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6 [00:00:44] <toad_> Hmmm, it looks like the kernel already
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7 [00:00:52] <toad_> it recognises it as a GP104, it creates a
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76 [00:32:59] <toad_> Is Wine still awful on AMD GPUs?
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100 [00:40:52] <annadane> it was awful in the first place?
101 [00:41:05] <annadane> i mean i guess it's amd
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109 [00:46:14] <tacocat> toad_, definitely depends on the
programs you're trying, but works for me
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209 [01:40:13] <TaZeR> the debian graphical installer is the most
relaxing installer for sure
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215 [01:45:57] <somiaj> what makes an installer relaxing?
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232 [01:56:41] * dvs gets his chicken to peck at the enter key during
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277 [02:23:19] <Tehrabbitt> hey, do I absolutely *need* to be
using NAT / IPTables to route data through an OpenVPN or IPSec
tunnel on debian or should it be able to just route over the tun
interface?
278 [02:23:55] <Exagone313> Tehrabbitt: you need to
279 [02:24:12] <Tehrabbitt> Exagone313: so there's no way to
tunnel without using some form of NAT?
280 [02:24:14] <Tehrabbitt> :\
281 [02:24:22] <Exagone313> yes, using IPv6 afaik
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283 [02:25:27] <Tehrabbitt> Exagone313: ugh, I was hoping it
would work much like a router, where if the server had 2 IPs, one
was 10.0.0.1 and the other was 192.168.1.20 and the remote endpoint
was 10.0.0.2.. I should be able to ping 192.168.1.20 (secondary IP)
from the remote endpoint
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285 [02:25:39] <Tehrabbitt> (if IP Forwarding was turned on)
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289 [02:27:43] <Exagone313> if you just want to connect to an IP
in the subnet of your clients (e.g. 10.0.0.42 -> 10.0.0.1), you
don't need NAT
290 [02:27:50] <Exagone313> but I think you'll find more
help in #openvpn
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373 [03:04:46] <simbalion`> Hi, I added a disk to my fstab and it
seems to mount alright but I'm getting permission denied
executing files that I own and are set 700. They worked before when
I was mounting using thunar rather than fstab. Here is a paste of my
fstab if anyone would like to help
replaced-url
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387 [03:10:37] <Dagger> Tehrabbitt: you don't need NAT to
route data through a tunnel
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389 [03:10:56] <Dagger> set up the routes right on both ends and
it'll work the same way any other link does
390 [03:11:19] <Tehrabbitt> Dagger: that's what I figured...
I just can't get this to work :(
391 [03:11:49] <Tehrabbitt> Dagger: did that, I set routes on
both sides, and traffic doesn't make it across :\
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393 [03:11:55] <Tehrabbitt> I can ping either side of the tunnel
but that's about it.
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431 [03:27:26] <sveta> Tehrabbitt: ask #openvpn
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495 [04:31:50] <boser> maybe that i have a nice problem. let my
explain. i use jessie and FF, all pprogramms are up-tp-date. Now, in
FF the submenue don't show me the select-Box, so that i can
marke it. What can i do? :-)
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499 [04:34:12] <omber> I messed up and accidentally installed MBR
to the USB stick I used as installation media. My actual OS drive is
always the last sd* device, but its sdh with USB stick inserted and
sdg when USB drive is not inserted. So if I do grub-install
/dev/sdh, grub still fails to find correct partition on reboot.
Suggestions?
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506 [04:41:55] <wigums> omber, sort out your /etc/fstab
507 [04:42:28] <omber> wigums, thank you will try there
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564 [05:27:17] <LittleViking> am i the only one that isn't
at all thrilled about the inclusion of AppArmor by default?
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599 [05:48:09] <monsterminds> where is channel for chat
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602 [05:48:27] <tacocat> #debian-offtopic ?
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604 [05:48:49] <monsterminds> thank tacocat
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609 [05:52:48] <Edu4rdSHL> !pci
610 [05:52:48] <dpkg> Conventional PCI (Peripheral Connect
Interface) was designed to supplant the VL-Bus architecture and
provide a standard slot with a reduced size for high-speed
peripherals. It normally runs at 33 MHz on a PC, but can run faster.
PCI slots are 32-bit slots on Intel systems, but the specification
allows for 64-bit, like EISA or VL-BUS, but in a compact form
factor. See <pciids>, <pcie>, <pci-x>.
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612 [05:53:03] <Edu4rdSHL> !pciids
613 [05:53:03] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, pciids is
run `update-pciids' to update your PCI ID database, if your
<lspci> output shows "unknown device". The PCI ID
Repository is at
replaced-url
614 [05:53:30] <Edu4rdSHL> How is the command for check
PCI's?
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617 [05:54:20] <Epakai> lspci
618 [05:54:58] <annadane> i think Edu4rdSHL might mean indvidual
pci numbers
619 [05:55:34] <annadane> ,pciid 8000
620 [05:55:40] <Edu4rdSHL> annadane, yeah. Here is a command that
check if the pci is supported for debian.
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624 [05:56:20] <annadane> i forget the command but judd messages
me with "Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id
'8000'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor
Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal. You can find the PCI Id in
the output of 'lspci -nn'."
625 [05:56:48] <annadane> so presumably use that format?
626 [05:57:19] <Edu4rdSHL> ,pciid 14e4:4365
627 [05:57:20] <judd> [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142
802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Limited' with kernel
modules 'bcma', 'brcmfmac' in stretch. See also
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629 [05:57:43] <Edu4rdSHL> Thanks muchm annadane :)
630 [05:57:47] <annadane> there you go :P
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632 [05:58:04] <dvs> uh oh
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687 [06:49:12] <midhunrajs> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet
build dependencies: xlibs-dev libgtk1.2-dev libglib1.2-dev
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690 [06:49:26] <midhunrajs>
replaced-url
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694 [06:53:50] <bl0ndii> this usually works for me midhunrajs:
apt-get install build-essential autoconf automake libtool flex bison
debhelper binutils
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696 [06:54:18] <somiaj> if you have a deb-src line, just apt-get
builddep packagename
697 [06:54:20] <cheapie> Did you try installing the packages
it's asking for?
698 [06:54:29] <cheapie> Or that.
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701 [06:55:15] <bl0ndii> intresting ... i thought noone ever
chats in here lol
702 [06:56:33] <mutante> it used to be more active, true
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704 [06:58:22] <midhunrajs> <bl0ndii> i tried that still i
am getting the error
705 [06:58:39] <xorgnak_> there's usually more people
actually talking in ##linux
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713 [07:03:42] <themill> for libgtk1.2-dev you're completely
out of luck
714 [07:03:55] <themill> but then you'd need to hang around
for the answer to find that out...
715 [07:05:57] <bl0ndii> true story
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723 [07:09:02] <cr1t1cal> how to install radeonsi on debian
stretch
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725 [07:13:05] <towo^work> there is nothing special to download
726 [07:13:14] <towo^work> or to install
727 [07:13:22] <cr1t1cal> really?
728 [07:13:28] <towo^work> sure
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730 [07:13:37] <cr1t1cal> but
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732 [07:13:58] <towo^work> if you have a radeon card,and you have
installed the amd graphics firmware, it's used by mesa as
driver
733 [07:14:06] <cr1t1cal> I am currently running an AMD Radeon
HD8370D graphics card
734 [07:14:15] <cr1t1cal> it supports OpenGL 4.3
735 [07:14:26] <cr1t1cal> however, I can only use up to OpenGL
1.3
736 [07:14:33] <cr1t1cal> so therefore its a driver issue
737 [07:14:42] <towo^work> useless info
738 [07:14:47] <cr1t1cal> I was assuming radeonsi or another
driver will fix this
739 [07:14:52] <temy> Does Debian already has the patch for the
kernel:
replaced-url
740 [07:15:05] <temy> ?
741 [07:15:35] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: I can't install
proprietary AMD graphics drivers
742 [07:15:43] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: since my xserver version is
too high or something
743 [07:15:49] <cr1t1cal> and I don't even know how to
downgrade X
744 [07:15:59] <towo^work> cr1t1cal, read what was written!
745 [07:16:16] <towo^work> radeon needs non-free firmware for
propper working
746 [07:16:24] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: right
747 [07:16:30] <towo^work> so make sure, you have installed it
748 [07:16:41] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: but I can't install the
proprietary drivers
749 [07:16:53] <cr1t1cal> the version of my xserver is too high
750 [07:16:57] <towo^work> cr1t1cal, i don't speak about
propritary drivers
751 [07:17:00] <cr1t1cal> they only support up to 6.8
752 [07:17:07] <towo^work> i speek about the firmware
753 [07:17:28] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: well I mean my graphics card
seems to be working fine
754 [07:17:32] <towo^work> which is in debian and named
firmware-amd-graphics from the non-free repo
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756 [07:18:01] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: yeah its already insatlled
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758 [07:18:11] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: but why can't I get
OpenGL 4.3 to work?
759 [07:18:12] <towo^work> glxinfo | grep OpenG
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761 [07:18:44] <cr1t1cal> towo^work:
replaced-url
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765 [07:20:25] <towo^work> mesa 13 is too old
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768 [07:21:07] <towo^work> you would need a never kernel, drm and
mesa stack
769 [07:21:26] <cr1t1cal> never?
770 [07:21:30] <cr1t1cal> newer?
771 [07:21:48] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: I am using debian 9.2
stretch, isn't that the latest kernel?
772 [07:23:11] <towo^work> no, it isn't, backports has a
more recent verion
773 [07:23:32] <towo^work> but it would not help many, since you
would even need a newer mesa and drm
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775 [07:24:06] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: so I need to reinstall my
OS?
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777 [07:24:41] <towo^work> reinstall?
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779 [07:24:47] <cr1t1cal> yeah
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781 [07:25:25] <towo^work> debian stable itself is to old for
your wishes
782 [07:26:25] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: right
783 [07:26:27] <temy> did someone answered my question while I
was disconnected?
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785 [07:26:40] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: so is debian testing
alright?
786 [07:26:46] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: unstable is too old for me
too :D
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792 [07:27:57] <temy> Ok I assume that's a nay
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816 [07:56:46] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: so debian testing buster
should be good
817 [07:56:49] <cr1t1cal> towo^work: yes?
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819 [07:58:50] <klys> cr1t1cal, why not install a new system for
that?
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821 [08:00:37] <cr1t1cal> klys: I am
822 [08:00:58] <somiaj> cr1t1cal: you said that debian unstable
is too old, what makes you think that?
823 [08:01:21] <cr1t1cal> somiaj: not too old
824 [08:01:33] <cr1t1cal> somiaj: sorry I was thinking of stable
as I wrote it
825 [08:01:42] <cr1t1cal> somiaj: its too 'on the edge'
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827 [08:01:49] <cr1t1cal> I have never lived life so on the edge
828 [08:01:53] <mutante> cr1t1cal: yea, stable for servers,
testing for laptops. always served me fine
829 [08:02:16] <cr1t1cal> alright well I guess it really is time
to live life on the edge :D
830 [08:02:20] <mutante> (and if it's a Thinkpad there is
nothing to worry usually)
831 [08:02:24] <somiaj> cr1t1cal: testing is kinda on the edge
too, it has some protection from bugs due to sid sees packages
first, but it also has some of its own issues (like slow security
support)
832 [08:02:47] <somiaj> cr1t1cal: but if the software you need is
in buster, it works for many, just expect things to not be as smooth
as stable and you may have to debug more issues.
833 [08:03:19] <somiaj> cr1t1cal: what graphics card do you have
again? I missed that
834 [08:03:21] <mutante> in reality i dont recall having to debug
an issue in years though.. or i am lucky or it's the right
hardware
835 [08:03:54] <mutante> or i dont try to use fancy 3D stuff, heh
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851 [08:17:22] <darxmurf> morning all and happy new year
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882 [08:30:57] <notadrop> do any of you have the Spotify desktop
app installed?
883 [08:31:14] <notadrop> their website says to use their repo.
I'm not sure, is that safe?
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890 [08:33:05] <bl0ndii> notadrop - if you think its safe to use
spotify then you should have same opinion of their repo ... you can
always comment in your sources later i guess to stop it from
updating
891 [08:34:56] <kopper> notadrop: I used to have it with no
problems. You have to import their key to use it.
892 [08:35:17] <bl0ndii> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list
/etc/apt/sources.list.ORIG to make a backup before you change
anything
893 [08:35:22] <notadrop> bl0ndii: fair enough
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896 [08:36:50] <notadrop> on a totally unrelated note... anyone
here run the grsec kernel with graphics?
897 [08:37:26] <notadrop> I booted with the grsec kernel, and it
didn't seem to like gdm.
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1080 [10:32:37] <hassoon[work]> 'morning
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1102 [10:49:38] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using Debian Stretch. I
see a unicode rectangular box instead of 'penguin' on
window title screenshot
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1103 [10:49:57] <rootkea> I feel I need to install some unicode
font, maybe?
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1106 [10:51:01] <rootkea> But I see penguin on webpage and firefox
tab title. So I'm not really sure
1107 [10:51:18] <rootkea> Please check the screenshot.
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1109 [10:51:52] <rootkea> Oh and I'm using XFCE BTW
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1119 [11:00:27] <petn-randall> rootkea: You should be able to set
the font in settings → appearance.
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1122 [11:00:56] <petn-randall> rootkea: The best way to check
which font supports the unicode snowman is to use libreoffice, paste
the snowman, then just change the font all the time.
1123 [11:01:23] <petn-randall> rootkea: gnome charmap would also
work for that, but IMHO isn't that straight-forward to test.
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1133 [11:08:22] <rootkea> petn-randall, Thanks! Libre-office
indeed shows that unicode penguin isn't supported by Bitstream
Vera Sans, my current font. Guess I need to choose some another font
which supports UNICODE chars.
1134 [11:08:50] <rootkea> Do you happen to know/recommend any
particular font on Debian?
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1137 [11:09:38] <petn-randall> rootkea: Hard to say, because there
probably aren't any fonts that cover all unicode codepoints.
1138 [11:09:59] <petn-randall> rootkea: Just pick the one you like
that covers the characters you care about.
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1143 [11:12:47] <rootkea> petn-randall, Okay, thanks!
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1149 [11:15:26] <gluon> should i file a bug against a package in
stable, even if unstable has a newer version of the package that i
cannot test whether the bug has been fixed or not?
1150 [11:15:44] <gluon> in other words, is it acceptable to file
bugs against stable?
1151 [11:15:56] <gluon> without testing unstable first
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1153 [11:16:32] <gluon> there doesn't seem to be a way to
target a specific debian release when reporting a bug
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1192 [11:43:18] <kai_w> I've run into a bug - system fails to
boot on 4.9.0-4 (stretch) with the message "Missing necessary
member of multi-device filesystem".
1193 [11:43:31] <kai_w> Works fine on 4.9.0-3, could I get some
help debugging so I can report this?
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1199 [11:46:09] <dutchfish> kai_w, is this on a raid systeem or
ZFS?
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1202 [11:46:45] <kai_w> btrfs raid
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1212 [11:52:08] <dutchfish> jelly, and here it is
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1220 [11:55:36] <jollyruggero> hello everyone. Is there a way to
manually slow down my internet connection? I'm trying to do
some test with a remote machine and I would need to check the
minimum speed connection that I need to work with it
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1223 [11:56:46] <dutchfish> kai_w, check bootlog kernellog, did
the btrfs device scan ran?
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1225 [11:57:53] <dutchfish> kai_w, posting some logs the debian
pastebin would be helpfull
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1227 [11:58:41] <gpunk> jollyruggero
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1229 [11:59:46] <gpunk> jollyruggero keyword traffic shaping :)
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1233 [12:00:30] <gpunk>
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1236 [12:01:48] <JustASlacker> gpunk: nice
1237 [12:01:53] <jollyruggero> gpunk, traffic shaping, gotcha!
Thanks for the links, I didn't know about trickle, seems what I
was looking for
1238 [12:02:03] <gpunk> :)
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1242 [12:02:57] <ghormoon> hi, anyone has experience with minidlna
and subtitles? do I need to set up anything specific? tried both
avi+srt and merging into mkv, but still, it doesn't seem to
pass the subs through to TV (my first attempt with dlna though)
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1247 [12:04:46] <ghormoon> nevermind, the mkv variant works, just
did mistake when setting up, though can I make it take srt too?
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1252 [12:07:55] <petn-randall> gluon: If you use the reportbug
tool, it'll file a bug properly, including any version
information. It's always nice to know if that problem is fixed
in newer versions, so if you want to test it, by all means do, and
include that info in the bug report.
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1258 [12:10:44] <gluon> petn-randall: yeah, i'll test it on a
VM running debian unstable as well
1259 [12:10:57] <gluon> thanks
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1261 [12:11:19] <petn-randall> gluon: You can also just set up a
sid chroot if it's only userspace parts that are affected.
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1263 [12:12:58] <kai_w> dutchfish: how can I get the bootlog? I
don't think it gets far enough to mount any filesystem to write
the log to.
1264 [12:13:35] <dutchfish> kai_w, if you can boot the old kernel?
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1267 [12:14:14] <dutchfish> kai_w, just to make sure we have/or
not a kernel problem on your system
1268 [12:15:06] <dutchfish> kai_w, if you havent removed it, -3 is
still there
1269 [12:17:21] <kai_w> dutchfish, I can boot -3, this is running
now. But that doesn't tell me if the device scan ran when I
boot -4 or does it?
1270 [12:17:36] <gluon> petn-randall: yeah, good idea
1271 [12:17:49] <kai_w> dmesg only includes the last boot right?
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1273 [12:18:14] <dutchfish> kai_w, probably not. Now look at your
logs, specially kernel, system and journalctl.
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1275 [12:18:39] <dutchfish> kai_w, try to determine if the disks
are in good shape or not.
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1278 [12:19:53] <kai_w> As far as I can tell they're OK, a
BTRFS scrub ran fine as scheduled last weekend. smartctl reports no
warnings.
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1287 [12:30:00] <dutchfish> kai_w, ok, maybe someone else with
more expertise on BTRFS can help you to debug this in the boot
editor. I dont use it myself. I know it does the scan on boot, i
suspect that is the entry point were the bug appears. iow, it wont
find the devices. Here is a simular case (probably)
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1290 [12:30:42] <dutchfish> kai_w, or ask #btrfs
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1313 [12:51:35] <kai_w> dutchfish: OK, will do. thanks for helping
:)
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1315 [12:52:04] <dutchfish> kai_w, i wish i could do better, in
any case good luck.
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1319 [12:54:25] <ahmadadnan> hi all, im trying to install Debian
9.3 on a new dell r440 server but the installer cannot detect the
disks
1320 [12:54:26] <ahmadadnan> probably this is because of perc
drivers
1321 [12:54:26] <ahmadadnan> is there any solution for this?
1322 [12:54:26] <ahmadadnan> thanks in advance
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1334 [12:57:39] <petn-randall> ahmadadnan: What RAID controller do
you have in there?
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1337 [13:01:00] <ahmadadnan> all the raid the controller in the
installer cannot be used..
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1339 [13:02:15] <ahmadadnan> sorry, the raid controller is PERC
1340 [13:02:20] <ahmadadnan> H740
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1365 [13:12:35] <petn-randall> ahmadadnan: Is that the
"Harpoon" series? AFAICS there aren't any drivers in
the Linux kernel available.
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1370 [13:14:49] <petn-randall> ahmadadnan: It seems that kernel
support exists from v4.11 onwards, so you could try installing
Debian via debootstrap and the kernel from stretch-backports.
1371 [13:16:16] <ahmadadnan> yes harpoon
1372 [13:16:45] <petn-randall> !debootstrap
1373 [13:16:46] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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1379 [13:17:54] <petn-randall> ahmadadnan: You could boot the
testing live image to check if you can see the drives there. If
that's the case, you can then proceed with boostrapping stretch
+ backports onto the system.
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1391 [13:25:55] <Leoneof> hi, I have debian repo on my local pc1,
running apache, the second pc2 can access local repo for pc1, but
when i use 'sudo apt-get update' i get this message :
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1394 [13:28:29] <gpunk> i think it s the trusted.pgp thing
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1396 [13:28:47] <gpunk> (again)
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1400 [13:30:19] <Leoneof> gpunk: yes something like gpg,
don't know how to fix it for intranet, but I wish to bypass it,
if possible.
1401 [13:30:43] <gpunk> just move it to /root
1402 [13:30:46] <gpunk> hold on
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1405 [13:31:43] <p200300C1C3CF0B5> 598 7587 28 709698854 58
54444444 28758 95487 64455567850 24333879 658277684444 6753 6754 58
6584 8967775 83705 654 785 728 26 109 2584
1406 [13:31:55] <Brigo> i have a weird wifi problem, NM don't
see my network, just mine, i can see the other. I was working ok
suddenly it stopped working, any insight?
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1409 [13:33:11] <p200300C1C3CF0B5> And You didn't change any
network settings just before it stopped working?
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1411 [13:33:27] <dutchfish> Brigo, stock kernel | debian/stable ?
1412 [13:33:54] <Brigo> oldstable i think
1413 [13:34:04] <Brigo> yes, 8.10
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1415 [13:34:20] <Brigo> i could upgrade but it was working so i
can't see the poing
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1418 [13:34:51] <dutchfish> Brigo, ay, you better upgrade to
stable. Or old-bpo.
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1420 [13:35:24] <Brigo> well, i could.
1421 [13:35:55] <darxmurf> What's the best practice between
rsnapsnoting machines "/*" via RSH with a password file or
via SSH with a password less key with root access ?
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1423 [13:36:36] <Brigo> i really don't like because is a
small laptop and new software versions are bigger and this laptop is
already slow.
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1427 [13:38:20] <friend_to_pandas> Is Ctrl-Alt-N a hard-coded
shortcut? My assignments of that in keyboard shortcuts or in Emacs
don't work any more in Debian 9, unlike Debian 8/7.
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1438 [13:40:34] <Brigo> dutchfish, ok, it looks like my card
can't change to the channel 13. Maybe a hardware limitation.
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1470 [13:58:38] <diamvw> Hello. What is the update ration for
debian stable? I have an installation for 1 month and nothing seems
to be updated.
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1476 [14:00:07] <babilen> diamvw: 0.2
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1478 [14:00:57] <diamvw> babilen: 0.2 per year?
1479 [14:02:00] <babilen> diamvw: It's impossible to say ..
could you paste your sources.list(s) and the output of "apt
update" and "apt list --upgradable" to
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1486 [14:05:16] <bolt> it's closer to 30%
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1489 [14:06:12] <diamvw> these are my sources
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1490 [14:06:12] <diamvw> unfortunately i don't have access to
this machine but it show me no updates
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1492 [14:06:45] <diamvw> bolt: so maybe every 4 months?
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1494 [14:07:30] <bolt> diamvw: i have no idea what an "update
ration" is. updates are pushed as they become available.
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1499 [14:08:15] <bolt> diamvw: try running the commands babilen
posted
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1502 [14:08:54] <diamvw> bolt: I meant the frequency of updates.
It seems to be so infrequent?
1503 [14:08:59] <bolt> diamvw: also, if you've installed
something that auto-upgrades your system, you might never see it.
1504 [14:09:01] <babilen> diamvw: You want to add "contrib
non-free" to security and possible backports also, but that
looks fine apart from that
1505 [14:09:12] <dutchfish> Brigo, one last thought, maybe your
router got stuck on this. I have seen routers going of on this
channel, after an automatic firmware update. Check your regional
settings.
1506 [14:09:58] <babilen> diamvw: There are constant upgrades, but
it really depends on the number of packages you have installed --
Official point releases can be seen here:
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1512 [14:11:14] <babilen>
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1513 [14:11:55] <babilen> As that included a kernel update,
I'd be surprised if you didn't get any new packages
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1515 [14:12:26] <diamvw> babilen: thank you.
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1517 [14:12:34] <diamvw> I will try it
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1519 [14:12:49] <babilen> But please run the commands I mentioned
earlier and paste their output, that would allow us to actually
debug the issue rather than hypothesise
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1522 [14:13:28] <diamvw> I will do them as fast as i have access
to this machine.
1523 [14:15:32] <diamvw> I am sending this from a opensuse
workstation and i am little frustrated with how it rolls as a
distribution. Regarding a workstation - desktop for development,
what is debian recommendation?
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1535 [14:18:15] <bolt> diamvw: can you be more specific? debian is
an excellent development desktop, if that's what you're
asking.
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1541 [14:19:50] <diamvw> bolt: yes you are right. I meant which
repository should i track? (stable + backports, testing, unstable)
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1543 [14:20:23] <bolt> diamvw: unless you have a specific reason
to do otherwise, stable is what's stable.
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1545 [14:21:36] <Kitty> hi
1546 [14:22:09] <Kitty> Do we have any indication of a time line
for a debian package for a kernel with the KPTI fix?
1547 [14:22:25] <diamvw> bolt: so it is recommended generally to
use stable? A lot of users swear about testing.
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1550 [14:22:53] <Kitty> Specifically 4.14.11
1551 [14:22:57] <bolt> diamvw: unless you have a specific reason
not to, use stable
1552 [14:23:46] <SirLagz> Kitty: if you desperately need the fix,
you could compile your own kernel in the meantime
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1558 [14:24:59] <babilen> diamvw: I would *never* run testing
alone and have stable+backports on my workstation (it needs to work)
and testing+unstable (with testing as default release) on my laptop
1559 [14:25:13] <babilen> Might switch that to unstable though
1560 [14:25:32] <JustASlacker>
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1561 [14:25:38] <babilen>
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1564 [14:27:28] <Kitty> SirLagz: I don't desperately need the
fix, I'm just wondering if it will land before this weeks
maintenance window, or if I should schedule it for next week
1565 [14:27:31] <babilen> In particular apt-listbugs with
s/grave/important is a life saver (and don't upgrade in the
morning)
1566 [14:27:39] <SirLagz> Kitty: ah k
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1568 [14:28:46] <babilen> Kitty: Nobody knows right now --
It's (whatever it really is) is still in embargo and we
don't know the exact ramifications. You can read a lot into the
patches and the messages around it (in particular AMD's
"lol, not us" patch), but we'll have to wait
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1571 [14:29:27] <Kitty> babilen: yeah, 4.14.11 and 4.15 are
supposed to have the fix
1572 [14:29:29] <darxmurf> I'm running testing on my machines
without problem, and for years now. Except once or twice a year
where something remove half of XFCE packages ^^
1573 [14:29:35] <SirLagz> At one point, Forcefully Unmap Complete
Kernel With Interrupt Trampolines, aka FUCKWIT, was mulled by the
Linux kernel team, giving you an idea of how annoying this has been
for the developers. <== lol
1574 [14:29:39] <babilen> It's a - well - interesting start
into the new year and I don't cherish the thought of having to
reboot most of our infra, but as of now I'm not aware of any
concrete timelines for new packages (kernel, xen, ...)
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1576 [14:30:22] <Kitty> SirLagz: My favourite comment there is:
" A spokesperson for Intel was not available for comment.
"
1577 [14:30:47] <JustASlacker> also funny is the selling of stock
by intel ceo
1578 [14:30:49] <JustASlacker>
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1579 [14:30:54] <JustASlacker> funky timing
1580 [14:31:01] * JustASlacker loves spreading rumors
1581 [14:31:06] <Kitty> and amd stock is up 7% so far today
1582 [14:31:09] <SirLagz> insider trading much
1583 [14:31:11] <babilen> SirLagz:
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1584 [14:31:31] <babilen> I'd appreciate it if we could take
the off-topic chat to #debian-offtopic though
1585 [14:31:46] <Kitty> sorry
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1589 [14:32:09] <babilen> No worries .. it is an interesting topic
1590 [14:32:41] <SirLagz> indeed
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1593 [14:32:51] <SirLagz> I wasn't aware of the issue until
Kitty brought it up
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1596 [14:33:27] <JustASlacker> well, its not really official
1597 [14:33:30] <JustASlacker>
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1598 [14:33:37] <JustASlacker> lots of rumors floating around tho
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1619 [14:50:39] <johnmidhun> please help me
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1627 [14:53:49] <fujisan> guys
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1629 [14:54:04] <fujisan> where is the offtopic?
1630 [14:54:10] <b00kworm> johnmidhun: that's not how this
works, that's not how any of this works
1631 [14:54:23] <fujisan> b00kworm: which books do you recommend?
1632 [14:54:26] <b00kworm> #debian-offtopic I guess
1633 [14:54:30] <fujisan> ty
1634 [14:54:36] <Divergenz> hey, i upgraded my wheezy to stretch
and it failed. I can't connect over ssh. i'm logged in as
root on KVM.
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1635 [14:54:46] <themill> johnmidhun: if you installed something
outside of apt, then apt does not know about it to be able to remove
it
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1637 [14:54:51] <b00kworm> fujisan: ?
1638 [14:55:18] <fujisan> according to your nick
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1641 [14:55:53] <b00kworm> lots 😄 but that's a tad offtopic
for hear
1642 [14:55:56] <b00kworm> here*
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1644 [14:56:08] <fujisan> in which channels are you?
1645 [14:56:17] <fujisan> in #literature ?
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1647 [14:56:58] <b00kworm> mostly Linux related, no I don't
like those kind of books discussed there... I am more into Fantasy
stuff
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1654 [14:59:59] <fujisan> oh okay
1655 [15:00:03] <fujisan> LOTR
1656 [15:00:05] <fujisan> etc
1657 [15:00:25] <fujisan> i do like linux related stuff
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1659 [15:00:31] <fujisan> it's interesting
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1669 [15:04:20] <RoyK> fujisan: what about this? ;)
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1670 [15:04:32] <johnmidhun> themill: can you tell someother
method to uninstall it
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1672 [15:05:05] <maxlatern[m]> anyone had an issue with terminal
sessions disappearing or hidden somewhere cause its still running
but i dont see it when i click on terminal to show all the terminals
or super W
1673 [15:05:29] <fujisan> cool thnx RoyK
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1679 [15:10:11] <themill> johnmidhun: setup.py normally does not
support uninstalling
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1682 [15:11:19] <JustASlacker> you can do python setup.py install
--record files.txt
1683 [15:11:26] <JustASlacker> and delete those files
1684 [15:11:27] <JustASlacker> cat files.txt | xargs rm -rf
1685 [15:11:43] <JustASlacker>
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1686 [15:11:45] <themill> hoping of course that setup.py
didn't randomly overwrite things
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1689 [15:14:08] <jelly> JustASlacker, I wouldn't do -r on a
bunch of file paths without first making VERY sure they're safe
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1698 [15:17:43] <jelly> ,v npm2deb
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1700 [15:17:45] <judd> Package: npm2deb on amd64 -- jessie:
0.2.2-1; sid: 0.2.7-6
1701 [15:17:54] <jelly> !why is npm2deb not in testing
1702 [15:17:54] <dpkg> npm2deb is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
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1704 [15:19:33] <JustASlacker> nah
1705 [15:19:35] <JustASlacker> its fine
1706 [15:19:46] <JustASlacker> just delete all the things
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1773 [16:02:20] <Trel> What's combination of links I need to
click from debian.org to get to the firmware download and the iso
with the firmware integrated? (I know how to find it from Google,
but I'm trying to find the path there from the homepage)
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1778 [16:04:30] <SirLagz> Trel: homepage -> CD/USB ISO images
-> Download CD/DVD images using HTTP -> amd64 -> Non-free
Firmware
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1782 [16:05:12] <Trel> SirLagz: thank you
1783 [16:05:23] <SirLagz> Trel: out of curiosity, why do you want
that?
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1785 [16:08:38] <Trel> I keep a disc around of that to use when I
need to install on an unknown laptop.
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1788 [16:08:59] <Trel> (And I like knowing how to get there in
case I can't access google, or the link changes, and
google's is not updated yet, etc)
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1793 [16:10:30] <tete_> hi, i get all the time a message from
cron: subject: Cron <root@trustserv> root [ -x
/usr/lib/php/sessionclean ] && if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system
]; then /usr/lib/php/sessionclean; fi; and the body: /bin/sh: 1:
root: not found
1794 [16:10:48] <tete_> i checked the /etc/cron.d/php which
contained this line and i removed the "root" username, but
its still sending me messages - also a restart of crond did not help
1795 [16:11:03] <Divergenz> i upgraded wheezy to skretch but my
system is broken. howto repair it? can someone tell me the best way
to get any information howto start?
1796 [16:11:18] <tete_> i also grep'd in /etc for
sessionclean, there was only this one file in /etc/cron.d containing
that call
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1798 [16:11:29] <tete_> Divergenz, it would be useful to tell the
people _what_ exactly is broken
1799 [16:11:38] <tete_> does it boot? is it an application which
hangs? etc. etc.
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1802 [16:12:38] <somiaj> Divergenz: did you upgrade through jessie
first?
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1806 [16:13:35] <Divergenz> I can't connect to ssh and nginx
isn't running. I logged as root in KVM and the system is
running. apt-get update tells me that he can't fetch anything
1807 [16:13:40] <Divergenz> somiaj: no.
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1809 [16:14:02] <somiaj> Divergenz: backup and reinstall stretch.
Upgrades are not designed to skip releases.
1810 [16:14:42] <tete_> when apt tells u it cant fetch anything,
what says ifconfig or "ip addr show" ?
1811 [16:15:07] <tete_> whats the _exact_ error - its a bit
annoying to ask people for their problem
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1816 [16:17:09] <petn-randall> Divergenz: What somiaj said. You
skipped jessie, you system is most likely broken.
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1826 [16:20:17] <Divergenz> is it possible to repair it with
netinstall?
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1828 [16:20:47] <Divergenz> or is there any command around which
check the system and repair broken files?
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1837 [16:24:10] <petn-randall> Divergenz: There isn't,
that's why it's not supported.
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1840 [16:26:37] <somiaj> Divergenz: Your system missed a whole
release of upgrade scripts and transitions, on top of that the
scripts run from stretch are designed for jessie, not wheezy. For
stability and secuirty it is faster to backup/reinstall than try to
fix it.
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1842 [16:27:22] <somiaj> and most likely you won't get every
little thing.
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1859 [16:32:26] <tete_> no one an idea with my cron problem?
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1864 [16:33:41] <somiaj> tete_: did you check user crontabs in
/var/spool/cron/crontabs
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1868 [16:34:54] <tete_> somiaj, perfect, thats it, but the first
line says: do not edit this file - should i ignore that?
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1871 [16:35:23] <somiaj> tete_: or use crontab to edit it as the
appropraite user
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1873 [16:36:06] <tete_> thanks, crontab -e made it
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1876 [16:36:32] <tete_> i am a bit confused because i thought
crond is looking for /etc/cron.* and executes them, and not in
/var/spool - but thanks :)
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1878 [16:36:58] <somiaj> tete_: system cron jobs vs user.
1879 [16:37:27] <tete_> ah ok, thanks :)
1880 [16:37:29] <somiaj> tete_: many php guides don't assume
the user has root privlages, but normal users can make their own
cron jobs that run with their user privlages
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1903 [16:46:07] <somepoortech> What apt source should I be using
to get wheezy (security)?
1904 [16:46:49] <somiaj> somepoortech: add a deb-src line for the
wheezy secruirty repo.
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1907 [16:47:38] <babilen> dpkg: wheezy sources.list
1908 [16:47:39] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb
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1910 [16:47:56] <babilen> ah .. s/httpredir/deb/g
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1913 [16:48:34] <somepoortech> I already have the standard apt
sources, my issue is with not getting patches for CVE-2017-3137 -
replaced-url
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1917 [16:49:52] <owl_tech> hi there people. looking for a online
radio that talk about gnu/linux and tech general...do you know any
project about this?
1918 [16:50:00] <somiaj> somepoortech: want to share your
sources.list? what is the output of 'apt-cache policy
bind9'
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1920 [16:51:15] <babilen> →
replaced-url
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1923 [16:52:12] <somepoortech> somiaj: sure, thanks -
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1926 [16:53:21] <babilen> 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u18 is the
one you have
1927 [16:53:32] <babilen> 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u18 is the
one that's fixed
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1929 [16:54:04] <babilen> (they are the same)
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1936 [16:55:54] <numbdewd> found an ancient pic on an old box I
thought Id bring back not having seen it in ages. I used
image-to-ascii service on it....
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1937 [16:56:09] <somepoortech> I guess that means I need to file a
bug?? I have an assertion crash
1938 [16:56:36] <babilen> somepoortech: Could you elaborate on the
actual problem you are trying to fix?
1939 [16:56:46] <numbdewd> wondering if thats noticable for some
correlation besides the sexual suggestions it may be implying.. , or
if better just use the pic..
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1944 [16:57:18] <babilen> numbdewd: Play elsewhere, thanks
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1946 [16:57:23] <somepoortech>
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1949 [16:57:55] <babilen> somepoortech: And that's related to
CVE-2017-3137 how?
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1953 [16:59:52] <somepoortech> babilen: actually looks like I
looked at the wrong thing....
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1956 [17:00:48] <babilen> How so?
1957 [17:01:40] <somepoortech> his error matched mine and I lost a
9 and got a 7 when I was searching cve's
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1961 [17:02:43] <babilen>
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1965 [17:03:59] <somepoortech> ok, well I still have an assertion
crash. Where should I report that
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1983 [17:13:06] <babilen> somepoortech: I guess "reportbug
bind9" would be a start
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1986 [17:13:49] <babilen> You might want to run "reportbug
--configure" beforehand and configure it to use Debian's
SMTP servers for submission by not configuring servers explicitly
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1989 [17:14:09] <babilen> (i.e. "smtphost
reportbug.debian.org" in ~/.reportbugrc)
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2029 [17:34:56] <linuxthefish> hey, I did apt-get install
mysql-server on debian 9.2, but it installed mariadb and didn't
ask for a password!
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2031 [17:35:35] <annadane> linuxthefish, mariadb replaces mysql in
debian 9
2032 [17:35:43] <linuxthefish> I used mysql-secure-installation to
set one, yet when I try to use phpmyadmin it doesn't allow me,
and when I use "mysql -p" then enter my password, it tells
me "ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax;
check the manual that corresponds to your MariaDB server version for
the right syntax to use near 'USER
'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY
'MyNewPass'' at line 1"
2033 [17:36:14] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: I guess
mysql-secure-installation broke your installation then.
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2036 [17:37:35] <FinalX> sounds like your phpMyAdmin is
incompatible with the current version of the MySQL language
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2040 [17:38:18] <FinalX> ignore; if it's also the base mysql
command line client..
2041 [17:38:29] <linuxthefish> strange, it's phpMyAdmin-4.7.7
the latest :/
2042 [17:38:50] <FinalX> no, ignore my comment, it's like
petn-randall said
2043 [17:39:00] <petn-randall> ,v phpmyadmin
2044 [17:39:01] <judd> Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- wheezy:
4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u8; jessie:
4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; stretch:
4:4.6.6-4; buster: 4:4.6.6-5; sid: 4:4.6.6-5
2045 [17:39:12] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: That's not the
one coming with Debian.
2046 [17:39:27] <linuxthefish> I installed from their website,
I'm using lighttpd for a webserver
2047 [17:39:33] <FinalX> good, then we know for certain it's
up to date
2048 [17:39:57] <FinalX> he said it's also with the default
client, so it's not phpmyadmin :)
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2052 [17:41:50] <linuxthefish> I tried the phpmyadmin package and
selected the webserver as lighttpd (i installed from repo), but it
gives "dpkg: error processing package phpmyadmin (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit
status 2" and doesn't install
2053 [17:42:05] <linuxthefish> i think i'll just go back to
debian 7 if it's bugged ;/
2054 [17:42:15] <FinalX> mysql_secure_installation works fine for
me when I try it
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2058 [17:42:48] <FinalX> linuxthefish: you said mysql -p it fails.
I think you have mixed packages of mysql and mariadb installed.
2059 [17:43:02] <FinalX> linuxthefish: different library versions,
even. that'll give a big crapup like this.
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2061 [17:43:16] <linuxthefish> strange, I just did "apt-get
install mysql-server" and it's a new install of debian
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2063 [17:43:31] <NetTerminalGene> will debian patch latest intel
vulnerability? but it has %30 performance hit. so will it me
optional update?
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2065 [17:43:42] <FinalX> linuxthefish: dpkg -l | egrep
'(mysql|mariadb)'
2066 [17:43:45] <NetTerminalGene> be*
2067 [17:43:48] <FinalX> linuxthefish: apt-cache policy
mysql-server
2068 [17:44:10] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: There's no
CVE or scope about it yet, so best thing for now is to wait until
the DSA comes out.
2069 [17:44:40] <NetTerminalGene> i hope it will be optionsl
2070 [17:44:45] <FinalX> (there is no mysql-server in stretch,
it's a meta package that depends on default-mysql-server, and
default-mysql-server depends on mariadb-server-10.1)
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2072 [17:44:54] <petn-randall> !bat
2073 [17:44:55] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2075 [17:45:07] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: Can you provide *all*
of the above regarding your installation error?
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2077 [17:45:19] <linuxthefish> ok hold on
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2079 [17:45:38] <petn-randall> Preferably in a single paste on
replaced-url
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2081 [17:46:10] <FinalX> NetTerminalGene: the Intel vulnerability
work-around patches in the kernel are being worked on (for months
already) by the official Linux Kernel devs. Security updates that
were already completed are released through the security channel.
Once all last fixes are in, I'm pretty sure it'll follow
quickly.
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2083 [17:46:22] <linuxthefish>
replaced-url
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2085 [17:46:53] <NetTerminalGene> FinalX, but it causes
performance hit. i want it to be optional
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2088 [17:47:13] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: Read the factoid
again please, you're missing most of it.
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2090 [17:47:21] <linuxthefish> running "man mysql" says
"mysql - the MariaDB command-line tool", so it is the
mariadb version
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2092 [17:47:49] <linuxthefish> petn-randall but mysql installed
fine, and I think I closed the window then it installed
2093 [17:47:53] <linuxthefish> should I reinstall it?
2094 [17:47:59] <linuxthefish> mysql-server*
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2096 [17:48:21] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: I thought phpmyadmin
failed with "dpkg: error processing package phpmyadmin
(--configure): ...."
2097 [17:48:41] <linuxthefish> yes, but it still installed with
lighttpd and I can access it on the web, just not log in
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2100 [17:49:15] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: Yeah, but I think
that error is important to your problem.
2101 [17:49:17] <FinalX> NetTerminalGene: Debian's kernel
will get whatever the Linux kernel gives. There's already a
working PoC that can poll 2-bytes at a time from the CPU cache, you
really want it on. That being said, as you can forcibly enable it
for AMD CPU's (off by default), I'm sure you can also
forcibly disable it for non-AMD CPU's.
2102 [17:49:29] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: You might be able to
trigger it again by running 'dpkg --configure -a'.
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2104 [17:49:42] <FinalX> Also, you can blame Intel for it, not
Debian, and not the Linux kernel dev team.. :)
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2106 [17:51:04] <NetTerminalGene> i only blame intel
2107 [17:51:11] <linuxthefish>
replaced-url
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2109 [17:51:43] <linuxthefish> I've installed
mysql-server/lighttpd/phpmyadmin loads of times before on debian 7,
and it always worked then :/
2110 [17:52:02] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: Great. Can you now
also provide 2) from the factoid? Then we got it all together.
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2112 [17:52:46] <FinalX> the error you pasted really seems like an
outdated client connecting with a new version with changed syntax or
vice versa, but your packages don't show that
2113 [17:53:32] <linuxthefish> petn-randall
replaced-url
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2115 [17:53:47] <FinalX> I'd wonder if it's table
corruption, but it can't really be with that error. Your
phpMyAdmin version is more than recent enough, as is your
php7.0-mysql package (which is irrelevant because your cli is also
failing, not just php?)
2116 [17:53:47] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: 2+3 I mean, sorry.
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2120 [17:55:40] <linuxthefish> petn-randall is number 3 sorry
replaced-url
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2128 [17:58:12] <maxlatern[m]> any word on the patches being
released fo that intel memory leak
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2130 [17:59:41] <petn-randall> maxlatern[m]: It's not a
memory leak.
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2133 [18:00:45] <maxlatern[m]> well i have about 20+ articles that
say memory leak but they could be wrong.. do you know when its
supposed to be fixed
2134 [18:01:11] <petn-randall> maxlatern[m]: There'll likely
be a DSA in the next few days.
2135 [18:01:52] <petn-randall> maxlatern[m]: Since it's
embargoed there's not much we can say about the impact, scope
or severity.
2136 [18:01:53] <maxlatern[m]> DSA being a kernel update?
2137 [18:02:05] <babilen> Debian Security Advisory
2138 [18:02:14] <babilen> I'm sure there'll be CVEs to
go along with it
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2140 [18:02:22] <maxlatern[m]> i know its under wraps right now
2141 [18:02:25] <maxlatern[m]> which is good until they fix it lol
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2143 [18:02:31] <babilen> At the moment we can but read
speculations, embargo lists and wait ...
2144 [18:02:34] <maxlatern[m]> cool thanks
2145 [18:02:47] * petn-randall wonders why people only care about
security bugs that hit the mainstream news.
2146 [18:03:07] <shtrb> because we simply not aware of them ?
2147 [18:03:22] <babilen> They should have gone with FUCKWIT :)
2148 [18:03:23] <RoyK> probably
2149 [18:03:35] <maxlatern[m]> maybe cause they usually means its
pretty bad
2150 [18:03:36] <babilen> Anymow .. → #d-ot
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2152 [18:03:45] <maxlatern[m]> that
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2156 [18:04:12] <shtrb> babilen would it even pass the firewall
rules put by the editors /
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2159 [18:04:58] <maxlatern[m]> from what i read of some stuff that
was leaked this bug looked pretty nasty lol
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2163 [18:06:08] <petn-randall> babilen: Heh :D
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2166 [18:06:36] <petn-randall> maxlatern[m]: Not really, but we
can continue this on #debian-offtopic.
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2179 [18:11:42] <WinXPforever> Is there a reason why information
for adding sources to sources.list is buried in the Administration
Guide and not easily available in the FAQ or installation guide?
2180 [18:11:53] <WinXPforever> It seems like the most important
thing to know
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2183 [18:13:23] <jhutchins_wk> WinXPforever: It's in the
basic install instructions, it's not like Ubuntu where
you're adding PPAs all the time.
2184 [18:13:53] <jhutchins_wk> WinXPforever: Any decent repository
should have instructions on how to add it, but you want to be very
circumspect about adding third party repos.
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2188 [18:14:20] <WinXPforever> jhutchins_wk, all I have is the CD
media and security.debian.org
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2194 [18:16:29] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
2195 [18:16:29] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
2196 [18:16:46] <jelly> WinXPforever, yeah that happens sometimes,
it's a bug
2197 [18:17:49] <WinXPforever> ok thank you
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2203 [18:23:53] <kion> si vamos
2204 [18:24:04] <kion> sorry wrong window
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2214 [18:29:11] <shtrb> jelly, shouldn't there be a debug
source already ?
2215 [18:30:26] <jelly> debug source for what, sorry?
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2246 [18:43:30] <m1n3> Hey yall, im wondering how to open an app
over ssh with xforwarding enabled, but not show it on the remote
machine but rather the localhost. I can already open it remotely,
but how to locally as well?
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2249 [18:44:10] <hicks_> usually you do DISPLAY=:0.0 name_of_app
2250 [18:44:33] <hicks_> if by local machine you mean the machine
you are sshing from, not into.
2251 [18:44:40] <m1n3> into
2252 [18:45:25] <m1n3> i have DISPLAY=10.0 as my machine with ssh
client running but I want it to open on the ssh server
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2255 [18:46:17] <m1n3> with 0.0 I get a cannot open display :(
2256 [18:46:28] <hicks_> try DISPLAY=:0
2257 [18:46:44] <m1n3> INDEED!
2258 [18:46:46] <m1n3> Thank you
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2266 [18:51:58] <omber_> Question: I am running Stretch. I am
trying to install a package listed on
replaced-url
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2268 [18:52:47] <shtrb> omber_ , did you do apt-get update after
adding your repo in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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2271 [18:53:38] <omber_> shtrb, I did not add any new repositories
besides default ones, I am not sure which repository to add based on
the above link
2272 [18:53:43] <babilen> omber_: Which package is it?
2273 [18:54:00] <babilen> judd: v sabnzbdplus
2274 [18:54:01] <judd> Package: sabnzbdplus on amd64 --
wheezy/contrib: 0.6.15-1; jessie/contrib: 0.7.18-1; stretch/contrib:
1.1.1+dfsg-1; buster/contrib: 2.3.1+dfsg-1; sid/contrib:
2.3.1+dfsg-1
2275 [18:54:09] <babilen> omber_: That one ^^ ?
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2277 [18:54:15] <omber_> babilen, yes
2278 [18:54:19] <shtrb> If you already have main and **contrib**
in /etc/apt/sources.list you only need to do apt-get update
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2280 [18:54:34] <shtrb> make sure contrib is listed
2281 [18:54:35] <omber_> looks like I am missing contrib, thank
you
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2283 [18:54:44] <babilen> You want to ensure that you have entries
for "contrib" .. an easy way would be to ensure that every
line ends in "main contrib" (or "main contrib
non-free")
2284 [18:54:44] <shtrb> .next
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2286 [18:55:07] <babilen> Let us know if you need help and paste
your current sources.list to
replaced-url
2287 [18:55:10] <babilen> dpkg: next
2288 [18:55:11] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2290 [18:55:32] <shtrb> dpkg: are there debug repos in stable ?
2291 [18:55:33] <dpkg> shtrb: I don't know, could you explain
it?
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2313 [19:06:22] <annadane> shtrb, not a repo but
replaced-url
2314 [19:06:40] <jhutchins_wk> shtrb: What do you mean by debug
repos?
2315 [19:09:45] <shtrb> jhutchins_wk , sorry , used the wrong term
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2362 [19:37:03] <jhutchins_wk> Wonder why they don't do that
as a repo...
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2365 [19:38:58] <somiaj> do what as a repo?
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2368 [19:39:47] <shtrb> the *-debug folders
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2373 [19:42:37] <megaTherion> Hello, is it possible to dump to
shell with the default initramfs in Debian Stretch?
2374 [19:42:45] <somiaj> shtrb: I'm still unsure what you
mean.
2375 [19:43:09] <shtrb> somiaj, I should had been using the
correct termp ("section" ?)
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2377 [19:44:35] <somiaj> shtrb: so you do mean the list annadane
linked? You can search for things like this with aptitude
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2381 [19:45:14] <bolt> shtrb: many packages have a -debug package
available
2382 [19:45:44] <shtrb> I know , I know I was wrong (with newer
versions you should have version-debug )
2383 [19:45:59] <shtrb> forget it
2384 [19:46:02] <koollman> megaTherion: init=/bin/bash, as an
argument to the kernel ? or do you think about something else
2385 [19:46:05] <koollman> ?
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2397 [19:50:57] <megaTherion> koollman: that only works if
you've already an root filesystem mounted?
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2399 [19:51:35] <koollman> megaTherion: no. bash is typically in
initramfs
2400 [19:51:53] <koollman> (otherwise, pick a shell that would be
there)
2401 [19:52:24] <megaTherion> koollman: well doesnt work, last
lines I see are "mounting /dev/block/8:2 on /root failed: No
such device"
2402 [19:52:36] <megaTherion> ya thats why Im asking, Im not
familiar with Debian's initramfs layout :)
2403 [19:52:46] <megaTherion> I dont know what's there or
isnt
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2461 [20:20:30] <ArAnAnAdAm> her burada turkce konusabilen var mi
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2464 [20:21:57] <ArAnAnAdAm> have a turkish channel in thats here?
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2469 [20:23:45] <ArAnAnAdAm> her meselede oldugu gibi yine garbin
bir taraflarina yapisarak yasamaya devam ediyorsunuz demek
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2471 [20:24:18] <ArAnAnAdAm> uyanin be uyanin tasaklarina
yapistiginiz putunuz dahi tek ilahi ilim olan batidan ithal
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2473 [20:26:25] <annadane> !turkish
2474 [20:26:25] <dpkg> [turkish] #turklug, or trke yardm iin
#debian.tr
2475 [20:26:35] <annadane> well, they left anyway
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2492 [20:34:23] <sverzel> can't find any info on the Intel
"memory leak" issue - anyone know when a fix will be
implemented for Debian?
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2494 [20:35:15] <shtrb> sverzel , you should wait
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2499 [20:36:02] <sverzel> shtrb, I guess that's the only
logical thing to do, but I wondered if there's been any
statements?
2500 [20:36:20] <frostschutz> next year
2501 [20:36:33] <shtrb> some devs had dropped messages about it
few hours ago
2502 [20:37:00] <sverzel> "working on it and yeah systems
will drop performance"?
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2504 [20:37:27] <shtrb> sverzel , each workflow will be hit by a
different way
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2506 [20:37:48] <jhutchins_wk> sverzel: It's a longstanding
problem that's been blown out of proportion by the media.
2507 [20:37:57] <sverzel> shtrb, of course, it depends on how much
you interact with the kernel I guess
2508 [20:38:28] <jhutchins_wk> sverzel: Make sure you have the
latest microcode installed and watch the security-announce mailing
lists.
2509 [20:38:31] <sverzel> jhutchins_wk, didn't it start in
like June? 5-50% performance reduction sounds serious to me.
Depending on the situation, of course.
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2511 [20:39:29] <shtrb> sverzel the 30-60 marks are for IO
intensive only
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2513 [20:40:44] <sverzel> shtrb, mm. I work mostly with databases
and they are IO intensive, hence my curiosity.
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2522 [20:44:05] <shtrb> let us move to debian-offtopic
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2525 [20:44:09] <jordila> Looking for potential rootkits... when
running rkunter, i'm being informed about :
2526 [20:44:54] <jordila> [20:21:50] Files checked: 144
2527 [20:44:54] <jordila> [20:21:50] Suspect files: 1
2528 [20:45:15] <jordila> [20:21:50] Possible rootkits: 1
2529 [20:45:15] <jordila> [20:21:50] Rootkit names :
RH-Sharpe's Rootkit
2530 [20:45:25] <jordila> any hints are more than welcomed
2531 [20:45:56] * jordila ... typo error : rkhunter , naturally
2532 [20:46:13] <annadane> jordila, in future, use
paste.debian.net for long pastes
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2534 [20:46:31] <jordila> sure annadane
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2537 [20:46:56] <JordiGH> What was that command for showing the
versions of all installed packages? I want to know how much backport
I have.
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2540 [20:47:37] <jhutchins_wk> jordila: It's been a while,
but I remember rkhunter giving me more detail than that, like what
file was suspect.
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2560 [20:53:19] <sparky4> evolution is kill
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2563 [20:54:10] <geri> hi, any idea how to fix this issue?
replaced-url
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2568 [20:55:51] <waflessnet> me cambie de debian a gentoo
2569 [20:55:55] <waflessnet> :/
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2571 [20:56:00] <waflessnet> y esta rebueno XD
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2573 [20:56:19] <waflessnet> sobre un i686 XD
2574 [20:56:20] <shtrb> waflessnet debian-es ?
2575 [20:56:40] <waflessnet> shtrb, omg , error change channel
thanx
2576 [20:56:46] <waflessnet> :*
2577 [20:57:55] <shtrb> lebutze haisti
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2587 [21:02:51] <JordiGH> There totally was a way to list packages
by repo they were installed from.
2588 [21:02:53] <JordiGH> What was it?
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2592 [21:06:10] <babilen> JordiGH:
replaced-url
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2594 [21:06:51] <babilen> dpkg: which repo
2595 [21:06:51] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have
come from, try
replaced-url
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2604 [21:11:05] <JordiGH> Thanks, wfm.
2605 [21:11:14] <JordiGH> But I think I really was looking for
aptitude search.
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2614 [21:14:27] <paraxic> what version of glibc is on stretch ?
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2616 [21:15:26] <ski7777> Hi
2617 [21:15:38] <ski7777> When was the release of debian 9.3?
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2620 [21:16:03] <annadane> ski7777, december 9
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2623 [21:16:29] <ski7777> How to check, when I installed it?
2624 [21:16:38] <annadane> paraxic, 2.24-11+deb9u1
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2629 [21:17:23] <paraxic> annadane: ahh thanks
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2631 [21:17:38] <annadane> that is the source package for glibc
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2633 [21:18:45] <ompaul> ski7777: cat /etc/debian_version and if
that says stretch if you apt update && apt upgrade
you'll get there
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2639 [21:19:37] <ompaul> ski7777: if it doesn't say stretch
you are not running that which will become stretch without some
other work - so you'd have to tell us what it is you have :-)
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2641 [21:20:15] <ski7777> Problem is solved
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2643 [21:20:33] <ompaul> I love it when a plan comes together.
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2645 [21:20:49] <ski7777> I hadd some build issues on buildroot
and I was thinking about that the host might be the problem
2646 [21:21:15] <ski7777> But another collegue is using deb9.2 and
he has the same problems
2647 [21:21:18] <jordila> umh... Rootkit Hunter gives : "
Checking for root equivalent (UID 0) accounts [ Warning ]
2648 [21:21:18] <jordila> "
2649 [21:21:43] <jordila> umh...system might have been compromised
& backdoored ?
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2651 [21:23:56] <shtrb> !paste
2652 [21:23:56] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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2654 [21:24:35] <bolt> jordila: does it actually print a verbose
warning message, or just that "[ Warning ]"?
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2657 [21:25:15] <bolt> jordila: if you've got nothing else to
go by, check /etc/passwd for any non-root accounts with uid 0. if
you've got some external login set up, ldap or similar, that
might be triggering it too
2658 [21:25:23] <jordila> just that Warning ... seems to ...
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2661 [21:26:56] <bolt> jordila: perhaps "getent passwd | grep
':0:'" might be enlightening?
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2663 [21:27:12] <jordila> the thing is that suspiciously someone
(alien) is changing (several times) sshd_config file allowing
'root' SSH access ... (which was forbidden 'no'
) >> to 'whithout-password'
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2668 [21:27:50] * jordila Auth... Logs didn't allowed me to check
for intruders for the moment, though ...
2669 [21:28:12] <bolt> jordila: without-password is the default
for stretch afaik. do you have some remote administration system
that might be reinstalling that package?
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2672 [21:29:02] <ompaul> jordila: did you know there are debian
tools for checking a system apt search rootkit
2673 [21:29:04] * jordila just updated to 'Stretch' on new
Year's eve ... so it already happened prior to (
'Jessie' )
2674 [21:29:22] <jordila> i did not ompaul
2675 [21:29:33] <aphotica> Debian 9.3, fresh install is very
stable and lightweight
2676 [21:29:39] <aphotica> quite happy
2677 [21:29:44] <ompaul> jordila: if you suspect a machine the
thing you do is disconnect it from the internet and via a console
inspect it
2678 [21:30:32] <SwK> so is the PTI stuff gonna end up backported
to Jessie kernels?
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2694 [21:39:55] <annadane> glad to hear it, aphotica :)
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2708 [21:49:34] <megaTherion> why does stupid systemd reboot
instantly if it cant check the root device? how can I drop to shell?
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2715 [21:51:59] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: Probably best to boot
to a rescue image.
2716 [21:52:08] <megaTherion> there is none
2717 [21:52:13] <megaTherion> why would it expect that there would
be one?
2718 [21:52:30] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: One what?
2719 [21:52:34] <megaTherion> "rescue image"
2720 [21:52:49] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: I mean an iso - a USB
or disk.
2721 [21:52:55] <megaTherion> as said there is none.
2722 [21:52:58] <megaTherion> anyways can I change this behaviour?
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2724 [21:53:12] <shtrb> megaTherion do you have keyboard access
prior to the reboot ?
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2726 [21:53:38] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: There wouldn't
magically be one, it's something you make. You can use an
installer image.
2727 [21:53:58] <megaTherion> shtrb: well it just boots fine,
saying "[FAILED] to start File System Check on Root
device." <- I dont care, it shall continue booting not
rebooting immediadly
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2731 [21:54:05] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: exacly
2732 [21:54:28] <shtrb> megaTherion , if you have keyboard you can
setup single user access ( I hope , depened on your system)
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2734 [21:54:44] <megaTherion> shtrb: how am I gonna tell that to
systemd?
2735 [21:55:22] <shtrb> add init=/bin/bash to the grub line you
are starting (it should hopefully work)
2736 [21:55:30] <megaTherion> ah ok well I'll try
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2738 [21:56:15] <megaTherion> shtrb: yeah works, thanks - now
I've to figure out how to change the systemd behaviour
2739 [21:56:18] <shtrb> but I don't know if that will do the
job for you (so you could fix the issue that brake systemd)
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2741 [21:56:29] <megaTherion> (I dont want systemd at all but
since there is no Debian without it anymore...)
2742 [21:56:35] <jhutchins_wk> If it's not finding the root
device, it's not going to find the initrd, and there's
going to be nothing for it to boot to.
2743 [21:56:42] <megaTherion> shtrb: the issue is basically I
changed the root fs - but thats my choice
2744 [21:56:43] <shtrb> there is a reason why it failed to access,
maybe mount or some module is missing ?
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2746 [21:56:54] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: it found it already,
it can even shutdown the system gracefully
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2748 [21:57:28] <shtrb> jhutchins_wk , I thought it is common
practise to have boot not on rootfs
2749 [21:57:39] <shtrb> thanks for the hint it is not common
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2753 [21:59:17] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: I'm not using an
initrd, dont want one
2754 [21:59:22] <megaTherion> its also booting fine
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2756 [21:59:30] <jhutchins_wk> shtrb: Back in the days when
systems were commonly multi-user shell access it was a security
issue, but if a user could write to /boot they could alter the boot
process anyway.
2757 [22:00:16] <shtrb> thanks for the notice
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2759 [22:00:39] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: From what you've
said you don't have any idea what's actualy happening. If
you're running debian on intel or amd architecture you're
using an initrd/initfs.
2760 [22:01:00] <megaTherion> why would I not have an idea? I told
you the current situation.
2761 [22:01:06] <megaTherion> I've removed the initrd crap
because I dont need it
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2763 [22:01:22] <megaTherion> I've replaced the kernel with
custom configuration which I've done maybe 1000 times or more
back in the past on various systems
2764 [22:01:39] <megaTherion> its booting fine, even telling me so
until it hits a specific point where systemd decides to reboot
2765 [22:01:44] <megaTherion> (for whatever reason unknown to me)
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2768 [22:02:17] <megaTherion> its due this
"systemd-fsck-root.service" thing
2769 [22:02:20] <megaTherion> I want to get rid of it
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2772 [22:02:54] <synthmeat> does systemd know that non-forking
unit is dead without explicit pid file?
2773 [22:03:03] <synthmeat> asking for a friend
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2775 [22:04:23] <synthmeat> :D just wanna know if Restart's
gonna work if i don't create that file manually from the
service's actual code
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2780 [22:06:16] <jhutchins_wk> Georg if it tries to check the root
filesystem but can't find it, it's going to assume
there's nothing to boot to and stop the boot process. The fact
that it reboots may not be intuitive, but you wouldn't have
anything to work with anyway, all of the shells and utilities are on
the root device. There's no there there.
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2782 [22:06:42] <jhutchins_wk> That's why you need to boot to
something other than the system you're trying to fix, you need
a working system to access the files.
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2788 [22:07:54] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: but thats an false
assumption because in fact it past already many stages which would
be impossible without an proper /
2789 [22:08:06] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: its an image I've
in virtualbox, I can only make an screenshot of it atm
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2793 [22:10:24] <jhutchins_wk> That's not really an
assumption, that's what your system is doing. Yes, I agree, it
seems to have some system loaded from whatever source, but at the
point that it tries to check the rootfs it can't find it for
whatever reason, and reacts accordingly.
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2795 [22:10:40] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk:
replaced-url
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2798 [22:10:56] <megaTherion> yeah thats why I want this service
to be overriden, gone, killed, whatever
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2804 [22:12:39] <megaTherion> I also dont want to start a
systemd/init flamewar - I basically left Linux because of this
decission, Im using usually Gentoo because one still has a choice -
so I basically know nothing about systemd's behaviour.
2805 [22:12:56] <megaTherion> but there must be a way to override
this, Linux was always about choice and I chose f2fs as my root
filesystem.
2806 [22:13:55] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: WEll, you're
going to have to get into the systemd code and figure out what
it's doing. Notice that it also fails to load the kernel
modules. It's probably not loading the module for your
filesystem.
2807 [22:14:18] <megaTherion> its compiled in
2808 [22:14:22] <megaTherion> I dont want any modules, I dont need
them
2809 [22:14:39] <jhutchins_wk> Yes, linux is about choices.
Systemd and gnome not so much.
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2811 [22:14:48] <shtrb> megaTherion you could change that service
to behave as if it treated
2812 [22:14:54] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: If it doesn't
need any why is it trying (and failing) to load them?
2813 [22:14:59] <megaTherion> shtrb: yes if you tell me how :)
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2816 [22:15:16] <shtrb> but you also need to remove the force
system check from the system
2817 [22:15:20] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: because systemd isnt
as good as all people promised... seems my fears turn out true
2818 [22:15:40] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: Build a stock Debian
VM and use it to mount the VDisk so you can work on it.
2819 [22:15:48] <megaTherion> I have that already
2820 [22:16:19] <megaTherion> basically if something unexecpted
happens what I want is that I get dropped to shell
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2822 [22:16:52] <shtrb> megaTherion , I think if it will return 0
it would be consider ok
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2828 [22:19:40] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: How is it going to
load a shell if it can't find the root filesystem?
2829 [22:19:48] <megaTherion> it already has one
2830 [22:19:56] <megaTherion> it can start other services just
fine
2831 [22:19:59] <paraxic> so whats the deal with unicode, all my
locales set(en_US.UTF-8), utf8 enabled terminal(rxvt-unicode), utf8
enabled irc client(weechat) and got the noto and symbola fonts and
still not rendering all unicode chars ?
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2837 [22:21:59] <jhutchins_wk> paraxic: maybe you're getting
utf16.
2838 [22:22:09] <paraxic> ?
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2848 [22:23:51] <jhutchins_wk> !fr
2849 [22:23:51] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in
french, please go to #debian-fr.
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2853 [22:27:55] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: btw. I asked in
#systemd and removing the / from the fstab fixed the issue
2854 [22:28:41] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: Great. I figured you
were going to have to get deeper into systemd. Your system sounds
nothing like a stock debian system.
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2860 [22:30:06] <megaTherion> jhutchins_wk: it isnt... I changed
it but well its like just 2 changes not more ;)
2861 [22:30:10] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: You know your
certificate is revoked?
2862 [22:30:12] <megaTherion> once its booting up.. its stock
again :p
2863 [22:30:16] <megaTherion> yeah
2864 [22:30:20] <megaTherion> I hate certs
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2866 [22:30:35] <jhutchins_wk> megaTherion: letsencrypt works
pretty well.
2867 [22:30:43] <megaTherion> I know I've to migrate... just
no time...
2868 [22:30:54] <megaTherion> its on the TODO list but not on the
first 5 points ;)
2869 [22:30:55] <shtrb> certificate ?
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2871 [22:31:04] <megaTherion> certs suck anyways, CAs suck too -
the whole idea sucks
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2873 [22:31:14] <megaTherion> its just eyewash
2874 [22:31:18] <qman__> it takes some up front work but
letsencrypt is pretty great
2875 [22:31:27] <qman__> I use dehydrated and wrote a hook for my
DNS provider
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2879 [22:34:42] <jhutchins_wk> certbot's in Debian.
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2881 [22:36:01] <qman__> I haven't used certbot, but the
acme.sh tool is pretty bad compared to dehydrated
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2883 [22:36:21] <jhutchins_wk> ,v dehydrated
2884 [22:36:22] <judd> Package: dehydrated on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 0.3.1-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.3.1-3+deb9u1;
stretch-backports: 0.4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.4.0-2; sid: 0.4.0-2
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2887 [22:37:16] <rob_debian> Hi all
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2905 [22:48:08] <shtrb> ,v firefox
2906 [22:48:09] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 57.0.3-1;
experimental: 58.0~b4-1
2907 [22:48:52] <jelly> you may be looking for firefox-esr
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2909 [22:49:18] <shtrb> I think firefox should be nuked (sbecause
of spyware ) -
replaced-url
2910 [22:49:37] <shtrb> ,v firefox-esr
2911 [22:49:38] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie:
52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster:
52.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb7u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.5.3esr-1
2912 [22:49:50] <shtrb> jessie affected also
2913 [22:49:57] <jelly> I think you should reconsider your usage
of word "spyware"
2914 [22:50:09] <annadane> well, and debian also has modified
versions of vanilla 'fox anyway
2915 [22:50:29] <annadane> granted, they're not *extensive*
and they try to be as close to upstream as possible
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2917 [22:50:47] <shtrb> I think that firefox 52 and up should be
removed from debian , because they uploaded memory dumps to their
servers when the user was not expecting that
2918 [22:51:06] <shtrb> is better jelly ?
2919 [22:51:08] <booyah> shtrb: is this active in debian's
version?
2920 [22:51:17] <booyah> that seems like a huge privacy violation
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2922 [22:51:28] <shtrb> it hit top news few minutes ago
2923 [22:51:30] <annadane> also i get page doesn't exist on
your link
2924 [22:51:49] <annadane> also it's possible esr isn't
affected anyway
2925 [22:52:06] <annadane> also, that doesn't mean
"firefox should be removed from debian"
2926 [22:52:14] <shtrb>
replaced-url
2927 [22:52:35] <jelly> shtrb, are you positive debian's
builds of firefox-esr are affected?
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2929 [22:52:43] <shtrb> no
2930 [22:53:04] <booyah> jelly: seems worthwhile for security team
to investigate, can someone notify them?
2931 [22:53:14] <kale> if i put something in /etc/rc.local will it
only run once when the system is done booting?
2932 [22:53:25] <jelly> shtrb, if it's a known issue, an
unintended one, and it's being fixed, what purpose would
removing software from Debian serve?
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2936 [22:54:01] <jelly> booyah, I bet they read news.
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2940 [22:55:39] <annadane> "collected by accident" and
"will delete" doesn't seem to coincide very well with
"please remove this key package from debian, affecting millions
of users"
2941 [22:55:46] <jelly> booyah, anyone can notify firefox
maintainers by filing a bug report.
2942 [22:55:54] <annadane> if anything, there would be a fork if
firefox were being truly malicious
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2944 [22:56:08] <annadane> some people do use waterfox and such
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2948 [22:56:31] <annadane> s/firefox/mozilla
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2956 [22:59:13] <TwoTwenty> is the Kaiser patch applied in the
latest stable kernel ?
2957 [22:59:18] <Guest35995> hi
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2959 [22:59:43] <jelly> TwoTwenty, in debian? No
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2961 [22:59:51] <_KaszpiR_> hardly
2962 [22:59:54] <TwoTwenty> no?
2963 [22:59:57] <_KaszpiR_> especially in stable
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2966 [23:00:07] <TwoTwenty> the patch was accepted into mainline
kernel oct31
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2969 [23:00:32] <TwoTwenty>
hxxps://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/daveh/x86-kaiser.git/
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2971 [23:00:42] <_KaszpiR_> but it's mainline, not stable
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2974 [23:00:59] <TwoTwenty> yes I understand but it could have
been back ported since that time
2975 [23:01:14] <TwoTwenty> so I just want to know if your certain
? or assuming ?
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2978 [23:01:37] <_KaszpiR_> assuming, knowing how slow debian is
2979 [23:01:38] <jelly> TwoTwenty, I'm pretty fucking sure
it's not in Debian's 4.9
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2982 [23:02:03] <jelly> it's still getting fixes in upstream
longterm 4.14.whatever
2983 [23:02:03] <TwoTwenty> ok I assume the same but a NO is not
assumptive
2984 [23:02:33] <jelly> you don't have to assume, look at
package changelogs.
2985 [23:02:46] <TwoTwenty> for debian;s kernel ?
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2988 [23:02:51] <daedok> hello. I try to create startup script by
this instruction:
replaced-url
2989 [23:02:54] <jelly> yes.
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2991 [23:03:12] <annadane> apt changelog linux-image-amd64 i
believe
2992 [23:03:29] <annadane> well, not if you don't have amd64,
but the arch that you use
2993 [23:03:38] <owl_tech> no luck installing any distro of debian
in Acer Aspire M1610...Kernel Panic every time....Very
interesting...this is just a comment
2994 [23:03:48] <owl_tech> :)
2995 [23:04:01] <owl_tech> i will try Koppix
2996 [23:04:11] <TwoTwenty> jelly: do you have a good source for
the kernel change logs from the web rather then apt change
2997 [23:04:24] <annadane> TwoTwenty, all that is on the
kernel's site
2998 [23:04:29] <annadane> which i believe is just kernel.org?
2999 [23:04:38] <jelly> TwoTwenty, no, but start at
tracker.debian.org/linux
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3001 [23:05:04] <shtrb> owl_tech , have you tried accessing one of
the kernel channels (maybe someone will know what you need to setup
to avoid that oops)
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3003 [23:05:42] <jelly> TwoTwenty, which debian release are you
using?
3004 [23:05:50] <TwoTwenty> stretch
3005 [23:05:54] <owl_tech> shtrb, i will try knoppix 7.2. if it
don't work, i will ask there...thanks
3006 [23:05:59] <TwoTwenty> and jessie
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3010 [23:06:50] <annadane> hopefully not both on one computer
3011 [23:06:58] <annadane> unless it's a dual boot
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3014 [23:07:29] <jelly> TwoTwenty, apt changelog
linux-image-$(uname -r) ought to work
3015 [23:07:57] <jelly> not in jessie tho, but there's
aptitude changelog ... there
3016 [23:08:11] <TwoTwenty> yes but my question was for a web
resource since I am not near a debian console ATM
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3018 [23:09:31] <TwoTwenty> jelly: I specifically requested from
apt change and not from apt change if you could post me all the
change logs from my current kernel to the current ;) that would be
great
3019 [23:09:44] <TwoTwenty> jelly: from the web* and not...
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3021 [23:10:24] <jelly> TwoTwenty, did you open the tracker page?
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3023 [23:11:02] <TwoTwenty> jelly: yes
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3027 [23:11:33] <TwoTwenty> jelly: I guess second question whats
the CVE for the kaiser kaslr patch ?
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3030 [23:12:17] <jelly> TwoTwenty, CVEs are assigned to
vulnerabilities, not their workarounds. The vuln. is still under
embargo.
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3032 [23:12:28] <TwoTwenty> maybe
replaced-url
3033 [23:12:43] <jelly> and judging by the little info available
there may be more than one
3034 [23:13:16] <TwoTwenty> well the patch is old
3035 [23:13:30] <TwoTwenty> this security problem was known in
2016 black hat conference
3036 [23:13:34] <jelly> it's not old at all
3037 [23:13:47] <TwoTwenty> the patch was accepted to the mainline
kernel 2 months ago
3038 [23:13:56] <TwoTwenty> the public disclosure for intel was
only 1 day ago
3039 [23:14:07] <TwoTwenty> intel CEO dumped stock mid december
3040 [23:14:09] <jelly> that was first accepted version of that
patch
3041 [23:14:10] <TwoTwenty> ;)
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3043 [23:14:22] <kale> where would i place a script that i want to
run at boot?
3044 [23:14:23] <TwoTwenty> I understand that its still in the
works
3045 [23:14:26] <jelly> TwoTwenty, none of that affected Debian
specifically
3046 [23:14:49] <TwoTwenty> jelly: to be transparent what I want
to know is when the patch and the performance hit might have
occurred
3047 [23:14:55] <TwoTwenty> jelly: or may have
3048 [23:15:08] <jelly> it has not "occured" yet
3049 [23:15:20] <TwoTwenty> jelly: are you certain?
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3051 [23:16:11] <TwoTwenty> jelly:
replaced-url
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3054 [23:16:55] <TwoTwenty> jelly: that suggests to me that the
patch that does hit performance did occur and has been applied
3055 [23:16:57] <jelly> TwoTwenty, it that a random CVE that
mentions kaslr, or what?
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3059 [23:18:02] <somiaj> TwoTwenty: that paticular CVE was
introduced in a kernel newer than stable.
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3062 [23:18:14] <somiaj> TwoTwenty: the page even mentions that
fact and that is why it is fixed.
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3064 [23:18:16] <TwoTwenty> jelly: not random
3065 [23:18:34] <jelly> TwoTwenty, how did you pick it then, and
did you look at the patch?
3066 [23:18:49] <jelly> TwoTwenty, it's very, very small and
fixes one specific leak.
3067 [23:19:01] <TwoTwenty> jelly: no I first found the original
patch made by the autrian university from github
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3070 [23:19:14] <TwoTwenty> jelly: then brought to the kernel git
server
3071 [23:19:26] <TwoTwenty> jelly: which apparently has the
performance hit
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3073 [23:19:59] <TwoTwenty> jelly:
replaced-url
3074 [23:20:00] <TwoTwenty>
replaced-url
3075 [23:20:00] <TwoTwenty>
replaced-url
3076 [23:20:13] <jelly> TwoTwenty, at the bottom of
replaced-url
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3079 [23:20:26] <shtrb> jelly are FF patches are privacy related ?
3080 [23:20:27] <jelly> TwoTwenty, not the same patch. not the
right cve
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3083 [23:20:37] <TwoTwenty> jelly: ok
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3085 [23:20:43] <TwoTwenty> jelly: so then your certain ?
3086 [23:20:49] <annadane> we need #debian-conspiracy-theorists
3087 [23:21:29] <jelly> TwoTwenty, I'm certain you need to be
more careful investigating CVEs.
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3089 [23:21:41] <TwoTwenty> jelly: yes I looked for kaslr but I
cannot find that the actual kaiser patch is applied
3090 [23:22:04] <jelly> so yes, you just picked a random CVE
mentioning kaslr...
3091 [23:22:13] <TwoTwenty> well in mainline kernel it is
obviously but I cannot find it in debian, I just want certainty here
it is a sensitive matter.
3092 [23:22:40] <annadane> you want certainty of what? that it
will be addressed or whether it's already been applied to the
4.9 kernel which brings about a performance hit?
3093 [23:22:41] <jelly> KASLR has been broken dozens of times and
more than one security analyst has deemed it basically useless
3094 [23:22:48] <TwoTwenty> I do not know a CVE has been supplied
for the specific problem kaiser patches
3095 [23:23:26] <jelly> TwoTwenty, I suggest patience and not
panicking.
3096 [23:23:29] <TwoTwenty> but the patch will be bakcported to
supported kernels obviously
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3099 [23:24:28] <TwoTwenty> jelly: you assume again.
3100 [23:24:39] * annadane smashes head against desk.
3101 [23:24:58] <TwoTwenty> jelly: as long as your certain and not
assuming then I'll assume your logic good, sorry to be a pain.
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3103 [23:25:30] <TwoTwenty> jelly: assume I am panicking that is
;) since I am not
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3105 [23:25:39] <lmw> Where's kernel-package in Stretch?
3106 [23:25:51] <annadane> lmw, what do you mean by
"where", specifically
3107 [23:26:04] <jelly> TwoTwenty, I'm absolutely certain
Debian's kernel team has not silently backported a rather
complex and intrusive patchset to two different longterm kernels,
3.16 and 4.9 series.
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3109 [23:26:12] <lmw> apt says there's no installation
candidate for kernel-package.
3110 [23:26:15] <lmw> I'm running Debian 9
3111 [23:26:23] <somiaj> lmw: if trying to build a kernel, I hear
it is better to use the 'make deb-pkg' in the main kernel
tree over using kernel-package.
3112 [23:26:24] <annadane> lmw, give us your output to
paste.debian.net
3113 [23:26:33] <jelly> lmw, it's not there. use "make
deb-pkg" probably.
3114 [23:26:35] <towo`> there is no need for kernel-package
3115 [23:26:54] <jelly> ,v kernel-package
3116 [23:26:55] <judd> Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- wheezy:
12.036+nmu3; jessie: 13.014+nmu1; buster: 13.018+nmu1; sid:
13.018+nmu1
3117 [23:26:56] <shtrb> lmw, don't forget to remove debug
symbols if you don't need them
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3119 [23:27:01] <somiaj> lmw:
replaced-url
3120 [23:27:08] <jelly> annadane, no need for output, it's
really not there.
3121 [23:27:14] <annadane> fair enough
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3123 [23:27:27] <annadane> i just didn't know what they were
trying to do
3124 [23:27:49] <lmw> It's in buster/testing and sid ... but
in stretch. And you tell me I should use "make deb-pkg"
... what now? Are you kidding me or so? It's a serious
question.
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3126 [23:28:05] <jelly> well they're not going to boil eggs
using kernel-package are they
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3128 [23:28:29] <somiaj> lmw: we aren't kidding you and the
link I pasted has the bug why it was removed from stretch.
3129 [23:28:32] <jelly> lmw, it's a serious answer.
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3132 [23:29:10] <lmw> weird
3133 [23:29:24] <towo`> and make deb-pkg is doing a better job
than make-kpkg ever has
3134 [23:29:48] <lmw> Why are you still providing kernel-package
in future versions then if I may ask?
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3137 [23:30:37] <jelly> lmw, those are not future versions, those
are development and testing branches. There's no promise of it
appearing in Debian 10.
3138 [23:30:37] <towo`> i do not providing kernel-package
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3141 [23:30:58] <lmw> jelly: Okay, possible future versions then.
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3143 [23:31:12] <jelly> it might possibly be fixed.
3144 [23:31:18] <jelly> :-)
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3147 [23:31:32] <lmw> The words .. :D
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3150 [23:31:59] <lmw> But thanks for answering my questions.
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3154 [23:33:17] <jelly> there's all sorts of buggy crap in
unstable and testing.
3155 [23:33:48] <lmw> "crap" ...
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3157 [23:34:17] <annadane> sort of depends on the package but yeah
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3160 [23:35:17] <jelly> yes, crap, after second or third time
getting broken header packages out of a tool, I reserve the right
not to call it "software"
3161 [23:35:26] <kale> lmw: make deb-pkg worked fine for me on
4.14
3162 [23:35:53] <lmw> jelly: You call unstable software crap? Wow!
3163 [23:35:55] <jelly> you can ellipsize all you want
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3166 [23:36:44] <jelly> lmw, I call some of the buggy packages in
unstable and testing crap, not all.
3167 [23:36:54] <kale> do i really need to write a systed init
script to get something done at boot?
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3169 [23:37:09] <annadane> what is that "something"
3170 [23:37:13] <annadane> you can probably use a cronjob
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3172 [23:37:28] <jelly> !rc.local
3173 [23:37:28] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local is a script called by
/etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be
run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at
boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local).
rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script
instead, ask me about <init.d>.
3174 [23:37:40] <annadane> oh, really? TIL
3175 [23:37:46] <lmw> I though rc.d died :D
3176 [23:37:51] <jelly> heh. "real init script"
3177 [23:38:02] <kale> jelly: it does not run rc.local
3178 [23:38:12] <jelly> kale, orly?
3179 [23:38:14] <kale> hey maybe i forgot my shebang
3180 [23:38:52] <jelly> kale, pastebin the output of "service
rc.local status"
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3182 [23:39:03] <jelly> or "systemctl status rc.local"
3183 [23:39:05] <jhutchins_wk> kale: full path?
3184 [23:39:11] <kale> jelly: cannot do that :-)
3185 [23:39:12] <lmw> Is it a script/program (whatever something
is) that needs to be run on startup and will never be touched again
while the system is on? Or do you plan to restart it sometimes or
so?
3186 [23:39:33] <jelly> kale, oh, then I cannot help further. Good
luck tho!
3187 [23:40:21] <kale> i am cloning a vm, mounting its root
partition, adding a script som somewhere, then when the vm boots it
updates and installs pacakges, removes rc.local and reboots. so
since it is not there, then i cannot show it.
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3189 [23:40:23] <lmw> If first is what you want then a cronjob
looks good.
3190 [23:40:51] <lmw> If not have fun using systemd/rc.local and
so on :)
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3192 [23:41:17] <dondelelcaro> kale: sounds almost likely
your'e looking for cloud-init
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3200 [23:44:42] <jelly> ,i cloud-init
3201 [23:44:44] <judd> Package cloud-init (admin, optional) in
stretch/amd64: initialization system for infrastructure cloud
instances. Version: 0.7.9-2; Size: 312.1k; Installed: 1381k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
3202 [23:45:06] <lmw> Isn't launchpad.net Ubuntu?
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3204 [23:45:28] <kale> dondelelcaro: looks interesting. i'll
just see if it was because i missed shebang
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3207 [23:45:58] <annadane> i believe it is
3208 [23:46:03] <annadane> sounds familiar
3209 [23:46:09] <jelly> lmw, it often is, but one may host
unrelated projects there as well
3210 [23:46:49] <jelly> debian does not discriminate based on web
page hosting of project upstream
3211 [23:46:49] <lmw> Ah ok
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3213 [23:47:02] <lmw> I didn't wanted to discrimnate
something or so
3214 [23:47:12] <peter_thaler> does there exist a nice framebuffer
(directfb, etc) program to monitor routers/firewalls?
3215 [23:47:41] <daedok> what i need to use 'git'
commands in startup shell script?
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3221 [23:48:40] <Lisa_> Hi, are AMD and / or ARM affected too?
Some say yes, some no.....
3222 [23:49:04] <kale> yep, it was a missing shebang, i'll
take a look at cloud-init though
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3224 [23:49:25] <lmw> Lisa_: Affected by what?
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3227 [23:49:49] <dondelelcaro> daedok: nothing besides git
installed. But what are you trying to do?
3228 [23:50:15] <Lisa_> lmw KPTI
3229 [23:50:33] <tw> If you specifically mean the speculative
cache hw bug, no.
3230 [23:51:18] <Lisa_> Yes, thank you
3231 [23:51:22] <tw> amd doesn't implement speculative
references. afaik, neither does arm.
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3234 [23:52:02] <Lisa_>
replaced-url
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3237 [23:52:42] <tabakhase> Lisa_ "unclear"... or
rather, not directly seems to be the case "AMD chips are
affected by some but not all of the vulnerabilities. AMD said that
there is a "near zero risk to AMD processors at this
time." British chipmaker ARM told news site Axios prior to this
report that some of its processors, including its Cortex-A chips,
are affected."
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3238 [23:52:43] <tabakhase>
every-intel-chip-since-1995-arm-processors-vulnerable/
3239 [23:52:51] <tabakhase> and thats wayy more text than expected
o.O
3240 [23:53:21] <daedok> dondelelcaro, I try to execute commit and
push script on start up. When i execute script directly - all ok.
But when i execute it via systemctl it eecute only not git part of
script
3241 [23:53:28] <Lisa_> Thank you! tabakhase
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3243 [23:53:32] <annadane> i expect approximately 958498674987948
questions about this in the next month
3244 [23:53:33] <jelly> I guess it's probably useless to try
stop people from discussing the suddenly popular patchset in here.
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3246 [23:54:22] <Lisa_> jelly sorry! I just want to be sure. There
a many false informations atm
3247 [23:54:35] <Lisa_> I trust this Channel
3248 [23:54:38] <lmw> Doesn't Intel has a "secuity
issue" every month? Intel IME, Secure Boot, and now this ...
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3250 [23:55:07] <annadane> possibly but if you want to discuss
intel in general you should probably go to #debian-offtopic
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3252 [23:55:24] <Lisa_> No, I do not want to.
3253 [23:55:39] <Lisa_> Is there a patch available for Debain?
3254 [23:55:41] <s7r> what/where is the CVE for latest intel cpu
hardware bug?
3255 [23:55:47] <lmw> Lisa_: no.
3256 [23:55:54] <lmw> Lisa_: Even not for Windows and Mac OS yet.
3257 [23:56:07] <Lisa_> Mac has one, afaik
3258 [23:56:10] <tabakhase> s7r listed
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3259 [23:56:41] <s7r> what is the performance regression on
debian? any preliminary results (stable)?
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3261 [23:57:22] <lmw> Some Phoronixcs site made some benchmarks
with and without the patch, I cannot find the site anymore. But with
the patch the disk I/O will be about 40% slower ...
3262 [23:57:54] <peter_thaler> any kind of program that patches
together PNGs of graphs of network/system status from various
sources and displays them on a framebuffer/embedded system display?
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3264 [23:58:24] <tabakhase> belive thats a "noone can
say" - affacted are syscalls/interupts... some of those first
superdrama30% thingys are somewhat flawed...
3265 [23:58:37] <s7r> lmw, seriously? 40% slower?
3266 [23:58:43] <lmw> iirc es
3267 [23:58:44] <lmw> *yes
3268 [23:58:53] <annadane> well, best of course to not
automatically believe everything the media says within the first few
hours of reporting on a technical issue
3269 [23:58:54] <s7r> that sucks
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3271 [23:59:06] <jelly> peter_thaler, if you divorce "patch
together images" from "display image on fb" you might
use two tools, imagemagick's convert and an image viewer like
fbi
3272 [23:59:31] <peter_thaler> jelly, I know, I could do it
myself. I'm just wondering if something like that exists
already.
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3275 [23:59:46] <annadane> and Lisa_, i was talking to lmw
3276 [23:59:55] <jelly> sounds rather specific to exist already
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