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11 [00:05:34] <julius_> TomTomTosch, dpkg-reconfigure locales
generates them after choosing. i will boot that system tomorrow and
see if it works. thanks
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14 [00:06:07] <awwal> Brigo, :P great! It works installing the
virtualbox-guest-additions-iso pkg directly in the guest :P
15 [00:06:27] <awwal> Thanks for the orientation :) I dont knew
that
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22 [00:07:51] <awwal> But installing the pkg directly in the
host is useful too, one makes it available for all the guests (no
need to install the pkg in every single guest)
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26 [00:08:36] <Brigo> awwal, right, i thint that's the
point :)
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38 [00:12:56] <awwal> gcc, dkms and make pkgs are required in
the guest for the guest-additions script to run correctly (it must
be copied from /dev/cdrom0 to ~/ before running the script)
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41 [00:14:19] <awwal> everyday more happy with Debian :P
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46 [00:17:22] <user14312> hallo
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48 [00:17:44] <user14312> can anyone help me with an issue
regarding bootloader?
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58 [00:22:46] <awwal> dpkg: tell user14312 about ask
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64 [00:24:21] <user14312> i have formated my pc and installed
debian on Luks via lvm
65 [00:24:44] <user14312> so my disk lool like dev/sd1 (boot
partition)
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69 [00:25:07] <user14312> /dev/sd2 (luks)
70 [00:25:20] <user14312> and a lvl fro /dev/sd2
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72 [00:26:44] <user14312> and then /dev/mapper/Fire-root:
TYPE="ext4"
73 [00:26:52] <user14312> e.t.c
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75 [00:27:52] <user14312> when i open my pc
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77 [00:28:12] <user14312> boot fails "no operation system
found"
78 [00:28:20] <user14312> and i got back a rescue grup terminal
79 [00:28:24] <user14312> how can i fix this?
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86 [00:32:09] <user14312> i ve configured /dev/sd1 to be
bootable and to mount to /boot also grub is intalled on that
partition
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89 [00:34:16] <user14312> what are my options now? should i try
some configuration at grub config file?
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92 [00:34:29] <user14312> if so what configuration and how can i
do it from a live cd? thanks
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118 [00:50:50] <jmcnaught> user14312: the debian installer has a
rescue mode that lets you reinstall grub
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120 [00:51:27] <jmcnaught> user14312: also in the future please
don't cross post
121 [00:52:13] <user14312> 1st thank u 2nd what is cross post?
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123 [00:53:12] <jmcnaught> user14312: it's when you ask the
same question on two channels at the same time. people who
aren't on both channels might not realize you're already
being helped and waste their time typing the same things
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131 [00:55:19] <user14312> okay sorry i didnt knew it
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133 [00:55:45] <jmcnaught> it's okay, now you know :)
134 [00:55:52] <user14312> but is reinstalling the bootlader
going to solve will solve my issue?
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137 [00:57:34] <jmcnaught> user14312: see you on OFTC
138 [00:57:48] <user14312> okay
139 [00:57:49] <user14312> cya
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231 [01:43:40] <Akuw> is there any application to translation ?
232 [01:43:48] <Akuw> language translation
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235 [01:44:46] <Akuw> but i looking for one that doesn't
need internet conection
236 [01:44:52] <Akuw> simple dictionary
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241 [01:46:56] <Arahael> Akuw: you mean, between natural
languages? no. it is an unsplved problem. and a simple dictionary
will not work.
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244 [01:47:22] <Akuw> yes, english-spanish, spanish-english
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250 [01:49:30] <Arahael> Akuw: people different. speak here.
speak there. understand not. transliterate. all understand yes?
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255 [01:51:24] <Arahael> Akuw: understand?
256 [01:51:34] <Akuw> no man
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258 [01:51:40] <Akuw> sudo apt-get install sdcv
259 [01:51:50] <Arahael> Akuw: and that is why transliteration
does not work.
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271 [01:54:26] <Arahael> Akuw: i must get to work - my bike, she
serves me well. <-- another example - how would that
transliterate?
272 [01:54:28] <cluelessperson> So I'm using debian
273 [01:54:37] <cluelessperson> and the network keeps defaulting
to route eth0
274 [01:54:41] <cluelessperson> which is DISABLED
275 [01:54:42] * Arahael really is heading off to work though.
276 [01:54:47] <cluelessperson> now, but was just disconnected
before
277 [01:54:57] <cluelessperson> how do I keep it from routing
through eth0?
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290 [02:00:12] <hektabyte> Guys, how come there's no
winetricks package for Debian? How do I include
replaced-url
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297 [02:02:31] <somiaj> ,v winetricks
298 [02:02:32] <judd> Package: winetricks on amd64 --
wheezy/contrib: 0.0+20121030+svn918-1; jessie/contrib:
0.0+20141009+svn1208-2; sid/contrib: 0.0+20160425-1;
stretch/contrib: 0.0+20160425-1
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301 [02:02:54] <somiaj> hektabyte: winetricks is part of conrtib
because you can use it to install nonfree software on your computer.
302 [02:03:02] <hektabyte> Ah! Just a moment!
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305 [02:04:50] <hektabyte> Thanks guys, I added deb
replaced-url
306 [02:05:20] <Devastator> somiaj sorry to bother but do you
know who handle the factoids?
307 [02:05:30] <somiaj> Devastator: in what way?
308 [02:05:56] <Devastator> somiaj I was going to suggest to
update fixgrub factoid
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314 [02:07:16] <somiaj> Devastator: I belive you can just do
this, how do you want to fix it? Do you just want to change some
small part or rewrite? I can do a few things but not don't know
the syntax off the top of my head.
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318 [02:08:17] <Arahael> Akuw: do you know why you couldn't
understand my question?
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321 [02:08:45] <Devastator> somiaj I think a rewrite is needed,
since the debian-installer has Rescue Mode and you can mount rootfs
and Reinstall Grub through curses screen, no need to chroot it
anymore
322 [02:08:48] <Akuw> man, i only need a dictionary
323 [02:08:50] <Akuw> just that
324 [02:09:31] <Arahael> Akuw: that wasn't what you asked
for though! anyway.
325 [02:09:37] <somiaj> Devastator: I woudln't take away
that info because that works from any live system, but maybe add a
new factoid about using the rescue mode and then link to that.
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327 [02:09:57] <Akuw> sorry
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329 [02:11:06] <Devastator> somiaj in my case, which you also
helped, I couldn't mount rootfs the way the instructions were
telling me
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331 [02:11:58] <somiaj> Devastator: what failed? do you not use a
ext4 file system?
332 [02:12:10] <Arahael> Akuw: maybe aptitude search spanish
dictionary will work. i don't know of a spanish-specific
dictionary.
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337 [02:12:56] <Devastator> somiaj it was probably ext3, the
instructions said ext2, but I was seeing: no such file or directory
error when trying to mount it..
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341 [02:15:05] <somiaj> Devastator: well I'm not the one who
is in charge of the bot, but if you had a specific suggestion to
improve it I would do so.
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343 [02:15:39] <somiaj> Devastator: I don't think rewriting
it is an improvement, but for its current state what do you think
should be there instead of /dev/whatever?
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351 [02:17:08] <Devastator> somiaj I think that's not really
the problem, I just don't think those instructions are quite
valid right now, but I can't check it again as I fixed the
other way
352 [02:17:08] <Akuw> Arahael: i found --> sdcv - console
version of StarDict program
353 [02:17:19] <Akuw> downloading dictionary file
354 [02:17:19] <Devastator> somiaj brb
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357 [02:17:43] <Arahael> Akuw: excellent.
358 [02:18:04] <Akuw> i love shell
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361 [02:19:31] <mekeor> hey. i'm using gnome (and gdm).
i'd like to try out kde plasma. can i just go for it and
install it using "apt-get install kde-standard"?
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367 [02:21:35] <somiaj> Devastator: the instructions should work
fine, they are just a bit tarse (as are most factoids)
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369 [02:22:19] <Arahael> *terse
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371 [02:23:19] <somiaj> Devastator: but thanks for the
suggestions. I do think another facotoid (that is mentioned in the
fixgrub) pointing to using the rescue mode is a good idea, I just
don't think we shoudl replace the one that says how to do it
from any live system
372 [02:24:25] <somiaj> Devastator: yea 'rescue' and
'rescue mode' already point to the documentation on how to
use it. Maybe we should point novice users at that facotid instead
of fixgrub
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377 [02:28:12] <Devastator> somiaj thank you for looking into it
:)
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418 [02:49:52] <kcirick> if I want to mv multiple files with the
same extension, and try to do mv *.jpg<tab>, it returns the
first matched file. I want it to show the matched files (double
<tab>). How can I enable this?
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430 [02:55:58] <kcirick> maybe has something to do with
bash-completion?
431 [02:55:58] <somiaj> kcirick: this may not be what you want,
but 'echo *jpg' will give you a list
432 [02:56:12] <somiaj> kcirick: you could look there, I'm
unsure how tab completion works with shell wildcards
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438 [02:57:26] <kcirick> somiaj: it's more when I want to
use mv to move several files at once... to make sure I'm moving
the right files, I used to be able to do double <tab> to show
me the selected files
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441 [02:57:48] <zykotick9> somiaj: neat trick, thanks!
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445 [02:58:45] <somiaj> kcirick: hence echo *jpg will list all
the files that get matched so you can check that
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453 [03:02:41] <kcirick> is there a way to disable tab completion
to the first match? if I do mv *<tab>, then the first file
comes up. If I don't want that file, then I have to delete the
file name and start over again
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457 [03:03:20] <somiaj> kcirick: you just want a list to see if
*jpg matches the files you want to move before you move them?
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459 [03:03:52] <somiaj> kcirick: note tabcompletion may not be
able to achive what you want, you could look into bash
tabcompletion, maybe join #bash for more on that.
460 [03:03:56] <kcirick> somiaj: ideally on the fly
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462 [03:04:42] <somiaj> kcirick: running echo *jpg first is quick
check that will work, otherwise you may get either help or more
details on how tab completion can work with wild cards in #bash
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464 [03:05:43] <kcirick> somiaj: I'll try #bash.. thanks,
I'll let you know if there is something
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475 [03:09:31] <ryan57> how would one get a list of priorities
and sections supported by the packaging system of...a system?
476 [03:09:56] <vvande> kcirick: I just did a bit of testing to
see what you were saying, and see that it seems to be a bash thing.
Tcsh doesn't work that way. Perhaps consider another shell.
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478 [03:11:41] <kcirick> vvande: Let me check...
479 [03:11:56] <vvande> ok :)
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483 [03:12:29] <kcirick> vvande: I've never used any other
shells than bash though
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489 [03:13:45] <vvande> it may not work for you. I run FreeBSD
for my desktop and it has many shell choices, the defailt is (t)csh.
But I run bask on my other computers which are Debian.
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491 [03:14:27] <kcirick> vvande: I checked on my other machine
that is not running debian, and the double tab works there, so it
must be the default setting in either bash or readline
492 [03:15:03] <vvande> kcirick: sounds reasonable. In testing
just now, I see what you're on about and it would certainly be
nice to change.
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509 [03:26:45] <duser> i install debian amd64, trying kernel
4.5.x and 4.6.x but my hdmi still no working.
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512 [03:27:07] <duser> first i ran xrandr which says hdmi
disconnected.
513 [03:27:23] <duser> then i check nonfree firmware but
it's the latest.
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515 [03:27:49] <duser> checking dmesg no error related to hdmi.
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517 [03:28:12] <duser> and updating to use 4.6.0 also not
working.
518 [03:28:34] <duser>
replaced-url
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548 [03:43:15] <orlock> I can't seem to find nis 3.17-34 for
Wheezy - am i blind, or is it not in backports?
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550 [03:44:21] <jmcnaught> ,v nis
551 [03:44:22] <judd> Package: nis on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.17-31;
wheezy: 3.17-32; jessie: 3.17-33; sid: 3.17-34; stretch: 3.17-34
552 [03:45:03] <orlock> sorry, jessie, not wheezy
553 [03:45:08] <orlock> same problem though
554 [03:45:10] <n_blownapart> hi my gnome desktop was missing
characters in the clock and elsewhere. I discovered to restart gnome
: 'ALT-F2 + r' temporarily solved it. Every few days I
restart. Does this indicate to anyone an obvious corrupted file in
particular? thanks
555 [03:45:52] <somiaj> orlock: what arch are you on?
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557 [03:46:11] <orlock> x86_64
558 [03:46:19] <jmcnaught> orlock: why do you think you need -34?
559 [03:46:36] <orlock> jmcnaught: because of the bug in -33 that
causes yppasswd to degfault
560 [03:46:51] <somiaj> orlock: you may have to backport it
yourself.
561 [03:46:54] <orlock> behaviour of crypt() changed
562 [03:47:05] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: in what ways does your
system deviate from stock jessie gnome?
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564 [03:47:42] <orlock> somiaj: yeah, which means spinning up a
vm with compilers, etc - which i dont have a problem doing, but
i'd rather ask if i'm just missing something
565 [03:47:48] <n_blownapart> it doesnt you mean, jmcnaught ?
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569 [03:49:45] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: i'm asking you to
tell us what you've changed from defaults, if anything. using
proprietary graphics drivers? installed some themes? anything like
that could be relevant
570 [03:50:50] <jmcnaught> orlock: i haven't read #721737
but are there any requests there for the fix to be backported to
stable?
571 [03:50:51] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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575 [03:52:28] <orlock> jmcnaught: Yes
576 [03:52:35] <orlock> "3.17-34 didn't make it into
jessie. Could you please upload a fixed
577 [03:52:36] <orlock> package to stable-proposed-updates or
maybe even security?"
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587 [03:56:30] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, thank you, I
haven't installed any themes. I'm fairly certain I
haven't installed any graphics drivers, though in one of my
clueless frenzies I might have on this machine. could you direct me
to directories where I can look and jog my memory?
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593 [03:57:28] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: looking at
/var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you which driver is in use
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597 [03:57:52] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: but this problem was
happening right from the first boot after installing?
598 [03:58:24] <n_blownapart> no I was busy for a year screwing
things up jmcnaught
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602 [03:58:49] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: i would check to see if
it happens for another user (create a test account)
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607 [04:01:21] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, ok thanks I did try that
but I didn't hang around in the user for long. any way to force
a scenario there?
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611 [04:02:37] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: have some patience? :)
figuring out if this problem is specific to your account will help
you isolate the problem to either per-user config or something
system wide
612 [04:03:01] <jmcnaught> maybe leave that user logged in while
you're out or something
613 [04:03:36] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, good call many thanks
will do
614 [04:04:35] <jmcnaught> if it also happens to the test
account, then you know it's a system-wide issue. if not, then
you can look at resetting some defaults in your own account
(possibly by moving stuff out of ~/.local and ~/.config)
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618 [04:06:12] <n_blownapart> ok thanks I'll work on it
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620 [04:06:59] <Zliba> i have three partitions... /boot, luks,
truecrypt, and 3gb unpartitioned space. How's the best way to
use that 3GB as encrypted Swap? should I put luks on it and
automount, or should I shift everything over and expand my second
partition?
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625 [04:09:45] <n_blownapart> jmcnaught, would you mind looking
at this? some stuff in .config I have no clue what it is :
replaced-url
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628 [04:12:49] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: some of those are
programs, like evolution or libreoffice. some of them are libraries,
like gtk. some are cross-desktop settings like user-dirs.dirs. You
might not make very much progress reading through them
629 [04:13:38] <jmcnaught> but if you determine that this problem
doesn't happen to your test account, you could consider moving
some or all of those do a temporary location, and then waiting to
see if the problem happens
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631 [04:14:04] <n_blownapart> Trolltech.conf ? tracker?
632 [04:14:21] <kcirick> So I found the work around with the
completion... I dont remember who was helping me with this like 30
minutes ago maybe?
633 [04:14:37] <jmcnaught> n_blownapart: trolltech is the company
that developed Qt, tracker is a search indexer used by GNOME
634 [04:15:06] <n_blownapart> ok thanks more drama later
jmcnaught
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641 [04:17:51] <kcirick> it turns out there is a problem with
bash_completion package not being able to do the "glob"
expansion correctly?
replaced-url
642 [04:18:08] <kcirick> so I uninstalled bash_completion and
double tab works as expected
643 [04:18:24] <kcirick> join #bash
644 [04:18:26] <kcirick> oops
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761 [05:38:32] <reverse_light> Hello, I have a problem. I use
'systemctl sleep' to sleep my PC, Debian. But it sometimes
doesn't come back.
762 [05:38:57] <reverse_light> What log file should I see? or
What command should I type to check log? thanks.
763 [05:39:42] <reverse_light> sorry, I use 'systemctl
suspend'.
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766 [05:40:08] <MasonHauk> Hi I have a question
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768 [05:40:47] <MasonHauk> Is anyone around that can help me sort
the idea of when I pass through my PCI stub I get a promt not a X
session in this tutorial
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769 [05:40:49] <MasonHauk> |session updated from the PCI pass
through so I can log back in and use virt-manager
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771 [05:41:09] <MasonHauk> or do I need two GPU's or use two
cables or something I dont know...
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773 [05:41:32] <prussian> you can try getting a tty from a serial
port :þ
774 [05:41:38] <prussian> or ssh......
775 [05:41:59] <prussian> if you want virt-manager you can
control it via ssh
776 [05:42:12] <MasonHauk> When I boot up it goes straight to a
command line
777 [05:42:16] <prussian> you can run virt manager on a remote
machine and it can interact with the remote via ssh
778 [05:42:17] <MasonHauk> log in etc
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780 [05:42:41] <prussian> so you get the good ol agetty'd
tty?
781 [05:42:58] <prussian> I'm confused
782 [05:43:03] <MasonHauk> I dont understand tty
783 [05:43:09] <MasonHauk> Alright let me explain
784 [05:43:12] <MasonHauk> Thanks so much
785 [05:43:24] <MasonHauk> Ive got the boot line working
786 [05:44:03] <MasonHauk> But I boot straight into a console log
in screen like X is not working and I have no KDE Plasma
787 [05:44:45] <MasonHauk> Im wondering where in the tutorial
does it come back around for me to set up the "re
mapping?" so I can use KDE againa nd run virt-manager
788 [05:44:49] <MasonHauk> I dont know
789 [05:44:56] <prussian> oh
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791 [05:45:04] <prussian> so when you try to get X going it
fails?
792 [05:45:12] <prussian> your DM isn't starting?
793 [05:45:21] <prussian> do you have an nvida gpu?
794 [05:45:52] <MasonHauk> no my X serv starts auto matically
when I add the options in the grub conf and then update my grub it
does not go to X
795 [05:45:58] <MasonHauk> let me show you
796 [05:46:22] <Zliba> where do i get the uuid of a device?
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800 [05:46:40] <MasonHauk>
#GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="pcie_acs_override=downstream
intel_iommu=on pci-stub.ids=1002:6811,1002:aab0
i915.enable_hd_vgaarb=1"
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802 [05:47:20] <prussian> so wait...
803 [05:47:26] <prussian> you're using KDE now?
804 [05:47:34] <MasonHauk> yes
805 [05:47:37] <MasonHauk> after I commited it
806 [05:47:38] <prussian> I'm pretty sure KDE has a DM
807 [05:47:50] <MasonHauk> and re started again
808 [05:47:54] <MasonHauk> without that in use
809 [05:48:02] <MasonHauk> but I want to use that and have KDE
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811 [05:48:06] <MasonHauk> on one start up
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814 [05:48:21] <prussian> are you using debian?
815 [05:48:23] <MasonHauk> I use SDDM
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819 [05:48:47] <MasonHauk> Im actully using Gentoo, no one can
even say a word about this in #gentoo or #funtoo.
820 [05:48:57] <prussian> ok, that's fine
821 [05:48:59] <prussian> uh
822 [05:49:01] <MasonHauk> :)
823 [05:49:04] <MasonHauk> thanks so much !
824 [05:49:10] <MasonHauk> so its possible?
825 [05:49:13] <prussian> ya
826 [05:49:21] <prussian> do you use systemd or......
827 [05:49:24] <prussian> openrc?
828 [05:49:24] <MasonHauk> Then Im in for the money
829 [05:49:28] <MasonHauk> openrc
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831 [05:49:55] <prussian> service sddm start
832 [05:49:58] <prussian> does that do anything?
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834 [05:50:05] <MasonHauk> You know I didnt try
835 [05:50:26] <MasonHauk> I figured it would have started up
either way
836 [05:50:35] <prussian> ya you might need to "enable
it"
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838 [05:50:50] <MasonHauk> if it didnt because I havnt set up
remapping or something like that after blacklisting
839 [05:51:12] <MasonHauk> hmmm
840 [05:52:07] <MasonHauk> So should I have all those or does one
not accept X pcie_acs_override=downstream intel_iommu=on
pci-stub.ids=1002:6811,1002:aab0 i915.enable_hd_vgaarb=1
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842 [05:52:31] <MasonHauk> How do I enable it or what should I
do?
843 [05:53:03] <prussian> did your dm start? wait
844 [05:53:17] <MasonHauk> no my dm did not start
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849 [05:54:53] <MasonHauk> thats what Im wondering how do I get
my DM to start with PCI Passthrough PCI stub black list
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853 [05:55:45] <prussian> well what does your Xorg logs say?
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857 [05:58:04] <MasonHauk> no screens found
858 [05:58:22] <MasonHauk> UnloadModule: "radeon"
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861 [06:00:12] <MasonHauk> I think I have to set X to follow the
edits of the GPU PCI stubs
862 [06:00:24] <MasonHauk> but the guide does not say anything
really about that
863 [06:00:32] <MasonHauk> Ive looked at a couple now
864 [06:01:46] <penrod> greetings, doing a fresh install of
"jessie" and after partitoning, I get the "failed to
mount partition #1 /" any ideas ?
865 [06:01:55] <orlock> MasonHauk: damn, flashback to the
90's dude.
866 [06:01:55] <jmcnaught> reverse_light: take a look in the
journal. if it's not resuming, you may want to enable
persistent journals (it shows how in
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian)
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868 [06:02:51] <jmcnaught> reverse_light: with persistent
journals you can use "journalctl --boot=-1" to see the
journal from the previous boot
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871 [06:05:19] <MasonHauk> orlock, who are you do I know you?
872 [06:05:31] <Zliba> hey can someone post their swap line from
fstab for me?
873 [06:05:43] <MasonHauk> lol I was like 9 on irc back then
874 [06:05:50] <MasonHauk> 26 now
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876 [06:06:09] <jmcnaught> Zliba: /dev/mapper/godwin--vg-swap
none swap sw 0 0
877 [06:06:23] <Zliba> thanks jmcnaught, perfect.
878 [06:07:24] <MasonHauk> prussia, any ideas?
879 [06:07:34] <MasonHauk> anyone have any ideas?
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888 [06:11:46] <jmcnaught> MasonHauk: I haven't ever tried
pci passthrough because i only ever seem to have laptops with vt-d,
but
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890 [06:13:23] <jmcnaught> MasonHauk: this page has libvirt XML
for pci passthrough among other things
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895 [06:17:06] <MasonHauk> hmm ok
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897 [06:17:20] <MasonHauk> ill see what I can find out and be
right back
898 [06:21:41] <prussian> MasonHauk: it sounds like you need the
Intel 2d drivers for X
899 [06:21:43] <prussian> Xorg
900 [06:21:49] <prussian> since it can't find any
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957 [07:07:38] <reverse_light> jmcnaught: Thank you.
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962 [07:09:23] <jmcnaught> reverse_light: no problem. i hope you
get to the bottom of it
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974 [07:15:47] <hesco> My network is broken and I'mm looking
for clues:
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975 [07:16:08] <hesco> I would appreciate any guidance folks
might share.
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1001 [07:31:28] <ByteStorm> jmcnaught can you provide me the
weblink where theres a list of all debian jessie i386 download
packages...including the torrent one
1002 [07:32:03] <jmcnaught> ByteStorm: do you mean where to get
.torrents for the installer ISOs?
1003 [07:32:06] <darxmurf> hi all
1004 [07:32:14] <ByteStorm>
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1006 [07:32:40] <ByteStorm> no i mean where i can find the torrent
file for jessie 8.5
1007 [07:32:47] <jmcnaught> ByteStorm:
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1008 [07:33:02] <ByteStorm> thnx
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1051 [08:02:11] <hiya> firefox-esr comes :D
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1081 [08:19:00] <beli3ver> morning
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1083 [08:19:33] <beli3ver> is there a repo for the Maya
(california) calendar
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1093 [08:26:08] <sascha> hey, I'm having a problem with
vnstat not updating any status
1094 [08:26:18] <sascha> i'm on debian testing
1095 [08:26:25] <sascha> vnstatd is running
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1097 [08:27:10] <sascha> the only option I disabled is bandwidth
checking
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1103 [08:30:15] <ByteStorm> guys im installing debian 8.4 in my
pals laptop
1104 [08:30:25] <ByteStorm> so my question is this
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1109 [08:30:54] <ByteStorm> if i install debian in a drive,say C:
drive,will it format any other drives bcoz
1110 [08:31:03] <ByteStorm> none of his stuff is backed up
1111 [08:31:23] <ByteStorm> and i dont wanna break his system
1112 [08:31:26] <ByteStorm> ???
1113 [08:32:39] <zykotick9> "none of his stuff is backed
up" <- stop! do not pass go. back up first!
1114 [08:33:05] <ByteStorm> so it will format his whole drive???
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1119 [08:33:42] <sascha> ByteStorm: if you have to ask, whether it
does, it will probably do, yeah
1120 [08:33:51] <jmcnaught> ByteStorm: you can manually choose
what to format and what not to, but it's easy to make mistakes
and you should always have a backup
1121 [08:34:07] <ByteStorm> yeah i thought tht too
1122 [08:34:18] <ByteStorm> so i asked you guys
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1126 [08:36:27] <ByteStorm> ok im taking a backup
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1155 [08:48:16] <Arahael> personally, if this is a shop and
you're working for a customer, i'd be tempted to backup
even if the customer didn't pay for it.
1156 [08:48:36] <Arahael> do your thing. confirm it works. delete
the backup after a few days.
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1163 [08:52:24] <Stummi> ByteStorm, the DI won't touch other
drives as long you don't something wrong (and tell it to format
these drives). But according your question I would says theres some
chance of you doing something wrong
1164 [08:52:40] <Stummi> *you don't do
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1166 [08:52:57] <ByteStorm> ok lol
1167 [08:52:59] <nkuttler> you're always doing something
wrong if there are no backups
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1170 [08:54:30] <Stummi> sort of, but this hasn't to do
anything with the process of installing a new OS
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1174 [08:56:41] <bstotch> hi - i'm having issues with
bumblebee that apparently are solved with 3.19. can anyone please
tell me how to upgrade?
1175 [08:56:57] <jmcnaught> when you're installing an OS part
of the process involves using a tool that can easily delete
everything on a drive. mistakes happen, and if you have backups you
can recover from them
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1177 [08:57:57] <jmcnaught> bstotch: do you mean linux 3.19 or
bumblebee 3.19?
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1179 [08:58:38] <bstotch> jmcnaught: from the bug reports
i've read, linux 3.19+
1180 [08:58:53] <bstotch> jmcnaught: although I imagine a more
recent bumblebee would probably help too :)
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1182 [08:59:37] <jmcnaught> !tell bstotch about bdo
1183 [08:59:42] <jmcnaught> !tell bstotch about bdo kernel
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1185 [09:00:25] <jmcnaught> bstotch: see the messages from dpkg,
and the instructions link in the first message for details
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1190 [09:02:03] <bstotch> jmcnaught: thanks! I already have
backports; just afraid of jumping from linux-3.16 and getting a
whole new mess
1191 [09:02:12] <bstotch> jmcnaught: *to 4.5
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1196 [09:03:07] <jmcnaught> bstotch: well i prefer to use the
stock kernel unless i have a good reason to use backports
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1198 [09:03:24] <jmcnaught> when you install the kernel from
backports the 3.16 stock kernel will still be there as a boot option
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1200 [09:04:16] <bstotch> jmcnaught: so that should still work if
i install 4.5?
1201 [09:05:04] <jmcnaught> yes, if you run into problems with the
newer kernel you can boot back into the old one and remove it
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1203 [09:05:42] <bstotch> jmcnaught: how can I check backports for
a newer bumblebee
1204 [09:07:56] <bstotch> jmcnaught: nevermind; figured it out.
Thanks for the help, will try upgrading bumblebee first, and then
the kernel if needed
1205 [09:08:32] <jmcnaught> bstotch: check for available versions
of a package with "apt-cache policy <package>" (or
aptitude versions)
1206 [09:08:48] <jmcnaught> ,v bumblebee
1207 [09:08:49] <judd> Package: bumblebee on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.2.1-7;
jessie-backports: 3.2.1-10~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.2.1-12; sid: 3.2.1-13
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1224 [09:17:27] <veek> when's sid becoming stable
1225 [09:17:37] <veek> 8.5 is out
1226 [09:18:01] <towo^work> sid never becoming stable
1227 [09:18:07] <towo^work> sid is ever unstable
1228 [09:18:13] <veek> err rather stretch
1229 [09:18:27] <towo^work> stretch will be released when
it's done
1230 [09:18:41] <towo^work> as allways in debian
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1234 [09:21:44] <jelly> !stretch freeze
1235 [09:21:44] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017;
no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a
period of intense bug fixing. See
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1237 [09:23:15] <veek> jelly, anyway to get an idea of the number
of pkgs frozen
1238 [09:23:34] <jelly> "all of them"
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1240 [09:24:41] <dionysus69> how can I make gnome terminal support
georgian script? something like this გამარჯობა მე ვარ ქართული ტექსტი
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1242 [09:24:50] <dionysus69> it shows up distorted
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1245 [09:25:30] <inch> I tried to copy/paste that into
gnome-terminal and it shows just fine.
1246 [09:25:37] <veek> jelly, so they freeze on a particular
date-range? When the "testing" distribution is mature
enough, the release manager starts `freezing' it Once that bug
count lowers to maximum acceptable values, the frozen
"testing" distribution is declared "stable" and
released with a version number.
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1248 [09:26:29] <inch> dionysus69: Make sure you are using an
utf-8 locale and have enough fonts installed.
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1250 [09:26:45] <veek> jelly, looks like they maintain a bug
count.. and as that tapers the pkg drops from unstable to testing..
so.. i should be able to look at.. the pkgs not yet in testing?
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1253 [09:26:58] <dionysus69> inch: I am using utf-8 locale.
default system font for georgian is sylfaen, how do I install that?
1254 [09:27:17] <dionysus69> I assume I need a monospace version
of it for terminal correct?
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1256 [09:27:50] <jelly> veek: I'm not sure what your goal is?
1257 [09:28:18] <veek> jelly, well i use shutter a lot and one of
the plugins doesn't work 'imgur'
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1259 [09:28:36] <veek> so i was wondering how long it'd take
to get an upgrade..
1260 [09:28:55] <jelly> noone can say for sure, maybe a year,
maybe not
1261 [09:28:56] <veek>
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1262 [09:29:03] <jelly> !rc bugs
1263 [09:29:03] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with
critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release
of Debian. See the graph at
replaced-url
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1265 [09:29:43] <inch> dionysus69: I'm not sure which font
package you need. I have about 30-40 font packages installed and
none of them says sylfaen and the text still shows correctly.
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1271 [09:30:55] <jelly> veek: you have "standard installation
only" selected
1272 [09:30:56] <dionysus69> inch:
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1273 [09:31:03] <dionysus69> how do I know if that font is default
system font?
1274 [09:31:19] <dionysus69> I am not sure if sylfaen is even
right font for linux systems, it is for windows though
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1277 [09:32:32] <jelly> veek: er, "packages in standard
installation". So that limits the resulting view of bugs.
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1284 [09:36:26] <inch> dionysus69: I don't think there is
concept of "a default system font" in linux distros.
1285 [09:36:37] <veek> jelly thanks got it.. 'tagged
patch' tagged pendinf etc
1286 [09:36:57] <inch> gnome-terminal has it's own place to
choose a font, xterm somewhere else, etc.
1287 [09:37:25] <dionysus69> whatever the gnome shell is using
when I set alt-shift changeable languages
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1291 [09:39:10] <jmcnaught> dionysus69: in gnome-terminal if you
go to the terminal menu, what is selected under "set character
encoding"?
1292 [09:40:05] <dionysus69> jmcnaught: unicode (utf-8)
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1311 [09:50:25] <FinalX> hm, can I apt-get install a package
forcibly with "broken" dependencies? it's in a
container so I don't give a damn if I screw the package listing
(actual things it depends on are installed, but package is now
called differently, so dependency fails)
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1314 [09:50:53] <FinalX> just trying to get it to work for a
presentation later, then I can toss the container again.. :)
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1321 [09:54:02] <vlt> Hello. For 10 years now we were using Ubuntu
and LTSP server. A few weeks ago – I think after another
firefox update – users began to complain about the whole
system being unbearably slow. Scrolling became a nightmare.
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1323 [09:54:07] <vlt> Then last week I switched the first users to
a fresh Debian 8 install.
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1325 [09:54:13] <vlt> Happiness all around! It was incredibly
fast.
1326 [09:54:23] <vlt> But after only a few days I ran updates last
weekend and something happened to the iceweasel packages:
There’s now firefox and we experience the same slowness as on
the Ubuntu systems.
1327 [09:54:28] <vlt> Any idea what’s going on here?
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1337 [10:01:13] <jmcnaught> vlt: you're using firefox-esr?
does the same problem happen if you start firefox in safe-mode?
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1339 [10:02:02] <luffy_> hi
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1341 [10:02:48] <vlt> jmcnaught: I was using iceweasel. There was
no firefox last week when I installed it. Then with the updates last
weekend there were firefox-esr packages installed. The binary that
is running now is /usr/bin/iceweasel, though.
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1343 [10:03:20] <vlt> jmcnaught: I don’t know waht safe-mode
is.
1344 [10:04:02] <jmcnaught> vlt: /usr/bin/iceweasel should now be
a symlink to firefox-esr unless you have something weird going on
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1347 [10:04:36] <jmcnaught> vlt: to start firefox in safe mode,
either go to "about:support" and use the button, or from a
terminal run "firefox-esr -safe-mode"
1348 [10:04:56] <vlt> jmcnaught: Yes, it’s a symlink to
../lib/firefox-esr/...
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1353 [10:07:53] <dinux> Never did understand why they forked
firefox in the first place
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1358 [10:08:10] <jmcnaught> dinux: there's a wikipedia
article about it
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1360 [10:08:29] <dinux> I bet, still ...
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1362 [10:09:41] <dinux> I do know _why_ the they did it, iceweasel
never was a great idea
1363 [10:10:19] <jmcnaught> the wikipedia article talks about
reasons why
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1366 [10:10:38] <jmcnaught> the truth is out there...
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1369 [10:11:42] <dinux> lol :), reasons or not. Firefox is back
again
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1373 [10:14:58] <vlt> So is the unbearable slowness.
1374 [10:15:06] <vlt> iceweasel was fassssst.
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1376 [10:15:23] <jmcnaught> vlt: no difference in safe mode?
1377 [10:15:34] <vlt> jmcnaught: Haven’t tried yet.
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1387 [10:19:12] <Sar_s> hi
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1389 [10:21:39] <Sar_s> I'm trying to compile a package but
It fail when I use "make install". I've seen that one
of the source files has a reference to the ${PROJECT_SOURCE_DIR}
variable but this variable is not define. is it supposed that I have
to define this variable manually ? or the cmake should do it ?
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1408 [10:28:19] <ChrisH> yes / yes
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1411 [10:30:35] <Sar_s> ChrisH: is that yes for me ?
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1417 [10:33:49] <ChrisH> Sar_s: yes. both of them as you asked two
questions... but use aptitude search XXX on debian.
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1438 [10:46:37] <Sar_s> ChrisH: thanks, it seems its a problem
with the cmake version
1439 [10:47:05] <Sar_s> it doesn't define the
PROJECT_SOURCE_DIR variable
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1443 [10:50:03] <vlt> I just downgraded: `apt install
iceweasel=38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1` and the browser is fast again. l10n is
still missing. apt complains "E: Version
'38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1' for 'iceweasel-l10n-de' was
not found". Where to get the correct version string for that
pkg?
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1446 [10:52:12] <dagerik> what is a good way to securely host
multiple websites on same machine? I want to prevent compromise of
all incase of compromise in one service
1447 [10:53:09] <Wulf> dagerik: virtualization of some kind
1448 [10:53:40] <FinalX> run all executable content of a user as
their own user, at least
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1451 [10:54:28] <vlt> How can I find the previous version string
for the iceweasel-l10n-de pkg?
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1453 [10:54:51] <Wulf> vlt: "previous"?
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1456 [10:55:04] <Wulf> oh, before downgrade
1457 [10:55:34] <vlt> Wulf: I downgraded iceweasel to the last
known working version (from last week) but l10n is still missing.
1458 [10:56:10] <Wulf> vlt: are you actually looking for a
package?
1459 [10:56:19] <Wulf> vlt: I'm not sure why you'd want
a "string"
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1463 [10:57:05] <vlt> Wulf: I ran `apt install
iceweasel=38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1` and now the browser is fast again. But
apt complains "E: Version '38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1' for
'iceweasel-l10n-de' was not found" after the same
command just for the l10n pkg.
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1465 [10:57:59] <vlt> What apt command do I need to run to set
iceweasel-l10n-de to the corresponding version of the iceweasel pkg
itself?
1466 [10:58:28] <vlt> The one that worked just fine til the
updates last weekend.
1467 [10:59:46] <Wulf> vlt: compare
replaced-url
1468 [10:59:52] <Wulf> vlt: I'd say those packages are gone
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1472 [11:00:25] <Wulf> vlt: do you really need the same version?
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1474 [11:00:49] <vlt> Wulf: I need l10n to work.
1475 [11:01:13] <Wulf> vlt: yeah, but same version?
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1477 [11:02:13] <vlt> Wulf: I’m installing it via dpkg -i
from /var/cache/apt/archives/ now. Damn it.
1478 [11:02:18] <Wulf> vlt:
replaced-url
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1488 [11:09:04] <dagerik> I have created a new pool
/etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/support.conf which creates
/var/run/php5-fpm-support.sock. im using a separate user support for
this. Nginx is unable to read the socket: connect() to
unix:/var/run/php5-fpm-support.sock failed (13: Permission denied)
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1522 [11:24:34] <FinalX> dagerik: you should check the
permissions, nginx must be able to write to the socket, so it
probably should be added to the group of the user, and then give the
group write permissions (or use a seperate group that contains both
for just the socket)
1523 [11:25:22] <FinalX> I just chgrp the sockets to the default
nginx group really
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1525 [11:25:38] <FinalX> there's no real added risk, as code
is never execute as the nginx user
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1527 [11:26:13] <FinalX> (you can give different owner/group/mode
to the socket, than the fpm processes are running as!)
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1530 [11:26:52] <dagerik> FinalX: thanks. the socket owner should
be
replaced-url
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1532 [11:26:56] <dagerik> so nginx can read it
1533 [11:27:07] <FinalX> yeah, or nginx if you use
nginx.org's own packages
1534 [11:27:30] <FinalX> socket owner could even be that, as long
as you run fpm as its own, different, user
1535 [11:27:38] <dagerik> new problem: my folder /var/replaced-url
1536 [11:27:53] <dagerik> [crit] 15584#0: *1 stat() "/var/replaced-url
1537 [11:28:05] <FinalX> same problem;
replaced-url
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1539 [11:28:21] <FinalX> you could chgrp -R
replaced-url
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1542 [11:28:47] <FinalX> I prefer the latter, even though
it's more work, because new files will be owned by user
support's default group when user support creates them
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1545 [11:29:03] <FinalX> (probably also support, if you just did
useradd support)
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1547 [11:29:19] <dagerik> FinalX: but my intention is to separate
websites so they dont all is compromised if one is
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1549 [11:29:49] <FinalX> well, static html/javascript/css
won't execute code on the server side. nginx will have to, one
way or another, read the files.
1550 [11:30:08] <FinalX> PHP files will be read and executed by
the FPM daemon, which runs as a seperate user, and won't be
able to access the other user's files
1551 [11:30:21] <dagerik> im getting the same error on foo.php
1552 [11:30:24] <FinalX> nginx doesn't execute any scripts,
CGI, PHP or otherwise
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1557 [11:30:50] <dagerik> crit] 15584#0: *33 stat() "/var/replaced-url
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1559 [11:31:19] <FinalX> btw, I made a little how-to about nginx,
PHP-FPM etc a while back for friends, maybe it helps, too:
replaced-url
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1561 [11:32:16] <bazhang> #nginx FinalX
1562 [11:32:19] <FinalX> don't forget that you have to stop
and start all processes using the user you just modified in order
for new groups etc to take effect
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1564 [11:32:49] <FinalX> bazhang: he's having more than one
issue, not just nginx, and as far as i can tell, there's not a
single other soul talking
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1566 [11:32:58] <FinalX> it's basically file permission
issues :p
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1568 [11:33:14] <bazhang> FinalX, man hier
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1572 [11:34:18] <FinalX> heh, don't be a bitter old sod,
there's way too many people already being that instead of
actually giving a damn
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1574 [11:34:53] <bazhang> thats very informative vis a vis
permissions
1575 [11:35:06] <FinalX> dagerik: feel free to pm/query me
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1579 [11:35:41] <FinalX> seems people prefer their scripted
answers and "piss off to $x" more than actually helping
people
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1584 [11:36:45] <k_sze> If I want to apt-get install
postgresql-9.4, but I don't want it to automatically create a
cluster, what should I do?
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1602 [11:44:17] <Includes08> i'm having some trouble with
postfix and imap.
1603 [11:44:25] <Includes08> i'm not receiving or being able
to send mails.
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1605 [11:44:40] <RoyK> k_sze: from the manual - Before you can do
anything, you must initialize a database storage area on disk. We
call this a database cluster
1606 [11:44:42] <Includes08> and i haven't got errors unless
i'm looking in the wrong place.
1607 [11:44:45] <RoyK> k_sze:
replaced-url
1608 [11:45:07] <RoyK> Includes08: what sort of imap server?
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1610 [11:45:30] <Includes08> well RoyK i'm running ispconfig
1611 [11:45:58] <RoyK> no idea, then
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1614 [11:47:56] <RoyK> Includes08: Looks like they have their own
IRC channel
replaced-url
1615 [11:48:15] <Includes08> quakenet brrrr
1616 [11:48:21] <RoyK> not my fault :)
1617 [11:48:21] <Includes08> well thanks anyway :p
1618 [11:48:24] <Includes08> i knoq
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1623 [11:49:54] <Includes08> its pretty empty there xD
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1626 [11:51:18] <RoyK> probably because they have fragmented the
support across all possible social networks :P
1627 [11:51:28] <Includes08> true
1628 [11:51:30] <Includes08> but still
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1630 [11:52:00] <k_sze> RoyK: I know. But I *don't* want the
cluster to be automatically created.
1631 [11:52:15] <k_sze> RoyK: I'd rather create it manually
using pg_createcluster afterwards.
1632 [11:52:36] <RoyK> can't you just remove the it?
1633 [11:53:18] <RoyK> Includes08: looks like there's good
activity on the forum
replaced-url
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1635 [11:53:37] <Includes08> i know already tried but goesto slow
:(
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1637 [11:53:55] <RoyK> Includes08: I'd recommend configuring
things manually - that way, you may even learn something :)
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1639 [11:54:20] <Includes08> manually its easy to do :P give me a
centos system and ill set up anything you want
1640 [11:54:26] <Includes08> but debian is to new for me ;x
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1657 [12:02:39] <bdeferme> hi!
1658 [12:02:49] <Iridos> hm, I have a 2TB disk with a lot of bad
sectors that I still want to use for temporary space... what's
the best way to go about that? mkfs.ext4 -c /dev/xx will apparently
take 17 days(?)
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1666 [12:09:14] <Iridos> Includes08, well, debug it... send a mail
by connecting directly to port 25, see what the server says... then
search for the content of your newly sent mail in your spooler dirs,
then try to figure out if imap passes it on in its logs
1667 [12:09:44] <RoyK> Includes08: it's not that different -
really
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1670 [12:10:22] <Includes08> question tho
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1672 [12:10:30] <Includes08> do you guys think fail2ban could be a
problem
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1674 [12:10:45] <RoyK> if your users forget their password every
day, yes
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1676 [12:11:13] <RoyK> I have a couple of users who's had
such issues :)
1677 [12:11:23] <Iridos> it... "could be a problem"
1678 [12:11:36] <Iridos> but it writes log entries and it's
easy enough to see the current firewall config
1679 [12:11:42] <Includes08> but i'm root ^^'
1680 [12:11:57] <Includes08> i'm looking at the logs now tho
it looks pretty good
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1690 [12:15:35] <Includes08> what is UID and GID?
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1693 [12:16:09] <Includes08> normally thats just userid en groupid
right?
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1696 [12:17:23] <Iridos> it is
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1698 [12:17:49] <Includes08> Invalid UID value '-1'
dovecot gives this error 0-o
1699 [12:17:56] <Includes08> no clue what to do with it
1700 [12:17:57] <Includes08> never seen ti
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1707 [12:22:41] <Includes08> (mail transport unavailable) does any
of you know how to solve this?
1708 [12:23:07] <Wulf> Includes08: sounds like a call to getuid()
failed with an error?
1709 [12:23:27] <Wulf> although manpage states "These
functions are always successful"
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1711 [12:24:06] <Includes08> Yeh i'm pretty stuck not knowing
what to do cause my mail que is full
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1713 [12:24:14] <Includes08> 24 requests
1714 [12:24:38] <ChrisH> Iridos: If those bad sectors are
clustered, you might can partition around the bad parts and put the
partitions into one VG
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1721 [12:26:56] <Iridos> hm, but to see that, I still have to
diagnose it (again)
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1723 [12:27:27] <ChrisH> Iridos: yep. badblocks?
1724 [12:27:31] <z4t> hi , some one konows the french debian room
name s
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1728 [12:28:14] <Iridos> badblocks is what mkfs.ext4 runs... and
what e2fsck runs... which says 0.02% done, 7:52 elapsed.
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1730 [12:28:48] <z4t> un elephant cela trope enormement
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1734 [12:29:39] <Iridos> well... guess if I want to use that for
temporary stuff, it's not before 2 weeks from now
1735 [12:30:06] <Iridos> 0.02% done, 9:42 elapsed. (175/0/0
errors)
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1737 [12:30:50] <Iridos> or a month
1738 [12:31:19] <Iridos> I wondered if there are mount options
that would make it check on writing
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1751 [12:43:12] <Includes08> does someone dare to take a try and
help me fix it :(
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1781 [13:00:15] <dagerik> when I run a separate phpfpm5 pool with
user support, how should permissions be on /var/replaced-url
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1787 [13:01:38] <Wulf> dagerik: use virtualization instead of fpm
pools
1788 [13:01:44] <Wulf> dagerik: if you care about security
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1793 [13:02:41] <dagerik> Wulf: i dont care that much about
security
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1807 [13:04:42] <Wulf> dagerik: every web site usually needs two
users. One which has write permissions on everything, and one which
executes php
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1812 [13:04:59] <Wulf> dagerik: and then there's the user
which the webserver runs as. So 3 users in total
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1814 [13:05:12] <Wulf> dagerik: webserver needs read access to
static web pages, images, etc
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1818 [13:05:29] <Wulf> dagerik: php user needs read access to
everything and write access to e.g. a var directory
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1821 [13:05:59] <Wulf> dagerik: and if any of your scripts use
/tmp, make sure to do it in a secure way
1822 [13:06:00] <dagerik> Wulf: nginx user is
replaced-url
1823 [13:06:11] <Wulf> NO!
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1825 [13:06:53] <nkuttler> your httpd should never be able to
rewrite your app..
1826 [13:07:14] <Wulf> neither should the php process
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1828 [13:07:34] <dagerik> does the nginx user needs to be able to
read php files?
1829 [13:07:39] <Wulf> dagerik: no
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1833 [13:10:01] <dagerik> I cant seem to find anything on google
on how to properly set file permissions with nginx phpfpm
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1841 [13:13:09] <ebye> dagerik: if it's just a test
app/server, who cares, if it's something critical, obviously
you should not be the one doing this
1842 [13:13:23] <ebye> dagerik: second, you obviously do not know
how to google
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1859 [13:20:34] <dinux> User permissions i *the* most important
aspect for a *nix system manager
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1942 [13:58:35] <MaBunny> hey
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1963 [14:07:38] <MaBunny> hey guys
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1965 [14:07:55] <ByteStorm> how do i remove a directory???
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1967 [14:08:17] <ByteStorm> i mean i hav permission to access it
1968 [14:08:38] <ByteStorm> but how to remove....which command is
used to remove/delete a directory???
1969 [14:08:42] <inch> rmdir
1970 [14:08:51] <ebye> rm -r
1971 [14:08:56] <ByteStorm> ok thnx
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1975 [14:10:03] <ByteStorm> ok its done
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1983 [14:12:42] <ByteStorm> is there any folder called lost+found
associated with ext4 filesystem???
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1986 [14:13:21] <babilen> There is
1987 [14:13:52] <ByteStorm> cool thn
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2009 [14:23:11] <Dan39> guys, jigdo sucks. maybe software should
be mature before using it for something like this. :| what a PITA
trying to start a download with jigdo was between the gui telling me
it's still in development and doesnt support .jigdo files and
the mirrors not working.. :\
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2033 [14:35:00] <ByteStorm> hey guys im installing debian on my
friends computer
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2035 [14:35:27] <Wulf> ByteStorm: does (s)he know?
2036 [14:35:46] <ByteStorm> yeah
2037 [14:36:06] <ByteStorm> so i dont hav net on in his system
2038 [14:36:24] <ByteStorm> im going to install the base system
only
2039 [14:36:58] <ByteStorm> is there a way to install a GUI system
(most probabaly Gnome) on his system from the terminal??
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2041 [14:37:13] <darxmurf> is there there a serious thing to
replace GIMP ? this software is really a joke Oo
2042 [14:37:42] <_aeris_> ByteStorm > no problem, just use
apt/apt-get to install packages from term
2043 [14:38:04] <ByteStorm> ok whats the Gnome gui's name?? i
mean package name??
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2047 [14:38:57] <Wulf> darxmurf: inkscape?
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2049 [14:39:21] <ByteStorm> inkscape is a vector graphics system
2050 [14:39:37] <Stummi> ByteStorm, gnome-desktop, iirc
2051 [14:40:10] <Stummi> darxmurf, depends on the requirements you
have towards a graphic application
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2054 [14:41:33] <themill> darxmurf: a lot people use gimp for a
lot of serious work. Asking your question that way is not going to
get useful answers. Perhaps ask your real question? Or actually
state the particular feature you miss?
2055 [14:42:00] <ByteStorm> thnx Stummi
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2057 [14:42:49] <Stummi> themill, well, I don't think the
problem with GIMP is *missing* features ;)
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2062 [14:43:40] <Stummi> to be fair, the UX of gimp is kinda bad,
especially for beginners
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2064 [14:43:54] <themill> every powerful program in existence is
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2068 [14:45:10] <Stummi> themill, I am not a graphics guy, but
from what I hear from other people, Adobe Photoshop seems to have
done a good work on putting a lot of features into an actual
user-friendly UI. So its not a impossible task at least
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2070 [14:45:22] <dinux> I've heard stories from people
working with Autodesk Maya, can take yars be
2071 [14:45:54] <themill> Stummi: that's the experience of
people who have learnt to use it over years, not people who are
looking at a graphics program for the first time
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2073 [14:46:21] <_aeris_> ByteStorm > gnome package is gnome :D
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2075 [14:46:51] <ByteStorm> ok
2076 [14:46:56] <ByteStorm> will try both
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2081 [14:47:42] <_aeris_> themill & ByteStorm > there is no
gnome-desktop package
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2083 [14:48:04] <ByteStorm> ok
2084 [14:48:06] <darxmurf> themill: well, the problem is that I
have been using photoshop on windows for the last 10 years... at
work I'm running everything under linux and when I need to edit
something with gimp I feel like using a playskool tool :x
2085 [14:48:07] <ByteStorm> just gnome
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2087 [14:48:08] <_aeris_> i have a question, but don’t know
if i’m in the good chan
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2089 [14:48:18] <darxmurf> Will do what I need at home with
photoshop then :D
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2091 [14:48:28] <naptastic> I have memtest86+ installed on two
Debian Sid systems. When I select memtest86+ (or the experimental
multiboot) from the GRUB menu, the menu clears (so it's showing
the splash screen) but nothing else happens.
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2093 [14:48:30] <_aeris_> i try to build custom image for pine and
raspi (and eventually virtualbox and olimex)
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2095 [14:48:37] <naptastic> Am I doing something wrong, or is
something broken?
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2098 [14:49:10] <_aeris_> i use debootstrap to create a minimal
rootfs system, then i need to run inside this rootfs some script to
finish configuration
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2100 [14:49:25] <_aeris_> with simple script, no problem, chroot
or systemd-spawn works
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2102 [14:49:52] <_aeris_> but for complex scripts, calling
service/systemctl, failure or no reproductible
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2104 [14:50:23] <_aeris_> is there a clean way to run such script
?
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2109 [14:51:20] <_aeris_> after some debug, seems most of my
trouble come from systemd, no way to start service cleanly from a
simple chroot
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2117 [14:54:41] <greycat> OK, this "stable" firefox-esr
package in jessie has decided, at this moment, that it will not let
me click TABS that are already open in precisely ONE of my windows.
They work fine in the other windows. I can right-click a tab to MOVE
it to a new window of its own, but now I can't move it BACK to
the original window.
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2119 [14:55:57] <greycat> I can click the < and > signs next
to the tabs to scroll the bar-full-of-tabs back and forth, so I can
see what the should be, but I cannot select any of them for viewing,
except by moving it to a new window, as previously mantioned. The +
to open a new tab in that window also fails. But I can open new tabs
in OTHER windows.
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2129 [14:58:30] <none_> hello
2130 [14:59:11] <none_> someone know how to send data (keycode)
directly to the /dev/input/event0 (keyboard)
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2132 [14:59:34] <none_> I have a usb pcap from a keyboard
2133 [14:59:48] <none_> And I want to replay
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2135 [15:00:27] <greycat> *sigh* fuck it, just restart firefox yet
again, because they'd rather crank up the version number higher
and higher than actually fix bugs
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2137 [15:01:07] <greycat> I could swear I've seen this exact
problem in the past, too, but damned if I can figure out what magic
words to type into google to find reports of it, if there are any.
2138 [15:01:25] <dinux> none_, I suggest a C program which writes
to event0
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2140 [15:01:46] <none_> no simple bash option ?
2141 [15:02:01] <greycat> Yes, after restarting Firefox, I can
click on tabs in BOTH windows instead of just one window.
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2143 [15:02:29] <dinux> none_, don't think bash is capable of
generating virtual keycodes
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2147 [15:03:11] <none_> like echo -ne
"\x00\x00\x00\x38\x00\x00\x00\x00" > /dev/pts/0
2148 [15:03:19] <none_> but fait on event0
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2150 [15:04:04] <none_> pts take regular ascii but I want to
replay keycode (not ascii)
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2155 [15:05:19] <dinux> keycodes are usually translated, bash
can't do that afaik
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2157 [15:05:45] <greycat> The question isn't whether
"bash" can do something, but whether any program AT ALL
can do it.
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2161 [15:06:39] <greycat> If you can do it in C *WITHOUT* calling
ioctl() -- just by writing to a device file -- then you can do it
bash too.
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2165 [15:08:00] <greycat> I know nothing about working at the raw
kernel/keyboard or at the X11 level, but if you're trying to
simulate terminal input (NOT just fake it by writing OUTPUT to a
terminal), you need to do it in C and call a TIOCSTI ioctl()
function at some point. Can't just write to a device file.
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2169 [15:08:44] <none_> okey thanks
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2172 [15:09:26] <greycat> (And most people wouldn't bother
learning about TIOCSTI just for faking terminal input. They'd
simply learn screen or tmux instead, and use the screen/tmux
commands to send fake input to the pseudoterminal.)
2173 [15:09:27] <dinux> greycat, I suspect you'll need
specific kbd functions like loadkeys etc.
2174 [15:09:45] <dinux> Can't do all of that in bash (not
100% sure)
2175 [15:09:51] <greycat> It would help if we knew what he's
actually trying to accomplish.
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2185 [15:11:54] <dinux> replay attack? :-)
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2202 [15:18:31] <ByteStorm> guys do you kno what command is used
to deny outbound traffic???
2203 [15:18:38] <greycat> usually iptables
2204 [15:19:12] <Wulf> ByteStorm: iptables -t raw -I OUTPUT -j
DROP
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2209 [15:19:58] <greycat> let me guess... "how do I undo it
when I can't login any more"
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2213 [15:20:29] <jelly> console access ftw
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2220 [15:22:42] <Wulf> it should be possible to remove the rule
again on the running connection
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2222 [15:22:46] <ByteStorm> guys do you kno what command is used
to deny outbound traffic???
2223 [15:22:54] <ByteStorm> srry my net is crappy now
2224 [15:22:59] <Wulf> ByteStorm: iptables -t raw -I OUTPUT -j
DROP
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2226 [15:23:21] <greycat> ByteStorm: You *really* don't want
to do that.
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2228 [15:23:43] <dinux> And then there was silence...
2229 [15:24:07] <dinux> You can't just drop all outgoing
traffic
2230 [15:24:13] <ByteStorm> yeah its crappy
2231 [15:24:17] <Wulf> dinux: why not?
2232 [15:24:33] <jelly> well, you can. But then two-way protocols
stop working
2233 [15:24:34] <dinux> Unless he's using a floating outgoing
ip
2234 [15:24:40] <ByteStorm> Wulf i just wanna stop some *spooky
outbound traffic
2235 [15:24:53] <Wulf> add -m spooky
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2237 [15:24:57] <greycat> If you want to stop only SOME outbound
traffic, not ALL of it, then you need a more specific command.
2238 [15:24:58] <dinux> l0lz
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2240 [15:25:10] <ByteStorm> im on wireshark too and its showing
some addresses tht are taking bits n bytes from my system
2241 [15:25:15] <somiaj> ByteStorm: what is creating this outbound
traffic? Why not control that?
2242 [15:25:33] <ByteStorm> idk how to pls help me
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2244 [15:25:53] <ByteStorm> i hav blocked the inbound in apf but
dont kno how to use iptables
2245 [15:25:56] * greycat bets $0.01 on "it's one of his NTP
servers"
2246 [15:26:04] <somiaj> ByteStorm: identify what on your system
is creating said trafic.
2247 [15:26:10] <ByteStorm> ok
2248 [15:26:22] <somiaj> ByteStorm: i.e. you really shouldn't
have a service running creating trafic you don't want.
2249 [15:26:29] <jelly> ss -tupan
2250 [15:26:32] <ByteStorm> caliu.cat
2251 [15:26:34] <ByteStorm> this is one
2252 [15:26:40] <ByteStorm> source: Neelz
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2254 [15:26:44] <dinux> great
2255 [15:26:49] <ByteStorm> destination: caliu.cat
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2257 [15:26:59] <ByteStorm> all of this in wireshark
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2259 [15:27:04] <greycat> what *ports* are involved?
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2261 [15:27:11] <ByteStorm> amm
2262 [15:27:12] <Wulf>
replaced-url
2263 [15:27:14] <ByteStorm> wait
2264 [15:27:28] <ByteStorm> idk but i dont waqnt it
2265 [15:27:36] <somiaj> ByteStorm: so this isn't your
system, but something on your wireless network you want to control?
2266 [15:27:38] <dinux> Wulf, you don't want that one ^^
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2269 [15:27:56] <ByteStorm> yeah
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2271 [15:28:13] <greycat> *facepalm*
2272 [15:28:13] <somiaj> ByteStorm: is this just your machine or
other machines on your network you are trying to control?
2273 [15:28:33] <ByteStorm> no only one machine
2274 [15:28:56] <ByteStorm> source port: 43830
2275 [15:29:10] <ByteStorm> destination port: http
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2277 [15:29:11] <somiaj> ByteStorm: so what is requesting that
site, you shouldn't have stuff running on your machine that is
connecting to random sites.
2278 [15:29:23] <somiaj> ByteStorm: also are y ou running debian
or ubuntu?
2279 [15:29:23] <greycat> OH MY GOD SOME MACHINE ON MY NETWORK IS
SURFING THE WEB
2280 [15:29:23] <ByteStorm> yeah
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2282 [15:29:44] <ByteStorm> debian!!!!!
2283 [15:29:54] <ByteStorm> ok
2284 [15:30:02] <Wulf> ByteStorm: grep -r caliu /etc
2285 [15:30:03] <greycat> ByteStorm: what is running on the
machine that's actually generating the traffic?
2286 [15:30:06] <Wulf> ByteStorm: what does that show?
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2288 [15:30:38] <ByteStorm> wait
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2295 [15:32:45] <ByteStorm>
replaced-url
2296 [15:33:02] <TehRabbitt> for some reason using instaler disk
8.5.0, I can't install debian using netinst.
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2298 [15:33:29] <TehRabbitt> I can ping things such as 4.2.2.1,
google, and even internal servers no issue.
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2303 [15:34:56] <TehRabbitt> the warning logged in syslog is:
"Warning: Mirror does not support the specified release
(Jessie)
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2305 [15:35:08] <greycat> choose a different mirror, then
2306 [15:35:09] <woshty> I am having issues with nvidia-legacy and
4.5 kernel - both from backports. What is the latest kernel that
will work with nvidia-legacy?
2307 [15:35:20] <TehRabbitt> greycat, i've tried 5 so far.
2308 [15:35:21] <rgr> vlc, smplayer both refuse to play any dvd
properly auto advancing though the menu with no interaction from me.
Recommendations for a dvd player on Linux that actually works
properly? Nothing special about the DVD at all - standard BBC TV
series . works fine on every dvd player in the house and fine on
Windows.
2309 [15:35:29] <none_> apt source
2310 [15:35:29] <apt> To build Debian packages from source code:
first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then
"apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source
_pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The
resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`.
2311 [15:35:58] <TehRabbitt> it just hangs at 33% 'Scanning
the mirror'
2312 [15:36:18] <greycat> TehRabbitt: is the sources.list file
visible during the installer? If so, can you cat it? What's in
it? Does it really say Jessie in mixed case, instead of
"jessie" in lower-case?
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2314 [15:36:30] <none_> proxy ?
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2319 [15:37:17] <ByteStorm> guys??
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2321 [15:38:02] <greycat> ByteStorm: what OS is installed on the
machine that's actually generating the traffic, and why do you
want to stop it from reaching this web site?
2322 [15:38:13] <mtn> rgr: did you install libdvdcss?
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2324 [15:38:20] <ByteStorm> just debian guys
2325 [15:38:45] <ByteStorm> and i dont want any spooky websites
connecting to my computer
2326 [15:38:55] <TehRabbitt> deb cdrom: [Debian GNU/Linux 8.5.0
_Jessie_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20160604-15:31]/ jessie
main
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2328 [15:39:09] <greycat> TehRabbitt: ignoring the cdrom lines....
2329 [15:39:24] <TehRabbitt> there are none. it's failing at
the mirror selection screen
2330 [15:39:55] <greycat> Don't know what to tell you then.
Maybe do a bare-minimal install without any network mirrors, then
reboot, then configure the sources.list by hand.
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2332 [15:40:14] <somiaj> woshty: Since you are using legacy
drivers I would use the kernel and driver from jessie (not
jessie-backports).
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2339 [15:43:48] <themill> TehRabbitt: what are you using for dns?
Do you need to log on to the local wireless network first or
something like that?
2340 [15:44:07] <srg> I have debian installed in VirtualBox. I
have two network adapters: one is NAT in vbox (using dhcp in debian)
and the other is a host-only network in vbox (using static in
debian). However, neither one seem to be working, but my `ip addr
show` says the have the proper IPs and says UP,LOWER_UP. Any ideas?
2341 [15:44:16] <greycat> Ah, probably not a DNS issue, but it
*could* be a web proxy issue.
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2345 [15:44:33] <ByteStorm> guys any help???
2346 [15:45:04] <TehRabbitt> themill, it's a VM, bridged
mode, DHCP. it's getting a lease, all the internal stuff works
fine. I can even ping "google.com" with no issue.
2347 [15:45:10] <greycat> ByteStorm: If the machine GENERATING the
traffic is debian, log onto it and find what process is generating
it. Then when you learn that it is a web browser, find the human who
is using the web browser and ask her to stop.
2348 [15:45:28] <ByteStorm> ok
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2350 [15:45:49] <greycat> TehRabbitt: does your network use a
"transparent" web proxy that you need to authenticate to
get through?
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2353 [15:45:56] <buu> Mmm
2354 [15:45:57] <ByteStorm> how do i find out which process is
generating it???
2355 [15:45:59] <TehRabbitt> greycat, I beleive it does.
2356 [15:46:12] <TehRabbitt> though i'm being told it
shouldn't matter
2357 [15:46:39] <themill> TehRabbitt: the normal cause of that
error is being served a login form that is not a Release file
2358 [15:46:48] <cruncher> srg, i guess your vm is up
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2360 [15:46:55] <buu> Does anyone have a moderately clever
solution for monitoring network connectivity between two hosts?
Specifically recording time and duration of interruptions?
2361 [15:47:09] <cruncher> because they would be shown as up even
when no vm is running
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2363 [15:47:32] <cruncher> at least so for the host only adapter
2364 [15:47:34] <srg> cruncher: huh? Yeah, I boot up the debian
VM, and networking doesn't work. I run `ip addr show` in the VM
and it says the interfaces are up and they have the proper
addresses, but I have no traffic in or out on either iface
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2367 [15:47:53] <srg> I have other VMs that work fine with the
same setup
2368 [15:47:56] <cruncher> srg, do xyou have some firewall
restriction up?
2369 [15:47:59] <cruncher> aha
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2372 [15:48:11] <srg> I didn't configure a firewall, no
2373 [15:48:16] <srg> this is a freshly installed VVM
2374 [15:48:18] <srg> VM*
2375 [15:48:47] <srg> I'll try restarting virtualbox
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2379 [15:49:25] <cruncher> and pinging the host doesnt work
either?
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2381 [15:49:37] <rgr> mtn: I didnt no. Just did. I'll give it
a lash.
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2384 [15:50:30] <rgr> nope. just skips through still.
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2386 [15:50:43] <woshty> somiaj: hmm, guess that should work, but
would like to have a newer one (at least 4.1) to have other hardware
supported (fan) .. xserver-xorg-nvidia-340xx packages is really
annoying, produces kernel error trying to install on 4.5
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2397 [15:53:47] <rgr> sorry, disconnected there.
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2402 [15:54:53] <mtn> rgr: did you read the debian wiki on playing
dvds? you may be missing other packages, too
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2406 [15:57:04] <rgr> hi yeah. just trying.
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2409 [15:58:05] <rgr> vld now kind of works - its default was to
skip all startup menus. but smplayer still not playing ball and no
input codec equivalent that I can see.
2410 [15:58:08] <rgr> vlc
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2426 [16:01:42] <sharp15> what is the appropriate way to
permanently set kernel module options in debian?
2427 [16:02:19] <Wulf> sharp15: I think create file in
/etc/modprobe.d/
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2431 [16:02:53] <greycat> That's what I'm seeing too.
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2433 [16:03:16] <sharp15> Wulf: thanks. i can do that. i just
wasn't sure if debian had its own special method. gentoo likes
/etc/conf.d for a lot of things.
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2440 [16:06:26] <rgr> correction. vlc has now stopped at the dvd
menu but nothing actually works ie no clikc or button presses
selects any menu option , sheesh. it worked better 8 years ago :(
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2467 [16:17:47] <spleen> Hello, i use a wrapper who request amazon
service. I have a problem with amason certificat.. when i do ssldump
i can see => "value unknown_ca"
2468 [16:17:54] <somiaj> woshty: debian works best when using the
offical jessie packages as they have all been tested to work
together. Since the lgacy driver is non-free unsure if nvidia is
updating them to work on newer kernels. But using only the kernel
from jessie will ensure it works.
2469 [16:18:06] <spleen> how to get the valid ca certificat of the
amazon service ?
2470 [16:18:12] <somiaj> woshty: the other option is just update
your video card.
2471 [16:18:17] <spleen> the ip is 54.239.37.70
2472 [16:18:34] <spleen> on 443(port)
2473 [16:19:02] <somiaj> spleen: not sure if this will help, but
can curl better see the ca?
2474 [16:20:06] <spleen> somiaj, i think openssl is a good way..
but i dont know how to do that
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2476 [16:20:23] <spleen> witch format ? wich path ?
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2481 [16:20:54] <ChrisH> spleen: openssl s_connect --showcerts
(check spelling with man page)
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2486 [16:23:05] <spleen> ChrisH, how to export that in certicat
path on debian ?
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2488 [16:23:43] <spleen> i tried oopenssl s_client -showcerts
-connect 54.239.37.70:443 |openssl x509 -text
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2491 [16:24:12] <spleen> but there is some stuff that is not in a
good format
2492 [16:25:38] <greycat> Y'know, adding an SSL certificate
that is obtained by typing out a raw IP address and port number
using obscure commands... somehow doesn't strike me as the
wisest possible move.
2493 [16:26:04] <rgr> kmplayer even worse. ack.
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2497 [16:26:22] <Dan39> is the regular or graphical installer
preferred?
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2499 [16:26:49] <greycat> I've been using Debian since the
1990s and I have never, ever used a graphical installer.
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2501 [16:26:58] <greycat> I can't see any reason to start.
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2503 [16:27:33] <somiaj> greycat: for the most part it is no
different than the text based installer. You just have a mouse to
click on things, which I thought is nice (I just tested it to see
what it is like, prefer the text based myself)
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2505 [16:27:37] <somiaj> Dan39: ^^
2506 [16:27:39] <Dan39> if it had more features that woukd ve ab
advabtage
2507 [16:27:58] <somiaj> Dan39: the only difference is you can
'click' on things instead of use the arrow keys to move
though the ncurses menus
2508 [16:28:11] <Dan39> some other distros are developing their
guis more than tuis now
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2510 [16:28:22] <greycat> All the more reason not to use those
distributions.
2511 [16:28:29] <ChrisH> spleen: copy the parts between BEGIN
CERTIFICATE and END CERTIFICATE into file(s) and check their content
2512 [16:28:43] <Dan39> heh
2513 [16:28:48] <Dan39> thanks
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2516 [16:30:03] <Dan39> hmm what extra features does expert
install give...
2517 [16:30:05] <ChrisH> greycat: all that root certificate stuff
is based on <insert reasonable word here>. Sure you have to
validate the content and check if its correct.
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2520 [16:30:12] <Dan39> maybe i will have to just try it
2521 [16:30:40] <ChrisH> Dan39: I never did an installation
withoput using expert installation. D
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2523 [16:30:58] <spleen> ChrisH, i find that way to get the
certificat => openssl s_client -connect 54.239.37.70:443
2>&1 | sed -ne '/-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-/,/-END
CERTIFICATE-/p' >/etc/ssl/certs/
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2528 [16:31:08] <greycat> I would only use expert if there's
a special circumstance that requires it, like loading firmware in
the middle.
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2530 [16:31:32] <spleen> can i name that certificat as i want in
/etc/ssl/cert ?
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2533 [16:31:35] <greycat> or some other thing that I don't
have the imagination to imagine
2534 [16:32:00] <Dan39> does the nornal install allow custom
partitioning?
2535 [16:32:01] <greycat> spleen: you cannot redirect to a
directory name
2536 [16:32:09] <greycat> Dan39: yes
2537 [16:32:16] <Dan39> awesome
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2563 [16:52:50] <woshty> somiaj: It works .. I did not properly
blacklist nouveau
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2566 [16:53:25] <woshty> But the package fails to create a symlink
in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers which apparently is needed
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2569 [16:54:56] <gypsymauro> hi
2570 [16:55:04] <gypsymauro> I've a problem on a legacy
squeeze system
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2574 [16:55:25] <gypsymauro> if I try to update it says: W: Failed
to fetch
replaced-url
2575 [16:55:31] <gypsymauro> but if I wget it it works
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2578 [16:56:01] <gypsymauro> any hint?
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2587 [16:58:26] <TehRabbitt> where does the xorg file hide on
debian?
2588 [16:58:36] <TehRabbitt> trying to change the screen
resolution to something other than 800x600 heh
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2590 [16:58:59] <Iridos> you have to make it
2591 [16:59:13] <Iridos> since ... 7 years or so, per default
there is none
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2593 [16:59:24] <Iridos> Xorg -configure or so
2594 [16:59:50] <themill> TehRabbitt: that's normally a sign
you need to install a better video driver
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2597 [17:00:05] <Hello71> or really *a* video driver
2598 [17:00:07] <TehRabbitt> themill, Virtualbox.
2599 [17:00:09] <themill> (or get a monitor made this century)
2600 [17:00:20] <Hello71> then you need to install guest tools.
2601 [17:00:21] <greycat> There isn't an xorg.conf file by
default.
2602 [17:00:29] <greycat> But if you create one, it'll be in
/etc/X11/
2603 [17:00:30] <TehRabbitt> Hello71, I did install guest tools
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2605 [17:00:33] <towo`> vbox even does not need a xorg.conf
2606 [17:00:40] <TehRabbitt> still the only options are up to 1024
2607 [17:00:42] <TehRabbitt> which is a tiny window
2608 [17:00:51] <TehRabbitt> and only one monitor VBox supports 2
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2611 [17:02:05] <TehRabbitt> ahhhh reboot fixed it
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2613 [17:02:58] <TehRabbitt> Hmm seamless mode is nice :D
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2620 [17:04:57] <spleen> greycat, @all, i founded that concerning
my error. but i cant understand (my english is bad) how to solve the
problem
2621 [17:05:05] <spleen>
replaced-url
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2631 [17:09:02] <woshty> I do not have any symlinks from
/usr/lib/nvidia to the proper directories. How are those usually
created?
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2643 [17:12:51] <Ati_> hello
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2645 [17:13:01] <Ati_> do anyone knows xfs ?
2646 [17:13:09] <Ati_> i have a big problem
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2649 [17:13:50] <towo`> !anyone
2650 [17:13:51] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2660 [17:16:53] <Ati_> i installed opensuse leap a month ago . it
worked well. i wanted to try a new os named KaOS. in my opensuse
leap i had 2 partitions sda1 = / ,btrfs and sda2 = /home ,xfs . my
sda2 partition had 150 gb free space of 400 GB . i started KaOS live
installer and resized my sda2 partition from 400GB to 300GB after
the resizing it gaves me some error about resizing. after this the
installer was quit. after this i wanted to boot up my opens
2661 [17:17:05] <Ati_> it says cant read superblock
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2664 [17:17:52] <Ati_> what can i do to recover my data ?
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2667 [17:18:08] <towo`> Ati_, this is a debian channel
2668 [17:18:21] <Ati_> i know but its about xfs and recovery
2669 [17:18:23] <towo`> why should we help you with non debian
systems?
2670 [17:19:00] <towo`> ask in a suse channel
2671 [17:19:09] <greycat> !kaos
2672 [17:19:09] <dpkg> [kaos]
replaced-url
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2675 [17:19:59] <ksk> what is kaos :o
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2677 [17:20:09] <Iridos> the name of my machine :P
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2681 [17:21:27] <ksk> he seems to be a guy with a wide field of
knowledge :)
2682 [17:22:28] <ChrisH> Ati_: recover from backup
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2685 [17:22:57] <Ati_> i can recover only the sda1 i think
2686 [17:23:09] <Ati_> because it has btrfs
2687 [17:23:39] <cruncher> Ati_, you surely have a backup
2688 [17:24:07] <cruncher> of all your data :)
2689 [17:24:26] <Ati_> no :S
2690 [17:24:41] <Ati_> i thought it cant be happen
2691 [17:24:43] <cruncher> well, probably this will teach you to
have one :p
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2694 [17:24:54] <cruncher> yeah, everybody thinks that until it
happens
2695 [17:25:20] <Ati_> so i have no chance to recover ?
2696 [17:25:38] <cruncher> this is about debian, we cannot give
you advice on how to recover your data on another distro
2697 [17:25:58] <TomTomTosch> then why did you start giving him
shit?
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2699 [17:26:58] <cruncher> noboby gave him anything, less even
shit
2700 [17:27:22] <cruncher> they are telling him since the start to
go to a suse channel, or some general advice to recover from backup
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2703 [17:28:17] <Iridos> then just drop it here?
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2743 [17:40:41] <jelly> !flw0
2744 [17:40:42] <dpkg> <wasabi> Gnea, I want no security.
2745 [17:40:42] <buu> Does anyone have a moderately clever
solution for monitoring network connectivity between two hosts?
Specifically recording time and duration of interruptions?
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2747 [17:41:29] <GooseYArd> if the hosts have normally continuous
chatter, argus might help
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2750 [17:42:52] <buu> ohg o
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2752 [17:43:19] <buu> I need less cleve
2753 [17:43:22] <buu> Definitely less clever
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2755 [17:43:51] <Iridos> ping in a cron job?
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2758 [17:44:15] <buu> Well, yes
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2760 [17:44:28] <buu> Slightly more clever than that
2761 [17:44:35] <Iridos> you are hard to please
2762 [17:45:02] <buu> I'd like a report that was like
"connectivity between 5-6pm, down for 3:30seconds, 0% packet
loss during the rest"
2763 [17:45:18] <greycat> You'll have to cobble that together
based on your ping sampling.
2764 [17:45:24] <buu> =[
2765 [17:45:32] <Iridos> typically nagios or so would do that
2766 [17:45:37] <greycat> You could conceivably write an rrdtool
setup for it, and produce a graph.
2767 [17:45:48] <Iridos> from context, you want less clever (or
less huge)
2768 [17:45:49] <greycat> Your inputs are 0 and 1 so it'll be
a rather boring graph.
2769 [17:46:13] <Iridos> well, ping times or loss would have more
values
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2773 [17:46:35] <Iridos> and ganglia would do that for you... but
again seems too much
2774 [17:47:00] <buu> Yeah I don't really need a graph
exactly, just an exact count of when the connection dropped and came
back up preferably with the minimum amount of setup required
2775 [17:47:25] <greycat> Either use a prewritten tool that
monitors this stuff, or write your own. Those are the choices.
2776 [17:47:30] <Iridos> log the non-successful pings to a file
2777 [17:47:48] <buu> greycat: Well, yes, I'm trying to find
a prewritten tool that isn't freaking nagios
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2785 [17:49:41] <jelly> mtr isn't smart enough
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2799 [17:55:01] <Iridos> maybe "mon"?
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2802 [17:56:19] <Iridos> or ethstatus
2803 [17:56:27] <Iridos> but maybe you could also just use
apt-cache search?
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2806 [17:57:27] <jelly> easiest way to decide if it's an even
or odd day starting from, say, unix epoch (or some other fixed
reference point, don't care which)?
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2808 [17:57:58] <Iridos> that is even an odd question
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2818 [18:00:11] <Iridos> well, leap seconds... do you care about
them
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2822 [18:01:02] <jelly> I have a weird interaction of vpn and my
router, after it does the 24hr reconnect vpn dies and doesn't
want to be restarted unless I explicitely use a different listener
port. I'd like to work around it by alternating two ports.
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2825 [18:01:47] <greycat> So not rocket science precision... just
has to be close enough.
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2828 [18:02:24] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( $(date +%s)
/ 86400 ))
2829 [18:02:24] <greycat> 16966
2830 [18:02:30] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( $(date +%s
-d tomorrow) / 86400 ))
2831 [18:02:30] <greycat> 16967
2832 [18:02:35] <Iridos> something like calc "mod(int($(date
+%s)/3600/24),2)"
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2834 [18:02:39] <jelly> I considered something like $(( $(date
+%s) / 86400 mod 2 )) but I don't know how to mod
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2836 [18:02:46] <greycat> % 2
2837 [18:02:46] <dselect> It's TO, not '2'. This is
not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL.
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2840 [18:02:58] <Iridos> ho hoh
2841 [18:03:00] <jelly> dselect: be quiet
2842 [18:03:00] <dselect> Ah, shuddup.
2843 [18:03:00] <greycat> dselect: who are you and why are you
responding to %
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2845 [18:03:29] <jelly> she's a standbly dpkg bot clone that
doesn't have a horribly outdated factoid db
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2847 [18:03:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> no, it's definitely 2, and
not '2' nor TO.
2848 [18:03:37] <Iridos> there's a whole zoo of bots called
after package managing programs :)
2849 [18:03:39] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( ($(date +%s)
/ 86400) % 2 ))
2850 [18:03:39] <greycat> 0
2851 [18:03:44] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ echo $(( ($(date +%s
-d tomorrow) / 86400) % 2 ))
2852 [18:03:44] <greycat> 1
2853 [18:03:45] <jelly> greycat: bash?
2854 [18:03:58] <greycat> Well, that's straight posix sh.
2855 [18:04:07] <greycat> except for the +%s which is a GNU date
extension.
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2858 [18:04:38] <greycat> Since this is #debian I figured assuming
GNU date is safe.
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2862 [18:05:19] <jelly> oh, I had a typo.
2863 [18:05:36] <jelly> alright, that seems to work
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2866 [18:06:09] * jelly plugs the horrid thing into
/etc/default/obscure-vpn-name-withheld
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2873 [18:07:01] <greycat> I'd avoid running it right at
midnight. Otherwise it should be fine.
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2876 [18:07:29] <Iridos> ha. it's cursed.
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2883 [18:09:46] <Iridos> should be about 10ish leap seconds?
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2886 [18:10:08] <Iridos> summertime is a lot worse
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2889 [18:11:21] <jelly> noone cares about leap seconds except djb
:-|
2890 [18:11:35] <greycat> (Well, midnight UTC is the time to
avoid, not midnight local time.)
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2893 [18:13:31] <Iridos> I ran into something even worse lately...
seems gnuplot doesn't count epoch since 1970, but since... 2000
2894 [18:13:58] <Iridos> but... err... only internally, it reads
them as normal utc epoch from a file
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2916 [18:19:49] <Akuw> hi, i got a security update warning about
php5, i have 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8 all the recomend to get
5.6.22+dfsg-0+deb8u1, but when i use sudo apt-get install
--only-upgrade php5 i got php5 is already the newest version.
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2920 [18:22:08] <Aleksej_Rus> Akuw: What's your apt-cache
policy output?
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2952 [18:33:44] <jelly> dpkg, tell Akuw about basic apt
troubleshooting
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2958 [18:35:54] <de-facto> how can i FORCE apt/dpkg to replace a
deleted config file?
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2960 [18:37:03] <afernandez_> delete purge thein apt-get install
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2963 [18:38:01] <blind> Have you tried --force-confnew or does
that not work for deleted files?
2964 [18:38:34] <de-facto> hmm cant i just install it over again
forcing apt to replace deleted configs? i opted false for config
conflicts once and trying to fix that now, hence i went ahead and
deleted the config
2965 [18:38:58] <de-facto> yes i have a backup, but i want apt to
deploy the upstream version so i can diff
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2969 [18:39:28] <equillibrium> where can i edit the keyboard
shortcuts on a debian xfce based system?
2970 [18:39:49] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: reinstall the package with
apt-get --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss"
install package.
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2972 [18:40:08] <de-facto> yes i have tried "sudo apt-get -o
Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall
libapache2-mod-php" then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure
libapache2-mod-php5" then "dpkg -i --force-confmiss
/var/cache/apt/archives/libapache2-mod-php5_5.6.22+dfsg-0+deb8u1_amd64.deb"
2973 [18:40:25] <de-facto> i always get "Not replacing
deleted config file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini"
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2977 [18:41:26] <Aleksej_Rus> Well, you can always use dpkg -x to
extract the package somewhere...
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2980 [18:42:10] <de-facto> yeah sure, i also can purge and
reinstall, but i want to learn how to tell apt/dpkg to fix this
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2985 [18:44:28] <Aleksej_Rus> It's DPkg::options, not
DPkg::Options.
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3000 [18:52:28] <jmd> So installing debian I'm having trouble
with disk partitioning.
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3002 [18:52:45] <jmd> How do I set the boot partition to ext2 ?
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3005 [18:54:40] <greycat> arrow down to it, press enter, arrow
down again, press enter, arrow down again, press enter, etc.
3006 [18:55:20] <jmd> greycat: The sencond downarrow puts the
cursor on a blank line.
3007 [18:55:42] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus hmm lovercase options also
wont replace it
3008 [18:56:10] <greycat> I don't have an installer in front
of me to look at to see exactly how many times you press the arrow
in each step.
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3010 [18:56:32] <greycat> You want to select the
partition/format-type line, then select "change" or
whatever, then select "ext2".
3011 [18:56:35] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: After looking closely,
this package uses UCF to manage configuration files. Therefor dpkg
switch won't work, use `UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 apt-get
--reinstall install libapache2-mod-php5'.
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3013 [18:57:27] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus yay "sudo
UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 apt-get --reinstall install
libapache2-mod-php5" seems to does the job
3014 [18:57:36] <jmd> greycat: There is no such line. The
available options are "Use as", "Bootable flag"
"Erase data on this partition" "Delete this
partition" and "Done setting up the partition".
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3017 [18:58:28] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus thanks that worked, so how
did you find out that this package uses UCF?
3018 [18:58:35] <greycat> And "use as" didn't work?
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3021 [18:59:36] <jmd> The only options under "Use as"
are "swap area", "physical volume for
encryption" and "do not use the partition".
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3023 [18:59:57] <jmd> I want a plain ext2 volume.
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3025 [19:00:18] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Looked through its'
postinst script.
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3030 [19:01:26] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: It also depends on ucf.
3031 [19:01:33] <greycat> jmd: OK, then I'm guessing it has
something to do with encryption, which I have never used, so I
can't help much : (
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3034 [19:02:01] <jmd> Neither have I. So how do I NOT use
encyption?
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3036 [19:02:42] <TomTomTosch> jmd: in the installer, the first
thing before partition is the partition methode selection.
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3038 [19:02:57] <TomTomTosch> Guided - use entire disk is probably
what you want.
3039 [19:03:17] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus very interessting, i
learned quite something from this, thank you a lot :)
3040 [19:03:25] <jmd> TomTomTosch: I don't remember such an
option. I will try "Go Back" and try again.
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3043 [19:03:53] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: You're welcome :)
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3049 [19:04:57] <TomTomTosch> no need. guided partitioning is also
the first option in the partition manager.
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3057 [19:05:46] <jmd> TomTomTosch: Ok. You are right. (I thought
that was what I tried the first time).
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3072 [19:08:34] <TomTomTosch> if you then change the partitions to
add a boot partition you should be able to select ext2 under
'Use as:'
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3077 [19:09:51] <jmd> Actually, now I have "The attempt to
mount a file system with type ext4 in ..... at / failed". So I
think I need to change it to ext2
3078 [19:10:45] <jmd> ... but again, ext2 is not an option under
"Use as"
3079 [19:10:51] <TomTomTosch> in the error console while using the
partition manager?
3080 [19:11:02] <jmd> Yes.
3081 [19:11:04] <greycat> Nothing should be mounting yet.
3082 [19:11:14] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus do you know of any way this
can be automated on updates? i get the diff everytime because i
needed to raise "post_max_size = 32M" and
"upload_max_filesize = 32M". can i place a script
somewhere with some sed -i 's/old/new/" or such?
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3086 [19:11:38] <TomTomTosch> which release is that? how did you
put the image onto the installation medium?
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3089 [19:13:09] <jmd> dd and I think its debian 8
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3093 [19:13:37] <TomTomTosch> no idea what's going on. sry.
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3101 [19:16:27] <Anthro> I am installing on what used to be a
Windows laptop, and I want to move some stuff off before I install
over it. I've managed to get the ntfs partition mounted, and
now I want to mount an NFS share where I want to move the files.
There is no /sbin/mount.nfs, though. Any idea how to get this
working?
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3103 [19:17:20] <dTal> Sounds like you're doing this from
inside a running Linux system
3104 [19:17:22] <greycat> From the installer? Um... maybe it just
can't do that. Maybe try from a live system.
3105 [19:17:41] <dTal> can't you apt-get stuff in the
installer?
3106 [19:17:43] <bobe> Anthro, you might need to install
nfs-common
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3108 [19:17:52] <Anthro> Nope, no apt-get or even dpkg.
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3110 [19:18:06] <greycat> He also said "before I install over
it".
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3113 [19:18:14] <greycat> So he doesn't have a Debian system
yet.
3114 [19:18:17] <Anthro> Right
3115 [19:18:44] <Anthro> At worst, I can install on one partition
and leave the other alone, but I was hoping for fewer steps.
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3117 [19:19:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> sudo apt-get install nfs-common
3118 [19:19:18] <dTal> I would just use a LiveCD, or install NFS
in windows, or use some other solution than NFS
3119 [19:19:24] <greycat> Either boot a live system, or move the
data from within Windows.
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3121 [19:19:42] <Anthro> All right, thanks. It was worth checking
if I was just missing some easy way to do it.
3122 [19:20:09] <NoImNotNineVolt> ah, no apt-get, gotcha.
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3125 [19:21:49] <dTal> the installer must have tools to unpack
.debs, that's its function
3126 [19:22:14] <dTal> you must be able to fetch the nfs-common
package and get the files in it *somehow*
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3128 [19:24:56] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: You need ucf to always
keep the old file, right?
3129 [19:24:59] <dTal> Hah I love the NeuroDebian logo
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3131 [19:25:51] <Anthro> Workaround: tar cpf - ... | ssh dd
of=/dest/files.tar
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3138 [19:27:14] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus well that depends, id like
to get upstream changes for the config, but i always have to raise
those two upload limits manually
3139 [19:27:51] <de-facto> so i take the new upstream version and
modify it for those two values
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3143 [19:29:13] <NicoHood> I read that ubuntu does only support
some of the repositories (main) with security updates. Does this
also apply to debian? Or does debian get fixes on all software, but
it may be older than the ubuntu software (less features/more other
bugs)?
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3147 [19:30:14] <greycat> All packages in Debian stable are
supported by the security team and will receive updates when they
are available.
3148 [19:30:24] <greycat> Security updates, that is.
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3150 [19:30:59] <Aleksej_Rus> NicoHood: They both support
"only" main, but Debian has almost all software in main,
while Ubuntu has most of available software in universe, which is
not officially supported.
3151 [19:31:06] <greycat> Other (non-security) updates may happen
during a point release (e.g. Debian 8.5) at the discretion of the
release manager.
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3156 [19:32:10] <NicoHood> those security bugs of universe repo
made me think to use arch instead then. but i am not sure about
stability though. or maybe other, newer bugs
3157 [19:32:25] <jmd> I do think that the debian installer has got
a lot of things "backward"
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3165 [19:35:11] <NicoHood> backward?
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3169 [19:36:18] <jmd> NicoHood: Like for example adding users
should the last thing. So should choosing the locale.
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3172 [19:37:26] <TomTomTosch> how is that a problem?
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3183 [19:39:24] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Well, there is a
possibility to run a command after every dpkg invocation. It may be
a script, which checks if it needs to change the conffile. A more
clever solution is to create a tiny package (with equivs or smth)
and register a trigger. The former is simple, the latter - not so
much :)
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3186 [19:39:40] <jmd> TomTomTosch: It's not a big problem.
Just annoying.
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3189 [19:40:25] <jmd> Also, if you select "US English"
as the keyboard layout, you cannot select any time zone except US
ones!
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3192 [19:40:57] <jelly> jmd: that sounds completely silly
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3194 [19:41:03] <TomTomTosch> you can. it only shows the US ones
in the first tab for convenience.
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3208 [19:43:38] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus hmm that sounds
interessting, but running a command after every dpkg seems a bit of
an overkill, i guess i need to read into those triggers (which i
guess can target only changes to php5 or such), correct?
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3219 [19:46:55] <jmd> TomTomTosch: You mean "for
inconvenience"
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3223 [19:47:31] <TomTomTosch> yours maybe, not most users.
it's not that hard having to navigate the menu.
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3226 [19:48:09] <TomTomTosch> or exactly the work you'd have
to do if it weren't sorted. maybe one click more.
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3229 [19:48:15] <jmd> As for insisting on a non-root user being
added, that is just absurd.
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3231 [19:48:37] <jmd> I always have to add a dummy one and delete
it afterwards.
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3233 [19:49:20] <TomTomTosch> i think it's absurd to only
have a root user. but meh...
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3237 [19:50:03] <jmd> Perhaps. But adding users is not a job to be
done at install time.
3238 [19:50:10] <GooseYArd> precisely
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3241 [19:50:40] <TomTomTosch> the installer can't optimise
for every usecase. if it's bothering you so much you can read
into preseeding and have it done automatically.
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3245 [19:51:55] <jmd> Well right now I want to get it working (any
old how). I'm just getting fed up having to type in for the
umpteenth time lots of trivial information.
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3249 [19:52:53] <TomTomTosch> this might be interesting to you:
replaced-url
3250 [19:53:07] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Yeah, triggers can be
activated everytime a package modifies smth under a certain path.
See /usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev/triggers.txt.gz.
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3252 [19:53:25] <TomTomTosch> if you don't get the
partitioning tool in the installer to work i mean.
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3254 [19:55:15] <jmd> TomTomTosch: Well I'm not on amd64 but
I'll read it anyway, thanks.
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3256 [19:55:47] <TomTomTosch> you can switch to the arch of your
choice.
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3258 [19:56:17] <TomTomTosch> just change it in the url
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3264 [19:58:38] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus thas pretty clever :) so i
would need to config dpkg to always overwrite the config with the
upstream version and bake a package that triggers on php5 to modify
the updated configs to my needs?
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3267 [19:59:32] <TheQuestionmark> Got an issue that I can't
do any apt-get build-dep because apt tells me there are broken
packages that were hold back as well. What can I do to fix this?
[/jessie]
3268 [20:00:23] <de-facto> TheQuestionmark "sudo apt-get -f
install" maybe?
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3277 [20:02:28] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Huh... tried to fix my
source.list.d/ also and see that it wants to upgrade like 1860
packages now? What? I didn't set anything to make Debian think
I'd like to upgrade to testing
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3279 [20:04:03] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Right, you'll need to
modify /etc/ucf.conf and bake a package. I don't know how to
make an exclusion for ucf for this one package, though. Maybe
unregistering the conffile with ucfr will help... Need to
investigate this further.
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3282 [20:05:08] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Modifying global conffile
handling is too much to me. Maybe there is a way to do this for
libapache2-mod-php5 only...
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3284 [20:06:13] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Okay, obviously these
1860 packages came from the SteamOS repo, now I try to do apt-get -f
install again and it says nothing but 7 packages weren't
upgraded.
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3286 [20:06:57] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus thanks for those hints i
need to read further into those triggers
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3288 [20:07:23] <jmd> Any idea why mount -t ext2 /dev/sda5 /mnt
always insists "No such file or device" ?
3289 [20:07:37] <TheQuestionmark> Just to make things sure,
I'm no newb at Linux but apt went amok on me twice already.
3290 [20:07:54] <TheQuestionmark> And now I'm simply
confused.
3291 [20:07:57] <greycat> I would assume it's because
/dev/sda5 is not recognized by your kernel.
3292 [20:08:10] <greycat> Try "lsblk" or similar to see
what devices are known.
3293 [20:08:24] <jmd> greycat: mke2fs /dev/sda5 works fine.
3294 [20:08:41] <jmd> lsblk: not found
3295 [20:08:51] <greycat> ... you're still not in Debian, are
you.
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3298 [20:09:04] <jmd> In the installer.
3299 [20:09:32] <greycat> This is insane. Why are you doing this
manually?
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3301 [20:09:49] <linuxthefish> hi, what package provides the
phpenmod command for apache? i tried to apt-cache search it but
noluck
3302 [20:09:51] <jmd> because it doing it automatically fails.
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3309 [20:10:33] <de-facto> TheQuestionmark i guess you need to
investigate on those 7 packages further. im not too competent with
those but maybe you can "aptitude why-not <package>"
or such?
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3311 [20:10:47] <penrod> greetings: fresh install of Debian
Jessie, "invalid arch-independent ELF magic", what does
that mean ?
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3313 [20:11:31] <jelly> jmd: mount also returns that exit status
if it's missing kernel support for a filesystem type, IIRC
3314 [20:11:53] <jelly> jmd: so verify ext2 kernel module is
loaded
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3316 [20:12:42] <jmd> jelly: That's probably the reason. I
thought ext2 was in the kernel itself. Not as a module.
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3319 [20:13:18] <jelly> jmd: ext4.ko now (well, in jessie kernel)
manages all of ext{2,3,4}
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3324 [20:14:13] <jelly> jmd: which architecture is this if not
amd64?
3325 [20:14:20] <jmd> mips
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3328 [20:15:03] <jelly> jmd: are you sure your device is actually
supported by jessie debian-installer?
3329 [20:15:16] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Well, libegl1-mesa for
one says it depends on libc6 (>= 2.14) which is already a sign to
me things are really messed up
3330 [20:15:28] <jelly> !mips
3331 [20:15:28] <dpkg> MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
3332 [20:15:37] <jelly> bah.
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3334 [20:15:49] <jelly> ignore that
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3336 [20:16:14] <TomTomTosch> you tried the instructions in the
link i sent you from inside the debian installer?
3337 [20:16:26] <de-facto> TheQuestionmark well what have you done
directly prior to those problems occuring?
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3339 [20:16:51] <jmd> TomTomTosch: Yes. Did you read the
instructions that you sent me? and what I posted when I tried them?
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3342 [20:17:36] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Wish I still knew
that... :/ Yea, my mind is lossy when it comes to package mangement.
3343 [20:17:45] <TomTomTosch> yes, the very first sentence being
"This section explains how to install Debian GNU/Linux from an
existing Unix or Linux system,"
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3345 [20:17:56] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Can tell you tho that
my system uses Debian-Multimedia and SteamOS repos.
3346 [20:18:11] <TheQuestionmark> Or rather, it did use those.
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3348 [20:18:45] <jmd> TomTomTosch: Uh huh. And did you see further
down where it says to type "mke2fs -j /dev/sda6" ??
3349 [20:19:02] <TomTomTosch> i just asume you have a way to run a
functioning linux system an that machine. an old installation or a
live system.
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3351 [20:19:25] <jelly> jmd: which specific device is this?
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3353 [20:19:46] <jmd> Its a Lemote Yeeloong
3354 [20:19:49] <greycat> jmd: mke2fs doesn't require the
kernel's file system support. Mounting does.
3355 [20:19:54] <de-facto> TheQuestionmark hmm did you change
/etc/apt/sources.list and some of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ?
3356 [20:20:23] <jmd> greycat: Yes. I think your're right.
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3359 [20:20:38] <jmd> So now I need to find a ext2.ko for mips.
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3361 [20:20:55] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Only to match Jessie
as a release.
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3363 [20:21:04] <jelly> jmd: it's ext4.ko, the same module
you need to get ext4 running
3364 [20:21:11] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Oh, I also use
backports.
3365 [20:21:17] <jelly> jmd: would
replaced-url
3366 [20:21:27] <de-facto> TheQuestionmark maybe a look into
"cat /var/log/apt/history.log" can shed some light into
what you have done?
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3368 [20:21:59] <jmd> jelly: It has helped somewhat, but
doesn't explain how to get around this particular problem.
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3370 [20:22:50] <jmd> Where can I get a ext4.ko for mips?
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3373 [20:23:04] <jelly> it ought to be present in d-i
3374 [20:23:50] <jelly> jmd: stupid question, are you sure your
system is supposed to use "mips" arch and not
"mipsel"?
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3377 [20:24:46] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: After some reading, looks
like there is a way to make ucf always overwrite one specific
conffile. It's a hack though.
3378 [20:25:02] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Can I post a pastebin
to let you look over it? Possibly you find a package that could
curse the trouble.
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3380 [20:25:21] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: If you're interested,
I can explain.
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3383 [20:25:58] <jelly> jmd:
replaced-url
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3385 [20:26:30] <jmd> No. I have just checked. There is no ext4.ko
in the installer.
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3388 [20:27:38] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus yeah id like to learn more
about those, do you have a link?
3389 [20:27:40] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto:
replaced-url
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3392 [20:28:13] <TheQuestionmark> To be honest, I don't see
anything odd.
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3397 [20:29:14] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: I only read the manpages
carefully.
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3399 [20:30:24] <de-facto> TheQuestionmark me neither, if i was in
your place id try to investigate on those 7 pkgs more (and their
depencencies, origin and such=
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3401 [20:31:02] <jelly> jmd: you're using
debian-8.5.0-mipsel-netinst.iso right?
3402 [20:31:05] <TheQuestionmark> de-facto: Might take a while in
my case but thanks for your help so far.
3403 [20:31:29] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus so that would be telling
ucf to always overwrite any configs with the upstream version?
3404 [20:32:00] <jmd> jelly: No. According to that link you posted
earlier. that is not bootable.
3405 [20:32:22] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: There is such option, but
there seems to be a way to do that only to a specified one.
3406 [20:32:28] <jelly> jmd: which installer image are you using,
then?
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3408 [20:33:24] <jmd> jelly: I'm following the instructions
on
replaced-url
3409 [20:33:34] <jmd> under USB stick
3410 [20:34:11] <jmd> Note the sentance "The wheezy cdimage
media (CD, DVD) for mipsel are *not* bootable, and do not contain
d-i at all."
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3416 [20:35:07] <npo> How can I temporarily disable pulseaudio?
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3419 [20:35:39] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus you mean form "man
ucf" right?
3420 [20:36:07] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Yeah, mostly.
3421 [20:36:09] <greycat> jmd: might be worth investigating
whether that's still true in jessie.
3422 [20:36:16] * greycat knows nothin' about mips
3423 [20:36:39] <jmd> greycat: ok. Which intaller would you
recommend?
3424 [20:36:46] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Since upgrading to
LibreOffice 5.x from backports on Jessie, new documents don't
automatically have a language selected so spell-checking as I type
doesn't work until I manually select a language. Also, spell
checking in Calc documents does not work at all. How might I fix
these issues or are they LibO-specific?
3425 [20:36:52] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: UCF uses md5sums to
determine if a user has modified the conffile. One may fool UCF by
providing an md5sum of an already modified file, so that UCF
doesn't notice.
3426 [20:36:55] <mtn> npo: I think it is pulseaudio -k
3427 [20:36:58] <jelly> jmd: they don't say anything about
jessie d-i, tho.
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3429 [20:37:19] <mtn> npo: I hear using "man pulseaudio"
might be useful, too
3430 [20:37:25] <npo> mtn: thanks :PPP
3431 [20:37:32] <greycat> jmd: if someone handed me a box and said
"This is mips. Put Debian on it." I would have to start
from ground up, find the mips install guide, and read it.
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3433 [20:38:49] <jmd> greycat: Yep. Done that. In the guide it
says I can ask for help on #debian.
3434 [20:38:57] <jelly> jmd: given that you have an unusual device
and arch, you may get better support in #debian-mips on
irc.oftc.net; they probably have better clues on how to get kernel
.udeb (with all the drivers) accessible from within d-i
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3436 [20:39:15] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: In order to do that the
trigger should first modify the conffile and then create
$destination.md5sum.d/default with the new md5sum. $destination is a
real conffile template location, like
/usr/share/php5/php.ini-production.
3437 [20:39:20] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus yeah but that would mean
other upstream changes to config files arent applied then. id rather
have it overwrite without questions and then bake a package with sed
-i 's/old/new/g' /path/to/php.ini which triggers on php
changes
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3439 [20:39:22] <jmd> I had hoped the answers there would not have
been limited to RTFM
3440 [20:39:39] <jelly> welcome to non-x86 world, jmd
3441 [20:39:40] <npo> why does pulseaudio keep starting back up
after I kill it?
3442 [20:40:00] <greycat> npo: did you kill it with
"kill" or with "systemctl stop"?
3443 [20:40:06] <jmd> ok I'll try #debian-mips
3444 [20:40:06] <npo> greycat: pulsaudio --kill
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3446 [20:40:51] <greycat> If it's managed by systemd, then
systemd probably respawns it whenever it dies.
3447 [20:41:09] <npo> greycat: I've tried doing systemctl
stop pulsaudio, but it says it service wasnt loaded
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3449 [20:41:25] <greycat> pulsaudio is probably not the correct
spelling
3450 [20:41:29] <npo> I think i might have found a solution though
-- disabling autospawn in the ~/.config/pulse/client.conf file
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3452 [20:41:36] <npo> i added an e :P
3453 [20:41:43] <npo> it was a typo
3454 [20:42:00] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: You don't always need
upstream changes, right? If you force this, you'll have to
create triggers for all conffiles you modify (managed by UCF), like
GRUB ones and so on...
3455 [20:42:02] <greycat> 'k, if it's not a systemd
thing then I know nothing about it. I don't use pulseaudio or
any desktop environments.
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3457 [20:42:54] <greycat> Highly amusing if pulseaudio actually
ships with its own little respawning wrapper.
3458 [20:43:00] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus ah it would be a global
setting to always overwrite with upstream versions?
3459 [20:43:05] <npo> oh i see
3460 [20:43:26] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Yes, for UCF-managed
conffiles.
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3463 [20:43:45] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: See `apt-cache --important
--installed rdepends ucf'.
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3469 [20:45:05] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus uh yeah most of those are
modified ones i guess
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3472 [20:45:47] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: So you should try the
.../default trick.
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3474 [20:46:03] <somiaj> npo: greycat: I think pulseaudio might be
a user systemd thing over a system, but not positive. Also I think
if you aren't using pulseaudio you can just remove the
package(s).
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3479 [20:46:55] <greycat> He wanted to disable it
"temporarily" for some unspecified reason.
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3481 [20:47:05] <Cursarion> yo
3482 [20:48:16] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus i with there was a file
tree representing packages and i just could throw in a shell script
there which would be like postinst or such
3483 [20:48:25] <jelly> jmd: something else seems fishy tho.
linux-image-3.16.0-4-loongson-2f package in jessie d-i says ext2/3/4
support is, in fact, built in the kernel
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3485 [20:49:09] <Cursarion> what's the ideal way to run
scripts at system startup and shutdown?
3486 [20:49:36] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Running your script is not
that much of a problem. Making UCF shut up and overwrite this
particular file by default is another thing.
3487 [20:49:40] <NoImNotNineVolt> systemd.
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3489 [20:49:46] <jmd> jelly: is there a way to check if in fact a
kernel does support it?
3490 [20:50:33] <jmd> The kernel I have got is 4.5.0
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3493 [20:50:52] <jelly> jmd: why did you get the testing kernel
and not the jessie one?
3494 [20:51:08] <somiaj> Cursarion: kinda depends on the script.
But systemd is the default on jessie and you can use that to
configure startup/shutdown services/scripts/etc
3495 [20:51:09] <jmd> I thought it was the jessie one.
3496 [20:51:29] <jmd> Where is the url for the jessie installer?
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3498 [20:51:47] <greycat> !netinst
3499 [20:51:48] <dpkg> netinst is probably a small CD image with
which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process
you have a working Internet connection, you can install more
packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and
more packages later. See
replaced-url
3500 [20:51:51] <jelly> jmd: let me guess, you used the URL from
the wiki page blindly
replaced-url
3501 [20:52:00] <jmd> greycat: Please don't do that.
3502 [20:52:10] <jelly> jmd: replace /testing/ with /jessie/ there
3503 [20:52:10] <greycat> Then fucking read it yourself.
3504 [20:52:22] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus yeah i feel i need to read
into those further before modifying UCF. id like to have that fully
automated since for most packages i want upstream plus some minor
changes, but i would have to be very carefull because i run
autoupdate every night
3505 [20:52:22] <greycat> I'm getting pretty sick of this.
3506 [20:52:37] * jmd ignores greycat
3507 [20:52:45] <greycat> You asked where the motherfucking image
is, and I had the bot TELL YOU. And you complained.
3508 [20:52:53] <greycat> OK, I'll make it mutual then.
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3510 [20:53:04] <awwal> jmd, here you have all the images you want
replaced-url
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3513 [20:53:39] <greycat> Anyone who is NOT a fucking asshat can
feel free to ask their questions now.
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3516 [20:54:39] <jelly> greycat: as the HowToInstall page says,
the supposed asshat is required to do a tftp install not boot from
d-i directly... because that does not work on their weird system
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3519 [20:56:39] <TomTomTosch> it's also a release behind,
possibly not relevant. moving this to d-mips sounds like a good idea
:>
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3522 [20:57:16] <Cursarion> NoImNotNineVolt / somiaj: know any
simple tutorial? I'm looking at systemd website and I'm
kind of overwhelmed by the content
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3524 [20:57:35] <Cursarion> also, words like example and tutorial
aren't present on that page :(
3525 [20:57:37] <somiaj> Cursarion: what kinda of scripts are you
wanting to run? This would help point you in a better direction.
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3527 [20:58:08] <jelly> TomTomTosch: clearly written while jessie
was testing
3528 [20:58:10] <greycat> Cursarion: best systemd documentation
I've found so far is the arch Linux wiki.
3529 [20:58:23] <Cursarion> at startup, a script that logs some
stuff about the system state
3530 [20:58:27] <jelly> arch wiki++
3531 [20:58:43] <TomTomTosch> jelly: so was the installer. but i
have no idea.
3532 [20:58:48] <Cursarion> at shutdown, basically a similar
script but about other stuff
3533 [20:58:52] <jmcnaught> Cursarion: Lennart's blog series
is also a good introduction to systemd:
replaced-url
3534 [20:59:09] <greycat> If you just want to run a one-off (not
respawning) script at boot time in Jessie, you can simply launch it
from /etc/rc.local
3535 [20:59:28] <Cursarion> basically, I'm having a problem
with networking - for some reason right after boot, the internet
doesn't work. but if I disable and re-enable the connection via
NetworkManager, it works
3536 [20:59:29] <greycat> That doesn't scale, and I
wouldn't run a daemon that way, but it might be all you need.
3537 [20:59:34] <somiaj> Cursarion: the current logs are not
enough?
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3540 [21:00:20] <somiaj> Cursarion: note you might be able to use
/etc/rc.local for simple stuff, just add stuff to that script. As
for your actual problem, unsure the best way to debug why the
network isn't being brought up correctly.
3541 [21:00:25] <jmd> jelly: I think your're right. I got the
testing image inadvertently.
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3543 [21:01:08] <Cursarion> somiaj: well, the next step would be
to make a script that does the same thing automatically with nmcli
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3546 [21:01:30] <Cursarion> and actually, the stuff I want to see
might already be in syslog
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3548 [21:01:48] <jmcnaught> Cursarion: have you figured out why
your problem with NM is happening?
3549 [21:01:54] <Cursarion> no, not yet
3550 [21:02:16] <jmcnaught> Cursarion: "journalctl -b -u
NetworkManager" is one place to look.
3551 [21:02:20] <somiaj> Cursarion: check /etc/network/interfaces
(do you have any interface besides 'lo' mentioned in
there?
3552 [21:02:35] <somiaj> Cursarion: this is just making sure you
don't have some conflict. On top of that jmcnaught is pointing
you at some logs
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3554 [21:04:07] <Cursarion> there's eth0
3555 [21:04:22] <Cursarion> lemme reboot the system and see if it
happens again
3556 [21:04:29] <Cursarion> it hasn't even happened at every
boot
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3572 [21:07:22] <jmcnaught> Cursarion: "journalctl -b -u
networking" will show you the logs of the traditional
networking init script (which essentially starts interfaces in
/e/n/interfaces). If you're using NetworkManager you probably
only want 'lo' to be defined in that file
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3575 [21:07:57] <Cursarion> "No journal files were
found."
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3577 [21:08:10] <jhutchins> Cursarion: dmesg | less
3578 [21:08:11] <Cursarion> oh wait, found stuff as root
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3580 [21:09:11] <jmcnaught> Cursarion: as a side note if you want
a regular user to be able to read journals and logs, add them to the
"adm" group. For journald you also need to make the
jouranls persistent (details in systemd's README.Debian)
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3585 [21:10:41] <Cursarion> might be that I figured it out,
didn't even reboot yet
3586 [21:10:48] <Cursarion> but I've been reading syslog
3587 [21:11:12] <somiaj> Cursarion: is eth0 the device you are
having trouble with network manager with?
3588 [21:11:15] <Cursarion> networking fails some stuff 2 seconds
before NetworkManager has eth0
3589 [21:11:19] <Cursarion> ...up
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3592 [21:11:54] <somiaj> Cursarion: network manager and the
/etc/network/interfaces file will conflict with each other.
Don't mention your eth0 device at all in the interfaces file if
you want to use network manager to manage it.
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3595 [21:12:17] <DammitJim> ok, so I have a server with some samba
shares
3596 [21:12:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> NetworkManager is the worst.
3597 [21:12:25] <DammitJim> the server is joined to the domain
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3599 [21:12:41] <DammitJim> yes, NetworkManager is the worst...
connman is better ;)
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3601 [21:12:59] <DammitJim> how do I go about giving permissions
to shared folders on a per user basis?
3602 [21:13:12] <DammitJim> like I have started using setfacl to
give someone full permissions
3603 [21:13:12] <Cursarion> somiaj: it isn't mentioned in
interfaces. only 'auto lo' and 'iface lo inet
loopback'
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3605 [21:13:27] <DammitJim> but then someone else that has
permissions adds a folder and the other user can't manage that
folder
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3607 [21:13:34] <DammitJim> I need some way to like inherit
3608 [21:13:43] <DammitJim> permissions for all those users?
3609 [21:13:54] <NoImNotNineVolt> see also: groups
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3613 [21:15:04] <hexnewbie> DammitJim: defaultt ACLs, or groups
and default group ACLs
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3618 [21:16:51] <somiaj> Cursarion: okay I missunderstood you
then.
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3622 [21:17:43] <Cursarion> somiaj: might be I misunderstood
myself too
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3624 [21:18:01] <DammitJim> hexnewbie, so, it would have to be per
user
3625 [21:18:09] <DammitJim> I mean, per group, not per user?
3626 [21:18:37] <Cursarion> but seems to me I could solve this
either by delaying the logged networking thing until after eth0 is
activated, or reactivating stuff immediately afterwards
3627 [21:20:04] <hexnewbie> DammitJim: I suspect both would work.
You need to be more specific as to what exactly you want - it's
not completely clear. But inheritance---both of user and group
permissions---is accomplished by default ACLs (see man setfacl). You
may also need to setgid the directories to inherit the main group
(unless you add explicit group permissions with setfacl)
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3629 [21:21:44] <somiaj> DammitJim: also note due to the samba
domain, you may have to be careful how it is configured as
configuring your system such that multiple users can all edit files
in the same directory (and subdirectorys) maybe different when
dealing with the permisions that samba is uses.
3630 [21:22:08] <hexnewbie> DammitJim: If only Samba is involved,
you may be able to avoid ACLs altogether by setting directory and
file masks, combined with groups.
3631 [21:22:13] <somiaj> DammitJim: I don't have a solution,
just realize there is two layers. 1) the debian system permsisons,
and 2) how samba translates the windows domain permsiions of remote
users to the debian system.
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3645 [21:27:33] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: After some experiments I
finally managed to achieve this: UCF silently overwrites a specific
conffile with a new version, without the need to modify global
settings.
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3662 [21:32:12] <jmd> jelly: That installer seems to have got a
bit further. So thanks for the tip.
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3666 [21:34:08] <DammitJim> thanks
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3669 [21:34:28] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: Here is what you should do
in your trigger.
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3671 [21:34:49] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: 1) Modify
/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini the way you need.
3672 [21:35:16] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: 2) Run `ucf --purge
/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini'.
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3676 [21:36:10] <penrod> greetings: fresh install of Debian
Jessie, "invalid arch-independent ELF magic", what does
that mean ?
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3686 [21:38:12] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: 3) Run `md5sum
/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini >
/usr/share/php5/php.ini-production.md5sum.d/default'.
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3694 [21:40:41] <FinalX> ugh, speaking of apache, why does
/etc/apache2/envvars have APACHE_ARGUMENTS when it's not being
honored by the sysvinit-core scripts (i know systemd is the default,
but come on .. :P)
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3698 [21:41:24] <wsky> why do i have firefox-esr instead of
iceweasel on my debian 8 now?
3699 [21:41:24] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: On next upgrade UCF will
first look into its' database for a md5sum and won't find
it since we purged it, then it will find a default md5sum, and as it
matches the current conffile one UCF will decide that noone has
modified the conffile and will quietly overwrite it with a new
version.
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3702 [21:41:58] <TomTomTosch> wsky: it was updated to ff-esr with
the last point release.
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3704 [21:42:25] <wsky> TomTomTosch: thanks
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3709 [21:43:03] <Aleksej_Rus> de-facto: It's more like a
hack, since it relies on UCF internals, but it works.
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3718 [21:45:49] <DammitJim> hexnewbie, I like the idea of the
masks and users in samba config
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3730 [21:50:22] <TheQuestionmark> I really hate apt at times.
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3735 [21:52:06] <awwal> Why some apps are not listed as
alternative for X task?
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3737 [21:52:38] <greycat> That's pretty vague.
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3739 [21:52:49] <awwal> I'm almost reffering to
'terminology'; not listed as alternative for
x-terminal-emulator
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3745 [21:53:58] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ apt-cache showpkg
x-terminal-emulator | grep terminology
3746 [21:53:58] <greycat> terminology 0.7.0-1
3747 [21:54:24] <greycat> Not sure where --update-alternatives
gets its choices from....
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3749 [21:54:26] <somiaj> awwal: partly can just be the matainer
and the app. The matainer of said package has to do all the
configuration to be included as one of the alternatives for say an
x-terminal-emulator
3750 [21:55:14] <awwal> somiaj, ok, thats what I was guessing but
wasn't sure
3751 [21:55:25] <awwal> I want to make 'terminology' as
my default x-terminal-emulator but I'm lost with the
"--slave" side
3752 [21:55:43] <somiaj> awwal: man update-alternatives, you can
manually add your own to the list if needed
3753 [21:55:51] <greycat> If it needs an argument to act like
xterm, then write a wrapper script and use that as the direct
alternative.
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3759 [21:56:36] <hexnewbie> Don't packages add themselves
alternatives by what's not that different from an
update-alternative call?
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3762 [21:56:57] <awwal> somiaj, yes I'm in man and I want add
terminology as an alternative with --install argument but no idea
about what is the slave
3763 [21:57:29] <somiaj> awwal: I only ever tried to play with it
once years ago, cna't be of much help.
3764 [21:57:41] <awwal> greycat, no clue how that can be done.
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3766 [21:57:47] <somiaj> hexnewbie: this is done via the matainer
scripts with the package.
3767 [21:57:49] <awwal> somiaj, ok, np :)
3768 [21:58:09] <greycat> You seriously can't write a simple
wrapper script? :(
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3771 [21:58:55] <awwal> greycat, I'm a novice, yes I dont
know how :P
3772 [21:58:59] <greycat> printf '#!/bin/sh\nexec terminology
--slave "$@"\n' > /usr/local/bin/tslave; chmod 755
/usr/local/bin/tslave
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3774 [21:59:10] <hexnewbie> somiaj: So it is an actual
update-alternatives call?
3775 [21:59:13] <awwal> but trying to get it via
update-alternatives
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3777 [21:59:18] <greycat> Assuming that's the correct command
invocation. I'm only going by what YOU said in chat. I have
never used this thing before.
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3782 [22:00:36] <somiaj> hexnewbie: correct
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3787 [22:03:23] <Aleksej_Rus> awwal: `update-alternatives
--install /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator
/usr/bin/terminology <score> --slave
/usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz
x-terminal-emulator.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/terminology.1.gz'.
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3789 [22:03:53] <Aleksej_Rus> awwal: Set the score to your wish.
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3796 [22:06:30] <awwal> Aleksej_Rus, ok, I was comparing with
xterm and that command should work yes,. In /usr/share/man/man1 I
see terminology.1.gz
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3800 [22:07:17] <awwal> Aleksej_Rus but why twice --slave
/usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz
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3802 [22:07:48] <Aleksej_Rus> awwal: Why twice? Only once.
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3804 [22:08:11] <awwal> Aleksej_Rus, right, excuses ; got confused
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3806 [22:08:36] <awwal> let me try
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3810 [22:10:55] <de-facto> Aleksej_Rus thank you a lot i will try
that later :))
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3817 [22:14:47] <awwal> Aleksej_Rus, perfect. It worked just like
a charm. Thanks!!!
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3819 [22:15:03] <awwal> and excuse the delay, I have tried first
in my VM
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3822 [22:16:11] <Aleksej_Rus> awwal: NP, I always try on a live
system first. Can't be too safe :)
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3825 [22:17:41] <awwal> Aleksej_Rus, same here. If not sure about
X command or something I always try in VM first then apply in real
system :) Thanks again
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3828 [22:19:49] <awwal> I like 'terminology' bcoz it eye
candy, supports multitab and split stuff :) also customizable
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3830 [22:20:49] <awwal> i think only terminator & terminology
supports vertical/horizontal split
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3833 [22:22:56] <Aleksej_Rus> konsole does. But I've never
tried: when I need something alike, I use screen(1).
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3836 [22:23:06] <ebye> this isn't debian related, but maybe
someone knows.... I've made an image that boots with isolinux,
loads a kernel and a initrd with busybox, but some commands, like
fdisk, are missing from busybox.... any ideas?
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3889 [22:48:16] <TheQuestionmark> I give up on this apt shit.
3890 [22:48:35] <jmcnaught> TheQuestionmark: what is the problem
you are having?
3891 [22:48:41] <TomTomTosch> !tell TheQuestionmark about bat
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3893 [22:51:04] <TheQuestionmark> No... not more today, I'll
check things tomorrow when my mind is a little cleaned up.
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3905 [22:54:57] <mdim> hi folks
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3909 [22:56:33] <mdim> In Debian, the GoogleTest framework comes
only in an non-compiled version. I compiled it myself and now would
like to use its statically-generated libraries, however I don't
know how to set up my env. This is my attempt:
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3910 [22:57:22] <awwal> Ok, guys, I have another question for
today. Sometimes when I install pkgs I find some recommends really
not needed. How to install all the recommends except one of them?
"aptitude install pkgA -pkgB" ? "aptitude install
pkgA -r -pkgB" ? "aptitude install pkgA +R -pkgB" ?
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3916 [22:58:02] * greycat votes for "don't blindly install
recommends: at all"
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3927 [23:00:22] <awwal> greycat, sometimes what I do is just no
install the whole recommends (--without-recommends) and install the
manually recommends I find utile
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3937 [23:01:04] <awwal> install manually, -the :)
3938 [23:01:06] <greycat> Yes, that. Except I don't have to
type --without-recommends because I don't use aptitude.
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3968 [23:03:12] <jmcnaught> awwal: you may find -s/--simulate
useful when experimenting with package selection in aptitude
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3976 [23:03:59] <TomTomTosch> instead you type
--no-install-recommends in apt? :P
3977 [23:04:00] <awwal> me too I almost use apt, but I dont know
if it have the - & + options like aptitude
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3987 [23:04:22] <awwal> jmcnaught, useful yes
3988 [23:04:50] <greycat> TomTomTosch: oh... I'm confusing
recommends: and suggests:
3989 [23:05:19] <awwal> --no-install-recommends /
--install-suggests :P
3990 [23:05:21] <greycat> I just do whatever the default is in
apt-get.
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3992 [23:05:38] <jmcnaught> i find recommends useful most of the
time.. only a few times i've found it necessary to disable them
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4019 [23:09:28] <awwal> I have installed epiphany and evolution
for try them and I ended having gnome-settings stuff and nautilus,
thats why I said recommends is a problem sometimes
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4027 [23:10:27] <jmcnaught> awwal: simply removing the recommended
package(s) that you don't want afterwards is also an option.
also keep in mind that epiphany browser doesn't have security
support in jessie so it may not be worth using anyways
4028 [23:10:39] <greycat> For those specific situations, I guess
you would use apt-get --no-install-recommends foo bar, or the
aptitude equivalent.
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4037 [23:12:43] <awwal> jmcnaught, ok, I dont knew that. so seems
that only firefox/icweasel and chromium get security support, eh?
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4039 [23:13:20] <jmcnaught> awwal: that is correct
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4047 [23:13:37] <awwal> yeah, that's what I see in jessie
release notes
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4049 [23:13:47] <jmcnaught> awwal: there's a
debian-security-support package that has a check-support-status
command
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4052 [23:14:11] <awwal> jmcnaught, never heard about it
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4055 [23:14:26] <DeaDSouL> I'm trying to change my MTU in the
network-connection.... sometimes it shows the new value in
`ifconfig` ... sometimes it still uses the old value... even if i
restart the network
4056 [23:14:29] <DeaDSouL> why?
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4059 [23:15:12] <awwal> jmcnaught, installing it right now, so :P
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4069 [23:19:36] <awwal> jmcnaught, thanks for the trick. really
utile that debian-security-support pkg.
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4071 [23:20:05] <awwal> It have detected like 10 pkg no supported
anymore yet :D
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4082 [23:21:40] <awwal> probably very little people know about
that pkg and some others useful. I think that pkgs like needrestart,
apt-listbugs, debian-security-support and a few more should be
installed by default in debian or at least recommend them
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4106 [23:29:03] <xormor> awwal, how do I use
debian-security-support? thank you.
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4119 [23:32:46] <jhutchins> xormor: What is your actual question?
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4123 [23:34:17] <xormor> jhutchins, I found the command:
check-support-status.
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4130 [23:34:44] <xormor> jhutchins, I did an apt-listbugs to
firefox-esr. How do I upgrade? Or should I correct the error in the
source code?
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4136 [23:36:00] <TomTomTosch> which error are you talking about.
if you want to fix every ticket in the bugtracker yourself you are
going to have a bad time.
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4139 [23:36:46] <xormor> TomTomTosch, b1 - #825909 - firefox-esr:
crash when loading videos (Fixed: firefox-esr/45.2.0esr-1)
4140 [23:36:47] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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4145 [23:38:11] <TomTomTosch> 45.2.0esr-1 is what i have on my
machine right now. all you need is an update.
4146 [23:38:25] <TomTomTosch> ,v firefox-esr
4147 [23:38:26] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates:
45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid:
45.2.0esr-1; stretch: 45.2.0esr-1
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4157 [23:41:53] <xormor> TomTomTosch, $ firefox --version:
"Mozilla Firefox 45.2.0".
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4159 [23:42:00] <xormor> TomTomTosch, is this the right one?
4160 [23:42:36] <TomTomTosch> yes
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4166 [23:45:12] <jhutchins> xormor: You might want to subscribe to
the security-announce (?) mailing list?
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4170 [23:46:23] <jhutchins> xormor: You should have a security
line in your sources.list, that should allow you to install security
updates by just upgrading the package (or all packages).
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4175 [23:48:05] <awwal> xormor, "man debian-security-support
---» No manual entry for debian-security-support",
instead look at "man check-security-status"
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