at least so much as with netinst
• 2428[15:17:57] <earendel> lie to me! :)
• 2429[15:18:04] <earendel> fuck\
• 2430[15:18:32] <earendel> i will need gammu to connect
• 2431[15:18:34] <petn-randall> earendel: You can get a bootable installation just with netinst. But in that case it's not much more.
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• 2434[15:18:58] <earendel> but;.. can u tell me if lxde is netinst +
• 2435[15:19:06] <petn-randall> earendel: If you want to install completely offline, just download the 3 DVDs (~14 GB)
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• 2437[15:19:42] <earendel> because i was hanging around in ##debian and nobody answered and its almost completely downloaded via expensive connection.
• 2438[15:20:40] <earendel> you know gammu? is there such a thing for debian?
• 2439[15:21:02] <jelly> gammu and wammu are packaged for debian
• 2440[15:21:22] <jelly> ,v gammu
• 2441[15:21:23] <judd> Package: gammu on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.31.90-1+b1; jessie: 1.33.0-3; stretch: 1.38.1-1; sid: 1.38.1-1
• 2442[15:21:42] <earendel> what was the install command for debia again? im afraid ill be disconnected every moment
• 2443[15:21:51] <earendel> thx guys .. for all the help
• 2444[15:22:07] <earendel> i promise i wont bother with trivialities in the future
• 2445[15:22:11] <jelly> apt-get install stuff
• 2446[15:22:17] <earendel> thx! <3
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• 2449[15:23:54] <jelly> lo, why is there a ##debian
• 2450[15:25:33] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 2451[15:25:49] <earendel> its not populated..mistaken and didnt bother i guess.
• 2452[15:25:51] <zetheroo> is there a way to see what is using the cache?
• 2453[15:26:19] <zetheroo> or does that question not even make sense? :D
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• 2455[15:27:44] <spacemn> zetheroo: you are going in the wrong direction, you need instrumentation to log system resources usage 24/7, then you can reason about issues
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• 2565[16:40:48] <wyre> I've done "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i396" by error
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• 2567[16:40:49] <wyre> how can I revert that?
• 2568[16:41:09] <bezaban> --remove-architecture
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• 2570[16:41:48] <wyre> thanks bezaban
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• 2578[16:43:44] <onee-chan> hello
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• 2594[16:48:47] <tkla> Hey there
• 2595[16:49:05] <tkla> Anyone who can help me with the samba_backup script in Debian?
• 2596[16:49:25] <tkla> I tried to use it but it keeps saying that he won´t create an emtpy archive
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• 2604[16:52:30] <onee-chan> When I asked people when Stretch will be released they were all saying like august or september... And I was always thinking like June, maybe July... Well I guess I was right :P
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• 2608[16:54:05] <Circuitsoft> Hello, on Jessie, just now, "dpkg-query -L openjdk-7-jdk | fgrep /usr/share/doc/openjdk-7-jre-headless/test-amd64/ | wc -l" gave me 106565. Why are the tests installed with the jdk?
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• 2619[16:59:28] <wyre> I'm getting issues with steam in Stretch
• 2620[16:59:29] <wyre> I cannot startup
• 2621[16:59:30] <wyre> I get "Fatal Error : Failed to load steamui.so"
• 2622[16:59:32] <wyre> any idea about?
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• 2686[17:26:20] <wyre> I cannot mount/umount volumes from nautilus in Stretch :(
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• 2688[17:28:05] <petn-randall> wyre: What kind of mount is it?
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• 2703[17:40:03] <grady> replaced-url
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• 2725[17:48:53] <polysics> hello! how do I add a single kernel module that is not currently installed?
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• 2727[17:49:20] <greycat> Is it packaged in Debian?
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• 2733[17:50:50] <polysics> I tried searching apt for "multitouch" but did not turn up anything
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• 2735[17:51:03] <polysics> it's Device Drivers/HID/Special/HID Multitouch Panels
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• 2739[17:51:44] <polysics> I can see it not selected in make menuconfig but that is pretty much all I know how to do
• 2740[17:51:57] <polysics> I could build an entire new kernel, but isn't that overkill?
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• 2742[17:53:27] <Walex> polysics: find /lib/modules/ -name '*multito*'
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• 2744[17:54:38] <Walex> polysics: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search multitouch | grep '^/lib/kernel'
• 2745[17:54:52] <polysics> Walex: I have something indeed
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• 2749[17:55:39] <polysics> a hid-multitouch.ko entry
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• 2752[17:56:13] <Walex> polysics: also run the other command sequence for additional information
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• 2757[17:56:48] <polysics> it's churning
• 2758[17:56:57] <polysics> so, in line of principle, I do have that module already?
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• 2760[17:57:21] <greycat> Did you try "locate multitouch" yet? Just out of curiosity.
• 2761[17:57:27] <Walex> polysics: actually ooops replace "grep '^/lib/kernel'" with "grep '^/lib/kernel|/usr/lib/xorg'"
• 2762[17:57:45] <greycat> Might as well try the *easy* ones first....
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• 2764[17:58:44] <polysics> ok, I do have a .ko object
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• 2766[18:00:25] <polysics> lib/modules/3.2(etc)/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-multitouch.ko
• 2767[18:00:34] <polysics> does that mean anything? :D
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• 2771[18:01:02] <greycat> It means you have that kernel driver.
• 2772[18:01:17] <greycat> Also means you're on wheezy.
• 2773[18:01:29] <polysics> so it is already there, in theory?
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• 2776[18:01:45] <greycat> I don't know if this driver does what you want, or even what you actually want.
• 2777[18:02:00] <polysics> I know it is the driver I want
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• 2780[18:02:41] <polysics> lsmod | grep multi does not show it
• 2781[18:03:02] <jelly> polysics: so it's not loaded
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• 2787[18:03:48] <jelly> polysics: do you perhaps have a different goal, like making some specific hardware work on your system?
• 2788[18:03:56] <jelly> !goal
• 2789[18:03:56] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 2790[18:03:59] <jelly> !ask
• 2791[18:03:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2793[18:04:12] <polysics> yes, I am doing the supposed pre-installation steps for installing an ESA touchscreen
• 2794[18:04:18] <polysics> which supposedly requires that module to be loaded
• 2795[18:04:31] <polysics> then it has its own setup script that should just work
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• 2797[18:05:09] <jelly> use modprobe module-name-here to load it manually
• 2798[18:05:12] <greycat> Did you actually connect the hardware to the system?
• 2799[18:05:25] <polysics> by the way, uname -r reports 3.10, not 3.2
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• 2801[18:05:36] <greycat> polysics: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
• 2802[18:05:37] <jelly> polysics: how old are these pre-installation steps?
• 2803[18:05:39] <polysics> so that is probably not even the right module
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• 2805[18:06:04] <polysics> 2015/04/10
• 2806[18:06:05] <polysics> old :D
• 2807[18:06:16] <jelly> what's your hardware platform (pc)
• 2808[18:06:32] <polysics> an industrial Celeron-based machine
• 2809[18:06:34] <jelly> polysics: what does `uname -a` say
• 2810[18:06:39] <polysics> a "normal" PC
• 2811[18:07:26] <polysics> linux x3-test 3.10.82-sv-686 #4 SMP Mon Jul 6 22:00:28 CEST 2015 i686 GNU/Linux
• 2812[18:07:49] <jelly> so it runs a custom kernel, possibly provided by the vendor
• 2813[18:07:54] <petn-randall> polysics: 3.10 never shipped in Debian.
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• 2815[18:07:55] <greycat> It's not a Debian kernel, though you apparently *have* a Debian (wheezy) kernel installed. You just aren't using it.
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• 2818[18:08:22] <polysics> urgh
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• 2820[18:08:33] <simbalion`> Hi, I upgraded to stretch last night from jessie, now I'm getting git errors about public key verification failing, can anyone suggest a fix?
• 2821[18:08:39] <polysics> so I actually need to find out where that kernel comes from, I assume?
• 2822[18:08:44] <jelly> polysics: you will need to find linux headers and/or sources matching the kernel you're currently running, or boot a different, preferably distro kernel
• 2823[18:08:44] <greycat> polysics: yeah
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• 2825[18:09:14] <jelly> polysics: perhaps 3.16 from wheezy-backports will work on your hardware if 3.2 from wheezy does not
• 2826[18:09:25] <jelly> ,kernels
• 2827[18:09:26] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
• 2828[18:09:29] <polysics> I guess the first step is simply "write an email to whoever built this thing and find out what happened" :)
• 2829[18:09:33] <greycat> Depends on what's been done to this 3.10 kernel.
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• 2831[18:09:42] <polysics> well, thank you people, you are very helpful
• 2832[18:09:50] <polysics> I'll grab the guy responsible for this and figure it out
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• 2834[18:10:19] <polysics> it has to be said that the machine is named SV
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• 2836[18:10:22] <polysics> soooo, that "sv"
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• 2839[18:10:39] <polysics> this is probably a custom kernel built by the guy that physically built the thing
• 2840[18:10:42] <jelly> simbalion`: are you accessing a private or a public repo? Which command line are you running and what's the full output?
• 2841[18:10:42] <polysics> k, good to know
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• 2847[18:12:08] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2849[18:12:27] <greycat> why the fuck do people keep using that
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• 2852[18:13:20] <greycat> The ONE paste site in the entire history of humankind that's even WORSE than pastebin.com and people USE it. On purpose. Unfuckingbelievable.
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• 2854[18:13:34] <polysics> what's wrong with gist.github.com?
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• 2856[18:14:07] <jelly> simbalion`: #835342 seems to be relevant
• 2857[18:14:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2858[18:14:51] <jelly> simbalion`: i just googled "gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed."
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• 2860[18:15:51] <jelly> greycat: the url points to raw text file, what's your grief with that
• 2861[18:16:11] <jelly> how is plain text worse than pastebin.com
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• 2864[18:16:49] <greycat> OK, fine, he used the web site in a nonstandard mode whereby he gave us a URL that can actually be opened, instead of the default mode that requires a javascript engine to "decrypt" the contents.
• 2865[18:17:17] <greycat> I still think the entire web site needs to be nuked off the face of the internet, because most people don't give the raw link.
• 2866[18:17:22] <jelly> seems you just like to rant sometimes
• 2867[18:18:11] <tx> It's 2017 though
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• 2869[18:18:21] <tx> using the internet without javascript is like using a car with 3 wheels
• 2870[18:18:56] <greycat> I refuse to open unsolicited IRC pastebins in a GUI/javascript browser
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• 2877[18:21:27] <simbalion`> jelly: I found a number of results myself but they each speak about removing certain packages and I'm a bit cautious so I was hoping someone might be able to offer advice regarding my specific situation
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• 2882[18:22:50] <cysill> greycat has a point. No reason to need JavaScript for reading plain text.
• 2883[18:22:52] <greycat> A couple years ago, for reasons which I do not understand, the notion that "every web site should be encrypted" somehow caught on. Like hotcakes. Like wildfire. Like hotcakes on fire.
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• 2885[18:23:10] <greycat> Unfortuantely, it turns out our software and infrastructure weren't ready for it.
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• 2890[18:24:04] <jelly> simbalion`: do you have libgnutls-deb0-28 mentioned in that and the other bts report, installed?
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• 2893[18:24:40] <greycat> Massive use of https required reworking some of the protocols ("certificate stapling" and all that), and apparently just putting it in the libraries isn't enough. The *applications* have to be modified too.
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• 2895[18:25:37] <simbalion`> jelly: 3.3.8-6+deb8u5
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• 2899[18:26:04] <koollman> greycat: not that much. They do need some basic support. but you can make a pretty
• 2900[18:26:15] <koollman> *pretty compatible configuration server-side
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• 2902[18:26:25] <Violinist> wow lol look at cowsay
• 2903[18:26:26] <Violinist> <zpx> it's amazing how "not-broken" \
• 2904[18:26:26] <Violinist> \ debian is compared to slack and rh
• 2905[18:26:26] <jelly> simbalion`: and would anything useful for you get removed if you removed it? Test with "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28"
• 2906[18:26:32] <greycat> I'm on my third text-mode browser now. lynx can't do it. elinks can't do it. Looks like w3m can, but I'm still learning the user interface. It is bizarre.
• 2907[18:26:47] <Violinist> lel
• 2908[18:26:59] <jelly> greycat: elinks still doesn't have SNI, which is like 12 years old now
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• 2913[18:27:37] <greycat> Well, it's pretty sad that a web browser that's *in* debian cannot open replaced-url
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• 2919[18:28:01] <greycat> or any of the other dozens of https paste sites that people started using
• 2920[18:28:02] <jelly> there's all sorts of software with partial capabilities in debian
• 2921[18:28:49] <jelly> you want a decent, up to date browser, there's only two: chrome/chromium and firefox
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• 2923[18:29:22] <simbalion`> jelly: looks like libcurl3-gnutls, that seems pretty important right?
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• 2925[18:29:34] <jelly> simbalion`: no, those are all old libs
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• 2927[18:29:41] <simbalion`> jelly: Okay, thanks :)
• 2928[18:29:47] <jelly> get rid of both, see if that makes things better
• 2929[18:30:05] <jelly> you can reinstall them back later if you have custom compiled software
• 2930[18:30:17] <jelly> ,v libcurl3-gnutls
• 2931[18:30:18] <judd> Package: libcurl3-gnutls on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy19; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; sid: 7.52.1-5; stretch: 7.52.1-5
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• 2935[18:31:21] <simbalion`> I tried to remove libcurl3-gnutls and it lists a huge number of apps that'd be removed with it
• 2936[18:32:01] <Violinist> dont do it
• 2937[18:32:05] <jelly> simbalion`: I just asked you if there was anything important in the list for "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28", was it not present there?
• 2938[18:32:08] <Violinist> ull have to reinstall
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• 2940[18:32:18] <simbalion`> jelly: that only shows libcurl3-gnutls
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• 2942[18:32:44] <jelly> simbalion`: so remove just that.
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• 2944[18:33:09] <Violinist> jelly, how
• 2945[18:33:21] <jelly> simbalion`: or try to do that, if it still wants to remove lots of stuff, don't do it
• 2946[18:33:29] <jelly> Violinist: do you also have the same issue?
• 2947[18:33:38] <Violinist> no
• 2948[18:33:47] <Violinist> but sometimes it want to remove everything
• 2949[18:33:59] <Violinist> ive had that happen before
• 2950[18:34:01] <jelly> that's why we use -s / --dry-run first
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• 2953[18:34:16] <koollman> greycat: I am curious about the way things are failing for you. Always interesting to know what I should look for and test when setting up https :)
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• 2959[18:35:09] <jelly> simbalion`: there should be no difference in stated package removals between "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28" and "apt-get remove libgnutls-deb0-28", is there?
• 2960[18:35:11] <simbalion`> jelly: That's what I said, it's trying to remove lots of stuff, but that's maybe unrelated..
• 2961[18:35:12] <greycat> koollman: elinks replaced-url
• 2962[18:35:33] <simbalion`> how do I tell it not to remove lots of stuff? Like audacious, that's a music player, seems unrelated
• 2963[18:35:39] <jelly> simbalion`: right. ^C that, don't let it, and pastebin full outputs for both
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• 2965[18:35:53] <greycat> koollman: lynx replaced-url
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• 2968[18:36:54] <greycat> simbalion`: did you *fully* upgrade from jessie to stretch, or are you running some kind of hybrid?
• 2969[18:37:03] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2973[18:37:17] <jelly> greycat: links2 2.14-2+b1 seems to work on that site for some reason
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• 2978[18:38:09] <greycat> ,v gdm3
• 2979[18:38:10] <judd> Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-8; jessie: 3.14.1-7; stretch: 3.22.3-2; sid: 3.22.3-2; experimental: 3.24.2-1
• 2980[18:38:22] <greycat> Hmm, he has the stretch version of that....
• 2981[18:38:24] <jelly> greycat: links2 linked against openssl, and its cousin elinks uses gnutls in debian, go figure
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• 2985[18:38:49] <greycat> I'm still wondering what COMMAND simbalion` ran, because he didn't show it.
• 2986[18:39:27] <jelly> simbalion`: which command is that from?
• 2987[18:39:31] <greycat> He must be using one of those damned shell script thingies that pastes the OUTPUT of a command to a web site, which leaves you without the command.
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• 2990[18:39:40] <simbalion`> jelly: apt-get -s remove libcurl3-gnutls
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• 2992[18:39:48] <greycat> ...
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• 2994[18:40:00] <jelly> simbalion`: it says it's going to remove a ton of stuff
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• 2997[18:40:31] <jelly> The following packages will be REMOVED: [a ton of stuff follows]
• 2998[18:40:52] <jelly> different from <simbalion`> jelly: that only shows libcurl3-gnutls
• 2999[18:40:59] <spacemn> on Stretch, how do I change the console keyboard layout to Colemak?
• 3000[18:41:02] <greycat> You told him to do "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28" and he did "apt-get -s remove libcurl3-gnutls"
• 3001[18:41:03] <koollman> greycat: so, yeah, I can reproduce your problem on jessie. which is kind of fun. curl do work, though, so I wonder what's different for lynx or elinks
• 3002[18:41:10] <jelly> oh
• 3003[18:41:17] <jelly> missed that
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• 3007[18:41:48] <jelly> simbalion`: what about "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28"
• 3008[18:42:08] <simbalion`> jelly: apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28 only shows libcurl3-gnutls.
• 3009[18:42:19] <koollman> greycat: the difference seems to be openssl vs gnutls
• 3010[18:42:23] <greycat> That makes no sense at all.
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• 3012[18:42:38] <jelly> simbalion`: pastebin the full output
• 3013[18:42:44] <greycat> I just removed libgnutls-deb0-28 on a stretch box that was upgraded from jessie. It did not remove any other packages.
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• 3015[18:43:03] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
• 3016[18:43:09] <jelly> mine only removes some leftover libs (didn't do any deborphan cleanup)
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• 3020[18:43:37] <greycat> simbalion`: it's trying to INSTALL libcurl3-gnutls but it can't
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• 3022[18:43:51] <jelly> simbalion`: it alos mentions an error!
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• 3024[18:43:56] <jelly> that's kind of relevant
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• 3027[18:44:09] <jelly> !bat
• 3028[18:44:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 3031[18:44:32] <jelly> simbalion`: ^^ follow that for your "apt-get -s remove libgnutls-deb0-28" command.
• 3032[18:44:35] <simbalion`> jelly: sorry, I thought that particular error was implied
• 3033[18:44:57] <jelly> nothing is implied, apt doesn't usually throw errors
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• 3035[18:45:28] <jelly> ,v librtmp1
• 3036[18:45:29] <judd> Package: librtmp1 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1+deb8u1; stretch: 2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1; sid: 2.4+20151223.gitfa8646d.1-1+b1; jessie-multimedia: 2:2.4~20150315.gita107cef9b-dmo1+deb8u2; sid-multimedia: 2:2.4~20160119.gitfa8646dae-dmo5
• 3037[18:46:32] * jelly suspects something like replaced-url
• 3038[18:46:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3041[18:47:22] <koollman> greycat: so, it's not really that it requires application modification. it's that application has a bug, really.
• 3042[18:47:31] <jelly> dmo's epoch bump preventing upgrades from stretch to take place
• 3043[18:47:53] <koollman> greycat: replaced-url
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• 3045[18:47:54] <simbalion`> jelly: replaced-url
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• 3047[18:48:40] <koollman> greycat: using ssl does not add the bug, it just reveals it :)
• 3048[18:48:52] <jelly> simbalion`: so yeah, you also have librtmp1 from jessie dmo
• 3049[18:48:52] <simbalion`> hrm, seems like librtmp1 was held back
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• 3051[18:49:19] <simbalion`> how do I see why?
• 3052[18:49:24] <jelly> simbalion`: and you still have jessie dmo repo enabled.
• 3053[18:49:43] <simbalion`> must be in one of the secondary .lists it's not in the main sources.list
• 3054[18:50:24] <jelly> get rid of it, get rid of any packages from dmo, do an update and dist-upgrade then, _then_ check if you still need any packages from dmo
• 3055[18:50:28] <jelly> !dmo
• 3056[18:50:28] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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• 3058[18:50:37] <jelly> !dmm remove
• 3059[18:50:37] <simbalion`> jelly: what is dmo?
• 3060[18:50:37] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
• 3061[18:50:54] <jelly> see above
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• 3065[18:52:05] <simbalion`> I seem to recall I installed deb-multimedia.org stuff in order to get certain sound or video codecs working that otherwise had no support at all
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• 3069[18:52:39] <jelly> it used to be quite useful around squeeze or wheezy
• 3070[18:53:12] <jelly> these days most of stuff needed for decoding is already in debian
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• 3072[18:53:27] <jhutchins_wk> Definitely needed it in Etch and Lenny.
• 3073[18:53:38] <jelly> (they do still ship some software that's not in debian at all)
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• 3076[18:54:22] <jhutchins_wk> mp3 patent is expiring shortly.
• 3077[18:54:57] <jelly> and mp3 will be free
• 3078[18:55:02] <simbalion`> hrm, that removed openshot, I hope dmo isn't required for that
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• 3080[18:55:09] <jelly> ,v openshot
• 3081[18:55:10] <judd> Package: openshot on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.2-1.1; jessie: 1.4.3-1.1; sid: 1.4.3-1.2; stretch: 1.4.3-1.2; wheezy-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4
• 3082[18:55:11] <phogg> I thought it was all expired already (like a few weeks ago)
• 3083[18:56:11] <phogg> I guess not, at least two still remain
• 3084[18:57:19] <BluesKaj> who cares it's lossy crappy sounding encoded audio ...wav ftw in this day and age of large storage devices
• 3085[18:57:39] <jhutchins_wk> Iirc all licensing has expired, but the patent remains.
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• 3088[18:58:02] <phogg> BluesKaj: I care. There are still tons of mp3 files out there.
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• 3091[18:58:22] <tx> at least it's not real audio
• 3092[18:58:24] <tx> or windows media audio
• 3093[18:58:36] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: yeah that was what I was remembering; RH legal apparently indicated that they'll now ship codecs.
• 3094[18:58:57] <BluesKaj> phogg, i replaced mine with the wav versions...it took a while but it was worth it
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• 3096[18:59:09] <phogg> BluesKaj: why? Use flac at least.
• 3097[18:59:15] <simbalion`> I removed all the dmo repos and did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm still seeing dmo stuff listed
• 3098[18:59:37] <phogg> BluesKaj: in many cases I still have mp3 files where I no longer have working discs. Bytes don't age as badly as physical media.
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• 3100[18:59:48] <greycat> Removing repositories does not remove the packages that came from them.
• 3101[19:00:02] <jhutchins_wk> simbalion`: You could use the interactive mode and search for dmo, mark and delete.
• 3102[19:00:03] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
• 3103[19:00:16] <simbalion`> found it.. I missed a file
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• 3105[19:00:20] <BluesKaj> flac is still on the fly decoding, converted all my flacs to wav too
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• 3108[19:01:24] <jelly> greycat: the recipe first does package removal based on Origin: while the repo is still there, and _then_ asks to remove repo
• 3109[19:01:30] <phogg> BluesKaj: but why? You can't afford the CPU time to decode?
• 3110[19:01:52] <jelly> simbalion`: did you do exactly what the recipe for !dmm remove said?
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• 3113[19:02:12] <simbalion`> using uncompressed audio is a waste of space unless you're a music producer and people who say they can hear the difference are lying
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• 3115[19:02:21] <BluesKaj> less processing gives better sound, that's my philosophy
• 3116[19:02:22] <simbalion`> jelly: yes, but I missed a .list file
• 3117[19:02:38] <phogg> BluesKaj: you're wrong, but have fun wasting disk space
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• 3119[19:03:08] <BluesKaj> it's not a waste to me
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• 3123[19:03:43] <simbalion`> if you're not a music producer it is
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• 3125[19:03:55] <simbalion`> but it's your money so whatever. Yay liberty!
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• 3132[19:04:53] <BluesKaj> simbalion`, I have plenty of space, i don't care because storage is cheap
• 3133[19:05:40] <simbalion`> cheap is relative, it's certainly cheaper than it used to be, but if all your music is stored digitally and uncompressed then your storage is going to be used up very fast which, to me, negates the affordability of it.
• 3134[19:05:46] <simbalion`> Perhaps you have less music than me..
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• 3136[19:06:00] <simbalion`> it's all subjective
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• 3141[19:06:44] <simbalion`> looks like there's an openshot package without dmo so that's good
• 3142[19:06:49] <jelly> simbalion`: so do you have librtmp1 from repo now
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• 3144[19:06:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm pretty judicious about music ...I don't keep anything we don'r like
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• 3147[19:07:25] <jelly> BluesKaj: I can't make myself rip everything again... so mp3s for me.
• 3148[19:07:55] <jelly> 256kbps, 99% tracks I don't hear a difference
• 3149[19:07:55] <simbalion`> jelly: Installed: 2:2.4~20160119.gitfa8646dae-dmo5
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• 3151[19:08:05] <BluesKaj> it's not rippmg ...ripping implies lossless compression
• 3152[19:08:05] <jelly> simbalion`: that's still a dmo version
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• 3154[19:08:20] <simbalion`> jelly: Yeah, how do I fix that? I tried that command you suggested
• 3155[19:08:20] <jelly> BluesKaj: ripping doesn't imply any compression
• 3156[19:08:24] <BluesKaj> or lossy rather :-)
• 3157[19:09:05] <jelly> ripping is transfer from the physical media you bought music in to other, more pretty media
• 3158[19:09:54] <jelly> and it takes time
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• 3160[19:09:58] * BluesKaj shrugs
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• 3162[19:10:17] <jelly> and finding those cds somewhere
• 3163[19:10:18] <BluesKaj> I have time ..I'm an old retired guy
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• 3167[19:11:09] <tx> And when you pass, you will leave your legacy
• 3168[19:11:11] <tx> in its' full
• 3169[19:11:14] <BluesKaj> and still own lots of vinyl
• 3170[19:11:14] <tx> uncompressed glory ;)
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• 3173[19:11:31] <tx> BluesKaj: as do I
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• 3175[19:11:37] <tx> but vinyl doesn't last or play forever :(
• 3176[19:11:41] <tx> It's just fun.
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• 3178[19:12:23] <jelly> simbalion`: do you have any other packages with dmo in version number? aptitude search '~i ?version(.*dmo.*)'
• 3179[19:12:24] <BluesKaj> if it's propely taken care of , vinyl will last for many many yrs
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• 3182[19:12:59] <tx> BluesKaj: sure
• 3183[19:13:03] <simbalion`> jelly: that turned up a long list, so yes
• 3184[19:13:12] <simbalion`> some of them say 'A' before the name and others don't, whats that mean?
• 3185[19:13:36] <gnunix> how come Gnome software center isn't included in debian jessie?
• 3186[19:13:51] <simbalion`> fwiw git is now working, tho I do appreciate your help in cleaning out the dmo stuff too
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• 3188[19:14:07] <cronicx> hello dudes, question: i have installed glib 2.13 on 1 server, there is a compiled check that needs glibc 2.15 , does apt-install libc6=2.15 has any effect to other compiled program? Or would apt install this as "2nd" glibc?
• 3189[19:14:08] <jelly> simbalion`: so apparently that first command with aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' inside it didn't do a lot for you
• 3190[19:14:21] <simbalion`> jelly: it did the first time, but now it returns an error
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• 3192[19:14:30] <jelly> cronicx: there is no libc6 2.15 in debian
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• 3194[19:14:42] <simbalion`> jelly: dpkg: error: --remove needs at least one package name argument
• 3195[19:14:44] <missmbob> ,v gnome-software
• 3196[19:14:45] <judd> Package: gnome-software on amd64 -- stretch: 3.22.5-1; sid: 3.22.5-1; experimental: 3.25.1-1
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• 3198[19:15:00] <missmbob> gnunix: ^
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• 3201[19:15:20] <gnunix> E: Package 'gnome-software' has no installation candidate
• 3202[19:15:22] <jelly> simbalion`: A means automatically installed as a dependency
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• 3205[19:15:52] <cronicx> jelly: glibc 2.15 sry
• 3206[19:15:55] <simbalion`> jelly: I think the issue is that after I did that command, which removed a bunch of packages, then I did an update and dist-upgrade without realizing I had overlooked a deb-multimedia.list file and so it reinstalled some of them
• 3207[19:15:56] <missmbob> gnunix: are you not reading that it's in stretch and newer?
• 3208[19:16:01] <jelly> cronicx: that's same thing
• 3209[19:16:05] <simbalion`> but now that command returns an error
• 3210[19:16:15] <gnunix> missmbob: sorry..
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• 3212[19:16:29] <johnfg> hi folks
• 3213[19:16:39] <jelly> simbalion`: so put the repo back, do an apt-get update, and do the dpkg ... command again
• 3214[19:16:40] <tx> hello folk
• 3215[19:16:55] <johnfg> I don't want or need *any* firewall on scratch, as I do all of that through my router.
• 3216[19:17:11] <simbalion`> jelly: arg I didn't save the file, good thing I have backups
• 3217[19:17:20] <jelly> johnfg: you're in luck, debian does not have any firewall by default
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• 3219[19:17:28] <johnfg> Is there anything other than firewalld or iptables that would be blocking any ports or would there be any other firewall?
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• 3221[19:17:51] <gnunix> missmbob: but i'm running Jessie 8.8, i just want to install it.
• 3222[19:17:55] <johnfg> jelly: So you'd say no, to that question.
• 3223[19:18:02] <maxxe> anybody running stretch?
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• 3225[19:18:06] <missmbob> gnunix: you cant in jessie
• 3226[19:18:06] <jelly> johnfg: which debian release? stretch also has nftables
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• 3228[19:18:14] <johnfg> maxxe: I am.
• 3229[19:18:17] <gnunix> missmbob: Thank you.
• 3230[19:18:20] <johnfg> maxxe: in a vm
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• 3236[19:19:08] <gnunix> maxxe: i hope for you, you are not running as a daily
• 3237[19:19:15] <BluesKaj> johnfg, stretch here too, but kdeplasma DE
• 3238[19:19:40] <BluesKaj> on a ssd
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• 3240[19:19:56] <simbalion`> jelly: dpkg: error: --remove needs a valid package name but 'libavcodec56' is not: ambiguous package name 'libavcodec56' with more than one installed instance
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• 3244[19:20:36] <greycat> you may need :amd64 and/or :i386
• 3245[19:21:04] <simbalion`> johnfg: you may want to use a software firewall anyway, if you have wifi someone could connect and attack your machines from inside the network
• 3246[19:21:05] <maxxe> gnunix: 'running as a daily'?
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• 3248[19:21:20] <simbalion`> there's really no reason to not firewall everything you aren't using
• 3249[19:21:44] <gnunix> maxxe: sorry, english isnt my native tongue, i mean, you dont run a testing version of debian on a daily basis, right
• 3250[19:21:44] <tx> secure by defaultTM
• 3251[19:22:19] <simbalion`> and as ipv6 becomes more common individual machines on a LAN will have real internet IPs so "router firewalling" won't be as reliable as it is/was with ipv4
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• 3253[19:23:04] <simbalion`> unless your router has real firewall capabilities built in which most do not
• 3254[19:23:09] <johnfg> simbalion`: So, in your opinion, would you do both iptables and the router, or just iptables?
• 3255[19:23:16] * Atm0spher1c running sid and testing daily
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• 3257[19:23:46] <simbalion`> johnfg: I don't use my router for anything but routing and DHCP. iptables works great, I use Ferm with it to make configuration easier.. be aware it's being replaced with nftables
• 3258[19:24:10] <BluesKaj> oops my posts were directed to the wrong nick , maxxe , stretch is very stable here, but I'm a home user not a prodution machine
• 3259[19:24:11] <johnfg> simbalion`: What jelly was referring to.
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• 3261[19:24:29] <simbalion`> johnfg: yes.
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• 3269[19:27:10] <jelly> simbalion`: whether your systems have a publically routable address (ipv6 or not), a border firewall is still a good idea
• 3270[19:27:33] <jelly> publicly?
• 3271[19:27:48] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 3278[19:28:26] <johnfg> I'm dealing with an openafs-client problem on stretch. How can I check if certain ports are open or closed?
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• 3280[19:28:43] <Atm0spher1c> johnfg, sudo ss -aptun
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• 3284[19:29:42] * greycat still doesn't know what "open" and "closed" are supposed to mean in the context of TCP ports, except "I used nmap"
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• 3291[19:30:38] <shannara> 8
• 3292[19:30:47] <johnfg> Atm0spher1c: thanks
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• 3295[19:32:05] <simbalion`> jelly: okay I think I've removed all the dmo stuff, thanks for your help
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• 3297[19:32:27] <simbalion`> I'm having difficulty upgrading dolphin to the version in stretch, it says it has unmet dependencies
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• 3299[19:32:59] <tx> paste issue
• 3300[19:33:02] <tx> hastebin.com or w/e
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• 3305[19:33:38] <johnfg> greycat: so, when I ran nmap 192.168.100.193 (my scratch vm ip) -p1-65535, it only shows 22, 80, and 389 open.
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• 3307[19:33:56] <greycat> Yup, an nmap user. I knew it.
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• 3309[19:34:26] <greycat> Does nmap's "open" mean "I sent a TCP handshake to this port and managed to connect", or what? I never could understand their terminology.
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• 3311[19:34:42] <tx> simbalion`: what distro?
• 3312[19:34:44] <tx> /version
• 3313[19:34:59] <simbalion`> tx: stretch, I just upgraded last night
• 3314[19:35:01] <jhutchins_wk> Open just means it received a response from something listening on that port.
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• 3317[19:35:38] <johnfg> greycat: :-)
• 3318[19:35:59] <simbalion`> when I did a dist-upgrade it said dolphin was being held back, so I figured I'd try to update it
• 3319[19:36:01] <johnfg> How would I open both the tcp/udp ports 7000-7005?
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• 3322[19:36:26] <greycat> ....
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• 3329[19:37:07] <tx> johnfg: you need to use the ports for something
• 3330[19:37:13] <greycat> (a) have some process listen to these ports. (b) remove whatever firewall would prevent them from receiving packets, or from sending response packets.
• 3331[19:37:15] <tx> something needs to be listening on them
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• 3333[19:37:42] <johnfg> They're needed for openafs. Actually, not all 6 for the client, but for openafs in general.
• 3334[19:38:02] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: That's the Apple file sharing protocol?
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• 3337[19:38:46] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: andrew distributed file system.
• 3338[19:39:17] <jelly> johnfg: there's nothing to "open" if there's no firewall, the default is everything is open
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• 3340[19:39:51] <johnfg> jelly: Why then does the nmap cmd only return those 3 I mentioned?
• 3341[19:40:14] <simbalion`> johnfg: a port can be open (not firewalled) but non-responding.
• 3342[19:40:20] <greycat> because you HAVEN'T GOT THE LISTENING PROCESS RUNNING YET
• 3343[19:40:28] <`Kevin> johnfg: as noted above ^ if you do not have someting listenning on the socket/port then a port scanner is not going to show it as open
• 3344[19:40:39] <`Kevin> because nothing responds.
• 3345[19:40:41] <jelly> johnfg: possibley because you don't have any other listeners running on the other 997 well-known ports it tests?
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• 3347[19:41:06] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, run dist-upgrade again
• 3348[19:41:09] <johnfg> I do have openafs-client running, but there's a problem with it rw-ing the directories in my cell.
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• 3351[19:41:43] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: says 0 to upgrade
• 3352[19:41:43] <`Kevin> `client` ?
• 3353[19:42:01] <Atm0spher1c> update first
• 3354[19:42:05] <simbalion`> Atm0spher1c: I did
• 3355[19:42:07] <jelly> simbalion`: did you do the rest of the dmm remove recipe? "apt-get -f install" before trying to reinstall removed packages?
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• 3357[19:42:22] <simbalion`> jelly: yep
• 3358[19:42:22] <johnfg> `Kevin: to me? Yes, openafs-client. debian jessie is my openafs-fileserver.
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• 3360[19:42:34] <greycat> johnfg: "ss -t -l" will show the TCP ports that are being listened-to.
• 3361[19:42:40] <simbalion`> jelly: the dmm stuff is all gone
• 3362[19:42:44] <Freemon> any1 alive?
• 3363[19:42:44] <johnfg> Other clients can connect and rw with no problems.
• 3364[19:42:49] <jelly> simbalion`: then follow the "basic apt troubleshooting" again with dolphin install attempt in mind
• 3365[19:42:50] <Freemon> i need some help
• 3366[19:42:52] <johnfg> greycat: thanks.
• 3367[19:43:04] <jelly> simbalion`: if it scrolled off, /msg dpkg bat
• 3368[19:43:04] <simbalion`> jelly: okay
• 3369[19:43:08] <Atm0spher1c> simbalion`, cat /etc/debian_version
• 3370[19:43:32] <`Kevin> johnfg: follow that command greycat pointed out, my point is simply that typically client processes to not listen on a port they just connect to something that is listening
• 3371[19:43:36] <`Kevin> do not/
• 3372[19:43:49] <Freemon> any1 use pHYCHARM IDE here?
• 3373[19:43:57] <Freemon> or any Intellif Ids?
• 3374[19:44:03] <Freemon> Intellij
• 3375[19:44:15] <johnfg> Nothing's listening on them.
• 3376[19:44:33] <Freemon> anyone ?
• 3377[19:44:54] <tx> Freemon: dude
• 3378[19:44:54] <Atm0spher1c> Freemon, hell no!
• 3379[19:44:56] <`Kevin> johnfg: fileserver for openafs is port 7000/udp, try ss -u -l
• 3380[19:44:57] <tx> you asked like a minute ago
• 3381[19:44:58] <tx> calm down
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• 3383[19:45:15] <Freemon> areplaced-url
• 3384[19:45:18] <Freemon> why not
• 3385[19:45:22] <jelly> Freemon: irc is an asynchronous protocol, be patient
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• 3387[19:45:51] <Freemon> :(
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• 3389[19:45:57] <jelly> people don't get a notification for every line written her
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• 3391[19:46:23] <Freemon> can some one tell me when i get dam squar sign on Intellij IDEs ?.. so weird
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• 3393[19:46:38] <Freemon> i mean words are dam squar signs
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• 3397[19:46:48] <tx> ok..
• 3398[19:47:16] <greycat> Missing fonts? That's what gives me "rectangles" in certain web browsers.
• 3399[19:47:20] <simbalion`> Freemon: Have you tried #jetbrains?
• 3400[19:47:31] <simbalion`> Freemon: I use phpstorm but I don't know if I can help you
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• 3402[19:47:39] <Freemon> well i tried font i dont know its doesnt works...
• 3403[19:47:53] <Freemon> pycharm = better than phpstorm
• 3404[19:48:07] <jmcnaught> Freemon: or maybe try one of the free IDEs in Debian. GNOME Builder is new and looks interesting. There's also eric, spyder and quite a few others
• 3405[19:48:07] <Freemon> + i need anroid studio
• 3406[19:48:10] <tx> you mean square brackets?
• 3407[19:48:10] <tx> [ ]
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• 3409[19:48:13] <simbalion`> thanks guys I did apt-cache on all the dolphin dependencies and installed them manually and now dolphin installs
• 3410[19:48:13] <apt> simbalion`: my pleasure
• 3411[19:48:15] <Freemon> that too have all squar signs
• 3412[19:48:35] <simbalion`> Freemon: whatever, phpstorm does everything I need.
• 3413[19:48:54] <jelly> simbalion`: bet it doesn't show pretty squares!
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• 3416[19:49:21] <Freemon> man i want to know the reason not alternative recomendations
• 3417[19:49:23] <simbalion`> jelly: I have no idea what that means :)
• 3418[19:49:37] <simbalion`> Freemon: contact jet brains support they've been very helpful to me
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• 3420[19:50:15] <Freemon> i contacted them they adviced me to check java .. which i did but still same
• 3421[19:50:20] <jelly> simbalion`: doesn't matter. See if apt-get dist-upgrade still shows something is held back, if there's nothing to upgrade then that's it
• 3422[19:50:27] <Freemon> telling me to chk jdk path
• 3423[19:50:30] <`Kevin> Freemon: did you identify which fonts are used in the file?
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• 3425[19:50:40] <simbalion`> jelly: nope!
• 3426[19:50:57] <maxxe> BluesKaj, am also a home user
• 3427[19:50:58] <Freemon> i cant identify anything whole UI font appears to be sqare signs
• 3428[19:51:29] <johnfg> 'Kevin nothing there either.
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• 3430[19:52:00] <Freemon> i changed fonts to debian default fonts still same
• 3431[19:52:41] <Circuitsoft> Anyone know why openjdk-7-jdk owns 106,000 files under /usr/share/doc?
• 3432[19:53:03] <Circuitsoft> "dpkg-query -L openjdk-7-jdk | fgrep /usr/share/doc/openjdk-7-jre-headless/test-amd64 | wc -l" gives 106566
• 3433[19:53:16] <jmcnaught> Freemon: the reason i suggested alternatives is because the software included with Debian is supported here. If you have trouble with a third party proprietary software you should be asking the people who sold it you for help.
• 3434[19:53:21] <`Kevin> johnfg: ok then you do not have openafs fileserver running
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• 3438[19:54:14] <Freemon> hmm the weird thing is that when i installed in in vmware after installing fresh installing debian fonts were fine ... now i dont know where is stuck on this
• 3439[19:54:31] <jmcnaught> Freemon: also you get a signed photograph of RMS in the mail if you learn emacs, another great options
• 3440[19:55:11] <Freemon> emacs from Pros not for me
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• 3442[19:55:40] <Freemon> their is a thin line i draw between cli and gui
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• 3447[19:57:20] <`Kevin> Freemon: lsof the process where it works and see what fonts it is using (lsof -n -p 12345 | grep '\.ttf$') compare to where it is broken and see if there is a difference where 12345 is the pid
• 3448[19:57:27] <`Kevin> that should to some extent at least rule out one possibility
• 3449[19:57:45] <cronicx> jelly: why does the chaik says that i need 2.15? ( /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found )
• 3450[19:57:53] <cronicx> *check
• 3451[19:58:07] <Freemon> Kevin u think its font issue?
• 3452[19:58:59] <`Kevin> im not sure what else to check offhand but that sone possibility as others also noted yea
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• 3456[20:00:11] <greycat> If installing whatever fonts you can think of to make replaced-url
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• 3461[20:00:45] <kms_> how to turn alert sounds off in gnome shell?
• 3462[20:01:10] <kms_> after reboot it turned on again
• 3463[20:01:43] <BluesKaj> maxxe, I can only say thet kde/plasma has been very stable on my old pc (2008 vintage), everything works fine, even the legacy nvidia-340 driver
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• 3467[20:01:58] <Freemon> thx
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• 3469[20:02:47] <maxxe> BluesKaj, okey. perhaps I should upgrade.
• 3470[20:03:04] <BluesKaj> maxxe, which DE?
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• 3473[20:03:23] <maxxe> de?
• 3474[20:03:29] <Freemon> Pycharm IDe
• 3475[20:03:45] <BluesKaj> desktop environment, maxxe
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• 3477[20:04:07] <maxxe> xfce
• 3478[20:04:44] <maxxe> have it on the server too. but there I can wait to upgrade.
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• 3480[20:05:08] <BluesKaj> maxxe, think you'll be fine with xfce afaik
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• 3483[20:05:50] <maxxe> BluesKaj, yeah. seems like stretch is close also. 'Debian Stretch ETA 2017-06-17'
• 3484[20:06:10] <BluesKaj> yup june 17th
• 3485[20:06:14] <greycat> where are you seeing that?
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• 3488[20:06:24] <jelly> /topic
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• 3490[20:06:36] <BluesKaj> greycat, topic
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• 3492[20:06:46] <greycat> OK... where did themill see it? :-/
• 3493[20:06:53] <jelly> that would be telling!
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• 3496[20:07:47] <greycat> Ah, replaced-url
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• 3506[20:10:51] <jmcnaught> kms_: you turned them off in settings > sound > sound effects and set the alert volume to off?
• 3507[20:11:42] <kms_> yes
• 3508[20:12:19] <jmcnaught> kms_: do you have pavucontrol installed? can you check that system sounds is muted there?
• 3509[20:12:20] <tictacbum> Hello, I am trying to make fn keys work on a laptop, some are working other not. The vol up/down keys trigger "press" event on showkey, but not the "release" one
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• 3515[20:15:05] <kms_> i am install pavucontrol now
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• 3518[20:15:18] <kms_> system sounds is muted
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• 3521[20:15:50] <jmcnaught> so what program is making sounds? non-GNOME programs aren't necessarily going to use the same notification system
• 3522[20:15:57] <jonspw> Hey, does anyone know if it's possible to adjust sudo rules in debian live (clonezilla) so that "sudo su" is not possible from the default "user"? My rules seem to be having 0 impact and I'm a bit lost as to why.
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• 3524[20:16:55] <kms_> i am go to reboot
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• 3526[20:17:04] <BluesKaj> jonspw, add yourself to the sudo group
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• 3529[20:17:37] <jonspw> BluesKaj i'm working in the squashfs file. "user" doesn't seem to actually exist which i think is the source of my problems. ie it has no entry in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow
• 3530[20:17:38] <tvm_> alright, what do i do to get through this gmail "authentication" procedure with Thunderbird on jessie ? I've had same problem on other platforms, but update solved that. There's no backport of newer thunderbird for jessie.
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• 3532[20:18:15] <jelly> jonspw: what does "id -a" say when you run it as that default user?
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• 3534[20:18:31] <jonspw> good one. gonna check.
• 3535[20:18:39] <BluesKaj> jonspw, sorry dunno how the live medis permissions works ,..missed that
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• 3538[20:18:57] <jmcnaught> tvm_: i briefly used a gmail account with thunderbird on jessie, and from what i recall it defaulted to OAUTH, and came up with a little browser window to authenticate the first time
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• 3540[20:19:08] <jonspw> jelly 1000
• 3541[20:19:19] <jelly> jonspw: that's not all it says
• 3542[20:19:26] <jelly> or is it?
• 3543[20:19:29] <jonspw> well of course not
• 3544[20:19:46] <jelly> jonspw: what does "id -a" say when you run it as that default user? All of it please.
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• 3547[20:20:54] <jonspw> uid=1000(user gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom) - etc etc. rest of groups listed are just giving it access to subsystems
• 3548[20:20:55] <tvm_> jmcnaught: that is exactly the problem
• 3549[20:21:12] <greycat> Paste. Paste. The. Results. Do not mistype parts of it.
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• 3551[20:21:21] <jelly> jonspw: what else is in etc. etc. part?
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• 3553[20:21:40] <greycat> note that he also dropped the ) after uid=1000(user
• 3554[20:21:45] <jonspw> 25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),36(plugdev),109(netdev)
• 3555[20:21:45] <jmcnaught> tvm_: when you add the account do you let thunderbird figure out the details, or are you trying to configure it manually for IMAP and password access or something like that?
• 3556[20:21:46] <greycat> no telling what other errors he introduced
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• 3558[20:22:01] <jonspw> Yeah, manually typing, sorry.
• 3559[20:22:06] <kms_> after reboot system sounds is unmuted
• 3560[20:22:18] <jelly> jonspw: show the complete output. I'm interested in whether it lists a sudo or wheel group for a start.
• 3561[20:22:21] <kms_> i want mute it permanently
• 3562[20:22:32] <tvm_> jmcnaught: the button does nothing, it's apparently fixed problem in later releases, but i have to use what is available, i'm adding existing account, it's the SMS authorization window
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• 3564[20:23:00] <jonspw> copy/paste: uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev)
• 3565[20:23:02] <jmcnaught> tvm_: "the button"?
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• 3567[20:23:25] <jelly> jonspw: if it doesn't, that means there is some non-default way it's given permission to run commands under sudo.
• 3568[20:24:02] <jonspw> perhaps it's something clonezilla is doing, but it appears to literally just have a script it execs to run their GUI on top of debian live and not be doing anything system-side itself
• 3569[20:24:04] <tvm_> jmcnaught: it asks for email or phone, then you're supposed to click "next" and advance, but it's broken
• 3570[20:24:15] <jelly> jonspw: that in turn probably means some modification in /etc/sudoers or a file under /etc/sudoers.d/
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• 3572[20:24:30] <jonspw> jelly nope, /etc/sudoers is default and no includes.
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• 3574[20:24:39] <tvm_> jmcnaught: had same issue on other box, update solved it, but i can't just "update" on jessie since there's nothing newer available
• 3575[20:24:45] <jonspw> in fact, i tried putting my sudo rules in /etc/sudoers but they have no impact on this default user.
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• 3577[20:25:05] <jmcnaught> tvm_: what version of thunderbird do you have? "apt-cache policy thunderbird"
• 3578[20:25:13] <jelly> jonspw: if that is true, I have no idea why sudo works. Possibly they tampered with /etc/pam.d/sudo
• 3579[20:25:34] <jonspw> that doesn't appear to be the case either :(
• 3580[20:25:46] <jelly> then ask the clonezilla people.
• 3581[20:25:52] <tvm_> jmcnaught: Installed: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
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• 3583[20:26:08] <jelly> jonspw: can you pastebin their /etc/sudoers?
• 3584[20:26:13] <jelly> !paste
• 3585[20:26:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 3586[20:26:41] <SuperTramp83> kms_, I think you want to blacklist the relevant module replaced-url
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• 3588[20:26:52] <jonspw> jelly replaced-url
• 3589[20:26:52] <jelly> ,v thunderbird
• 3590[20:26:53] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3
• 3591[20:26:54] <jonspw> nothing in sudoers.d
• 3592[20:27:33] <jmcnaught> tvm_: the gmail account i had been using didn't have two factor authentication. did you try another mail client?
• 3593[20:27:56] <kms_> but why system sounds is turned on after reboot?
• 3594[20:28:01] <tvm_> jmcnaught: it works elsewhere, just not in this version of thunderbird
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• 3598[20:28:40] <tvm_> so i can either disable two factor auth or find some workaround
• 3599[20:29:05] <jmcnaught> or get a new email address :P
• 3600[20:29:09] <jelly> jonspw: weird
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• 3602[20:29:27] <tvm_> jmcnaught: well, not planning that yet ;-)
• 3603[20:29:34] <jelly> jonspw: nothing weird in that file tho. And "sudo -i" works for that user?
• 3604[20:29:41] <jonspw> jelly yep, i'm totally banging my head against a wall here. makes no sense.
• 3605[20:30:00] <jonspw> it's passwordless sudo, yes.
• 3606[20:30:04] <jelly> jonspw: does the user have any password set in /etc/shadow?
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• 3608[20:30:22] <wyre> gnome accounts is asking me permanently for my credentials
• 3609[20:30:31] <jonspw> nope. nothing to be found for "user" or id 1000 in /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd
• 3610[20:30:32] <wyre> when I open any app
• 3611[20:30:37] <wyre> how can I fix this?
• 3612[20:30:42] <wyre> should I reconfigure something?
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• 3617[20:31:09] <jmcnaught> kms_: you could try looking in "journalctl --user -b" to see if there is are any clues in your logs
• 3618[20:32:05] <jmcnaught> jonspw: is it some weird hacky script in rc.local that adds the user account when it boots? the clonezilla people probably know more
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• 3620[20:32:38] <jonspw> no rc.local file
• 3621[20:32:42] <SuperTramp83> kms_, **if** your goal is to **permanently** mute all sound, input included, then blacklisting is the way to go. Now, why you'd want that and the reason of clear sound allergy implied within I actually ignore, but that's ok too ^^
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• 3623[20:33:57] <jmcnaught> uhh… blacklisting modules to disable system sounds in GNOME is not a good idea. just unplug speakers if you want no sounds. kms_ has a user level issue, not a system level one
• 3624[20:34:05] <tx> go a step further
• 3625[20:34:12] <tx> remove the sound IC from your motherboard
• 3626[20:34:19] <tx> don't want those CIA people getting in :P
• 3627[20:34:30] <tx> (jk)
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• 3629[20:34:52] <greycat> he might have a builtin speaker that can't be disabled at the hardware level (without intrusive steps)
• 3630[20:35:17] <greycat> so it's not a completely wrong answer, though I suspect it's not the desired one either
• 3631[20:35:24] <jmcnaught> still i don't think they want no sounds, just no beeps for notifications
• 3632[20:35:56] <BluesKaj> jmcnaught, I'm sure there's a method to to disable system sounds, depends on the DE which method is available.
• 3633[20:36:02] <Circuitsoft> For my purposes, blacklisting pcspkr took care of all my sound problems.
• 3634[20:36:06] <SuperTramp83> well, they should clarify it for us
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• 3637[20:36:45] <kms_> this problem on different computers, on clear debian 8.8, i want turn off only system sounds like a "Drip"
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• 3639[20:36:56] <greycat> The original question strongly implied that he HAD managed to disable the undesired sounds via GNOME clicky-crap but that it was being undone upon rebooting, or possibly upon logout (wasn't clearly stated).
• 3640[20:37:35] <jmcnaught> disabling system sounds in GNOME works for me on jessie and stretch. i hate system sounds.
• 3641[20:37:42] <SuperTramp83> oh, it appears I joined the channel late..
• 3642[20:37:49] <tx> system sounds are so 90's
• 3643[20:37:50] <tx> :)
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• 3685[20:50:37] <tictacbum> Trying to write an udev rule like the ones in /lib/udev/hwdb.d/60-keyboard.hwdb, how can I find my keyboard DMI data to match?
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• 3687[20:55:01] <jelly> possibly using dmidecode?
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• 3758[21:29:04] <Antares> Всем пнивет
• 3759[21:29:10] <Antares> yo!
• 3760[21:29:12] <tx> yeah
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• 3763[21:30:13] <Antares> Как дела?
• 3764[21:30:30] <missmbob> !ru
• 3765[21:30:30] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 3777[21:38:10] <p0001223> replaced-url
• 3778[21:38:20] <p0001223> whenever I mount my external hard drive my computer goes into admin mode
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• 3780[21:38:26] <p0001223> i commented out lines 14-16 so my server boots up
• 3781[21:38:33] <greycat> ... what is "admin mode"
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• 3783[21:38:41] <p0001223> mount -a says parse error at line 14 --- ignored
• 3784[21:38:48] <p0001223> it forces me to login as root
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• 3786[21:38:53] <greycat> Oh, you meam "it doesn' boot".
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• 3789[21:40:18] <greycat> So is the actual problem "If I DON'T connect my external hard drive, my computer won't boot (mount failure, drops to single user mode and prompts for root passwd), but if I DO connect it, everything is fine"? If so: use the "noauto" option in fstab for the removable device.
• 3790[21:40:18] <p0001223> no idea im rebooting now to get the correct verbiage
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• 3792[21:40:34] <p0001223> no it has to mount on boot
• 3793[21:40:39] <p0001223> that's not the answer
• 3794[21:40:50] <p0001223> service zoneminder needs to access it immediately
• 3795[21:40:54] <greycat> Then perhaps I don't have the problem correct yet. What are you trying to do?
• 3796[21:41:02] <p0001223> there is obviously an issue with my fstab entry
• 3797[21:41:07] <p0001223> where i have no idea
• 3798[21:41:11] <p0001223> replaced-url
• 3799[21:41:28] <greycat> That isn't useful. We need to know what the problem is first.
• 3800[21:41:34] <p0001223> okay its called emergency mode not admin mode
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• 3803[21:42:16] <p0001223> what happens? replaced-url
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• 3806[21:43:07] <greycat> Are you saying "I cannot mount the partitions *at all* not even in a standard root shell after booting"?
• 3807[21:43:15] <p0001223> i can't even type mount -a
• 3808[21:43:21] <p0001223> and it fails on boot as well
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• 3811[21:43:38] <missmbob> systemd[1]: dev-sdb1.mount: Unit entered failed state.
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• 3813[21:44:07] <greycat> 14 #UUID=d9148201-a5fa-4839-885a-81a2e18afdf7 /dev/sdb1 /newdrive ext4 defaults 0 2
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• 3816[21:44:25] <p0001223> what's wrong with that entry?
• 3817[21:44:27] <greycat> You don't specify the UUID *and* the transient device name (/dev/whatever). You specify one or the other.
• 3818[21:44:39] <p0001223> oh
• 3819[21:44:43] <p0001223> let me try that thanks
• 3820[21:44:48] <p0001223> so remove /dev/sdb1 then?
• 3821[21:44:51] <greycat> yes
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• 3826[21:46:50] <p0001223> handfuls of people have looked at the same entries and didn't notice the same mistake
• 3827[21:46:51] <p0001223> thank you
• 3828[21:47:01] <p0001223> -didn't notice the mistake
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• 3862[22:00:44] <jhutchins_wk> Did someone mention that that line is commented out?
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• 3865[22:01:02] <greycat> Yeah, I think we got that.
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• 3897[22:11:52] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, yes, he knows he commented it because it was broken, presumably he'll enable the corrected line sooner or later.
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• 3900[22:13:17] <p0001223> greycat figured it out thanks though
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• 3903[22:13:27] <p0001223> i can't believe i overlooked that so many times
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• 3932[22:21:46] <fggfgfg> made a mistake and ran a process from ssh without using screen. It's very important this process doesn't stop. What can I do¿? Can I open another terminal, connect through ssh and make it permanent somehow? please help
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• 3937[22:22:38] <greycat> There's reptyr but I don't know how trustworthy it is.
• 3938[22:23:44] <phogg> fggfgfg: you can background and disown the process. CTRL+Z, then say bg to put it into the background, then say disown to disconnect it from the terminal job control. If you need its stdout/stderr you will lose them if/when the terminal exits.
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• 3940[22:24:11] <phogg> fggfgfg: some processes do not cope with losing stdin/stderr/stdout and can crash if they're taken away; it's not common but it can happen
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• 3944[22:24:23] <fggfgfg> phogg i don't think this process will do well if I do ctrl z
• 3945[22:24:27] <fggfgfg> doesn't that pause it?
• 3946[22:24:34] <greycat> Yes.
• 3947[22:24:35] <phogg> fggfgfg: yes.
• 3948[22:24:51] <fggfgfg> I can't pause it
• 3949[22:24:54] <fggfgfg> man I'm fucked
• 3950[22:24:56] <phogg> fggfgfg: that's usually not a problem. is your process doing something realtime?
• 3951[22:25:01] <fggfgfg> yes
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• 3953[22:25:36] <greycat> Well, try reptyr.
• 3954[22:25:38] <fggfgfg> if I write random stuff do I keep the ssh session alive or it will expire sooner or later anyway?
• 3955[22:25:39] <mutante> "retty" and "reptyr" but both are like "at your own risk" (i mean, what isn't )
• 3956[22:25:44] <phogg> fggfgfg: your only other option is what greycat said
• 3957[22:26:12] <mutante> for the next time you could make it so that screen starts automatically each time you login .. i guess
• 3958[22:26:13] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: You can background it and disown it, but I'm not sure what happens to any output.
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• 3960[22:26:38] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: he claims he can't suspend it even for a fraction of a second in order to bg it.
• 3961[22:26:42] <jhutchins_wk> Automatically starting screen at login can lead to unusable accounts. Trust me on this.
• 3962[22:27:06] <jhutchins_wk> AH, I see phogg was ahead of me.
• 3963[22:27:15] <mutante> ok, heh. then just "DONT FORGET SCREEN" >> /etc/motd
• 3964[22:27:24] <fggfgfg> can't I open a new ssh session with the same user?
• 3965[22:27:38] <greycat> Sure, why not.
• 3966[22:27:38] <phogg> fggfgfg: whether the ssh session stays open depends on various settings. If bytes continue to transmit from client to server it will keep it open longer, but network interrupts will still kill it
• 3967[22:27:40] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: Yes, but it won't have any relation/connection to the current session.
• 3968[22:27:40] <fggfgfg> if I write random stuff/press enter repeatedly even if it's only an "output", will I keep the ssh session alive?
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• 3970[22:27:57] <greycat> Dude, that is not your main concern here.
• 3971[22:28:04] <fggfgfg> jhutchins_wk: but it's a process, I must be able to do something to it so it doesn't crash when my ssh session expires
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• 3973[22:28:53] <bit1> could I suggest nohup process.sh > output.txt & ?
• 3974[22:28:57] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: reptyr or background+disown. Both have risks. Next time remember to tmux/screen first.
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• 3976[22:29:01] <Antares> Русскоговорящие есть?
• 3977[22:29:15] <greycat> Open new session, run screen in it, reptyr the process over to the new pty inside screen. Use at your own risk, YMMV.
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• 3982[22:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> Much in *nix depends on planning ahead.
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• 3985[22:31:08] <Antares> replaced-url
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• 3987[22:31:31] <phogg> jhutchins_wk: much in life also
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• 3989[22:32:29] <fggfgfg> you guys are good philosophers but I don't need a philosopher right now
• 3990[22:32:34] <fggfgfg> what about debian ssh connections
• 3991[22:32:44] <greycat> Open new session, run screen in it, reptyr the process over to the new pty inside screen. Use at your own risk, YMMV.
• 3992[22:32:46] <fggfgfg> can I modify their settings in real time somehow so this one doesn't ever expire?
• 3993[22:32:52] <mutante> what is the process actually doing i wonder now
• 3994[22:32:57] <greycat> Does he have me on ignore?
• 3995[22:32:58] <fggfgfg> greycat: what's the risk?
• 3996[22:33:11] <fggfgfg> ymmv
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• 3998[22:33:12] <greycat> The risk is that reptyr may not work and then who the fuck knows what happens.
• 3999[22:33:13] <mutante> it exists. nobody really knows. that's why it's yours
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• 4001[22:33:30] <fggfgfg> greycat: then shut the fuck up if you are not sure about anything I ask
• 4002[22:33:35] <greycat> *plonk*
• 4003[22:33:35] <fggfgfg> I got enough of you already
• 4004[22:33:44] <mutante> now that was rude. end of suuport
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• 4006[22:33:59] <phogg> fggfgfg: reptyr doesn't handle processes with children very well, it may be a problem if the process you're running is trying to interact with stdin in certain ways, plus other less common things
• 4007[22:34:48] <fggfgfg> I can't afford a risk, can I tell debian somehow to avoid closing this ssh session due to inactivity?
• 4008[22:34:48] <Violinist> lel
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• 4010[22:34:58] <phogg> fggfgfg: no one is sure because *we don't know what process you're running*. I also can't tell how bad accidentally killing it is, only you can know that, so I cannot assess the risk.
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• 4015[22:35:15] <phogg> fggfgfg: no setting that you alter after the session has started will affect that
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• 4017[22:36:06] <fggfgfg> phogg: what do you mean by you don't know what process I'm running?
• 4018[22:36:29] <Violinist> guys
• 4019[22:36:33] <Violinist> find . -name '*.js' -exec sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' {} +
• 4020[22:36:33] <Violinist> find . -name "*.txt" -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i '' -e 's/foo/bar/g'
• 4021[22:36:37] <Violinist> which is better?
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• 4023[22:36:43] <greycat> The first one.
• 4024[22:36:46] <Violinist> why
• 4025[22:36:51] <mutante> how about avoiding the problem with inactivity by letting the session actually do some random thing in a loop.. until your process is done
• 4026[22:36:52] <phogg> fggfgfg: you have some undefined process launched from a ssh session. If it's cp reparenting is probably safe, but I can't tell you if it's safe for your process
• 4027[22:36:53] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: If you can't afford a risk, what's your backup/backout plan?
• 4028[22:37:04] <greycat> Occam's razor. Don't introduce new things unnecessarily. Like xargs.
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• 4030[22:37:29] <fggfgfg> mutante: can I open a new ssh session and login with the same user ? that won't kill the current process, right?
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• 4032[22:37:35] <fggfgfg> if I can, I will do what you say
• 4033[22:37:38] <phogg> Violinist: find + sed vs. find + subshell + xargs + sed. You tell me which is simpler.
• 4034[22:37:42] <Violinist> but will those have the same result ?
• 4035[22:37:46] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: No, but it won't connect to the current process either.
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• 4037[22:38:09] <greycat> No, of course not. One is operating on *.js and the other on *.txt. And one uses the BSD sed -i '' thing and the other doesn't.
• 4038[22:38:10] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: I don't know what the limit is, but you can probably have as many different sessions for the same user as you have resources for.
• 4039[22:38:33] <Violinist> ahh well lets say i set those the same
• 4040[22:38:47] <Violinist> both have -i
• 4041[22:38:51] <cysill> greycat: I thought sed -i was GNU only and that BSD lacked it
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• 4043[22:39:02] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: Linux is based on multi-user mainframe systems that can run a whole campus of users simultaneously.
• 4044[22:39:06] <phogg> cysill: they have different versions
• 4045[22:39:09] <greycat> FreeBSD sed has -i but it takes an argument. GNU's -i takes an optional argument.
• 4046[22:39:30] <fggfgfg> jhutchins_wk: and yet still Linux is unable to keep this session alive
• 4047[22:39:39] <phogg> fggfgfg: you didn't ask it to
• 4048[22:39:46] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: It is able, you must arrange it.
• 4049[22:40:01] <phogg> fggfgfg: if you set it up *in advance* it can. Doing it retroactively is not supported in Linux (or anywhere).
• 4050[22:40:01] <fggfgfg> sure
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• 4052[22:40:16] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: It's not able to RETROACTIVELY change the mode the process was started in.
• 4053[22:40:21] <fggfgfg> if that were true, I'd be able to do something now, but I am not
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• 4055[22:40:30] <mutante> maybe if you could explain why it is absolutely not an option to just stop it and start it again in screen 3 seconds later
• 4056[22:40:31] <fggfgfg> obviously if any of us had a time machine we could solve every issue we've had in life
• 4057[22:40:37] <fggfgfg> but I prefer to live in the present
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• 4060[22:40:50] <fggfgfg> mutante I lose 15.000$
• 4061[22:41:04] <jhutchins_wk> fggfgfg: What happens if there is a hardware/electical failure while your process is running?
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• 4063[22:41:27] <fggfgfg> jhutchins_wk: I got a battery
• 4064[22:41:30] <mutante> fggfgfg: can you run the same process from another computer?
• 4065[22:41:38] <fggfgfg> mutante: no
• 4066[22:41:40] <teraflops> fggfgfg: so youre here for moral support? I can give you hug …
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• 4068[22:41:47] <phogg> fggfgfg: for 15k sit there and stare at it while periodically hitting a key to keep the session open.
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• 4070[22:41:55] <fggfgfg> teraflops: I'm here for tech support, but all I get is philosoraptor
• 4071[22:42:11] <phogg> there's a difference between tech support and philosophy?
• 4072[22:42:12] <mutante> so if the harddisk dies.. how much will you lose then? 5 $ per second while getting the replacement?
• 4073[22:42:16] <greycat> phogg: because there's 0% chance of a power failure on the CLIENT side. Sure.
• 4074[22:42:19] <Violinist> do i need to escape . in sed?
• 4075[22:42:30] <tw> if you want a literal period, yes.
• 4076[22:42:38] <greycat> Violinist: in the search part, or any other BRE, yes.
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• 4078[22:42:45] <phogg> greycat: there's also a 0% chance of backhoe, the ISP barfing, etc
• 4079[22:42:46] <Violinist> ya i figured
• 4080[22:42:51] <greycat> phogg: exactly...
• 4081[22:42:59] <Violinist> but i noticed in "" you dont
• 4082[22:43:05] <fggfgfg> phogg: so then pressing a key keeps the session open
• 4083[22:43:09] <Violinist> but i think thats only grep
• 4084[22:43:10] <fggfgfg> thanks
• 4085[22:43:17] <phogg> fggfgfg: sending bytes over the wire resets the idle timer
• 4086[22:43:23] <mutante> fggfgfg: so what i would do is script it.. put the "kill existing process, start screen, run it" all into a bash script.. make sure it's correct and then do it all with one command.. so it's simply as fast as possible
• 4087[22:43:30] <greycat> But he shouldn't need to hit the space key every 120 seconds because he already programmed his ~/.ssh/config with ServerAliveInterval because he's so smart.
• 4088[22:43:37] <`Kevin> fggfgfg: i think you are just getting advice from people who have been in your shoes and do not want you to make the same mistake(s) :)
• 4089[22:44:03] <fggfgfg> I'm getting advice from people who like to help but also want to have fun before helping
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• 4091[22:44:21] <greycat> mutante: run the script from *inside* screen
• 4092[22:44:27] <phogg> fggfgfg: we've already offered all possible advice so there is nothing left but fun
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• 4094[22:44:42] <teraflops> fggfgfg: if you think we are laughing at you, youre definitely wrong
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• 4096[22:45:04] <fggfgfg> phogg: you helped me the moment you explained to me writing stuff (even if there's no terminal and it's just a window with an output) helps me to keep the session alive
• 4097[22:45:05] <phogg> fggfgfg: you have to understand that 90% of questions are from people asking the wrong question by presupposing things that are not true. I am pretty sure your cases is included in that.
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• 4100[22:45:14] <fggfgfg> I wasn't sure that actually sent data to the server.. so thanks
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• 4103[22:45:27] <fggfgfg> phogg: then you're wrong
• 4104[22:45:28] <phogg> fggfgfg: I said that long ago, too. Also Google can tell you that if you ask.
• 4105[22:46:28] <phogg> fggfgfg: I'm struggling to imagine a scenario where being backgrounded for one second breaks something. Are you trading stocks? Controlling an object moving very fast?
• 4106[22:46:54] <fggfgfg> I'm not interested in sharing my life with people who are being so cruel to me
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• 4109[22:47:03] <phogg> fggfgfg: Nobody here is being cruel.
• 4110[22:47:18] <Violinist> guys take it easy on the poor kid
• 4111[22:47:22] <phogg> fggfgfg: We're trying to help as best we are able which, per experience, means questioning your assumptions.
• 4112[22:47:38] <fggfgfg> phogg: what should I have asked Google to get that answer?
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• 4114[22:48:06] <fggfgfg> phogg: question someone means offending someone, you're not supposed to question others but to try to learn from them
• 4115[22:48:14] <fggfgfg> I didn't question any of you
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• 4118[22:49:03] <`Kevin> fggfgfg: intelligent people do not provide basic instruction, we ask for detail to give you a proper solution
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• 4120[22:49:35] <Violinist> yeah kevin ur suffering from intelligent person problem
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• 4122[22:49:57] <`Kevin> and the trolls are about
• 4123[22:49:58] <phogg> fggfgfg: ssh client detect idle
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• 4125[22:50:25] <phogg> fggfgfg: this would lead to discussions of how idle works that reveals that any byte from the client will prevent it
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• 4129[22:51:37] <phogg> fggfgfg: Also, excuse me WHAT? Questioning people asking questions is essential. If you think otherwise I recommend you try it for a while. I must understand your situation to solve your problem, the more thoroughly I understand it the better I can solve it.
• 4130[22:51:41] <greycat> The ssh client/server don't give a rat's ass about "idle". That is a NAT thing. Your NAT router may care about your session going idle, and drop it. This is why you put ServerAliveInterval 300 in ~/.ssh/config on the client. Or the analogous thing on the server.
• 4131[22:51:56] <phogg> fggfgfg: if you take offense... welcome to the club of people who don't get help
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• 4134[22:52:15] <`Kevin> ^
• 4135[22:52:34] <fggfgfg> phogg: if you can't tell the difference between someone who doesn't know what his problem is, and someone who knows exactly what's going on and what he needs and asks for it
• 4136[22:52:40] <fggfgfg> then you're not as smart as you think you are
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• 4140[22:53:00] <shadow> So... replaced-url
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• 4142[22:53:11] <phogg> fggfgfg: I can't tell the difference because most people who *THINK* they know exactly what's going on but don't act exactly like the ones who really do not know.
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• 4144[22:53:22] <shadow> what is the difference between bt-hybrid, iso-hybrid, and webboot?
• 4145[22:53:31] <shadow> I looked and could not find a succinct answer
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• 4147[22:53:53] <phogg> fggfgfg: and yeah I am still including you in that category. In my experience the person who actually understands what he needs is a myth; such a person doesn't ask for help.
• 4148[22:53:57] <shadow> If that stackoverflow question were answered then I would not come here to ask :)
• 4149[22:54:50] <fggfgfg> phogg: "In my experience the person who actually understands what he needs is a myth; such a person doesn't ask for help." -> wow man, you're becoming better at philosophy as the conversation goes by
• 4150[22:54:59] <fggfgfg> congratulations, I personally liked that one very much
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• 4153[22:55:50] <shadow> I find that webboot is referenced at replaced-url
• 4154[22:56:02] <shadow> however what is the difference between bt-hybrid and iso-hybrid?
• 4155[22:56:07] <phogg> fggfgfg: I cannot help but learn from my own experiences. I don't know how you could expect otherwise.
• 4156[22:56:14] <tw> shadow: bt-hybrid is a torrent file of the iso-hybrid.
• 4157[22:56:24] <`Kevin> shadow: bittorrent vs file/iso direct download
• 4158[22:56:42] <shadow> `Kevin: tw: perfect thanks
• 4159[22:56:51] <phogg> shadow: quick! now go answer the SO post and claim some upvotes
• 4160[22:57:11] <shadow> ha ha I don't know how to do that, but I will post as guest
• 4161[22:57:25] <fggfgfg> phogg: I will be here writing "sdfgjsgkfgj sfdkgpsd kofmgjodfg" to a terminal all night so we have time to know each other
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• 4163[22:57:40] <fggfgfg> I'd make a macro for it but I'm drunk and lazy
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• 4165[22:57:54] <phogg> fggfgfg: I won't be here that long, but you enjoy that. I recommend investing in one of those birds, Homer Simpson style.
• 4166[22:59:10] <phogg> fggfgfg: replaced-url
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• 4169[23:00:11] <fggfgfg> i had to ask my son what you meant
• 4170[23:00:21] <mgood7123_> how do i install debug packages
• 4171[23:00:21] <fggfgfg> he used to watch the simpsons too
• 4172[23:00:23] <shadow> does the webboot/ image just add the capability to web boot something else?
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• 4175[23:00:45] <shadow> I see the webboot/ images are still quite large
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• 4177[23:01:15] <shadow> oh...
• 4178[23:01:22] <shadow> it's a component used for a webboot image
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• 4180[23:02:15] <teraflops> mgood7123_: with the package manager same as any other package
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• 4182[23:02:26] <Violinist> is debian 9 gona come with gnome?
• 4183[23:02:32] <greycat> Yes.
• 4184[23:02:36] <debish> hey!
• 4185[23:02:39] <greycat> And KDE, and many other DEs.
• 4186[23:02:41] <Violinist> yeah coz we dont like the other ones
• 4187[23:02:52] <Violinist> but they did ruin gnome a bit
• 4188[23:03:00] <greycat> Did you actually mean "Will it install GNOME by default?" Uh... maybe? I don't know.
• 4189[23:03:01] <debish> I am fighting UEFI to try to install debian stretch from a bootable USB
• 4190[23:03:10] <Violinist> yeah i did
• 4191[23:03:19] <debish> despite being theoretically supported by debian installer (replaced-url
• 4192[23:03:19] <mgood7123_> ik but what packages do i need to install
• 4193[23:03:28] <debish> I can't boot the installer at all
• 4194[23:03:28] <Darby_Crash> hi guys i've installed Stretch + Mate and i have a issue with libinput. I can't enable click on tap function
• 4195[23:03:30] <mgood7123_> to generate a usefull crash log
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• 4197[23:03:32] <Violinist> coz i noticed the downloads used to include gnome in the title
• 4198[23:03:38] <debish> any ideas, links, suggestions?
• 4199[23:03:43] <greycat> You can install whichever DE(s) you like. You don't have to use the default.
• 4200[23:03:54] <Violinist> i know but it should be preinstalled
• 4201[23:04:10] <greycat> "downloads including gnome in the title" sounds like you are looking at *Live* images, not indistall images.
• 4202[23:04:33] * greycat glares at his Ctrl key
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• 4204[23:04:47] <shadow> phogg: replaced-url
• 4205[23:05:34] <teraflops> mgood7123_: -dbg ones
• 4206[23:05:41] <phogg> shadow: don't ask me, plenty of guidance on what makes a good SO answer abounds on the internet
• 4207[23:05:52] <fggfgfg> stretch is terrible, but default is even more terrible
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• 4209[23:06:01] <fggfgfg> debian progress is pretty slow, and when there's progress there are many bugs
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• 4211[23:06:23] <greycat> It's SO. Every answer will be wrong in some subtle (or obvious) way.
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• 4213[23:06:33] <Darby_Crash> i've tryed to set it in Dconf but don't work
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• 4216[23:07:42] <shadow> phogg: ha, ha. :)
• 4217[23:07:46] <shadow> okay thanks everyone
• 4218[23:07:57] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: what's wrong with using xinput and the console?
• 4219[23:08:17] <shadow> last question is between "debian-live...standard" and "debian-live...gnome-desktop" aren't those the same?
• 4220[23:08:33] <greycat> I'd imagine it refers to what's on the CD.
• 4221[23:08:43] <greycat> Not that I care about Debian Live images. Like, at all.
• 4222[23:08:48] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: know your tools…
• 4223[23:09:00] <shadow> you're charming as always :D
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• 4225[23:09:18] <greycat> !debian-live
• 4226[23:09:18] <phogg> shadow: both will have GNOME desktops, but I don't know if they're actually identical
• 4227[23:09:18] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 4229[23:09:37] <Darby_Crash> hi teraflops, i want enable click on tap for my touchpad but it don't work
• 4230[23:09:42] <greycat> If you have specific questions about the contents of one or more d-l images, ask the #debian-live folks on OFTC.
• 4231[23:09:55] <shadow> phogg: thanks. I'm seeing the ISO direct downloads are quite a bit different in size
• 4232[23:10:09] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: you said youre using libinput, right?
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• 4234[23:10:14] <shadow> I guess more Gnome-ish things on the Gnome one.
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• 4237[23:10:32] <Darby_Crash> on Stretch i have only it
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• 4240[23:10:44] <Darby_Crash> no more synaptic module
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• 4242[23:12:09] <greycat> dpkg, debian live =~ s/These can be used to install a Debian system./NOT recommended for installing Debian./
• 4243[23:12:09] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 4244[23:12:40] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: take a look at replaced-url
• 4245[23:12:49] <shadow> phogg: allegedly there's no UI on the Standard
• 4246[23:12:54] <Darby_Crash> thanks teraflops
• 4247[23:12:56] <shadow> GUI*
• 4248[23:13:09] <phogg> Last time I tried to install from debian live it was unable to set up non-trivial partitioning (e.g. lvm and raid). True story.
• 4249[23:13:22] <phogg> shadow: on the standard livecd? Really...
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• 4251[23:13:53] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: np, just try by hand first, changes applied on the fly, when you get the right params, make it persistent
• 4252[23:14:35] <Darby_Crash> teraflops, ok, now i make a try
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• 4256[23:15:22] <mgood7123_> how can i install the debug packages for these? "/usr/bin/kdevelop /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5"
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• 4258[23:16:20] <teraflops> mgood7123_: ask dpkg which package owns each library and install the -dbg ones
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• 4260[23:18:06] <mgood7123_> how can i install the debug packages for these? "/usr/bin/kdevelop /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5"
• 4261[23:18:25] <mgood7123_> wtf my mouse is glitching up -_-
• 4262[23:18:52] <mgood7123_> how do i do that
• 4263[23:21:37] <teraflops> mgood7123_: man dpkg
• 4264[23:22:17] <greycat> teraflops: more like "man apt-cache" but my first few lame attempts to find a libqt5 -dbg package have not succeeded.
• 4265[23:22:24] <greycat> I am not strongly motivated, however.
• 4266[23:22:33] <teraflops> dpkg -S should work there
• 4267[23:22:33] <dpkg> Badgers ate my should work there!
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• 4269[23:22:45] <greycat> only if you already have the files
• 4270[23:22:46] <teraflops> dpkg -S /usr/bin/kdevelop
• 4271[23:22:47] <dpkg> There is no record of a /usr/bin/kdevelop package
• 4272[23:22:53] <teraflops> or whatever
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• 4274[23:23:23] <teraflops> greycat: looks like he already have those files
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• 4276[23:23:42] <greycat> ... no, he wants the debug versions of those
• 4277[23:23:52] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
• 4278[23:24:23] <teraflops> teraflops ⎸ mgood7123_: ask dpkg which package owns each library and install the -dbg ones
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• 4280[23:24:45] <greycat> teraflops: THE ENTIRE QUESTION is what is the NAME of these debug packages
• 4281[23:24:52] <teraflops> ok …
• 4282[23:24:52] <greycat> If they even exist.
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• 4288[23:27:20] <greycat> try, try, try, try, try, .... oh maybe the real libqt5-dev is this "qtbase5-dev" one?
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• 4291[23:27:36] <greycat> Package: qtbase5-dbg
• 4292[23:27:36] <greycat> State: not a real package (virtual)
• 4293[23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5
• 4294[23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5widgets5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Widgets.so.5
• 4295[23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5core5a:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5
• 4296[23:27:37] <mgood7123_> libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Gui.so.5
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• 4302[23:28:10] <phogg> what a novel naming convention
• 4303[23:28:15] <teraflops> greycat: so your point here is not help at all but just flame and start endless discussions about others people help
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• 4305[23:28:54] <phogg> teraflops: if he wasn't trying to help would he be trying to find the qt5 debug package?
• 4306[23:28:57] <mgood7123_> rip
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• 4308[23:29:06] <phogg> mgood7123_: use a pastebin
• 4309[23:29:07] <Darby_Crash> teraflops, i have added in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf: Option "Tapping" "on"
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• 4311[23:29:08] <greycat> No, I am actually TRYING to FIGURE OUT the fucking NAMES of the PACKAGES.
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• 4313[23:29:17] <Darby_Crash> and it work
• 4314[23:29:21] <Darby_Crash> ;)
• 4315[23:29:26] <greycat> There doesn't appear to be any entry point.
• 4316[23:29:34] <teraflops> yeah whatever, also your use of caps is really annoying
• 4317[23:30:28] <greycat> qtbase5-dev is the nearest thing to a starting point I've found so far, but there's no qtbase5-dbg, except it apparently exists as a "virtual package", but nothing provides it according to apt-cache showpkg ...
• 4318[23:30:29] <mgood7123_> libqt5gui5:amd64: libqt5widgets5:amd64: libqt5core5a:amd64: libqt5gui5:amd64:
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• 4320[23:31:09] <Darby_Crash> thanks again teraflops :)
• 4321[23:31:10] <teraflops> mgood7123_: well use dpkg -S for installed packages or dlocate or apt-file or the debian web site
• 4322[23:31:14] <teraflops> Darby_Crash: np
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• 4335[23:35:48] <greycat> I see some packages like libqt5webkit5-dbg but not others. Definitely not a 1:1 mapping from all of libqt5* to -dbg
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• 4342[23:38:13] <jelly> mgood7123_, which debian release is this?
• 4343[23:38:42] <jelly> stretch has those -dbgsym packages autobuilt, but in a separate repo
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• 4345[23:38:57] <jelly> because they're huge
• 4346[23:39:22] <mgood7123_> parrot os
• 4347[23:39:25] <greycat> O_o
• 4348[23:39:29] <mgood7123_> lol
• 4349[23:39:31] <greycat> well THAT would explain why I can't find anything
• 4350[23:39:38] <jelly> mgood7123_, that doesn't sound like debian
• 4351[23:39:45] <mgood7123_> it uses apt
• 4352[23:39:50] <greycat> !based on debianb
• 4353[23:39:50] <missmbob> !parrot
• 4354[23:39:51] <greycat> !based on debian
• 4355[23:39:57] <jelly> mgood7123_, can you reproduce the issue with an actual debian installation?
• 4356[23:39:59] <greycat> !based on debian
• 4357[23:39:59] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 4358[23:40:16] <missmbob> !parrot
• 4359[23:40:17] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 4360[23:40:43] <greycat> We have no idea how Parrot OS builds and deploys its debug packages.
• 4361[23:40:49] <jelly> yeah, that'd be the right place to ask.
• 4362[23:40:53] <greycat> Hell, I didn't even know how *debian* does apparently.
• 4363[23:41:04] <jelly> if you were running _actual_ debian testing, you'd be pointed at...
• 4364[23:41:06] <jelly> replaced-url
• 4365[23:41:30] <jelly> apparently, a blog article explaining this dbgsym stuff
• 4366[23:41:36] <mgood7123_> ok
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• 4369[23:42:18] <teraflops> mgood7123_: gross, I behaved badly and you are not even running debian
• 4370[23:42:22] <jelly> but you're running something similar. We don't know if this advice applies, or if it's going to break your system. You need to ask the people who built it.
• 4371[23:42:44] <mgood7123_> it sais #parrotsec :Cannot send to channel
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• 4374[23:43:12] <teraflops> greycat: btw I apologize for what I said
• 4375[23:43:41] <jelly> mgood7123_, that doesn't sound like "Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org "
• 4376[23:43:41] <greycat> Maybe they have a policy of waiting to voice you or something. Dunno.
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• 4378[23:43:53] <greycat> ... or maybe you didn't join the right channel OR the right network.
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• 4385[23:46:41] <greycat> This blog post forgot one important step: ulimit -c unlimited, to enable core dump files
• 4386[23:46:56] <greycat> (or the analogous command in non-bash shells)
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• 4388[23:47:02] <mgood7123_> i got redirected to IRCForce
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• 4404[23:51:38] <greycat> well, I attempted to leave a comment on the blog page. don't know whether it will actually work, since I ended up on a blank white page after hitting submit.
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• 4406[23:51:55] <debish> I worked it out, in case anyone is interested: you need to disable both "legacy mode", "legacy usb support" and "secure boot" and enable "UEFI boot". That's all, the installer will boot seamlessly
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